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I'm always going to play second fiddleto you. Jen. We know this.
It's not sounds right with Scott andJen. It sounds right with jenn
and Scott. We know this.You are you are the the ruler here.
So anyway, we have a greatguest today. But I wanted to
kind of get going on some things. Let's go ahead, and I'll go
ahead and say that we have agreat show, talk about a little what
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has been going on on in Michigan. Some things have happened over the last
few hours with certifying the vote there, and we've got a great guest that's
going to help us out with that. But Jen, you know this guest,
and so we're going to I'm goingto toss it over to you to
introduce our guest. So our guesttoday, Jane, I've known for more
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than a decade, and I knowshe's always been busy on election day in
Michigan working at the polls there,and I'm going to let her describe more
about the titles and what all thatlooks like. But she and I have
been messaging since this whole election daystarted and never ended about things happening in
Michigan and things that were different.So Jane, thank you for joining us
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today. I'm happy to be here. Nice to hear your voice. Shift
thank you. Yeah, because it'susually on Facebook messenger. Yes, So
can you tell us first it's kindof your background in elections and so how
you know about kind of ins andounce of how things are supposed to be
done in Michigan. Okay, Istarted working the elections, oh ten fifteen
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years ago, and then I becamea precinct chairperson. Yeah, probably just
a couple of years after I started. And um, the process, who
really has not changed that much?Um, we're before we used to process
our own absentee ballots in the precinct. Um, but since since the absentee
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ballots were getting a lot more popularour particular county, they have their own
absentee ballots. Um, they hadtheir own absentee ballot precinct, so to
speak. And so yeah, sowhat happens is, um, then they
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have they're treated like their own littleprecinct and they are ill. I'm sorry.
Um. So, so Jane isa working yea of talking to us
while she's multitasking like amazing women.Do I just have to tell I'm in
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the car and I'm having a littlebit of difficulty with the car. So
oh no going again, so calledkevernor Whitmer to get you if anything happens.
Yeah, well you know what shebran on the platform that she was
going to fix the damn roads andthere are potholes everywhere. Somebody's got to
find this woman a dam road tofix because they're you know, she needs
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something, right. So back tothe elections, what they switched over to
having an absentee counting precinct, soto speak, and then we know we
longer had to do the absentee balance, which was actually kind of nice because
it causes quite a frenzy. Iwould usually do them in the afternoon.
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We would open them up, butthe township self or the city themselves,
they actually check, they verify thesignatures. And I've been involved in that
process as well in the office,and we literally pull out the cards with
the wet signatures and compare them.And in Michigan, do you have to
do a wet signature, because inCalifornia sometimes they do them on a touch
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screen like register. I think it'sprobably a touch screen right now, because
the last time I had to goget a driver's license, I signed it
on a touch screen. So it'snow a little bit more automated. But
that's how it's changed over the years. But the city clerks or township whatever
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wherever you're at, they are theones that verify the signatures and if there's
any problems they call the voters back, and we have such an influx in
our county because of COVID this year, So they ended up having like probably
four times the amount of people onthat av counting board this year as opposed
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to other years where we might haveonly had only four or five. Wow.
Yeah, So in regards to howit was different for us this year,
we had a couple of executive orderscome through, and it got very
confusing because in September, finally ourSupreme Court in Michigan here finally heard the
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lawsuits that were against the governor forjust basically going rogue and not working with
our state legislature, and she cameout with almost two hundred executive orders.
It was almost every couple of daysshe'd have a couple, she'd have another
executive order and it was some othercrazy thing, not based on any data
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or science, because she wasn't sharingthat with any of the She wasn't sharing
it with anybody any none of thelegislatures alone Michiganders. But right, so,
what one of those executive orders wasthat we wanted to have. She
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wanted to have ten extra days tocount absentee ballots, and she wasn't allowed
to do any more executive orders withoutthe legislation, the legislator's input, And
so rather than do that, theyhad Jocelyn Benson, our Secretary of State,
pushed through a new rule that wehad ten extra days to count absentee
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ballots. Well, then there wasanother lawsuit and that change that changed that
back to no, you don't,and then it was you have ten extra
hours to count them, and thenit was no, you don't. So
really what happened in the end isI'm really not certain how much time they
had to count, but I knowat the maximum it would have been only
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about ten hours to count. Didthey count them as they came in?
They changed up to this year,normally it has to only they can only
be opened during the polling hours.When all this was changing, they did
change it to they could open themthe day before and start running them through
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the tabulators. So, honestly,there really is no reason that we needed
all this extra time, because witha presidential election, we always beef up
on precincts, election workers and carepeople and sometimes they'll you know, make
extra precincts just to be able tohandle the load. I mean, it's
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always always crazy during a presidential asopposed to even the governor's race or a
primary or that. It's and it'salso not like they didn't know that they
didn't have all these additional mail ballotsthat we were going to be coming in
this election season. So it's again, they knew that this was coming.
They other states were able to prepare. I mean, if you think of
Florida, a case in a casein point of Florida, which has been
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infamously, infamously bad in counting theirvote, and they were done Tuesday night.
