Aug. 19/25 - True Crime with Winnie Schrader - Spaced Out Radio

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We have an amazing show tonight. We're going down a
road we don't normally do, but I have a lot
of fun when we're there. True Crime Tonight, Winny Schrader,

(02:46):
true crime researcher and podcaster, is here with us to
break down some real eerie, weird, strange true crime stories.
Then in our number three Swamp Dweller, we'll kick things off.
Then will be joined by Robin Haynes for the cryptid
Q and A. So let's get right to it. I
love it when this guest joins us. Winnie Schrader is

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a writer and paranormal researcher who has a passion for
uncovering the stories hidden within the shadows of the unknown.
With her background in creative writing, Winnie brings a unique
voice to the paranormal world, blending a vivid storytelling with
deep research into hauntings, cryptids, and supernatural lore as well
as true crime yep. Her ability to capture the eeriessence

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of strange encounters or horrible encounters has made her a
compelling voice in the communities, where she connects the dots
between folklore, spiritual true crime, and why things are done.
It is absolutely terrifying when she goes into some of
these stories because she loves a good deep dive to

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find out truly what makes the worst in humanity possible.
Winnie Schrader, it is nice to have you back on
spaced out Radio, my friend, how are you?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm good? Thank you for having me on again.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Dave.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, you know you and your hubby Dave, you always
have free rate anytime you want to come on. You know,
we make it happen because we absolutely love you guys
around here. We really do.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Oh we love you too, and we love all the
sor fans. I mean, there's been a lot of crossover
and I know our fans and now are your fans
and vice versa. So we love it. We love coming
on here and just you know bs and then just
having talks about true crime, paranormal whatnot. So and I like,
I tell Dave, I'm like, I'm kind of like the

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prequel to your story because more than likely most paranormal
haunted locations the true crime happens. So I so I'm
kind of like the pre researcher. And then he does
the post life stuff. So but yeah, it's just, uh yeah,
we have fun kind of doing our thing. He does

(05:01):
more paranormal stuff, but I like to incorporate some of
the paranormal stuff into my true crime as well. I
call those my true crime stories with a paranormal twist.
So but yeah, it's just I've always just been fascinated
with true crime I love puzzles. I love where evidence
can take you, the roads that can lead you down.

(05:24):
And you know, it's always been a passion of mine.
And you know, Dave just finally said, why don't you
just finally do your true crime podcast? I said, all right,
so I started mysteries mayhem m r.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Well, well, the funny part about it is, as somebody
in our in our chat room, I'm hardcore over on
X just stated, many paranormal locations have a true crime background.
So there is a real overlap between what your husband
Dave does and what you do mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
And what's even cool. I mean like when he did
the Holeser Files on Travel Channel and even Ghosts of
Devil Perch when he did those shows. A lot of times,
the account, the official account that's on paper of what happened,
the look, you know, if it was a crime, a murder, whatnot.
Sometimes what they get on the paranormal side is a

(06:17):
completely different story and then they start uncovering more so
it's like cold cases with paranormal in it. And I
think it's fascinating that there are a lot of paranormal
stories that involve ghosts, but also in real life the
crime I mean the Greenbrier ghost. I mean the guy

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literally was convicted of murder based on a ghost testimony
in court. So it's like but obviously it has to
hold some type of water for a jury to believe.
The mother who was having visitation dreams from her daughter
who was murdered by her husband, and he said it

(07:02):
was a horrible accident, but she kept coming to her
mom and dreams saying no, he's the one who killed me.
He's the one who killed me. Well, they exhumed her
body and found out she was strangled to death. That
wasn't natural causes.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
My goodness, that is creepy. That is just insult I've
heard stories like that before, you know, in India. I
don't know if you ever heard this story, because Indian
people really believe strongly and their cultural belief of reincarnation.
And there is one famous story out of India where

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an eight year old boy started telling about his previous
life and how he was murdered, and he actually pointed
out who his murderer was, and the man who did
the killing got so freaked out he actually went to
police and gave himself up because he was so afraid

(08:01):
that this was going to haunt him the rest of
his life with other people coming back from the grave, right, I.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Mean, any normal person would be like, no, the kid's crazy,
he's talking crazy. Don't believe what he's saying. I don't
know this kid, you know. I mean, but they really
took it for the kid's word, because you know, that's
part of their culture. You know, maybe if we start
making it more part of all our culture, well maybe

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it'll be a little bit more. You'd see it more
often in the court cases. I mean, police officers during investigations,
they do use psychic mediums to help them locate bodies
or missing people. But everything is still so on the
down low and hush hush, and you know, they don't
want the whole you know, they don't want it public

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out there because everybody still has this misconception of the
paranormal that were a bunch of kooky weirdos that believe
and stuff that isn't really there. Well, some of it has.
It has to have something to it, because, like I said,
you wouldn't find somebody guilty of murder, or a guy

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wouldn't confess to a murderer just because a little boy
said that he was reincarnated, and that's the man who
killed me when I was an adult, you know. So
it's it's I find it fascinating, it's cool, and I
find it. I love how those two intersect, and I
love it when it's in the public eye and people
just can't grasp it.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Why fall in love with true crime? I think if
I say this, I think we all have an interest
in it. We all, you know, at one time or another,
have watched a documentary on you know, whether it's The
Green River Killer or whether it's Aaron Hernandez, or whether
it's you know, Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer or somebody

(09:54):
of the so many of these sick, psychopathic people. But
why do you think we fall in love with such
macabre topics.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, it's you know, it's like rubbernecking. I mean, it's
like everybody, it's a train wreck. Everybody's gonna look. People
want that even though they don't want to see it,
they want to see it. You know, they can't help themselves.
It's just it's our innate need to just know. Now,
when it comes to like the gore and stuff of

(10:26):
true crime, that's not really why I like it. I'm
more of I'm thinking of the aspects of why why
did they do what they did? What was what in
their past caused them to snap and start killing? Because
you could have two of the same people that live

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the same exact lives, and one could be a doctor
and the other one could be a serial killer. So
what caused that one person? What was the one event
that caused that switch to flip them to now they're
this monster and they can't turn it off. Those are
the kind of things that intrigue me. One thing I

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really love about true crime is just the aspect from
the crime to the verdict, the whole uh systematic thing
when it comes to any type of case, whether it's
you know, a kidnapping, murder, serial killers, just the steps
and all the stuff that goes into a true crime case,

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especially if they get caught and they go to trial.
You know, we none of us really got a really
good glimpse of a courtroom until the oj Simpson case.
I mean, we had court TV, you know, but there
was like Judge Wapner, the People's Court, but we're watching
people sue, you know, it's like small claims court. But

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to really see a trial, a murder trial, was the
OJ Simpson and everybody was glued daily to their TVs
watching this thing because it was so fascinating to watch.
And I think people are just intrigued by those things
that you know, it's almost like it's kind of like

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that thrill they're watching watching the roller coaster go down
that hill. Oh, it looks exciting, but I don't know
if I can. You know, it's that kind of do
the thing you toggle back and forth with. But you know,
it's just I look at it more of a scientific
and analytical way. I always like to find out what's

(12:34):
going on in their heads and why are they doing
what they do. That's more my forte. But I know
a lot of people they just they love They just
love it for entertainment, which I find kind of weird
if they look at it for more entertainment. But what
I find entertaining, and that's the reason why I wanted

(12:55):
to get on tonight with you, was the guy over
my other shoulders are and backwards of over my shoulders Dexter.
I am a huge, huge, huge Dexter fan. I watched
the full original run of it, and then they came
out with Dexter New Blood. Watch that then I watched

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Original Sin and now Dexter Resurrection is on, and I'm
Dave and I have been watching it. We're just, oh,
we can't wait for the next episode. But the reason
why I picked Dexter was because, you know, a lot
of the serial killers in the series itself were based

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off of real serial killers. Even Dexter himself was based
off of a real serial killer. So it's like kind
of going down that road. And then I'm like, you know,
I wonder, I wonder if there's any copycats of Dexter,
And sure enough, there was quite a few that I

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pulled up. I'm like, are you kidding me? Because I
look at Dexter as the entertainment that it is. It's entertainment,
it's a TV show. It's not real. But us, being
the humans that we are, not, everybody can decipher between reality,
reality and fantasy, right, So there are there have been

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copycats or ones that have kind of owed there their
need to kill to Dexter. And but the weird thing
is is none of them, none of them, I mean,
Dexter would have put him them on his table for
doing the wrong thing because they didn't have a code.

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In the series, Dexter has a code, and his code
is that he kills other serial killers. He is a
vigilante serial killer. These people just picked random menacent people,
So they're nothing like Dexter as much as they say
they are, they're nothing like them. So, but yeah, I

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was kind of shocked by some of the ones I
came across.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
As you have studied this subject, you have to go deep,
deep in order to try and figure out the psyche
of a lot of these different type of people, whether
they're copycats, whether they had abusive childhoods, whether they are
just some sort of human abnormality. What have you learned

(15:26):
about studying many of these people who commit heinous crime?

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, usually about I would say ninety four percent of
most violent criminals have some sort of abuse or trauma
in their childhood or something like that in their life.
You know, it could have been anywhere from living in
severe poverty and crime to drugs, I mean a child abuse, sexual, physical,

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you name it. And like I said, that's been kind
of a common factor now a lot of them. I
have done a few episodes well where a lot of
these kids who end up violent criminals were in the
foster care system at one point or another. So it's

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almost like you kind of see it's like the systematic
issue that we're having, where like I said, like a
good about I would say about sixty five percent of
kids that go through the foster care system end up
in prison at some point in their life. And that's
a pretty staggering number. And you know, so it's like,
are we breeding are we making these violent criminals? Because

(16:43):
there's no reason why a sixteen year old kid who
is homeless on the streets, and like if they get
caught up in a crime, and you know, not to
say I would condone this behavior, but let's say they
kill somebody. It's like, do they belong in prison for
the rest of their lives or we reform them and
get them back into society as functioning people as they

(17:04):
should have been in the first place.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
So those are the kind of things that I kind
of look at as in a whole when I'm looking
at cases like these, you know, what were these people's backgrounds?
Did they have a trauma in their adulthood? I mean
that can happen too. Women have been sexually assaulted, men
get sexually assaulted, things like that that can be some

(17:29):
form of a trauma that can trigger something in somebody.
But yeah, I would say a common one is some
type of abuse or neglect of some sort.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, it really is troublesome. I mean how a lot
of these people turn out. Do you think that for
most serial killers that they want this, they want to
be like this?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
No, I think a lot of them don't know why
they feel the way they do. They don't feel they
don't understand they why they feel the way they do,
and that's why they kill because when when uh, sociopaths
and psychopaths that they have, they do lack empathy. They
can't they can't empathize with somebody else's feelings. So they

(18:16):
could do something that upsets you and they don't understand
why it's upsetting you, and then why their behavior is
causing you to be in distress, and that you don't
think you should stop because it doesn't make sense to you,
like why they just they can't grasp it. So that's
very common. So when you take that and you meld

(18:36):
it in with I don't know, it's I don't know
if it's like, is it the trauma that causes it,
I don't know. It. Some people are born with it.
But it's just that lack of empathy and the randomness
that they can just pick victims and not have any remorse.

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That's what's really scary, is the lack of remorse they
have because I know, if I had to take somebody
else's life, it's for good reason. I'm protecting me or
my family, you know, but I'm still gonna feel bad
about it. That's not my goal. But you know, when
you have somebody that doesn't have that that, you know,

(19:20):
that empathy or you know, just feeling remorse, even though
it was the right thing to do or what you
had to do, you're still gonna feel bad. But not
having that that's really scary. And when you have lots
of people walking around like that, and I feel like
there are a lot more sociopaths kind of getting being
created today just by social media alone. It's like nobody

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has any care for anybody's feelings whatsoever. But imagine if
all of those people on social media literally took action
to it. How they talk to each other on social media,
that's how they do, and they don't. They just they
close off and they just that one moment that want

(20:04):
whatever it is, if their motive of killing is it's
that split second they feel finally they feel something, they
feel a jolt, and then it's gone. So that's why
they do what they do because for so they feel
something for a brief moment.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
So much like an addict on say heroin or fentanyl,
the murdering becomes the drug.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yes, the feeling of it that you fork feeling that
high and you're always chasing your first high when you're
an addict, right, Well, it's the same thing with killers,
and that's why they keep doing it because they'll try
and most of them will cool off. They have cooling
off periods, and then when that when that urge starts

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building and building and building. Eventually they have to release it.
And that's why you always see serial killers. You always
find like you'll find a you know, a victim here
and then a week later another victim, or it could
be a victim here in two years later, another victim.
It just kind of depends on the guy on the

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serial killer's need to you know, satisfy that need, that
urge that they have.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
In the nineteen seventies, this is statistic. I just looked up.
There were nearly three hundred known active serial killers in
the United States. By the twenty tens, they estimated that
that number had dropped to fewer than fifty and now

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with the advot of social media and everything, they are
not sure how many there are today.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, and that's sad because it's like, and I don't
know what it was about the sixties, seventies and eighties,
but that was like a thirty year span of just
serial killer after serial killer. That's when you had the
Ted Bundy's, the John Wayne Gacy's, the Jeffrey Dahmers, the

(22:21):
Richard Ramirez, Dennis Raider, the BTK killer. I mean, I
don't know what it was about those eras that created
such monsters. That's one thing I have still have yet
to figure out. You're even come close to even trying

(22:43):
to figure out, because I just I don't understand what
was different about the thirties and forties and fifties from
the sixties, seventies and eighties at serial killers, which there
were some back then. Maybe it was because back then
they didn't have enough in hell to connect crimes. Maybe
I don't know. That would be a theory that has

