The Skeptical Help Bar - Let's Look at Some Photos

In this episode, we do some real-time analysis of some famous ghost photographs. First up, we look at the 1999 Car Crash Ghost/Angel. Next, we take a look at the Newby Church Ghost Monk, then finally the Mary Todd Lincoln/Abraham Lincoln ghost image by William Mulmer. In addition, we set up another Remote Viewer Challenge, which will be revealed next week.

Episode Transcript

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What's up everybody? How are youdoing? Whoa, it's Friday night,
son of a bitch. Huh.I can get the Clark Kent glasses off
for a second and just say,hey, what's going on. It's good
to be home. Last week therewas no show. There wasn't any and

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it drove me nuts. I wasactually all my way back from North Carolina.
I was down there for training forwork. I work in the healthcare
industry, so I was down therefor mandatory training and I didn't really have
a choice, so I didn't getback. I think I arrived home around
oh, I don't know, nineor ten o'clock around there. So ah,

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but it's good to be home.I'm in my normal environment. Hey,
Kathy, sound off. I seethere's a few people in here.
Please do me a favorite sound off. Let me know who's here. What
you're drinking tonight? Because I gotoh, I changed it up a little
bit, got my Pirates skull cupmy mug. This is the first mug

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I got in Las Vegas. Thefirst time we went out to Las Vegas
was five years ago, I think, and it was the first Icon that
I attended. Me and my wife, we both attended Icon, which is
the science conference put on by SkepticalInquiry and the Center for Inquiry, And
we went out there because I wantedto. I desperately wanted to meet James

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Randy, who was one of myheroes. So I got to do that
and I gave him a hug andit was a great special moment that I'll
cherish forever. But we also walkeddown to Treasure Island while we were there
and found out that they had abar outside where you could get these big
freaking mugs with a slushy drink whichwas a lot of alcohol, which I

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loved so and they had a redone, and I think they had a
pink one that my wife got.I'm not sure. She's in the chat
room so she can verify, butthere was another one. We got different
colors, and then when we cameback the next year, we found out
that they switched to colors. Theychanged the colors up every year, so
we have like four or five ofthese. So what's up? Donna's here?

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Yes, Stacy, what's up?J D J D. I got
something in the mail for that todaythat you probably would like, So everyone
else is probably gonna shock. Lookwhat I got I got this cool ass
at you. I love this thing. This is so cool. I got
this today, um because I gotlike I have a Buddha and I have

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like a buddy Christ. And thenoh wait, there it is. There's
my buddy Christ. If anybody's seenDogma, that's my buddy Christ. So
I have a bunch of religious thingsand I didn't actually have U one for
Satanism. So I was like,oh, well, you know what,
I'll get it. So let's seewhat do we got? Warrior? What's

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up? Warrior Mountain? I loveI love comments like this. Hi,
keep up the good work. Ilove your interview with Coli Kooley. Thank
you very much. That was funproject to do. Um. Thomas Westbrook
Thomas Westbrook who runs Holy kool Aid. I met him at picon Um actually
and a great guy, great,great guy. We got along great.

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Um. I will forever know himas space Pants and you'll have to ask
him about that story. That's agood story. So tonight's theme, I'm
seeing. I gotta put my glasseson so I can actually see the comments.
So let's let's see. Oh,we have about six different color mugs.
That's right. Uh, let's seewhat else we got? JD JD

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is drinking snowmiser whipped cream, vodka, peppermint schnops and blue something. I'm
not even gonna try and say that, but that's awesome. Let's say,
hey, Tommy, Tommy Gladding,good to see you again. Keep forgetting
the drink for this, you gotit. It's the skeptical help bar.

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That's that's the I like to drinkon the weekends. And I find that,
especially when we're dealing with conversations likethis where we're talking about paranormal topics
and different beliefs and all that stuff, it's really beneficial to have everyone intoxicated
because then it's like we get alongbetter, So why not? You know?

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Why? Why not? Oh?Oh and I love this. I
love this. Stacy's like I hadthe rush to get my kids ready for
bed and eat. I appreciate that, Stacy. Oh oh, okay,
Kathy vodka and pepsi, the usualnice, good, good good good.

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Oh. And he's like, wheredid you get that wish wish? I
got it from Wish. I thinkit was only like eight dollars or something,
and it's pretty good, it's prettysolid. Um. I was surprised
at the weight of it. Soreally cool. All right, So let
me go on to the the formalstuff, the stuff that we start to
show off, the rules, therules for this, and let me switch

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over to my fancy, my fancylittle banner there. What look at this
shit? Oh, I gotta Igotta cover that up. I put the
geeks and ghost logo up there becauseI'm gonna do. I'll talk about that
later. So rule number one.For anyone that's never been here before,
or if you have and you justlike to hear me talk about the rules,

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rule number one is you are welcometo ask paranormal related questions. That's
what the show is about, paranormalrelated questions. And in return, I
give you my skeptical opinion. It'smy opinion, not anyone else's, so
it's not like you know, Idon't speak for the whole skeptical community,
just me. Rule number two isthat I don't know everything. Honestly,

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I'm not a know at all.I'm not an expert on anything. Maybe
drinking rum no, but I mightnot know the answer to your question.
And if that's the case, Iwill look it up. I have two
screens, well, actually I havethree screens, one in front of me
here and then one on either side, so I can look stuff up and
go back and forth. So whenyou see me going like this and like

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what the fuck is that, that'sbecause I'm looking at another screen. But
we will try and learn together.Number three, the rule number three is
into Patrick Shwayzy and be nice,don't be a dick. I do know
how to boot people from the show, and I've done it once one time,
and that person will be forever knownas the one guy that got booted

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from this show. Please, Iencourage you to have conversations in the chat
room, have discussions, but keepit nice, keep it friendly. That's
it. That's just a couple ofdrinks, a couple of discussions. That's
it. Hey, Tom, what'sup. And then the fourth role I
have is that if you have aquestion for me, specifically for me,

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please put Q or the word questionin front of it. And that way
it helps me when I'm going throughthe comments, because as we get into
this show, which is two hourslong, as we get into it,
there's a lot of comments where youguys are having conversations, which is awesome.
I love that, but I getsucked into it. Reading it,
and I'm kind of like, Istop paying attention to you guys, and

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I'm reading the comments and it's it'sa little hard. So when you put
Q or question or in a catWard's case, a QQ, then it
helps me figure out what's going onor where the questions are so I can
get to them. Tonight's theme isreal time photo analysis, So I don't
know if this is gonna be boringor not. I'm gonna try and not

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make it boring. I've done thisonce before and it kind of was good.
I think you guys benefit it fromit. So basically, I put
this out earlier and said, hey, send me your photos. Let's look
at some ghost photos or any kindof paranormal photos. It doesn't have to
be ghosts. It can be UFOsor cryptids or whatever. I don't know

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why I do this show and Isuddenly turn Italian and I start talking with
my hands. So basically, Iasked you guys to send me your photos,
and you did. I have threephotos so far. Feel free to
pop in a link to another photoif you're wondering if it's your own photo.

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If you have a ghost or bigphoto, are you a pho photo
and you're you've had it for yearsand you just like, you know,
a different opinion on it. Feelfree to shoot me a message and send
me a link or the photo itselfover. Um, you can find me
on Facebook, which is under myyou know, if you're watching this,
then on Facebook, then obviously youcan send me a message right there and
it'll pop up on my screen ifyou're sending it on If you're seeing this

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on YouTube, I don't know whatto do. You can't. You can't
send messages over YouTube. So findme on Facebook and shoot me a message
and then we'll get to it.So, uh, did you see that
the ghost fell off? Um?So let's say. Oh, and rule

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number five is obviously to drink up, because this is a drinking show.
This is a bar. You seethat, Like this ghost was right here,
it was sitting right here and itfell down. Maybe it's haunted like
my baby Yoda grogu. All right, so let's get into Let me go
through these questions real quick. Justor not the questions, the comments.

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Just make sure nothing's directed towards me. M JD's talking about sending a recipe.
That's good. I like it.Uh, where's being a bob?
Where's Bob? Bob? Where areyou? Bob? Uh? Oh?

