The Skeptical Help Bar - YOUR Spooky Experiences - Skeptical Help Bar with Kenny Biddle - Paranormal/Skeptical

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Oh yeah, that feels good.Ante's good. Hmm. Welcome back,

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welcome back. It's Friday night.That must mean the Skeptical help bar.
It's open once again. What's up, guys and girls and everyone else?
Let me know who's here. Isee a few people here already. Let
me know who's here. What you'redrinking, what you've been up to this
week? And we're gonna get intoa show tonight. Feeling a little bit

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better than I did last week.Last week I was in a lot of
pain, a lot of pain.What's up, JD. I've been in
pain pretty much all week, butfrom modern medicine, I've been feeling better
and getting through it. Hey JoeDowney, bitch Joe Downey and my cheating

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friend, my Star Wars cheating friend, Hey Bob. But yeah, every
day it's doing better. I'm definitelyrecovering a little bit better. I'm feeling
better. I can move a littlebit, I can sit here without being
in agony, which by the endof the show last week I was,
and then I did. I actuallydid a podcast during the week with a

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friend of mine, um while withTed who runs the wlf E SDB network,
and I was on there for alittle bit, and then I had
to get out because I was likein agony. Hey Carol, but doing
better, And so I'm back foranother episode. I'm already drinking and hopefully

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that's mixing with the pain meds thatare already in me, and we're all
gonna do good. Ah. Solet's go over the rules for anyone that's
gonna join us for the first time, or maybe you're just dropping by.
So rule number one, this showis for paranormal related questions. Your paranormal
related questions, feel free to putthem in the chat room and I will

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do my best to give you myskeptical opinion on the matter. It's not
always right, but I try.That leads me into my second rule,
which is I don't know everything.I try. I really do try to
know as much as possible, butit's just not possible. There's only so
much I can put in this brainhere. Hey, kat, So,

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I don't know everything. And ifI don't know what you're talking about,
I will look it up, andif we have time, I will definitely
look it up during the show,and if not, I'll write it down
on my handy notebook that I havealways have here and I will look it
up later and familiarize myself with itso that I'm better prepared for the next
time it comes around. So numberthree roule Number three is this is always

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open for friendly discussion. If youhave a question. If you are kind
of like nervous about to ask askingquestion because you're afraid about what people will
say, don't worry. This isjust open for friendly communication between people of
all different backgrounds and beliefs, andwe discuss it. Everybody is cool in
the chat room. You guys havegreat discussions in the chat room, and

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then we have discussions going back andforth. And if you get onto the
show like tonight, we're going toopen that up. Hey, Diane,
I said it right. You're morethan welcome to come on the show tonight
due to our theme and talk aboutyour experience or if you know another theme,
you have a different experience or aquestion or something you want to go

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into more detail, welcome to comeon and talk as long as we keep
it clean and well not clean,but you know friendly because it's never clean
because we drop fbombs all over theplace and we drink a lot. So
there you go. Tonight's theme isI want to discuss your spooky experiences.
So if you've had an experience,and this is all up to you,

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there's there's no obligation. But ifyou've had an experience like with ghosts or
some kind of cryptid like Bigfoot ora ce monster, if you've had some
kind of encounter with UFOs or aliensor even religious mysteries, because I would
really like to get into those,but there's not there's not a lot.

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Yeah, Bob clean, I knowif you have had an experience like that
and you've never been able to explainit, why don't you put it in
the chat room again. We're gonnatry this new thing. I started it
last week. I mentioned it lastweek. If you want to put a
question up to get my attention,please put question and then the word question

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and then write out your question orQ. I forget who did it.
Somebody just put Q and then likea dash and then wrote out their question.
That gets my attention, and Ican when I scroll through, because
you guys know, sometimes I've scrolledthrough and then it just the comments like
jump ahead and I lose my place, So that helps me figure it out
better. But yeah, tonight Ifigured it would be a fun exercise if

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we can go through some of yourexperiences and just not like let's get all
skeptic on them, but let's getall critical thinking on them. Basically,
you know, let's let's look atsome of the details. Let's let's filter
out some of the information that reallydoesn't it really isn't relevant, and then
look at the information that is,and maybe it'll help give us a better

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understanding, both you and me aboutwhat's going on. So I hope this
is a good theme, because ifnot, then it is going to be
a really short show because I gotnothing else except alcohol. So there you
go. So I see there,there, we got ten people. That's
good so far. It usually ittakes a little bit to kick it off.

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So if you have any questions,and of course we don't have to
stay with the theme, because wedon't always stay with the theme, but
if you have questions, throw themin the chat room and we can get
you know, going on this untilI see start seeing some comments come in,
I will I have some announcements,a little not too many, but
a few. M oh first andforemost tonight is um hazel nut Rum from

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I believe it's the Sugar Company.And that's from my friend Linda Atwood,
who is one of the awesome volunteerstaff at the White Hill Mansion. She
brought me back a jar of hazelnut rum and it is now gone and
I think it's only been well,it's two weeks. Yeah, it was
two weeks. Two weeks ago.She brought it for me, which is

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awesome. I love it all right, So I'm waiting, no comments yet,
no questions, nobody has any weirdexperiences. Wow, this is going
to be a really short show.Oh man, Oh let's see hi,
Carol, and Joe Downey says playingthe new Star Wars game as we speak.

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Oh my goodness. Joe Downey andI we used to play Trivial Pursuit
Star Wars Edition and we were themost competitive bitches ever ever, Like,
it was so much fun when weplayed. We would drink, we would
eat pizza and other unhealthy food whichtastes really good, and we would play

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for hours and hours, and wewould actually had teams going, so he
would have a team and I wouldhave a team and we play against each
other and then it got intense untilsomebody Joe cheat it at the end.
I think it was our last gameand he got caught cheating. So it
was all fun though, and Iwon, and I still have the belt
because we had a Chewbacca bandalier thatwas the prize because it had all kinds

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of figures. We all donated figuresto it, and I still have it.
All right, So Carol, Carolhas a wow. Okay, so
let's say. Carol says, Okay, here's my quasi spooky thing. I
have theory. But oh I havea theory, but go at it.
Passing, go but go at it. Okay. Passing through South Carolina,

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nearest nearing sunset, followed historic plaquefor old cemetery. Driving down a narrow
lane through woods, it was suddenlypitch black. As I drew nearer the
ancient graveyard, a sliver of mistpassed in front of the car at eye
level. When I got to thecemetery gate, I had serious misgivings about

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wandering a strange place alone. Soturn the car around and hit it back
down the lane. The slipper ofmiss again past. Okay, So I
mean with that, that's you're Ithink you're you're right to say it was
a quasi spooky thing. When you'regoing down dirt roads and I've been through

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that plenty of times, that kindof scenario where you're going down this little
little road or dirt road or orvery like um, out in the middle
of bumble fuck New Jersey. Uh, that's like you're out in nowhere,
in the middle of nowhere, andyou get a mist that comes by.
That's natural, It's perfectly natural.I mean it's spooky. And I think

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in this scenario you have to alsolook at the the the the scenario as
a whole. You're going to acemetery. You were you were actually heading
towards a cemetery at night in thedark, unfamiliar territory. So all this
stuff builds anxiety, All this stuffbuilds all this these biases, and you

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know, thoughts in your head becausecemeteries at night, oh, spooky graveyard
stuff like that, and then seeingsome mist go by, Yeah, it
could it could look scary. Um, do I think it's the mist that
passed you in the beginning, It'sthe same one that passed you when you
left. I doubt it. II definitely almost nine point nine nine percent

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doubt that was the case. Um, it was probably just another bit of
mist going by. But this isa natural thing that happens. It's a
natural occurrence. So I wouldn't looktoo deep into it. Um, I
wouldn't get worried about it. Iwouldn't. It doesn't sound spooky to me.
I mean, yeah, it soundslike a harsh cliche. Um,

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not the downplay your experience, butit sounds like a hard cliche. Yeah,
you know, with the miss comingthrough, I can relate. Um,
My first time out of Gettysburg lawa long time ago, and I
went out the first time I wentout, first time, my wife went
out and we stayed at e whatwas it, the Hurt Tavern. It
was the Hurt Tavern, which isoutside of town, a good bit outside

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of town. We got there kindof late. We checked in and I
really wanted to go into town.It was the first time I've ever been
to Gettysburg. I wanted to seewhat it was about. You know,
I've heard all these stories. Iread Mark Nezbeck's books, which I think
at the time he only had likethree Ghosts of Gettysburg books. So I

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was really hyped about it. AndI was a ghost tonner at the time,
so I was really really into itand on the road leading because I
think we were, let see,I think we were west of town,
outside of town, you know,towards the west, so coming into town.
Before we actually got to the town, we got enveloped by a fog

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and it was it was so thick. I literally had to stop the car
on the road because I couldn't see. The headlights were useless, I couldn't
see anything, and I was sittingthere on the road thinking, holy shit,
we're gonna fucking die because I've stopped. Attractive trailer is gonna come by
and just slam us from behind,and that's it. That's all. She

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wrote, great, visit the Gettysburg. Within five to ten minutes, though,
it passed and we were able tosee again and go and go out.
But during that time, in thebeginning, as it was getting thicker,
you know, there was little whispof mists going by. So I
can relate to your story. SoI yeah, I don't think it's a

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ghost, but it's a spooky story. It's a cool story. So thank
you for sharing you that. Iappreciate that, Carol. J D says
he has a little story, butnot much. I think JD's gonna come
on, So let me get tolet me get to a few days,
and if you don't mind, I'llbring you on JD and then we can
we can talk about your story.If that's okay. Let's see Kevin.

