April 24/25 - Dogman & Bigfoot : Do They Walk Among US? w/ Bryan Bowden

Tonight we talk Bigfoot & Dogman with Sir Bryan Bowden

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to space Out Radio DAPT. That was radio show
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be a fantastic show tonight. We have Brian Bowen and
joining us bringing us some real some goodies here tonight
for hours one or two, as well as Steve Stoctor
tells and told missing person mysteries for our three and
UFO Tim James. Let's go ahead and get this thing
started in about twenty seconds. As we go ahead and

(00:29):
welcome in a few more people here. We got Tim James, Yeah,
he's in the back for sure. Panda on Fire as well,
Pat Fisher, Pat Fisher, thanks coming in, Robert Lamart Junior.
All right, Robinson man the night. Yeah guess it seems
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a fantastic show tonight. We're getting into conversation with Sir
Brian Bowden, always interesting conversation for hours wanted to. Then
we'll have Steve Stocktor Telles and told miss in person
mysteries for our three along with Tim James coming in
with the UFO Report. Should be awesome or maybe the

(02:17):
very normal report. I don't know. We'll see how he
plays it tonight. As we go ahead and you get
ready to jump right on into the show and bring
our guests up he's none other than the man with
one hundred thousand podcasts. Now, mister Sir Brian Bowden, like,
I don't know what it's called you mister sir or sir.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
The only reason why the sir is there is because
I'm I'm I'm an actual night's templar. But other than that,
I just go by whatever. Literally, I will answer to anything.
I'm a middle child, so i'd usually like, you know, hey,
you whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. I like it awesome
that the once again like the stars line. We now
it's a g and Sir Brian Boden show tonight, I
expect it to be awesome. I know you bring it
every time. So what do you know?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
They Dave said, can you do some stuff? And I'm
doing it? So whatever, I got some I got an
exclusive tonight for the most part. So first time it's
ever from what I understand, first time it's been really seen.
But I could be wrong, and you know, could be
some special people out there may have access to what
I had or have and you'll be seeing. But it's

(03:30):
it's a very interesting and I think fairly recent.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
So all right, dog a.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Blow our minds, Blow our minds. And for you know,
I don't. I know there's family here. In family, they
all know who you are. They don't need to know.
But I always count on the people that are just
coming in first time or seeing you for the first time.
Let's talk about Brian Boden. What got you to where
you are, why you do what you do.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I'm always been interested in in ultimately the paranormal, which
encompasses ghost hunting, UFOs, encryptids like Locknest, Monster and Bigfoot. Yetty,
then you have to throw in the dog Man, which
I really didn't want it to be a real thing,
but I've had my own personal encounters very close up
with it, and I just investigate everything. And I've been

(04:20):
investigating for a long long time. Started my you know,
I started being interested in it as a young person.
Not much information. We didn't have the internet back then.
We had you know, do we decimal system and in
the library, the didn't have much stuff. But as we
started getting older and had access to travel, I would

(04:43):
go and investigate and I started interviewing people that have
had experiences with UFOs or abductions, and it just blossoms
from there. I got questions, a lot of them and
I want to answers just like everybody else. So that's
what I've been doing. And sometimes it's really stupid and

(05:03):
dangerous depending on what state you're in and what you
can carry with you and what you can't. But so far,
knock on wood, we'll find it someplace. Cigarette box, it's
been okay, it's been good. But I've had a couple
of close calls with several of these different type of
cryptids that you can be unnerving, really unnerving.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
That's a great place to start, Ashley, because when you
think about the cryptid world, you think of more like
creatures or monsters just for the person who's just getting
into this, So you would think that that's where you'd
get a lot of that sort of energy from. You
kind of refer to that a little bit here by
saying that you've had experiences that may not have been

(05:52):
the best. Won't you give us a few of those,
just kind of go over some that you felt not
so good about.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Something fit early recent I don't remember if I discussed
it prior, but I had a couple of people that
I'm in a fraternal organization, and these people wanted, you know, like, hey,
can we see a bigfoot. I said, yeah, well, I
got a couple of good spots. And when I came
back last summer to New York area, I went to

(06:19):
a space up upstate New York, and I told him
just follow the road and then it's gonna it's gonna
branch out. It's gonna why stay to the right, do
not go left. So I've been moving. I lived down
in Florida for the most part now, and then I
just I do come up back up to New York.
So I was kind of getting some stuff up and gear,

(06:40):
and I told him that when you get to when
you get to the make the right at the y
you know you're gonna go up about one hundred yards
and there should be a couple of trees and crossing
the path. Stop there, because I'm gonna be in the
in the back end bringing up some you know, equipment,
my bags, making sure everybody's getting up there and where
we're hiking up and and I'd started hearing help, like

(07:06):
like really bad, like a scream, like like bad help.
I'm like, what the heck just happened? So I ran
up above. I'm like, what's going on? And when I
ran I ran to where I'm like, are you okay?

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Are you okay?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
And he my buddy was frozen and white is a ghost,
like really really bad. I thought it was going to
pass out. I'm like, are Uka, did you get bit
by something? He goes look because I was focused on him,
and maybe twenty to twenty five yards away was a

(07:39):
dog man and I'm gonna say it was a young
dog man, probably about six seven feet tall, pointed ears,
big snout and like an extended snout, black in the fur,
no gray, it's just it was dark.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
You can see these.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Eyes and they're big, and the front canine like it
was I guess growling or you know, showing its teeth
like a dog would do, and saliva everywhere, and I'm like,
oh crap. I said to go go to the right,
and we backed up. I said we're gonna go. You know,

(08:20):
I got him.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I said, it's okay, don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Just let's back. Let's go back. And they started turning around.
I said, no, no, no, no, do not turn your back
to them. Start walking. You never turn your back to
a predator whatsoever. That's when they pounce on you. So
I had him walk backwards. I think he soiled himself
at that point, and I realized that what happened is

(08:45):
I haven't been there in a while. That pathway to
the right was overgrown and there was they must have
had some fire damage or whatever. He missed it. He
went the wrong path. So where we're where we were going.
If you have if you have big foot in an area,
there's usually a dogmen in the area, and there's some

(09:06):
kind of barrier between the two to say you stay
on your side of the fence, will stay on ours.
And the dogmen usually they're just pains something, you know what,
and they like to start stuff, so they'll they'll straddle
that border and do stupid things, kind of egging them on,

(09:28):
you know, especially the younger ones. So when we got
out of there, he was just like like shaking with
a leaf. The other guy was like, what the heck
was that? And I said, that's what we call a
dog man. It's like a werewolf, but it doesn't transform
into it. You know, most people when you say were wolf,

(09:48):
they think of the movies, right, So a man transforming
into some creature. Dogment are just dogmen. It's there's no
difference between that and a bigfoot in general, it's it's
a species of creature. It always is as it is.
They too can go into dimensional so if you want
to get on the wu side of it, they have
the ability to change their molecular structure and go from

(10:11):
physical flesh and blood into different forms of energy until
they go interdimensionally. So I'm like, are you okay? He's
really you know, he looked real bad. And I said,
you want to go, We'll go up the other path,
We'll go see the and they were like, no, take
me out of here. And we It didn't last long

(10:32):
and we went back to the parking area and he
didn't say a word on the way home. And he
still hasn't talked to me, None of them have. So
I mean that that's a close encounter. That's for someone
you know, they're thinking, oh, I'm going to see a bigfoot,
you know, giant monkey. And let me tell you something,
if they if they came up on a bigfoot that

(10:53):
was that size, they still would have been in that
kind of like shock. But it's it's you don't expect
to see a werewolf in your lifetime or a monster.
And I called him, I called him a couple of times.
He won't pick up the phone, call, doesn't text back.
I've asked a couple of other people and the and

(11:16):
is he okay, He's like, he won't talk to you.
I don't know what you guys did up there, but
he was.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
He was.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
He's totally different. He doesn't want to do anything. He
doesn't like to be in the dark. He doesn't, he's
he's it's crazy. And and that happens to people if
you're not prepared for something, you know, it's it's a
natural reaction. Some people just react well to certain uh problems,

(11:45):
and some people don't, you know, they just can't handle it.
Dogm So somebody asked who how big the dogman was?
This one was like a juvenile. So it's about six
to seven feet tall, maybe seven and a half feet.
I had a guess, I mean, and there was some
rush in front of him, So I don't know the
exact height, because you know, he could have been eight

(12:06):
feet or nine feet tall. I don't know, but it
looked fairly younger. They can get really really tall, upwards
of fifteen feet. Yeah, that's over a story. It's a
story and a half.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
So let me ask you this, right, because I always
think about this. I always think about Okay, we're used
to hearing these stories in this community, you know, and
always think about the people that come from the outside. Okay,
they just tune in right now. They just turned on
spaced out radio. They hear dog Man, which is an
apparently half man half dog in its appearance, and for them,

(12:42):
they're like, whoa, So when you first learned about dog Man,
did you have the same feeling about what you were
being told until you had the experience? What kind of
brought it around for you?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, you know, I mean being in the feel for
a while and seeing Bigfoot and having interaction with it,
and the evidence of a Yetti, which is basically a
Bigfoot of Tibet. When someone said the dog Man and
that that's someone was a buddy of mine. Al He's like,

(13:17):
you got to listen to this, bro. There's this creature
and this cryptid and it's like Bigfoot but it's like
a werewolf looking thing, and there's seven I mean, like
all these stories were like, Okay, we've jumped the shark.
You know that term when everybody uses jump the shark,
or they used to use it. It's when if you've
ever watched happy days when Finzi jumped the shark tank.

(13:38):
That's when we've gone past the point of of you know,
of reality, and people are making stuff up. And I've
had plenty of conversations publicly and even on the air
about it, like, you know, I haven't had one. I
don't know, you know, I'm like, I'm not discrediting what
people see and what they believe. There's because you weren't there.

(14:02):
But it was kind of far fetched. And what really
got me was, as you know, and you use something similar.
I don't give my personal information out to too many
people because you have a personal life and whatever, and
and and when I tell you I don't give it out,
I don't. You know, if you have my phone number,

(14:24):
there is a connection there were like, you know whatever,
And I don't abuse it. You know, most of people
that haven't don't abuse it. No one's writing it on
the gas station, you know, wall the bathrooms or whatever,
except for Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
But so.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I take that part of me differently. I don't have
a you know, it was at a time when when
cell phones were expensive. So you make a four dollar
phone call, Hey, I'm around the corner, I'm coming home.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know, that's how much it was. Now it's free,
Like you can call I go Canada right now, talk
for ten hours and it's going to cost me nothing.
But you know, and I didn't have a private number.
That was before the Google you know, all the Google
numbers and all that other stuff, which I do implement
now for the most part.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
But I get a.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Phone call from a number and I'm gonna put it
in the chat so you can actually see it. And
it comes up on my phone as this, and it
says so it's in the chat, it's all zero's for
the call or I D and it says USG.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Now I've had that.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I've had that phone number come to me before because
somebody thought they were slick as a collection agent and
and said that they were the US Marshalls and they
had a warrant for me and I owe money and
all this other stuff. But apparently it was a different
Brian Boden that I lived in Texas. You know, I've
only been in Texas one time, travel from point A

(16:00):
to point B.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
And I said, I have family members in law enforcement,
and I know people that are federal officers. They don't
like when you impersonate police officer, you know, federal agent.
They really don't like it. So he kept it up.
The idiot call from his cell phone number not a
good thing. So I actually made a complaint to the

(16:23):
US Marshals and you leave that information, you give him
your stuff, and I get a phone call back from
that same zero ID but it says instead at Gov,
it says United States Marshall's Southern District, New York. Pick
up the phone. Hello, I'm talking to Detective Benindetti. I

(16:46):
tell him what's going on. He goes, if he calls back,
let us know. But I doubt he's going to be
calling you back because I'm sure they were, like they
went and paid him a visit, and I know what
they do. I have friends that are in that industry.
They do not like it. That was the stupidest thing
he can do. So when I got this, I was like,

(17:06):
I didn't file any complaints or you know it. Maybe
some I don't know, maybe it's government related. I have
no idea. And I pick up the phone and there
was a guy on the other end and he said,
she don't believe in this. The dog man, you don't
believe in that there's this seven eight foot werewolf looking

(17:26):
creature out there in the woods. I said, well, I'm like,
who are you like? That's not of importance. You see
my caller ID you know, And we started talking for
a bit, probably about an hour. He was gracious enough
to talk to me for an hour and started telling
me what he does. He's part of a special unit

(17:47):
that goes to military bases and other places like some
of the national parks and preserves, and their job is
to take care of these dog men, bigfoot and other
things that come out and cause a hazard to people.
I said, well, what do you do with them? Well,

(18:10):
we usually take them out and then we airlift them
out and what happens to them after that is none
of your business.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
So seeing is how someone like that has more to
lose than gain by saying it, because they do saying,
you know, a non disclosure agreement. It's the military, it's
it's a covert type of operation. Things started changing, and
then you know, I started listening to some of the

(18:39):
encounters and they weren't that many.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
There was only like one.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I think Vic Kundiff was the real main person involved
in that. And you start hearing the encounters and then
you start seeing some of the you do more research.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
On it, and you know what their tells are when
you go in.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
The woods, like Bigfoot will twist the you know, brand
bunch a tree or stars on the ground. They'll break
trees off and they'll lean them against other trees or
create x's And then you find out what Dogmen does.
And Dogmen is like, you know, like, oh oh yeah,
hold my beer boom, and they rip trees out of
the ground. More so turn them upside down and make

(19:19):
those structures. And that's pretty impressive. I'm talking about three
foot diameter tree. It's not a lightweight thing. And then
you have an encounter with one and you're standing like
twelve to fifteen feet from it. It's in the shadow.
And I've told this anything the last time. I'm on

(19:42):
a three foot grade and I'm six foot one, so
it makes me nine feet one inches tall. I'm urinating
after a paranormal investigation where we heard the ground and
we heard the barks, but I thought that's dogs. But
when we left there, it was on the passenger's side
where I had to get into my buddy's jeep, and

(20:02):
so he's like, let's go, let's go. And I'm like, no, dude,
I broke the seal. So I did an Austin Powers
on the side of the road. I just couldn't stop peeing.
It was like a lot of you know, and wasn't
from fear whatsoever. And this thing was sitting there and
sitting on its haunches like as if like if you
said to a German shepherd, sit and they would sit
there and they're ready to move at any moment. And

(20:24):
the ears were up and there was a big snout
and it was in shadow, and part of it was
behind a big tree that fell. And I'm realizing because
I knew dogs. I grew up with show dogs and
I know people that are trainers, and I'm like, I'm
peeing in front of this thing. And I'm saying to
this this is dog speak CA nine speak. When you