(23:05):
been bandied about is saying like maybe you know, a
woman got strangled and killed up in Toledo and in Cincinnati.
The same type of woman, looks the same same way
of being killed and everything, but they're not putting the
two together. So that could very well be why there's

(23:25):
not as many known prior to those the like sixties
and seventies eras. But yeah, I with social media, it's
hard to say because it's like, you know, is it
because maybe it's just to the point where there's nothing
that's grandiouse that's making it stick out now. The only

(23:48):
one that I that has come up in recent cases
that what I would put in any type of category
of a serial killer would be Brian Kohlberger, who is
the one that murdered the four Idaho college students.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, yeah, I thought, because I know we're going to
get into a lot of that. Yeah, and more stories tonight.
Winnie Schrader is here True Crime, a little bit of wine,
a little bit of chatter. She's got a great podcast.
We'll get her to tell you about it when we
return on Spaced Out Radio True Crime Night. We don't

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do it often, but when we do. I love this
topic and I know many of you love it too.
We'll be right back on spaced out radio. All right,

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we are clear, all right, good start.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Oh thank you, thank you. Yeah, I've I was looking
at like some of these serial killers. I still cannot
figure out why those eras that's like was was it
was it the what did they put the fluoride in
the water? Maybe that didn't I don't know, but it

(25:21):
was just like every alsodden. Everyone was a serial killer,
you know, and don't don't pick up hitch hikers, don't
do this, don't do that. Stranger danger. I mean, I
remember when I was a kid, they told you not
to go near vans. Yeah, somebody was going to kidnap you.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
In Vancouver we had when I was a kid, we
had a serial killer, child killer named Clifford Olson who
was driving around what we call the Lower Mainland a
British Columbia. He ended up killing fourteen children before he
was caught.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
It's sad, yeah, And it was all about.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Be careful if you see a certain color van, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, yeah, I know. It was always the van and
or never if a stranger comes up to you and
wants you to find their puppies or tries to give
you candy, nope, nope, nope, it's just like, yep, stranger
danger and then you know, well with Adam Walsh, Yeah,
you know, then he had Code Adam and god, I

(26:36):
he literally would that whole thing happened a month before
I was born. Wow, it's so sad.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
I know.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I'd love to get John Walsh on my show. He's awesome.
I don't think it was hoddest Tool that did it.
I think it was Jeffrey Dahmer.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
You think so, hmm.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I probably if I had, if I had one hundred
thousand dollars to put doma, I'd bet all one hundred thousand.
So that's how gut feeling, how strong I feel about it,
and some of the evidence, as little as evidence there is,
it's enough to say, Yep, it was probably him.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
That's horrible, horrible, man, I know.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
He was.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
See that's another one like dahm Er. He could have
like if he would have got the proper therapy. I
think if he would have when he was a kid,
I don't think we would have had what we had
with him. I think he was messed up in the
head to be at birth because his mom took so
many psychotropic drugs while she's praying with him. Because she

(27:51):
was like on these lithium and all this stuff that
she was manic, and I just I don't think he
just knew how to be and he had just had
this weird beat. I don't know. I think if he
would have got proper, proper therapy and treatments, I think

(28:11):
he wouldn't have been he wouldn't have done what he did.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, because probably intends and purposes, he was a pretty
like I watched that entire that tire documentary series on him,
and he seemed like he was a pretty smart guy,
but just outcasted himself because of just you know, watching
abuse happen around him.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right, and he also growing up in the sixties and
seventies gay, being a gay man, Yeah, you know, having
to hide that part of yourself on top of you know,
dealing with abusive trauma. And I'm pretty sure he was
probably like on the spectrum a bit because he just

(28:58):
like seems socially awkward, like I just didn't know how
to interact with people properly. And what I mean is
just like just like like when he was in school,
he had friends, but his friends thought he was still weird,
Like he just he'd do weird goofy stuff, and it
was like he was just trying to fit in all

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the time, and it just came off awkward and weird.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
We have about less than a minute right here.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Well, that is exactly right Gacy as well with his sexuality,
and that was a huge thing with a lot of
male serial killers during those eras. A lot of it
had to do with homosexuality and be gay men and
having to be so closeted and closed off because of
how society treated them if they were openly gay. Sad,

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but true, very.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
True, that is very true. We have twenty seconds just
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Every podcast network has this show. It's called Mysteries, Mayhem
and Merlow, so you can learn some true crime well
sipping on your favorite bottle of wine. And the host
of it is Winnie Schrader, who is our guest tonight.
Thank you so much for being here, Winnie.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Well, thank you for having me. Dave, I always enjoy
being here with you and all the sor fans. So
you guys are always a good punch.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Appreciate that. Thank you. You were going to talk about
this case that has intrigued to you coming out of Idaho.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, well, you know the Dexter fan that I am,
I always try and look, I'm like, okay, this guy
seems a little off, so I kind of try and
dexter him and start researching him. That's what Dexter always
do with his his targets. He would do vast research

(32:16):
and vet them out to make sure they deserve to
be on his table. And so it just kind of
got me looking into him more. And that's Brian Kohlberger,
the guy in Idaho who murdered four college students there
in their home in the middle of the night or
early hours of the morning. And then I started looking

(32:40):
into it. I'm like, wait a minute, this is like
the season. This is like the plot to season eight
of Dexter. I was like, what, so, okay, let me
play it out for you now. In season eight of Deshter,
I'm not going to give anything away. I'm just gonna
kind of the key of what the whole season eight

(33:02):
is about is where Dexter, his father taught him this
code that the people that he puts on his table
deserve to be on that table. They have done something
bad and they keep slipping through the cracks and not
serving justice. So Dexter takes justice in his own hands, right,
So I was like, okay, Well, in season eight, he

(33:26):
encounters this this forensic psychologist named Evelyn Vogel. Doctor Evelyn
Vogel is the doctor who taught Dexter his father, the
code to teach Dexter. She's the one that came up
with it because he knew Dexter was going to be
who he was going to be, so he gave him
a code and trained him to say, when you feel

(33:49):
the urge to kill, make sure it's for good. And
so she encoun she gets back into Dexter's life. Now,
he never met this doctor Evelyn Vogel, but she's like,
I knew your father. So Dexter's learning a lot from her. Well,
and Brian Kolberger's case, he was a criminology student, That's

(34:10):
what he had. He's trying to get a PhD in
criminology of some story. I'm not exactly sure what his
specialty was, but he also stuttered studied under the tutelage
of doctor Kathlyn Ramslin, who is a forensic psychologist just
like doctor Evelyn Vogel was in season eight of Dexter,

(34:31):
and he would and she would teach a forensic psychology
of serial killers. She is kind of the serial killer
whisper Whisper she talks to serial killers. What got her
down this train?

Speaker 6 (34:48):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (34:48):
She the very first uh criminal she reached out was
a serial killer, and she befriended him, you know, and
she'd communicate because she wanted to understand why he did
what he did. And it was basically it was a
boy who was kind of a protege. I mean, he

(35:11):
worked under a serial killer, so it was almost like
he was grooming him to become a serial killer. And
that's how she befriended him because she's like, I need
to know why this kid thought he should help this
other guy kill. He would curate boys for this man
to kill. I mean, it was awful, and so I'm

(35:33):
just like, okay. And then I found out that Brian
Koberger was he was going to prisons and asking violent
criminals and killers why they chose the victims that they
did and how did it make them feel before, during,

(35:55):
and after? And okay, on it's a criminology student. But
when you put everything in hole, Bryan Colberger was socially
awkward every time he was around women.

Speaker 7 (36:14):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
He was very inappropriate with women. And I don't mean
like you know, grabby grabby, He just he didn't know boundaries,
Like he would be standing in aligned with somebody and
he would go around and sniff a woman's hair that
was standing in front of him. And then if you
were to say, hey, don't do that, he'd be like
why not, Like, well, I don't want you sniff at me, dude,

(36:39):
you know, get off me. But it's just like he
just had nothing grasp him. And I think I think
what he was doing is he was trying to kind
of create his own moniker as a serial killer. Every
serial killer has one or you know, leaves you know,

(37:04):
something behind, like a mark or you know, he had
the smiley face killer or a happy face killer, leave
a happy face sign on his letters. Zodiac. I mean
he would sign his letters with the Zodiac Jack the
Ripper sometimes, you know, Zodiac also left the Zodiac symbol
at the locations of the crimes. So it's something like that.

(37:27):
So I'm like, Okay, is he trying to create his
persona as a serial killer? Okay, well then why because
the one thing that everybody wanted to know about this
whole Idaho case was why that house? Why did he
pick that house? Was it the people inside? It could

(37:50):
very well been. He wasn't going. I don't think they
were going to the same college, but he just lived
like ten minutes in a next town over, so they
very well could interacted or came across each other across paths.
There was a restaurant, a local restaurant that two of
the girls in the home did work at. That was
a vegan restaurant, and he was a vegan, so that

(38:13):
could have very well been But I'm like, okay that.
But then I'm like, okay, well, there was six people
in the house. He only killed four of them, and
he knew the other two were in the house. It
wasn't that he didn't know the no they were in
the house, because he one he walked right past one
of them, made eye contact with her. She had no

(38:35):
clue who this guy was. She was the one that
stood the bushy eyebrows, you know, because he was wearing
like a balalaklava mask, so all he could see were
like his eyes and his eyebrows, and that he was
tall and an athletic, and the bushy eyebrows that was her. Okay,
Well that, I'm like, okay, Well that doesn't make sense either.
So why would he leave survivors? Well, you know, more likely,

(38:58):
maybe he wanted somebody to tell his tale. And then
I was looking at the house address, which is one
one two two Kings Road. Now it happened November thirteenth
of twenty twenty two, So you have one one two two.
Do you pick the house because of the house number
and the year, the month and the year? Maybe okay,

(39:23):
well thirteen, Well one plus three is four. There were
four victims, so you have This is where my brain goes, Dave.
So I'm like, okay, so you have and then if
you were to add one and one from the eleven,
you'd get two. So two plus four or six six
people in the house, you have four victims. So I

(39:45):
don't know if that was something he was trying to
go off of trying to start establishing, you know, And
I think I think he's kind of I think he
kind of feels ashamed he got caught on his first
shot because part of his plea deal, because this was
said to go to trial, because he originally pleaded not guilty,

(40:09):
but he pleaded guilty, and he pleaded guilty to all
four counts of murder. But part of his plea deal
is that he will never have to reveal the reason
why he chose that house. In those victims, he never
has to reveal it, which has kind of torn the

(40:30):
families into kind of divided the families because some of
the families are you know, I don't want to deal
with a long a trial. I don't want to have
to keep reliving the horrific murder of my child. I
can't deal with it. But some of them wanted to know.
They felt like they had the right to know why

(40:52):
their child And you know, I think as a parent,
I would want to know why. But you know, that's
why I'm trying, you know, and that might be why
my mom brain was kicking, and I'm trying to make
sense of why these kids were murdered too, because they
were so young and so full of life, and they
had no reason to be the murder. He had nothing

(41:17):
to do with these kids, and to say that he
didn't do it at first is just a joke. And
I think he's ashamed he got caught, and that's why
he's not giving up his motive because he doesn't want
to say he was trying to become a serial killer
and got caught on his first shot. Because I guess

(41:37):
in those kind of circles of people that might be
constired as being, you know, kind of idiotic. I don't know.
I don't know if there's some weird serial killer club
that they all have to rate their stuff. But you
know what I mean, Like, I feel like there was
something more to him, and I'm glad that he did
get caught thanks to the forensic people really doing their

(42:02):
due diligence, especially checking cameras, because they had this joker
driving back and forth in front of this house weeks
before he murdered these people. So he's surveillancing the place
and in the one night, the one night he decided
to turn off his phone because he didn't want to
be traced, was the night of the murder, but he

(42:25):
didn't turn his phone off the three weeks prior. Every
night he drove by, so on his phone record just
shows them driving by almost every night by their house,
casing out the joint. He wasn't that smart. He thought
he was, but obviously he needed more schooling than the
criminology department.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
We have heard this though before that you know a
lot of university students, they just seem to snap and
break and do things that they shouldn't and they feel
they have to take their fellow students down with them.
Considering the fact that this case a couple of years
old now but still at the helm of many people

(43:04):
in Idaho's minds, was there any reason why afterwards he
gave it intention as to why he did it.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Nope, he he has been so stoic. I mean, he
just sat there and he says, you know, as he
was pleading guilty to each charge. I mean, just the
lack of remorse and is in his voice. I mean,
he's just like a robot. There's nothing there. He's dead

(43:37):
behind the eyes, you know. And that's why I think
people like that. They they do kill, and it's not
necessarily not necessarily killing, it's the thrill that they get
from it.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I'm sure if a piece of chocolate gave him the
same exact thing, I'm sure a lot of them would
choose that, you you know, eat chocolate. But sometimes it's
just not enough for these people. And that's why, you know,
it's always good to like, if you know somebody in
your family, in your family that has dealt with severe

(44:15):
trauma or whatever, always, you know, do your studying up
and just say, you know, what are some signs of
sociopathic behaviors and young children. So that way, if you
do see those signs at an early age, you can
catch it and treat it so it doesn't grow into
the monster that if it can, you know, can become.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, I mean that's just troubling. I mean, see a
case like his. You know, I know a lot of
people when it comes to serial killers or mass murderers,
we immediately think we got to put them through the
death penalty. And in Canada here we do not have
a death penalty, you know, even though I think for
some cases, whether it was Clifford Olson or or the

