Aug. 16/25 - UFO’S & ALIEN’S : The Truth That’s Stranger Than Fiction w/ Rob Shelsky

Tonight we talk about what was once thought as Science Fiction… Alien Visitation

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and oh so much more. We are going to have
a fantastic show here tonight. We have Mokeline Investigator, author,
UFO experiencer, paranormal experiencer Rob Shelsky, who will be joining

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us momentarily as we talk UFOs and aliens The truth
is Stranger than fiction, as he is an author as
multiple books. I'm talking about close to eighty books, if
not more than that. That he has penned four thousand
words a day average. Yeah, yeah, awesome stuff. So we'll

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be getting to him shortly here. So now let's go
ahead and welcome everybody else in here as we get
the guests together. Here we have David Barnes. David Barnes
is out there. Hello everyone, Hey, everyone, my first live show.
I love this intro. If we appreciate you coming in here.
David Bornes, thanks for coming on in and because you

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I'll tell you basically what's going on here. So you
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We appreciate you showing on up here to the show
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It is I that makes swag look good. Okay that Hey,
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I like that Jaketta does not have ugly swag. Actually,
Jaketta makes the swag even better. There we go, Okay,

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we have. We got Jeff Garvey out there. Jeff Garvey,

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thanks for showing on up here. Contrary one saying yo,
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thumbs up button here tonight for the show. Let's try
to hit a hundred early. That would be awesome. It's awesome.
It's awesome. Sauce. Let's see who else has come on
in Paranormal Short Sessions My Keith Evans, Hello, everyone, thanks
for coming on in Paranormal Short Sessions. We appreciate showing

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up to the show here tonight. Dookie Pickles coming in
from X. Appreciate you showing on up and taking your
time while slipping through all the X drama and taking
time to watch the show here tonight. We appreciate you
all the time, every time. And who else do we have?
Let's see? Yes, okay, yeah, it looks like we are

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all current, We are all caught up. So yes, we
were having some technical difficulties here. So what we'll do
is go ahead and talk about some stuff here while
we wait for the guest. And where should we start
this conversation off? Someone throw a topic out there. Let's
throw something out there real quick and get this conversation going.

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I would I would love to engage with the audience
here tonight. Three I Atlas three I at Lias an
alien invasion or just simply a comic passing by the neighborhood.
What do you guys think out there? Three I Atlas

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huge twelve mile long alien spaceship, which, let me remind
you if it does happen to be that? And once again.
I have to look at it. I have to. I
have to look into this again because I swear and
tell me if I'm wrong. Ivy Lobe I think, and
I don't want to put words in his mouth because
I just read this. I don't know. I can't say

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this one hundred percent true. Went from point two percent
likelihood that this is an alien object to forty percent.
That's a pretty big jump. That's why I'm kind of
skeptical about that. But I read it and that's what
it said, So forty percent is kind of that's like
fifty to fifty almost right. So imagine what would a

(07:19):
twelve mile long alien craft potentially be holding inside? That's
the question. If this is an alien craft, if it
cut whatever chances there are that it is, if it
happens to be exactly that, and if it is rendezvousing

(07:41):
with Earth, maybe it's alien craft and it's just passing through.
It's nothing to worry about, right, We just keep quiet,
turn off all our electronics, and hope that it just
passes by right while we get some awesome footage. But
what if it does park right outside of Earth? What
does that mean? A twelve mile long alien craft twenty

(08:01):
kilometers for those in Canada, what potentially would that mean? Right?
And then who's on board? Right? Is it the grays,
is it the reptilians? Is it the like? Who's on
board this alien craft? If it is determined to be

(08:23):
an actual alien craft, who's on board? What species? Is it?
A twelve mile long craft full of insectoids? That would
be a bad day. That would be a bad day.

(08:45):
That would be a bad day. Jennifer says, it's just
a rock passing by, And if it is that, you
know what's gonna be just as awesome because I think
that you know, something that big. We're talking twelve miles
a rock twelve miles long. Was just like at it
as if it's just prosaic, right, Mundane, it's just a
space rock. Even with that being said, that's a twelve

(09:08):
mile long rock, right, I don't even know how big
the one was. It took out the dinosaurs, But yeah,
a twelve mile long rock just kind of passing through
the neighborhood is pretty scary, right, because if the trajectory
was a little different, then it could be a bad

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day for humanity either way, right, So I guess it's
exciting to be able to see it. It's not something
we have to wagh years down the line to kind
of ford to rendezvous. It's gonna happen this fall. You know,
all eyes will be on the sky. Hopefully they do
send out the Juno probe, the one that's currently orbiting Jupiter,

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so we can kind of get a close look at
what this thing is. We missed the chance on a
Muama and if you ask Ivy Low, he swears that
that was an alien craft. So I don't know, what
do you do with that? What do you do with that? Yeah?

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The Jaquetta I think is fascinating, but if it hits
like the Time of the Dinosaurs, I'm gonna stand out
and watch it might as well. What else you gonna do?
Right if it were? I guess in either case, right,
in either case, what can you really do? As we
talked to uh As, we talked to Christian McLeod last night,
and he's kind of said he'd just go up on

(10:33):
the highest mountain peak, kind of kick back in the
chair and just watch the show. What more? I guess
what more can you do? Right? You know? Yeah, Yeah,
we're gonna be talking about that, and it's when they
talk too much about that. When we get the guests
to correct the situation here, Terence Wills, let me see

(10:59):
what you got here? You kind of insectoids. I'm gonna
have to stack up on my was spray.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I don't know if that even works on acsectoids. That
would be a yeah, I don't know, right, Maybe it would.
Terrence willis when humans accept aliens into society, when will
they show up? This has been something that I've talked
about and I just don't see in our current state, right, No,

(11:23):
I don't think so. Right. That's why it kind of
goes against the love and light sort of you know
part of this, because I don't know if there's besides
individual experiences, you know, and you can't discount those. But
you do have people that have been abducted who say
they felt nothing but you know, this good energy, or

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they were given a great message about you know, them
being here to help us. And I've looked at it
in an abstract way where it's like, Okay, maybe it's
a little different than that. Maybe they're here as essentially
guards to make sure that we don't get too far

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off this planet, right, because that makes more sense, especially
when we talk about what aliens accept humans into society.
You know, there's a lot of changes, there's a lot
of changes that we would have to make as human beings,
I would think, But I don't know how they think, right.
They could They could be in this, you know, in

(12:31):
a mind state, a malevolent mind state, and they accept
that sort of behavior. So who really knows at the
end of the day until we get to sit down
and have that conversation. Also, can actual disclosure bring us
together and avoid nuclear destruction? I would hope, so, I

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would hope. So here's the thing with that, though. The
thing with that is, as far as disclosure nuclear destruction goes,
they've shown that they could turn these things on and off.
I would assume that they would also be able to
neutralize these And I'm just like, okay, would they you know,

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why not take that extra step? Right if they're coming
around these nuclear facilities to make sure that we don't
use them when we get rid of them, they can
from you know, remotely tap in and turn these things
on and off. Then you would assume that they could
kind of you know, make these things void or irrelevant
or you know, in effect ineffective. You would think right,

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so I don't know. I don't know, and let me see.
Excuse me, Paul Atkins thinks that that rock coming through
is is definitely a ship. We will see and I'm
going to ask the guests here because I'm going to
bring the guests here and think the guests might have
everything all together and bring the guests in here and

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just check the rest of your notes here. It's a ship,
it's space trucking. It could be that traveling through cargo ship. Right,
it's twelve miles long, why not let's see. Yeah, jewels,
we've already seen craffle beans on it, so it's the

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big deal. Seriously, don't panic. Kelley Montgomery, new member. Appreciate
you becoming a member here tonight. We do appreciate your support,
all right. Also, let me see there's anything else before
we okay, Amy saying it's not all good. Rob. When

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I was abducted, I thought I was in hell because
I saw them taking babies out of girls like me.
Then I remember, and I was a virgin, and we
were all and we all were so I couldn't be
in hell. Yeah, that's deep. We're gonna talk about that
and more. We're gonna go ahead and bring our guests
in and see if we are totally good on the audio.

(15:09):
Ladies and gentlemen, this is Rob Shelski, and avid and
eclectic writer averages about as I said earlier, four thousand
words a day degree in science, has written a large
number of factial articles for the former Alien Skin magazine
as well as other magazines. Let's go ahead and bring
our guests in for the night and keep the fingers
crossed here. The audio is great, Rob Shelski, Yes, I

(15:35):
could definitely hear you. You're sounding good, and you know,
we were kind of talking here with the audience for
a moment about three I atlas and I definitely want
to talk to you about that here tonight. But as
you know, first time here. I would love to know,
because you're an author as well of at least about
eighty books, which is insane. So in the science fiction category,

(15:59):
what kind of led you into becoming an author? Had
you intersected with the phenomena at any point in your
early life if you wouldn't mind starting from there.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Well, Ashley, I had no desire to be an author
much until my brother experienced missing time when he was sixteen.
I didn't know about it until he was in his thirties.
He didn't tell me, he didn't tell anyone, but he
and a friend went to the desert, camped out overnight.
At midnight, they saw a bright red light streaking across
the sky. I thought it was a meteorite. Thought they'd

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go hunt for it in the dark of the night
around midnight and the desert crazy. But they did, and
that's the last thing they remember. It. Next morning, he
got up, they struck camp. His friend's father came and
picked him up, and they left. And years passed, decades,
and my brother moved to Vegas, and all of a sudden,

(16:52):
he remembered taking a shower. He was scrubbing himself and
a piece of gray material came out of his elbow.
I'd like plastic, but not plastic. And that's when this
memory came back that they had been chasing a meteorite.
But he didn't remember anything about being abducted. And he
never claims abduction. He claims a missing time. And I

(17:12):
believe him. He was my brother. So that's what got
me started in it. And well, I've always been kind
of interested in you folk since I was a little kid.
But That's what got me started really researching it. And
the more I researched the stuff, the more I wanted
to write about and share what I'd learned, or at
least post questions that other people might be able to
answer for me. I don't know, So that's what I

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did anyway, And here I am eighty books later on
every topic you can think of, practically when it comes to.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
The paranormal, yes, and I definitely want to make sure
we get into that as well. And I would you
know one thing that I used to do on my
show on my personal channel is I had this segment
where I called it science science fiction to science fact,
and it was just based on things that we had

(18:02):
one at one point looked at as science fiction and
now that we've gone through these revelations that these things
are real, now it's become science fact. And so when
you look back at what you previously thought was science
fiction through this new lens, it kind of blows your mind.
So for you, like, do you feel like science fiction?

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Do you feel like science fiction kind of manifests reality
or control, like have some control over reality? Or do
you think science fiction is simply writing about something you've
created in your mind.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
I think science fiction is well. A good example would
be the old Star Trek series that became movies and
everything else. I was just a kid when that came out.
I watched it. I loved it. My whole generation did.
I'm a boomer obviously, And the next thing, you know,
we started trying to build the stuff we saw on
Star Trek. Community caterers became cell phones, all that sort

(19:02):
of thing came out of it. It was a really
positive experience and you could just see it happening. We
wanted it so bad we trekyse that we went ahead
and try to recreate it ourselves. So I think first
you have to have the thought, the imagination. Then you
have to have the urge to try to make something
of it, and that's when you move from science fiction

(19:23):
to science fact. All of us writers, and I am
a sci fi writer as well as a paranormal writer.
I like trying to foretell the future, but in ways
it might be warnings to people as well as entertained dystopians,
that sort of thing, you know. But yeah, it's been
an ongoing evolution, and I became a mof on field

(19:46):
investigator and I have traveled a lot of the world
in UFOs hunts. I was in England for the Superstorm
that they had their UFOs over the English Channel. I've
been in Pine Bush, New York where they had a
lot of I've been in Golf Priest, Florida and interviewed
people there at the head sightings, And basically that's just

(20:08):
how I got around to doing all of this sort
of pit or miss, but I ended up here.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
So while we're while we're kind of there, what what
do you feel like? And as far as you know,
being a move one investigator talking to so many different people,
taking information on so many different types of cases, what
is your feeling about the alien presence? Like from the
people you've talked to, do you feel like they're here

(20:35):
for love and light to help like a lot of
people seem to say for some reason, or do you
feel like maybe there's a little bit of both going on?
Or how do you how do you feel about this?

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I think that they were a danger to us. I've
been looking to this since the sixties and become more
and more convinced. At first, it was like, oh wow,
it so cool to see if flying Sauce was so
cool to meet an alien you know, take a flying
trip around. But the more I researched it and the
more I wrote books about it, the more I became concerned.
The problem with the UFO studies is they're everywhere, and

(21:08):
they're becoming more and more prevalent. And we've collected a
lot of data, but we're not collecting what we need
to know, and which is why are they here and
what do they want? Are they here? I think they
absolutely are, even the federal government. It's that there are
UAPs and that you know it, just they exist. They
don't know what they are. I think they do, but
they're not telling us that part of it. I think

(21:30):
they are a change where they have caused damage to property,
they have caused people to be ill, they have caused
people to die. And I don't mean just one or
two people. I'm talking about a lot of people. Not
to mention the abductions and also disappearances permanent once America
we have was around sixty thousand according to the FBI.

(21:51):
I had a more conservative figure when I figured it out.
It's more like fifty five thousand. But the FBI says
sixty thousand people a year disappear in them alone and
they disappear never to come back, and they are not.
They've discounted people who were kidnapped, people who were murdered,
people who tried to just disappear and start a new
life under a new ID that's not included in this.

(22:13):
And people are saying, oh, yeah, but a lot of
those people chose to or probably were kidnapped. No, that
has been taken out of the equation. Now, if you
take that sixty thousand that have disappeared permanently and you
multiply that times every country on Earth, different countries, different populations.
For instance, Australia claims around twenty eight thousand people disappeared

(22:35):
one year and their population is only around what twenty
four to twenty five million, something like that, So that's
a big percentage. The Alaska Triangle seven percent in a
fifteen year period, seven percent of the Alaskan population disappeared,
never to be seen or heard from again. And when
I say disappeared, I mean utterly, including their clothing, anything

(22:56):
they were caring permanently. So if UFOs are behind this,
where are they taking them and why aren't they bringing
them back? And why do they bring some back? But
a lot of people apparently they don't. What are they
doing with us?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
In hold right there, because that's actually a great place
to stop. We're actually coming up to the first break
of the night, and we'll get back to this on
the other side of the break, guys, as we are
gonna definitely get into a great interesting conversation here tonight
with Rob Schelsky. So make sure that you don't go
anywhere and actually go call make a phone call, call

(23:28):
a friend, tell them the show is on, have them
tune in, and we'll see you right back here after
the break. All right, we are clear, We are clear,

(24:03):
and yes, I can hear you still, and so can
everyone else on YouTube. So I said, yeah, so we're
still live on YouTube right now on this break. Okay.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I just wanted to make sure because I've never had
so much problem with my audio and my life as
I have tonight. It's like something going against me. I
had to completely shut down the entire computing system and
rebooted to get it to work right.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
But see, but you I'm a former troubleshooter by trade,
so you're going through the troubleshooting stead so, which is awesome.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
I think anyone OLWNS Electronics becomes a trouble.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
There's a power on, power off. First, let's start there
and then listen to exactly exactly. Yeah, so yeah, it's
definitely interesting. I've been looking forward to speaking to you.
You know, I checked out some of your other conversations
and that's why I look for people who I think
could definitely add the conversation. And you're bringing some good

(25:03):
information here tonight, so can't wait to really get into this. Also,
since we didn't get to talk before the show, You've
been on here before, right, I think back in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Uh, yeah, I have been. I don't know if it
was called after Hours at the.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Time, but yeah, you were on the show. Yeah, you're
on with Data Radio. Yeah. So yeah, So this we
take these breaks every thirty minutes, five in a break.
So the next break actually at the top of the hour,
we will be off camera, and then the next break
after that we'll be back on camera again. Last thirty
minutes is what we usually say for the audience questions,

(25:42):
So this time should fly by pretty quick. A lot
of intelligent people out there in the audience too, like
Shelley Montgomery and Ian McFadden and let's see says rob G,
do you charge for that remote service? I must have
missed that, Joe, I missed it, Ian, I missed it.