(20:46):
pee in front of another dog, or pee on a dog,
you're the alpha and they're the bach.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yes, So yeah, I mean it gets a little bit crazy.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
So my buddy's screaming like getting the car, getting the
come and Levey here, and I'm like, no, you don't
want to deal with my wife, you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
So after a few minutes.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
This thing just kind of like in one fluid moment,
the movement just went down behind that log in the shadows,
and I got the goose pimples and I said, it's
time to get out of dodge, and we peeled out
of there. And from that point forward, I've had a
couple other encounters with them and they they, yeah, I

(21:29):
didn't pee on the document, but someone someone truth seeker,
but it's it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Out of fear.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
It was just really I didn't want to relieve myself
on a grave of like three hundred bodies. It's just disrespectful.
But we did find the dog man. It literally was
several of these three foot diameter trees upside down like
an umbrella, and it was just.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
It was just really weird.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And the way the people that lived in the area
came in real quick looking what will be doing and
bugged you know, bugged out out, so they knew more
than we did. But yeah, that's when it really started.
And then I was like, oh crap, this thing's real.
You know, this is like ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
And so I heard you mentioned earlier that dog men
and bigfoot are gonna normally be found in close proximity
to each other, which makes sense for me. But here's
the thing. So we look at a bigfoot experiencer or
researcher like a Dave Scott's been out there many times
seen bigfoot or had some sort of interaction, but it's

(22:35):
never seen a dog man. Now, I want to ask
you this, is it more so that they are not
seen dog man or is it possible that their experiences
are being confused or intertwined into one experience.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
So I know experiences that Davis had, you know, we're
friends off air, there are I think he's had more
bigfooting counters. I think he's seen images of the dog
man from a friend at some of their property. And

(23:12):
but you have a good point there. It's a great
question because if they're both, you think infrasound and infrasound
is a wave that will prey on your nerves and
it gets you uneasy and then gets you freaked out.
The first use of infrasound publicly in entertainment, so you know,

(23:34):
was the movie The Exorcist. And that's why the movie
was so creepy because it preyed on the infrasound that
levels and they touched at certain hurts that just make
you very uncomfortable. So if you start getting uncomfortable or
you get freaked out and you get that wave at you,
you know it. You know, even a chipmunk could be

(23:57):
looked at as as something, you know, more spectacular than
it is. So they may have misidentified because of that,
or he may have misidentified.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I don't want to speak for Dave, but you know it,
they have been seen in the woods.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I don't like a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Of the the Blob dogs photos. You know, they have
Blob Squatch photos.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Hold right there, we got Bryan Boden. We're getting in
this really good stuff here in normal talk, dog man Talk,
Bigfoot Talk, whatever you need right here on space Out Radio,
the after hours radio show. Addition, because I'm feeling in
today with Scott tonight, we'll be right back right after
the break. All right, we are clear clear?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Thank you, Hey, Paramov, thank you very much of the links.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
And and awesome stuff. Yeah, let me who else jumped in?
I think Para Mar jumped in late, so Pearra Mar,
thanks for coming on in. He'll Billy Herb. I don't
remember saying your name. I know they refuted snuck in here.
F A p as well and Joanne, I see you
out there, mistrel or my strel. Misterl see you as well.

(25:28):
I just lost your name right here. Also who else
Insibil Zensi Bil, thanks for coming on in, and Kevin
Kennedy t M. I appreciate showing up up tonight. Blue
Cruise also snuck in here.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Oh I thought you said blue chew for a second,
and I was like, what kind of show are we
doing today?

Speaker 1 (25:55):
That is so funny that you say that every time
that comes up. Uh, it just makes me giggle them exactly,
Oh my god. They it is just is just the
people that absorb that and and look at it as

(26:16):
I'm just like, really, okay, okay, I guess you can
sell uh sand to someone on the beach as well.
Right yeah, Matt Gutka, you snuck in here as well.
I've seen you. Joe Monk. One of the wrenches stepped
in the phone, so I don't even answer the phone,

(26:37):
uh answer the phone even if I do recognize the number,
I hear you. I'm sometimes like that unless it's like
within that certain group, like with what Brian talks about here.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, it's it's it's I've changed my I'm getting a
lot of these calls from Jennifer who has apparently I
have like sixteen loans out there, so I'm like the lead,
the lead, So I've changed my voicemail to the person
you have reached, has reached their people limit for the day,
hang up and try again tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
That is so funny. Do you remember when those voicemail
messages used to be a thing. Yeah, we usual to
lead these specialized messages. Oh my gosh, Yeah, what a time.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I used to get in trouble for those at work,
like Brian, you have to change your voice out. I'm like,
why because our clients don't want to know that you're
away from your desk or banging your head on the desk.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
If there's you know, let me tell you something I
found some I find comedy and everything. It's not always
a good thing, but it's I guess it's a way
to deal with some of the the you know, the
really intense stuff. So I will have you know, I
have no problem. I was always thinking like the dog
men because of the collective mind. You know that someone

(27:58):
mentioned the hive mindset where they kind of all know
that you who you are, and just see him, you know,
going back, going back home or to the campsite and
there's like six dogmen there and they're sitting around eating
like some kind of human or animal or whatever and going.
So there he was, and he's being in front of me,
you know, and would you do Frank, like, I couldn't

(28:20):
believe this, you know, I'm waiting for that, you know,
that would be the cartoon.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, that's hilarious. That is hilarious. Yeah, you gotta wonder, Yeah,
what what they're thinking about over there in their own
little conversations. They got it, I know they say a
lot of stuff about us, I know they do. They're
just like these dudes, who are these guys?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
They know they have that they're really really smart, so
they know they have like some kind of upperhand. They
know they don't look pretty, and uh, it's just what
they you know, they'll go and they'll scare the crap
out of people. It's it's insane. The eyes of these
things are, especially at night or when it gets dark,

(29:04):
it's like these two amber freaking beacons that are and
you're like, oh crap, you know, because night's an advantage them.
They can see in the dark, just like Bigfoot. I mean,
night is they love that stuff. But there may be
a connection to both of them.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, See, that's what I want to get into
right now, because there are two big, strong beasts. So
do you all think.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, I've been writing some stuff and I'm doing I'm
at a conference in Missouri on hopefully I'm going to
be on a panel at Gettysburg at the Battlefield Bash
working on that on cryptids. But I'm giving a presentation
on dog Man at the Missouri Conference Crossing Realms in Richard,

(29:57):
Missouri on the nineteenth and twentieth of sept And.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I'm gonna try to.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Present something where I'm probably gonna get a lot of
your a p for it. But you know, unless you
have a real dog Man in a real book Bigfoot,
anything kind of goes. But I think there is a
connection there.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah yeah. And just for everyone, And I'll say this again,
Brian has brought some goodies, some things to show here
tonight and we're gonna save those for our two. So
make sure you're gonna say that anywhere. Are you gonna
We've even riveted you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna miss it.
Here we go. Yes, all right, everybody, welcome back to

(30:44):
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(31:06):
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back into the conversation. So you were I don't know
if you recall where you were at your story there.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh, I was upstate New York at one of the
mountains and it's it's Duchess County. I'm just gonna leave
it at that for the time being. There's a lot
of sightings in Duchess and then it goes, you know,
goes further north. So once you go really really north,

(31:40):
you get to Whitehall and the Catskills. Not the Catskills,
the Adirondecks has a ton of big foot in there.
There are again dogmen there as well, and it's it's
only natural to have, you know, species.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Living near a species.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
There's food if if if one of them is there, air,
there's water, there's food, there's hunting, there's everything you need
to survive. And I've seen dogmen on an investigation and
a bigfoot so and the dog man was it was
really interesting again upstate New York in a different era,

(32:19):
different state park.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
The bigfoot was.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Trying to hide behind a little bit of a mountain
that you know, like I think they call it a
holler down south, you know, it's a hell. And it
was big and it had this giant It kind of
reminded me of like Harry and the Henderson's looking type
of bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I didn't bring.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Those photos, but the photo of that that that bigfoot
is on the Bronxaill Paranormal Society dot com page under
a nuclear lake. And and then we caught I caught
another photo of a dog man and this looks more
German shepherd like and it's hiding behind a rock wall.

(33:05):
So I think they keep things barriers within them as
an advantage so that it takes longer for something to
get to them. But they can you know, they can
jump freely jump well, I believe it's like sixty feet
without even thinking about it. Wow, you know they're pretty spry.

(33:26):
They would be you know, they're no joke. But what
we were talking about before is the collective. I believe
there is a collective, and it's not just with DOGMN,
it's with Bigfoot two. I think all these cryptids have
some kind of like central repository that when they convert
themselves or they upload their information, everybody has access to it,

(33:49):
like a giant hard drive. Back in the day before
all this streaming stuff, you'd always get buddies who bring
a hard drive to work and then we'd swap out
movies and copy them over. Yeah, I'm talking about illegal stuff,
so you know no one does it right now anyhow,

(34:10):
So we would do it and then I said, well,
why don't we just have a server, and they were like, well,
we did it, and we did it on the work server.
Really illegal because this is a national the national bank,
Global bank actually, but we all had access to it.
So whoever uploaded the uploads would go in one area

(34:31):
and then the old stuff would go another, and then
it would sort back into the old stuff, so you
would always be able to get it. So that's kind
of like the mindset that I'm thinking. Because my encounters
with Bigfoot have always been really really positive. There's been
distance there. I have yet to have what they call
mind speak. I'd love that. I'd live for that because

(34:54):
that would be like, that's like one of that's how
my bucket lived. My encryptid bucket list is mind speak,
so you can communicate with your mind without like, oh
my god, what's your name? Where are you from? You know,
all this stuff. Haven't had that just yet. But they
know who you are based on your biological a unique

(35:21):
identifier and everybody has one. It's your aura. You're you're
made from electricity. I mean there's a lot of electric
components in there, you know, and they fire up. And
what happens is when people, you know, some people can
see your aura. So when you're not feeling well, they
look at you know, you can see chunks chinks in
the armor. And that's how some spirits used to get

(35:45):
in or possess people. They're like, oh he's he's open
or she's open. I'm going in there. Because when you're
when you're not feeling well, you're depressed, you're bummed out,
you're suffering from some kind of mental issue or ailment.
You're never going to be one hundred percent. Also, when
you're you have a negative vibe about you. If you're like,

(36:07):
let's say you're a serial killer, there's a certain vibe
that they give off.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
But it's also unbeknownst to yourself.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
You're seeing their aura. Right, So these bigfoot know when
your energy is moving into their energy or when it
gets back to a collective source we'll call it source
or the akash record or whatever you want to call it.
And they know you're coming out there, and then when

(36:36):
they see you, they know, oh that's that's rob That's
just a rob j I'll know, you know, and they'll
see the glow around you're like, oh, he's cool. So
that when they're throwing the stones that you or they're
playing with you just want to get your attention. It's
not as you know, aggressive as some of them like

(36:56):
they see another person who's nasty or has a gun
and all they are a hunter and they don't believe
in this or that, or is a certain energy to
that they won't want them there. So I think the
dogmen reads that as well, and the dogman also was
super intelligent. They know we're scared of them, they know

(37:17):
what they look like, and they like to mess around
with people. We had a woman in upstate New York.
She had a fishing store out of her garage and
on her property she had a couple of ponds in
a lake. And the front door was a different door,
you know, knocker like ding dong, you know, like this
was all ding and the other one was like dong

(37:39):
dong whatever. And three o'clock in the morning, she had
bigfoot on the property. But dogmen came up and we're
three o'clock in the morning, ding dong, ding dong, and
she's like they're both ringing at the same time. She's like,
the hell with that, and she just loaded or shotgun

(38:00):
the state indoors, you know, or they'll they'll try to
get you to come outside. We've heard tons of stories
about people document will wiggle the handle of a door
or make some noise, right and they want you to
come out because I think there's a universal law that
goes on where kind of like vampires, they cannot enter

(38:23):
your house without cause, so they need you to come
out and then you're free game because your house is
I guess. I don't know if it's like a temple
or how it works. I haven't figured this out just yet,
but there's plenty of stories where you know, they'll peek
into bedrooms and someone will see them in the screen

(38:45):
and they'll walk around the house and they'll purposely be
seen to keep you out so that maybe they're on
the hunt. So one of them is doing that distract
you while the other ones are stealing your chickens or
killing your cow or what have you. And then or
they want to pull you out because you've caused problem.
Maybe you shot over their heads and they're like, oh,

(39:07):
we're going to get that lady, and they winkled the
door handle try to get you out, or you hear
some noise. They're good mimics. They make mimics sounds just
like Bigfoot, and that's how people get, you know, pulled
into the woods and then then take it no, So

(39:27):
it's it gets crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, And I'm just looking and I try to examine
it and look through all the possibilities, and it sometimes
because I'm looking, like, okay, we have this interaction going
on with the phenomena. This phenomena branches out to all
these different things we can kind of see or or not.

