Ep. 2 - Charles Moran interview and more

Interview with Charles Moran, co-chair of Trump Pride and more

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a corner, though that's this istrue figuratively. I'm good. I'm excited
about our guest. Is that's thebest thing about my morning? Oh?
Seriously? Like, so we wejust so everyone knows we bring our guests
on kind of like to just talkabout what we're gonna be talking about and
then we'll start the session of theshow. And this morning, all our

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guests had to do was say,can you guys hear me? And both
Jen and I flipped out because wewere so excited about having him on the
show. So it's gonna be reallygreat and everything else. So, Jen,
do you wanna do you want tointroduce our our wonderful guest, and
we'll we'll dive right in with him. Sure. So Charles and Ran is
a good friend of both Scott's andmine in real life, and we've done

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him for years. He was onour show originally back when the gay marriage
decision came down from Scotus to discussall of that in the work that he
had done and through log Cabin Republicansto on that issue and advocating for the
rights of LGBTQ Americans and particularly forconservatives, for people to realize that LGBTQ

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people can be conservatives and to bea voice for that community. So we've
got Charles back today and to talkabout what he's been doing since then,
which is all very very exciting,and so Scott, I'm going to turn
it back to you. Excellent.So let's let's let's talk a little bit.

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Let's talk to Charles. Hey,Charles, how are you doing?
Hey, guys, thanks for havingme on today. Fantastic. So Charles
and I have known each other forthe better part of the last more than
a decade ish, all the wayback to what to talk about A throwback
to Kamala Harris versus Steve Cooley whata what a race that was. But

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we've known each other for a whilenow and uh and have become very good
friends. And so I want tokind of bring Charles back on to catch
up with him and find out wherehe's been for the last four years and
how everything's been carrying on. Imean, I know that sound not being
on sounds right has left a massivehole in your life, Charles, But
what has it tell us more aboutwhat's been going on with you for the

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last four years? Well, youknow, UM, four years ago,
we were in the throws of anothercrazy, topsy turvy political election with Donald
Trump UM in its quixotic race.And you know, I got on board
the Trump train earlier that year intwenty sixteen, and kind of dove in.

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UM. I was the LGBT surrogatefor the Trump campaign nationally, went
to the convention, was a delegatefrom California, UM, and really he
went through what was really a spectacularopportunity, and then you know, he
won and we're like, oh,shoot, what are we going to do?
And then that just really started areally great opportunity and experience through my

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work in California and then coming backhere to Washington, DC to be able
to, you know, continue todevelop my personal relationship with this, with
the Trump family and the organization andthe campaigns, and then really figure out
what the role was for gay conservativesmoving forward into the twenty twenty election.

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In the twenty eighteen cycle in California, I signed on to do the statewide
fundraising for a man named John Cox. John ran against Gavin Newsom for governor
in twenty eighteen, and I reallyhad a great opportunity to travel the state
to really I mean I had donestatewide campaigns before. You know, Scott,
you and I both did Steve Cooley'srace, Me on the comp side,

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you on the finance side. Um, but really actually being able to
drive the fundraising operation for a stateelection was really interesting. But we I
mean, I knew what was goingto happen with that race. It was
it was you know, Gavin Newsomin California and a long relationship together I
saw, you know, we unfortunatelyseen that that year the Republicans did not

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do well and we lost a lotof seats. The Democrats absolutely out hustled
us and outstrategized us with ballot harvesting. After twenty eighteen and coming off that
that gubernatorial race, I really knewI needed to do a reset, and
I came back here to Washington,DC and started splitting my time between Los
Angeles and DC because I knew thatthere were opportunities back here to continue to

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let me grow that just didn't existin California. So with that, um,
obviously, the twenty twenty cycle wasright on, you know, the
horizon, and I, you know, knew that having watched Donald Trump and
Mike Kents really launched some major signatureinitiatives that were supportive of the LGBT community,

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that I needed to help come upwith a plan on how we were
going to introduce this version of DonaldTrump to the LGBT community and stop letting
the LGBT left, what we calledgay inc continue to define him as anti
gay and a hate monger and beingtransphobic and homophobic, because we just knew

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that simply wasn't true. And thatreally started a process of me. You
know, for those of you whodon't know, log Cabin Republicans as the
nation's oldest and largest LGBT conservative organizationfor Republicans and our straight allies who has
continued to work for inclusion within theRepublican Party and also to educate to suffected

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Democrats and Republicans that you have ahome and as seated the table in the
Republican Party, and we were reallylooking about how you were going to engage
in the twenty twenty campaign. Lockhabinmade a strategic mistake in twenty sixteen by
not endorsing the president for election,But we knew that we needed to come
up with a plan. And youknow, in consultation with my friend and

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then Ambassador Rick Ronell and other LGBTconservative leaders throughout the country, we knew
that we needed to come up witha plan because the President's work to in
the spread of HIV AIDS in tenyears, his call on the international community
to decriminalize homosexuality. Your listeners maynot know that in sixty nine countries across

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the globe you can be punished legallyfor being gay, and in nine of
those countries you can be killed.So, you know, President Trump stepping
up at the United Nations and callingupon the world to stop these you know,
heinous crimes against people just being whothey are. I mean, that's
something that Barack Obama never did,I mean, help he was sending billions

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of dollars in cash to countries tobroke, gave off the tops of buildings,
and Donald Trump put an end forthose payments and pull us out of
that student I rand here. So, I mean there was a lot for
the first time we could actually taketo the LGBT community and say, look,
it's not rhetoric, it's actually action, and we needed to build a
plan. So that's kind of whatwe did is, you know, a

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few of us sat down and actuallystarted to sketch out what would we do
if we were going to build acampaign that was going to actually have the
Republican Party, have the Trump campaignactually engage with the LGBT community. What
would that look like and how doeslog cabin Republicans facilitate that spreading of the

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message, that ground operation that isactually going to help people discover their conservative
roots and connect them with campaigns andwith resources and other people that can help
further their desire to get politically involvedand also give them the resources to push
back on the liberal group think thatwas coming out of gay inc um.