(26:02):
Tell me what I said. I can't remember. I'm sure,
I'm sure it was funny. Let's see Paul Scott as well.
Thanks for coming on in, and let's see Amy, Amy,
thanks for coming in. And okay, because I see okay, Paul,

(26:24):
I see a question you posted, and I think you're
a new name. So what we do here is we
put all questions in caps. That way, it's easier for
me and my old eyes to make sure I pick
up on your questions. So I got it though, And
just for anyone else out there, please put any questions
in caps. Yeah, and I just think we're pretty current here.

(26:52):
Let's see. Oh the computer fix bro oh yeah yeah, okay,
yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I do. I do.
I used to fix Apple computers, max and things like that, Ian,
so you know I was pretty I was pretty good
at what I did too, So yeah, I do charge
for remote service. Hit me up, mister Robs at gmail

(27:15):
dot com.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah. I noticed Amy was mentioning about scoop marks. My
brother did have a scoop mark on his leg on
his thigh, and he has no idea how he got it,
nor does he know what that black, great piece of
material was that came out of his arm. He asked
me if he should get hypnosis, you know, do regression
to try to find out what about the missing time.

(27:39):
I told him no, and he asked why, and I said,
because unless you're going to a highly reputable hypnotist. Even there,
there's danger that you can plant false memories an you
think they tell you to remember, like when his past
lives on hypnosis if you haven't had one. The human
mind is very resilient. It makes one up for you,
and then when that person wakes, they remembered as being

(28:01):
a real memory rather than just something that the mind
was trying to respond to the hypnotists by giving them
what they wanted. So I told him, I said, if
you have that information, you need to go to a real,
reputable and well known hypnotist, because you don't once they
do it, and if they do it wrong, then your
data is tainted. You will never know if it was

(28:23):
real or not. And so he had avoided that. I
did ask him, Mike, if you're on your deathbed, would
you want to know the answer about all of this
because he was in Vegas, and I mean he was
researching Area fifty one. His friend John that was with
him in the desert when they were sixteen, moved his

(28:44):
entire family from San Diego to Las Vegas to further
the pursuit. Because when my brother called him, he said,
I didn't remember that till just now. I said, yeah,
that's me, my brother's saying that. And so he ended
up moving his whole family and for years they did it,
and then my brother dropped it into like a hot potato.
And that's when I asked him that question about if
you were on your deathbed, would you like to know?

(29:05):
And his answer was it depends. And I said on
what he said, on whether or not it's a good answer,
And that kind of hit me hard because we all
would like the answers, But what if the answers aren't good.
I'm not sure if these creatures are moral or immoral
or just a moral, but they don't seem to care

(29:25):
what happens to us, or our vehicles, or our planes
or our ships at sea. We have had planes try
to intercept them back in the fifties there over the
Great Lakes. The plane disappeared. No parts of it we
were found. I mean, this sort of thing goes on
all the time. Now maybe a few of these might
be accidents on our part.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
We read it to the thing. Oh right there, we're
getting back to each show right now. We'll talk about
it here we go. All right, everybody, welcome back Spaced
Out Radio, the A half hours radio show. Me your host,
mister Rob g And we're joined in hours to tonight by
author UFO Experience or Move On, investigator Rob Shelski. We're
gonna be getting this a really heavy conversation here today

(30:09):
to make sure you don't go anywhere. We would love
to hear from you tonight too, to make sure you
put your questions out there as we get right back
into the conversation with Rob Shelsky. So, Rob, right as
the break was coming in, you were referring to the
amount of people that just essentially go missing every year

(30:29):
and never come back. He said, sixty thousand, which is
insane and just for people to know that's that don't
come back. There's like reported every year something like I
think six hundred thousand or something like that, some crazy
number here in the United States. But it's cool to
have that number sixty thousand never coming back, because here's

(30:50):
my theory, and you can continue to elaborate. But I
always ask that question, what about the ones that don't
come back? Because you know, we only hear stories from
abductees that have actually been brought back, obviously, because dead
men tell no tales. So if you wouldn't mind continuing
on that thought that you were going with earlier.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Excuse me. Yeah, it's difficult to know what they want,
but we really have got to know. That's why I
joined Moufon and became a field investigator. We need the data.
My problem with Moufon over the last few years was
that it became increasingly I don't want to have to
say that we're politicized, but for me it was, and

(31:36):
my state director here of Mouffon also decided to back
out of the organization at that point and I followed suit.
Shortly after that. It began to become vague like, oh,
there are space brothers, and even one lady who's on
the board claimed to be in channeling and alien who
have been dead for like fifty thousand years. As far

(31:57):
as I know, she's still on the board. But that's
when I just said I to drop out of it.
But people get irradiated, people get sick, people disappear, people die,
property is damaged. Let me make it simple for you.
When is the last time you heard of a UFO
doing something nice for people like Hanslan Gretel being in

(32:20):
the woods in the aliens shying a light from the
craft down to guide them out of the woods. Just
something on that, or a house on fire where the
people were translocated from the burning bedroom to outside of
the house. You can count the number of so called
good things they did on literally two hands. No more
so people say, oh, well I had cancer than after
I was abducted, I no longer have the cancer. Yes, well,

(32:40):
if you're part of an experiment with the aliens, then
maybe they don't want you to die. Maybe they want
to see their experiment with you to a conclusion, so
they would cure it in that case. But we were
talking like six or seven people and they're saying there
are space brothers. I would love to believe they are,
and maybe there are some aliens or interdimensional beings out
that are space brothers. Well put it bloody good? Are they?

(33:04):
I mean, if you're being abducted, if you're being harassed
by UFO while you're driving, if you're being irradiated, if
your property is being damaged. And the Space Brothers, the
argument is, well, they don't want to interfere. They don't
want to you know, they want to let us progress
in our own way. Well, we wouldn't be, would we
if other aliens are busy murdering us and kidnapping us.
You think they've at least stop them from doing it

(33:26):
or try to help us in that regard. So if
there are Space Brothers, they're not much good, are they,
we really think about it. I mean, I just I
don't think there are Space Brothers at all. I don't
think they necessarily mean harm to us, But I think
they just don't care. It's like stepping on an ad hill.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, you know, I just don't think they care. There
eight million of us. So yeah, I mean, if one
or two happens to you know, fall at the hands
of an experiment, it's not really you know, you just
kind of move on. It's eight billion more subjects out there.
So yeah, you can see a world where that would
make sense. And that's why, when we get down to it,
that's why I'm like, as you said, clearly, just show

(34:10):
an example of them doing something good or helping out
in some way. We can definitely point to times where
they didn't help out and where you felt like, OK,
exactly if they were here to do so, then they
should have probably stepped forward. So with that being said,
and then there's so many there's these different species out there,
what do you think that interaction is, Like do you

(34:31):
think these species come across each other? Because they do
visit and it's like, I wonder up there in outer space,
do they actually come across each other and interact in
any way? What would you think?

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Like, Uh, I'm not even sure there is more than
one species. I'm not sure they're from outer space. I'm
not sure that interdimensional. I mean, we just don't know.
We do know that they seem to break the laws
of physics. Now that means they could travel from those
already here, possibly in a hurry, almost instantaneously. Perhaps or

(35:05):
perhaps they also are from the future, or maybe they
are from another star system. But they have been here
a long time. Historical records date way back, and there
is some intriguing evidence that they might be on the
Moon or have been on the Moon in the past.
I've written a couple of books about that as well.

(35:26):
But I've written one book was Deadly UFOs, and that disappeared,
and that kind of sums up my attitude. I just
don't see the evidence that there are space brothers. I
wish I could. I would love to feel that there's
someone watching out for us, taking care of us, stopping
a nuclear warf it starts that kind of thing. I

(35:47):
don't see it. All I see is harassment with their
military basis where our aircraft, with their ships, with people.
It just goes on and on. And for every tiny
instant where someone might have felt helped by an alien,
I can give you hundreds of counts where they were
just the opposite.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
So and that's the thing, that's the thing, and that's
why it puzzles me every time I hear someone say
there is no UFO threat narrative, there is no threat narrative,
and I say, I beg to differ, and I just
point to a few like the fred Atlentic incident out
in Australia. You had Tom DeLong come out a few

(36:24):
years back and talk about how there was this UFO
that was shooting energy beams at these houses and catching
them on fire. They go out there to kind of
investigate a USO pops about the water shoots the helicopter,
and I'm like, come on, this is aggressive, Like what
do you You can't perceive it to be anything else
but that, And so that it took me further to say, Okay,

(36:47):
if these things are showing aggressiveness at different points in times,
is it possible that governments are looking at these things
from an adversarial standpoint? So when they say things like
these are adversarial potentially adversarial crap, Well, then are you
really saying that they're extraterrestrial and you call it, you

(37:09):
say in adversarial because you also look at them as adversaries,
just extraterrestrial adversaries essentially, what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I think they have to be considered adversarial. Whether or
not the government has made a deal with them and said, okay,
you can take a few of our people in exchange
for some technology. I don't know, but you know, it
is odd to see that from about nineteen forty five on,
our technology just exploded and America was at the forefront.
We always think of the jab Mus as having been

(37:39):
very good with electronics. Well, the transitionor was invented in
Bell Labs right here in the United States. The microschip
was invented right here in the United States. Now, granted,
other countries include China and Japan were very good at
taking that knowledge and building it with transistor radios, TVs
and all that sort of thing, But it was America's
technology that just exploded, and it keeps on exploding. We're

(38:03):
reaching the point where they think we're going to have
a technological singularity in a matter of a few years,
like literally maybe next year, but no later than probably
twenty thirty. So where are we getting all this technology from?
Is this a natural progression? You know, from the beginning
of human history to about nineteen fifty five, the sum
total of human knowledge took that long to get to

(38:24):
that point in nineteen fifty five. Then after that, every
fifteen years it doubled, and each time after that it
took half the time to double again. So we're rapidly
reaching a point of technological explosion where we simply don't
know what the results will be. But it's got to
be coming from somewhere. Either we're very good at technology
or we've been getting a little help along the way.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, either we have some braining accents celicon value, or
we're getting a little extraterrestrial I think influence if anything,
because I'm not with the reverse engineering. I don't know
that we have the ability to reverse engineers something that
wasn't even created on this planet. There's elements and things
we don't have here that I'm sure they have where

(39:08):
they come from that wouldn't allow us to recreate some
of the things that they have. So just looking at
it like that, when you when you coming from this
mindset of you know, these things haven't really shown any
good intentions. You know, you have the the the love
and light people out there who will say at that point,

(39:29):
well they haven't. They've been here all this time and
they haven't done anything to us, yet they would have
done something by now, what do you I know, you
hear that a lot, and what do you say when
you hear.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
That, Well, that's a valid point. They don't seem to
have interfered too much in the present time if you
don't count all the you know, tic TACs buzzing around
our ships and airplanes and stuff. But they don't seem
to like us interfering with them, and that's when you
jets might get destroyed or people get killed. The Soviets

(40:01):
went into Lake Macall and the one skin diving there
seven of them and or more, and this alien saucer
was down there, and these creatures swam towards them. They
tried to get away, and as a last resort they
literally jumped to the surface so fast that three of
them are smashed into a decompression chain a chamber that

(40:22):
was no bigger or not big enough for more than
two people. As a result, they all came out injured
and crippled. Now this just goes on and on and
on and I and yeah, I think we can reverse
engineer to a certain point within reason. I mean, if
you gave a television set to the ancient Greeks, there
isn't much they could do with it, but they could
figure out it. It was in nineteen seventies TV, for instance,

(40:43):
that the casing was wood that the picture appeared in
the glass tube. If they could make something like that,
they might be able to. But if they don't have
the technology, they have to wait. And I think we've
had to wait. But slowly we've been learning more. Once
you know something can work, it's a lot easier to
make something it does work. Right now, we don't know
if faster than light travel is possible, but if we

(41:05):
were sure it was, we could come up with it,
probably much quicker than if we weren't sure it could be.
You know. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Do you feel like the alien presence is here walking
amongst us?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Like?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Not necessarily in the in the aspect, because a lot
when people say that, it's like, Okay, they're walking around
us in daily life, like you walking right past one
and you're not. You don't know that. That's an extra trustrial.
I'm talking more so covertly, where nightfall hits and they
land somewhere discreete, they get out and they start roaming

(41:42):
around Earth. Do you feel like they do that? I
think they do. I feel like they should.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah, I do think they do that. I don't know
if they can masquade as one of us, although the
Nordics probably could get by with it if you believe
the Nordics exist aliens. But yeah, I think they land.
We've had it's time. You must have heard about the
jet from Mexico that flew to I think it was
the Bahamas and then was dead heading back and it

(42:07):
was only the crew on board, and they saw a
bright light in the cabin. One of the flight attendants
went to get the crew coffee, and on the way
back she looked out the window and the ship was empty.
I mean, the plane was completely empty except with their
own crew, and they were mostly sleeping. Was late at night,
and she saw something on the window, out of the window,

(42:28):
on a wing. She kind of ignored it, thought it
was her imagination after the bright light, you know, maybe
getting a little too imaginative. So she got the coffee
and took it back and looked out the window and
saw it again. So she told the people in the
cabin and one of them came back and he yelled.
He said, there's three of them out there, literally on
the wind, and looked like something out of Twilight Zone.

(42:48):
Now how these creatures could do that is beyond me.
But they think they might have enclosed the ship in
some kind of magnetic field, because all sound from the
engine stopped, although the plane kept flying, so it was deadened,
and perhaps that's how they were able to access the
wing without getting blown off. They simply put it in
a form of status but the whole crew talked about this,
but they didn't do it for years because they knew

(43:11):
that if they did, they would no longer fly that
Wisicain's commercial airline policy and talk about it, and they
did not want to lose their jobs. But they did
come out later and talk about it, the flight attendant
and the pilot copilot. So yeah, I think they interfere
with us. I think they come down to Earth, even
them off man UFO sided not long before you first appeared.

