Aug. 22/25 - Filming UFOs in L.A. with John Billingslea - Spaced Out Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, and welcome to the radio and podcast side of
spaced Out Radio. Tonight. My name is Dave Scott. We're
gonna talk with lawyer John Billingsley as he is on
the search for what the heck are UFOs? What are they?
He wants to know. I want to know, you want
to know, So we're gonna find out. We're gonna get
started here momentarily, but first we are in roll call

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ten percent happier by visiting Chive Charities today. You can
find them on our website. We're gonna have an amazing
show tonight. Lawyer John Billingsley will join us from the
beautiful state of California to talk about UFOs. Then in

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our number three swamp dweller will kick things off, followed
up by Little Lee Strauss, who's back home. We could
go today. He was in town here right here at
SRS headquarters as we were getting ready for an investigation
in a flight twenty one. But we're gonna bring in
our good friend John Billingsley right now because this is

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his first time on this show. He's based out of
Los Angeles. He's an attorney. John Billingsley, who also operates
a YouTube channel called blatch Key Hustle video recorded a
large UFO shape like a pyramid that was huffering in
the sky near his home during the evening of November thirtieth.
This sighting, when coupled with numerous other recent strange sightings

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across the globe, begs the question what's really going on? Yeah,
we're gonna talk to John about this short, sweet intro
just like we like it. John Billingsley, Welcome to spased
Out Radio. How are you, my friend.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
I'm doing well, Dave. Thank you very much for having me.
You're your funny. I like your show. I appreciate being here.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Thanks well, we appreciate having you here, my friend. And
you know, I gotta ask you right off the bat.
You know, did you always believe in the UFOs or
did you think that there was something that was just
science fiction?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Oh? No, I had the good fortune of being raised
by hippies, so you know, I grew up practicing tk ben,
trying to bend spoons, going going to you know, psychic festivals,
all of those things. That's just that's been in my
bones since I could walk. So I've always known that

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there's more to this world. But you know, you mentioned
my career path, so for you know, a good while,
I sort of shut that off and kind of went
the straight and narrow path. And then I got to
an age at a point in my career where I
could sort of comfortably get back into my own natural

(04:53):
skin and start investigating things a little more. But yeah,
I've kind of been there since day one.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
What do you love about this subject or the subjects
in general of the strange supernatural?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
You know, that's a good question. Thanks. I think one
of the things I like about it is that, well,
there's two things. Number One, it brings with it a
sense of humility, right because we don't know anything, and
so I think that's a really, really humble, good place

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to be. And you know, if you can kind of
check your ego, it's it's it's nice. It's like everybody's
in the same boat. Because we're all searching for answers,
and I think that brings a commonality to mankind that
we don't always have otherwise. So that's one of the
things I appreciate about the space.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
When you kind of you know, grew up in that
hippie type household as you put it, I mean having
opened mind to parents saying, hey, just keep your mind
open to the realm of possibilities. What was that like,
having the opportunity to free your mind because so many
of us grew up in such closed minded households. I
know I did.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Huh. Well, you know, I think for most people, myself included,
you don't know any different, right, So whatever your your
existence is as a child, at least you tend to
think that's everybody's existence, like it's the norm. So I
didn't realize until later in life that I was as
fortunate as I was that, you know, to have parents

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taking me to you know, psychic festivals and teaching me
how to visualize and meditate and you know, believing in
the ability to manifest Like. I didn't know that that
was different. I just thought that's what life was. And
so again it was only until I really became a teenager.

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I guess when I realized that that I kind of
looked at things a bit a bit differently than other people.
And you know, like I grew a lot a lot
of people know this story who you know, listen to
me on my channel. But I grew up going to
Catalina Island for camp every summer, and there's you know,
a contrary to the La Basin, which is full of light,

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when you get out to Catalina Island, there's no light pollution.
And so, you know, as an elementary school kid, I
grew up in the darkness of Catalina seeing all of
this stuff shooting across our sky and even in the water.
I grew up out in the waters snorkeling, seeing things
darting around underwater, coming in and out of the water,

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and was just normal. I didn't question it. I just
I knew because my parents told me we're not alone,
We're small in this universe. There's so much too, you know,
to learn and to observe. I just thought I was
out there learning and seeing things that everyone is seeing.
And then you know, I kind of got a little

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older and realized that some of my views weren't standard,
and you know, not everybody had that same disposition.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, prior to you having your sighting, and we're going
to get into that and a little bit later in
the show. What did you know about UFOs? What did
you think they were?

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Well, that's a good question. I think it depends on
when in my life, you know, because early on, I think,
and I was probably my disposition was shaped sort of
by star wars and things. I just presumed that there
were craft coming from their solar systems. I mean, and

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there was a whole world out there and we're just
one little, tiny little planet on the outskirts of some federation.
You know. I bought into the whole thing. So I
just presumed that that's what they were. And then I
am more recently, you know, in the last ten fifteen years,
I guess I started to question, you know, consciousness and

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what is like kind of coming to grips with the
fact that we as humans, we overlay our understanding of
science on everything and our viewpoints on everything. So we
talk about well, as it all carbon based life form
needs this, and you can't go as faster than the
speed of light because of this, and you get these

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weird little boxes like that. We've put ourselves in and
I realized, you know, listening to the need of the
grass Tysons and some of these other people and saying
to myself like, oh, you know, we're bound by our
own knowledge, or really our lack of knowledge. And once
I realized how little we actually know, that's when I

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started to wonder if maybe they're creatures or some sort
of hybrid like maybe like we would say, well, is
it a machine or is it alive? And those are
the sort of the options, because that's all we know.
So maybe there are seven or eight other options that
we just don't are not aware of, you know. And
so ever since I've sort of had that recent epiphany,

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I've realized I know even less I thought I did,
which is great because it opens up you know, the
options even more.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Were you a big fan of hoping to see a
UFO prior to your sighting an encounter?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
No, I wasn't. I You know a lot of times
I equate what the sky has for us, I analogize
it to the ocean. And you know, one of the
analogies of that applies here is that you know, if
I'm in the water, it might be great if you know,

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a very passive calm, manta ray or sea turtle comes
up to me, and that'd be amazing. But on the
other hand, you know, it could be something else, much
more dangerous. But the through line is that I don't
have any control in either scenario, and that's kind of
how I feel about the sky. What chooses to come

(11:28):
down here or is here and shows itself and interacts
with us, we have no control over. That's kind of
how I feel, and that's a vulnerable feeling in my
for me at least.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Did you believe that people were being taken? Did you
believe the government was hiding anything? What did you know
about the subject?

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Well? I really hesitate to say no, because I really
feel like I know nothing other than they're there. We
are not alone. Not only I don't think we're alone
in a universe, because it's just statistical improbability and kind
of laughable, uh to think that. But I don't even

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think we're alone here on our planet. I mean, when
you from my perspective, you know, we can we hear
in this very limited range and we see in the
very limited range of the visual light spectrum. It's like
we are walking around in our own environment with blinders,

(12:34):
sensory blinders on. So once you accept that that's the reality,
it's sort of silly to propose that you know everything
going on around you when you're effectively have earplugs and
a blindfold on. So from my perspective, I just presume

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that there are black projects where technology and the science
has been advanced far greater than the general public is aware.
And they have they, meaning the black space world has
learned to kind of develop ways to pull out the

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ear plugs, maybe loosen the blindfold the bit so we
can see a little more in our senses are a
little open, whether it's technologically or otherwise. You know, if
it's development of like side technology side abilities like SRI
and you know, remote viewing things like that, or if

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it's more technological and it has to do with plasmoids
and developments in that field. I think the government and
the governments of the world have compartmentalized it to an
extent that and stove piped it so that nobody really
knows what's going on in totality, and that's the safest
way to keep a secret, because nobody really knows. I

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don't know if that answers.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
The question I think it does because I think it
answers the question perfectly for anybody who may be looking
at wondering what to do with this. I mean, this
is a subject where there are at least ten million
more questions to everyone answer, you know, and the answers
that we get aren't very constructive. They aren't very filled
with information, you know, we get these little tidbits just

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trying to figure out what is actually going on within
this field. And I know I talk about my frustration
about it quite a bit here. But for you, as
somebody who's relatively new looking on in to this scenario,
do you find this story exciting? Do you find it
that it is something that is you know, getting the

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juices flowing within you.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
It's caused a degree of fresh because I don't like
that having the idea that we live in an open
society and a free, democratic society, where our tax dollars
fund so much of our own existence through government entities,
and yet we're spoon fed information and there are gatekeepers

(15:19):
that decide what information we're entitled to and that we
can handle. That is off putting and a bit offensive
to me. And I agree with you in your description
of my kind of place in this area. I'm newer
to it. I've always been aware of it, but I've

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gotten to, like I said, a stage in my life
and my career where I can kind of be, you know,
embrace it more and dedicated a little more time to
these questions and things. And what I've come away with
is a degree of frustration because so much, so many
many times I've said in videos or interviews where I

(16:03):
wish everything was on the table and we're all working
with all of the facts and all of the evidence
and information, because we could get to yes and put
things together so much easier and quicker, if you know,
we weren't being spoon fed and misled with disinformation and
everything has to be in a skiff. But once you

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hear it, you can't repeat it. I mean, there are
all of these weird, you know, things going on where
in my view, that's not how a democratic, open society operates.
So it's just a frustrating situation.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
And somebody who's kind of an outsider looking in on this,
how do you pick a side to follow? Because there
are so many different sides? Do you fology, there's the
scientific side, there's the government side, there's the experiential side,
how do you know who to follow?

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, that's so I appreciate that question. And you know,
I don't know. I think I think for everybody it's different, right,
And so for me, you know, like I mentioned being
you know, seven eight years old and seeing things coming
in and out of the ocean in southern California, all
the way to now being fifty two and still having

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experiences I've my I've learned to just follow my own path,
and so like the whole concept of disclosure is almost
moved to me because I don't need some appointed or
elected official to ratify what I already know. That's for

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other people, so I don't necessarily I find it interesting.
I follow the science side. I'm i'm. I like to
listen to Abby Lowbe, I like to listen to doctor Nolan.
I take it all in, and I think it's important
that we not push away any one particular area, you know,

(18:03):
like you mentioned the experiencers, And I was actually guilty
of this myself. There was I'm not particularly religious, and
so for a long time that was just like a
blind spot for me as it relates to the phenomena
in UFOs. But now after listening to Diana Pasoka and
reading some books and opening up to that, I realized that, oh,

(18:27):
that was a blind spot. I was sort of you know,
I had this predisposition towards it, and it helps me
fill in the gap because now personally I start I'm
starting to think that what people were seeing and describing
as angels two thousand years ago might not have been angels,
but that's just what they described them as, and I
would not have That's a recent revelation for me, recent

(18:52):
meeting the last you know, five years or so, because
I opened up to that aspect of it. So I
think the key answer to your question and is not
for me not to follow anybody in particular, march my
own path, but take in all of the information from
all sources.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
How much fun do you have a learning about this subject.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
I'm really enjoying it, and it's funny because you though,
the more I look and investigate, the more questions I
have and the more I realize I don't know, And
I can see how for some people that that could
be a there could be a darkness there because you
start to you can I can see how some people
might spiral and feel like, oh, you know, I just

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you just realize, like, oh my gosh, I'm over my skis.
I don't know who are we, where do we come from?

Speaker 5 (19:46):
What?

