August 14, 2025 • 43 mins
In Little Women, before Jo goes to New York, she publishes her first novel, which becomes a complete flop. This has never been adapted. After Jo has published her first, flop novel, she says to herself that she wishes she would have an "unbiased" person to help her with her writings. Another moment in Little Women, where we can see that Louisa May Alcott planned Friedrich's character very early on to be both Jo's love interest and the person who helps her to reach her full potential as a writer.
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Hello, friends, and welcome tothe Little Woman Podcast. I'd just treasently
re read Little Heidi. I hadn'tread it for years. Do you guys
know that book. It tells aboutthis little Swiss girl who is an orphan
and she mostily with her grandfather,and he has this reputation of being a
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really mean man and people avoid him. In my memory, the grandfather was
really mean and didn't really care thatmuch about Heidi at first. Then I
re read the book and realized thatmy memory was completely off. Grandfather was
really sweet and kind to hide fromthe beginning, and soon after she came
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he started to be nicer to thetown folks as well. Some one lefked
me a comment and said that intheir memory, Fredick was a terrible towards
Joe in the book, but theydid not tell me had they been effected
by the movies, but they weregoing to read the book again to see
what was the truth. As youand I know, Friddick is one of
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the kindest characters in Little Woman,and he is never mean to Joe,
and Joe is not mean to him. I also realized that the relationship between
the grandfather and a little Heidi itreminded me a lot of the relationship between
Bed and the older mister Lawrence Order. Mister Lawrence is generally considered to be
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kind, but sometimes he can bevery crumpy and moody. This is because
he lost his son before he wasable to make peace with him. This
is exactly the same reason why Heidi'sgrandfather is angry. He had an argument
with his son and then his sondied before they could make amend. In
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both cases, the older man appealswith the help of a little girl.
I thought it was interesting, andI checked that Little Heidi was written only
a few decades after Little Woman.I guess that was one of those common
tropes in the books that were publishedduring this age. I always get angry
when people say that chose anger iswhat makes her special, or that chose
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anger is justified in the book,choice is not really that angry, and
she never argues with Fredick. Sheseeks his advice because she wants his help,
and he helps her to become abetter writer. I grew up with
a parent that was mentally ill andshe had lots of anger issues, and
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trust me, there is nothing aboutthat that should be glamorized or put to
a better stall. It is scary, and it doesn't matter if you are
a child or an adult, itis still scary. And now Christina and
I continue our discussion about the chapterfriend This is a Little Woman Podcast,
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how Fredick helps Joe to become thewriter she wants to be. It's interesting
how the narrator writes how hearing thesemen speaking about world where God it doesn't
exist is painful for her, butthen when begins to speak, her world
goes right again. You can seehow their values are very similar. And
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I think that's really important because Iread this study recently that the couples who
stay together the longest are really theones who have the same value system.
Like it's not sense of humor oror attraction, it's actually the values that
they share. Joey is very attractedto friedk physically, they're more connected by
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that she values his character. Likeyou said, that's why some like Joan
Laurie can be the same Like II was sort of rewriting like a sort
of modern take on Little Women andtaking that team when Joe Monthly New York
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and Marmie says, I don't thinkthat youtub work and pretty much the idea
that you know, just because you'resimilar and taste and personality, that doesn't
mean you're gonna be the best together. It's really about your morals and your
principles. That's what's you know,hold you together, because really, if
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you are with someone that is exactlylike you, I feel like you're going
to just see a lot of themore negative stuff about yourself that you don't
like, and you'll not only startto like hate that person, but you'll
like you'll hate yourself. You'll golike, oh, so this is what
people meant when they say that theyhated when I did this, and now
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I'm gonna hate that person because they'redoing that. But then I also hate
myself because I've been doing that too, And it's just this really bad cycle,
I feel. But communication is onethe biggest thing of any kind of
relationship, romantic, platonic, familial, whatever work. Communication is key.
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And if you definitely give that senseof it here with Joan Friederick rather than
Joan Laurie, because he just doesnot with this here at all. It
was funny. I was reading oneof the Henry Derick Taro biographies and there
is this mentioned how he had happyto help the servants and carry their loads.
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And I was just thinking about thatchapter in when Joe meets Fredrick for
the first time and then she seeshow he helps the servant girl to carry
the bucket of coal. So onceagain we had this connection between Fredeg and
Henry, one of those things whereyou can see how she's more attracted to
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his character more than anything else.Of course, he's like this intellectual person,
but also he's very kind and thenevident, like he's described to be
here here in the book. Ifthere was not only good but great,
like sometimes I wish like they wouldbe this The Woman adaptation where that was
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a narrator and would read these things. Three version of Peter Pan where he
did get a little bit the sortof narration that kind of ship gave some
of the more inner feelings and inher thoughts with some of the characters.
Wendy had difficulty of wanting to growup, but kind of did, and
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they helped to give a little bitmore understanding of the characters. But yeah,
it's difficult. Like I was justsaw a thing where the show Shadow
involved with the face off of thebook series as well as the Six of
Crows zoology specifically some kinds of likeI just I wish there was some sort
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of narration because I want people toknow what it is that Kaz really is
thinking, because so much of whatit said and the novel is wonderful and
so great. I can't obviously saythose things allow because the whole point is
he's hiding his feelings more and ash, but I can't say it. I
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just want the audience to know thatthere are those feelings. But so yeah,
I think we could always kind ofwant a narrator to sort of give
those little passages to kind of reallyput it in everybody's faces, like see,
like this is one from the bookinto how character really feels about it.
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It can't be interpreted in any otherway. So doc taking it and
thinking that it's this way rather thanthat way. Put it here, Jim
and reach sheltery thread there an absorbingoccupation. Well I like that. I
hadn't noticed that before, but Iremember that he was giving her Germanists and
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then he read her Tin Soldier fromAnsk Christine Anderson. But I like that
they have also read Sheila and getto get there. I don't know,
it's one of my head Kenneth's likeFreedy reading books to Joe and I've read
great too many fans fas, butlike I like that so much. Oh
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yeah, hot ice, yeah,and these guys do. I feel like
it's Cannon and he has like oneof the most soothing voices of any character.
Now, women that just listening tothe talking just feel like I don't
care what you say, just stop. It's like like when someone said,
like, you know, I canlisten to Morgan Freeman read a poem book
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and I'd be happy, like Idon't know what you're saying, just just
please. Like I feel like thatwould be Joe. Joe would just be
like, go ahead. I mean, not no German book yet, but
I'll get there, but I'll understandjust from your voice. Just go ahead.
Yeah. Somehow my Freddy all listento sound like Gabriel Burn with a
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German accent. Maybe it just wiredinto my brain somehow it is. I'm
pretty sure that's like the first versionI ever saw. I mean, it
came out the year I was born, but still I'm pretty sure that,
Like you know, my mom madesure to have me watch that. She
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hasn't seen as any versions as Ihave. To my knowledge, she hadn't
seen definitely the Katherine had her oneand the one Arrider one. I'm pretty
sure Jude Alton I had her watchThe Modern Days an eighth version, and
then we watched the Girlik version together. I'm sure she was probably like the
Masterpiece Theater version. But I guessI sort of think, what does Freaker
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look like? In my head,it is close to Gabriel Byrne, but
that's because that was like the firstone I ever saw. He is fairly
close. Like he's got that's sortof like shaky sort of Maxi dark hair
and the blue eyes, and istall and has a very soothing, calm
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presence. I think. I mean, they all the other Freeders are good.