I mean, there was you know, some clean up counts here and
there in some competitive races, butfor the most part, they were done
counting on Wednesday morning. So Imean, to me, I don't understand
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why Michigan, Michigan needs this extratime, why Pennsylvania needs this extra time,
Why Georgia needs this extra time whenthese other states were pretty much able
to get it right right off thebat. Yeah, I agree. And
I have to say that I workin a red county and so and we
do not use the dominion software.So if our county were to flip to
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blue, that would be a majorred flag because that that county dine in
would I can't imagine it ever turningblue. And that was what's so surprising
in Antrim County and what kind ofuncovered this whole thing. While Antrim County
is up north near Tramvorse City area, not in the up but in the
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upper Lower Peninsula, and that isalways a red county, and when it
split to blue, the county kirkwas like, hey, wait a minute,
something's wrong here. This can't beand so they started looking into some
digging into it further and decided todo a hand count and that's when they
found those extra six thousand votes.And I should note that Antrim County is
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the same county that Governor Whitmer hadher cottage, and so when we were
all locked down couldn't go anywhere,she and her family went up over Memorial
Day weekend and had a graduation partyfor her daughter, is what the rumor
is. And the rest of uscould not have parties, get togethers,
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no easter, no anything. Andher husband then called the head to the
to their boat storage place, askingto get their boat out first, because
does it help that I'm the governor'shusband, and they said absolutely not.
In fact, it would be umnot in your favor right, which is
that frustrates me to no end becausehere we are trying to play I mean,
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in reality, do I like lockdowns? Do I like mask mandates?
No, I'm trying to play goodsoldier here or good citizen and complying with
this. And when we find Icome to find out the very people that
are requesting us to participate in this, I'll call it a sham at this
point, the sham of defending againstthis virus when they themselves aren't willing to
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participate. It loses any and allcredibility in that. And so you hear
here, you have you know,Governor whitmer up throwing parties for her daughter
and try to get their boat out, and meanwhile everyone else is told to
stay home, don't throw parties,don't gather, don't do this. It's
it's the you know, let themeat cake situation, Uh, you know,
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twenty twenty style. It's it's it'sannoying. Beyond that, it's it's
it's inordinately frustrating. Yes, Itotally agree, we are. We've just
had it here. They just lockedus down again and again, no science
and data. All of our restaurantshave been told no more dining inside and
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UM high schools and colleges must nothave in person learning, but eighth grade
and younger can be in person.UM. There's a host of other little
um rules that she's added on,but again no science and data that says
only high schoolers and college students canget the right virus, but not anybody
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eighth grade and younger. It doesn'tit doesn't make any sense to any of
us. UM. And that samenight that she gave that decree, on
Sunday night, there's a photo ofher in the same exact clothing in a
group of people, no mask behindthe scene that someone took a photo of
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her. So at the same timewe happened here too, Yeah yeah,
So, I mean, how seriouscan it be that we must wear must
wear these masks and must abide byall these crazy rules when they're not doing
it, Like is it safe oris it not safe? Which is it?
Because we can abide by any ofthat, but just be honest,
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Well, it's even worse here inCalifornia because once the pictures got out last
night of Gavin Newsom's dinner, thenit was and it showed the other people
there, and of course everyone inSacramento starts looking Okay, who was at
this dinner the president of a Californiamedical association? Oh my word? Right?
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Oh, I mean so okay,but we have the medical people right
there with them doing what they allsay we cannot do. But you had
a good point about Antrim County andhow that being the reason why things looked
into And I remember when I wokeup that Wednesday morning, there's a writer
from Michigan named Dennis Lennox, andhe and I are friends, and so
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he had DMed me at something aboutAntrim County and that I need to pay
attention to this, and I thinkthat in so I've been paying attention to
it since then, and then startedthinking, okay, what system do they
use? Found out it was dominion. Then from our wrote a bunch of
stories about that. Anyway, andI think that there's a lot of fraud
that probably happens. And well,we know Scott and I know there's fraud
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that happens in California elections. ButI think that the reason a lot of
it isn't uncovered is because it doesn'tchange people's assumptions of what the vote is
going to be. Like everyone assumesit's going to be Democrat, so when
it's Democrat, they're like, theydon't, no one look into it.
So I wonder how much just fraudthere is and there that no one ever
cares enough to look at because it'snot it's not it doesn't bring up a
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red flag the way Arem County dideven with it. So it's just a
little bit further look into the datayou're even in with the votes being flipped.
Uh, Biden is still overperformed Obama'stwo thousand and eight or two thousand
and twelve performance by in Antrim County. I mean that there's I get that
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there's computer issues and all the restof it, but even that is is
unheard of. I mean, thosethose sorts of gains, uh, but
makes no sense for that area ofour skate at all. And it's I
mean, honestly, the only placesthat go blue are Detroit and Arbor and
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Lansing and well Kalamazoo. But evenKalamazoo. I think there's a little bit
of question there too. Dispointed Dutchpeople, which which county in Kalamazoo And
do you know, oh it's Iknow, Calamazoo County. I see it
right here, right here. It'sone of my whole families from scott Do
not disrespect this. Okay, I'mnot just I'm not disrespecting it. But
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even so, like in Kalamazoo,there's a Obama He's twenty one points above
Obama's two thousand uh two thousand andtwelve performance. Uh. Trump said has
had an eight percent increase over Romney'sperformance. Wow. And and what's crazy
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to Kent County, which is GrandRapids area has always been read until the
last two years. And you knowMichael will off here if you start to
investigate our Lieutenant Governor Darlin Gilchris neverheard of him before. The six foot
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eight guy went to You of themgraduated from you of them went out to
Seattle, worked for Microsoft two thousandand eight. He worked on Obama's campaign.
