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analysis that's going to be done.But don't be afraid. I if you're
like, need numbers and statistics notmy thing. I need it dumbed down.
And my dad is an engineer,my oldest son is a spreadsheet geek.
But if either of them ever triedto explain something statistical to me,
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i'd be pointing at my thumbnail andbeing like, dude, stop, I'm
not processing what you're saying. Andsame with my conversations with Scott, who's
our data guru over at Red State. So what I am doing, I
think is a public service today.Scott's been writing this whole series of articles
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called excuse me while I call bson the various swing states that President Trump
is contesting the election results in.And Scott has an MBA and he he
really is like a savant and nerdof data and numbers, and he's run
through these different statistics of the votingreturns in these states and believes that he's
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got some pretty solid evidence of fraud. So Scott's going to give us the
demi version of how he's found thatout and what the evidence is. And
I'll be piping in with the normalpeople questions, with the pleab questions.
Yes, the pleabs have questions allright, as I'm a word. The
artists, not a number of artists, give us drop some truth bombs on
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us. Wow. So I've beendoing this this data for Red State all
election cycle. And I started withthe with the um the polls that were
coming out and analyzing the polls,adjusting them for proper sampling, and UH
did pretty well, I would say, and all things considered, when we
talk about the results of the election, Uh, and so I feel like
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I did relatively well there. SoI started looking at election results coming out
of the different states, and somethingvery shocking began to occur. Usually in
data, you see a trend,a trend where data goes in a particular
direction over a course of a periodof time, or towards a particular trend
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of a trend towards a particular goalor another number. So, for instance,
you can see voting registration. Uh, the numbers get bigger as you
go into more populated counties. That'sa correlation. You can say, Okay,
well the number rises is the getto more more populated areas. That
would be something you'd be able tounderstand. Uh. In in some of
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this numbers that I've been seeing comingout of these states, Uh, they
don't make sense. And that's what'swhat's been a pretty for me all the
time, right pretty much? UhYeah, So aside though I'm terrible at
like balancing checkbooks and things, butI can do business taxes, complicated business
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taxes like a mofo. Right,and again, these numbers, these numbers,
these numbers are are are are arenot super understandable at times. What
I can say is is that lookingat the data, you'll you'll begin to
see patterns that don't duplicate across countylines. Or or wait a second,
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why is one county here in thisarea? Why is there suddenly a double
digit increase for Biden over Obama's twentyand twelve turnout, But in the county
next to it Biden underperformed Obama,Or in all the counties surrounding this county,
Biden under performed Obama by a pointor double digits whatever. So this
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doesn't make sense in general, becausewhy Biden's not someone to be excited about.
It's like you're going if you're votingfor Biden. I think a lot
of people are. It's more likenot voting for Donald Trump. Correct.
And the thing that the real reallyhave to look at is population growth.
So if you see a giant jumpand there's no population growth, we've got
to start asking questions. So Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, former industrialized states
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that have now become a little bitmore uh stagnant, in their populations.
There is some growth in Pennsylvania,there is some growth in Wisconsin, but
for the most part, they've beenlosing population. Wisconsin over the last let
me just get this really quick.Wisconsin over the last four years has lost
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I gotta get the voter registration datahere really quick. But they've they've they've
lost a significant amount of voters.And you've got to start asking questions of
where did these numbers go, Wheredid these people go they left the state?
Likely, So in in Wisconsin they'velost thirty two, three hundred and
twenty five thousand voters over the courseto the last over from twenty sixteen to
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twenty eighteen, they lost three hundredand twenty five thousand voters. And in
UH in we look here, they'veonly gained one hundred and seventy nine thousand
of those back since two thousand,uh eighteen. So there's been a yes,
they've lost that amount of voters inthe course of the last four years,
UH like total loss of two onehundred and fifty thousand voters. Essentially.
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Yes, So if you start lookingat these at these numbers here,
UH you can see where where theywere gained, where they were lost uh,
and again in Trump counties where theyhave additional some additional UM registration.
Uh in between nine between two thousandand sixteen and twenty and twenty, Trump
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counties lost more voters in Wisconsin thandid Clington counties. So you've got to
start saying, well, there maybe something to Wisconsin's shift. However,
Uh, that does not explain thefact that Trump had an increase in turnout
for him in every county in Wisconsinover the course of the last four years.
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So there's been a significant change there. Um if we look at let's
let's let's start with with with thefirst piece that I wrote Wisconsin. How
I be again to identify these countieswas in their increase over Obama's turnout in
twenty eighteen or twenty and sixteen ortwo thousand and twelve. Excuse me,
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I'm having some brain farts this morning. So it's early recording this at zero
dark thirty California time, right,Uh, not even time for government workers
to be on the clock yet yet. Anyway, So the Trump county's lost
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more voters than the Clinton counties fromsixteen. But but that doesn't explain the
shift you're saying, correct, Trumphad a significant rise in some of these
counties as well. Yeah, sowe okay, the best way to look
at it is where neither neither candidatewas on the ballot. So I'm going
to go back to twenty twelve whenit was Romney versus Obama. Now,
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Romney was a dynamic candidate. Hewas. I mean, you don't,
don't I understand there's biased you cansay I saw through. I didn't think
that he was. No, Ididn't think he was a dynamic candidate.