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All right, so let me seeif I can I can do this,
get this up. There's Bob,I'm getting notification. Come on, Bob,
you should know better, you knowwhat. Let me let me explain
that. Um, you probably don'tget notifications because I've been trying to get
everyone on the same page, atleast as far as Facebook is concerned.

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So I've only been streaming to theWLFE DDB radio network and then sharing that
link on the other pages. Sothat's probably only why you you didn't get
a notification, but I have beensharing it. It's just I want everyone
on the same link so you guyscan converse back and forth. So that's

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my fault. That's my fault.I'm gonna I'm gonna clean that up in
a little bit and get a newsystem. So earlier, let's say,
earlier in the week, I wasactually sent a photo or tagged in a
photo to help explain it, andlet me see if I can get this.
Uh, let me see if Ican bring this up so that you

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guys can all see it. Why, ah, you know what, My
computer freaking it updated like right beforeI went on. And I hate when
it does that because then everything justscrews up. All my settings go back
to like a default thing, andI can't do anything. So let me

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see, all right, I'm gonnashare the screen here, you guys can
see it, all right. I'mgonna make this bigger. I'm gonna try
and make it bigger. How doI make it bigger? There? There?
It is, all right. Soyou guys have probably seen this photo
before. I'm sure you've seen thisbefore. It is the famous like angel

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at the cart crash kind of umphoto. And there's this there is a
story behind it. I'm gonna readoff a little bit about it. Um.
So, the basic information is thatthis photo was taken by a woman
named Sharon Boo. Yes, herlast name is Boo, like Boo Boo.

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It was taken in nineteen ninety ninein Pauling, New York. So
the driver of the car, whosename is Rose. That's all I'm gonna
get. I'm not even gonna attemptthis last name. The driver actually swerved
to avoid hitting a dog. Sothere was a stray dog going across the

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street. She swerved to not hitthe dog. And ended up she totaled
her own car. Now, there'sa lot of versions of this story that
come out where I see, likethe person died and this is our spirit
and oh, this is an angeltaking her to heaven and stuff like that.
I've seen a lot of versions ofthis. But digging into it,

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I found that No, the driverwhose name is Rose, real person,
did not die. She survived.She basically only had like a little injury
to her arm. And there's ifyou actually search. Oh man, I
was going to get the link forthis, I'll probably put it in the
comments later after the show. Butthere is actually there's a there's a TV

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show which I think is called likethe what is it, the Most Famous
Ghosts in the World or something.It was a video that was on YouTube.
It was a TV show, Sothe video is now on YouTube.
But there was a segment that coveredthis this accident and you talked to They

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actually talked to Sharon Boo who tookthe photo, and they talked to the
woman Rose who was driving the car. So these are real people. She
didn't die, she survived. Butlet me see, let me get my
fact straight here. So Sharon Boodid a service for the fire department in

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the area, and she would showup to crime scenes and take photos.
And she would take photos like allangles of the accident and provide them for
the victim or the fire department andwhatever for like insurance reasons and stuff like
that. So it was pretty coolthat she did this. There's a whole
role of photos. There was agentleman. So you can see like on

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here, this says ghost study dotCom. They're not the ones that took
the pictures there. They just receiveda copy of the negatives and were able
to develop photos from this. Sothis was film camera. This was definitely
a film camera. And I'm goingto let me see if i can get
this picture out of the way andshow you some other things here. Oh,

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we get a look at this.You're getting like behind the scenes,
look at what's going on. Sothis is the negative that was sent.
I know it's a little hard tosay, but this is the actual negative
that shows the picture. Let melet me circle over here, but the
red circle of death no less.And then there was a photo here.

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The one on this side is actuallyfrom the scene, the same scene,
but these photos over here, thisis the next day or several days later,
because these are actually daytime photos.I was actually able to reverse the
negative to take a look and seewhat was going on. And I'll show

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you that because that actually comes up. So there I reverse the negatives so
that you could see the different differentview and you can see plainly like this
is the car crash with the allegedghost, and this is the next day.
It looks like a guy like afire chief that's in the fire truck,

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and but it's daytime out you cansee the daytime over here. And
plus this is an outside shot.So this is actually telling me that this,
this angel shot was the first picturetaken that day or that night.
Because when you load it, whenyou would load an old film camera like

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this, it would go in.It would not spool out the entire role
first, because it would actually spoolout just enough to get the first frame.
You would take the pictures until itwas done, and then once it
was done, the electronic camera wouldactually rewind the film for you into this

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cylinder and then you would take thatto like Walmart or something like that to
get it developed. So looking atthis strip, I'm thinking, okay,
this is the first picture on scene, and then the very next picture,
this one which I don't know ifI have the picture that coincides with that,

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but this is actually a picture oflet me see if you can see
my carsor this is a guy bendingover and they're actually strapping the victim Rose
not victim, the person that wasdriving the car. They're strapping her into
a board and putting a head aneck brace on her and just strapping her
down. She wasn't really hurt,but there's your precautions that ems take when

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they shot somebody up like that.So basically, after seeing this, and
kat Ward was the one that sentme this or tagged me in it.
After seeing this, I was lookingat it a little bit more, a
little bit more, and I cameup with After I enhanced it a little
bit, I came up with thispicture. So it's the same picture.

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It's the angel picture, but Iadjusted the brightness a little bit um And
when I did that, when Iadjusted the brightness and the contrast, I
found that it actually gave this area, this this alleged angel, It gave
it a flesh tone, so itlooks like my color color flesh. And

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that got me thinking, like,if this is the first picture that someone
took that. Leah, oh mygod, that's a good one. Stop.
This is the first picture um thatthat um Sharon Boo took when she
arrived on scene. I'm kind ofthinking maybe that she was still in her

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vehicle, like she was being driventhere, maybe like they got the call
because it looks like it's it's atnighttime. So maybe her and maybe her
husband or a friend or something,they drove to the scene and as they
got there, they got there fromthe opposite direction, and they they're driving
by, and maybe she said,hey, wait a minute, stop,

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this is a good shot. Ican get it from here. Because when
I'm looking at this, I'm seeingI'm seeing a big nose, like that's
what I'm seeing. Like this isthe bridge of the nose going down to
the little nub in the front,and then right here and right here are
nostrils. And what I think happenedis that this picture was taken from inside

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the car and she still had thewindow up and instead of going because this
is an old camera, I don'tdo I have an example? Do I
have an example? Here? Wesee? Uh no, no, no,
no, all right, So thecamera that she used because in the

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video that I described a little earlier. She has a it's a thirty five
millimeter camera and you have to lookthrough it. It's not a through the
lens kind of thing. You havea viewfinder and then the lens takes the
picture. But she held it uplike this, and she definitely used like
this. I holding it up likethis. But if you're inside the car
and put up against a window,so imagine you're driving and I'm kind of

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like you guys are gonna be thethe car, the car accident, the
fucked up car, and I'm gonnabe in the passenger seat where I'm like
this, And I put the cameraup to the window and then kind of
look and say, all right,cool, And I take the picture of
it, and it gets just thisarea because up here it almost looks like

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it goes in a little bit maybeglasses, and I do believe she wore
glasses, so I'm thinking that it'sa reflection and off the glass, just
because it just looks like this tome, especially with the flesh tone that
comes up, it definitely looks likea nose and the nostrils here. That's

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what I'm going with now, AndI want to I want to I want
to explain something that every time thatI look at photos, like I had
a lot of time with this one. So the next two photos that I
that I have, and any otherphotos that might come up during this broadcast,
UM, I don't have as muchtime. But usually it's the process
evolves. UM. So it's notsomething that I do just like in a

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second or two, like oh Igot that. That's That's not how it
is, especially with something like this. This was taking a ninety nine,
nineteen ninety nine. We're talking twentyone. It's almost twenty two years ago,
um that this this picture was taken. So there's a lot of stuff
happening. There's a lot of stuffin between. We don't have a lot

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of details. UM. And unfortunately, I believe Sharon Boo has passed away,
so I can't talk to her.And because I did start looking it
up, and I did find anobituary, so I don't think I'm pretty
sure it's the right one. SoI'm not going to be able to get
the firsthand account of what happened,which is which is sad. It sucks