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Hey, Kevin, we love thatpicture, dude. That profile picture is
awesome. Kevin says, I hadsomething weird happened that I could not explain.
I am a skeptic, so Idon't believe in angels, and I'm
sure I must be misremembering. Well, if you want to talk about it,
let's we can dive into it.I don't mind, because we all

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have experiences that we cannot explain,and that's okay. It's not That doesn't
mean you're less skeptical. It doesn'tmean you've lost your skeptic card or anything
like that. It just means thatyou don't have enough information to understand what
actually happened. So maybe it's goodto talk to somebody else and get a
different perspective and might be able tofigure it out. So you're welcome to

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share your story. If you wantto come on, let me on.
What Wow? How much do Ihave to drink? If you want to
come on, let me know,and I will send you an invite to
come on. JD follows up,saying, actually, I have a personal
story, short story, and acouple of secondhand stories. Secondhand stories we

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can we can dump jump into alittle bit. But secondhand stories are always
hard to really get into because there'sless detail, there's less information. We
usually can't ask clarifying questions because ifit's coming secondhand, then you usually don't
know what's going on or you don'thave the information. Kat says, I

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have got a decent few strange thingsthat have happened after spending six years as
a resident investigator at the old Howdo you say that, Gael Goal and
three years doing likewise in an oldhotel? Well sounds good. I would
like to you can come on ifyou want. Let's see Carol Cale's Oh

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come on, it was only myonly semi spooky experience. Give me that.
Oh, Carol, I love it. I love it. Uh,
my kids kids smoking dope. That'snice, Carol. Maybe who knows?
All right? So Bob chimes in. Bob's got a story here. He
says, my wife and I weredriving through a cemetery. Ooh, it's

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like a cemetery theme tonight, aswe were both visiting grave sites of family
members of both of ours. Weboth have family in the same cemetery.
We would get out and visit thegraves. However, whenever we were in
the car and driving to the nextheadstone, our friendly members are spread out
throughout the cemetery, a dog wouldappear and start chasing the car. We

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would not see it when we stoppedat the grave sites, but fouled and
barked whenever we were in between thesites. That's pretty cool. That's actually
really cool. UM, it's interestingand my experience, and this is personal
experience, UM, dealing with animals, especially dogs, especially dogs. I

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know, if they they can beskittish, they could be aggressive, or
they can be skittish if they're straydogs and they don't know you, so
they can you know, on theon the really bad side, they can
attack and then you're in trouble.But on the plus side, they could
be a little skittish and you know, kind of playfully bark at you and
chase the car because that's you know, they chase things, that's what they

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do. But when you stop thecar, then it was like oh shit,
shit got real and then they runoff and hide until you got back
into the car, and they feltit was safe because you probably I don't
know if you shut the car offor not. I don't know if that
really has a makes a difference,but maybe because just because this this big
thing to them, the car startedmoving, it was like, oh shit,

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you know, this is a bigmonster thing. I'm gonna go exert
my dominance over this. And whenit stopped and you guys got out,
it was like, Oh, it'sjust it's people. I don't like people.
I don't know, but that's that'sthat's actually funny that it would show
up. It's a ghost dog thatonly showed up when you got in the
car. Maybe maybe the poor poordog got hit by a car and that's

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why it hate. It hates cars, so it likes people. But whenever
you got in the car, itcame to life. You know, it's
started chasing it down. I don'tknow, M Barry, Hi, Barry
Barry says, do you know muchabout security cam anomalies? I'm consulting on
a haunting. In quotes, I'mI'm the skeptic, and the person has

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a collection of indoor surveillance video.Most are orbs, obvious, dust,
insects, et cetera. But thereare also some larger, dimmer blobs of
light that move across the screen.I have a couple of thoughts about what's
causing these, but wondering if youknew know any resource of low light CCT
anomaly. So I don't have this. This is on my list? Did

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you did we talk over email becausesomebody else asked me this, and I'm
not sure if it was you ornot. It might have been you.
But as for resources, the onlythings I really go for here um that
I use is either there's a fewYouTube videos out there. If you search

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bug on lens, you can comeup with a few dozen videos that come
up that are kind of decent looking. It's very hard to without without actually
using the video. It's very hardto use screen captures to for like a
demonstration, if you're doing like alecture or a presentation, because it just
when you do a screen cap ora still frame of a bug on a

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lens, it just blends into thebackground and you can't tell what the hell
you're supposed to be looking at.You need that whole video. Because I've
used some videos of spiders that I'vegotten off off YouTube where I've I've embedded
in in the presentation and used itthat way. I know that there if
you do a search for Ben Raffordh and uh what was it he did?

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I guess you could just do asearch for Ben Rafford bug on lens.
There is a news story that thatcame out a number of years ago
where he investigated there was a analleged ghost at a gas station that appeared
on a security camera and he wascalled I guess he was contacted by the

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local news and then brought out andhe did some tests and he finally ended
up buying a whole bunch of ladybugsand releasing them right by the camera,
and then they recorded what happened andfound out that it was it was almost
an exact match of what the previousvideo was. UM, so that could
be sources for you. It's onmy bucket list. It really is,
too like I actually have a physicallist where that's on there where I want

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to actually talk or test different bugson different cameras. I have a whole
bunch of different security cameras that Ihave that I've collected over the years,
and I want to hook them upto the VR system that I have and
then just use bugs and you know, see what they got. Make a
catalog, like a catalog of videoswhere I can display this because it's it's

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it's just so hard to get actualgood resources. I don't have anything else
like that. I don't know ofany published literature. I know that there
are there are graphs out there.It's not a graph, but it's like
a collage of pictures of what someinsects look like. But they are for
more more for photography, so likeflash photography. So you're getting these anomalies

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that some people call fairies. Idon't know, um, but not video
camera because video camera, again,it's very hard to get still shots from
them that show you anything decent becausethey are so light. And the problem
is that because you have this tiny, tiny bug that's on this on this

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lens, it's a tiny lens,usually a wide angle like even this the
webcam that I'm using is a wideangle lens. So that's why you get
so much. Plus you know,layer you see so much. So if
you're gonna have a little I don'tknow if I can do this, this
might actually work. So if youhave a little tiny bug like this,
like the pen tip that's coming up, which appears like an orb and goes

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across the streen the screen. I'mgonna try and do this a little slow.
You can see how transparent it is. You can actually see through the
tip as I bring it back andthen bring it up. Look at that.
You can see through it. Youcan even see my whole face through
the tip of the pen. Andthat's kind of the concept that's happening when
you have a bug on the lensbecause it's it's so small and the camera's

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not focused on that. It's focusedon the background like me, which is
probably about I don't know, likethree ft three feet away, or you
know, the background which is fiveto six feet away. Then it's not
going to focus on that. You'regonna have the same effect. It's going
to be a just transparent, littletiny thing. And usually if it's at

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night, the IR lights, theled I R lights that are around it
are around the ring, it's aroundthe outside, and it's not going to
illuminate the bug. You might seeit though as it gets to the edge
because it does have that protective coveron it, that weather cover. But
as for any kind of like actualliterature. No, I don't have any,

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at least not yet, but againI'm working on that. So thanks
for the question, Barry. Iappreciate that, and it definitely is on
my list. When I get time, hopefully soon when this museum opens and
I can rest a little bit,I might have time to actually set That
might actually be a good place todo it too. Just set all the
cameras up at the museum and thenjust let them go. We'll see.

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I'll get back to that. That'scool, Thank you, thank you for
that. JD says goal, goalis a how do you say that is
a goal? Like dot? Idon't know, but he said, goal
is a prison or it's a jail. Pronounced it's pronounced jail, oh colonial

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spelling, so the okay, sothat's pronounced jail. Thank you appreciate that.
Cat Uh. Eric Christopher Meyer says, you need to have me on
the show. I have many scarystories, many scary stories. I'll tell

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you what. If you're sticking around, let me get JD on so because
I know he has a story hewants to tell me. And then if
you're still around, if you wantto come on. Ericum absolutely you can
come on because that would be coolto talk to you. Let's see,
Bob says, Oh, for hisstory, they found out that it was

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the caretaker's dog and that they leftthe dog room they let it roam from
time time. All right, it'sso cool. It was a real dog.
That's good to know. And uh, it probably had that reaction.
You know, it loved to chaseyour car but was afraid of you.
So cool cool. I like that. I like having that that resolution to
the story. Kevin. Kevin says, I got in a minor accident car

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accident on my last day of school. I hit some ice and slid into
the guardrail. My fender bent inwardand was almost touching the tire. I
could turn right and drive straight,but not turn left without the tire hitting
the fender and shaking it and scrapingthe tire loudly. I was a mile
from school and went there and tookmy last final exam. After exam,
I told my professor about the accidentand and asked if I had a two

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y four to use as a leverto bend the fender. He gave me
two. Oh, it cut off, so I don't know if the comment
cut off or if it's just toolong to put up here, I'm gonna
move on. Maybe you can continuethat story and let me know what the
rest of the story is. Carolsays, they're a good story. These

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are good stories. Don't mean wecan't enjoy them as stories while still understanding
exactly. It's still understanding them asthat there are simple explanations. I agree,
And that's that's pretty much what I'mtrying to do. Like we can,
we can explore these stories. There'sno like I said, there's no
obligation. You don't have to tellme your stories. But I'm trying to
maybe bring out the conversation here,get some talking, get some details,

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maybe figure out, you know,different ways to look at things. So
very cool, Tammy says, howdo you explain a recorder placed in an
eight on an eighteen hundred headstone andit makes a screeching sound, but later
placed it on a newer one andit worked just fine. Well, so
that that kind of thing. That'snot a good experiment to do. Just

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to put it bluntly, it's nota good experiment because you have no controls
on what's going on. You needa control area. You put it on
one stone, it made a noise. You put it on another stone,
it didn't make a noise. Okay, So that doesn't tell us anything about
what caused the noise. It doesn'ttell us anything. What you have to

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do is figure out is it Maybeit's an internal noise. Maybe something happened
at the beginning of the tape.Maybe the tape was bad, so you
had part of the tape which wasfirst recorded was bad, and then once
you got past that bad part ofthe tape, it was fine. It
could have been some kind of electricalinterference. If you have something, if
it's not a shielded tape recorder,and you had some kind of interference coming

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in, it's possible that, Yeah, it could pick up some straight radio
broadcasts, or it could be somekind of interference in the area. I
don't know. This is just speculatingbecause without being there, this is a
kind of question that's really really hardto answer. Honestly, it's impossible to
answer because there's so much information that'smissing. You have obviously a cemetery somewhere,

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don't know where. It doesn't reallymatter. I don't think it matters
that it's an eighteen hundred headstone,although maybe there's something that has to do
with the headstone itself. I don'tknow, maybe the materials that's made of
as opposed to whatever the other headstonewas made of. I'm not sure it
could be. Maybe it wasn't ona stable service. Maybe the tape recorder

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was actually rocking and or vibrating fromwind or something else that was causing this
noise. I don't even know whatthe noise sounds like. So it's very
hard to answer your question. Andbecause there's so many possibilities, there's so
many things to look at. Andagain it's not a controlled environment, so

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we don't know. There could befactors that were not even thinking of that
could come into play here. Okay, So I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I can't answer a question. It'sjust there's too much information we don't know,
Carl says jail jail. Yeah,hey, Rich, nice to see

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you. Cat Ward. Okay,she says, here's two oddities from me.
Whilst whilst getting ready to run atour at the jail one evening,
I was opening the cell doors.These are barred doors and have a bolt
that is supposed to lock into ahole and in a stone wall. One
particular door, when I went toopen it when budge, but the bolt

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was not shot. I nearly shoulderrammed it. I was using that much
force to get it to budge.After five minutes, I gave up and
went to continue set up. Beingcurious and stubborn, I returned to that
door. Oh, I think theseI think these comments are too long to
actually show up because I don't haveit doesn't give me that little link that

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says more and you click on itto expand it, so I'm not seeing
the whole comment. I wonder ifI can cheat and go go over to
my page and actually read the restof the comment. So maybe that'll work.
Let me see if I can dothat. Hold one going so that's
not there. Let me see ifI can do it this way. Look

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at the comments cat word, Uh, there it is, so let me
read it off I hear I wasusing that much forced the budget. After
five minutes, I gave up andwent to continue set up. Being curious
and stubborn, I returned to thatdoor. About ten minutes later. It
opened with barely a touch. Thenthere's a time I got locked out of
my hotel room in a T shirtand underwear. I want to hear that