(45:01):
pig farmer in Vancouver, or Paul Bernardo or somebody along
those lines, I think the death penalty should have been
put back on the table. But I mean that's a
different debate for a different night, without getting political on it.
But I think a lot of these people who have
been you know, sent for execution, I think that they

(45:23):
have in a way. I think their minds would have
been way more interesting to study rather than leaving them
locked up, you know. I mean, you can only cure
something if you know what the cause and the effect are,
and with these minds, if you immediately put stick them
on death row and then you know, let them rot

(45:46):
until their execution date. There is a lot on the
table that maybe could save some lives in the future,
or maybe even help eliminate I don't think you'll ever
eliminate all, but eliminate a lot of these cases because
they can think like the criminal, you know, And I

(46:06):
learned that a little bit from watching I've been watching
this show the last couple of months called The Blacklist,
and it was a ten year series with James Spader
where he plays the most wanted man on the FBI's
list and gives him a bunch of cases called the Blacklist,
and just the way he thinks as a criminal rather

(46:27):
than as a prosecutor or as somebody of the law.
It was. It's a very interesting way of playing a
role reversal, and I wonder how much that is done
because we don't actually get to see a lot of
that behind the scenes commentary from many of these investigators
or psychologists.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Well, if you a really good series to watch to
go over exactly what you're asking is Mindhunter, which was
based off of the book by John Douglas, who was
one of the first FBI profilers back in the sixties
and up into the late sixties, seventies, and maybe even

(47:10):
into the eighties. They're the ones that went around the
country and were interviewing serial killers and trying to understand
them so they can build it. That's where we got
profiling from profiling killers, all types of killers, profiling sexual
assault perpetrators, all that kind of stuff. And so they

(47:38):
one of their favorite favorite guys to study was Ed Kemper.
And if you don't know who Ed Kemper is, this
man was so sadistic and evil when it came to
killing that he decapitated his own mother and I believe

(47:58):
his aunt or grandmother, and he decided to have relations
with the neck area, but he did it to humiliate
her because she was so abuse abusive to him as
a child. Now, Ed Kemper was known as the co
ed killer. If you've heard of that, that's Ed Kemper.

(48:18):
So what he was doing is that he would murder
young co ed's college girls on campus, and it was
almost like every time he was doing he was killing
his mother. And finally, when he killed his mother, he
was done and he this is his attitude and I

(48:39):
love it's weird. Because Ed Kemper, if you could look
up a picture of him, this man was over seven
feet tall and about three maybe pushing four hundred pounds.
This guy was not small. So if you could imagine,
there were women police or prison guards around him that

(49:02):
he befriended, and they loved him because he was a
likable guy. And he would sit down with John Douglas
and these FBI profilers and tell them about his crimes
and how he felt, why he did what he did,
and things like that, and he would even laugh about
me jokes, and he even said that he hated blood

(49:26):
because it was so messy and a pain in the
butt to deal with. I was just like, oh, okay,
sorry that they ruined your carpet, you know what I mean.
But it's just like that was kind of his attitude.
But he was actually really intrigued why they wanted to
know about him, so he was willing to spill everything.

(49:48):
And they got a lot of information from Ed Kemper.
And there was another big serial killer that they work
with and I can't remember the name off the top
of my head for some reason, but yeah, they did
they that's what they did. That's they went around the
country and they started creating this uh I guess program

(50:11):
and you know, like kind of a textbook on how
to profile violent criminals from all walks of crimes, from
sexual assault on the murders, serial killers, uh probably pedophilia
and all that kind of stuff. So that kind of
like work that they did then has really helped us

(50:34):
understand And maybe that's why we don't have so many
serial killers today as well, is because maybe we're catching
them a little earlier than normal and not letting them
do this thirty year span of killing. They're getting caught
at a younger age because maybe they got caught stealing
a car or something. Who knows, but maybe we're catching

(50:57):
them before they you know, get get that final tip
over the edge, and then once they're downhill, there's no
going back. They're just gonna do what they do until
they're caught or dead.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Do you think they want to get caught.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
No, I don't think they want to get caught, But
I every serial killer is very has an ego. They're narcissists.
They love to they love to taunt and toy with
the police, the media. I mean, you saw Zodiac do it.
You saw a smiley faced killer do it. I mean,

(51:35):
they do it all the time, and they love it.
They love that kind of cloak and dagger where they're
hiding in plain sight. But they send you know, so
it could be your neighbor sending these letters to the
San Francisco Chronicle with the zodiac sign on it. You
don't know. So it's like you it's almost like you

(51:57):
start looking at each other like could it be you?
Could you know, you're looking at everybody's face and just
like trying to, you know, really try and make sense
of it all and put a face to a crime
and get somebody caught so everybody can have that sense
of safety again, because you know, you heard back in
the day when serial killers were in, you know, running amock,

(52:19):
everybody was locking their doors. You know, you always hear, oh,
we used to keep our doors unlocked, and I know
we don't dare do it when we keep lights on
so people think we're home. And it's crazy how some
of the hype of serial killers and stuff kind of
gave this boogeyman mentality to people and now it's like

(52:42):
we're scared of the boogeyman. But you know, I luckily
it's not as prevalent as it was at least that
we're aware of than it was. But I don't know.
I just what's scary though, is a lot of these
dexter copycat criminals, uh were teenagers. That's that's what's scary

(53:05):
to me. And you know, that could be a whole
other topic about you know, teenage mental health and maybe
you shouldnt let your teenagers watch that kind of show.
It's just throwing it out there.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Well, I know you got to realize though, I think,
and I'm going to sound ancient and antiquated here, but
I think with social media, with video games where and
even children's television where you know, there is no consequence
for kids, the adults are the dummies, you know. I
remember watching my daughters watch a lot of Disney shows

(53:42):
and it was like the minute you became an adult,
you were stupid, and the kids had all the answers
and and could figure things out better than adults. And
I think because there's not a lot of consequence, and
they don't know consequence very much anymore, that these kids
don't think that there is, that there is punishment that
goes along with it.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
And I know I feel her creating a bunch of
little bunch of little sociopaths. You know, I have no
empathy like whatever. It's like. No, when you kill somebody,
they don't come back like they do in the video game.
That's not how it works.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Well, like I said, I might be sounding antiquated there,
but and I'm not blaming video games whatsoever. I think
it comes down to parents. It really does come down
to parents, not the video games. Judas Priest or Iron
Maiden or Ozzy Osbourne never killed anybody with their music. Okay,
I mean like we suffered through in the eighties with

(54:41):
all those accusations. But we're gonna get to more true crime.
Winnie Schrader is here from her podcast Mysteries, Mayhem and Meurlow.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
This is Fased Out Radio with Hopes Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
All right, Dirty Filth, We're gonna turn things over to
you for a couple of minutes.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Here.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Well, Winnie and I enjoy the five minute break, and
hello Dirty.

Speaker 5 (55:19):
Hi Dave, Hi, WEENI, Hi everybody else, if everyone's having
a good night. Speaking of excuse me, speaking of serial
killers in junk I never really got into the big
serial killer thing when it was popular. I read a
lot about that stuff years ago. Yeah, I guess one

(55:40):
of the most interesting serial killers I ever read about
was a guy named Carl Panzram. I think Carl was
born and I don't know, eighteen seventy something. On second here,
eighteen ninety one he was born and I was serial

(56:02):
killer arsonist Robert everything under the sun. He grew up
in a terrible, terrible household, is beaten by his parents,
I remember correctly. Nonetheless, I think he even at one
point he even though I think he had robbed one
of the future presidents if I remember correctly, utheless though,

(56:24):
I always thought he was an interesting guy because he
just he just had an absolute hatred for human beings themselves.
And I remember something I think something to the effect
of his There was a journalist that ended up talking
with him and everything and Hello, Doug Shelby, and he

(56:48):
he mentioned something to the along the lines of he
wished that the human race had one neck and he
could have his hands around their throat. The guy just
absolutely hated humans. Yeah, Carl Panzerum everyone to look up
a crazy, crazy guy who's he's I guess he was
relatively smart and what not to like. I guess a
lot of the serial killers aren't just complete lunatics aside

(57:11):
from you know what they do. But it's Carl Panzram.
He was a hobo at one point. He just traveled
to rails and he was abused by other hoboes and everything.
I think at one point he stole a boat, went
to Africa, found a guide, killed the guy, chopped him up,
and fed him to alligators. I remember correctly, Yes, So

(57:35):
I don't know. Nobody ever talks about that guy. It's
always it's always the pocket your dudes.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
So I think it.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
I think this is going to be the this is
going to be the Gargoyle Spare cartoon here. Yeah, there's
a movie. If I remember correctly about Carl Panzram. He
spent time in lavin Worth and all so my water here,
spent time in Lavenworth and on the.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
Rock, and he I think he.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Was he conversed with the Birdman of Alcatraz or something
of that effect. I can't quitely remember. It's been a
while since I looked into all this stuff. It was
interesting anyways, So it's a good read. There was a
fairly certain there was a movie, and there's also another
movie called Henry Portrait of a serial Killer. So hello, Kira, Hey, Bob,

(58:32):
look at these hands. Bob, look at them. Remember, Bob,
if I die before you, I will have these hands
severed and pickled and mailed to you. Maybe I'll get
them in a thumbs up position, if possible. I'm pretty
sure they can do that. Cats space.

Speaker 6 (58:49):
He is.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
The gargoyles a little bit. He's a little more reserved
than the gremlin. Little gremlin story for everybody today. He
somehow I think it's the grimlin. I'm fairly certain it
was a griman, but he somehow managed to peel all
over the inside of it. We get this little like
container thing with Kat's got it. Anyways, it's not important.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Pete all over and.

Speaker 5 (59:13):
It was an absolute mess. And so I bailed out
the last second and led missus Phil do with Himpe's
having a good night. It's always nice when Dave brings
on weeding. Also, Dave, we'll have to get Dave on again.
It's been on for a little while. Dirty Phils makes

(59:33):
paint brushes from his hair. You know, maybe my arm hair.
I wouldn't sacrifice my chest hair for that kind of stuff.
That's quality, well, I guess it'd be quality brushes. A
little bit of blue one here because the space frog
suits are kind of a teal color. But these don't
really work out well on regular paper because I'm so

(59:54):
sloppy with the with the brushes. Anyways, Dave, Yes, dirt
day's two o'clock Saturday is two o'clock PM. Yeah, specific
come watch me drug cartoons if you're not in the force.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I think it's a good idea me too.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Have a good night, everybody.

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And who else has joined us here? Polly Roderman, Nice

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to see you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Mm hmm.

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(01:02:31):
Mayhem and Meurlow telling about the latest true crime stories
that enlighten and intrigue her audience each and every time. Winnie,
thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Oh, thank you for having me on. I was having
fun during the break. They're like, what's the most prolific
serial killer that's never been caught. I would have to
say Jack the Ripper because of the whole allure behind
it all. He only killed a hand, you know, like
four women, I believe, but he never got caught. Nobody

(01:03:08):
knows who this man, who he really was. There was
been bandied about so many suspects on who the Jack
the Ripper was, all the way down to H. H. Holmes,
the Devil in the White City, you know with the
murder Castle in the Chicago's Worldfair, who literally created a
hotel of horrors that had trap doors and it would

(01:03:32):
gass the women and knock them out, put them down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
This shoot.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
I mean, he was nuts. But he's even been bandied
about as being Jack the Ripper Tumblety, who was a doctor.
That's why I think Jack the Ripper is probably the
most prolific because of how long the unknown has been.

(01:03:57):
But I'm sure there's a lot of serial killer out
there that have killed many women and not been caught,
but they're not leaving the serial killer trademark of a
letter or a calling sign or a moniker. So it's
hard to really gauge if there's a serial killer out

(01:04:18):
there that who hasn't been caught because we don't know.
There's no way to tie the cases together. So that's
why I think he was kind of the most prolific
because of the notoriety of it all and how well
known he is, and how long this cold case has lasted,
and we still don't know. Over two hundred years or

(01:04:38):
whatever it's been, we still don't know the identity of
Jack the Ripper. We probably will never know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
There is two of them. For me, number one, I
am totally intrigued about the legend of the Smiley Face killers,
whether they're whether they're real, or whether it's coincidence. I mean,
there's still great debate over that. But here's a case
that's never been said that it was a serial killer

(01:05:08):
except I know deep down, and talking to a journalist
friend of mine in Vancouver who believes, who has talked
to police officers who believe other you know, they just
can't come out and say it because they don't want
to scare the public. And that was for a long time.
In the nineties and two thousands, there were these feet

(01:05:29):
that were washing up on the shores of British Columbia,
Washington State, Oregon, and even in California, and they were
still in shoes, and a lot of people believe, yeah,
a lot of this is a case for you to
look into. It's actually very interesting. All of these cases
were said to be people suiciding themselves, okay, And the

(01:05:56):
interesting part about it is a lot of these people,
the parents of these victims that were found were saying
that their family members were not suicidal at all, you know,
and they just kind of vanished into thin air only
months years later to have their feet wash up on

(01:06:19):
the shore. And the reason why the feet were washing
up on the shore is because when they went into
the ocean and you know, they sunk down and the
fish fed off of them. Usually by the time the
femur disconnected from the knee if the shoe was saying,
if the foot was say in a running shoe, running

(01:06:41):
shoes float, so the foot, not having any weight at
this time, would float up and eventually make its way ashore.
Now once again, Vancouver Police and other police departments felt
that this was just you know, people taking their own lives.
But there are many out there who believe that it
is an actual serial killer case and they just did