I feel like they kind of havethat same vibe, but I think
he just hit it one of thebest. I like to watch Gabriel burn
of films. He always has hisown, like a very suiting pressence in
most of his films, even ifhe pays a villain. I think it
comes naturally to him. When Iread The Little Woman, when I imagine
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Phebec, he's like this mixtore ofMark Stanley and Gabriel Byrne and my jo
is mixed of being on a writerand Katharine hepburn Yeah, and my my
Laurie never looks like any of thefilm Lauris he has brown skin and curry
hair. Righty, where are wegonna get dark? And Laurie like,
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they come on, it's you know, twenty twenty two. Guess let's get
a dark skin and Lori, let'sget an actual German free Edric. Let's
get an actual true adaptations of itslike how we fanto Maniapa things feel about.
We have many great adaptations that wedo enjoy, but when are we
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going to get one that is actuallytrue to the text, one that is
true. It's like with enough greenGables. I was seeing many kind of
green Gables adaptations, but they arenot really that loyal to the book.
Most of them. They kind ofhave the same thing that happens with Little
Woman. They take elements from theprevious adaptations, and I think it's a
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shame. Sometimes. I joke thatwhen I retire, I make End of
gree Gables podcast. But I finishedLittle Woman first. I was going to
read that of one and start thatit is meant mentioned here because I read
this chapter earlier today when I waspreparing all this. So I'm going to
put that to my reading list,because for he was going to read her
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The Dead of Wallenstein. This islike a fan fiction material story from Schiller,
I believe. Yeah, I wouldsay. My copy of the book
has like these little up and itsays that it's a part of a trilogy
based on thirty years More and itis by Schiller, which I had never
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been beyond this. I had neverheard of it. Oh yeah, and
about Gabriel Burn, somebody left tocomment to my YouTube channel that they thought
that he looked like Henry David Tarrow. I could see that, Yeah,
you know, blue eyes. Hegave a little extreme you know, Mutton
Chance. I could see that.I know that I didn't see the show
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where I saw like a picture ofit. I know that m Dickinson,
the woman. We're kind of likethis. I hate to say parody because
I don't really think that it is. So it's sort of this sort of
somewhat modern take on Emily didn't say, but they have John Millanius and you
gave it the row and they gavehim like those like I knew right away
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who it was just because of thoselike nutting stops that you guys. I
could see that once, now thatyou said that, I could see that
with Gabriel Byrne. When I firstdid the research on Good, I thought
he looked a lot like Good.And then I want to maybe all these
men have some time for similar looks. That was some HEALTI plus attracted to.
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That's cool. I think we somewhereand are self conscious we have what
we're attracted to. Like like Ihad a exercise when I was in school,
um that I went to school fortheater and I had to do a
monologue from It's someone nic Dream,and my teachers like, all right,
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I want you to try to likepicture and him what you is attractive or
at least when what do you thinkare physically unattractive qualities? Because I think
it's was a Demetrius that I didn'tlike, and I realized I was like,
oh, yeah, I guess theydon't really like blonde blond guys.
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Because it's really in my head whenI was thinking about like who I was
my characters post in Love with Ipictured him as being more dark haired and
a little bit more less chiseled andnot so muscular. I would really pictured
like a more I guess kind ofin a way almost free Drick liked as
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a very kind phase and dark hairtype because I remember when I said,
like blond hair chiseled. I heardof her like who and I'm like,
yeah, this is uh the metriusI don't like so, but yeah,
I think that we all kind ofwriters. I had least I had to
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go from the perspective of writing myselfof you write characters in a way that
you're sort of attracted to and thepeople and in a relation of like what
certain people have affected you in yourlife. You know, if you write
a character that's good but lazy trodbecause you know you knew someone that was
one not a lazy or someone thatwas total wishy washy and whatnot to do.
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I knew kind of as a badthing because I knew someone that was
wishy washing definitely knowing that she hada crush oun Henry David grow just even
just the point of being in lovewith him, does not surprise me that
she would describe free your Again,many of her other meaning love interests be
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of that same physical traits. Haveyou read King of Clups, It's as
story. No, I haven't youshould eat that next because it has a
German love interest who has a bushybeard. I think you can read it
free online? Oh cool? Andfor anyone that wants to know, you
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can read Little Women online to projectgoober Day have a free whole on a
bridge version of Little Women online.So for anyone that wants to read it,
there you go. After the readingcame the lesson, which was a
lively one. Bridgie was in agay mood. That much nice, and
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that cos had kept your eyes dancingwith merriness. And stop that laugh,
to ask her with an air ofmoth eyes, that was irritable, irresistible,
miss March. But what do youlaugh in your master's face? Have
you no read no respect for me? That you go want so bad?
How can I be respectful? Sir? Can you forget to take your hat
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off? A joe looking his headto his hat, they have them minded?
Professor gravely felt and removed a littlecompact, but get admitted, and
then threw back his head and laughedlike a merry vast vial Ah. I
see him now. It is thatand Tina who makes me a fool of
my cat? Well it is nothingbut see you this lesson does not go
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well, YouTube shall wear him.But the lesson did not go at all
for a few minutes because mister Bearhad caught sight of a picture on the
ass. And I'm folding in thatis with an air of graps rou disgust.
I wish these papers did not comeinto the house. They are not
for children to see, nor youngpeople to read. Is not well,
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and I have no patience for thosewho make this harm. Joe glanced at
the sheet and saw a pleasing illustrationto close of a lunatic, a corpse,
a villain, and a viper.She did not like it, but
the ampost and return it over wasnot one of displeasure, but the fear,
because for a minute she fancied thatthe paper was a volcano. It
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was not, however, and herpanic subsided as she remembered that even if
it had been, and one ofher own tails was on it, there
would have been no names to tradeher. She had to trade herself,
however, by a book in ablush. For though an active minded man,
the professor saw it could feel morethan people fancy. He knew that
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Joe wrote, and had met herdown among the newspaper offices more than one,
but as she never spoke of it, he asked no questions, in
spite of a strong desire to doher work. Now it occurred to him
that she was doing what she wasashamed of home, and it troubled him.
He did not save himself. Itis none of my business. I
have no right to say anything,as many people would have done. He
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only remember that she was young andpoor, a girl far from her mother's
love and father's care, and hewas moved to help her with an impulse
as quick and natural as that whichwould pump him to put out his hands,
to stay with Gaby from a puddle. All the splash through his mind
in a minute, But now atrace of it appeared in his face,
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and by the time the paper wasturned and Joe's needles threaded, he is
read it to stay quite naturally,but very greatly. Yes, you are
right to put it from me.I do not like to think that good
young girl should see such things.There made pleasant sum, but I would
rather give my avoy gunpower to playwith than this bad trash. All may
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not be bad, only silly,you know, And if there is a
demand for it, I don't seeany harm in applay it. Many respectable
people make an honest living out ofwhat are called s stational stories that Joe
Scratching gathers so energetically at the rawof the little followed her fin. There
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is a demand for whiskey, butI think you and I do not care
to sell it. If the respectfulpeople knew what harm they did, he
would not feel the living was onit. They have no right to put
poison in the sugar plump and letthe little ones eat it. No,
they should think little and sweep mudin the streets before they do they do
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this thing. Mister bearer spoke warmlyand walked to the fire, probbling the
paper in his hands. Joe said, still looking at if the fire had
come to her, her cheeks burnedlong after that cock head had turned into
smoke and gone the harmlessly up thechimney. She's like this, She's like
much to send all the rest afterhim. Whether the professor coming back with
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a vie there, Joe thought,would have blazed her piles of papers upstairs
with me, and her hard earnedmoney weighed rather heavily on their conscience at
that minute. Then she thought becauseall made herself mine are not like that,
fair enough, they are only silly, never bad. It mightn't be
worried. And then taking up herbooks, he said, with a studio
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space, shall we go on there? I'll be very good and proper.