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because I really would have liked totalk to her. But yeah, I
mean looking at this and one ofthe things that I do. One of
the techniques that I use is thatI usually like, had this up on
screen and back off, like backaway for a little bit so I can
see it. I'll put it uplike as big as if possible, but
then look at it from a distanceand see if it comes up, because

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I mean it's it's sometimes that givesyou better perspective and it's like, oh
wait, you know what that lookslike this and it's whoo bam. So
but yeah, I mean this isI think it's translated like I'm looking between
the two screens now, like whatyou guys are seeing and what I'm seeing,

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and mine is actually a little bitdeeper in color, so a little
bit more I guess flesh tone.So uh yeah, So that's my analysis
for this. I'm right now asit stands, I think this was a
reflection. Also, why I saythat I want to point out is that

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these edges, the edges of hereare very soft and very blurred, and
they don't actually go away. Imean you can see like I don't know
if you can see my cursor,but it goes around here and actually goes
around more over here. So it'sgetting like this cheek part that is normal,
you would get this little bump ofa cheap cheek and then it would

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go down into the mouth region.So because of the soft edges, because
it's kind of blurry, that's alsotelling me that it's very very very close
to the camera lens and that it'sI mean, it's right there. So
a reflection on the window would dothat because it's focused on the car,

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which is probably you know, tenbetween ten and fifteen feet away, rather
than the glass that's only inches away. So that's my analysis for that.
I hope you enjoyed it, andI'm gonna move on. I'm gonna take
it. I'm gonna wait. Igotta figure out where my cursor is.
Oh so that's it. That's itfor that picture. I do have two

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more, but I want to catchup on some of these comments. Let's
say JD says, Oh, youthink she breathed onto the window glass?
No, no, I think it'sa reflection. I really do something to
try now. I mean, Idon't know where you're everyone is, but
now is a good time when whenit's dark out, because when you it's

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dark like this picture was taken,it was taken at night and you're in
a car and there's lights outside andthere's just enough ambient light coming inside the
vehicle that if you put a cameraup um to the to the glass,
you don't even have to do that. You can just look at the glass
and you'll be able to see yourreflection. And that's a that's a big

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problem that photographers have had to overcomeover the years taking pictures of things behind
glass. You can usually see something. There's stuff on like Wish and other
other photography sites or stuff like that, where there's a prop that looks like
it almost looks like a plunger becauseit's like this big rubber cup um that's

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open on both ends and the smallerend actually goes over your lens and then
it's like this big cup that goesout that you literally push up against the
glass and then that takes away thereflection of everything behind you. Um,
it's a really handy thing. Ijust I don't have room for it,
and I don't there's not too manytimes I have an for that, so

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I haven't actually gotten it yet.But it actually solves the problem with this.
So let me see. Oh whatBob says, if you look just
to the left of the blue markof the nose. It looks like eyes.
I agree, I agree, itdoes look like eyes, but it's
the I think the reflection is sosoft. And we're talking about a photographic

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print. Well, the original isa photographic print, and then what we're
looking at is a digital copy ofit. So if I had the negative,
we could probably blow it up andlighten it and then see a lot
more of it. But I don'tknow if that's going to be possible.

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I might, I might look intothis because this was a really good This
was really fun getting into this.Stacy says, yeah, I was gonna
say I saw glasses. Bob says, damn, Kenny, that was some
great piece of forensic work. Thankyou, Bob. I appreciate it.
Um. Stacy's like, it's like, it's like, do you see a

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vase or two faces? That's agood one. Uh. JD tells me
to shut up. Kenny Penwick weremaking me feel old. You are old
warrior. You are amazing, soeasy to trick the brain. Thank you.
I appreciate him. But it's youknow why. It's it's I've been
I've been doing this long enough,um, and I've had great mentors.

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I mean one of my mentors isJoe Nichol, and I mean he's been
doing this kind of work for fiftyyears and he's old school, definitely old
school. But he started out withfilm photography. He studied old plate photography.
And the knowledge that I've gotten fromhim has has really helped to look

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at little details, subtle details.Um. And then going into the digital
a's age when you can really freakinglike edit the shit out of things,
it's amazing what you can find.It really is. Um. You just
gotta get good copies of this stuff. But thank you, Warrior, I
appreciate that. UM. And it'sit's this was fun. This is really

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fun. But I definitely think thiswas a reflection. So Stacy loved it.
Great first New Year's view party.That's right. Let's see, we're
just beyond one year anniversary over deathDecember thirteenth, twenty Thank you Bob for
looking that up. Hm uh,Stacy says, I found out that my

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future husband was at the same barthat night. I met him over a
year later at that bar. Whatthat's that's that's cool. Wow. All
right, Bob says, I can'tlook at grogu and not think of today's
episode. No spoilers, I willdelete them, all right, So I

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want to get my own to thenext one and again, like, let's
say, what is it? We'rea half hour in. That's not bad.
Um, this will take me.I got two more pictures to go
through. So if you guys again, if you guys have like photos that
you've you've seen over the years andyou're like, oh, you know,
I wonder what that could be,no promises. I might not be able

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to explain it. H Like Isaid the first picture here, I've had
a couple of days now, UMto go over it. So I might
not be able to explain something Ubecause it happens, all right, So
let me let me put this up. What's what's this next one? Okay?
Making sure that I got it right? Oh wait, what's going on

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here? Let me see if Igot that right? There we go.
Okay, I was making sure.So this is another famous image. Um.
This is called the Specter of NewbieChurch. It was taken in nineteen
sixty three, was allegedly take wellnot allegedly. It was taken in the

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Church of Christ the Consoler Okay,in North Yorkshire, UK, by a
reverend K. F. Lord.And part of the story, according to
the story that I've heard that I'veread, is that the reverend swears that
he was in the church by himself, there was no one else there,

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that he set this camera up.I couldn't find out. I only started
looking to this to this today,so I'm not sure what type of camera
he had, but he did takea picture, and he said he was
alone, no long exposure, nodouble exposure, nothing like that, and

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that this came up in the image, and that part of the story.
This is the part of the storythat I love. I actually love this
because this is the kind of thingwhere I pick it out and like I
zero in like a shark smelling bloodfrom a mile way. Part of the
story claims that photographic experts or scientists, depending on what version you listen to

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or read, photographic experts have concludedthat the image is not the result of
double exposure. So my first question, actually, what do you guys think
My first question would be, I'mgonna give you a couple of seconds posting
the comments, what you think myfirst question would be, because it should

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be your first question too, AndI'm gonna look at some of the comments
while this goes by Wrior That isso fake, Stacy, I love this
picture. It scared the crap outof me. I remember this picture from
years and years ago, seeing itin some of the the old old books

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like that, the early books thatwould be like ghost photos. Um,
you know, oh my god,supernatural things and stuff like that. This
was always part of them. Um. This like the Brown Brown Lady of
Raymond hall Um, the Tulips StaircaseCoast. God, damn, I can't
talk. That's because I started drinkinga little bit before the show, the
Tulip Staircase Ghost. These are allfamous ones, and this was kind of

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looped into it. Stacy says,what's the proof of that? So yes,
I mean my question, my firstquestion not only proof of that,
but actually my first question is whoare these photographic experts? Because I looked,
I did try to look, andI couldn't find no names, Like
I found nobody mentioned who was this? Who actually looked at this photograph and

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gave verification of what it could orcould not be, um, which I
found. You know, that's usuallywhat you find in stories where they're like,
oh, this is a famous ghostphoto spurts looked at this and they
couldn't figure it out. And timeand again you ask who were the experts,
and they're like, oh, boom, I don't know. Actually,

(33:07):
I think I think this showed upin a book. Do I have it?
I think I have it. Iknow I have the book. It's
like famous ghost Photos or something.I'm looking. I'm looking ghosts. Oh
the world. No, that's notit. Maybe that is it. Hold
on a second, Hold on asecond, let me look. No,

(33:30):
that's not it. All right,I had a book. I had a
book that this photo was in,but I can't find it now, sou.
But basically I mean this, ahJesus, Oh wait, wait,
there's another thing about this that thefigure is over nine feet tall. And
I'm guessing because the figure starts fromup top of his head and goes all