Speaker 1 (19:47):
You know?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Are we lab rats? Are we in a Petri dish?
There are all these weird things that come up. But
I think also that you know, I mentioned manifestation and
that visualizing being some of the things I grew up with,
and so I personally believe that, you know, if I
want this to be a positive experience, then it's up

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to me to make it positive. And so I choose
to focus on the things that are interesting and fun
and exciting, and there are a ton of positives to it.
So that's that's what I tend to do.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Do you consider yourself a UFO researcher? Do you consider
yourself somebody who is going to get really deep into
this to get your questions answered? Because I can imagine
being an attorney that you are, that you probably have
a mind like I do as a journalist, where your
mind is running at about one hundred miles an hour

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trying to figure out the answers to some of the
questions you have.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's funny because I try it
in a lot of ways to turn that side of
my brain off and operate more based on feel and intuition.
And like a lot of the times I record areas
of the sky, not because I see something, but because

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I feel I have something's telling me or compelling me
to I just have a sense. And then I'll just
record for one minute an area of the sky and
then go on about my day. And then when I'm
decompressing and downloading after my work day and my kids
are asleep and all that stuff, and I have a
little time, I pull up the one minute video and
I scrub through it slowly, and I break the screen

(21:33):
down into quadrants, and I review the sixty seconds over
and over slowly. And it's the strangest thing because invariably
I find something odd that I can't readily explain. And
so but that all comes from us, that all comes
from a feel or intuitive base where I'm trying to

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leave the logical side of me out of it. And
it seems like that that intuition has, you know, following
it has has paid off. It seems.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Do you look at yourself as really delving into the
research aspect, because I think you're doing your own thing,
But there is a lot of crossover with that.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, you know, I think you're right about that, and
I might. I haven't had that question before put to
me before, and I think I might hesitate in calling
myself a researcher because there's a certain in my head,
in my mind, there's a certain degree of legitimate legitimacy

(22:42):
that comes with, you know, being a researcher, like if
you're a cancer researcher or you know, whatever it is.
That to me, that just that sounds like legitimate. And
I don't, you know, maybe it's a self confidence issue
on my part, but I don't. I don't see myself
as being that legitimate. I see myself more along the

(23:04):
lines of somebody who's capturing stuff and doesn't have answers
for it, and so I want to share it with
other people and see if they have answers. I love, so,
I guess, and you know, I just I want a
round table everything and say, look, guys, look everybody, look
at this is. Look what I found. Can somebody tell
me what this is? And to me, that's interesting, you.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Know, And you know what, I love the honest, candid
answer because I think so many people in this field
feel they need to title themselves, and you know, it
is something that they are to try and add credibility
to who they are. And to have you coming in
here and say, no, I'm not this, I'm just a
guy who's interested in this subject. I think it's fantastic

(23:49):
and absolutely refreshing John, that you have the ability to say, look,
I'm doing this for myself. I'm not here to be
a researcher. I'm not here to you know, self title
or anything like that. I mean, good for you for
doing it that way.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Well, thanks, I appreciate I appreciate that. And you know
that that's a nice little segue because it gives me
an opportunity to sort of explain the backstory with this
well channel. You know, like if I.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Hold on to hold on to that backstory, we're gonna
go to break. I want you to come back, tell
your backstory about how this all started. We have attorney
John Billingsley out of California. This guy is literally looking
for UFOs, not for the money, not for the fame,
but just for his own curiosity. Refreshing, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (24:53):
All?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Right? There we go? We are clear?

Speaker 4 (24:59):
All right?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
We got about five minutes. John sounds good, Thank you,
no problem. Good start.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
This is fun. You're asking really good questions. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Thank you, appreciate it. Appreciate it. B Arthur, how you
doing tonight? Your voice was golden on your show. Uh
huh yeah. My orange shirt is a little bright tonight.
But that's okay, It's okay. I like this one. I

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don't think we have these on this store anymore on
our website. UFOs and tacos good combination. Have you always

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lived in Cali? John?

Speaker 4 (26:00):
H Uh yeah, for the most part. I mean I
was born overseas as my dad was a captain of
the army, so I was born in Germany, but we
came back when I was pretty young. Uh yeah. I
lived in San Francisco for a few years and then
back then then down here.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Well very nice, very nice. I've always been in BC here.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Were you born there?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah? I was born just outside of Vancouver.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
H all right.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
You know I had I was going through my laptop
without realizing it and then I shut it off, and
that's when the connection seemed to work itself out right
before you asked me to turn my camera off. So
if you want me to try turning it.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, we can try turning it back on. Absolutely, there
we go.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Yeah, I mean, if it gets wonky, I'll just you know,
try to think off.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
No problem, let's give it a try. Cool, all right,

(27:47):
this is fun tonight. First hand accounts are my absolute favorite.
I could sit there and talk to researchers all night long,
but to get first hand accounts, that's what I love.
Makes so for such a better show.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
HM. Makes you wonder how many people have had these
accounts in just you know, pre twenty seventeen, with the
article in New York Times wherever. It's like, how many
people have just kept it to themselves?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, just making sure nobody. I haven't missed
anybody in the chat room yet, because I have this
add about me where I have to make sure I

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say hello and welcome everybody in the chat room. Hey,
t Bone, we got about a minute and a half here.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Okay, if the connection gets squirrely, I'm just gonna go
off with the camera and hopefully.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Oh you're much better now than you were before, much
better now. Nice goatee. Appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Thank you. I'm humbled by your beard.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Soh my, I still don't believe I can't believe I
have it. Darryl Stanley, how you doing all right? We
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Lawyer John Billingsley is here. This is a guy who
just you know, crept up on eufology, always had an interest,
but then started seeing something strange in the sky, got
his camera out and lo and behold, he may have aliens.

(31:43):
He might have some aliens. John, How you doing, my friend?

Speaker 4 (31:47):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I'm doing great, all right. What led you to all
of a sudden start putting a camera to the sky?
Not sky's people, because there's only one sky out there,
Sorry pet peeve out there. I'm a red pen that way, okay, John?
What made you start to put a camera to the
sky and start seeing if you could film some high stranges.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
So in twenty sixteen, actually twenty fifteen, I was in
a car accident and I was pretty banged up, and
I had a few surgeries. Long story short, A buddy
of mine wanted to see my elbow surgery. He's like, hey,
how's it healing. Let me see, and I was in
my car. The sunroof was open, and I just took

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my phone and took a picture of my elbow and
sent it to him and I'm like, here, this is
what it looks like. It is a few days postops,
so it was kind of gross, stitches everywhere. And he
texts me back and he's like, what's that up there
in the through your sun roof? And I look at
the picture and I zoom in and it looks like

(32:54):
a UFO that's up in the sky that I happened
to take a picture of and I didn't even know,
and so yeah, and you know, I showed it to people,
and you know, this was pre twenty seventeen with the
article in the New York Times, so people are, you know,
in the courtroom hallways and things like, oh, there's the

(33:15):
UFO guy and there I was getting mocked a little bit,
and you know, it's not the end of the world.
But it also caused me not to share that picture
with anybody any so I kept it to myself. And
then fast forward to really January twenty twenty four, and

(33:36):
I was watching your show and you had doctor Robert
Schife on of the Custodian file YouTube channel. And you know,
when you're listening to something and you hear somebody who's
local to you because he's in Marina del Rey, which is,
you know, not far from me at all, you know,
you tend to listen like, oh, there's a hometown guy,

(33:56):
what's he talking about? And so I listened, and then
I was kind of perplexed by what he was saying,
and so I gave it that a go and started
recording aircraft because that was his sort of his approach.
And then I started going and I was seeing things,
and then I went back to my own footage that
I already had, like, well, what are the odds of this? Is?

(34:17):
You know, just trying to put it all together basically.
But the reason the channel is called that Latchkey Hustle
is because my sister and I had totally other plans
to do something totally different, absolutely unrelated to this whole area.

(34:37):
We were going to do, you know, a podcast basically
or a YouTube show just for fun about you know,
being like last yea kids grown up in the seventies
and the eighties in Los Angeles and what those sort
of those unique building blocks, what type of a human
adult that turns you into. And so that's why the

(34:58):
channel is called Lashie Hustle because that's what our thing was.
But your show with doctor Robert Schip landed right in
the middle of what my sister and I were doing,
and so the channel name, all of the infrastructure was there,
the framework was there. And I told her, I'm like, look,
this is what's going on. And I showed her some

(35:19):
videos and this and that, and I go, I don't know,
I feel like the universe is telling me I need
to pursue this. This is a strange thing. And my sister,
to her credit, basically just said, go ahead, do what
you're going to do. Use all the framework we have
set up, use the email, the channel name, use it all.
When you're ready for you and I to get back
to doing what we're going to do, we'll do it.

(35:40):
I'll be here. And you know, that was a year
and a half ago, and since then, I've posted over
one hundred videos of things I see in the sky.
So that's why the channel name has nothing to do,
you know, with the topic at all, because it wasn't

(36:00):
designed for the topic.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
That's all right, you have a place to put it.
People are finding your videos. So when you put the
camera up in the sky, do you have a feeling
like you were summoning in UFOs? Because the whole psionics
aspect has kind of taken off the last number of months.
And I'm a firm believer in summoning. I don't believe

(36:24):
in the fancy words that you know. Government people try
to change these things too, but that's just me. I'm
old and cranky that way. And I will say this, though,
do you feel that you were summoning in these craft.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
To a degree? Yes, I'm a huge believer in the
power of intention, and there have been several instances where
I've I've had and expressed an intention to capture something
or to have an experience, and then it's happened. And

(36:59):
you know, when when you do that solo and there's
no one around, it's sort of like, you know, the
fish that got away or the does a tree in
the does a tree falling into the forest make it sound?
So I started telling my wife because I felt like
I needed some sort of not validation, but I wanted

(37:20):
verification from a third party source. And so my wife
and I like to go to Lake Arrowhead and a
couple of years ago, I told her we're going to
have an experience when we go, you know, just for
a weekend away and I go, we're going to see something.
I don't know what it is when something's gonna happen.

(37:40):
And sure enough, we're on the balcony of where we're
staying and it's at night and she I didn't spot it.
She did. She's like, look at that, and there's this
big orb and it's just moving over the lake so
slowly and it's changing color, making zero sound. I start
recording it. And the point of me telling you this

(38:04):
story now is because I went to Lake Arrowhead with
a strong feeling that that was going to happen. There
was an intention there, and I think there was a
relationship between that intention and that experience happening.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
How did you learn how to call in these craft?

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Well, I don't know. If I frame it that way,
that's like that that's a very powerful thing.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
But that's what you're doing. It's okay to admit that
that's what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Right. Well, I'll tell you so. I personally enjoyed doing
very very difficult things. Just one of the things that
motivates me or keeps me sharp is adversity, and it

(38:56):
also helps me in my career because it makes things
that would be stressful and difficult at work otherwise less
stressful and less less difficult. So I do things that
are hard intentionally, Like I take ice baths and they're
not comfortable. I'm not a cold I don't like the cold,
but I do it because the adversity strengthens me. And

(39:19):
so over the years of learning that about myself, I've
realized how powerful we as humans are. And so to
answer your question, I feel like we are creators of
our own reality. To a large degree. I don't want to.
You know, someone might say, well, why don't you just

(39:39):
win the lottery and have no bills and live happened
the other after I'm not saying it that way. But
for me, I know that I can create the experiences
I'm going to have in my life to a large degree,
I can affect them. Life isn't happening to me. A

(40:00):
lot of people sort of like, well, those are the breaks,
and this is what happened. And I personally believe that
I create my own good luck and my own experiences,
and so I just put in I visualize, I see
things that I want to happen. I see them happening
before they've happened. And I can give you an example

(40:22):
if you'd like. So this isn't about UFOs necessarily, but
I grew up playing sports and I've always been an athlete,
and a friend of mine last year basically was like, look,
I know you like doing hard stuff. My friends and
I run the LA Marathon every year, and do you
want to run it with us? And you know, I've

(40:45):
had a knee replacement, I've had a lot of trauma
in my body physically. But that's a perfect example of
something where it's I knew it's going to be hard,
it's not going to be particularly enjoyable, but I thrive
in those adverse scenarios, and so I agreed to do it.
But I didn't train because of my prosthetic basically internal

(41:09):
prosthetic knee. I couldn't go running miles every day pounding
on a fake joint. So my way of training for
the LA Marathon was visualizing. And so I got a
map of the route, and because I grew up in La,
I could I know what a lot of those places
look like. So at night I would visualize myself running

(41:30):
not the entire twenty six point two miles, but starting
at Dodger Stadium, passing through Chinatown, running through the different
markers of the city that I could visualize, and then
I would get across the finish line. And every time
I did it was very emotional for me. During my visualization,
for some reason, it was extremely emotional. And so last

(41:55):
March seventeenth, which was Saint Patrick's Day, I ran the
only marathon and I felt like I was reliving a
memory of something that had already happened. And when I
crossed the finish line, this flood of emotion came and
I was in tears, and just like I had visualized it,

(42:19):
everything happened the way I had visualized it. And on paper,
I shouldn't have been able to finish a marathon with
a total knee replacement fifty years old, not a runner,
at least not a distance runner. There's no reason on
paper I should have had no business out there. But

(42:39):
my disposition is that if I can visualize it and
commit to that process, then I could do anything. And
so that's an example that translates into this space, because
when I feel like I want to see something I'm
going to That's the disposition I bring to the process.

(43:00):
And more often than not, I find these weird things
in the sky.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
What are you seeing out there?