Now I shall hope, so hesaid, be met more than she imagined,
and the gravest kind of he gaveher and made her feel as if
the words with a volcano for practicalon a large type on the forehead.
This chapter has so many things totalk about. Yeah, I wanted to
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say for the small moment again,it's one of those things, for it's
so small but noticeable shows free Drick'sgood humor because when he says I could
definitely hear him in a very sweet, joking voice like if this lesson doesn't
know, well, you get towhere they hat like he's guys in the
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first for the listings for free.I think the twenty eighteen for it was
quite funny. Yeah, okay,pretty burn and well I think the ninety
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thirty three was a bit too paternal. I would have written him to be
more merry. Yeah, he doeshave sense of humor, but people just
think, oh, he's this trialprofessor. People. It's like, oh,
Laurie is so funny, And mostof the things that Laurie does in
the book, they are not reallythat funny, right, I can catching
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Meg and John that's he thinks that'sfunny, but it's like that's an evasion
of privacy in such a cruel joketo play good people. Then it's the
like the part where he gives Megall this chunk that breaks, and he
thinks, oh, this is sofunny and like and I'm reading that you
can't be serious. The reaction thatI have now for that is like,
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no, dude, do that becausehe behaves like he's a little boy and
he's supposed to be like twenty oneor something. There's some uncle schooler who
wrote that Laurie doesn't age well,and I agree so much with that,
And I think Freedick age is somuch better than Maurie because, like you
said in our last discussion, thathe is actually more of a feminist character,
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which is quite modern for this age. I feel I always feel like
people when oh Joe doesn't want togrow up and she's more of afraid of
change even and I remember seeing someonesays, you can't be afraid of change,
even good ones, because it's stillchange. But Joe, I feel
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like, rose up before Laurie does. He always felt like she probably let's
just say we want to. Herlowest point is during her all that time
when Meg gets married, because toher it's a change, and she's like,
I don't want Meg to go awaybecause it's a change. It means
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I'll lose a sister to her,it feels like it's moving a sister.
And I think partially too, sheknows that, Like because she and Meg
her like a year apart, thatmeans people will expect the same thing from
her too, and she's not quiteready for it. But I feel like
that in the years, you knowthat we get since that time, she
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does realize, Okay, you can'tobviously stop growing from growing up, and
it doesn't necessarily mean you change completely. But yeah, I always felt that
Lorie was really the last character ofanyone on The Woman to grow up,
because while Joe comes back to NewYork a little bit more mature and a
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little bit more worldly, we couldeven say Marie is still clinging to childhood,
and she like, we can't likeit, and I and I always
felt like his proposal was a lad, last ditch attempt to try to keep
hanging on the childhood and Joe's like, you can't, we can't, and
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it's gonna be a terrible idea.We do. Yeah, and now we
know that Laurie was based to aman, two men that were lot younger
than Moves my uncle, so itdefinitely explains that why he feels so much
more immature compared to the sisters.Even with Amy, when Laurie's in Europe,
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he kind of I think there's amoment where it's described that he behaved
like opinion and child and Amy wasannoyed and then she lectured him. And
Laurie's like four years older than Amy. It's like he's like in between between
Meg and Joel. Just roughly,let's just say if mag seventeen and Joe's
fifteen, I think Laurie is supposedto be like sixteen like something like that,
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because I think it was like hewas out of those party, but
Joe could it because like he wasof age and she won't, but Meg
could because she was obviously like aShe's definitely a year older than Gri that
I do remember. But yeah,I think Lorie was the last one to
really grow up, and I thinkthat has a lot to do if we
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really want to kind of like psychoanalyzehim. Has something to do with lack
of sibling, lack of up fronts, sort of like he gets these unofficial
sisters that sort of so late pointin his life and he wants to be
able to enjoy a house that henever had, and now that his quote
unquote sisters are growing up, hedoesn't like it because he's like, I
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just saw my family. I foundthese sister these plates place, you know,
late house and and I and Idon't want to give that up yet.
I hate when people try to sayJoe doesn't want to grow up and
net cheese, like they're kind ofright, but I hate when they make
a team like that's her reason fornot wying to get married, or like,
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well, well she never really growsup. Like, no, she
does grow up because one she knowsthat kind of have to and two even
she kind of realizes eventually, likelike the things that she thought as a
girl, they don't have to beas a woman. Again, just kind
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of thinking back of what we talkedabout in the last episode of Like You
and I like if Joe was amodern girl, she would be all that
era of in high school where shewould be I'm not like other girls.
Girls and boys have less stronger thangirls. And pink is silly only to
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like she was like my age now, so like, yeah, pink is
a great color, and girls canbe whatever they want to be. Just
because a girl likes me, baggerythingand boys have just as much drama as
anybody. Again, it takes awayher growth and by I feel like people
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kind to look at her with theone sort of one dimensional point of view,
Brether being a fully developed character withan arc. I quite recently read
about this that when Louisa algot sisterLizzie died. A month after that,
her sister Anna announced that she wasgoing to get married, and then her
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younger sister may was planning to moveabroad, and Louison Mayak was like twenty
six when this happened. And thenthat's directly a little woman in the first
part when Joey's fifteen and then Macthen she realizes that Meg might be interested
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in mister Brooke. The actual reasonwhy louisam Albert felt that she was going
to be lonely when her sisters sortof move out. Then one of the
sisters, sisters dies, You know, you understand exactly why she is afraid
of change, But then in thebook it's more ambivou, small vague.
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You don't get those reasons behind thereality of things, so then you just
wonder why joe behaves like this,when in reality it was really because losing
my health. Felt that all hersisters were in a way leaving her even
though and I just moved next doorlike MACDs eventually. But it's one of
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those things that I people make.All kinds of explanations were out. Joe
hated marriage and she was fifteen.I probably hated marriage when I was fifteen.
I think a lot of the peoplefeel that way, and the teenagers,
right, I don't many of usthe team were like when I get
a high school I'm going to getmarried and have a big be right the
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way. Like I know very muchany of us really felt that way.
Like, you know, I wastalking with my friend the other day.
I was like, when you're young, you don't really have bunch of a
concept of time or age, becauseshe had like a little cousin and looked
at her like like you're old,and she's like, I'm only twenty seven.