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You know, President Trump was electedas the first president who supported gay marriage
while being sworn in and campaigning,um, you know, gay the gay
left had an opportunity, and letme even back that up. The the
advocacy groups like the HRC and VictoryFund and GLAD and Glisten really had an
opportunity to engage with this president becausehe's a different kind of Republican. And

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instead of working with this new kindof Republican, they just decided to adopt
the resist mantra remember that and goodtimes? Yeah it was good, you
know. Instead, so instead ofcooperating with the most supportive president and the
Republicans have ever put forward, theyjust decided to stick their head in the
ground and put their hands in theirears and say, no, we're not

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going to try to cooperate, andyou know, or even seeing or even
seeing for the matter that matter,how much they could cooperate with him on
I mean, at least walking inwith here's what our agenda is, what
we'd like to see happen, andsee how much Trump would be on board
for at the very least that thatdidn't even occur. Not much is with
the gay community, but with everyorganization on the left, but primarily the

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gay community, they could have walkedin and handed a portfolio to Trump us
to their agenda for the next fouryears. And I'm really questioning how much
Trump wouldn't have gone, yea,let's do every bit of this well.
And the problem is that, youknow, for years they under Obama,
they had been telling us that weneeded to be gay first and Republicans second.
And the time when we turn aroundand said, okay, you need
to be gay first and be Democratssecond, they couldn't do it. Total

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double standard and they just became completeand total partisans. And you know,
and then they doubled down on it, and that's the worst part. So
we're just in a place now wherelog Cabin Republicans is really having to carry
the weight of providing the opportunities forthe LGBT community to actually engage with the

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conservative movement and with this administration.That's not to say that we're just cheerleaders
for the president all the time.Um, there are times when we've called,
you know, we've we've held himto account on things that he's done
or the administration has done that wedon't necessarily agree with. But we know
that the policies that this president andthis administration have enacted have done miles to

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help the lives of gays and lesbiansacross the country. Um, you know,
cutting back burdensome regulation helps gay businessesas well as all businesses in taxes,
puts more dollars in LGBT pot walletsas well as all Americans pockets.
So you know, again on awhole there's it's it's. President Trump has

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been a welcome support for the LGBTcommunity, and the gay left has just
you know, really done nothing butwho poo this and show that they are
just hack partisans and they don't,unfortunately, reach out and support the communities
that they are were created to support. And that's unfortunate because you know,

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organizations that provide you know, socialservice and awareness for community issues. Those
things need attention and they need thetype of resource that those organizations were there
to create be created for. Andunfortunately they've decided to be hacked partisans instead
of serving their missions. And that'sreally sad. And they lie about it

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too. Then to listen to them, President Trump and especially Vice President Pence
are going to be putting them inre education camps or somehow harassing them making
it unsafe for them. They justcompletely are untruthful about how the administration views

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the gay community and in what theirpolicies do. And even worse, it's
now we're at a place where,you know, after what we saw happen
with you know, the last electionand then even more recently since you know,
civil unrest in the country and COVIDlockdown. If you if you question
we're disagree with gay inc or theleft in general, you're just canceled.

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You're boycotted, you're canceled. Yourvoice does not matter. They will shut
you down and you are out.And that's been going on to gay conservatives
for a really long time. Andwe have countless stories of of of you
know, leaders and even just normalpeople in our community who have just had
their voices canceled and have been cutout of things or fired from their jobs

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or whatnot just because they support,you know, a different plan, political
party or have a different political ideology. And that was really the genesis of
what of our log Cabin's signature digitalprogram this year called Get Out Spoken.
We knew in this organization that therewere going to be two major components Log

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Cabin has had back to you know, putting together that plan that I was
talking about. We knew that,um, we needed to do something different.
Log Cabin is very much a chapterbased organization. We're decentralized. We
have over forty chapters and thirty threestates across the nation. And you know,
if you wanted to engage with theLaw Cabin, normally you'd have to

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live in a city that had achapter. We knew that this year,
because of the changing trends and technologyand politics, we needed to do something
nationally, and we needed to dosomething in the digital sphere. So we
created the Get Out Spoken campaign,which is our signature digital campaign and digital
initiative. That's creating cutting edge videos, that's producing super timely content. Our

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website, which is get outspoken dotcom, has dropped downs. We have
articles, we have fact sheets torefute people, you know from the lies
of the HRC and Gay Inc.Are putting out refuting what the Democrats are
putting out. This morning, Ijust saw a meme that we put out,
you know, with quotes from anyKoming Barrett, you know, talking

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about that. You know, Bergefeldhas settled law. You know, she's
never discriminates and doesn't support discrimination basedon sexual orientation or sexual preference. I
mean being able to really rapidly getout this content in a way that's accessible
to people, that share able,you know, that gives It's not about
getting me on TV more. It'sabout getting you know, our gays and

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lesbians and the community who are goingto those dinner parties and somebody's spouting off
about Donald Trump and they know thatlike what they're saying isn't true, but
they just don't know enough to beable to push back on that in a
public setting. Our materials will helpprime and educate people to be able to
actually know the truth and be ableto push back in those dinner parties and
vacation weekends in Fire Island or Lagunaand Palm Springs, or you know,

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at the gym, or in casualconversations or with family members, you know,
to be able to arm our peoplewith the information so they can go
out in their communities and spread thetruth instead of just having to sit quietly
while the lies are being disseminated.And that it's huge. It's never been
done before, and that's what we'redoing with it get Outspoken campaign. And

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that's key is having those facts.And we've been talking a lot on our
show with our guests about the topicclimate in this country and not being able
to really have conversations with people ofdifferent political beliefs without it just evolving into
chaos and anger. But what you'reputting out here with Get Outspoken gives people
those tools to calmly give a factthat hopefully can change the conversation from less

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rhetoric and more about the actual topic. But we do like seeing you on
TV more though, So if allof this helps get you on TV,
then work good with that. We'regoing to take a quick break and come
back and talk to you more aboutwhat Get Outspoken is doing in this election.
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one of the things that you weresaying Charles earlier about the cancel culture,
it really has become so terrible thisyear. And one of the I guess
silver linings, if you can saythere's a silver lining to it, is
that now that it's happening to everyone, we can understand what the gay community,
especially gay conservatives, have dealt withfor a long long time, and

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that is not being able to havea different thought than gay inc As you
referred to it, without being canceled. And now that everyone is experiencing just
how vicious that can be, perhapsthey'll have more compassion. Perhaps we can
find a way forward from that culture, because it's not sustainable in any way.