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story. But so the first storyhere when you mentioned about this door.
So the thing that really sticks outto me first and foremost is that you
left for about ten minutes. Andwe're saying about so it could be eight
minutes, it could be fifteen minutes. It's an estimate. But nevertheless you

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left. So what could have happenedin that time. There could have been
things that happened. We don't know, and I don't know. I don't
know if you were if you hadsurveillance on it, or if somebody was
there the whole time, but maybesomebody came along and unstuck it, or
maybe there was a temperature difference,because if it expanded it if it was

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hot and it had expanded it,which got it stuck, and then it
needed about ten minutes or so,and the temperature, if the temperature dropped
a degree or two and it finallycooled down a little bit, it contracted
and then it was just enough toopen up. These are just things thrown
out there. I don't know ifthese are or are valid explanations, but

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these are things that come up thetop of my head that I'm thinking of
because I mean, I don't know. Maybe somebody saw you struggling with it
and decided, hey, you knowwhat, she gave up, maybe I'll
help her out and boom unstuck itand then just left. I don't know,
but I haven't had that happen tome. But interesting story. I

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mean, now, now I'll tellus about the T shirt. I've done
that. Though I've done that,but I was deliberate, I went streaking.
Um, but that's not a storyI'm gonna tell here. Oh all
right, let's say I wonder ifI can go back and look and um,

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oh no, it won't let me, It won't show me the other
comments. All right, So allright, Bob, I'm gonna take Bob,
and then I'm gonna see if Ican get JD on JD Are you
still here? So Bob's part onesays, whenever we visited my mom's parents
house, which by the way,is near your museum, every time we
would go up the stairs to thesecond floor, about halfway up, there

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was this feeling like there was aheavy presence. My mom's sister said she
felt presence, felt the presence sinceshe was a kid. Multiple people felt
the presence and the presence would gofrom the stairs to the back bedroom,
and that was the only place peoplewould feel people would feel the presence.

(32:36):
I was the only odd ball thatdidn't feel the presence in the back room.
I felt in in the middle room. After my grandmother passed. My
grandfather passed. First, we foundan empty safe in the wall in the
back room before we sold the house. I could never find anything hidden in
the middle room. So it wasthe presence leading to the safe and the
other hidden things in the house.Honestly, I out it. That's usually

(33:01):
a connection that we make as humans. We try to connect the dots no
matter what happens, no matter whatkind of chaotic situation we're in where we
don't know what's going on, wetry to make sense of it. So
that's a natural occurrence. That's anatural thing that we do, is that
if we try to connect the dots. So you felt something, So if

(33:25):
everybody was feeling something, if everyonethat was going up there, up the
stairs, up those stairs was feelingsomething, then there's obviously something actually there.
There's a physical thing going there,unless it was a psychosmatic where everybody
was just thinking that there was somethingthere. Because you know, one person

(33:46):
said it, and the other personsaid, well, you know, I
kind of feel it too, andthen it kind of goes throughout the family.
Everybody knows. I don't know ifthat's a situation, but if people
were actually feeling a physical condition,then uh, maybe it was. Maybe
there's something there, Maybe it's aa I almost I'm afraid to say,

(34:08):
maybe there's a high m E MFUlevels there. Maybe maybe something we are
going on, Maybe it's asbestos.I don't I don't know. We would
have to figure out. We wouldactually have to be there and figure out
what's going on. Maybe there's youknow, the steps weren't level at that
particular spot. Maybe there was afew steps that were kind of off level,

(34:30):
and it would give you an uneasyfeeling because you know you when you
step on an unleveled surface, you'dknow it, you feel it, and
if you're not expecting it, itcould send you for a loop. So
I love how Bob actually waits alittle bit and then posts an answer.
The answer is no. I justfind it answering that multiple people felt a

(34:51):
presence without ever having known there wasa presence. I love it. It's
like it's like Bob's giving us littletests U. It follows up with her
jail story, her weird spelling jailstory. UM, door had never stuck
before, and it was winter socold already. As to the hotel room,
that's kind of embarrassing. UM.So I don't know, I don't

(35:15):
I don't know what to tell youabout the door. If it never stuck
before, maybe it never stuck beforefor you. So that's something we also
have to consider because a lot ofthings that happen in places that we routinely
go through, you know, weget this sense of everyday occurrences that you

(35:36):
know, if it doesn't happen tous, it doesn't happen to everybody,
or if it happens to us,it happens to everybody. And that's not
always true. Most of the timeit's not true. But that's just an
easy us. It's an easy waythat we start thinking um because it becomes
familiar to us, and then weapply it to everybody that becomes our one
of our filters and our biases.So maybe it did get stuck for other

(36:01):
people. Don't know. I'm notsaying you know, you're you're making shit
up. Definitely not. I'm notsaying that, but maybe it did get
stuck for other people, and thiswas just the first time that happened to
you, and it was just weird, especially since you came back sometime later
and it opened. So who knowswhat could have happened. I don't know

(36:24):
what it could have happened. Now, I just want to visit. I
just want to visit the jail.I want to be in a jail that's
not spelled jail and to say Iwas in this jail that's not spelled jail.
All right, so let me getum. Let me let me see,

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Bob says. We didn't discuss ourfeelings to the presence until we went
to sell the house. Damn it. I hate huh. That bugs me.
Good places like that that are goodfor testing always gets sold. All
right, j D, I'm gonnasend you a link, and I'm going
to let me get the link here. Copy all right. I want to

(37:07):
send JD the link and get himon here so he can talk about um,
his story about what's going on,and then you guys can get a
little break from me talking all thetime. I love these stories. I
appreciate all these stories you guys sharingit because I know it's sometimes it's difficult,
especially when you have like a youknow, a skeptical guy that wants

(37:30):
to kind of deconstruct your your story, and especially if it's it's a story
that's near and dear to you,you know, if it has something to
do with a family member and stuff, it's kind of hard to share that
and listen to criticism because it's it'slike, that's the nice way of saying,
you tear a story a part um. So I appreciate you guys actually

(37:52):
sharing these stories with me and andand you know, listening and offering ideas
and not being afraid to say no, that's not right or I don't believe
what you said. So, oh, we got j D. Let's say,
let's bring him on boom, therehe is. What's up, buddy,
Kenny? How's it gone pretty good? So what's your story? So

(38:16):
when this was years ago, whenI was in middle school, um,
I got really big into the occultand heavy metal and stuff. And one
night I woke up in the middleof the night, early morning. It
was dark and at the foot ofmy bed there was this like dark,

(38:37):
shadowy figure and it like really scaredthe Jesus out of me because I was
convinced, like, you know,holy shit, you know, this is
some kind of like demonic presence,like you know, wow, like this,
you know, maybe there is somethingto this, this kind of stuff
after all. Right, Um,So that I mean, that's the short

(38:58):
of it. Now. My interpretationsince then is, you know, I
went on later and I had alot more experiences with like night terrors,
so I definitely think, Hi,Carol, So that's I think the only
time that I can ever recall experiencingsomething in terms of like a visual hallucination.

(39:23):
Right, But being that you know, I know that I'm I'm the
kind of person who does experience those, it seems like a much more likely
explanation that it was something more likea waking nightmare or something like that,
where I was, you know,kind of in between waking and dream state
than something supernatural. Plus two,And I didn't think about this at the

(39:47):
time because the experience was so powerfulthat I was like absolutely convinced that that's
what it was. You know,it was so absolutely perceived is real that
I didn't really think about maybe morekind of prosaic explanations until two years later.
But the story as it as ithappened to me is almost exactly what

(40:15):
Geezer Butler from Black Sabbath described asbeing the origination of track one off of
their debut album, Black Sabbath ishe related the story, he was really
big into the accult at the time, and Ozzy Osbourne gave him a book

(40:36):
on like black magic and Satan thingslike that, and you know, Geezer
was reading it, went to bedone night, probably like totally cooked out
of his mind, and you know, he woke up and had the same
the same kind of experience, andyou know, to him it was like,
whoa, Like, I need tototally back off of the devil,

(40:57):
you know, the occult stuff,not the drugs, not the not the
altu no no, no, notthat stuff. But uh but you know,
and I was really big into blocksthat at the time then too,
So when I thought about it later, it was like, well, you
know, could could that have happenedto me? Because I was kind of
already primed, like I had thatstory. You know, I knew about

(41:20):
the story at the time. Ihad read about it, so it kind
of provided material, right, Andyeah, I mean it could have you
You're like you said, you're youwere primed, so you were expecting,
you had this expectation. Um,so you might have woke up. And
there's so many there's so many differentways we go with this, because like

(41:43):
you said, I mean you youalready had a h you had night terrors,
right, so you yeah, you'recoming from coming from that angle.
I mean, yeah, that's somescary shit that can happen. Uh,
if you were waking up, Ifyou were waking up and you were still
like in at mid in between almostsleep paralysis kind of thing where you literally

(42:05):
hallucinated what was going on. Maybeyou didn't actually wake up, you thought
you did, um, but itwas pure hallucination from from sleep paralysis,
and that you you felt this presenceor you saw this presence and then you
know you obviously didn't freak out andrun out of the room, which I
mean freaked out, but for somereason, Yeah, I didn't run out

(42:27):
of the room. And I don'trecall if it was a matter of you
know, I had the additional sleepparalysis that I couldn't move, or if
I was just too scared to kindof move, you know the idea of
being like place. Yeah, Idon't I don't remember it well enough.
Um, usually we would have youwould have that fight or flight kind of

(42:49):
a scenario come up, and Imean you would either freak out or be
ready to fight. And and itsounds like almost you didn't do any day.
You kind of observed it and thatwas it. So that leads me
more to believe that you probably hallucinated. Yeah, either way, either asleep

(43:10):
browses or just a part of yournight terrors or just a dream, you
know, a dream anyway, Andthat's probably I would go more with that.
I mean, of course I'm nota license a professional, so I
can't I can't really determine what's goingon, But that's where I would lean
towards. And I thought about,like, um, something like paradolia too,

(43:34):
because you know, I've I've hadit before where if I'm lying awake
at night and it's dark, youknow, and I spend too much time
like staring in a corner, youknow, eventually your eyes do kind of
start to see movement where there isI've wondered too, you know, could
that have been something something else?Where you know there wasn't anything. I
don't want to say that, likeI wasn't hallucinating something. But maybe it

(43:57):
was something where because I was fullyawake and fully conscious, I saw something
like that that was completely innocuous,but my mind interpreted it as you know,
holy shit or something standing there rightmaybe I mean again, yeah,
if you were in this sleep state, who knows. I mean, your
mind wanders, come up with alldifferent ideas, and then when you're trying

(44:21):
to to analyze it later, you'reover analyzing it because you don't have all
the information. You know, it'sit's pure speculation. That's what we go
off of. Because you didn't,like you, like I said, you
didn't get up and fight it.You didn't get up the run, you
didn't freak out, you didn't evenit doesn't sound like you really considered it.
It was like, okay, it'sthere, and then you were asleep