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But like again, this this isno concept of like how quickly life
goes or age because I remember whenI was like in middle school, like,
I don't I'm twelve years old.I watched the two thousand and four
version of Fans of the Opera andI was like, oh, Emmy Rossin
is like in her twenties, butshe was like seventeen when she did the
film. But to me, I'mlooking at her like she looks so much
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more mature. But like now whenI'm like, no, I'm in my
twenties, and I go and like, oh, yeah, very clearly she's
just like a girl. But butyeah, when you're young and you don't
really have that sort of idea oflike life and these expectations or realities,
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you just don't think about any ofthose things, and you don't really know
what you want. You're just sortof trying to get through each day,
cope in neck like you're just stuckin the present. Like my friend and
I kind to a fight over thisboy, and I guess I'm just trying
to be able to defend that friendship. Or man, I really foond at
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this quiz the other day and Igotta get that great up if I,
you know, want to still participatein sports, Like you're not thinking about
the long term of on your deathbed, what would you say you would hope
to accomplish, Like, no kidat fifteen or so, we're thinking of
those kinds of things. It feelsstrained when people are like, yeah,
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well, Joe do like you didn'twant to get married. It's like she
even really know what she wanted becauseeven as a kid, you can sit
there, like at one point inmy life, I was like, I
want to be a teacher for littlekids, and like now I just go
like, oh no, that isthe last thing I really want to be.
Hon't lobby a teacher. But yourmind changes as you seem more an
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experience for her. So and Ihate when people are like, well,
Joe betrayed herself or the author reallyscrewed Joe over because they had her married.
But like people are allowed to changetheir minds. Nobody's ever in the
same as they were five years ago, and I think it's very shortsighted of
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you just kind of think, oh, well, she was like this in
high school. If there's ay aroundthat time or you know, fifteen,
she should be that way for therest of her life. Like Nope.
It makes me so sad because whenI've read Louis Albert's journals from the time
when she was an older lady andthen she enemies her sisters when they are
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married, it's just so sad.And I think it's even more sad,
but there are people who say,oh, Louis Melot marriage, like,
maybe you should do some research beforeyou say that. And it surprised me
so much that when I read Louisame Albot studies, there were people who
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said that she hated marriage. Butthen when I read these journals, I'm
like, am I the only personwho has read these? That's impossible.
So I have become very critical aboutany information that I read about usom Algot
because I've come across so many peoplewho say who say very racist things about
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Fredick's character being German, and weknow that losing my Alcaboo Germany. So
there are a lot of things thatreally contradict Louisa Alcobo research. But really
that that part about about her andenvying her sister's marriages and that they have
kids and she only has money.It doesn't make her very happy. And
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I think I read that she marriedlike fifty million dollars a year with royalties
from real woman like in modern money, she was filthy rich. And then
people are like, she hated married, or I know she did it,
she wanted to get married, Andit's so interesting the parts about lady Visniewski
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and then Henry David Terrell Howe.I think she did seriously considered marriage with
Lady's last but, like we werediscussed, he was way too immature for
her. That's that's the way lifeis sometimes. Yeah, there's communication.
I feel a little women just thinkingabout again, one of the most intimous
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scenes of women allocatients Free dricks disapprovalof little sensational stories. It's often seen
as very anti feminist and you know, very whatever. But but again,
when you when I think of itin a sort of modern perspective, free
Rick isn't saying, oh, Idon't like these stories because you know,
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I just don't like fun. Ihate fun. It's sort of the equip
someone being like, why is thereon at two o'clock in the afternoon on
a channel that a child can geta hold of a movie where you can
see full on violence and gore andsex and drugs and whatnot available for kids?
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Like, like, I don't feellike anybody ever really sees it that
way, because that is pretty muchwhat he's talking about. He's just saying
he doesn't like that there's this accessfor kids to see stuff like that.
It's kind of the same way howI feel about like when parents allow their
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kids to see certain movies that arelike rated far beyond their age, Like,
like, it's one thing if you'relike, they're ten, and if
you're like, what with my guidance, I can tell them whether or not,
you know, if we watch likea PG thirteen movie, I could
just be like, you know,you can shelter them or be like don't
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look at this, or have adiscussion effort. But now, like I
want to I worked at a schoolwhere you know, Canadian teachers said to
me, these kids don't know theiralphabets that they can tell me, you
know, about Chucky and other fador when they were like five years old
and they're watching like R rated movie. That's that's the kind of argument that
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free Richs is having, which iswhy is there no proper parental supervision being
had four kids, and what kindof lessons are there be had of just
letting, you know, just puttingstuff like that out there without teaching the
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kids like well, just you know, honey, you know, don't steal
or whatever. Like it's such ahuge detail. And I wish again,
like you said about narration, Iwish that there was a narrator that would
say, you know, you don'tknow whe he only remembered she was young
and poor in part from her mother'slum conger care, Like, like he
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knows she's needs money. She knowsthat she does. It's not because she
believes in it, but because she'sin a position where she needs, you
know, financial help. And whowas he to judge because he knows what
that's like. So yeah, IU I I wish that we got a
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version that made that a lot moreclear, even if it has to be
alright said by Fredrich say I knowwhy you do it, but don't tell
yourself short. You deserve better,like because I feel like I see the
only way people are gonna really understandthe scene because clearly they're not reading the
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book. In the twenty eighteen film, she was writing like like a fantasy
book, and he loved it.But then he also was like, you
can do it better than this,right, Like you're writing just the sort
of standard of what people expected afantasy story, but it was something that
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adds a little bit more of yourflavor in It's like, yeah, I
always I liked that that version,man, did you do that? Yeah?
And not enough foursome she was writinglike that pirate story, and then
he was like, you can dobetter than this. He's never trying to
hinder her from writing, just knewshe was better than that. In the
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June Allison one, again she outwardsstates, I know they're not any good,
but they helped pay for grocery buildand to give my dad a new
code or whoever it is a newcode and whatnot. So I again,
that's probably one of the reasons whyI have such a little bit of a
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great affection for the un also one, because there is even though the it
is sort of base off, itis obviously based off the Katherine heppern one,
and that's obviously not quite as truethe book with certain sequences, it's
still had a lot better of thesort of ideas and essence of what is
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truly there from the book I found. And I was just gonna say,
and particularly of that moment, becauseit not only does she say that about
her own writing, but he says, well, I know you're better than
that view. I wouldn't say thatyou are a good writer if I didn't
really believe it. That's definitely upthere. In one of the better versions
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of the vac scene done, soI agree, Yeah, I think it's
so interesting here and Chophrey is ashamedof her writings. And then when she
this is the Fhredic pretty exactly saysthe things that the narrator has said.
He here earlier how these stories havea bad effect on chose mental health,
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but then he know says that thesestories have bad effect on children and adults
perhaps also, so it's pretty goodat a post the narrator and how she
tells how Trophy is about her stories. Yeah, I didn't say like that.
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You know it's bad when like she'sgetting all like anxious at the idea
that it's the Lely volcano even thoughshe never had her name printed. Just
the mere idea of that being inthe house where on this crazy possible idea
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that somehow she will be found outgives her anxiety Like that's and someone who
has had bad anxiety younger, Idefinitely understand that feeling of like it's crazy,
but it could happen, someone couldfind out that I did this,
but it would be like impossible becauseI only did this to myself. This
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wasn't what I did wasn't even thatbad. Just but yeah, like that's
very again telling just how Joe reallytruly feels about her works, like for
these Weekly Volcano. At least itreminds me in the chapter course when she
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has published some of the some ofher short stories and there's the lady who
wants to give her compliments about herstories, and she's like, oh,
it's nothing, like she really minimizesher her stories because she's not proud of
them. Yeah, if you reallywere proud of you share a lot more.
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Instead, I just feels like adirty secret. She's got a key.