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And so I just wanted to throwthat out there. But I love
hearing about what you're doing with GetOutspoken, and I know that it's taken
a ton of work to get there. I don't think many people realize how
much work it is to get anorganization like that off the ground, or
an initiative like that, and howmuch planning. I mean, it's probably
taken months of a lot of hourseach month for you, right well,

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and you know, and we knewthat it was the most important thing that
we start with. We're also reinvestingheavily into our chapters. We're doing the
get out the Boat plan. I'vegot field people in the eight target states,
you know, helping connect to ourmembers and again other disaffected Democrats and

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liberals who want an option and wantto be able to connect with conservative causes.
So I have people on the groundand I'm running a traditional program,
but then having get active. Youknow, this whole thing happens, you
know, largely because we had wereable to raise the money, but we
couldn't have done it unless we actuallyhad a presidential candidate in Donald Trump and
a campaign that was willing to actuallygive us, give us a chance,

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and give us the opportunity to actuallydo something like this. And in tandem
too with what we're doing at logcabin and Republicans with Get Out Spoken in
our field program. A lot ofpeople don't realize, you know, Trump
the Trump campaign actually has its ownLGBT coalition. It's called Trump Pride,
and Trump Pride is the first LGBTcoalition which is right up there with Women

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for Trump, Vets for Trump,Black Black Voices, for Trump, Jewish
Voices for Trump Trump Pride is rightup there with those coalitions. And this
is the first time a Republican presidentialcampaign has actually ever had an officially recognized
LGBT coalition. First time. Iwas going to bring that up because you're
on that advisory board, correct.I am on that advisory board. I'm

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a co chair of the advisory boardalong with Rick Ronnell, Bill White,
and and Jill Holman, who's thevice chair of Law Cabin Republicans. We've
got fifteen other coalition advisory board members, a lot of names, you know,
and it's you know, again,just LGBT leaders who are supportive of

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the president, who are working totake the message from the campaign. It's
the campaigns if the campaign's coalition.I'm super excited tonight we are going to
m This is October thirteenth. Weare going to Philadelphia to to actually do
our first Trump Pride rally, andat that event will be Laura Trump and

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Rick Roel. So I'm super excitedthat I'll be able to give a few
comments before them. And I reallywant to talk again about this the historic
nature of this um again never notonly not ever having a coalition in the
past, but having it this timeand then also with the family going around
and doing these these rallies and theseround tables. We're doing again in target

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states. We're doing Philly, We'rein Phoenix tomorrow, We're gonna be doing
Tampa later this week. Um,and we've got one still up in the
air for Charlotte. So um,you know, doing these types of things
where we're pulling together the leaders,the names, you know. Um,
these are these are really really visibleways that the campaign and the administration can
show its commitment to the LGBT communityand that we're gonna that this Republican Party

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and this presidential campaign is going togo fight to earn the votes of gay
and lesbian voters and not just giveit take it as a default, or
take it for granted like the Democratsare doing well. I what did The
thing that I find interesting most aboutthis, Charles, is the way that
that it's it's about action. It'sabout the the the documented action that the

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president has taken uh for gay voicesaround the world. Uh. And and
just as simply communicating that those thingshave occurred under a Republican presidency. You
know that these things have happened.Uh, And I, like I said,
to be able to go out thereand try to tell this to people
when they're again just not listening ornot interested in the truth or reality for

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that matter. Uh. And theywant to believe that Trump somehow hates you
know, hate escape people, orwants to eliminate them or whatever the situation
is that they may be may bebelieving. And so, uh, can
you touch a little bit about howyou may overcome if if if for the
straight allies you have, like obviouslyJen and I, how we might be

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able to overcome some of this falsenarrative out there. What we may be
able to tell, say to ourour friends on the left who may believe
that Trump and Pens hate gay people. Well, and that's actually part of
what you know, our Get OutSpoken digital campaign is there for, is
for it to be a resource guidefor our straight allies as well. Um,

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you know, there's too many peopleout there who really believe that you
know, Trump is you know,banning trans people from the military. That's
not true. Not a single personhas been discharged for the from the military
for being transgender. And it's arestriction on when you can enlist it's it's
it's a boundary, it's not anexclusion. Um. You know, to

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be able to know that the Presidentis firmly supportive of eliminating the spread of
HIV AIDS in ten years and isputting serious money and attention behind that initiative.
Um, it's just there's so muchmistruth out there about you know,
that Trump doesn't like gay people ordoesn't like trans people, and that's just
that's just not true. So foryou to have the actual information and a

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resource for people to send people placesas huge and our means, you know,
our our content, our videos thatwe're putting out there addresses LGBT issues,
but the target audience is not exclusivelyLGBT. If you're looking to support
Donald Trump and you're you know,looking forward to us reassure yourself or reassure

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other people that he's not this awfulhuman being, our content shows the real
truth and the support of Donald Trumpfor the community. So you know,
we've discovered actually a huge secondary audiencefor our our digital comment happens to be
Midwestern housewives. You know, womenwho have a gay son or a gay
brother, or a gay hairstylist ora gay best friend or a lesbian sister.

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You know, we or having tohave somebody in their circle they work
with might be trance, you know, letting you know who are skittish about
voting and supporting President Trump because theyhave somebody who's so personally involved in their
life for them to actually be ableto consume this content and say, oh,
I can vote for President Trump andnot feel like I'm betraying my gay

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best friend or my gay brother ormy lesbian coworker. Like, that's huge.
You know that that's a huge targetaudience for you know that we need
to be working to to talk toor you know, get middle aged women.
Um. So we're finding that ourour direct target audience are LGBT individuals.