He's an IT guy. And thenhe moved to Washington, DC,
worked for move on dot org.And then he came to Detroit because that's
where his family strong and they wantedto raise their children near family. And
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at thirty two years old, thecity of Detroit created a director position for
him. At thirty two years old, Like that's how do you go from
all of that in just what sixto eight years after graduating from college.
So that's a curious enoughing. Well, then he ran for Detroit City Clerk
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and he had the backing. Hehad financial backing from all fifty states,
which is crazy. Who's interested inthe Detroit City clerk position? And his
platform was oh the He also hadleftover Bernie Pack money for that was dumped
into his campaign. Oh really,And that's interesting because I didn't think federal
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packs could dump into a municipal race. Well they did, according to I
believe a Detroit News article that Iwas reading. You know, when you
walk us down, we have plentyof time for extra research that I never
would have done before. Right,I mean, what happened with this whole
eighty five and Prop twenty two thinghere in California. There's a bunch of
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us that were affected by it,and then we got locked down and we're
like, watch out, Lorena Gunzalis, we can research now anyway, go
ahead, Well, actually, actuallywe need to take a quick break,
and so why do we save thatthat little tidbit for when we get back
from our break, and we'll we'llhave more in about right after these messages
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Download Just Listen to Yourself with KiaDavis on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever
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Network. Welcome back to Sounds Rightwith Jen and Scott. And I'm having
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a great time catching up with myfriend Jane that I haven't got it's been
over tech probably since I've seen her, but she's working in elections in Michigan
and was telling us about the DetroitCity Clerk that it's kind of a boy
wonder it sounds like, and hada lot of funding for this obscure position,
so go ahead of you were talkingabout the Bernie Pack, Yes,
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they had um when he actually ranfor this Detroit city clerk, but he
didn't make it. He lost byabout fifteen hundred votes, even with all
that, even with all of thatday, So that's quite curious to me
that an incumbent Republican keeps her positionin the city of Detroit and he's running
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on a platform of we need tohire new election workers and we need to
retrain election workers. That was thatwas his whole platform, and he still
did not make it. So outof the blue, Governor Whitmer comes along
on the scene and she's she reallywent to law school and went almost immediately
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into the House and then the Senate, and then took a couple of years
off and was then ran for governor. And we were like, who's who's
this woman? Her parents were inpolitics. Her father was head of Blue
Cross Blue Shield in Michigan, sothere's there's a lot of push behind there.
I think, wow, yeah,oh yeah. And I think her
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mother's a Democrat, her father's aRepublican, worked for Millican government Millican years
ago. Um. Yeah. Soit's it's deep seated swamp for sure.
And then she chooses Bill christ asher running mate, which is curious because
he's never he's never held any typeof public office, and he ran and
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he's like thirty six years old atthis point when she chooses him, and
I just our House and Senate isall Republicans, well, not all,
but our majority is Republican. Ifyou look at the state of Michigan,
it's mostly read except for a couplecounties over near Detroit, um Washingtock County,
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which is Anne Arbor and counts Moneyand Ingham County, which is Landing.
And now Kent, which I stillhave trouble thinking that Kent has really
slipped blue. But we've got anI professional now we have corruption with this
dominion software. You know, itdoesn't take much to put two and two
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together, Like was she even electedin the first place? Or did we
did we get duped with the lastelection two years ago? Scott, You're
kind of wanted to had more aboutKent County stats, right, Yeah?
No, I so this is actuallyinteresting, and I get reason why it
in Budding, says I was waitingfor I didn't know what she was way.
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She was continuing on her point.But but the issue that I see
here specifically is in in certain countiesthat she she brought up. So I
believe you said WASHINGTONA county, Yeah, that's Anne Arbor where University. Yeah,
so that's the only county in Ibelieve in all of Michigan that Trump
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didn't did not increase in in overtwenty twelve numbers, the only county in
Michigan that he did not increase inover twenty twelve. And Biden had a
thirty point thirty point advantage over twentyover Obama's twenty and twelve performance in Washington.
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Ah, so there's another example ofis this real? Is this legitimate?
What's going on here? I wouldsay Anne Arbor is very liberal,
very liberal, So it wouldn't shockme that Trump didn't gain numbers, but
to have a thirty percent increase overObama, that does surprise me a little
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bit. I think. Well,in addition, Trump had a twelve percent
increase over his twenty sixteen performance,so he had an additional fifty six hundred
votes eleven I would say twelve,it's eleven point eight percent, eleven point
eight percent increase, but again,eleven point eight percent increase, fifty six
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hundred votes more than he got intwo thousand, in two thousand and twelve,
in two thousand and sixteen, excuseme. Uh. And and that's
compared to double that twenty two percentuh in for Biden over Clinton in two
thousand Clinton's sixteen performance. So again, I just don't see how these massive
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giant numbers of jump. Again they'retalking again about Kent County. Uh,
there's a forty percent, thirty ninepoint ninety nine percent increase fifty three thousand,
three hundred and forty five votes aboveObama's turnout in that county. Now,
granted, let's just I want toput this out here that there is
a ten percent increase in population orin registered population in Kent County over the
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course of the last decade, orsince two thousand and twelve. So that's
a significant increase. However, notone to justify an additional forty percent increase
in Ottawa County. Ottawa County fiftyis fifty one percent increase over Obama's two
thousand and so twenty twelve performance,the twenty one thousand, eight hundred and
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twenty nine votes, So again,another another huge increase. You have to
go, wait, what's going onhere? How how come we're having these
massive jumps? Yeah, that thatis crazy. I have a hard,
very hard time believing that about Kenton, especially Ottawa, that is such a
little pocket of conservative christian um.I mean to have that larger than increase,
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I don't buy it. So thejust to clarify, and some of
these counties, Trump still won thecounty. However, Democrats had such an
advance that these other urban areas,uh, the Detroit's uh that these the
ann Arbors. I guess is thatthey were able to carry the state because
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of their increases. But I mean, we talk about we talk about Detroit.