Thank you so much for listening.Christina and I continue our chat next
time they can make good choices.Nine
Hello, friends, and welcome tothe Little Woman Podcast. I'd just treasently
re read Little Heidi. I hadn'tread it for years. Do you guys
know that book. It tells aboutthis little Swiss girl who is an orphan
and she mostily with her grandfather,and he has this reputation of being a
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really mean man and people avoid him. In my memory, the grandfather was
really mean and didn't really care thatmuch about Heidi at first. Then I
re read the book and realized thatmy memory was completely off. Grandfather was
really sweet and kind to hide fromthe beginning, and soon after she came
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he started to be nicer to thetown folks as well. Some one lefked
me a comment and said that intheir memory, Fredick was a terrible towards
Joe in the book, but theydid not tell me had they been effected
by the movies, but they weregoing to read the book again to see
what was the truth. As youand I know, Friddick is one of
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the kindest characters in Little Woman,and he is never mean to Joe,
and Joe is not mean to him. I also realized that the relationship between
the grandfather and a little Heidi itreminded me a lot of the relationship between
Bed and the older mister Lawrence Order. Mister Lawrence is generally considered to be
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kind, but sometimes he can bevery crumpy and moody. This is because
he lost his son before he wasable to make peace with him. This
is exactly the same reason why Heidi'sgrandfather is angry. He had an argument
with his son and then his sondied before they could make amend. In
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both cases, the older man appealswith the help of a little girl.
I thought it was interesting, andI checked that Little Heidi was written only
a few decades after Little Woman.I guess that was one of those common
tropes in the books that were publishedduring this age. I always get angry
when people say that chose anger iswhat makes her special, or that chose
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anger is justified in the book,choice is not really that angry, and
she never argues with Fredick. Sheseeks his advice because she wants his help,
and he helps her to become abetter writer. I grew up with
a parent that was mentally ill andshe had lots of anger issues, and
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trust me, there is nothing aboutthat that should be glamorized or put to
a better stall. It is scary, and it doesn't matter if you are
a child or an adult, itis still scary. And now Christina and
I continue our discussion about the chapterfriend This is a Little Woman Podcast,
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how Fredick helps Joe to become thewriter she wants to be. It's interesting
how the narrator writes how hearing thesemen speaking about world where God it doesn't
exist is painful for her, butthen when begins to speak, her world
goes right again. You can seehow their values are very similar. And
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I think that's really important because Iread this study recently that the couples who
stay together the longest are really theones who have the same value system.
Like it's not sense of humor oror attraction, it's actually the values that
they share. Joey is very attractedto friedk physically, they're more connected by
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that she values his character. Likeyou said, that's why some like Joan
Laurie can be the same Like II was sort of rewriting like a sort
of modern take on Little Women andtaking that team when Joe Monthly New York
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and Marmie says, I don't thinkthat youtub work and pretty much the idea
that you know, just because you'resimilar and taste and personality, that doesn't
mean you're gonna be the best together. It's really about your morals and your
principles. That's what's you know,hold you together, because really, if
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you are with someone that is exactlylike you, I feel like you're going
to just see a lot of themore negative stuff about yourself that you don't
like, and you'll not only startto like hate that person, but you'll
like you'll hate yourself. You'll golike, oh, so this is what
people meant when they say that theyhated when I did this, and now
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I'm gonna hate that person because they'redoing that. But then I also hate
myself because I've been doing that too, And it's just this really bad cycle,
I feel. But communication is onethe biggest thing of any kind of
relationship, romantic, platonic, familial, whatever work. Communication is key.
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And if you definitely give that senseof it here with Joan Friederick rather than
Joan Laurie, because he just doesnot with this here at all. It
was funny. I was reading oneof the Henry Derick Taro biographies and there
is this mentioned how he had happyto help the servants and carry their loads.
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And I was just thinking about thatchapter in when Joe meets Fredrick for
the first time and then she seeshow he helps the servant girl to carry
the bucket of coal. So onceagain we had this connection between Fredeg and
Henry, one of those things whereyou can see how she's more attracted to
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his character more than anything else.Of course, he's like this intellectual person,
but also he's very kind and thenevident, like he's described to be
here here in the book. Ifthere was not only good but great,
like sometimes I wish like they wouldbe this The Woman adaptation where that was
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a narrator and would read these things. Three version of Peter Pan where he
did get a little bit the sortof narration that kind of ship gave some
of the more inner feelings and inher thoughts with some of the characters.
Wendy had difficulty of wanting to growup, but kind of did, and
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they helped to give a little bitmore understanding of the characters. But yeah,
it's difficult. Like I was justsaw a thing where the show Shadow
involved with the face off of thebook series as well as the Six of
Crows zoology specifically some kinds of likeI just I wish there was some sort
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of narration because I want people toknow what it is that Kaz really is
thinking, because so much of whatit said and the novel is wonderful and
so great. I can't obviously saythose things allow because the whole point is
he's hiding his feelings more and ash, but I can't say it. I
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just want the audience to know thatthere are those feelings. But so yeah,
I think we could always kind ofwant a narrator to sort of give
those little passages to kind of reallyput it in everybody's faces, like see,
like this is one from the bookinto how character really feels about it.
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It can't be interpreted in any otherway. So doc taking it and
thinking that it's this way rather thanthat way. Put it here, Jim
and reach sheltery thread there an absorbingoccupation. Well I like that. I
hadn't noticed that before, but Iremember that he was giving her Germanists and
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then he read her Tin Soldier fromAnsk Christine Anderson. But I like that
they have also read Sheila and getto get there. I don't know,
it's one of my head Kenneth's likeFreedy reading books to Joe and I've read
great too many fans fas, butlike I like that so much. Oh
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yeah, hot ice, yeah,and these guys do. I feel like
it's Cannon and he has like oneof the most soothing voices of any character.
Now, women that just listening tothe talking just feel like I don't
care what you say, just stop. It's like like when someone said,
like, you know, I canlisten to Morgan Freeman read a poem book
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and I'd be happy, like Idon't know what you're saying, just just
please. Like I feel like thatwould be Joe. Joe would just be
like, go ahead. I mean, not no German book yet, but
I'll get there, but I'll understandjust from your voice. Just go ahead.
Yeah. Somehow my Freddy all listento sound like Gabriel Burn with a
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German accent. Maybe it just wiredinto my brain somehow it is. I'm
pretty sure that's like the first versionI ever saw. I mean, it
came out the year I was born, but still I'm pretty sure that,
Like you know, my mom madesure to have me watch that. She
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hasn't seen as any versions as Ihave. To my knowledge, she hadn't
seen definitely the Katherine had her oneand the one Arrider one. I'm pretty
sure Jude Alton I had her watchThe Modern Days an eighth version, and
then we watched the Girlik version together. I'm sure she was probably like the
Masterpiece Theater version. But I guessI sort of think, what does Freaker
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look like? In my head,it is close to Gabriel Byrne, but
that's because that was like the firstone I ever saw. He is fairly
close. Like he's got that's sortof like shaky sort of Maxi dark hair
and the blue eyes, and istall and has a very soothing, calm
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presence. I think. I mean, they all the other Freeders are good.
I feel like they kind of havethat same vibe, but I think
he just hit it one of thebest. I like to watch Gabriel burn
of films. He always has hisown, like a very suiting pressence in
most of his films, even ifhe pays a villain. I think it
comes naturally to him. When Iread The Little Woman, when I imagine
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Phebec, he's like this mixtore ofMark Stanley and Gabriel Byrne and my jo
is mixed of being on a writerand Katharine hepburn Yeah, and my my
Laurie never looks like any of thefilm Lauris he has brown skin and curry
hair. Righty, where are wegonna get dark? And Laurie like,
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they come on, it's you know, twenty twenty two. Guess let's get
a dark skin and Lori, let'sget an actual German free Edric. Let's
get an actual true adaptations of itslike how we fanto Maniapa things feel about.
