The Skeptical Help Bar

It's "Open Mic" night at the Skeptical Help Bar - I take on your questions about various topics. We get into investigations methods, vampires & werewolves, we take a look at a slightly inappropriate SLS kinect video of a "ghost," and much more. The start of the show is a bit rough - I was late getting ready and Facebook was giving me some problems, but it gets back on track quickly.

Episode Transcript

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Yeah, what's up. Oh mygoodness, Oh my goodness, we are

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live, Mikey. Look at myhair. Wow. I am all messed
up today, so let me getstarted here. I am all frazzled because
this is um. Let's say,what am I doing here? Let me
make sure I'm doing this right.I am live, I think I'm live.
I'm pretty sure I'm live, andI am yeah. I'm broadcasting and

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I was late. I was latetoday, totally late, trying to get
this going here so I can shareit. But I don't see it actually
popping up on where I'm broadcasting.So that's not good. That is not
good at all. Let me seeif I can edit this and go somewhere

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else too. There we go,I'm gonna do that. Boom boom boom.
See if that works. Nobody's onyet. Let me see if this
works. I'm not sure what's goingon here. Ah there, I am

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all right, so let's see.Let me share it to a whole bunch
of paces. I don't know whyit's not working right, um, but
it is not working right. Solet me get this going. There we
go, that shared, and theshare to another page, and I start

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getting I started. Oh, mygod, I'm all frazzled. Let me
say, let me get back tothe comments here, See who's here?
I got people starting to join in. That's awesome. I appreciate it.
I gotta tell you today has suckeddonkey balls. To be perfectly honest with

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you, it has. It is. Hey, Stacy, how are you
doing? Good to see you?Yeah, today has been really really shitty.
JD, what's up? Mike,Mike? Oh, Mike and Mike.
Nice. Good to see everyone.I'm sharing this for some reason,
it wasn't going to I was actuallytrying to share it to or actually stream

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to one one place so that itwould everybody would be on the same page
and uh and you guys could allsee each other and all the comments and
stuff. And unfortunately it was notstreaming to the platform that I told it
too, so I don't know whathappened, but I was able to fix
that, and now I'm starting toshare it on a different different platforms,

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So feel free to share. Helloeveryone, Bonnie, Stacy, Bob,
Mike, Cat, Diane, whoa. We got everybody? All right?
So tonight, guys, Literally Ijust walked in the door. I literally
walked in the door grabbed the drink, used the facilities, and sat down

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and started this. Oh and itwasn't working right, So that's why my
hair's all frazzled. And I'm probablythis is probably the most dressed up I'll
ever be for a show. Youlike you like the shirt? I hope
you do. Ah, so soundoff. Let me know where you're from,
because I see some new names comingup. Let me know where you're

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from and what you're drinking tonight.That's first and foremost. M Let me
good. Oh, that's good,that's good. Let me say I'm trying
to share this two different pages sothat it keeps coming up, because again
I tried to share it to theWLFE desh dB radio network and it was
not working. So I don't knowwhy, but not my concern. Let's

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see what we got. All theregulars. Beer is always nice. You're
like my shirt, thank you appreciateit. The lights a little harsh.
Maybe I should change that up alittle bit. There you go, get
a little bit of skin tone inthere, so I look, you know,
not so white even for a whiteboy. I'm like white anyway.

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So tonight Tonight said Tonight's theme.It's not really a theme. It's your
questions, what you guys want tocome up with, because honestly, I've
been running around all week and Ihaven't had time to actually, like,
I was gonna do some kind ofHalloween kind of theme, but that went
the ship because I was working toomuch. So with that said, you

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guys can start pumping questions in achat room and let me go over the
rules. Oh, I'm so frazzled. So rule number one is this show
is for paranormal related questions, andin return, while we drink, in
return, I give you a myskeptical opinion. It's my skeptical opinion.

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It's not anyone else's. It's basedon my knowledge. It might not always
be right, but at least it'san opinion and we can have a discussion
about things. Rule number two iscrap. What is rule number two?
I totally I keep forgetting. Oh, I don't know everything. So if
you if you want to stump me, you can you probably can because I

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don't know everything. But if Idon't know it, I have no problem
looking it up and maybe all ofcan learn something together. So I like
doing that. I love doing that. And rule number three is that This
is for open discussion, friendly discussion, polite discussion. You know, let's
talk about things different people. That'scool. Um, you know, backgrounds,

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beliefs, whatever, come together,we talk about it. Don't be
a dick, don't start fights,just be nice about it. So that's
it, and then hopefully I won'tget too buzzed. But yeah again,
UM, I know Carol hadn't givenme given me some questions earlier, so
I'm going to jump into those untilI start seeing some questions pop up in

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the chat room, which is awesome. Hi Roger, Hey you doing,
Carol? Good to see you.What let's see hey Michelle? Oh,
let's say, Oh, let's say. J D says, are you able
to play the TikTok video I sentyou? It's worth it. I didn't
because honestly, I was I wasrushing so so much to get home.

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Basically, my job is is basicallyan on call kind of thing, and
I was working and usually I cancut out in time to get home and
relax a little bit. But unfortunately, like exactly at the moment I was
leaving, I got another call andit was a system was down, so
I had to go fix it.So all right, let me try and

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find um. Let me try tofind this. Let's see more options.
Trying to share two different places here, And then I got to find Carol's
questions because she did put them onan earlier the earlier things. So let
me see if they're here. Wait, I think they were on my personal

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page, so I can go andread them off to you. Let's see
no comments there. What where'd theygo? Oh maybe they're on a different
page. I don't know. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I
found bad energy. So quick storybefore I see some questions pop up.

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Quick story about my shirt today.It was funny. So I work.
I work in a hospital, andI work on the X ray systems in
the hospitals for like the RS andstuff like that, and I walk around
sometimes I walk around just to walkaround because, especially the last couple of
weeks, I've had back trouble,so walking is really good. It loosens

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up the muscles back there, andthat gives me more mobility. So I'm
walking around and this this lady.I'm waiting at the elevator and I can
see this lady's looking at me,and she's giving me this look. And
I've seen this look before. Manymany times, and I'm sure you guys
have shared can relate to this.So, uh, she finally just starts

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like almost yelling, but like,oh you think you're funny? Do you
think you're funny with a shirt likethat? You know, like you're trying
to summon demons and stuff, youknow, and all this. I'm like,
what what are you talking about?And then she's she's getting mad that
I'm wearing this, and I'm like, it's just a shirt. She's like,
oh no, no, you're you'relike a double double worshiper or something

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like that, and uh, I'mgonna get security. So she goes gets
she goes to get security, anduh they walk up. It's my buddy
Jim. So I'm like, hey, Jim, what's up. He's like,
hey, Kenny, you're doing sothat pisses the lady off even more
because you know, we know eachother. Um and then uh then then

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he turns down and he's like,look, you know he's not not a
band witch. He's a good witch. He actually fights demons and some shit
like that. He's like he's kindof like Glenda but without the glitter,
and uh so he's okay, justwhy don't you move along if you're done
here? And he actually asked sportsher walks her outside, um the building,

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which is great. Um. ButI've been in those situations before,
and uh, I mean it's justlike people used to. There was an
old lady a while ago that sawmy Thor's hammer and thought it was an
upside down cross. Um, andthat was just that was a ridiculous moment
too. Uh. But I don'tknow that's that's actually funny. I mean,

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of all people I get, Iget accused of being like an evil
demon summoning witch or something like that. That's funny. Uh So hmm let
me say it. Maybe it's onyour skeptical help barm that's uh Carol,
I know you posted questions somewhere.Wait there it is. Oh yeah,

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she has a whole bunch of questions. All right, so let me check
the Uh. I gotta get myglasses on so I can see. There
we go. All right, let'ssee some of the comments here. Uh.
Let's say Mike says I was hopinghe'd find Carol Baskin's husband's ghost.

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He did offer to investigator place.You know she's coming. I don't know
what that means. Um, allright, Bob says, I look at
you strange every Friday and Saturday night. Yes you do, and that brings
it up. There will be nothree Tortured souls tomorrow night. We're actually
taking it off because it is Halloween. It also is my wife's birthday,

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so I'll be spending the day andnight with her rather than with everybody here.
So we're actually going to postpone ituntil next week. And we have
something special plan. So we're gonnawe're gonna have a good episode I think
coming up next weekend. So keepthat in mind. So let's say I
have some questions from Carol, soI'm gonna get to those. What's up,

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Dave, how are you doing?Glenda without the glitter? Love it
and his shirt? Yep? HeyKimberly, good to see you. All
right, Um, all right,So I'm gonna get to some of these
questions. If you guys have aquestion again, if it's a paranormal related
question that you would like to throwout they get an opinion on, or

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you know, from me or fromanyone in the chat room, do me
a favor. Put it in thechat room and put question or the letter
Q and then write your question.And that way, when I'm scrolling through
I can I can find it better. So Carol's first question is and she,
oh, my god, how manydid you write? She wrote a
book? So Carol starts off,and I'm sorry, it's on the comments

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over here, so I can't putit on the screen. But she starts
off saying, you have me completelyconvinced that what most ghost hunters do is
complete nonsense. You had me prettymuch convinced ghosts don't exist. But then
I read, then I read orhear about certain things that have left me
sitting on the proverbial fence. Soquestion number one. I listened to a

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podcast on phone Calls from the Deadwith the brit PhD guy. The research
seemed pretty good. What is yourtake? What's the next step in investigating?
I'm gonna have to skip over thatquestion because I don't know. I
don't know what you're talking about.I don't know who you're talking about.
The britt PhD guy is that's nota good description. I don't know who

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that is. I'm not I'm notreally sure, so let me share.
Going to the next question, yourtortured soul pal Dave told me interesting stories
about his house in Jansville with atrunk or something moving across the floor,
and the stuff on a predictable sequenceof things happening in Poltergeist's situations involving knocking

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and things moving, these two seemto be well documented. What do you
make of them? Many allegedly hauntedsites also talk about major all capitals,
major rearranging of things, not justa spoon put out of place, something
someone might do and forget. Butlike all the books stacked, No human

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would stack books like this. That'sa Ghostbusters reference. What's the next step
in investigating this sort of object movement? Is it called telekinesis? I forgot?
So Dave did talk about I think, on our torture soul. He
talked about stuff that had happened inhis own house. And Dave's actually in
the chat room, so he couldprobably correct me if I get this wrong.