(39:49):
I don't want to say we can see, but I
know there's a group of us that believe that we
understand the purpose of the extraterrestial part of the phenomena. Oh,
they're just here to help. They're just here to make
sure that we don't do this or that. When we
look at other parts of the phenomena. Is there the
same outlook there? Do you think? Is there the same

(40:09):
or is it simply like a group of human beings,
for instance, having the ability to step over a dimension
into this weird world and we're just there kind of
interacting with things, maybe throwing rocks or maybe making weird
crazy noises in the moment. Is it more like a
playful thing, them stepping into where we're at, as we

(40:32):
would probably do if we had the ability to step
into their realm.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I think it's there's something about on the flesh and
blood side that they enjoy. It's maybe the art of
the hunt. And I don't think they're here to help us.
I think they've gotten first of all, I think between
dogmen and bigfoot, I think they're all also they're just

(40:58):
they can be very cannibalistic. They're also have a taste
for human flesh, it has been known. So don't think
they're all cute. They do not work. From what I know,
they do not work in con concert with each other.
So I saw somebody, I think it's at Joeyanne mentioned
something like they work in that.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
No, they do not.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
They're separate. And I think they're separate for a reason.
I think Dogmen is almost like a defective version of
what the Bigfoot was. So it's it's like, I don't
want to disparage anybody, but you know all those movies
about going down South and like you know, you know,
cousins marrying cousins or something like that. It's it's it's

(41:44):
not the pure version of what it should be or
could be. And they're kept separate because of that, just
like you know in the in the past, bastard children
were put into mental institutions or unwanted or whatever. So
but they're not here to I you know, they're not

(42:04):
here to help. And when when our indigenous you know,
families have seen them and interacted with them because of
the immensity of what they're seeing and they're living in
the forest and they knock trees down and they do
certain things. They get a reputation of oh, they must
be like these great spirits of the forest and they

(42:25):
protect it and what have you.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
You know, people or peoples make up stories to fit
whatever their narrative are.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
We do it.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
It's kind of like, you know, if you're driving in
a car and like, oh, that looks like a crocodile,
you know the clouds. It's it's you'll your mind will
make up something in reference to what you've known. And
if they're praying to the Great Spirit and a Bigfoot
comes walking out there, you know, the intention is like, oh,

(42:59):
that there's the Great Spirit. It doesn't look anything like us.
It's got hair all over the place, and I just
think it's opportunity. But they've crossed the line of Native
American cultures by the way Bigfoot in general, they there's
a great story where you have this is amazing. You
have an indigenous tribe living in an area and it

(43:23):
has Bigfoot on one side of it and dogmen on
the other. And the problem they have is in the past,
sometimes Bigfoot would would take some of the indigenous and
mate with them, eat them, consume them, whatever. But in general,
the dogmen is the ones that are sneaking in, causing problems, stealing,

(43:44):
you know, some of the elderly or the children, and
they go missing. So they kind of got, you know,
tired of this and tired of trying to fight them.
So the tribe what it does is it sets up.
The dogmen goes in, and the tribe goes into the
bigfoot area and does something dastardly to the bigfoot, be

(44:08):
it the baby the young cut him up, you know,
make it look like the dogmen did it. So the
Bigfoot sees that and goes that's it. Bigfoot goes in
and takes care of the problem.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Wow. Yeah, you know, and I'm thinking I had this, Uh,
the encounter did not. It still wasn't an encounter. It
was a situation where one of my pupps got out
of the backyard and unbeknownst to me, there was a
hole on the opposite side of the house that he

(44:40):
knew was there that I didn't know was there. And
so I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, we have this rooster
that shows up every morning at six o'clock. I swear
with two two roosters and a hen. They show up
in the front yard every single morning, and one day,
maybe within last week, I get a phone call that

(45:03):
says that my dogs are in the front yard and
I'm like, whoa, Okay, wait a minute. So I opened
the garage door, and as I'm opening the garage door,
one of my pupps has the rooster pinned on the ground,
and it's like it was just a primal moment for
me where I'm like, Okay, normally he wouldn't be out here,

(45:23):
but he kind of stepped into this reality because the
hole in the fence, which allowed him to interact with
this creature that he would not normally be able to
interact with. And then this is how that interaction was viewed.
And then so when I think about the dog man
in Bigfoot, I'm like, are they like just getting out
of their backyard? They did? They find the hole out

(45:47):
of their backyard and that's how they kind of come
in and interact with us like they do. Did they
go right back through the hole and go back to
their business when they're done? And I was flushing. I've
said this before.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I was flesh and blood for a long time thought
this was like gigantopithic is and that's what it is,
missing a link and whatever. And then I had an
encounter where a bigfoot went from point A to point
B in a split second. And there's no way in
hell you can do that unless you can create a portal.

(46:20):
Jump in the portal, come out instantaneously. And that's in
theory with portals and quantum mechanics, that's what you're supposed
to be able to do. That's how we're supposed to
transverse such long pieces of space and time. We open
a portal and we bring point A and point me
together and just like stepping into a door, and you're there.
So then I started looking deeper into sightings and what

(46:43):
goes on with sightings of bigfoot and Dogun has some
of these sightings too. They have certain lights and flashes
that appear vibrational look to it, and that is in
the transformation process. So I believe in a genetic way. Quantitatively,
they're able to use soft physics. I don't want to

(47:05):
get into like too much of a technical thing, but
they use something called soft physics and they manipulate their
flesh and their epidermis, so that they one can refract
and reflect light in a certain way so they look invisible.
And a lot of times you'll see what looks like

(47:25):
the predator creature on a Dogmen expedition, and that's a
or a bigfoot. It's the same thing. They're able to
do that, and then they when your batteries.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
You ever see some of these shows.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
And actually have been in the field with a bigfoot
or a dogmin in the close by, a lot of
your electronics get drained really quick because what they do
is they use whatever is out there, the free energy,
and that includes your cameras and your phones and all
this other stuff, and they use that because you need
more energy to convert energy into a different form. All

(48:02):
goes back to your science classes in junior high and
high school, right. And then when you finally get to
that point where you're moving from point A to B
in form or energy, there's usually a spark like in
a final like pop. It's kind of like when a
jet goes subsonic, you get you know, it goes, it

(48:23):
breaks the sound barrier and you get the pup and
now it's subsonic. It's the same principles, but it's down
on a molecular level, and that's why they can go
from flesh and blood into interdimensional I don't know what
goes on interdimensionally. I don't know what's there as far
as sustenance is concerned. And maybe they actually have to

(48:45):
go back out to energize or recharge their batteries or
even vacation. Who knows what goes on in the interdimensional
aspect of it. You know, maybe there isn't anything there
that they can really feed on that gives them enough
substance to you know, continue going on, so they have
to go into a different form get the food. And

(49:09):
also it's probably a lot nicer than where they are
inter dimensionally. I think some of them are just family
oriented and they just go in different clans. It's usually
a male female. Then they mate, they have some children,
and they get to a certain point, the children are left,
you know, separately, and then they keep going. And then

(49:32):
the whole ideology is that the male that the junior
is to find a mate and mate with them. Yeah,
and then they continue to you know, decid. I don't
want to do the circle of life, but that's what
it boils down to for the most part. And I
think the dogman does the same thing. There's a lot
of people say, well, are they super soldiers? There's no

(49:56):
doubt in my mind that there is. I don't think
anybody in the public eye has a physical Bigfoot or
a dogment. But I do do believe in in those
black projects, you know that are doing the UFO stuff
and the government stuff. I'm almost positive they have several

(50:16):
different species or specimens of Bigfoot and dog man and
flying humanoids, and they're trying to figure out how they
they do what they do because that's you know, camouflage
is huge, and then they could genetically build a super soldier.
Maybe you can get them combine that with human DNA

(50:37):
because there are there's also talks about bigfoot and dogmen
meeting with humans. So I mean, there's so many different
variables here to look into with them. I you know,
when you mentioned the UFOs and stuff, I don't. I'm
not I'm not on the they're all here to help me.

(50:59):
I'm in the They're here to help themselves. And then
every once in a while they'll throw us a bone
because they need us and they need our genetics, you know.
But it's a strange, it's a strange creature. I haven't
been able to put my full finger on. I mean,
if you physically had one in your backyard with your dogs.
First of all, your dogs wouldn't be leaving at that point,

(51:21):
they'll be scratched at the back door, like let us
in at this point. But then you'd be able to
do experimentation on them. You know, if I do this,
If I do that, how do you know, monitor them?
How they go subatomic?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
You know?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
It would be interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
And that's why I that is exactly why you know.
I'm looking at these two examples, and I'm like, okay,
Bigfoot resembles in some ways primates on our planet. Here.
You got dog Man that obviously resembles our pets that
we have at home. So when we look at those
two things, do we think that those are more of

(52:00):
coincidence that we happen to have two of these cryptids
from another dimension that align with things that we have
currently living here? Is that? Does it have to do
with some perception or or uh you know, are we is?
It does not then mean that because those things are true,

(52:21):
that if we look elsewhere within the universe they will
probably find more likely that a lot of things line
up with what we have here on Earth as well.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I think the reason why things come to Earth is
because our DNA is the perfect foundation for repopulation and
cloning and what have you. We also have junk DNA
that's really important. But here's it gets a little bit
great because you have there are a variety of species

(52:53):
reported by individuals who had experiences. I mean, you know,
nothing's publicly come out from any of these governments, you know,
and the big government is a US, so don't don't
hold your breath. But there there have been reports of
people seeing what looks like Chewbacca flying you know, in

(53:13):
a UFO or coming out of UFO, dog men or
werewolves coming out of UFO. There are a multitude of
different type of races. And you're talking about Chewbacca, which
according to the movie it's about seven foot tall, you
know whatever. But they also have big foot style type
type ones that come out. They have elbow witches, which

(53:34):
are the shorter ones like three feet tall bigfoots, and
these are extra These are different races of extraterrestrials. Now
what makes it that, you know, maybe they these extraterrestrials
were part of a program with another interdimensional race, and
they made an agreement and they took DNA from each

(53:56):
one and they created these creatures.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I do not know that answer.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
That's why the mind speak would be great, so you
can say, how long have you been here? Where did
you start? What is your origin story? I saw a
Marvel reference in there. It's always an origin story, you know,
for a bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Let's all right there, let's all right there, Brian that
we actually are going into the top of the hour break.
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into the show. So I wanted to ask you, so,
what are some of the ways the Bigfoot and dog
man research can get us closer to potentially getting answers

(01:01:42):
or at least somewhat you know, confirmed, some of the
theories that we've come up with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I mean, you'd have to capture one, you really would.
You'd have to have a capture of it or an
interaction with it, and then you'd have to do testing.
But you'd have to have an independent lab do it.
Like that's not gonna the minute you throw the DNA
into the database where it goes checks everything that's out there,

(01:02:10):
you're gonna have people visiting you. Where do you get that?
You know, and they're gonna take it and if you
open your mouth, you know, it's your same story. Part
of the reason why they don't want to you know,
I'm just gonna focus on Bigfoot for this. They don't
want to really recognize Bigfoot is tourism of our national

(01:02:33):
parks is a billions of dollars industry, and then you
get into the logging industry, and then you have a problem. Right,
So you know, you're losing money, and the world revolves
around money. It's not easy to capture these things as

(01:02:53):
a civilian. It would be a lot easier as someone
who maybe is trained than this, like the individual that
contacted me. But I did acquire some photos and information
about something that happened in Ohio recently. And I have

(01:03:16):
a buddy named Brian Singh who he's doing the full
Disclosure conference down in Saint Pete's July fifteenth through the
nineteenth or the yeah, fifteenth through the nineteenth. It's full disclosure.
A whole bunch of people going to be there, experiencers
you name it, I mean, remote views, channelers, whatever. So

(01:03:39):
it's talking to Brian. He goes, oh, let me send
you let me send you something. So I said, okay, cool.
You know, I've seen a lot of dog men photos
and a lot of them just don't cut it. They're
not really clear, you know. You know, I've all seen
all those red circles like here's a dog man, here's
a big foot, you know, here's three people playing, you know,

(01:04:03):
like c low, you know whatever it is, and it's
just like, oh, this sucks. So I get this. And
this was given to him from his friend, and I
want to shout out to her Michelle Nobles. Now Michelle
has a good friend of their of theirs, and she
has a buddy that is a Ohio police officer and

(01:04:25):
he was one of them that responded to this call.
And what was happening as the local police department responded
to what they thought it was a bear. So, and
that is the first time that I'm aware of it's
ever been publicly shown. This is probably one of the
best photos of a dog man younger dog man, in

(01:04:47):
my opinion, that I've ever seen. And initially when you're
looking at it, it's like, oh, that's a bear. I'm like, no,
it's not a bear. That's why I did a light
lightened up version. If you want to go to that one,
you know the d M two on the JPEGs. Oh,
I don't know, If I have to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
There we go, okay, yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I lightened it up and there are point in your
ears to this. So what basically was happening is when
the the officer rolled up, they got a report of
a bear. Okay by several residents. I've seen bear. I've
seen black bear. That is not a black bear. The
snout is different. It is very much what I've seen before.

(01:05:34):
It's a dog man and what happened was the dogmen
had been limping apparently, and when the police officers showed up.
The next image that you'll see. These three guys showed
up with as he said, a raccoon logos on them,
and they were there to collect it. And they're they're

(01:05:56):
there to take it from there, so, you know, police
officer let them do what they did. They put this
thing in an eighteen wheeler and they drove off with it,
and the police officer followed along. These are all police
officer related photographs. This is coming from Yeah, and I

(01:06:21):
don't know the full conversation of what happened to this
person's friendly officer, but I'm sure it was. This didn't happen,
you know, do not share this with anybody or what
have you, you know, but of course that gets out.
So they captured this and basically what they did is

(01:06:41):
they they they put three it didn't even resist the
three tranquilizer darts that they had, and they took it
and he took the pictures. They put it in the
back of an eighteen wheeler. He followed the eighteen wheeler
and it's actually the you know, if you want to
show the guy that were associated with taking it, that

(01:07:02):
would be the guy's photo that I put in next.
These are the guys that showed up, and you can
see him. These guys show up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
I looked at some of the logos and it has
a there's old.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Dog Man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
North American dog Man project this. I think there was
a logo I saw that I was like, oh, maybe
these are just part of the group or whatever. Now
these guys are totally different. I've never really seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Right as we go, can you be a little descriptive
of the radio audience kind of what we're actually working?

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
So there, So the dog man is it's it's it's
all and has black fur on it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
It has more.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Rounded years, but when they get older, they get pointed.
It has a very long snow with a lot of
teeth in it. The pause on this thing and it's
standing by the way, it's standing on its rear feet
and the paws on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
It are massive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
This specific creature that we're looking at, if you have,
if it stood up, it would be probably six to
seven feet tall, and we're talking about hundreds of pounds.
I mean it's a drum. It's a really big creature.
If you've seen koy wolves, and the dire wolf is

(01:08:29):
bigger than those picture you know, dire wolf on on steroids.
It's big. So that's the photos. And there was a
darker photo and then there's a lighter photo. The next
photo is of the three guys that the officer took
that showed up and black uniforms look like paramilitary type

(01:08:49):
of uniforms with logo, a logo on their right breast.
Some of them have it on their left side too.
I believe the gentleman in the mid this three gentlemen,
one in the middle looks like he has like what
looks like a stull on his uniform. And they were
there to collect it. They put three tranquilizer darts into

(01:09:12):
this creature to subdue it. But apparently it was limping,
so it must have been injured somehow. And then and
the next three photos or four photos is the eighteen
wheeler that they put this thing into and they moved
it to a different location. I don't know how far

(01:09:36):
down the road. I'm trying to get some way to
contact the friend that was the police officer, you know,
in confidentiality so I can get a little bit more information.
A lot of people don't want to lose their pensions
over this, and I don't blame them, but there was
a device that in one of the photos, and you

(01:09:56):
can bypass the the police officers picture, which is the
next one following the eighteen wheeler, but it's because it
should have been flipped. There was a device inside that
that truck, and it seemed like, in my opinion, it
was either monitoring biometrics or it was doing that and

(01:10:19):
maybe creating some kind of I don't know, maybe an
electric security fence or grid around the creature to make
sure it doesn't get out of control. And ultimately, and
so it's you know, it has a little LCD screen
on and a couple of knobs on the right. I

(01:10:39):
can't you know, everything's not in total view. But the
last photo is the location that they they ended up in.
And then he didn't go any further than that. They
they kind of like, you know, you can't go here,
So they went to some kind of warehouse or packaging facility,

(01:11:02):
and I'm sure they put it into a different container
system that would probably be more sturdier than an eighteen Wheeler,
and this is the first time this has been shown
from what I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
But these are you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Know, this has Remember I told you I got called
by someone with all zero's usg these you know, these
are the type of people we're talking about. And those
gentlemen and you know, the three people there very well,
maybe part of the same organization that the person who
called me up on was part of. I just think

(01:11:41):
it's it's it's a pretty damn good photo of a
dog man. I mean, I think you've seen a ton
of them. I think a lot of people in the
audiences as have seen these photos that people show and
it's usually blurry or it's obscured by trees.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Yeah, I mean this is what you know. This is okay,
So this is what you do, right. So some people
are fully in, Oh yeah, fully dog man for sure.
I'm leaning that way. It really looks very detailed. I
don't see anything that points out to me is not
being authentic, although there'll be some people that will want

(01:12:22):
to look at it and do that sort of thing.
So you feel free to do so, you know, and
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Don't get me wrong. I'm not all in on it,
but it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
It's very very good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
It does have a bear feel to it, and I've
seen bear up close. And but there are certain things
about this that just I can't I can't really explain
it because they don't have a pointer to point to it.
But there's certain aspects of the nostril, the nose area,
and the way it's looking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
The eye shapes off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
From are it has more of that humanish expression on
the eyes. It's it's really really weird, and I wish
they can zoom in and I wish it was better
and I could see a little bit more of it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
But it's pretty good. I'm going to agree with you.
I'm gonna agree with you. It's definitely pretty good. And
like I say, I'm sure there's people out there that'll
that are already downloading it or screenshotting so they can.
I'm please do because at the end of the day,
we're looking for the answers. So if this stands up

(01:13:36):
to scrutiny and all sorts of different things that you
want to run it through, that's great. That's kind of
what we want with our data. And it's just good
to see you bring data to the table because in
this part of the phenomenon. For whatever reason, we don't
get a lot of data and and it's just amazing
when we have something that we could kind of look at.

