Skeptical Help Bar - Open Mic Night

It's Open Mic Night! Any and all questions about paranormal topics will be taken. From ghosts to Bigfoot to PK to more....

Episode Transcript

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What's up, baball? It's Fridaynight? Who oh my goodness, what

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a long freaking week. Thank youfor all of those that are jumping right
on and are planning on spending yourFriday night with me. I love hanging
out with you guys. So makesure that you sign not sign oh,
I totally screw it out. Makesure you sound off and let me know
what you're drinking tonight. Where you'refrom. Anybody new? Hey j D,

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Nice to see you. So whata week? What a freaking week?
Holy crap. Okay, So forthose of you that don't know and
maybe joining us for the first time, let me go over the rules for
this podcast, for this video cast, for this show whatever this is the
Skeptical Help bar So. Rule numberone is that this show is open to

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paranormal related questions, and in return, I will offer my skeptical opinion.
It's only my opinion, it's nobodyelse's, so you know, ask me
questions. But that leads into numbertwo. Rule number two is that I
don't know everything, so you probablywill see some questions where I'm like,
I have a clue. I don'tknow, but I'll try and look it

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up. If it's more involved thanwhat this little show can handle in one
episode. Then I'll look it up. I'll write it down on my handy
no pad, which is running out. I'm running out of paper. I
gotta get onto that and maybe geta new one. But I'll look it
up and see if we can discussit a little bit more. Get in
the depth. Number three. Rulenumber three is this show is open to

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friendly discussion from everybody. So belike Patrick Shwayzy and be nice. Don't
be a dick, all right.You can debate, you can discuss,
you can disagree, that's fine,just don't get don't get angry and start,
you know, lobbing, insults andstuff. Let me do that anyway.
What else? Who else? Wegot? We got Jade, we

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got Loki, we got Diane,Dave Schumacher. What's up Joe Downey?
Oh my goodness, look at himcomplaining about what did you do to my
Leiah? No? Leia is mine, always has been. That's a long
story, folks. Basically, theshort version is Joe Downey sucks at Star
Wars trivia pursuit and I win allthe time unless he cheats. So there

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you go. Hey, Bob,good to see him. Oh man,
you guys are picking out stuff inmy background. Look at this doctor strange
necklace. Yep, she's wearing that. She's got a R two D two
Mickey hat. And what else doesshe have? She didn't, No,
there's nothing else. She's actually holdingup my Friday the thirteenth painting that I

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did not too long ago, Soshe's holding that up. So tonight is
open mic night. I'm taking questionsfrom all of you guys. It's it's
no guest, it's just you andme, and we're gonna talk about some
things. We do have some happyhour questions. That's the questions that I'm

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That's what I'm calling all the questionsthat came in early because when I posted
this earlier today, some a fewpeople actually posted questions. So I'm gonna
get to those first. And Ithink that's it for my opening. Um,
I don't see any drinks yet.Oh JD. JD has a question
already, what's that green book onyour desk? Oh? That she'll come

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up later. That might be thebook of the week, so we'll get
that at the end of the showanyway, So first question I want to
get to m I released a cracking. Oh, we're gonna have a good
show. So the first question Iwant to get to is out. You

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know, before I get to that, JD, thank you. I do
have that new fourth rule I keepforgetting is that if you do have a
question and you want to put itin the comments, please feel free,
but do me a favorite. Justwrite question or Q or if your name
is kat word you put QQ.And then that lets me get to the
questions much faster, much easier amidstall the conversation going back and forth.

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So, hey, aldre Aldre iscoming in from YouTube. Nice, good
to see you. Let me letme show everybody else that what oh we
got all athletic brewing, non alcohollike stout. What are we going to
do with you? Mmmmmm? Allright. So the first question, the

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first question we're gonna get to.Let me go over here because they came
in over my Facebook page, solet me read them to you. It's
from Carol Love, who I seeis in the in the chat room.
What's up, Carol? She asksyour opinion on pursingers and I hope I
don't mess this up. Braithwaits work. I don't know who that is.

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I'm familiar with Pursinger, but I'mnot familiar with the other guy. She
goes on to say, I heardsome of Pursinger's work could not be replicated,
but then it was later. Somy opinion on Pursinger's work is that
I'm not sure if I have anopinion yet. So I used to just

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brush it off. I kind ofbrushed it off because I had read a
bunch of stuff I had read.There were other studies done that could not
replicate his same results to get thesame results he did, or the highest
the high percentages that he did,because I believe that persing Or reported that
he had eighty percent eighty percent successrate. I think that's the way to

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say it. With his god helmet. So the god helmet is this.
It was like a motorcycle slash snowmobilehelmet. Different different outlets call it different
things. But it was fitted withcelenoids and it created a electromagnetic field where
a magnetic field, and the firstversion, I believe there was two versions.
The first version put it right aroundyour temporal lobes on either side,

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so it was like just above theear and I think a little bit forward.
So it was doing a complex patternof very weak signals going in and
it was supposed to induce these feelings, almost paranormal feelings. Some people wouldn't
say that they had religious experiences,you know, felt God or angels.

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Other people would just feel a presencein the room with them. Um.
And I believe there was more wherethey could elicit, like feelings of fear
and happiness and even sexual arousal ohum. But there was another that The
other team that comes to mind isa Swedish team and I have their um

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this over here. I have theirpaper. UM. I printed out the
paper from a Swedish team that triedto replicate it the the work of Persinger
and could not get the same results. And what's what's actually actually interesting here
is that they consulted per Singer UMin regard to let me read it right

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off the paper here, doctor Pursingerwas consulted with regard to the stimuli patterns
and solenoid array placements to make ourexperimental set up optimal for replication replication of
previous works on sensed presence, speriencesand related phenomenon. So I guess after
they did their experiments they didn't comeup with their same results and person had,

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I guess shot back, not reallyshot back, but responded saying that
they didn't do it enough. Theydidn't have the magnetic field going long enough
for the volunteers, and therefore theycouldn't get the same results as he did.
But according to the paper, accordingto the scientists on this paper,
if you want to look it up, well, anyway, according to the

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scientist that worked on this, theydid consult Persinger. So all in all,
I'm not really sure if the resultsthat Persinger had with these experiences,
these paranormal experiences caused by this helmetare legitimate. I don't know, because
there were a few other papers,but I didn't This was like a rabbit

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hole that I did not want togo down because I just started researching today
and I was like, oh shit, this is like week's worth or work
here. But basically, I thinkthere's a lot of variables here that are
not mentioned, and it's probably mentionedin the papers, but I'm trying to
summarize it so I don't get stuckon this for the whole show. But

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basically people's expectations the I think theone major difference that I found between Pursinger's
original work and then the Swedish paperthat replicated his work was that the Swedish
paper or the Swedish team was adouble blinded test and Pursingers was not.
So with that, you have expectationspeople that volunteer to do it, if

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they already know what they're going into, if they have an idea of what
to expect, if they're expecting areligious experience or an outer body experience or
ghostly experience or something, they're goingto look for it expect Actually, because
from what I read um for pursingor experiments, these people were they put

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they were put into a state ofum sensory deprevation, which means that they
had ping pongs over their eyes,ping pong halves over their eyes to cover
it. I'm not sure if therewas a red light on it or not,
but they had this helmet on.They were in this room by themselves

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with the lights out, um so, and they were in there for an
hour an hour that's a long time. I mean, honestly, if I'm
in a room by myself in thedark and it's quiet and there's nothing to
do, I'd fall asleep. Butapparently there was a they if they thought
the person fell asleep, they wouldcall him over the loudspeaker and wake them

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up. So, um, butI see, I see Dave's putting in
papers already. Um or or yeah, research papers, which is good because
this is more of a topic thatit deserves a lot more time and a
lot more people involved than just metelling you about it. So I guess
the bottom line is, I'm notsure if the results are valid because there's

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so many other variables involved that Ihaven't been able to come across yet.
I'm sure they're there. I'm surethere's another paper. So the paper that
I'm talking about is sensed presence andmystical experiences are predicted by suggestibility, not
by the application of transcranial weak complexmagnetic fields. So I can actually if

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I find it after the show,I'll put the link in the comments so
you guys can see it. Ialso found this very large paper, very
large. This is like eighty somepages that I was going to read,
but I decided not to because it'seighty some pages long. So it says
exceptional experiences following exposure to a shamgod helmet evidence for placebo individual differences UH

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in time of day influences. Sothis explored more of the I guess,
contentsual, contextual cues, environmental cues, um, placebo effects, and stuff
that would relate to this study aswell. Um, so there was a
lot involved. This is an overwhelmingtopic. So I have to I'm going

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to move on from it because it'sjust so much involved that I can I
can't actually say one way or anotherwhat I think of it. So let
me look at the comments here.Let me find a pair of glasses so
I can see and uh, let'ssay Dave's Dave's talking. Oh uh,