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But because I don't remember the actualevents, I don't remember the details
of what he talked about. Butif there's stuff going on in a predictable
manner, so, in other words, predictable means that you know the time
and place it's going to happen.If you can pin that down. Then

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obviously you can you can not onlydocument it, but you can test it.
So if if something is happening,if if like, oh, let's
see if all the dolls, let'sjust go full haunted horror movie. If
all the dolls in a room likededicated to dolls suddenly stand up and turn

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around and face the wall, andit only happens like between like three am
and four am, but it happenslike every Friday, then by all means
that is a predictable event. It'sa testable event. So you can actually
set up video cameras or be inthe room. You know, if you're

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inclined between three and four, Iwould suggest two thirty and four thirty and
then see what happens, because that'swhat you have to do. You can
have all the anecdotes you want.And I'm not this is a touchy thing
because I know I know some people. Well, now let me let me
rephrase that. Anecdotes in certain situationslead to research, lead to further research.

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It's it's like a direction, apointer saying, Okay, so many
people are claiming this happens, let'stake a look in that direction. So
for in that kind of case,anecdotes are a research tool, but anecdotes
are not necessarily evidence. So youcan have a whole bunch of people saying

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that various things happen. And whenyou're talking about like this, when when
in this question it's talking about thelike it's putting an umbrella over all of
these similar situations. All of thesesimilar situations are not the same situation.
They're all separate events or separate allegedevents, So you would have to focus

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on each one. Just because onehundred people say that they have a room
that gets totally trashed once in awhile, it doesn't mean it actually happened.
You have to look at so manydetails, or is there video of
it? Is some kind of evidenceof what's going on? Is there an
agenda? You know, if aplace really wants to get on TV or

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something, you know, get oneof these ghost hunting shows to come out
and visit them. Of course,you know that's an incentive, So you
have to take that an account.So there's a lot, there's a lot
to consider. I mean, majorevent like you mentioned, Carol Um,
there's allegedly haunts of sites that talkabout major like you capital letter, major

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rearranging of things. Where like whereis where's the evidence for this? Where?
Where do we see it? Imean, you can hear about it,
and I'm sure I know that there'sstories in many of the books that
I have on the on the shelvesover here, but like, where is
the evidence? You know, weneed to see that kind of stuff before
you can keep going with it.There has to be some then to investigate.

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Um, if it's just a storyand you have no idea what it's
going to happen, then you know, okay. I mean we can look
at a few things, we canhang out for a while, but you
know, you get to a pointwhere are you wasting your time waiting for
something to happen? Um? Thebest thing would in that situation, I
think is to have whoever is there, whoever the owner is, you set

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up video cameras and and have themgoing constant um constantly monitoring the scene,
and then when something happens and youget good footage, then call and then
we can take the next next step. So uh, various an amplitude.
I love I love Dave being ohwait, dam it very instant and amplitude

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varied in locations where things happen versuscontrol areas. Yeah, I mean that
this is definitely something we can getinto on the three Tortured Souls, um
to to to get in more epthon that. So what's this uh,
Dave, Dave gives commentary here,this is awesome. It was a large
crib. One time it moved threefeet heard it moved. Uh. Not

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predictable because it was different things atdifferent times. Door open and closed.
Had video of it moving, uh, doorbell and knocking on interior walls between
summer or September and December. Lotsto discuss and nuances, but we have
recordings and video. See that's that'sa lot of stuff not predictable, so
it's different from what you're asking here. So um, but he had I

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mean yeah, he mentions he hadcameras and recorders and data loggers, data
loggering systems running. So it'd beinteresting to see those those videos, especially
to videos. I mean, that'sthat's used. That's my go to because
that's usually where my skills are ourbest used, um, analyzing photos and
videos. So I would love towe need to get together so that I
can I can take a look.I'm not saying I can solve it,

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but you know, maybe I canoffer some kind of insight. Who lots
of lots of stuff. Let's seeany other questions. I don't see any
other questions yet from anyone else exceptapparently Kimberly posted their weird freaky video,
which is par for the course becauseshe's freaky. I'm going to hear it.

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Let's see what else um going through? Going through? All right?
Just making sure I got everything herebefore I move on to the next one.
Um, Bob's having a lot ofissues with Facebook tonight. Yeah,
I don't know. Maybe maybe it'sjust who I don't know, conjuring House.

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What about the Conjuring House? KimM watch it is that? Oh?
Is the video you post? Isthat from the the Conjuring House?
I don't know. Oh, oh, here's a because I am. I
am actually broadcasting to YouTube too,because I haven't done that in a while,
and I actually have somebody watch itfrom YouTube. That's awesome. Audra

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asks, have you ever seen somelegit video footage? M So, I
have not, and let me explainthat. So there's a bunch of videos
I've come across where yes, Ican explain it, and I've been able
to not only explain it, butreplicate it with sometimes the same equipment and

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under the same conditions. Sometimes Ican replicate it with different equipment because you
know, the original equiment is notavailable. But there's also sometimes where there's
video that I can't explain. Buteven if you can't explain what's going on,
that doesn't mean it's like legit.And when you say legit, I'm
assuming that you mean legitimately paranormal becausein that case, and I've said this

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a lot a lot of times before, if in order to conclude that something
is quote unquote paranormal or a ghost, you would have to actually prove that
it was a ghost. If youcan't find a conclusion, if you can't
find a cause of some event that'sgoing on in some experience, then you
are actually left with no conclusion.You don't know what's going on, and

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that would be your conclusion. Idon't know, So that's usually what I'm
left with. If I can't findan explanation for something for what's going on,
if I can't duplicate it, usuallyput it on the back burner for
a while and then revisit it.If I learned something new, or new

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information comes to light from the caseor the witnesses, were the people involved
or whatever, and then I gofrom there. But if I have I
seen a legitimate and I'm again I'massuming a ghost or paranormal video, No,
I have not. I'm still waiting. Uh, And it really,
honestly, it's getting harder and harderto consider that any kind of evidence at

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all, because with with today's technology, I mean, you can have a
nine year old whip up a specialeffects ghost video and uh and put it
online and it gets like two billionfreaking views because so many people are into
it. So it's really hard toconsider anything to be uh evidence like that.

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All right, So, uh,Mike says, I was still amazed
about Baggings and a tiger tiger king. Dude. Oh that's that's that's one
of them. That not an oxymoron, but it's one of those things that
boot surprises me and makes me go, like, you know, it was

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want to happen because it's just twoweird fucking things. Um. So Kimberly
says, yeah, I want toknow about that video. Yes, so
let me see if I can letme see if I can bring this video
up. Let me go back andfind it. Find it, find it,
find it, find it, findit right there? It is,
that's it. Let me see ifthis is I don't know if I can
actually um open that. I can'topen it from here, so let me

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let me see if I can openit from the actual web page or from
the comments here, and I'll goback. Uh crap, it won't.
Let me see one hundred and fourteencomments already, Holy crap. Let me
see if I can do it thisway. Um yeah, I'm trying.
Oh no, wow, shut up, I hear myself. All right,

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going back, I'm looking, I'mlooking there. It is all right.
I want to know your thoughts.SLS footage all right, so let me
bring it up and I might beable to share it if it comes up.
Oh, this is somebody else's video, so let me share this.
Let me share this video so youguys can see two so you know what

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I'm talking about, all right,chrome tab, Let's see. Let's do
that one, I think just incase there's audio. Nope, crap,
one wrong one. I picked thewrong screen domes. Oh let me see

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there we go. Let's do thatinstead and share audio and then there you
go all right, So there yougo. Let's take a look and I
see, yes, I do seea couple of questions pop it up.
So let me take a look atthis and see what's going on, all

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right, so I can I cantell you right away. I'm pausing it.
Um, right away. I Ithere is a problem because it's a
phone recording a screen. But Idon't know if that has anything to do
with with what you're curious about.But let's see what happens. Oh my

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god, did you set me up? Did you set me up for that?
That's funny? Oh my god,I don't know. I don't see
any other comments, all right,Kim, I don't know if you were
setting me up to um, youknow, for for this this stick figure

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jerking itself off, because that's basicallywhat it did. Um. But if
you're wondering why, um, whyit's like that, let me see,
let me see give me a commentif you if that's what you're wondering,
like why you did that? Um? People think it's real? Seriously,
Okay, So it's it's obvious aperson. Um, it looks like a

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person. But the problem with thisstuff, um, the problem with this
kind of stuff is that you're recordingoff the connect software, which is uh,
it's software that you can download fromMicrosoft. It's free, UM,
and it comes it's outsource. It'sopen source, so you can download all

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the stuff that went with the connectand look at it. You don't get
the visible light view here. You'regetting a modified view obviously because it's it's
actually this looks like the three Dview. UM. Now that I'm looking
at it. This it actually bringsout UM when it's full sprint full screen.
What happens is that it's uh,it gives you almost like a pyramid.

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UM, I don't have one here. I'm going to use this uh
funky crystal because it's almost Perramanship shaped. M. This is actually how it
comes out. It comes out ina cone from the xbox. So the
connect is on this side and it'slooking out like this. That's the Let
me see if I can share thisand then show you guys again what I'm

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what I'm talking about here. Okay, boom, all right, So hopefully
you can see my pointer or mylittle hand there. So this line that
goes across here and then this linethere will actually be another one on this
side, and what it's doing isit's it's reading a three D environment from

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the infrared dots that it puts out. So it puts out this dot it's
called a speckle pattern. It's ahundreds of thousands of dots that it looks
out that it puts out there,and then the IR camera reads it.
So what you're seeing in this imagehere, which is kind of hard to
understand, you're just seeing the surfacethat all the dots actually reflect off of.

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That's why we're seeing it this wayand this this these lines are part
of the cone shape that it looksat. And you can actually take click
on that and drag it around ina three D model, UM and look
all around and see what's UM,what the light is reflecting off of uh
from different angles. UH. Youcan look at the model from different angles,

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but you can't, like, ifyou spin it all around, you're
not going to see the back ofthat person. You're just going to see
the front because that's where the lightis reflecting off of it. UM.
But otherwise UH. And this isactually a classic example of breaking the rules
because Microsoft specifically put out that itthe the connect had a problem with people

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sitting down UM because once you sitdown, you take a bulk of your
your leg out, the whole thighis gone, and it's not seeing it
properly, so it just whor it'sthe human form, it's not what it
sees and it's database it can't matchit up correctly, so it starts to
guess. And also because we're seeinga side view of this, it's not

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it's not showing the full form.You're not seeing where the arms are.
That's why it's confused. Most times, when you see the Xbox Connect used
in ghost hunting, and you seelike it picks up a chair or something,
you'll see like the arms flail aboutor the legs flare about, and
it's it's not because it's some kindof weird entity from a horror movie that's

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you know, freaking out and justyou know, staying put. It's because
the software that runs that little connectis trying to figure out where the fucking
the arms are. It's trying tofigure out where the legs are because it
can't see everything, so it's veryconfused. No, Kimberly, it's not.