Speaker 4 (43:14):
While I'm seeing black blobs that split into more than
one and then they'll come back together, I'm seeing these
shimmery things that change color and don't have any obvious
sign of propulsion or any steering or stabilization mechanisms. I

(43:36):
see things that are going so fast that you don't
see them with the naked eye, and even watching it
on video, you'll only see that you scrub through, going
frame by frame. It's like, and I've seen things that
seem to morph into other things, Like there'll be ten

(43:57):
frames where it just looks like a silver orb and
then all of a sudden, it looks like it sprouts
wings black, and then it splits into two, comes back together,
and then turns into a silver orb again. And the
interesting thing about those is that if you don't zoom
in and you played at normal speed, it just looks
like a bird. But once you actually look at it

(44:20):
slowly and closely, you realize that this isn't a bird.
It's not a bird. Or in the same thing with clouds,
some of the best videos I have that I enjoy
the most. I call them not clouds, because there are
these things that look like clouds and they go from
one to the other, one cloud to the other, and
they shoot go and they go so fast, and there's

(44:40):
no way to see them within naked eye. But if
you have the inclination to look, and you're going to
take the time to go frame by frame and zoom in,
like I kind of described earlier, you're gonna see that
there's so much going on, just like if we went
into the ocean. You know, you're just like, all of
a sudden, it's teeming with life. We didn't know it existed.
And or you look into a microscope. That's another analogy

(45:05):
I use. I feel like the camera technology now is
a kin to a microscope. It's a tool that we're
able to use to zoom in and slow down and
see an environment differently, just like a microscope allowed us
to look and all of a sudden, we're like, oh,
there's a whole microbial world there that we didn't know about.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, you mentioned that you had filmed a cube shaped object.
What was this like.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
A pyramid type or a part Yeah? No, not a problem. Well,
I mean that was I don't want to say off putting,
but it was not h some things I experienced and

(45:57):
it's like this warm, positive to loving type energy, but
that's not always the case. And the pyramid wasn't it was.
It was so big, it was sort of off putting,
like something that big shouldn't be in the sky, dead

(46:18):
quiet and so yeah, and it also a lot of
things had to happen just the right moment for me
to see it. Like I was taking the trash out.
I happened to take it out, take it out through
a certain door. I happened to look up when I
don't always look up. I also happened to have my

(46:40):
phone on me, which always isn't always the case either.
A lot of little things had to happen. So you know,
that sort of makes you makes me wonder if you
know there's more to it than just seeing some random thing.
It felt a little by design in a way. So

(47:01):
there was that that to it. I there is something
else that I do We have enough time, like two minutes.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
We have about seven minutes, so we got lots of time.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Okay, So I mean I we can come back to
the pyramid if we want. But there's something else that
that uh an experience I have I had last March
and it was actually right before the week before the marathon.
I was just telling you about, which is on Saint
Patrick's Day, and I I don't know what happened to me,

(47:40):
I feel like and I don't. I'm not necessarily saying
there is an abduction, but you know, the week before
the marathon, I woke up and I was a mess.
And I don't mean like I drank the night before
or whatever, Like I woke up with a ringing in
my ear that has not left. It was like I

(48:03):
got tenetus overnight. And I also had teeth that were broken,
and my right eye vision was going away. Turned out
that it was a fully detached retina. I thought it

(48:25):
was a migraine. I thought it was a migraine, and
that's no reason not to run a marathon. So I
actually ran the marathon with a detached retina, thinking it
was just a migraine. It was just going to add
to the suck a little bit. And not that you
can see it, but I also have this sort of

(48:45):
not on my thumb and all of this I woke
up with on the thirteenth of March, ringing in my ear,
teeth broken, my right eye not working in this not
in my thumb, and I don't have any evidence to

(49:07):
suggest that it was related at all to the phenomena
or UFOs or anything that said. I also have no
evidence of anything. I don't trip and fall. I'm a
coordinated human, like, there's no nothing happened to me. But

(49:29):
it's like I woke up as if something had a
trauma had befallen me. And you know, I had a
retinal reattachment. I had to get dental work, I mean,
and like I said that the tenetists, my ears are
still ringing. I think it's going to be there for
the rest of my life. It was like a trauma
something happened to me. And so that was one that

(49:59):
was what caused me to start focusing more on other
people's footage because a lot of the things I posted
my channel, I look at other people's videos, like air
shows and some stuff from the iss or SpaceX launch.
I scrutinize other people's footage and I find stuff, and

(50:19):
I see things and then I highlight it and say, hey, everybody,
look at this, you know, and here's the link you
can go look at you look at yourself. But that
was my way of sort of stepping away because I
got freaked out by whatever it was that caused me
to wake up on the morning of the fourteenth last March,
all banged up and so, like I said, a lot

(50:41):
of these experiences are positive and loving and feel good,
but not all of them. And I to this day
I wonder if whatever happened to me was a resusult
of my entry into this space somehow or another. I
don't know how somebody wakes up with the detached retina,

(51:02):
unbroken teeth and or ringing in their ear and this
not in their tongue, you know, when they didn't even
leave the bed. It's a very very strange set of circumstances.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
We got about three minutes to go here. When you
started thinking that maybe you had an abduction? Okay did
you did you start playing it over in your head
trying to figure out if you were getting any residual
effects from it?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Well, I mean this took time. I didn't wake up
the next day and think, oh, something I was I
mean it literally took months and months of me trying
to figure out what happened. And I mean I checked
my video cam, my security cameras around the property. I
you know, checked for anomalous sightings in this in the

(51:54):
La basin that night. I did a lot of well,
I don't know if it's a lot. I did the
research that could have occur to me in order to
try to piece things together. And you know, I haven't
been able to come up with anything, but it's it's
been enough. It's had enough of an impact on me
that it's caused me to say, you know what, maybe

(52:16):
it's safer for me to analyze other people's footage and
spend more time doing that than having my own camera
to the sky, because it could be the case that
something didn't want me doing it and let me know.
So you know, I don't I don't even want to
say that I was abducted or I think I was.

(52:39):
I just know that something happened to me. My body
went through a trauma that there is no explanation for.
And you know, it's been over a year and I
still have no answers at all, and it's it's unsettling.
And you know, when we as humans engage the animal kingdom,

(53:06):
we put darts and animals to knock them out, and
then we go do what we're going to do once
they're tranquilized, and then we give them, you know, something
else to counteract the sedative. When we're done, we get
out of dodge and they wake up and they're probably
like we wake up post surgery after anesthesia, we're sort
of out of sorts. We don't remember what happened. So

(53:27):
you know, I didn't have all of those feelings. But
my point is that I wouldn't be surprised if what
we do to lesser animals is being done to us
to some degree.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I think that makes complete sense. You know, we've often
said that here as well. You know, like in reality,
how do we sit there and say what we do
to animals? You know, why should we be complaining about
what the aliens do to us, because that's how they're
conducting their science, just like we are with ours.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Right, right, I mean it stands to reason and again
that this harkens back to the beginning of our conversation
where we're overlaying this with our humanistic framework, right, and
so we're saying, well, it makes sense because it's something
we do that in and of itself is a fallacy.
It could be that they do entirely different things that

(54:21):
make zero sense to us. But this is one of
those things where it makes so much sense, and it's
it's we recognize it as humans because this is what
we do, even if it's you know, a surgery for
your dog. Yeah, you know, you knock it out and
then whatever.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
So John, I'm gonna get you in a hold on
right there. We're hard to believe. We're already through one hour.
My friend John Billingsley, he's a lawyer out of California,
but he's chasing down UFOs trying to figure out what
the heck is flying in the sky at night even
in the day.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Is faced out right here with oaks st.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
All right, John, we are clear. I'm gonna put you
in the green room for a few minutes. We're gonna
take a quick break here and then we'll be right back. Okay,
sounds good. Thanks, all right, be right back, everybody high number.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
One, USUS, USA, USUI.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Alight, hold, Davey is back. Let's bring John back in.
So far so good John, for you?

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Oh yeah, can you still hear me? All right? And
see me? Okay?

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Oh yeah, you look beautiful.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Mm hmm. All right, this is a very enjoyable conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Thanks again for having me, No, thank you for doing
this man, We really appreciate it. All right, Night drive,
how you doing? Thanks for coming on in? Who else
has joined us late?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
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lawyer out of California. He doesn't consider himself a UFO researcher,

(01:02:34):
but he sits out at night looking for UFOs. He's
even summoned them in and John, we need to talk
a little bit more about that as we go here,
because it is such an interesting topic about summoning. I
know we touched on it a little bit earlier, but
we will get back to it. But first, how many
UFOs do you think you've been able to catch.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Well from a technical active A lot, because there are
a lot of things that are in the air and unidentified.
The only question is whether they're flying or not, Because
flying is a technical term in itself and requires lift
and all this other I don't want to nerd out
over it. The point the answer is a lot. There's
a lot of stuff going on in our sky, over

(01:03:18):
our heads and around us that I think we just
don't know about or don't see.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Do you think, out of what you've caught, that it's
all et type craft or do you think some of
it may be homegrown?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
I think there's probably three categories. The stuff we don't
really know about, you call et craft or NHI or whatever.
There's also the man made things, particularly around here in
the La Basin. Like I mentioned, Catalina Island is literally
back there, and twelve miles this way is NASA JPL.

(01:04:05):
And then right on the other side of the mountains
here is the California High Desert. So you have Lockheed
raytheon all of those companies, and the Mountain Range here.
I live in the foothills. This is like the playground
for all of their Black Project toys. And you see
stuff around, and you hear things from time to time,

(01:04:28):
sound barriers getting broken when they shouldn't. There's no real reason.
There's a lot of weird stuff that happens around here.
So I think there's actual NHI type things that you know,
we all are interested in. There's the man made stuff
we're not supposed to know about, are not supposed to see.

(01:04:48):
And I also think there's another category, which is creatures,
natural creatures in our environment that we're just not aware yet.
And it's like, you know, a cuddlefish has these abilities,
an octopus or a chameleon. There are animals that we

(01:05:09):
are aware of that have abilities that we don't have
and allow them to perform in ways that seem almost
magical to us, right, And so there's a record of
those things existing. There's so that to me means there's

(01:05:30):
unless you're going to say we we as humans, have
discovered everything there is to discover on this planet, which
is a pretty absurd proposition. Unless you're going to take
that position, you have to then say, well, there could
be other things with skill sets and abilities that are
beyond us. And I think there's things in our environment

(01:05:55):
that we just don't understand, and whether it's because we
can't see in the that light spectrum, or it's a
vibratory thing and they operated the higher frequency that we
can't get to. I just think that our world is
more full than we know of. And so that's another

(01:06:15):
category I think exists, you know. And it's like, you know,
when they found a mountain gorilla, nobody said, like I assume,
nobody was like, where did this thing come from? They
just they said, oh, this is something we found. The
assumption is it's been here all along, we just found it.
Now we didn't know about it. Now we know. And
I think there's a lot of things that are going

(01:06:36):
to fall into that category as we evolve and continue on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
What kind of creatures do you think they are that
we may not have discovered? Like what have you seen
that you think might not be ours but might be
something of this planet?

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
That's a good question. And it's almost like saying, you know,
trying to figure out you know, like coming up with
a color, you like, inventing a new color. It's like,
how do you do that? How do you get your
brain around it? Right? But there are things that I've
seen on camera that are repeated. They're not one off,

(01:07:17):
so it's not a one time thing. It's like there's
a type of something that zips around here and it
looks like an amoeba, and it's like a tetrahedroen, and
it has all these sides to it, and they go
so fast, and they change color and they dip in

(01:07:40):
and out, and it seems like they're disappearing. And I
know a lot of people in the comments on my
channel will say like, oh, these are interdimensional, and I
don't know if they are not to My impression is
that it's like I mentioned before, it's frequency based and
they are just changing their frequency and so we can
see them and then we cannot see them. They're not disappearing.