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Um. But this secondary audience ismassively it's massively consuming our content and
it's it's middle aged women. Um. So we're having an impact there.
So that's I say, how Ican I would suggest, you know,
our straight allies help us. It'sjust make sure that our content is getting
out in your networks. It doesn'tdoesn't clearly doesn't make you gay, but
it shows um he doesn't or isafraid I was going to catch the gay?

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Did you see Donald Trump last nightand he is ray running around and
saying I'm gonna kiss everyone men andwomen. Hilarious because then and then in
dancing, oh and Don Junior tweetsout that clip and then you know CC's
log Cabin Republicans and puts our tagin there. So I'm like, oh
my god, here we go.So, you know, sometimes you get

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the moment, and we got it, so and and and to that point,
you know, we're working really hardto reach out and convene people who
are like minded, and again,knowing that so much of our work is
being is taken digitally. This lastweekend we had our first digital influencers convening.
It was called Outspoken Pride, andwe did it in Nashville, and
it was an amazing weekend where wecould pull together a lot of the heads

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of our welcome me Back that up, bring together the heads of organizations and
movement leaders in the conservative community whohappened to be gay, people like Brandon
Strock from the Walkaway Movement. Imean, clearly one of the biggest leaders
on the conservat right now happens tobe gay. We invited Andre Soriano,

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who you know of the fame ofmaking those beautiful MAGA addresses. Mikey Harlowe
from the right, Rob Smith,everybody the America's favorite black gay conservative and
veteran you know, people who wholead these different large groups. Chat with
Moore, who's a you know,somebody big on Tucker and on Fox News,
one of the top gays there.I mean, these people who have

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large followings. We were able tobring them all together under the log cabin
and get outspoken banner and actually starttalking about how we need to be working
together as a community and moving togetherforward, singing from that same sheet of
music, and it was super helpful. It was actually a super treat.
Vice President Pence and Karen Pence actuallycalled in to speak to our core group

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on Friday afternoon, and later inthe evening we were actually able to speak
with President Trump himself. So Ithink it's amazing. I mean, this
is this is how seriously the Vicepresident and the President are taking our community
that they're you know this again,first time ever that we've had something like
this happened, having the influencers andthe conveners coming all together, but then

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also actually hearing from the President andthe Vice President himself reassert their commitment to
our community to the agenda of theadministration, continuing that work that's supportive with
the administer with our community, andthanking us for their support and giving us,
you know, the kudos that weneed to be able to go out
to the community and say, like, hey, the president the Vice president

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on board with who we are,with what we're doing, and are going
to continue to support us. Thatwas huge, I mean, that was
really big. So so from apersonal note, I've obviously followed campaigns for
quite a long time, and thisis probably the most organized I've ever seen
any campaign left or right on thegay front. I understand that there are
liberal organizations that have supported liberal presidents, but the organizations existed prior to the

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presidential campaign. It was tapping intoan existing resource. This is the most
organized I've seen from a campaign itselffor gay for gay voters, uh,
that I've ever seen. I mean, we another friend of the show,
Chris Barron, obviously one of youradvisory board members over Pride Trump Pride h

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has been a long outspoken voice forthe gay community in it on the right,
and to see that that you andRick Grinnell and Chris and all these
people that we've known for years areall kind of on this big united front
on this push. But what Iwhat I appreciate about more than anything,
is that you highlight the people thathappened to be gay as opposed to being

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gay is their core identity. Uh. And what I mean by that is
you don't there's been previous times wherewhere campaigns have put out someone out and
like, hey, look are gaybeen gay is here to to be on
our campaign Versus here's someone who's gotthis great idea and this great thing to
say, who also happens to begay. And and it's it's normalizing,

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it's it's it's legitimizing the movement.It's in a way that I've never seen
it before. It's not some tokenaspect of you know, well we've got
a gay gay coalition. It isa legitimate, uh, forwarding of the
of the agenda. It's a legitimateforwarding of of rights of recognition that I

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have never not seen from a campaignever. And it's something you should be
proud of. Truly, we're reallyhappy with, you know again, in
society has moved forward. I meanand Lock Cabin Republicans is the only organization.
UM, you know that has eversuccessfully existed that's been able to keep
you know, a group of LGBTconservatives together. UM. I'm super proud

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to serve on the board of thisorganization and for us to be able to
get involved. I mean, wewe endorse President Trump for reelection in August
of last year. We got onboard very early because we knew that this
president had earned our support. UM. So as an organization, you know,
we've been ready and setting the groundworkto be able to help engage with

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this campaign. UM. You knowthere the campaign is going gangbusters. I've
got so much respect for the operationthat Brad Parscal and now build STEPPI and
run. Um. You know,the President Trump had the leadership that he's
brought to it. You know,I've been going over to Trump campaign headquarters,
you know, for mid last yearuntil you know, post COVID shutdown.

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You know, we I've seen thembuild a battleship over there. UM.
I have a lot of confidence inwhat we're doing. And I could
not tell you how supportive the staffis. I mean, there are so
many gay staffers that are working onthe campaign. UM, you know,
in all different areas over at theRNC on the campaign, it's out in
the field. We have allies everywherethroughout this campaign. The Left will continue

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to demonize and vilify us, butyou know, I know that there's so
much diversity going on, and I'msuper super excited about what we're going to
do, and I believe that we'regoing to see a major uptick of people
voting for Donald Trump in this election. There was some polling, informal polling

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that has been done by a gaydating app called Hornet, and I think
it's important something percent of their memberswere going to vote for Donald Trump.
And of course Newsweek wrote a storyabout that which then went viral, which
was really interesting. I think itprompted There was another poll done app shortly
after that by Glad, which I'msure they spent a low six figure amount

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of money basically trying to refute that. Because the Left is realizing that they're
losing their grip on the gay vote, they just can't they can't continue to
demonize Republicans as these evil people whenyou know, the Republican Republican appointees the
Spreum Court have been the authors ofevery major LGBT decision in support of the
community, you know, in thelast fifteen years. Um, you know,

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you can't continue to use the sameold, sad talking points that we're
a bunch of sellouts, that we'reself hating, you know, when when
you know Dick Cheney is the firstperson in the White House whoever voiced to
support for marriage equality, or thatDonald Trump is the first president ever to
run a Republican to you know,run and get elected supporting marriage equality.
I mean, they there's not alot of tropes left for them to drag

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out, and they're trying, They'redesperately trying. But you know, I've
got low seven figures worth of adspend going out to push back on them.
I clearly can't take on the fullspending power of Gay Inc. But
I've got enough to actually make themput you know, to put them on
the defense. And that's you know, and that's what we're doing exactly.