(33:55):
the way down here below the step. So I'm gonna zoom in a little
bit here and show you guys alittle bit better, so we definitely see
the head and then we're looking downhere. One of the things that I
noticed is that we have this thisrobe I guess the monk's robe coming down

(34:21):
here. But then it comes outit spills out and it's like that on
both sides. So that's telling meright away that one the monk is not
on this step. He's not standingon this or whoever this is, it's
not a monk. It's definitely nota monk. He's not standing on this
step. He's standing up here,at least on this step. So we

(34:44):
can knock out the whole bottom herebecause it's just bleed over. It's just
leftover robe. Oh, we cangoing deeper like that. That's cool.
I like that, And I'm thinkingI'm not sure, but I'm thinking he's
probably like you can see that,he's obviously in front of this poll because

(35:07):
we can actually see a little differencehere. We can see the break of
the rope here. But I tome, this is pretty simple. It
really doesn't take a lot for this. Is it a double exposure? No,
No, I don't think it's doubleexposure. I think it's a long
exposure. I'm pretty sure that thisguy dressed up like this, came in

(35:30):
here and stood there for a coupleof seconds. This was definitely a long
exposure because we're seeing a lot ofhighlights here, like these highlights right here,
very very bright. These highlights verybright. The windows are blown out
completely and these flowers are blown out, but there is a lot of light

(35:53):
inside. I don't know how muchlighting there was inside, but if you
have the windows that are blown outlike this, but you still have sufficient
lighting inside here, that's telling meit's a long exposure because it was opened.
The camera was open for a whileand it said, Okay, I'm

(36:13):
gonna I'm gonna take in as muchlight as I can. And this guy
had a chance to walk up thereand something else. I don't think I
actually uh did I No, Ididn't. I didn't enhance it. Let's
just let's enhance this a little bit. Let's let's play a little I haven't
actually done this, I think beforewhere I opened up Photoshop and just brought

(36:35):
a picture. Aim. So let'stry that. Let's see. You guys
can see that. I'm gonna openthis. I'm gonna try to open this.
I'm gonna go into my Where amI going? I don't know where
I'm going. Where am I going? I'm going to PC, I'm not
going there. I don't want togo in there. I want to go
one drive and then I want togo to Oh god, I'm sure you

(37:00):
guys like everything that I have.Oh my god, this is horrible.
There skeptical help bar ghost photos.We're gonna go into Newbie Church and we're
gonna open this fucker up. Allright, So this is what I want
to show you that if we improvethe lighting, if we take the lighting

(37:22):
and knock it up a bit,or actually we'll do that. We'll increase
lighting here and then go down.That's not doing what I wanted to do.
Hold on, let's back up here. Let's do this way and see
if that works. I'm not sure. I did this earlier today and it

(37:42):
seemed to work good, but nowI'm not so sure. All right,
it's not working the way I wantedto. Earlier when I was working with
this, we actually had and Idon't know if you can see it,
you can kind of see it,like right back here, you can see

(38:06):
that it's it's darker. There's it'sit's not it's not as bright as over
here, but right here is muchdarker than the rest of it. And
what I was seeing was that thisguy was actually casting a shadow um.
So there's probably lights um overhead orlike in the church that are shining down

(38:30):
and he's actually casting a shadow,a small shadow onto the altar here,
which is why this is darkened outand not as bright as over here.
Um no nudes please, um.But it doesn't come up. It's not
going to come up on every photoor every copy of this, because it's

(38:51):
just every copy is different. Somepeople do their own um editing. Let
me see if the other one comesup. What happens when I do this
one? So, but that's horrible. That looks horrible. But I'm gonna
try it on this one too,just to see what happens if I increase

(39:14):
it so you can still see overhere, this is still darker than it
is on this side. And thisis telling me that even down here,
you can actually see it down heremuch better on this side of the alter
compared to this side. And forsome reason, this guy's blocking the light.

(39:37):
And if he's blocking the regular light, that means he's visible, he's
solid, he's blocking visible light,so boom, he's done. So yeah,
I think this is a long exposure. And let me stop the sharing
here. So I think it's along exposure. It's not a double exposure.
If it's double exposure, you usuallysee some other artifacts, not just

(40:00):
you know the subject, you're seeingother artifacts. And this is evident.
Like there's a picture, there's anold picture of it looks like a grave,
and it looks like there's a baby, like in the middle of the
grave looking up at the camera.That is a double exposure because it's it's
actually two pictures taken on the sameframe. And that's very clearly a double

(40:23):
exposure because there's more artifacts in thein the image showing from the two different
scenes. Uh. Oh, sothat's pretty good. I mean, we're
moving along forty minutes. Awesome.I'm not going to do any nudes,
Bob, says Stacy. I amlooking for a photo. I am one

(40:43):
hundred percent convinced that the photo Iam looking for is one hundred percent going.
Okay, I'm not sure what's goingon in there. Uh, Stacy
always wanted an analysis of this photo. That's good. I hope, I
hope that was a good analysis foryou. I hope my husband doesn't call
to have me pick him up beforewe hear Kenny's Oh, I hope You've

(41:05):
got to listen to it all.H all right, So I had one
more picture and then once I getthrough that one. It's open season.
You guys can just ask any questionsyou want because no one else has sent
me any photos, which is okay, hm ah, let me see here.

(41:27):
Okay, so let me say,all right, no news, got
that, Got that, all right? So I'm gonna move on to the
next one. Here, Bob's lookingfor his ghost photo. That's good.
Bob's a ghost. We could makeyou a ghost. We really could.
Pretty easy too, So this oneis gonna be easy, too, pretty

(41:51):
easy, because there's a backstory toit. So let me, let me,
let me see, let me Actually, I gotta prepare for this because
there was other stuff that I wantedto bring up that I didn't get to
bring up. So all right,here we go. I think we're gonna

(42:13):
go. I'm frozen up. Whyam I frozen? Oh m hmmmm,
hopefully I'm still broadcasting. I'm notsure if I am or not, because
everything's frozen on my computer. That'snot good. Come on now, come

(42:40):
on, come on, come on. Oh no, and I'm not sure.
Oh shit, d bah bah,I might have to restart. I

(43:07):
might have to restart. You cansee me. Oh my goodness, I'm
looking. Everything's frozen. I can'tdo anything. I can't actually, like,
I can't. I can't fix anythingbecause it's like, uh, it's
all frozen. I'm waiting for chrometo because this is not responding. But

(43:30):
I'm still broadcasting. That's weird.So let me see if I can fix
this. I''m not sure if Ican because I don't know what I'm doing
here. Oh crap, all right, I'm gonna have to restart. I'm

(43:50):
gonna have to restart because everything's brokenand it's not letting me. I'm streaming,
but I can't do anything, allright. Uh, I don't know
what to do. I think I'mgonna I'm gonna I'm gonna shut down.
I'm gonna restart, so I'll beback in just a second, okay,
guys, because like everything is everything'sfrozen and I can see the comments,

(44:14):
but everything's blotted out or like fadedout. So I'll be right right back.
I think, oh, wait,wait for program to respond. Maybe
it don't respond if I do that, Come on, baby, come on,
baby, come on baby. Maybenot all right, I'm gonna restart

(45:07):
what I'm still live? Did Ifix that? Did I actually come back
into the same broadcast? Holy shit? That's weird. Let me know.
Oh I think I'm back. Idon't know. Let me know, because

(45:27):
that's weird. That is so weird. Like I completely shut down. I
closed it out, and you knowhow like you opened chrome back up and
it's like, do you want torestore it? Restored me right back into
it and like live everything. Ididn't have a I didn't have an option.
Wow, that's fucking awesome. Ilove that. Let me see if

(45:50):
I can break it again. Allright, So I'm gonna try and share
this screen. Okay, there wego. Oh my goodness, technical difficulties.
All right. So this is theother one. This is the last
picture that I have to go ontonight. Um, and this is a
picture. This was JD's suggestion,and it's the famous Mary Todd Lincoln photo

(46:15):
done by William H. Momer,who was the guy that pretty much brought
spirit photography into existence. He's theone that led the charge because he had
taken a photo allegedly he um,oh, Stacy, no, Stacy,

