Skeptical Help Bar_ Theme - Talking Boards

In this episode, we're talking about talking boards! Kenny starts out with a cliff notes version of the history of the talking board, then we dive into viewer questions and experiences. Kenny shows some of the many boards he has and relates some of his experiences. Oh, we also see the first viewer booted from the show (for not following one of the three SIMPLE rules).

Episode Transcript

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Oh boy, the bar is open. Who oh hello everyone, Hello,

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Happy Friday, Happy Friday night,the beginning of your weekend. Uh wow,
hm, it's been a it's beena kind of a short week.
I guess, I guess I onlyworked, uh three days. I work
Monday, Wednesday, and today.I actually took off Tuesday, and then

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well yesterday it was Thanksgiving for usin America, so we I had that
day off anyway. So hey,jd what's up. Good to see some
people filing in. That's awesome.What's up, Bob? It's Friday night?
Do you know where your favorite skepticsare? Right here? Oh?

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Hi, Diane, what's up?All right? So let me let me
get to it. Let me jumpright in here tonight is let's see while
I go over the rules. Forfirst timers, please sound off, let
me know where you are, whereyou're from, what you're drinking, Especially,

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Hey, Donna, Donna's in thehouse. What so rule number one.
For those of you new to theshow or are you just like hearing
me go over the rules, thisshow is open to paranormal related questions,
so you can ask any question aboutparanormal topics, ghosts, and UFOs,
Bigfoot, I do mostly ghosts.Yeah, I do ghosts. But you

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can ask all these questions if youwant to. That's fine. I will
give you my skeptical opinion in return, and it might not always be the
opinion that you want to hear,but at least it opens discussion. Hey,
yeah, Bill, what's up?Bill? Rule Number two is that
I don't know everything. Please understandthat I know most of you do.
Some people I know. There's beena couple of newcomers that come in and

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ask me questions and they're like,why don't you know it? You know,
let's go, let's let's do it. I honestly don't know everything.
I try, I really try,but I am not a know it all
despite what some people say about me. So if I don't know what you're
talking about, I'll certainly look itup, and if it's something we can
address within a few minutes, thendefinitely we will do that. If not,

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then I will write it down.Oh where is my notepad? Up?
Wait? Where is mine? Where'smy you know what? I have
so much shit on my desk thatI don't even know where my noepen is.
I'll hope to use this one.I have a little one, I
will write it down and I willget back to you. Hey, this
is Tom's world. What's up?J D? And rule number three.

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Rule number three is basically, belike Patrick, sweezy, be nice.
That's it. Don't be a dick, just be nice. This is uh.
This show promotes um friendly conversation discussionand I see it every week.
It's really cool. I love seeingthat in the chat room. My chair
is really low. There we go. I'm up a little bit. There

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you go. Now I'm tall,a big boy. So anyway, yeah,
this this show is about friendly discussionand in conversations so people can talk
out their beliefs or different points ofview and have fun doing it. So
let's keep it that way. It'spretty cool. So um oh, what's
this, Bob? What are yousaying here? Do ghosts? Question mark

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is the tackline for a new show, Sexy Baron. Um M, maybe
that'll be an offshoot where I'm like, so, man, how you doing
all right? So tonight's theme wedo have a theme tonight because I don't
have a guest. I thought aboutgetting a guest, but by the time
I actually thought about this theme,it was way too late to jump in

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oh, someone is coming into myroom here, oh my goodness, and
giving me a being handed a book. I don't know why. No,
that's not my notebook. I thinkDonald just wanted to come in and say
hi, Say hi, real quick, say hi, say hi. Jump
in there there she is, allright, Hey, hell twenty ones here?

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Not the right notebook, Thank you, though, appreciate it. Uh.
So tonight's theme, I'm drinking,by the way, cracking, because
you guys know I love cracking,and that's what's in here. And I
actually started a little bit early tonightbecause last week I had so many complaints,

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Like I couldn't believe how many complaintsI had, not really complaints,
but comments. We'll go with thatum that I was way too sober for
the show. I was like,wow, does that? Does that mean
I have a problem or what?Because I don't know how to take that.

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But anyway, I started early becauseI got home a little early.
And here we go. What's cracking? Is that? Like? What's cracking?
Lacking? M cracking rum, cracking, dark black rum. It's a
spiced rum. It's awesome. Idon't know if you've never had it,
but it's it's good. I loveit. I love it all right.

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So tonight's theme, we're gonna betalking about talking boards, like wegie boards,
talking boards, that kind of thing. Um. If you haven't noticed,
I redecorated a little bit in thebackground here and basically it's just it's
on my list. It was onmy list of topics, where like I'm
sitting at home or whatever I'm doing, I'm like, all right, you

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know, this would be a goodtopic to talk about on the show.
And I read it down on thelist, and since I really didn't know
what I was gonna do tonight,I just went through and I was like,
oh, this is the first one. Let me talk about Wiji boards.
So um, basically I want toI want to put out a disclaimer
first and foremost that I am notan expert on talking boards, on the
history or anything like that. I'vedone some research on it. I do

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have my cheat sheet here with informationthat I that I'm going to borrow from
the Museum of Talking Boards, whichis a great place if you want to
know a little bit more history orgo more in death, I definitely suggest
you go here, um to theMuseum of Talking Boards. It's online.
It's a very good site. It'svery detailed and hosts a lot of old

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boards, and you can just explorethe history of this. This an eating
kind of I would call it art. I really would call it art.
I mean, and some of thesethings are really cool. We got Bob's
board. Bob, Bob, youhave a board. Look, Bob,
that's fun. We can talk aboutthat later if you want. So let
me let me go through here.What do we have Tom's Tom says,

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Okay, we need to have asobriety intervention for Kenny. Okay, come
on over, I'll we can havea party. M all right. So
I'm gonna give you a little bitof history, just like um highlights,
nothing big. I really didn't havetime. I thought i'd have more time

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at work to go through this,but unfortunately I had to work when I
was at work, so I didn'thave too much time. So while I'm
going through this, feel free topost some questions in the chat room or
your experiences if you've played with aGuigi board, and and just just let's
start off with that. AUGI isa brand name. It's not the act.

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That's not what they're all called.They're actually called talking boards. But
Weigi is a brand name owned byParker Brothers. And but if you've had
experiences like that and you want totalk about it, as long as you
can type it, like in acouple of lines in the chat room,
we can put it up there andtalk about it a little bit. And
maybe if you've had some weird thingshappen and you're not sure how to explain

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them, put them in there andwe can all discuss it and maybe come
up with some alternative ideas, sothat would be cool. Or if you
have questions about the Ouiji board orwhat I thought, or theories or ideas
or whatever, feel free put themin the chat room. So basically,
what I'm finding out is that theWigi board, I'm gonna call it a

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Wuigi board because it's just it's mygeneric name. That's what I call it.
The history of it is pretty muchit's evolution, really. I mean
it started out with I mean wecan trace most of spirit communication, the
hardcore spirit communication, back to theFox Sisters when they started doing their pseudo

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seances. They're little sciences where theywere talking to mister Splitfoot, and it
grew from there other people that claimedto be mediums where they would talk to
spirits. There was like this evolutionof tools to use so that you weren't
just doing a seance where the mediumwas the one the focus of everyone's attention.

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There were other people that wanted toget in on it or do it
yourself kind of thing where you wouldn'thave to hire a medium to come out
to the house and do a seance. You could do things yourself. So
it really started with stuff moving behindme. Who let me know if any
freakye shit goes on behind me,because I'm not always looking at the screen.

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So anyway, some of the spiritcommunication with writing actually started with a
basket. There was a basket witha pencil that was shoved through it,
and the basket would be pushed aroundand either the medium would put their hands
on it and I guess, forlack of a better word, activate it,
activate the communication between them and thespirit, and then it would allegedly

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write out messages. That kind ofthing. That little device developed into what
we know as a planchet shape likesomething like this, where it had would
have had some gears on it.Right let me see, I'm rotating coasters
or casters on the bottom, andit had a pencil in the tip here

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actually where this leg would be,and you would put your fingers on it.
People would sit around and put theirfingers on it, and it would
do the same thing. It wouldactually write out responses, which I mean
to me, that's that's actually betteras long as the ghost had good penmanship,
you know, if that's actually betterthan using a board, because they're
actually going to write out the messageand when you know, not all over

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the place. So that actually developedin the other things until eventually, I
believe, let me see, letme let me get this right here.
I think the first mention, thefirst mention of what we would consider the
modern talking board Wiji board, camein eighteen seventy six, specifically December eighteenth,

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eighteen seventy six, in a issueof American Spiritualist magazine, where there's
a full description and I'll post alink to the history in the comments as
soon as I get a chance here, so you guys can look at this
a little bit more. But there'sa full description, and it's it's all
this up here with a little sketchhere, but the full description actually describes

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writing out the alphabet, writing outnumbers, and use a plan chet to
point to all to do the lettersand numbers to spell out messages. So
that's that's the first written account thatI could find, which is really cool.
Let me take a break here andaddress a question, um, because

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I saw let's see Bob had aquestion. Let me see if I can
answer that. Now, Bob saysthat you know of are there any talking
board companies that do not claim itis a toy? If so, what
do they market it as? Sofor companies companies like real companies, I

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don't know. I think Parker Brothershas the big one with Duigi, and
their their design has changed over time, so it had um like this.
This was the original design, theWilliam fudboard, and then it changed to
let's see, um, it actuallychanged to the glowing a dark one which

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is this one and has a glowin a dark planchet, which is this
one, which is really cool atnight. And then they actually went to
this one, which is a newerboard, smaller, doesn't have William Fudd
on it at all, and ithas this light up one. Let me
let me turn the light out soyou can see this see the blue.

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That's really cool. And I'm here, I'm gonna show you this. This
is really cool. I don't knowif this is work, but let's see.
Oh there it goes. Let mesee it actually spells out. You
can see hidden messages with the light, so I think it's like a UV

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light, like a black light kindof effect. Let me see if there's
something else here, Where's where's themessage? I don't know. It might
be hard to see because of thethe light from the screen, so I
don't know if that's actually gonna work. I'll try and post pictures later.
So any companies that I know itdoesn't claim that it's a toy. I

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don't know. Big companies no.Smaller venues like when I get the custom
more custom designs, the smaller onesfrom like little vendors at like paranormal conferences
and stuff. They so far asI know my interactions, they've never sold

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it or marketed as a toy.It's always a spirit communication device. So
most warned me about it, likeoh, you don't know what you're opening
and stuff like that, and weneed to get into those ideas later.
But the big companies, no,it's always been marketed as a toy with
that little question, you know,like it's a toy. But is it.

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But the smaller vendors and the customizersno. Most of the time I
come across them, they claim moreit's a communication device. So all right,
moving on. So the first writtenaccount that I found was eighteen seventy
six, and then the let's seethat was that was not actually for a

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a mass produced board. This descriptionhere from eighteen seventy six. It was
more or less this is what youdo. You can actually paint it on
a table if you want it likea regular table has to be smooth.
And then you actually painted the lettersand numbers on there, made your own
board, do it yourself one.It wasn't until eighteen eighty six, ten

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years later that the New York Tribuneactually put a story out saying that it
had become really really popular and thatpeople were making them, beginning to make
them, and I think there waslike a small company that started to make
them but never pattent it. Theydidn't pattent it. And it was Elijah
Bond that finally patented the first Wuijiboard in February eighteen ninety one, So

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he was the first one to actuallyput a patent on it. There's other
boards before that though, which isreally interesting to know, UM, because
they were called witch boards and therewas what was it called UM The ws
Read Toy Company of Massachusetts put outa device strikingly similar to the new plantchet
and the new planchet in here meansthe Luigi board UM talking board. So

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that was in eighteen eighty six,and then again four years later Elijah Bond
actually patented the entire thing, andthen he teamed up with Charles Kennard and
they did the Kinnard Toy Company,so they started producing that until and this

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again this is going to be shorthistory. There's a lot more involved with
this that I just can't get intoin the scope of this this show.
Pretty soon William Fudd had been hired. He was taken on as a kind
of an apprentice, it looks like, and then it looks like in eighteen

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ninety seven he leased the rights tothe Guigi board and then developed his own
board, and he was the onethat really rocketed the marketing campaign for it,
and they sold millions million It actuallysays Williams sold millions of Wuigi boards
millions. I don't really think they'reso dangerous. If he sold millions and

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there's millions out there, so andit was actually funny because in Let's See,
they don't give a year. ButWilliam Fudd was interviewed about what he
thought about the WUIGI board, andhis response was that he was Presbyterian and
didn't believe that it was a mediumof communication with the parted spirits, but

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at the same time he thought thatthe UIGI was a reliable advisor in matters
of business and personal life. Andhe actually goes on to explain something more
or less like a psychological effect wherebasically, you know the answers and it's
much easier for you to ask yourshout the question and instead of just actually
talking yourself, you're you're still talkingto yourself, but the other half that's

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talking is doing it through the board, which seems like just a hard way
of talking to yourself. And unfortunately, in February nineteen twenty seven, William
Fudd had an accident and he passedaway. He died from an accident at
one of the factories in Baltimore,and then his kids took over Let's See.