(01:13:58):
So applaug you for that alone. And I know that
you are a skeptic at heart as well, so I
know that you're going to run through things through through
a process as well. Yeah, I've been. I've been.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
You know, I look at it and I try to
zoom it in, and I you know, you can only
do so much. I mean, I do a lot of
photoshop stuff, so I know how to enhance certain things.
But it's only as good as the image you get,
you know, So if it's a seventy two or one hundred,
you know, anything under one hundred dpi, you're gonna get pixelation.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
But it's the ears. It's it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Way the ears are and how it's you can see
some of it like it's weird. The ear shape is
not bear. It's too elongated for a bear.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
I can agree. I know when I first saw it,
just when I first brought the image up, I thought
beer immediately. The more I looked at it, though, I'm like, nah,
I mean I've seen I haven't seen bears in every instance, right,
But I could sit here and say that it looks
like a very strange bear if it was to be

(01:15:12):
just determined to be a beer very strange looking bear
that has a long snout. And like I said, the
ears and the eyes stand out to me. And I
don't know what else it is, but it just out
of the hind legs thing is definitely something that sticks out.
Another thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
I mean, I've seen bear and their ears. It's not
necessarily where where it's looking on this the ears should
be a little bit down and then long out the
you know, like behind it more so than up right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
And you know, it's just it's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
I had a bull terrier if spuds Mackenzie target duck
and if you've ever had a a dog like that,
their ears normally go up and he looks like he
looked like a giant rabbit, you know, at one point.
But some of them curve the ears, you know, and
they do it by hand, whereas like you know, if

(01:16:13):
shepherds have a strange ears too, but wolve's ears usually
go back a little bit. There's a similarity to these creatures.
But there's something about this, like the eyes have this
vibe about it like that. It's knowing. I don't. I
can't explain it. And it's from like what I saw.

(01:16:35):
I mean, it's really really reminiscent of what I saw.
It's massive. I mean, that's that photo does not do
a justice.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
At all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
I mean, it's it's the one I saw had more
of a snout and more pointy ears. They were closer
on the top and pointed up, kind of like German
shepherd esk or like Marmaduke or you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
And and where was this? That's why there's a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
This is why there's seven variants.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
You know, where was this located? This photo Ohio, Ohio?
I don't know, but basically.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
The area that this was near is only forty five
minutes away from Wright Patterson Air Force Base, which is
one of the original area fifty ones. So I mean
take certain things into consideration. Why would three guys appear
out of nowhere like we got this, and why would

(01:17:37):
why would a police officer like just back away and
let it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Yeah, I mean, if I would definitely need to know
why this photo is in there and why this happened.
Right after that, I just wanted, you know, I'm sure
this conversation could probably be follied or bodycam footage if
they have. I don't know if they have.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Oh yeah, I mean, but look at the guy and
it's unfortunately the radio h of people listening on the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
But please go to the space out radio.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Archives on YouTube and you know, like on the show,
and you'll see the photos. But the guy in the middle,
I mean, look look at the seriousness on this that
these guys aren't playing around. There's a certain vibe off
of them too, you know, he's you know, it's really
interesting because the guy in the middle seems to be

(01:18:27):
holding his phone up to take pictures of of who
this officer is and who knows what happened to you know,
the friend, you know that the police officer that took it,
and what talking they had.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
You know. Yeah, I think that would be the first,
uh first, probably few things that I would go down
and start checking to kind of validate the story completely,
because a lot of this record should should be there
for us to pull and because I know that common
in the middle, that's that's the normal. I'm a jerk,

(01:19:02):
I'm a tough guy cop. Look that that you get
a lot of the time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
It's an alpha yeah, an alpha militant, you know. Now
I've seen women like that too, but it's not exclusive
to men. And he's not playing a game. These guys
like even the guy on the right, all you see
is his mouth and he's pretty serious. It's weird. I

(01:19:26):
really wish there was it was better imagery. But again,
you're only going to get so much of it at night,
depending on where the location is. If it's in the woods,
it's even darker, you know. And then you're a police
officer or whatever. And now you have these three guys
show up. We'll take it from here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
I mean, let's look around and think about in this field,
many researchers, investigators that you all out there and listening
land and YouTube land as well, that you've come across.
How many times I see a lot of times you
guys ask for proof or ask for where are the photos,
where's the audio? Where's this it is? And this is

(01:20:10):
this and not only this is what I'll give to you.
It's not only is it a one off of this animal,
it is also supporting photographs as well that corroborate to
back up the story and make it even easier for
you to cross reference out there, right, So this you
can either at the end the day call this complete

(01:20:31):
hoax based on the data that you find, or you
may validate all of these parts of the story and
make this determined to be one of probably the closest
to actually having something on record for an encounter, which
is awesome to me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
I mean, this is gonna be investigated further by you know,
and I'm gonna be talking to Jody Koku's the founder
of North American dogument Project, and a couple other people there.
And I also have friends in different places and ask
them about it, and you know it's real when they

(01:21:08):
say no, no, just walk away, Just leave it alone,
walk away. There's certain ways of letting you know that
it's real. And being a kid in the streets, not
that I was, you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
You know, how to read.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Body language and how to listen for how people are
saying things. Oh yeah, and it gives you, Yeah, it
gives you a you know, a really good idea if
you're on track or not. I'm like, okay, so cool,
I hit the spot and that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
I'm wondering.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
You know, I've gotten you know, I've said this before
I know, my phone gets jacked, they take stuff from it,
because what they do is when they pull stuff off
your phone, they're not really neat about it. So what
they do is they undelete stuff, and then they copy

(01:22:03):
your phone, and then the stuff you just deleted the
night before before you go went to bed is magically back,
and you're like, oh, how did that happen?

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
And or I'm driving and I was actually driving and
talking to a gentleman out of Canada who knew a
lot of information about extraterrestrials. And when when you're driving
in my car, the picture of the person comes up
on the caller idea in the center screen, and then
anybody else that's beeping in it will pop them up,

(01:22:37):
you know, so you can and then it'll keep them
there if you want to add them to the call
or whatever, or it'll disappear. And they both were up
at the same time for quite a while, so I know,
I'm like, oh, we're being listened into. And it was
all zeros. So I don't think I'm a threat to
national security or anything, but I'm sure people are keeping

(01:22:59):
tabs of X one, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
And they've asked me one time as we you're ready
to go to our last break here. He asked me
during the show what we were doing, and he was like,
you know, do you feel like, how do you feel
about people who have five hundred subscribers and claim that
they're being listened to or claim that black helicopters are

(01:23:23):
flying over their homes and and I guess the feeling
was okay, since they only have five hundred scribe subscribers,
is that possible? And I'm talking to Dave, I'm like,
you know what, Dave, it would make sense if that
person was saying something that resonated with that group, because
even if he had five hundred subscribers, I think the
information being provided would be enough to raise a flag.

(01:23:47):
And maybe you're not being watched full time, but you're
at least on that list. You're at least on the list.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
My personal thing is I don't care. I mean, I
put out my show, when I put it out, I'm
third eyelive.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
I restarted it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Only one podcast, folks, but I'm a guest on a
lot of shows, and a couple of them happened to
be I didn't want to go the route because I
always try to do sing more positive, but some of
them are political based, and if you say certain things,
you become you get on the radar.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I wish all the you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
The NSA would just sign up, walk in, you know,
jack me up to a couple of thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
You hear that in essay, Just sign in, just log in,
let us know you're doing it. Yeah, at the very
least awesome conversation with Sir Brian Bow will be back
to finish this up with your questions as well right
after the break based out radio, after that works radio show,
filling in for Dave Scott, see you in a minute.

(01:24:53):
All right, we are clear, We are clear, final breaking guys. Yeah,
conversation going so fast. I kind of forgot did I
ask you? I may have asked you. Please consider going
ahead and putting your questions in capital letter that way
I can easily see them. We will ask them at
the end of during this next thirty minutes. I think

(01:25:17):
I have a few of you so far, but yeah,
let's go ahead and get those coming. Yeah, go ahead, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Damian Wyatt, I read your thing about the unit deals
with these creatures would be in full tactical gear, and
I agree with you. One hundred percent, but not everybody
in the unit would be on the tactical side. They
would be people that are just like in the military,
like military police or intelligence officers, gatherers, and they may

(01:25:49):
not be in that full garb.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
That's there, I trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
I questioned that myself because I wanted to see firepower.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
But and start that one. So we'll bring that one
back up and then represent that angle. Sure, and let
me see. Yeah there, that's the right idea here. Please
remember to put all your questions for the host, or

(01:26:18):
guess it all caps it may it's much easier for
the host to catch it. Questions are usually asked in
the hour two, if not earlier. These are all true
facts courtesy a pair of marvelous out there. Appreciate start
appreciate sir. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
And someone's mentioning, I love Perry or whatever about the
costs to keep a bird up in the sky, all right,
you yeal with black budgets, there is no cost. Don't
even worry about it. They have a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
They don't worry about the bill you're paying it, and
they have money printers everywhere, and uh, it's it's a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
I don't want to get in the politics of it,
because that can get you shut down. So I'm gonna
shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
But you know, I've turned into that problem on my
channel sometimes to just get to talking too much. So
I get you all, I get you. The Andromeda is
so no Dave tonight, no dude. If you've been watching lately,
Dave has let everybody know that he would be out
of town this weekend for the big Foot conference in

(01:27:27):
Nebraska with I believe it's Robin Haynes is hosting it.
So Dave will be there tonight tomorrow this weekend, and
then he'll be back early next week, and then we'll
be taking off Thursday of next week through Monday for Vegas.

(01:27:47):
So yeah, make sure you get your space out radio
in while you can because we will be off air
for a little bit coming up soon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
You know, when you deal, I know people do stuff
like this, and when you're approaching civilian the civilian police,
unless you have like birds all over the place and
it's it looks military based. You know, when you come
out of the woods and like we're going to take
it from you. There usually is a liaison that will

(01:28:21):
be dealing with the police department and while they're dealing
with the men and women on scene, there's somebody contacting
the commanding officer of whatever, and they'll get the radio
call just let it go, you know whatever. I was
told by several people that in every police department in
the country there is an X Files division. It's like

(01:28:44):
the X Files, and that's what they investigate.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
And you know what's so crazy is is when I
used to win that show was originally on, and I
was watching this show, I'm like, there's no way they
have a group of Molder and the Scully out there
doing this type of stuff. There's no way that these
sorts of things are really happening out there in the world.
This is back in the nineties where it's like we
didn't know they were here every day, or at least

(01:29:08):
I didn't know they were here every day. Yeah, you know,
it's just mind blowing. So when you open that up,
it just opens you up to so many other things.
And that's been my journey here with the phenomena is
realizing that, oh my god, this is crazy, this is real.
Oh my god, this is crazy this, oh my god,
this might be real, And it just keeps you going
down the list and there's not one thing I could

(01:29:30):
just say that isn't real. You know, that's when you start,
and I tell everybody, you look at the historical data.
You sit down, you process previous cases, new cases based
on what we know to kind of determine if it's
something we should continue to look at, you know, continue
to look at going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
You know, I mean you alsus have to look at
it this way. Right, If you're a parent and you
know these things exist, one, you don't want to tell
your kids that they exist, but you sure as hell
want to be on the team that's going to take
them out to save these people. You know, in Colorado
they shut down the National Forest at one point and
they did a five or fifteen mile radius because there

(01:30:12):
was a bear attack. And I put air quotes up
a bear attack.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Oh yeah, it wasn't a bear attack. So they do
do things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
And when you get into a national park, they have
to go with the full you know, show, like what's
going on. You know, whereas you're in the woods of
Ohio in the middle of the night and people are
talking about a bear, you know, the guys, yeah, a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Couple of weekslif right now, all right, everybody, Welcome back
to bascout Radio after hours radio show. Addition filling in
today's guy here tonight having an awesome conversation with Sir
Brian Bowten. As always getting into some good stuff. This
half hour, we'll be getting into some of your audience
questions and mores to make sure you put them out

(01:31:00):
there in the chat, put them in caps, make sure
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Once again, YouTube dot com forwardslash has faced out Radio
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as we go ahead and jump right back into the
conversation right there at the end of the break, Brian,
you were kind of getting on something that I wanted
to bring up before we start jumping into these questions

(01:31:21):
now that would be doing this research and then have it.
My big thing has always been that we have these
signs up in the forest to say beware of bear,
beware of whatever the item might be. But we don't
have to beware of the bigfoot, we don't have to
beware of the dog man. And if these things are

(01:31:41):
really out there like that, I've always felt like we
should be fighting to at the very least be able
to put something like that up because we have people
who unwittingly walk into the forest each and every day,
not really understanding what they might face once they go in.
And I know you were that at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Of the Yeah, I mean, you know, people who live
in the area, people that are are hunters, people that
have had experiences, they know that they're and but the really,
you know, I mean I think that if you put
up those signs, it's not needed for the general population,
you know, the locals. If you put that sign up,

(01:32:22):
most people visiting with their kids would be like, oh,
that's cute bigfoot sign. Oh let's take a picture, honey.
You know, they would think it was a joke. And
then again we go back into the money issue, like,
you know, Bigfoot's there, why are they allowing people in
the park. Well, it's billions of dollars, it's it's tourism.