(46:35):
no, we will miss you.We will miss you. We'll be here
for another hour or fifteen minutes,so come on back, all right.
So William H. Momer, hetook a picture of himself. He did
a selfie pretty much. He dida self portrait where he allegedly, and
I have to stress that allegedly caughta ghost. He caught some extra person

(47:01):
in it, and that was whatwas deemed the first like spirit photography or
spirit photograph. He started doing itlater on where people would just sit for
photos and an extra person would showup. And this one was taken of

(47:21):
Mary Todd Lincoln. There's some discrepancybetween about what year this was taken.
It's usually put up about eighteen seventy, but I've also seen reports between eighteen
sixty nine and eighteen seventy two,so we don't know when it was actually
taken. But this was taken,and I mean, you guys can see

(47:45):
it. You probably have already seenthis before. So if I zoom in
here, Mary Todd Lincoln, andif you look, there's definitely this ghostly
image and this is supposed to beAbraham Lincoln. And I actually did try
to find a photo poto that matchedthis because you can see the big ear.
I mean, that's a big assear, and Abraham Lincoln had big

(48:06):
freaking ears, so it definitely lookslike him. But one of the things
that you have to you have tounderstand with these kind of photos, especially
with Momur's photos, is that alot of these alleged spirits were very very
faded, very faded. Um,it's it's not you don't get good detail.

(48:30):
So you could actually have a faceon there that looked kind of similar
to your your loved one, you'redead loved one, but it didn't have
to be an exact match because itwas faded enough. I mean, even
looking at the screen, you guyscan see you can kind of make out

(48:51):
hair, you can make out abeard, you can make out eyes and
a nose. But that's what weall have. So you could put similar
looking people in there, images oftheir faces and it could probably pass for
it. Some of the accounts thatI read had Mary Todd was not actually

(49:12):
convinced at first that she had tobe convinced that yes, this was indeed
your husband. So Dad tells meright away, like all right, something's
going on here. And actually awarrior brings up a good point from YouTube.
He says, the model is notcentered and leave place for a ghost.

(49:34):
Yes, a lot of his imagesdid do that. They left enough
space for a ghost to show up. Because they were expecting it. You
know, they were expecting it,and he knew they were going to show
up because people were paying them.He knew what he was doing. You
have to remember this is the eighteenseventies and even before that, So eighteen
sixties eighteen seventies, photography is stillkind of news. It's still developing.

(50:00):
Pardon the punt. There's new typesthat are coming up, new types of
photography that are being experimented on,and it's still new and most people,
the majority of people have no understandingof photography. They don't know how it
works. They don't understand the process. I mean even today, a lot
of people don't understand the process.They you know, you point and shoot,

(50:23):
you pick up your phone, youpointed at something, Boom, you
tap the screen and you take apicture. They don't understand the process.
And this is especially true when you'redealing with plate photography. I mean,
shit, there's so much involved withthis. So with these, actually,
one thing really popped up to me, and I want to show you this

(50:45):
because I actually got this image specificallyfor this, and this shows six of
his images. These are all aboutthe same guy, William Momer. I
want to zoom in and show youthere's something that's just so. It's stuck

(51:06):
out to me with these pictures,and I know you guys are looking at
it, and you're probably like lookingat your screen like, oh, what
is it? Let me find itbefore he says it. I'll give you
a second. I'm gonna take adrink, give you a second. Oh
that's good. Okay. So whatI'm finding is that all these ghosts are

(51:32):
wearing white. So not only arethey wearing white, they're all in white
dresses. But they all have similarlooking bodies, especially these two right here
with the way the awkward position ofthe arms around the shoulders. These also

(51:54):
have awkward position around the shoulders.But if you know what to look for
beforehand, I mean, you cantotally set this up. I mean,
I feel bad for this guy.He looks like he's passed out or you
know, passed out, drunk ordead. I don't know. It wasn't
flash powder used back then. No, so what because these usually these photos

(52:16):
took so long, they needed muchmore. They needed daylight. And when
you take pictures like this, basicallyyou were sitting there for a few minutes,
and most of these it's not evidentin these pictures because you can't see

(52:37):
it. I mean it was madenot to see it. But there was
a headrest. There was actually aheadrest like like what you see behind here.
It was a very small one thatcame up and you put your head
against it, so you could actuallysit there for like two or three minutes
without moving your head because then youwould get that blur so it would have

(53:00):
to it would wait, what's thissay? Paul Brownie says, long exposure
with someone walking away only act afew seconds minutes. So the problem with
that is that these people would realizethat you would hear somebody walking behind you,
you would know someone is behind you. What was found not proved because

(53:21):
Momer actually was accused of fraud andhe went and he went to court.
He was very successful with the riseof spirit photography, but eventually he was
his spirits. And if you don'tknow this, this is a fun story.
But eventually he messed up with hisghosts because one of the people that

(53:43):
came in for a photograph recognized hiswife in one of one of the spirits
as one of the spirits and waslike, you know, oh shit,
that's my wife. The problem washis wife wasn't dead, she was very
much alive. And then others startedcoming out and realizing some of the ghosts
were actually living people in the town, which led to accusations of fraud and

(54:07):
dragging him in the court. Sohe actually I think he was based in
the UK. He left there andcame to the States. I think no
am I no, no, I'mscrewed up here. I think he was
in Boston. That was in I'mlooking at my notes here. He was
in Boston. He did that.He came to New York, and I

(54:31):
pretty sure that he died Penningless becausehe got out of spirit photography and just
he lost it. He lost allcredibility because of these. But the point
that I'm trying to make with someof these photographs is that I think these
are just faces. He was ableto grab photographs of people, either on

(54:52):
the street, from people that camein and wanted pictures taken of their family,
or maybe news papers where he cutout the head and just put it
on a generic body. If youeven just go out and just take a
picture of yourself like this, andthen you can cut out your face later

(55:14):
put paste that face on, ortake a photo of it and use the
same plate. I'm getting ahead ofmyself. So with these kind of photographs,
you actually coated a plate, aglass plate with chemicals, light sensitive
chemicals. You loaded it and loadedit into the camera, and then when
you were ready to take the picture, you uncovered the lens. Because it

(55:37):
was usually like a cap or adark cloth, you uncovered it, you
exposed it for a few minutes,and then you covered it up developed a
plate, and that's how you wouldget it. In order to reuse those
plates, you had to clean them, clean them thoroughly, get everything off.
If you did not clean them thoroughly, it left the imprint from the

(55:58):
last image. And therefore, ifyou took a picture of somebody and then
rephotographed someone else, you would havea ghostly image. The first person that
was photographed would be a ghost,which is pretty much the case in all
of these these faces and or bodieswe're photographed beforehand. This, this little

(56:21):
child, this looks fake as shit. I mean, this is horrible.
The way this is a position.The head doesn't look proportional. This arm,
I don't know what's going on withthis arm, but it's way too
short. I think they're missing likethe forearm on the whole photo. These
things don't like. I almost wantto say he had a mannequin that he

(56:45):
would take pictures of in various positionsand then stick the head on later.
I don't have do I have?Where's my where's my retouching desk? Hold
on, don't go anywhere. I'llbe right back. I'm gonna show you
something. It's really cool. Idon't know if I showed this before.