We have many great adaptations that wedo enjoy, but when are we
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going to get one that is actuallytrue to the text, one that is
true. It's like with enough greenGables. I was seeing many kind of
green Gables adaptations, but they arenot really that loyal to the book.
Most of them. They kind ofhave the same thing that happens with Little
Woman. They take elements from theprevious adaptations, and I think it's a
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shame. Sometimes. I joke thatwhen I retire, I make End of
gree Gables podcast. But I finishedLittle Woman first. I was going to
read that of one and start thatit is meant mentioned here because I read
this chapter earlier today when I waspreparing all this. So I'm going to
put that to my reading list,because for he was going to read her
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The Dead of Wallenstein. This islike a fan fiction material story from Schiller,
I believe. Yeah, I wouldsay. My copy of the book
has like these little up and itsays that it's a part of a trilogy
based on thirty years More and itis by Schiller, which I had never
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been beyond this. I had neverheard of it. Oh yeah, and
about Gabriel Burn, somebody left tocomment to my YouTube channel that they thought
that he looked like Henry David Tarrow. I could see that, Yeah,
you know, blue eyes. Hegave a little extreme you know, Mutton
Chance. I could see that.I know that I didn't see the show
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where I saw like a picture ofit. I know that m Dickinson,
the woman. We're kind of likethis. I hate to say parody because
I don't really think that it is. So it's sort of this sort of
somewhat modern take on Emily didn't say, but they have John Millanius and you
gave it the row and they gavehim like those like I knew right away
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who it was just because of thoselike nutting stops that you guys. I
could see that once, now thatyou said that, I could see that
with Gabriel Byrne. When I firstdid the research on Good, I thought
he looked a lot like Good.And then I want to maybe all these
men have some time for similar looks. That was some HEALTI plus attracted to.
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That's cool. I think we somewhereand are self conscious we have what
we're attracted to. Like like Ihad a exercise when I was in school,
um that I went to school fortheater and I had to do a
monologue from It's someone nic Dream,and my teachers like, all right,
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I want you to try to likepicture and him what you is attractive or
at least when what do you thinkare physically unattractive qualities? Because I think
it's was a Demetrius that I didn'tlike, and I realized I was like,
oh, yeah, I guess theydon't really like blonde blond guys.
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Because it's really in my head whenI was thinking about like who I was
my characters post in Love with Ipictured him as being more dark haired and
a little bit more less chiseled andnot so muscular. I would really pictured
like a more I guess kind ofin a way almost free Drick liked as
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a very kind phase and dark hairtype because I remember when I said,
like blond hair chiseled. I heardof her like who and I'm like,
yeah, this is uh the metriusI don't like so, but yeah,
I think that we all kind ofwriters. I had least I had to
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go from the perspective of writing myselfof you write characters in a way that
you're sort of attracted to and thepeople and in a relation of like what
certain people have affected you in yourlife. You know, if you write
a character that's good but lazy trodbecause you know you knew someone that was
one not a lazy or someone thatwas total wishy washy and whatnot to do.
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I knew kind of as a badthing because I knew someone that was
wishy washing definitely knowing that she hada crush oun Henry David grow just even
just the point of being in lovewith him, does not surprise me that
she would describe free your Again,many of her other meaning love interests be
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of that same physical traits. Haveyou read King of Clups, It's as
story. No, I haven't youshould eat that next because it has a
German love interest who has a bushybeard. I think you can read it
free online? Oh cool? Andfor anyone that wants to know, you
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can read Little Women online to projectgoober Day have a free whole on a
bridge version of Little Women online.So for anyone that wants to read it,
there you go. After the readingcame the lesson, which was a
lively one. Bridgie was in agay mood. That much nice, and
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that cos had kept your eyes dancingwith merriness. And stop that laugh,
to ask her with an air ofmoth eyes, that was irritable, irresistible,
miss March. But what do youlaugh in your master's face? Have
you no read no respect for me? That you go want so bad?
How can I be respectful? Sir? Can you forget to take your hat
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off? A joe looking his headto his hat, they have them minded?
Professor gravely felt and removed a littlecompact, but get admitted, and
then threw back his head and laughedlike a merry vast vial Ah. I
see him now. It is thatand Tina who makes me a fool of
my cat? Well it is nothingbut see you this lesson does not go
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well, YouTube shall wear him.But the lesson did not go at all
for a few minutes because mister Bearhad caught sight of a picture on the
ass. And I'm folding in thatis with an air of graps rou disgust.
I wish these papers did not comeinto the house. They are not
for children to see, nor youngpeople to read. Is not well,
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and I have no patience for thosewho make this harm. Joe glanced at
the sheet and saw a pleasing illustrationto close of a lunatic, a corpse,
a villain, and a viper.She did not like it, but
the ampost and return it over wasnot one of displeasure, but the fear,
because for a minute she fancied thatthe paper was a volcano. It
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was not, however, and herpanic subsided as she remembered that even if
it had been, and one ofher own tails was on it, there
would have been no names to tradeher. She had to trade herself,
however, by a book in ablush. For though an active minded man,
the professor saw it could feel morethan people fancy. He knew that
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Joe wrote, and had met herdown among the newspaper offices more than one,
but as she never spoke of it, he asked no questions, in
spite of a strong desire to doher work. Now it occurred to him
that she was doing what she wasashamed of home, and it troubled him.
He did not save himself. Itis none of my business. I
have no right to say anything,as many people would have done. He
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only remember that she was young andpoor, a girl far from her mother's
love and father's care, and hewas moved to help her with an impulse
as quick and natural as that whichwould pump him to put out his hands,
to stay with Gaby from a puddle. All the splash through his mind
in a minute, But now atrace of it appeared in his face,
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and by the time the paper wasturned and Joe's needles threaded, he is
read it to stay quite naturally,but very greatly. Yes, you are
right to put it from me.I do not like to think that good
young girl should see such things.There made pleasant sum, but I would
rather give my avoy gunpower to playwith than this bad trash. All may
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not be bad, only silly,you know, And if there is a
demand for it, I don't seeany harm in applay it. Many respectable
people make an honest living out ofwhat are called s stational stories that Joe
Scratching gathers so energetically at the rawof the little followed her fin. There
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is a demand for whiskey, butI think you and I do not care
to sell it. If the respectfulpeople knew what harm they did, he
would not feel the living was onit. They have no right to put
poison in the sugar plump and letthe little ones eat it. No,
they should think little and sweep mudin the streets before they do they do
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this thing. Mister bearer spoke warmlyand walked to the fire, probbling the
paper in his hands. Joe said, still looking at if the fire had
come to her, her cheeks burnedlong after that cock head had turned into
smoke and gone the harmlessly up thechimney. She's like this, She's like
much to send all the rest afterhim. Whether the professor coming back with
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a vie there, Joe thought,would have blazed her piles of papers upstairs
with me, and her hard earnedmoney weighed rather heavily on their conscience at
that minute. Then she thought becauseall made herself mine are not like that,
fair enough, they are only silly, never bad. It mightn't be
worried. And then taking up herbooks, he said, with a studio
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space, shall we go on there? I'll be very good and proper.