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In nineteen sixty six, the kidsretired and sold the business to Parker
Brothers, who has had it eversince, and that is my quick thing.
Let's see. Oh, there's afew more notes I highlight it.
Let's see. In early nineteen ninetynine, after thirty three years, Parker
Brothers stopped manufacturing the classic fud Wuijiboard and switched to a smaller, less

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detailed, glow in the dark version, this one. And then let's say,
uh. After that, oh,they had the tagline It's only a
game, isn't it. Ha,that's funny. Then in two thousand and
eight, Oh, this is fun, this is really fun. Two thousand
and eight they introduced the controversial pinkone, which is this one. Let

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me make sure I don't break anything, so this one. I actually had
the bag too that went with it. Hold on a second, stay there,
don't go anywhere. Here's the pinkbag that went with it. And
I think I might have the cardsthat are still in here. Let me
say yep, oh there the planchetnice pink one. And then this one.

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This is why it's my favorite.It came with cards, so in
case you weren't like ready to askquestions, it came with cards so you
could actually pick them, and theyhad questions on them. Would you do
anything? For me, Will Iever be a famous musician? Let's see

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what else? What else we got? Oh, there's one I want to
know. Will I be rich someday? If I could trade places with any
famous person? Who would it be? And it goes on and on.
There's there's probably about I would say, like fifty cards in here. It's
very stylish. Don't you think it'stotally me? Totally me? All right?

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So that was that, and thenlet's see they did in twenty thirteen
they Parker Brothers again changed it bygoing a little darker. And that came
with the rid of that came darkerwith this one. And this has the
uv UV light, which there arehidden messages on this board that you read

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with the UV light, which ispretty cool. Again, I don't think
you can actually see them see itbecause of a lights in here or too
bright, but pretty cool stuff.Pretty cool stuff. So now that I
gave you a little bit of history, let me get into some of the
questions. Let me try and catchup here, because I see, I
see there's a lot of comments,and I'm sorry that I was ignoring the

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questions, but I wanted to getthrough the history first, and uh,
maybe give you fuel for other questionsthat would come up, so and and
do me a favor like Bob's doing. If you do have a question,
please put the letter Q capital Qfirst and then your question, because that
helps me differentiate between um, youguys having conversations and chat room and then

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questions that are actually directed towards me. Wow, I need a shave,
damn. All right, So Bob'sgot another question here. Oh wait,
no, that was the question thatI read already. All right, let
me keep going. And oh,Carol says Poltergeist. So what did you

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guys say that? Did the chipchallenge actually move? I don't know.
I don't actually see what fell behindme, but let me move this out
of a way, because I knowI'm going to hit that. All right.
So Tommy, Hey, Tommy,how are you doing? From YouTube?
He says. I've got a friendwho who says he was in a
room with a talking board that waseither broken or burned, and he swears

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he saw a black form come outof it. I don't know what to
even say to him about it.Wow. First of all, I love
your profile picture. I think that'sreally cool. Second, I've heard a
lot of stories about this that aresimilar to this where people say that something
came out of the wigi board andI've I have these. Let me get

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this question out of a way.I have all these ones, including my
favorite one, the drinking board.That's my favorite board, but that's not
a weigi board. But I haveall these plus different versions. This one
back here is an adult party wigiboard or talking board, definitely much different
than your your normal one. ButI also have maybe like seven or eight

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others on the floor over here,plus a few more down in the basement.
I've had them all out and nothinghas ever happened. I've always tried
to, you know, I guessI'm challenging it because i want something to
happen, and I've never seen anythingcome out of the board. I've heard
stories about shadow figures or other thingslike smoke kind of coming out of the

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of the board, but I've neveractually seen it. There's never been pictures
or video, or at least nonethat were legit. But otherwise, yeah,
that's that's a little hard to getinto because we don't know. We'd
have to actually be there or getmore detail from what's going on. And
even if it's broken or burned.I mean, I don't know if someone's

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going to ask that later on.But I've also heard that story about you
can't burn a board, which isto me, it's kind of silly.
I don't get it because I've I'veburned one. I've set one on fire.
It burned. Because I mean,they're they're made of just usually it's

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like cardboard or compressed board, um, compressed cardboard or particle board. Um.
These new ones are very I thinkthis is just compressed cardboard or plywood
as opposed to these ones. Theseare good solid wood. I like them,
the old ones, They're really good. All right. So I don't

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know if I kind of answered yourstatement there or not. We don't have
to get more detail. But Iif you're looking to say, like or
looking for an answer like what youshould tell him or what you could say
of Tim, I would say,describe it, you know, describe more
detail. What did what did youactually see a black form? Like?
What's that mean? Besides black?What what does form mean? Because I

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mean this is a form. Uh, this is a form, she's a
form? Um? What's we needmore detail on that? So I would
definitely ask for more details, allright, let me move on here.
Um oh, Robert says, myOne Chip Challenge moved. One Chip Challenge

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moved. Hm. Maybe I becauseit's that's that's if anything's a demon,
that that thing is. Oh mygod. If you guys haven't seen the
One Chip Challenge episode one, whycan't I say that One Chip Challenge episode
that I did with j d Ohmy god, go watch it. And

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I mean, even if you wantto to skip to the end, I
think the last half hour of thatshow. Um oh, it's funny because
you get to watch us suffer.Let's see who they're ready, They're here,
They're here, Yes, I wishthey would. I still have the

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the blinky doll, so I'm waitingfor her to she's over here because I
need it room for um for theLuigi boards. So I'm I'm waiting for
her to blink with me. Ihave been doing scaring staring contest, but
she doesn't blink, so oh well, all right, let me move Let
me move on here. Stacy says, dude, what happened to my top

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fan pain? I don't know,are you slacking? I'm not sure it
might be if you're I don't knowif you're looking on because I'm not streaming
to every every platform that I have. I'm only streaming to a few and
then sharing it. I'm streaming streamingto w LFE, dash dB Network and
then my I Am Kenny Biddle pageand then my YouTube channel. So if

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you were watching before on a differentpage, then that might be why it's
not there. How do you becomea top fan? Donna asked, well,
you gotta watch. You gotta behere all the time. So every
Friday night, I expect you tobe right there there listening to me.

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Babylon m oh and. Donna says, you'll have you have to be the
most active fan. It says,oh, okay, all right, so
let me keep going, Let mekeep going. There's nice uh uh uh,
here we go. My buddy Josh, what's up? Ticker? Ticker

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says, don't get don't even getme started. I made a whole video
in Hasbro's eight plus Family game.Questions on the back, like does Jimmy
know I like him? Who toldhim? And I'll get sucker, what
a joke? He actually sent mea video Weigi spells fun, He says,
check out this video I made.When you have the chance a bit

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outdated, but fun off to lookat it, look at it later.
Oh my goodness, have you anyany any experiences ticker have you done?
Have you played with the Wigi board? Any freaky things happen? I know
if anybody has had weird things happen, it's gotta be you. It's gotta
be all right. Let me keepgoing. Uh, magic eight ball board.

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I do have a magic eight ballwhere's that? Uh somewhere? I
love a few of them around here. I was actually gonna come up with
a biddleboard because I thought, like, I love weugie boards so much.
I love talking boards. I thinkthey're really cool, and I really want
to come up with a biddleboard.So if you guys have ideas about what
I could include on the biddle boardbesides rum, because that's just a given.

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Um, let me know and I'llstart working on it. Maybe i'll
work on it the next couple ofweeks and and see what's going on.
H let's see why am I freezingup? Hm? That's not good,
Josh says toy quote unquote toy Wuijiboards are like the Zach Baggins of boards.

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Oh Josh, you're so funny,let's say Tarot cards. Oh how
twenty one says Tarot cards are greatfor that too. I have a whole
bunch of Tarot cards. I actuallyI would reach over there, but then
you wouldn't just see how fat Iam if I reach over there. But

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I do have a stack of Tiretcards that I've played with. I probably
have maybe two dozen sets, andI mean, unfortunately for me, they're
pretty much the same as a Wuijiboard. It's pretty much interpretation and what
you want to do. I don'treally put too much stock in them,

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even though I've had I've had mycards read. I guess that's what you
call it. I've had my cardsread, cards read, and it's funny,
like I've done it. There wasone time when I went three times
in a row, four times ina row, and had my cards read,
all within like an hour or two, and they were all completely different
stories. Donna says, Wegi boardswere always fun hanging with friends in the

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middle of the morning when you wereall overtired. That's when fun things happen.
Yeah, because you were all overtiredfrom that sleeping and getting drunk all
night. Because I know she wasan alcoholic when she was young. No,
I'm kidding. I'm gonna get inso much trouble for that. Carol
Love says we had one back inthe league sixties. It said I would

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marry John. I've never even dateda John. Yes, make jokes.
I used to play. I usedto play, Oh, here's the plan
chet for my drink game, mydrinking game. I actually got this one
from my friend Rick Fisher, whoran a museum out in a Lancaster area
of Pennsylvania, and he got thisfor me, which is really really cool.

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I love it. Oh, I'mgonna play this later. So I've
played with them. I've actually playeda few times when I've gotten together with
friends and played with them, butnothing has ever happened. I actually there
was one time, so I hada bunch of friends come over and we
did like a testing night where itwas me, Um, Mitch, Steph,

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Cat, Jesus and Donna and wewere all there. We were all
taking turns, but playing with itand trying to figure out, Okay,
what what could make this plan chetmove? What could what could do it
that? Not spirit wise or ghostwise, but what physical factors could actually

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make this move or seem like it'smoving. And the number one thing that
we found after a few hours ofplaying with it was fatigue when you're when
you're actually holding your arms up onthe table because you're not supposed to put
your elbows down because you know,if the plan chet moves, you gotta
follow it, so you don't wantyour elbows sliding, so you keep your

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elbows up all the time, andyou get fatigued. It's very easy,
within like two or three minutes toget fatigued, and it could be shorter
than that. It should be,could be longer than that. But as
you get fatigued, you drop yourarms a little bit, and if you
drop your arms, that little changeis enough to um uh break the what

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is it, um break the surfacetension of the planchet legs with the board,
especially because most of them have feltfelt tips on the on the legs,
and it's easy to break that tension, that surface tension and slide make
it slide. So once um it'sthat tension was broken and it started the

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slide a little bit, we foundthat everybody kind of went along with it
until somebody else, you know,you were outstretched enough where you stopped.
And we found that was the numberone calls. The biggest thing was though
it didn't go back and forth aroundthe board, it usually went in one
direction and stopped. Um either itstopped when someone reached the end of their

(33:52):
travel or the reach, or itwent off the board, so we didn't
have anything going around like crazy spawnout messages. I really was hoping something
like that would happen, but itnever did. Let's see, Stacy says
my sister and I tried at onceand ran out of the room when it
shifted slightly. How old were youwhen this happened? Because I know,

(34:16):
like when you're playing when your kidsteenagers or even younger than that, and
you have one and you're playing withit, Yeah, it can be scary,
especially if you watched on a horrormovie or something scary, or you're
telling scary stories and you're getting yourselfin the mood. Yes, I'm sure
that playing with one and having theplanchet like move slightly would set you off

(34:39):
because you're not expecting it. Whoever'splaying with you aren't. They're not expecting
it, and it's very easy tobe like, oh shit, you know
that. That's scared the hell outof me. I remember doing it once.
I remember doing it once. Iwas at all of it. We
were at a friend's house. Thiswas probably like during high I think it

(35:02):
was during high school. We wereat a front's house. It was all
of our It was me and acouple other guys and our girlfriends had all
stayed over one of the one ofthe girls houses, and it was the
next morning. We went over earlyand we were hanging out and they're all
playing in the driveway. So it'soutside, and if you hung out the

(35:23):
front window, they had two windowsthat opened up and you could hang out
and look down. You look down, straight down at the board. So,
being who I am, I decidedto fill up a water balloon and
it was let me say, Ialmost busted something inside of me that I

(35:46):
when. I laughed so hard becauseas they were asking questions and they were
like, give us a sign,and that was the question I was waiting
for. As soon as they saidgive them this, give us a sign,
I dropped the water balloon. Boom, hit the plan chet. I
mean it was spot on, hitthe plan chat boom burst all over the
place. Scared the fuck out everyone. Oh my god, I'm gonna laugh

(36:09):
about that all night now I wantto think about that. That's great,
good times, good times. Uhoh, Stacy married to John. M
Maybe that message that Carol got wasfor you. Hm hmm, all right,
let me catch up here. Ninetwenty Wow, I'm like seventeen minutes

(36:32):
behind on the comments. Let metry to catch up here. Uh.
John was a popular name when weplayed as well, exactly, Donna.
I mean that's that's one of thethings that we have to look for when
you start asking for names, andthen I mean this, this is true
for like wedge boards or tarift cardsor um psychics, mediums and stuff.