(44:45):
and then woke up and later onyou know, I mean, it was
so it was so long ago that, like right now, I feel pretty
confident at whatever I say about youknow, what I did or thought at
the time is probably not accurate becauseI seem to recall that it was a

(45:06):
very like terrifying experience and when Iwould like talk to other people about because
I had a friend who was likereally big into WICCA, and he tried
to pass it off as you know, oh no, no, no,
like it probably wasn't demonic. Itwas probably just like an elemental or something.
And I'm like, you know,what the hell is that, you
know, is it friendly or what? You know? What business? Well
business did I have in my roomthat late at night? But yeah,

(45:29):
I seem to recall kind of tellingother people that it was a big deal
to me at the time. AndI can totally see how, you know,
because I I, like I said, I totally believed that it was
something supernatural there for a while too. And it to me, it's kind
of funny because you know, whenwhen I have conversations with people who do

(45:49):
really believe and take take that kindof stuff seriously, and they're like,
you know, aren't you scared surroundingyourself with excuse me, you know,
surrounding yourself with all that kind ofa cult stuff. I'm like, look,
if there was any kind of likeyou know, demonic presence or things
like that, they must be reallytotally not interested in me, because you
know, I've had this kind ofstuff around me for years and they've never

(46:12):
possessed me or you know nothing,uh, you know, Amityville horror kind
of stuff has happened to me.So right, Oh that's cool. I
mean, it's it's good. Ithink it's this experience and the way you
were telling it is really good becausenot only are you giving the experience,
but you are acknowledging the possibilities umof it. You're you're acknowledging that you

(46:37):
already had a condition before it withthe night terrors. Um. You're you're
acknowledging that it could be associated withthat, or it could be associated with
its other stuff. I mean,granted, yes, in the beginning,
as you said, you kind ofrelated it to maybe a paranormal experience,
but you thought about it more andthen kept going, kept reviewing it,

(46:58):
which is good. And I thinkthat's what people should do, you know,
like not take stuff at face valueand just base it on beliefs,
keep learning and then keep applying newknowledge to past experiences. And it sounds
like that's what you're doing, whichis good. I mean, it was
probably more or less a hallucination.I mean, I have nothing really solid

(47:20):
to base that one, except thatyou didn't get sucked into a portal to
Hell or any other you know dimensionor something like that. You're still here
with us, So I'm still waitingfor the offer of you know, my
soul for like all the richest andpowers in the world. Office stands.
But you know, nobody seems tobe seems to be interested. Cool,

(47:43):
all right, before before I letyou go plug your your show, your
podcast. Oh so well, firstbefore I plug that, Oh, sure,
check out this awesome T shirt dressyou can buy. That's awesome.
Yeah it um so yeah. Ihave a humble little podcast called The Devil

(48:06):
in the Details where we talk abouta lot of skeptical content. Um.
A lot of the stuff that Ido is based on demons um and moral
panics, like a satanic panic.I'm working on the next episode. I'm
hoping to have it out before Halloweenon false memories, repressed memories. Gonna

(48:29):
be a lot of heavy science stuff. Um. I told I told Dave
schumach or the other day, Isaid, you know, there's a lot
of studies in this. I thinkmaybe there might be too many. Well
that's that's good though, it's good. I do enjoy your podcast. It's
very informative, so I do encouragepeople listen to it, you know,

(48:50):
check it out because it's it's good. It's very informative, and you do
your shit. You do your research, which is good. It's not just
opinions. You're not just thrown outwhat you think. You you back your
shit up, which is what Ilike. So awesome. All right,
cool, thanks for stopping by,buddy. Take it easy and I will
I will talk to you soon,you see, all right later. WHOA,

(49:14):
that's always nice. I like havingto other people on That's freaking awesome.
Oh and that was good. Ido like when when when people can
look at their own experiences UM andnot only not only look at them and
apply like what they know now atthe time, but then later on they

(49:36):
look back and say, all right, you know what, I've learned a
lot over the last like two orthree years, and I know about more
about maybe a little bit by psychologyor a little bit up more about some
mental issues, or you know,just the conditions that I already have,
like in in JD's case, thenight terrors UM, which I've never experienced,

(49:58):
but I think I've experienced it oncebecause one time I actually woke up
screaming, and that was long beforeI was married. But actually my wife,
who was not my wife at thetime, actually came in worried about
me because I woke up literally screamingat the top of my lungs. But
I don't remember why. But myfriend Jason Gallen, he suffered from night

(50:22):
terrorsts, and I understand it's it'sa very frightening thing. I mean,
obviously it's called night terrorsts. Imean that's fucking terrifying just thinking about what
could happen. So yeah, Icould understand waking up or thinking you wake
up and seeing something in your roomor or buy you or something really bad
going on, and thinking it's real. So it's good that he was able

(50:45):
to apply more knowledge to that andI guess come to terms with it and
understand what it probably was and andmove on. So awesome. So let
me get back. Let me putmy cheaters on so I can see the
comments. But this is awesome.I love it. I love this.

(51:06):
Let's see. Let me back uphere, Bob says, my last story
of the night, another two parter. Bob, you should really get a
webcam and not be shy and comeon here, he says. Bob continues
he was seeing a presence in mymom's mom and dad's house. Wait,

(51:28):
let me, let me go back. Is my last story of the night
is seeing the presence of my mom'sdad after he passed and my dad's grandmother
after she passed in my parents' house. They both died in the same month,
July, just two years apart.Ninety two and ninety four. Part
two is I am assuming it wasa situation where I was falling asleep because

(51:51):
it was late at night and Iwas in the early stages of sleep where
we think we're awake and can evenswear we are still awake, but we're
actually starting to fall asleep. That'smy psychology explanation for it. Nice um,
well, I mean it sounds like, let's say you're you're you're saying

(52:12):
that you were falling asleep, SoI'm assuming you were either in bed or
maybe you're on the couch falling asleep. And if this is the case,
then then yes, I would definitelygo with that, because if you're thinking
about it, if they had justpassed at the time, and you're thinking
about it, and I mean,we all handle loss and mourning in different

(52:32):
ways, So if you were thinkingabout them and falling asleep. It's definitely
possible that you hallucinated this. Youyou actually you think you saw um you're
what what let's say, let meget this fright. You're present your mom's
dad, so you're a grandfather anda great grandmother, so you think you

(52:58):
saw them, but more or lessyou were you were sleeping. And I
don't think it's like in between whereyou're just falling asleep and you think you're
awake, you're actually asleep. You'reyou're asleep, then you're just you're in
the I guess you're probably in thefirst stages of REM sleep, because that's
when you dream. And I don'tknow how exactly how long it takes,

(53:21):
but you were probably dreaming and yourfirst thoughts were of them, and then
maybe you got jostled or something,something woke you up and it brought you
right out of that REM sleep.And if you I do believe that if
you come, if you're woken upright out of rem sleep, then you
immediately remember what's going on in thedream, and it's almost like you were

(53:45):
awake. I think. Don't quoteme on that, please, because I'm
not sure, but I believe that'sthe way it works. I'm gonna I'm
gonna write that down because I wantto make sure look into rem sleep and
waking up. All right, SoI got that. I'm gonna look that

(54:09):
up later because that's really interesting tome. All right. Dana, Hey,
Dana, nice to see you.She's been experiencing sleep paralysis since her
teens. It's fucking scary. It'seff and scary as fuck when it happens.
I'm sure it is, um.And I see my wife Chi chimed

(54:31):
in here. She says she's beenthere too, Hey baby, how are
you doing? But yeah, I'veseen I haven't experienced it myself, but
I've I've been there when it happenedto Donna, And it does look like
it's a scary thing, um especially. I mean, it's got to be

(54:51):
scary as hell just the thought ofit, you know, experience something that's
frightening and then not being able toreact to it, like not being to
move. That's that's just scary fuckingthinking about it. So m all right,
So Bob continues. The one dreamI had that made me think I
was going to die young was adream where I was in a casket and

(55:14):
floated up above my body at thecemetery, and I was watching over my
body. Nice, I have counted, and I was close to death eleven
times in my life, literally almostdied eleven times, eleven different times.
And my own guardian angel No almostdied. I can't, I mean count

(55:35):
how many times I almost died becauseI do stupid shit. That's why if
I'm more careful than it would bea lower number. But item, nah,
I can't do that. All right. Let's see, Bob said he
was on a couch when he wasexperiencing these apparitions, So you were probably

(55:57):
falling asleep on the couch. Yep, you were dozing. Uh, cat
Boord. You commented that analytical thinkingis so important. Knowing our own perceptional
influences or possible biases is crucial.It's great to see it promoted. I
agree, totally agree. It's definitelygood to analyze stuff that you're already doing.

(56:22):
I mean, I look back,um occasionally, actually more often than
I care to admit. I lookback on past experiences that I've been through,
just to see, like, allright, did I did I approach
this correctly? Did I come tothe right conclusion? If new information comes
up, it usually pops stuff upin my head like, oh, you

(56:42):
know what, this could apply tosomething I did like five or six years
ago. Maybe I should look backat that case, UM, go through
my files, like I have afile cat that under the desk here that
I go through files and just lookand say, all right, wow,
um, you know this applies.This might actually solve that case. So
definitely, I agree. Um.Analytical thinking is really important, and to

(57:05):
being aware of your own biases isvery crucial. I mean it's it's it's
paramount to understanding have a better understanding, end to filter out those biases.
Once you are aware of your ownbiases, you can well not always,
but you can do a better jobof filtering them out and really looking at

(57:28):
something a little bit more objectively thanyou would normally. Did I say that
right? I'm not. I don'tknow. I'm gonna move on, Bob
says. I am on camera allday long, so I'm tired of being
on camera, and one of thesedays I don't give a shit, Bob,
you come on here. This isa different kind of on camera.

(57:52):
This is an on camera where you'retalking socially. So there U b wave,
Bob says, I teach about sleep. It's not rem it's B wave
sleep. Oh god, this issomething I have to look at B wave.
Gott to write that down. Obviously, I need to read up more

(58:12):
all my sleep so because I don'tsleep. So there, Eric Christopher Myers,
are you still watching? If you'rewatching, comment, and I will
send you a link in through Facebook. You'll obtually I have to. You'll
you'll actually have to check your Facebookchat because you never get my messages when

(58:35):
I send you messages. But you'llhave to check that for a link.
And then I want you to comeon so you can tell some stories.
Carol has a log comment. Ifeel like ziggy, he says. JD's
story reminds me of a kind ofstory, kind of a funny story.
I went through a period of alot of weird illnesses. One day I

(58:57):
was resting and was suddenly and suddenlyit was convulsive, felt like I was
lifted off bed. I was terrifiedafter twelve years of Catholic schooling, so
naturally, naturally, I was sureit was demonic possession. You were so
lucky. I was terrified, butdidn't tell anyone. Later, a neurologist

(59:20):
suggested my abusive chemist spouse was poisoningme with different substances. Oh oh my
god, always changing it up.So it was probably a convulsion or a
caesar. Holy shit. Wow,that's that's a that's some story there.
Holy shit. I don't I don'tsee the rest of it. Um,

(59:43):
what did you actually find out?Was was the actually poisoning you? I
mean, this is like a ForensicFiles episode. This is fucking awesome.
I mean it's not not awesome likethat way because that that's terrible. Um,
but holy shit, what finished thatstory? Because that's as far as
I got. What you see onhere, that's as far as I get.