(30:57):
I see your comment. I'm gonnaput it up. This is a
family show, damn it. Uhbut yeah, I mean these these Uh.
Unfortunately, this kind of video isjust useless. The connect is not
a ghost hunting tool tool. It'snot it's not a valid tool. It's
not good. Most people that I'veinteracted with that use this either in personal

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online don't understand how it works.And they're using it because they see it
on TV and it looks cool.Um. And it puts stick figures on
different things, um, just objects, uh, vacuum cleaner's chairs, book
bags, tables, um beams,trash bags, all kinds of stuff.

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Um. So it's not a validtool. It is very flawed, and
I don't recommend it. Um.And it's it's just it's not it's not
worth it, all right, Sogood thank you for sharing that. I
appreciate it, even though it's almostlike it's like ghost porn. Uh,
it's gooes port. So let melet me come back here and look,

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because I know, I think Ithink a few people had questions. Let
me go back all right, letme see, uh, Bob says he
I am focusing the year on perception, and in fact, that's what my
podcast will eventually be about. Thinkingabout writing a book too. Lots of
ideas I want to write a booktoo. I've been working on it for

(32:31):
like ten years, all right.So oh wait, there's a question.
Michelle says, why aren't you atthe conjuring house for the live seance?
Are you going to watch it andthen write a report on it? So
I only saw that today. Ithink I saw the advertisement for it today,

(32:53):
and I mean I'm not really whyam I not there? Well,
I don't know, because I wasn'tinvited. I don't know what else to
say. Um, I haven't beenup there yet. I'd like to be
up there. I'd really like tovisit the place, uh to just to
see the inside and walk around andto just uh look in some of the

(33:15):
claims that that were made by youknow, the parents and the other people
that have been there. I wouldlove to look into the um but I
just haven't had the chance. Andas for watching a live seance, I
really don't have any interest in doingit because I mean, I think I
saw some of the people involved andI don't I mean, I really don't

(33:38):
consider most most of them investigators.Um, So I don't. I don't
really see anything coming of it.If it comes up, if if I
hear more chatter about it, Imight look into it, you know,
I look at the replay, UMbecause I doubt, I doubt anything will
actually happen, but I do predicta whole lot of dramatics will happen,

(34:00):
like a lot of drama. Sobut other than that, I really have
no interest. And yes, Ido need to cut my hair, it's
gotten long. Who Audre, didn'tyou already prove the SLS video is a
cruc Well, I did write along article, really involved article that explains

(34:22):
how it works and it's flaws andstuff like that. So yes, there
is a good article. If youlook on Skeptical Inquirer online and look under
my name, there is a there'san article about it. You can read
through it. Uh, Dave,Oh, Dave's gonna hit me with it?

(34:45):
Oh Dave, what your question?I love it. Where can you
take a class with qualified instructors tolearn about paranormal investigating science and data analysis?
Nowhere? Nowhere? Actually, Imean there's plenty of classes you can
take, UM with science and dataanalysis. I'm sure there's there. I

(35:07):
haven't actually looked in the data analysisUM, but I'm sure there's classes or
courses you can take for that kindof stuff, paranormal stuff. Shit.
I mean that's everywhere I have.I don't have them here. I think
they're down, Um, they're packedaway right now. But I have like
four or five certifications from different paranormaluh schools that I paid like between like

(35:32):
twenty and forty dollars for and youknow it took me all of like an
hour or two to pass um anduh yeah, So I wouldn't recommend those
kind of things. Uh No diplomamills. So let's see what else we
got. I'm going through them,scrolling through. I really need a producer.

(35:54):
I need a producer to you knowthat that sits in the background and
goes through all my comments for uhuh, let's say, oh, they're
talking about Zach Baggins. I loveit. Um let me say, uh
da da, let's see Aldre says. Yeah. I always say I don't

(36:17):
believe it unless you were there andwitness it firsthand. Even then, I
mean that's hard. I mean,I don't know if you're just talking about
the connect um specifically, or ifyou're talking about like experiences in general.
But I mean, because I've I'veseen groups of people like one person has
an experience and everyone kind of jumpson the bandwagon and instead of investigating and

(36:43):
figuring out what's really going on,they get caught up in the moment and
just go, um, they getcrazy and not crazy and like, um,
crazy is in like you know,they're excited about what's going on.
Um, And uh, there's there'sa lot of issues with that because I
mean it excitement like that is itis addicting. Um, it's it's uh,

(37:07):
what's the word I'm looking for?Crap? Um it's it's, oh
my god, infecting. Infectious.I think that's what it is. Infectious.
So you can get excited, especiallywhen you're on a ghost on and
you already have these beliefs of what'sgoing on that is possibly real, and
you're excited about being there and you'rehyped up. So one person gets an

(37:30):
experience and it's like holy shit,did you hear that? Did you feel
that? And then it kind ofspreads around even if other people don't really
feel it, they get excited andthey're joining in. So first down accounts
are can be flawed in that way, but eyewitness accounts in general are are
flawed. Are are often flawed.I mean that's not saying like every single

(37:52):
detail that you remember is wrong,but there is a good bit that can
be wrong. And the more timebetween the event and when you're relating it
can erase details. It could blurthe lines between details and what you think
might have happened, between real eventsand beliefs. There's there's there's a common

(38:15):
thing where eyewitnesses usually fill in thegaps of things that they don't actually know.
And I don't have any studies toactually pop up here, but I
have read that their studies where peopleare they are shown different videos of seeing
like an accident or a crime thathappens, and when they're tested later,

(38:39):
not everyone has the same details aboutlike the perpetrator, about the kind of
car, about who ran a stopsign or not, whether there was an
actually a stop sign or a yieldsign. You know, little details that
are important details, but not everyonegets them right. So even if you're
there and you're witnessing, it doesn'tmean that a alleged paranormal experience is actually

(39:06):
paranormal. It might have a logicalexplanation, but if you don't actually look
for it, then you're definitely notgonna find it. COVID hair. That's
because I've literally been so busy lately. Um, yeah, I need I
need a haircut. Maybe tomorrow.I'm off all next week I took off

(39:27):
and so I'll have some time.Hopefully I'll get a haircut. Hmm,
all right, let me let mekeep going here. Um, all right,
I asked that. Let me makesure. Oh man, I'm glad
there's so many people out hanging outtonight. I appreciate everyone coming. Kimberly

(39:50):
has to point out you just saidfuck like five times show as I know,
it's all right. I usually themore I drink, the more I
curse. So hmm, let's say, Oh, I'll just continue with the
Xbox Connect. Yeah, I've playedit and it's popped up with extra stick

(40:13):
figures all the time. Uh,Kat says, I asked you a question
when I messaged you a few daysback about how it may be how it
may be possible to reform or stepup a team. Not sure if you'd
like to address that or if I'mflogging a dead horse and asking all right,
well that that was a good question. We had a good conversation,

(40:34):
um a couple of days ago,and it's more about like reform or step
up a team, as in like, if you have a ghost hunting team
that is, I guess, thestereotypical ghost hunting team, how to approach
it to get them to start learningmore or start being more critical, look,

(40:58):
learn more so that they understand likemore about photography and video and stuff.
And it's not just hey, let'sgo any kind of crazy, you
know, weird thing we get ourghosts. And I think it's I think
it's really hard. Um, ifyou get a team, if you already
have a ghost hunting team and that'swhat they're used to, it's really gonna
be hard to change the members toget them to push or evolve. That's

(41:24):
that's a word I like to useto get them to evolve into bettering themselves.
And I'm not saying like they're notgood, but well they're Yeah,
they're probably not good. I'm sorry. If they're doing a typical ghost hunting
thing, that's not good investigation.That's not an investigation. I've said it

(41:45):
a thousand times. It's just notinvestigating. It's thrill seeking. It really
is. And if you want tomove beyond thrill seeking and getting to get
into more investigative methods like good,solid, valid investor dative methods. Then
you have to start learning. Youhave to understand how um, like I

(42:06):
mean shit. One of the basicthings is to learn how your fucking camera
works and how it takes pictures andhow it can screw up pictures. Just
that alone can can wipe out awhole bunch of anomalies. Because once you
understand this stuff, then then it'salmost like a light goes on. I'm

(42:28):
not saying you're enlightened, well youprobably are. You're enlightened because you have
more knowledge, like good knowledge,and you start understanding what the pictures are.
Um, you'll start seeing things alittle bit more clearer because you have
the experience to apply to it.Um and and move on from there.
And the same thing goes with videoand audio, um, I mean shit.

(42:50):
Like you guys watched most of youguys watch The Three Tortured Souls.
And one of the benefits is thatI learned so much from the other two
guys. It's amazing how much Ilearned. UM With Dave. Dave is
like the fricking he's the fucking hstudy analysis, academic paper man um.

(43:13):
And we can talk about topics andhe has something that we can discuss and
we go over and I just learnedso much from that and Tim's um knowledge
and his background, uh in whathe does in psychology. I mean,
it's just amazing insight in Like Ithink last week's show was just great when
he just took over with some ofthe the explanations and insight that we got.

(43:37):
So that's that's that's the big thing. Never stop learning. I mean,
that's a tagline that I use,and it's really is a mantra that
you can't go wrong. Keep learninginstead of being stagnant and not moving forward,
saying Okay, I learned everything Iknow about ghosteging from TV and that's

(43:58):
good enough. Bullshit. It's no, no, no, it's not um,
it's nowhere near um. Actually,I used to just stop watching the
TV shows because they suck um andstart reading science books. Read some of
the books that I have back here. UM. I usually try to recommend
a book here and there um andus like usually when I do, I

(44:19):
know theyve throws up a book hereand there um. So read understand what's
going on. Understand your equipment,I mean, oh, fuck man,
understand how the equipment works. That'suh, that's that's that's not beating a
dead horse. The horse is likegoo because it's been beat so much over

(44:40):
the years. UM. With thatkind of thing, knowing how your equipment
works, I don't even want toget into that, because that's just that's
we've repeated ourselves so much, UM, and it's it's like they don't want
to sometimes. So all right,I'm to move on a little bit.

(45:01):
I'm seeing comments come up here.These are great comments. Uh, let's
say, Oh, that's interesting.Stacy says, I've had audio hallucinations when
dealing with anxiety meds. That's that'sinteresting. I mean, yeah, I
mean some of the side effects couldgive you. I'm not a doctor.

