Recapping the Window for Canada and for the USA - Soccer Today (September 28th, 2022) - Soccer Today with Kevin Laramee (covering the 2022 Qatar FIFA World Cup)

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This is Soccer Today with Dwayne Vollinsand Kevin Laramay live on the Sports
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Busy weekend or busy international week withCanada playing twice, a two nil
victory against Qatar in Austria and thena two nail defeat against Uruguay in Slovakia,

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this was a busy weekend in Canadianmen's national team land. We saw
some interesting results. We saw alsosome great play by players like Kna No
minutes for Waterman will break that downlater in the show, but overall,
if you just break down in afew different sentences, what was your thought

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on this window for Canada. Ithink my overall thoughts in a verse sinct
way would be that I I leftit coming I came away the way.
I think I intellectually knew I wasgoing to come away from it. At
the start of it, I emotionallywas hoping that I might I'll be sitting
here on top of the moon,the top of the world. I don't

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know if you'd be drop of themoon. I guess you could be both
excited by what it was, agreat performance against Uruguay, maybe win against
Uruguay. I would have been,you know, lescotic by that and thinking,
hey, maybe we can realistically challengeto not just get in the group
it. Maybe it makes some noiselike that might have been the dream.
But deep down I kind of knewwhere Canada was and I think I kind
of had that confirmed to me.And that's not a bad thing, because

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I was pretty happy with where Canadawas in their development cycle, and you
know, making this World Cup wastheir roll and they're gonna be there.
So I don't think I'm neither upnor down from this. It just kind
of happy to have watched at anintellectual level because from now on forward,
there's not going to be much intellectual, but how I watched this team,
it's it's just gonna be emotional untilthe under December, it's gonna be raw

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emotional. Let's have a look atsome of those results. Let's go chronologically
and look at Qatar versus Canada.This took place this weekend. If this
was Friday in Austria, neutral site, but this was organized by Qatar.
Katar was the home team on thisone. Cal Laren scoring early on fourth

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minute. He scored is country leadinggoal, being the best scorer in the
history of this country for now untilJonathan David, who scored the next goal,
well surpass him in the next fewyears. Jonathan David thirteenth minute scored
for Canada to make it too nil. Here a few numbers Canada sixty one
percent possession, ninety two percent passingaccuracy. Great performance by Semi piet in

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the midfield. I have to sayfor our Montreal listeners, this was I
opening. Yes, at some momentsit wasn't as easy versus Uruguay for a
few players, but against guitar,Canada looked good. Yeah, well,
yes that Canada did look good.Did they scored the two early goals,
they had a crossbar a couple oftimes. It was a pretty good performance

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top to finish. Now, youknow, I think it should be noted
that Quitar was pretty dreadful in thiswindow. They lost to the equation under
twenty three. So you know,it's not particularly much to write home about
it. Team seems to be goingbackwards. I have some thoughts on that.
Perhaps, you know, Qatar,we know that they're not necessarily well.

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They have problems there in terms ofhow they treat people, and I'm
wondering whether some of the folks thatcame in might not be treated right.
That's speculation based on the performance ofQatar now versus and in the in this
window. So Dwain is referring toTuesday September twentieth when they lost three nail
to Croatia under twenty three. Thenthey lost too nail to Canada owned September
twenty third, and then yesterday,which was the twenty seventh Qatar played against

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Chile. It was too nil forQatar and then they could see it twice.
It finished two too between Qatar andChile. So Qatar windless this window.
Yeah, a very experimental Chile.We should mention it chually of course
not qualified to the World Cup,so they're they're kind of you know,

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they're blooding into new players there.So so not a great window for the
host and we'll see how they domoving forward. We'll obviously preview them.
We talk about determined to happen wellquickly when I can say that in Qatar's
group in Group A, Ecuador andSenegal and the Netherlands will be their opponents
and they will play the first gameon November twenty. Yeah, exactly,