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And the other thing that the otherperson I guess, particularly from the administration,
that the Left tries to cancel orpooh pooh is former Ambassador Rick Grennell.
And I think it's interesting because theycannot get over They always have to
bring up or someone has to bringup oh, and he's gay, and

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not just oh, he's freaking amazingat what he does, and he is,
he's he was so successful in hisambassadorship and as acting Director of National
Intelligence, and they just cannot arguewith him because he destroys them in every
debate, yeah, about any topic. And yeah, they just they can't.

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They can't handle the fact that PresidentTrump was the first person to put
a gay man on the on thecabinet. And it wasn't quote the gay
seat, it was the seat thatRick turned and exactly. And Rick tells
his great story about you know,under democratic administrations, there's like, you
know, there's the power players who'sall sit at the table, and then

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there's like the gay table, likedown the hall, and then you know,
every once in a while they'll takesomething down and get like the gay
check off and send off sign off. But with Donald Trump, like there
was a gay man at the tableand he earned it. And he's really
really good at what he does.I mean, as d and I an
ambassador to to UM Germany, Imean been a good friend and mentor of

(35:29):
mine for over a decade. Iwent to Berlin several times. I was,
you know, here to to seehim and have ridden along with him
in a lot of these cases throughhis amazing contribute, his amazing story,
and his immense contribution to America asa diplomat and as a member of the
intelligence community. And um, youknow, the Democrats are angry that they

(35:52):
never got anybody like that in anykind of consequential position. Um. And
there they will be the first totry to to ignore and cancel him.
Um, to ignore the contributions he'smade. And it's beyond just being a
gay man and having that visibility.But because of what he's done for our

(36:12):
country. Um, they can't standit. They can't stand that he declassified
the information that showed, you know, the Russia hoax was completely made up
and unfounded and was a political agendabeing run by the Obama administration, you
know, and that and it doesn'tmatter that he's gay. He I mean,
he exposed it, but what itwas. And he's not done.

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Um, I love it. Hejust hits back that everything. It's like
he's so it seems like he's socalm and surgical about his replies to the
left that they just they get sospun up trying to cancel him. And
he just calmly slices and dices.Yeah, I mean, you know,
him on Twitter is a real dangerousthing. And he he just doesn't even
here for it. Yeah. Andit's you know, and it's and and

(36:55):
he and also just his ability toreally call out the mainstream media's narrative.
I mean, they will literally doeverything possible to paint the president in an
awful light. And you know,I've worked in communications for a long time.
I've you know, I try tomaintain a good relationship with the media.
But even even you know, Iwas doing CNN International once or twice

(37:15):
a week for the better part oftwo years, being a punching back,
and I'm just sitting there watching what'sgoing on in the mainstream media. I
mean, they don't even try toeven have a bias of them, not
you know, taking the sides.They are so biased and there is such
an agenda in the mainstream media.I mean, it really is amazing.

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You know. One of my Unicornhopes and dreams is that Rick would take
over the California GOP and rehabilitate it, but he's probably too big for that
now. It's you know, we'vegot a lot of challenges in California.
And you know, I'm still aCalifornia voters, still a California residence.

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I don't know what the solution isfor California. Um, you know,
I was hoping, you know,just the blackouts, the you know,
the sky high taxes, you know, and I struggle giving people advice of
get the hell out of California versusstay and fight. Um, I just
don't know what the right, whatthe prescription is to get people in California

(38:22):
to understand it. It might justbe because the state's too big and there's
too many people, and your peoplejust aren't invested in their community success and
figuring out a way to get peoplerealizing that you've got to reinvest in your
community and you've got to take chargeof your life, you know. And
a lot of that. We havea problem with our public education system being

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basically a you know, union focused, you know, socialist democrat training camp.
I mean the brainwashing of generations ofpeople coming out of the University of
California system. Um. You know, there are some whole scale systeological changes
that we need to make, notjust to the country, but also specifically

(39:04):
to California, and California is thetip of the spear. We've got to
do something to change that, becauseif we don't, we're gonna we're gonna
lose it. Yeah, and thenthe rest of the country will go the
same way. We all know thatare good or bad, the things that
start in California usually go national.Well, it was so great catching up
with you, Charles, and Iknow that you have a ragged however many

(39:25):
days it is until election day youprobably know exactly how many days, and
we're just so grateful that you madetime to talk to us. And this
is such an important conversation for everyoneto be aware of with Get Outspoken and
what the log Cabin Republicans are doing. So can you tell people more,
remind them where they can find youand more information on get Outspoken? Sure,

(39:46):
visit our website to get outspoken dotcom or log Cabin goop dot org
and those are the places where youcan find the information and and really dial
in so that you can arm yourselfand equip yourself with the truth about what
this administration in this campaign is doingto support the LGBT community. Absolutely,

(40:09):
and again we can't voice our thanksenough to you, Charles. I know
you're extremely busy right now. Andbeyond being a great guest, you're a
good friend to take the time tocome on and support our show as well,
and we greatly greatly appreciate it andwe hope to have you back real
soon again. Where else can theyfind you? Specifically, like you drop

(40:32):
your Twitter on there? Tell uswhere where we can find you? Yeah,
my Twitter is in my Instagram.We're both the same. It's Charles
T. Isn't Thomas Moran Amazon MaryO r A N on both Twitter and
Instagram. So Charles T. Moranum and you can kind of see stay
up to date with all my crazytravels and life on the campaign trail.