(01:00:04):
So if you can copy and pastethe second part of that, I'm
really interested in seeing what happened.Oh oh, I see. Kat says,
go back in the comments from myembarrassing hotel story. By the way,
I'll go back in a little bitand look at that. And Kevin

(01:00:25):
says, I can go live totell you the rest of my angel story.
Okay, let's get you going,Kevin. Let's see. Uh,
let me see. I gotta lookyou up because I gotta find you so
that I can send you that's youright, Let's see, that's you all
right, and there you go,Kevin. I sent you the link so

(01:00:54):
you should be able to pop onsoon and tell us the rest of your
story. Bobs says, he's tappingout for the night. You gotta run
out another great show, and yes, you will get me to come on
one week. I promise you fuckingbetter. I will come to your house
and beat the shit out of you. Not really, but yeah, all

(01:01:15):
right, have a good night,dude, get your you gotta run out,
get your errands done, go back, rest, chill, and hey,
if you're not doing anything tomorrow,I'll be up at sell my mansion.
I'll make that announcement later, butthat's where I'll be tomorrow in Narstown.
If you want to come up andhang out. Because he didn't hang
out last time I invited you,bitch, I'm sorry. I'm feeling good.

(01:01:38):
So oh man, Kevin's onny,He's got the whole. He's got
the whole like Deadpool sexy look goingon here? Hold on, okay,
okay, cool, somehow got up? You're playing in the background. Can
you hear it? It's weird,I can hear you. Okay, so
talk to me. What do youguys? Basically, I was my last

(01:02:00):
day of school, and um,I happened to be uh rushing in.
It was snowy. I'm here inthe echo. I don't know how to
stop the app if you're using areusing a phone. If you're using a
phone, you might need headphones.I don't. Okay, all right,

(01:02:21):
as long as you can hear me, so um okay, so uh,
last day of school and going formy final exam. It was snowing.
It was snowing. Oh my god, this is horrible. I can hear
myself. You need to have them, all right, If I just keep

(01:02:45):
talking, you can hear me,right, Yes, all right, So
I'll just keep talking out near.I know the other sound that's echoing back
and forth. Um, it's snowy. And I crashed my car into the
godrail, bent my fend and itwas almost touching the tie up by like
an inch. If I turned right, it would stop rub it and banging

(01:03:07):
and scraping up my tie and reallyscared me to drive that way, but
I was so close to school.I just drove the last mile, went
in and took my final exam andit was a Statics and Strength of material
course and we had boards all overthe place we used to break with machines
and stuff like that. So Iasked the professor for a two by four
so I could pry the wheel andthe fender apart. So he gave it

(01:03:30):
to me at the end of theclass and I left, and I was
the last one because I asked him, and I walked out to an empty
parking lot with his two by four. I put it in place and I
started to pry, and I pulledand pulled, and nothing would move.
And then out of the blue,all of a sudden, there was a
hand on the end of the boardthat helped me pull and we pulled it
and it popped out with about twoor three inches, and I tried pulling

(01:03:52):
some more, and tried pulling somemore, and it wouldn't go any further.
And I stood up to thank theguy and there was no one there.
And I looked around and there wasno cause in the lot, and
I was like, wow, thatperson must have moved really really fast.
I could not explain where they went. That was it. I thought it

(01:04:14):
was like just a rain jacket arm. A yellow hand with a rain jacket
grabbed the end and pulled, andthe best I can explain it to myself.
Was it was raining, it wasfoggy. It was the professor who
was who came out to help mebecause everybody else had gone, And he
must have as soon as it happenedwhen I tried the second time. He

(01:04:35):
must have gotten his car or walkedinto the fog so fast that I couldn't
see him. That's my only explanation. But when it happened, it seemed
like it happened only a few seconds, and then I looked around there was
no one there. So but Ireally think I must have been because I
don't have these things ever happened again, and I don't believe in this kind

(01:04:55):
of stuff. But it was aweird, weird feeling. That's pretty cool.
I mean, it sounds it soundslike one of those classic stories where
you know, like you got likesomebody came down to help you, like
real quick, um, and thenit was gone. And although it might
have felt like a few seconds,it was probably longer than that. Yeah.

(01:05:18):
Yeah, And it might have beensomething where he was passing by,
he saw you, he came overreal quick, boom, he gave you
the help you need it and wasjust gone. It wasn't That's how I've
explained it to myself over the years. It must have been my timing was
off because I tried that second timewhen I couldn't move it. He thought
it was enough and left right.That's you know, that's what it had

(01:05:39):
to have been. Right. Butsomebody told me, oh, it was
your guardian Angel when I told thestory, says, I don't think so.
I mean I've done. I meanI'm not. I'm not trying to
brag or anything. But it's likeif usually I don't look for thanks,
Like if I see somebody help,I just help, you know, if

(01:06:01):
somebody's having trouble lifting something, andif I can walk by and just help
give them a lift, you know, help them get it on thing,
and then I continue my way.I don't actually stick around to, you
know, waiting for a thank you, because it's it's not what, it's
not why I do it. Sothere are still people out there that knew
that kind of stuff where they justhelp, you know, they and it

(01:06:24):
was probably like that. It wasprobably your professor that said, hey,
you know, Boom, you gotit out, we got it on stuck.
You should be good for the night. I'm going and he left no
need to say anything. I mean, was it raining. It was raining,
okay, so maybe yeah, somay I think that was my only
explanation later was at the time thatI tried the second time must have been

(01:06:47):
when he took off right, youknow. Yeah, going back to your
rem comment on sleep, I dida sleep study and they specifically woke me
up in the middle of the nightto ask me if I had dreams.
Okay, so that they hook youup with the senses you go to sleep,
and they tested the snoring machine onme, and they asked me questions

(01:07:08):
before I went to bed in themiddle of the night, and then the
first thing in the morning, theywoke me up a couple of times,
and they told me, you doremember your dreams if you were woken up,
but you tend to forget them ifyou sleep through the whole night,
and lots of times you'll have sixor eight dreams in a night and you
only remember the last one that youwere woken up to. So that's that's
what I know about that. That'swhat I'm used to reading. How whenever

(01:07:30):
I go through like sleep studies orread the studies on sleep studies, and
it's usually that it's if you sleepthrough the night, the only dream that
you remember is the last one.But you usually have seven to eight dreams
per night and it's only the lastone that you remember. So yeah,
I can I can imagine like ifyou fell asleep on the couch or something

(01:07:53):
and then woke up that I mean, you're going to remember the last dream
that you had, if you canremember. I usually don't. It's very
rare when I actually remember a dream. So maybe I'm just you know,
I have two months to do.I don't have time. Like when I
get time to sleep, it's usuallylike four or five hours and that's it.

(01:08:14):
Like I'm up and it's back towork. You know, I got
too much to do. But awesome, thank you very much for sharing your
story. I appreciate hearing the restof that. That was actually a cool
story. I like one plug.Should I have a Facebook page? Teresa
Caputo, Tyler Henry, and ThomasJohn fans, But it's really not about

(01:08:36):
fans. It's about attracting the fansin so that the skeptics. Me and
a few others people you know,Susan Gerbick's in there, Rob is in
there, and Guy Wlaye Leonard isin there, and we give advice to
these people who think that psychics arereal and mediums are real. And it's
a lot of people are pissed atme for it, but a lot of
people have learned things too, soit's it's kind of fun. And look

(01:08:59):
it up. It's Teresa Caputo fansTyler Head. It's a big, long
name and it ends with let's talk. That was Rob's idea because it used
to be Teresa Caputo tickets and peoplewere magaz They thought we're gonna buit tickets
to a show. I said,no, I'm gonna tell you to save
your money. Don't buy tickets inthe show. All right, good night,
Thank you very much. Money,take it easy. That's funny shit.

(01:09:25):
I love that. All right.So I guess I guess Eric isn't
in because I haven't seen a commentfrom him, and Bob's out. Thank
you Kevin for stopping by. Iappreciate that. I love having other people
on the show. And uh,let's say we're down to it. We're
at an hour hour in ten minutes. That's not bad. So um,

(01:09:47):
no more stories are coming through yet. If you have stories again, I'm
gonna just read, just re iterate. That's the word I'm looking for.
That tonight's theme, it is prettymuch your stories. If you want to
share a story that you've had abouta ghost sighting experience or bigfoot, cryptid
ufo, alien religious experience, ifyou want to share it and talk about

(01:10:11):
it and maybe try to come upwith some natural explanations or just talk it
out, feel free to put itin the comments. Or if it's too
long, because now I'm seeing thatthere is a limit on how much of
the comment can actually come through myfeed on here. So if it's actually
too long and you're willing and youhave a webcam, you're more than welcome

(01:10:33):
to come on the show and talkabout your experience for a few minutes and
we can discuss it and go backand forth, which is always fun.
I like having people come on.That was actually fun, JD and Kevin
coming on and relating their stories.I'm going to play my commercial real quick,
so I can take like a thirtysecond break, and then I'll come

(01:10:57):
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(01:11:45):
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(01:12:09):
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But if you have something that's moreskeptical or more science e that comes that
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(01:12:30):
It's real cheap, so and wecan talk. And I'd like to put
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halfway in between the show, maybelike a two to three minute break where
I can actually go pay and thenrun back here and then continue the show.
So putting that offer out there.I'll talk about it at the end
of the show a little bit more. But I wanted to put it out

(01:12:55):
there just in case anyone's interested.So getting back to it, let's see,
uh, Kat says, minds backthere, I have more, but
I guess time is short. Whatwhat what? What are you talking about?
Your hotel story? Let's see.I don't know again, it's really

(01:13:15):
hard to come through. Um ohwait, let's say no, it's sometimes
it's hard to find comments, soI apologize if I if I skip over
it um or can't find it becauseit's it's it all comes in, like
I have three feeds coming in,so it all comes in at the same
time. Sometimes I get lost,so I probably apologize if I skip over

(01:13:40):
your comments. Let's see. Carolsays my story was an example of analyzing
your own biases like JD and Bob, who goes straight to demon possession wants
to hear more from Kat about jailM. So yeah, I mean definitely,
uh who goes straight to demon monicpossession? You'd be surprised. There

(01:14:02):
are a few people that I knowthat I that I hang out with from
time to time that go right todemons demonic possession. And unfortunately, these
are the same people that I continuallyask to bring me along. Like,
if you get a call and youyou are convinced that a demon from Hell

(01:14:27):
is inhabiting a person or a location, please call me. Just call me
because I want to go. Iwant to go. I mean, if
I can help, I can help, but I want to go and observe
this. I want to see whatthis demonic possession is is supposed to be,

(01:14:48):
you know, because I don't believein demons. I don't believe in
demonic possession obviously, because if Idon't believe in demons, then demonic possession
can't happen. So I want tosee you. I want to see you
know, show me an example.Let's let's really get into this. So,
like, imagine I'm that meme wherethe guys behind drinking coffee. This

(01:15:11):
case rum and it says demons aren'treal fight me. So there you go.
There's the challenge demonic possession. Like, I don't know, is that
like a go to demons are sexy? I think because there's so many TV
shows that have demons. Now,I guess, all right, Marcus Hey,
Marcus hoodie, Marcus Hoodie, LangHoody, I'm gonna call you hoodie.