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and the Dutch look very good inthis window, so we'll watch that with
interest. Canada. You know,look, it was a great performance against
the team that we wanted them totake it out to them. We wanted
them to control the player, todictate the offensive attack, to not give
up any chances, and they tickedall the boxes there and they got to
what was a very solid went againstthe team that they are ranked above,
and they showed that they are betterthan it set themselves up for the game
we'll talk about next where it wasa different result obviously the merit result exactly,

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just the different teams. Just beforewe move on, which this does
apply to both game honestly, inthe selection of the team and the tactical
setup of John Herdman's Canadian men's nationalteam, a three to four one two
to start the game, information thatis not necessarily a go to for Canada.

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Over the last few years under JohnHerdman, we've seen the three five
two, if you want to callit this way, a few times.
We've seen the three person backline ora five person midfield depending on the situation
a few times. But this wasa different one with Alfonso Davies us as
a as a eighth if you wantto use it that way, or some
ten. Sometimes it's referring to butwhat did you think of John herdman tactical

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choices? They were similar for bothgames, having just a couple of changes
in between. What was your thoughton John Herdman the tactician heading into Qatar
and Uruguay game. Yeah, well, it's gonna be hard for me to
answer that question without referring to theUruguay game, because because I don't think
he made some mistakes though, orat least wasn't adjusting fast of on the
Yorgway game. In terms of Qatar. To keep it that for a moment,

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as I said a moment ago,this was a game that Canada needed
to dictate. Quartar was sitting back. They had to break them down.
They were able to do so,and I think that that's a positive thing.
Now against Hillaraguay, I think Uguaycontrolled that tactically and bluntly. I
think John Hurdman was ever managed.Uruguay wanted to neutralize Canada's greatest weapon,

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which is that sort of dynamic speed. They allowed Canada to the ball,
thinking that Canada would not be ableto break them down through movement, and
they were right. Canada didn't reallymove off the ball fast enough. Wasn't
moving the ball fast enough, weren'tgetting in positions when they were getting into
good cross positions. There wasn't alot of targets for them. If you
looked at that. There was alot of possession. We'll talk about that
a more detailed a minute, butit wasn't great possession outside of a couple

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of chances that were created off eithera giveaway I'm thinking of the Richard L.
Yamiss or what was a nice littleturn with the Jonathan David turn,
which was the best chance of thegame where he did force the big saved
there too, And the sixty thirdminute in the game against Uruguay. Yeah,
and the step exactly freaking can bethe other one, which again was
created off of a fact. SoI think in general, when the play

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was damic, when they were youknow, the runner play, Canada was
having a lot of the ball,and they were doing some good things,
they were trying some good things,but they weren't necessarily able to have that
sort of last minute adjustment to allowthem to take advantage of the assets they
haven't. And I have to putsome of the blame on Herman for Dad,
and I'm sure he does too,because he's someone who constantly watches and
thinks and reviews performances. So I'msure that he will have been reviewed that

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and will be critical of himself aswell. But I'm going to go out
and say that it wasn't his bestperformance, particularly in the first half against
Uruguay, where they really did outclass Canada in that first half. I
will fight anyone on that one.The second half we could have a conversation,
you could have a different take thanthat, that's fine, But that
first half was a masterclass on howto neutralize something that a power in another

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team and why an example one aof why having a lot of the ball
isn't always the be all end.Oh no, exactly. And when you
see Blairs like Darwine noon yas offa set pieces or aerial duels, Dominique
Kenyan Blairs with of course his size, but also is awareness in space where
he is and what he can dotowards the ball. And he got closer

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and then eventually he scored the thirtythird minute off across from Lewis Suarez and
Nicolas de la Cruze actually started thatwhole play. It was similar to a
play that happened just five minutes earlierthat led to a mischance. They saw
that this was the opening and thetelegraph to move, and nobody from Canada
adjusted Elisa Johnston whether it's a defendergetting beat on the move, but not

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the only one. It was goingquickly. Uruguay thirteenth in the world and
of course one of the powerhouse inhistory of the beautiful game. This was
a wake up call. And ofcourse, looking at some of the numbers,
fifty six percent possession for Canada,but it doesn't mean anything when the
three shots on target. One wasclear cut I would say a chance.