That may be your opinion, butthe fact is that people genuinely found him
to be dynamic. I found him. Don't agree with my opinion. Right,
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that won't be the first time,right, nor the last. But
but in in these counties in Wisconsin, you're seeing these huge jumps. So
again, going back to twenty andtwelve, we can see that in all
but about fourteen counties in Wisconsin,Uh, Biden underperformed Obama. He just
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didn't have the same people show up. That's including population increases, that's including
changes in registration in and that's kindof a nationwide trend though. Right in
fifty seven counties in Wisconsin, JoeBiden did not beat Barack Obama's turnout.
Right, Then suddenly he has theselittle jumps here and there, things that
you can be can be explained.There's a two hundred and thirty one vote
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jump in Walworth County, So Igo, well, okay, two hundred
and thirty one, you know,factoring for population increases, changes in voter
dynamics, two hundred thirty one votesis a lot, which again is still
twenty one percent increase over two thousandover two thousand and twelve. So uh,
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it's it's a say two hold onlens me, it's a I take
that it's a one percent increase overover yes, twenty I was reading Clinton,
Clinton's, Clinton's, but again it'sit's a small county. We're talking
two hundred and thirty one votes outof twenty two thous and casts, so
we're not talking about a huge numberhere. However, as you start scrolling
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down this this list here, andyou start getting into okay, well,
there's six hundred and twenty six votershere, there's seven, six hundred and
eighty seven voters there, not enoughto make up the difference by which Trump
won won the state in twoy sixteen, right, right, So we start
going down even further, and thenyou start getting into what I call these
suburban counties. The suburban counties arethe ones directly around these areas or in
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mini metros. So like, forinstance, Dane County, which is where
Madison is uh is, has asignificant increase. So you start looking at
Washington County fifteen point fifteen point zerothree percent increase over Obama's turnout, Saint
Croix County at sixteen point four sevenpercent turnout, Dane County twenty point four
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four percent turnout increase over Obama,Waukesha thirty one point eight five percent increase,
and later lastly Ozaki County at thirtyeight point three nine percent increase over
Obama. So it's it's a it'sa it's this shift that suddenly happens in
five counties at the very end ofjust this massive shift to the to Biden's
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favor. So what you're saying isall across the state that what the fifty
two counties there's pretty no but youtalked about five separate ones, right,
No, this is fifty seven.And then and then there's an additional fourteen
Okay, see, I don't knowhow many counties there are Wisconsin. It's
my son who lives in Dane Countymight be able to explain it to me.
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But so in those fifty seven counties, there's it's just a normal type
of what you could expect or couldbe explained by a lot of various things.
But in those five counties there's justthis spike for Biden that's really unexplainable.
Massive shift again goes goes from Bidenunderperforming Obama to performing at a rate
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where you'd reasonably say, you know, five seven, five to seven percent
increase in angry voters or whatever Trumphating voters. But then you have,
like I said, fifteen, sixteen, twenty thirty one, and thirty eight
percent increases over the course of thesenext few counties. We're talking about multiple
percentage jumps. We go from likea six percent, another five percent,
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and then eleven percent and then anotherseven percent. Show why why would this
be significant? Like why is thissomething people would want to care about or
look at? So in forensic accounting, one of the things that they take
a look at is is changes overtime. So if an account that has
reliably only had a five percent drawnit every year suddenly has a fifteen or
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twenty percent draw on it. You'regoing to be able to go back and
say, there's something that happened here, right, just like if like your
credit card or your debit card.Like you, they know that you go
to Starbucks run three times a weekand you spend x amount, or you
normally go to Target and spend xamount. But then if you start spending
in places or amounts that are justwildly different, they start looking at your
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account, right, or potential fraudright? Right? So is that kind
of the same correct? This isthis is essentially the same principle, what
is the normal behavior of the dataand what happened to at this election cycle?
So if you look at all thedata that came out of all these
counties for a four year for afour year term that is from Clinton to
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Biden, it does look like thesethese counties perform normally. But again,
these people didn't show up in twentysixteen, but the other counties did.
So again you have to start askingquestions about where did these where did these
giant jumps in data come from?And plus is it Dane County That's where
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Madison is, right, which issuper liberal liberal. So you're gonna expect
Biden to win. But what's alsonot happening is they're not in school right
right. I don't think they're oncampus. Wouldn't have a bunch of students
they're voting unless having their ballots,unless they voted by absentee, because they're
no longer at school right now,which again then you have to ask,
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did they also vote in another state? I mean, I know that's not
really what you're looking at, butI know my cousins kid just graduated University
of Arizona, and she voted therebecause she felt like her vote would count
in Arizona more than California. Butshe got vallots at both places. She
didn't break the law, she onlyvoted in one, But she said,
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I wonder how many of my Democratclassmates got a valot or two from Arizona
and voted them and voted somewhere else, right? And I think that that's
a solid question to ask. Ifyou're talking about, like I said,
you talk about Washington County, we'retalking about an additional thirty four hundred eighty
one votes above obama twenties, youknow, twenty seven or fifteen percent increase
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over Obama's turnout in Saint Croix Countyin a thirty two hundred and eighty ballots
sixteen point four to seven percent increase, Dane County's forty four thousand ballots at
forty four thousand and eighty six ballots, twenty percent increase over Obama, Waukesha
twenty five thousand ballots thirty one thirtyone percent increase over Obama, and Ozakie
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County at at at thirty eight pointthree nine percent increase seventy three hundred and
fifty six votes. So we're talkingjust in those numbers over eighty thousand ballots
that were cast, and are anadditional ballots that were cast above Obama in
a stop that prior to that pointin any of the other counties, we're
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talking minimal. And again to pointsomething out, none of these counties is
Milwaukee County. Milwaukee County, Bidenunderperformed Obama by four point five percent.
