Aug. 7/25 - Are the Tic Tacs Real with Gary Voorhis - Spaced Out Radio

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tonight from the two thousand and four Nimitz incident. Gary
Vories is good to join us to talk about the
tic TAC and the way ufology is heading politically and
just in general with the subject. Then in our number
three it is going to be a busy one, Yes
it will. We have swamp dweller kick things off, Little

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Timmy James will be here for the UFO report. Then
it's the day of one on one night and the
weird news of the week. So let's kick things off
here because we got to get going. Gary Vories is
a former US Navy petty officer who played a pivotal
role in one of the most well documented UFO encounters
in modern history, the two thousand and four USS Knimics

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tic TAC incident. As a fire controlman and AEGEUS computer
technician aboard the USS Princeton, Gary was responsible for operating
and maintaining the ship's advanced radar and combat systems. During
the incident, he observed a tract unidentified aerial objects performing
maneuvers far beyond the capabilities of known aircraft. He also

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claims to have been involved in securing and handling data
related to the encounter, including the mysterious removal of the
radar tapes at data logs by unknown officials. Since leaving
the Navy. After serving eight years, Gary Vories has become
an outspoken advocate for transparency in the realm of UFOs.

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He is a founder a member of the UAPx, a
scientific research organization composed of former military personnel, scientists, and
engineers dedicated to investigating these phenomena through data collection, through interviews, documentaries.
In public speaking, Gary continues to push for government disclosure
at scientific investigation into this weird, strange phenomena. Let's bring

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him in, Gary Vories, It's good to have you on
spaced out Radio. I'm not sure if you're frozen up
there or not, or if you can hear us.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Let me know, yep, I can hear, and I've got
audio beautiful.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, well for our radio audience, your audio sounds wonderful.
For a YouTube audience, that is a great picture of
your beard, man, Just a fantastic picture of your beard. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Unfortunately, my podcasting equipment's little dusty.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
My friend, it has been way too long since we've
had you on this show, and I've always been a
big fan of yours, and I know you're a big
fan of what we do here as well as you know.
We may come at the UFO story from different avenues,
but it is all in one, first of all and foremost.
But I know for all of our listeners, I say
a big, heartfelt thank you for your service in the

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United States Navy and to that of the United States
and of course all of us here in North America.
Thank you for your service.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I appreciate that like always, and I always appreciate an
invite on the show. I figure your scrip in the
bottom of the barrel. You need to drag somebody on
and give me a call.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well, we have a lot of UFO information to talk
about tonight, but I just wanted for audience members who
may not have heard you speak before, because our audience
is ever growing, tell us how this all began your
life in the United States Navy, and then eventually we'll
get into two thousand and four.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, like like a lot of guys enlisted, not knowing
what I want to be when I grow up, still don't,
but became a fire controlman, worked on weapons systems, worked
on a bunch of different stuff in the service, spent
a lot of time in school, like almost the first

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two years it's just school and education. And then after
that got deployed out to the USS Princeton. It was
my first and last ship. We're all over the place
in the navy, but that was the one and only
ship I was ever on, and it proved to be

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a lasting, everlasting experience due to the limits encounter. Like
like most people have heard, you know, we encountered an
unknown object that we tracked for six to seven days,
and then we did an F eighteen interrogation of this object,
which then our jets flew in tandem with these objects

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as they countered our jets move movements and then predicted
places where they were going to be, like our cap point,
which is only known by our our own people briefed
prior prior to the the launch of our jets. You know,
so a lot of a lot of odd things going on,
a lot of a lot of a lot of weird

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things with it. The first the first things that were
weird when we were tracking these objects, they really didn't
go very fast. They just kind of seemed to roll
in a I never saw more than three or four
of them myself on the on the scope, but they
it always just do like around one hundred knots, just

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kind of going due south right along the coast. But
yet nobody seemed to notice but our radar, so nobody
really gave it much credit there. I guess they just
didn't really consider it much of a threat at the
time they took them, you know, like I said, six
seven days before they really set anything out to go

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see what they were. So we were all just you know,
everybody's always speculating, you know, ship ship boardwise.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
And then.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Then then kind of all heck broke loose, and yeah,
we're doing this interrogation of this thing, and now we
got this video floating around the video you know, we
got about a ten minute video floating around our cipronet,
which is a the secret uh, the secret side of
our internet because you have you know, the standard Internet

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where you can like, you know, go email your friends
and family, and then we have a an enclosed cipronet
or a secret net that's just within the you know,
our battle group. And I was watching these videos, you know,
I remember the first thing I said, after I've watched
the first the first pass through, is this what I

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think it is? And they're like, yeah, it seems to be,
you know, and I was basically insinuating that it was
some type of unknown object and you know's some type
of UFO And they were like, as far as we
can tell, we have no idea what it is. So
and then I watched it like one more time fully
through still just a little bit seleck job, a little

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bit like you know, just trying to really wasn't looking
at details yet, just it was just amazing to see
the video. And you guys got to see the tic
TAC video, which is a little clip that's a At
the time, back in two thousand and four, you couldn't
email over a big, large file, so he used to

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compress files and send them out via email. So you
guys get this and ended up getting to see that
little snippet because somebody got that off the ship. Now,
it probably would have been me if I could have
gotten a zip drive fast enough up to that at
that computer. But by the time I got a got
down to my shop, got my zip drive and went

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back up to get get a copy of it, it
had already been wiped off the secret land. Somebody had
already snatched off the land. Wow, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Didn't know that, Gary, Gary, I want to get into
a lot of this story in the next little bit here,
but for you serving in the United States Navy. You
served all around the world, and you know, let's take
a little bit of a of a fun look at
that for a second. Out of all the places you
sailed on the US Princeton, where was probably the funnest

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and the nicest.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Those maybe separate things. I'd say probably Perth was one
of the nicest places, Like the funnest places I went.
The nightlife, and you know, it was in my early twenties,
so the night life was amazing. And of course you
can't can't get over you know, Australia. Once you get