(01:15:36):
That's it, all right, becauseI like that hoodie. I like
that, that's a good name.On Christmas Day, I saw my dead
daughter appear in front of me,fully saw it, but with a strange
light glow. I watched her fora minute until she dissolved right in front
of right in front of me,from front of me, I was all

(01:15:57):
no drugs. Middle of the day, I sat on the lounge and she
just appeared. Never happened again,but it was her, Rebecca. I
am not really much to go onthere, um, except that you know,
if that experience was good for you, if it if it brought you
some closure, um, if ithelped you out, then by all means,

(01:16:17):
you know, enjoy it. I'mnot into like dashing dreams or cutting
stories down just to cut stories down. Um, I mean, if that's
what you believe happened, and itbrings you comfort, then by all means,
I mean savor it. Um.You know, I'm definitely sorry for

(01:16:40):
your loss and I can't imagine.I mean, I have a son,
so I can't imagine losing a child, so so definitely, I mean,
if if if it's something that bringsyou some kind of comfort, then you
know, by all means, savorit. And that's really There's not much.
It's more I can say of that. So thank you Hodi for sharing

(01:17:04):
that, and I'll move on.Jad says, I can think of a
certain good friend of Kenny's who alwaysgoes straight to demonic possession and who may
or may not have bade him fromhis museum. That's funny. I think

(01:17:24):
you are right. I think you'redefinitely right, U Jade, because that
certain fella, mister Baggins definitely goesto possession. Because I mean, it's
funny. Like I don't watch ghosthunting shows. I think I've made that
clear in the past, but whenI have to, because sometimes I do

(01:17:47):
have to, Like if a newseries comes on, I usually watched the
first show and review it. Ifsomething comes up if there's a certain topic
that I'm investigating or looking into,and I do a search and one of
these ghost hunting shows pops up thathas to do with it. I watch
it. It's torture, but Iwatch it and it's it's very It's funny

(01:18:12):
because like wherever I have to watchan episode of Ghost Adventures, he's always
possessed, Like what is with that? Every every episode I've watched, without
fail, he's been possessed by something. So, oh, I guess you
know, I don't know. Dopeople find that entertaining? I don't.

(01:18:38):
I don't know because I don't.I don't. I don't find it entertaining.
I find that boring. I findthat repetitive and well, I mean,
to be honest, his acting justis horrible, So I don't find
it entertaining. I find it likeI find it almost insulting to his audience.
So what do you guys think?I don't. I have no idea.

(01:19:00):
Um hmm, but I like that. Cat Warred says the Warrens are
notorious for finding demons everywhere. Oh, I hate the Warrens, I really
do. I'm getting more honest thanup front with my feelings tonight because I'm
feeling pretty buzzed, which is awesome. Um. But the Warrens, the

(01:19:23):
Warrens, uh, I I honestlyI wish they were still alive because I
really don't like um talking about peoplethat are no longer here, that can
no longer defend themselves, um oryou know, shoot back at me.
But I really don't like their work. I think there were shady people.

(01:19:45):
I think their their their work wasvery very shady, very biased, very
one sided, very shitty. UM. To be honest, UM, I
know there's a few people out therethat actually like the Warrens. I know
there was a comment, there wasat least one comment today on the thread

(01:20:06):
that enjoyed where actually it was ona different thread my museum page, where
somebody liked them, um and enjoyedtheir work. And you know, if
you enjoy their work, hey,you know, more para to you.
You know, if if if youlike it, you like it. But

(01:20:27):
I don't like them. I don'tthink their work was solid. I don't
think it was it was honest.I don't think it was honest at all,
um, And I think it wasvery shady and very money driven,
um, very very fame driven,you know. They that's what they were
looking for, fame and money toget rich and famous off of this stuff.

(01:20:50):
Um, and I think they usedpeople to to gain that. So
that kind of thing I don't Idon't like, you know, I mean,
I don't like shoddy, shitty investigativework to begin with. But when
you use other people's stories and thereare grief or their their misery for your

(01:21:11):
benefit, then you are dicks.And that's really all I got to say
about that. So moving on,Kathy, Hey, y'all, cheers.
What are you drinking? I'm drinkingSpecial Team Hazelnut Rum. His shit is

(01:21:33):
good. Damn all right, whatelse we got? Let's see? Carol
says, what about getting a rumcompany as a show sponsor? Oh my
god, I would love it.I wouldn't charge him any money. Just
send me a bottle. Just sendme a bottle every show, like,

(01:21:55):
Hey, Captain Morgan, um Cracking, any any of you guys out there,
send me about all rome each episode, and I will promote the shit
out of you. I mean,I do that anyway, So that would
be great. Kat says, theynever put anything forward for peer review either.
Yes, I'm guessing you're talking aboutthe Warrens. But yes, um,

(01:22:21):
they were not into peer review becausethat would totally demolish what they were
doing. Peer review is extremely hardto get through. I've had some experience
with that, so I know howdifficult it is. And uh, I
mean, I I don't go throughand like a full I don't go through
an academic peer review every time Ipublished an article. But I don't I

(01:22:44):
go through a review. Oh mygod, I am buzzed. I go
through a review process whenever I submitan article. So all the articles that
I post on Skeptical inquir they gothrough several editors and I have to make
sure I know my shit, thatI have my shit referenced, and if

(01:23:05):
not, I do get questions back. And I mean there's been plenty of
times Ben Ben is my editor thatI send my articles to. There's been
plenty of times he sent questions backat me like, Hey, did this
really happen? Hey, how doyou prove this? Hey do you have
some kind of reference that supports this? You know? He makes sure I'm

(01:23:26):
on my game, which is great. I love it. It's it makes
me a better investigator. So I'mdefinitely I love peer review so and Kat,
yes, I agree with you.They suck. Kevin says, I
am not familiar with the Warrens.What did they do? They are the
people, if you haven't already seenin the chat room, they are the
people that are responsible for the storiesof animi Ville horror, the conjuring bullshit,

(01:23:57):
the haunting in Connecticut I believe alsoand then the uh uh oh god
Endfield Poultergeist. Um, the storyis getting out because they've written stories,
their version of the stories for theseso and they also had the Annabelle doll,
um, the very harmless, raggedyann doll that sits in a glass

(01:24:23):
case because apparently glass and would youknow stop demons from terrorizing people who do
um woo, let's say what else? Uh? Kathy says, I think
that was me, But I wasfrarying too how many times they could give
a tingling. I'm not sure whatthat was. Um, oh crap,

(01:24:44):
what happened here? There you go? Kathy says, been having a bad
couple of days, but hopefully it'llchange. Kathy, I hope you're I
hope it turns around for you.Um, we all have bad days,
you know. Let's take a littlebreak from the paranormal stuff here. We
all have bad days. It happens, you know, And what you got
to do is lean on your friends. If you have to lean on your

(01:25:06):
family, your friends, look forstuff that makes you happy, because if
you dwell on the bad stuff,it will increase. That's that's it.
I mean, that's not metaphysical,that's not you know, anything else.
But if you dwell on feeling bad, if you give up hope, then
it's just it's going to sink youlower into a bad feeling. So you

(01:25:29):
have to pick yourself up. Ifyou want send me a message, I'll
be happy to talk to you fora little bit. You know, we
can chat about stupid shit and youknow I'll crack jokes because that's what I
do, and try to make youhappy. But you have to get out
of your funk where you reach outto friends, you talk to them,
you go out for a little bitand uh and and just do something that

(01:25:53):
makes you happy. Take some timefor you. And the present times just
suck with the uarantine that happened tous, with all the new rules and
so many things that are closed andyou can't do this or that anymore because
you know, everyone's afraid of gettingaffected or affecting others. There are still
things you can do. You canstill get out. You can still go

(01:26:15):
to a park and walk around.You can still go to some exhibits that
are open. Look in your localarea, see what's going on, see
what you can get out to,go hang out with friends. I mean,
we've seen people just hang out ina parking lot, whether they're sitting
in the back of their cars justhanging out. They're they're keeping distance,

(01:26:39):
but they're hanging out talking. Eventhat just gets you outside and gets you
hanging out with friends. So again, I mean, I know things can
suck, and if you're having abad couple of days, you can always
send me a message. You knowI'm always available. I might not get
back to you right away, butdon't take that personally. I'm just really

(01:27:00):
busy. But send me a message. I'll talk to you for a couple
of minutes. No big deal,all right, I'd be happy to So.
I hope that made you feel better. And if it doesn't, then
I suggest rum copy its amounts ofrum lots of rum m. See cat

(01:27:21):
says. If you google add andLorraine Warm, you'll get your info purely
for entertainment value only. Yes,uh that they barely spend any time at
Animeville or Endfield. Oh my god, Endfield. They didn't even get into
the building or the house as faras I know, right because I think
the um oh, the SPR wasthere and Lorene or Ed tried to get

(01:27:49):
in there and they told him no. So I think that's what I'm familiar
with. And oh, yeah,there you go. Cat backs it up.
It was actually the SBR that handledEnfield, yes exactly, um and
and yeah and Ed and Laurene.We're not allowed in there. So I

(01:28:10):
don't know if they got in afterwardsor not, but I know they didn't
get in during the investigation because thatwas all SPR that was in there.
So yeah, but I think theydid basically make up a story that went
along with that to sell books.Oh my god, I can't stand on

(01:28:31):
people. Let's see, uh whatelse we got? Oh, thanks,
I appreciate it, says Kathy.You're welcome Kathy anytime. I mean,
we're all in this together, soyou know, we got we got to
help each other out. Sometimes noteveryone can be strong all the time,

(01:28:51):
So even I break down once ina while. But then I you know,
I usually drink a lot of ramand curl up in the corner a
Leia and you know she makes mehappy, all right, Carol says,
I went, What does that mean? I went? I went to a

(01:29:13):
demonic possession because my childhood was fullof devil. This devil, that possession
and exorcism was very real too manyCatholics. But even after getting a science
degree, I went to that whensomething I went to that when something scary
happened. Hard to beat those earlybiases. Sometimes, you know what I

(01:29:34):
agree? I agree, and Ican relate. I grew up Catholic.
Um, I was raised Catholic.Let me let me say that. Let
me definitely have to rephrase that.I didn't grow up Catholic. I was
raised Catholic, and so a lotof those routines and and and stuff like
that. Like I used to dothe Rosary, like every night, um,