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The rest are just numbers because Uruguaydoesn't really care about all those numbers international
soccer, and it has a differentfeel where to stort sample size, right,
Dwayne, So the only number thatreally matters is the box score.
Yeah, I mean look in Uruguay'sthat's face box here. Per second.

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I don't want to be Wi Dowtor to completely and again I want to
reiterate that that I don't walk awayfrom this window Newt negative about Canada's stances
in the World Cup. I walkaway with them feeling the same as I
did before. To start, right, I kid didn't improve, they didn't
decrease. But other way, they'recoming at this from a different perspective.
They likely are thinking about this inthe sense of an opportunity for them to
practice something. I think in particular, after they had the two goal lead,

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you can call it score factor,you can call it a tactical decision
to work on defending. Either way, they clearly were not interested in getting
front foot in the second half,and that I believe was by a choice.
That's my theory on that. There'sno way to prove that unless you're
inside that dressing room, but itcertainly didn't look like they were much interested
in going forward. It certainly lookedlike they felt that they had the couple
goals there and that it was anopportunity for them against the departed in their

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mind to work on some defendive sideof the things which will benefit them in
a World Cup. So you can'treally look at the game purely. Now.
You mentioned the possession difference. Firstoff, I think a lot of
people, particularly if you were listeningto the commentary, would have thought that
Canada had to help a lot morethan fifty of the ball because they were,
you know, there were suggestions outthere that they were dominating or they
were taking the game to them.That's a pretty normal possession difference there.

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And then I look at the passesthus is made and there's not a big
enough gap to represent that. Right, Like, they're having balls, but
they're not really doing anything penetrative withthe passes. It's really not a great
advantage there. They're not creating anythingwith that possession in any true sense.
Now, that's not again, nota bash on them. Uruguay is a
better team the ranked where they arefor a reason. They've been in multiple

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World Cups recently, they've been deepin World Cups a recently. This is
a better team right now and Canadadid well to perform as well as they
did, but they are a bitbehind them and that is going to be
indicative. But what we're likely goingto see in Qatar, which was always
going to be the case. Ihaven't given up hope that it might be
able to pull an upset there,but this is a wake up call and
it's better to happen on September twentyseventh, twenty seven, which which I

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don't want to belabor this and makeit a formation conversation here, but I
guess I am, and this maybeis going to be a segment down the
road, the formation conversation with Kevinand as we go on a water lounge
type of feel, we're going tohave a conversation about formation four four two
is used by teams like Uruguay andit has been the new fashion trend international

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soccer. Nothing new here for fortwo has been maybe the most used formation
in history when we're looking at soccer. It was almost even present back in
the early days in the early nineteenhundreds. But Canada over the last few
months have gone with the four fourtwo and now away with the four four

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two for and more offensive and Iwould say sideline based, corridor based,
use whatever you like. The withthe wingbacks using the side of the field
a lot, but internationally speaking,teams can adjust like Uruguay did. Should

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Canada have a different relationship with howthey set up? They tried Davies in
the midfield for this one. Itwas interesting. I'm wondering what Canada needs
to do to have themselves set upmaybe a bit more solidly defensively. Yeah,

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I mean, look the second goalin particular. Unfortunately, because of
the problems when Soccer had with thefeed, we weren't able to see the
build up to the first goal,so I can't really commented on it beyond
the free kick itself, which Ihad just what it was a great way
for me to get the feedback onit other meetings, I turned out the
media was to watch the free tickling. But at any rate, when it

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came to that first goal, alloud, yeah there was Alistair Johnson was beat
but that's not his strength, rightso to have him isolated in that is
the issue there. So they needto make sure that they're covering for a
lack of air presence in that gardenas he is in Montreal. So so
something broke down there and they haveto work on when it comes to Canada