(01:32:42):
But what I was saying in the break is there's complaints.
First of all, we're seeing this and we don't know
the full background of it, so we don't know how
many people were there from you know, these three guys
showed up, but there could have been a whole team someplace.
So there could have been paramilitary people. I'm not going
to make the assumption, but when power when when when

(01:33:03):
this happens. There are different components to a paramilitary group.
There are the people that go in like you know,
Delta and whoever you want, special forces, guns blazing and
all this other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
What's up, Nathan.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
But you also need people that have to deal with
intelligence and security and control and they're not going to
be loaded to the teeth and approach.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
You know police officers in all black gear. You know,
it's a threat to the police officer, like who are you?

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
You know, I could I could put you know, I
could get a badge too. I could buy a badge
anywhere I want. So police officers have to have a
certain decorum with them and a sense of security. I'm
almost positive that if this is true and what it is,
and I believe it is at this point so far,
these gentlemen were on the the negotiating team like we're

(01:33:59):
taking it. Oh no, you don't understand, we're taking it.
And they're not going to take no for an answer.
And I'm sure someone on the back end or the
commander was already calling into the police officers. The different
whoever responded and said, this is X, Y, and Z,
we're taking it. Three guys are on there, you don't
ask questions, give it up. And they just walked away

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from it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
And because it was done where it was done in
more of a secluded environment, they don't need all the trucks,
the helicopters, you know, the roads blocked off, they don't
need it. It's contained. You don't have to do that
at certain points. But in a public place like in
Colorado when they had a bear attack, they closed down

(01:34:45):
a home National Park and they did like a fifteen
mile radius of no go zone. And that's not just
for bear, you know, I mean, give me a break.
That was a major league one of these things or
a bigfoot. And they're even when that happened. This was
happened a couple of years ago. There are people that

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reported seeing black helicopters coming in and literally something big
was underneath the swinging, you know, coming out of it.
So you know, this is pretty tame compared to what
could be, you know, because if if they're trying to
keep it secret, it's kind of hard to explain how
eight police officers passed away that night. What happened to them.

(01:35:30):
They got mulled by a bear, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Once again. For me, I think the biggest thing is
is that they there's there's actually people out there capturing data,
and which is the most important thing to me, because
I don't know, there's a lot of people out there
that don't know that there's data on the dog Man
or Bigfoot. They just think they hear stories, they don't
really see the evidence. They don't really get to see

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any of this type of stuff. So just for you
guys out there to know that this stuff is out there,
people are actually capturing data and maybe there needs to
be a place to curate it. What do you think
about that? Is there a centralized location where people send
data or can send data like like civilians or yeah,

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it's just like maybe civilians.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Right there is somebody I've got his name, he does
have a dog Man database, and I don't know if
he continues to maintain it. There's you know the big
you know, if you go BFRO, which I'm not a
huge fan of, but they kind of have information. They
kind of went the route of move on for the
most part, and there are a lot of people move

(01:36:41):
on that are really doing a great job, but with
all their politics and all the other crazy stuff going on,
they really need to reorger that group. And you know,
there's a national UFO Reporting Center, so there should be
you know, someone should come up, but there's no you know,
it takes money, National Bigfoot Reporting Center or National dog

(01:37:01):
Man Reporting Center. I try to keep a database. I
was trying to scrape some places and put it into
essential repository where people would have access to it. But
people very interesting. When I started to do it and
I didn't mention it, everything was fine, but once I
opened my mouth, things started to get difficult. So I

(01:37:23):
was like, you know what, I'm not fighting with people anymore.
And for the record, when you're there and you're having
an encounter with it, you're not thinking, hey, let me
pull out my phone and take a selfie with it.
It's just doesn't It does not work that way.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
That would be like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Being someplace in a rabbit pitbull came at you and
are you thinking about, oh, this is cool, let me
do this for my status update. No, you want to
put enough distance between A and B and what have you.
I know Scott Carpenter has done a lot of this stuff,
but again, when you you send DNA in and you

(01:38:02):
and they map it against the database, which is heavily
watched by the government and government agencies and agencies that
do not exist, you risk getting yourself in a lot
of trouble. That's like Dave asked me one time, like
if you had absolute proof, like a bigfoot, what would

(01:38:25):
you do with it? And you can make a lot
of money initially, but they're going to take it from you,
you know, so then you'll be you know, you'll have nothing.
But I think there'd be a lot of people I'd
be like, yeah, I need you to fly out right now.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Yeah, pick up rob you guys come over here, or
and let you see it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
You know, that would be something interesting because if if
it got out, you'd have to do it publicly, like
a mejior league publicly. So that and it's still like
they did this down by the Bayside Mall a couple
of years ago after New Year's cops were there. They

(01:39:09):
said it was a couple of kids with fireworks. It
was not kids with fireworks. It was extremely large inter
dimensional beings, extraterrestrials who went.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
The wrong way.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
They calculated going to Antarctica that's when we have tremendous
solar storms. They got zapped and they went to the
Bayside Mall and they weren't there to see Screech in
the gang. Okay, you know what I'm saying. And what
the police officer were doing. I had I had six
different people lined up and the and and no one

(01:39:42):
would talk to me. After a while, they'd say, no,
I can't talk to you, I can't talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
They were they were scared.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
People to get out of the mall, they had to
unlock their phones and they deleted their their information. That's
not a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Yeah, I've heard that, and I would love to dive
further into that, and maybe we that's we should have
another conversation. I book you for my show, and let's
talk about that for sure. Now with this, I know,
and maybe this is something you can either talk to
or talk against, depending on how this fell. Someone brings

(01:40:17):
up the Melba catchum DNA that have been being processed
back in the day on Bigfoot, and I've heard stories
that that there's nothing game of that, and there was,
it was not DNA or I don't know what you
think about that. If you've looked into that, and is
there bigfoot DNA on hand through that genome research project.

(01:40:42):
I personally that there's.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
People that think it's DNA from bigfoot, but they don't
know it's unknown unknown. Does that lead that it's bigfoot?
It could be it could be a dog man, right,
it could be some other elusive creature that really does exist.

(01:41:05):
It wasn't extinct. We don't know. And if I'm sure,
there's a certain markers for a bigfoot or a dog
man in a government based database, and if they see it,
it's getting pulled immediately, instantaneously, and then all that other
stuff's getting scrubbed.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
So, I mean, what was there What was the controversy
though behind Melbo Ketchum, because I know she supposed we
had gone through some sort of ordeal behind this study
and came out maybe not looking so great on the
other side. Just from what I've read about this, do
you have any information on that?

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
I don't have much much more on it. It's it's
not that I just discredited. It's you're still going into
a system that is governed by eyes that are there
watching every second, and if they don't want this is
it's a classic result of how the government used to work,

(01:42:09):
so they'll discredit you or they'll cause the controversy. So
then now you have a bigger problem. And then if
you really push it, because this has happened to other people,
and you start pushing, you don't stop after like, you know,
a few warnings and you become a pain and that
you know what, guess what they find on your computer?
They find child pornography or some other really bad stuff.

(01:42:31):
And then the next thing you know, you're in prison.
And you don't want to go to prison as a
child pornographer, right right, right, Okay you don't. So they
have ways of doing it. I mean, my my buddy
one day he said he got stopped by people, men
in black what do you if you want to call it?
And they threatened him, and they threatened and they said, yeah,
I tell you a friend too, you know, if he

(01:42:53):
opened his mouth whatever. So he was visibly shaken from it.
And I was like, well, okay, I'm going to take
your word for it. But I wasn't there. But I
started contacting the people I know, and nothing came of it. Nothing,
So you know, maybe the people I know, they like

(01:43:14):
leave him alone, or you know, maybe they stood up
you know. I let certain individuals know and I said,
can you look into it? You know, and never heard
anything from them, but doesn't discredit them. If I'm if
I'm doing things or coming out with information and I'm
speaking about it and I'm providing some form of evidence

(01:43:35):
for whatever and letting the public know, and that puts
a crimp in there.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Whatever you know, parade or what their or their.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Plans, they will monitor you. They will discredit you. They
will oh, he's crazy or whatever. You know, I predicted
and want to say it. I not that long ago.
I said there's going to be white smoke over and
I get you know, I get people. I've done this before.

(01:44:04):
I've told people don't go on a train. There's gonna
be a train crash. And one of my buddies is
in the UK. He's a he's a he's the author
of Beasts of Britain and and he does movies you
know TV now and he's kind of skeptical on certain
things because he doesn't have the evidence of the proof.
So when he comes here, I'm gonna take him some

(01:44:25):
place and go there you go, you're happy now, you know,
And he'll go, Okay, Now I got it, but he's like,
didn't you just predict this? I said, yes, I did,
and a train crashed and I I used to contact people.
I've contacted friends, like you need to go see the
doctor tomorrow immediately, you need to go. And some people

(01:44:48):
kind of blew it off, and then they weren't feeling
well and said they should have listened. Other people went
and they found out that they have a major problem.
I'm not doing this for you know, kids shows. You
can't hire me for a birthday party, you know. I'm
doing it to try to help people. And I got
questions and I got answers that you know, I want
to answers, just like everybody in this chat, people that

(01:45:09):
are listening to it, you know. Yeah, it's just it's
it's crazy, you know. We need to get rid of
the the people that are in there. At one to
forty nine, we.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Got eight through. We got eight minutes left here for
the end, and we have about four three questions here.
These are two that you were touching on during the break.
First one was the Damian Wyant question, where statements saying
the units they deal with these creatures would be in
full tactical gear and armed well and you made a
statement about that during the break, Yeah, I did. I mean,

(01:45:47):
I pretty much we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
We're just seeing what we see here, but they're very
well could be armed guards and a tactical group with
these three men, because it seems to be more than
one truck at one point and one location, and you
don't know who was in the woods. So unless we
had more images and more color, we couldn't really tell
what would happen. So, but you also have to have

(01:46:11):
the liaison that deals with people on a non alpha level.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Okay, and this is another part of what you were
addressing as well. Oh, p Pierry casts a lot of
cash to keep a chopper up in the sky and
spy on you. Ninety eight percent of people aren't worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Right, But we're not talking about people. We're talking about
a cryptid that is basically a killing machine.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
I think you maybe making when I made the statement
earlier about when Dave said that, you know, likely those
people with five hundred subscribers aren't having these choppers black
helicopter over the studios. Yeah, I think I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Yeah, I don't have I don't think I have choppers,
and I don't think I do anything crazy. I do
have people I know and they've asked for my assessments
on certain events, and I've given them, you know, assessments
with things, or I've warned them about certain places to
look at certain locations. And that was last New Year's Eve.

(01:47:12):
Is just an example. I did it early in December
and magically, within forty eight hours of me sending it,
not hearing back from anybody, because I don't expect it.
Certain individuals were arrested for trying to sell nuclear material.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
All right, this is one question that we've I'm sure
we've talked about before, but I would love to hear
Missing four one one as it pertains to Bigfoot and
dog Man. Are they responsible for a percentage of these
or what do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
I think part of yeah, I think some of them
are and a lot of them they're animals, they eat meat,
they probably will eat themselves. And then on top of that,
you have the normal range of animal, and then you
have of what could be considered a mentally challenged or
disfigurement or deformity, and you don't know what they're like.

(01:48:10):
It's usually when it gets really out of control with
a Bigfoot or a dog man. It's usually that I
say juvenile, but we're not talking about a little kid
going to pre k or elementary school. We're talking about
a teenager with raging hormones and think they can kick
your butt every time you go out to the mall
or whatever, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Spitting vinegar and they're going to show it off.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
And the older ones know that if you if you
cause a problem, bullets will fly. You know it's going
to be a bigger deal. So they usually rein them in.
But missing for one, it's very well could be that.
I'm still trying to figure out that the staircases that
go to nowhere, but I think they go somewhere, you know,

(01:48:58):
And a lot of people I've talked to about them said,
do not climb those stairs if you find him in
the woods, because they may be doorways into a different
dimension or a portal and you don't know what happens.
There's somebody that's very familiar to the network, this network.
It was on an investigation they used to heat thermal
that part of their team went through something. They disappeared

(01:49:21):
and then they came out at the other end, and like,
what the heck was that? And that seemed to be
a portal, and not long after them, you know, not
very long after they all got very very sick and died.
So I'm working with somebody in state of Florida. There's
a place that has portals on it, and I told
them none of us are going in there, but we're

(01:49:42):
going to send a drone in because you know, I
don't need to die or go into some space that
I'm not familiar with.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
And not be able to find your way back. Yeah.
I've always been afraid of those those trees that are
a hollowed out enough big enough for someone to walk into.
I've always been afraid of those, but not necessarily because
of the phenomena. But now that I realize that there's
other things that go on, it just makes me even

(01:50:11):
more afraid to approach those portals. Now here's the last
question actually was lines right up with portals from Pira
mar It was on The question was talking about earlier
with the Miami Mall, says, Can I ask how you
know that info about the Miami Mall? What happens if
I didn't give up my phone to delete picks? How

(01:50:32):
did about them heading to Antarctica and missed Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
So if you take the reverse of where the GPS
coordinates of the Miami Mall with Bayside Mall, you reverse it,
it takes you to Antarctica and pretty close to where
the pyramids are and some other stuff. And there's a
lot of talk about these interdimensionals and other beings heading

(01:50:59):
to ant Article and having space up there they use.
That's why every nation on the planet, even the ones
that are fighting wars in front of your face, all
agree about Antarctica. Something weird's going up there as far
as knowing about it. Not long before that Miami Mall incident,
I had two separate instances of One was a fleet

(01:51:22):
of UFOs, seven of them flying south from Miami direction
over my house north, heading up towards it's in Palm
Beach County. My youngest daughters saw them. She's like, oooh,
I saw UFO. I said, you didn't see one. You
saw seven, you know. And we have some video, but

(01:51:43):
it's not great because it's it's crappy iPhone video and
iPhone has an artifact and it's it's just not you know,
I can't keep a good camera on me. Twenty four
to seven, and then not long before that, on the
twenty ninth of December, when my same youngest was having
you know, three or four friends over at the house,

(01:52:04):
like twelve year olds. I have all girls. I don't
need to hang out with twelve you know, that would
just like I'd start drinking at that point. So I
was hanging out back and I went up to get
another one of these bad boys and a UFO same color,
and everything kind of like on fire came towards me

(01:52:27):
over my house.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
I called out to everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Everybody came out and I video, you know, taped on
my phone and it went.