(43:32):
So there you go. Is he an alien? I don't know,
were just a cryptid.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
There's a video that I always go back to and
I still stand on and it's called on the internet.
It's called the Dobby Alien video. If you've seen that
in Colorado, the word it's an entity that kind of
walks down the driveway and caught on the ring camera.
And you know, I feel like that was actual vide

(44:00):
of extra trust real still kind of I'm ninety percent
on that, And because it fits the description of the
Hopkinsville extraterrestrial from nineteen fifty five Hopkinsville, Kentucky, where these
big eared silver beans were kind of approaching the house.
You hear a lot of people talk about how extra

(44:20):
trustrials can kind of materialize through walls and things like that,
but these particular extra trustrials from Hopkinsville could not get in.
They were attempting to get in physically through the doors
and windows. And so this extraterrestrial, which I believe it
was in Colorado twenty nineteen, exhibited the same behaviors and

(44:41):
had the same general appearance as what was talked about then.
So it just showed to me that, Wow, there are
these things literally walking around as you're sitting in your house,
potentially something walking up to your door or walking past
your house or something along that nature. It makes it
makes it pretty scary. So when you look at the

(45:03):
you know, something like this three I atlas right, that's
gonna be coming into the solo sit where it's already
in the Solar system. It's going to be arriving or
passing closest. I think in November they said what if
that were to be an alien craft? What would what
runs through your head when you think about.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
That, Well, number one, it's not going to pass close
to us. It's it'll be its closest approach will be
in November. But I believe it'll be on the other
side of the Sun. Even at that point it I
don't think it's gonna get much closer to us than
where Mars is right now. That just the same kind
of distance, which is millions of miles. What is Mars

(45:45):
is anywhere from forty five to sixty two million miles,
depending on where it is in its orbit. But yeah,
I think it's uh, but could it be something more?
I did think so at first that it could be.
But as it gets closer into the system and we
view it more, it looks more and more like it's
a common and it's not nearly as big as we

(46:07):
thought it was. It's I mean, it's big, but it's
not nearly as big as they used to think. It
was about what three thirty miles or more in size,
but now it's down to about seven miles anywhere from
they s anywhere from two to seven miles, So it's
shrinking in size that they get more and more information
and it doesn't outgas like a comet. Now Maya Maya

(46:29):
that was a little different. I don't know how that
managed to gain acceleration as it was leaving the Solar system.
That to me was more like the candidate. But you know,
you're talking about objects that are still bound by physical
laws as we know them. So those things had to
have spent millions of years in out of space just
to get from the nearest star grouping. And this thing
supposedly came from much farther away they think based on

(46:53):
its orbit. We're not so much orbit as passing through
that if you backtrack it, it comes from closer to
the center of the galaxy. So that must have taken
millions upon millions of years to get here. I can't
believe any waste would go to that effort, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, And that's kind of what makes me feel that way,
just that long travel for a climactic Here we are,
and it's like they if they were reinforcements, they would
have needed them and called thousands of years ago. So
it it that part of it didn't make sense to me. Now,
I will say as far as the latest from Abby Lobe,
I know he said what they were depicting as a

(47:30):
comet tale or what it really was or really is,
is like a dust shield around the front of this device,
like it has like a millimeter thick dust that's covering
the front of it. And so Iby Lobe last said
he didn't see any tail on it, but obviously they're
continuing to watch it. I'm just thinking of them.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, I did see here, just quite reaching like yesterday,
that it does seem to be forming a tail, and
even actually certain types of gases in the halo around it,
including a little bit of water vapor. So but if
you think about it, what they said was that thing
was so far away when it started the journey that

(48:13):
Earth and the Solar System didn't exist yet they think
that comet must be what was it they set up
to eight billion years old? Well, the Solar system is
only about four and a half five billion years old tops,
so that thing started to journey long before our Solar
system had beformed, so they weren't coming here it was.
I think it's just a comet or an asteroid that
has comet like qualities to it, and I just kind

(48:38):
of shame it away because I'd like it to be
something more but something friendly, but I don't think it is.
I think it's just but well a little lot from
it because it is from another place a long long
time ago.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, and at the very least, as I was saying, earlier,
it'd be a great comet show, or it'd be invasion
potentially with billions of entities on board. However, minimile white crap.
I think what was more plausible is the whole base
on the other side of the moon thing. And I
know you've written books about that. So you've had Darker

(49:12):
side of the Moon they are watching us, and then
you had hollow Moon, which I don't know if I
go with hollow moon too too much. I do believe
darker side of the Moon that they are definite that
that'd be the perfect place to be if you didn't
want to be on Earth, but you want to be
close enough. That makes sense when you were writing that, like,

(49:32):
what was your idea behind that? How do you think
that plays itself out? Well?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
I was on Coast to Coast radio a number of
years ago and they asked that. One of the people
in the audience asked the question, what do you think
about the hollow moon? And I completely poo pooed it.
Oh no, no, it's ridiculous. Such a thing as a
hollow one? How could be hollow? It affects the tides
it pulls on it, so it can't be hollow. But
then I started researching it just out of curiosity. And
you know, I'm not gonna say the Moon is hollowed,

(49:58):
but it probably does have large cat in areas inside
of it lavitudes at the very least. But think about it.
The Moon is the high ground, and any military organization
on Earth will tell you that they should always occupy
the high ground. What better place to watch over us
and or not so much to watch over us as
to watch us and keep us under control. You're right,

(50:22):
it would be the dark side of the Moon. But
also there's a lot of oddities about the Moon that
none of the theories about the Moon's origin explained, not
even the latest one, which is the impacting the Earth
causing the Moon to form and out of a ring
of material that came off our planet. For one thing,
the Moon seems to be composed almost entirely of Earth's mantle.
And yet even so, a lot of the isotopic signatures

(50:45):
of the materials on the Moon are not the same
as on Earth, and this is weird because it came
from Earth, it should have the same isotopic signatures. The
Moon has a lot of helium three, which is almost
non existent on Earth, and by the way, it makes
for great fuel for fusion reactors. The Moon's soil, the
first three layers on the Moon that the astronauts drilled

(51:07):
into is in reverse, with the heaviest layer on top
and the lighter layers underneath. This is not normal unless
you were pumping material out from the center to hollow
out of space, in which case it would be reversed.
It'd be just like that. There's neptunium two thirty seven,
I believe on the Moon. It only has a half
life of a little over two million years. On Earth,

(51:28):
that's completely disappeared. It has to be manufactured in the
old expression atom smasher, for instance. But you don't find
it any other way, and yet it appears on the Moon.
There shouldn't be any on the Moon. Of the moons
as old as the Earth. There's a lot of things
Historical records talk about a time before there was a moon.
Aristotle referred to the Proselynes in Greece, the people that

(51:51):
lived in Greece before his people came there, and they
were called Prostelynes. It literally means before there was a moon.
Native tribes in South America and Central America talk about
all that they have ancient legends of stories we call
the myths. They don't, and they always start the stories
with in a time before there was the moon. Now
mind you, there's Venus, there's Mars or Jupiter. They could

(52:12):
all see these from Earth. Why was it always the
Moon that came late on the scene for all in
recorded history? The Romans talked about the Greeks talked about it,
Amerindians talked about it in the New World. So that's
pretty intriguing too. And that's actual written records referring to
some of this stuff. Then on top of that, you
have strange phenomena on the Moon called transient lunar phenomena,

(52:36):
and this has gone on. Well, NASA commission to report
on it, and they said don't go back more than
five hundred years because before that there were no telescopes,
so they wanted more reliable information from that time forward.
But the Moon has shown flashes of light, blue lights,
tracking lights across the surface, blue glows. In fact, one

(52:57):
crater on the Moon is so infamous or it's blue glow,
which it shouldn't have at all, that they referred to
it as the Blue Jem And it's the Aristocus crater
on the Moon. That's the name of it, and it's
referred to by astronomers not made as the Blue Gem.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Let's all right there, the Blue Gem. We'll pick this up.
On the other side of the break here is we're
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Speaker 2 (59:24):
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Speaker 1 (59:25):
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conversation with mister Rob Selsky here and Rob right at

(01:00:09):
the brag we were getting into. You were talking about
tracking lines that have been seen on the Moon and
then also an infamous crater called blue Blue something. Go
ahead and pick up where you left off there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Okay, it's called the blue Gem because it glows blue
so often. It even glowed blue when the first Apollo
eleven was flying over it. They don't know why they
thought of first might because it's near the edge of
the side of the Moon that faces us, and maybe
the sun rising kind of made it do that, But
all the other craters around it, and there are thousands,

(01:00:43):
don't do that. Now. They did do a spectral analysis
on it once, and they found out that the spectral
analysis showed the exact same spectrum as the radiation you
get the light you get from a fusion reactor.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Odd that the moon has all this helium three and
the spectrum from the Aristotras crater shows it is the
glow It is the same spectrum is that you get
from a fusion reaction. I believe there was even Cherenkov
radiation involved, they said. And also the moon rings like
a bell when it struck. It vibrates, and the vibrations

(01:01:20):
don't go through the core. So one scientist at NASA said,
either there is no core or it's made of something
we don't know what it is. And another scientist at NASA,
I believe was MacDonald, said it would be easier to
explain that the moon doesn't exist to explain that it
does exist, because it's so strange, it's so odd. Our

(01:01:42):
side of the Moon has all these dark patches, we
call them Maria. We thought their lava flows. The other
side of the Moon doesn't have any. The other side
of the Moon's crust is thicker than an air side. Now,
if you're pumping out material from the interior of the
Moon to create a cavern, you'd end to large lava
fields with NEO. I mean again, it's all circumstantial evidence,

(01:02:03):
but it's intriguing evidence, not to mention that they have
sighted things on their way to the Moon tracking them.
One shuttle craft said there's something following us. And I'm
not a shellcraft, but you know Apollo And they said, oh,
it's probably an old booster trailing behind you. And they said, no,

(01:02:23):
I can see that's right over there. This is not that.
I don't know what this is. Its following us, and
it followed them all the way to the Moon, whatever
it was. I was watching nasaal live stream one time
and they had a female commander. It was a shovel
craft in orbit on the Earth and she's looking out
the windows. She's talking. You see, you're floating, you know,
in the cabin. It's so cool, And all of a
sudden she says, oh, there's that alien spacecraft again, and

(01:02:44):
immediately the sound was cut. She was still talking, her
lips were still moving, but they had switched her off
to a private channel. And by the way, that video
has since disappeared from the Internet. But it happened. I
was there and I saw it happen, and so I
think there's a lot going on that we don't know about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Are these actual aliens from another solar system? Where? Stellar system?
Actually we're the only solar system in the universe because
our son is solved. So our system is named for
the Salt Solar System. Other star systems are just that
stellar systems. But yeah, so where do they come from?
I don't know. They seem to be close around us.
We don't seem to see them too far away. By

(01:03:24):
the way, there is one other planet that might have
a hollow moon in our solar system? Can you name it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Take a guess, I will go with Jubiter.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Nope. Actually it is Mars. The only the planet that
might have had life at one time, or might even
have it now to some degree, if only microbial also
has the Moon that it's too light, it's not dense
enough for its size, so the conjecture might be hollow,
and that is the moon of Phobos. They thought originally
these were captured asteroids Jamos and Phobos Fear and Terror,

(01:03:59):
and they aren't in the right orbit. In fact, the
orbit of Phobos is such that it's degrading rapidly within
less than three million years of probably will crashed into Mars.
Won't hurt it, It's just a large rock, but well,
won't hurt it anymore than anything else has heard it.
But the Soviets set two probes. You look it up

(01:04:21):
on the Internet and you can actually see the photos.
It took a picture of Phobos and there was a
large cylindrical object white right near the Moon, bigger than
the Moon itself was. Then in the next photo it disappeared,
and then the probe stopped working. All communication failed. The
second probe also failed as soon as it got close
to Mars. So this sort of thing goes on a lot,

(01:04:44):
and in fact, it is harder for us to get
something to Mars than any other planet practically in the
Solar System, and has survived roughly fifty percent of all
objects that we've sent to Mars, not just NASA, but Japan, China,
Russia failed so and yet we don't know why because
we could send stuff to Venus and get it in orbit,

(01:05:05):
but we can't seem to get it to We can
get it to Mars, but it has a high failure rate,
and we're not quite sure why that is compared to
some of the other planets. I mean, we've gotten probes
out past Pluto safely, but we can't seem to get
them reliably to Mars.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
So I would you know, when you talk about hollow moon,
then it sounds more like you're talking about hollow in
the mindset that they something may have dug out caverns
underneath the surface, which I could see that it's just
the hollow moon that I'm talking about. Is the fully manufactured,
completely artificial moon. I just don't know about that. It

(01:05:45):
makes sense that you would have something that would land
on a rock like the Moon, like even we would
probably do this, find a good spot where we could
kind of still see this other planet but be out
of sight, and then we would likely try to get
from you know what, no atmosphere there, try to get
under the surface to be protected from asteroids and things
like that. So it makes sense that that would be

(01:06:07):
the way to go, and I could definitely see that happening.
What would you think they're doing up there on the Moon?
You know, you think they're sitting on a base and
trying to figure out what they're going to do here
on Earth or what do you if you had to guess,
what do you think is taking place up there?

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I think it's more than a base. I think it's
quite a vast area, probably because the Moon's density, like Phobos,
is too low. In fact, it's almost low enough to
where it could float in the ocean. If we're on
the Earth, density for square meter centimeter is considerably lower
than the density of Earth, which we can't account for

(01:06:44):
because it's made from Earth material, it should be the
same density, right, it's not. Also, there's another strange oddity
about the Moon. The small craters have very deep centers,
the large craters don't. Now too, Soviet scientists that belonged
to the Soviet Academy in the seventies wrote a paper,
an actual astronomical paper, that they submitted for public review,

(01:07:07):
not only in Rushia but around the world, and it
referred to the spaceship Moon theory, and they said that
if they had built a shell of hard material like metal,
about twenty five miles down below the Earth on the
Moon's surface, that if a small metior hit the Moon,
it could burrow quite deep into the soil, small asteroid

(01:07:29):
meter or whatever, and that would leave a deep hole
in the center of the crater. Well, the small craters
are exactly that way. However, the large craters have very
flat interior areas, and they said it's as if something
that that big went further into the Moon hit that
inner shell and bounced back and that's what flooded those
craters with molten rock. So they pretty good. Again, it's

(01:07:51):
not a smoking gun, but I wouldn't want someone to
point that gun at me and say, do you think
the chances are surviving?

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I agree with you in that, and I want to
make sure we show so for the radio audience, I'm
about to show with the supposed monolith on Phobos, and
you can find this online if you google Phobos monolith.
The Phobos is p h O B O S. And
for our YouTube audience, you'll be able to see this here.

(01:08:22):
Fucking make sure it comes up Okay, yep, it's up,
and let me zoom in on that if we can.
So that is the supposed monolith on the face of Phobos.
And are you able to speak to this? What do
you what have you heard or what do you know
about this here?

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Rob, Yes, it's it's an oddity because there's nothing else
like it anywhere around. I believe it's one of the
what you'd call one of the poles of the Moon
is really not round. It's more of a chunk of
big rock or now scientists conjecture. Also, I don't know
if you've noticed, but there's They also talk about trails
and craters that radiate from that pole down around Phobos

(01:09:01):
in straight lines or active curve lines, because it's not
a straight, flat surface, but definite lines. If you ever
look at photo Phobos, take a look at that, it's
quite apparent we have it on the Moon too, at
the south pole. If you look at the very south
pole of the Moon, there's a large crater and around
it are a spiral of smaller craters that go out

(01:09:23):
from the center. We don't know how that can be possible,
but it is also there seems to be an object
about the size of Hawaii that may be solid metal
buried in the moon. There now, any asteroid as big
as Hawaii striking the Moon probably should have shattered it.
Whatever this is, and we don't know what it is,

(01:09:44):
but it has a high density, the same as metal
would be, so we're thinking it might be metal. It
may be a very very large metallic asteroid approxicate the
size of the island of Hawaii, the name the one
named Hawaiian, not all the islands together, and so we
can't that now. The density on Phobos is such that
if you were to throw a baseball, it was simply

(01:10:05):
go off into space. It doesn't have enough gravity to
stop it. But the problem with the density is they've
tried to come up with an explanation and they said,
maybe it's a bunch of rocks that were broken up
and slowly came together as a conglomerate and they're loosely packed.
But it doesn't look like that. It looks like it's
quite a solid moon, doesn't it when you look at it.
We don't know how that monolith caught there. We can

(01:10:27):
tell the height of it by the way, by the
shadows basic geometry. So that is one thing that helps
us with it, and also.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
How tall is it supposed to be? I'm sorry, how
tall is that monolith supposed?