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formation wise, And first off,the caveat here being that I will never
ever present myself as an expert onformations, but I do watch a lot
of football. I would suggest thatthey need to find a way to get
their skill players moving with the ballat speed. And I don't necessarily think
that they were able to do that. And now others that are better at

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formations and more had more coaching badgesthan me might be able to figure out
way to do that. But thatI would say that in a their basic
term, if you're scatic, whichthey were, they're going to struggle to
break down those big teams. Butif they come at them with speed as
they have, as we saw himqualifying again good teams in Mexico and the
United States, Costa Rica, thenthey didn't have some So how do you

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do that? That's up to JohnHurdle, and it'll be interesting to see
how John Herdman adjusts from these twogames too. The next game Canada will
have and that is against Japan.The last friendly before the World Cup in
November. We will take a shortbreak. When we come back, we
will look again more closely as someof the other results in the international friendlies,

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some of the results even in theNations League. Guess both Belgium and
Qatar, Belgium and Morocco and alsoCroatia played last week and we will be
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on our Patreon page at patreon dotcom slash two solitudes two. The number
two two is also the number ofgoals allowed by the US men's national team
against Japan last Friday. Matt Turner, formerly of New England, now at

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Arsenal conceded two goals and the USAgot beat by the Sammuvai too nil,
and they also drew Saudi Arabia andnail mill a window with our goals for
the US men's national team. Yeah, which is your headline, But I
do think from another perspective, andobviously we have a lot of listeners that

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have different types of national allegiances beyondCanada the United States. If you're a
Japanese fan out there, you gottawalk away from that that game feeling pretty
happy because that was a really,really good performance by Japan. They they
absolutely slapped the US down in thatmean hhots on target versus none. That's
a pretty one sided performance and ifit wasn't format Turner, it could have

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been a much uglier score line thantoo nil. I think it's fair to
say I doubt there would be manyAmericans that would argue me in that point.
There's I've read the Twitter right now, there would be none. There.
There's a lot of anger in theUS circles right now. Japan was
the better team. There's not muchto say and that, But when you
look at that Saudi Arabia game andyou look at how they approached it the
Saudis. I'm saying they sat back, they defended deep, they didn't really

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look to get out and do muchtoo on the attack. But they just
the US just could not create anythingof knowing game. And before there's any
criticism, oh, the US musthave rotated and put a backup squad.
Let's look at the names that areplaying, because they were recognizable names,
Day, Christian Politic, Ricardo Peppi, Gioana, Kevin Acosta, Tyler,
Adam Weston, mckennie Sargino, deskAron long Walker, Zimmerman, Dejandre Yedlin,

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and Matt Churner. Almost all thoseplayers will have a start of the
World Cup or close to it.This was not a C lineup. This
was close to a lineup with theplayers available that they went with. No
if that was the US's lineup,I mean they played players that are going

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to play in the World Cup becausethis is not in a terminal situation here.
What look, I've always said beforeI get patter on back here for
a minute that in many ways listeningto US breakdown US games is better than
listening to US podcast because we werein Canada where we don't have an emotional
connection to the team in the sameway that Americans do. But we do
have an understanding of this team that'svery close to Americans. I'd say better

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than most Americans because I cover themloss every day, right, so we
know these players quite well. Weknow the US pool very well. If
I was an American fan, Inormally think that they're overreactive when it comes
to losses and poorer performances. Iwould say that the reaction is pretty pretty
on the nose that this one.It was a dreadful window, and it's
got to be concerning because not somuch the results, who can have bad

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windows, but the way that theyseem to regrass they went, right,
where are they going to find thegoals? Like, offensively speaking, I'll
take Canada any day, any day, it would Yeah, No, I
would take the game pool like maybethey know maybe, but the US is
much keeper. I'll take Walker Zimmerman, I'll take Aaron Long and heck,