Speaker 1 (01:52:35):
It started heading south.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Okay, we're not that far away from where the Miami
Mall was. That's one two. During that time period, we
were going through a major solar storms storms, you know,
like coronal mass ejections, and.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
It's my theory that it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Got bombarded by these coronal mass ejections. The equipment got
fried and reversed it and that's why they ended up
at the mall. They weren't shopping for Prada or you know,
or going to Lululemon. And what was described there was
these beings that were kind of flickering, and that is

(01:53:18):
typical of something that's straddling of multiple dimensions where they're
kind of in both at the same time. They have
the ability to do that, but they can physically be
in one another. You look at the videos that were
coming out Independent.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
There are ten.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Foot plus foot beings that are walking right in front
of your face and you can see them. It's not shadows.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
It will have to pin it right there and save
it for the next show. You got about thirty seconds here.
Just tell her by the way, they can find you
in that video at Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
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So I appreciate everybody being here and I hope you enjoyed.

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And thanks for coming in. Man, it was awesome. As always,
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All right around, everybody, Welcome back to spaced Out Radio,
the After Hours Radio Show edition, filling in for Dave
Scott tonight. We got about fifteen seconds before we come
back from radio our our three will do tills until
mister Press Misters with Steve Stockton, and then the UFO
Report with Tim James or Paranormal Report. We'll see what
happens is where you're ready to go, all right, since

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that crash, give me just a second, guys, we don't
miss a beat here, all right, everybody, Welcome back spaced

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Out Radio to After Hours Radio Show edition. Filling them
for Dave Scott here tonight hour number two one and two. Awesome,
Brian Bowen. To make sure if you missed any of that,
have an archive. Now we get into our Green the
Tales Untold miss Person Mysteries with Steve Stockton. Also the
ufrow Report a paranormal Report. We'll see you tonight with
UFO Tim James. Also, I'll end the night out with

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some weird news. As we get ready to jump right
back into the show, I want to go ahead and
bring up Steve Stockton with Tales Untold, miss Personal Mysteries,
because once again this is a guy that we definitely
appreciate having a part of the show and hopefully that
relationship will continue as we jump right on into it.

Speaker 10 (02:01:37):
Welcome to Tales Untold and Missing Person's Mysteries on Space
Out Radios after hours. My name is Steve Stockton and
I'm here to take you on a journey of mysteries,
legends and true stories. Come join me on this strange
adventure of Tales Untold and Missing person Mysteries.

Speaker 1 (02:01:57):
Number one Ranger Ralph W. Heath. Ralph W.

Speaker 10 (02:02:02):
Heath was a park ranger at Baxter State Park in Maine,
United States, who allegedly died of exposure while attempting to
rescue a woman who was lost on Mount Catadden in
nineteen sixty three. On Monday October twenty eighth of that year,
two women, Helen Mower and Margaret Ibsik, both from Concord, Massachusetts,

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took the Cathedral Trail and climbed Baxter Peak on the mountain.
They reached the summit and stopped to have lunch at
around one thirty in the afternoon, when the two friends
decided to start their hike again and head back down.
They had a small argument over the route Margaret wanted
to take. Helen simply wanted to go back the way
they came, but Margaret wanted to bushwhack, which very simply

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put means to leave the established trail or get off
the beaten path as it were. Helen knew how risky
this was. Although Margaret had more hiking experience than she did,
not by much and only three years total, she thought
it way too dangerous and stormed off to take Dudley Trail,
which was the original trail they had taken to get
there in the first place, and let her friend make

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her own mistakes and go her own way. It was
a decision she would later regret very much. Margaret, on
the other hand, thought she was taking a shortcut and
laughed off her friend's warnings, and they went their separate ways,
agreeing to meet at the Chimney Pond Lean to when
Helen reached the final destination and saw there was no
sign of Margaret. She decided to wait, but got very

(02:03:27):
worried very quickly. Though it was a nice and sunny
day out that day, a nor'easter was blowing in and
the weather was about to very quickly take a turn
for the worse. She started calling for Margaret at the headwhell,
near and towards the mountain itself. She was pleasantly surprised
when she heard her friend respond and started calling back

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despite the fact she was asking for help. Margaret yelled
that she was not hurt, but was stuck in the
treacherous terrain and wouldn't possibly be able to continue or
turn back, and pleaded with Helen to go and get
some help. This is when Helen made her way to
the ranger station and encountered Ranger Ralph Heath having dinner.
She explained the situation, and Ralph immediately knew how dangerous

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that path was and how serious the problem they had.
He was, however, thanking his lucky stars in his mind
at least that there hadn't been any snowfall, at least
not yet as any other year for as far back
as he could remember, there would have been snow covering
the mountain for weeks at that point in the year.
Ralph followed Helen back to Chimney Point and yelled out

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of the direction of Margaret and instructed her in a
very calm and clear voice to stay where she was
and not try to move or go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:04:38):
Help was on the way.

Speaker 10 (02:04:41):
With the wind increasing like it was, Ralph knew that
the situation could go from scary to deadly in a
matter of just seconds.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
He had to act fast.

Speaker 10 (02:04:50):
He took Helen back to the ranger station and radioed
his supervisor, Helen Taylor, and told him there was a
hiker stranded in the upper basin on the mountain. Now
a little background on mister Ralph Heath to show what
a brave man he was, indeed, and now he was
definitely not someone to shy away from trouble. He served
in World War Two and was honorably discharged. However, a

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house fire destroyed everything he owned but to clothes on
his back, including his discharge papers. He was redrafted to
serve in the Korean War. Before anyone could verify he
had already been discharged and had finished his service to
the country. Ralph, however, went without hesitation to serve, only
for his wife to decide she didn't want to deal
with another tour, especially one he shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
Have had to have gone on, and filed for divorce.

Speaker 10 (02:05:38):
So this was a man who was seeking solitude and
peace in his life after all of this tragedy and heartbreak,
and he absolutely loved his job as a ranger and
the beauty of the mountains. Despite the weather outside becoming
more and more perilous and the orders from the supervising
ranger that they had to wait until morning to attempting
to kind of search and rescue, Ralph decided the risk

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to Margaret was too great leaving her out there all
alone at night. Snow was definitely coming out, a lot
of it. He decided to attempt to rescue himself, despite
it being nightfall and dark outside. The temperature had drastically
dropped as well. He borrowed Helen's backpack and filled it
with essentials such as food, a sleeping bag, water, a parka,

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and extra clothes. He also took eighty feet of rope,
and at eleven PM that same night, headed alone down
Dudley Trail. It wasn't until five hours later, at four
in the morning that he reported back to Helen. He
told her he had spoken to Margaret about an hour
after heading out and was able to obturn her location.
When he again told her to stay put and assured

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her help was on the way, she reiterated she was uninjured,
but very cold. She's probably more than a little scared
as well, I'm sure. He told Helen that Margaret was
near the waterfall and he wouldn't be able to reach
her without more rope and more people. This was an
area that even ice climbers considered treachers and dangerous. Ralph

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was also extremely concerned because Margaret was refusing to stay
and wait for help to arrive, and was determined to
find a way out herself for fear she would freeze
to death before anyone would be able to rescue her.
After reassuring Helen and telling her what was going on,
he contacted his supervisor, hel And Taylor, and made him
aware as well. Taylor dispatched the main force service, two

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additional park rangers, and a main game warden. By six
in the morning Tuesday, the twenty ninth, an icy rain
began to fall and the wind had picked up drastically.
Ralph heath ate his breakfast and then informed Helen Mayer
of his plans. He was going to send the ravine
from Chimney Pond climbed straight up the head wall and
into the waterfall, where he would provide comfort to Barbara,

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and if he couldn't manage to rescue himself, at least
she wouldn't be scared alone and he would wait whi
her until the additional resources arrived to get them both out.
Now he was clearly putting himself at great risk, knowing
it was unlikely he would be able to do anything
but just sit with Margaret and waite.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Yep, he did it anyway. He was truly a hero.

Speaker 10 (02:08:08):
While the plan was very reasonable, and despite being a chainsmoker,
Ralph was in great shape and a capable hiker and climber. However,
he had hiked Dudley Trail four times in the last
twenty four hours and it was a very strenuous and
hard trail to get through. He was absolutely exhausted at
this point. It shouldn't have been doing any more hiking
or climbing without getting so much needed ressed. This would,

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after all be a trailless climb. He was planning to
make He wasn't going to leave Margaret, however, so the
admonishments and warnings from his coworkers and even Helen fell
on deaf ears. Ralph reached Barbara just as Hurricane Jenny
reached the mountain. He sat with her for a little
while and the two hunkered down. A ranger sergeant set

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out on foot towards Chimney Pond as well, and stated
that by the time he got to just the basin,
the conditions were white out with gale force winds. By noon,
not even the jeeps could make it to the trailhead.
There was eighteen inches of snow already and more falling fast.
He even reported that only halfway up the mountain his

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clothes had frozen solid and literally cracked at the elbows.
Having no visibility in facing merciless winds, not to mention
the condition of his clothing, forced him back down the mountain.
He stated he knew that both Ralph and Margaret were
in some very serious trouble. His help could no longer
get to them, it would be impossible for them to
help themselves as well. The following morning, Wednesday, October thirtieth,

(02:09:37):
nineteen sixty three, Warden's supervisor, David Priest, returned to Roaring
Brook and set up what we today call an incident
command center, and had at least thirty five people there
at working at all times. All different avenues of help
were brought in and explored, but nobody could do anything
as the snow was still accumulating and fast. On Friday
morning flashed forward to November first, been five full days

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since Margaret had gotten herself stuck, and four whole days
since Ralph Heath had joined her to provide comfort and
possible rescue, which we know now he was unable to do.
On Saturday, November second, all teams and persons involved decided
that any rescue attempts were futile, that they were simply
wasting resources. At that point, Mister William Lowell Putnam the
Third was one of the most experienced mountaineers in the

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country at the time and had been helping with the
rescue efforts since Friday. Finally, on Sunday, November three, he
made the statement that he believed Ralph and Margaret had
most likely died on Tuesday, and reiterated the waste of
resources should they continue on this impossible trick to try
and save them. It was until almost six months later,
in April of nineteen sixty four, that Margaret Iversix's body

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was found and finally able to be brought down the
mountain and sent home. Even at this time, though they
needed chemical salts to melt the ice, was not to
damage the corpse in any way, and the rescue still
took an additional three days. It was found during the
autopsy that Margaret was severely injured and hadn't survived more
than a few hours due to the extreme blood loss.

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Her official cause of death was exanguination. In other words,
she bled out. Two weeks later, on May fifteenth, they
finally found Ralph's body. He was found, oddly enough, four
hundred feet above where Margaret was found. They airlifted him
out of there, and his autopsy showed nothing at all.

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The corner stated, it looks as if he simply sat
down and went to sleep, which is not uncommon when
people freeze to death.

Speaker 1 (02:11:37):
All right, telles Hun told mister person Mysteries once again
shout out to Steve Stockton for lacing us up every
single weekend and actually this after hours radio show addition,
filling in for Dave Scott, so Steve Stockton on the
weekday is a jewel as well. As we go ahead

(02:11:57):
and get ready to jump in to maybe the UFO
de Cryptive Report. Well guess we're gonna see right about
now as we are joined by Tim James. All right, awesome,

(02:12:29):
awesome stuff. We are joined by UFO, Tim James and
Tim not sure if we're doing UFO Report or pure
a normal report tonight, which which will it be.

Speaker 3 (02:12:38):
I'm not one hundred percent sure yet, Rob, I'm really not.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
I'm I don't know.

Speaker 11 (02:12:42):
I've been going through some stuff here and I've been
reading and I'm I don't know. I'm just not really
impressed with what's going on in the UFO world.

Speaker 3 (02:12:52):
Man, I'm really not.

Speaker 11 (02:12:54):
I'm finding a lot of a lot of you know,
a lot of promises surprise that seemed to be falling flat.

Speaker 1 (02:13:02):
But yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 11 (02:13:05):
So got a got a bit of a soap box
and yeah I got yeah, I got tons of stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
I don't know where you want to go, man. You
know you did state earlier that you had this itch
you needed to get off, and I'm all about that,
So go ahead and scratch that it, sir, okay.

Speaker 11 (02:13:25):
So I don't know about you, Okay, I'm being from
up here in Canada and you know, the polite people
and all that sort of good stuff. I ran across
that article, an article I guess yesterday, yeah, probably yesterday,
and it was this Wikipedia thing where they're gonna this

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they wanted to start wiping people out. So, I mean,
just my opinion so far, it's Wikipedia, okay, and I
get that it may not be the end all be
all of information for all of us and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (02:14:01):
But the problem that I have with it, it's a start.
It's the start.

Speaker 11 (02:14:06):
It's that crack where they put that wedgin and they
and they can start censoring and eliminating things that they
don't like. I get it, but this, I don't know.
This is a dangerous and a slippery slope. So I
kind of wrote up a little article and this is
all my opinion. I did one of these on Monday,
and I'm hoping everybody's okay with it. But this is
another one and I'm not too impressed. So in a move,

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in a move that was wreaking of intellectual cowardice and
agenda driven censorship, Wikipedia has targeted the pages of Christopher
Mellen Pipa Melgrim and her late father, Harold Melgram, for
deletion and which is basically a blatant assault on credible
voices advocating for you of FHO disclosure. This coordinated purge,

(02:14:54):
spearheaded by editor at Chetzford, reeks of calculated effort to
silence high pro filed figures whose credentials and revelations threatened
the establishment. Script on the UAP narrative, Christopher Mellon, former
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under Clinton and Bush,
is no fringe conspiracy theorist. As a key figure behind

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the release of the Pentagon's twenty seventeen UFO videos, Melons
worked with The New York Times and To the Stars
Academy forced the US government to admit UFOs are real.
His Wikipedia page, Meticulously Sourced, was acted on flimsy grounds,
with Chetsford dismissing it as a BLP. So a BLP

(02:15:39):
is a biography of a living person reliant on non
independent sources like UFO organizations. This conveniently ignores Melon's extensive
coverage and outlets like The Guardian. The Vice Cherry picked
his mere quotes to justify a ratier, so the timing
suspiciously aligned with his vocal push for congressional European investigations.

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Harold Malgram, a senior advisor of four or to for
US presidents Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford, was a titan
of geopolitics and economics, with a Yale Summa cum Lauda
degree and Oxford PhD. His deathbed testimony aired in a
four hour American Alchemy interview on April twenty second, which

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dropped bombshells claims of handling UFO debris, witnessing extraterrestrial footage,
and CIE briefings on other world technologies from Richard Bissel,
former head of Area fifty one operations. Within twenty four hours,
chetsford denomination of his page for deletion, sneering at a
wacky claim about marauding space aliens and downplaying Malcolm's storied

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career as a minor staffer. This smear in sults a
man whose economic papers were cited by the Supreme Court
and whose diplomatic work shaped global trade.