(36:52):
When they start giving names, youhave to look for the popular names,
what's common. So John, yes, John is a very very common name.
So I wouldn't be it wouldn't betoo impressed if somebody said, oh,
I see a John, Like,all right, I see lots of
John's. Yeah, narrow it down, give me a last name. That

(37:14):
would be great. I always wonderthat, like they get the first name,
but the last name is always justnot there. Hm hm, Bob
says. Bob asks why was itcontroversial? And I'm assuming you mean this
board and I don't have an officialstatement on why this is controversial, but

(37:37):
I'm pretty sure that the idea wasthat when it was just this was released
in two thousand and eight, um, so wougiboards already had a bad rap,
especially with with you know, yourreligious communities and stuff. So to
market a board directly to own girls, complete with all those questions, and

(38:02):
some of those questions I read somereally lame one lame ones. Other questions
when I went through the deck werelike what boy likes me? How do
I get this boy to go outwith me? And stuff like that.
So you can imagine the kind ofanswers that might come up with, you
know, if you have friends thatare dicks. So to market I guess,

(38:23):
exclusively to young girls I think wasthe controversy because it was like,
all right, this is not foreveryone, or it's not marketed to everyone,
which again, you know, likereligious groups. I'm sure had a
problem with these anyway, But totarget young ladies specifically, I think I

(38:45):
think that was what set them off. I don't know, I mean,
that's just my opinion. I reallydon't know what the actual reason was.
But I saw this and I waslike, I gotta have it, and
this is a great story. SoI got this board because my wife's family
would do a Pollyanna because she hasa large family, and they would do

(39:08):
a Pollyanna and every year he wouldget together, they would have like a
dinner thing where everyone would get together. Yeah, dinner and you goof off.
But you wrote down like three thingsthat you want it, that you
really really want it, and ithad to be like under a certain price,
because you know, no one's richexcept for rich people. So I

(39:31):
remember writing my list out and Ithink I only wrote this on it,
Like I said, I want theParker Brothers Pink special Edition Weigi board.
And it's really cool because like you'retalking about Italian Catholic family and I'll ask

(39:51):
you for a Weiji board. Ithought it was hilarious and I got it.
I got it. I was surprised. I forget who had me for
the Pollyanna, but whoever it was, I was so happy. That was
probably the best Pollyanna I've ever beento because I opened it up and some
of the faces were like, whatyou fucking got Ouiji board? Yeah damn

(40:15):
right. And I was starting aroundwearing a pink bag and everything because I'm
proud, uh, Stacy says,because it's evel. Uh. Oh,
here's a question from Tommy. Howdo the ghosts know if you're supposed to
be rich? Hmm, I'm notsure. I'm not sure. Maybe they

(40:37):
just spy on us because I hearstories like they watch us having sex and
they watch us in the bathroom andstuff. So who knows what ghosts though?
Another question from Tommy. Thank youfor using the queue because it picked
it out really quick. Oh samequestion. Oh man, what am I

(41:00):
doing here? Did I double upon that? I don't know? Oh,
it comes up twice? Wow,that was really that was weird.
Uh. Tim Vickers, what's up, Tim? He's in the house,
my fellow Three Tortured Souls co hostTim says, line of staircases, steps
out of weedy boards, then runa slinky, say it will be just

(41:22):
exaccurate. Oh, Tim, youjust gave me something to do tonight.
I think I have enough boards todo that. I don't have a slinky
though, but all right, tomorrownight I might be doing that. If
I can find a slinky tomorrow,I will take video and I will be
posting it on my YouTube channel soyou guys can see. Because that's just

(41:45):
the kind of stupid shit. Ilove doing it. Jad Sword says,
what's the proper technique to open clothesconduct a session? I've never used a
spirit board, all right, soI'm not I'm really not an expert in
this. But when we did whenI had my when when I got my
buddies together and we did our ourI guess study you would call it,

(42:09):
because we were trying to be asscientific as we could. We had controls
on it, we were making surewe weren't going out of our way to
fudge results or whatever. We weretrying to be as um stringent as possible
when we were playing with the boards. So what I did, I did
research it and I did look intodifferent I have several books up on my

(42:31):
shelf about Wuiji boards, and wewent on line and looked up how to
open it, how to close it, and there were different versions. It
really depends on who you talk to. Opening was literally Some of them said
you go in a circle box onwax off. Others did a figure eight.

(42:52):
Other people said just go around randomlyuntil you feel that it's ready,
and that didn't make sense because Ihave no fucking clue when it would be
ready. Um, it's not likean oven or a turkey that has the
little popper thing that comes out.I don't know. Um, Oftentimes I've
read that, you know, youhave to move the planchet around to warm

(43:12):
it up. I don't. Idon't know how to respond to that,
but I guess it really depends onwhat you want to do. It really
does it. Honestly, it comesdown to it doesn't fucking matter. It
really doesn't because in the end,and yes, I'm gonna say it,
it's a toy. It's it's afreaking toy. Um. It's no worse

(43:35):
than like Monopoly. Will Actually,Monopoly is probably the worst fucking game out
there, and all you know whowhat I'm talking about. Um, but
other games like sorry and Connect fouror um, holy crap, what else?
Shoots and ladders? That's an evilgame. It's just a board game.
UM. I've done once. Idon't I don't know if I've talked

(43:59):
about this before, but I actuallyset up all these boards in my living
room once and played with them all, you know, moved all the plant
chets around, left them all outwith the plantchets on the boards, and
went to bed. And it wasvery excited because I was really hoping something
would happen, but nothing. Um, I've never seen a board do anything

(44:20):
spectacular like you would see in themovies or anything like that. But let
me get back to your question.Um, so opening, I covered closing
Usually I think people would you haveto make sure you go across goodbye,
or you have to say that youclose it. It's really weird because you

(44:42):
got to think about it. Thisis like all magic. It's rituals,
it's spells, it's reciting things,saying okay, you're not allowed to come
through. And honestly, if you'reif you're if you're worried about demons coming
through, let's try to do thismetaphor, if you're worried about demons coming
through, you have to treat thedemon like a burglar. That if they

(45:07):
want to come into your house,you standing there saying okay, I'm closing
the door you're not allowed in.Isn't gonna do shit. Like we don't
have magic powers, we don't havespells. That's not going to work.
So I don't get the whole closingThingum making sure you say could buy,

(45:28):
or closing the door the metaphorical door. I don't get that. If someone
wants to explain that to me,I'd be happy to talk to you.
I'm not going to be um.I won't talk down to you or or
make fun of you or anything.I honestly want to know the reasoning behind
that, or why why you thinkthis works. It would be an interesting

(45:52):
conversation and I would totally get intothat. As for conducting a session,
from what I read, you basicallyask questions, and the idea is that
you don't know who you're talking to, but you ask questions anyway, and
you see what gets spelled out.And that's my problem because I suck at

(46:13):
spelling anyway. I mean, ifit wasn't for spell check, most of
my emails would be indecipherable, reallybad. So not only would it suck
trying to keep track of the letters, especially by memory, because you're moving,
if your hands are on the planchet, you have to keep track

(46:35):
of the letters, but trying tospell out what they mean. I mean,
some of these, like the olderones, actually don't have an older
one all online. They all haveholes in them, But older plan chets
didn't have the whole you point itto it. So with the whole,

(46:58):
I think there's a problem because dependingon how you're looking, your angle of
view, you might see a differentletter than somebody else. So there's always
that problem. And then there's otherproblems with just when when when you when
you take away the players and I'mgonna call him players, when you take

(47:20):
away the player's ability to see theboard, then it causes a lot more
problems. Um. When I hadMark Edward on He's the professional mentalist,
he was actually part of a TVshow that explored Um, I think it
was part of bullshit, Um Pennand Teller's Bullshit. He was on that
show and they did tests where theyshowed like, if you blindfolded the players,

(47:44):
they actually scored better if they knewthe orientation of the board because they
had a pretty good idea where theletters were. But if you changed that,
if you switch the board around,they had no clue, which tells
you something about the spirits. Um, if if the spirits are actually directing
the plan chet, then then whatI mean, are they fucking blind?

(48:07):
Like, what's what's the deal withthat? If they can't spell because you
move the board ninety degrees. M. I don't know. It seems silly
to me, all right, letme move on. Thank you. J
D appreciate it. Uh. StacyIdiomotor reflects, that's pretty much it.

(48:29):
Uh hell twenty one. I lovethe name toxic smoke from burning plastic laminate
or a demon. I'm not sureI know. I mean this. I'm
not afraid to burn this because Idon't know, Like I wouldn't burn this
because that's like a collector's away.As far as I'm concerned, this one

(48:51):
these old ones. This is thisis solid particle board. Um, so
this should go up really good.The sticker on the front, because that's
what it is. It's just alabel. Would probably melts and give you
some black smoke, but I don'tthink a lot. But these other boards,
they're wrapped around, so there's asticker. This is actually a sticker

(49:15):
on the front. But this thisis printed on but it's still it just
feels like cardboard to me, soI don't actually think it's you put this
back up. I would be worriedif that was on fire, because who
knows what kind of shit is comingout there. I wouldn't I want to

(49:36):
I wouldn't be near it when itwas burning. But it's funny. I
think that's funny. Um like funny, haha. When people, because I've
come across a few people that havesaid that they've burned the boards, that
they've lit it on fire because theyhad weird experiences. They lit it on
fire, they put it out inthe trash to burn, and then they

(49:57):
find it the next morning. Ifanyone, and I'm talking anyone wants to
do that experiment with me, ifyou want to show me, if you
thoroughly believe that happens, I willcome to you within reason. You know,
it has to be within driving distanceand on the weekend when I have
time, but I will absolutely comeout there and take part in that.

(50:22):
I will help you burn that fuckingboard, as long as it's not like
a you know, a rare one, because then I'll take it. But
I'll help you burn the board andI'll sleep over to see if it shows
up the next morning, because Iseriously doubt that it does. When people
tell me that story, that's oneof the few times when I just flat

(50:42):
out don't believe them. And Ireally try to give everyone the benefit of
the doubt when it comes to claims. I really I like to listen.
I like to go with them andtry to do experiments to see what's going
on, to see if we canfigure out, you know, really what's
going on behind the scenes. Butwhen it comes to the claim that they
burned a talking board, a Wuijiboard, and it the same exact board

(51:07):
appeared the next morning, like mybullshit meter is like pinging, you know,
it's it's pegged at the deep end, going no. So I know
that might sound kind of harsh,but that's where I am with that.
Uh let's say. Uh, Donnasays Kenny Ball should have instructions with some

(51:30):
of these boxes. Oh I do. I'm sure I do. Um,
I have, Mom, that wasa bunch of stuff, all right,
that was one board. I probablyknocked that over anyway, I do have
instructions that come with some of these. Um. The only box that I

(51:51):
can actually reach is the Bob's board, and that's a different kind of instructions.
That's more of a story. SoI'm not going to get into that.
Uh well should I Maybe I shouldbecause I want to pick this board
up so I don't actually run itover and my infinity Gaullet all right,
so let me see I have ohwait, there's the Stranger Things box.