Wow, So how you have likewe've seen in other urban areas where right
Philadelphia, same thing by underperformed Obama. Uh And so we have to start
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asking questions where where did these votescome from? Why is it so high?
So there's two passe potentials here thatthat exist. One fraud and I
lean towards that more than anything atthis point, and we'll see what ends
up happening. I don't want tosay fraud, malfeasance, an issue with
the data, uh, you know, voting machines, whatever you want to
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say, whatever it is that it'snot people going and turning in legal ballots.
It's not organic, it's synthetic U. So, I mean, that's
that's a big thing to look atthere. But again going to the fact
that these these trends vanish miles away. So you're talking about Saint Croix County
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that is actually a suburb county ofof Minneapolis more than it is anything in
Wisconsin, but is still in Wisconsin. Saint Croix County. Again, Minneapolis
did not perform at the rate thatyou'd think it would have for Biden over
over Clinton or Obama. But herewe have Saint Croix County that just jumps
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sixteen percent above Obama's turn out.So again, either it's fraud, malfeasance,
problem with the voting machine, somethingalong those lines, or white entitled
liberals didn't show up to vote forObama, but they did show up for
Biden. No, I think thatthe white entitled liberals were just so much
more virtue signaling by going to votefor Obama. They were very right intense,
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but I mean to be fair,like they were definitely wanting to vote
against Donald Trump at this time becauseOrange man bad and terrible. But this
trend doesn't doesn't carry outside of thesefive And so again, if if the
attitude was I hate Trump, you'dsee it across the state right again to
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fall sink in California, Like,even though my county Ventura is a lot
more conservative than La, they're stillnot that big of a difference in how
it went for Biden from La County. And they're right next to each other,
right, And so what you're sayingabout the physical proximity, you know,
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that would seem to carry, youknow, correct, And again it
would be to have it hop scotchessentially, so you have like, for
instance, Milwaukee County under Biden underperformsObama by four point five percent. Then
you go five miles north and youend up in Azaki County and Biden overperforms
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Obama by thirty eight point three ninepercent. And then you go five miles
north of that and suddenly it's backdown to Biden underperforming Obama by ten percent.
Right, So you can't you can'thave these giant, massive swings if
you think about like jen for instance, here in California, we've got La,
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the San Fernando Valley, and thenyou go up to where I live,
in a little town called Santa Clarita. It's not so little anymore,
not so little anymore. It's oneof the biggest county cities in the county.
Now, however, it's a bleedof the of the of the of
the voter behavior, of the voterideology. As you go from downtown LA
to to you can head head intolike Los Feles area again very swanky,
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uh, superliberal area, and thenit goes into Glendale, which moderates a
little bit more, and then upin this locker center a little bit more
moderate. Then out in the SanFernando Valley in Granada Hills area, where
again it's now becoming a little bitmore conservative. They have a conservative or
a Republican air quotes uh city councilperson for distry twelve. No, but
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I thought that he actually became noparty preference. He's let's put it this
way, that's about as good asyou're going to get on the Los Angeles
account, right. No, Itotally agree. And you have a conservative
county supervisor, right, the onlyconservative, the only conservative county supervisor.
And then we get to Santa Clarita, which is is a plurality Republican.
Yeah, Democrats have a bit abigger registration right now, but we've got
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a bunch of Republican election at electedofficials. Our city council up here is
exclusively Republican. Uh So it's theshift. It's just kind of and it's
a little less. It's a littleless, but it doesn't it doesn't drop
off by but it's like yeah,but like you're saying, it's like shades,
it's like great as it goes by, like a wave almost, you
know. And it's explainable. Correct. So to have data go from underperforming
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by four to overperforming by thirty eightto underperforming by ten over the course of
like I said, thirty or fortymiles, you've got to start asking questions.
Uh, start saying wait a second. In addition, the other thing
that I've noticed about these counties Washington, Saint Croix, Dane Walker shot in
Nazaki all of them had turnouts aboveninety percent. Washington watching you and I've
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worked in elections for a long time, and I remember when we were working
on a race that included my partof Ventura County and up to Santa Clarita
and looking at the turnouts and thinkinghow amazing it was that Semi Valley has
pretty reliably eighty percent turnout right,and a lot of that permanent absentee,
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And so we knew, like,you have to get Semi Valley to win,
right, and so to have ninetypercent, I mean, that's just
incredible to me. Right, Well, it's get this in Washington County was
ninety six point six percent. Cheeze. Right, you're going to tell me
that over the course of the lastfour or five years there isn't five percent
of the people in the entire countywho don't care, moved, died,
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whatever it may be. Then you'restill going to have ninety six point six
percent. All right. I don'tknow of any organization or anything I've ever
been in where ninety six percent ofthe people care. In Australia, voting.
In Australia, voting is compulsory.You do not get a choice.
You have to vote by law,and they still only have ninety percent turnout.