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yeah, I see that. Davesays there are methodological and statistical and the
analysis problems with that paper. Braithwaitam by saying that, right, Dave
Braithwait also critiques that paper you have. Okay, so I think I did
find it. So where where therewas a critique of that paper? So

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John Michael, what's up? Ohdang, there's a show tonight? What
a treat? Yes, yes,I wasn't going to do a show.
I was not scheduled to do ashow, but plans changed. Tune in
tomorrow and you'll find out why.So let's see. Um, looking at
the comments here and there's good.Oh oh, let's see Carlos. He

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says, Kenny, I've done theperiscope project and if I need to,
I can send it to you.I set it up and tested it.
Okay, cool, send it tome. I guess I'm not sure what
you're talking about. I'm sorry,I'm having a brain fart, so I'm
not exactly sure what you're talking about. But okay, I send it to

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me and we'll take a look.All right. Let me get on to
the next question, because this isa doozy two, because this came from
Dave Schumacher and he always likes tosend me questions that will fuck up my
night. So Dave's question is,do you think the lack of consistent replication

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of parapsycholo paraspsychological phenomenon such as ESPand PK is due to the following And
he gives me three choices. Hegave me a multiple choice question. Number
one, methods and equipment not developedto the point to be able to detect
the phenomenon. Ah. My kneejerk response to that option is that it's

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a cop out. I don't likethat because and it's probably because I'm jaded
from dealing with so many I guess, die hard enthusiasts that just believe no
matter what, that this thing istrue and no matter what you do or
say or demonstra it doesn't matter becauseit's still true to them. Um.

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And I hear this kind of thingoften where it's like, oh, well,
science just hasn't caught up with whatwe're doing yet. And most of
the time when I hear that phrase, that response, it's it's science is
not only caught up, but itblew past that fucking they went the plaid.
They went past light speed and justwent to plaid past their experiences or

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evidence that the ghost hunters were talkingabout. Um in my experience, So
I'm not I don't think that's that'san issue. The second option Dave gives
me is the phenomenon does not existand current positive findings are due to chance.
That's a possibility, um, AndI know that I'm pretty sure that
you you, Dave, are expectingme to go with that one. That

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just sounds like me. UM,So I don't. I would think,
you know, if this phenomenon waswas real and and something concrete, that
it would be more easily established.Maybe I just I just find that it's

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very fringe, and there's there's justnot I don't I don't see the positive
results being enough or more than chanceor or yeah, I just don't that.
This is probably what I'm leading toright now. The third option for

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this lack of consistent replication of parapsychologicalOh, I keep fucking that word up.
Parasychological phenomenon um is due to optionthree? Is it similar to the
replication crisis that is affecting mainstream softand hard sciences? And he gives me
other statistics, So and that's that'sa whole. That's a whole another topic

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that again is going to be intoit. Um get too far into it,
so I can't. I can't actuallyget into this now because I started
looking at he gave me an example. They've actually gave me an example.
Let me get this off the screenof there's a many Labs project for psychology,
and it went into replicating a wholeshit ton of experiments that came before

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them to see if they could getthe same results. And a lot of
them fail to get the same resultsas the original studies. So it called
in the question validity of past studies. It called in the validity of is
there fraud in it, can furtherstudies detect fraud in earlier studies, and

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a whole bunch of stuff. Um. So, basically, I guess my
opinion right now of why there's alack of consistent replication of things like ESP
and PK, which is psychoconnect psychokinesis, which is in movie terms, tell
kinesis. I think the lack ofum consistent replication is that it probably doesn't

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exist and the people that demonstrate thesethis phenomenon get it by chance, or
the protocols aren't good enough, aren'ttight enough to guard against fraud, because
I don't think many of these testsare looking for fraud. And and we've
had this discussion before where I think, um, I think the scientific groups

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that are doing these kind of test, these kind of experiments do need to
have some kind of magician on staffto look for deception, like deliberate deception,
or to guard against it, becauseit's there. We saw it with
what was that Project Project Alpha.I think I think it was called where

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James Randy actually sent into assistance thathe had and they were tested for all
kinds of psychic abilities and it waspure magic it was pure magic tricks,
not real magic, but magic tricks, and it fooled a bunch of scientists
for a while. So yeah,I think the lack of consistent replication is

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because there's not much there and andwhat positive results are there, it's not
enough to warrant any kind of funding, because you need funding in order to
keep these kind of tests going.And if there's just nothing to it,
if there's nothing, there's no benefitto it, then why bother? Why

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keep going with it? No one, no one wants to invest money into
something that just isn't going to goanywhere, or doesn't look promising or doesn't
look like it's going to go anywhere. That's what I should say. So
that's my opinion on that UM.And and one more question I think before
I move on to any comments orquestions in the comments, I don't see

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any yet. I see people haveand a good discussion, which is awesome.
I love that. I love that. See what you started, Dave
Hey, Ted Ted, Ted's inthe house. M all right. So
the last question is from Bob Lenzinsky. Lenzinsky, I still have trouble with

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your name, Bob M Show.His question is, here's one I haven't
heard from you. I'm sorry.Let me start over. Here's one I
haven't heard on your show yet,but falls within the realm of psychics.
What are your thoughts on Nostre Damas'spredictions predictions? I mean, I could

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make vague statements too and claim thatI predicted the future. So Nostra Damas
is always I mean, he wrotepoems. Um. Project Stargate, Dave,
Oh my goodness, that was thatwas the research grants? I know
there's no fun funding. Where's thefunding? Like Project Stargate was there?

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That was a government funded Um.I believe that was government funded and it
just didn't go anywhere. It didn'tget the results that it needed, so
they stopped it. They shut theproject down. So I don't. Maybe
there is funding from private universities andstuff that that do this. I could

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be wrong. I don't know.This is not my area, honestly,
so I don't know. But Idon't. I don't see. I don't
see a buttload of tests or experimentsbeing done on this where there's a lot
of funding involved. UM. Butagain I don't know. I don't,
I don't, I don't know.I'm sorry, Bob. Your question so

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Nostre Damas, I don't I don'thave Oh, my gosh, Nostre Damas.
I've been hearing about that since Iwas a little kid. I remember
hearing all these predictions, and youknow, anything to bad bad happened,
it was, oh, Nostre Damaspredicted this. What I found through a
quick search is that most of thetime his poems which he wrote, I

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think they were what were they called. They had some kind of name and
it was I think it was likepoems that were supposed to be four lines
or something like that. And hispoems are often mistranslated and sometimes especially with
there was a nine to eleven uh, Nostre Damas prediction that wasn't actually a

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nine to eleven prediction. It wasmade up by a college student and uh
in the early nineties where it wasjust general statements. And I think that's
the problem with um um, withwith with Nostre Damas's predictions or predictions,
is that they're so vague. They'revery vague, so you can pretty much

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interpret them. They're they're kind oflike Barnum statements, you know, your
your new paper horoscopes, because youcan apply them to a lot of different
things, and if someone's paying attentionand looking at it and say, oh,
you know what, this has justhappened. Yeah, this is probably
what he meant and just applied toa current event. I don't see any

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validity in that. I think inaddition to being misinterpreted or very generalized,
I think there's also a lot ofad ons. I think there's a lot
of ad ons where people add phrasesor words in order to change the meaning,
and it just goes on and on. So I don't have any faith,

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if you will, in Nostrodamus andany his predictions being right or on
par and if anything, they haven'thelped anyone, because none of these disasters
have been avoided, So what's theuse really is? So there you go.
That's that's I'm caught up with thequestion since I came in earlier.

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Uh, let's say, oh,wow, Tim Vickers, what's up?
Tim? Predict that I will diesometime in the future. Okay, so
hopefully it's way way in the future, because we have a show Saturday night,
so you can't check out yet.Hm ah uh oh. Dave follows

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up with parasychicag why do I haveso much trouble with that word. Parisychlade
paras Psychological Association has grants, Societyfor Psychical Research has funding. There is
private funding. Okay, so thereis private funding. That's good. That's
good. I guess we're I don'tI don't really don't know where I was

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going with that. So maybe wecan talk more um after the show and
uh discuss this a little bit more. But I'm not I'm not. Oh
wait, quat trains. Quatrains.Thank you guys, everybody's hitting me.
That's the word I was looking for. Quat trains. Yeah, quote,
I think I'm saying that right,quat trains, because I did look it

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up and I was like, whatthe hell does this word mean? So
I, uh yeah, I lookedit up and I was like, oh,
they're poems, okay, cool.Uh man, I'm telling you,
this is a This has been arough night. I spent quite quite a
bit of time like trying to readthis stuff in research, and I think
I'm much better if I just wingit all. Right. So let's see.

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Bob has a question if the governmentwere to fund a research project in
the paranormal something new and you wereon the team to decide what the research
study was to look for. Whatwould you want to study want what would
you want to see a study lookat into. Wow, that's that's hard.