(45:22):
I'm not I'm not even going topretend to know what kind of meds would
do this, but I do knowpeople that have said similar things, um,
experienced similar things. But you don'teven need meds to have some kind
of hallucination like that to hear thinkyou hear your name. I've done that

(45:42):
a few times, and it's usuallywhen like I get into the shower,
and it's usually because of a whitenoise, you have a fan going.
You start hearing voices and stuff.It's not really voices. It's the the
white noise from the fan, andyou're starting to pick out you're trying to
pick out patterns. But yeah,I've heard my name mentioned a couple of

(46:02):
times over the years. I meannot like every day, but a few
times over the years where I thoughtsomebody was calling me and no one.
Do I think it's a ghost.No, I think it's just I heard
something and I didn't hear it goodenough or clear enough, and I just
misinterpreted it. So what let's seeMike mass a scenario. That's right?

(46:30):
Uh see, oh, Bob saysthe quote you see what you want to
see quote phenomenon. Yes, Imean that's that's definitely something. Am I
far behind? Wow? All right, I'm not too far around a couple
of minutes behind, But yeah,you see what you want to see.
That's that's something we we cover alot. We've experienced it a lot because

(46:51):
I mean, again, ghost huntersor bigfoot hunters. I mean, let
me pick on them for a littlebit, bigfoot hunters. When I go
out with them, it's been likethat where they're all pumped because they they
have these stories about the area thatthey're going into, this wooded area where
they're going into and they're convinced thatthere's stories, and not only that there's

(47:14):
so many stories, but that storiesare absolutely true, no doubt about it.
They're true. So they're going inthere with this big, huge chip
of bias on their shoulder and theywant to see it. So, yeah,
if they see something out there likea bear or another person that's off

(47:37):
in the distance, or they hearI mean, that's that's visual. But
even audio, when you're talking aboutthat, when you hear a strange noise
and you can't identify it, becausehow many of us can identify every single
animal noise? None of us.There's very few people in the world that
could probably do that. But ifyou hear a strange noise in the woods

(47:58):
and you're like, oh, that'snot and this is actually from experience,
I've seen people say I'm not that'snot a wolf, that's not a coyote,
that's that's a big foot and theysay it with confidence, and it's
just it boggles my mind because it'slike, all right, that's what you're
looking for, and we don't knowwhat that sound was, but you're convinced
that it's a big foot. Okay, UM, so what am I supposed

(48:22):
to do? Oh Kimberly. Kimberlysays, do you believe there are parallel
universes? I have no idea.UM, I don't hold a belief that
there are. And uh, Imean I know there are are scientific uh

(48:43):
working theories that's UM that employee multipleuniverses UM, like string theory used to
do that. But I am nota physicist. I am not into that.
So I don't know. I haveno idea. I I I know
there's a thing called physics that's aboutit. I'm not even gonna pretend that

(49:07):
I know what they're talking about.UM. But as in like parallel universes,
I don't. I don't know UMas it as it applies to like
ghost hunting or something like that,because I know there's like the uh,
there's the idea, not a theory, but there's the idea that there's you

(49:27):
know, if something happens in oneuniverse it's parallel to RS and it bumps
over to RS and it you know, imprints it. That's why we might
be able to see events from thepast, UM happen. You know.
That's that's that's a purely an ideathat has become tribal tribal knowledge. It's

(49:47):
not something that is supported as faras I know. Um. And it's
it's funny that even in those casesthat we hear over time, it's it's
always he's in the past. It'salways the past that we say in never
the future. Like I want tosee people with like jet packs and shit,
you know, that's what I wantto say. I want to see

(50:08):
a ghost with a jet pack.That would be awesome. M all right,
let me keep going here. I'mtrying to catch up to the comments.
I'm getting there. I'm getting therelittle by little. A little bar
on the scrolling thing keeps jumping up. It's going you got more comments.
I'm like, I fucking know.Uh all right, so j hey,

(50:34):
Jade, Hey, what's up buddy? Um, he says, playing off
of what kimberly In asked. Whydo you think ghosts have persisted as something
people popularly believing but vampires and wherewolvesreally aren't believed by many people. Hmm,
that's a good question, I wouldthink. Ah, let me,

(50:57):
I gotta I gotta dwell on thisfor a moment. So why do I
think, Well, you know,because because I think vampires and werewolves are
are almost a more modern like.I want to venture to say they are
more modern myths, even though theythey probably go back and I'm not I'm
not up on the mythology of vampiresand werewolves. UM, but I would
say life after death and ghost thethought of ghosts um. And I believe

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I mentioned it before. I thinkPliny the Younger was the first written account,
um, first written account that thatthat of a ghost story. So
I'm sorry, I'm jumping back andforth. I see comments here, and
I see another comment where apparently Imissed a question from Kimberly. Um,

(51:45):
I don't. I don't know wheredid I Where did I miss a question?
Where? Wolves? Oh? Waithere? It is? Sorry?
Sorry, I actually please do mea favor, um, just so I
can see them better. If ifyou're gonna ask a question, put the
word question or Q. Actually questionwould be better, and then put your

(52:05):
question in that way when I'm scrollingthrough, it helps me pick out the
questions better. But her question wasdo you believe vampire has ever existed?
Or still do? No? No, I think that's purely I know where
the legend is based off of.I know that there was a an actual
disease. And again I'm not Ihaven't read up on this for a while,

(52:30):
but I believe there was a diseasethat I think it was in medieval
times where they would actually feed theinfected people with blood. And I think
that's where the whole story came fromor originated. I think that's where the
myths started. I'm not sure.I'm not sure. I'm not up on

(52:51):
my folklore. I actually, youknow what, I got, My got
my handy pad here. I'm goingto write this down and I'm gonna run
it by my folklore expert, umBen Radford, and uh because he is
huge in the folklore and maybe hecan shed some light on that when I
can get to it. Uh.But that's all right, So let me

(53:15):
look at So back to JD's questionabout ghosts, I think ghosts are just
more again, it's more in ourour our history. I think more people.
It's where wolves are more horror.I think vampires are more horror,

(53:37):
you know, and maybe born froma very small, uh small number of
people that were affected by some kindof disease. But ghosts, the thought
of ghosts in life, they afterdeath and maybe coming back I mean,
that's that's pretty old. I mean, we have ghosts in the Bible,

(53:58):
you know, so you had thatas part of, you know, the
religion coming up. I think it'sjust a popular thing. People want to
believe that there's a life after death, and it's it's kind of a comforting
thought. But when you take thatto more extremes or start thinking about it
or start writing stories about it,ghosts are There's a plethora of material that

(54:22):
includes ghosts or spirits, demons,some kind of afterlife thing. So I
think it's just more popular because it'sbecause of what we hope is real.
Because I don't think there's too manypeople that hope vampires and werewolves are real.
I mean, it would be coolto have him a werewolf. I
would love him. I would callhim Sparky if I had one, and

(54:45):
we would play together. But ghosts, I think are just more of a
plausible belief. I don't know ifthat's I don't know if that's the right
way to say it, but Ithink that's what you know, it's weren't
noticed. That's what comes to mindwhen I think about this. So,
but that's a good question. Wemight have to revisit that a all right,

(55:08):
Oh, I don't know what you'retalking about, but I remember this
the famous gorilla the basketball and gorillasuit. I actually have that. M
y see this is this is agood book. Hold on, so maybe
that'll be my recommended book today.I like that The Invisible Gorilla. This

(55:30):
was a good book, um becauseI remember watching that video and be like,
oh shit, there was a gorilla. You're kidding me. So yeah,
that's a that's a great book ifyou ever if you have never seen
that video, it's kind of aspoiler now, but look it up,
um, the gorilla and the basketball, the gorilla experiment, the Invisible Gorilla

(55:53):
Experiment. Look it up and it'spretty cool. I know. I've seen
it a bunch of times, likedifferent science conventions, and reading through the
book, it was really it wasa good read. Who uh, let's
say, let's see. Audres says, the details are like whispered down the

(56:13):
lane. Yeah, I mean that'sthat's a good game. I think we've
talked about it before where it's reallyeasy to to tell a story and then
you tell the story to somebody else, and the more times the story gets
told, the details change or theyget embellished depending on the person's beliefs,

(56:35):
backgrounds or excitement and stuff like that. So let's say Dave. Dave says,
maybe because a lot of people stillhave experiences with ghosts and not so
much with vampires and werewolves. That'strue. I mean, so many people
claim to have seen ghosts, claimto um, you know, been touched

(56:58):
or hear voices and stuff like that. Ghosts are just more popular. We
don't hear any stories about people beingattacked by vampires, um or werewolves for
that matter. Um. By theway, Silver Bullet my favorite werewolf movie
of all time. Love that,love that. Um. But yeah,
yeah, I think Dave's Dave,you nailed it. Thank you. I

(57:21):
appreciate it, because that's it.I mean, not many people have I
don't. I don't know anyone that'sactually, you know, came forward with
an experience with vampires and or werewolves. I mean that's weird. It's not
weird, but it's just yeah,you're right, you got it, all
right. So oh and Bob Blank'sthe Gorilla, the Invisible Gorilla, because

(57:45):
that's uh, I mean, that'sa great video. It is so awesome.
Let's say, uh, going back, looking through. Um what Bob
says, the odd couple of paranormalinvestigations, Baggins and Biddle. And this
is where Kenny unfriends me. Fuckyou, Bob. Oh my god,

(58:13):
I'm trying to catch up on theseI'm getting Oh my god, I'm so
far behind. Dave says, ghostsare seen and associated across different phenomena,
hauntings, drop ins, near deathexperiences, end of like dreams, and
experiences religious. Yeah, yeah,exactly. There's a lot more stories or
experiences that support the belief and ghostsrather than werewolves and stuff like that.

(58:39):
All right, let's see, I'mgoing through. I'm going through. Oh
my god. Every time I thinkI'm at the end, it just piles
up. I'm glad everybody's got questionsor they're having nice conversations. That's awesome.
Up cat Wards got a question,q Q. I like that.

(59:00):
That's good. Q Q hm hmyou trying to get my drink on?
Uh, Kat says, what areyour thoughts on the work of associations like
the spr A, ss AP andthe Parapsychology and Foundation. So I'm not

(59:20):
hmm, I'm not. I'm notfamiliar enough with these associations. I know
EsBr. I've seen some of theearlier work, UM, because it's in
some of the books that I havehere that i've gone through that i've read,
UM A sap or ASAPH. Igo back and forth. Sometimes they

(59:44):
have good stuff, sometimes I thinkit's kind of silly, UM, and
then there's a lot in between.So I'm not really because I do see
them like on social media and oncein a while, you know, I
click on on their their links tosee what they're talking about, but I
don't see I guess most of thestuff that I see from them, at

(01:00:05):
least online is almost more like opinionpieces rather than referenced stuff. So I
don't see a lot of good referencedarticles from them. UM. I know
they have a website and I've actuallygone through and I think I've referenced it
once in a while, and oneor two articles that I've written because there

(01:00:27):
I did find something that was wellwritten and well referenced and just it was
good. It was good information.UM. The paras psychology and foundation,
I don't I don't know, Ireally don't know. I don't dwell much
in paras psychology. I kind oflean on Dave when when questions like that
come up because he's more he's definitelymore into that and more associated with that,

(01:00:52):
with that aspect of this this hobby. So I kind of lean on
him and get his thoughts and wediscuss it. I usually just bring up,
you know, my my skeptic answersor questions and we talk about it.
We have discussions about it. SoI don't I can't give you a
like, you know, do Ilike them? Do I not like them?