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
I'll be honestly, I don't remember the number myself, but
I remember it was it was considered to be quite tall.
Actually it was in the range of no. I don't
want to give you a number because it's probably strong.
I can't it's been a long time since such I
wrote a book on Mars too, and that was in
the book on Mars, but that was about eight years ago,
so I was I can't remember exactly height of that,
but I remember that it goes up quite high. Actually,

(01:11:03):
by the way, there are monolists like that on Mars too,
and judging by their shadows, those things go one hundreds
of feet and we can't account for that either. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
According to Wikipedia says it's about eighty five meters or
two hundred and seventy seventy nine feet across, and then
ninety meters or three hundred feet tall.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
That's bigger than I thought. I was thinking it was
about twenty or thirty meters, But it's a lot higher
than eve I was remembering it being. Now there was
of Mars are even taller than that, so it's a
little spooky. So interesting fact about Mars is it's got
the biggest volcano in the Solar System.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
It was like three miles high or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Yeah, it's so high that at the top of it
actually just out of the atmosphere of Mars monts Olympus.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy, something on that scale. And
I know there are some questions that have been posed
here tonight about Mars, so we'll be talking about that
as well. But let me look at going back to
the you know, fact that we're not sure why these
things are here. They could be on the dark side

(01:12:10):
of the Moon and then also coming down here to
visit and landing getting out of their craft. They've been
observed at times coming in and out of our oceans
and even lakes and rivers in some cases. And here's
here was my thought because I talked to someone one
time who had built a map in regards to all

(01:12:35):
of the or a lot of the USO cases and
then UFO, I think there was UFO cases in general,
and it showed that a lot of them were grouped
up around the coastlines, which makes sense because it's large
population areas. But then also I'm here in California, southern California,
about an hour north of LA so I've had my

(01:12:55):
own UFO sightings with these white objects maybe tic TACs
or I don't know what they were, but with with
you know, the tic TACs being rumored to be right
off the coast of California. To me, when I first
heard that, I thought about like just being strategic as
far as warfare goes, and being like right off the

(01:13:18):
coast of major cities in an effort maybe to you know,
have the best chance to kind of formulate some sort
of assaults or you know, if that were going to
be the case. It just seems like, just like with
our submarines, we positioned them right off the coast of
adversaries in the in the if we need to go
ahead and activate their there, and it almost seems like

(01:13:41):
that's kind of where these things are looking Like, what
is your perspective on that, Like, do you think they're
strategically positioned in order to do something if they needed
to or wanted to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
No, I don't, because they've been spotted coming out of
even volcanoes and that's not particularly strategic. But yeah, they've
been UFOs spotted around rupting volcanoes. For instance, did you
know Columbus spotted you, excuse me, spotted UFOs. Yes, when
he hit the New World. Excuse me, so to hear.

(01:14:16):
But they came up out of the water on the
rise of It's in his log book. You can actually
read the original log of Columbus, and it talks about
these lights that came up out of the water and
seemed to dance around in the distance and then flew off.
So I think they've been here a very long time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Even the Greeks, the historian for Alexander the Great, talked
about when he was invading India, they're at the Indus
River getting ready to cross it, when their armies were
buzzed by flying silver shields as they were called, and
these frightened the soldiers, maddened the war elephants, and caused
a great deal of problems, to the point where his

(01:14:55):
army no longer wants to pursue going further in conquest
into India top to the Indus River valley or Indus River.
And so that was as far as Alexander made it.
The interured back. Now we're they interfering to stop and
change the course of history. But I know, I don't
know that it's strategic necessarily. I'm wondering if they don't

(01:15:16):
have bases underwater, and haven't had them for maybe millennia.
I think they've been with us all along. I really do,
at least for thousands of years. The evidence seems to
be there. There are Renaissance pictures that show UFOs painted
into the sky in the background. This is pretty common
back then. If you saw something in the sky that
was odd or weird, it was a sign from God,
so you put it in your paintings. And there are

(01:15:38):
several that show this quite clearly in the Renaissance paintings.
You can look them up on the internet. It's really
easy to find them. So I think these things have
been around a long time. I don't know if they're
trying to guide us, watch us, or if they have
always been here. They may be that they've always been
under earth and that they're just a distinct and separate
race from us, or they may be intered dire mentioned

(01:16:00):
coming across and I have been here a long time for
that reason, coming and going. Could they be from another
star system? Absolutely, we just don't know. And that's why
I joined moufon. I wanted answers. Like my brother, I
want the answers if I go to my grave, I'd
like to know what the heck was going on during
my life.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Yeah, exactly exactly, And what do you like? What type
of patterns have you been able to put together over
the time with working with move On, Anything that's stuck
out to you about what these things are?

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Well, an awful lot of the reports turn out to
be I won't say they're false, but they're mistaken. Only
about five percent of reports seem to be actual, genuine
possibilities of being UFOs. But even if you only speak
five percent, with the millions that have been reported, it's
still a heck of ALOGI of good bots, I'm not

(01:16:51):
quite sure if they are alien to this world. If
there's just something that we're not aware of. We don't
know what's going on in the very deeps of the ocean.
We don't we thought we knew, we didn't think there
was anything as like a giant squid. Turns out there
is a giant squad, right, you know, and that sort
of thing. So we just don't know. I don't really

(01:17:12):
buy the hollow Earth theory, but even that can't be
entirely will about Do I personally think the Earth is hollow? No,
I don't. Modern science is pretty well figured out the
density of the Earth and the size and the way
and what it should be, and to be that it
can't be hollow, at least not very hollow, if that's
the case, whereas the Moon the density is wrong and

(01:17:35):
so therefore we think the core might be hollow, or
there might be an inner shell that's hollowed.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
So let me ask you this. So if we go
with one of the theories that they've been here all
this time, just here on this planet, underwater and visiting
from the Moon for millennia, and so that would mean
that they've coexisted with us parallel, which means potentially there
is not a path where our lines intersect, which would

(01:18:03):
be a contact moment or disclosure, as far as we
call it. What do you think the the you know,
the possibility of that is that we actually have an
intersecting path that ends up with us realizing they're here
and like maybe even open dialogue between us and them.
Is there a moment do you think that that ever
intersects where we have that moment we might.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
I believe we're getting soft disclosure. I don't think the
government's are going to give us hard disclosure, but it's
starting to admit things bit by bit by bit, like
the fact that there are UAPs. God forbid, they should
call the UFOs called by a different name. It's not
nearly as scary, is it. But they haven't been of that.
So I think we're getting soft disclosure. Whether we will

(01:18:49):
contact this race or not, I don't know. They don't
seem to want to contact us directly. They do seem
interested in us, highly interested in us. But you know,
there are legends of lost races. For instance, in North Carolina,
there's the legend of the moon Eyed people that the
Cherokee Nation talked about, and we've actually found some evidence,

(01:19:11):
not a lot, but some evidence that they existed. And
they were very pale skinned, they had very large eyes,
and they couldn't come out in the daylight. They had
to stay. They could only come out at night. That's
why we call the moon eyed people. And they were
driven out, supposedly by the Cherokees. And in one version
of the story, they went underground. Do they go under ground? Maybe?

(01:19:33):
Do they go underwater maybe. But if you had a
race that didn't collapse with the civilizations repeatedly, and they
started out at the same time we did, even earlier,
they would be far ahead of us. They might just
think of us as an annoyance. But we're not interfering
with their sphere of power, so to speak. We don't

(01:19:54):
really know much about the depths of the ocean. In fact,
was some seventy percent of the ocean still unexplored. Yeah,
they can be underground. We don't know, and or maybe
it's a greater reality. You know, we only see a
very small part of the light spectrum. We see from
red to high blue basically indigoes the highest you can go,

(01:20:16):
and then it becomes ultra violet and you can go
too far. The other way becomes infrared, which is heat.
We don't see it, we feel it. But the thing
here is maybe the world is like that. Maybe Earth
doesn't just exist in three dimensions, maybe it exists in more. Yeah,
maybe these people have always been here and they're just
not seen by us. Or maybe we do see them.

(01:20:38):
Maybe shadow people are them moving around the mom us.
Maybe they have invisibility cloaks. There's a Japanese professor in Japan,
that's created a pretty nice one. And we have cloaking
devices and we have stealth bombers all that sort of thing.
Right now, I wonder where we got that technology, but
maybe they are here and you can find evidence for
that too. There's a case on the internet where a

(01:21:01):
family's sitting in Mexico on their front porch on a
dirt road. You're sitting there talking and there's one guy
on the left and there's a whole roll of them.
It's like a straight verand across the front, looking right
down at the road, something across the road has a
camera and they're filming this party. A car goes racing
by the dirt road, raises a cloud of dust, and
then shortly afterwards, something blurry goes by that looks almost

(01:21:21):
like a motorcycle, which you can't really tell or see.
It is almost ninety nine percent invisible, but it raises
dust and only one person on the veranda seemed to
see it. He got up, walked down into the middle
of the road and looked down the road after it. Now,
what the heck that was, I don't know, but whatever
it was, it was basically invisible. To us stealth technology,
cloaking device. Who knows. So maybe they are here, maybe

(01:21:43):
they're just cloaked. Maybe that shadow person you see in
the corner of your room, on the corner your eye
is one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Yeah, And here's I want to show you this because
I always show people this. This is something I captured,
which was a shadow person, and people out there on
the radio end. I'm just going to show this to
our guest here, an actual shadow person. And I often wondered,

(01:22:10):
I know, there was a point in time where I'm like, okay,
it's this paranormal And then I heard someone talk about
talk about an encounter where they had what they were
suspecting to be abducted by aliens and they had some
footsteps on the roof and they were thinking that those
were aliens on the roof, and also talking about shadow

(01:22:32):
people being aliens cloaked. And so I'll show you that. Actually,
we're coming up to a break right now. So what
we'll do is go ahead, get ready to jump into
this break. Let me actually do this here for the guests.
Let's see here all right, all right, this is this

(01:22:58):
shadow person. So this is take and right inside my
hallway here if you can see that. Are you able
to see that there? Let me bring that up more here.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Oh wow, that's creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
This was taken in the hallway and it's not my shadow.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Light behind you shining in that direction.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
No light behind So I'm not taking this picture. This
picture was taken by my daughter. I actually wasn't even
home at the time. It was close to midnight. I'll
talk to you more about this right now. We're going
to break. We'll be right back here on Space Stop Radio,
the after hours radio show me your host, mister robb
g Awesome conversation happening, guys, Questions will be coming up soon.
Make sure you don't go anywhere. We'll talk to you

(01:23:41):
right after the break. All right, we are clear. We

(01:24:04):
are clear, And if we could get rid of that
spam in the chat, that would be awesome. Mods. I
know you got it, so yeah. So basically, there's a
light source here that you see in the hallway is
actually in front of the camera. So behind the camera
is actually a door, a closed door. So this light

(01:24:27):
source you see in the image is above in front
of the camera. There is to the left of the
corner there where you see the corner wall to the left.
Right there there is a kitchen table and uh, no
light on there, and so you see the feet going
all the way down to the floor. If this was

(01:24:47):
a person standing there, the light source would have to
be coming from behind the camera in order to project this.
And yeah, sher. She she was had her phone hanging
on the door and she was doing TikTok dances right
there about where you see that door handle. And then
she went into the bathroom, which is where that door is.

(01:25:10):
Her while she's on FaceTime with her friends. Her friend
snapped the image and then she comes out of the
bathroom and they tell her somebody's in your house, and
then so they send her the picture and then she's
all scared. And then I happened to walk in the
house maybe twenty minutes after that from a road trip,
and she shows me the picture and I'm like okay.

(01:25:34):
I'm like, have you ever heard of shadow people? And
she's like no, And I was like, well, I think
you should probably read on it. I didn't want to
tell her what it was, didn't want to scare it.
She was like fourteen years old, like, didn't want to
scare so she researched it I talked to her like
the next day or the day after that, and I
asked her, did you read and see what that what

(01:25:55):
shadow person was? And she was like yes. She was
like I was scared. I couldn't go to sleep all night,
and I was like yeah, yeah, And so we've had
this was just one of the things we had here
at this house. We had so many different phantom knocking
where no one is there. We have footsteps on the roof,

(01:26:15):
UFO sighting right out here in the backyard were forty
seven objects. We have a side house connected to this
house where we had orbs triggering, the ring camera floating
around the room, all sorts of crazy stuff here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
But I'll can I ask you how old is the house?

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Just I think it was built in the mid nineties
early nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Okay, so it's not old enough where it would be
considered haunted necessarily. So if it's not haunted per se.
And I'm not sure I believe a ghosts or not,
But I don't discount anything. I really don't because I
don't have the answers. So I mean, i'd be pretty
daring for me to discount something. So apparently I think
it is a shadow person. I think it's a true
shadow person, not a ghost per se, And that's a

(01:27:01):
lit'll worry something. I don't think I want to leave
little children home alone like that. Yeah, yeah, that would
be frightening. I wouldn't want to stay in the house
if I saw that with you exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
And I'll tell you, I have a studio to the
left of that wall takes you out to the garage,
and I have an outside room where I have a studio,
And so anytime I'm in the studio and I come
back in the house and I walk past that area,
I always turn and look to see if I'm going
to see something there. Ever, since this photo happened, every

(01:27:33):
time I walk past, I look over there to see
if I see any shadow or anything. It's crazy, Like
I can go down a list of crazy things that
happen here at this how we had a lady who
came to the front door middle of the day. We're
like four houses off the corner. Middle of the day.
I'm in the office or the studio at the time.

(01:27:53):
My girlfriend is in the front right where that shadow is,
and someone knocks on the door and it's a random
lady asking to come in she's asking could she come
in the house and take a shower, and so it
was weird and creepy. So we're like, she my girl
came and asked me. I'm like no, no, no, So
we tell her no, and then she leaves and we're

(01:28:14):
sitting there talking like, man, that was weird. That's strange.
And I'm saying, I wonder if she went to the
neighbor's house first, and then then did she go to
the other neighbors after. So we check our ring cameras,
which detect anything coming up the driveway, down the driveway.
Nothing there. She did not come up on ring camera
walking up to the house or leaving the house. I

(01:28:36):
don't know what that is. I can't say she was whatever,
But she did not trigger the ring camera coming up
to the house or leaving it. And it's triggered by
cars driving by. Yeah, very strange, Yeah that is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
There was another case very similar to this, almost the
exact same setup. It was an apartment. The front door
was at the end of the hallway and looks just
like that, And then she was in the living room
and her dog started barking, was standing and she was
around the corner off would be my right and when
I'm looking at your picture, and she was curious what
it was barking, and so she got up to look.