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That's hard to, uh, todecide. If I was ahead of
a study looking at something paranormal,Well, would I look for? Um?
I don't know, because I don'treally Oh man, I don't know,
dude, Because that's that's hard becauseI do look into a lot of
the stuff already. Well, thestuff that I'm interested in would be like

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psychics, psychic phenomenon, mediumship.But I look in that I'm already.
But it would be nice to bepaid to do that. That would actually
be fun, that would be reallyreally cool. So I probably would glean
towards that m because I don't knowwhy. I just think that would be

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something to really look into. Getthe top people, like the top the
top psychics or endoor mediums in theworld and just bring them together, had
you know, had the funding tobring them all together and test them under
good test conditions and see what's goingon and see if there's anything to it.

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I think that's where I would go, unless I, you know,
come up with something else different,Because I don't again, I don't really
don't. For me personally, Idon't buy into the esp or the pk
um stuff. I just I don't. I don't. Well, I don't
buy into ghosts and UFOs and bigfooteither, So I mean, what's that

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tell you? H But psychics,I guess for me that I think they
calls the most harm. Um.I think they calls the most harm with
h financially and emotionally for people.So I think I would definitely do a
study or have a study um lookingat that, looking at that phenomenon,
because um, I'd want to know. And I'd also have somebody else with

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me, because obviously I probably havea bias, so I would want somebody
else, you know, with methat kind of balances you know, my
my my attitude so that it's notuh one side it. Question from Aaron
question what can we do to improveour investigative techniques when it comes to steakouts?

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I like that? And how canwe improve our investigative techniques at an
outside location? Also, energy issomething sometimes pronounced cheers. Drink up all
right, I hope everyone's drinking.So what can we do to improve our
investigative techniques when it comes to steakouts. Ah, there's there's a lot.

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There is a lot. I cangive you one or two just a start,
but I would definitely one of thebest things to do is to first
understand how to perform experiments. Andwhen you're doing all these things, when
you're testing for EBP, or you'reyou're setting up an area to take video

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all night, I mean, theseare these are experiments. I would I
consider them experiments because you're looking forsomething, you're setting up almost a trap
to try to catch something. Soyou have to understand the scientific method.
Part of the scientific method, alot of the scientific method, and especially
when it comes to controls, youneed to understand what kind of controls are

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need to be in place to guardagainst the known variables. It's kind of
hard to guard against unknown variables.But the known variables like sound, that's
a big thing. Especially with videoand EVP, you have sound contamination which
can come from down the hall,upstairs, downstairs, outside of a window.
There's a big problem. So indoorinvestigations, outdoor investigations, but indoor

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investigations are really hard because you can'tsoundproof the room. Obviously, because most
people do investigations in like private homesand historic places and stuff like that,
and I doubt they will let youput up soundproofing material in a room,
so that would that complicates things.I would learn proper controls. I would

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learn about the equipment. Actually goto manufacturer websites and look at the specs,
not ghost hunting marketing sites or resellers. Go to the actual manufacturer and
look at specs. Learn how tooperate the camera, learn what the camera
can do. Read the camera manual. That's a big thing. I hardly

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ever hear anyone read the manual.And I've read all the manuals to my
all the cameras that I have,plus all the other photography books that I
have. I've gone through just tounderstand how light works and different flaws in
the cameras systems. Different things cancome up due to lighting, shadows,

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reflections, all this kind of stuff. The more you broaden your knowledge,
the more you'll be able to notonly detect um like anomaly. And when
I say anomaly in this case,I mean something that's abnormal. When you
see something abnormal, you will bebetter equipped to recognize it and then identify

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it. So I definitely think scientificmethod. Um uh knowledge. Increase your
knowledge, increase your understanding. Isthings that you can do. UM steakouts,
they're they're okay, And that's basicallyjust waiting around for something to happen.

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I would actually gather all the claimssomething. This is how I do
this, UM. I collect theclaims, like what do they actually say
is happening? Do they hear footsteps? Do they see an apparition? Do
they see lights happen? Do theyhave electrical problems? This and that?
Whatever happens, Get details of thoseof how often they occur, and then

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specifically test for that, look forthat, look for reasons that might cause
those events. Rather than sitting orstanding around for four or five hours in
the dark. It doesn't have tobe in a dark either. I don't
know why people still do that,UM, but standing around wasting time.
So let's see what else we got. Investigation takes techniques outside an outside location.

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That's I mean, it really comesdown to what the claims are.
What is supposed to happen is whathas been seen? What has been heard?
You know, it really depends onthe claim. You have to start
with the claim and then work yourway from that. Design your investigation around
the claims and see if somebody say, I don't know. Let's see a

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scenario of like a cemetery where alady in white starts walking across a specific,
specific field. Then find out whattime, what field you know,
what part of the cemetery, um, what direction does this person walk,
what time of night or day doesthis person walk? And then be there

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at that time, set up equipmentlike video or pictures, or just be
there to see if there's actually somethingthat happens. Instead of setting all this
stuff up, you know, takinga couple of hours and just waiting,
or taking a couple of hours settingstuff up and nothing happens, just go
there a few nights and just sitand wait. Do your stakeout and see

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if something actually happens. Because ifnothing happens, there's no reason to set
up a whole bunch of equipment.So good question, though, Oh oh
boy, there is a lot ofconversation going on. I love this.
Uh let's say I'm trying to gothrough the comments here, m no,

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Carl Elose is back. Let's say, uh, let me see what do
you say? What do you say? I'm trying to go through and see
and follow some of these conversations,but it's kind of hard. Carlos says,
here in Brazil. You're in Brazil, that's awesome. There is not
much investment in documentaries or paranormal investigations. The expenses are financed by ourselves and

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the sponsorship is almost zero. Ithink that's pretty much across the board for
paranormal groups that they everybody funds them, funds their own stuff. So I
mean I I fund everything on myown. Uh, let's see. Okay,

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thank you, I stumped the biddler. It's not that hard. It
happens quite often because I don't knoweverything. Look, I need more to
drink. Oh my j d ohwait question, Oh boy, Dave Schumacher,
If you say you don't believe inghosts and UFOs, isn't that bringing

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a bias into your open minded skepticismDick, No, No, it doesn't,
um because I don't. I don'tbelieve them. I just don't believe
because based on the evidence, andif there's more evidence or a more data
that's brought to light for review,I'll certainly review it, and if it
is something that turns out to bevalid, I'll change my worldview. I'll

(35:28):
change my point of view and say, oh, well, maybe yeah,
there is something to this, butright now, no, I don't.
I don't believe it, just likeI don't believe in unicorns or fairies or
Godzilla, even though that would beso cool. Um, but yeah,
I mean, I don't think it'sI don't think it goes against an open

(35:49):
minded skepticism. I'm willing to listenand look at new information, and I'm
willing to change my mind. Ithink that's what That's what being open minded
is about. Um, I'm notclosed off to it. I'll definitely read
up on it because if I Imean, for a good example, if
I wanted to when when that thequestion came up about pursing or I could

(36:15):
have just went with, you knowwhat I had thought before or prior to
this week and just been like,you know, the people have replicated it
and having come up with the samething, therefore it's probably not it's not
real. But I didn't take thetime to look into it a little bit.

(36:35):
Obviously there's a lot more, butI looked into it a little bit
and I'm not sure now, SoI changed my mind, and I think
that's I think that's progress. That'swhat my therapist says, oh all right,
so oh, Loki's out, seeyou later, get some sleep,

(36:57):
helpe you feel better. So Timhas quote, not believing I think doesn't
mean incapable of believing. I getthe idea of biases though, absolutely.
I mean, We've talked about biasesplenty of times, and I'm aware of
mine. You know, I'm aware. I'm aware of my own biases.