(01:08:01):
They're there the whole time. It's just a matter of
our ability to perceive them from a sensory perspective. And
so I just don't think I think it's presumptuous for
humans to say we have discovered all of the things
that are around us when we also admit that we
cannot see everything that's around us, and we can't hear

(01:08:25):
above a certain vescibel or below a certain descible. There's
all these sensory limitations we admit. But on the other hand,
we're also shocked, you know, at the notion that there
might be things in our environment that we're not aware of. Also,
every other day you see something online about a new
frog found in the Amazon, or a new fish somewhere

(01:08:47):
or whatever. It's like, we're constantly finding new things, but
it's almost off putting to people when it's a new
thing that defies the known laws of physics.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
We talk about a creature out there because you have
actually had a sasquatch encounter.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
I have, yeah, And so I should preface it by
saying two things. Number One, going back to that hippie
upbringing with my great parents, you know, Bo and Cecilia
are amazing humans, and they've they've fostered a belief in

(01:09:32):
me where it's like everything we read like Jack and
the bean Stock and it's like giants, Sure, why can't
giants be real? And this thing and nothing. And my
parents never was like, oh, that's just a story. So
Bigfoot fell right into that whole thing. So when Andre
the Giant was Bigfoot with the six million dollar man,

(01:09:52):
I was all about it. I was like, that makes sense.
So again, I think it's one of these things where
if if your mind is attuned to accepting these things,
you're more likely to see them. Conversely, if you are stifled,
and you're you've grown up in an environment where that's

(01:10:14):
all make believe in fairy tales and that can't be real.
Then your brain is not going to observe things because
it's going to subconsciously rule them out before it gets
to your conscious brain. That's just my assessment of it.
So in twenty seven or two thousand and seven, my

(01:10:35):
wife and I were in Portland visiting some friends. Another
couple of ours that were in LA and moved, and
so we went up to Portland for the weekend. And
there's a lodge called Scamania Lodge. And I don't know
the Pacific Northwest that well, but it is in. It's
out there, you know. It was a great drive getting

(01:10:57):
from Portland to Schimenia Lodge and my budd he and
I had a tea time. So we played around a
golf at the lodge and it's the woods are very,
very thick, and so We're coming up on the green
on one of the holes and I'm helping my friend

(01:11:18):
look for his ball and I look over and the
only reason I saw this thing is because there was movement.
Like once the movement stopped, I immediately was convincing myself
that I didn't see what I felt like I saw

(01:11:39):
and I just stared, and what I saw was there
are two really I don't know what type of trees
they are, but there are two really really big trees.
And it was something that was like like the side
the width of refrigerator, and it was going like this,
like the whole thing was moving just like this from

(01:12:02):
side to side, and I the size was awesome, like
I've never I've met Shaq a few times. I think
he's the biggest human I've ever been around. I've you know,
I met some NBA and NFL players and hung out

(01:12:24):
with them a little nothing. This isn't This is not like, oh,
it's a taller version of Shack. It's not. It's not comparable.
It's like a different thing. And I tried to get
my friend Steve's attention and he I was going, Steve, Steve, Steve,

(01:12:48):
and I didn't hear him, like like he didn't react,
and I turned and I'm like Steve, and I turned
back gone and the same obviously, the same trees were there,
but this massive thing that was in between the trees
in like the blink of an eye, was not there anymore.

(01:13:09):
And it was daylight. It was you know, you could
see through the trees like goalposts. And I shouldn't say
a blink of an eye. It was like the at
length of time you go, Steve, hey, Steve, look, So
maybe a second a second and a half. But you know,
for something that large to I mean, either move that

(01:13:32):
whether it maybe it didn't move, maybe it phased out,
maybe like we're talking about vibration, maybe it cloaked. I
don't There was no sound. That's the other thing. Something
that big, you would think you would hear it leaving,
especially at that speed that it seemed to have disappeared at.
But I didn't see anything leaving departing. I didn't hear anything.

(01:13:55):
I didn't hear something scaling a tree. I literally turned
and I to this day I wish I hadn't heard,
but I did, and I turned back and it was gone.
But there is no question that I saw something big, hairy,

(01:14:15):
bipedal released. It was on two legs, had no neck whatsoever.
Just it was like head to shoulders and like I said,
it was like the size of a refrigerator. And we
went back out there the next day. We're there for
the whole weekend. That round of golf was on day one.
We went back out the next day because I wanted

(01:14:37):
to see the distance between the two trees and it
was just under five feet, So this thing was over
four feet wide, And.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Yeah, did it have the conical shaped head?

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
I I can't say that it did. I mean, you know,
it's tough because you got to fight against what you
what you think it should look like, and you're, you know,
going back. Your mine wants to paint in details that
but I honestly don't recall whether it did or didn't.
What I was taken by was the size with wise.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yeah, when I had my close encounter in twenty thirteen
with two of the creatures, the second one. The first
one was hiding behind a tree and was kind of
peering out and then pulling back in, peering out, pulling
back in behind the tree. But the second one, which
was a number of you know when I say a number,

(01:15:47):
probably sixty seventy eighty feet away from it, I got
a full right side and back profile of the creature.
It never looked at me, And when I was watching it,
what shocked me was the was how that this giantch

(01:16:09):
you know, shoulder with kind of like Bodybuilder World's Strongest
Man Brian Shaw with the wide shoulders, and then like
you said, there was no neck, you know, except it
went from neck up in my case, went from like
shoulders straight up to this conical shaped head and then

(01:16:30):
then down on the front. And I was just like
mesmerized by this before figuring me, you know, it's probably
time to leave. You know, this is this is a
little bit too close. And now I look at myself
years later and here I am trying to have that
encounter happen once again. But yeah, I mean, if you've

(01:16:52):
never ever seen up close to personal that shoulder to
head ratio, it's magnificent.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Dad's. And you know, when you hear people or you'll
see people online sort of pooh pooh somebody's experience or
you know, sighting and they'll say, oh, that was just
you know, it was a person whatever, or it was
a bear, And I don't know. I can't speak for

(01:17:21):
other people, but speaking for myself, there's nothing else in
the natural world that I'm aware of that is that wide.
I mean, the width was just it. I mean, it's
just if you take a tape measure and hold it
out four feet and realize how big that is. You go, Okay, well, yeah,
what what could it have been? And the other thing, too,

(01:17:42):
is when Steve and I went back out the next day,
I had him stand in between the trees, those two trees,
and I stood where I was where we were ball
hunting for his approach shot, and he put his hand up.
I had him put his hands straight up, and his
hand all the way up was not at the height

(01:18:04):
of the head of that thing. And Steve was like
six feet, you know, And so I don't know eight
feet that his hand was up in the air reaching
I don't know. But the point is, dude that six
feet tall puts his hand as high as it can
reach above his head, and it's not It wasn't to
the height of this thing I saw. And so you know,

(01:18:28):
I don't know what's running around Schimania Lodge in Oregon.
But it wasn't a human. It was not a bear,
you know. And it changed my I mean it changed
my I don't say it changed my life, because again,

(01:18:50):
I just presume these things existed. I just didn't expect
to see one. Steve, on the other hand, it messed
with him, even though he never saw it. He knows me,
and so he knows the type of man I am.
And so when I'm explaining this to him, there's no

(01:19:11):
question about you know, there's no issues with veracity with me.
It's like I just that's not I don't dabble in nonsense.
And he knows that. And so he was the one
that was like, let's go back out there the next day,
not only so we could get sizing idea, but he
wanted to see he felt like he missed out. Like

(01:19:32):
he's like, I cannot believe I didn't. You know, I
heard you calling me, and I just he ignored me, basically,
but interestingly, he also asked that we not talk about it,
and I kept my word. And the only reason I
mentioned it to you earlier when we spoke is because,
as it happened, Steve passed away a few months ago,

(01:19:57):
and thank you and so, and not that I was
chomping at the bit to tell that story to anybody necessarily,
but you know, if he hadn't passed, I would not
have mentioned it to you, because I gave him my word,
and I don't I mean, it was in two thousand
and seven or eight, I can't remember which, but it

(01:20:17):
was long enough ago that I don't think it would
really matter even if he were alive. I don't think
he would, you know, be upset about it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
But why do you think he didn't want to talk
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
I don't know. I tried to get that out of him,
and he didn't want to talk about that either. And
the part that I didn't understand is he had a
degree of excitement when he wanted to go back out,
and he felt like he missed out. And I couldn't
square missing out without that excitement, with what seemed like
almost a desire to be in denial. And we didn't

(01:20:54):
really get anywhere with it. And I didn't push him
too hard. It wasn't you know, it wasn't that important
for me. I wasn't gonna cross examine my friend. I mean,
it's just he asked me not to mention it, so
I said, okay, and yeah, and I didn't until now.
This is literally the first time I ever told this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Many would say, that's that's you being a good friend,
you know, respecting his wishes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Yeah, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
I mean, I don't I do. I do wonder though,
you know, but I've been in scenarios where you know,
things go on and you have certain feelings or emotions
about them, and you know, if you can't ask your
friends to do something like that, then you can you ask?
And what kind of friend are you if you can't
keep your mouth shut about something you know?

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
True? But we have two minutes to go until we
got to go to break. John Billingsley is our guest tonight.
That sasquatch encounter?

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
Have you?

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
You know, why haven't you delved into that the way
you have with UFOs?

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Well? I think probably because you know, I live and
operate in a concrete jungle. I mean that was being
in that environment was sort of an outlier scenario. I
think if I lived in that environment, I probably would
have delved into it more because I'd never forgotten it.
It's burned into my mind. And also I did look

(01:22:27):
into it quite a bit afterwards online and like I
got into the you know, the Finding Bigfoot shows like it,
I did get into it. I saw I kind of
followed things. I followed Jeff Meldrum and you know, I
I just but living in Los Angeles, you know, there's
not a It's just the environment is geared more towards

(01:22:50):
looking up than it is being in wooded areas, Like
I don't have the benefit of living where you live,
where you know it's so much more wooded.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
That is true. That is very very true, you know,
and with a minute to go here, do you think
there's a connection between the two.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Well, if you ask Stan Gordon, the answer is yes, right,
I mean yeah, And that's it's funny because the Chestnut
Ridge in Pennsylvania is well, a couple of years ago
we vacationed in the Poconos and that is a very

(01:23:32):
quote unquote If someone wants to say squatchy, I don't know,
it's not I'm not really a fan of that word.
But you get in certain aud here, okay, well, I
can understand why. It's kind of a weird one, but
you get in certain environments right where you feel differently,
the environment feels like it has something to offer. And

(01:23:53):
that's how the Poconos felt for me. And the point
is with Stan Gordon, the Chestnut Ridge is I think
to a degree, all of these things are connected. We
just haven't figured out how and why.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Yeah, well we only got about four seconds. Yes, I
do believe there is a connection between all things in
the phenomena. I really do. We'll be right back with
the second half of the show coming up after this.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
You're listening space out with your hoses, Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
When we return here, I'm gonna get some audience questions
for you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Yeah, we like to get them involved. And if I don't,
if I don't, one of our listeners t Bone. He's
like a big pro wrestling guy. He'll come right through
the computer and literally hit me with a steel chair.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
So that's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Yeah, we don't want to take that m Yeah. We're
going back to our Sasquatch area tomorrow. Oh, I can't wait.
How often do you go out every weekend? Every Saturday night.

(01:25:30):
I have a spot here, man, My audience knows that
it'll be repetitive to them. I got a spot here
in the middle of the forest that has ghosts, sasquatch UFOs, aliens,
disembodied voices, EVPs, monsters trying to lure you into the forest.

(01:25:56):
It's crazy there, and every week you go there, you
don't know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Yeah, that sounds like it has quite a bit to offer.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Yeah, it's it's scary and it's very it's a very
phobic area. Like, give you an example. Two weeks ago
when we were there, we walked into this one area.
I'd been in that area a dozen times, and all
of a sudden we walk in there and it's an
open area, just a little tiny meadow maybe forty feet

(01:26:34):
by forty feet, and all of a sudden, we can't breathe.
There's no frickin air there. It was the weirdest thing.
And we're in the middle of the forest, man, And
that happened in two.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Spots, just stifling huh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
What do you do when something like that happens? Do
you ride it out and try.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
We walked out, We walked, We walked twenty feet out
of it, and we were breathing properly twenty feet.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Like this area, it messes with you. It messes with
you big time. It'll plan to do things when it
knows the camera is off. Like, give you an example.