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past all the things that can kill you, it's pretty
it's pretty pretty amazing place.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
And then.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I'd probably say because I spent a lot of my
time in the Asian countries, so Hong Kong was a
really fun one also, and that was also an amazing,
I think, an amazing place to go to. Yeah, there's
just so many amazing places I've been to. You know,
it's like, you know, going from jungle the jungles of

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Thailand and seeing you know, these big hundred foot gold buddhas,
and you know, going to you know, the Middle East,
you know, and riding camels in the middle of Saudi Arabia,
you know, so, I mean it's been. It was a
pretty wild ride, and I tried to take advantage of
anything I could possibly do, you know. And most of
that stuff was just tours. When we would hit somewhere

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or when we'd be ford deployed somewhere, you know, they'd
have secure tours and things all set up for us
and for us to take advantage of. So I thoroughly
enjoyed a lot of my free time in the service.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Scariest place you went.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Probably Singapore, and well, I you know, I grew up
losing pool to my dad, so not realizing he was
really really, really good, which made me halfway decent, and
i'd I was playing pool in a pool hall there,

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and I was playing against a gentleman and he was
very good natured for most of the night, and then
well he lost a lot of money to me and
apparently had he had a desire to retrieve that money
from me. Once once we me and my my friends
had left, start left that that establishment, and things didn't

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go too well. They're in their direction, and we ended
up having to get to the safety of our secure,
secure pier in a very fast and fast way and
it was probably the scariest thing I'd ever had to
deal with.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Being in the ocean for as long as you served,
you got to see some amazing things, whether it was
swimming in the middle of the Pacific, whether it was
you know, probably you know, seeing some of those beautiful
sunsets that you could only see on the ocean sunrises
as well. Maybe you know, you could talk a little
bit about what it was like just being out there

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in the middle of the ocean with with nobody around
you and just you and your shipmates, you know, just
taking it all in.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Well, I would have to say probably the some of
the most memorable times were when there was really nobody
around at all, especially you know, in the evening when
you know the sun's setting or the sun or in
the morning when the sun's rising. You know, you'll you'll
catch other people out on deck, but you kind of
just unless you're out in the smoke deck where everybody's
conjugating and having cigarettes. The rest of the deck, you know,

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people tend to kind of be spaced out and not
really talking because we're all just kind of just basking
and enjoying and soaking in the scenery. One of the
most amazing evenings that I can still remember to this
day like it was yesterday, was coming out. We were
coming out of Hawaii. We had to onload missiles right

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after nine to eleven. We were coming back in for
our second salvo of Tomahawk missiles and we had we
came in to pick up missiles and we were coming
back out at night and the plankt that was just
blowing everywhere and it was just probably one of the
most magical, weird, just iridescent, crazy things that I'd ever

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seen in my life. And it it left the lasting mark,
but it meant it was like a very very tranquil
and amazing sight for me.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
So you were in the Navy eight years prior to
the Nimitz incident. Had you ever seen a UFO?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
No, no, no, I mean everybody has weird things happened
to them throughout their life, but I never seen a UFO,
never been particularly worried about them or even thinking about them.
To be honest with yes, I have, you know, watching
the X Files like half most of the rest of
the country, I didn't really think about them, and now now,

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well I know they're real. I know, at least I
know I know, there's a technology on our planet that's
being either suppressed or far more advanced than we're currently
using in the commercial market or even in the military spectrum,
at least in the normal military sector sector.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So did you ever think, you know, even maybe b
sing with your shipmates that you know, hey, what would
we do if there was a UFO out here right now?
What would we do? How would we handle it? Did
you were there? I would sounds silly. I know it
sounds silly, Gary, But were there any ever ever, uh

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you know, drills or mock drills or anything about that
for you?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
If no, you didn't talk about them at my I'm
I'm a little bit older navy. You you didn't talk
about it even even the the the whole incident that
we had, you know, nobody really outside us, you know,
two or three people kind of bsing inside of a
secret spot, and you know you really didn't say it

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out loud. You definitely didn't put it in reports, you know,
not unless you wanted to, not unless you wanted to
end up getting written up or or some some type
of negative thing would happen to you if you went
against what the command said. It was.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
So if it wasn't a point of interest or topic
of discussion. What did you know about UFOs prior to
this incident.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I didn't know a whole lot other than you know,
what everybody else sees in in the in Hollywood and media.
You know, UFOs, you know, aliens come down, whatever. You know.
It didn't make much of a trying to get my

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camera working too, so I'm trying to multicask here.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's okay, that's okay, you know, for you though, I
mean at night in the middle of the ocean. You know,
I guess you're so busy working you don't really unless
you go out on the on the smoke deck or whatever,
you really aren't paying attention to what's around you. But
I mean being out in the ocean with those you know,

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non light pollution, all the stars out there on those
gorgeous nights. You didn't just sit there and count satellites nothing.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
I mean, I used to love looking at the Milky
Way with no light pollution. I mean, I've always been
interested in astronomy, you know, trying to find the constellations
and you know, things of things of that nature. I've
always been a you know, a curious person, so I've
always wanted to know more about the universe and how

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it works and you know, the physics of everything. But
I've never I was never really never really bothered to
think about UFOs in general, not not until not until
you know, we started tracking this thing. It was it

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really did make a big difference.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
So I used to do when I started, when I
before I got into this field, I would sit out
on my patio counting satellites at night. There was just
something about it that I that absolutely enthralled me. I mean,
you had a love for space. What was your thought
before all of this? Just looking up in space at

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the Milky Way or beyond and just wondering what was out.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
There for me? It just made me feel you know,
really small, you know, because you know, understanding the concept
of an au in a light year and exactly how
immense it all was. It was just, you know, it

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was just amazing to me that life even evolved on
our planet, or even became or or was created on
our planet, you know, So I mean it was I mean,
the chances of us being able to have this conversation
are so unlikely that it's you know, you could win