(52:15):
Let me see if there's instructions inthis one. Uh, there's instructions on
the box here, So let mesee what's this say. By the way,
the Stranger Things best planchet love that, so let's see assemble the plan

(52:37):
chet blah blah. Begin your questgently, place the planchet in the center
of the Luigi board. Gathered closelyaround the board, and try to be
chill their hip. Each player placedtwo fingers lightly on the plan chet.
Ask your questions. Let the bravestamong you ask the first question. Always

(52:57):
speak slowly and literally. Contacting theupside down, oh, because it's yeah,
it's the Stranger Things. That's whythey're staying upside down. Contacting the
upside down is never easy. Bepatient. If the plantchett doesn't move,
ask another question and focus. Focus. When you're finished asking questions, move

(53:21):
the planchet to goodbye. Then checkthe walls for strange shapes and tell yourselves
it was just a game. Sothat's the instructions. That's yeah, that's
the instructions that came with the StrangerThings one. I don't know if the
instructions are different or much more involvedwith the other boards or not, but
that's the basic idea. So thereyou go, thanks, Donna. Uh

(53:45):
say, JD says, you youhave to do some specific mumbo jumbo to
close the gate or whatever. Right, Nah, I just say, hey,
I'm going to bed lock out beforeyou leave. Hyeah. Josh Hamilton
says, have you seen the ZachBaggins edition? Instead of a planchet,

(54:08):
you just have to be very verballyabusive to him. Work great in domestic.
Oh my god, it's terrible.Oh my god. He really doesn't
have an addition, does he?He doesn't have a board, does he
really? I hope not. Ihope not. I definitely want to do
the Biddle board though, I definitelydo all right. JD has a question.

(54:32):
Show that one I sent you.I never saw it out of the
box. How does it look it? Oh? Okay, so let me
get this here. I want tomake sure I don't break it. This
is very delicate. Oh everything's gonnafall, all right. So this is

(54:52):
one that JD sent me. It'snot it's not a board, per se.
Yeah, I leave. It's actuallylike a dinner tray because it's got
beveled edges. Let me see ifyou can see that, see how it
raises up here? And it raisesup all around the edges. This is
kind of old. It's from Haske. It doesn't have a date on it,

(55:15):
but it's from Haske. Um.I actually have a we have one.
I have an Egyptian board from that, but it's it's cracked in a
few places, so that's why I'mbeing very delicate with it. Let's say
over here and here, so it'sI actually glued it together so it would
be okay. But this is prettyold. I think I showed this last

(55:38):
time, last episode or two episodesago, and somebody actually came up and
said it was pretty old. Iforget the year that they gave me,
but they looked it up. Butthis is really cool. I definitely love
this, and I keep this backhere just so it doesn't get um.
I don't like handling it because Idon't want to damage it anymore because it's

(56:00):
really cool. Until I get um, I want to get a shadow box
for it, um so I canhang it out. But I'm gonna put
this back here for now so itdoesn't get damaged. Very carefully. All
right here we go? Okay,good. Uh, let's say Kathy says,

(56:22):
actually, you can burn the boardsI've done it in the past.
I mean, I've done it oncejust because it was an old board that
was all messed up anyway, andand I didn't have any problem, didn't
pop up. I mean, honestly, I fucking love that. That'd be
so cool if I toss it inthe trash, like all burned. Actually,
maybe we'll do that one night.We'll have a party or like a

(56:43):
we have a um, a firea fire pit, That's what I'm trying
to say. We have a firebitfire pit out back next to our tiki
bar. Um. Maybe I'll dothat. I'll find like a two dollars
yard sale Buiji board um that Ialready have like a copy of, and
we'll see if we can. We'lldo a little video on that too.

(57:05):
That'd be cool. Hey Daniel,Hey, thanks for coming. Buy it
man. Good to see you.How late is that? Hell? I'm
still Oh my god, I'm sofar behind, so far behind on comments.
I hope you're still here, Daniel. But this is good. I'm
glad. I'm getting a lot ofquestions and comments that I'm going through.

(57:27):
This is really nice. Let's see, I have two minutes. I'm gonna
play my commercial in two minutes,So I'm gonna I'm gonna address one more
comment, play my commercial, andI'll come back and I address the rest
of them. So let's see.Tommy says, I kind of want to
buy whichever one he thinks is legitand do whatever we need to do to
get that form out and sit withhim and do it. Dude, do

(57:51):
it, I say, do it, and not only do it, but
film it. Definitely film it,and between you and me and everyone else
that's watching live and on the replay, I would set up two cameras.
I would set up a camera likein the corner to get the widest view
and really not say anything. Imean, if you can set that up

(58:13):
before he before your friend shows up. I know it's kind of like shady,
but you want to make sure justin case somebody messes around, or
if there's other people and something getsaccidentally bumped, which happens a lot,
you want to have some kind ofwide view to see that. But I
would definitely set up a camera inthe corner and then have another camera that's

(58:36):
obvious, and then definitely get permissionto be filmed or to film. But
this gives you not only a closeup view, but then you have the
wide angle view, which gives youtwo perspectives on what's going on. But
I definitely would would film it.Okay, I did that pretty quick,
So I'm going to do one morequestion, Bob. Bob says, speaking

(58:58):
of games, I know I losthorribly because I am not a clarenvoyant.
But are you revealing what is inthe box tonight from earlier in the week.
Oh you mean this box? Ohyes, I will be. I
will be actually if my lovely wifeis watching still, um, please can
you bring me my keys because Ihave damn it, I forgot to bring

(59:22):
up my keys to unlock it.But I will. Yeah, I definitely
will open this up. I mighthave to run down during the break,
you know what. That's what I'mgonna do. I'm gonna play my commercial
and I'm gonna run down and uhand grab my keys so I have them,
and then I'll be right back.So let me see where's my commercial.
Where's my commercial there? Oh?Wait, nope, that's not it.

(59:45):
That's not it. Oh, that'sit there it is, Okay,
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I really do have to reduce minethough, because it's a I don't
like the audio on it. Butall right, so let's let's get back.

(01:01:17):
Let's get back. Um, Kathywants to know. Did you do
the answers for the contest test?No, I did not. I'm gonna
save that to the end, soyou still have about half hour to forty
minutes before I get to that.Let's see, hell twenty one hasks.
Have you used aboard yourself? Yes, yes I have. I've used pretty

(01:01:39):
much everyone here except for these two. This. Let's see. I want
to do the other one first.This one is a it's kind of rare
um. I think it's really rare, but it's an adult party one.
I don't remember the exact history ofthis. I did look it up,

(01:02:00):
but apparently the guy that invented thisone saw the other Luigi boards and he
felt they were more like children's gamesbecause they were pretty simple and not really
involved. And if you have adultsthat really want to have messages or get
more conversation out of it, thenit took too long to use a regular

(01:02:22):
talking board to get the answer.So this is actually if you I'll try
and put it up here. Yougot lots of words, lots and lots
of words. You have the lettersin them in the middle with the numbers
so you can go there, butlots of words all over the place,
which honestly, if I was aghost looking at this, I'd be like,

(01:02:45):
fuck you man, get the otherboard. This is too difficult.
Look at all this stuff. Thisis way too much. But that's one
I picked up at a yard sale, which was a cool, fun,
very cool. Fine. Let's say, uh question, Oh okay, let

(01:03:07):
me say always, let me gothrough these, let me go through these
to fan. Um, let's say, what's Bob saying to fan? I
don't know who fan is. Yougot to comment as much as Bob does
because virtually he never shuts up becausebut basically but because of social anxiety when

(01:03:29):
in person, I never talk.I know you do. You are quiet
in person, Bob, but youtalk a lot here. But says okay,
oh you have a board, thoughthis is actually a board I picked
up. I picked this up oneBay because I came into the game late.
Apparently this was released I think intwenty eighteen or twenty seventeen, and

(01:03:52):
there was a whole story behind itabout how it was. It was allegedly
designed by a serial killer and thatum, he did it after he uh,
he killed a whole bunch of people, and he wanted to make amends.
Um, I guess, and hedesigned this board in a way that
there were secret messages so you couldfigure out what some where some of the

(01:04:14):
bodies were. UM. And likeI guess, it was about like six
months ago where I saw a linkto this and I started researching it.
They have a website, but it'sreally it's it's shitty, honestly, and
they offer a cash prize like aI think it was like fifty grand or

(01:04:35):
something if you could decipher what wasum, decipher the message that was hidden.
Because there's stuff all over. I'llput it up here. I'll let
you get a little closer look.I'll try and get the glare out there.
But there's all kinds of little picturesand stuff. The box itself has

(01:04:56):
different symbols. Actually show you thebox to if you want. Uh,
let's see. This is the boxSport. And from what I understand,
it was a gaming company, aboard game company that was trying to do
a startup and they figured that theywere gonna put this out Those eyes look
familiar. They were gonna put thisout as like a promotional thing and get

(01:05:20):
people really interested. And they gaveaway a lot, Like there were a
couple ghosts on groups that got messagesand I actually remember getting a message from
this and a message from the companythat was doing it. You had to
email them and give them like Idon't know, just email them and request

(01:05:41):
a free board to test out,and they would send you one. I
emailed. I never got one,but apparently a bunch of other groups did,
and there I go hitting stuff again. So there was a bunch of
boards out, and I think therewas one conference, like a paranormal conference
where the uh, the guy thatdid it, gave out a whole bunch

(01:06:02):
of boards, like a hundred boardsor something like that. Don't quote me
on that, but and then itdied out. It just died out.
It's it's not a I mean theuh. I guess it just didn't catch
on because you could get other boards. This was kind of expensive. It
was I think I paid like thirtyfive forty bucks for it. UM.

(01:06:24):
And it's just it's basically it's nodifferent than a than a regular talking board.
It's regular pressed cardboard and then asticker. It's just a sticker that's
on the top. UM. Whichis why I'm convinced I can make a
biddle board. Who But it's coolanyway. And I actually figured out a

(01:06:45):
loophole where I think I'm gonna beable to give him shit, give the
people shit, and about paying methe prize money because of the mystery and
the rules and stuff. I founda loop hole. But you know that's
not going to happen, all right, So let me go through some of
these billboard the word energy. Oh, here we go. Hmm, Hey

(01:07:14):
John Holmes, nice to see you. All right. Uh, let's see.
Let's see, I'm going through,going through, looking for a queue,
looking for a queue. Uh wait, Josh says. When I told
you about the time I watched somethingfly off the table when I was younger,
it was the board. So Ienjoy collecting them, but I no

(01:07:35):
longer use them. Ever. Ienjoy collecting them. If people want to
get rid of rid of them,I take them, like I'll take the
board and I'll take the plant chad, because I think they're actually like really
cool looking, you know. Ithink it's a form of art. The
designs are really cool. Although manyof them are mass produced. I mean

(01:07:57):
some of them, like this thisthing back here, it's pretty rare.
I have an Egyptian board that's areally Did I bring it up? I
don't think I did. Um.I have one that's an Egyptian board that's
also made by the same company thatmade the one that JD sent me,
and it's it's a huge it's prettybig. But it's really thick too.