(01:27:35):
We put up a trail cam way off probably one
hundred yards from our camp. Excuse me my allergies today,
about one hundred yards from our camp total opposite direction

(01:27:55):
of where we're getting a lot of sasquatch activity. We
had our trail cam up and it is literally facing
a main trail. Like all the animals. You can see
the animal droppings in the footprints of deer and bear
and coyotes and all along this trail. We didn't get

(01:28:16):
a single photo, not one. My buddy, my buddy Tim
takes that same trail cam home, sets it up the
exact same way to test it and it works fine.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
Yeah, but the.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Phenomena will up there will screw with you. It will
screw with you all of a sudden, it'll tell you
time to go get out, your day's over, or like
two weeks ago. We stupid as this sounds, but I'll

(01:29:06):
tell you we actually heard something really big. I don't
know what. It was, absolutely fart away in the trees,
maybe forty yards from us. We went back last week
to see We went into that area last week to

(01:29:29):
see what we could find, okay, and we found droppings
that I've talked to a number of outdoors people since
I took photos of it. They can't explain it, they
don't know what it is really. So tomorrow we're actually
grabbing some samples and putting them in a ziploc bag

(01:29:54):
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All right, let's bring in John Billingsley. He's been filming

(01:31:20):
UFOs over his home in Los Angeles. He's a lawyer.
He's a guy who's interested in this subject of UFOs.
Can't figure out why they're coming around him summoning UFOs,
which we're going to talk about here briefly before getting
to audience questions. John, thank you for being.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Here, Thanks for having me, Thanks for having me. This
is a great conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
You know, Stephen Greer pay makes you pay like twenty
five hundred to thirty five hundred bucks to learn how
to summon UFOs, and here you are doing it yourself
for free.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
Oh well, you know, it's funny that. And I don't
know what his process is. I have heard that he
charges people, and that's you know, that's his business, I suppose.
But what I find interesting is that the concept of summoning,
and we touched on intention and I mentioned, you know

(01:32:15):
that manifesting and having intention, like with the arrowhead siding
my wife and I had. I went there with an intention.
And I think that collective energy is a real thing.
And so when it comes to summoning or putting energy

(01:32:36):
out into the universe, when people can get on the
same page from a freerequency standpoint and have a common intention,
I think it can be strong, and one of the
things I think is interesting is that you can look
into music and see that in church too, in particular,

(01:33:00):
when people start to connect and have this consistency of
thought and feeling and emotion, it creates an energy. And
I was talking to mister rob g last year and
I mentioned to him that Parliament had a song called,

(01:33:27):
actually a record called Mothership Connection back in the seventies,
before Star Wars was even a thing, and I believed
well before Stephen Greer started his CE five and there
are a number of their songs at their concerts. If
you listen to it, you feel like there's a summoning
happening with this collective group of people all talking about

(01:33:51):
the mothership is coming. I can feel it coming. I
want to take a ride. I want to ride on
the mothership. And they're singing about you polls and to me,
that is a collective intention being put out into the universe.
And so I think whether people knew it or not,
people have been practicing the summoning process for different ways,

(01:34:17):
whether it's church or music concerts, et cetera, for a
long time. I think Steve and Greer probably stumbled upon
something that people have been doing for millennia.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
I think you think you're right on that, and you know,
I've done it myself, you know. And when you know,
one of my complaints when Skywatcher came out was when
they changed the name to Psionics, because they have a tendency,
for some reason, to change the name of everything in eupology,
because they're so anti eufology. Even though I think they're

(01:34:49):
doing great work, I just don't don't like that part
about them bugs me. But that's a personal opinion, you know,
here they are, you know. And I actually tweeted out
to Jake bar one day, I said, you know, Skywatcher,
that summoning has been around for millennia. People have claimed
to have been doing it for hundreds of years. It

(01:35:12):
was the first time that they actually admitted to that,
you know, because the way they were kind of leading
it on and indoctrinating the people, it was like they
invented it, you know what I'm saying, to make themselves
look good. And I just wasn't putting up with that.
So I made a tweet out there, and Jake Barber,
God bless him, he said that, you know, you're right,

(01:35:34):
it has been out there a long time. You know,
and I think and I think that's good for the
public that they brought it out, even if they I
call it summoning, they call it psionics, you know, doctor
Greer calls it CE five. But the fact is, you know,
they're coming out and saying this is real, this is real,

(01:35:57):
like you could do this, we can do this, you
can do this. And I think that's wonderful because I
think if more people tried it, you know, it would
it would open their eyes to a lot more. How
do you do it?

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Well, I don't do it as often as I was
before because I was talking about with my disaster retina
and you know, all these other things. I felt like
I was sort of getting in over my head and
inviting things in that I didn't really know what was coming,

(01:36:35):
whether like I said, it was the you know, the
passage sea turtle or you know, or a mako shark.
So I but I basically use visualization to I close
my eyes. I have breathing techniques that I do employ.
I do breath work quite a bit, and I get

(01:36:56):
myself into a certain basically a certain state where I
lower my heart rate gets to about forty eight beats
in a minute, which is low for me, and I
do my breath work and I get these sort of
tingling sensation and my toes and my fingers tips, and

(01:37:19):
I see what I want to see. I basically, just
like the marathon, I visualize crossing the finish line and
breaking down into tears, and then that's what happened. So
I do that on a micro level with these things,
and invariably stuff shows up and starts darting around the sky.
And when I'm doing that, I'm not recording. I'm usually

(01:37:41):
it's a separate thing. Like it takes effort, it takes
awareness for me and a lot of intention, and I
haven't really tried to do it while setting up a camera,
and I'm not doing it for that purpose necessarily. I'm
doing it to connect, and so I don't. It's not
important to me to capture it on camera post I guess,

(01:38:04):
is what I'm saying. Maybe it should be, but for me,
it's just, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
I don't have an issue with that. I don't have
an issue with that, John, because this is for you.
You're not doing it to make money off of YouTube.
You're not doing it to get on television shows. You're
not doing it to you know, be the next you know,
mainstream player in ufology. You have your own niche that

(01:38:29):
you were following along, and whether or not you use
a camera or not, you're an enthusiast of the subject.
I think that's wonderful. I do. I'm very much the
same way outside of our investigative area at what we
call Flight twenty one. I've never been an investigator before.
I never took a camera out in the field outside

(01:38:49):
of my phone because like I didn't care to film anything.
I just wanted to sit back and experience this magic,
and that's what it is. So I have a lot
of respect for what you're doing there.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
Yeah, thank you. And you know, I'm very fortunate to
to like have you know, an area here where like
you see, I mean, like I mentioned being in the foothills.
So there's a slight elevation, so I'm above the city lights,
and so I can see back here up into the
sky without not a ton going on and so and

(01:39:26):
it's a nice escape too, you know, it's a way
to decompress. So there's there's like a health aspect to
it for me, which I really uh feel fortunate to
be able to have to come out here and engage
your nature and be outside and kind of connect with

(01:39:46):
the sky. And it seems like it sort of it
I guess pays off. However, you want to say that
it gives return, uh, and I you know, I feel
thankful for that when it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Let's get to some audience questions here. Let's start off
here with Derek latch Key Hustle at this point, are
the uf in your opinion, are the UFO congressional hearings
coming up a waste of time?

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
In my opinion, the whole thing is a waste of
I mean the whole thing being the you know, the
congressional efforts, the legislation, the back and forth. I mean,
I represent corporate clients. I'm an employment lawyer, and some
of my clients are in that realm, and I can

(01:40:44):
tell you that the private industry is years ahead of
the public sector and the government. So I laughed a
couple of weeks ago because I heard Jeremy Corbel saying
something about, you know, they're going to be backing up
the truck to Lockheed Martin to get those things out

(01:41:04):
of there because the legislation might be passing and those
things are gone years ago. The technology that these companies have,
it's it's it's not here. They've moved it because they
they're ahead of the game, just like you know, cyber

(01:41:25):
criminals are ahead of the government, and the government's constantly chasing,
you know, the hackers. It's the same type of thing.
And so yeah, Derek, I think it's a waste of time.
I think it's neat. It's good that it's more out
in the open and these things are being talked about.
The taboo is you know, is being lifted, and the
stigma's lightning. All those things are positive. So from that standpoint,

(01:41:47):
it's great. But from what they're actually trying to accomplish,
I think they're chasing their own tail and they're being
laughed at by the private sector.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Let's move on here, let's go next to in Israel.
I see lots of your videos on the UFOs next
to planes, John, Why do you think that if they
don't fully show the craft to the public or probably
to the passengers or the crew.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
First, high Poly thanks for the question. Good to hear
from you. Glad you're joining us, and I hope you're
safe out there. So I see things from airplanes A
few times only because I've recorded them. I've never seen
anything with the naked eye, and I think that's kind
of the key to the answer to your question is

(01:42:39):
these things, I think are moving so fast that nobody's
going to see them with the naked eye, whether they're
on the ground or in the airplane. And I think
that's kind of half the battle. I think these things
move at a speed that our brains are not We're
just not registered to see them. And that's why I

(01:43:00):
think the technology of the phones are great, because if
you have the inclination to record and then slow it down,
because it does it takes time to sit there going
frame by frame through a video. Who wants to do that?
It doesn't, you know, But that's the only way these
things seem to show themselves. So yeah, I think if
more people did that from planes, Polly, I think there'd

(01:43:21):
be more footage from planes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
All right, let's move on to another question, this one
from Queen. I live on the west side of the falls.
He knows kemp flows into diversion and it flows to
kick Aboo then to Arrowhead. She's like a neighbor of yours.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
Yeah, just make that comment there.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
I'll tell you Aarowhead is a great talk about light
pollution that you can see so much in Arrowhead. It's
a Arrowhead and Big Bear are both, you know, known
areas for psychings. There's a lot of stuff going on
up there, which is really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
PAULI again once though, why do you think you were contacted?
And what do you feel is your mission?

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
The why if I had to come up with I
don't know the answer obviously, but if I had to
come up upon. In other words, my theory, I suppose
has to do with being a high vibration individual. And
that's not because I think I'm special. It's because I

(01:44:38):
work at keeping a high vibration and I try to
prioritize the things that I think are important. And so
like I'm a husband and a father and a son,
you know, and an uncle in an attorney in that order,
and that's high. For an attorney, it's probably lower. And

(01:45:02):
I conduct myself accordingly, and I do things like I mentioned,
the ice baths, the breath work, putting myself in adverse
situations and performing all those things I do to increase
my elevate my frequency and might keep my vibrations high
as a human and I think I don't know why,

(01:45:26):
but I tend to think that has something to do
with it, because I haven't always lived that lifestyle, and
there's a correlation that I've noticed. And when I am
living that way, I'm more in tune with universe. And
when I'm disconnected, i'm not. And when I'm not doing
hard things, i'm not. When I'm indoors all the time,

(01:45:47):
I'm not. And so yeah, and you know, a quick aside,
one of the other reasons this evolution began for me
is because of COVID, Because before that, I was indoors
in my car driving to downtown LA, in my office
all day, indoors in court all day, indoors in depositions,

(01:46:07):
indoors driving home, and then indoors. I was always indoors.
And then the world shut down and I started working
from home, and I don't have an office, so I
built a stand up desk in my garage and I
started working in my garage with the garage door open,
and I was immediately reconnecting with the natural environment. And

(01:46:28):
that was a springboard, and I started taking walks, and
all of a sudden, because of COVID again, I was
out in the environment, in the natural world, so much
more than I had been for the last fifteen eighteen years.
And I think that played a huge role for me
in terms of reconnecting with our environment.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Let's move on to Chameleon. Have you ever had any
feelings of missing time.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
Once? Yeah, I did, not only missing time, but I
I knew where I was going. I happened in a
car and it was like I woke up, but I
was driving, and it was very scary, to be honest
with you, and I don't know what happened. At the

(01:47:21):
time I missed about thirty minutes was gone. And I
also I knew where I was supposed to go, but
I couldn't figure out how to get there, even though
I'd go there all the time. But down to downtown
La Courthouse, that's where I was going. And I've been
practicing since two thousand and one, so it's not a

(01:47:43):
place I forget where to go. But that day that happened,
and like I said, it was scary. I didn't know
if I'd had a stroke. I didn't, I you know,
but I went. I had all the testing, I had
everything done, and there was no information, I mean everything
I got to clean to the health. But it was

(01:48:05):
like twenty five minutes just like that. So yeah, that
happened to me one time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Did you have any after effects from that?

Speaker 4 (01:48:18):
Not that I know of. I mean, knock on wood,
it hasn't happened since, but yeah, I mean it just
it stuck with me because it was so unnerving.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
But yeah, all right, let's go to t Bone here. John.
I know you and doctor Shipe see the dragons. Do
you have a theory on what they are?

Speaker 4 (01:48:42):
Who?

Speaker 7 (01:48:45):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
My theories evolved, and I think really all of our
theories should evolve with you know, with the evidence, I guess.
I mean, some days I think it's one and then
something will happen and I'm convinced it's something else. So
I've just the one thing I know is that I
don't know anything, you know, I mean, whatever these things

(01:49:11):
are that are getting recorded that I record. Doctor Shipe
records in Bigfoot doorf records him, he's not too far
shout out the Sky's limit smoke shop. He records some
of some really cool stuff over there. But I I
don't I feel like they fall into that category of

(01:49:32):
creatures that are here and we're just realizing them because
we have the ability to slow down footage and have
four K footage in the first place, and we're starting
to see them more. I know that doesn't shed light
on what they are, but I think that that categorization, like,
I don't necessarily think they're like extraterrestrial. I think they're

(01:49:56):
whatever they are. They're they're here, and they've probably been
here longer than we have, and we're just not realizing,
you know, that they're here, just like we realizing the
animals in the Amazon that we didn't know about for
all of our existence until someone stumbles upon it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Follow Up from t Bone here, can you elaborate on
your opinion of the Compton alien before we get into that,
Explain what the Compton alien is to people who may
not know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
Yeah, so Compton, California is in South Los Angeles here again,
not too far. I'm in the Pasadena area basically.