(01:29:57):
going through grade school, I usedto you actually do the entire Rosary,
you would pray, you do thewhole you know, beads go through
the each bead. I would dothat every night. And that's just it
was routine for me until I startedquestioning things. So I can totally relate
that, you know, Okay,I grew up that way, so that's
the way it was. That's theway I grew up. So I fell

(01:30:23):
back on that. So even laterin life when I started questioning things or
I was on a more science levelor more of a skeptical person, even
though I didn't realize I was skeptical, or when I didn't really believe,
I didn't believe in God or anykind of religious stuff like that, if
something traumatic would happen, like Ilost I actually lost a very close family

(01:30:46):
member, an aunt of mine,when she passed away. I was crying
like a baby, and I kindof reverted back to my former beliefs because
it gave me some kind of comfort. And I think it was more I
don't want to say this as likean insult, but it was more like
a comfort food, you know,like when you eat, like, for

(01:31:09):
me, mashed potatoes and meat loaf. Oh my god, that makes me
feel good. Like I can sitthere and eat that and be like,
ah, this is a good meal. I'm good. Everything else that's happened
in the world, fuck it,I don't care. I got meat loaf
and mashed potatoes done. So kindof when you get feelings like that,
let me, let me get thisout of the way so I can use

(01:31:31):
my hands because I'm in my Italianmode now. So when you get feelings
like that, sometimes you revert backto it because you know such a traumatic
event can happen, and you know, what do you do? You try
to go back to things that arekind of familiar that you felt safe with.
And when we grow up and wego through whatever our parents teach us

(01:31:51):
and our family teaches us when we'reyoung, it kind of like has that
familiar feeling, so you kinda goto that almost like it's it's almost like
going back home kind of thing,So I can understand your feelings. I
don't do that anymore. I've actually, I think I've gone past that that

(01:32:15):
phase, so I don't really dothat anymore. Not that I don't really,
I just don't do that anymore.I have other things that I can
do, other outlets when I'm feelingdown. But see, uh yeah,
but yeah, the early biases arereally hard to overcome. So I get
it. It's really hard to shipthose biases because I mean, biases are

(01:32:41):
they're ingrained in us, especially childhoodones when we're raised a certain way.
It's very hard to let go ofthose biases, things that we're taught,
and it becomes tribal knowledge to us, you know, like this is the
way it's always been, because thisis the way it's been since we can
remember. So that's that's always whichmay only be like five or six years

(01:33:03):
when we start thinking about it,but that's the way it's always been.
So it's comfortable to us that that'swhat we go back. It's our default.
So yeah, I totally get it. And to beat them, it
takes time. It takes a lotof time. Again, raised Catholic,
strict Catholic, so it was veryhard to let go of all those beliefs.

(01:33:28):
But once I did, oh god, damn, I felt good.
All right, Moving on, Kevin. Kevin says Kathy. Besides getting out
there, if you're sad, joina Facebook page of your favorite musical back
super fans always have cool stories andrare videos that are so much fun.
That's good. That's really cool.I like that, Kathy. I just

(01:33:51):
got two new bottles of vodka.Oh I think they're fist. You should
be drinking those right now. Hmm. All right, JD says Carol Love
the Devils. Carol love the Devil'sbeen the best friend the church has ever

(01:34:13):
had, as he's kept it inbusiness all these years. Okay, all
right, so it's too Carol,I get it. Um Wow, that's
a good one. Yeah, let'ssee. Kevin likes meat blow. Match
day is done. It sounds likea new T shirt. Oh my gosh,

(01:34:38):
maybe I'll do that. Maybe I'llget one just for me, says
meat loaf and match day is done. That's it. If you put the
plate of that in front of meand it's good, don't give me the
crapshit. But if it's good,Oh, I'll be your friend forever.
M cat Ward says, Values,assumptions, beliefs, expectations super important.

(01:35:00):
Be aware of fabes. I likethat. That's nice. Yeah, but
all those I mean, you makea great point. And I wish you
weren't, you know, like againstcoming on this show. I know you're
not against coming on the show,but I think you're against coming on video.
I think that's per our previous conversationabout this. But I wish you

(01:35:20):
would come on because I think Ithink we would have a good conversation.
But yes, I this right there. Values assumptions, beliefs, expectations.
You have to be aware of those. Um. Oh, you're getting serious
now I took glasses off. Youhave to be aware of those because they
influence your everyday life, from decisionsto how you react to people, to

(01:35:47):
how you interact with people. Waityou say I'm not, then come on
the show. Why don't you comeon the show. I'm sending you a
link and I want you to comeon the show. Here we go.
I'm gonna send you and I'm gonnacontinue on with my conversation. Here.

(01:36:08):
Let's say mmmmmmmmmmmm, let's say bumpbump, boom. Uh huh. There
we go. The link is sent. So the ball is in your court.
If you don't show up calling youout next week, how you do
anyway? So I'm gonna go backto your previous comment. Here, put

(01:36:30):
my glasses back on because I can'tsee anything. Um. But yeah,
knowing your values, knowing how youassume things, your prius, your your
previous beliefs, and the expectations youhave, it's extremely important because it really
affects everything that you do. Um. I've talked a lot about ghost hunters

(01:36:50):
that go into a place. Ifthey go into a place that they think
is haunted, that they believe ishaunted. So they already had that belief
that the place is haunted. Theyhave this expectation that they're going to go
in there and get evidence of thathaunting. They're going to assume that whatever
strange things happen that they can't explainright away is paranormal and that's their value.

(01:37:16):
Like they see this stuff, theyget these weird noises, they get
these visual anomalies like on video orphotographs, and to them, it's valuable.
That's what they value. They're like, oh shit, we got a
whole bunch of evidence. Not theydon't put it through any kind of peer
review. They don't put it throughanalysis. They don't reach out to other

(01:37:39):
people and say, hey, youknow, like look for experts and photography
or videography or audio or whatever.They don't consult these experts. They simply
say, hey, this is whatwe like, and this is what we're
going to present because this is valuableto us. So, oh my god,
I see somebody is in the greenroom. Here we go. We're

(01:38:01):
gonna have some fun with this.I think she's looking at the camera.
It's funny seeing people in the greenroom and they're like kind of looking like
they're not sureing what's going on.Here we go audio or whatever. They
don't hear myself. They simply say, hey, this is what we like
and this is valuable. Yes.On the way, Oh my god,

(01:38:25):
I see somebody myself. There wego looking at the Can you hear me?
Now? I can hear you.I can. I don't know what
you're hearing. You're hearing like anecho? Are you playing the Facebook feed?

(01:38:45):
I can. I can hear you, but I can also hear an
echo of what you were saying before. Okay, So if you're playing the
Facebook feed and I said at thesame time, you have to take the
Facebook feed out. Oh okay,okay, hang on, give me a
seck. Sure. Oh there wego. Oh can you hear me?

(01:39:10):
I can hear you. Yeah,I can hear you. All right,
we got it working. So Hellofrom Australia. Hello, Hello from America.
Wow. This is awesome. Ilove being international so much fun.
It's good to talk to you.I'm very glad that you came on.
Thank you so much. Thank youfor having me. Are you nervous?

(01:39:33):
Ah? I hate cameras? Why? Uh just yeah, okay. But
to be honest, though, Ido love your input. I really like
your input and the comment that youput up. I love this. The

(01:39:53):
values, assumptions, beliefs, andexpectations, I mean, very important to
be aware of. So give usyour view. Why do you think these
are important to be aware of?Okay? Well, um, do I
really need headphones on? By theway, because I think you might be
okay as long as you don't havethe Facebook feed going, so you might

(01:40:15):
be I close it off. Hangon, okay, Now I can't hear
you. I don't know what happenedwith your microphone, but I can't hear
you at all. Now, no, no sound. Can you hear me?

(01:40:45):
Okay, I can't hear you atall. So something with your microphone
turned off? Out there you go? Okay. I don't know why,
but when I unplugged, the headphonewent on to meet Okay, So go
ahead, tell me tell me whythis stuff is important to you. Uh,

(01:41:06):
well, I guess basically because it'sbeen a big Realizing the importance of
all of this has been a bigpart of my journey. As I already
mentioned to you, I've I've kindof had a little bit of a decently
long journey over the time, Iwent from ghost Hunter and zach Began's want

(01:41:30):
to be and running around in thedark with a k too meeter to someone
that's now doing the research, doingthe hard yards. You know, joined
joined the SBR, joined LEXI,and joined assa UM. Been reading a

(01:41:53):
lot of your work and everything likethat, and it's been it's been important
to me Shoe acknowledge the fact thatthese these things do affect the way we're
going to interpret and translate a paranormalexperience. I agree, I totally agree,

(01:42:15):
and I can't I can't take Ican't take credit for the acronym.
By the way, I actually readthat acronym in a really really good book
that I read about three years ago, I think when I was sort of
starting to turn more towards the darkside. Welcome, it's fun. We

(01:42:40):
have cookies, That's what I heard. So I used to work as a
cook. I make very nice cookies. I expect when I come over there
eventually one day, I expect toget some cookies, as long as you'll
join me in a couple of shotsof firewalls. How. Yeah, it's

(01:43:01):
totally on. It's totally on.But yeah, it's it's important to acknowledge
the effect that our values, assumptions, beliefs, expectations can have upon the
way we translate, the way weinterpret things. You know, just to

(01:43:23):
go into assumptions and expectations and things. So you know, we go to
a we go to a kind ofa creepy looking old place or something,
and there's for a lot of people, there's going to be that automatic association
that Okay, it's really old andit's really creepy looking, and so therefore

(01:43:45):
it must be haunted, and thatin turn can influence every single other experience
we all. Yeah, exactly.I mean, that's that's put perfectly blunt.
That that's just right there, thatthat's perfect I love that, because
Yeah, I can't say times howmany times I've heard ghost hunters, either

(01:44:11):
they announce it on social media orI hear them like in person, maybe
like a conference or some other eventwhere they're like, oh, we're going
to this place, we can't waitto get all the evidence. We're going
to get so much stuff, andit's like you're not even there yet.
You're you're actually taking you through theroof preconceived notions. They are creating these

(01:44:33):
preconceived notions about Okay, so thisplace is old and so and such and
such a number of people might havedied here, might have died here,
and why does that even matter?Right? It does? Even letter,
It doesn't. It really doesn't.I mean, I think some people think

(01:44:54):
it does, but no, itdoesn't. I work in a hospital,
and I mean hospitals. People die. There's a lot of people that die
in hospitals. So that if you'regonna talk, if you're gonna make a
scale and just judge how haunted aplace is by how many people die there,

(01:45:15):
then cemeteries never gonna be haunted.That's That's exactly what the guy that
was my mentor when I first steppedinto this, you know, twenty something
years ago. That's exactly what theguy said. That was my mentor.
It was, why would you evenwhy the fuck would you even hang around

(01:45:38):
this cementary? Exactly? Cemeteries wouldn'tbe haunt it. Hospitals should be at
the top of the list. Hospitals, nursing homes like that's it. That's
where every haunting should be. Youshould be able to go there any time
and just set up a study,set up a whole experiment, because those