(01:01:14):
Yeah? I just I think it'sa different aspect and I don't follow
it as much, um as asother stuff that I do because I'm more
in the photography and video. Likelast night, I literally read an entire
book on um old school uh fakephotos before photoshop and and just learning how

(01:01:36):
to do old school techniques on manipulatingphotos because uh, the last article I
wrote, I got really into itand that's my more that's my area that
I'd like to research more on.So sorry, I don't think that's the
answer you were hoping for. Buthmm, sorry, all right, let

(01:01:57):
me say, let me say,oh my goodness, going through Going through
Bob says ghosts are biblical vampires.Started with Vlad the Impeller several centuries later,
but he doesn't know the history ofwerewolves. I don't either. I'm
definitely thinking Silver Bullet and started atall. I love that movie. Oh

(01:02:22):
man, I'm gonna go watch ittonight. Holy shit, Pascal is here.
What's up, buddy, Good tosee you, Good to see you.
Oh my goodness. Hmm. Ohlook you got a fan, Pascal.
Holy unholy shit, I love it. Only j a man oo.
Michelle chimes in and says, thevampire lure came from eighteen nineteen, eighteen

(01:02:45):
twenty from my blood disorder called poorporfira? Porfira? Am I saying that
right? I don't know if Iam. That's interesting. I gotta write
that down because I want to lookthat up. Let's see poor fire porphyrhea,
porphyria. It sounds like a reallyadvanced form of diarrhea. Let's see.

(01:03:14):
Oh. Kimberly says, do youthink there are vortexes? No?
Um, I know, I keepgiving you short answers. I appreciate.
I'm sorry about that. Vortexes arelike when I when I think of vortexes,
it's I go back to when Istarted ghost hunting, and that was
in the early nineties, and it'slike vortex was a camera strap. That's

(01:03:37):
that's what people were promoting as vortexes. And then it went from a camera
strap that was you know, itwas an out of focus over exposed camera
strap because people didn't know how toproperly get the wrist strap out of the
way of the camera. Um.And then occasionally you need to have a
strain of hair or you'd have I'vealso seen like pool chords for like dealing

(01:04:00):
fans. But then then it morphedinto this thing where it's like, oh,
it's an get ready energy vortex.Um, that's invisible, you can't
see it, but you know it'sa gateway or a portal between worlds and
stuff like that. UM. I'mnot saying this is what you're you're you're
you're pushing forward. Um, thisis just from my experience. But that's

(01:04:26):
what I've heard about vortexes. Andit's like, where's the evidence for it?
Show me, show me the evidence. There is none. This is
a this is honestly, this isa a. It's a made up metaphysical
thing. Um that just became partof the ghost lure. It's not even
folklore. It's ghost lure um likeORBS vortexes um, the ectoplasmic mist um

(01:04:54):
that used to be like cheesecloth,which was really cool in the old days
Victorian age, but then it becamefrosty breath um, which really sucks because
it's it's so much dumber than thanthe cheese cloth. I really wish I
could have seen the cheese cloth stuff. That would have been fun. But

(01:05:14):
vortexes no, I don't. Idon't think there's anything to it. I
haven't seen anything that would that wouldsupport the existence of um. And again
I'm talking about paranormal vortexes. Idon't see anything that would support the existence
of those, So I can't.I can't comment anymore because I just don't.

(01:05:35):
I don't see anything. If youhave something else, um, if
you have like other details where ifI'm talking about the wrong thing, let
me know, um, and thenwe'll come back to that. Uh.
Let's see King George's madness. KingGeorge's madness. I don't know what that
is in reference to, but okay, let's see bomb. Oh they're talking

(01:05:58):
about vampire lore. Awesome love itand Kim love silver bullet damn right,
because it's fucking awesome. I lovethat movie. Uh JD says, when
is your book coming out? Mfunny, you should mention that, no,
it's not coming out anytime soon.I have a book. I did

(01:06:19):
a book like Oh my God,ten fifteen. No, I think it
was twenty twelve or before that thatI actually self published a book with the
help of UM like my wife andUM Diane Poter, Mike Photerum. We
actually I put together a book calledOrbe or Dust, and it was all

(01:06:39):
about photographic anomalies. It addressed orbsand ectoplasm missed and vortexes, and then
apparitions and stuff. But this isdefinitely going back to like two thousand.
I think. I actually think itwas like two thousand and seven that we
put it out and it was selfpublished, not even I didn't go through

(01:07:00):
a publishing company or like a printer. We printed everything and then made the
whole books and sold them in conferencesand sold them out. We sold like,
I don't know, like four orfive hundred copies and then just stop
making it because it got too toomuch work. And I've been every couple
of years, I've been trying toget back into it, and I just
haven't because I haven't had enough time. So I've been slowly working on it.

(01:07:24):
On the last like a couple ofmonths. I've been refining it,
updating it because it's i mean,you're talking like two thousand and seven,
so it's it's a little outdated withdigital stuff because digital was really it was
still kind of new. In photoshop. There was no ghost apps, you
know, like you know click click, Oh you got a ghost in your

(01:07:45):
photo now on your phone. Therewas none of that back then. So
I have a lot of updating todo, and I've been trying to do
it a little by little and thenwork on another book that was Strategies for
Solving Mysteries. But from my perspective, so I keep getting pushed um by
well Ben Rafford because he keeps yellingat me to get it done. Um.

(01:08:06):
But then I have other stuff thatI'm trying to get done. So
I'm trying, and uh, maybeI have off next week. I took
off the entire week, so Imight actually spend um a couple of days
and just trying to bang some stuffout. Yeah, bang it out,
bitch, So we'll see, we'llsee what happens. Thank you, Cat.

(01:08:31):
I appreciate that. Um. It'sI think it's totally better to be
honest and say I don't know,or I don't have an opinion on something,
um, than to make up someopinion, because I hate that.
I hate, oh my god,I hate when people just fucking make up
chit. And it's over the years, it's it's been it's gotten a little

(01:08:53):
easier to spot when someone's making shitup and and you sit there, you'll
look, you ask him a question, and instead of saying, I honestly
don't know, they say, oh, well, see it's kind of like
this, and they go into thislong explanation that's complete bullshit. And it's
even more fun when you know it'scomplete bullshit and you can actually cite sources

(01:09:15):
of why it is bullshit. Somuch fun. But yes, I definitely
think it's better to be honest andsay you don't know or avoid giving a
giving an opinion, because like withthe parapsychology stuff, I just don't know
enough about it and I don't wantto overstep my limitations here, so what

(01:09:36):
let me say here? Stacy saysshe studied many books regarding the English monarchy.
The odd thing is that poor ohmy god. I can't say this
word porfia porphyria, I don't knowis a genetic disease, and no one

(01:09:57):
else in the family showed symptoms.That's that's weird. Now I'm really interested.
I'm probably gonna be up all nightwatching silver bullet and researching this disease.
That's what I'm gonna be doing.So let's say. Uh. John
Michael says, Oh lord, Iwant to call on with some questions.
Oh my god, if you havelegitimate questions and not just fucking around,

(01:10:20):
you're more than welcome to come on. I have about it, like thirty
five minutes to go. Let's seewhat else don't question. I love how
Kimberly puts it in capital letters,like, hey, bitch, fucking question.
Have you ever seen a photo thatmade you go hmm, it's possible,

(01:10:42):
can't debunk it. I don't thinkI've ever actually said that, um,
that particular phrase, but there's beenThere's definitely been plenty of times,
and I can't give you examples rightnow, but there's been plenty of times
with photos and video, um evenaudio where I don't have enough information and

(01:11:04):
I can't give you an explanation.I don't like. I mean, rule
number two of this show is thatI don't know everything. And that's the
honest truth. I don't um AlthoughI try to absorb as much information and
try to look at things from differentangles, I don't know everything. And

(01:11:24):
it's really hard to not only investigate, but to try to offer explanations or
plausible possibilities if you don't have allthe information. And that that is a
common thing with a lot of likephotographs and video you can you can be
presented and and this is this istypical of what I get, is that

(01:11:46):
you're presented with a video or aphotograph and you get a like a paragraph
saying, you know, like,oh, we were all there, there
was nobody in that room, therewas nobody in the house. There's nothing
here in this net and this howdo you explain this? And I mean
immediately there's there's always like ten questions. There's always ten to fifteen more questions

(01:12:12):
where I need more information. Sometimes, yeah, I can. I can.
Usually if it's a photo or avideo, usually I can come up
with something pretty quick. If it'sa something that I've seen before, But
if it's more detailed or more involved, if there's the video is poor quality,
if the photo is poor quality,if it's if it's like a blurn

(01:12:36):
or too dark. Sometimes I haveto ask a lot of questions, and
if I don't get answers, thenI can't explain it. And that's it.
You know, you can only putout as much as you get in.
If I don't have enough information,I can't do it. So not
being able to debunk something, firstof all, that's not my intention.

(01:13:00):
Um, that's not my purpose.I want to make that clear is that
my purpose is not to debunk everything. My purpose is to find explanations,
find causes of experiences, to understandwhat's really going on. If that means
it's a ghost or an alien orBigfoot Daryl, then so be it.

(01:13:26):
You know, that's that's great,that's actually great because I would love that
shit to be true. But ifit has some other explanation like a reflection,
or it's actually a team member,or it's a flaw on the software,
then so be it. That's whatit is. So my intent is
never to debunk. My intent isto understand and find a source and explain

(01:13:50):
it. So if I can't explainit, the number one reason, the
only reason is that I don't haveenough information. And that's either I don't
have enough information from the person orpeople that are providing me the information,
or I don't have enough knowledge inthat particular area to understand what's going on.

(01:14:15):
So, yeah, there's been plentyof times where I don't know.
I don't know what's going on andI'm not. That doesn't bother me.
I'm perfectly okay with that. Imean in the beginning. Yeah, like
years ago, I probably would havebeen like, Fuck, I can't figure
it out. Fuck who am Ikid? I'm still like that. I
still got to try to figure itout. But I'm not gonna bullshit you.

(01:14:38):
I'm not gonna lie, you know, or make up a story or
make up facts just to continue tobe the skeptic. If I don't know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you,and I'll be honest with you.
All Right, Energy and drink more? Did I say energy? Damn it?