Speaker 7 (01:50:37):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
In early June, somebody caught something on a ring cam
and it looks it I mean, it looks like an alien,
kind of a quintessential I mean there's a group, right,
there's not just one quintessential alien. There's the you know,
tall gray small gray Manton. There's all these different things,

(01:50:59):
but it looked it has this odd elongated head, has
this tiny little neck, it looks like it's about three
feet tall, and had this odd gait, and it was
oddly colored. And her she had three ring cameras. One
of the ring cameras caught it. The first one didn't,
and the one in the backyard didn't, but one did.

(01:51:20):
And when it comes on camera, the entire image pixelates momentarily,
and then when it goes off screen, the pixelation goes
away and the clarity comes back. So you know, whether
that whatever that entity was, whether it had an impact
on the camera or not, I don't, you know, who knows,

(01:51:44):
but the timing, that was what the timing was. And
what's also interesting about that is that this woman's next
door neighbor was her aunt, and about fifteen minutes before
that capture, her aunt heard something land on her roof
and then she heard something basically sliding down on the

(01:52:06):
roof or the side of her house, and it freaked
her out and she ran to her bedroom and started praying.
Then fast forward about fifteen minutes and her niece's ring
cam goes off and captures what I just described. So
and that was June fifth or sixth, and I saw
that online, and because it was local here to me,

(01:52:27):
I featured it in a presentation and sort of broke
it down and pointed out a few things. But you know,
I don't think anybody has debunked it. And the other
thing that's interesting about that is that she got a
notification on her phone from the ring cam, and within
like ten minutes she posted it to some social media platform.

(01:52:48):
I think it was Facebook. And what's relevant about that
is the timing. So if somebody's going to say, well,
that's doctored footage or it's you know, photoshop or CGI
or whatever, it's like number one, this lady doesn't really
strike you as the type to do that. But also
from a timing perspective, between when it was recorded and

(01:53:11):
when it got posted online, there was no time to
all of a sudden do all these things. That's authentic footage.
What's in the footage is a different question. Who knows,
But the footage itself, in my opinion, is authentic and fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
All right, let's see if we can sneak in one more.
We got less than a minute. Let's go to necessary dialogue.
We may have all been abducted to most don't remember.
What do you think that is.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
Et anesthesia? I mean, you know, I don't I don't
disagree with that premise, and I don't know if we
should be thanking them for wiping our memories basically because
you periodically hear of stories and Whitley Streeber and some

(01:54:00):
mothers where it's very unpleasant and you almost you know,
you can tell they wish they didn't remember anything. So
it's unnerving to think that we have no protection and
something can take us whenever they want.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
You got that right, John Billingsley, thank you for coming
on spaced Out Radio for the first time. Latch Key
Hustle his YouTube channel. Make sure you check it on out.
Our three starts off with Swamp Dweller, then Extra Small.
We'll be here for the Q and A. We'll be
right back. You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your

(01:54:35):
host Dave Scott. All right, John Big, thank you very much.

(01:54:55):
Appreciate you, my man, you got it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:59):
Thanks a lot. This is a great, great time. I
appreciate the opportunity is for sure lovely chat.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
Appreciate it. Go enjoy your weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
Yeah, take care.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
Jo Billy's Lee, everybody, he's awesome. We're gonna bring him back.
We're definitely gonna bring him back. That guy's smart. I
got some ideas for him, that's for sure. Totally got
some ideas. Wouldn't he be good on a panel like
a UFO panel? Yeah, all right, I'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
The moss can be tricky, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Said us us USU.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
All right, let's bring in extra small. Hard to believe
a week ago you were here.

Speaker 5 (02:00:14):
Right, Oh my gosh, I feel like I have just
barely left.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
How was the drive home?

Speaker 5 (02:00:22):
It was excellent, beautiful, you know, up up to the
point that I couldn't see anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
Right, it got dark quick, yeah, but a beautiful drive
nonetheless through the canyon.

Speaker 5 (02:00:35):
Eh yeah, I got dark before the canyon. But there's
like this desolate area that's like a like being out
in the desert. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
It's beautiful. You are in the desert, to be honest. Yeah,
it's a desert there. Yeah. BC has one of the
largest deserts in the world and nobody knows that.

Speaker 5 (02:01:01):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:01:01):
Yeah, ten seconds, my friend. Thank you tonight to Andrew,
Karen Human, Carl, Erica t Bone, Candice and Kitty Caddywack.
Thank you for your love and support. Here comes our
number three. Everybody, third end, final hour of spaced Out

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Speaker 8 (02:02:27):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm swamp dweller.
In tonight, I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unknown, sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.
Welcome to the spaced out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 7 (02:02:44):
I wish I had more information on this story. It
was a very brief encounter that has always stayed with
me since I was young. It may not be the
most eventful, but it creeps me out. It started when
I was young. When I was about six or seven
years old, my family lived in an old house with
a few dogs in South Carolina. It was far from

(02:03:05):
uneventful there. I heard strange noises and saw strange lights
sat our house. I was convinced the place was haunted.
As it turns out, I may not have been wrong.
One of the weirdest things that ever happened to me
happened outside of that house. I used to go outside
a lot back then. I loved being outside in the

(02:03:25):
feeling of being out there, regardless of.

Speaker 8 (02:03:27):
How warm or cold it was, was freeing to me.

Speaker 7 (02:03:31):
But I usually came back in before it got too
dark out. I didn't stay out in the middle of
the night, but one day I decided to stay out
just for a bit longer into the evening. It was
getting around six thirty when I finally decided to go
back inside. That day, but before I did, I was
interrupted by something extraordinary. Above my house was this sort

(02:03:53):
of hill past a road that went through a forest.
Up there was a neighborhood, plenty of people living there,
at least for some nowhere southern town. Up there was
a strange figure. I'd say it was tall, maybe six
feet tall, but it was hard to tell from where
I was standing, and the memories had been understandably vague
since I was very young. I just sat there, staggered

(02:04:16):
in disbelief. A tall, pitch black humanoid figure loomed over me,
just over the hill. It was blank and just black,
sort of like a shadow. It looked distorted, though, like
the shadow was moving around like static TV, if that
makes any sense. Me being young and confused, I was stunned.
It was so bizarre. I didn't know what to do.

(02:04:39):
But the door was right behind me, so I could
run back into my parents at any moment. I felt
safe for that reason. I waved at the creatures as
it stood there, and it gave me some sort of
wave back.

Speaker 8 (02:04:51):
For a few seconds.

Speaker 7 (02:04:52):
I was so creeped out that chills went down my spine,
my heart was pounding, and goose bumps rose on my arms,
it looked human and was now acting human. It started
making other motions, and the thing honestly kind of had
a mind of its own, but also was copying my
every movement. I started making other motions, and the thing

(02:05:15):
just copied them every time. I even walked closer and
poked behind a tree, and it pretended to do the same,
even though there was no tree for it to hide behind.
I was thoroughly amused. I realized I would probably seem
like a madman making weird motions to anybody who saw me.
I looked around to see if anybody was looking. When

(02:05:35):
I looked back at the creature, it was no longer there.
The way it just stood there at first and then
copied my every motion later was so strange and downright creepy.
The more I think about it, it seems like it
was straight out of a horror story or something, the
start of some climactic series of events. But I never
saw anything like it again. I'm sure there has to

(02:05:56):
be some sort of plausible explanation somewhere out there. Until then,
this is the only paranormal story that I have.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
Thank you Swamp Dweller for a short, but sweet story.
We love it when you kick off our number three.
If you want more stories just like that, head on
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that bell and you can listen literally to thousands of
stories just like that. It's time for Lee. What do

(02:06:44):
you say there, Lee Strauss? How you doing?

Speaker 5 (02:06:47):
I'm doing fantastic, Dave. You know what, you have got
a fantastic head of hair. My friend and I do not.

Speaker 1 (02:06:57):
So I'm really into stupid little traditions. And I've started
a tradition last week, okay, because we were out in
the forest Merle, Tim, myself and Lee out at flight
twenty one, and I just we're all wearing a hat.
So I just figured, you know what, it's time to start.

(02:07:19):
You know, when we address each other, just time to
start to give it each other a tip of the cap,
tip of the cap. I like that.

Speaker 5 (02:07:25):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
Yeah, bring some old school flavor back, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (02:07:31):
Absolutely, absolutely need to do some more of that sort
of thing, for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
Absolutely. How is a flight twenty one hangover.

Speaker 4 (02:07:41):
Good?

Speaker 5 (02:07:42):
You know, for the longest time, I haven't heard of
this or haven't heard this term ever, but apparently there's
such thing as a paranormal hangover. Now, I have never
heard about this, but come to think about at the
times that I have gone out and done ghost investigations,
the next day I feel completely drained. And you know, yeah,

(02:08:08):
I was drained. But I left your place about what
was it, seven fifteen, seven twenty at night. I drove
all the way home. I got home about close to
three o'clock, and I slept pretty much all the next day,
all of Monday.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Yeah, I know you touched on it earlier last week
about or previously, pardon me about about what it was
like being there for listeners who didn't get a chance
to hear that. What was your thoughts of flight twenty one.

Speaker 5 (02:08:48):
Well, David, it's not just it's not just the ghosts
and the paranormal. There's other things going on there. You know,
I've had plenty of time to reflect on what happened
out there, and yeah, there's a lot. There's things that
are living there and there's things that are not right.

(02:09:12):
That area is so desolate. We drove probably what a
good hour out of town to get to that location,
and it's out of the middle of nowhere. The trees,
the landscape is the same everywhere you look. It's a
little bit of rolling hills with little lakes and ponds

(02:09:35):
and the trees. I mean there's what four or five
different types of trees, maybe more, but it all seems
like it's a mirror of something else you've seen. You know,
when you're driving through there, you could get lost so
freaking easily out there, And it's amazing that this one

(02:09:56):
spot where flight anyone had its crash is the spot
where all of this activity is going on. I did
did mention it before that, you know, we had that
one footprint at that other location. But I would think
that it would be very hard, very hard to find

(02:10:20):
a location like this anywhere else up there, because there's
just thousands and thousands of square miles of the same terrain.
But in this little area, it's all in one little spot.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
And it's hard to believe in just describing it or
what we put on video, how small it is. It's
not a big area.

Speaker 4 (02:10:52):
No.

Speaker 5 (02:10:52):
We were walking down that one road, Dave, and we
continued down the road and I was like, you know what,
there's no reason for us to go any further because
there's nothing back that way. I said, there's no reason.
Everything is back there behind us. You know I felt that.
I'm sure you felt the same way. There's no reason.
So there seems to be this circle of energy around

(02:11:16):
this where this crash had happened. And you know, it
would be almost worth your while if you have Nicole
Sakich or something and you guys go set out ribbons
or something around the area that's actually hot. You know
what I mean, to stay stay within in those those

(02:11:37):
areas and then like document what happens where inside that bubble.
It's super active, super active.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
What was your favorite part? Ah?

Speaker 5 (02:11:54):
You know, when when I walked off in that one
direction with Tim and I felt that entity very large,
I could only say it was a bigfoot. We didn't
see it. It was just standing probably, I guess, I
would guess about twenty feet in front of us, kind
of partially behind a tree. We can't see this, but

(02:12:17):
in my mind's eye, this is what I see. The
energy was so palatable right that it could be nothing else.
I don't know that anybody understands what I'm saying, but
when it's that much, when there's that much coming, it's
almost like you know when you're driving a car and

(02:12:37):
you can tell somebody's looking at you, next to you,
driving next to you, you look over and they are staring
at you. It was like that, except times ten. It
was a lot, and Tim and I both picked up
on it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:59):
What was, in your opinion, the biggest thing you learned
from out there?

Speaker 5 (02:13:05):
I think just you know, hanging out with Merle and
seeing the different devices he had and stuff like that,
trying to get ideas from him and how I can
use that sort of equipment in other ways. So like
the estest method. You know, as soon as I saw
that we were doing, and I was like, hey, you know,

(02:13:26):
I've got this brain scanner that can read, you know,
the brain waves coming off of a person. I'm like, well,
we can integrate that somehow into doing the estest method too,
so that we can. But it's just a matter of
seeing what he has, you know, seeing what he how
he's using it, and trying to figure out how I
can use that in my research, because I'm not really

(02:13:48):
after looking for ghosts necessarily. I mean, I've known there.
They've been around ever since I was a little kid,
and it's kind of old hat type stuff for me.
There's been so many shows on TV and that sort
of thing. It is interesting, but it's not the only
energy out there. I gravitate more towards the et and

(02:14:12):
the big foot type stuff, and then also the fae.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
Right, So, the claustrophobic tightness of the location, what was
your reaction to that.