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give me the Ada Redland, butI'm keeping the rest for Canada. Well,
I mean, yeah, you sayit, but there's a lot of
American USMMT fans out there that becausehe plays an MLAs that are going to
be upset about that. Now,I'll definitely take aaron lot of TFC next
year. But that's that's the topicfor the off season and nor MLS shows.
Um. Look, what I rememberregression though, is that if you

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remember back to Greg Borholter's earlier partof his tenure, when he first came
in, and they were trying verymuch to always play out of the back
and to play in a certain way, and and you know, diplar like
dogmatically approached games without necessarily looking forresults. First, he seemed to go
back to that and it didn't necessarilylook great. Particularly the first goal and
get the japanel out is basically mistakescoming from the back, and it's it's

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not necessarily a great site to seetwo months out of a World Cup.
Um, but you nailed, youknow, to take this down to the
to the brass tags. It reallyis the lack of a nine, which
is a problem that US fans havebeen talking about, you know, since
Josie's form started to go sideways.So it's been five years since the US

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can say they have a top tierstriker that is what how do you call
it? A A pendent player Pensyltonplayers where you know he's going to play
every single game, You're Jonathan David. There's no Jonathan David for lack of
other comparison for US men's national teamat this point. And this is a
big point of contention heading into theWorld Cup where it's not necessarily going to

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be a walk in the park,But who was your top striker? When
you look at the Pulistic, thePeppie, the Rena, all of those
three players are struggling to get playingminutes too with their top team in Europe.
Right now, we're looking at asituation where there's no clear cut number
one, number nine if you understandwhat I'm saying. Yeah, look,

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this is when you get into theconversations about Josh Sargenton and other players in
the US player pool that haven't thatare playing at a decent level, that
haven't necessarily been favored in the past, or getting her at all, maybe
getting a look. But when you'retrying to break someone in to a system
that they haven't really played in awhole lot and haven't really been part of

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this set up a whole lot thisclose to a World Cup, you're really
at dot point grass and straws right, Like, it's not great no,
and looking at the next games forthe USA because it hasn't been announced.
The other maybe upcoming, I wouldsay warm up games. So the next
game for the US is a worldcomegame. It is a Group B match
day number one against Wales, andthen they have England on November twenty fifth,

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and they finished with Iran on Novembertwenty nine. If you are Wales
and Gareth Bell, this is nota stupid, joyous Gareth Bell decided to
come to USA to play in LAFCand look at some of the some of
the defenders of the US men's nationalteam, and then on November twenty first,
out of nowhere, Gareth Bell isgonna play ninety minutes. We're gonna

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score three goals and he's gonna it'sgonna shock the it's gonna shock the US
men's national team ends. Then onNovember twenty fifth, England. That's not
an easy test. And then Iran. Iran could shock the World two.
Let's not take them too lightly.This is not going to be easy the
World Cup. There's no easy gameand also no place to hide. Yeah,

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well, Iran is going to playvery defensive. Their manager is someone
who's known for his ability to shutdown games, and we've saw it in
this window. Now, look beforeI go any further, I do want
to know that we are, ofcourse and talking about a country and a
team that is under a cloud ofdarkness right now when it comes to protests

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and sort of human rights issues there. I don't want to discount that.
But this is a football show,so to keep it on that. If
that's a tough game for the USin terms of breaking that team down,
they can't break Audio Rabie down,I think a random better team, so
that that's going to be something that'sgonna be challenging for them. I don't
know where American fans, and I'mtrying to be diplomatic in how I say

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this, there is a consensus outthere that England game that they view it
as this is an opportunity to takea scale. But part of that's just
the American bravado, which is kindof an abitable at times right of anything.
But I think there's much evidence behindit. In this case. I
agree to me, it's an opportunityto lose a big game. Yeah,
so it's going to be as anopportunity to have England have their own Boston