(01:29:13):
And as she looked, that same shadow was standing right
where standing now, but its head dipped out and then
dipped ducked back. But it was on the other side
and on the other side of your hallway. Here it
would be the kitchen for that house. And she the
kitchen was a called kitchen. It was a dead end.
There was no way out other than that door. So
she thought it was the shadow of someone in the kitchen.

(01:29:34):
So she ran and looked in the kitchen. Being alone,
she was scared nothing and there was no way for
you to get out. It absolutely wasn't there. And yet
the dog stood in the hallway was barking like crazy
when it saw it. She saw it, She got it
on film. So was it real? Sure looked real to me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Coming We're coming back right now, Mr. All right, hold on,
I can't believe that. Let me see, oh cha, all right,

(01:30:20):
here we go, all right, everybody, we wasn't back spaced
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Author Ufo experiencer, move on, investigator Rob Chelsky getting into
a really good conversation. Once again, we are talking UFOs,
We are talking the truth that strangers in fiction. If

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you missed any of the conversation, make sure you jump
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dot Com, Forward slash at space out Radio. So as
we jump back into this convo. So, okay, let's we
kind of talk about aliens maybe being able to cloak
and then them being shadow people. That's been one of

(01:31:03):
the things that I've thought about because you know, initially
I had a shadow person experience and I thought it
was paranormal, and it was the thing that was I
had to break my mind on is that it felt
like I experienced every part of the phenomena. First, I
had UFO Clear's day I recorded on video. We have that, okay,

(01:31:23):
then we have footsteps on the roof. I'm thinking maybe paranormal,
shadow person. Okay, paranormal. Then the orbs in the sign house,
so I'm thinking, okay, maybe paranormal. And so I'm like,
what are the chances that you would have experiences with
all the different parts of the phenomena back to back.
Is it more likely that all of these things are related.

(01:31:46):
And so that's when I heard the guy talk about
the aliens, you know, potentially being on his roof and
his girlfriend being scared to get off I come out
the bathroom because they figured that they would be abducted.
And then I thought about minds. I was like, Okay,
we had a UFO siding, we have footsteps on the roof.
If that was extraterrestrial related, then is the shadow person

(01:32:08):
thing potentially related to extraterrestrials? And I'm like, it'd be
more likely that they were all related than them being
separate things, separate parts of the phenomena. What do you
think about that theory as I'm thinking through this, Well, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
I think it would have to be that way, unless
you're sitting at some sort of a nexus point where
there's a weak line in our reality where different things
can interestard from different dimensions. That would be the only
other thing I could think of. But yeah, I think
they'd have to be connected. I really do. And these
things do shim to be connected. Here in North Carolina,

(01:32:45):
we have the Brown Mountain lights and they're so prevalent,
so common, and they've been around for centuries. The Native
Americans thought they were the lights of the wives of
warriors searching for their lost husbands on the hilltop. People say, well,
they have to be swamp gas. Now they're not swamp gas.

(01:33:06):
It's on the top of a mountain. No swamps on
tops of mountains. They thought maybe it was headlights, except
that these things have been around for at least three centuries,
long before we had cars. They were first noted by
settlers in the late seventeen hundred seventeen eighty seven. I'm
pretty sure we did have automobiles then, you know so.

(01:33:28):
And the thing is I went and witnessed them and
photographed him. Was investigative calumnists for Alien Skin magazine, and
these things came up. It was the fall, the trees
had lost all the leaves were upie in the hills,
and we're looking across and there's an actual state turnout
that has a sign that says viewpoint for brown mountain lights.
They're that common. And you can watch these things and

(01:33:50):
they rise up slowly like a white globe, and they
might change to red, but they go straight up. And
it was very windy that day, so I know what
they weren't. They weren't balloons. No balloon would have gone
straight up for that length of time, because this went
on for fifteen twenty minutes as you watch them rise
from below on up. And they always were sphere spherical,

(01:34:10):
and they weren't helicopters, they weren't airplanes, they weren't drunes.
In fact, when I did it was back in the
early two thousands. There were any drones around of any
consequence back then. So no, it's I don't know what
they were, but I can tell you what they weren't.
And that's kind of how I feel about this whole phenomena.
I can pretty much say what they're not to a

(01:34:31):
certain degree, but I can't tell you what they are.
Are these shadow people cloaks? If so, they're able to
walk through walls. Maybe they're not cloaked like we know,
but maybe they're actually out of phase slightly with our reality,
and that means walls don't stop them. That could be
the same thing the so called grays or aliens are
using to go in and out of houses. But if

(01:34:51):
this is the case, then why do they walk up
over roofs and things like that and come to windows
but try to get into a house. But can't seem to,
I mean to some of them not carry the pocket
device that makes them able to do this. I so
many questions, and we have all the stata pouring in
from move On huge database, but we need to start
looking for patterns correlating. We need to actually use that data,

(01:35:13):
not just keep piling it up. I mean, what's the
point of having an encyclopedia if you never open it
and look at it? If you know what I mean? Yeah,
you know, are there places where they constantly are coming?
Are there certain situations? I mean, we do draw correlations,
and I think we need to do more of that.
We need to find some answers. It might mean our survival.

(01:35:34):
This is not some minor issue anymore. I think it's
our survival. People say, well, they're not harming us, let's
just go on the way we are. Good luck they
change their minds. They have the power to get rid
of us. They have that kind of physics technology.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, you have to. You have to believe
that they have some sort of weaponry. Even if we
have a scene to be displayed, you would have to
think that they're traveling vast distances, that they have to
have something wrong. Those lines. And you know, one of
the things that I look at is, as we talked
about earlier, it's it's if they've been here this whole

(01:36:09):
time from millennia, then we've been existing on parallel from
each other. But and we talked about the intersecting lines,
if they would intersect at any point, and that, you know,
I think there are maybe a few examples. Actually, I
think I put together like five examples of where I
felt like, potentially, if we looked at this incident, it

(01:36:31):
could be considered as maybe extraterrestrial contact or them attempting
to contact us in some form. And that was like
the list that I put together. Had the Washington the
UFOs over Washington where they were there for like two weeks.
You know that that would seem like a display saying hey,

(01:36:51):
we're here, guys, Hey, you know, let's come to the table.
So we have that. We have the Aerial School where
they landed, got out in front of all the kids.
We at the West Law School where they did the
same thing. We have the Phoenix Lights where they just
flew right over the city of Phoenix and thousands of
people saw. And then we have even more recently, the

(01:37:13):
New Jersey drones, which if you were to believe that
those were anomalous in any way, which I know a
lot of people do, even though some may be prosaic.
Could that have also been like the most recent attempt
at extraterrestrials attempting to tell everyone saying, Hey, we're here,
let's come to the table. And if that was just

(01:37:35):
say it was an attempt, then we keep blowing it,
and we keep you moving past the moment and not
taking advantage of something that could potentially be contact. And
if we keep doing that, will we ever have the
contact moment? Even if they're trying, I.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Don't think they want contact. I really don't flag around drugs.
It would be rather a stupid way of trying to
make contact. Good way to observe us, maybe, good way
to watch what we're doing, maybe even attack us if
they had to, but to contact no, I mean Land
on the White House lawn, you know, Land on the
mall in Washington, DC. Radio US broadcasts to us. If

(01:38:19):
you have this kind of technology, we can bend physics
like we can't do yet. You must have the ability
to communicate by radio. And if you've been around here
as long as I think they have, then why don't you.
They may be like Dolphus, they may be an intelligent species,
but it's just so different from us. They have no
interest in us. Some people say, well, maybe they're so
advanced they see us as ants and not a I'm sorry,

(01:38:42):
But the more advanced we get, the more we seem
to care about things and people. I mean, when we
were primitive, murder slavery was common. I mean even the
Bible talks about the right to own slaves in the
Old Testament. But we've changed as we've evolved, and civilization
has been solely creeping upwards. And as we creep upwards,

(01:39:04):
we seem to develop more morals, more moras. Do we
stick to them always? We don't, but at least we
have them now. At least we now think slavery is wrong.
At least we don't try to conquer all of our neighbors,
although even that's getting a little questionable lately. But poor
old Canada. But I went to University of Canada. I

(01:39:29):
have a very soft spot in my heart for Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
But yeah, I just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
I don't think they want to contact us. I think,
first of all, if there are any experiments on us
or observing us. They don't want to interfere with us
too much, although they do seem to do that on
a regular basis too, But they don't seem to want
to make open contact with us. But it may just
be like the dolphin things, they're just so alien that
we don't They may be intelligent, but we just don't.

(01:39:57):
Aren't never gonna be able to communicate with them, We
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
That's the thing. I could see that as being the case,
because if they've been here so long and they haven't
really they had every opportunity to do so and they haven't,
then maybe they don't want to contact us. But then
it's when it's moments like aerial school where the craft
lands in front of people knowing lylands in front of
people out of school, and then the beans get out

(01:40:22):
and try to interface with children, and it's like, Okay,
what is that? What is that moment? Is that moment
an attempt at contact because they're showing themselves they've landed
middle of the day, and then it's happened multiple times,
because there's at least two or three other school incidents
where they've landed at schools in the middle of the day.

(01:40:44):
And it's just like, why is that the case? Like
is it? Yeah, the Westall School and there was another
one I can't think of the name of in the seventies,
but you know, it's just like, okay, those if we
took everything else out the equation and only had those sightings, those,

(01:41:04):
it would seem like they were trying to do something there.
And it's just like, Okay, when is that next aerial
school moment or Westall School moment where they say and
it's a white house lawn moment for me because I
think white house lawn the equivalent is craft landing beans
getting out saying hello, And we have cases where they've
done that. So that's why I'm like, Okay, you know,

(01:41:27):
if we look at the drone sighting, because it was
two months long, and Ross Colthard even says they're still
showing up today, then what is that? Do you first
of all, do you think the drones were us or
do you think that some of that was anomalous or
what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
I don't know. The government gives us so much misinformation
these days. It seems to be anything that they decide
to be classified can be classified instantly, and they were
alien drones, and they didn't want to say this. Of course,
it would say there are like ninety after they investigated.
But you know, the funny thing is they say that,
but then they never pin down exactly whose they are,

(01:42:04):
do they. I mean I've heard that they said, like,
oh yeah, ninety of the drone settings of New Jersey
for our own drones. Well, who's were they? The governments,
the state, private citizens? Let us know, give me some information,
because without information, it's just hearsay. I mean, you can
say anything you want to. I mean, just because the
skeptic says, oh, that's it's just swamp casts, doesn't mean

(01:42:25):
it is swamp cast. But if a scientist says that,
everyone jumps on the bad back and says, oh, yeah,
they've determined its swamp casts. Know they haven't. The scientists
just threw that out as a possibility, But the media
seizes on it every time. And the media is quick
to change its direction too. It's it's so quick to
move on. No, I don't think they want to contact us.
The school things if they yeah, they landed there and

(01:42:48):
I read up on them, they didn't attempt to contact people. Particularly,
They seem to ignore us It's almost like that thing
where they're humans and were ants. They just don't seem
to care. That's what I mean about being a moral
They don't seem to care one way or the other.
They may not wish as harm or they may not
have a sense of morals like we have. They may

(01:43:08):
be so alien that they simply don't have a concept
of morality. Our morality is strictly subjective. It's something we've
created for ourselves based on what's good or not good
for us as human being. Don't do into others what
you'd have them doing to you. It protects them, it
protects yourself. But they may be from a completely different
form of evolution and simply not feel that way. They

(01:43:29):
might be a high mind, And there's just on and
these aliens that are landing are just like let's say,
fingers on a hand, sent to do something for them,
but not really independent creatures in their own right. So
we just don't know enough. We know the results, we
know the consequences to some degree, but we just don't

(01:43:50):
know how or why. Those are the big questions. Why
are they here? How are they here? And of course
where are they from? Are they from the stars? And
another dimensional from the future. We just don't know, but
we need to know, and I think it's getting more
and more pressent that we need to know, because whether
they want contact or not. With all the cameras, all
the phones, and all this sort of stuff going on now,

(01:44:11):
all the recording devices for their own technology growing, at
some point we're going to come to loggerheads and they're
either going to be friendly, they're going to be indifferent,
or they're going to be foes. Right now, I say
they're indifferent, but I don't think they've been particularly friendly.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
What do you think about the future human element that
people come up with? Do you think there's anything there
as far as that goes anything that would make you
feel like that that's what's going on here, future human visitation.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
It could very well be. You know, it's strange, but
we think, well, if they come back, why haven't we
seen like tourists from the future. Well, one thing I
think was Carl Sagen said, well, or it was one
of the famous scientists, that well, why haven't we seen them?
Why don't they why don't we see these people walking

(01:45:02):
around the silver suits with silver glasses on, mirrored glasses on? Well,
and then Another one, scientists said if they did travel
through time, they would walk and speak in whisperers and
try to avoid all attention because they wouldn't want to
change the course of history in their own future where
they exist. So there's two elements. Could it be from
the future, Well, logically, these things seem to bend physics

(01:45:25):
as we know it. They seem to be of physics
we don't know. We don't know how something that seems
to have no propellers, no motor, no jet engine, no
reasonable way of lifting itself, and darting around at incredibly
high speeds that would turn us to liquid if we
made these sharp turns that these things make. So either
their uninhabited vehicles or they have some kind of ability
to overcome inertia. So the more you look into it,

(01:45:49):
the more it looks like they're just are way beyond
their capability. So time travel certainly could be a possibility.
And remember something else, It doesn't matter when you invent
a time machine exist throughout time, whether we invented one
today and travel through time, or someone three trillion years
from now invents what and decides to travel back to us.
If you have a time machine, time is open to

(01:46:11):
you in every direction. So yeah, it could be that
it could be interdimensional or could be an alien species.
You know, proximit B is looking pretty suspicious right now.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
What do you think the benefit of because I've never
got what the benefit of them come if they were
from the future, what the benefit would be to come
back in time other than to just out of curiosity,
as maybe some sort of commercial sort of thing they
do in the future where it's like, hey, take a
trip back in time, and you know, like some more
of a theatrical sort of thing versus anything else. What

(01:46:46):
do you think that the purpose would be to come back.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
It could be a number of reasons. It could be tourism,
probably not. I imagine the ability to send someone through
time would be a very expensive and massive scientific project.
Even in the future. It could be scientific historians wanted
to observe and check ancient humanity, which by their standards
it would be. It could be that they're trying to

(01:47:12):
alter history to make the outcome in their own time better,
and there's some evidence for that as well. Historical evidence.
For instance, we have had major crises in our history
where strange weather events interfered. For instance, when the Spanish
or Marta went for England. They were destroyed by a

(01:47:33):
great storm. And it was so important to the English
that Queen Elizabeth the First, that's the one we just had,
had a medallion struck that we called it divined went
and nowly nothing happened in America too, you know, during
the War of eighteen twelve, the British landed and marched
on Washington, started burning including the White House. But they

(01:47:56):
were stopped by quote unquote a hurricane and tornado that
went down the name Boulevard of Washington, DC at the
time in eighteen twelve, eighteen thirteen, and it completely destroyed
their equipment, scattered their men, and they were forced to
retreat to the coast and take to the ship. And
that stopped their invasion. That was referred to as the
divine wind or the wind of Providence, and it happened

(01:48:20):
in Japan twice. Twice. The Chinese tried to invade Japan
under the Mongolian Emperor about fourteen fifteen years apart, and
each time a great wind came up on the Sea
of Japan and destroyed their fleet and killed thousands. They
had some forty thousand soldiers that were sending out and