(37:19):
I definitely lean towards a skeptical approachor a doubting approach. I do need
evidence. I don't just believe justbecause somebody tells me to or tells me
I should, which I get alot. That's that's like a pet peeve.
Does anyone else have that pet peeve? Where it's like you talk about

(37:39):
something and you don't agree, andsomeone tells you, oh, you should
do this, and they proceed totell you what they what you should do
because that's what they do. Ihate that, I really do. It
annoys the fuck out of me.M But uh yeah, all right,
so let's oh my gosh, they'regoing at it. Let's say Dave says,

(38:02):
isn't saying you don't believe in suchthings just as bad as saying you
believe in them, especially if you'retrying to be neutral and approach it from
a scientific standpoint. I think youguys are going back and forth, but
I don't just as bad. Idon't think so. I mean, everybody
does have an opinion. You're alwaysgoing to have a bias. You're always

(38:27):
going to have a bias. Ithink the important thing is to acknowledge those
and be aware of it so youcan try to plan for it. I
mean, I really would love todo an experiment and find out, like
what I thought would happen, whatI predict it would happen, didn't happen,
and be like, Wow, that'sinteresting. M let's look into this

(38:51):
more. And that gets me curious. That really gets me really curious.
But I don't think you know,saying that I don't believe in something is
just as ad is saying you believein in something. I don't think it's
bad if you believe in something,I think it's bad. If you're not
willing to consider new information, Ithink it's bad. If you're not willing
to listen to different opinions, Ithink it's bad if you're not willing to

(39:15):
look at did I say that alreadylook at new evidence and consider it and
then possibly change your mind. Sothat's what I think is bad. All
right, So let's keep going here. I got a question, what are
where are we where? Only aforty minutes? Holy crap, it feels
like I've been going all night already. Oh no, oh nah. All

(39:40):
right. Bob's question is when dowe get to see a Mystery Science Theater
three thousand version of ghost Hunting showsfrom Kenny, Dave and Tim m m
oh. That would be so muchfun, so much fun. The problem
is is the problem is that Ithink copyright. I think watching the entire

(40:07):
show would be beyond fair use.And then whatever platform we would go on,
such as like YouTube, I thinkthat would be an issue. So
we could always do maybe we couldwe Tim and Dave, we got to
get together and think about this,because we might be able to do like
a charity event where we do likea zoom a special Zoom call kind of

(40:30):
thing where we invite a bunch ofpeople, and because I've seen that done
with other groups where they watch anepisode and we just got to figure out
how only the three of us couldtalk watching the episode and then and then
everyone else would have to be mutedduring the entire show. That would be

(40:52):
interesting. If anyone has any ideason that, UM, let me know,
because that would be really cool todo. UM, I would love
to do that. There us tobe a show. It was called Paranormal
Skeptic Academy. I think that's whatit called. What it was called,
and it was it was a podcast, but you could also see a video
version. And it was a guyhe was a friend of mine that he

(41:14):
would do exactly that. He wouldwatch the ghost hunting shows and comment either
he would stop them, he'd playlike a clip of it and then he
would talk about it and then playanother clip and then talk about it.
Or there were at least two twotimes where I went down because he was
in North Carolina and I went downthere for training and actually hooked up with

(41:36):
him and we did a live nota live feed, but we did a
video feed where we did that.We actually watched the show and we had
cameras on us and we did acommentary, which was Oh, that was
fun, especially when we're drinking andcommenting everything. Just there's there's no rules,
which is awesome, all right,so let's keep going. Uh oh

(42:04):
my buddy Josh says he's at Areafifty one right now in Nevada. Oh
my gosh, he actually did sendme a picture. I want to see
if I can share this with youguys. So my buddy Josh, he's
he goes by the named Ticker andhe's been on let me see here there

(42:25):
we go that should come up therehe is, Well, that's not him,
but he's at the little Alien.He just sent me this picture.
So it's nighttime there. He's actuallygoing to Area fifty one. The gate,
the one gate for Area fifty oneis about maybe a ten minute drive
from this. I was there ayear and a half ago. I think

(42:47):
the last time I was in Vegaswas in October of twenty eight teen,
I think, or twenty nineteen,twenty nineteen, that's when it was,
so just over a year ago.I was there and my wife and I
drove out to the gate and shewas much brighter, braver than I was.
Because we got there, we pulledover and I was like, oh

(43:09):
shit, I want to go nearthe gate, and but I was scared
that I was gonna get shot.But she walked right up. She walked
right up and was like reading stuffand brushing off the sign. I was
like, oh my god, you'regonna get us killed. But it was
all cool. So good luck,Josh, good luck. Don't don't cross

(43:30):
the gate. Do not cross thatline, because if you wind up dead,
well, if you wind up dead, come over and haunt come visit
me, um, because you knowthat would be cool. So all right,
let's say, let's see what elsewe go. Oh, I love
the conversation. Good conversation, guys, you're going back and forth. That's

(43:51):
good and it's nice. That's thenice thing about this show watching the people
in the chat room have a discussion. Even though they disagree, they're still
having a good discussion, and it'sjust it's oh man, I love it.
So Audra our YouTube correspondent, becauseI think you're the only one that
watches via YouTube, which is great. I'm glad. I'm glad you do.

(44:13):
So her question is this might mightbe silly, this might seem silly,
but it is a is that haunteddoll? Oh? Is that a
haunted doll behind you in front ofthe carbonite haun And if so, have
you actually investigated it? So thankyou for asking. I actually I posted
this on my Instagram under my mysterymuseum, I posted a picture of her.

(44:37):
This is Blinky, and Blinky's thingis that apparently like she's one of
these dolls, so it is ahaunted doll. It's supposed to be a
haunted dot. So one of thesethings. So if you watch like her,
when she goes down, her eyesclosed, so you can see her
eyes are closed now, and thenwhen she comes up she opens them up.

(45:00):
So the person that gave this tome said that she has a habit
of blinking. I can't do it, so both eyes will blink if you're
looking at her and she's standing up. So I actually brought this up and
put it in the background here,so if you see her blink, let
me know, because then we'll haveit on video and we can actually go

(45:22):
back and look. It's not riggedup. Don't worry, it's not.
There's nothing. There's no springs oranything around her. She's just a normal
dog. Let me see the eyesblink up and down. But there we
go, so you see, likeeven when I banged the head, I

(45:43):
guess you're own springs. I've neveractually taken one of these things apart to
see what's in it. Maybe I'llbuy one from the good will store and
open it up just to see whatit looks like inside. But yeah,
if it blinks, let me know, because that would be freaky and fun
too. And I'm home alone tonight, I have the house to myself,
so it would be awesome to havea hunted dollar running around like Chucky.

(46:07):
We could have a fight. Ohmy goodness. All right, So let
me see here going down some ofthe comments here and up. Carol's got
a question. There is a differencebetween open minded and bias, isn't Oh,

(46:29):
I guess you're asking you if there'sa difference between. So they're open
minded and close mind it they're usuallythe ones that got against each other.
M Closed minded is usually means thatyou have this idea, you have this
belief or whatever your thought process,and that's it. You're closed off to

(46:49):
any new information. You don't wantto hear it. You're not willing to
entertain or consider new information. You'renot willing to change your mind. It's
a common thing in the ghost huntingcommunity. Is I know what I saw
and no matter what you say,it's not going to change my mind.
That's completely closed minded, and thattranslates to mean not usually bothering to talk

(47:16):
to the person anymore, because youknow why bother. I want to have
a conversation and then maybe make someprogress, And with someone that's closed minded,
you're not going to make progress.Open mind it means that you're willing
to consider new information, that you'lllisten to something, you'll take a look
at something and actually consider it umand if it turns out to be valid,

(47:37):
if it seems valid to you oryou can verify certain things, then
you accept it and you accept itinto your your knowledge base. You accept
it and change your opinion. Ithink that's that's my definition of the two.
Biases are a different thing. Biasesare when you go in UM,

(48:00):
it's almost like a filter where youyou like, you could say that I'm
I'm a very skeptical person, andit could be said it could be argued
that I am biased against ghosts.So I have this, I have this.
Let me let me get you agood definition so that I'm not just

(48:22):
talking out of my ass here,because let's see bias definition. Bias is
a disproportionate weight in favor of oragainst an idea or thing, usually in
a way that is closed minded prejudicelike or unfair. Biases can be innate

(48:42):
or learned. People may develop biasesfor or against an individual, a group,
or a belief. In science andengineering, a bias is a systematic
error. So like biases biases,a good bias is something that I experience
a lot. The last couple ofweeks, I've been on several podcasts,

(49:04):
and the biggest compliment that I've gottenafter the podcast is that I was nothing
like what they thought. They hadheard rumors and heard from other people that
I was an asshole. I wasa total asshole, and don't talk to
me. And that kind of informationcan create a bias. If you hear
enough from your friends and family thatsomeone is bad news, they're just bad

(49:30):
person, don't go around them,you'll create a bias where you avoid that
person, where anything that comes fromthat person, you might have this,
yeah, deep seated idea in yourhead from these biases that anything that person
says is wrong. And if youstart preaching that, if you start telling,

(49:52):
oh, well it's from that person, now I heard he was bad,
stay away from him, you're you'repracticing a bias. So I don't
know if that was confusing any moreconfusing or if that actually cleared it up?
So I hope so, I hopeit cleared it up. Let me
keep going here and see. I'msure in the comments people will will tell

(50:14):
me if I'm wrong or not.So let's seem going through, going through
ask every John Michael. Everyone everyonehas bias. That's why it's important to
use tools such as science to eliminatebias as much as possible. As Carl
Popper said, you naturally have abias if you create hypothesis because you are

(50:37):
making an assumption prior to having evidence. The important part is that you then
set those biases aside to investigate scientificallyto eliminate bias as much as possible.
I like that. That's good.And then Dave says it's called a null

(50:59):
hup as hypothesis and alternative hypothesis,you keep them equal until you have all
the data. Mhm H John Michael, Oh looking up with dudes in North
Carolina? Where was I? Iwant to look up with you? Dude?
Oh my, we we did sharea room, didn't we didn't we