We talked about the fact that Bidenunderperformed in Detroit. So how is
he underperforming in in Detroit? Andthen you go out a little bit and
all of a sudden, it's,oh, well, he's he's destroying it
here, He's destroying it, like, you know, doing so much better,
And you have to ask a question, what changed? What about about
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Biden is inspiring enough? I mean, Biden underperformed Obama's two and twelve turnout
by one point four to seven percentin Wayne County, So he he was
still eighty seven hundred votes short ofeighty seven eight eighty seven seventy two in
Wayne County. From what Obama wasable to turn out Now, granted,
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there was also a two point eightpercent drop in registered population in Wayne County
since two thousand and twelve. Uh, so there's a portion of it.
But again, uh, Trump hada twenty almost a twenty four percent increase
over twenty twelve this year and afifteen point three to five percent increase over
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his twenty sixteen turnout in Wayne County. So uh this idea that there was
some sort of mandate handed out inthese in these swing states statewide is an
absolute fiction because these only there's onlya few counties. We're talking in Michigan,
we're talking one too, probably abouteight or ten counties out of out
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of eighty three that rightly jumped thesemassive, huge increases, And you have
to start asking yourself the question wheredoes these massive increases come from? I
agree, I absolutely agree, andI think you'll ever find out, um
not if any of not if anyof our officials are are looking into it,
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because you've got Jocelyn Benson, theSecretary State. You've got Gretchen Whitmer,
and we have Dana Messil who's ourattorney general, and they have been
the three that have been driving alot of these executive orders and really having
each other's backs, like, we'renot going to break through in those people,
right, so there's really nobody inMichigan that's going to do it now.
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Our Supreme Court they sided against her. They the legislature took her basically
sued her to stop, and thatenforced her to work with our legislature.
And they dragged it out until SeptemberI believe September nine. Maybe, oh,
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they pushed it back a week afterthat, but still middle of September,
after they filed this in May,Like why in the world during I
mean this, this seems like they'rethey should have handled that a little faster.
For four months so we had afour three advantage for the Conservative judges
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or how they seem to vote.And there were two laws that she was
standing on that she said that shewas allowed to be a dictator, and
that was the nineteen forty five Act, and I can't quote what they are,
but and then there was another onein nineteen seventy six that detailed it
a little bit more that no,you can't just go rogue, you have
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to work with the legislature. Thenineteen forty basically said, you know it
in cases of emergency, the governorcan do things to right executive orders that
would be for public safety. Butthe seventies should have superseded the forty five.
But she was standing on that fortyfive. There was this grassroots movement
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from Unlocked Michigan or Stand Up Michigan. Two of them actually combined. We
had Stand Up Michigan first and thenwe had Unlocked Michigan and they combined forces
and got on the ground sellecting signaturesand we need to We needed to have
roughly four hundred thousand signatures on thisinitiative, and that was to repeal the
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nineteen forty five Act. That way, we didn't have to go through legislature,
because anything the legislature does, shejust vetoes it and throws it out.
They tried to they tried to passlegislature for don't put six people in
our nursing homes, and she detailedthat. So, I mean, her
mission has been clear. And butthat we've got we have more than four
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hundred thousand facts. We've got fivehundred thousand signatures and they were all verified.
They're sitting at the Secretary of StateJoscelyn Benson's office, and they're going
through it with a fine tooth comb. Of course they're taking their dear sweet
time, and who knows what willhappen with it, but it should repeal
that law so she can no rangerstand on it. Right. So the
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other thing that's interesting is that theChief Justice, Bridget McCormick, she was
up for reelection, and then therewas one of the conservative judges that was
retiring. He you can't run againafter you're seventy years old, so that
feat came open, and then herswas up for reelection. And when you
see all of the paraphernalia that camein the mail, you know, all
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the flyers that stuff our mail.The Democratic Party was pushing for Bridget McCormick.
And I had it right here,Elizabeth something as her name. I
can't find it right here. Ithought I had it right here. But
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Elizabeth ended up winning, and sodid Bridget McCormick. Now, the unlocked
Michigan and the stand up Michigan folks, we're talking like crazy, like we
need to have Rock Schwartzel and MaryKelly. Those are our constitutional judges.