(01:15:00):
Hmm, all right, let's say. Uh no, that's all I'm
saying about that. Hey Dan,what's up, buddy. I'll look how
cute his profile picture is. Uh? Dan saw a doc documentary that first

(01:15:24):
Werewolf originated from the Catholic Church.Oh my god, the Catholic Church worried
their congregation was diminishing. They hireda man that had a hyena as a
pet to scare children. I allknow this story at all. I've never
heard this story. This is somethingI'm gonna have to look up. Question

(01:15:46):
from Kimberly a favorite horror movie.Hmm, favorite horror movie? Um?
Wow, I don't know. Ireally don't know. I don't. I
don't think I have a favorite horrormovie because you know, like I either

(01:16:11):
I either get bored and I turnedit off in the first like fifteen twenty
minutes, or I watched it allall the way through and I'm I usually
laugh um like there. When Iwas a kid, the scariest movie was
Poltercheist, the original, not theremake. Bullshit. Um that was the

(01:16:34):
scariest movie. That freaked me tofuck out. Um, and it took
me a while to watch it again. But even the Exorcist, I didn't
I didn't find scary at all.I found it funny. I kind of
laughed when they did the when shedid the crab walk down the stairs,
I left my ass off. Ithought that was funny. Um, that

(01:16:55):
was great, and then the peasoup thing, Oh my god, I
was on the floor. Holy shit. So I don't know favorite horror movie.
Hmm. I'm gonna have to thinkabout that one and get back to
you. I don't I don't know. If I don't, I don't know.
I like the old school stuff,you know, Silver Bullet, Like

(01:17:16):
I said, it was my favoritehorror movie. Um, my favorite like
kind of monster movie I think isVan Helsing. I love that. It's
just it's like a it's almost likemakes makes fun of itself for the cheesiness
of the monsters and then goes overthe top. But I like it.

(01:17:38):
I definitely like it. Um,but I don't know. I don't horror
movie. I don't know what youwould consider a horror movie. I'm I'm
gonna I'm gonna go out a limbhere and say, my favorite horror movie
right now is Butterfly Kisses. Thereyou go. I'm not kissing his ass
because he was a guest last week. But Eric Kristopher Myers, he did

(01:18:01):
a film called Butterfly Kisses and Ithought it was really good. I thought
it was had a psychological aspect toit. I liked the found footage format
that he used, and overall,I thought it was a pretty entertaining film.
So I'm gonna go with that becauseI really don't have a favorite,
but I liked it, so I'mgonna go with that. All right,

(01:18:25):
Moving on, Well, what timeis it? Holy crap, it's ten
thirty? Very important question from Bobsays, is that a Phillies cup you
were drinking from? No, thisis a let's see American heroes from Mission
barbecue and it was nine to eleven. Never forget you bought this and proceeds

(01:18:50):
went to firefighters and police. SoI bought two because yeah, those people
work hard. So I support himand that's it. So it's not a
Phillies I don't I'm not in thesports. You'll never see a Phillies cup.

(01:19:11):
You'll never see a Phillies cup.You'll never see seventy six ers,
you'll never see eagles. Um,you'll never never see flyers. You won't
see any of that up here.Um, all sci fi and weird shit.
Michelle says. Question favorite vampire characterdefinitely from Van Helsing. I don't

(01:19:32):
know his name. The guy thatplayed Dracula in that one, love it,
Love him thought he was great.Um. I actually watched the old
Bella Lagosi film, and I didthat because mostly because when I did research
for them Bella Lagosi movie or notmovie, the Bella Lagosi mirror that is

(01:19:59):
not as mirror in Zach Baggen's museum. I watched the film just because I
was getting into Bella Legosie and Iwas so familiar with his life and and
all the events in his life thatI watched the film and it was sad
as I it was boring. Ifound that really boring. But it's an

(01:20:24):
old, old film, so it'sgoing to be like that. But my
favorite vampire movie definitely Van Helsing lovedloved it. Stacy says, my cousin
lives in Phillies, and maybe oneday I can make a double trip.
Damn right, come on out,you're leaving. Damn it, Stacy,

(01:20:45):
you gotta hang in there. Drinksome monster drinks before the show. I
think that should be standard procedure.Now, drink a monster or like a
red bull, and then stay upfor the whole show. Bob says,
you lie. You say that everyweek and then you find the energy.
Oh my god, you fucking makeme drink motherfucker's Taran. What's up,

(01:21:14):
girl? What's up? How areyou doing? She says, like the
video I shared with you? What? I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm not sure. I'm not surewhat she's talking about. Let me
see, did she share a videowith me? I don't see her name,
so I don't think so I don'tknow what she's talking about. Let

(01:21:35):
me see. Oh QQ, Itotally like that. I like that.
Cat Ward says, there's a bookI read a few years back that posits
an equation of what causes ghostly experiences. It went like this, psychological aspects
plus changes in eternal energy and bioenergetics plus external information acquisition equals what that's

(01:22:11):
that is? Uh? What?That makes no sense? That makes no
sense. Psychological aspect aspects? Whataspects? Like? What? What?
What are we talking about? Weneed to know that first, the very
first, uh, the part ofthe equation we don't we don't even know

(01:22:31):
what they're talking about. The secondpart, changes in internal energy or bio
energetics. I don't know what thefuck bio energetics are. Is that metaphysical
because metaphysical has a lot of termsthat are just straight up bullshit. Um,
So I don't know internal energy,Like what what's that mean? Like,

(01:22:55):
because you have potential energy, youyou the actual type of energy that
you know, science based, there'sa lot that is going on inside you.
So this doesn't make any sense.Um. So I don't know where
this equation come from comes from,but I don't agree with it. I

(01:23:16):
think it's it's very general, soit's open to a lot of interpretation,
which means like you can come upwith almost anything. Um. And it's
already see it's already, it's it'sgiven you like three three three hum three

(01:23:36):
components equals ghost ghostly experience, soit's already anticipating a ghostly experience. So
I don't get it. I don't. My thoughts are this is useless.
Um And and we'd maybe the alcoholtalking. I'm not sure, all right,

(01:23:58):
Stacy says, Yeah, I know, but I honestly don't think it's
happening in tonight. I was tiredbefore the show started, didn't sleep well
last night. All right, youget some sleep and be ready for next
week. I don't want to hearthis tired bullshit next week. Wait,
and John Michael says, how canI call in. I've got some legit
questions for ken Master. I cansend you a link via Facebook. He'd

(01:24:21):
come on pretty quick. Let melet me go, let's see let me
I'll get brack to you in asecond. Let me go through some of
these things. You're the king ofdebunking. That's funny. His name is
Daryl. That's right, Carrie,He's the king of repellent. Oh my

(01:24:42):
goodness, Oh my goodness. Question, what would be the first area you
would invest go investigate if you wereable to visit Castle Dracula or or castle
I guess any castle. I don'tknow. I don't know any of the
stories about Castle Dracula, so Idon't know what's associated with with like kind

(01:25:05):
of paranormal claims. If I couldgo, I would definitely the first step
of anything like that, any trip, any adventure, is to document everything.
I would take pictures as soon asit came in the site, I
would take pictures, take pictures asI walked up, as I walked in
every single room, And that's usuallystandard procedure with me. Like anytime I

(01:25:28):
go to a new location and I'mthere to investigate, my first order of
business is to take photographs of everysingle room, and that would be from
every corner. Like I would gointo a corner, take a picture of
the entire room, go to thenext corner, entire room, next corner,
entire room. I also incorporate Ihave a three sixty camera that I
put on a monopod in the middleof the room, take pictures. And

(01:25:53):
I do that throughout the entire place. So that takes me an hour or
like four hours, So be it. That's what I do. So that's
my first thing that I do.Yes, Kimberly, I am a paranormal
cock block. Oh my goodness.So let me say I'm gonna send.

(01:26:14):
I'm gonna send. I'm gonna senda link. Let me see it.
Hold on, I'm screwing up here. Let's see a copy. So I'm
going to send John Michael a linkso that he can come on and ask
a couple of questions and maybe we'lljust go along. Hey, Hey,

(01:26:38):
we'll go. We'll go over becausewe don't actually have to stop. Let's
say you on, Michael, Therewe go. Let's say you paste,
there you go. I send youa link. John, I don't expect
me to bring you on right awaybecause I want to get through somebody's questions
before I bring you on, sohe might sit in the green room for

(01:26:58):
a couple of minutes. So let'ssee question. I saw a question coming
up. Let me get the cockblock off there. Question from Carrie,
what's up? What is your mostinteresting experience? First one is when I
got married, The second one iswhen I had a son, and then

(01:27:21):
the third one would be a thingthat I haven't announced yet is when I
got elected to be a fellow withthe Center for Inquiry, which recently happened
and it hasn't been announced yet,but a lot of people know, and

(01:27:41):
it's an awesome thing for me.So that is a that's my most recent
interesting experience because the Center for Inquiryis the organization that puts out Skeptical Inquiry,
which I write for, and beingelected a fellow means that, um,
I've contributed a great deal to thescience community, and a bunch of

(01:28:05):
people said, hey, you're doinga good job. So I was like,
fuck, no way. So yeah, hopefully the next issue of Skeptical
Inquiry, it'll be announced. Sobut it's been out there a little bit.
Little East ranks have been out thereand I haven't said anything because you
know, I had work to do, so but that is my three most

(01:28:30):
interesting experiences ever. But I'm prettysure you're probably talking about paranormal stuff,
so um, let's see uh interestinginteresting like paranormal slash skeptical experience. I

(01:28:54):
think. I think one of themost interesting ones happened at White Hill Mansion
over in Fieldsboro, New Jersey.I was there. I was I was
there actually with um. It wasme Donna, my wife, and we

(01:29:14):
were walking through. We were doinga little tour and we heard a noise
that happened like up on the firstfloor. We were down in the basement
area. There is a bar upthere, and what happened and we were
down in the bar, We're talkingabout what was going on in some of
the experiences, and there was aloud bang upstairs and we were pretty sure

(01:29:38):
not one, but pretty sure therewere no other people. So we actually
rushed up to see what was goingon and nothing. Couldn't find anybody.
But the only, the only partialexplanation or possible explanation I could come up
with was that there was a stormcoming in over the back area of the

(01:30:01):
house. There's actually like as itgoes out, there's like an enclosed area
that's a big dining room area,but it goes out a little bit,
has a roof that's open to theoutside, and there were trees above it,
so it's possible that a branch camedown bang on the roof and that's
what we heard, but never actuallyfound a source. So that was interesting