Speaker 5 (02:14:29):
Well, once it start getting dark, everything closes in on you.
We had some great lighting out there, but it still
felt like everybody pulled in. You could tell there was
things out there that There was the crunch of the branches,
there was the movement, the soft footsteps, just those sorts

(02:14:50):
of things that you couldn't see but you could hear,
just on just beyond what your visibly being able to see.
So that space that we're in gets tighter and tighter
and tighter as the darkness comes in and the daylight
starts to fade.

Speaker 2 (02:15:09):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:15:11):
So it was very very It is very claustrophobic. And
it's not just the fact that it's not what you're seeing.
You are seeing the darkness, right, But there's more to it.
There are things that are coming around to view us.
When they think that we can't see them, that's when

(02:15:33):
they want to come in and get a closer look,
and they did.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Overall, we hear people say I've got this location, I've
got this location. You know, all of these hot spots,
whether it's a museum, a prison, an insane asylum, or whatever,
but they're very unidirectional. Where is out there you have?

(02:16:02):
You don't know what to expect. What would you, in
your mind rate the Flight twenty one location.

Speaker 5 (02:16:11):
A strong nine. I can only say that I've been
in one other area that's anywhere similar to that as
far as the type of energy, But your spot is
a magnitude higher in energy than what I experience at

(02:16:33):
the Electric parking lot. I mean, you can see these
shapes moving and undulating above the trees around the Electric
parking lot, and you can hear things out in the
woods crunching around out there and that sort of thing.
But I'm telling you what the air is seems to

(02:16:57):
be alive in that spot, in the spot, the Flight
twenty one area, and there's nothing like it that I've
ever experienced. And you're right, You're right. I get it
a lot from people, Oh, you got to come check
out my spot, Come check out my spot? Do you
mind traveling across the country to check out my spot?
And I'm like, you know, I've got plenty of spots
here in Washington. I don't need to go anywhere but you.

(02:17:19):
But I'll tell you what. That spot up in Canada.
Thank god it's only, you know, eight seven and a
half hours away, because I'm coming back for you, buddy.
I'm coming back and we're going to do some time
out there. You damn right.

Speaker 1 (02:17:37):
Out of everything we experience up there, what's the one
thing that kind of caught you off guard?

Speaker 5 (02:17:43):
I think you know, I already talked about that, the
thing in the woods, the big tall, bigfoot in the woods.
But that rock held a lot of energy. There's this
rock out there, and I don't know if it's granted
or what the heck it is. And we drove around
the next day and there's rocks all over the place
in the woods, in the forest and everything, but that

(02:18:06):
rock right there at flight twenty one, that holds a
lot of a lot of energy. There was a lot
of and I don't even know how to describe it, David.
There's just a lot of juice coming off of that thing,
a lot. And I think what we have there is
probably somebody ended up landing on that rock or near

(02:18:26):
that rock when the plane disintegrated in the air, but
I think it seems to hold the energy of the
souls around it as well. Like that's a place to go,
that's a safe spot to be, is that rock Because
it's very grounding, it touches the earth, it's buried part
way in the earth, right, and so any of that

(02:18:50):
energy can collect on that one location. And that's kind
of what I felt from it.

Speaker 1 (02:18:57):
It's pretty crazy, it really is. And you know, like
like I was saying to you when we were up there,
like you never know what's gonna happen, and when once
dusk comes, that's where all of a sudden we were
on alert. But the one thing that I don't think
a lot of people understand Lee, And you'll get this
now that you've been there. It's not a place where

(02:19:20):
you can relax.

Speaker 5 (02:19:24):
No, No, you know, we talk about going up there
and spending the night, you know, for more than one night,
two nights, three nights. You know, we're gonna it's gonna
have to be multiple nights. But you think all rest.
Do you think that I'm gonna get rest up there.
I don't think so, because I'm gonna be on high
alert the whole darn time. I really I know that.

(02:19:49):
You know, we we investigated the area together as a group.
But I'm telling you what, I need to just pair
up with somebody and we just need to go out
and and feel, all right, walk around and feel and
and go where that energy is tugging me.

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
Right.

Speaker 5 (02:20:07):
What we need to do is go out in a
way that, yes, you show me the hotspots and things
where things happen, but I also just need to go
out there and feel.

Speaker 1 (02:20:18):
I really do.

Speaker 5 (02:20:21):
That's part. That's part of it. When I go out
to do investigations looking for UFOs, the first thing I do,
or one of the first things I do, is where
are they going to come from? You know, where is
the craft coming if they're coming in, where they're going
to be you know. And that's the kind of and
that's the way I set up my equipment is so
that I can see the craft coming in or you know,

(02:20:43):
if they're going to be around. I want to make
sure that I capture that footage. So I do a
lot of feeling when I go out and do investigations.

Speaker 1 (02:20:54):
No, I think that's a I think that's a logical
thing to do. And you know what, if you have
time to do it, you know, say three or four days,
even five days. You know you could set up a
camp outside of that area, and you know you might
even draw the sasquatch in to that area as well.

(02:21:16):
Where you are.

Speaker 5 (02:21:19):
Yeah, the obviously, obviously, because it is not an easy
place to get into, not at all. I mean there's
that huge ravine that you have to go down. If
you don't have a four wheel drive vehicle that can
go in low, you're going to have a problem. You
are going to have a problem. So yes, right outside
you know that that area before you turn down that

(02:21:40):
last road, we should set up some sort of a
trailer or a camp or or something. Tents well, I
don't know about a tent. You might want a hard
shell when sasquatch comes a knock, and you know what
I mean. I it would be a lot to to
be in a tent. But if I think if we

(02:22:02):
were all in a tent, it might be all right.
But yes, just outside that that bubble that we're talking about,
that bubble of influence, because when you're in there, you're influenced.

Speaker 1 (02:22:16):
Do you feel different after being there?

Speaker 5 (02:22:21):
You know there is something different, Dave, I'm not able
to put my finger on it. It's it's calling me,
I feel in a way, and it's it's I've had
other spots, like I know I need to go to

(02:22:42):
a certain spot or whatever. But it's it's it's more
than just one thing calling me. There's there's a lot.
It seems to me that they were happy I was there,
and I don't know why, or it seems that they
were happy that the group of us was there together.

(02:23:04):
I think that they want that. They want they want
that us as as a group of people with that
kind of energy, with that positive, caring, loving energy. It's
not negative, it's just good and happy and yeah, that's

(02:23:26):
the kind of energy they like to be around.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
Yeah, it's a pretty incredible place and it's something that
I think, obviously Tim and I will be going back
again and again. But you know, this is where it
kind of sucks that you live so far away, because
we'd love to definitely have you you're back there again,
you know, for more fun, satisfying investigations out there, that's

(02:23:54):
for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:23:56):
I need to we'll have to, you know, talk with
everybody and get things set up because we're gonna have
next time I go. I don't want to just spend
one day out there. That's yeah, that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:24:07):
It was a nice warm up. It was a nice
warm up. When we come back on the Q and
A with Lee Strauss, we're gonna get into some UFO talk.
We're going to get into whatever comes up, and if
audience has questions, Hey, it's gonna be a great half
hour of conversation. We'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (02:24:27):
This is spaced out radio and your bothes stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:24:50):
All right, we clear.

Speaker 5 (02:24:53):
Yes, Tim the Mothman is correct. I do have tents
from the Secret Space Force, my floating tent that yeah,
right there.

Speaker 1 (02:25:10):
I'm craving those light poles that you had.

Speaker 5 (02:25:14):
You know what's really cool about those two is that
they got a handle on them, right, so you can
take it off the pole and hold that handle and
then bend that light anyway you want to.

Speaker 2 (02:25:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
I think that's probably going to be my next investment,
along with one of those paranormal candles.

Speaker 5 (02:25:33):
Yeah, those are cool too.

Speaker 1 (02:25:34):
I loved.

Speaker 5 (02:25:37):
I loved merles. That was pretty pretty awesome. Yeah, I'll
have to send you the link for those for those lights.
A lot of I forgot which TV show it was
one of the bigfoot TV shows, but they had those

(02:25:58):
same lights that they used when we're filming.

Speaker 1 (02:26:05):
It's not an area, you know, Like I was, I've
been getting all of a sudden that lately, like the
last week, I've been getting a lot of bigfoot highlights
from TV shows, you know, and you know here they are,
you know, going through the woods at night. You know,
they have their lights on and everything like that, you know,
trying to track down noises or whatever. I don't think

(02:26:29):
I would do that at Flight twenty one.

Speaker 5 (02:26:33):
Well, you you don't want to go after them, you
want them to come to you. I agree, Yeah, I
think that's disrespectful in a way, or they would view
it as being disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (02:26:54):
Yeah, I just I just really looked at that. I'm like,
you know, is that something I would try out at
the flight? And I'm like, yeah, no, I tell you what.
I am kind of getting concerned about though. Yeah, I'm
afraid that and Merlin I kind of had a minor
conversation about this. I'm afraid with the popularity that is growing,

(02:27:20):
that all of a sudden, somebody is going to hit
up that location and blow it up and take all
of our work and you know, take the credit for it.
You know what I'm saying, This is what.

Speaker 5 (02:27:32):
I would be worried about, and seriously would be worried about.
Is somebody coming in there and ruining it for you.
You were building up this relationship with them, and somebody
goes in there and does all the wrong things, and
then what do you have is a steaming pile of crap.

Speaker 1 (02:27:53):
Well, it kind of happened already when somebody went in
there and moved a bunch of the crash site Debrimember.
It was all along that log. Yeah, when we got
in there that night, it didn't feel right. It did
not feel right at all, and and we ended up,

(02:28:16):
you know, Tim and I just went and did our
thing where we said, hey, guys, like this wasn't us.
This disappoints us. You know, we're here to be your
friends and everything, and had a conversation and within minutes
everything calmed down. Yeah. Right. But the good part about
it is there's not enough people who understand a how

(02:28:39):
far it is out there, and B which path to
take to actually find it right.

Speaker 5 (02:28:49):
Yeah, Well, there's some people that are pretty good at
investigating and probably could figure it out.

Speaker 1 (02:28:55):
Oh, it's easy to figure out. But if you don't
know the trail turn on, you're going to pass it.

Speaker 5 (02:29:05):
Yeah, Yeah, that's it's possible.

Speaker 4 (02:29:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:29:10):
I just worry for you, you know, having that great
spot with all that attention that you get, and then
somebody goes in there and starts blasting their gun away
or whatever because they're freaked out because there's something in
the and that they can't see in the woods, and
things are going to just leave, you know, that's concern.

Speaker 1 (02:29:31):
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and on Patreon. In the Space Travelers Club. Here's Lee Strauss.
He's from our YouTube show Element one point fifteen and
we were talking about Flight twenty one beforehand. But we're
going to get into some other UFO news here just
to kind of get his perspective on everything. Lee, Thank
you so much for being here. I love being here.

(02:31:40):
We love having you.

Speaker 4 (02:31:41):
Lee.

Speaker 1 (02:31:43):
Thank you, Thank you very much. Appreciate that. I don't
know if you heard, but just a few days ago
it was the seventieth anniversary of the Hopskinsville Goblins, the
Kentucky Goblin story where I mean this is a to me,

(02:32:06):
it's one of the greatest encounters of alien contact. So
let me give you the backstory on this. Okay, so
it happened, Let's make it. Let's go back. In nineteen
fifty five, five adults, seven children, so twelve people arrived

(02:32:26):
at the Hopkinsville Police station claiming that small alien creatures
from a spaceship had been attacking their farmhouse and they
had been holding them off with gunfire for nearly four hours.
Two adults, Elmer Sutton and Billy Ray Taylor, claimed that
they had been shooting at a few short, dark figures

(02:32:49):
who repeatedly popped up in the doorway and peered into windows.
The first paper to cover this story was The Kentucky
New Era, and it increased the number of creatures from
twelve to fifteen and continues to be the number most
often reported. Concerned about the possible gun battle between local

(02:33:10):
citizens like they didn't want another hatfield of McCoy's going on,
four police officers from the city, five state troopers, three
deputy sheriffs, and four military police officers from the nearby
United States Army Fort Campbell Base drove to the Sutton farmhouse,

(02:33:31):
located near the town of Kelly in Christian County. Their
search yielded no evidence apart from broken windows and holes
in the screens, possibly the result of gunfire. Residents of
the farmhouse included Glennie Lankford, her children Lonnie, Charlton and Mary,
two grown sons from a previous marriage. There was Elmer

(02:33:54):
and John Charlie, their respective wives Vera and Aleen, a
brother O P. Baker, and Billy Ray Taylor and his
wife June. Both the tailors, Lucky and Vera Sutton, were
reportedly carnival workers who were visiting the family farmhouse. When
officers returned the next day, they found the house empty.