Speaker 1 (02:17:03):
The nomination's venomous tone.

Speaker 11 (02:17:04):
And evocation of obscure Uphone nation rules betray a desperate
bid to bury his UFO disclosures. Now Pippa Milgram, Harold's daughter,
a former economic adviser under George W. Bush, faces the
same guillotine. Her substack articles and interviews amplifying her father's

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claims and advocating for UAP transparency have made her a target.
Chetsford's nomination of her page alongside her father's dismisses her
as a mere echo of the usual in quotes the
usual people in UFO circles, ignoring her independent stature as

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an economist, excuse me, and author credited with coining shrink flation.
The timing hours after Harold's explosive interview screams retaliation against
her role in amplifying his legacy. X posts were ablaze
with outrage, calling out Chetford's deletion as shameless attempt at

(02:18:07):
censorship which I agree with, and linking them to skeptic
groups like Susan Gabrick's Gorilla skeptics known for policing UAP content.
Users pointed to the striis and effect, noting that racing
these pages only draws more attention to Malgrim and Mellon's claims.
One post quips they're trying to delete history, but the

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intent never or the Internet never forgets. This isn't about
Wikipedia's notability standards, not at all. It's a witch hunt.
Chetford's nominations weaponized bureaucratic jargon and discredit unimpeachable sources, mischaracterizing
Melons and Malgram's careers while sidestepping their UAP advcy advocacy impact.

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The deletions aligned with a broader pattern of suppressing UFO whistleblowers,
from David Grush to Elizondo, whose revelations that forced government accountability.
By erasing these pages, Wikipedia isn't just rewriting history. It's
complicit in stifling a truth the public actually deserves. As

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Pippa Malgolm asked, what's the cost of assuming this isn't true?
Apparently for Wikipedia, the cost is integrity itself. It drives
me nuts.

Speaker 3 (02:19:23):
So update.

Speaker 1 (02:19:25):
What they did with Harold's.

Speaker 11 (02:19:28):
Wikipedia page is they basically removed anything to do with
UFOs and UAPs and left it because he's passed, so
it's a biography on what he accomplished in the mainstream.
Melon's completely wiped out, there's no choice of it on Wikipedia,
and Pippa's is still got the little red box up there.
And this has been nominated for deletion. This stuff drives

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me nuts. It's like I say, I know it's just Wikipedia,
and I know it's a small piece, but if people
will allow this to happen, this is my opinion. If
people allow this to happen, oh yeah, that's just Wikipedia,
what's next, What's next?

Speaker 1 (02:20:08):
These people work.

Speaker 11 (02:20:09):
Their butts off to try to move with the disclosure movement,
and there's people out there that are trying to pull
the carpet out and pull the credit even you.

Speaker 3 (02:20:18):
Know, obviously their credibility away.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
So that's my rant, and that's an awesome rant as well,
and well placed as well, because yeah, I mean, we
definitely don't want to give up freedoms. We want to
have places out there that we feel like are safe
places to go or look to when it comes to
absorbing information. I think, as I was listening and thinking about,

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you know, I think one of the things that gave
Wikipedia its credibility is the Pedia part. Right. We all
grew up on encyclopedias where this was the only way
for you to go back and get historical data or knowledge.
So I think the brand gives it that, and it's
a shame that it's so easy as for a group

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of individuals to go on there, it altered the things
that were written. Now you'd also have to ask yourself
where were these things sourced from originally? And when they
put the Wikipedia page together, where was their original data
source from? And could it be considered a place that
is authentic or has it always been misinformation when it

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comes to Wikipedia. From the start, we just you know,
are holding the trust in the Pedia aspect of it.
So I thought about that. But then we know that
there's actively a group out there called the Guerrilla Skeptics
who were brought up a few years back and they
were editing everyone's page Mit Lou Alexander, all the important

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names within ufology. And then what that does for me,
even without you know, this latest story coming to forefront,
it still makes me think when I'm reading, am I
reading something that has or has now already been altered
by these gurrilla Skeptics because it then takes the value
away from the page, And I think, I don't know

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if that's a war that we can even win as
far as I restoring that back into Wikipedia, because I
think it's already been lost.

Speaker 3 (02:22:18):
Yeah, And you're right, and that's the thing. It's a
two sided coin.

Speaker 11 (02:22:22):
And like I say, yeah, you have to tread carefully
obviously when you're reading and researching through Wikipedia, because anybody
can go in and change anything.

Speaker 3 (02:22:32):
But for something that you and I and the audience
and all the.

Speaker 11 (02:22:38):
Listeners probably know about these people, you can go and read,
you go, yeah, you know that this is legit because
we've studied or we've heard stories. But to go in
and actually wipe out something that's legitimate because for whatever reason,
well all his reasons are their reasons doesn't make sense,

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and it's just here comes out censorship thing. And again
it's only Wikipedia, but it's and see, so how do
you even come back that? Just going forward, if you
think just realistically, if we say, okay, today we're going
to start a new website which is going to be
one hundred accurate on historical data, and like what steps

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would we need to take to keep it that way?
Because you have all those hackers out there.

Speaker 1 (02:23:27):
You have people who even as cure as your site
might be, they have the ability to sneak through the
back door and alter the data. And it's like, so
how do we will we ever get to points where
we can really point to some particular site as credible
or is it going to always go back to the individuals? Like,
which is why where social media comes into play because

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you have this direct person's quote unquote website or information
coming right from the horse's mouth in a lot of cases.
So is that where social media ends up being where
we should be looking to going forward for all of
our information?

Speaker 11 (02:24:06):
Yeah, that's that's it too. I mean, you know you're
you're danged if you do, you're danged if you don't.
And yeah, which way do you turn? And how how
do you vet these stories? And because you know, if
you if you don't know what it's about, that's why
you're looking up the information. And you know, so they

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could tell you that he had purple hair and whatever
and you don't know, so you're researching it and you.

Speaker 3 (02:24:34):
Wow, like I had purple hair and every No, he didn't.
Where'd you get that from?

Speaker 1 (02:24:38):
Exactly? Exactly? And that's awesome. As we get ready to
go into our final break in the night, Tim James
stepping in speaking his mind and you got to do
that sometimes it's therapeutic, and uh, it actually helps get
other alternative opinions out there. I would recommend that you
all do that as well as we get ready to

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go to our break and come. I'm back right after
this with more Tim James and maybe some UFO weird news.
See you guys in just a minute. All right, we
are clear, We are clear.

Speaker 3 (02:25:16):
Excellent?

Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:25:20):
So getting ready for getting excited for Vegas or what
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
I definitely am, I definitely am. I'm trying to find
out what our itinerary is going to look like, so
I know kind of because it's going to be over
like four or five days. I don't know that I'm
there the entire time, but I want to make sure
I'm there during the important parts, if you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:25:42):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 11 (02:25:45):
It's your first time, yeah or no, actually no, this
this is my second time. The first time was I
rode from uh after I had divorced from my first wife.
I had nothing left but my heart and a bunch
of stuff, so I decided to take some time off work,

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got on the Harley Road for Vancouver all the way
down the coast, down through into Los Angeles, stayed out
in Los Angeles, and then drove across to went into
Vegas and stayed at some hotel motel, and I don't
remember too much of the trip.

Speaker 3 (02:26:21):
Until I left that more a couple days later. Yeah,
it's a bit of a mess that that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
That is one, especially if you got to just if
you need time to think and all that, that's a
good trip to take right there. Do you remember how
you got back as far as the route you went back, Yeah,
I was.

Speaker 11 (02:26:40):
Gonna I was gonna truck back across and go up
the coast, but I just did the I five, went
through the I five and just followed it straight up.

Speaker 3 (02:26:47):
Yeah, but the coast is unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (02:26:50):
It is, it is.

Speaker 1 (02:26:52):
I'm trying to h I was trying to see if
you had actually taken the trip going up, you know,
from Vegas to Reno to eighty then over. Yeah, because
you're going to see that, you know, during this trip
we talked about going to Area fifty one, So that's
going to be you're gonna get to see some of
that and it is so awesome and so epic. Oh
my god, that's what I really want to make sure

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I'm there for that.

Speaker 11 (02:27:16):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely, I'm looking forward to that.
Hardcore that's gonna be awesome. Get some picks and see
if we can get.

Speaker 1 (02:27:24):
Kicked out or yeah, it's not that hard to do. Actually,
they'll they'll depending on you know, they'll annoy you sometimes.
And here's the thing. It's public land. You cannot actually
make us leave. You can't tell us to leave. We
could sit there, if we could camp for five days straight,
if we want to, right in front of the gates.

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There's nothing they can do. But you'll see video of
them turning on sirens and making loud noises and turning
on bright lights at night just to kind of get
on your nerves and try to get you out of it.
Or they team up with the police department in that
county area fifty one is in Lincoln County, and so

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they are so buddy buddy they'll call for anything and
they will drive all those miles to get out to
where you're at just to do the bidding of the
area fifty one security. So it's a weird relationship, and
that's why you get a lot of people to go
out there and kind of try to trigger those what
they call camo dudes. Yeah, because they're you know, they're

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little babies as far as it comes, just like dude,
we drove all the way out here. Let us have
some fun. This is all our land anyways. Let us
have a bit of fun.

Speaker 11 (02:28:41):
Yeah, exactly. We we're not coming into to do anything wrong.
We're just here to take some pictures, look at the
fence and see what we can see.

Speaker 1 (02:28:49):
And even if you did make it across the fence magically,
which there isn't a fence, there's only a fence to
drive in. Otherwise you could walk right through the desert.
Even if you got a cross, you have like ten
to fifteen miles before you get to anywhere relevant as
far as in five to fifty one, So there's no
way you're gonna see or make it to see anything.

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And they just, you know, it just makes you feel
like they're doing so much there when they probably aren't.
All those programs have moved on from there anyways. So true.
But we'll get to see space out Radio making trouble
at area fifty one. That's the new video we're gonna
have to put together.

Speaker 11 (02:29:30):
Yeah, dug, Well, I'm sure we'll be filming some stuff.
Oh yeah, I know I will for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:29:35):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:29:36):
Hopefully if someone has starlink, that'll just kind of be
the middle finger to Elon Musk because we'll get to
broadcast live from Mary fifty one, which I know he
would love that. Right, wrong, wrong, all right, we got
about thirty seconds left here. Super Run thirteen says it

(02:29:58):
gets logged off if you were forward something up there.
I can tell you some stories I've been researching, and
I've been to Area fifty one. It's just when I
started going down that dirt road to get there. My girl,
she was with me. She made me turn around. She
was too scared. Yes, so I get my redemption here
coming up in a few days here. We're coming right

(02:30:19):
back right now, all right, everybody, welcome back Space Scout
Radio to after.

Speaker 3 (02:30:25):
Hours radio show.

Speaker 1 (02:30:26):
Addition, killing in for Day Scott here tonight, and we've
had an awesome show. I swear we have Sir Brian
Bowden for hours one and two. We had Steve Socker
tells Untold Mister Person Mysteries kicking off our three. Now
we're joined by Tim James and we'll be wrapping things
up with the UFO and Weird News. It's gonna be awesome.

(02:30:46):
Last half hour. Don't go anywhere as we jump right
back into the show. So Tim James so you spoke
what was on your mind, You spoke how you felt,
did you have any more did you have any more
you were adding to that, or did you have anything
else you wanted to talk about here?

Speaker 11 (02:31:07):
Yeah, no, I've got I've got a weird story. And
it's not necessarily UFO, like Robin alluded to a few times.
It's it's just weird and creepy. And so backstory to this.
I was watching, obviously, scrolling through news like I do
all the time, and I ran across this vision video

(02:31:30):
and it was like, you know, you're you're scrolling through
and it's that black and white video where you go, what.

Speaker 1 (02:31:34):
The heck's going on?

Speaker 3 (02:31:35):
Okay, this looks like this mights me interesting.

Speaker 11 (02:31:37):
So it shows there's it's a camera from the top
of a building and it's there's a lady that's and
this is in Turkey, I think if I remember coructly, yeah, Turkey.
And she's walking along the sidewalk closer like kind of
closer to the buildings than the road, and there's a
truck coming down the road behind her, you can see it,

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and this gentleman walk is walking behind her kind of
to her. I guess her left walks by and taps
her in the video, and then all of a sudden,
she turns around like you know, it's like when somebody
taps you on the on the opposite shoulder, you do
the spin.

Speaker 1 (02:32:14):
She did one of those.

Speaker 11 (02:32:15):
She turns around and all these crates come falling off
of the truck.

Speaker 3 (02:32:21):
So I was like, oh, I got to dig into this.

Speaker 11 (02:32:23):
So this happened in twenty nineteen, so a grainy security
camera in a bustling market street in Izmir, Turkey, captured
an event that the whole that would later spark endless debate.
A young street vendor, Elf Kya, was tending to hear
flower stall arranging vibrant roses under the midday sun. Unbeknownst

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to her, a delivery truck parked nearby had a loose
cargo strap and a stack of heavy crates teetering dangerously
as the driver began to pull away. So at eleven
forty seven am, a man in a faded gray coat
appeared in the frame of this film. He moved with purpose,
his face obscured by a low cap, and he tapped

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Elf on the shoulder. Witnesses later recalled hearing him mutter
be alert now startled, Ellef turned just as the truck
jolted forward and the crates tumbled off the side. She
leapt back, narrowly avoiding the impact as the wooden boxes
splintered on the pavement where she stood moments before. The

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crash drew a crowd, obviously, but when Elif turned to
thank the savior, the man had vanished into the maze
of market stalls, leaving no trays. So the footage spread
rapidly online, amassing millions of views. So Ellef's shaken but unharmed,
told local reporters she'd never seen the man before, yet
his voice carried an eerie familiarity, like a distant memory.