(57:06):
What am I gonna show it now? Just to give you an idea of
what people would do, so I'mgonna stop sharing this. So this is
called a retouching desk. People woulduse this when they did this kind of

(57:27):
photography. They would use this toactually do the I guess you would call
it the non digital or better yet, the analog photoshop. So I'm gonna
see if I can set this uphere without breaking it. So this would
come up. This was your blind, and then this would come up a
little bit here. Let me seeright there, and then this would come

(57:51):
up. So let me tighten this. So there you go. This is
a retouching desk. You can seethat there's a mirror underneath here. This
would be placed at a window duringthe day and then sun would actually sunlight
would come in the window, comeoff the mirror and then go through this
translucent pain here. Your photographic platewould go on here and you could actually

(58:15):
work on it. There were teamsof people that would actually sit here for
hours and hours with little knives andpens or a paintbrushes with Indian inc and
work on a photo a photo negativeright here, and that was your old
school photoshop. You could actually makefat people like me skinny. You could

(58:37):
take out blemishes, you could takeout admiralties. I recently posted an article
about a photograph for a skeptical choirwhere there's a picture that a woman had
a big like I don't know ifit was a tumor, but there was
a big bulge on her neck,and these old school retouchers were able to

(58:58):
take that completely out. Um Soyou could actually get a photo of people
around town and cut out literally cutout their faces and then post it in
uh. You could put it downon something like this, photograph it on
the plate and then re photographed thatwith like a with a sitter, and

(59:20):
then there you go. You wouldhave your your ghost. Wow. I
wonder if I could do that Iwould have to try that. That sounds
pretty cool, h But this isa this is cool, this is antique,
this is like, this is oneof my pride, pride and enjoys.
I mean, I love this.I've wanted one of these for a
long time and I finally was ableto get once. All right, So

(59:43):
that's that's about it. Let mesee what Warrior says. Could he also
put a drawing in the background whenthe model sit upon when the model would
sit open the light and then wesee a shadow behind on the wall.
Excuse my English, I'm French Canadian, no problem. So basically I think

(01:00:05):
what you're saying, could there bea drawing behind them in the background there?
Yeah, I don't know, becausea lot of these are like if
if you look, let me seelet me let me share this again.
If you look at especially like thisone, let me get in here,

(01:00:28):
you can see that it goes belowlike this is the background, the light
color is the background, and thenwhere this line is this is the floor.
So this image actually goes onto thefloor. So that's telling me that
it's not something drawing on the background, because that would actually that would have
to be not only drawing on thebackground, but on the floor. And

(01:00:50):
you can also see that the hand, the hand here comes over top of
the woman that's actually sitting, sothat would be you couldn't have an image
in the background that's drawn on thebackground come up like that, so it
would have to be something that wasput on later. But the good question,
good question, Paul Browning's lump inthe neck. Yeah, there was

(01:01:15):
a lump in the neck. Imean it was. It was pretty cool.
The stuff that people can do withold time, like old school fucking
photoshop. It took them hours.Like the stuff that we do today.
Let me let me get this outof here. The stuff that we too
today do today with photoshop that takesus like two or three clicks, It

(01:01:36):
used to take them hours and hoursto do. And I can understand how
like they go blind because you know, you're thinking, like, holy shit,
um let me see get that outof there. They would sit there
at at a desk like this infront of the window with little tiny knives,

(01:01:57):
not like this, but little tinyknives and just scrape away parts of
the emulsion, which is the whatyou get with the chemicals, the chemical
emotional emulsion that's on the back ofthe plate, you'd scrape a little bit
away, or you take some Indianink and add in little details. Amazing,
amazing stuff that they used to do. But uh yeah, I mean

(01:02:22):
I really think that. In myopinion, which is not an expert opinion,
but it's my opinion, William Mohmerfigured out how to do double exposures.
He understood what was going on,and therefore he took advantage of it,
and people ate it up because thegeneral public just simply did not understand

(01:02:44):
photography and h and he got awaywith it for a couple of years until
you know, he made a mistakeand started putting living people in his photos.
M let's see what are we gothere? Goiter? I don't know
what you're referring to. What doyou what do you mean, goiter?

(01:03:06):
I'm not sure what that what thatmeans. Let's say Kathy says, one
of my cousins had a goiter.They wanted him to give surgery. Oh
okay, you're talking about the lumpin the neck. Okay, Oh that's
that's interesting. What knife is that? That's my pocket knife. It's it's
not a big deal. It's justa pocket knife. Um picked it up

(01:03:29):
I mean I've I've always carried aknife because I mean I worked mechanics.
I'm a mechanic, so I've doneauto mechanic, aerospace, and then even
what I do now and uh engineering, I always carried a knife so always.
Uh. So that's it for thepictures that I have. UM,

(01:03:52):
thank you guys for sending sending themin. I appreciate it. If you
guys have any other questions, itis now open mic night, so if
you have other questions that are paranormwill related. We can talk about ghosts,
which is usually what I do,but we can also talk about maybe
some UFOs or bigfoot whatever. Thisis your show, guys, so if

(01:04:12):
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It might be a real short night. But for now I'm gonna play my
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(01:04:39):
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(01:06:03):
all right, So that's like Isaid, that's it for my pictures that
I have. If you guys havequestions, this is the time throw them
in there. See what's coming up. I'm looking at messages. People are
sending me. Otherwise, I willgo to the announcements that I have and

(01:06:24):
then move on. It might bea short night, I hope not,
because I do love spending time withyou guys. All Right, so let's
say um for announcements until some questionsstart filing. In. Tomorrow night,
I will be on Three Tortured Souls. It's a podcast that I do with

(01:06:46):
Tim Vickers and Dave Schumacher and wetake a look at one topic usually and
then really do a deep dive intoit. And tomorrow we're gonna be talking
about protection practices. So I askeda little question on Facebook today about what
people do when they go on likeparanormal investigations and if they do any kind

(01:07:08):
of protection kind of thing or ritualor something like that before, during,
or after. So we're gonna talkabout that, what people do, why
they do it, and why wethink people do it. It's not mean,
it's it's not meant to make funof anyone or you know, criticize
beliefs. It's just a discussion.We're gonna look into it. And then

(01:07:32):
Sunday night, Sunday night, atnine o'clock PM, I'm actually gonna do
a podcast I haven't done it ina long time. It's geeks and ghosts.
So I used to do that showwith my buddy Lou in California,
and we used to do It's allpop culture kind of stuff. We would
talk about comics and movies and TVshows and just whatever came up, and

(01:07:56):
it kind of we kind of wentaway for a while, and then all
the Star Wars stuff came up,so we actually decided, you know,
we got to talking about it,and we want to do a show.
So we're gonna do that. We'realso gonna be joined by my friend Joe
Downey, who was an also he'salso a Star Wars nut. So we're
gonna be doing that and that isSunday night at nine o'clock if you're interested.

(01:08:18):
So oh, oh my goodness,my wife is asking a question.
Holy shit, I wonder why therearen't a lot of ghosts Santa photos,
ghost Santa photos, so like gettingpictures of Santa. You know, that's

(01:08:41):
actually it's interesting, you know,like because I mean, little kids,
if you're watching this and you believein Santa, go away, go talk
to your parents. But I mean, that's that's not bad because like Santa,
the legend of Santa is so ingrainedin our culture, at least the

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American culture, that you would thinkthere would be like some kind of tabloid
kind of shit at least out theresaying, oh, look we actually got
Santa. Um, you know,we got a picture of him. This
is really exists because we have somany of like the Little Green Men,

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we have locked that monster. Wehave ghosts everywhere, Bigfoot is everywhere.
What the fuck you know? NoSanta? I don't know. I don't
know why it would be interesting.Maybe maybe you should create one and then
I can debunk it. All right, what else we got? Warrior says,

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what is the story with Norse gods? That's a long story. I
don't know. I don't know whatyou mean, like the history? Do
you want the history of it?I can't get into that now because that's
way too long. Um, butI'm not sure unless you mean, like,
what's the story with this? Ifthat's what you mean, If this

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is what you mean, say yes, that's what I meant in the comments,
and then I'll get back to that. So all right, j D
says, Donna, did somebody watchit? Timmi mhm uh. Kathy says,
he only comes once a year,poor guy. Um. The rest

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of the time he's at the northpole. Your necklace. Yes, oh,
tattoo. So it's more it's moresymbolism. It's like personal symbolism for
me, um so many many yearsago. And this is not I had
the other one actually in a differentplace, the original one that I had

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exactly the same as this hammer.My wife got this for me, and
it was more of a joke.It was It was a fun joke.
It wasn't meant to to piss anyoneoff or like make fun of people.
But I have a habit of UM. When people bring me their ghost stories,
photos and videos and stuff, youknow, I do what I do.
I look into it, I tryto explain it. And there's been

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several times when I I've made peoplecry um. I haven't meant to,
that was not my intention, butI've made people cry um or upsets or
angry where they're they storm off andall kinds of shit like that. So
we were at the UM. Ithink we're I think we were at the

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U and correct me if I'm wrong, because she's in the next room.
But I think we were at thethe fair. UM. The UM the
Renaissance Fair. When she got meone. She got me this, uh,
the the original one, um,and it was meant to symbolize how
I crushed the whole some dreams ofghost hunters everywhere. And it was just

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she was making fun of more ofme. We're having a joke of it.
Not a big deal, but itwas cool. Like I took that
as like, oh cool, youknow, I like that. The hammer.
Oh Gettysburg, thank you, thankyou, Donna. We're in Gettysburg.
And she got me one of these, and uh, the original one
our dog got a hold of andchewed up. So we got a replacement,

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the same exact one though, AndI've upgrade it to uh Odin's Wolves
just because I liked that. Ilike the story, like I like Thor
like Odin. I like the storybehind it and the the I don't know,
I just I dig it. SoI've went with it ever since.