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the lottery every day for the rest of your life.
And that's more likely than life on our planet at
least when you look at it on a cosmic scale.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
So you have seen the good and the bad in
the UFO world since coming out as part of the
you know, Nimitz instant. What's your thoughts right now on
just the entire UFO slash UAP perspective.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Well, I keep it, keep it very uh, very pragmatic
look on it all. You know, I don't discount somebody's
story because they don't have proof, but I don't I
don't necessarily believe any stories without proof either. So it's
it's it's a fine line you get to kind of
walk because there's so much so like, there's so much

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out there that's just basically, as far as I can tell,
you know, just people's egos or their or their their
beliefs become so strong and their ideas become so strong
that they start to believe their own stories even though
it was just a story, you know. And uh, you know,
it's one thing. If you want to have a great story,

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write a book. Don't don't get online and pretend like
you know about UFOs or no about what's going on,
because I've known some pretty amazing people that know some
pretty amazing things, and you know, even they don't really
know what's going on. They just have heard some things
or seen some things, or you know, they don't know

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the that necessarily the whole scope of things. But you know,
it's just it's an odd world. And I got a
feeling if it became all unraveled and we all found
out exactly what was going on, I think it would
be even stranger, and I don't think we would really
recognize what existence really is.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Do you like this subject? I do.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I genuinely really enjoy the subject. It's gotten so convoluted
and just honestly just not enjoyable online. But like for
people like yourself and you know, other selected individuals, I
still thoroughly enjoy it, like Matthew Shidaugas and Kevin Kanouth

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and you know, and we we we we talk about
this stuff all the time. We talk about uh, you know,
our thoughts are our ideas. You know, we just we
just had our you know, a very uh you know,
instead of getting on social media and just continuously trying
to hammer people with what we know, we just gave

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up and said, look, we we really don't know anything
more than we told you, so we're going to go
look for it, you know. So we did, you know,
our expedition in Catalina that yeah, hit or miss. It
gave us a lot of a lot of experience and
uh of what what not to do and what to do.
So that's actually was the basis of our first scientific

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paper that's been peer reviewed. We we finally got published
and it was in a pretty relatively respectable journal and
it's probably one of the most the highest profile journal
an e UFO or u AP related UH topic has
ever been published in. So I mean, that's that's been

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our crown crown achievement, as you at U A p X,
And that's what we've been we've been trying to do.
You know, we've been trying to be the uh, the
gold standard in in in this in this field because
we're we're looking at it as a scientific field and
and not necessarily you know, there's plenty of hold.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
That thought, Gary, yea hold that thought. We're going to
go to break from the two thousand and four Nimitz
incident and the USS Princeton. Gary Vories is with us
tonight on spaced Out Radio We're going to get into
the Nimitz incident when we return. Stay tuned, everybody.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
I got time to log off and log back on
real quick.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
We got five minutes. Yeah, all right, I'll be right
back all right. Trying to get his camera working. Thank
you t Bone for that lovely super chat. All right,

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let's see who else is here? Gorgeous Kim Jellen flossing
her teeth as we speak. Michael Goodierees, how are you? Seymour?
How you doing? Ja Truthseeker? Good to have you here.
Hi there, Trucker Andrew, nice to see you, Paramarv. Thanks
for coming on in. Mister Cowley, what's happening? My friend?

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Who else has jumped in here? Sensational Shelley? There she is.
Jeff Steve Garvey is here. Jeff Steve Garvey will hit
a home run for you, just you, no one else.
Jose Sanchez, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
My friend?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
All right, Garry's trying to get his camera working as
we speak. I'm gonna miss the beard man, gonna miss
the beard.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah. How about a green just a green screen? There
you go.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I love that. I love that. Yeah, no worries, no worries, buddy,
We'll get her going yeah one way or another, Yeah,
whatever whatever. I mean, I miss your pretty face. But

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I mean, what do.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
You do.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Well? You win some, you lose some. It'll be working
the next time I come on. I know that I
was doing a podcast for a while and everything worked
really smooth, and then I got on and of course,
you know, you don't do anything for like a month,
and bamn you you don't. You end up having everything

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needs to be updated. Nothing's working together anymore.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, how's the fan.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I'm doing really well. My oldest is turning seven this month,
and or my young my youngest, actually my oldest is
turning twenty one this year. So it's it's it's that's
pretty wild. You know, I'm gonna have a twenty one
year old daughter.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
I know, my daughter got engaged about a month ago.
That was, uh, that's crazy, I know, you know, And
when she called me to tell me, I was I
was like, like, where'd my baby go? She turned into
this just incredibly brilliant, successful young woman and with a

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great with a great man to help her through life
and to be a great partner. I mean, you know,
I think as a father, that's what you hope for.
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah, And you know, for me, I just hope that
I give her the ability to make good decisions. Yeah,
that's really as much as I can do and hope
for is that she's able to do that.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Oh, I'm sure you did.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
She's a smart kid though. Uh and brag on the
little one a little bit. She Uh she tested the
highest in the state ever for gifted on their gifted programs.
It was. It was pretty pretty proud dad moment.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, I can I
believe my little dude. He he's twelve and I can't
believe he's going into grade seven this year. I'm like,
where the heck did that go? How did that happen
so fast?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Well, I mean it seemed like yesterday my daughter was
just doing you know, she was just in kindergarten right when,
you know, wasn't uh, wasn't particularly doing anything, you know,
just just happy that happy to just get you know,

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snack time, and you know, super happy when she comes
home and you know, daddy's there and you know, walking
her home from school and she's telling me all about
all the all the stuff going on. But anyhow, I know,
people like to hear stuff like that, but I'm sure
they'd like to hear about UFOs more.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Well, we're going to come back in about thirty seconds.
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Gary Vories from the two thousand and four USS nimitz