Now I shall hope, so hesaid, be met more than she imagined,
and the gravest kind of he gaveher and made her feel as if
the words with a volcano for practicalon a large type on the forehead.
This chapter has so many things totalk about. Yeah, I wanted to
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say for the small moment again,it's one of those things, for it's
so small but noticeable shows free Drick'sgood humor because when he says I could
definitely hear him in a very sweet, joking voice like if this lesson doesn't
know, well, you get towhere they hat like he's guys in the
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first for the listings for free.I think the twenty eighteen for it was
quite funny. Yeah, okay,pretty burn and well I think the ninety
(23:11):
thirty three was a bit too paternal. I would have written him to be
more merry. Yeah, he doeshave sense of humor, but people just
think, oh, he's this trialprofessor. People. It's like, oh,
Laurie is so funny, And mostof the things that Laurie does in
the book, they are not reallythat funny, right, I can catching
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Meg and John that's he thinks that'sfunny, but it's like that's an evasion
of privacy in such a cruel joketo play good people. Then it's the
like the part where he gives Megall this chunk that breaks, and he
thinks, oh, this is sofunny and like and I'm reading that you
can't be serious. The reaction thatI have now for that is like,
(23:59):
no, dude, do that becausehe behaves like he's a little boy and
he's supposed to be like twenty oneor something. There's some uncle schooler who
wrote that Laurie doesn't age well,and I agree so much with that,
And I think Freedick age is somuch better than Maurie because, like you
said in our last discussion, thathe is actually more of a feminist character,
(24:22):
which is quite modern for this age. I feel I always feel like
people when oh Joe doesn't want togrow up and she's more of afraid of
change even and I remember seeing someonesays, you can't be afraid of change,
even good ones, because it's stillchange. But Joe, I feel
(24:42):
like, rose up before Laurie does. He always felt like she probably let's
just say we want to. Herlowest point is during her all that time
when Meg gets married, because toher it's a change, and she's like,
I don't want Meg to go awaybecause it's a change. It means
(25:04):
I'll lose a sister to her,it feels like it's moving a sister.
And I think partially too, sheknows that, Like because she and Meg
her like a year apart, thatmeans people will expect the same thing from
her too, and she's not quiteready for it. But I feel like
that in the years, you knowthat we get since that time, she
(25:27):
does realize, Okay, you can'tobviously stop growing from growing up, and
it doesn't necessarily mean you change completely. But yeah, I always felt that
Lorie was really the last character ofanyone on The Woman to grow up,
because while Joe comes back to NewYork a little bit more mature and a
(25:51):
little bit more worldly, we couldeven say Marie is still clinging to childhood,
and she like, we can't likeit, and I and I always
felt like his proposal was a lad, last ditch attempt to try to keep
hanging on the childhood and Joe's like, you can't, we can't, and
(26:12):
it's gonna be a terrible idea.We do. Yeah, and now we
know that Laurie was based to aman, two men that were lot younger
than Moves my uncle, so itdefinitely explains that why he feels so much
more immature compared to the sisters.Even with Amy, when Laurie's in Europe,
(26:33):
he kind of I think there's amoment where it's described that he behaved
like opinion and child and Amy wasannoyed and then she lectured him. And
Laurie's like four years older than Amy. It's like he's like in between between
Meg and Joel. Just roughly,let's just say if mag seventeen and Joe's
fifteen, I think Laurie is supposedto be like sixteen like something like that,
(26:57):
because I think it was like hewas out of those party, but
Joe could it because like he wasof age and she won't, but Meg
could because she was obviously like aShe's definitely a year older than Gri that
I do remember. But yeah,I think Lorie was the last one to
really grow up, and I thinkthat has a lot to do if we
(27:22):
really want to kind of like psychoanalyzehim. Has something to do with lack
of sibling, lack of up fronts, sort of like he gets these unofficial
sisters that sort of so late pointin his life and he wants to be
able to enjoy a house that henever had, and now that his quote
unquote sisters are growing up, hedoesn't like it because he's like, I
(27:45):
just saw my family. I foundthese sister these plates place, you know,
late house and and I and Idon't want to give that up yet.
I hate when people try to sayJoe doesn't want to grow up and
net cheese, like they're kind ofright, but I hate when they make
a team like that's her reason fornot wying to get married, or like,
(28:07):
well, well she never really growsup. Like, no, she
does grow up because one she knowsthat kind of have to and two even
she kind of realizes eventually, likelike the things that she thought as a
girl, they don't have to beas a woman. Again, just kind
(28:27):
of thinking back of what we talkedabout in the last episode of Like You
and I like if Joe was amodern girl, she would be all that
era of in high school where shewould be I'm not like other girls.
Girls and boys have less stronger thangirls. And pink is silly only to
(28:49):
like she was like my age now, so like, yeah, pink is
a great color, and girls canbe whatever they want to be. Just
because a girl likes me, baggerythingand boys have just as much drama as
anybody. Again, it takes awayher growth and by I feel like people
(29:12):
kind to look at her with theone sort of one dimensional point of view,
Brether being a fully developed character withan arc. I quite recently read
about this that when Louisa algot sisterLizzie died. A month after that,
her sister Anna announced that she wasgoing to get married, and then her
(29:34):
younger sister may was planning to moveabroad, and Louison Mayak was like twenty
six when this happened. And thenthat's directly a little woman in the first
part when Joey's fifteen and then Macthen she realizes that Meg might be interested
(29:55):
in mister Brooke. The actual reasonwhy louisam Albert felt that she was going
to be lonely when her sisters sortof move out. Then one of the
sisters, sisters dies, You know, you understand exactly why she is afraid
of change, But then in thebook it's more ambivou, small vague.
(30:17):
You don't get those reasons behind thereality of things, so then you just
wonder why joe behaves like this,when in reality it was really because losing
my health. Felt that all hersisters were in a way leaving her even
though and I just moved next doorlike MACDs eventually. But it's one of
(30:38):
those things that I people make.All kinds of explanations were out. Joe
hated marriage and she was fifteen.I probably hated marriage when I was fifteen.
I think a lot of the peoplefeel that way, and the teenagers,
right, I don't many of usthe team were like when I get
a high school I'm going to getmarried and have a big be right the
(31:00):
way. Like I know very muchany of us really felt that way.
Like, you know, I wastalking with my friend the other day.
I was like, when you're young, you don't really have bunch of a
concept of time or age, becauseshe had like a little cousin and looked
at her like like you're old,and she's like, I'm only twenty seven.
(31:21):
But like again, this this isno concept of like how quickly life
goes or age because I remember whenI was like in middle school, like,
I don't I'm twelve years old.I watched the two thousand and four
version of Fans of the Opera andI was like, oh, Emmy Rossin
is like in her twenties, butshe was like seventeen when she did the
film. But to me, I'mlooking at her like she looks so much
(31:45):
more mature. But like now whenI'm like, no, I'm in my
twenties, and I go and like, oh, yeah, very clearly she's
just like a girl. But butyeah, when you're young and you don't
really have that sort of idea oflike life and these expectations or realities,
(32:10):
you just don't think about any ofthose things, and you don't really know
what you want. You're just sortof trying to get through each day,
cope in neck like you're just stuckin the present. Like my friend and
I kind to a fight over thisboy, and I guess I'm just trying
to be able to defend that friendship. Or man, I really foond at
(32:34):
this quiz the other day and Igotta get that great up if I,
you know, want to still participatein sports, Like you're not thinking about
the long term of on your deathbed, what would you say you would hope
to accomplish, Like, no kidat fifteen or so, we're thinking of
those kinds of things. It feelsstrained when people are like, yeah,
(32:55):
well, Joe do like you didn'twant to get married. It's like she
even really know what she wanted becauseeven as a kid, you can sit
there, like at one point inmy life, I was like, I
want to be a teacher for littlekids, and like now I just go
like, oh no, that isthe last thing I really want to be.