(01:45:59):
are places that should be the mosthaunted anywhere on the planet. But if
all those if all those theories aboutplates memory are true, then yes,
although that said, that said,I did work in a nursing home once
upon a time. I used to. Once upon a time, I was
a cook before this virus killed thewhole industry. Uh yeah, So once

(01:46:28):
upon a time I worked in anursing home and I did have some weird
stuff happen there too. And thenthere's my jail, and then there's the
hotel. I think that should beup there on the list though too.
You know, if we're going totalk about residue with things, then that's

(01:46:48):
cool. Well all right, I'mgonna I'm actually get into the close of
the show, so I'm gonna letyou go. Thank you so much for
coming on. I appreciate it,and I thank you for your insight and
conversation. It was very nice havingyou on. And we have to do
this again, Yes, I will, I will do you know me,

(01:47:13):
I'm kind of camera shy. Okayagain, we're gonna we're gonna break you
of that habit. We're gonna breakyou that shyness. We'll get you on
here like once a month, andwe're long. You're you're gonna be like
a natural. You're gonna be assoon as you're gonna come come on,
you're gonna be like, all right, it's my show now, and you're
gonna take over. You get theview from the land of Oz. But

(01:47:35):
god do I have to do?I have to win each headphones? Well,
we'll see, well, you knowwhat, we'll try and we'll try
it off air and see what happens. Because like I don't use I don't
use headphones obviously, um but somereason, for some reason, it wouldn't

(01:47:56):
let me speak on it wouldn't letme speak on microphone without headphones. But
it's really unsettling because I talked toyou myself. Well, you know what,
They're easy, Trek. Just moveone of the headphones back. There,
we go a little better. There, you go just enough that you
can hear yourself. That's what Iusually do when I have to wear headphones.

(01:48:18):
I only wear one just so Ican hear myself coming through UM or
the other people, and then Ican hear myself naturally, so I don't
so I'm not talking like this.That's the thing. I don't know if
i'd been yelling at you for thelast few minutes, now you haven't.
You've been good, all right,Thank you very much, thank you very

(01:48:41):
much. All right, bye byebye. Oh that was great. I
love it. Thank you Kat somuch for coming on. I appreciate it.
And uh, good night, jD. I hope you're hope I
caught you before you left, butthank you for coming on and hanging out.
And Dana says, well, that'swhat I expected at ESP and nothing

(01:49:06):
out Eastern Eastern State Penitentiary, Sothat was Oh, that was a fun
night. That was fun night.I actually got to hang out with her
and the girls from the Peaches fromthe New Jersey I don't remember the name.
They have a New Jersey based paranormalgroup and they were nice enough kind

(01:49:27):
enough to let me tag along withthem at Eastern State Penitentiary, which is
a well known huge jail here inPhiladelphia. So awesome night. But yeah,
we actually went there all night andnothing happened, well, nothing happened
to me around me, but youknow my skeptic or en shin. So

(01:49:48):
let's see what do we got.We got about ten minutes before the close
of the show. I'm gonna readoff Kathy's comment here, and then I'm
gonna get to my announcements. SoKathy says, So, the most recent
experience was at my home. Kidsand I set up in my room to
try and find out who slash whatit might have been. So I'm guessing

(01:50:10):
you have something going on there.She continues, whatever it was caused an
empty small bottle to be flipped.No one was near it. So later
that night we got together, Idid a short video the air went dead.
I don't know what that means.The air went dead. She continues,
you could actually hear a pin dropAt one point, I swore I

(01:50:32):
saw a small shadow. I keptplaying it back afterwards, but not one
hundred percent sure. We may neverknow for sure what it was or who
it was. So with that,with that comment, with that story,
you're seeing a shadow. So youhave two things that happened there. The

(01:50:55):
bottle flipped and you saw a shadow. Yeah, I put up three bottle
flipped and you saw a shadow.So the bottle flipping kind of hard to
get into because you know, withoutbeing there, without actually like seeing everything
sit up and knowing the environment,knowing what's around it and having control of

(01:51:15):
the environment. It's very hard tounderstand what might have happened the shadow.
Lots of things that could have happenedwith that shadow. It could have been
lots of lights from outside. Itcould have been lights from inside. It
could have been and when I saylights, it doesn't have to be a
bright light. It could be avery subtle light. Shadow is the absence

(01:51:36):
of light. Something is blocking lightfrom getting to an area, which causes
a shadow. So it could bealmost anything in any kind of level of
light. It could be a verydim light, even from a like a
cell phone, which something blocks itfor some reason. It could be a

(01:51:57):
person, it could be a thingacross the room that creates it's a shadow,
or if it's a dark environment thatyou're already in, it could be
something as simple as just you looking. How do I explain this if you
I forget the term for it,There is actually a term for it.
But if you stare at someplace longenough, you're gonna see movement. And

(01:52:21):
it has to do with our eyes. Our eyes that actually don't stay still,
they actually go back and forth rightto left rapidly. So if you're
staring down a dark hallway, You'regonna see movement, and it's not because
there's actually movement down there. It'sbecause if your eyes actually going back and
forth. I'm gonna write this downbecause I want to look at a term

(01:52:43):
up because I've used this, I'veread about it, I've learned about it,
and then I could keep forgetting theterminology that goes with it, eye
movements and dark. All right,So I'm gonna go with that a little
bit more. Um So, Imean, if you're I don't know where

(01:53:04):
you are. Where are you,Kathy, If you're if you're close to
Pennsylvania or in the Pennsylvania area,let me know, because I would love
to actually come out to this locationand, you know, hang out for
a little bit with you and seewhat's going on. Maybe I can help
out with some explanations or or figureout a solution to some kind of mystery.

(01:53:25):
I don't know, but I'm notsure exactly where you are. Let's
see, uh, Carol says,Kat. You've seen to have a lot
of stories about the jail. Wantto hear them when we get a sound
back. Okay, Kenny, wedidn't even get to my hotel story.
Probably that's for the best, youknow what we're saying that for the round

(01:53:47):
two. When when we get youon next time, um, maybe we'll
get you on for a longer timeand you can talk about your hotel story.
We can talk about other things,especially with the jail. I really
like to hear it about the jail. So maybe we can set up a
date where you actually come on andwe'll do a whole episode where we're just

(01:54:10):
talking about the jail and the storiesassociated with it, the historical stories,
the paranormal stories, and then peoplecan ask questions associated with that. So
we'll talk later. I'll reach outto you after, you know, sometime
this weekend and we can talk moreabout that. Kathy is in Ohio,
so all right, that's a bitof a road trip, but it might

(01:54:33):
be doable in the future, inthe future, future future, all right,
definitely at the end of the show, because I am buzzed, all
right, so let me get tomy I am at the end of the
comments, So let me get tomy announcements. Uh, CAP's already off,

(01:54:54):
Joe. What I got coming up? My public events? And I
have to clarify that public events thatI have coming up because I have a
lot of private events that I'm gonnado that I can't really discuss. So
let's see the public events. Tomorrow, October third, I will be at
Selma Mansion in Norristown, Pennsylvania.I'll be there there's an event going on.

(01:55:20):
I'm kind of I love Selma Mansion, but this event is like a
third party that's coming in and Idon't really like the third party person.
But I'm going to observe, notto cause trouble, but to observe.
So I'll be there tomorrow. There'san exhibit that's going on. It's called

(01:55:42):
the History of the Paranormal and it'sby Brian Kano. So he's a kind
of paranormal celebrity kind of guy,and he's sponsoring this and I'm not going
again. I'm not going to,you know, fuck with him. I'm
going to see what the exhibit is, you know, I really want to
see what's going on, what hehas to display. And I also heard

(01:56:05):
that he was taking photographs, likeparanormal photography and Nora videos maybe I think
it was photographs and he was gonnaactually like put them up on display and
analyze them and give feedback. SoI'm really interested in that because that's you
know, that's my area. SoI really want to be there for that

(01:56:26):
and see what's what's being said.So I'll be there tomorrow from noon to
five pm. That's the event.I don't know if i'll be there for
the whole thing. I might bebecause I know most of the people that
run the Some Imagine that are partof the board members and the Historical Society,
So I might be there all dayjust hanging out. So if you're
in the area, come on over, Hey, Pete, what's up?

(01:56:50):
Come on over, hang out,say him shoot the ship with me.
Feel free to bring a bottle ofrum and donate it to the cause I
don't mine. So that's my oneevent. And the other event is again
at selm Imagine. It's October seventeenth. They're having a psychic fair, which
is always fun. So they're havinga psychic fair and basically the ideas like

(01:57:16):
a whole bunch of psychics come outand then they do readings all day,
so I will be I plan onbeing there and getting some readings. Hopefully
we'll see what happens. Hopefully.You know, they let me, but
selm Imagine they let me do prettymuch whatever I want, which is nice.
We're friendly, we work together.I'm not out to you know,

(01:57:41):
exposed psychics. I'm really when Iget readings, I really want to get
a reading. So I'm hoping,you know, to find somebody that gives
me a really cool reading. Sothat's what I'll be doing. That's my
public events, the proos that Ihave every Saturday night. Most of the
time. I do another podcast Ico host with Tim Vickers and Dave Schumacher.

(01:58:04):
We do Three Tortured Souls, whichis kind of like this podcast,
except we take one theme, wetake one topic, and three of us
discuss it. We also answer somequestions. It's really good. It's really
intense. You don't have to hearme talk all the time. You get
to hear two different points of viewbesides mine, which is really good because

(01:58:28):
we come from different backgrounds. Andit's really really good podcasts. I really
love it. Visit my t springstore t spring slash Scientific Skepticism, lots
of T shirt designs on their differentones. All the money that goes there
actually goes to support my work,the research that I do, the experiments

(01:58:49):
that I do. It helps mecontinue doing what I do, so it's
not just you know, profit moneythat I go spend on rum. I
have my own rum fund separate fromthat, but the money that comes in
from that actually goes back into myresearch, so it helps me out.
And apparently everyone's been very happy withthe shirt so far. You saw JD

(01:59:11):
he had the Wuiji board design,which is awesome. I love that shirt.
I wear that myself. What elsedo I got? Oh? I
should mention I really should mention thatnot only am I broadcasting on my personal
pages, but I also broadcast onthe WLFE dB radio network. We also

(01:59:33):
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(01:59:54):
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So if you want to sponsor itby putting up a commercial if you have

(02:00:15):
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(02:00:36):
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(02:00:58):
I can go pee, which isalways good, especially when I'm drinking this
big thing. So with that said, I am good. What the hell
is this? I actually got amessage something about a battery level that was
weird that popped up on screen.I don't know why that did it all

(02:01:20):
right, anyway, So enjoy yourweekend, have fun, learn stuff.
I always love to learn, andI always encourage people to learn, keep
learning, never stop learning, andbe safe, take care of each other,
help each other out and That's prettymuch it. And with that,

(02:01:43):
I am going to say, I'mgonna I'm getting the ending ready, here
we go. So with that,never stop learning

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