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tik Tak incident is with us. He was on the
USS Princeton when this event happened. And Gary, thank you
so much for being here tonight.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Hey, it's my pleasure. I always enjoy being in this community.
It's always been a welcoming and awesome community, and I've
always tried to be very supportive.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I want to ask you, you know, when this incident happened,
take us through it. Time of year, What was happening,
What you guys were doing on the Princeton.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Well, we had gotten back from a deployment and we
had gone through a palm period, which is basically a
period of time where everything is just kind of relaxed,
everything's relaxed, everybody's good, where most of the ship is
on leave. Because we just got off of a ten
month deployment, we hadn't gotten into you know, this is

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a that was right after Iraqi freedom and during freedom,
so we went like back to back deployments, you know,
just we'd been at sea for so long. So this
is a special palm period that we really enjoyed. And
then we started doing our workups. Workups is for the

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non navy types, is when we start shaking our systems
back out, getting everything back into fighting condition, making sure
you know, we go out, we do war games, we
test our systems. And then we had actually just gotten
a lot of news systems installed right before our last deployment,
and we had shaken out all of the bugs out

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of those systems. But we then continue to need to train.
We still need to operate it because if you don't
operate equipment, it stops working. As you can tell with
my camera tonight. It is the very reason why you
do maintenance and operate at operations and continuously use everything

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because if you don't use it, it breaks. But more importantly,
we're also there's qualifications you have to achieve before you're
ready to go back out for deployment and to get
certain certifications and things like that, so we do a
lot of training exercises. During the two thousand and four event,

(33:50):
we were doing training exercises with our aircraft, our air
deck and the air deck on the limits. Our primary
job was what they would call flight guards. So while
the NEMETS is flight and flying jets, where we're running
alongside parallel with them and keeping keeping the nimets and

(34:11):
the aircraft generally safe. They've got the type of ship
I was on, which was a c G fifine, which
is a cruiser, is one of the most heavily armed
ships in the military. Shy of you tried nuclear ships,
you know, So as for just standard ordinance, you're not

(34:32):
going to find too many more heavily armed ships between
our we have short range missiles, we have Tomahawk missiles.
We've got five inch fifty four guns that shoot bullets
that basically are is about as big as a third
of your body, you know. So we've got it. We
got a lot of we got we got a lot
of a lot of ability to defend the carrier. So

(34:53):
that's why we run flight Guard. But that's also why
we're charge of all the flight operations and things that happened,
you know. That's why, uh you know, Kevin was actually
you know, sitting that seat and running the flight mission
and and all of that, and uh so, these these
things all work in tandem with their with their flight
decks too, So we were literally doing training missions, that's that

(35:16):
we were doing in the while we're doing all these
flight training missions and stuff like that. On the side
are our radars are picking up all these you know,
unknown objects going very slow, just kind of floating south
from from the Catalana Eye Island area down to uh,
you know, Baja, you know, California. And it was odd.

(35:38):
You know, we we at first when we first saw them,
we'd make comments like, you know, all these bals of
wood gliders with you know, with a you know, you know,
a four hundred foot balls of wood grider that's you know,
giving us a return. You know, we couldn't understand, you know,
what would be doing one hundred knots, you know, stay
at a stable pace, you know, a formation.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
It was.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
It was really odd, but we didn't really think too
much about it because our chain of command wasn't making
a big deal about it either. So you know, generally
in the military you don't start getting worried or start
speculating until, like, you know, your chain to make you
start having the chain of command do weird things. So
as long as they're doing just the normal operating procedure,
all you're doing is doing sewing circles about what's going

(36:23):
you know, what could be, what could they could be
and stuff like that, and most of the time when
you see stuff like that, it could be clutter, which
is basically a false positive on the radar. And within
the first couple of days we had already we had
done recalibrations and gone through the whole system just to
ensure that they were not false positives and they were real.

(36:46):
And then at a certain point, I know Kevin was
going to be running some flight operations that were going
to directly impact that area that these things kept being
seen in and flying, and we happen to see them
that same day when they were about to do some
flight exercises. So he actually went to the captain and
asked to do an intercept. Now this is his story

(37:08):
that I'm reiterating, uh for for the audience to kind
of enclose the story. As for me, what I was
doing is I was sitting in my shop in a hammock,
sleeping until somebody needed me to reset a computer, or
I'd be up on deck at night trying to see
the lights on the horizon doing weird things because even
though it's so far away, they lit up at night,

(37:29):
so you could you could get the bearing and bearing
and elevation based off of the radar and kind of
look in that direction and see if you'd see anything,
And a lot of times you see these tiny little
lights and you'd know you'd say the right thing, because
after a certain amount of amount of time they just disappear.
Either they'd just wink out, or they would shoot straight

(37:50):
up or straight right or straight left, you know, based
off your you know what, your Eurovision. And sure enough,
I'd go down to the combat where they have all
the big displays of all the radars and stuff, and
so how long ago did it disappear? And how do
you know it disappeared? I watched it, you know, So

(38:11):
it was it was pretty wild. And that's kind of
when I knew we were kind of dealing with some
type of pretty pretty advanced something or something odd. And
then after the yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
What was what was the mood of the Princeton as
this was going on?

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Excitement? You know, most of the most of us that
were privy to it were just kind of like it
was like, you know, kids with nothing better to do,
and all of a sudden something's happening. We went from
boring mundane, just you need another you need me to
reload a WS again, all right, you know, there's so many.
So it's such a grind and a routine that, you know,

(38:52):
anything like this that happens, it's just exciting. But it's
not something that we're going to be running around, you know, screaming,
Oh my god, show my gosh, you know, but no,
it's it's it's just generally brings the level of excitement.
You know, people actually want to go to watch and
see see if they come back, because they weren't always

(39:12):
on the scope. You know, a lot of people mistake
to the fact that, you know, they were constantly there
all the time. No, we would we would see them
for quite a long time, you know, a couple hours
at a time, and then they would just disappear, and
you know then we may not even see them for
another ten twelve hours, you know, so they just randomly
would come in. There was no real from what I