(51:22):
share a room in Tennessee or hyeah, Kentucky. I think we shared
a room. So shut up,bitch. H John Michael has a question,
have you had the funds in thetime to do a one scientific investigation
involving the paranormal? What would itbe? Somebody beat you into that,
that question was asked, and Ithink it would. It would definitely be

(51:45):
um, the psychics. I wouldget into psychics. Um, Yeah,
I think I think so because theother I guess, Um. The other
areas that I've looked into my experience, psychic investigations have taken the longest U

(52:06):
because I think there's just so muchinvolved. One I did on psychic Detectives
took a couple months just to getall the facts and follow mostly because things
were happening in real time. Iwas actually following a missing person case in
real time and going with the psychicpredictions and following the police reports and actually

(52:29):
going out and taking part in searchparties. So it took a long time.
I would love to be able tostudy that and give a good indication
of like the best cases, themost the alleged, most accurate cases,
and really investigate those and see ifthere's any validity to them, because my

(52:51):
biases I don't think there is.So it's all about biases tonight. Tracy,
Hi, Tracy, she says,burn the doll freaks creepy eye or
creepy doll? Did it? Didit blink yet? Did it blink?
I'm waiting. I wonder if Ibang nah? All right, one of
these days, maybe I'll just rigone up so I have a remote and

(53:12):
it just uh it closes its eyesor winks it. Yeah, and that
would be fun. Uh shaking blinkysyndrome. That's nice. So um,
let's say, let me keep going, let me keep going here, Movie
dolls. Wait, the movie dolls. The movie dolls, says JD came

(53:37):
out in the eighties. Great film, hugely entertaining it and underrated, with
a great soundtrack. Soundtrack. Checkit out. Okay, I'm done plugging.
I'll chake. That's the second timeI saw you mention that. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna try that out. I'm gonna maybe i'll watch that tonight
while I am home alone in thedark. I'll turn all the lights out.
I'll bring Blinky down with me andwe'll just watch a movie. Maybe

(53:59):
she'll get interested. And Tom Nollysays, this is my first time here.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Shutup, Dick Quad. Alrighty,
let's say, um, I keepgoing. Oh there, Mucker says,

(54:22):
is there a quote you are gonnaget tim vickered bias? Oh my goodness,
Um, yeah, I guess yeah, Well I don't know how would
we define a tim vickered bias?All right, Dave, that's up to
you. That's your homework. Dave, have a definition of tim vickered bias

(54:46):
by tomorrow for the three Tortured souls. Oh my goodness, let's say question
from Carol. Carol says, topeople here, ye, Kenny has already
answered previously. Who thinks they havemetapsychic who might be the real thing?
Ah? Okay, And Bob says, Kenny, you need to have something

(55:10):
rigged up in your office like yourlast guest had not. Why can't I
not remember his name? Mick West. That was Mick West who had that.
And I actually talked to him afterwards. I talked him after the show
a little bit, and he setthat up because he had done so many
podcasts and interviews video interviews where heneeded some demonstration tools. So he actually

(55:34):
built that in order to have itall ready, and it was cool.
He showed me the whole rig andreally really cool. I do need to
have something like that. I thoughtabout doing some tricks, but honestly,
I don't have room. I reallydon't have room like what you see here.
Let me take this off. Whatyou see There's enough room for me
just to sit here. That's it. And then I have to actually go

(55:57):
out and around my desk to getout of the room because not only is
this room packed, but it's fuckingpacked. So yeah, oh man,
let me see what else? Whatelse do we have? I'm going to
play my commercial soon, um,so that I can take a pea break
and then get back and see whatother questions might pop up. So let's

(56:24):
say, oh wait, what's this? Norman Cohen says, sure, Shirley.
Shirley Parker claims her psychokinesis ability confirmedscientifically in the lab, thoughts on
PK. I don't know who sheis. Um, let me see if
I can look it up real quickbefore I go anywhere. Uh, sure,

(56:47):
Cherry Lee Parker Parker Parker, Yeah, um Parker. Let's say Shirley
Parker on Pinterestum, this is notwho I'm looking for. I don't know.
This might not be as easy asI thought. Um, I thought
I could look her name up andgo from there. Psycho psycho kinesis looking

(57:15):
it up. Nope, nothing comesup with that. So I don't know
who you're talking about. UM,I'm not familiar with it. My thoughts
on PK, I'm not a believer. Go ahead, Dave, give me
shit on that. Um, I'mnot a believer it. I don't really,

(57:38):
I don't. Yeah, I don'thave any opinion on that because I
don't know who this person is.UM. If they've been confirmed scientifically,
like what has been confirmed exactly?What can she do? Um? And
and what are the limits? WhatI mean if they're confirmed, like who
confirmed them? Um? And ifif this power exists, I know a

(58:00):
place where she can make two hundredand fifty thousand dollars, which is pretty
good. I mean, if Icould confirm my you know, my force
powers, I would totally go forthat. But yeah, let me know
because I'm I'm interested. Let's say, oh, I need five or six

(58:21):
things to come down. Yeah,John, I do I need. I
do need shit rigged up. ButI do have stuff on the ceiling.
I mean, you can look realquick. I do have Um, I
do have Star Wars vehicles up thereall over some maps. So I got
enough shit up there. Let's seewhat else we got. Uh. Bob

(58:44):
says I can rig my books tomove. Well, yeah, I totally
could do that. We'll get themystery machine here to go back and forth,
maybe get the triple to the startand shaking. Have a UFO guy
and an alien over there. Ican make him fly round and do all
kinds of stuff. Let's say.John Michael says, I'd pay twenty five

(59:06):
dollars for the doll if every timesomeone asked a question about a yetti,
Kenny brought down from the sky abare bottomed jetti. What shut up up?
John? Stop drinking? Dave askedanother question, Do you think Paris
labs on TV really believe the crapthey say and do or are they just

(59:27):
playing for the ratings? That isa good question. That's a good question.
I don't know many of them personally, so I cannot say with certainty
whether they they do believe or not. I've talked to a few people.
I've talked to Jason Halls quite afew times, especially recently. I've talked

(59:51):
to him a few times, andI think him and his group really believe
what they do and what they say. So many other shows. I've talked
to a few people, like theghost Hunters, the new season of ghost
Hunters, I think it was onlyone season or two seasons. I talked

(01:00:13):
to what's his name, Brandon Alvez. I talked to him briefly. He
seems to believe wholeheartedly what he says. Take it that as you want.
Uh. And then there's a coupleother people that I think really really believe
because going to like paranormal conferences,you know, back when we could socialize

(01:00:36):
it. Just sitting there at atable while a lot of people are talking,
you get to hear a lot,and hearing some of these Paris Levs
talk, it sounded like they werereally they were really into it. I
don't think many of them did notbelieve, and they were just playing to
the camera. Some people, ZachBaggins definitely definitely played to the camera,

(01:01:04):
especially Oh my God, there's aclip Dave. I don't know where that
clip was from, but he sentme a clip of Ghost Adventures and they're
on a bridge. It looks likethey're on a bridge outside and Zach is
like choking himself and just going goingoff and pretending that he's possessed or something

(01:01:27):
I don't know, and his buddyis like trying to rip his arms off,
and I mean I was laughing hysterically, hysterically. Normally, this would
be a very intense moment, likeif it was somebody else, you would
think, oh my god, thisperson possessed. If this was a horror
movie, you think, oh,that motherfucker's dying because that Goes is going

(01:01:51):
to choke him. Oh that's it. But in the Zach in Zach's case,
I was cracking month. I waslaughing off. Oh my god.
It was fun because I think hedoes play for the ratings, and I
think his misguided idea that the moredramatic, the more Jim Carrey like he
is, the more ratings he's goingto get. And I think he's just

(01:02:15):
digging his own grave. I cannotwait until they cancel that show. I
really hope, I really really hopethey cancel it soon. Although you know,
it is fun to see his towrite about him sometimes. All right,
So Alldres says, I almost thinkI should watch on Facebook just so

(01:02:37):
I can get in on the combos. You probably should. I mean I
stream to YouTube more so that Idon't have to upload it later. It's
more of convenience to me. Butthere is a lot of people in the
chat room on Facebook, so yeah, you might want to switch over and
just take a look so because youcan get into some really cool conversations.