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Wow. Wow, So this isthese numbers are are wholly synthetic in
a lot of ways. I don'tbelieve for one second that Washington County had
ninety six point six percent turn out. Again, that's an average for the
county. So let's just say thatthere were precincts that had ninety percent turnout.
That means that there were other precinctsthat had to have north of one
hundred percent in order to make upfor that. So it just doesn't.
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It doesn't. The numbers don't addup. The numbers do not reach to
a point, reach a point whereI go, this is reasonable or expected,
or any the rest of it.So so I have some questions,
but I know that we need totake a quick break yes to hear some
important messages. So let's go hearthose messages, and I will be right
back with my questions. This soundsright, which FCBING Radio Network, Welcome
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back to sounds right with Jen andScott. And that first segment, Scott
was actually doing a really good jobof making numbers and data makes sense to
me. I might have been ableto hear me I'm actually writing numbers down
as he says them, because I'ma visual person. I hear if I
hear numbers that, yeah, Ihave to see it in front of me.
So anyway, a question I had, and you probably haven't lived at
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this because you've been so focused onthe data. So these five counties in
Wisconsin that had just this unexplainable turnoutfor Biden, do we know anything about
the elections officials there or are theyall using the same software? Was it
possibly easier for fraud because there mighthave been willing accomplices in those counties?
Do we know anything about that?These counties are almost exclusively controlled by Democrats
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in a lot of ways. Umuh so, I would I would imagine
there's a big rise in the Democratsin these areas they used to be.
To be perfectly frank, Trump stillwon some of these counties. He still
won Waukesha County, but there's thishuge, massive turnout as send again,
what the even if he won thecounty, the what is it? He
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lost the state allegedly by what twentythousand votes? Right? So even if
he lost the count even if Bidenlost the county, the number you know
just the raw number is important.And the argument that was made, again,
we're not talking about huge population increases, but the argument that was made
by the left was that Trump wasgoing to lose support. We were going
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to lose support amongst the white whitewomen, we were gonna lose support amongst
minorities. Both were untrue, uh, or at least the exit polling that
I've seen, in the data thatI've seen, doesn't suggest that occurred.
Trump had massive increases in these countiesas well. Let's not pretend like Trump
didn't do well. Trump had aten point let's just split away in Washington
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County, where where Biden had afifteen percent increase over Obama's turnout, Trump
had a nine percent increase over Romney'sturnout. It's it's it shows. It
goes to show that there is ashift in voter behavior. Sure, but
not to the tune of, uh, you know, fifteen percent increase over
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Obama. You can understand ideologically speakingthat Donald Trump is much more red meat
than Mitt Romney was. So ashift in that vote for Republicans to go
over to Trump is explainable. It'sunderstandable. You can say, well,
Romney was a bit of a pushoverTrump is a little bit more of a
bulldog. Republicans like that he hassome of the highest support amongst Republicans.
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This increase of nine percent, Ican buy. But when you talk about
a fifteen percent increase, and againthat increase was seen across the entire state,
I don't believe there's a single countyin Wisconsin and that that Trump one
by less than what Romney's take wasin two days. That's not the same
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for Biden. Like I said thatBiden fifty seven counties, Biden underperformed Obama
and then suddenly overperformed by double digitsin five counties. I just don't buy.
I don't buy it. So youhave a piece out now about Georgia
two and I don't think it'll beout in forty five minutes. But yes,
well by the time this podcast isposted here for sure on Red State.
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But I know you and I weretalking on the phone yesterday about what
you were finding there. And Georgeis interesting to me because those the Midwest
and northeastern states have lost population likethey have been losing for decades to the
south and southwest, and so Georgia, I'm sure has had a lot of
refugees from those states. You're lookingfor war or weather or less taxes,
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better job opportunities, whatever. Soobviously we wouldn't expect increases in voter numbers
in Georgia and in Liberals because theytend to move places and ruin them.
So why did you find their factsinteresting? Fact? Yes, Uh,
well, I mean look at Arizona. I'll just say, let's just look
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at Arizona for saying I'll go,I'll get to Georgia right now, but
look at Arizona. Arizona was reliablyread. All the California rejects ran over
there. They think they think that, oh well, because I California was
such a great place that I stayed. Oh wait, no, I left
that I'm going to come here.I'm gonna come here and bring all my
policies here that are absolute hot garbage. Right. So there's four counties in
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Georgia to get back to Georgia Forgecounties in Georgia that are all Atlanta suburb
counties to cab County, u Fulton, Cobb, and Gwinnette. Uh.
The way that I look to thisdata was because there was such a massive
population increase over the course of eightyears. I mean, Gwynette had a
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forty six point nine to three percentincrease in voter in voter registrations over the
course of the last eight years.I start wondering, Wait a second here,
what's going on? How how thesegrowths can be explained by population increases?
Correct, Well, theoretically you'd believethat. However, in these counties,
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even if I took and gave everysingle new registered voter to these counties
over the course of the last eightyears or four years, I should say,
the course of the last four years, they still outperformed Obama plus every
single registered voter over the last fouryears. So again it's you You've got
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to start asking yourself a question.How does Fulton County, for instance,
how does Fulton County have a fortytwo percent three point three one percent increase
in voters since two thousand twelve ortwenty sixteen. They've added forty seven thousand,
six hundred and twenty four voters inthat county. So you can say,
well, there's where your increase comesfrom. That's where the giant jump
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happens. Right, So we're gonnago look at what he did over Clinton.