(01:08:17):
It's like it's over a quarter inchthick, which is a lot more than
these things. Um. Actually,I think it's like a half inch thick.
And that's really old too. Thatone. I actually talked to Robert
merch Um, the guy that runsthe Museum of Talking Boards. I talked
to him about and to get hisinput, and he's like, yeah,
that's that's pretty old and pretty rare, so pretty cool. I haven't seen

(01:08:42):
anything, duh. I haven't seenanything fly off. Um. Although maybe
because they're all out, maybe I'lljust send them up and I'll actually put
like blinky in the in the middleof all tonight until my wife yells up
the stairs. No, let's see. Um. Tiffany, Hi, Tiffany,

(01:09:08):
that's a great profile picture. Holyshit, that's funny, she says.
Tiret cards can tell a great story, so easy to tie them together.
I agree. Um, I thinkthe interpretations the basic stories behind them.
Allows for if you're a good storyteller, you can easily have a flow
going. You can have a storyjust flowing through as you read the cards,

(01:09:30):
especially when you put them out inthe different patterns, depending on what
pattern that you use. Um,and then they're out, you can look
at them for a minute and thengo with the story. And then also
when you get feedback from the sitter, of course, you know they can
fill in the details and give youmore material. Uh, let's say what

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Carol Love says billboard, A fewbaggins. That's that's actually good. I'm
gonna write that down as soon asI find a pen up there's one,
because I like that I need thesethings to help design my biddleboard. So
few baggins. Maybe I'll try andfigure out how to do the whole like

(01:10:17):
UV thing, and I'll just putlike hidden messages in it that you need
you need this special planchet to do. That would be cool. Uh.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Idon't know what this is for. Um,
I'm not sure, but I don't. I don't. If this is

(01:10:39):
not to ingest, then I suggestyou understand the rules here. Um,
there'd be nice. If you're notnice, then I will eject you.
So let's let's stop this. Um. I don't know if there's more comments
later on, but I will nottolerate this. So be nice. Let's

(01:11:00):
see um going through. Oh oh, I see other stuff. So you
are now gone? All right?Wow, good one. So that guy
was officially the first one that Ihave removed from the show. He is

(01:11:24):
now blocked and it will not beallowed to come back on. I don't
like that. I enjoy civil conversationbetween people. We can have different beliefs,
we can disagree, but this ismy show, and I mean one
of the roles is be nice.Really be nice. And if you're not
going to be nice like that guywas, he was not nice, you're

(01:11:47):
fucking gone. So I didn't likethat. Oh, there we go.
This is a monumentous occasion because Ikicked out the first person. Dumb ass
all right, So, oh wait, Tim Vickers says, already drinking It
happens. Tim Vickers is funny whenhe's drunk, all right. So I

(01:12:13):
don't know, hell twenty one,I don't know why he was giving you
a shit, but hopefully we don'thave to worry about that all right,
Bob says, someone needs a toinvent a room Bob version of talking board
and just let it go wild.No one touches it. It just moves
randomly. I wonder if we coulddo because I have a rug like I

(01:12:33):
don't know, I've posted a picturebefore on my Facebook page, but I
have a rug that's I think it'slike six by five or six by five,
yeah, six by five, andit's a WEIGI board. It looks
like the standard REGI board. SoI wonder if I built like a like
just a quick wooden frame just twoby fours, you know around or one

(01:12:56):
by fours, and framed it outand just put a roomba in there.
I won't know because that would goto the edges. Right. I don't
have a rumba, so I'm notsure, but I'm I figured that would
just go to the edges and thenjust bounce around. So we'll have to
think about that. Well, we'llcome back to that, Bob. We'll

(01:13:17):
revisit that later. Uh, let'ssay. Donna says, there was always
with that one friend Kenny Biddle whomessed with the plan chat. Fuck,
yeah, yep, I did.I did Uh, because I'm that guy,
all right, keep going through,keep going. Hey John, how
are you doing? Good to seeyou, John, John, I am

(01:13:41):
coming down. Let's see, we'llsee. People usually are impressed when they
see it, John, Hey John, I am heading down your way Monday,
so I'll be down for two weeksin your area. So I mean,
if we can get if we cansafely get together and and maybe just
hang out somewhere open. I don'tknow what the rules are down there,
let me know as long as weyou know, safely do I don't want

(01:14:04):
to, you know, get anyonesick or get me sick, So let
me know. Let's say, CarolLove says, if a person on the
plan chet was contacting someone, itmoved. If no one on the plan
chet was related to the called person, nothing happened except once that one was

(01:14:25):
a bit freaky. So I'm notreally sure how to address this. But
I mean I've I've played with ita bunch of times and nothing has ever
happened. It's never moved unless Imoved it. And yes, I mean,
like my wife totally calls me outfor I was the one that moved
it. But because it got boring, you know, it really got boring

(01:14:47):
because it wouldn't move unless I didsomething, so I would fuck with other
people. I don't know if maybewe'll have to do that. Maybe maybe
I can convince my wife to nightafter after we're done here, maybe we'll
play with one and we'll see ifI can contact I have some friends that

(01:15:08):
have passed away, and maybe we'lltry and contact them and we'll see if
we can get some answers. I'lllet you know. Let's say, uh
um uh wait, Bob says,with regards to the controversy, Yeah,
what you said makes sense. Itend to think so. I think when

(01:15:29):
you target a specific group, especiallywhen you're targeting little kids, because the
questions in this pink bag are notfor adults. They are definitely young preteen
young teen girls and and yeah,I definitely think if you're targeting young girls
like that, yes, you're gonnaget some shit from parents. Hmm.

(01:15:55):
Let's say Tim Vickers says gender stereotypingin the questions. Yes, I mean
they're there. Let me see ifI get more is there funny? Let
me see what we got here?Oh the bag though, I seriously love
the fucking bag. Um. Let'ssay all right, so we have ones

(01:16:20):
that are like this. My secretadmirer is the best job I will ever
have? Will be? Um?Oh, here we go, Here we
go. How many children will Ihave when I grow up? I mean
that right there. That tells youwho they're targeting, right there. Um,

(01:16:45):
does name someone want to go outwith me? Uh? Oh?
Will I ever be a politician?No? Don't, just don't do it.
Uh oh, oh my god,here we go. I'm sure you
guys are gonna love this. IfI have to choose, will I have
a career or stay home with mykids? Oh? Oh my god,

(01:17:11):
I think I really think that thatis the gender stereotyping right there, So
I can totally see why they hadan issue with this, totally see.
Oh my god, that's horrible.All right, let's see um going down.
Stacy says, I still don't seehow people call it the scariest movie.

(01:17:34):
What do you? Oh? Arewe talking about the Exorcist? Maybe?
Let me I'm not sure where we'regoing with that. I don't know.
Let me know, are you talkingabout the Exorcist? Because I can
comment on that. I don't knowwhat the human centipede is. That sounds

(01:17:56):
like something I want to watch allright, Stacy, Uh yeah, it
looks like they are talking about theExorcist. So the Exorcist. You know
why, I think I've said thisbefore. The Exorcist, I never watched
it fully until maybe like two orthree years ago. I've seen parts of

(01:18:19):
it, and I actually saw awhile ago. I was researching an article
on Guiji boards, talking boards likehistory and modern uses and why people have
this stigma about it, and Ideliberately watched part of the Exorcist because I

(01:18:40):
want to see where the Wuiji boardshowed up. And I was really surprised
because I had never seen the wholemovie through and I was so surprised to
see that was in there. Ithink it's like a minute in six seconds
or it's just over a minute thatit's in there, like of screen time.
And I mean, the worst thingthat happens is that the plantchet shoots

(01:19:01):
off. That's it. There's nogrowling, there's no you know, people
getting thrown around or possessed or deepvoices and shit like that. You know,
it's just the plantchet kind of slidesoff the table and that's it.
They move on. No big deal. So um, yeah, about two
years ago, three years ago orsomething. I saw it. I saw

(01:19:24):
it was like on demand or something, and I was like, you know
what, I've never actually sat throughthis entire film. I've been to the
steps in what Jamestown, I thinkin Washington, d C. The steps
and the house that they used inthe movie. I've been there. I've
been on the steps. I walkedall the way up and down the steps,
I said, a lot of steps, and I've been outside the house.

(01:19:46):
But I've never seen the movie.So I sat through it all,
and I mean there was a fewtimes I laughed. I thought it was
funny. I didn't find it scaryat all. But I guess you have
to put yourself in the context ofthe time that when when it came out,
this was not something that was normal. Um. And I think,

(01:20:06):
uh, Stacy, Stacy, youyou kind of like hit on it a
little bit, being a saying thatyou were desensitized. I think that's with
a lot of us when we're usedto watching horror movies. I mean,
I watched horror movies with gore,lots of gore in it because I like
like zombies, and we watched WalkingDead. Um, I watched I've been

(01:20:30):
watching Van Helsing on Netflix and allthese other movies with a lot of gore,
um, a lot of dark themesand stuff. We're desensitized to it.
So when we go back to theolder films and look at something like
The Extracist, it's like, Okay, you know, big deal, she's
she's got a whole bunch of acneand she spits up pie suit. Big

(01:20:51):
deal. Um what else you got? And uh, I mean when I
saw The Crab Walk, I fuckinglaughed out loud. I thought that was
hilarious and just I don't know why, it just it made me laugh.
So yeah, I don't really findout to be the scariest movie at all.
But again it goes back to contextwhen we're talking about when it came

(01:21:15):
out, people weren't used to that, They weren't used to that kind of
film, about that kind of imageryshowing on screen. So I can see
how it could upset people. Andthen especially because I mean, honestly,
the good guys lost, I thinkin that because nothing really I mean,

(01:21:36):
the one priest throws himself outside thewindow, which if you're ever actually at
the house and the steps, thatcan't happen. It can't. It's not
possible. But um yeah, Imean eventually, I mean the priest eyes.
So it's not like the good guyswon, all right, So moving

(01:21:58):
on, These are great, goodquestions tonight. Oh my god, how
fun you know what? Like Iget down to the comments on the side
here on the sidebar, and it'slike, oh, you only have like
two or three questions or comments left. And as soon as I click on
the bar to move it down,it pops up and there's tons of comments.
Oh, let's see. Why doeseveryone hate monopoly? Oh, Bob,

(01:22:24):
that's because it's so competitive. LikeI don't know how many times we've
actually played, but we haven't playedMonopoly in this house years years because of
how competitive someone is not met.But I do have a Houdini version of

(01:22:45):
Monopoly, which actually has my nameon one of the properties because I helped
crowdsource it. So I'm willing toplay that game just because it's Houdini.
We just haven't gotten around to it. Mhmm, No, Dunn, I
am not a hater. O damn. It's heart of My wife is in

(01:23:09):
the chat room, calls me outon shit. All right, Oh,
Carol says when my believer. Frienddid it. We lit candles and she
said a prayer to bring the lightwhite or some such. I love how
you say some such. You knowwhen people use the Luiji board that I
think personal beliefs come into play.They think, you know, prayers will

(01:23:32):
help, or having some kind ofmedallion, like people sometimes wear a cross,
I wear a hammer, and theythink. You know, you see
people like bring a cross up andthey kissed across and it's that belief that
it's going to protect them. Andsaying a prayer and talking about white light.

(01:23:54):
I mean if that, I reallythink that's a placebo effect where it
helps you personally feel better if that'swhat you believe in. Does it actually
work? I don't think so,because I think any psychological effects from a
talking board are produced by you.So if you have some kind of countermeasure

(01:24:19):
like prayer or wearing a medallion orholding a medallion or saying the name of
somebody, if you think that helps, then of course your one psychological belief
is going to cancel out the otherpsychological belief. So yeah, I think
I really think it has to dowith personal perception. Ah, all right,

(01:24:45):
talking about movies. I love this. I really have to go back
through the comments sometimes and see whatkind of movie recommendations there are, because
you guys give some good movies.I think somebody actually mentioned Teeth last episode
or something, or maybe that wasa private conversation. I don't know if
you guys have ever seen Teeth,Oh my god, that is that is

(01:25:10):
something different. And if you've neverseen it, just make sure you're not
easily like grossed out. Um.That's all I gotta say. But definitely
watch Teeth, all right, TimVickers, Yes, there is a lot
of power in in a ritual.I agree. Um. I mean,

(01:25:32):
if I know a lot of religiouspeople don't like to think what they're doing
is is ritualistic, but it is. When you go through the motions,
when you say prayers, when youlike even the Son of the Cross that
they do. Um, it's aritual, it really is. It's something

(01:25:55):
that is intended to make you feelprotected or or or part of something or
yeah, I guess I guess protectedor or safe Maybe that's a good word
safe. Um. So the ritualsthat people do are you know, they're
powerful thing. It's it's a powerfulplacebo um. And I'm saying that from

(01:26:19):
my point of view, which isthat of a skeptic um. But if
you're a believer, you know it'snot a placebo to you, and and
I get it. I totally getit. I'm not trying even though it
sounds like I'm like demeaning it,I'm really not trying to. It's just
different perspective of the same thing,all right. So I do see a

(01:26:41):
queue. Awesome, I love that. Let's see. Carol says, can
you comment on the psychology research aboutusing them to reveal what isn't a person's
subconscious? No, I can't.I can't come on comment on the psychology
research because I actually haven't done anyresearch into that yet. I know I've

(01:27:04):
looked into it before, but itwas a while ago, so I can't
really bring it up. But Iwill give you my opinion. So,
psychology research about using them to revealwhat's in a person's subconscious, so I
think this really goes into the idiomotoreffect. So if you know something,

(01:27:26):
then usually you can answer the questionyourself. That's why a lot of people
talk to themselves because even though it'smore of a joke, especially with like
TV and movies and stuff like that, it's a joke when you talk to
yourself because it's like, oh,you're crazy. You're talking to yourself,
but it's not talking to yourself asa form of almost therapy where it gets

(01:27:47):
it out. You're talking out yourproblems, you're getting it out loud.
You're hearing to what it sounds like, so you can assess what you're hearing
and then given analysis of it.So I think when you're doing the planchet,
when you're asking questions with the planchetand the Luigi board, if you're

(01:28:08):
asking questions that you already know,especially because I think earlier it was brought
up. I don't know if itwas you, Carol or somebody else brought
it up that if you're trying tocontact someone that you love, like a
friend or a family, then itthe planchet moves. But if you're contacting
somebody you don't know, it doesn'tmove. So this kind of falls into

(01:28:29):
it because if you are trying tocontact someone that you do know, you
know them, you have some kindof relationship with them, either a friend
or a family, and you knowcertain things about them, it might not
be readily available, like you mightnot be able to accurately recall certain specific
details, but in asking questions,you can also give yourself general responses.