(01:07:03):
not want to alert the public because they had so
few clues regarding these people who vanished.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Right, Yeah, that is strange And it's funny because my
last night or last Sunday's episode, I did kind of
a missing and masses thing, like, how does like a
group of people go missing, and like you said, they
committed a self harming event? Well, who would cut off
their feet for that? No? He would do that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Well, the fish, the fish and the crustaceans caused the
feet to disconnect from the body. Like it's like these
people jumped into like say they jump off a bridge
and you never see the person again. Well, eventually, if
the body sinks, then.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
I guess if they're unless maybe they they had there's
no sign of any type of weight down, weighted foot down,
like a chain or anything around these ankles. I guess
it could come off. No, okay, because I was gonna say,
like most people the way they nobody wants to drown

(01:08:16):
That is probably that's like my fear of how I'm
gonna die is drowning to me? That gat I can't
watch movies that are underwater and like people are struggling
to breathe. It gives me anxiety. I can't watch it.
Oh gosh, like Dave wants to watch all these movies
like that are like the the what was that movie

(01:08:37):
crawl with the alligators that during the hurricane that got
through them into the houses. And I'm like, oh no,
I can't watch this. I I literally can't breathe when
they can't breathe, So it's not good for me to
watch it. But that would be like the worst way
to try and take yourself out. But like you said,
if they are jumping off of a bridge, but you

(01:09:01):
would think as many many feet there watching up and
sure that somebody would have noticed people jumping off a
bridge at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Well, I mean, and that's exactly it. But is it
getting harder now for serial killers to do what they do?
Because everything is being filmed these days, whether it's traffic cameras,
whether it's security cameras, whether it's people with their phones

(01:09:33):
just happen to be randomly taking a video. Everything is
on film these days. You cannot get away from it.
And do you think because of that people are more
cautious in what they're thinking and doing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I would say so. One of the most recent things
that have been coming you've been seeing a lot of
documentaries coming up on the Delphi murder, and that's a
clear case of using technology. Even though these two young
I believe they were thirteen, two young girls were murdered,

(01:10:12):
and there's some strange circumstances around their death too, But
they caught They were filming, I think they were doing
snapchat or something or recorded a video and as they're walking,
you can see a man approaching them on this old
railroad bridge and as he gets closer, yep, Julie down.

(01:10:38):
He was railroaded. Yeah, some to say that he did
not commit it. He's not the bridge guy as they
call them. But it recorded the man's voice saying down
the hill, and so that's all we could go on.
We couldn't really make out any facial features on the video,
so it's like, Okay, who is this person? So everybody's

(01:10:59):
looking for the bridge guy. They put out a sketch
of what this man could possibly be everybody's looking for
this guy. Typical Midwest town. It's happened in Delphi, Indiana,
and you know any Midwestern tew you know, you got
a guy slightly overweight, probably a go tear, some facial hair,

(01:11:20):
wear's a hat, where's a car heart, zip up jacket,
you know, the typical Midwestern look. And yes, I know
it's very haunting knowing that just a few moments after
that video was taken, those two young girls' lives were taken.
But so the town's looking for him. And then as

(01:11:41):
they're doing some more investigating and stuff, they come out
with a whole completely other sketch of a possible suspect,
and the man looks completely different. He looks thirty years
younger than the original composite sketch. So the town is
just not no, what is going on. But then this

(01:12:03):
Richard Allen, somehow he gets brought into the mix because
I think he actually came forward with some information because
they were asking for people who may have been on
the trails that day if they had any information, and
he happened to say he was, but the time he

(01:12:23):
said was a different time. But it ended up he
was there at the same time. It's so confusing. But basically,
they arrested him in charged him with the murders, and
they were literally torturing this man in prison. They were
putting him in solitary confinement, they were giving him sleep deprivation.

(01:12:45):
I mean, they were literally trying to force a confession
out of him, which he eventually did, and he thinks,
he's like, I don't know, I may have done it.
I don't know I did it. Even told his wife.
He goes, yeah, I did it. I killed those girls.
She's like, no, you did it, and he goes, I did.
He goes, I don't know what else to say, I

(01:13:06):
did it. And it's like he's not mentally he's not
mentally there anymore. So I don't know if he's just
gotten to the breaking point where mentally he's just broken now.
And he doesn't even look like the same man that
went into prison. If you look at a before and after,

(01:13:26):
it's shocking. But if you want to watch a really
good documentary on the Delphi murders, a new one just
came up on Hulu. I don't know if it's the
Impact series, but you can look up anything about the
Delphi murders and you'll find it. But that is a
crazy case because there's also speculation of a cult type

(01:13:50):
practices of where the way these girls were found their
bodies were positioned. They think it could be part of Odeonism.
I'm not sure if you've ever heard of that, but
it's kind of a pagan form of like a wiccan
for the Scandinavian culture, so like the Vikings and that

(01:14:13):
kind of the it's called Odionism. And I guess how
the girl's bodies were positioned, and they're very nature as
type of a religion, so like trees are very important,
and they like sticks were placed on the bodies a
specific way, and like their bodies were pointing to a

(01:14:34):
specific tree. So they don't know really what happened. But
the only person, I mean, they basically closed the case
and said that it's Richard Allen. But there are people
that are saying, no, I think there's something behind this.
And his lawyer has been pushing this Odianism thing, and
he's been really doing a lot of due diligence and

(01:14:56):
studying and researching up on this religion to see if
there's something more he can do with this, maybe for
an appeal to try and see if we can get
some more evidence and more maybe some you know experts
in there that deal with culture and cults and ritualistic
traditions when it comes to these things, because you know,

(01:15:18):
I mean clear case. Another one is the West Memphis Three.
I don't know if you've ever heard of the West
Memphis Three. Down in West Memphis, Arkansas, the three boys,
three little boys were found brutally mutilated and murdered hog Tide,
and everyone thought it was a Satanic ritualistic kill. This

(01:15:42):
was during the nineteen ninety three, so Satanic panic. He
had metallic out there. Everyone was saying, all this, all
this music's going to cause these kids to turn to Satan.
And I mean, there was just this huge influx during
the late eighties and earth nineties of Satanic panic, and
it costs these three boys, these three teenage boys, almost

(01:16:08):
the majority of their life in prison. One was set
to be put on death row and be uh youth
put to death by injection, but they ended up taking
the Alford plea. And if nobody knows what the Alford
plea is, it's Alfred versus State of North Carolina, where
on paper it says you're guilty but the state. Basically,

(01:16:31):
the state is saying they screwed up without saying they
screwed up. So technically, on paper, you're still guilty, but
they don't have enough evidence to say that you need
to stay in prison. So you are set free, but
you're a convicted felon. So good luck trying to get
a job as a convicted murderer, but you wouldn't be

(01:16:52):
in jail anymore. Weird, So that, yep, Michael Peterson took it.
The staircase. If anyone seen the ninth Art, you know,
I got I don't even know how many hours that
thing was. The staircase case where his wife was found
dead at the bottom of the stairs, lots of blood,

(01:17:16):
and he was found guilty. He went and he went
to trial twice I believe, or he tried to appeal
at once, but that case was so convoluted and to me,
they weren't. That's where the prosecution team really got it wrong,
and they were so honed in and they were trying

(01:17:39):
to demonize his character by saying because he was bisexual
and he was looking at gay porn and meeting up
with gay men, and they think that was the reason
why he killed his wife. No, that doesn't make sense,
you know, It's just like some of the stuff they
were trying to stick. But the one thing, the one
thing that they never brought up that I think was

(01:18:02):
the culprit to Kathlin Kathlin Peterson's death was an owl.
And I know it sounds weird. I know it sounds weird,
but I believe an owl was the cause of her death.
Not they said he beat her over the head with
this blowpoke, which a blowpoke is a long metal tube

(01:18:23):
with a hole and it has like a hook on
the end. And that's what you do, like you put
it inside the coals of a fireplace and you blow
in it to get the fire hotter, so you're not
blowing into a fireplace with your face. It's kind of
like blowing into a straw. But the way her wounds were,

(01:18:44):
if anybody's ever watched it, awesome. If not, you can
just if you don't want to, you know, dedicate it's
like thirty hours to a true kind documentary. Don't worry.
You can always look it up. But the markings on
her head looked odd to me, and I'm glad they
brought it up into the documentary because At the end

(01:19:05):
of the documentary, they were talking about how owls now
in North Carolina. If you've never been there, I've been
there many times. But even in Minnesota, we have big owls.
We have owls that stand almost five feet tall. We
have great horned owls here, and owls can be aggressive,
very aggressive. I've had a stare down with one, and
I did not want to fight it because I don't

(01:19:27):
think I would have won. But at the time of
Kathleen's death, she supposedly she may have gone outside in
the very front yard. So at that time, at that
time of night, owls are very active and it was
mating seasons, so very well at night, she was supposedly
putting a Christmas decoration outside. Now, she also had a

(01:19:49):
valume in her and she had some wine that night.
She's wearing flipflops. Now, I think what happened is the
owl came in, grabbed her, attacked her head, and she
starts bleeding. Now, anyone who's had a head woon knows
your head bleeds like a faucet. It just just gush.
It's blood. It's like it's horrible. Well, if you have

(01:20:11):
talon gashes in your scalp. It's gonna bleed like crazy
because they found microscopic feathers in her hair, and they're like,
why does she have feathers in her hair? The medical
examiner and the prosecution they didn't even consider that as evidence,
and the discovery of it within the defense, it was

(01:20:32):
like it was a cast aside, like a cliff note
on the autopsy report. I mean, no, you're a human.
Hair should not have bert Avian feathers in it. And
when you look at the wounds on the head, it
does look like three clad talons going down the back
of her head. But I think what happened is she

(01:20:53):
was bleeding so much she slipped and she was trying
to get upstairs to probably get a towel or something.
She's bleeding like crazy, she's got flip flops. It's woodstairs
in a dark hallway. She probably just slipped and fell
and bled to death, you know. But he got He
was put away for a prison for god knows, Like

(01:21:13):
I think it was in prison for like twelve years
or something, dealing with this trial and everything. I mean,
and it's like those are the kind of things that
I like to really research as well, because like, how
can we prevent this stuff from happening? Because one thing
is really sad about the whole criminal side of things.

(01:21:34):
There's innocent people going to jail, and if you've ever
watched anything about the Innocent Project and the fight that
people have to do to prove their innocence is sad
at times. And how things can get so railroaded and
so corrupt within a police department and the investigation that

(01:21:56):
it's like it doesn't bother them. They don't want a mistake,
and you know, well this person that's behind ours, well
I'm sure they did something else bad, so good rids,
you know. But that's not how our justice system should work.
And you know, so that's why I like to do
what I do, because I like to go through all
aspects of crime, not just focusing on serial killers. But

(01:22:18):
like I said, I've had people talking about the foster
care system. You know, one thing I would love to
get on is family members of serial killers. How did
they cope with growing up with a family member of
a serial killer. Now I've talked with Jeff Mudget, who
is the great great grandson of HH Holmes. Knowing that

(01:22:40):
he in his bloodline, he's like a god I hope
that doesn't get passed on to me. But like, you know,
you have The Happy The Happy Face Killer. Now that
series that was on Hulu with Dennis Quaid that's based
on a real story his daughter. He would he toyed
with his daughter, and she was a daddy's girl when
growing up. But Melissa, as she got older, she realized

(01:23:05):
what her dad was and he would send her letters
from prison, and then she started realizing he would come
home because he was a truck driver, so he would
come home with a pretty bracelet for her or a
cute little hair clip for her growing up and as
she got an adult, realize these were all tokens and

(01:23:28):
trophies from all of his kills that he was giving
to his daughter. Oh yeah, And I'm just like, oh
my god, how can you rationalize that as a child
knowing that who your father is. And she finally cut
him off and she wrote a book and she's actually

(01:23:49):
the producer of the series with Dennis Quaid, and she's
done a lot of good work helping families cope with
violent family members or Syria, because I you know, can
you imagine growing up with the last named Dahmer?

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Like, I'm gonna get you to hold on right there,
because we have you for another thirty minutes. Winnie Schrader
is here. She got a great podcast, Mysteries Mayhem and
mertle Ow. You're listening spaced out again with your hosts.

(01:24:34):
Dave Scott, all right, we're clear.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Thanks, Paramurph. I appreciate the links you're popping up there. Yeah.
I also do terror readings. That's what I was doing
at the paulber House all weekend terror readings while everyone
else is ghost hunting. But yeah, and that's another thing too.
I think that helps with my true crime is that
I'm an EmPATH, so I can kind of sense a

(01:25:08):
little bit more with the serial killers and kind of
see a layer of them that they don't think I
know about. Yeah, it's crazy because there's signs where I
watch true crime documentaries and I'm like, oh, he's so guilty.
I can sense it and it comes out they are.
But but it's just like, uh, I don't know it

(01:25:32):
just it helps. I think it helps me give a
better grasp and understanding. It maybe help my public understand
a little bit of criminology in a different way, like
look at it a different way. And not to empathize
with criminals, but maybe just kind of get a better
understanding where they're coming from. Because, like I said, I
was shocked when I found out that almost sixty five

(01:25:54):
percent of kids that go through the foster system end
up in prison.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
It's shocking.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
It's sad. It's because here in America they make it.
The more kids you foster, the more money you get
from the government. So the more kids that you get
coming through your door, the more cash you get in
your pocket. And they don't take care of the kids.
The kids are running look and the states don't like

(01:26:23):
follow up on them. So these kids are getting neglected
and abused and running around the streets. Half of them
run away from all the foster homes because they're not
being taken care of properly. Sad but true.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Where is Davy today? Usually he makes an appearance.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Oh, I don't know, he's actually working. He broke his ankle. No,
oh god, it's been a rough it's been rough for
the Straighter househol I'm not gonna lie. The July David
we fourth of July. We got a word out of nowhere.
Dave's dad passed away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Oh, I heard about that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Yeah, yeah, so he had to rush to Chicago, so
he was living like him and I have been. He's
been in Illinois, I've been in Minnesota, and then he
comes here and now he's got to go back there.
It's just been and then of course he asks to
get cataract surgery, and now he had broke his ankle.
So I'm hoping. I'm kind of waiting for twenty twenty

(01:27:29):
five be over with. I'm done with twenty twenty five.
I was done with twenty twenty five back in March,
So I'm just waiting for twenty twenty six. It's gonna
be my year. That's what I'd say about twenty twenty five,
and it ain't going that way. So shoot for the
next one. Maybe that would be maybe twenty twenty six.