Rock Schwartzel actually was He wrote theorder and opinion that was support our Karl
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the barber, which is another story. They tried to shut him down at
Red State covered a lot about him. Oh he's amazing. So he just
kept saying, now, if I'mgoing to still do this, cut hair,
and the court sided with him andBrock Swartzel is the one that wrote
that opinion in order, so hugegrassroots movement they are pushing for Schwartzel and
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Mary Kelly, and somehow in Michiganwe get the two Democratic ones justices push
through, right, Like, howdoes that happen? You also look at
all the races for Wayne State University, University of Michigan, Michigan State.
All of them were the Democrat candidates. So now the Democrats now control all
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of our public universities in Michigan.How is this happening when the rest of
the state is read and we havea red House in a red Senate.
See, and that's when we haveYeah, that's what we have in California.
And that's that. It makes meso mad at the people that are
always saying, we'll just leave California, go somewhere else, everywhere else is
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better. Just let California fall inthe ocean. No, Like, as
you're saying this is happening. What'shappened to California over the last two decades
is happening everywhere else. Now.It's insidious, like you can't get away
for it, and moving doesn't solvethe problem. People getting off their butts
and doing something can start solving theproblem. But that's my little rant.
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But I wanted to ask you aboutlike the so Wayne County is obviously in
the news for a lot of things, is a certification, but also back
in the day or two after theelection, for the ballot observers, I'm
sure if that's what you call them, when the people from either party can
watch the absentees being processed and countedand challenge them, what do you know
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about that? What they did thereand how procedure. So when we usually
have poll watchers come in and theycannot interfere with the election process, most
of them they come in and theyjust watch, and some of them are
they come in from a particular partyand just basically check off their list,
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and about five o'clock they'll leave andthey'll start making their phone calls. That's
in many of the counties, butin Wayne County there were many many eyes
on them, and they are pollchallengers, so they are not allowed to
touch any of the materials, butthey may look. And they also changed
it from the primary election where becauseof COVID they made the new rule that
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the poll watchers and challengers needed tostay six feet away, while they threw
that out with all the executive orders. And there was actually a court case
from I don't I don't know whichparty. I'm guessing it would be the
Republican party that says, hey,wait a minute, you can't mess with
election laws. Yes, COVID isimportant, but we need to be able
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to see these election materials up.Both impersonal and the judge agreed they could
not require people to wear masks inthe precincts because the election laws trumped any
of the COVID executive orders that thegovernor was putting out and the Secretary of
State, so they did not evenhave to say six feet away. In
Michigan. But what I saw happening, I saw the video of Wayne County
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just keeping them out but allowing theDemocrat challengers and poll watchers to come in,
and then actually keeping them so farbehind, so far away that then
they were putting hard board in thewindows, so they couldn't even see into
the room at all. Like thatis so illegal, you cannot do that.
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The only reason you could not havea poll watcher or a poll challenger
in there is if they were interferingwith the election workers in them going about
their business, but there were Therewas nothing that was claimed by any election
officials saying well, we had tothrow them out because they were touching the
materials or they were talking to us. Because you can a challenger and a
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poll watcher, they can only speakto the precinct chair. They can't speak
to any of the voters. Theycannot speak to any of the workers,
only the precinct chairs. So theycan observe. They can they can have
their phones there to mark things off. Um, but that's all they can
do. And that's all that I'vethat I've heard, that's all that was
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happening there. So I don't knowwhy they were thrown out. Some of
them they simply went to go usethe restroom and we're not allowed to be
to come back in. Wow,So see to me, see to me.
I don't understand why we don't justwhy they don't literally burn the place
of the ground. And I'm not. I don't mean to be like,
that's not literal, I guess figurative, and way I would I would make
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such a stink to the point whereI was actually being arrested, to be
dragged off the property because I'd wantthe news media. They're saying, all
I'm trying to do is watch andthey won't let me nearby. Why what
are they hiding? What are theywhat are they trying to to to cover
up here? And so it's soinordinately frustrating that that that's that, that's
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the case. Yes, I agree, And they did have a lot of
people coming in, and of course, you know your left friends are saying,
oh, they had an angry mob. Of course they have to keep
them out. The angry mob wassaying, let them in, let them
in. They weren't trying to youknow, break down the doors or anything,
right, and some of the otherexcuses, Oh, well, the
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building was that capacity. If you'veever been to the TCF Center, I
mean it's it's big. It's ahuge convention center. It's now called it's
now called the TCF Center, butit used to be called Cobo Hall.
And there's a people mover that goesaround Detroit, inter city Detroit. There
it will bring you close to likeTiger Stadium and Ford Field. It goes
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to Greektown and there's a stop rightin Cobo Hall or the TCF Center.
So I mean, that's how bigof a place this was. That was
actually the same building that was usedas one of the field hospitals when COVID
first hit. And ironically, onlythirty nine people were treated for COVID in
the Cobo Hall even though there wasplenty of room. Nolpe Governor Whitmer sent
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them to the nursing homes instead tokill off our seniors. So it's interesting
that that's owned by the City ofDetroit, run by the City of Detroit,
and all the Shenanigans seem to happenthere lately. I just don't understand
it. And it's always comes downto the City of Detroit. And I
mean, we have this electoral processfor the rest of the country, why
don't we have it within our stateBecause we have, like you said,
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eighty three counties and it comes downto these eight counties deciding everything for the
rest of us. We are notlike this in Michigan, which it's mortifying
to me that Whitmer is what peoplethink of when they think of Michigan now,
because there are so many beautiful peoplehere and it's a gorgeous state,
beautiful beaches, and we have herlike representing us and tearing it down,
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tearing it apart. It's so frustrating. It is, it is, And
I don't know if we have timeto go into this now before another break.