(01:28:56):
Through the planchet, you can spellout things like names, dates, and
get close to it. So Ithink there is definitely something to say about
if you have knowledge of the personthat you're trying to contact, then yes,
you're going to get some answers becauseyou're going to think about it.
It's it's the idiomotor effect is mostlymuscle movements, but it's based on the

(01:29:23):
fact that you know something. Youknow the answer. And the analogy that
I like to use is that likewhen you're driving a car. If you're
driving the car never goes straight,you never go on a straight line.
You're constantly making micro adjustments as you'reholding the steering wheel. You're constantly doing

(01:29:44):
this. You're not thinking about it. You're not thinking, oh, I
need to go a little bit thisway, I need to go a little
bit that way. Oh I'm alittle bit too far that way. Let
me course correct, let me gothis way. These are natural things that
are coming to you and you're justdoing them. You're not thinking about them
there subconsciously, so you know whatyou have to do and you're acting out
what you have to do, butyou're not thinking about what you have to

(01:30:08):
do. And I think that translates. I could be totally wrong with this,
but I think that translates over toUM. When you're asking like a
talking board, if you have abelief and a talking board and you think
you really are talking to someone thatyou know, if you already know the
answers or kind of have an idea, those are the answers you're going to

(01:30:29):
get. And that's because you're pushingit. UM. You might not feel
that you're pushing it, but littlesubtle movements might get you going in the
right direction. Like I mentioned earlier, the experiment that I did with UM,
like Donna and Mitch and and andthen that came over. Once you
start nudging it one way, everybodykind of goes with it, and it's

(01:30:53):
it's it becomes a group thing kindof thing where you just go with it
and see where it goes. You'rejust gliding along and if it stops,
you stop. If it not justsomewhere else, you keep going with it.
So I think there's a lot tobe said about UM. You're subconscious
about the stuff that you already knowgoing into this, I've done a board.

(01:31:15):
I don't. I don't have ithere with me. I do have
a board where I actually made itmyself, a custom board. It's not
the Biddle board, but it wasa board that I made years ago for
an experiment where it was completely uniquepattern and we tested people on it and
we asked them questions that they shouldknow the answers to, and they could
not do it even though they tried. They tried to answer the questions.

(01:31:38):
They couldn't do it because they didn'tknow where the letters and numbers were.
That that was a whole different story, the big experiment. So all right,
I hope I answered your question there. So let me see what time
is it? Oh, we gotwe had an hour and a half.
We got a half hour to go. I'm gonna go a little bit more.
I'm gonna try and catch up withsome of these and then skip ahead
to see if there's any questions,and then I'm going to get to doing

(01:32:01):
the remote viewer challenge, unveiling howTwin wants us emoji spiritboard quick patting,
and I'm looking up the patent officenow I'll word on that later. All
right, Uh more talk about movies. Movies, movies movies, Tim Vickers

(01:32:32):
knee jerk response. I think ithas to do with the same concept of
hit hypnotism. A less than consciouspart of your mind is answering your own
question that you don't know or don'twant to answer. It's a defense mechanism
by distancing yourself from answering a questionyou don't want to or afraid of,

(01:32:54):
or for some reason refuse to bringit to conscious state of thought. That's
a good point, him, andI appreciate you bringing that up. That's
a good point. Um. Andit reminds me of, uh, this
might be a long win way toget around to to my answer here or
my response. But back in theearly days of silences when while it's still

(01:33:19):
dominated primarily by females, um,so psychics and mediums are primarily dominated by
females. And even back in aday in Victorian times, when it comes
up your main your medium was usuallyfemale and it was one of those things

(01:33:39):
culturally where culturally where women were notthey didn't they didn't hold such important jobs.
But mediumship spiritualism allowed for a womanto being control, to take charge
and be in charge of everything goingon and they could occasionally or a lot.

(01:34:03):
I mean, depending on who youtalk to. There was a couple
mediums that were really really feisty,and I like it, but they could
pretty much say whatever they wanted andget away with it, you know,
normally stuff during the times. Andplease remember we're talking about the context of
the times when this was really developing, when spiritualism was really developing, women

(01:34:29):
could say couldn't really say a lotof things, especially towards men, but
in the context of a seance,they could say whatever the fuck they wanted
to really like badger people and ifthey wanted to like expose people for like
cheating or crimes or whatever, andget away with it. And I think

(01:34:53):
this kind of goes into what you'resaying, is that through the use of
a board, if you know theanswer to a question and maybe you don't
want to answer it because maybe embarrassmentor something that it's just been a secret
that you've held for so long,the board is almost like an opportunity where

(01:35:14):
you can say, Okay, wellI'm not giving the answer. The spirits
are so it's not me. I'mrelieved of this burden of blame because if
it comes up on the board.If it spells out something, I can
be just as shocked as everyone else, even though I might be the one
that's pushing it around and giving theanswer. But you can be as shocked

(01:35:38):
as everyone else, as in,like, holy shit, the spirits are
giving us this answer that nobody knewbefore, when in fact you did.
So that's actually I don't know ifthat goes along. I don't know if
you agree with that, Tim,but I kind of think that's on the
same along the same vein as whatyou're trying to put forth there. It's

(01:36:00):
something that you don't want to ormaybe you don't feel comfortable answering. But
when you have the chance of blamingsomebody else, i e. Spirits or
demons, then it's fair game,all right. So let me keep going
here. Let's see a question forTommy. Have you ever seen anyone do

(01:36:23):
some kind of test to see ifthe spirits are using the spelling or grammar
from the times in history they aresupposed to be from. That's really interesting.
No, I have not. Ihaven't done that. That would be
that would that's interesting. That's interestingbecause you could probably you could playing Devil's

(01:36:45):
advocate here, Devil you could probablyargue that if a spirit has been around
for decades or centuries, then theymight have picked up up or adapted to
the modern language. But I likeyour way of thinking there, I do.

(01:37:05):
I like your way of thinking becausethat might be something to look into.
Um. Maybe keep track of thevernacular of the spirits and what they're
saying, how they're talking, thecontext. Um, even just certain words

(01:37:26):
I think would be relevant to thetime or specific to like a period of
time. I'm not sure that that'sinteresting idea. I'm gonna write that down,
um, because that's a let's see, um spelling, grammar spelling and
grammar of time, of the propertime. Okay, I'm gonna look in

(01:37:50):
it a little bit more. Allright, how far bag am I?
Two? Holy shit, I amso far behind in comments. So let
me skip through some of these justcomments you guys are having with yourself.
Hey, Matthias, Matthias, I'mnot sure how to say your name,

(01:38:14):
so correct me. Please correct meif I'm wrong. Do it phonetically so
I understand Matthias number one or Matthias. I don't see an age. So
John has a question, if youdon't close the gate, does that mean
ghosts and demons just swarm out intothe world forever and take over the earth.
Well, according to Supernatural Yes,that's what they do, Samon Dean.

(01:38:38):
I mean they always close the gate. So I actually don't know.
I mean because I've never, tobe honest, every time I've played with
a Wuiji board, I've never closedthe gate. So all of these boards
that you see are apparently have beenopen for years. So I don't know

(01:39:00):
what to make of that. Hmhm uh oh oh. Bob posted a
link Southern Strange Baggins Wigi keychain.Oh okay, maybe it's a keychain.
That's good, all right, Solet me keep going because it's getting We
got twenty minutes left, and Iwant to get to the the the box,

(01:39:26):
the box unveiling. Oh oh,there we go, Donna says,
yes, burn the board. Party, all right, So here we go.
If you know me, if youknow me well enough that you you
know where I live, Kanda,and you have a board and you want
to burn it, let me know, we will have a party. We

(01:39:46):
will have a party. We'll geta couple of people together. If you
have an extra board, or ifyou pick one up at a yard shale,
and you're like, let's burn it. We're gonna have a wigi board
burning party and just prove to theworld that yes, they can be burned,
but not antiques. If they're likerare ones, I will not burn

(01:40:08):
them, and I will steal themfrom you and keep them protected. So
let's see, all right, SoKathy says on a lighter note to get
my head cleared, my mythic tarotcards came from a private owner. They
bought them when they were sixteen.Okay, I bought them five bucks,

(01:40:30):
all right? Talking about tarot cards. Oh, Aaron's here, Hey,
Aaron, question, tell us youropinion on Parnology's gyroscope, the digital talking
board. How would you design anelectrical type board? And experiments to test
an electric one? And I useda board once weird energy afterwards, cheers
Aaron. Do I have it here? I don't have it here. I

(01:40:53):
have that I was. I wasa friend of mine head per just this
gyroscope and said it was honestly,they said it was absolutely useless and sent
it to me so I could testit. And I've taken it too.
There's actually pictures of me on myFacebook page at White Hill mansion in New

(01:41:15):
Jersey. When I have this gyroscope, and I also have the steampunk what
is it pariscope three sixty or whatever. That fucking thing is set up with
video cameras and the staff and whiteHill let me have it for the whole
day, which was really nice tothem. Went through a whole bunch of

(01:41:36):
the rooms, the most haunted spots, addressed all the ghosts that were supposed
to be there to get it togo off. And for those of you
that don't know, the gyroscope isbasically it's I wish I could show it.
Um, maybe I can wait.Wait, I since I have the
power of the internet, let mesay geez, I really don't like promoting

(01:42:02):
this guy at all because I mean, I think he's an asshole and he
absolutely hates me. You just goread the fucking blog that he wrote about
me. All right, So I'mgonna share the screen so you can sit.
I'm gonna take this off. Therewe go share and boom. That's

(01:42:25):
what the gyroscope looks like. That'swhat I have. I have that and
what happens is that there is alight on either side. There's this light
and then on the other side,I think you can see it. Okay,
there's my pointer on the other side. The light is on the outer
ring. And what happens is thisis based off static, so it's based

(01:42:46):
off the same center that the thatthe parascope is that any static device is
any static ghost hunting device, it'sbased on the MPF one oh or I
think that's what it is, MPFone oh four static solenoid. And basically
any static electricity will complete the circuitand make the light light up. And

(01:43:12):
what's in here this glow here isa uv LED and the material that this
wheel is made of is glowing adark glowing a dark material. So if
the light lights up, it makeslike a glowing spot. So if you
ever had like glowing a dark material, you know, like if you shine

(01:43:32):
a light on part of it andthen move it away, just that spot
lights up or glows continues to glow. That's what happens here. And I
took it with me. I tookit to a place and had it running
for hours, asking questions, lettingit go off, and absolutely nothing.