(01:03:00):
These guys are great. So that'soh wait, um, no one comes
back. Shirley Black is her name? Oh okay, so Shirley Black.
Let me say Shirley Black psychokinesis ShirleyBlack Psychokinesian's presentation and workshop. Oh let's

(01:03:23):
say what is this? H fromPrecognition Experiences to PK Activity a Personal account
of the after effects of NDEs withShirley Black. All right, she's talking
about near death experiences consulting. Ithink this is gonna Oh wait, what

(01:03:45):
is she doing? She's doing likeworkshops and stuff. She's traveling around doing
workshops. Oh, admission is onlytwenty dollars. Where is this ad I
might go or attend. I'm gonnaoh dorham M want to see. I'm
gonna have to look into this alittle bit more. Um, thanks Norman
for bringing this up. I'm gonnaput this on my handy notes here and

(01:04:06):
uh, I'm gonna look into thisa little bit more because I don't I've
never heard of her. I don'tknow, Dave, if you have any
comments about that, if you've heardof this person. Um, But yeah,
I think this is gonna take alittle bit of a time to get
into to see what what kind ofclaims there are and uh, if they're

(01:04:27):
actually confirmed, um, because that'sa that's a pretty big deal if it
if it actually is. Um.So we'll have to give in that a
little bit. But thank you forbringing that up. I appreciate that.
Let me see, uh, letme see it, um, sure,
Carol or Carol says, if it'sDurham, North Carolina. Let me see,

(01:04:49):
Oh it is it is? Ohwait, oh wow, never mind,
this is from twenty fourteen. Ijust saw the date. Oh my
goodness, it says. Let megive you a summary of it. It
says. Shirley Black is a neardeath experiencer who was gifted with three very
notable experiences. The after effects ofthese experiences were sometimes difficult to deal with,

(01:05:14):
ranging from relatively innocuous precognitive precognitive dreamsto issues with poltergeist activity and other
PK. Her first Nda or NDEwas an incident as a toddler that introduced
Shirley to her deceased grandmother. Anotherdistressing near death experience occurs occurred at the

(01:05:35):
age of ten, which was madeall the more frightening by a preview of
adult responsibilities. I don't I don'tunderstand that, Like, did she have
a preview that she was going tohave to get a job and work for
a living? Like, that's whatit sounds like to me. Her third
near death experience was a blissful experienceat the age of twenty nine. Shirley

(01:05:59):
will share the narratives of her threenear death experiences and relate each experience to
the resulting after effects. Shirley isactively involved in a number of studies into
cy PK phenomenon, including work doneat the r RC. Is that the
Ring Research Center. I think shewill describe how participating in research and conducting

(01:06:21):
her own experiments with cy PK hashelped her to cope with many challenges of
being a near death experiencer. Sointeresting, I'm not sure. I mean,
this is twenty fourteen. I'm notagain. I'm gonna have to look
into this a little bit more becauseI'm not sure how you can confirm three

(01:06:44):
near death experiences, especially when Imean one happened when she was a toddler,
So I don't know what kind ofrecords you're going to have there or
when she was when she was anage of ten. I'm not really sure
how you would record that, andthen the other one at twenty nine,
so I don't I don't know.Um, maybe i'll Carol's right, Carol's

(01:07:06):
like get her on the show.Maybe I will. Maybe, maybe I
will. Um, I want tolook into it a little bit more and
maybe maybe ye. And if she'sstill around, I have to check that
because this again, this is fromuh six years ago, So if she's
still around, if she's still doingstuff like this, maybe I can contact
her and maybe she'll come on theshow and talk. That'd be interesting.

(01:07:31):
What and I'm sure will have alot of people we can actually get because
you guys are all down there.John's down there. M let's say,
Oh, Dave's excited. Oh aftereffects of dase, this is an interesting
topic. There was a PhD thesison that and a few published papers.
Nice all right, Zach choking himself? I thought he only did hit at

(01:07:56):
her. Oh my god, Audra, see Bob. Bob's telling you,
Audra, come on over to Facebookand you'll get in the conversation. It'll
be so much better, all right, let me see. Um okay,
so I'm going Oh, Audre's here? Yes? Nice? All right,
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eight pm Eastern and five Pacific.All right, that was good. Are

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you all influenced? Did I getsubliminal messages in there? And you're all
actually like opening another browser and saying, I'm buying T shirts. I'm gonna
buy like five T shirts each ofyou. Then that'll be awesome anyway,
So let's let's get back to this. Norman. I will definitely I did
google her. I have information up, but I want to give it my

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full attention. So after the show, I'm gonna look into it a little
bit more, and maybe this weekendI can reach out to her. If
I find I'll probably find contact information, So I'll reach out to her and
see what the deal is. Bobsays, I see Deadpool in the background.
Your thoughts on Deadpool replacing stan Leeand cameos in future Marvel movies I

(01:10:41):
think it's a great idea. Ithink it's great. Yes, there it
is there, he is right there, he's chilling out. This is my
lovely Deadpool. Love it. Butyeah, I think it's that would be
awesome. Um, certainly missed inbut because stands demand and uh but Deadpool
is just ah, oh my gosh. Ryan Reynolds has done such a great

(01:11:06):
job with that character and all theshift that he does is just hilarious when
it comes to Deadpool. Um.So yeah, I'm totally for it,
totally for it. I hope theyI hope they do it. Oh my
gosh, what Dave the Three TorturedSouls ad was lame? Whatever, that's

(01:11:30):
because you did it, m ohMan. So again, we're at we're
what do we at? We're anhour and ten minutes. Um, I'm
actually caught up. I am caughtup with the comments, which is awesome.
I love that. If you haveany more questions, feel free to

(01:11:50):
pop him in. If not,I'm gonna start doing announcements and then we
might have to wrap this up alittle early. Um. So I'm actually
interested in this, uh, thisthis near death experienced person. Um,
there's a lot of stuff. Oh, Brian Institute. Oh, she has

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a page on the Ryan Institute.Interesting. Okay, so now I can
look into her a little bit moreand uh and see if I can get
see if I can get her onthe show. That would be interesting because
I usually, I mean, Ihave people on the show that are more
on the skeptical side on the scientificside. Um, I don't really have

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opposing views, which is probably abias, right Dave. But I mean
I'd love to actually have someone onthe opposite side and come on and just
talk about their experiences and you know, if they're open for questions, that
would be a lot of fun.Um. Oh, so Jda does have

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Wait, wait, what's what's let'ssay Norman says, what would constitute proof
of talking to the dead? Ithink that's a very involved question. It's
not just as easy as saying someone'stalking to the dead, because we deal
with that with psychics all the time, and we can attribute a lot of
that to cold reading and hot readingtechniques. But to be for me,

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and this is just for me,I have three envelopes that I carry it
around with me and yes, Iactually do take during my I have a
special bag that is my investigation adventurebag and it has like camera equipment,
but my investigation equipment, some ofthe stuff that I've shown on here in

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past episodes. But in that Ihave three envelopes that have really important information,
detailed information about three people that havesince passed on. And it would
be phenomenal if I could sit withsomeone that claims to be a medium that
talks between them and they could say, Okay, yes, this person,

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this person, this person, andthey can they tell me this and this
and this. Because even though I'ma skeptic, I still talk to people
that were good or close to mewhen they were alive. I still talk
to them. Most of the time. I consider it talk to myself.
But you know, you talk toyourself, some people consider you crazy.

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So when you put a name onit of someone that has passed away,
it doesn't sound as crazy. Butit would be really cool if I don't
know why I'm doing this, Itwould be really cool if I could sit
with somebody and they claim to bea medium and they said, all right,
yeah, this person has come throughand they're telling me this, this

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and this and this, like actualdetailed information, not letters, not general
information or vague information. That canbe applied to almost anyone. That would
be really cool to me and bemore convincing than any of the shit that
I've been through already. And forreference, I've said, well over one

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hundred psychics mediums, I've sat withthem, I've gone through several gallery readings,
uh, the big ones where yougo and attend like there's like one
hundred or a thousand people. ButI've also sat one on one with over
one hundred people, different people thatclaim to be psychic or end or medium
to give me readings, and unfortunately, like none of them have done anything

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but vague cold reading techniques, andsome of them had tried hot reading techniques,
and it's because they knew me.Um, so you know, you
can pick up on that stuff reallyquick. So yeah, I don't.
I don't. I think that wouldbe proof for me, or or at

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least circumstantial evidence that would lead meto want to investigate them more or look
into them more. So I'm notsaying it would convince me one hundred percent,
but I'd be like, Wow,holy fuck, open up the envelope
and you just rattle off everything that'son this this letter. Holy crap,
let's look into you more. Andby the way, I have a group

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that I know I can recommend youto. You can make two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars. I would totallyhelp them. So I hope that answered
your question. I'm not sure ifit did, but I hope it did.
JA wants to know about the GreenBook. I did not forget about
the Green Book. I did not. So this is my book of the
week. I usually I try todo a book of the week and recommend

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a book that has that I've readthat has helped me, you know in
my career, if you will,of investigating, you know, to expand
my mind, whether through just generalknowledge or specific knowledge or investigative techniques US
and that, and this week ismore. I guess you could say it's

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probably not what you would think,but maybe you do. So it is
the celebrated cases of Sherlock Holmes.That's what this book is. It's most
of his cases. What do wehave? We have The Adventures of Sherlock
Holmes, The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes, The Return of Sherlock Holmes, A

(01:17:27):
Study in Scarlett, The Sign ofFour and The Hounds of Bakersville, which
oh my god, I love thatone. I love this book because it
really is a dive into critical thinking. Even though even though author Arthur Conan
Doyle was duped into things like psychicsand the Conning League fairies. I mean