(39:32):
could tell, there was really no sequence of you know,
time frames that they disappeared. They would just they were either.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
There or they weren't.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
And sometimes they were, sometimes they weren't. Sometimes there was
only three of them, sometimes there was three to five
of them. I never saw more than five myself, but
according to other people, there was you know, up to
ten of them, you know, so, I mean it was
it was just I mean, you could think of when
you're a kid and you go through like just two

(40:02):
or three months where nothing happens. You're just doing the
same grind and all of a sudden, your parents come
in or something's going on. You're not sure what, but
something different is happening, you know, and it just creates
a certain certain atmosphere and excitement. And then when they
did the F eighteen interrogations, and then you know, somebody's like,

(40:24):
you know, hey, there's a video. Have you seen it?
You know, no, and drag you over to a secret
computer and you start watching these videos and it's like
this is wild, you know. And then you know, speculation
goes wild. And then the official what we're supposed to say,
the official of it is is spontaneously forming ice in

(40:44):
the atmosphere. And I remember I laughed so hard when
my chief said that. I'm like, yeah, that that mock
twenty to twenty five spontaneously forming ice that can dogfight
at F eighteen, good one, you know, And then he
gave me the most serious look I'd ever seen in
my life. And I remember just shutting straight up and
never saying a damn thing about it again, because apparently

(41:08):
that was the official story at the time.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Wow, And I never knew that part.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I never knew that yeah it was, Yeah, that was
We all considered it a joke, but they never really
put it down on paper as an official thing either.
So it was the weirdest situation because usually these things
are just constantly you know, monitored, their tight lip. They
you know, you got to sign NDAs, and there were

(41:37):
people that signed NDA's. There was you know, the people
in the Hawkeye they had to sign NDAs, and then
some of some of the sonar technicians had to sign this. So,
I mean, and I've heard some sonar texts say that
that didn't happen, and I say, here are some others
to say, it absolutely did happen. And it only happened
to these X, Y and Z people because they were

(41:59):
on watch at this particular time. And it wasn't until
probably two thousand and maybe I'm not sure when it was.
I know it was it was only maybe maybe maybe

(42:19):
eight years ago. I get a very inebriated phone call
from one of my old shipmates to tell me all
about the sonar situation, and the skinny on that was
is that they had gotten a passive track. They heard
what the thing sounded like, and they were very interested
in that. They were not so much interested in radar data.
But that just meant to me that they've had radar data,

(42:43):
but they actually were very interested in the passive track
that sonar got. And this thing was so quiet that
they almost didn't even bother to record it because it
was just something. It was so quiet. Most of the time,
stuff like that is nothing. It was quite than a
nuclear sub which is one of the quietest things that
they hear underneath the ocean. And so it's, uh, it was.

(43:08):
It was you know, if that's the truth, I believe
the guy. I mean, but like everything else, it's a story,
and it was it's a classified story that has NDA's
and it sucks, but it's the story I heard. So
but it makes sense, yeah, because I know at the
time somebody was saying something about radar, about about them

(43:31):
getting it. I I mistakenly thought it was active radar
because I didn't know. I didn't know hill Beans from that.
I mean, I understood how radar works, but I don't know,
you know, how the radar, the active and the passive
systems work. And one of the guys that I know
really knows his stuff, and he was one of the
I think he was the lead at the time in

(43:51):
this ownar that he goes, look, we didn't have the
tail in the water, so there's absolutely no way that
the US is Princeton got an active track on this thing,
right But he but then I figured out he was
scirting the truth. All right, it didn't.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I want to pause you right there because I have
a couple questions for you, Gary. How many people were
on the Princeton as this happened.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
We probably had a compliment of about I think about
four or five hundred people.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Okay, And how many people did the ship normally carry
with them as a crew.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
That was a full compliment because we had the air
deck on board. Oh now, when we don't have the
air deck on board, it says, you know, it's it's
it's about a third less. But while we have the
air deck on board, it's it's it's about four hundred
plus people.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
And how many ships were involved, because we only ever
hear about the Princeton and the Nimits, how many other
ships were involved?

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Here, well, we had a there was a sub us
and the Nimts that were out, and then we had, uh,
the rest of the rest of our battle group was
uh participating in the training events via CEC, which was

(45:06):
a new system called Cooperative Engagement Capability System. And what
it did is it allowed every ship in our battlegroup
to be able to see the same picture. So basically
our sister ship, you know, could sit on the pier
and see the same things that we were seeing based
off of the censor data off of the USS Princeton

(45:28):
and the Nimts, you know. And uh, that was one
of the big deals about this whole situation because it
was the first time that a CEC enabled bat battle
group were you know, tracked something like this. This is
this is the kind of one of the first or
the first U A P related incidents with a with

(45:51):
a CEC capable ship, and which makes sense since we
were the only ones at the time with CEC, so
we were we had the prototypes. So it was yeah,
it was it was that was one of the unique
things which kind of stunk when when they came out
to get our tapes because they actually wiped all the

(46:12):
systems for CEC because they're all hard they're all hard
disk systems, so we end up having to reload that
whole system from scratch to get it back up and running,
which is kind of stunk. But they were pretty serious
about making sure we didn't have any residual information, like
hard information about any of the metadata for the encounter.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
So, as this incident is happening, how many people were
actually involved with this on the Princeton.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
I would I would say probably everybody with a secret
clearance probably had more awareness of what was going on.
And then as your clearance got lower and lower and lower,
you would have an inkling something was going on, but
you wouldn't You just wouldn't care. You know, as you know,

(47:06):
if your your whole job is to you know, needle
gun walls and paint, you know, you're not really going
to care what's going on in radar, not unless you're
buddies with a fire controlman or something like that. But
I mean, the majority of that ship has a top
secret clearance. Just the nature of the ship itself is,
you know, being a weapons platform. It's you know, most

(47:29):
most of us all have top secret clearance. Out of
that four hundred something people. Most I mean, i'd say
everybody has classified or above, you know, and then most,
I'd say eighty five percent of the ship has a
top secret clearance or at least a secret clearance. So
I'd say everybody is at least aware that we were