Hon't lobby a teacher. But yourmind changes as you seem more an
(33:22):
experience for her. So and Ihate when people are like, well,
Joe betrayed herself or the author reallyscrewed Joe over because they had her married.
But like people are allowed to changetheir minds. Nobody's ever in the
same as they were five years ago, and I think it's very shortsighted of
(33:44):
you just kind of think, oh, well, she was like this in
high school. If there's ay aroundthat time or you know, fifteen,
she should be that way for therest of her life. Like Nope.
It makes me so sad because whenI've read Louis Albert's journals from the time
when she was an older lady andthen she enemies her sisters when they are
(34:07):
married, it's just so sad.And I think it's even more sad,
but there are people who say,oh, Louis Melot marriage, like,
maybe you should do some research beforeyou say that. And it surprised me
so much that when I read Louisame Albot studies, there were people who
(34:29):
said that she hated marriage. Butthen when I read these journals, I'm
like, am I the only personwho has read these? That's impossible.
So I have become very critical aboutany information that I read about usom Algot
because I've come across so many peoplewho say who say very racist things about
(34:51):
Fredick's character being German, and weknow that losing my Alcaboo Germany. So
there are a lot of things thatreally contradict Louisa Alcobo research. But really
that that part about about her andenvying her sister's marriages and that they have
kids and she only has money.It doesn't make her very happy. And
(35:12):
I think I read that she marriedlike fifty million dollars a year with royalties
from real woman like in modern money, she was filthy rich. And then
people are like, she hated married, or I know she did it,
she wanted to get married, Andit's so interesting the parts about lady Visniewski
(35:32):
and then Henry David Terrell Howe.I think she did seriously considered marriage with
Lady's last but, like we werediscussed, he was way too immature for
her. That's that's the way lifeis sometimes. Yeah, there's communication.
I feel a little women just thinkingabout again, one of the most intimous
(35:57):
scenes of women allocatients Free dricks disapprovalof little sensational stories. It's often seen
as very anti feminist and you know, very whatever. But but again,
when you when I think of itin a sort of modern perspective, free
Rick isn't saying, oh, Idon't like these stories because you know,
(36:22):
I just don't like fun. Ihate fun. It's sort of the equip
someone being like, why is thereon at two o'clock in the afternoon on
a channel that a child can geta hold of a movie where you can
see full on violence and gore andsex and drugs and whatnot available for kids?
(36:45):
Like, like, I don't feellike anybody ever really sees it that
way, because that is pretty muchwhat he's talking about. He's just saying
he doesn't like that there's this accessfor kids to see stuff like that.
It's kind of the same way howI feel about like when parents allow their
(37:07):
kids to see certain movies that arelike rated far beyond their age, Like,
like, it's one thing if you'relike, they're ten, and if
you're like, what with my guidance, I can tell them whether or not,
you know, if we watch likea PG thirteen movie, I could
just be like, you know,you can shelter them or be like don't
(37:30):
look at this, or have adiscussion effort. But now, like I
want to I worked at a schoolwhere you know, Canadian teachers said to
me, these kids don't know theiralphabets that they can tell me, you
know, about Chucky and other fador when they were like five years old
and they're watching like R rated movie. That's that's the kind of argument that
(37:52):
free Richs is having, which iswhy is there no proper parental supervision being
had four kids, and what kindof lessons are there be had of just
letting, you know, just puttingstuff like that out there without teaching the
(38:12):
kids like well, just you know, honey, you know, don't steal
or whatever. Like it's such ahuge detail. And I wish again,
like you said about narration, Iwish that there was a narrator that would
say, you know, you don'tknow whe he only remembered she was young
and poor in part from her mother'slum conger care, Like, like he
(38:36):
knows she's needs money. She knowsthat she does. It's not because she
believes in it, but because she'sin a position where she needs, you
know, financial help. And whowas he to judge because he knows what
that's like. So yeah, IU I I wish that we got a
(39:01):
version that made that a lot moreclear, even if it has to be
alright said by Fredrich say I knowwhy you do it, but don't tell
yourself short. You deserve better,like because I feel like I see the
only way people are gonna really understandthe scene because clearly they're not reading the
(39:25):
book. In the twenty eighteen film, she was writing like like a fantasy
book, and he loved it.But then he also was like, you
can do it better than this,right, Like you're writing just the sort
of standard of what people expected afantasy story, but it was something that
(39:52):
adds a little bit more of yourflavor in It's like, yeah, I
always I liked that that version,man, did you do that? Yeah?
And not enough foursome she was writinglike that pirate story, and then
he was like, you can dobetter than this. He's never trying to
hinder her from writing, just knewshe was better than that. In the
(40:17):
June Allison one, again she outwardsstates, I know they're not any good,
but they helped pay for grocery buildand to give my dad a new
code or whoever it is a newcode and whatnot. So I again,
that's probably one of the reasons whyI have such a little bit of a
(40:42):
great affection for the un also one, because there is even though the it
is sort of base off, itis obviously based off the Katherine heppern one,
and that's obviously not quite as truethe book with certain sequences, it's
still had a lot better of thesort of ideas and essence of what is
(41:08):
truly there from the book I found. And I was just gonna say,
and particularly of that moment, becauseit not only does she say that about
her own writing, but he says, well, I know you're better than
that view. I wouldn't say thatyou are a good writer if I didn't
really believe it. That's definitely upthere. In one of the better versions
(41:30):
of the vac scene done, soI agree, Yeah, I think it's
so interesting here and Chophrey is ashamedof her writings. And then when she
this is the Fhredic pretty exactly saysthe things that the narrator has said.
He here earlier how these stories havea bad effect on chose mental health,
(41:52):
but then he know says that thesestories have bad effect on children and adults
perhaps also, so it's pretty goodat a post the narrator and how she
tells how Trophy is about her stories. Yeah, I didn't say like that.
(42:15):
You know it's bad when like she'sgetting all like anxious at the idea
that it's the Lely volcano even thoughshe never had her name printed. Just
the mere idea of that being inthe house where on this crazy possible idea
(42:36):
that somehow she will be found outgives her anxiety Like that's and someone who
has had bad anxiety younger, Idefinitely understand that feeling of like it's crazy,
but it could happen, someone couldfind out that I did this,
but it would be like impossible becauseI only did this to myself. This
(43:01):
wasn't what I did wasn't even thatbad. Just but yeah, like that's
very again telling just how Joe reallytruly feels about her works, like for
these Weekly Volcano. At least itreminds me in the chapter course when she
(43:22):
has published some of the some ofher short stories and there's the lady who
wants to give her compliments about herstories, and she's like, oh,
it's nothing, like she really minimizesher her stories because she's not proud of
them. Yeah, if you reallywere proud of you share a lot more.
(43:44):
Instead, I just feels like adirty secret. She's got a key.
Thank you so much for listening.Christina and I continue our chat next
time they can make good choices.Nine
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