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that was just really that was reallybad. Those aside. This man could
fuck right. Um. Sherlock Holmesis a fabulous character. And when you
read through the stories, you gainedthis perspective of critical thinking. You gained
this perspective of piecing little clues together, of listening um for what's there and

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for what's not there? Um.And and that's one of the famous lessons
that he teaches, like what notjust you know what did you hear?
But what didn't you hear? Andone of those cases was because of dogs.
Um. There was a case theHounds, I think there was the
Hounds of Bakersville, where it's it'sthe person that committed the crime. When

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they approached the house, the dogswent out but did not bark because they
knew the person and therefore they werefriendly to the person. And that's something
you have to look for, likewhat's there, but also what's not there?
And this when you read through thesestories, you really get a sense
of holy shit, you know thisis really really cool. I didn't think

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of that before. Or it givesyou a way to think about critical thinking.
I don't know how else to explainit, but I definitely would say
pick up a book like this.You can get them from like Barnes and
Noble. You can get it onAmazon. This is an older copy,
but definitely pick up these works andjust read them. Not only are they

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great tools for expanding your your knowledgeof investigative techniques and or critical thinking or
attention to detail, but they areentertaining stories. So it's it's not like
reading a school book or a textbook. It's you're reading a story and you're
getting the benefit of education out ofit. So that's my book of the
week. So what else do wehave? All Right? Bob says,

(01:19:55):
not to throw another project at you, Thank Bob, But any thoughts on
putting together a website with a tspring link books of the Week links to
your skeptical inquire articles, a onestop Biddle shop. Who would want?
Bet? I do have a websitethat I've been working on. It's for
the Mystery Museum since the physical locationwas stripped away from me in a very

(01:20:21):
violent and uncool manner. I decidedto put everything online, so I'm slowly
working on that so that everyone canat least enjoy that. And it's a
free website. If you actually goto the Mystery Museum on Facebook and look
on the like about section that sidesection where it lists a website, you

(01:20:42):
can click on that and go tothe website and see some of the items
that I've had. I'm slowly puttingthem all up there, but there's a
lot of information up there, somaybe I'll do it. Maybe I'll add
some of this stuff. You canalways go to my blog to find the
link to my Skeptical Inquirer articles.I know, Yeah, a lot of
the stuff is spread out, somaybe maybe I'll work on that. Maybe

(01:21:03):
I'll work on something else, oror expand that museum thing where it's a
one stop shop, um, apital shop. That's funny. I love
it. I love it, andI appreciate it. You know that makes
that that that makes me smile becauseyou know you're so interested. That's really
cool. Um. But yeah,I'll put the tea Spring link up in

(01:21:27):
the comments um after the show,so that, uh, you guys can
look if you want to. Youpretty much go to tea Spring and look
for a skeptical or no, I'msorry, you look for a scientific skepticism.
That's the name of the store.And then you know, if you
see something you like, you win. I win, everybody wins. That's
awesome, all just says, youknow, besides the Mandalorian, this is

(01:21:50):
one thing I look forward to onFridays. Oh, thank you so much,
Aldre. That that's freaking awesome andthat makes me feel really good.
I appreciate it. Uh, let'ssay, Norman says, but people claim
that happens all the time. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah,

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he's talking about constitute proof of talkingto the dead. Yes, people claim
that happens all the time through likebroken radios. They do it through recorders.
They have mediums that come in thatclaim to be talking directly to dead
people and still give you vague commentsinstead of having a good conversation. I
mean, if we have a conversation, if you and I have a conversation

(01:22:32):
and you say something to me,I can repeat it literally, like word
for word to another person. Butthat doesn't seem to happen with psychics or
mediums. I used to use psychicand medium interchangeably. I shouldn't because I
know there is a distinction between them, but it's just it's habit. But

(01:22:53):
for mediums, they generalize, theygive vague statements, which to me not
constitute a two way conversation. Andthen for other people that use a broken
radio, well, that's your problem. You're using a broken radio. I
mean, there's nothing more to sayabout that. And then for other EVP

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sessions where they're talking, they're askingquestions and then playing the recordings, there's
lots that can go wrong with that. There's friction from your hand if you're
holding it, because a lot ofghost hunters hold that recorder and they love
to hold a recorder. But evenif you put it down on a table,
you still have friction slash vibration issues. If people are moving around,

(01:23:38):
walking around traffic on the outside,it still happens. I do recommend you
put any recorders in a shock mount, and that helps absorb the vibrations so
it doesn't transfer to the body ofthe recorder and thus transfer to the microphone
which is attached to the body ofthe recorder. So yeah, there's there's

(01:23:58):
people that claim to that that theytalked to the dead all the time.
I mean, I talked to thedead, but it's a one way conversation.
Uh, they don't. They nevertalked back. It would be great
if they did, because I'm stilllooking for that one box. Um.
That's a different story anyway. Uh, but I'm gonna keep moving on.

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Um, thank you. I hopethat answered your question. It probably didn't,
but I'm trying. Aldre says shehas a question. Have you ever
spoken to Chip Coffee? Yes,he claims to be a medium. Yes.
Do I think he is? No? Um, no, no,

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not at all. Uh, he'svery he does the vague shit too.
Um. And there's actually I don'tknow why my voice get high there,
but there's actually a Let me letme try to look it up real quick.
There is um a psych exting.That's my friends Susan Gerbick and Mark

(01:25:03):
Edward did. Let me look itup. Let me see if I can
find it where they actually went toone of his shows, and you know,
to see if there's any validity toit. And I'm pretty sure.
Let me see Coffee. Let mesee if that comes up. Susan Gerbick

(01:25:25):
jumped Chip Coffee. Let me,oh, I might be able to find
it here. Um. Susan gerbickRun. She's the founder of the Gorilla
Skepticism on Wikipedia product. She runsa lot of psychic stings. She's also
a fellow Fellow of the Committee forSkeptical Inquirer, which I am too.

(01:25:46):
There. Wait, there it is. There's my award right there. I
love it. Um. Let mesee, Let me see if I can
find this ship. I want tofind it so I can put it in
the comments. Okay, main articlechip coffee, all right. So wow,
there's a lot of references there thatI don't know if I'll be able

(01:26:11):
to find the link right away.Okay, I'm gonna have to wait until
I have to to show and thenlook for it because I don't want to.
Oh wait, is that it?It might be Operation Bumblebee. That's
it. Here we go, SoI'll put it in here and you guys
can read it. So it's goingin the comments now, and that should

(01:26:38):
pop up and across all formats.Hopefully it's it's doing the circle of death
here. I don't know if thatmeans out there it goes all right.
So that's the second sting one onthat Susan did and I'm not sure how
it turned out. I don't rememberhow it turned out because it's been a
while since I read it, butthat should give you food for thought.

(01:27:00):
But I'm not sure. Like yourquestion was, if I spoke to him.
Yes, I have spoken to him. I have met him in person
a few times, and unfortunately thefirst time was when I went to Penn
State for the uh what was hisname? Um? Uh? The kid

(01:27:21):
I just talked about him, thePenn State paranormal or paranormal State guy.
Uh. I went out there fora conference they were holding and it totally
just busted. The conference was shutdown by the staff because we couldn't sell

(01:27:41):
anything, and everybody went nuts andChip Coffee was trying to come around and
tell everyone like it was you know, it was okay, we can still
work around it. And I waslike, aren't you psychic? Didn't you
see this come in? And thatwas the last time we spoke. So
yeah, uh, movie on,h let's see. Oh, let's say,

(01:28:08):
oh, Dave. I love whenDave asked questions because it really makes
me think, makes my brain hurtafterwards. So Dave's question is, how
do you know they are talking tothe dead person? Reading your mind or
remote viewing info SUPERSI hypothesis, Sowouldn't be so it wouldn't be proof of
talking to the dead. Well,now they're we're adding other stuff in here,

(01:28:30):
um reading your mind. Um,I guess my answer to that.
My response to that would be thatI base my testing or my investigations on
the claims the people are being madethat the person is making. So if
they are claiming that they are talkingto the dead or a dead person that's

(01:28:53):
standing behind me, if that's theirclaim, then that's what I'm going with.
So that's what my investigation will baitwill be based on. If they're
just staring up all around, um, and then you know, saying I'm
getting this and I'm getting that,then yeah, maybe you're Maybe these other

(01:29:15):
categories can come into into being,like okay, maybe they're reading my mind
and that that I think that actuallycame up in some of the psychics things
like part of what we did,um the one that I was I took
part in, and I think severalothers that were taken out that were done
by Susan. They developed other characters, so there's other characters. We play

(01:29:40):
the character and we only get theminimal amount of information. So that if
we go to a psychic reading andthey are saying like hot reading, which
means that they have information beforehand,they looked us up, they have a
bunch of information, like they wentthrough our social media page. So if
they look up, if they haveall this information that they give us,