(01:27:51):
That's when the Minnesota Vikings will finally win a Super
Bowl too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
I don't know. I mean, how do you how do
you not bring back Sam Ernald.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Seeah? I that one really upset me and I was like,
we seems like Kirk Cousins. Basically, it was like training
a doctor Pepper for mister Pibb. They're like the one
and the same, except Chris Cousins cost a lot. Yeah.

(01:28:25):
I mean he did okay for us. He just wasn't
as consistent as we needed him to. But you know,
it is what it is. I just hope this year week.
I don't know. We got Coach of the Year last year,
and it's nice because right before that Dave won a

(01:28:47):
coach Connell signed Minnesota Vikings jersey and then he got
Coach of the Year. Like oh, that just went up
in value. That's like my prize possession because I am
a huge football fan and I will bleed purple for
the Minnesota Vikings have an NFL team, Well you're a Canadian,

(01:29:10):
you could go with the Vikings all the North Dakotians do.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
My daytime boss is a die hard Vikings fan, like
Minnesota Vikings helmets in it. You know. He is like
big time, big time Vikings, you know what. I like
a bunch of teams I do.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
I love the Bears because you know, just being in
the Midwest, the I will never ever ever john a
Green Bay Packer jersey. That team never. You'll never see
me as a cheesehead ever. That is like my enemy
during football season. I don't even go near Wisconsin. I

(01:29:58):
don't care I'll close the damn package.

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(01:31:28):
here talking true crime and Winnie. We're gonna get some
audience questions here for you if you don't mind.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
Oh for sure, I love questions.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
We're gonna head to Israel where poly is listening in
serial killers. Is it a DNA component that causes the
extreme black for human empathy or other than possible dysfunctional
family issues.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Well, I think it's a little bit of both. I
think it can be predisposed. I mean, types of behaviors
can be genetically passed down, and you know, narcissism is
one of them, So those traits can cause you to

(01:32:13):
become a serial killer. But like I said, it's usually
some triggering event. It's almost like an autoimmune disease. Once
the flip switch gets flipped, it's hard to turn off.
But what's the event that flips it? Could it be
losing a family pat that a child was close to,

(01:32:36):
to losing a parent in a traumatic way. I don't
think there really is an answer, but I really I
think there is kind of a combination because I can't
I mean, the only serial killer that I know of
that had somewhat a normal upbringing was Ted Bundy. He

(01:32:57):
said that his childhood was normal. He was now abused.
His mother was nice to him. I don't think his
father was around, so that might have had something to
do with it. But he was showing some weird type
of sadistic behaviors that is a young child. Now, if
he would have been taken seriously and taken to a

(01:33:18):
professional at that age, where we have had all the
victims of Ted Bundy in the future, because I believe
when he was a young child, he was standing by
the side of the bed with his aunt or mother,
I can't remember which one, but he had like a
large kitchen knife in his hand, and he was like

(01:33:38):
real young, like six seven years old. He's just standing
there with a knife, and it's like, no six or
seven year old should know that. But it would except
cutting meat or something, but not humans. But yeah, I
think it could be a combination of the two. It's
really hard to stay unless you really look at I think,

(01:33:59):
and it's also an individual basis to each individual is different,
So I think you just got to take it case
by case and situation by situation to really understand the
DNA of a serial killer.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Let's go to another question. Let's go next to Joe
in California. Do most serial killers kill women or men?

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
Statistically, it's mostly men. I'm sorry men killing women. Most
of the victims of serial killers are women, and unfortunately,
it's the women that nobody really cares about, and those
are the prostitutes and stuff. These are women that are
just tossed to society as garbage, and serial killers look

(01:34:48):
at them as such, so they're kind of the I
guess the typical target for a serial killer would be
a prostitution prostitute or something like that, because they're easy
to pick up and they're easy to discard and nobody's
gonna miss them, right, That's what they think. And that's
where that whole Gilgo Beach case comes into play, which

(01:35:12):
I am going to cover an upcoming episode because I
find that Gilgo Beach case pretty pretty interesting because the
original girl that they were trying to find, they thought
they found, they ended up finding like eleven other other
eleven other victims in the same area, and they just
piece this all together and they caught the guys. So
it's a pretty cold case. I'm going to cover on

(01:35:33):
a future episode. So make sure you guys subscribe to
my YouTube channel. You can find me on YouTube at
m M M Winnie Strader or just look up Mysteries
Mayhem m R Low on YouTube. You can find me
there too. But yeah, I think it's now when you
look at serial killers, it's mostly men, but there have

(01:35:56):
been women's serial killers. Now, mostly women's serial killers will
old men. Now, if it's men killing men, will also
kill other men. And usually when that's in play, it's
because there's some type of homosexual tendency like the Jeffrey Dahmers,
the John Wayne Gacy's of the world. That part kind

(01:36:16):
of ties the men and the men together. So but
I would say statistically it's mostly men killing women. Women
are the number one victims the serial killers.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
The only female serial killer at modern day that I
know of was Eileen Wernos. Why are there not as
many female serial killers?

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
I think there are. We're just two cunning and like
to get caught. No women, this is what women do, Okay,
most women serial killers and women's weapon of choice has
always been poisoned. Now, you know, you always hear these
black widowers poisoning their husbands. There's actually quite a few

(01:37:09):
cases of that. I just think that it's not as
sexy in the headlines. It's not this woman's body found
in a ditch, strangled to death, and could it be
linked to this killer. I mean a lot of times
when it comes to poisoning victims, they don't know they're
poisoned until they really look for it. You know. I

(01:37:31):
wonder how many husbands are lay or six feet under
with arsenic that in their blood, in their bodies that
the doctors didn't even know was there because they didn't
think to check for it. Because a lot of times
poisons there has to be a specific reason for them
to check for a poison, and a lot of times,
by the time they're dead, it's too late. So but yeah,

(01:37:55):
Eileen was kind of an odd one out. She used
a gun, and I think I understand why she did
what she did. I don't think she won. It wasn't
that she It wasn't that she wanted the thrill of
the kill. She was getting vengeance. She had a rough

(01:38:18):
life at a very youngig. She was being sexually abused
by her father, by her uncles, she was passed around
like she was a piece of trash. She's been raped
many times by men, she had to turn to prostitution
and drugs, so she's had a very rough life. And

(01:38:40):
I think she finally snapped and a guy was getting
a little too rough with her and she shot him.
And I don't think it. I think it was more
of a power trip for her, you know what I mean,
like kind of like a Thelma and Louise type of
power trip, like I'm a woman, I got power, I

(01:39:03):
could take you out. I won't let you hurt me
anymore type of attitude. But yeah, I mean, technically she
is a serial killer because she continued to do it
because she was sick or tired of men being dirtballs
to her and trying to hurt her, take advantage of her,
and she just got fed up. And you know, so

(01:39:23):
that and maybe that's what can trigger a woman to
become a serial killer, you know, just being fed up
and just kind of snapping. Now, you also have serial
killers as mothers with Munchhausen syndrome. There have been mothers
who have had multiple children and why they're allowed to

(01:39:48):
have more than multiple children with dying at a very
young age, and mysteriously they keep having children die of sids,
come to find out the mother was actually murdering their children,
and they were getting the sympathy and what they get
from the whole munch as them by proxy syndrome. There's

(01:40:09):
the cases like that that you could tie, I guess
to some type of serial killer with women. So it
has a with women, it has a real strong emotional
tie to it, whereas in men it's more of a
power and an ego thing with them, like they can

(01:40:30):
be powerful and take a life from somebody weaker than them,
and women are kind of like they want to be
stronger and they you know, it's like we want the opposite.
So it could very well be that's why maybe with
women we just don't notice the patterns as much as
we do with men, because it's not as grandiose and

(01:40:52):
like I said, sexy for headlines.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Very true, very true. Let's get to another question here,
this one from Jaketa. How do you feel about squid
games in South Korea? Maybe giving killers ideas?

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Oh, I'm sure it's giving many killers ideas. I didn't
watch it because I think the premise is just I'm
not I know, but I'm just like, I mean, it's
like I watched Hunger Games, and I feel like it's
kind of the same thing. You know, you just kind
of fight to the end. Yeah, but I mean, I

(01:41:31):
I assume that would give somebody some ideas unique ways
of trying to kill people be strategic about it, because
that teaches you strategy and how you can manipulate your
surroundings to cater to your statistic needs. You know, So
that very well could be that could give killers ideas.

(01:41:52):
And what's said is that stuff is like available for teenagers.
And you know, if my kids want to watch anything
like that, I'm watching it with them because I don't
want them coming out knowing stuff that I don't know
nothing about. And if I found out my kids were
watching something like squid Game and I found out what
it was about, we would be having a very long

(01:42:15):
talk that night with so. But yeah, I'm sure it does.
It has to.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
One thing that I would wonder about. And as you've
been talking tonight, it's kind of approached my mind a
couple of times. Is is it we know there are
copycats out there on everything? Is it still sexy in
a grotesque way to be a serial killer? Or is

(01:42:45):
mass killings a lot more sexier because of the immediate
attention that you get and the thrill of it all
seeing your name all over social media, seeing how many
people you affected, how many people you unalived, or whatever
term you want to use. You know, because serial killer

(01:43:07):
it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. Whereas the gratification
of people knowing your name and you becoming insta famous
is yeah, maybe something that plays along with that narcissism
that you were talking about earlier due to social media, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
And that could very well be. Yeah, like the mass
shootings and stuff are more sexier because they get out
there quicker. You can live stream. I mean, how are
you going to live stream a serial killer happen, you know,
a killing in the moment happening. It's not going to happen, right,
And you know that very well could be why we

(01:43:45):
have more mass shooters now than serial killers, because you know, yeah,
you're not going to get that instant gratification that you
would with a mass shooting. Like you said, during mass shootings,
people live stream that stuff, and you know it just
I feel like that it's probably plays a huge factor,

(01:44:07):
huge factor and why SIIA killers probably have kind of
dwindled off. Plus, we're so desensitized to that stuff. Seriously,
like a thirteen year old boy, if they saw a
body chopped up, they'd be like, oh whatever, Like it
doesn't FaZe them anymore because of all the stuff they
see now within video games and movies and all that,

(01:44:32):
that stuff isn't shocking to them anymore. So the Jeffrey
Dahmers of the world aren't. Don't sound that crazy. I mean,
have you watched Five Nights at Freddy's. I mean, this
is about animatronic My son loves it. I loved going
to the movie theater with him and we watched it
because he's a huge fanaf fan, and he kind of

(01:44:54):
him and Dave have kind of these weird, nerdy kind
of horror sci fi movie like they both love Aliens, Godzilla,
Five Nights at Freddy's. But like, you know, like having
stuff like that, like it's actually like supposed to be
like human bodies inside of this thing, and like kids
aren't phased by it. They're like human bodies are encapsulated

(01:45:17):
into these animatronic robots and they're like, yeah, it's just
part of the legend of lore. And I'm like what,
And you guys are okay with it. It's like it
doesn't bother them anymore. So I think I think, yeah,
that could very well play a huge part in why
serial killers aren't as the cool kids anymore. They don't

(01:45:40):
sit at the cool table anymore. Now it's all the
other type of people who can get instant notoriety for it.
I mean you even see it with these flash mobs
where they fight in big groups and they just they
attack innocent people, but they're getting insta famous there. You know,

(01:46:00):
one big thing was that World Star. I mean they
saw people like literally like shooting other people and putting
it up as entertainment, you know, and these kids and
like the whole thing was the goal was to get
on World Star. And the more crazy crap you did,
the more views and the more likes you got. So

(01:46:21):
it's just feeding into that ego, that narcissistic ego. So
you wonder why we have these mass shooters because then
they're like, wow, let me get let me go viral.
That's the key word. They want to go viral. And
you know, these little finding a body here there every

(01:46:41):
couple of weeks ain't gonna do it anymore. We are
in instant gratification society and a serial killers just don't
work fast enough for the what apparently the public's needs are,
So that could you know very well also be a
part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Yeah, and that's exactly what I was thinking with the
question as well. I mean, I mean, the social media
addiction out there is definitely something that you know, young
people today are absolutely wanting. I mean never before in
our history. Granted, YouTube is still relatively young and you know,

(01:47:20):
under twenty years old, but I mean, so many kids
now they don't want to go to college. They don't
want to go get an education. They don't want to
do great, hard working, blue collar work. They want to
be influencers. You know. They don't want to be musicians.
They don't want to learn the saxophone or guitar. They
want to learn a microphone and how to edit videos.

(01:47:42):
I mean, God, my twelve year old son can edit
videos better than I can.