(40:53):
I've got us. I just finisheda swing in New York and Nashville,
back in DC for a day,heading off to Filly this afternoon in Phoenix
and then swinging Florida next or laterthis weekend the weekend, so check it
out. We'll definitely we'll definitely befollowing you, buddy and scene where you
end up. So again, thanksso much, and we want again thank

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our guest Charles Moran for joining usfor the first two segments of the show.
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Right with Jenn and Scott the FCBRadio Network. Welcome back to Sounds Right

(42:08):
with Jen and Scott. Wow,what a great first couples h segments of
the show. Jen, I mean, Charles is so amazing. He is,
and like you mentioned at the beginning, as soon as he heard his
voice, just the first word hesaid, I was ah, because we're
we've been friends with him forever.But when you work on the way that

(42:29):
Charles has been the last four years, he's been out in and out of
California, and I don't think I'veactually spoken to him in a long time.
Yeah, I've I've tweeted him ortexted him or like you know,
that sort of thing over the lastbut I haven't had a conversation on the
phone with Charles in months at leastsix or eight, probably pre Corona,
So you know, he he's abusy, busy dude. And again when

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he just was like can you hearme, we both would like, oh
we can. Oh who said everythingelse? So no, it was it
was really great to be able totalk to him and uh and and kind
of catch up. And again himbeing so close with Rick Ronnell and knowing,
uh, you knowing the inside workingsof the man and how the man,

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you know, being able to bethat close to quote unquote greatness,
I guess if you will. I'vebeen actually, uh quoting Rick Ronnelle a
lot in my pieces regarding ballot harvestingand ballot ballot issues in California, and
Rick has been out there on thefront lines pointing out like, hey,
here's a guy whose parents have beendead for ten years and both of them

(43:37):
got ballots. Is that a problem? Uh? And so it's just very
cool to to, uh, tosee this guy who's so engaged in the
day to day stuff on a campaign. The day to day what you think
is minutia, but is is soimportant to bring out and point out and
identify uh in in in ballot andoperations in California, and you're you were

(44:04):
kind of at the forefront of thisballot harvesting ish issue with some get out
of the vote stuff and your stampprogram that you did back in the day
to help Republican get elected in astate Senate district that was overwhelmingly Democrat and
after that. So at the timeyou did that, just give like a

(44:27):
thumbnail of what that stamp program was. So the stamp program in twenty thirteen
was the our way of getting Republicansto return ballots. So we would send
walkers two doors to knock to say, hey, you have a ballot here,
I've got a stamp because back thenthey didn't provide postage paid on return
for the ballots, so you hadto put a stamp on them. So

(44:50):
we would go by and say,hey, go ahead and you know,
finish your ballot. We'll put astamp on it. We never took possession
of it because take possession of theballot at the time in twenty thirteen was
illegal. You couldn't take possession ofthe ballot. Dems were doing it by
the droves. We had areas inthis particular race where fifteen hundred ballots were

(45:14):
dropped off to a single location byone person, and yet we can't invalidate
those ballots because they allegedly would havedenied a voter or their right to their
vote. But it was occurring quitedrastically, and so we came up with
our way of fighting back, whichwas fully in the grounds of the law,

(45:35):
fully illegal. Nothing was illegal aboutit. We never took possession of
a ballot, We never did anything. All we did was get voters to
fill it out on the promise ofwhatever it was at the time, thirty
two cent stamp. You know,hey, go ahead and fill out your
ballot and we'll provide you the stampto send it back. And you have
no idea. We must have convertedseven or ten thousand votes from people who

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are one of five two oh five. That means that they've only voted one
or two of five of the lastof the last five elections, one or
two of five voters that normally wouldn'thave voted, that weren't on the radar,
that weren't expected to be the votersit would end up winning us at
that race. So it's very interestingto see now the efforts put out by

(46:20):
the California GOP, which I'm surewe're about to talk about, well,
I mean before we go there.It's interesting. It's almost like they had
to pass that law. The Democratshad to pass our ballot harvesting law so
that what they were doing illegally wasnow legal. The Democrats are always about
moving the goalposts. I mean,that's just essentially what it's always about.
It's always about, well, I'mlosing, so let me change the rules

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so i don't lose anymore, right, And which is exactly what they're doing
currently. Right. So, intwenty sixteen, they had such a horrible
year and a lot of people gotelected that they thought weren't going to get
elected, and so they decided intwenty seventeen to pass the law that would
allow for twenty sixteen. Twenty seventeen, they passed the law that would allow
for ballot harvesting in the state ofCalifornia. And it was written by our

(47:07):
lovely friend Lorena Gonzales Fletcher. Right, Oh, such a wonderful person.
Yes, bless her heart, Yes, bless her heart. Uh, you
know, she's she's a peach.But anyway, no, that these these
laws, these laws they pass arealways about moving the goalposts because well,

(47:30):
we're gonna we lost. So uh. Most recently there's been some talk on
the California GOP and on their ballotharvesting operation. They put out, um
and Jen, do you want tokind of fill people in on what's going
on with that? Sure? Sowhat they did was put some ballot collection
boxes. And I like how JohnMeyers from the La Times what he termed

(47:52):
them. He termed them private dropboxes. I think that was a masterful
way of putting it throughout the state. In the letter that the Secretary of
State ended up sending to California GOOP, they only noted locations in Fresno County,
Orange County, in La County.I know that there was a location

(48:15):
here in Ventura County where I liveat a local Catholic church. So to
collect ballots for a place a pandemicfriendly ballot harvesting operation, so put it.
They were put it places like churchesmostly, or where people of conservative
bent might be, like a gunshop. Someone else mentioned that there might

(48:37):
have been wanted a country club.I'm not sure about that, but yes,
that playing into some stereotypes, rightright, where they put their ballot,
and then every day they're supposed tobe taken out every day, and
within according to the law, withinthree days, they're supposed to be delivered

(48:59):
to to the county registrar to beprocessed. I don't know if they actually
will invalidate a ballot if it's not, because all of these election rules are
supposed to be construed liberally in favorof the voter and not disenfranchising them to
that. Okay, So once theseDemocrats found out about these ballot boxes,

(49:21):
they started calling them illegal. AndI don't know if you caught Todd Spitzer
on the news, he's the OrangeCounty DA, but he was saying it
was a felony to act like youhad the authority to receive a vote when
you don't, and that they couldspend four years in prison. And I
didn't see where anyone was claiming authoritythey didn't have. But it's all really