(01:30:24):
to me. So all right,so we have Oh, let's see.
Dave actually comes up and says,bio energetics is a real thing. It's
part of the biochemistry, concerned withthe energy involved in making and breaking chemical
bonds and the molecules found in biologicalorganisms. It can also be defined as

(01:30:46):
the study of energy laceships and energytransformations and transductions in living organisms. Drinking
a lot. Thank you, Daveareciate that. I'm gonna have to look
into that a little bit more.Um. But in the background, holy
shit, we got a guest,so I'm gonna bring him on and see

(01:31:10):
what he says. That's okay,John, while, how are you doing.
I've been doing good, man,Yeah, you're doing pretty good.
Yeah, I've been doing pretty good. You know, I'm feeling good.
I was a little rushed in thebeginning, but now I'm feeling a little

(01:31:30):
buzzed, so I'm doing good.I kind of want to ask you a
question about what's your favorite type ofenergy? So you just have to sit
here and drink all night. ButI'm not, so what's your question?
I mean, I've got several,so you can cut me off whatever.
Okay, all right. But onethat I was curious about is since most

(01:31:53):
of these are fault around photographies,I feel like that's your specialty. Um,
let's say you have the perfect scenario, A ghost sits down with you.
It's like I'm a ghost. Iwas born in eighteen seventy two.
My name is Francis Miller. Idied this way. You know, perfect

(01:32:15):
scenario, right, and you takea picture and you film it in twenty
twenty. Is there any way toprove that that video would be authentic with
like photoshop around and everything else?Wow, that's that's a damn good question,
you know, because I don't.I do. I do some film

(01:32:40):
editing, so in video editing,so I understand how to manipulate that medium
so that I could do special effects. I could do certain things. I
don't know how I would do it. Live Like with this, we're streaming
right now, so there's no editinginvolved. So I think my best,

(01:33:06):
my best tactic, my best methodwould do a live stream like this.
If that's legit, I don't know. I don't know because I'm not sure
if there's techniques out there that Icould I could use to manipulate. Because
you can do like green screen.I mean, you can totally do a

(01:33:27):
green screen. If I put agreen curtain behind me, I could put
myself like on a millennium falcon.I could do like the Enterprise. I
could do whatever I want it.So who's the stay that if I don't
put a If I wanted to puta curtain behind me, I could sit
here and do this and have aconversation with another person like sitting here that's

(01:33:48):
really not here. So I mean, that's just off the top of my
head. I don't think there's goingto be a perfect situation that's provable.
You would have to do something withina public environment. I think I think
you would have to be able todo something like this, not only do

(01:34:09):
it in a public environment, butdo it again like a because I mean,
if we're talking about like scientific review, if someone wants to replicate the
results that we have, then notonly we have to demonstrate the process first,
but you would also have to havean independent team say okay, you

(01:34:32):
do it here in this area wherewe have control of the environment, and
if you can produce that, youknow, then we go from there.
So my friend the ghost, let'scall him Fred, Fred would have to
not only appear in public with meon camera and in front of like,

(01:34:57):
you know, whoever's at the publicevent, but also make an appearance at
another independent location with an independent teamto verify their results. So I think,
I mean, that's just off thetop of my head. I'm sure
if I think about this, thisis definitely a good thought experiment. But

(01:35:20):
if I thought about more, ifI thought more into this, I probably
come up with more restrictions and orcontrols to go onto it. But I
right now, like, that's thebest I can come up with. You
know, what do you think?Yeah? Yeah, no, uh,

(01:35:42):
something I've thought up too. Like, I think technique is more important than
yeah, talking to Like, gettingright the video evidence is less important than
the technique of how you're obtaining thatevidence, right. I mean, we
see if you go on YouTube andjust and just type in ghost or bes
or something like that, even demonic. I mean, you can. You

(01:36:02):
can come up with thousands of videosthat are really cool. They look good,
I mean they're really good. Andthat's something um every time I I
analyze, especially like if if it'san old photo, like the last article
I wrote for Skeptical require dealt witha photo from nineteen hundred, so you're

(01:36:24):
going back and by today's standards.It's It's like most people that I talked
to about this are like, howdo you fucking edit a photo without photoshop?
How is that even possible? Andit's it's amazing, Like once you
get into it, it's amazing whatpeople did. But there are always going

(01:36:45):
to be ways around it. Andand that's I think that's what we have
to keep in mind. Like forphoto and video, you can make some
cool shit, but is it evidenceright now? You know? Like like
I said it, I said itearlier, like a nine year old or
even younger can fucking whip up aghost video, you know, in a

(01:37:10):
matter of minutes. I learned howto do that. The first time I
learned how to overlay video to makelike myself transparent as a ghost walk through
my backyard. I learned from akid, and I mean the kid when
I turned the video on, thevoice of the of the narrator was literally

(01:37:31):
like, Okay, this is whatyou do? You want to do this
and you overlake video. I waslike, ah, this is so embarrassing,
so embarrassing. I mean, I'vebeen doing this for years now with
photography and now like this little Johnny, six year old Johnny is teaching me

(01:37:53):
how to fake videos. This isgreat, but uh but yeah, I
mean us, it's in a publicenvironment. You know, it's always going
to have that stigma of it's fake. You know, you created that.
You're you're not going to get awaywith that because it's so easy to do
anymore. Right, So yeah,got another question. Yeah, so,

(01:38:18):
um, I've tried to research thisand I haven't found an answer. But
are you aware of any ghost orbs? Uh, prior to the advent of
the digital camera? So ghost orbs, so orbs, let's not call them
ghost orbs. But that was thethat that I saw the finger quotes so

(01:38:41):
orbs, which which I loathe.Um they are the photographic anomaly of orbs
actually got to start with UFOs Um. So when you go back into history
with early cameras, early photographs thatcontained or or anomalies. They were associated

(01:39:03):
with UFOs and aliens. Uh.It's fascinating. It goes back um to
early photography. Uh. And Ido have a piece that I'm working on
with this, but it goes backto that where people would take pictures outside
because early cameras, I'm not talkingabout your instematic like one ten. I'm

(01:39:27):
talking about more the the older filmcameras which required you to be outside,
um because you need it more light. You needed enough light to be outside.
You had to be outside for itto be a good picture. Hundreds.
Yeah, probably a little later,like nineteen twenties, you know,
nineteen forties. Um, but yeah, you had to be outside. You

(01:39:49):
had had a lot of lighting,so you had a lot of environment um
photos, which means like people werein fields, um outside um, in
in the woods or a park ora cemetery because cemeteries were big. You
know, they used to have familiesused to have picnics at cemeteries and now
they're all haunted. I don't knowwhy, but you have. You had

(01:40:12):
these pictures outside and when an orbwould show up, it usually showed up
in the sky and that's simply becauseof um that's perspective. It was just
because they were somebody was standing up. They were shooting straight ahead at somebody
else that was standing up, andyou had the horizon almost in the middle

(01:40:35):
or maybe like two thirds the wayup, and then you might have this
this little orb or faint orb inthe background. It didn't happen anywhere near
as much as say like nineteen eightiesnineteen nineties, when more compact cameras were
were popular. What was causing theorbs back then, if it wasn't for

(01:40:58):
the digital process or that was causingthe circle of confusion, So orbs predated
digital processors. It wasn't digital sensorthat that did this. It was the
It was an object getting too closeto the lens some amount of the light,
some amount of light. So ifyou had a speck of dust or

(01:41:20):
a insect bug, something like that. And if we're talking about older cameras,
you had you had a more ofa distance between the camera and the
flash. So if the flash didn'tgo off, or if the flash did
go off, wasn't as big asof a deal as it is today.

(01:41:41):
But because you're outside, especially becauseyou needed good lighting you wanted the lighting
to be behind the photographer on yoursubject. Okay, so your subject was
brightly lit. So if you're takinga picture and the light is behind you,
Unfortunately I can't demonstrate too well becausethe light is the camera. But
if you had a speck of dustgoing right about here, the tip of

(01:42:06):
that wouldn't reflect light just enough thatit would cause this little, tiny blurred
circle. And that's because the summer'sreflecting off of it. Today, it's
very common for the flash to causethis, but it's not necessarily the flash.
It's you need a light source,so a lamp, a bright lamp,

(01:42:28):
especially if you're not using flash photography, a bright lamp, a street
lamp, a porch lamp, aflashlight, infrared light. If somebody has
a infrared flashlight or an infrared likeilluminator on their video camera and they happen
to swing by the area you're photographingat the time, that's a light source.

(01:42:49):
So if the light source is behindthe camera, especially behind the camera
or to the side, and itreflects off of a dust particle or bug
that's in front of your lens,it's going to create this orb effect because
your camera is focused on your subject, which is usually like five six feet
or more away from the camera,not a few inches. So anything a

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few inches from your lens is blurryalready. It's it's before the depth of
field, which means that it's ourfocus, so that that is the that's
what causes most of it. Andagain the older photographs, the older cameras,
it's usually the sun that's causing it. It's reflecting. It's like reflecting

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off of something that got in frontof the lens and it caused it.
But it wasn't common. It wasn'tcommon. It got really common when cameras
started getting more compact. Once youhad the flash getting closer and closer to
the lens and the flesh being usedmore, it was easy to reflect off

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of little dust particles within an inchor so of the lens. Um So
when you have like a DSLR likethis, and I have a flash mounted
on here on the shoe, umhere, my flash is usually up here.
Anything right in front of the lensI'll go this way is not illuminated.

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So I the only time I've evergotten orbs is when I'm in a
cave and there's a lot of acondensation and mists. That's the only time
because you're absolutely going to get itbecause can't help it. Otherwise, No,
I don't get it. But ifI use a compact camera where the

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flash is literally like a half inchfrom the lens, yes, they're quite
common. So it's it's just kindof almost a coincidence that the rise of
the amount of orbs that people caughtwas also occurred with the rise of digital
cameras. It's more of how compactthey became, because the flashes became mounted

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closest ones. That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't know that the more compact
they became. Yes, definitely.When the Sony Mavica was released, that
was the first like commercial consumer levelcamera digital camera that was released. When
that came out, the flash wascut it close. It wasn't as close

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it is today like when you getthe super compact cameras. I mean the
camera itself is only like two anda half finches with today's compact cameras,
but the Mavica was close enough.But it was also very low resolution,
so that contributed to it. Youhad pixelation, You had pixel issues with
the early models, but people weretaking more pictures because it was easier.

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You didn't have to wait for film, so it was very easy to just
take random pictures and then look throughthem on the little LCD screen, which
you usually didn't see the orbs onthe LCD. You had to zoom in
or print them or put them ona computer and then you would see them.
Right. The more common digital camerasbecame, the more compact they became.