Biden over Clinton by eighty four thousandsix votes. So he got like
basically all of those new people pluslike forty thousand others that didn't vote for
Clinton in sixteen. Correct. Sowe're talking not just about that. We're
talking and we're talking those numbers plusthirty six thousand, three hundred eighty two
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voters who didn't vote for Clinton thatshowed up for Biden in Wow, in
minority majority counties. In other words, minorities out number white people in these
counties of Gwynette Counties over fifty percent, but they normally vote them. But
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one of the things that the nationwidetrend was that minorities voted for Trump at
a higher rate number, at ahigher rate, at a higher rate.
Right, So we're we're also andBiden wants to lock up black people,
so and a lot of them knowthat. Correct. That's the other thing
about this, This is crime BillJoe, and I literally call him crime
Bill Joe in the in the piecethat I wrote is that this is not
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some transformative minority figure. This iswell, like Darvo that runs FCB,
which carries our podcast. He's beenvery militant about how much black men,
especially in his age group, hateJoe Biden. Right, So again you
have to you have to look atthe fact that this these these numbers erase
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two trends, one the minority trendand two the the the uh, the
metropolitan trend. Trend was said thatturnout for Joe would be lower in these
metropolitan areas than it was for Obama. And yet we have we have him
not only increasing past Obama. GrenetteCounty has an eighty two point five percent
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increase over Obama's turnout. Now,hold on one second, that seems insane,
right, Yeah, I mean,I know, they've had a huge
population, they've had a four they'vehad a forty percent on population increase,
but you'd have to buy than inGwinnette County, Biden got every single registered
voter since Clinton's election, plus everyevery voter that the one off the reservation
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for Clinton that came back to Biden, right right, plus every single I
mean again, you're you're talking theirregularities. Go after the fact that there's
so many more voters that apparently suddenlyflipped their fourteen two hundred and twenty two
voters in Gwinette County showed up aboveboth Obama's turnout and population growth over the
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four years. Wow, I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. That's
an addition in just in Gwinnette County, that's like seven percent increase in turnout
just for Dems in this county.We we if you just look at the
actual turnout models here in Gwinnette County, they had eleven point seven five percent
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increase over twenty twelves turnout or twentysixteen turnout. I say, I take
that back twenty sixteen turnout, sothere was seventy one percent of voters turned
out in Gwinette County. It wasfifty nine percent twenty sixteen. I mean,
that's a huge jump. It's stillnot ninety six percent, but still
it's a huge jump. And itdefinitely I'm seeing that what you're saying of
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like the pattern of so if likethe Trump campaign wants to know where to
concentrate their efforts in these states,they can look at that data, right
and find the outliers basically right,again, we're talking about the fact that
I am applying every benefit of thedoubt to the Democrats and they still beat
it right, And you know,I mean a little bit of a squirrel
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moment, but was also interesting tome I was on election night Wayne County,
Michigan, where Detroit is they thatwas going for Trump until they stopped
counting the votes, right. Wewere just sitting there going, wait a
minute, Detroit, like what Imean? Wow? Now, to be
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fair, to be fair, andto be accurate. There are counties that
count mail ballots after day of election. So you could expect Trump to do
well in day of election in Detroitin Wayne County, but then fail over
the mail vote. But again tofail over the mail vote enough to not
only make up for the discrepancies ofday of election, but then to go
on and beat Trump by thirty points, shows that those bail ballots are going
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to Biden eight and nine to one, right, And that also doesn't And
the other thing that you and Ihave watched as we've worked on campaigns is
a lot of times the early returnsthey can be deceptive because it could just
be one or two precincts that arereally heavily one way or the other.
But usually what we've seen on electionit's some kind of a pattern where you
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know how the votes are going tobreak out as the rest of them are
counted, there's like whatever ratio right, right, so if it's a really
close election, to then have eightor nine to one in your late ballot
counting is completely something that neither ofus have ever seen, I think,
except in twenty eighteen California. Rightagain, again you don't see these sorts
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of shifts, massive shifts so quickly. And again there's you talk about again
we're talking about Gwynette County. Trumpstill also increased. So it's not like
some of these votes came from Trump, right, We're talking about every single
one of these votes came from camefrom either turning people out that didn't turn
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out. And again that's in justlet's just take quick Gwinnette County. Trump
still had a thirteen percent increase overhis twenty sixteen turnout. That's huge.
Yeah, but I already have givenevery new registered voter to the Democrats,
plus every benefit of the doubt andpopulation increase and all the rest of it,
and they still beat that number bytwenty two thousand voters. Right.
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And like someone else said, andwe were talking about this issue of like
all these votes going for for Bidenthat came in late, like there's always
a contrarian somewhere, even if acounty is like one hundred percent for Biden
or Trump. There's gonna be oneperson that just says no, just to
say no and be different or notshow up. Right. That's the other
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things like you can't tell me laziestcountry around and everyone got off their butt
to vote now, right, FultonCounty or Suny Cobb County, Georgia?