(49:45):
stupid. So the Dems are sentout a cease and assist letter to the
California GOP and three county parties tellingthem they have until October fifteenth to turn
over those ballots, and the Secretaryof State's office is going to contact every
single one of those voters make surethat they wanted to vote and that that's
their legitimate ballot. Now, ifthey did that with every mail ballot that

(50:07):
came in, I wouldn't have aproblem with it. But they're selectively putting
more scrutiny on these ballots than theyare any other. And in conjunction with
that, on September twenty eighth,the Secretary of State's office issued fourteen emergency
regulations regarding this election, citing GavinNewsom's executive orders as their legal authority that

(50:31):
do things to severely weaken ballot security. One of the things they did in
that is they made it legal wheresay you have one ballot return envelope and
they're all bar coded. That's oneof the things they say is going to
make sure that we people are returningthe right ballot. You have one envelope
like that, you could mark upyour stample ballot and put it in there.

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If you didn't even have your stamplebellot, you could just write on
a note card who you want tovote for, sign your name, put
it in there, and you canhave multiple like two or more. There's
not even a limit ballots slash,sample ballots marked up slash note cards marked
up in one envelope. As longas every voter signs the outside of the
envelope, it's going to look likea freaking yearbook. And then how do

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you know that the person that isthen given the envelope they're supposed to sign
it that I took this and turnedit in? Are they signing that every
single one of those people gave thatone person authority? Who knows? And
the best part about these regulations isthey they were I'm just laughing, group

(51:36):
ballots. Everyone sign your name tothis ballot. It's just everyone's going to
vote the same way, Like whatthe crap? Like, I just well,
I mean they do have to haveseparate note cards for it, but
I mean, who's to say they'renot just all sitting there together the Insane
Asylum writing it out. And theyput these regulations regulations on the website,

(51:59):
right on the website on September twentyfifth, and there's a five day comment
period. They put them on theirSeptember twenty fifth, and the regulations were
to take place on the twenty eighth, so you couldn't even comment. It
was already outside the period so it'sit's nuts, so you know. And
then Lorena Gonzalez of course was decryingall this of her yet last night,

(52:22):
which I thought was just hilarious becauseevery single bill she writes needs multiple cleanup
bills to make it more clear,because the woman cannot write a clear bill,
and the fact that she didn't seethis coming when she wrote the bill
is pretty funny. And especially she'ssaying, well, no one person has
to choose one person to do this, you can't. How can they just

(52:44):
all drop something in a box.And then you know what I found last
night stories about Democrat ballot parties fromthis primary sponsored by the Union where in
Orange County where they would go andhave get in duction on candidates and information
about candidates, and then given aplace to leave their ballot. How is

(53:07):
that different? Right? Anyway?I ranted a little on that's that's been
my head the last three days researchingthese stories. It's absolutely hilarious that they
completely moan about the fact that bemoanthe fact that there's only one ballot drop
off location in Harris County, Texas. But yet the GOP comes with a

(53:28):
way of making sure that ballots arecounted. People drop them off and they
are taken to They the left couldhave trolled completely trolled Republicans in dropping off
all of their ballots there, andso the Republicans are actually delivering Democrat ballots
to the county. That sort ofthing is it would have been a would
have been a funny response or whateversituations that. But they bemoan the fact

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there's one ballot drop off location inHarris County, Texas. But when it
comes to the GOP providing additional dropballot dropped offs by the way, that
they have no proof of any malfeasanceat this point. No, we not
even an accusation of malfeasance, justthat they're collecting ballots. Oh, they're
they're heavily insinuating malfeasance because they becausethey know they're put at places where conservatives

(54:15):
are likely going to be and theydon't like people going to church anyway.
I mean, how the Catholic churchhere in my town is packed all the
time, and their school is openbecause they're a private school and they opened
so there's parents going there every day. How convenient is it for them?
Oh I'm going to pick up mykid anyway. Oh, I'm going to
church and we just drop my ballot. And the Catholic Church are actually had

(54:37):
sent out an email to their parshonersthat they the ballot box was there.
Yeah, they just they don't wantthat. This is how insane they are.
That you have John Meyers from theLA Times, who I actually tweeted
him thanking him for his coverage becausehe was pretty even handed about this there

(54:57):
because the Secretary of State and JavierPisera, the Atorney General, are so
ridiculous that he called out their doublestandards, he said from the Q and
A that they did for the pressconference. But Sarah's reasons for why private
drop boxes are bad equals the samecritique of damn ballot collection opts. And
Sarah said, we have no ideawho collects it, We have no idea
if it's tampered with, We haveno idea even if it's returned. And

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I was like, helleu, yeah, and I read that, and he
even said they're they're not out allegingany email feasance right again, just it
just the fact that Republicans have anedge. So when anyone at this point
right now is what what we've suggestedor what we've talked about. Is like
they keep saying, well, it'sillegal, it's illegalis illegal, And I

(55:44):
keep saying, point to the lawthat specifically states that they can't have this
type of operation, like give mea location, give me a code section
that you can suggest this because theCalifornia ballot harvesting law that was passed in
the last several years allows for thatballots can be returned without the assigning of

(56:05):
a um of a proxy to youknow, a POxy delivery. Uh,
you don't have to fill that sectionalityany longer. So I could drop off
a thousand ballots to a county dropbox, and that's perfectly legal. But
if I take a thousand ballots,drop them in another ballot box, and
then take those ballots from that ballotbox to a county ballot box, that's

(56:29):
illegal. It does there's there's nothere's no evidence that it's being illegal.
It's just absolute garbage. Uh tosuggest that. Well, And and then
I want to make clear that neitherof us are endorsing the idea that people
should be able to just go takeanyone's ballot and delivered or not. But

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what this is doing is pointing outthe lunacy of our ballot harvesting law and
how it does not lead in anyway to a safe, secure election.
And Padia and Bassara just flat outledyesterday. They said what they are citing
as their legal justification for saying thisas illegal as saying that voters must know
who specifically is returning their ballot andthat any individual returning a ballot on behalf