Now we got we gotta take abreak right now. But let's let's
save the last little segment here totalk more a little bit more about the
ray percussions of all this and whatit means for the state of Michigan and
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potential for the Trump campaign to potentiallyturn the election in Michigan. So we'll
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Today, this is Sounds Right withJen and Scott, the FCBING Radio Network.
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Welcome back to Sounds Right with Jenand Scott. We are here with
Jane, our electoral process expert.I know she won't accept that title,
but I'm gonna give it to herfor Michigan. And we were talking a
little bit more about the certification processand what's going on with counting and recounts
in the state of Michigan. Andso let's talk a little bit more about
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this certification process and how it works. Maybe you could tell us a little
bit about how certifying the vote wouldwork, say in your county where you've
you have quite a bit of experience, and then from your best experience about
how it would occur in a countylike Wayne County for Detroit. So why
don't tell us a little bit moreabout way it would be certified in your
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county? Okay, So, typicallywhat we do is we close up,
we must balance if there are anymissing ballot whatsoever. Like, we don't
go home. We stay there untileverything balances. And and that's by the
way, that's the way, that'sstandard operating procedure. Everywhere I've ever worked
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on a political campaign, and thatis elections club. You know, election
night, if you have to staythe night to count every ballot, you
stay the night to count every ballot. When five states in concert all stop
counting and said they were going homethat night, I was calling foul immediately.
It made no sense. YEA,yeah, exactly. So what happens.
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Then we go over we go oour results with an intern ernal receiving
board, and then it goes tothe county receiving board and then they have
a certain amount of time. Idon't know the exact date that they have
to certify by, but I thinkit's next week is the date that it
needs to be certified. So theand I have been called back to that
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counting board on one occasion because Imissed one signature and had to drive back
over to the headquarters for that countyand make sure I had my little,
my little John Hancock on there.But they go over everything with a fine
toothcomb, and any irregularities they wouldbe calling the precinct chairperson immediately and they
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would say, we can't certify thisuntil we figure out why, like if
there's any missing ballots, whatsoever.There's got to be a really good explanation.
So hearing how they're you know,some of these other counties, like
even out down in Georgia. Oh, look, we found these twenty six
hundred ballots that weren't counted. Thatwould never ever happened, because if you're
twenty six hundred ballots short, there'sthere's a reason for it, and we
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need to figure that out. Andthat is massive fraud because that's obviously if
you're not off like one, oneor two ballots because somebody miscounted or put
in a transposed number or something whenyou were entering it into the e poll
book, it would that would bea massive red flag. Nothing should be
certified with that many outstanding votes,which we're seeing not just in Michigan,
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we're also seeing this in Georgia.I mean they they have two counties that
have had over twenty five hundred voteseach that have county yes ten thousand in
the cab county today that and againeach time these all these ballots are counted,
guess what ends up happening. Alittle bit of the margin is narrowed,
and so fourteen thousand vote margin isnow twelve thousand in Georgia as a
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result of this recount, showing allthese ballots, that ten thousand ballots into
Cab County that just show up.So I can understand why the certification process
would take longer in in certain countiesbecause they're founding these these ballots. And
again talk about a complete lack ofof self awareness when when the Democrats are
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telling us we need to trust theprocess, we need to trust the electoral
process, and it continues to failus in real time every day. Now
to the tune of all, youknow, fifteen thousand votes at no,
we're twenty one, twenty five thousandvotes in two states. I mean that's
that's a huge number, a hugenumber, right, And uh, and
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so we we've got to I mean, we've got to keep our eyes open.
We've got to pay attention this.We've got to watch this process.
And it's like Dems are just saying, no, you don't get to watch
it. You get to deal withthe fact that we're in charge. So,
Okay, this dead stabler guy fromWayne County said, and I don't
know if this is what the videoactually says because I haven't watched it,
but allegedly he said that only seventytwo percent of the ballots are recountable,
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but that they should be certified anywaybecause it was worse during the primary.
What first, what does he meanby recount that recountable? And why wouldn't
all of the votes be recountable?Honestly, I don't know why. There
should be no reason for that unlessI know why. I'm not. I'm
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not trying to I'm not trying tobe it's because it's because some of the
ballots, some of the machines didnot keep the paper copies of the ballots,
so it was all digital. Butseventy two that's like twenty eight percent.
They didn't keep paying. That's unacceptable, right, And I don't know
what Michigan state law is regarding digitalmachines, because some states require that a
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digital machine, even if it's digital, still prints a paper ballot in that
paper ballots. Yes, that wasmy next question. I've actually never heard
of that at all in all theelections that I've done that some are paper,
some are electronic. That doesn't happen. Like when I whatever unused ballots
that I have, I have toput a seal with a signature of a
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Democrat and a Republican on each seal, and I seal the unused ballots so
that they can go through and see, yep, these are the ballots she
was given. These are the ballotsthat were counted, and these are the
ballots that were unused. So thoseballots are kept for twenty two months.