(47:52):
tracking on the objects.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Okay, So as you guys are are going through this
and you're and you're taking this incident, you're trying to
figure out what it is, What was it that you
guys were seeing, because I know Kevin Day was the
radar operator on that what were you seeing?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I was getting to see just like I was. I'd
be like the passenger in this whole story. I I
got to be the fly on the wall. I got to,
you know, every piece of equipment that they were utilizing
to track and operate, you know, to to see these things.
You know. The display systems were our systems. The radar

(48:36):
was our radar, you know. So I was able to
be everywhere to see what was going on and to
hear from the people that were doing the operations what
was going on with them. And I tried to be
I tried to be there anytime I could, like if it,
you know, because sometimes depending on who's on watch in

(48:59):
those areas. It's it's a little bit more lenient than
than other times when, like, you know, like if you're
if it's midnight and you're you're hanging out in combat
Central and there's no operations going on, nine times at ten,
nobody's even a second second even ask me why I'm there,
especially since all my equipment's in there. You know, every

(49:21):
every single display in that in that room is one
of my pieces of equipment. So I you know, generally,
as long as I gotta wrench in my hand or
look like I'm busy, nobody's gonna ask me why I'm there.
So I just made it a point to come up
and you know, clap clap the radar technicians on the
back and say, how's it going, guys? You guys need anything?

(49:41):
You know, can I get you a fresh coffee? What
do we got going on here? What's going on with
these tracks?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
You know?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
How did you find out about this? I know you
said that that you guys have been tracking uh these
for a few days, but what point did it peak
your interest?

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Ironically, I found out smoking I was out in smoke deck,
one of the one of the spy technicians. It said,
you see these tracks yet like that. He goes, well,
you're probably gonna get a call soon because we're going
to have to do h X, Y and Z because
of you know, to get rid of the clutter. And
I go all right, and I go, well, how how

(50:21):
how solid do they look? He goes, They look good
to me, but you know, they they want to make
sure that they're solid tracks, so you'll get you're going
to get a call soon. So you're going to be
in computer And at that time I was the only
computer technician. So it's like, uh, you know, it's more
of a great I've been up all night on watch.
Now I get to spend all day running computers, you know,

(50:41):
simulations and things like that and pulling you know, pulling
uh computers on and offline and resetting them and running
running tests and stuff like that. It's a it's probably
about a four hour process and a twenty four hour
four hour of like intense work and then twenty four
hours of running tests and you know, making sure everything

(51:02):
working properly. So it's just a oh, explain tracks. Okay.
So when you're looking at the radar, it's not like
the old school where you see, you know, that tiny
little blip and it's going around. We still have a
radar like that on board, but these would be big
graphical displays like you see on a TV or something

(51:23):
like that, and you're going to see triangles and squares
and you know, all these different icons and stuff. And
we you know, everything that moves, whether it's on surface
or in the air, that we're tracking is called a track.
So each individual object that we're tracking is called a track.
So if I say, you know, I was going up

(51:44):
to see the tracks, it was I was going up
to see the things that our radar was looking at
at the time.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
That's interesting, that's so interesting. So at what point did
you realize that, you know what where you're basically saying
this is something not right, not normal. At what time
did that really go? You know, that light bulb for me?

Speaker 3 (52:09):
For me, that was when, you know, when I saw
three aircraft doing one hundred knots in a you know,
in a loose formation, what a tight like formation you
see with the blue angels, but we'll say they were
in a you know, triangle formation kind of loosely, you know,
weren't weren't like, uh, you know, the back to or
off a little bit, but they were generally in a

(52:30):
triangle shape and moving moving south at one hundred knots.
That was very unusual because I mean, you know, generally
tracks like that, you know, they would be squawk, you know,
even if it was a you know, most things in
the sky have some type of identifier, whether it's a
physical identifier or what they call I f F identification

(52:53):
friend or FOE, which is a beacon that most commercial
and commercial and military aircraft have that identified them. It'll
tell you their tail number there and with who they are,
so that you know. It's how we know the difference
between a commercial airliner and a hostile jet coming in.

(53:16):
So for me being in if you know, if I
was in charge, I probably would have accelerated the timetable
at which we we had because I found that to
be very odd. But as an E four and generally
nobody would know who I am as long as the

(53:37):
computers are running. Guy not up to me. So it's that.
But that's the point at which I knew it was
something that there was something odd going on.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Did you feel safe at that point or is there
kind of a I need a thirty second answer here
or was it kind of like what are we dealing with?

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I felt completely safe the whole time. I never heal
and danger at all.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I guess that's a good sign. Yeah, do you find then?
Oh no, please go ahead second.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah, I think it was either a false sense of
security or ignorance. Either way.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Well, Gary, I'm gonna get you to hold on right there,
because we are going to go to break here at
the top of the hour. We're going to continue with
Gary's amazing story. We're going to get into the tic
TACs what he thinks they are. We got a lot
to discuss. Gary Voyes was a part of the two
thousand and four USS Nimits incident with the tic tags.
He was on the radarship the USS Princeton. He was

(54:47):
right there in the control room when everything was breaking down.
We're going to get more of his story when we
returned on spaced out radio.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
Spaced out bringing with Hopes past.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
All right, Gary, we got about six minutes here. We're
gonna turn things over to the dirty One so I
can go over his cartoons. We'll be right back in
a few Gary.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
God you that by the Avey's got to go.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
Let the dog Dog man out throughout for e now. Well, everybody,
I hope you're having a wonderful night. I finished my
April drawing for my sixth calendars.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Night's go.

Speaker 7 (55:38):
I got it night Crawler and Lady night Crawler kind
under April showers.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
I thought that'd be a good one.