(57:15):
of a voter must provide their name, signature, and relation to the voter
on the return envelope. Well,yeah, there's a section for that,
but like you said, it's ifno one falls it out, they're not
going to throw out the ballot.So that's misleading what Padia is saying right
there, and it's not going tobe disqualified. So I could get on
board for invalidating any ballot that isreturned without that section filled out. Well,

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even if it's filled out, itdoesn't matter. You could put Mickey
Mouse on there, you could putMarilyn Monroe because under for a story I
did at the end of last yearabout ballot harvesting, I had looked at
the LA County procedures for receiving theseballots. So say you walk in with
twenty five ballots to a precinct officeor polling station whatever. They cannot ask

(58:04):
you for your ID or to provethat you are who the name you signed
on there. So there's no chainof custody, which Loreno is tweeting about
this. No, we have it'simportant that we have to have the chain
of custody. No, it's notokay, No, you you literally did
away with anything that would prove achain of custody, right. I mean,
she's a lawyer and she doesn't evenunderstand what the freaking term means.

(58:29):
Right. The fact that the factthat okay, and again that's what I'm
going back to, is like,if we're going to invalidate any ballots that
are dropped these ballot boxes, theseGOP ballot boxes, if that's what the
goal is here, then why arewe not invalidating every ballot that comes back
that isn't mailed directly from the fromthe voter one and two that that uh,

(58:53):
that that comes from someone else whoisn't the voter. I mean to
me, that's that's open shut fairness. If we're gonna ban it on one
front, we should band it onthe other. But of course they're not
talking about that that's not the endgame, right, And they don't want it
to be safe and secure because thenthey can't do their shenanigans, right.

(59:15):
You know, it's it's what theDemocrats are mad about. It's not the
GOP is collecting ballots. They're madthat the GOP found a way to out
collect them on ballots. I literallywrote on this. I literally wrote on
this when I was talking about theuspsy thing, and I said, Democrats

(59:37):
are gonna say, oh, well, we're gonna have other ballot pick up
locations, or we're gonna send someoneto pick up your ballot because the US
Postal Service isn't reliable. And nowthat the GOP basically steps on their toes
and does that very thing, nowall of a sudden it's a big old
illegal thing. I literally said earlierthat it wasn't illegal for them to do

(59:57):
that to the Democrats to collect ballotswith their own ballot collection devices. But
here we are sitting here now saying, well, the Republicans are doing an
NCA illegal. No, it's not. You're just mad and you didn't think
of it first, or because theywere already complaining they were not wanting to
do ballot harvesting because of the pandemic. Okay, well, here's a box
where people can leave it and notto mention. I thought the voter engagement

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above all else was important, right, I mean back in twenty eighteen,
after the blue wave hit, Padillawas saying, two Republicans who are pissed
about it? Well, you know, you guys are trying to limit access
to the ballot to people. We'reall about providing more access, about expanding
access and not disenfranchising communities. Imean, the double standard is hilarious.

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And they don't even have to havetraining to do ballot harvesting. You to
work at an a polling place,you have to go through training, you
have to understand election law. There'sno required training to be a ballot harvester.
And this idea that now they areall about having someone have a relationship
with whoever they turn their ballot overto. It's an Orange county. We

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both know this. Over two hundredthousand ballots were turned in on election night
of twenty eighteen. Does anyone knowtwo hundred thousand people? Can one person
know two hundred thousand people in theircounty to turn in their ballot? Right?
There's no relationship going on there.Right. This is again going back

(01:01:30):
to the fact that if they haddone it in the days in weeks leading
up to the election, there wouldhave been scrutiny over those ballots. Dropping
them off on election day or evenelection night is going to leave behind a
huge gaping hole in the credibility ofthose of those ballots. But they don't
want it scrutinized, so they dropit off the last minute, and then

(01:01:50):
if for whatever reason, there's anyquestions about the legitimacy of those ballots,
it's automatically voter suppression. Oh,you're trying to suppress these people's votes.
You don't want them to have theirright to their voice, or whatever the
garbage narrative that they come up withis. And in reality, it's like,
no, that's not the case.That isn't the case. Stop talking

(01:02:12):
about that. If the Republicans aredoing it, would you be just as
mad. But you can't simultaneously beupset about this and then about like again
the ballot boxes or Republican vot voterefforts, and then and then second guessing
it and undermining it elsewhere. It'sit's just it's it's a hypocrisy the left
has. Not that the left isn'tcompletely hypocritical all the time, but it's

(01:02:36):
a hypocrisy that is astounding considering theresults of twenty eighteen. Yeah, it's
like someone tweeted back at me aboutthis topic. They said, Yeah,
here's the Dems. Your ballot boxesaren't author aren't official because we didn't authorize
them. Our ballot boxes are officialbecause we authorize them. Right, That's
that's how they look at it.And then going to the counting of the

(01:02:58):
ballots. One of those regulations thatPadilla put out emergency wise is it limits
the access of observers. It allowsthe counties to to put the observers in
another room or even virtually citing thepandemic fears to observe. And the Election

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Integrity Project said that back in thespring they had one observer. They were
forced to do it that way.When they want to challenge a ballot,
they were told to write out andmail in the information. So how is
that going to help actually have asafe and secure election. I don't know.
On that happy note, it's timefor us to wrap up this episode

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of Sounds Right with Jen and Scottand we will be definitely crossing fingers and
praying that this election is somehow legitimate. I don't have that faith, but
I mean I did say I hadthe faith. I said I'll be crossing
my fingers and hoping no again.They just don't seem to have a have

(01:04:02):
a Karen in the world regarding that. So, yeah, it's it's been
a fun show. We want toagain thank our guest Charles Moran for his
fantastic time in the show. Alwayssuch an entertaining guy, wildly entertaining and
intellectual. He's so smart as wellto be able to explain all these complict

(01:04:23):
issues in a way that's so easilyunderstood, so we want to thank him
for that. You can find meat Hound Sizzle on Twitter. Jenna,
can people find you at Jen vanLar on Twitter. V A N L
A R. Sweet And with that, this has been sounds right with Jenna
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