(01:48:41):
they killed tens of thousands of soldiers and never made it. Now,
to be outdone, the emperor decided. I can't remember the
exact amount of years, but twelve to fourteen fifteen years
later he tried it again, another great wind came and
destroyed his fleet. After that, Japan was never invaded by China.
This wind was so important to the Japanese that it

(01:49:01):
became their divine win, and their word for divine win
was kamakaze.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Okay, okay. And so we could experience something like that
in modern time potentially, you know, try, especially with what
we're dealing with now, maybe we get some global thing
that happens that kind of stops it in his tracks. Okay,
I'm getting that, and I'm feeling that now as far
as the let me ask you this last thing here

(01:49:29):
before we go to the last break and get into questions.
What do you think about the hybridization whole idea that
they are impregnating women and that whole thing. Do you
think that's the thing or what do you think they
examine us for when they take us to board ships.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Well, I think it's genetics. I think it has something
to do with it, and we could very well be
a hybrid species. You know, if you believe in a
Citiens idea of the Onnaki and has read his books
on it, he talks about them creating us from hybridizing
us from existing species on Earth to create people could
mine for them. The young and Occupanty wanted gold very badly,
and they decided that Earth's environment and atmosphere just weren't

(01:50:11):
particularly good for them, so they decided to make a
race that could do the hard labor for them. The course,
eventually that race rebelled against them. The Indian Vedic texts
of India referred to overlords who were from somewhere else
and that we had a rebellion against them. There reached
a similar story and that these people had vimanas, which

(01:50:31):
were flying machines, and that a great war broke out
not only on Earth but in the sky, and some
well over one hundred different races were involved, and that
I think it was I can't remember the god, but
it was either Chris or Colie actually flew to the
moon and it was a battle on the moon. Now,

(01:50:52):
how did the Indians know that the moon was anything
other than a light in the sky, That it was
actually something solid that you could fly to. And by
the way, they even allowed some us applied to the Mona,
the most loyal ones, and in the Vedic text it
actually describes how these amunta worked and how they engineered them.
Now that's now we call the myth and legends. It's

(01:51:14):
not legends and myths to the Indian people. To them,
it's history. So it's just we have a rather arrogant
view of the world. If it doesn't fit our prescribed
notions in the West, then it must be myth and legend.
So there you go with that. But yeah, it's it's
amazing the amount of information we have. What I'd love

(01:51:36):
to do is be able stringing together and come up
with an answer. Are you looking for answers? Are you
just it's just just more like entertainment.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
For you, I mean the whole idea of it, or no,
I'm here. I'm here totally for answers. And that's why
we have conversations that move the needle. I believe that
that every conversation we have should move the needle a
little more forward. And I think we I think we've
done that here tonight. And yeah, this's the only thing
I don't. I don't get into just having conversations for

(01:52:04):
the sake of telling stories or you know. I'm actually
here to have engaging conversations that actually add to the conversation.
So yeah, that's what I'm all about. That's my passion.
That's what drives me to get up and do this
thing every day and why I'm so excited to get
to it and why I reach out to individuals like

(01:52:26):
yourself because I know that you are on that same
mindset and you're looking for answers too, and the way
that you that you get closer to answers is have
get two people together that are looking for answers to
have the conversation, and that's how we progress. It's a
beautiful thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
Oh it works too, because again I was the whole
idea of a Holla moon was completely anetha to me
until I was on Coast to Coast radio and that
one viewer called in and said, what do you think
about that? And it got me thinking and heading in
that direction. Do I believe the one is hollow? I
don't know. I wish I had the answers I relieved to,
but it seems to odd that there are two moons
of the solo system bobos and our mood, and they

(01:53:06):
both seem to be circling plants that either have life
or might have had life in the past. That's an
odd coincidence. Why not Jupiter?

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
Why not? But it seems to be Mars and Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
And the nice thing is is there were so many
books that you've written and authored. There are so many
other places that we're gonna be able to go with conversation.
So I'm gonna love to book you again and so
we can do this again. But right now we're gonna
get ready to go to our break at the top
of the hour and come back with questions for our
guest here tonight, Rob Chelsky. We'll see you right after
the break.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
On the conversations that move the need for conversation, that
moved the need.

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the only place where you can own the night, spaced
out radio.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
Right, I see. Right after the break, we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
All right, everybody, welcome back Space Out Radio, the after
hours radio show. We are in after our number three,
going overtime with our guests here, Rob Shelsky, who's been uh.
It was agreed to go ahead and answer some of
your questions here. We have a long list. We'll be
going right from the radio break here. In about ten seconds,
I'll bring Rob back up here and five seconds and

(01:59:28):
here we go. All right, welcome back Space Out Radio
after our number three would be your host, mister Rob g.
We're back with our guests. Move on, Investigator UFO Experience
or researcher an author, science fiction author, Rob Sheolski. We're
gonna be getting into questions here if you missed any

(01:59:51):
of the conversation awesome conversations for the first two hours,
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the show and jump into the first question here we
had earlier tonight, Paul Scott posed a question asking Rob

(02:00:11):
and we're both Rob, so I'm assuming he's talking to you, Rob,
do you know what part of the government is covering
up the secret I would assume who knows and who
does not.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
In your opinion, the evidence seems to point to the
fact that the president is not part of the loop,
and if they are, they're keeping it very silent. Jimmy
Carter said that when he became president, he would because
he had seen a UFO over Georgia, that he would
look into it and divulge any information to the public.

(02:00:44):
It never happened. Ronald Reagan, same thing. Apparently out on
this ranch in California. He and his wife Nancy saw
something and he mentioned that they saw it, but that's
it stopped there. So either they're being told and they're
not telling us, or they're not in the loop. And
if you believe in the Majestic twelve theory, then they're

(02:01:04):
not in the It's only on a need to know basis,
and they just don't need to know. I think Senator
in a Way from Hawaii before he dies, said there
is a secret government. It has its own military, it's
own air force, its own navy, and it is outside
the control and the purview of the general government. And
I think that's the case. We are so national security

(02:01:26):
and classification consciousness country. Now, I'm pretty sure that it's
quite easy for the left hand not to know that
the right hand it's doing so, is a present privy
to this information. Possibly, Is it likely? That's about a
fifty to fifty question. I always have to say, no,
I probably not, not unless he makes a real stink
about it and then they let him in on a

(02:01:46):
little of it, and then he has to keep his
mouth shut. So I think that's where it stands. I
think the government. I think it's the military industrial complex
that is behind a lot of it, and I think
they are quite capable of keeping your secrets at whatever
cost to the general public.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
Do you think Kennedy was about to reveal it with
what we know at this point, No.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
I don't think he was. I don't think he was
in the loop. I think Truman was in the loop.
I think Eisenhower might have been, but I don't think
Kennedy was. I don't think he was so caught up
with the developments in Vietnam and the Bay of Pigs disaster,
with the invasive of Cuba that he had a lot
on his mind. And I think most presents their mandate

(02:02:33):
is to govern the country, to protect the people in
the United States, and so they're probably just not on
the need to know list.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
That's what I think. That makes sense. That makes sense.
Terrence Wills is asking how many UFO sightings do you
think go unreported?

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
The vast majority I've.

Speaker 8 (02:02:53):
He raised an interesting point. Just before I quit, I
saw UFO move on the fre quick move on. I
saw UFO the city of Greensboro. Myself, I haven't seen
many UFOs about. I've seen him twice once in San
Diego and I lived there, and fifty thousand other people
saw it in the San Diego Stadium where the Chargers
were playing when they were in San Diego at the time,
and it was the headline of newspaper the next day.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
He said, mystery objects cited over San Diego. And I
also saw one over the city of Greensboro. Again, I
can't tell you what it was, but I can tell
you definitely what it wasn't. And so the situation is
kind of, oh, I don't know. It's just I don't
know what to tell you. To be honest with you,

(02:03:36):
I'm at a loss. I'm at the point in all
this where I have researched and research and research, and
it's getting frustrating not getting the answers. I imagine you've
been in this for quite a while too, haven't you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
I've been in it. I've been in this consistently strong
for i'd say last five years. Just day you're in.

Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
Newby, you're a Newby. I've been in it for about
forty years now.

Speaker 1 (02:04:00):
Wow. Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:04:01):
And I've done and I've done acres and acres of research.
And when I get a lot of research done and
I learned something, then I like to share it with
the general public by writing a book on it. And
so that's kind of what I do. I research it
and to the point where I write about it. But
you always hit this block every time you turn. Whichever
way you turn, you learn so much, but you can't

(02:04:23):
learn more. It's like this an invisible wall. It just
keeps you from learning more. The government doesn't respond where
it responds slowly and responds lots of times with lives.
How many versions of the Roswell incident has the government
released along? It just goes on decade of a decade.
First it's a flying disc, then it's a weather balloon
that is a weather balloon with dummies I mean, they

(02:04:46):
keep telling their story, but it's the same thing. It
was not a weather balloon. We all know it was
a weather But how do you fight it. The government
has all the control, It controls the dissemination of information,
so what can you do. And if they choose to
lie about it or covered up, there's not a lot
we can do about it. But yeah, I think that
the vast majority of from what I've seen as an investigator,

(02:05:10):
a beautiful sighting school unreported. And to finish my story,
I didn't report my side either, And my state director said, Rob,
why didn't you report it? I said, I said, well,
what good would it do?

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
What good would it do to you were an investigator
at the time? Yes, wow, okay, okay, I No, that
was is like you're an investigator, you should be taking
your own report or something at this point.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
Like absolutely, But you can't be your own judge. I
mean when I investigate, it seems I have to decide
if it's environmental things they saw, if it's fog, or
if it's an airplane or something seeing how partly in
the cloud. And if I tried to judge for myself,
then I'm not an objective and I do believe that
you have to be objective in this. We don't need

(02:05:57):
Oh it'd be nice if it worked, Base Brother thing
and all these series about this and knowledge, but we
need are facts that we can use to find the answers.
That's that's how I look at it. I do I
believe in UFOs, Yes, but I'd love to kick the
tires of one, so to speak, just to make sure
it's rip exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
I like that. I like that Amy is asking if
a human person came to our home and took us,
they would go to jail. So why does an alien
seem to think it's okay? It is a crime against
humanity and then they drop us in fields like we
don't matter.

Speaker 3 (02:06:32):
Amy's absolutely right. These people seem to have, These aliens
seem to have no sense of human rights or the
dignity of human beings whatsoever. I mean, just because they
make you forget what they did to you on board
their ships doesn't mean that you didn't go through it.
And when they relive it underhapnosis, they re experience the
pain and the horror and the fear. But I mean,

(02:06:52):
just because they blank your memory doesn't mean that they
didn't do it. Just because you're put under anesthetic at
a hospital for an operation to so you didn't have
the operation. When you wake up, you might be in
a lot of pain from that operation, if you see
what I mean. So, yeah, she said, and he's absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:08):
In my.

Speaker 1 (02:07:10):
Theory is is that when I don't think we're supposed
to wake up during those abductions.

Speaker 2 (02:07:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
And I and using the anesthesia example that I had
a whole surgery where I got cut open with the
scalpboard and they stitched me back up and I don't
remember any of it zero, Like if if I didn't
have the physical proof after, I would have never known
that it happened. And I think that's what Iliana productions
are supposed to be. We're not supposed to ever know

(02:07:38):
that it happened. Some of us wake up during the procedure.
And I think that's where we get this whole. Uh.
These reports of abductions, and some of them are quite horrible.

Speaker 3 (02:07:48):
You know, there was a case in Brazil, you're San
Paulo where a man was found a young kid was
fishing and he looked across the lake. It was actually
a reservt with the city of Saint Paula and he
looked and there was a man there lying, So he
went over to check him out and he was dead,
lying in the grass, was on his strub, not trampled

(02:08:11):
as if someone had dropped him there. The police came,
it went This was in the late eighties, and it
went to the local morgue, and the doctor at the
time didn't say anything because he was told not to.
But several years later, in the early nineties, he came
out with it. Internal organs had been sucked out of
this person. They had been mutilated. Their anus had been
cored out and removed, their lips, their heart, their lungs,

(02:08:35):
and they were drawn out through tiny holes apparently in
their armpits and in they're growing all these organs, the
same thing as a cattle mutilation. So it doesn't some
of them don't come back alive.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
That case right there, the human mutilation, if you could
later send me the link or just the name. So
I want to research that actually because I think the
definitely there, definitely is there has to be cases of
that out there. So and then let me see, we
have this question here from emcfat and saying, hi, robs,

(02:09:09):
are we being farmed and harvested in this prison zoo.

Speaker 3 (02:09:14):
That's what I'm afraid of. What happens to sixty thousand
Americans disappear of a year and not maybe not all
of them are abducted by aliens, but a lot of them.
Maybe even the missing books about what's happening international parks
kind of support that idea. And remember, take that sixty
thousands and the multiply times every country on Earth. Not
the same number of sixty thousand, it's different for different countries,

(02:09:36):
but what would be the total missing population in the
United States of the world in one year, And a
lot of countries aren't even reporting it, like in Africa
and South America. So yeah, I think we could be
being farmed and or harvested. And I'm not sure if
it's a zoo or a prison, or if we're just

(02:09:56):
some kind of massive experience experiment, but I you think
that it's whatever it is. If they're not telling us,
and if they're not trying to make us not rememberance,
then they have some kind of ulterior motive. And that
ulterior motive doesn't look good to me when there's that
kind of secrecy involved. Why not just come to us
directly say Hi, we are neighbors from Proxima B or

(02:10:18):
Alpha centaury A, and we'd like to know more about you.
Could we have some tissue samples, DNA samples, But nope, nope.
They're stealing people, treating them miserably, killing some of them,
naming others, and dropping them back on the earth wherever
they feel like it. And we're supposed to say, oh, okay,
they're not really bad because we don't remember what happened
to us. My brother had the scoop marks, he had

(02:10:39):
that foreign particle in his body. He had missing time,
but he never did take the hypnosis and he died
not knowing. And we all have to die someday. But
I'd like to know what's going on before I passed,
you know, yes, yes or maybe not?

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
Maybe better fact that that part too, yeah, because I thought, yeah,
I often think about if they were here to eat us.
Chances are they probably aren't, but it's the small chance
that they are, Like what they're gonna just consume you
in front of your loved ones, and and I just
think about a moment like that, and I just for
the record, want to let extra trust reals know I

(02:11:16):
do not taste good at all. Don't put me on
the list. I'm not good in any you know, shape
or form or fashion.

Speaker 3 (02:11:24):
Actually, so I understand like pork, they don't like pork.
I don't think it's to serve man. But if they're
stealing all of our people every year around the world,
where are they taking them? What they using them for?

Speaker 1 (02:11:42):
Very depressing. And see that's why when I think about
when lul Alessando says somber, uses words like somber, and
then Ross colthart Is says something like ominous or he
eused some word that that kind of meant the same thing,
and I'm just like, why are they saying this? Like
what do they know that we don't know? What theories

(02:12:03):
have they come up with? And this would be something
I would consider somber And yes, so let me see
your Terrence Wills is asking questions for both. Where is
this whole reveal of aliens going? It seems inevitable and
impossible at the same time.