Which is which is the which isanother one seventy three point two three percent
turnout. Now you go, well, that's not as high as it was
in Wisconsin. Fact, But ifthat's eleven point seven to one percent increase
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over the twenty sixteen vote again adouble digit swing in you you have to
you have to guess. I wantto say guess. You have to factor
for the fact that some people justdidn't care in twenty sixteen. And I
get it. But at five orsix percent, is a terrible person,
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right, five or six percent increaseI can buy go go nuts, seven
or eight eleven. No, it'snot gonna happen. You just don't see
it. Look at Obama's turnout overyou know two one thousand and eight turnout
over two thousand and four. NotYou're not going to see eleven point swings
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in in uh in turnout, Andso I keep going back to this fact
that there's there's there's got to bean explanation for this that isn't just roll
because more people turned out because theyhated Trump. No, it doesn't count
because enough people like Trump as well. So we'd have to believe that the
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Trump hate was ninety five five inthese counties. And I just I can't
swing wrap my mind around the factof what the way Trump did amongst minorities
elsewhere, the way that Trump didin metropolitan areas elsewhere, and that this
trend just evaporates on many fronts,on all the different leads that Trump did
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better on into over twenty sixteen,those all evaporate in these four counties surrounding
Atlanta, Right, I don't buyYeah, But you know, let's also
talk about a little bit what wedidn't see in California. My theory is
that they test ran this whole strategyin twenty eighteen here and granted then it
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was basically just ballot harvesting, butessentially that could be what they did in
these counties. But because we've seenclaims of just a ton of ballots being
dropped off at what four thirty inthe morning in Michigan on the next morning
after the election, So they kindof perfected it then, and then in
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our special election for Mike Garcia maybegot a little bit more data because that
was the first basically pandemic election whereeveryone was mailed a ballot and then took
it to where they needed to.And that's the thing about like the electoral
college. People make complaints about aboutpeople who want to change it, But
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one bad thing I think of theelectoral college is they have to It made
it easy to do this fraud.They didn't have to perpetrate it nationally.
They knew exactly where they need thatthose ballots to be for Biden to win
or claim to win. Yeah.No, again, it's it's it's not
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that they had to win these counties. They just had to put in enough
ballots that the metropolit so other yes, so other areas could carry the state.
Right. They knew that that theyneeded those states, right, and
then they were able to just findwhether through sympathetic officials or ways, the
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easiest ways I guess, to getthose ballots in to swing the state.
We didn't see it in California.I mean the late ballots have been breaking
for Republicans like crazy, right,it's odd. Yes, usually you see
the opposite there, and so thathas been odd to watch. But I
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think it's explainable by we told Republicanshere to not mail their ballot, to
either take it to um an officialballot drop box or the California GOP drop
box, or to go in person, and a lot of people took their
mail ballot to I took mine upto the Reagan Library and handed it in
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because that was my polling place.So I took it like the day before
election day and handed it in soit was counted like a day or two
after. So I think a lotof Republicans did that here just to make
sure, like they handed it inso they knew that it was actually getting
there. Right. No, that'sthat's that's exactly correct. That is that
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people Republicans were less trustworthy of theprocess and they wanted to get make sure
their ballot was counted and was takencare of. We dropped ours off at
a ballot We didn't put ours ina mail. We put him in a
ballot drop box here in Santilarida.I know a lot of people drop him
off directly to ballot drop boxes orto polling places. So I just don't
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see that growth that Again, Ijust don't see where democrats and pull off
the growth that they're showing in thesein these areas. Right, Well,
let's take another quick break and wewill be back to discuss more. Do
you feel like everyone is yelling ateach other but no one is listening to
each other or themselves. I'm CuraDavis post of just Listen to Yourself,
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We're just finishing up our discussion aboutdata coming out of these states.
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So, Jen, are you overwhelmedyet? Not? Really? I'm kidding,
I'm not overwhelmed, but I'm notentirely comfortable. Oh, with all
the data. Yes, right,it's it's I mean, it's it's a
foreign place for me, right,just like just like bed, bath and
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beyond would be for me. AndI know that's your home place to no
Home Goods. Oh, oh,I'm sorry. Hood Happy Today's National Happy
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I love Home good Wait, Imean, I know I'm not to
put down your wife at all,but as long as I've known you,
you've been very much an interior decorator. It's it's because I love the HGTV.
(44:16):
I love the HGTV well, Imean, and you're quite handy around
the house too. It gives aconstruction and like renovation kind of person.
Somewhat. I will accept that thatassignment. Oh, speaking of, before
we get back into the other stuff, I'm actually my newest domestic um not
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experiment activity. I guess I amrefinishing one of those old um eighties oak
tables that everyone had, like thedining room table, I get circular,
but then has the leaf that youput in it. So my aunt and
uncle had one and I've had itfor like a year in my garage that
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since I'm so being Governor hair Geland having a bunch of family over for
Thanksgiving, I need a bigger table, So I'm renovated. I was refinishing
that by doing on they sell themon what wayfare this way now where it's
like a black paint at the bottomand then like a dark stain for the
top. Right. So you cancheck out my Twitter at gen van Lar
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and you'll see a photo of thisfor our listeners, and then I'll do
it before and after sweet. Soanyway, now that I've got my little
add thing out being full white girlwith my pumpkin spice Chai latte pumpkin spice
lat Yeah this you're like going likemega white girl. Yes, So yeah,
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we're ready to dive back into diveinto diving back into the data.
So I want to just kind ofgo over a little bit about this,
And I know we talked a littlebit about the numbers. I don't want
to talk about numbers right now.I want to talk about law Jick.