So there so that they can goback for twenty two months and see the
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actual paper ballots. I don't thinkthat Wayne County would be any different than
any other county in Michigan. Sohaving some electronic votes in some paper no,
well, again again they should havekept them. We found We've already
found this is a curd in Pennsylvania. Some of the things they've done in
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Pennsylvania's like separate the mail ballots fromtheir envelopes because now we can't determine what
ballots were postmarked, and when theywere postmarked, and when they came back
when they were checked in, sothere's no way of determining some of this.
I think the same thing has occurredin Pennsylvania where they had some ballots
that were all electronic. They didnot keep the paper ballots from those electronic
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I throw them all out. Twentypercent that they can't recount. They don't.
They didn't happen that ye, Andif I don't disagree with you,
let me put it that way.I don't think that necessarily it should if
there's a law that states in Michigan, and I don't know if there is.
Again, is there a law.Let me ask you a question.
Is there a law that every electronicmachine should have a paper ballot or is
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required to have a paper ballot?I don't know that for sure, but
I know that in the counties thatI've worked in, I've never heard that
you can do both. And again, we didn't use the dominion system,
so I know that ours has thecapability of scanning because that helped. It
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helped tremendously with the right in ballots. We used to have to go through
all of the go through every singleballot to find the right ins. And
then you know, you always getyour fair share of Mickey Mouse or George
Washington that they're voting for. Idid get um, you know, Kanye
West, and its actually scammed itand it will print it up on our
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little tabulator tape when I run awrite in report. So these machines have
the capability of once they're run throughstoring that record. I have not heard
of Michigan being able to have justelectronic votes. I'm gonna call foul on
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that one because I just don't andby the way that carries that that that
matches up with the data that we'veseen or the example I've seen elsewhere in
the country. You don't have straightdigital vote. There is always a hard
copy of a ballot that's printed froma digital machine that is inserted into So
even though that those ballots are supposedlycounted instantaneously because there's a digital count,
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they're all backed up with a paperballot. If there is no paper ballot
backed up in this particular case inWayne County, where they're saying, well,
we don't have the ability to recountthose those ballots, then then I
have to say, well, ifthe state law states that there has to
be a paper ballot attached to adigital vote, every single one of those
twenty eight percent or whatever of thoseof those ballots has to be thrown out.
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Sorry, that's the law, chum. And again, the problem that
exists is that people are going tobe mad at Trump and Republicans once some
of these ballots are eventually thrown out, not at the Democrat elections officials who
bummed it up in the first place. I mean, that's that's that's the
biggest frustration to me. If theyhad done it right, let's count every
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one of these ballots. Every legalballot should be counted, stop talking about
anything else. Every legal ballot shouldbe counted. But when we suddenly say,
well, illegal ballots should be counted, well, who determines who the
legal who balances illegal or legal orillegal? And that's the state legislature.
And if an a county elections officialor a state elections official, or an
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attorney general or a governor or secretaryof state determines that they wanted to enforce
something differently than the law, thatwhatever that policy change in is is unenforceable
because it was not done through theconstitutional process, through the legislature. Full
stop. Yeah, yep, Iagree. And if we do actually get
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our audit for Wayne County and Washingtonand Ingham, if we actually do get
those, they need to take everybodyout that's already been in there, bring
in new people from other counties,bring some people from the up like all
people that maybe have not worked together, have Democrat Republicans together yes, yep.
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And so get those Wayne County peopleout of there so we can see
what they did, and because otherwiseyou're just gonna have the same people sweeping
the same stuff under the same rug. So I my suggestions are to do
that in Oakland County as well,wash Na County, Kent County, Ottawa
County. These are the counties thatI'm seeing where your seat where you see
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these massive jumps and votes. Again, I don't know what the where that
when if they like they did inPennsylvania, I don't know if they're ignoring
the the deadline for return of mailballots. I just can't understand how a
county like Kent, which has beenreliably read it was read even in two
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thousand and sixteen, if according tomy data here narrowly read but still read
nonetheless two sixteen suddenly goes back itwas read in two thousand and twelve as
well. It was blue in twothousand and eight, but read in both
two thousand and four and two thousand. Sorry, I've got data out the
wads who here. But again goingback to the fact that these these counties
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suddenly, I mean, this countywent from one forty eight to one thirty
eight one hundred and forty eight thousandto one hundred and thirty eight thousand Trump
in favor. Trump jumped to onehundred and sixty five thousand and three eighteen
this election cycle, So an additionalseventeen thousand votes cast and then and then
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all of a sudden, Democrats castan additional forty eight thousand ballots above their
two thousand. Uh, there're twothousand and sixteen turnout their two thousand and
sixteen advantage. Again, I don'tbuy it. That's where I think that
Jane's idea about having people that don'tknow each other, that are trained in
this from different areas of the state, come in and go through this is
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the best thing to do because ifit's there, if there's nothing to see,
and if it's legit, then noone should have anything to worry about.