Speaker 3 (02:12:21):
Well, it could be going to full disclosure. I don't
think we're going to get hard disclosure. I think the
government's going to keep if they're going to disclose at all,
And it looks like they are a little bit, but
I think they only disclosing when they're forced to, and
so many videos from phones and things kind of force
them to have to respond. So yeah, I think we

(02:12:41):
might get it eventually, but I think the government's finding
too they hell not to have to do it. I
don't think they want to do it, And is it inevitable.
I think it's our technology advances. Just as everyone has
a phone now and can take pictures of these things
and videos, it's going to become I think Terrence is
absolutely right. I think it's going to become more and
more difficult for the government not to do it, and

(02:13:03):
it's going to be at some point possibly impossible. But
if the government's hiding it, why are they hiding it?
Is it for fear of world panic? The majority of
people in the United States I believe UFOs are real,
So what are you going to panic them by telling
them UFOs are real? So apparently it's not the nineteen
fifties anymore. We don't run screaming ntil the night because

(02:13:24):
it's some alien monster on our doorstep or we're told
there might be. We've kind of gotten used to the idea.
I think maybe that's what the government's trying to do
There was a theory in the eighties that the government
was trying to do it with soft disclosure and paving
the way by having nice movies about et great movie
Close Encounters to the Third Kind, great movie. Everyone loved

(02:13:46):
the aliens, everyone wanted to meet up and be included.
Then all of a sudden it started to change and
became movies like The Alien and all these horrible movies.
And so it makes you think that maybe the government
was trying to do it, and then something came up,
something happened that made him decide to backtrack and maybe
start to put the fear back into people about this

(02:14:09):
whole idea. And if the government thinks we should be afraid,
maybe we should be.

Speaker 1 (02:14:15):
Yeah. Yeah, they definitely seen another side of it, I believe.
But paranormal short sessions asking questions for rob If you
had to be abducted by extraterrestrial beings, which one would
you pick?

Speaker 3 (02:14:27):
And why the Nordic ones feel look the most like us.
I'd much rather be abducted by a tall, blonde haired
human being than I would some ugly little devil with tentacles,
Reptilian or even the Grays.

Speaker 1 (02:14:41):
Yeah, that's true, and I would say the same thing. Now,
wouldn't it be funny if the Nordics were the ones
that eat humans? That would be just so ironic, right
that we would be feel safer with the Nordis because
we identify with them on a human level. But then
they're also the ones that consume human beings. That would
just be a und right there, Paul Scott is asking.

Speaker 3 (02:15:03):
I'm interrupted for just a second, but was that last
person who posted Keith Evans that? Oh it was It
was just before Paul Scott. He was up on the screen.
Here is Keith Evans.

Speaker 9 (02:15:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
It's a very good author, by the way, and he's
a friend of mine and we work on paranormal stuff
quite often together, back and forth. And he writes books
like about vampires or vampires alive or Dad. He had
a book about the Hayes House ghosts. He's a very
good ghost investigator. It's not to be called the ghost hunter,
but you might want to consider having him on the

(02:15:37):
show because he's a cool guy.

Speaker 1 (02:15:38):
I would love to Is he before me? His name
and I'll definitely reach out for sure. Yeah, let's do it.
Let's do it, Keith. Let's see here, Paul Scott is
asking Rome, have you ever did interviews where abduffies have
seen United States Air Force military on the craft helping
the aliens with their experiments on civilians?

Speaker 3 (02:15:59):
I have it views with abductees. They have never once
mentioned anything about the military being on the craft and
helping the aliens in any way, or even being involved
in any way. It seems to me that these aliens
are doing this despite our military, maybe with the military
silent agreement that they can get away with it for

(02:16:20):
some reason, maybe exchange for technology. But I think it's
maybe because they can't do anything about it. I don't
think we have the technology to fight these things, and
it's just been tacitly decided that since we can't do
anything about it, leave it alone. But no, I don't
think they're in collusion with the aliens. I hope not.
O heavens, I hope not.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
And we have let's see, let's see, we have Jewels
asking do you think that the governments of Earth will
ever tell us what they know?

Speaker 3 (02:16:54):
I think they will when they're absolutely forced to, and
not before facts.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
That is a fact. Let's see we have Jules again
saying asking when you were a move on investigator, What
was your most interesting case?

Speaker 3 (02:17:11):
Well, I would have to say it's my most bizarre one.
A female preacher who lived in Winston Salem called me up,
or actually called him of the state director, and I
was sent to investigate. And she said that she had
choked an alien strangled him in her bedroom because the
detactor as she was strangling it absolutely no evidence whatsoever

(02:17:33):
to support the idea. And she was a religious person
and she was equating it with being a demon or
an agent of the demons. But she said it was
a true alien, like a gray And that's one of
those investigations that I had to discount. I'm not saying
it didn't happen, but there was absolutely no evidence was
over supported other than her word, And frankly, that's not
enough to go on. We'd have to have some kind

(02:17:54):
of physical evidence or visual evidence of something, you know.
But yeah, I would have to say that was my strangest.

Speaker 1 (02:17:59):
One, all right. And then Terrence Wills, will people freak
out more if aliens look more like aliens or almost
exactly like humans.

Speaker 3 (02:18:11):
The more different they look from us, the more we're
going to hate them and fear them. It's that simple.
That's the way the human race has always been. I
don't see it changing anytime soon. If they come across
looking like octopuses with fifteen eyes and an exterior heart beating,
we're not going to take to them nearly as well
as if they were like the Nordics.

Speaker 1 (02:18:33):
So Terry Doyle's asking, is helium three the energy source
they say it is? And do you think that that
it's what the aliens are after?

Speaker 3 (02:18:45):
I think helium three. We know it's a great energy
source for nuclear fusion. It's like a pure form of fuel.
It's like getting refined oil for your car. It's that
kind of a thing. It's very hard to come by
here on the Earth. We can make it. It takes
a lot of effort, but we can do it. And
there is some naturally here, but nothing like compared on
the Moon. The Moon has tons and tons of it.

(02:19:05):
We could probably power the entire Earth for several hundred
years just on the surface of the Moon alone.

Speaker 1 (02:19:12):
All right, And then off of that crazed, super crazy
movie geek, do you think any alien species would intervene
if humans started launching nuclear missiles?

Speaker 3 (02:19:22):
They might. We have some evidence of that. They were
near a base, we launched a missile. There was a
UFO sided by the military itself. A beam came out
and also that is on the internet. I don't know
if it still is, but it was a number of
years ago and it struck the rock and the missile
and it blew it up, although it wasn't an armed missile. Also,

(02:19:42):
we've had where they have shut down or even started
up the launch coats for missiles at some of our bases,
so they have the capability, and if there weren't an experiment,
they might not want the experiment to terminate itself, if
you know what I mean. So they might stop us,
or they might actually have their best wishes for us
and not want to see us dead, you know, or
wiped out. Or maybe they care about the Earth and

(02:20:04):
not us so much. Maybe the natural environment of Earth,
that's what they're trying to say, and not these creatures
that seem to be destroying it.

Speaker 1 (02:20:13):
Exactly. Paul Scott is asking our robb G do you
think we have already made contact and the normal civilians
are out of the loop.

Speaker 3 (02:20:24):
I think most of the normal so called normal civilians
are out of the loop, and I think we have
already made contact. I think the government is quite aware
of what's going on, at least to some extent, certainly
more than we are. And I think they have tacit
agreement with whoever these things or whatever these things are,
if only because they can't do anything to stop it.
They always say these tic TAC type UFOs are no

(02:20:44):
threat to our aviation. Really, they're buzzing our jets, they're
buzzing our bases. They're invading airspace even over Washington, DC itself,
and that's not a threat to our aviation. So yeah,
and they would have spent millions of dollars on these
programs to try to discern what your UAPs are or

(02:21:05):
UFOs if they didn't have some concern. You're just trying
to modify the general population, I think.

Speaker 1 (02:21:11):
And to add to that, I always say that we
have reports of private pilots being interfered with their electronics
by anomalous craft. We have military pilots who have also
reported the same thing. So chances are commercial pilots that
have also dealt with the exact same thing, But obviously
they wouldn't report that because it's you know, three hundred

(02:21:32):
people aboard a plane and you have to wonder if
some of those catastrophes may have been behind something shutting
off the electronics. Not saying that it has been, but
you just have to at least be open to that.
Roger Murray's asking Rob Selsky question, is the face on Mars?
Is it real or a trick with light and shadow?

Speaker 3 (02:21:54):
I think it's a trick of light and shadow. I
was hoping it wasn't. I was hoping to find an
advanced but maybe jed civilization on Mars. But recent photographs
from NASA show it from different angles and it just
looks like a case of peridolia. I don't think it's
just a trick of lighting and shadow and the human
mind making it up. Although, and I know I'm sounding

(02:22:15):
like a conspiracy theorist here. It certainly looked like in
original photographs, and now the photographs are getting don't look
anything like it. So is the government manipulating the photographs?

Speaker 1 (02:22:26):
Jose Sanchez last question here. Has there ever been a
statistical report of what metals have been found in the
structure of crash off world saucers.

Speaker 3 (02:22:35):
We have had a couple pieces of metal that indicate
that they couldn't have come from the Earth. Their chemical
composition and small amounts of other alloysm like iridium, showed
that they are not natural from Earth itself. We found
this a couple of meteorites most but we also have
found it supposedly in some pieces of material taken from

(02:22:57):
the Rosswell.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
Site and fun fact, a lot of the UFO crash sightings.
The people have found ninety nine percent pure aluminum, whatever
that means. But with that being said, Rob, we have
thirty seconds for you to tell everybody where they can
find you.

Speaker 3 (02:23:14):
They can find me. I would say Amazon, you can
find all my books lined up there. You can go
to Permuted Press for some of my books that aren't
on Amazon. You can go to smash Words my books.
A lot of my books are there as well. Or
you can go to Simon and Schuster, the ones that
published the Harry Potter books. A couple of my books

(02:23:34):
are there as well. So yeah, just google my name
you'll find me.

Speaker 1 (02:23:39):
Well, Rob, it has been a pleasure and this was
gonna be awesome conversation. I knew that when I reached out,
we have to do another show here soon, so I'll
be reaching out and let's book another date.

Speaker 3 (02:23:49):
Great, Thank you sir and I really enjoyed the show,
and I'm so sorry it took me so long to
get my audio working.

Speaker 1 (02:23:53):
That is okay. We had an awesome time here with
Rob Chelsky, author, MOFINE, investigator, UFO researcher. We'll be having
him back. Rob, have a good rest of your night,
Take care all right, and we'll be back spaced out
radio the after hours radio show. Still have about thirty
minutes level, getting some Steve stock and tells un told
missing personal mysteries and maybe a UFO where news story

(02:24:17):
if we could fit it in. We'll be right back
after the break. All right, we are clear, We are clear, clear, guys.
Awesome show so far. Got to thank our guest again.
Rob Chewsky new it's gonna be awesome. Man, I knew
it was going to be great. He's a great conversationalist
and very knowledgeable on the subject and hopefully everyone was

(02:24:42):
able to take something from that and move the needle forward.
Links are above and the chat as Jules has said,
and it's also in the description of the video. I
know I have all of Rob's links there and Jose Sanchez.
It's rare to find aluminum at one hundred percent is
usually mixed with other metals, and that's what makes it unusual. Yeah,

(02:25:05):
and that's the thing for whatever reason. And you would think, right,
because with aluminum being so pliable and malleable, why that, like,
what component of these spaceships would be made out of
ninety nine percent pure aluminum? No one has been able
to answer that, but I watched the show where they

(02:25:26):
tested metals that have been retrieved from Roswell site, I
think the Kingman site as well, and then some other
historical sites, and those materials all came out to be
ninety nine percent aluminum. So there's a link there. There's
a connection of some form of fashion. I don't know

(02:25:47):
what component would be made out of that, but they
they've definitely found it in multiple sites, so there is
a link there. There is a link there for sure.
And see here, what else do we have here? Okay,
let me know the only craft is not made from

(02:26:07):
a wuminium. Yeah. I don't believe. I wouldn't think the
craft itself, the shell would be made out of that,
but apparently something, some part of the craft is made
out of that. I don't know why they would choose
that soft metal, but it definitely is the case according

(02:26:29):
to you know what people have retrieved in the field.
They had it tested and ninety so crazy but yeah, yeah,
and then and then it doesn't go along with the

(02:26:50):
ronswell where they said they have the metal where they
crunched it and it reformed the shape. I don't know.
Maybe the appliability of the metal was aluminum. But maybe
it's like electrically charged in because it's so malleable, it
can reform its shape without you know, leaving creases and
things like that, right, because it's so soft, right, so

(02:27:11):
you're able to do whatever with it, but then something
allows it to pop back out, you know. So maybe
there's something to that. Maybe maybe the shells are made
on I don't know. I don't know. Definitely something to
think about though. Let's see Candace saying the aluminum is

(02:27:34):
for my hat, Rob, Yeah, tenfoil hat, that's right, that's right.
But even aluminum foil isn't you know, ninety nine percent aluminum? Right,
It's I think it's something. I don't know what the
percentages are aluminifoil, but this is like pure aluminum. Let's see,

(02:27:56):
we got about a minute left before we come back
from break and we will be doing some Steve Stocking
tells and toll missing person mysteries, maybe squeezing in a
news story if we have the time. But let me
get this all set up, guys, and we will be
having an awesome show tomorrow as well. We got Kate Chase.

(02:28:22):
I want to say, it's Kate Chase, and I anticipate
another awesome conversation tomorrow night, So make sure you're here
for that if you're new. This is the weekend show.
This is the after hours radio show. It's awesome. When
asking earlier, like I thought Dave was hosting the show.
Dave does host Monday through Friday nine pm until midnight,
which is the main show, and then I do the

(02:28:43):
weekend show, which is the after hours radio show. You'll
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I may try that out, like next week or the
week after. Just see how that work out, going one
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(02:29:07):
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(02:29:51):
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appreciate Steve Stocking being part of After Hours, and we
want to go ahead jump into that right about now.

Speaker 9 (02:30:13):
Welcome to Tales, untold and Missing Person's Mysteries on spaced
Out Radios After Hours. My name is Steve Stockton and
I'm here to take you on a journey of mysteries, legends,
and true stories. Come join me on this strange adventure
of tales, untold and missing person mysteries. First up, Alexandra Greenwalll.

(02:30:37):
On Wednesday, October twenty ninth, twenty fourteen, ten year old
Alexander greenwal disappeared from a Rio Rancho, New Mexico home.
Her disappearance was reported the following morning. The missing person
flyers were widely circulated throughout the city. While some speculated
that she may have run away, many feared that she
had been abducted. The case received nationalt tem as search

(02:31:01):
parties scoured the nearby desert with the help of local
and state police, FBI and concerned neighbors. Police speculated Alexander
may have run away after a heated argument with her mother,
Catherine Allen. After going to bed around ten pm, Alexander
allegedly changed out of her pajamas, packed two bags, and

(02:31:21):
knuck out the back door of her family's home. She
may have been trying to make it to her father's
home sixty miles away in Madrid, New Mexico. To the
relief of many, Alexander returned home unharmed three days after
going missing, She said she'd run away on her own
accord and was not kidnapped. When questioned about how she

(02:31:41):
survived in the desert for three days, she credited her
survival to eating apples and receiving help from animals such
as lizards and coyotes. However, Alexander did not elaborate on
how else the animals helped there. The family has not
fully disclosed details about Alexander's disappearance and save return. He
remains unclear where she was while missing, why search efforts

(02:32:03):
were unsuccessful, and how she returned home unharmed, despite allegedly
being exposed to the elements for several days. Next, we
have Raymond Roth. In July of twenty twelve, Raymond Roth
disappeared while the Long Island Beach. His then twenty two
year old son, Jonathan Roth, called nine to one one

(02:32:25):
to report that his father had quote gone missing in
the waves.