(01:43:53):
And that's basically testing it the wayit's supposed to be tested according to the
website. I did exactly what thewebsite told me to do and nothing.
Nothing came of it. And becauseit uses the same internal components as other
devices that are either less or moreexpensive, but just different. I've tested

(01:44:17):
it before and it's very easy tomake make it go off. You can,
especially if it's getting colder out theweather is getting colder, like during
winter, and you're wearing more clothing. The friction from your clothing will create
static and if you walk by it, if you get close to it,
you're gonna make this go off.So this to me is not a valid

(01:44:42):
device for ghost hunting. It's it'smore of a novelty. I mean,
it looks cool. Granted, itlooks cool and when I when I put
it back on the shelf, Iused to have it back here. When
I put it back on the shelf, it looks cool because it's got that
steampunk kind of look to it.Although it's it's very made. The three
D printing that that all of thishere is done, it's very cheap um

(01:45:08):
and it's it's not honestly, it'snot worth the price that is being charged
for it because it's it's very easyto damage the legs. You barely see
the legs. Actually you can't seethe legs here, but um, the
legs on mine, there's four ofthem. They all broke off, and
and that's because it was just verycheaply made. So that's enough about talking

(01:45:30):
about him, um, because again, like I said, this guy hates
me, all right, So keepgoing. Um, what do we got?
We got fifteen minutes yet I'm comingdown to the wire. La j
D says, I don't understand whyeverybody would have to have their own their

(01:45:51):
hands on the planchet for spirits totalk. Why couldn't they just move the
damn planchet themselves. Most of thethings, Um, most of the reasons
I get is because I get readyto drink. People, the energy of
the spirit is supposed to come throughyou, through your hands, into your

(01:46:13):
fingers, into the plan chet andmove the planchet. That's what I'm told.
But again, I'm with you.I'm with you. I should be
able to leave all of these boardsout. Let me see all of these
boards out, all of these withplanchets on them, and they should move
around. I don't see what theproblem is. I actually think that it

(01:46:38):
would be harder if my fingers wereon the planchet because now you have to
not only do you have to breakthe surface tension of the planchet on the
board, but you have the addedweight of my fingers on the plant chet,
and then everyone else that's playing youhave their added weight. So it

(01:46:59):
doesn't make sense. So I agreewith you. I totally agree with you.
Holy crap, I'm so far behind. I'm like forty five minutes behind
these comments. Oh my god,because I see Kathy like a serial killer.
So no, Kathy a serial killerdid not actually create the board.
Um. That was the promo storythat they put out. But it's not

(01:47:23):
true. It's not true the researchthat I did so far, I was
going to write an article about it, but it really wasn't even worth it
yet, um, because I'm stillworking on it. But it's it's it's
not no, there was no serialkiller that did this board. This is
a completely fictitious story to try tosell board games. All right, So

(01:47:49):
let's say how twenty one says theyare so iconic. I had one just
as art on my wall. Um, when I had in my museum,
the physical museum, the mystery museum. When I had that, there was
actually a corner I had one quartersent up as the talking board corner,
and all of these boards were actuallyup on the wall displayed so you can

(01:48:13):
actually and they were in the umthe three m kind of like hooks so
that you could actually slide them outof the hooks and play play them.
There was a table there that youcould take any board out that you want
it with the plan chet and hangingnext to it that you could actually play
play with them. So unfortunately,you know, the museum didn't work out.
So oh well, all right,so oh look, John Holmes had

(01:48:41):
a comment that was blocked because hewas being a douchebag. Uh oh,
let's see Cheney as Short says,whoa, I finally got to see asshole
game. Get the bums rushed.I'm glad I could help, UH say,

(01:49:01):
uh, you're rolcome hell twenty oneappreciate that that that was just I
don't I don't like that. Iknow I'm way way behind on these um
No, I will not burn thepink one. First, I know that's
probably sexist. I know, wellI mean, not me my statement,
but I know that the pink isprobably sexist because you know, like that's

(01:49:26):
obviously directed towards girls. But thisis like a collector's items now, I
mean, especially with a bag.Oh I love this. I am not
getting rid of this ever ever.All right, um, talking about the
human Centipede. You know I'm gonnahave to watch it now. I really

(01:49:47):
need to. God damn this fuckingthe comments bar keeps going up, like
with more and more questions. I'mtrying to get to all of them.
We might run over tonight, youguys, don't mind. Yeah, We're
gonna run over. All right.Aaron's got a question? What do you
think of paranoun? Wait? DidI? Did I not? Did I

(01:50:10):
know? Did you ask this already? Or did I? How did I
do that? I don't know.It looks like the same question. M.
I don't know if your questions areactually coming up like double or not,
because I'm moving down and they lookedlike that came up twice. Hell

(01:50:30):
twenty one says Kenny. You shouldgo investigate the house that the film The
Conjuring is based on. The newestowners run it as a haunted bed and
breakfast type of thing. Now,I think so, I do know a
little bit about this. Um.When the house was sold, I actually
worked on an article which is availableon Skeptical Inquirer. If you go on

(01:50:51):
Skeptical inquirer dot com and search formy name, you're going to see an
article, one of many, becauseI think I have like forty forty plus
articles on there, and one ofthem is about correcting the history of the
Conjuring House, and I really getin depth with the history the historical claims
of all the people that allegedly diedby suicide or murder or whatever in the

(01:51:15):
house. Spoiler, they didn't,but I did try to contact the new
owners. They didn't get back tome, which is, you know,
that's their right. They don't haveto put up with me because granted I
was a skeptic that was investigating claims, which is probably not beneficial to the
business that they are running. ButI was able to go up there.

(01:51:41):
I drove past. It wasn't Ididn't go on the property. I didn't
actually pull in, but my wifeand I actually drove past the house.
I took a couple of pictures fromthe road, and then I met with
Norma Sutcliffe, who was the previousowner of the house, and we actually
spent the day with her and anice, awesome gentleman a retired journalist named

(01:52:03):
Kent Spotswood who sadly passed away earlierthis year, not long after I met
him, but we spent the daytogether. We actually uncovered, we just
rediscovered graves of people that were associatedwith the house. We found these little
cemeteries that this one cemetery was literallywe had to ask permission to go through

(01:52:27):
people's properties to get to this cemeterybecause of that far back and it was
secluded overgrown. I had to hopthe fence in order to get into it
and then clear away to open thegate so we could all go in.
And then we actually I think weoverturned one at least one tombstone because they
were all a lot of them wereknocked down, not all of them,

(01:52:49):
but so we overturned it so wecould see who was there. And we
discovered a lot of people that wereassociated with the house, which was kind
of cool. But I am alwaysopen to it. I actually really really
want to get up there. Soif anyone is, if anyone's watching this
and you're going to book a weekendat the Conjuring House and you want to

(01:53:14):
skeptical along with you, I'm willingto do it. Just let me know
when and how much my part isbecause I would love to participate. So
far, I've actually known a coupleof groups that went up there, but
let's just say they didn't want toinvite me, which is sad. But
I understand, you know, theywant to do their thing, which is

(01:53:35):
cool. But I actually just wantto go up just to see the house,
to be inside of it and justlook at a few things myself,
compare it with historical notes and andclaims and like that. So but yeah,
if you get a chance, Helltwenty one, please go to Skeptical
Inquiry and look up my article andtake a read and let me know what

(01:53:56):
you think. All right, Sowhat are we at? Fifth the four?
Oh my god, we got sixminutes left. So I'm gonna go
through here. I'm gonna go throughthe comments. I'm looking, I'm looking,
I'm looking. I'm not seeing anycues so far. I'm waiting for
the the the bar to actually likejump up and be like, oh,

(01:54:19):
you got like fifty more fucking questions, which I love, don't get me
wrong. Ah, there we go. I'm at the end. Oh I
thought I was at the end.Hell twenty one says, very cool,
I will have to read in thearticle, and yes, you would probably
be bad for business. I'm sureI did. When I reached out to

(01:54:42):
the owners, I was I wasas respectful as I could be. I
mean, I was just trying toverify some things with them and get their
story. I really wanted to givetheir side of the story. But I
mean, again, it's it's upto you. If, like, if
I contact you to get your sideof the story and you don't want talk
to me, that's totally up toyou. I don't hold that against you,

(01:55:03):
but I mean it, honestly,it looks bad. It does look
bad on your part because if youdon't want to respond, then it just
looks bad. But I want togo out there. I want to go
up there. I want to seewhat it looks like. I want to
see I want to walk around theinside and see what everyone's talking about,

(01:55:24):
because I hear people coming back sayingthey had great experiences and it was so
active in this and that, andI want to say, you know,
I want to say so all right, we got a question from Coral.
Hey, Coral, what's up likeprofile? She says, why wouldn't a
ghost just you someone's energy? You'remaking me drink to move their hand to

(01:55:53):
a pencil and write a note.Ghosts don't seem very practical. Why we
lived closer? We didn't we definitely, Oh, why we live closer?
We definitely attend your Wilgi board.Oh okay, so if you did,
Um, yeah, I don't getit there. There's so many easier ways

(01:56:14):
to convey a message. Um,but yeah, if you can, if
you can summon summon the energy tomove my hand that's holding a plan chet
or pushing one of these things,you can certainly move a pencil. You
can certainly Oh wait what she said? Oh whish not? Why that's all

(01:56:39):
right, don't worry, no bigdeal. Um, so I wish we
live closer. Um yeah, ifyou can move a plant chet and my
hand when I'm holding it steady,then you should be able to actually like
move a pencil so or or typea keyboard like I should be able to
pull up word and put up likeespecially like my laptop. And if you

(01:57:02):
have laptop shot or what have you, then you know, some of the
keys are very very soft. They'renot like I have a typewriter keyboard in
front of me right now. It'sa vintage kind of typewriter keyboard, which
is really fucking awesome. But it'sprobably harder to press the keys than my
laptop. My laptop is very easy, very gentle. So do like a

(01:57:26):
Patrick Swayze thing in ghost and typeI don't understand why you can't type type
of fucking message. Tell me what'sgoing on? Be awesome, Patrick Swayze,
if you're listening, type me amessage, let me know what's going
on. Great. I love Patricktrazy. He's a cool guy. Roadhouse
fucking roadhouse rules. All right,So I'm at the end of the comments,

(01:57:49):
So I'm going to open this boxup. I look through. I
did look through all the comments.I did not see a winner. So
here we go. I'm gonna openthis up and if for you that for
those that don't know, this isa remote viewing challenge that I do.
It's a very informal test, avery informal experiment that I do, where

(01:58:11):
this is the official remote viewing challengebox because it says so and on the
back. On the back it hasa target ID, because I've been told
by remote viewers that for some reasonthings need to have a target ID and
you have to assign a an IDto it so that they know where to
look. Let's see. Oh hey, Ted, is Ted listening? He

(01:58:38):
just sent me a message saying,yes, you can go over, and
why haven't you gone got to myhello part yet? I didn't see it,
Ted, I didn't see your comment. So I'm sorry, Ted,
I'm gonna go over anyway. Soanyway, so here here. Yeah,
so there's a target IDA. Idon't know what really that what that really
has to do with it, becauselike I was told by remote viewers specifically

(01:59:01):
that I had to put a targetID on the box. So I don't
know how remote viewing would work withlike places overseas where you can't actually put
a target ID number on something unlessyou know it works if you put it
on the map. I don't know. So anyway, so this is it.

(01:59:21):
I put an object in here,a random object in here once in
a while, and I offer aprize. I offered a couple of books
that I would send out to youif you lived in the United States and
gets properly. I offer a prizethat I would give away if you guessed
correctly. And I basically put theitem in here, I seal it up

(01:59:42):
I lock it so no one canget into it. I have the only
key, which is on the skyring. And uh, that's it.
And I did it a couple daysago, and now I'm going to open
it up. So here we go. Get a cut. You're right straight
strike for doing that music. Allright, So let's uh, it's open.

(02:00:06):
Let's see. All right, I'mjust gonna take the lock off.
Here we go. Are you ready? Oh wait, wait, last try
hell to anyone says tac tacom powder. All right, you know what I'm
gonna give you, guys, thirtyseconds or so. Everyone put in your
last guesses right now. Put inyour last guesses. What you think this

(02:00:30):
is before I open this up.It's open to anybody. Um doesn't matter.
You don't have to be psychic.Whatever, you can put in a
guess. I want to see guesses, and then if you get it right,
I will send you. There's acouple of books. I have a
copy of Joe Nichols and uh,what is it? Investigating the paranormal.

(02:00:53):
Actually, while while I'm waiting forguesses to come up, I'm going to
let's see, I'm gonna put thisup here. I'm gonna move blinky out
of a way and say, Ihave a copy of this book by Joe
Nichol, Investigating the Paranoil, Highlyrecommended, awesome book. I have three

(02:01:15):
books for kids. This is EllaHumanist. Elle is a sweet young girl
that I got to meet at oneof the icons out in Vegas. And
this is her story about her journeybecause she's part of a secular family and
she lives in an area that's highlyreligious, and it's how she interacts with

(02:01:40):
her friends and how she copes withnot believing the same things they do.
And it's really really good if youhave kids and you're not raising them to
be like in a certain religion.I would highly recommend looking up this book
and just ordering it and reading it. It's very simple read. It's it's
a lot of picture, is verylittle text. It comes with stickers sometimes,

(02:02:02):
but I'll give you a preview here. Let me get let me get
this comment out of the way.There we go, so very simple,
good artwork, but very simple text. And then her older sister, Bailey,
did two books, or actually threebooks, and I have two of
them here. My name is StarredDust and start Us explores the solar system,

(02:02:27):
which is going around to the planetsand then start us explores Earth's wonders
again, Perfect for children, Perfectfor children, And uh, I was
alo gonna throw in a button thatsays never stopped learning. I'm gonna try
and come up with a contest anyway, because I want to. I do
have these books to give away,so I really want to get some of

(02:02:48):
them to you guys. So let'ssee. Let's see, Uh, where
are my glasses? They are myglasses, all right, So some of
the some of the m ends hereare let's see tacolum powder, firecracker.
Hey, Robert Donna says tarat cards. I think I should put a disclaimer

(02:03:12):
that, you know, normally Iwould put the disclaimer that she is like
invalid. She can't guess because she'syou know, part of the family.
But I don't even tell her whatisn't it? And I lock it before
she can even get a chance tosee it, so her guesses would count.
Bob says EVP recorder. Tommy saysTV remote, Oh my god,
lots of guesses. I love this. Carol says Star Wars Action Figure.