That's what I keep saying, right, and then everyone will have confidence
and then and to me, atthe I mean, of course I want
Trump to win because Biden actually colmalistcarethe hell out of me. But at
this point it's not about Trump orwinning or Biden winning. In my mind,
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it's about can I ever have faithin casting my vote again. Right,
I agree, And that's and that'sgonna be a hard sell for a
lot of people, Jen, becauseI think that I think a lot of
people are going to come out andsay, wait, you just want me
to believe that everything's cool here.Everyone everyone looked the other way, No
problem here, Biden's you know,Biden took over Biden's I just and the
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fact that the Michigan Attorney generals outthere tweeting that they've had this great US
safe secure. It's just wonderful,perfect elections, tremendous, as Trump would
say, is insane. And thenshe tweets right after that I picked the
wrong week for sniffing glue. Shutup, lady, right, I mean
baby sniff glue some more, Imean oak Oakland County. We're talking about
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ninety thousand votes above two thousand andsixteen's numbers, eighty four thousand votes above
a vote of Obama's two thousand andtwelve turnout in just Wayne County. We're
talking about sixty seven thousand ballots.McComb County is forty nine thousand ballots,
forty eight thousand ballots in Kent twentyeight thousand ballots, and washed Nah yeah,
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you know what numbers do to me. Now, Scott, I get
it over. But we're the reasonI've put Michigan in a reach category for
Trump in overturning the election, becauseit's one hundred and fifty thousand vote lead
for Biden. But when you starttalking about ninety thousand votes in Oakland and
you know forty eight thousand votes inKent, you're almost you're one hundred and
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thirty eight thousand ballots just in thosetwo counties, right. And then if
you had a full audit of theentire state, Right, if you're suddenly
talking about McComb at forty nine andforty nine thousand, and Wayne in another
sixty seven thousand, you're two hundredand what two hundred and fifty thousand votes
just in those counties. I mean, that's a massive, huge number that
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you've got to start saying. Andmaybe there's something to this. Maybe there
is something to the fact that therewas either wholesale fraud or computer malfunction with
dominion, or a combination of thetwo that led to this massive swing.
I mean it, I've never seenin my and all the time I've worked
in elections that massive, much massiveof swing in just five states. It
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didn't occur anywhere else exactly. Well, what is what is up with this
rush to certify Wayne County? Andyou have two so their canvasing board or
yeah, their camvasing board is twoDemocrats and two Republicans. And there were
so many irregularities that the two Republicanswere like, no, we are not
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certifying. And they came out andthey said, no, we're not certifying.
President Trump tweets, great way tostand up. Let's look into this
further. Great job being strong,standing up. And then there's a press
release from our lovely Governor Whitmer andshe I haven't pulled up here right now.
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It says, in refusing to approvethe results of the election in Wayne
County, the two Republican members ofthe Wayne County Board of Canvassers have placed
parties in politics above their legal dutyto certify the election results. The people
have spoken. Joe Biden one Michiganby more than one hundred forty thousand votes.
Today's action is a blatant attempt toundermine the will of the voters.
The process, however, will moveforward under Michigan law. The Board of
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State canvassers will now finish the job, and I have every expectation they will
certify the results when the job isdone. But my question is to that.
My question is to that is theirjob not to certify based upon the
legally correct method of certifying the election? So if they even if it were
one person that decided not to certifythe election, if they're doing it I'm
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based upon a legitimate list of concernsthat they have with the process. Is
that not fully illegal? And shouldit not be expected? I mean,
I don't understand this idea that likewe just have to certifying there doesn't be
any correction, questions or corrections.I mean to me that that's anti process.
Well, we're just going to passit and then once we pass it,
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we'll see what's in it. Youknow, that's right, it's the
senttality. We don't have to followthe process. Just trust us, don't
look in there, and it willall be fine. But by one,
just trust us that by mue likehe didn't, there's no way he won.
There is no way, and thatprocess is so if I did my
job the way that Wayne County hasdone their job, I would not be
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asked back to do another election,because that's that's not the way it's done.
So what were you going to sayright at the when you finished reading
Whitmer's statement. Well, it's it'sreally intimidation, is what it is.
Like they were going to stand upand say, no, this isn't right.
We're not certifying yet until this welook into this further. And she
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comes out with her a little decreeagain on her press release, and within
twenty minutes of them say of Trump'stweets, they went certified it. Anyway.
It's like they think if they certifyit that that thing can ever change
it right rightly, technically that's notwrong, though, Jen, because a
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vote takes a lot compared to toto make correcting a vote before it's certified.
I agree. But if you findthat someone's been intimidated or threatened to
and they're doing their job and orthen you uncover massive fraud, I think
that that would be It's not likeit can't be undone. Well, Governor
super Karen has a real problem withanyone everyone uh disagreeing with her, and
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unfortunately we don't have the likely thechances of really having an honest discussion with
this without it, and so Iwant to take a quick second to thank
Jane for her fantastic input today.We wouldn't have had nearly as an informative
of a show without her. Jane. I would normally at this point tell
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tell our guests to pimp themselves outand say where we can find them,
But in order to save you theheadache of all of the idiots out there
that would try to docks people,we are going to pass on that for
you today. But in the future, maybe we'll be able to have you
back with a less contentious environment andyou'll be able to share with everyone where
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they can find you on social mediaor be able to follow you and that
sort of stuff. So thank youso much for having us or having us
and being on the show. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. Thanks
again for Yeah, if our statewasn't run by thugs, I'd be happy
to share my information. But Ithink i'll pass this. We know exactly
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how what that means where we are. Well, at least we're in a
profession where it's a little more difficultfor them to target us because it would
be well known why they were targetingus. But right I'll just tell everyone
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