Speaker 7 (55:46):
Last year I did it Alien prancing around in the rain.
But I difigured to go with night Crawler today because
I also have my fancy Lady Nike Crawler Pleshi look
at the drikings of that. And if anybody's interested on
Sunbriday's at three o'clock or two o'clock Pacific time, rather

(56:07):
draw more cartoons, except it's me rambling and fighting the cats.
So if you guys are interested on Cyburday, said GMO
is based out radio on YouTube, I'll be.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
There drawing cartoons.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
So hellok, king jeans two thousand and four, few odd break,
Oh geez, I don't even know what I was doing
in two thousand and four. So we're still working at
like a little caater or something. It's sy't hitting upset

(56:43):
here because they're apparently starving to death, but the snacks
will be incoming very soon. I got this fancy new laptop,
but I don't really know how we're called that bugs and
everything on the basis this is stuff. We had a
figure of one here, so I haven't had a nut
fure or anything since twenty eleven. Men and Beard dragsterious.

(57:13):
I went to a dream racing thing once. It was
pretty cool. Watch of a car guy like the monster
trucks were pretty neat. I went to one of the
posts before watch Grave Digger. It's prett neido aprinly Canada.
It's actually I had to close the studio window because
I started wearing rain outside, and which is nice because

(57:34):
this summer we had enough rains. But it hasn't been
super smoky, well at least in Alberta. I know Ode
East everybody's choking on Manitoba's smoke, but for its lean
it's not Alberta, which is nice. Lot the flight assessment,

(58:00):
you're verified of flying, I would definitely let Jim Goodall
show up with the SR seventy one and take me
for a ride.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
That'd be awesome.

Speaker 7 (58:11):
I think if I hadn't, I think, if I had
a thought that we should probably make me feel better.
I always get all sweaty and you know, waked out
everything flying.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Hello, lovely jewels.

Speaker 7 (58:26):
I hope you're having a wonderful leaving as well. Yeah,
Gremlan's looking at me like he's only starving to death.
He just flopped over, poor guy. Brian Morgan work in

(58:49):
the graveyard shift, well, at least you get all the
posts and rules and stuff to keep you company. Maybe
you don't actually work in a graveyard. Nonetheless, they get
cool to work in the great yard. My family used

(59:10):
to own the Hills Memorial Home, which was doubled as
a funeral home and creamatorium, and then I pox slived there
for a while. It was interesting, so I went out
to the edge and one for a week and pulled
the lawn and everything. Didn't have any weird ghost experiences though, Hi,
Shelley boy, I think I figured it out. I had

(59:42):
to download some program thing to get the brightness up
on my my camera here, because apparently you can't just
do it via the stream yard. Anyways, I'm ramming away here.
It's just most of the time for the cats. Oh,
I'm gonna probably scribble some more cartoons after this. Yes,

(01:00:13):
if you're nothing to do with two o'clock specific Saturday's
only drawing cartoons were doing me another probably another one
for the calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
I'm not quite sure yet.

Speaker 7 (01:00:24):
You just kind of kick one of the ten million
drawings and they've scribbled out here and go with it.
But guys, everybody has a wonderful night. Thanks Dave, Thanks Gary,
you guys, Thank you Dirty all right, shall see you
in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
See you later, buddy, dirty filth. Everybody there, we gook
Gary's beard. Look how beautiful that beard.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Is getting there, getting there.

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So while we were waiting for it, I did noted
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on spaced Out Radio, our guests tonight. He was part
of the incident in two thousand and four, the new
wave of ufology, the Nimitz incident with the tic TACs.
Gary Vorhees was on the USS Princeton when this event

(01:02:39):
went down, and we got him here tonight, and it's
a great show so far. Gary, thank you for being
here with us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Hey, it's my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
So many questions.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I'm a little lethargic. Yeah, I noticed I notice during
during the little break that there's quite a few questions here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Will we will get to those, I promise you. I
promise we will get to audience questions. First off, how
close did the tic TACs get to you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
In my experience, they weren't very close at all. I mean,
even through like the high powered binoculars we had on
the bridge wing that we call the big Eyes, you know,
I could I could barely see the light at you know,
dusk and at night, and during the day you couldn't
see them at all. So now we weren't doing a

(01:03:29):
like a box shape in the ocean. So there was
times when we would be much closer than other times.
So you know, that's actually when I would try to
see them, is when we were as close as possible
to the tracks. But you know, us steaming around in
that big box shape, you know, we weren't always right

(01:03:51):
next to them. But as for the non classified range
of the radar, at two hundred and sixty five nautical miles,
we were within two hundred and sixty five nautical miles
of him. How by the way, that's that's the horizon.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Right, yeah, right? Did they ever seem to be getting closer?

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
No, Honestly, they didn't really seem to react to anything.
We were doing until we did our intercept. They didn't
really seem to care we were there at all, to
be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
So you really didn't have, you know, a good look
outside of the radar. How did Kevin Day come up
with the idea or was it a group effort that
it was maybe time to dispatch some FA eighteen super
hornets from the Nimitz to check this out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Well, it wasn't his decision, but it was his It
was his incighting that that created the opportunity for that
to happen. During the day that we did the interrogation,
they were set to do flight operations within the same
area that we were tracking these unknown aircraft, and so

(01:05:05):
he felt that there might be a flight safety risk
having these things in the area with our you know,
with us operating so close that uh and had requested
from our captain to do the interrogation, and then after
their their discussion, they decided it was a good idea.
And there's several several waves of airplane actually went out

(01:05:29):
and investigated it. Because the FA team that you you know,
the Fraver, which is now famous for this whole incident,
he wasn't even the first person interrogated. It actually was
a marine pilot that was doing the operations prior to that,
and then once he landed, you know, he basically told them,
you know, make sure you got a flear pod before

(01:05:50):
you go back up. And then Fraver and then went
up in the air and did their interrogation. So and
while they were in the air, you know, they had
no idea what they were going up for, and you know,
they started getting questions like, you know, do you have
a do you have any type of load out? You know,
when pilots start getting those kind of questions to get