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They went from like a brick.And I apologize I don't have them
here. I have a whole collectionof these cameras. But they went from
almost like a brick, like this, down down, down, down down,
So they're really small. And nowyou have I mean, you have
your phone, which when you putthat up you can see how close the

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flash there is to the first lensthere. That's that's about shit, that's
a quarter inch. Easy. Soif I'm in any kind of environment where
any kind of environment and you're walkingaround, um you're you're manipulating things.

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Yes, you can get dust particles, you can get dust. Um just
simply going like this puts skin cellsand shipped into the air. You can
get arps. Right, So yeah, wow, that was good. Damn
interesting we got into it. Yeah, I never I always assumed it was

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just the digital process or just gettingconfused. I didn't realize it was all
about how close. It's. Yeah, it's definitely not. I mean because
the digital well it's it's a sensorthat the digital sensor and the film they're
in the same place, right.So I mean basically, I mean when
the camera works when unless you havean electronics shutter, the the old school

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mechanical shutters, I mean it basicallythe same thing you had the lens.
The light went through the lens,there was a the aperture there. The
shutter would open a certain size,it would let light through, and that
light would hit either the film,the film frame or the digital sensor.
That's the difference, right. Sothe mechanical nature is still the same,

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nothing has changed, um, Butthe the distance between the flash and the
lens and the size of the lenshas changed, you know. I mean
this your phone, that's a veryvery tiny lens compared to even just the
kit lens of that and that's mykit lens. My my other camera is

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a little bit bigger. Um,so big difference I mean when and and
that goes into more like perspective.Um, if you're talking about a tiny
little pinpoint. I think this mightactually work. I mean they're they're that
pinpoint the tip of the pen.There's your orb right there. You can

(01:49:01):
see it floating around. So you'vegot to call it a ghost. And
yeah, I know that's that's mywebcam lens is I would say that's probably
a quarter inch wide. Um,my phone lens is probably an eighth of
an inch wide, so half halfis wide as this lens. And then

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this this is like this is aninch and a half two inches and the
other ones UM I think three threeand a half inches UM. So big
difference between the lens sizes UM andwhat they're looking at. UM. The
bigger lens, I would wager,and I don't know for sure, but
bigger to lens, the more spacethere is and the more it would overlook

(01:49:54):
something right in front. So doesn'tlike the bigger the lens potential bigger lens,
the bigger lens, smaller an anomalywill appear if it's but the smaller
the lens, the bigger anomaly wouldwould appear for you. So like you
could have a dust particle in frontof the lens, saying dust particle,

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And I think in front of thislens, right, it would look very
tiny. But I think in frontof this lens it would look the size
of a basketball. Interesting and that'sperspective, right. Um, So there
you go. Got another question?Um, yeah, ask one more.

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Is I don't want to I don'twant to monopolize your time. Um.
I can literally sit here for twohours and ask questions. Uh. If
you could like just stop people likejust the average ghost hunter and you could
impart one word of wisdom that theywould follow, what would it be?

(01:51:03):
Just one word, like one idea, one idea, never stop learning like
that. I think that's the bestadvice I can give anyone, because I
see too many people, too manygroups that they just stop. They watch

(01:51:25):
a couple of ghost hunting shows,they go out. They they may go
to like a ghost hunt, apublic ghost hunt where you pay like twenty
bucks or whatever and you get likea ghost hunting one on one class or
just bullshit. Um, and thenthey learn how to ghost hunt and that's
it. They stop. They juststop, you know, They're like,

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there's no need to learn anymore.They know everything and they do exactly that.
It's a xerox machine. They dothe same saying over and over and
over again. They don't look forcauses. They don't look for solutions or
conclusions or facts or clues. Theydon't look for stuff like that, it's

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okay, there's an anomaly. Isee an orb or I heard a noise,
I heard what I think is avoice, there was a knock,
and that's it. That's their anomaly. They're happy and they go with it.
For me, that's anomaly hunting.That's not investigating. That's you're looking
for strange shit to get a thrill. Again, it goes back to thrill

(01:52:38):
seeking. And then but if youif you never stop learning, if you
continue to say okay, like Imean, I constantly write down notes.
I have pages and pages of notesevery show where people ask me questions.

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And if I don't know about it, I look it up later. If
I don't know the anomaly that Igot, If I don't know like okay,
I got a picture, there's juststrange things. I will spend hours
and hours, maybe days, lookingfor similar things or consulting photographers and saying,
hey, have you ever seen thisbefore? Do you know what this

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is? Can you tell me?Can you can you school me? And
that's across the board, no matterwhat topic it is. And like I
mentioned before, like I talked toum on the show that I do with
Saturday Nights with Tim and Dave,the Three Tortured Souls. I learn a
lot from those two guys because theyhave different areas of expertise and when a

(01:53:44):
topic comes up and I don't knowabout it, but they do. I
mean, we have long conversations,like off the show, like in the
background, we have long conversations.Whether I learn a lot, right,
And I mean that's I think that'sa secret to it. Don't don't get
stagnant. Don't just settle for Okay, I watched a couple of TV shows.

(01:54:05):
I got this. No, youfucking do not. And I guarantee
you do not got this um byfucking TV shows. No, Um,
get out there and read a book. UM. I mean, like I
mentioned earlier, like I usually havea recommended book and this week is totally

(01:54:26):
going to be the Invisible Gorilla.Um. This is a good book,
and it widens your perspective, Itgives you idea, It gives you,
like we just talked about orbs andand some of the stuff you had no
idea about, and and you're gonnabe better for it. You're gonna be
like, oh shit, you knownow I realize that. And maybe maybe

(01:54:46):
you'll go look into it more.Maybe you won't, but at least you
have a starting point and and you'llget to learn, get to learn more
later on, and whatever you dolearn you apply to future experiences. Yeah,
yeah, for sure. Like Imean that's the thing with me,
Like I'm just infinitely curious, Likeyou know, I've kept people for days

(01:55:09):
talking to them, like Pascal earlier, because I think I spent like two
days I got one questions about EMF. Like we spent a lot of
time talking. Like I'm just curious, like you know what I mean,
Like yeah, yeah, it's greatadvice. And I mean, that's it,
that's that's that's that's the advice Ican give because I mean I don't
know everything. Absolutely, I don'tknow everything, but I know a little

(01:55:31):
bit about a lot of things.I know a lot about a few things,
and I can I can certainly helpor maybe you know, pointing in
the right directions, I refer toyou to somebody else. But I mean,
in the end, it's it's likeI don't know, Like sometimes ghost
hunters. I see as soon asthey start ghost hunting and then refer to

(01:55:55):
themselves as ghost hunters or paranormal investigatorsbecause it's you know, sounds more important.
Um, it's like they've automatically becomean expert in shit. Yeah,
and you become an expert without noone anything. Like I don't get that.
I don't understand the idea there.Um, you know what sophomore means,

(01:56:17):
the words sophomore, sophomore, Yeah, the second second level. Yeah,
do you know what it means?Like in Greek no, So Aristotle
describes sophomore as wise fool. It'ssomebody that knows just enough to be dangerous.
So like they know just enough tothink they know everything, and they
stop asking questions. So there yougo. That's that's yeah, that's it.

(01:56:42):
If you stop asking questions, thenyou're in trouble, right, that's
it. I constantly ask questions.I mean pretty much everybody who listens to
this show that knows me knows Ikeep asking questions, and that's that's it.
That's how you learn. So forsure, all right, I'm gonna
cut you off because I'm at theend of the show. Thank you for

(01:57:04):
coming on. I appreciate it.Great questions, great talk. It's nice
to have somebody else come on.I'm glad to be here. All right,
man, take it easy, youhave a good weekend. Thank you.
I'll talk to you later. Takecare. All right. That was
fun, love it all right.So I think we're at the end.

(01:57:25):
People were leaving, people gotta go. It's getting late, and I get
it because I want to go toa question from Audre. Why aren't you
watching The Mandalorian right now? Didit? Did it drop? Did the
second season drop? I don't.If it did, I'll be up all
night watching Silver Bullet, The Mandalorianand doing the other things. Oh my

(01:57:47):
god. Oh all right, good, good, good, all right,
Hi everybody, Hey Shelly, howyou doing. All right? So I'm
gonna wrap this up. We're attwo hours. Holy crap, we're over
our time slot, which is okaybecause there's nobody else that comes on after
me. Anyway. So with thatsaid, I don't have anything. I

(01:58:09):
don't think coming up. Do Ihave anything coming up? Let me look
at my calendar, because I reallydon't have I wasn't prepared for anything.
So tomorrow's Halloween. Happy Halloween,I hope everyone you know has a safe
Halloween. Whatever you're doing, ifyou get if you go out for candy
and stuff, I hope you know, stay safe. I have a I

(01:58:30):
have a few things that aren't publiccoming up. This week November eleventh,
I will be on a podcast calledThe Paranormal Brew and that should be interesting
because we're gonna have a good time. And then November nineteenth, I will
be a guest on another podcast calledThe Haunted Librarian. That sounds interesting,

(01:58:55):
and then that's it's I think Ithink that's it. Um, John Michael,
if you're still watching UM the firsttwo weeks in December, I will
be in North Carolina. I'm comingdown. I got some training to do,
got some work business to do,so I'll be in your area.
So we will have to hook upand hang out. So there you go.

(01:59:17):
Otherwise, ah, let's see,I don't have I didn't play my
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else I knew. So there yougo. I think that's it. Let
me see. I usually have thingswritten down here, but I have so
many notes from past shows, soI have that. Check out my YouTube

(02:00:01):
channel. Oh, Kande Adventures.Check it out. It's called Kande Adventures
Kenny and Donna, and that's ouradventures, me and my wife. When
we go out. There's gonna bea new episode uploading, maybe tonight or
tomorrow because I finished editing it.I think that's it. Um Skeptical Inquirer

(02:00:23):
magazine, I do an article calleda closer Look. Check it out.
It's awesome at least I think so, and I have a lot of fun
doing it, So check it out. Lots of good information there. And
then if you have events coming up, if you know somebody that's doing an
event or an organizer and they wouldlike to have like a skeptical point of
view, if it's a paranormal event, if they'd like to have like a

(02:00:46):
token skeptic. I love being atoken skeptic. I even have a T
shirt that says that let me know, reach out to me. I'd love
to participate if I can. Myschedule is filling up kind of quick,
not with necessarily republic events, butwith a lot of part private and actually
like school events. I'm doing alot of educational programs, which is really
cool. That's something I'm really gettinginto and I'm loving it, and that's

(02:01:12):
it. Otherwise, have a greatweekend, be safe, be happy,
have fun, be nice to everybody, and then let's see let me set
this up because I always have toget my ending ready so that I can,
you know, do my cool taglineand then cut right to a video.
So with that, love you guys, thank you, and remember never

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stop learning.