(02:34:17):
Neighbors informed them that the families had packed up and left,
after claiming the creatures had returned at about three point
thirty in the morning. So many people believe this is
a fake, you know, because that's what the skeptics do,
and in these cases we always have to put the
skeptics ahead of the real knowledge about this. So apparently,

(02:34:38):
according to ufologist Jerome Clark Okay, he writes, the supposed
creatures floated through the trees and the sound of bullets
striking them resembled bullets striking a metal bucket. Clark describes
an odd aluminous patch along the fence where one of
the beings had been shot and in the woods beyond
a green light whose source could never be determined. However,

(02:35:01):
this description was consistent with foxfire by a luminescent fungus
on decaying wood. But nobody else was there, but the
skeptics will always find something. Now. According to this these
people were so scared that they didn't know if the
beings would ever come back. And the funny part about

(02:35:22):
these beings, which stood between three and four feet tall,
I'd like to describe them. If you want to paint
a picture in your head. Take you remember Leelo and
Stitch the cartoon. You know Stitch, the short, little round
blue being with the big ears, the big round eyes. Well,
if you stretched him out and made him thin, okay,

(02:35:46):
brought him up to three four feet, that's probably what
they would look like, except more silver in color. Now,
these beings have never been seen again in the area.
There are no reports. The family never ever changed their story,
and to this day, the Hopskinsville Goblins is legend of

(02:36:09):
seventy years. What's your thoughts, Lee?

Speaker 5 (02:36:13):
So to two things. I think the the beings the
goblins were after someone. One of the They were trying
to probably take one of the one of the people
that were there, and obviously they met resistance, right, but

(02:36:36):
being that they're most likely drones of some sort, they
had their job to do and they were going to
try to do it.

Speaker 4 (02:36:44):
Now.

Speaker 5 (02:36:46):
The family left and moved away, because the beings came
back that same night at three o'clock. That that tells
me that they believe what they saw and it's scared
them enough to where they're like, you know what, we're
out of here. We're not dealing with this. This is

(02:37:06):
not a place we want to be. So, yeah, they
obviously thought enough about it to move somewhere else. You know,
if you're going into the police station saying that this
is what happened to you, and most likely their whole
family was there at the police station saying the same thing,

(02:37:29):
how is it that now they're going to be laughing
stocks of the whole town most likely with the story.
Why would you not believe them? I mean, somebody would
not come to a police station, or the whole family
for that matter, to give this story a whirl if
it weren't real.

Speaker 1 (02:37:51):
You could say the same thing about the Patterson Gimlin film,
you know, of the Sasquatch. There Patty right. I mean
these were people who were they out there looking for it? Yes,
you know, did they expect the encounter that they got. No,

(02:38:13):
and good people like that just are You're never prepared
for it. There's no way to prepare for something like that.

Speaker 5 (02:38:24):
No, And truth be told, you know, all the pointy
sticks that they had, I'm sure were for hunting right
for the most part. And we don't know how far
out of town they lived, right, but they were just there.
And I as like I said, I think there was
somebody there that they needed to go get and take

(02:38:46):
for whatever reason. But that was their job. And you're
never prepared. You're never prepared to fight aliens off. But
you know, in the case of twenty one and in
this case, pointy sticks are there just in case something
goes awry. You don't know, you're not prepared, but you

(02:39:09):
want to be as best as possible. So you you know,
especially in the woods, you were protecting yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:39:20):
Do you think then that this is Would you consider
this Hopkins Hopkinsville case a highlight of what we should
be looking for more people should be talking about.

Speaker 5 (02:39:34):
No, I don't because as far as abductions are concerned,
and situations like this, it doesn't seem like there's been
too many of these. In fact, this is the only
case that.

Speaker 1 (02:39:47):
We know of.

Speaker 5 (02:39:48):
I mean, there was the case of the school kids
seeing the alien and the ship, you know, in South Africa,
but they weren't aggressive in the way that these were
more aggressive. This kind of thing doesn't happen very often,
so once again, I don't know how you would you

(02:40:13):
would prepare for it, and I don't think that something
like this is very common at all.

Speaker 1 (02:40:21):
All right, let's move into something a little bit more
new here, because we now have a date for the
next UFO hearings. It'll be September ninth, and we are
somebody who I think we're going to try and cover
that live on our YouTube channel when it happens. I

(02:40:41):
really do believe we're going to try that and kind
of go from there. It's easy to be negative on this, like, really,
here we go again. I know I've eye rolled this
so many times. We don't need any more hearings, but
it sounds like they are going to be bringing out
some actual eyewitness experiencers. Now, are they whistleblowers? I still

(02:41:05):
don't believe that, but at least we seem to be
getting closer to the subject matter where they're planning on
bringing out firsthand witnesses. How intrigued are you by these talks?
Number one?

Speaker 5 (02:41:22):
Well, I have been very skeptical in the past of
these congressional hearings. It seems to me that a lot
of it is a dog and pony show, meant to
try and ease our minds right about the phenomenon and

(02:41:45):
give us little gold nuggets here and there. But I
am intrigued listening to Anna Palluna, Lina Lina Palluna whatever.
She sounds very grounded, and I do have high hopes
that things are going to come out, especially now with

(02:42:09):
Trump saying things and our vice president saying things jd Vance.
So I'm really I'm really hopeful now, even though I'm
still a little bit skeptical, but I am so hopeful
that we're going to get something ground baked, breaking and
earth shattering. And it seems like, Dave, you know, it's

(02:42:30):
gone from psionics to now these meta materials can dissolve
and put themselves back together. Is all this fantastical stuff.
This is just amazing technology. Some would even call magic,
but it's just tech that we don't understand. But yeah,
I'm waiting for that, for that next gold nugget to

(02:42:52):
come out, because where is that going to take us?
You know, is it going to prove one theory or
another theory. Well that's the hope, right is that the
next little puzzle piece is gonna kind of fit nicely
into that puzzle so that we can get more and
glean more information.

Speaker 1 (02:43:13):
What do you want to see come out of this?

Speaker 5 (02:43:18):
Oh boy, what would I like to see come out
of this? Well, at the end of the hearing, just
before they close, I would like our president and our
vice president and some other people to come out on
stage and say, you know what, they've been here for
a long time and we know all about it. That's

(02:43:44):
what I would like. But do you do I think
I'm going to see that. I don't think so, not yet.
I think we're still waiting for something major to happen
and they'll use that gold nugget, that major gold nugget
to sweep other things under the rug.

Speaker 1 (02:44:04):
I would like to see them come out with places.
I think if we can get some places, it would
be a very very big step forward. You know, if
some of these people said, look, when I was stationed

(02:44:26):
at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, I saw such and
such a craft. Or when I was stationed in New Mexico,
I was privy to the hangars where these craft were present.

(02:44:47):
Although the craft were not present at that time, these
are where they are storing them.

Speaker 4 (02:44:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:44:54):
I think if we were able to get something along
those lines, it would move the ball forward, it really would,
you know. And I realize that they can't come out
and say that because national security. They're going to hide
behind national security with everything, because if the Chinese or

(02:45:15):
the Russians or Ted Cruz's Space pirates ever found out
that we were holding craft at this community or that
base or whatever it may be, that they're going to
send their spies there. That's the excuse, will chick. But
here's the thing. What we don't realize the spies are
already there. Okay, money talks. It doesn't matter whether you're

(02:45:41):
American or Canadian. If somebody comes up to you and says, hey,
if you can get me a picture of this, your
mortgage is paid off. All we want is one picture. Oh,
what's a little treason for two hundred thousand dollars. There's
a three hundred thousand dollars to pay off the mortgage.

(02:46:05):
What's a little treason for one photo the spies? Do
you bring up?

Speaker 5 (02:46:11):
Yeah, you you bring up a good point talking about
having someone come forward and saying, well, this is you know,
this is where the craft are, right. But what would
be better, in my opinion, is show us the craft.
Show us, you know, a reproduction vehicle, you know, go
outside and then point your cameras in the sky and

(02:46:34):
then and show us, right, just like they do an
air show or anything else.

Speaker 1 (02:46:40):
When the.

Speaker 5 (02:46:42):
Putin's in town, why don't they just fly a craft over?

Speaker 1 (02:46:48):
True? Very true, But I mean if the spies already know, okay,
if the spies already know where these are, what are
we hiding from the American public?

Speaker 4 (02:47:06):
M hm?

Speaker 1 (02:47:07):
That's all it is? It see American public.

Speaker 5 (02:47:10):
You're right, it's the public. And it's not just American public.
It's the public around the world, right.

Speaker 1 (02:47:19):
Right, And that's true, that's totally true. But what do
you do about that? The hearings have to give us
something lee they have if it's another bust like the
last one was where lou Elizonda was all about buy
my book and Mike Gold was all NASA, NASA, NASA.

(02:47:43):
We're awesome, you know, acting like Ralph Wigham from the Simpsons,
you know, little Ralphie. I'm Idaho, right.

Speaker 5 (02:47:56):
Yeah, you're never going to get away from that. People
are always going to seek the limelight to try and
get their own agenda out there or get you to
buy their book, or get you for whatever this or that,
or you know, teach you CE five or whatever they're selling. Right,

(02:48:19):
So we're never going to get away from that. What
we're looking for for ours those fresh faces that don't
have a book to sell and just want to tell
the truth because it's the right thing to do. Like
I feel that way about David Grush, right, he doesn't
have a book to sell. He just wants plainly just

(02:48:42):
to get that information out there to the public. But
he's probably been since been co opted.

Speaker 1 (02:48:50):
Now, I would agree with you. And apparently from what
I'm hearing from insiders like Courtney Marcusani, you know, and others,
is that he's a little bit of it might be
even though he's a nice guy, from what I hear,
he's a little bit of a control freak when it
comes to making sure that this process is followed to

(02:49:12):
the way he wants it done. That's very interesting to me.

Speaker 5 (02:49:18):
Yeah, yeah, I get that feeling too. It's like he
is super by the book, no deviation from that whatsoever.
And I can appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (02:49:31):
I can.

Speaker 5 (02:49:34):
I think maybe because he's got a little bit of
a disability, that he's more hardcore on that than the
normal person would be.

Speaker 4 (02:49:44):
I know that.

Speaker 5 (02:49:46):
Certain individuals like to stick to the rules, you know,
no matter how, no matter hell or high water.

Speaker 1 (02:49:54):
So I get it. I have no problem with that.
But if you're doing it for yourself and not for
the betterment of the cause, whether it's David Groush or
Chris Mellon or Elizondo or whoever you want to mention,
as long as you're doing it for the betterment of humanity,
like you're talking about, then that's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (02:50:18):
M Yeah, it is a good thing. Let's just hope
to God that you know this, this next hearing will
get we'll get some nuggets because you know, it's been
a long time coming, and it might not be the
thing that tips the scales, but it might push us
in that direction and we might learn more and that's

(02:50:40):
what we need.

Speaker 1 (02:50:43):
Very much, agreed. So I mean this is one that
we're going to have to these latest hearings, which start
September ninth. We are literally going to have to wait
and see. There is no in between with it. We'll
have to wait and see. And you know, like, here's
human Carl, a great veteran of the United States in
our chat room. Thank you for your service, Human Carl.

(02:51:03):
I watch the first three hearings, not going to waste
my time again. If something new and important comes out
of it, I'm okay with hearing about it the next day.
And unfortunately that's the attitude of many people right now,
many many people.

Speaker 5 (02:51:20):
I agree with that. You don't need to watch it
as it goes. We can hear about it from people afterwards.

Speaker 1 (02:51:26):
That's right, that's right. We're good at that, We're very
good at that.

Speaker 5 (02:51:31):
We need the dust to settle and then we can
make our decisions and opinions upon that.

Speaker 1 (02:51:37):
After that's happened, Lee, we have fifteen seconds left before
we have to conclude this show. Do me a favor.
Tell everybody where they could find you.

Speaker 5 (02:51:49):
I'm on Facebook under leiseh Strauss. You can reach out
to me there. You can also see me out every
Friday on Element fifteen right here on space Doat Radio.

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