In reason, I understand Trump wasunlikable. I don't like Trump. Yeah,
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I'm gonna get a lot of hatefor that. I'm not a big
Trump fan, a fan of hispolicies. I'm a fan of the way
he owns. The left just absolutelyowns lives, rent free in their house
and their heads for I mean,for the last four years. Those there's
things I like about Trump. Trumpis unlikable, and and so I understand
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how the left can say, well, the reason why we have these massive
growth is because we did like Trump. Well, the problem is is that
for every Lefty that said I don'tlike Trump was a Republican who said I
love Trump. See here's the thingwith Trump and likability. I didn't like
him in sixteen because the whole umwhen that grabber by the blank blank quote
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came out. Because at that timeI was going through a thing where I'm
a legislator, had had propositioned meand that was all coming out in the
press at that time. So Iwas very much not liking Trump at all
then, because but then you know, he was still elected anyway, which
I was glad because they didn't wantHillary. But over the four years,
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I really like the dude now,And that's fine. I think you have
to agree. I'm just giving myI'm saying that there are people, there
are people that just like you,that do like him right on the on
the whole though, when you're talkingabout Democrats, you're talking about people not
liking Trump. And again, Ican understand why Clinton Biden would outperform Clinton
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in those counties that are primarily liberalor left Blue counties will go to Biden
at a higher rate than they did. Uh they did for Clinton in twenty
sixteen, hands down. However,the fact is that the minority vote everywhere
else in the country went to Trumpby a higher margin. I'd say it
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didn't go to Trump as a whole, but a larger percentage of the minority
vote went to Trump in every otherstate. And yet in these counties in
Georgia, it just vap evaporates likeand swings back the other way. For
a guy bind you who was thearchitect of the crime Bill in nineteen ninety
four, Yeah, it doesn't makesense, right, it's There was an
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MSNBC video that was out before theelection of young black women in the Atlanta
area who were saying, Biden doesn'town our vote, Kamala Harris doesn't own
our vote. No one's gonna getthis vote. So again, I I
don't understand how we go from thisdistrust everywhere else to these counties in Georgia
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that, oh, that Trump's sucha racist, Trump's this, Trump's that.
I don't believe any of that.But if even if you wanted to
believe that to be able to goout and put up a huge gain on
Clinton that factors for every single registeredvoter over the last four years plus,
then some I start raising my struggingmy shoulders and saying, there's no possible
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way, there's no way that thesenumbers shifted by that much over the course
of that time doesn't happen. Yeah, So that's exactly what I'm kind of
what I'm getting at is that thesenumbers, when people are looking at these
numbers, I want them to thinklogically and reasonably, take your bias waded
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up in a little ball and throwit in the corner of the room and
look at things objectively and say whatwould someone else think about this? What
could someone else think about Trump?If you genuinely believe that all young black
men love Trump, you're wrong.If you automatically think that all women love
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Trump, you're a wrong. Soyou've got to look at it from the
point of view that that there's logicallya chance and a significant chance that Biden
did better than Clinton in a lotof these counties. Again not by the
margin by which he did, right, And so it's just it's me.
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It's frustrating because you want to beable to talk to people and have a
legitimate conversation. I've, as you'veseen on Twitter, I've been the first
to go out and say those numbersare bs. That doesn't make make sense.
And for both sides, even whenRepublicans are coming out and saying,
well, we'll go all this andeverything, Well, there's another explanation the
bullet bote. You know, Bidenreceived more votes than the Senate candidates,
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and therefore there were more bullet ballots. Bullet ballots aren't the only explanation.
There could have been more crossover Republicansfor Biden than there could have been crossover
Democrats for Trump. There's an entirepossibility that occurred. You may not like
that possibility, but it doesn't makeany less plausible, right, because the
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facts don't care about your feelings.Correct. Data doesn't care about your feelings,
right. And that's again going backto the fact that why and I
call the reason why I wrote thesearticles is it's the exact opposite for that
for the left is I don't carethat you hated Trump. Hate Trump all
you want. It's not a fortypercent increase over a county line, right,
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You're the data does not care aboutyour feelings. Sorry, not gonna
not. I don't buy it thatyou know. And what you bring up
a good point. We have alike people just don't have logic anymore like
they And it's like Kara says onher her podcast called Just Listen to Yourself,
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I wish they would listen to themselvesand realize that they don't make sense,
Like it's logically inconsistent the things thatthey talk about. I think that
that's that's the whole point that Ikeep saying about it is that the data
is speaks to these things. Soagain the other the other day, I
gotten into a debate with a guyon Twitter and he was your numbers don't
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make sense. Why don't they makesense? Well, because Trump was so
hating. Therefore, that's why it'slike, I get what, I get
what your argument is. I understandwhat you're saying. I'm not discounting the
fact that Trump was unlikable. Ifyou think I am, You're wrong.
What I'm saying is he's not unlikableto the tune of forty percent swings.
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Just like I can't say, again, Trump is likable in the rural counties.