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The story took a surreal turn when an elderly woman,
a regular at the market, claimed the man resembled her
late her late brother, a sailor who died in nineteen
seventy five. She insisted the coat was identical to the
one he'd worn, down to the missing button on the cuff,
a detail faintly visible in the actual footage of the incident. Online,

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Sleuthe dug deeper, some pointing out the man's cap bore
a faded emblem resembling a defunct shipping company from the
nineteen sixties. Others analyzed his gait, noting it matched no
one in the market that day, as if he'd appeared
and disappeared from thin air. A fringe theory emerged the

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man was a spectral guardian, tied to the market by
some unresolved past. Historians noted that the street was built
over an old dock where the tragic fire claimed lives
decades ago. Could the man be a restless spirit bound
to protect others from harm. Skeptics, however, argued the man
might have been a passerby with a quick with hi

(02:35:00):
quick instincts, perhaps aware of the truck's faulty load from
earlier in the day. Right, They suggested he fled to
avoid attention. Okay, possibly due to legal troubles. Yeah, bad
guys are running away from helping people. Yet despite extensive searches,
no one came forward, and facial recognition attempts through close

(02:35:21):
circuit TV failed due to the footage low quality. The
mystery of Ismir, of the Ismir Phantom, and there's a
haunting blend of mundane and the inexplicable. A lake keeps
a single rose from this day, preserved in her stall
a quiet tribute to the stranger who saved your life
before vanishing into thin air.

Speaker 1 (02:35:44):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (02:35:45):
Wow, that's a trippy. It's a trippy video. It's very short,
but you kind of go, what the heck? It just Yeah,
even watching it, you go, something's not right.

Speaker 1 (02:35:55):
Well, I've seen you know some of that, I guess
if you want to call it proof where where living
things are aware of something that's there that other people
aren't seen for whatever reason. And I saw a dog
when I was researching my whole ORB situation, and I
came across a time where an ORB flew right past

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a dog and as it flew, he turned and looked
in that direction. I'm like, Okay, this can't be seen
by human eyes. So is it that the phenomena can
be seen in a certain spectrum or are they is
it only visible to certain individuals in that moment? Like
what sounds like in this case? And you know, that's

(02:36:39):
why it's a great rabbit hole to kind of jump down,
because there's so many options or places that you can
go with it. What are your thoughts about that? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (02:36:48):
I agree, Like like I said, to do with the story,
it's it's just it's simply there's the watching the video,
something doesn't seem right. So that's what triggered me. And
then you know, it's just this little thing gives you
a little blurb. But I was like, Okay, I got
to research it. But I think you're right. I think too,
And I think a lot of people would agree that animals,

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especially when you like when you were talking about your
dogs and stuff like that, they pick up on that stuff.
And I think that also they if you can't see it.
I've heard animals that'll warn you because they've been warned,
if that makes any sense. And and I've heard stories

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from people I know that they had no idea and
the dog, you know, all of a sudden, the dog's
doing nothing or whatever, the animal they're with, and it
comes running in and they're like what do you do?
And it's protecting them from something that just all of
a sudden appears or a beam falls down, and you know,
especially up here with all the barns and stuff like that.
Heard a lot of stories of guys and gals that

(02:37:52):
have had their had that happen to them, and it's like, wow,
like how did your horse know that?

Speaker 1 (02:37:57):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 11 (02:37:58):
And yeah, because maybe something came up to them and went, hey,
protect bra man, He's gonna get knocked out.

Speaker 1 (02:38:07):
And it always because they You can point back to
times where animals have acted as a whole, as one
group in reaction to something that didn't happen until afterwards,
like leading up to earthquakes and things of that nature.
It is like, what level are they tuned into to
where they are able? And here's the wildest one. Then,

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I know everybody out there experiences when the ups driver
is about to pull up to your house. He hasn't
pulled up yet, and they are already at the door
anticipating this moment to happen, And I'm like, where are
they tapping into to get this information?

Speaker 3 (02:38:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (02:38:49):
For sure, for sure. My dogs do the same thing.
When Amazon or it's like what do you guys? Get
away from the door, and then all of a sudden,
it's like, oh, who's that driving down the road.

Speaker 1 (02:38:57):
It's like, how do you do that? You can almost
now and I know, for me, at least, I know
to trust him.

Speaker 4 (02:39:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:39:04):
I'm like, okay, driver's about to pull up, and then
that's definitely that's what happened. It's like one percent of
the time where there's something else is going on, but
for the most part, they happened to have it locked down.
And I don't get it. I wish I could too.
But that's why you keep they say keep your friends closed.
That's why you keep your friends closed. Your man dogs,

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man's best friend is supposed to be your companion. Probably
maybe for that reason right there, mm hmm.

Speaker 11 (02:39:33):
Definitely Little Timmy's falling down the well show us where
he is lastie, Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:39:40):
So I had a Joe Munk wanted me to ask,
and I'm not sure what this is about about the
videos that he shot last night. Did you see you? Yes?

Speaker 11 (02:39:51):
Okay, So I'm not gonna get I don't want to
run into your time here. But this we finished the
show last night's the Fantastic Show, uh, and we just
shut everything down. David and I were just sitting bs
and he was doing some editing, and Joe sent us
a bunch of videos and well four and unbelievable. He
sent me another one tonight, or one of the ones

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he sent and then the noise outside of his house.

Speaker 3 (02:40:18):
Back in the in the bush.

Speaker 11 (02:40:21):
I've never heard anything like it before, A howling screaming David,
and I was like, there's there's like samurai chatter going
on in some of the video.

Speaker 1 (02:40:30):
And then Joe goes, did you see the eyes?

Speaker 11 (02:40:33):
And I couldn't see him last night, right because just
the way Dave's phone was, so Joe sent it to
me tonight and it was at whatever the third video,
and I'm watching it. I'm like, you know, super intense
trying to see it. I can hear the scream and
the kind of guttur old girdle down there, and then

(02:40:53):
two eyes.

Speaker 3 (02:40:56):
I was just like, goosebumps are just talking about it.

Speaker 1 (02:40:59):
Yeah, believable.

Speaker 11 (02:41:00):
And then I guess Joe said, I'm not going to
tell his whole story because he'll probably want to tell
some of it somewhere along the line here, but he
was saying that he got a huge smack on the
side of the outside of the house, and then I
guess his motion sensor camera or something or light went
off and something walked through some heavy wind chimes or
something to that degree. But yeah, he's got some he's

(02:41:23):
definitely got some wu happening around his house. And all
the all four videos that he sent are incredible, man,
They're like.

Speaker 1 (02:41:29):
Whoa and the Banana's part about Joe Muncus, he doesn't
live far from me, he always says, he just passed
by my house on the freeway. So Joe is having
some weird stuff happened not too far from me, and Joe,
I would love to be a witness to some of
this stuff. So when you stop pet, when you passed
through my city that you know that I live in,

(02:41:50):
stop by bud he picked me up. Man, let's go
for a ride. Let's go see some of this stuff
because I would love to be witness to it and
just mark another one of those things off my list
of the phenomen And Joe Mounk is a trusted person
out here in the audience, so I would definitely be
willing to do that. Okay, well, awesome stuff, Tim Man.

(02:42:10):
I really do appreciate you coming in doing what you do,
when you do it, how you do it as well.

Speaker 3 (02:42:14):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:42:16):
As we get ready to go ahead get into the
weird news, I'll be wrapping it up. And I believe
Lee Strauss may be with us tomorrow. I guess we'll
see Other than that, man, have a great rest of
your night and talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (02:42:28):
See you in Vegas. All right, good night, everybody, have
a good one.

Speaker 1 (02:42:32):
All right, Tim Later That is Tim James. Guys, that
is Tim James. Tim James. We're gonna go ahead and
get ready to jump into a couple of weird stories
because we were talking about Area fifty one and the
fact that and I'll tell I'll retell the story before
I go ahead and do that. Let me go ahead
and start the news off though the way that we

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like to do it here, ladies.

Speaker 3 (02:43:00):
And gentlemen, can I please have your attention.

Speaker 1 (02:43:05):
I've just been.

Speaker 8 (02:43:06):
Handed in emergence a horrifying news story.

Speaker 1 (02:43:13):
I ain't all of you stop what you're doing? All right,
UFO and weird news, and this one will be themed
around Area fifty one. I have a couple stories will
probably hopefully be able to get to. But I just
want to preface it by saying that we are going
to space our radio. We're gonna all be down in

(02:43:35):
Las Vegas here. I want to say it's May one
through the fourth, uh so there will be no shows
during that time for YouTube, and we will be taking
the trip down to see Area fifty one. And with
that being said, I had attempted to go do this
years ago, maybe five years ago, and my girl, she

(02:43:59):
was with me. We had driven three hundred miles through
the desert coming from Reno and Sacramento. And we get
right there to the black mailbox where taking that in.
We're looking around and we're at the beginning of Groom
Lake Road, which will take us for miles and miles
down towards the gate of Avery fifty one. Well, i'd

(02:44:23):
say about a quarter mile maybe a mile down this road.
My girl has a change of heart and she's now
afraid to go in the middle of the day. I'm like,
is noting to be afraid of every fifty one. It's
got some Camo dudes out there, not a big deal.
She didn't want to go, so she promised me that
she would do it again at some point. But it

(02:44:44):
looks like I'll be going with Space Out Radio and
my Space Out Radio friends before I go with her.
That's okay. Still gonna make her go though, still gonna
hold her to it. So let's jump into the first
story here. Actually, I want to make sure that we
get to this one first, because this one we talked about,
they're not being a fence to Area fifty one technically

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there isn't there's just you know, you're supposed to know
where the border is. Sometimes they have border markers, and
the moment you step across one of those, you're in trouble. However,
there was a person that spent days within Area fifty
one's perimeter, and we're gonna go ahead and read a
story about this gentleman here. It's the only man to
sneak into Area fifty one, says what he witnessed will

(02:45:31):
stay with him forever. Jerry Freeman made a one hundred
mile trek to reach the highly classified area and shared
the shocking things he saw. Back in the nineteen nineties.
You gotta memory this is when Jim Goodall and his
group were out there looking for top secret craft as well.

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Back of the nineteen nineties, and anthropologists took it upon
himself to undertake a seven day trek into a highly
classified United States Air Force facility located in Nevada. Jerry
Freeman traveled around one hundred miles to get to the
place known as Area fifty one, an air base that
has long spark whispers and conspiracy theories around the odd

(02:46:17):
happenings and sightings at the site. Many former military members
have claimed to know the real purpose of the Nevada
Air Force Base, while others think they can spot alien
technology in the area on Google Maps. But back in
nineteen ninety six, Freeman decided to follow the trail of

(02:46:38):
the eighteen hundred and forty nine pioneers that headed west
searching for gold. Nothing to do with conspiracies or alien theories.
The famous wagon trail from the nineteenth century is well
known in American history, with the lost migrants inspiring the
name of Death Valley. Freeman traveled at night to steer

(02:47:01):
clear of security patrols, and during one of the nights
during his one week expedition, he saw something shocking located
near Papoose Lake, a dry lake bed in Lincoln County.
He told journalists and UFO researcher George Knapp that a
doorway opened up in the middle of the air, letting

(02:47:23):
out a blue light before closing and disappearing into thin air.
Some ufologists have said that the country conceals a secret
alien spacecraft hangar called S four. Recalling what he saw,
the anthropologist said, quote, it looked like a dry lake

(02:47:44):
bed to me, nothing else, but at night it was
a different story. Quote. I could clearly see what were
security lights on the perimeters, and I could see lights
that opened and closed near the center of the lake.
Comparing the vibration that night to an earthquake. He further
claimed that he witnessed everything unfold for two minutes. He

(02:48:06):
did suggest that something might have been tested underground, or
he was getting vibrations completely from Groom Lake, not being
too sure. Until twenty thirteen, the US government avoided mentioning
Area fifty one in documents, calling it Groom Lake instead. Quote.

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I think if they'd caught me there, caught me in there,
that they'd have lit me up like a Roman candle,
Freeman said to Nap in a recorded interview before his
passing in two thousand and one. While he was originally
looking to find the lost inscriptions of the doomed group
of gold prospectors that were searching there for a shortcut

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to the gold fills in the state of California, the
man instead claimed to see something otherworldly. The group were
believed to have tried to cut through Death Valley to
get to California, and failing to make it, and giving
the area its name, though they had left their journals behind.
This meant that explorers could pinpoint their journey across the US.

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Some of these markers were within Area fifty one territory,
and while he was supported by the likes of the
National Park Service and the Bureau of Land Management to
find these historic pieces, the US Air Force definitively told
him to steer clear. On top of all this, AS
four became a popular talking point at the same time

(02:49:31):
thanks to Bob Bazaar, a man who claimed to be
a former government physicist who worked on what he said
was reverse engineering alien spacecraft and extraterrestrial technology. He would
claim that the government both recovered UFOs and made their
own modified alien hardware. In the back end of the
nineteen eighties, Bizarre would even make appearances on TV revealing

(02:49:54):
that Area fifty one existed and that the government would
carry out classified projects there. While the details around Area
fifty one are still largely unknown, it is believed that
it is used to test experimental aircraft for the military.
The airbase takes up an area of around twenty three

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by twenty five miles or that's for our Canadians thirty
seven by forty kilometers, and includes most of Groom Lake,
So to think about it. There was a guy who
was searching for the Oregon not the Oregon Trail, but
the Death Valley trail that led through the California due

(02:50:38):
to the gold rush back in the eighteen hundreds, which
happened to take you right through the property of Area
fifty one. And in the nineties, we know, I think
it was Obama that came out and actually admitted that
Area fifty one was a thing, right, But prior to that,
it was a myth, a rumor. It was a base

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that did not exist. And he spent all those days
within the perimeter. He said he would hide at or
he would travel at night and hide during the days.
You cannot even think of doing anything close to that nowadays,
and I wouldn't even want to risk it. You know,

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they have they they've caught, you know, the security from
Mary fifty one, like placing vibration sensors outside of the perimeter.
What they're not supposed to do. They're not supposed to
put that on public land. They're not supposed to be
like surveilling the public on public land, and they do

(02:51:43):
it anyway. So it just makes you think, are they
still doing things at that base? Is it the fake
to say, why would we still be doing things here
just so that they could continue to do things there.
I don't know. When you look around, there are a
lot of remote spots out there that you think that
they could go, and Area fifty one just happens to be,

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especially if you've ever been out there. It happens to
be the perfect location in the middle of nowhere. You know,
I've driven from both ways from south to north, north
to south and there is nothing but wide open desert
for miles and miles and miles. You'd have to be
out of your mind to drive that way, which I am,

(02:52:27):
which why I've done it more than one time, and
I'll continue to do it and I will be doing
that again soon. So fun time, fun conversation Area fifty
one theme. As we prepare to go to the gates
Area fifty one, I'm going to try to film that
and make it to where something that you guys could
all watch. I want to definitely thank Brian Bowden for

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being our guest tonight, being awesome talking dog Man and
Bigfoot for hours one and two. I want to thank
Tim James for coming in and speaking his mind, voicing
his opinion here in our three along with Steve Stocker
tells and told missing person mysteries. I want to thank
the man that you hear right there as well, mister

(02:53:09):
Rob bumbas the Thaw. He's the man that rocket style
each and every show. As he teaches us. He tells
us never say never again, because yes, the phenomenon is real,
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