Speaker 3 (01:47:46):
You know, oh my son, I know, my thirty year
old he makes stop motion Godzilla videos off of TikTok
and cap cut. I'm like what I mean. I use
video editing for my my podcast, but I do it
as a more educational way, Like I'm awesome at like
slide shows. I was like, I'm so glad my visual

(01:48:09):
skills in school are finally paying off because back in
the day, man, we had like transparencies and microfees and
all these kids have a full video studio right at
the fingertips, you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Know, during the summer holidays, my son created my son's
really into dinosaurs right now, and he literally created a
still frame video. It took him hours, but he made
a still frame video of dinosaurs, you know, attacking each
other and you know, eating one another and all of this.

(01:48:45):
And I'm like, dude, how did you do that? He's like,
I was just bored, So I figured i'd teach myself.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
We're creating future future Spielberg's of the world, right, which
I'm fine with, But let's create those type of kids
and not you know, serial killers and Ted Bundy's and stuff.
That's not what we want to create for a future.
And you got that, you know, so yeah, seriously, parents,

(01:49:16):
really pay attention to what your kids are watching and
are influenced by. And I don't mean TV shows. Look
at their YouTube history because that's where you're gonna find
the naughty stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
Let's go to Joe here have they ever been able
to use DNA to find the victims of the shoes
floating up on the shore. People they have, they've identified
almost all the feet, if not all of them that
have washed up. I believe there's only been a couple
in California that have washed up, but there mostly have

(01:49:49):
been in the Vancouver, British Columbia area, along with into
Washington State, and they've all been ruled as suicides. I
don't believe that. I don't believe it for a second.
Do I have any proof? No, But if you read
between the lines, there's something more to it. But yeah,

(01:50:10):
they have been able to find or the majority of
the feet who they were as persons. Jeremy is asking
what made Richard Allen kill those two girls after living
a normal life.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
And that's the one thing we haven't really gotten an
answer on, like why did he do it? He can't really,
He just like I did it. And what caught him?
They found a spent It wasn't a spent casing. They
found it was a bullet that he may have pulled
the thing back, but it popped out. It was never fired.

(01:50:45):
So it's just a rock casey city underneath. One of
the girl's bodies and supposedly the markings on it matched
his gun, which I don't even know how they came
across that. Supposedly he was on this one ladies radar
that worked for the DA's office. I think it was
so she's like, you might want to look into him.

(01:51:06):
And they found a gun in his house and they
said it matched, So that was basically the only thing
that tied him to the crime scene. And it wasn't
even a spent bullet, So I it was kind of weird.

Speaker 4 (01:51:18):
But.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
I honestly I don't think he did it, And if
he did do it, I if he did do it,
it was probably a lapse in. Maybe he just was
he didn't have a lucid moment, he maybe went psychotic
at an episode, because like you can't even really distinctively

(01:51:41):
say how he did it. And the weird thing is is,
like I said, how the girls were placed, but one
girl was naked, but the other girl was wearing the
other girl's outfit clothes, So it's like, thanks, it doesn't

(01:52:01):
seem like that would be a reason for him to
do what he did because there was no sexual assault
on the girls. And he said his motive was a
sexual he had like a sexual desire to rape them
or something, but they were never sexually assaulted. Just one

(01:52:21):
girl was undressed, she was completely naked, and the other
girl was wearing the other girl's outfit and that was it.
So it's it's just there's something missing with the whole
Delphi murder case. And I'm gonna still kind of keep
following along and seeing what Richard Allen's attorney is coming

(01:52:42):
up with when it comes to the odionism research that
he's doing, hopefully to put that into an appeal for him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
For people who may not know who Richard Allen is,
please please describe who he is.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
Richard Allen. He worked as a pharmacy tech at a
sea Yes, quiet has you know, quiet guy lived a
normal blue collar working you know, family, his wife and kids,
and you know, he just typical Midwestern never had an issue. Really,
I think he had a couple of minor issues with
the law, but nothing to say he would killed two

(01:53:20):
thirteen year old girls. So and everybody at his job
at everybody who encounter said he was a friendly guy
and he was just kind of a quiet, just average
joe that lived in Delphi, Indiana. Really there was nothing,
nothing to say that he was the one that did it.
And when people found out that he confessed, they couldn't

(01:53:43):
even believe that he confessed to it, like why it
can't be Richard, Like they couldn't believe it themselves. Even
his wife cannot believe it. He's on the phone saying
I killed them, and she's like, I know you didn't
do this. This this is not you and he's like,
I don't know. I think I did it. So it's

(01:54:04):
almost like the police have convinced him that he's done it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
So weird. Winnie, thank you so much for coming back
on spaced Out Radio. We love it when you're here.
Anytime you want to come on, just let us know.
Winnie Schrader and her great podcast Mysteries Mayhem and Merlow
Swamp Dweller is next to kick off our number three.

(01:54:30):
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

(01:54:52):
Thank you so much, whin.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
Oh You're welcome, And I'll have Dave send you a
Streamyrrege link for you to join him seven pm on Thursday,
And if you could write up kind of a synopsis
of what your story is so he can kind of
create an intro and stuff so he has something to
go off of. I'll shoot you over the email address
to send that to him.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Okay, is that in like two days from now Thursday?

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
Yeah? Okay, yep, this Thursday at seven pm Central, so.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
Yes, I will. Can you just send me a reminder
on Facebook to do that for him?

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Yep, I will shoot that over to you along with
his email. Okay, thank you, all right, thank you, thank you,
thank you all.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
Right, take care you too, Bye bye bye. When he straighter, everybody,
we love her around here, we do. I'll be right.

Speaker 6 (01:55:42):
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Speaker 6 (02:00:15):
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(02:01:02):
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Speaker 7 (02:02:26):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unknown, sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmapes.
Welcome to the spaced.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 7 (02:02:44):
I wish I had more information on this story. It
was a very brief encounter that has always stayed with
me since I was young. It may not be the
most eventful, but it creeps me out. It started when
I was young. When I was about six or seven
years old, my family lived in an old, old house
with a few dogs in South Carolina. It was far

(02:03:04):
from uneventful there. I heard strange noises and saw strange
lights sat our house. I was convinced the place was haunted.
As it turns out, I may not have been wrong.
One of the weirdest things that ever happened to me
happened outside of that house. I used to go outside
a lot back then. I loved being outside in the

(02:03:25):
feeling of being out there, regardless of how warm or
cold it was, was freeing to me. But I usually
came back in before it got too dark out. I
didn't stay out in the middle of the night, but
one day I decided to stay out just for a
bit longer into the evening. It was getting around six
thirty when I finally decided to go back inside that day,

(02:03:46):
But before I did, I was interrupted by something extraordinary.
Above my house was this sort of hill past a
road that went through a forest. Up there was a neighborhood,
plenty of people living there, at least for some nowhere
southern town. Up there was a strange figure. I'd say
it was tall, maybe six feet tall, but it was

(02:04:07):
hard to tell from where I was standing, and the
memories had been understandably vague since I was very young.
I just sat there, staggered in disbelief. A tall pitch
black humanoid figure loomed over me, just over the hill.
It was blank and just black, sort of like a shadow.
It looked distorted, though, like the shadow was moving around

(02:04:28):
like static TV, if that makes any sense. Me being
young and confused, I was stunned. It was so bizarre.
I didn't know what to do. But the door was
right behind me, so I could run back into my
parents at any moment. I felt safe for that reason.
I waved at the creatures as it stood there, and
it gave me some sort of wave back. For a

(02:04:50):
few seconds. I was so creeped out that chills went
down my spine. My heart was pounding, and goose bumps
rose on my arms. It human and was now acting human.
I started making other motions, and the thing honestly kind
of had a mind of its own, but also was
copying my every movement. I started making other motions, and

(02:05:13):
the thing just copied them every time. I even walked
closer and poked behind a tree, and it pretended to
do the same, even though there was no tree for
it to hide behind. I was thoroughly amused. I realized
I would probably seem like a madman making weird motions
to anybody who saw me. I looked around to see
if anybody was looking. When I looked back at the creature,

(02:05:36):
it was no longer there. The way it just stood
there at first and then copied my every motion later
was so strange and downright creepy. The more I think
about it, it seems like it was straight out of
a horror story or something, the start of some climactic
series of events. But I never saw anything like it again.
I'm sure there has to be some sort of plausible

(02:05:57):
explanation somewhere out there, but until then, this is the
only paranormal story that I have.

Speaker 1 (02:06:04):
Thank you Swamp Dweller for another spooky, crazy story. If
you want more just like that, head on over to
his YouTube channel Swamp Dweller hit subscribe, Ring that bell Swamp.
He kicks off our three each and every night on
this show, it's time for Robin. Robin Haynes. It's good

(02:06:46):
to have you back here on Spaced Out Radio. How
are you, my friend?

Speaker 4 (02:06:51):
I'm good, always happy to be here. Good to hear
you're taking a week off, well deserved.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
I am going to take a week off because for
radio people, I don't have a lot of time to
do what I want to do with my studio and everything,
and I've got some new toys that I need to
set up, and I want to redo the studio to
make it a little bit more modern, especially for our

(02:07:21):
camera side of everything, you know, because we do broadcast
this show live on YouTube and x and LinkedIn and
Twitch while we're doing the radio side, and you have
to try and find that happy medium. Now on radio,
I think we sound great because you can't really see

(02:07:41):
us on the radio, yeah, you can only hear us.
But to try and balance a happy medium. There's just
things that I want to do with the studio just
to make it look a little bit more up to
date because I really haven't done a change in it
in a number of years. So I think it's still.

Speaker 4 (02:08:01):
Yeah. You know, well I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
I think so it's nice.

Speaker 4 (02:08:10):
I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
Yes, we had an interesting time out at Flight twenty one.

Speaker 4 (02:08:17):
I know. You know, did you get my message about Saturday?

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
I did. The only reason why we didn't call you
is because we had Merle and Lee Strauss here with us,
and so we had a big team go out and
we actually went out there for about eight nine hours.

Speaker 4 (02:08:38):
Oh wow. Yeah, it was well, I had sent you
that message because I went out of town and I
was going to be on a flight and I wasn't
sure if i'd be there in time, and I thought, well,
I will be later on. I got stuck at the
Atlanta Airport. I didn't think you'd ever get out of there.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
Well you did.

Speaker 4 (02:08:57):
Yeah. They had alarms going off, police going all over
the place. They froze all the flights. It was great.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
Well, I could tell you this. We found numerous footprints.
Could Our trail cam did not work. It failed right
from the beginning. And Tim James took the camera home

(02:09:28):
and immediately tested it out to see if it was
a trail cam or that he was doing something wrong,
and he did the exact same thing and it caught pictures.

Speaker 4 (02:09:40):
Yeah, they zap it. They used to zap the liveing tower.
I had security cameras at the one house and the
other one. I had the trail cam, and I had
somebody that had made a birdhouse to put the trail
cam in so it disguise it. They would take it.
They would zap it, and then and they would go

(02:10:00):
and grab sticks and they'd bury the whole thing. Every
time they did something to it. I got like two pictures,
one of a thumb and the other of a breast
of a female and that was it. Other than that,
they just knocked them out every time, and they took
out our security cameras. They took them both out at
one time. We got those replaced and they made it
about two weeks before they finally took them out again.

Speaker 1 (02:10:24):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (02:10:24):
They don't even have to touch them, They just push
enough energy into them to blow them.

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
Well, it was. It was very interesting at the end
of the night. And I'm going to bounce around here
a little bit, but the end of the night I
found very interesting because Lee and Tim had heard something
big kind of shifting through the trees while we were

(02:10:51):
while we were packing up. And Lee is an incredible investigator.
I'd never investigated with Lee before. Lee Strauss from our
Element one point fifteen show and our UFO Max show
on our Spaced Out Radio YouTube channel, and the guy

(02:11:12):
is absolutely incredible out in the field, absolutely incredible. And
you hear him all of a sudden talking to like
he's talking to a kitten or a puppy dog, and
he's like, oh, Hi, how are you. I hope you
don't mind, but we'd like to really see you. Would
you like to come out and say hi to us?

(02:11:34):
How are you today? Like it was just that's so great.
It was phenomenal, phenomenal. And here's where it it happened.
So where we put the marbles and tried to create
the other gifting site, they experienced a very very large

(02:12:01):
presence in that area. Tim was very much on the
point where he felt he wanted to walk in there.
He said he did not feel any fear. He did
not feel any any danger or anything. He said, it

(02:12:24):
almost felt like they were inviting him in.

Speaker 4 (02:12:28):
Yeah, they probably were. And what they do is they
get in your head and they make you think it's
your own thoughts, but it's really their thoughts, and they're
kind of like leading you where they want you to be.
I've had that happen before, and they're not. I mean,
I don't think he was trying to be harmed at all.

(02:12:48):
I mean, you gotta be careful with the bad ones
when they do that. But there's you know, I've never
picked up anything bad in your area, but they will.
But they make you think that it's your idea, but
it's actually they're in control.

Speaker 1 (02:13:01):
Yeah, And He said that he was really debating whether
or not to go in there. And now I have
talked to researchers who have had that same thing happen,
and they've tested it out, and they said that they
have felt that like they are surrounded by three four

(02:13:21):
five creatures and these creatures will reach out touch them, okay,
and it's very peaceful and very loving, and it's very
inviting in And I said to Tim, I said, I
was going to talk to you about this tonight. I
said this on last night's show, because he's kind of

(02:13:44):
kicking himself in the butt that he didn't get an
opportunity to do that. And you know, it's not that
he chickened out, but he literally felt that, you know,
maybe it wasn't the time.