You don't see forty point swings inthose counties. I just it's not,
like I said, you don't haven'tsee a forty point swing from one
county the next. And any ofthe Trump data, Trump data, by
and large falls right along the trendline of any data that you'd find coming
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out of these counties, hands down, the consistently in a minority of counties,
and usually it's a like five orthree, anywhere between three and eight
counties in some of these states.Biden just obsolutely goes out and crushes it
by double digits. Right, Yeah, it's just it's so hard, it's
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so hard to again you why,well, everyone didn't like Trump. Well,
there's a lot of people who didTrump's numbers increased across the board in
every state. I mean, it'sit's it's it's hard to to try to
argue with that. So, So, Jen, is there any questions that
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you may have regarding this data thatI may be able to answer that maybe
a viewer slash listener whatever they are, may have whatever they are. Yes,
love you guys, but no,I mean, so, are there
any other you'd mentioned these um forensicaccounting principles or ways that people find fraud
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or that are like I guess,signatures of fraud. Are there any other
indicators of that that your run you'reinvestigating, I guess has turned up.
Well, the next thing that I'mgoing to start looking at is mail ballot
returns in some of these counties.UM so Georgia. And by the way,
if the Georgia Secretary of State everlistens to this, please and thank
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you for making the data so readable. Georgia give puts out a number of
voters, and there's a total numberof voters for each voter, for each
candidate, and then there's a listof mail voters. Day day of election
voters, there's mail voters, there'searly voters, so I can tell exactly
how many voters in each segment foreach candidate voted, and I'm going to
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attempt to get that same data fromeach state to show that these numbers that
we were seeing, Like, forinstance, in Pennsylvania, it was like
seventy five percent of mail ballots onepoint two one point two million mail ballots
went to Biden. What right?Wait? What? How? Wait?
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Wait? You know I get thatagain. I get it. I get
Trump's not likable, and I getDems are going to vote more by these
by mail. But if you getif you said sixty five percent, I'd
be like, wow, that's ahuge number to have them going seventy five
percent. And again that's on average. So you're dealing with counties that they
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went to Trump in some cases,and then counties when they went to Biden
by eight and nine to one.So I just have a hard time believing.
The other thing that I'm going toeventually try to do is I want
to go out and find how manypeople who've never vote before voted in twenty
twenty. I would venture a guestof the number is astounding massive, right,
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and probably fell to Biden nine toone, just like in twenty eighteen,
California. Right. So again it'sit's these they passed these laws.
They make it available so everyone canvote super easily. But the problem is
that anytime you open the vote tobe able to be done by whomever,
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whenever you open it to fraud andmalfeasance, right, which is a feature
and not a bug in their mind. Correct. That's my point is that
they realize that if they flood thesystem with ballots, it's going to be
harder to separate the fraud. Imean even in Pennsylvania. Look what they
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did. Two court orders, Federalcourt and stat Scotus both ordered them said
no, you have to separate theballots to come back after a PM on
election day. Now when not onlywe do we know that they've been shuffled
into all the rest of the ballots, but they've been separated from their envelopes,
so there's no way of telling whenthey did come in. I hope
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that they really get slapped down forthat. They really need to. I
would love to see Shapiro end upin jail over a contempt charge from the
Supreme Court. Yeah, because thepoint that exists with this is that you
can't simultaneously claim the beauty that isthe United States electoral system, as the
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Dems have been doing over the Democracyone, and then crap all over the
legal system which told you, no, you can't do that. Right again,
I keep going back to this,Get Trump isn't a likable But again,
if he isn't likable, why doyou have to leave ballots the possibility
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of accepting ballots up until the twelfthof twelfth or thirteenth? I mean,
what's it isn't today the cut offfor North Carolina? Yeah, and we're
not even there for the cut offfor California yet right now? Does that
not disenfranchise the votes of people inother states? Yeah? I think it
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does. In one of the presidents, I forget which press conference it was
because there's been so many lately,but was saying that when these illegal votes
are counted, it disenfranchises everyone else. Exactly my point. What if there's
an engaged voter. All right,Let's say let's say that someone that's super
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engaged voter and they have changed theirmind about Biden or Trump or whatever the
situation is, and on either sideis going out and peddling people to the
polls that don't care, don't haven'teducated themselves, and just voting according the
way that someone told them to vote, or that they were paid to do
so. Right. Uh we see, Patrick Veritas had the video out of
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out of Texas where where these GOPoperatives were collecting ballots for Biden for payment.
They were paying people for their ballots, and so you just how widespread
that is. The question that I'veasked about these numbers in Georgia is if
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they're explainable by organics. Show methe organics, show me the numbers,
Show me where these people genuinely wantedto come out and vote, or or
give me some other reason why thevote is so high. Otherwise I'm going
to start letting my mind come tomy own conclusions as to why it suddenly
jump right. I mean, atsome point the Aucam's razor rule comes into
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play. Like the easiest explanation isnot that people just went and voted for
the guy, right anyway, it'sit's to me, like I said,
it's ordinately frustrating because again I've I'vespent a lot of time putting together this
data, dumping it out there inways that gives people away to understand just
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the questionable aspects of the of theseraces. And I mean I spent just
on Georgia. I spent six hourslast night going through the data to write
the article. And I love thatthese drive by leftist can swing by on
Twitter and say, well, you'redumb because everyone hated Trump. Okay,
I mean that's that's that's essentially thatthe yes, okay, you know exactly
(01:00:46):
who I'm thinking about. What's that? Right? And so it's just it's
just, uh, it's it's frustrating, like I said, to spend the
time to educate myself and then tobe kind of brush off as well,
it really doesn't matter, right,I just don't buy it. Oh well,
nothing matters, right. Well,I we had a great show.
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