(02:03:38):
Hmm. I don't know if thatwould be in the rules, because you
do have to be specific, soI would have to know what figure.
But that's not right anyway. SoCoral says creepy Fermy Dollar, They are
creepy. Uh oh wa Lfe.I think that's Teddy, says pen pencil

(02:04:02):
Buster. What's up, Buster,Williams? Dude, you got an awesome
name. Yo, I'm Buster Williams. Sex Lube interesting Chanel? Oh hello,
Chanel, rag Doll that's missing fromyour back background. Oh no,
she's over here. Oh wait,unless you mean like, do you mean

(02:04:25):
ah um raggedy ann because no,she's on the other side. All right,
So the floppy disk you found,no, because that's actually right here.
Uh, let's see watch to bea plan chet, it could be
uh, let's see Eliza Elijah AmI saying that right? Eliza? Isn't

(02:04:49):
it obvious? Ghost debunking machine?Duh, John says Frankenstein's Monster. Eric
Harrison, Hey, Kenny, what'sup? Eric saying hi to everybody?
Okay, I think that's all theguesses. So none of you got it
right, nine of you. Nineof you got it right. So here

(02:05:12):
we go. We gonna open itin front of the camera so you can
see open Oh look at that it'sa pack of cigarettes. None of you
would ever guess that it's the sidecigarettes cigarettes, actual pack of cigarettes.
And no, I don't smoke.Just in case you were wondering, I

(02:05:34):
actually had this pack because I dotests with smoke and photographs because a lot
of people I've called a lot ofpeople over the years smoking while ghost hunting
and taking pictures of the smoke thatthey exhale or from their cigarette and posting
it as paranormal evidence. So actuallyI'm gonna keep that out and do it

(02:05:56):
again. Um, all right,so we're at the end here. Uh,
John Michael, you are the stereotypicalcheater fucker. Uh what was the
question? Eric? So I dida remote viewing challenge. Um, I'm

(02:06:17):
gonna do it again because I definitelyliked doing this. I forgot how much
fun it was. So I'm gonnaI think I'm gonna try to do this
like every other show and maybe putlike next next time I do the show,
I'll put an object in there andstart the context and then reveal it
the next show. So I thinkthat's gonna be part of it. It's

(02:06:40):
gonna be one of my segments,all right. So I'm getting Yeah,
let me see everybody's like it,like it, like it cool? All
right? Cool? Uh? Whereare at the end of the show.
I'm gonna give you some announcements,some things coming up. Um, just
definitely like this is this is likeself promotion, shameless plugs for myself.

(02:07:04):
If you go to Skeptical Inquirer,one of the latest articles is a interview
from Rob Palmer that he interviewed meand talked about it because I won this
wait wait, because I was electeda fellow with the Committee for Skeptical Inquirer,

(02:07:26):
one of the newest ones. Therewere ten people. I was one
of the ten that was elected tobe a fellow, which is a great
honor for me, and I wasprivileged to have Rob talk to me.
He's actually a good friend of mine, and we did an interview together and
tackle some questions and hopefully you likemy answers. So I definitely would suggest

(02:07:46):
you go over to Skeptical inquir andcheck out that interview. I also recently
did a interview with Thomas Westbrook atthe YouTube channel Holy kool Aid, great
YouTube channel. I love what hedoes. Um, Thomas is a real
good guy. I met him aboutI would say four or five years ago

(02:08:07):
at Psicon and we hit it offreally good. Um really nice guy,
genuine guy. And one of myone of my bucket list items after I
met him was I wanted to beanimated because when he does interviews with people,
he animates the person and I reallywanted to do that. So he

(02:08:28):
asked me about about a month ago, a couple of questions and then I
asked if we could do an interviewand I was like, yeah, fuck
yeah, let's do it. Anduh so that's that. That was cool.
That was really cool. It's it'sup there on his YouTube channel again.
That's holy cool aid if you lookit up, it's it's the last
one. About three days ago.I think it released, really good interview.

(02:08:52):
It's got positive reviews so far.And then recently last night a new
episode of the podcast Wearing the Strangecame out. That's Ben Radford, Celestie
Award, Pascal Ramiro. They doa show and me and Ben actually went
into a lot of investigative techniques howwe investigate mysteries, strategies, we use

(02:09:15):
tips, we rely on things welook for we don't look for in this
and that very good show, veryin depth, so if you're interested,
please check that out too, subscribeto them. Guys, What else do
I have Tomorrow night? If youguys follow my channel, you know that
I do Three Tortured Souls on SaturdayNight with Tim Vickers and Dave Schumacher.

(02:09:37):
Tomorrow night, all three of ushave personal things that we have to attend,
so there will be no show tomorrownight. We will continue the following
weekend, So Saturday night, eighto'clock the following weekend we will be back
on. And I think, well, what are we doing? I forget

(02:10:00):
the topic, but it's a goodtopic. It's a real good topic that
deserves a lot of research. Butunfortunately some things came up, some family
issues and stuff that we have totake care of, so we won't be
here tomorrow night. And then asidefrom that, December sixth, I will
be doing a presentation for the HoustonOasis Secular Group. I don't know if

(02:10:22):
that's public or not. It mightbe just for their group meeting, but
I'll be doing a presentation about investigatingmysteries. So hoping that that goes well,
and if it's public, then I'lllet you know. I'll post a
link. Other than that, Idon't have too much if you definitely want
to do Oh, Christmas is comingup or Holidays or whatever. If you're

(02:10:45):
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skepticism, then please visit my TeaSpring store at Scientific Skepticism at Tea Spring
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but if you like any of them, please, you know, purchase
like a dozen or so. Becauseall the money that goes from there comes

(02:11:09):
to me. Whatever money comes tome actually goes back into this. It
goes to keep this going. Itgoes to supply the wall. Supply goes
to the supplies I need to actuallykeep what I'm doing going, like ghost
on and gadgets or attending lectures thatare pay to play ghost ons that are

(02:11:31):
pay to play, so I cancontinue to do my work through here and
through skeptical enquirir. So I doappreciate that, and I think that's it.
So let me look and just seemake sure I'm caught up. I
love that health when you want,well, that's my career as a remote

(02:11:52):
viewer. Ah, don't give up, don't give up like I said,
I'm gonna I'm gonna make this apermanent part of the podcast because I really
think that would be a cool thingto do. All right, So let's
say, are you kidding stupid Facebook? Well yeah, let's say Eric says,

(02:12:16):
what happens if someone gets it?Right though, Kenny, So there
is a prize. There is aprize. Right before, I think,
right before you came on, Iwent through the prizes. I always offer
a prize. This is an informalexperiment, so it's not like, you
know, you get national news orlike the CFIIG, which is like they

(02:12:37):
have a two hundred and fifty thousanddollars prize if you can prove you have
paranormal powers. I don't have that, but I offer a prize. And
this time it was like it wasthree books, four books, four books
from my own collection, and abutton, couple buttons. I was gonna
throw in a couple extra things.But I usually offer some kind of prize
like that. When I go toconferences, I usually change. I have

(02:13:00):
a full set of collector action figuresfrom Ghostbusters two, so it's the whole
team is the four guys, andit's action figures in the box still sealed,
and I usually offered that as aprize or something else, like any
kind of artifact that I have that'syou know, kind of cool. I
offered it as a prize, andif somebody gets it, they win,

(02:13:22):
and that's basically it. I mean, I don't I don't really like even
though in the rules, like Ihave the final say, if you if
you actually said, hey, it'sa pack of cigarettes, I'd be like,
fuck, that's it, you win. I would send you to the
prize, but I'd also want totalk to you more, you know,
and make sure that like was thatactual like a random guess or did you

(02:13:46):
see something, and we would gofurther with it, you know, and
really explore it. So all right, so let me keep going. Uh
hey, Tommy, he says,I'm here because of your interview with Thomas.
Awesome. I'm glad you stopped by, and I actually hope that I
hope it was worth it. Idon't know if it is. I don't

(02:14:07):
know if this was what you wereexpecting, but hopefully you enjoyed it.
I mean, you're still here,so I'm hoping you enjoyed it. I
really do. Bob says Zero torturetolls. Uh yeah, sorry, buddy.
Sorry, Once in a while,we do need a night off.
And then like this says special circumstances. So I won't get into it here,

(02:14:30):
but we need a weekend off.So Coral says, Wicked's scoring a
strange episode. Just finishing listening toit to night, great interview and some
stage advice and puns, so manyexcellent puns. We do have fun and
when I when I get to talkto those guys, it's so much fun.
And it's one of those things thatI say, like it's a testament

(02:14:52):
to how good relationships can be,like friendships when you really don't get to
meet the people like Ben Radford is. I met him once in person one
time, and that was years ago, but we've talked on the phone,
we skype. He's my editor forSkeptical Enquirer, so the articles that I

(02:15:16):
published on Skeptical Enquirer go through himand then another editor after him, but
they go to him first. CelestiaAward, I've had the pleasure of meeting
her twice at Psiicon in Vegas becausethat's where she lives and works. So
it was a real pleasure in meetingher Pascal. I haven't met him yet,
and I really really want to becauseI think we would have a great

(02:15:37):
time together. He's actually helped meon at least one case, the Elvis
Presley Sitting in Home Alone. Hewas a great help with that with his
knowledge of the industry. So butyeah, I it's great gang on that
show because I can sit here andtalk and it's it's much harder because it's

(02:15:58):
not video when we do the interviews. It's it's all audio audio, so
it's a little bit harder, butit's it flows so easy with them guys,
Like we can talk for hours,and I know that that show is
edited down for time because I cantalk, Ben can talk, and Selest

(02:16:20):
has really good questions. But meand Ben we talk forever, and obviously
because I'm like sixteen minutes over mytime slot here. But awesome show.
Definitely, if if you haven't subscribedto it yet, definitely subscribed to Scaring
the Strange and Holy kool Aid twogreat channels on YouTube. Or Holy kool

(02:16:43):
Aid is on YouTube. Scoring theStrange is you probably find it own any
of your podcast things. So allright, so let's see have a good
night everyone. Thank you, Kathy, good night, good night, good
night. Everyone's saying good night.You guys are all a friendly hell twenty
one says, yes, really enjoyableand interesting stream good. I'm glad.

(02:17:07):
I really try to even even whenI'm just being a hack like tonight.
The theme was pretty much I pickedit like two or three hours before the
show, and I did very littleresearch. But I try to make it
as entertaining as possible. And Tommysays it was good. I'm subscribed,

(02:17:28):
awesome, awesome, thank you verymuch. And Bob says, to be
clear, I wasn't trying to bea dick with zero towards. Oh,
I know. I don't worry Bob. I know, I thought it was
funny. I thought it was funny. Can I stay excellent? Goodnight?
All right? Cool? So withthat, I'm going to sign off because
I have nothing else to talk about. I mean, tons of things to

(02:17:52):
talk about. Oh did you seemy picture today? Magic dagger with a
description. Look, it's got righteating on it. If you're if you
follow my personal channel, you'll you'llknow what that is. I just want
to show you. But anyway,good night, everybody, have a great
weekend. Stay safe, wear yourfucking mask social distance. I know it

(02:18:16):
sucks, but you gotta do it. Be safe, stay safe. I
don't want anyone getting sick, buttry to have fun and do what I
do. Just stay drunk anyway.So with that, i'm gonna end.
I'm gonna get out of here.I'm gonna say one last thing, and

(02:18:37):
that is never stop learning. GoodNight,