Speaker 4 (02:13:59):
Yeah, they it's amazing when they do it. I had
an experience. It was back in Michigan and I was
in my home. It was twelve thirty at night. I'm
just watching TV. My kids are in bed, and all
of a sudden, it was I had to be out
in the woods. I knew a certain space I was
supposed to go in the woods. I'd never been there before,
but I knew how to get there. And it was

(02:14:19):
like something just took over and I called my babysitter.
She came over to the house. I go out in
this woods and by now it's after one o'clock and
it was like I knew where I was going, and
I'm thinking the whole time, I have no idea where
I'm going, but I feel like I'm being pulled there
and I'm going all over through the woods. That's how
they got me back to where their nests were at,

(02:14:41):
and I ended up. They told me to put my
hand on the bush. I put my hand on the bush.
I go through this portal and I'm standing in this
place with all these nests and then there was a male,
a female, and a child there. But that's how it
was for me. I didn't I mean, it was like
I knew it wasn't my own thought, and I had
no idea where I was going, but yet I just

(02:15:01):
went with it. And all of a sudden, it was
like instinctively my body knew where to go, and the
whole time in my head, I'm like, I have no
idea where I'm at. It's the middle of the night,
you know, there's all this wildlife out and where I
lived yet we had coyotes, we had wolves. I mean,
we had all kinds of stuff. And I'm seeing all
this stuff at night and I just keep right on going,
like a hot knife on butter. No idea, you know

(02:15:24):
where to go. But yet my body instinctively knew where
to take me. I'm turning this way, going this way,
going that way, and it took me right there. But
they do it, they get in your head to into it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:37):
What are you been safe?

Speaker 4 (02:15:40):
I was completely safe. They did not try to hurt me.
The female and the little girl spoke. The male didn't.
He just watched me. But you have to be careful.
That's where reading the energies is so important, because if
it's something negative, that energy is not going to lie.
So it may come off as it's being nice and couraging,

(02:16:00):
but the energies are going to come off negative anyway,
and you would feel it, and that's when you don't
want to go. In the case out there, I'm not
picking up even remote viewing it and doing the time
rewind on it to see it. I'm not picking up
anything bad. I think you would have been just fine.
I do think that you had probably four that were

(02:16:23):
cloaked there and were coming up quite close. I don't
know if anybody felt me heaviness or anything, but they
were definitely around you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:16:33):
Well, we did find four five footprints in the area.

Speaker 4 (02:16:39):
That's great, you know, And.

Speaker 1 (02:16:43):
So nothing was touched at the gifting site. Something had
been nibbling on the hawk feather at the gifting site.
I talked to a First Nations person yesterday who said
we should move the raven's feather from the gifting sight

(02:17:04):
because raven feathers are, in their tradition around here a
sign of death. Yes, so we're going to we're going
to get rid of the raven's feather. But when we
first pulled in that day, there was another feather, and

(02:17:27):
this one was sticking out of a of a toppled
over tree with the with the roots of the of
the stump sticking out, and something had put a feather
right in the middle of it, like it was like
waiting for us. And I had a good laugh with that, you.

Speaker 4 (02:17:46):
Know, Oh, yeah, it really was, so you can see it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
Yeah, it was. It was quite interesting because we could
tell that nobody had been up there, because you could
tell by tire tracks. Yeah, and nobody had been up there.
Now that's not saying somebody didn't walk in, but even
on the way in it there was no fresh tracks there.

Speaker 4 (02:18:10):
Yeah, if you were able to get tracks from them there,
you would have gotten tracks from one of our people, right,
you know. And there's their friendship, you know, you really have.
I mean, it's really impressed of the relationship that you're
building there because it's done on a you know, a
very good level. It's respectful, it's friendly. And look at

(02:18:34):
the progress you've made over time because you're doing it
the correct way. You're doing it respectfully, you're not pushing boundaries,
you know, and it's like a give and take from
them and you. I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:18:47):
Yeah, it was very interesting to see how it all
played out. And one of the cool things that we
actually had happen is if you remember the story that
I told you and are audience, I've said it in
a number of times on this show. In twenty twenty three,
when I saw the UFO landing, I didn't see the landing,

(02:19:08):
that's incorrect. I saw it on the ground. Lee actually
had a Geiger counter with him and lo and behold,
I take him into that spot and we are getting
radiation spikes all around the area.

Speaker 4 (02:19:28):
It's very possible to get them off their footprints as well.
If you take those geiga counters. Let's say you had
an opportunity to go up to a sasquatch, it's going
to pop that geiga counter as the live ones it does,
and it does on the ones that have passed, and
it's because their frequency is so high that that's the

(02:19:49):
way it comes off is like radiation. That's why when
you have a lot of ongoing close contact with them,
it's always really super important. Tell them, you know what,
I have a three D body. My body can't be
around that strong of an energy. Can you pull it
back a little? And they aren't going to drop it
down because then they have no protection, but they will
pull it back a little. They can do that because

(02:20:11):
they don't think about it. That's just part of who
they are. But it can do damage to us. And
this is why you find researchers, whether it's with UFOs
and aliens or cryptids, and you find researchers have a
lot of health problems. And that's why. And know for
anybody listening, because I get asked this a lot. They
do not put diseases in you. They cannot put diseases

(02:20:32):
in you. But that high frequency and energy is part
of their body chemistry. They are not doing it to
hurt anybody, but it's part of who they are. And unfortunately,
even if we are a high frequency person, we still
live in a third dimensional body, and that third dimensional
body cannot handle the frequency as high as what they carry.

(02:20:55):
And that's before any zapping. When they zap, they're pulling
it all in a ball and they're throwing it at you.
But their regular body chemistry, it just radiates from them
and the geigacounters I you know, I know people that
have taken it over their footprints and it pops it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:12):
That's amazing. That is absolutely amazing. If we have three
minutes to go before we have to go to break
here at the bottom of the hour, Robin Haynes is
with us. We're talking a little bit about flight twenty
one and the weekend that was. There was a lot
of spiritual activity there. We could tell that there was

(02:21:33):
a lot of spiritual activity going on, and we were
able to do a little bit of communication with things.
And have you ever heard a sasquatch getting picked up
on EVP.

Speaker 4 (02:21:53):
To. You know, we tried that a couple of times,
and we did get a voice that was very gargled.
You know how you get that rattle because they have
you know, they speak out of the clavicle where we
come out of the top of the throat, so it's
very guttural when they talk. And we did get a

(02:22:16):
couple of voices on that. We didn't try it very often.
It was just something fun to try. And could we
definitely say that it was a sasquatch. No, but it
certainly did not sound like a spirit. I do know
of someone that did get one on an EVP, though,
and they knew it was a sasquatch because they were
on a trip and I had told them the sasquatch

(02:22:37):
was going to be there and given them some information
on it, and what they heard come on that EVP
verified what I had said, so you know, it was
definitely a sasquatch and it responded with information that only
a particular sasquatch would have known.

Speaker 1 (02:22:57):
That is weird. That is the other thing that happened
that I wanted to talk to you about is remember
last week when I was telling you about the flatulence
that we heard in the field. Well, we found.

Speaker 5 (02:23:18):
Poop.

Speaker 1 (02:23:22):
Now that's I don't know if it was theirs or not.
I'm going to during the break send you the pictures
on your DM so you can have a good look
at them. Most animals don't back their high knees into
a tree to go to the bathroom exactly. They usually
will just go wherever they feel because nature is their toilet.

Speaker 4 (02:23:47):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:23:48):
Okay, And this one was tucked into a tree, and
I talked to one person who believed it might have
been a bear. But I've talked to other people, enforced people,
you know, hunters and experienced people who said, no, that's
not bear. I don't know what that is. You know,
I've never seen that before. So I'm going to hit

(02:24:09):
you up on the other side of the break regarding that,
and we will talk about sasquatch pope. Yeah, it is
a hot button topic on this show that we call
spaced Out Radio. Robin Haynes with the cryptid Q and
a returning after this is spaced Out Radio and your.

Speaker 6 (02:24:29):
Both Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
One second year Robin. Okay, so I've sent you, just
sent you five pictures.

Speaker 4 (02:25:02):
Okay. Usually THEIRS looks really long. I haven't noticed it
that looks like that. Now there's one piece in there

(02:25:23):
that's a maybe, But again it would depend on are
they constipated where they're going a little bit at a time.
The ones that I've seen, and I collected one sample
and it wasn't in little balls like that. It looks
just like ours, only much much bigger.

Speaker 1 (02:25:42):
Well, if you look at the picture of Tim where
he's reaching inside like this little tree area.

Speaker 4 (02:25:50):
Yeah, now that one looks long. That one looks like
it's put together, and it's much longer that I would
say is a pass ability. But yeah, you're right. Most
you know, most of them are not going to back
up under the tree. You know, it would depend on

(02:26:11):
I mean, like I said, if they were dehydrated, if
they were you know, didn't have a lot of water
in them or whatever it might you know, they might
go in balls like that. But that's also really pretty
good size, which would lean towards them. But like I said,
the ones that we had, in fact, igor Berstuff insisted
I take a sample of it, and my son was

(02:26:36):
out in the woods and there was one out there
going to the bathroom. That's how we knew what had
done it. And I went out there. I get this
sample and he's like, just put it in the freezer,
and I couldn't do it. I was like, you know what,
let him have some privacy. I threw it out. I said,
just give him some privacy. For Heaven's sakes, is nothing sacred.
But yeah, they it tends to be long. It looks

(02:26:58):
just like ours. But there are times, even you know,
with our people that depending on you know, how much
moisture in your body, sometimes you do get the little
balls like that. So I certainly wouldn't rule it out.
Because there's that one piece that looks quite long. Actually
there's two pieces that look long.

Speaker 1 (02:27:20):
So in your estimation, then you think that is sasquatch poop.
We're still unidentified.

Speaker 4 (02:27:26):
I think it's unidentified. And the reason I say that
is now there's two pieces that are long, and those
I would say, yes, okay, because it looks like it's
fairly big around. It doesn't look like bear poop to me.
But there's some that are just round balls, you know
what I mean. But they're too big to be deer,

(02:27:48):
and a deer isn't going to have it compacted where
it's going to be long like that. And so there's
you know, there's parts of it that you could say
it was, but to me, I would I have to
go with it. It's still unidentifiable because just because some
of those pieces in there that's not typical, it really
looks like when we believe it or not as gross

(02:28:09):
as it sounds when we go. But like I said,
you've got two or three pieces that are attached and
are elongated like that, and it does look quite large around, yes,
like it would be too big for anything else. As
far as the size.

Speaker 1 (02:28:29):
Around it, well what makes sense.

Speaker 4 (02:28:37):
But again, you know, like I said, if they're dehydrated,
if they haven't had a lot of water or whatever,
their bowels are going to be harder, and you would
get just the little or not little, but the drug
gets the nuggets.

Speaker 1 (02:28:50):
We'll talk about the rest of it here momentarily. Hello
Moodence mogul, how you doing? Mooden's moongle? Our resident want
to be comedian? I love him, love him. We got

(02:29:26):
just under a minute here, Robin.

Speaker 4 (02:29:28):
Not a problem, h Yeah, but that's great. You're getting
such good interaction. And I don't pick up that he
was in any danger, but I think that you know,

(02:29:48):
it was trying to lead him in there. It's that's
why it's so vital, the energy reading, because they you know,
like you said, he didn't feel threatened in any way
because his body was reading the energy and it was fine.

Speaker 1 (02:30:01):
Right, you know, hold that thought, Robin. We're about to
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(02:31:19):
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the Q and A, and we appreciate you coming on in. Robin.
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 4 (02:31:29):
Oh, thank you for having me. You guys are awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:31:31):
All right. We teased right before the break that we
were going to make this a crappy situation pun intended
sasquatch poop. Now, I sent you some photos of what
could be something anomalous in the droppings variety as we
try and keep it polite. Your thoughts on.

Speaker 4 (02:31:56):
The doodoo, well, I think you know, I would have
to say it's still unidentifiable, but there are some strong
indications that it very well could be. Number one, like
the way that it was placed under the tree, you know,
in the pines there. I mean, that's not an easy
place for anything to be able to go to the bathroom.

(02:32:18):
As far as what the size of it is, the
size of it, there's a very good possibility. Normally it's
very elongated. It's very much like ours, only at a
bigger size. But you did have two or three pieces
in there that were long like that, and like I
was telling you, if they were dehydrated, if they, you know,

(02:32:41):
needed more fluids in their diet or whatever, and they
were a little bit constipated, it would come out like
the rest of it did. But there are a couple
of pieces in there that do look very suspicious that
it could possibly be.

Speaker 1 (02:32:57):
Your thoughts on the location of the droppings, because most
wild animals do not back their behinds into a tree
area to make sure their feces is covered up somewhat exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:33:13):
And that's what I was just going to say. It's
not even for me, it's not. Yes, it's so unusual
that an animal would back up like that. It was
the way it was done because not only did it
back up under that tree, it made sure that the
bow of the spruce, pine needles or whatever kind of
pine that is went over the top of it, almost

(02:33:36):
like they had pulled it back, put their behind back
in there, gone to the bathroom, and then let that
branch come down to cover it. So they really wanted
to make sure nobody knew it was there. Now, any
of your animals that are out in the woods that
do that generally do like a cat would do and
scratch the ground around it to almost try to cover it.

(02:33:58):
And I noticed from the that was not done, and
a sasquatch typically does not do that. It would hide
it absolutely would hide it exactly like it's done in
your photos.

Speaker 1 (02:34:12):
And here's one of the other things too. We know
isn't moose because moose droppings look like giant chocolate covered almonds.
We know it's not bear, we know it's not cattle.
We just we've been eliminating as we speak here whereas

(02:34:36):
we go.