(01:30:02):
like accurate information that's about our characterand not us, and we don't know
about that, then reading the mindreading our minds would be rolled out,
and then that I don't know ifI've explained it sufficiently. When we do
the psychic things like this, mostof the time, like people like me,

(01:30:24):
when we go undercover, we geta character, We get maybe like
two or three lines worth of descriptionabout our background, and that's it.
There are social media pages developed forour characters that we have no control over.
We don't even know where they are, and we don't have access to
them. So if information about ourcharacter is gained through social media, then

(01:30:49):
that's not reading our minds. Butthat's just that small part remote viewing.
That's again that's something else. Iwouldn't say that that would be likened to
talking to a dead person, becauseI'm going when when you say talking to
a dead person. My idea isthat there's the dead person's here, you

(01:31:13):
know, like they're right here,or they're listening and they're they're hearing a
voice talk to them, or theyactually see like a ghost thing, you
know, like uh, Patrick Sweezy, you know, he comes up a
lot in our podcast, but likea whole Patrick Swayze thing where ghosts is
staying here. We just can't seehim except for the psychic. So um,

(01:31:34):
I know there's and there's I knowthere's other elements that can be included,
and and that just broadens h theamount of work, which is you
know, understandable. But I don'tthink many of these claims weren't uh all

(01:31:55):
these other variables. I think alot of them are just simple that they
can be simply not through this expandedamount of possibilities. I don't know if
that made sense. I really don't. Dave says, your three envelopes test
needs to be refined. Whatever.Mhmm uh, let's see, um keep

(01:32:21):
going here. What time is it? One thirty two? What else do
I have? Do I have anythingelse on my No? I don't.
Okay, let's say oh and Bobsays, I also need to add a
donation link to the Cancer Research Groupdonate too. Yes, I work on
websites, so if you need help, I am in awesome. Thank you.

(01:32:44):
So let's see Norman. I haveno idea what this is, he
says, I know it's late,but any thoughts about jay z Knight and
Romp the the thirty five thousand yearold Lemrian Warrior. I have absolutely no

(01:33:04):
clue what this is, but itsounds awesome, jay z Night, Like,
is that for real? Is that? Is that? Honestly, it
sounds like a dj um. Idon't know, jay Z Night. I
have no idea what this is.I don't know if that's showing my age
or what. But I'm going towrite that down and thirty five k Lemuran,

(01:33:32):
your Mirrian Lemurian Warrior. Do youguys got a kick out of me
trying to pronounce words? Like?Do I pronounce words really bad? Or
try to? And you guys arejust laughing your ass off, like looking
at me, going you're an idiot, because I do. I totally do.

(01:33:54):
Uh. Let's say, what elsedo we got here? Uh?
Chandler's umm looking looking looking Nope,Oh, there's my links. That's good.
Ryan Bule thank you, Dave.Thank you Ryan Buell. That's the

(01:34:15):
name I was looking for. Ijust talked about him like literally yesterday yesterday.
Yeah, yesterday, I was ona show called The Haunted Librarian and
it was it was a very goodshow, like I was. I was
impressed. Um, good conversation andwe actually talked about Ryan Buell for a

(01:34:38):
little bit. So oh and thankyou Dave. Saw he sent it to
me through private message too, Thankyou. I appreciate it. Um.
Yeah, because so many names.Oh, I'm horrible with names. All
right, So we're at one thirtyfour. I think I think I'm gonna

(01:34:58):
start wrapping this up less there's anylast minute questions that we can actually get
into. Um And I'm sorry,Norman, I'm really trying, like these
are good questions. These are theseare not questions. I expect it,
so I'm prepared for them. ButI'm gonna look this up because it's really
really sounds cool. All right.Uh so okay, yeah, I'm gonna

(01:35:20):
I think I'm gonna wrap up.What do I got? I have absolutely
no announcements because COVID has taken aneffect. I know new restrictions took effect
today in Philadelphia, UM at least, and I know that there's been videos
from around the country, UM talkingabout new restrictions. So it looks like

(01:35:41):
we're heading to another full lockdown.UM, so be safe and uh and
and there's nothing out there. Ohnow the questions come in. All right,
we'll we'll stop the winding down andwe'll just ramp back up because you
know, I have nothing else todo. I don't really all right.
John Michael has a question. What'syour opinion on the actual actor? Oh

(01:36:09):
you, Dick, don't look alone. Just want you to pronounce the name.
Oh my god, I hate you, John Dave Schumacher. Is it
not paranormal that Kenny is so damncool? Oh my god? M hm

(01:36:30):
oh I need some more rum,I really do, because I'm not as
I'm actually at the end of theshow and I'm still I don't even feel
buzzed. But then again, Ihear that I'm an alcoholic, so I
guess I should drink more anyway.So okay, then I'm gonna try this

(01:36:50):
name. Chill what tell no,fuck it, I'm not doing it,
all right. So with that said, I mean that there's no announcements coming
up. I don't have anything goingon because everything's canceled, everything's closing.

(01:37:11):
So I guess the best thing Ican do is just tell everyone, please
be safe. Wear your mask.If you don't agree with me, so
be it. Just wear your fuckingmask. All right, Let's let's try
to nip this as quick as possibleso we can all get back to getting
together. I miss hanging out withpeople. I miss going to conventions,

(01:37:33):
both paranormal and skeptical. I missedattending lectures and just getting together with people
that are like minded, that arenot like minded, that are just there
so we can talk. I lovedoing the podcast. I will continue to
do the podcast, but I domiss that interaction. So let's try to

(01:37:55):
get this. Let's try to getthis cleared up so we can get back
because I do have next. Theevent that I do have is Phenomenology,
and it's actually scheduled for February,February eleventh to fourteen, and I'm doubtful

(01:38:16):
that's going to happen. I'm reallyam because of all the shit that that
is going on. So where yourfucking mask. Do as you're told,
even though it sucks, and we'llget through this um together. So what
else tea spring visit my tea springstorm please. Um, if especially with

(01:38:38):
the holidays coming, if you're intoscientific skepticism, there's a lot of designs
up there, so it's it's bothskepticism, it's science. It's a little
bit funny. Um. The twoby two table that was inspired by Dave
Schumacher is up there too if youwant to check into that, and the
ghost Hunting two by two table,which is really cool. I love wearing
that on ghost Hunts. Oh ohthat's so much fun. Um. But

(01:39:01):
all the money from that actually goesback into not only my research um,
to help me acquire new things totest, but it also helps keeps keeps
keep the light on, you know, keep this going, the podcast and
and everything that we do with that. Um. Tomorrow night, I will
be on with Dave Schumacher and TimVickers for Three Tortured Souls again, um,

(01:39:26):
because that's an awesome show. Iactually love doing it. I know,
like you you probably saw, likeDave ask a lot of questions and
we go back and forth. Iactually love that. I look forward to
that because I think it makes bothof us think more and we get into
it and I learned so much fromfrom both him and Tim. So that's
eight o'clock Eastern, five o'clock Pacific, So tune in for that tomorrow night.

(01:39:53):
And uh what else? Anything else? If you guys got anything,
please let me know. If youhave an event coming up or a talk
or something, or you're going tobe on a podcast, feel free to
post it in the comments or letme know ahead of time, and I'll
definitely promote you. Unless you're adeck then I won't let me see what

(01:40:17):
do we got here? Wear adamn mask. Damn right, Bob,
wash your damn hands. There,you go, wash your hands. Keep
washing your hands. You're disgusting fucks. You know what. I work in
a hospital and I hate when it'slike you walk into a bathroom and there's

(01:40:38):
like shit everywhere, there's just andpeople. You hear the toilet flush and
they walk right out the door andyou're like, dude, and I'm one
to call out people right away.And now even now it's even worse because
I'm like, WHOA, wash yourfucking hands, dude, wash them,
Gotta do it. So, oh, Bob's on the start a podcast very

(01:41:00):
soon. Details are coming, somake sure you Bob let me, know,
and once you get started, maybeyou can come on the show and
then talk about your podcast and wecan we can have a discussion. That'll
be cool. I know Dave Schumacherhas a podcast, or you do a
show yourself or with your wife,I think, um so, feel free
to put that into comments too,so we can promote that. And Aldre

(01:41:26):
is out of rum. Oh mygod, Oh I don't rum. You're
not an alcoholic. Yeah, Iknow. I'm not an alcohol I'm just
a damn pirate, A good kindof pirate. Uh that's about it.
That's about it. I know thingsare winding down and uh so have a
good weekend, and if you tunein tomorrow, I'll see you tomorrow night.
Otherwise, have a great weekend,enjoy it. Do something cool,

(01:41:53):
you know, keep yourself busy.Read a book, a book, read
a book, go out and getSherlock home, get a book, play
a board game. Remember those thoseare cool. And then just educate yourself,
you know, and expand your mind. And as I set up to
do my exit video, I wantto say, make sure that you never

(01:42:20):
stop learning. And I'll see younext week.