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Um, I've just gone with itwhere it's not so much to crush the
hopes and dreams, but it's tocrush the misinformation that's out there, you
know, the bad shit that's outthere when people are are spreading misinformation or
they are are spreading stuff that's pseudoscience. Like I mean, once in a

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while when I'm writing, I'm like, i'm writing, I'm writing, I'm
typing, typing, and sometimes Iactually like do this like ting ting ting,
and I make fun of myself goingting ting ting, I'm hammering it
down. So that's that's basically thestory behind it is that it represents that
I'm I'm not taking the bullshit,uh that I'm gonna hammer it down.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna fight my waythrough it and get to the truth.
So really cool stuff, and it'sbeen with me ever since. Um I
opened it up. You know,it's Thor's Hammer Productions. That's that's my
production company. So I went withit. It was a cool thing.
And and you know, thanks tomy wife for for starting that. I

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appreciate it. So there you go. That's that's It's a cool story.
Bro. I like that. Allright, we have we still have like
forty five minutes left, so ifyou guys have questions, please please put
them in there. Almost anything.I'm willing to answer almost almost and for
those before you even ask boxer briefs, that's what I prefer. Um.

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But yeah, oh good good,I'm glad you like it. It's a
cool story. I like it,and it's nice that. Uh, it's
something that's become more than just anecklace, you know. It becomes like
the symbol that I use on myvideos, and I use it my logo,
my logo, my actually logo.You can't see it. Let me

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change the logo up here because youmight be able to see it better.
You can actually see it up inmy logo, like right up in it,
right on my shirt. You seeit hanging around. So that's me.
M Oh, what is this?Donna says you. You would think

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there would be a lot of ghostSanta photos dropping presents by the trees.
You know, we could totally makethat. We could totally make it,
you would think. But no,no, I guess because it's more for
kids, and kids aren't There's notmany kids out there that are like,
I'm gonna fucking get a picture ofSanta. I'm gonna fucking prove that he's

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real and show all my friends inschool that I'm not fucking crazy and they're
gonna stop calling me a little kid. I don't think there's a lot of
people like that, So yeah,you know, poor Santa Kathy says Thor
is a very powerful god. Hewill definitely teach you how to destroy stuff.
I agree, I totally agree.All right, so I guess there's

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no more questions for tonight, whichis okay. I mean we can we
can actually get out early. Um. You know what I had, I
had an idea for a contest thatI was gonna run that. My wife
actually came up with a good idea, and I think I wrote it down,
but I don't remember what it was. I don't remember because I want

(01:16:03):
to do a giveaway. I wantto do a giveaway because I actually have
Let me see where is it?Where is it? Maybe it'll come to
me as I'm talking. Let's see, So I got, I gotta,
I gotta really cool. Let mesee. This is mine because I'm keeping

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this because this is directly to me. So a friend of mine. UM.
A while ago, I had ayoung lady on Her name was Elle
Harris, and she did a Shewrote a book called Ell the Humanist UM
and I also got her sister,Bailey Harris actually did these books. Um.

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This is a special edition which hasa forward by Richard Dawkins. M
oh Donna's telling me we can't doit tonight the giveaway. Oh what did
I do? I forget what itwas. I forget what the giveaway was.
I totally forget what I was supposedto do. But I'm gonna I'm

(01:17:12):
gonna give you a precursor though,So let's see. Oh wait, I
have it over here. I haveso many books. So this is from
Bailey Harris. M oh, there'sEl's book. So she did these books
called Stardus really cool books, reallygood for like critical thinking and signs for
kids. And then this actually cameout. It was very uh it's kind

(01:17:36):
of new with the forward by RichardDawkins. So next week I will be
doing a giveaway because I have tofigure out what the contest was before I
actually put it up. But it'sgoing to be a more of a giveaway
than a contest. So tune innext week. And I don't know what.
I'm trying to get a guest on. I'm not going to tell you

(01:17:58):
who because I don't I don't knowif it's confirmed yet, but I'm gonna
try and have a guest on andthen I will have this contest slash giveaway
ready for next week. But again, if you have kids. UM.
I do suggest these books, BileyHarris L Harris, Um. They are
awesome books for kids, young kids. We're talking young kids, UM,

(01:18:18):
because I'll show you real quick what'sinside, um, how it's sit up.
So this is basically how it looksinside. So it's definitely for younger
kids. UM. But I'll gointo that more next week when I know
what I'm doing. All right,So I think my I'm gonna I'm gonna

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wrap this up. My Book ofa Week is a very simple book.
I got this through Amazon because Iwas looking up like critical thinking stuff.
Every week if you're if you're notfamiliar with the show, I do a
book of the week, or atleast I try to. And it's it's
a book that i've read, thatI've gone through that I recommend because it's
me with my investigations, with myunderstanding of different sciences, or just anything

(01:19:04):
pretty much. And this week isthe miniature guide to critical thinking concepts and
tools. And it's when I sayminiature, I mean it's it's small.
It's just the pomb on your hand. I really didn't think. I thought
it was just like a small book. But when it came in the mail,
it came in an envelope and Iwas like, what the fuck did

(01:19:25):
I order? I don't know,and I opened it up. I mean,
it's it's pretty thin, but itdeals with all your concepts of critical
thinking, steps to critical think andto understand things better. Let's see what
else is there? Steps? There'sgraphs in here to help you understand the

(01:19:47):
steps better, and it really is. It's a quick read, but it
gives you so much knowledge. Andit's a pocket guide. It really is
a pocket guide. You can throwit in your backpack, your tool kit
and just you know, have fun. You can enjoy it, so I
definitely recommend it. It is calledThe Miniature Guide to Critical Thinking Concept and
Tools by Richard Paul and Linda Elder. So I'll put that. I'll put

(01:20:11):
that up there so you can seethat. Really really cool. I love
it. I'm glad. I gotthat, really glad. And I think
that's it or I mean, wehave time, and I feel bad for
actually like bilin early, so I'moh, hey, we got a new
one. Leah, Leah, fwhat's up? I love the hair.

(01:20:33):
That's cool. That's like flavor read. I love that. That's awesome.
So let me see you know whatwe have. I still have this next
to me. Should we do aremote viewing challenge? Should we? Should
we do one this week and actually, like you know, do a reveal
next week. We'll do it.We'll give you a whole week. Let's

(01:20:54):
do it. Let's do it.Let's see, she's the one that interviewed
you. Oh hey, what's up? Oh that's cool, very cool?
All right, so let's see.All right, I'm going to I want
to pick something, all right,I have something here, let me see

(01:21:15):
it. All right, you cansee that, right, I'm gonna put
it over here so you can't seeit. And then I'm gonna reach over
I have something already picked out.You can't see it. Just make it
sure putting it in the box.I'm gonna lock it up, so it's
in there. All right, it'sin there. I'm gonna put the lock

(01:21:40):
on it. I got the lock. I'm pretty sure I have the key.
There you go, it's locked.So with this, So if you're
not familiar with the Remote Viewing Challenge, this is the box. That's the
official box that has a target ideaon here TK four two one. If
you know the reference, let meknow. But Basically, this will stay

(01:22:02):
in here for a week. Okay, it'll be in here for the next
show, and i'll open this.I'll only unlock this for the next show.
Even my wife who is in thenext room listening, she doesn't know
what I put in here, andshe doesn't have a key either. Only
I have a key. So basically, this is the thing. If you

(01:22:25):
guess what's in there, and it'sgot to be a pretty good guess.
You can't just guess like air.Don't guess air, because that pisses me
off everyone else. You know,there's always one person that says, oh,
there's air in the box. No, no shit. If you guess
something that's really close, you describeit like it's metal or it's plastic,
it's blue, it's this and that. You can't just say it's blue.