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teapart. Yeah, and have insertyour own civil your own revolution joke here.
Yeah, and look, we shouldnot. England did not have a
great Nations League. Now, Idon't put any stock like that mean phrase
that again to make sure I don'tput any stock in the Nations and results
in Europe right now, because it'sa weird competition in the sense that a

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big part of it took place inthat June window, which doesn't didn't matter.
But that June window does not matter. There was they were playing it
for the sake of playing that.Players didn't want to be there. I'm
not gonna put any stock in it. England look didn't look particularly good outside
of twenty minutes in this particular windoweither, so they're not exactly firing.
But they are a team that wentto a European final and to World Cup

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semifinals. Yes, they had aneasier draw in the World Cup in particular,
but there's still a better team oraccomplished team in the United States.
It would be a significant upset forthe US to get a result in that
game, which comes down to thatWelsh game. And yeah, I just
don't see the US getting this groupof storry American listens, but I don't
see Canna get it into either beforeyou come at me with it. So
there you go. This I thinkmight be when you look at these and

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you look at Mexico as well.In Costa Rica. This is a downsycle
for the contey Calf teams across theboarder other than Canada, which speaks to
why Canada won the qualifying because theywere going up in the arrestument going down.
So we'll see. I agree withyou. I am not as bullish
on Canada being in Croatia, butI am also as high, if not

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even higher, on Canada being beatingMorocco. To me, that's a very
possible. Morocco just earlier this week. Yes, it was a June window
and doesn't mean anything, but Moroccolost three nilty the US, the same
similar US team that lost to Canadain qualifying. So I do believe Canada
has got some legitimacy in thinking theycan beat Morocco. Then it becomes praying

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situation against Belgium and Croatia. Butthe Morocco game, at that point you
already know the situation, so itcould be interesting there, but got some
ways to go before this happens.And next for Canada is that Japan Friendly
in Qatar, just a couple ofdays before the beginning of their first broke
up since nineteen eighty six. Look, when it comes to the depends Japan

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Friendly, I think that's really greatthat they have that friendly book. It
does. It's going to provide ateam, having watched them play of the
US, that is not going tosit back similar to New York way,
They're not going to try and neutralizecan't. I don't believe anyway didn't trys
Canada's strengths the way that they did, and instead it's just going to go
out and work on their own stuffand play, which I think is similar
to how Belgium we'll approach the game. So it is an ideal preparation in

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my mind to go into that Belgiumgame. And is as ironic as this
is considering the rankings of the teamsin the tournament, um, I do
think the Canada has a better chanceto be in Belgium than they do Croatia.
I don't that Creatia game terrifies peoplewantly, but we'll see a Croatia's
very good and I are a darkhorse in this tournament. Again, yes
they have older players, but thoseolder players are luka moderate for God's sake.

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So that's that's be not that's that'sbe respectful of that. And then
what they've accomplished in the past.That's a good team. But Belgium is
going to play with them. AndBelgium has you know, kind of a
slow, slow footed guys at theback, and they weren't really able to
do much to you know, otherthan Kevin de Briner. They aren't always
able to do much. And look, Kevin de Bryner if you give him

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space at the top of the box, which we saw against Uruguay, like
he's going to kill you. Sohe Kenn's got to figure that out.
But you know, if they coulda couple of games, they get a
couple breaks in that one, Icould see it. I mean, they
will require a bounce and when Istay, a bounced like severe bounces,
like weird stuff we need to happen, but we're stuff happens in a World
Cup, particularly in the first gamefor teams. So that one to me
is the one you circle you gota result in that than game on if

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you get you lose that That Belgiangame you know, you really have to
re group fast. It's it's aquick turnaround too. It was like five
days between the games, so yeah, it's also a quick turnaround between when
players will stop playing in their teamand heading into the World Cup. There's
not as much time in a campand it's very quick turnaround between the club

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Recapping the Window for Canada and for the USA - Soccer Today (September 28th, 2022)

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Recapping the Window for Canada and for the USA - Soccer Today (September 28th, 2022)