Speaker 1 (02:32:29):
Quote.

Speaker 9 (02:32:30):
Despite a search operation by the Coastguard, police and volunteers,
no trace of Raymond was found, and he was presumed
to have perish. However, about a week later, Raymond himself
was stopped for speeding in South Carolina and arrested for
attempting to defraud his life insurance company of over four
hundred thousand dollars by faking his own death. The plot

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was discovered when prosecutors said Raymond's wife, Havannah, who had
been planning her husband's funeral, stumbled on emails between father
and si On discussing the plan's details. As a result,
he was sent uced to prison for a maximum seven
years in order to pay more than thirty six thousand
dollars in restitution to the Coastguard and Nassau County Police.

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Raymond told the judge he was sorry for what he
did and wasn't doing good mentally. He added that he
had no intention of going back to New York. In
twenty fourteen, seventeen months after reporting his father missing, Jonathan
Roth admitted to helping his father fake his death. Jonathan
said he was coerced into participating in the scam, which

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prosecutors said his father crafted to get a substantial life
insurance payout. Jonathan pled guilty to conspiracy arising from the scam.
Next up, we have Esther Beadle. Esther Beadle left her
shared house at ten pm on Friday, January twenty ninth,
twenty sixteen and failed to return. Esther was a journalist

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for the Oxford Mail, and her disappearance was recounted in
a twenty twenty one article by Friendancisco Garcia in The Guardian.
According to Garcia, when Aster did not meet her friend
in London the next day, her loved ones became concerned.
A multitude of tweets were posted within hours, providing a
description of her and requesting any information about her last

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known whereabouts. The next day, while trying to remain hidden
in a travel lodge, as to realized how much attention
she was getting online, people talked about her on social media,
shared her personal information and proposed theories as to why
she left. Someone even tweeted about which tabloid would pay
the most for her story. Esther hoped for seclusion, but

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her phone was inundated with frantic messages and calls from relatives, strangers,
and even her ninth grade geography teacher. On Sunday, January
thirty one, Ester visited Saint Thomas Hospital near Westminster Bridge
and requested to see the mental health crisis team. According
to ast quote, I knew that I didn't want anybody

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to know where I was going I just knew I
wanted to be away, away from existence. I suppose I
booked a hotel on Expedia while I sat in my
living room chatting to my housemate, telling me everything was fine,
that I was going to be fine.

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End quote.

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After Esther's return, she was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder,
a mental health condition often associated with stigma and misunderstanding.
As from Now advocates for mandatory return interviews for people
who leave intentionally but come back home to help them
understand the pressures that led to their disappearance and hopefully
prevent similar situations in the future. According to astor Quote,

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what we need is the development of a safe, dedicated
space in which returned adults can explore what's happened to us,
come to terms with what we've done, and get support
and working out how we come safely back into society.
Return from missing should always be seen as an opportunity
to learn, to prevent, and above all, to help someone
reclaim their life. Next up, we have Patrick McDermott. In

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two thousand and five, Patrick McDermott, the former boyfriend of
the late singer and actress Olivia Newton John, went missing
during a fishing trip off the coast of California, and
was believed to have drowned. The ship's crew found Patrick's keys,
walllet and passport, and his car was parked nearby. Since
the crew failed to do a head count, no one

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noticed he was missing for another week when he failed
to attend a family event. Patrick previously filed for bankruptcy
and had been in a legal dispute over child support
payments with his ex wife. He was thought to have
been in significant debt when he disappeared. It's not at
all like him to disappear, said neighbor Kathleen Padden. On
July eleventh, Patrick's family learned some of his items were

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left behind at the twenty second Street Marina. Frank levers Edge,
who managed the marina, lee Patrick made it to shore
and intentionally left his belongings behind for unknown reasons. I
know he got to the top of that ramp. I've
been here for forty five years as a boat captain
of a vessel master. I have never lost a fisherman,
said lever's Edge. Despite an extensive search, Patrick's body was

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never found. One investigator proclaimed to have seen and spoken
with him in two thousand and nine, but the claim
was never confirmed. Another investigator alled to have proof he
was alive was on the verge of revealing it, but
never did. At least twenty sightings to Patrick in Mexico
and Central America have surfaced, but many have proven to

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be false. Many speculate he faked his own death because
he was in substantial debt and could not keep up
with the quote Hollywood Lifestyle end quote. Host of a
podcast entitled Pseudo Side the Disappearance of Patrick McDermott alleged
Patrick was lost at sea and did die on the
fishing trip. The host contacted ten previously quoted individuals saying

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they had seen Patrick around Sayulita. Still none of them
could confirm that they had seen him for themselves. Next up,
we have Natasha Ryan. Natasha was supposed to attend school
in Rockampton, Queensland, on August thirty first, nineteen ninety eight.
Her mother dropped her off that morning, but her name
was missing from the classroom attendant's list. Despite a thorough search,

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she was not found. Her parents told the authorities she
had a habit of running away from home, but they
felt it was quote different this time end quote. Even
her twenty one year old boyfriend Scott Black, claimed to
know nothing about her location. Over time, three other local
women had gone missing from Rockhampton. All signs pointed to

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Natasha being harmed on the way to school that morning.
Authorities also had a confession from Leonard Fraser, a man
who spent twenty of the preceding twenty two years in
prison for various crimes. Fraser admitted to Natasha's murder as
part of a police plea deal. However, on April eleventh,
two thousand and three, almost five years after Natasha's disappearance,

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the case took a puzzling turn. Frasier was on trial
when prosecutor Paul Rutliche announced Fraser was not guilty of
the murder of Natasha because she was very much alive.
Detectives found her hiding in a cupboard at her boyfriend
Scott Black's house the night before. Black had insisted numerous
times that he had not seen or heard from Natasha,

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but he had been hiding her all along in a
home just four kilometers away from her mother. Natasha told
investigators that when visitors were over, she would hide in cupboards,
but otherwise she would wander around the house like normal,
with the curtains clothed. She only left the house when
it was dark outside. Natasha was fined one thousand dollars
for causing a false police investigation. Scott Black was convicted

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of perjury and given a three year jail sentence, of
which he only served twelve months. He was also forced
to pay sixteen thousand dollars for costs related to the investortgation.
Natasha and Scott later married in two thousand and eight,
and now we have the case of Lance Herring. It's
not uncommon for individuals to run away from their obligations.

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In two thousand and six, US marine Lance Herring disappeared
while hiking in El Dorado Canyon, Colorado. Lance had recently
returned from Iraq and was expected to attend training at
Camp Pendleton for potential redeployment the following month. Unfortunately, Lance
never showed up and went into hiding. His friend, Steve Powers,

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assisted him in taking his disappearance. The search for Lance
consumed numerous hours and cost thousands of dollars. Steve Powers
initially claimed and received assistance after Lance suffered a head
entry from a fall. However, when law enforcement officials accompanied
Powers to the scene, Lance was nowhere to be found.
Powers eventually confessed to fabricating the disappearance, but not before

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an extensive search was conducted for the missing marine. Lance
was ultimately located in Washington State in two thousand and
eight and was charged with unauthorized absence. Lance confessed the
authorities that he had orchestrated his own disappearance to being
sent back to Iraq due to desertion. Lance was held
into Camp Pendleton brig for thirty three days. In two

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thousand and nine, he agreed to a plea bargain offered
a Boulder County that required him to complete eighteen months
of probation and continued receiving medical care for his head
injuries in Iraq, and finally we have John Darwin, the
canoe Man. Financial difficulties can be highly stressful for individuals
and may cause some to contemplate disappearing to escape their problems.

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In March of two thousand and two, John Darwin, a
teacher and prison officer in England, went kayaking as seat
in carew but failed to attend work. Later that day,
he was supported missing, but John was not found despite
an extensive search of the sixty two square miles coastline.
A double ended paddle was discovered in the sea the
following day, and his kayak wreckage was eventually located, leading

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authorities to presume he had perished. On December first, two
thousand and seven, five and a half years after being
believed to have drowned in a canoeing accident, John surprised
London's West End Central Police station by walking in and
announcing that he thought he was a missing person. However,
his deceit was uncovered when pictures of him posing for
a photo in Panama were discovered online. Before John's reappearance,

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a police investigation had already been initiated after a colleague
of his wife, Anne, raised suspicions about her claim on
her husband's life insurance policy and subsequent moved to Panama.
Why did John fake his death? The couple were allegedly
in a financial buying John considered all his options and
settled on faking his death to cash in on his

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life insurance policy. In an interview with the BBC in
twenty sixteen, and she knew John quote couldn't live with
the shame of bankruptcy end quote, but could not talk
him out of his final decision. As darkness fell on
March twenty second, John pushed his red kayak back towards
the shipping lanes and fled to the Cumbrian coast. Meanwhile,

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Anne helped set his plan in motion. John found inspiration
in the book The Day of the Jackal and searched
through the library's death records to find a new identity
for himself. He discovered John Jones, born in Sunderland the
same year as he was. Jones had died at just
five weeks old. A librarian John had befriended supported his

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passport application and provided a copy of John Jones's birth
certificate from Sunderland's records. Investigators discovered that John had been
using a fraudulent passport belonging to the deceased child, which
allowed him to travel without being questioned. The story of
the Canoe Man extends well beyond the crime and the
individuals held accountable, for some people are still struggling to

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recover from the aftermath of John's behavior years later. In closing,
let's look at the consequences of attempting to disappear. Trying
to disappear can have serious repercussions, not just for the
individual attempting it, but also for their loved one. Methods
such as making one's death or changing one's identity are

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illegal and could result in criminal charges. Those who go
missing may struggle to maintain relationships and become distant.

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From their family and friends.

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People who try to disappear may face severe physical and
mental consequences. This includes being exposed to the elements if
they are living off the grid, suffering from malnutrition or
health problems if they cannot get medical care, and being
at a higher risk of violence or exploitation if they
are homeless or in a vulnerable situation. Trying to disappear

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can also be very stressful and worse in existing mental
health problems, or even cause new to develop. Cases of
missing persons can be complex since some individuals initially thought
to be in danger may have intentionally disappeared. While urgent
help is usually required in most missing person cases, a

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few may have chosen to disappear independently for different reasons.
This can lead to confusion and concern, resulting in the
unnecessary use of able resources, research and rescue operations.

Speaker 1 (02:45:28):
All right want to thank Steve Stockton once again tell
us un told missing person mysteries. We do appreciate se
Stocking to being part of the show here, the after
hours radio show, and at least this story were people
that ended up coming back right that faith their disappearance.
But you know, a lot of the times these stories
don't go that way. As we talked with our guests

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earlier tonight, Rob Schowski, you know there's abductions that were
sixty I think he said sixty thousand people who disappear
to never come back per year in the United States.
So that's why we shot out Steve Stockton. And it's
definitely a good thing that he uh does this tells
and told missing person mysteries and speaks for those who

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cannot speak for themselves. So once again, appreciate you, Steve Stockton.
As we go ahead and get ready to jump into
some UFO and weird news, let's.

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Go, ladies and gentlemen, Can I please I have your attention.

Speaker 1 (02:46:33):
I've just been handed an emergency, a hoorifying news story.

Speaker 5 (02:46:40):
I at all of you stop.

Speaker 1 (02:46:43):
What you're doing, all right, all right? You infoing weird
news of the week. And we were talking earlier about
three I at Lias and there's a story out in
the news, where this has now intert with Project Bluebeam,
of all things. Project blue Beam explained as conspiracy resurfaces

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in wake of potentially hostile alien threat. And that's assuming
that three I at Lists has anything to do with
the alien technology. But the stories from Brenna Cooper and
here we go. The news that a potentially hostile alien
object could be heading towards Earth has reignited an online
conspiracy theory known as Project Blue Beam. But what exactly

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is it? In case you've missed it, A research paper
was recently published with suggested that comment three I at
lists could potentially be an intelligence gathering device sent by
an advanced alien civilization to monitor US. The research, conducted
by Ivy Lobe, Adam Hibberd, and Adam Crowe, argued that

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the comments trajectory has a zero point two percent of
being naturally occurring, which is certainly something to give pause.
Although Lobe ultimately concluded that three I Atlas is most
likely a completely natural interstellar object. The report has caused

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numerous conspiracy theories to resurface, and not all of them
actually involve little green men invading from the cosmos. According
to some members of the Ten Foil hat brigade. That's
what they call us sque The entire story about potentially
hostile alien spyware is completely fabricated and designed to cause panic.

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But why you ask, Well, that's where Project Blue Being
comes into play. What is Project blue Being? Project Blue
Beam is a theory created by the late Canadian journalist
Sergey Manast in the nineteen nineties. Manaste argued that global
leaders would work together to quote fabricate supernatural events in

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order to create a global totalitarian government. He also believed
such events would bring about the collapse of existing world religions.
Despite the idea of being three decades old, Manass passed
away in nineteen ninety six. Project Bluebeam floats to the
top of the Internet chatter every now and again, usually

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in the aftermath of alleged viral supernatural sightings. According to Newsweek,
the topic popped back up in December twenty twenty four
after multiple drones were cited over the state of Pennsylvania,
with prominent figures such as Roseanne bar posting about the topic. Unsurprisingly,

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the words quote potentially hostile and quote alien worked like
tender on the conspiracy theory bonfire, with believers in Manat
as theory, claiming this was the exact sign they'd been
warning about for years. In one post created by the
TikTok by a TikTok user, he urged his followers to

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ignore any advice given by governments in emergency situations, saying,
quote this is the beginning, and I urge you look
up Bluebeam end quote. Meanwhile, one person on next even
claimed the story was being used as a quote distraction
tactic by President Donald Trump. Quote Donald Trump would rather

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push Project Bluebeam than have the Epstein files released aliens
in November, my ass, they alleged. However, not everyone is
convinced by the argument, with many redditors dismissing the topic
when it was recently brought up on a paranormal subreddit.
It's also worth noting that NASA, who are supposed to

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be involved in the alleged Project Blue being fearmongering, has
been quick to quash any suggestion that any alien invasion
is imminent, saying the comment is natural and poses no
threat to planet Earth. And as we talked about with
our guests here tonight, we hope that that's the case.
We really do, because last thing we need is to

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you know, have to worry about fighting off an alien
force when we literally can't sit here on this planet
and get along with each other. Right, We're already fighting
this battle amongst each other. We definitely don't need an
alien battle to go on top of that. So yeah,
with that being said, awesome story, awesome perspective, thinking about

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Blue Beam and the false flag event that we know
Career has talked about for so long, and then this
giving them something to say, Look, it's coming. I told you,
told you it's coming. With that being said, we'd like
to thank our guests for coming in here tonight. Rob Selsky,
move On investigator, UFO researcher and also author of I

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want to say, eighty plus books, and we're gonna be
talking to him again soon because there's so many different
topics that he covers, from time travel to UFO's actually cryptids,
all of the sort. So we're gonna make sure that
we get him back here very soon. And then outside

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of that, we're gonna get ready to get about of here.
So I want to thank also everybody else out there
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