(01:22:45):
You have to actually give me specificguesses. But feel free. I'll post
a picture tonight or tomorrow morning ofthis and then you guys can guess all
you want. I really don't putUsually I say one guess person, but
you know, have at it,have fun, and if you win,

(01:23:05):
I usually offer a prize, andI usually have that prize ready to go.
But since I'm just doing this asa like spurred a moment thing because
I wasn't really prepared for tonight.I'm gonna say I will give you.
I will if you guess what's inhere, like right on the money,

(01:23:29):
if you guess what's on here,what's in here, I'll give you my
Annabell Doll mine. This is mylike, this is my personal one.
I've had this for years. Iwill give you this, and you know,
maybe i'll right on the back ofit like used to be property of
Kenny Biddle. I don't know ifthat means anything, but that'll be the

(01:23:49):
prize. So Annabelle Doll. Isthat a good prize? I don't know.
I know some of you, theStar Wars fans are probably saying I
want grow grew, but that's notever going to happen. Actually, you
know what, fuck it, I'lldo that. If you can guess accurately
what's in this box, what's inthis remote viewing box, I will give

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you this and I will give youthis. So there you go. It's
on record. You get both ofthese. Um if you can guess it
right. That's how confident I amthat no one will guess it. So
there you go. How about that? Uh, Leah says, that's raggedy

(01:24:34):
Ann though I know that's Annabelle.Annabelle is a raggedy ann Andy is the
other one, but that's not Annabelle. This this might be haunted. This
one might be haunted. I'm notsure. I'm not sure. A lighter,
I don't know. I can't revealuntil next week, so that's I'll

(01:24:56):
keep it up there. Like Isaid, I'll post a picture up later,
um of the of this thing,and I'll put the rules up there.
Uh that explain you know exactly whatyou have to do, how you
have to guess, and then youhave until next Friday to come up with
a correct guess. And I'll doso. Let's see, go to my

(01:25:18):
I Am Kenny Biddle page. That'swhere I'm gonna post it. So only
the answers that come up under theI Am Kenny Biddle page post will count.
Um. That's just to make surethat they're all in one area and
I can check them and not missanything. Um. But I'll post it
up there. Come to that page. If you haven't liked it, like
it, subscribe, you know,check it out, because that makes me

(01:25:42):
feel good. But yeah, postyour post your guests there, and then
we'll go from there. Next weekI will reveal it. Oh my bad,
it's all good. It's all good, No big deal, m because
I have Andy. I have raggedyAndy too, but that's on the other
side. Yeah, I know,I'm a grown man with dolls. But

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they're all supposed to be haunted,but they never do anything. Like I've
been waiting for this thing to walkaround forever. I have Blinky Blinky.
The doll is still over in theother corner, over on that side.
She hasn't blinked her eyes. I'mstill waiting. Let's see what else do
we have here? Makes volume louderbecause I hate Christmas really, that's oh,

(01:26:30):
I'm sorry here to I'm not abig fan of Christmas music. I
used to be, not so muchanymore. Kathy says, I'll keep baby
Yoda, but not the freaking doll. You know, I have so much
stuff. I think you guys haveseen a lot of the things that I

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that I posted. People have givenme stuff over the years, including like
weird dolls that are supposed to behaunt but they're all together, like they're
literally all together in boxes and nothinghas ever happened, so I'm not I'm
not worried about that. I mean, I would love for this thing to
like get up and walk around.It would be freaking fantastic. I would

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I would absolutely love it. Um, But it doesn't. It doesn't.
Actually, you know what was reallycool And I'm just talking now. I'm
just I'm just going off. Ihope you guys are okay with this.
But I actually listened to an interviewthat was with um Eddin Loreene Warren,
who I'm not a fan of umand they're I think I think it's their

(01:27:39):
nephew. Uh Sapiro, Uh whoawhat man? I forget his name.
I forget the first name, Sapiro. I think it's their their nephew.
But it was like an early Iwant to say, like early eighties or
maybe nineties TV show like UM publicaccess kind of show where they talked about

(01:28:00):
Annabelle. They talked about like gettingAnnabelle. And this is a story that
I've never actually like really looked into. I've never investigated it because you know,
I just never got around to it. But now I'm actually interested.
I might actually dig into this alittle bit. UM with the two nurses,
and and like who they are,where where this stuff happened. But

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one of the claims Ed made wasthat this doll much like this one,
I mean, the the the Iguess the actual Annabel doll is bigger than
this. It's much larger, butpretty much the same made, made the
same way, just stuffing nothing inthere. Um. Yeah, I'm talking

(01:28:44):
about their their nephew. Oh no, not the nephew. Zapis noum Tony
Sapiro. That's that's who I'm talkingabout. So I don't know if it's
a nephew or cousin or grandson.I'm not sure who Tony Sapiro is to
them, but he was the onedoing the interview anyway. So the the
original Annabel doll is much bigger thanthis. Um probably like you know,

(01:29:09):
maybe a footbigger this, but itbasically the same. And one of the
claims that Ed made was that thesenurses came home and this thing was standing,
It was actually standing there waiting forthem, which I mean, when
you given what this doll is,you let go. It doesn't stand at

(01:29:31):
all. Um, it doesn't haveanything to actually make it stand. It
doesn't have muscles, tendons, bones, you know, all that stuff that
helps a person stand. It doesn'thave any of that. So it'd be
interesting to see like this thing getup and walk. I don't think I
would be scared. I would bemore like, how to fuck you?

(01:29:54):
Doing it? Like? That's prettycool? What are you? What are
you gotten there? You know?Can I see? I don't know?
All right? I think I babbledon enough. No more questions. Last
chance. If you guys got questionsthat you want to get into talk about
debate, I'll give you a fewseconds. You can put it up there

(01:30:17):
and we can get into it.Otherwise, I think I'm gonna wrap it
up at least for the night.I got no strings. That's good.
That's an iron Man reference. Nice. I like that all right. So,
like I said, tomorrow night,I have the I have three toured

(01:30:41):
souls eight o'clock eight pm Eastern.I'll be doing it with Tim Vickers and
Dave Schumacher. Our topic tomorrow nightis protection practices, which should be interesting.
Sunday night eight o'clock or no Sundaynight at nine o'clock pm Eastern time,

(01:31:01):
we I will be doing geeks andghosts with my buddy Lou and another
buddy, Joe Downey. We're gonnabe talking all things Star Wars. So
if you're a geek and you wantto come out and hang out, we're
gonna be broadcasting on the Geeks andGhosts Facebook page. We'll be streaming live
and you guys can join into theconversation and just you know, have at

(01:31:25):
it all out nerd debate. Imean, oh god, that's gonna be
terrible. And then that's it.I mean, I don't have I don't
have any other things coming up becauseyou know, COVID just fucked all of
us and there's nothing going on.There's absolutely knowing nothing going on. The

(01:31:47):
next event that I have actually is, excuse me, m January seventh,
I'll be doing a zoom call.I'm doing a lecture for the Sydney Skeptics.
So yeah, Sydney Australia skeptics.I'll be doing a lecture for them.
And then that's I think that's it. Crap, there's nothing going on,

(01:32:12):
So sad, so sad. Oh, no, Stacy, your son
got exposed. Did he get tested? Hopefully hopefully he got tested and it
was negative. I don't know,but all right, so that's it.
Um, I think I'm gonna getout of here. You guys, stay

(01:32:32):
safe. Thank you again for onceagain joining me on a Friday night and
hanging out. I know the showwas kind of I only had a few
pictures to go through and there wasn'ttoo much to fill it. I hope
you enjoyed yourself anyway, and comeback next week Friday night, nine o'clock.

(01:32:53):
I'll be here, hopefully with aguest. Next week. We'll see,
but uh, in the meantime,have a great weekend, stay safe,
drink up, and uh, youknow, never never stop learning.
That's it, that really is it, Just never stop learning? And uh,
yeah, I'm out of here.I finally I stoled enough to get

(01:33:15):
the video up so I could queueit up. All right, see you
later, guys,