Speaker 4 (02:34:36):
Well, and there are like I said, you know, yeah,
there's some of it that are are balls. But you know,
when I had kids, there was a couple of times,
you know, if the kids were sick and they got
dehydrated or whatever, that's what their feces would look like.
The sasquatch typically looks like ours, only bigger. And you've
got the size to it, definitely, and there are two

(02:35:00):
pieces that are elongated to the point where it is
definitely suspicious for it for sure. And then you add
that with the placement of it, no markings on the
ground where anything was scratching at it, trying to bury
it or anything like that. But whatever did it made
a point of having it hidden under the bowels of

(02:35:20):
that pine. So definitely suspicious. I would not in this case.
I would not rule it out that that's what it's it.

Speaker 1 (02:35:29):
Is, all right, all right, let's get to a couple
questions from our audience here. Let's start off with Jay here.
Have you ever been led to a portal trap from
puck wedges or by anything else out there?

Speaker 4 (02:35:48):
I have one picture of a puck wedgie in my backyard,
but it never did anything. And they're normally pretty dangerous,
and they're usually in a group, and I only saw
the one and it did not try to lure me anywhere.
I was taken into a portal one time, and that
was through the Sasquatch. I've been asked by them multiple

(02:36:10):
times to go through a portal, but I always say
to them, you know, can you promise me that I
can return and that it's not going to bother me?
And they've told me the same thing every time. Our
third dimensional bodies are not made for portals. They can't
promise I would be safer that i'd be back, Okay,
so I try not to do that. They did lead
me there, you know, just like I was telling you earlier.

(02:36:31):
I mean, I was at home twelve thirty at night,
I had no idea to go out in the woods.
I wasn't even thinking about the Sasquatch. And the next
thing I know, I was so overtaken by the desire
to go out there, and I knew instinctively where to go,
and it led me directly to them, and they told
me to put my hand on a bush. In fact,
you were worst Off. Has this in his book? They

(02:36:52):
said put your hand on the bush because I couldn't
go into the woods. It was a rounded area of
woods out in the middle of nowhere, and it was
so tight I could not get through it. And I
kept saying they wanted me to, kept telling me to
go in there, and I'm like, I can't get in.
It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. And they said,
just put your hand on the bush. So I did.
I put my hand on the bush, and you know,

(02:37:14):
it was really odd. I saw a lot of green
or gray speckley things. Silver kind of felt like flutters
in my stomach. And the next thing I know, I'm
in this other place and there was the nest and
how they had it all set up, and it was
quite elaborate in there, and there was a large male
a female and a small child that was a little girl.

(02:37:34):
And then when I went to leave, they said, I said,
how do I get out? Like I can't. It's unpenetrable.
I can't get out. I couldn't get in, And they said,
just put your hand back on the bush, which I
did and it got me right back out again. They
have asked me at other times to go into portals
and I declined because they could not promise I would
be back. And I'm a mom and a grandma, you know,

(02:37:55):
so I have to make sure I come back.

Speaker 1 (02:38:00):
Go next to blue Cruise. I've seen multiple photos images
online where a dog band displays a mouthful of gleaming
white teeth. Is this caused by a photo image after
effect or the energy of field ebony or the energy
field emanating from the dog ban.

Speaker 6 (02:38:20):
That?

Speaker 4 (02:38:21):
I can't tell you conclusively, I really can't. I would
imagine it has to do with the energy field around them.
And the other thing is just like with our dogs.
You know, our dogs chew on bones, they have dog
cookies or whatever, and it does clean their teeth a
little bit. Now with cryptids, we already know the Sasquatch
and I have normally really clean teeth and the dog

(02:38:43):
men it you know, the same problem with them. But
the thing is is they are more canine, and that
could have a lot to do with them. But as
far as you're talking about to me, knowing what I
know about them and what I've physically seen, I would
say it has more to do with the energy that
radiates around them, because I have seen different cryptis where

(02:39:05):
that energy was so strong it was almost like they glowed,
and then there was also that reflection in a photo
of it. But I mean, I've physically seen them and
they do kind of look like they glow.

Speaker 1 (02:39:22):
Well, it's going to be interesting to see if that
is actually true. And the reason why is, I don't
think and no offense to Blue Cruise. I have not
yet to see a good dog man photo out there,
so I would be worried if it's more AI generated
or photoshopped.

Speaker 4 (02:39:40):
And that's possible too. I have one that I personally
think is good, but it's not a dog man pup
and he's setting up in a tree and you can
see his ears, a snout, his eyes, you know, his shoulders.
But yeah, do photos you know, we don't get as
many as we do with the sasquatch, they're more aloof.

(02:40:01):
I mean, once in a while you'd get one that's
really nosy and curious, but they are more aloof than
the sasquatch.

Speaker 1 (02:40:06):
Even Well, it's very true, very true. I know you've
had your experience, and we actually had this talk out
the forest the other day. Why do you think that
we haven't got a high quality video? And there are

(02:40:28):
a number of them out there, and some of them
are quite convincing, But why do you think we haven't
got a good video of sasquatch since Patterson Gimlin?

Speaker 4 (02:40:38):
Well, I think when they got Patty, it's important that
everybody remembers that was an eight millimeter film. It was
not digital. Okay, So these are high frequency beings. When
back in the sixties, the kind of cameras and the
film that they use, we're not digital, and that plays

(02:41:00):
a very large part. These are high frequency beings. They
radiate energy and you know, for the people that have
had interaction with them, you'll know what I'm talking about.
You get close to them and it is like this
excessively heavy blanket that's put over the top of you. Okay,
it's not being zapped, it's just weight because that energy
is so intense. It's like going next to something radioactive.

(02:41:26):
So when what happens is when you take a picture
with a digital camera, that frequency blurs it. Not that
they can't do that too, but the thing is their
frequency blurs it. Yet, if you go and you take
a picture in an area and you take a random
picture where they're cloaked, they are so busy altering their

(02:41:48):
frequency to make them cloak, just like a hummingbird does
with its wings at a bird feeder. That's why you
can't see the wings, but you just see the body
that they don't try to mess with the digital cam.
The worst thing that ever happened for us trying to
get pictures of them are the digital cameras. It makes
it too easy to be messed with, and the digital

(02:42:09):
cameras are too sensitive too. Photographing the high frequency it
blurs it. I don't care what it is, what kind
of crypti, it automatically blurs it. Where when Patty was filmed,
that was with the old reels of film footage, there
was no digital anything.

Speaker 1 (02:42:31):
Do you think we'll ever get another good video?

Speaker 4 (02:42:35):
I'm not going to say, Well, here's the thing. When
I worked on the Genome project. We did have clear video.
It was crystal clear. Extremely expensive cameras were used and
they were photographed and they didn't know it was being photographed.
And there are some beautiful, beautiful footage of Bilda and

(02:42:57):
nobody believed it. So I don't think it's impossible to
get it. If the distance is far enough and you
just have like that lens that you know makes it
look closer, which is what they did, and you have
the extremely expensive camera, you can probably get it. But people,
unless they do it themselves, they refuse to believe it.

(02:43:18):
And there's been so much hoaxing out there and forgery
and now the AI stuff that people just simply don't
want to believe it. That footage of Matilda was real.
It was as legit as it comes. And I've seen
video over I've seen the different footages of her and
it was clear, and those pictures were as clear as

(02:43:40):
the Patterson Gimlin, if not clearer, and it was ridiculed
and trashed and it was just it was tragic because
those were one hundred percent legit, and we I mean
Adrian Erickson, I believe it was. His footage was blessed
have even gotten it, and if I remember correctly, there

(02:44:03):
was many months of work and time and money that
went into being able to get that, and nobody believed it,
which is just a travesty because it's really just exquisite pictures.

Speaker 1 (02:44:15):
Over Were those pictures ever released to the public.

Speaker 4 (02:44:22):
Yes, there were more, to my knowledge, that were going
to be released, and they were pulled because there was
no point. A lot of this is what people don't realize.
A lot of information on that study could have come
out had people behave themselves. The paper was out everybody,

(02:44:44):
not everybody, because we did have a lot of supporters.
We have a lot of supporters for the Cryptogenome project
that's underway right now, and for that I'm extremely blessed
and grateful. But there were photos put out. There was
a short video clip of her as well, and then
there was one very clear that was used I believe

(02:45:05):
with a special lens to bring it closer of her face,
and she happened to be the type that did look
like at Chebacca. Okay, they're all different, some of them
look like that. It's just a fact. And there was
another one of her walking that was phenomenal and every
bit as clear as Patty's every bit is clear, and

(02:45:27):
the video footage was too. There was one of her
laying down taking a nap and you could counter respirations
and people were so cruel and so hateful that after
a while, and I have to respect Adrian for this,
the choice was made to take them down and what

(02:45:47):
footage he had that I had heard he was going
to release for the project was withdrawn. And I don't
blame him. I have the utmost respect for him. Why
would you put your self through the hate that we had.
There was no reason to. Nobody was going to listen nobody.
They had already determined it was going to be fake
before it ever came out. And then when it did,

(02:46:11):
we had and you know, I said, we had a
lot of supporters. We had a lot of people that
were grateful that they were able to see this video
in the photos and were right there rooting for everybody
on the team, And for that, I'm very grateful. But
the hate that came through was so violent and volatile

(02:46:31):
and death threats and everything else that the decision was
made to pull the rest. But there was a lot
of information that would have been released after that study
if the hate people had not gotten to the point
where it was now physically unsafe for everybody on the team,
myself included.

Speaker 1 (02:46:53):
What made it feel unsafe the death.

Speaker 4 (02:46:56):
Threats, not only government death threats, but from the public.

Speaker 1 (02:47:00):
Why would somebody give death threats over proving or disproving
a sasquatch is real?

Speaker 4 (02:47:07):
At that time when we did it, I think it
was twenty thirteen on Valentine's Day. We released it either
thirteen or fourteen, but I'm quite certain it was thirteen.
At that point in time. The amount of jealousy and
I'm going to do it first in the cryptid world

(02:47:27):
was just ridiculous. And when doctor Ketchum did this, you're
talking about a woman. They kept saying, well, she's only
a vat That woman is the most brilliant person I've
ever met in my life. She's not only a VET,
she's a DNA specialist. She's more than qualified. If anybody
would actually take a look at her list, you know,
I'm not only accomplishments, but of what she can do.

(02:47:51):
And they never even really wanted to hang around to
find out the great links that were used for this
study to make sure that these samples were clean. I've
yet to see another study that has gone through the
links that she did for that, and it was everybody
was surprised. The whole thing came down to two things.

(02:48:13):
It had three percent in human on the mother's side,
and the fact that it was a woman that came
out with it. She came out of nowhere and she
did what nobody else could do or has been able
to duplicate sense, and she pulled the genomes which nobody
else has done, and she got the truth. And not

(02:48:34):
only did she get truth, I didn't know her at
the time. I didn't even know the study was going on.
I was told by the Sasquatch to find her. They
didn't give me your name. They said, the woman with
the light colored hair, she knows the truth about us.
You have to help her so that everybody knows we
are not monsters, we are not nephlum, and we are
people like you. And that's what I was told. So

(02:48:57):
I set about looking for anybody that knew anything about
some study. Because I stay away from all of that.
I stay in the woods with my groups. I help people,
and I kind of stay away from all the big
crowds and getting into everything. I don't even watch the
big foot shows, and so somebody said, I know exactly

(02:49:17):
what study and who's doing it. Her name is doctor
melbur Ketchum, and I said, please give her my number.
I'm not going to hound her or track her down.
They told me to help her. This is above my
pay grades. Great, I'm not a scientist. I don't know
how I can help her, but I will if I can.
And she called me. We talked. Many weeks went by,
and finally she said, you've never asked me for the results.

(02:49:38):
Why And I said, I already know the results because
they told me. I knew what they were years ago
because they told me what they were. And they said,
you got it right, So what is the point in
asking you, because if you got it right, you're gonna
have the same info I have, which she did. But
it came out of nowhere. Nobody was prepared for the results.
The team wasn't even prepared for the results. When they

(02:49:59):
got they were just as shocked as everybody else. But
the video there was on the website which is being
updated so it's not even upright now because it's being redone.
But the video of Matilda was on there, as well
as two photos, and they were crystal clear. There was

(02:50:22):
no way to mistake it. There was anything blurrying it.
You know, when the ones doing a respiration. She was
laying under a tree taking a nap, and with the
lens that could pull the photo to it, the camera
was able to be far enough away so it wasn't
altered by her frequency and they came out beautifully and

(02:50:44):
nobody was going to believe it. And I think that
if we get pictures now, the same thing happens. I
think if certain people got them all of a sudden,
it would be this momentous thing. And that's great, but
it's already been done.

Speaker 1 (02:50:58):
Now the Matilda video, that's the where she's on the
ground sleeping.

Speaker 4 (02:51:02):
Right, yes, yes, And that was done so they could counter.

Speaker 1 (02:51:06):
Respirations right right.

Speaker 4 (02:51:09):
She actually was not that old as big as she was,
she was not that old.

Speaker 1 (02:51:15):
And where was she filmed?

Speaker 4 (02:51:18):
That I cannot release, right, But yeah, it was a
lot of work went into that, a lot of time,
a lot of money, a lot of energy of working
with that group. And I was not part of that
in any way, shape or form. That was done before

(02:51:40):
I came into it, but I do know people that
were and it was incredible the work that they got.

Speaker 1 (02:51:46):
Robin, it's that time, all ready to say good night
to you and a big thank you once again for
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