(01:06:10):
a little nervous. And I remember seeing Dietrichs and Fraver's
interview and you know they kind of freaked them out
when they were asked that. And you know, I can
I can understand. You know, you're up there in this
one of our most advanced pieces of technology and here's
this thing with no wings or visible you know, ability

(01:06:31):
to fly just a propane tank in the sky or
tic tack. And it's it's matching you you know, maneuver
from the maneuver. And you know we were already we
already knew, you know, from it going berserk during the
you know, either there was multiple of them or it
went berserk and we were tracking the same object the

(01:06:51):
whole time. Either way, at certain points, you know, these
things were going you know, twenty eight thousand feet to
the deck, which is sea level in zero point seven
seconds is something that that's what the SCU figured out,
you know, I mean some of some of the some
of the numbers that the SCU figured out based off
of eyewitnesses and and and what what we based off

(01:07:12):
of what we saw on the radar data. You know,
we're insane. I mean, just there's nothing on Earth that
can move that fast, at least nothing that we had
at the time. And you know, so that's what lended
me to believe it was more UAP related, you know,
you know, off world related than and then then you know,

(01:07:34):
our technology for a long time, but then you know,
now that it's been since you know, since twenty nineteen,
I started to delve a lot more into it instead
of like just you know, not talking about it because
you're sound crazy. But I'm I'm on the fence. You know,
I really don't know whether you know, our government had

(01:07:57):
had a cartel on technology and if it does, and
you know, with the I don't know if you want
to start touching, you want to touch base on these
allegations about them being a Lockheed project. I found I
find it a bit out of the realm of possibility
that in two thousand and four Lockheed had a secret

(01:08:19):
project of an object that could that could basically defy gravity,
that could do a mock twenty plus and stop on dime,
and basically treat inertia like it doesn't exist. It's a
hard pill to swallow for me, especially since the Razor

(01:08:39):
flip phone was the most advanced phone we had for
cell phones at the time, you know, So it even
even if you go the twenty year rule, you know,
where everything that they're developing is twenty years ahead of
what you see commercially. That's you know, I'm looking at
stuff that's like, you know, our physics hasn't figured out yet,
or at least that we know of, at least in

(01:09:02):
the regular world. So it's it still is a hard
pill to swallow. But seeing some of the other stuff
that the government has done, I wouldn't put it past
them to endanger the entire world to try to keep
these type of technology secret. And I say that not
with that's I say that with a very heavy grain

(01:09:25):
of distaste if that's the truth, Because if the truth
is is that this is a Lockheed Martin project, it
honestly sickens me to my stomach that they would hold
back a technology that could save so many people. I mean,
that ship or that that craft that can move the
way it did, could have just one of those ships

(01:09:48):
could have evacuated any island that was about to get
hit by hurricane. Any one of those ships can deliver
supplies anywhere on the planet in seconds. But yet they're
going to hold back to technology. And not only that,
the technology that powers this thing could literally power the

(01:10:08):
entire Earth. That the amount of power that the SEU
figured out that this would need to do the things
that it did is more than we generate on our
planet in a year. So it honestly, if that's the case,
and that's the truth, that this is a lucky project,
it makes me sick.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
There's a lot of people who tend to believe that
this is some sort of project that goes along with having,
you know, human technology. I mean, do you think that
you're that advanced on everything, or that the United States
is that advance or is it all just egregious thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Well, if we do, like I said, if we do
have advanced technology like that, then we got a bigger
problem than whether there's aliens the present on our planet.
We got an issue of our government that lies to us,
which we already knew that. I mean most people already,
you know, I mean, especially in our circles. We know
the government lies. But there's there's good lies and there's

(01:11:15):
bad lies. And then there's going to be people that
say no, lies are good. But there's an unfortunate truth
to the world that we live in a nice, sugarcoated
reality where we get to live our day out, day
in and day out, and we don't have to worry
about you know, third world countries and and things beyond
our borders. For the most part. We get to live

(01:11:36):
our little you know, our nice little lives. And I
do too. You know, if it doesn't come within my bubble,
I'm not going to really react to it other than
if somebody asked me my opinion. So, but the fact
that they would lie to this extent and literally keep
mankind from advancing with this kind of technology, this is

(01:11:59):
man kind advancing type technology. So if this is the truth.
It's so much worse than aliens, and you know, you
finally got me to say the A word. But it's
so much worse than off world technology. Then it's it's
it's it would be inexcusable. I'd say it would be

(01:12:23):
the reason for literally uprooting our entire government. It would
it would cause all kinds of problems if that, if
that were actually a reality.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
So when Ross Coltheart kind of brought that story out,
and I had been talking about this for about a
year and a half, Gary, what was your thoughts when
that story came out?

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Bullshit? I love Ross and I guarantee he had a
credible source. I guarantee he did his due diligence to
resource it. I've met Ross, he's an excellent journalist. But
I believe that there's more to that story. There's a
lot more to that story. And until we get the
rest of that story, it's not just that it's a

(01:13:11):
Locke Eat project. Lockeed might have gotten the technology like
a working ship or something like that. It's hard for
me to believe that they developed that technology.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
What color were.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
They like an off white kind of like an opaque
kind of color, because you can only really, I can
only see it when it was lit up at night,
so I mean, and it was just a eggshell off white.
And their size, according to Commander Favor, which had the

(01:13:50):
first the only other than the Hawkeye crew that had
the first first hand encounter with it, he says, it's
about the same size.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
As a F eight, so about forty seven feet roughly.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Yeah, no wings, no propulsion systems, just looking like a
propane tank at the gas.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Some type of something's coming out of the bottom of it,
and that's it. And they weren't anything big enough to
you know, be considered some type of propulsion. But the
most amazing thing about it was his heat signature. Everybody's like, well,
it didn't go very fast or this is that, and
I go, it didn't go very fast while we were
tracking it, you're right, but when it got intercepted it

(01:14:33):
it was running around like a bat out of hell.
And then on top of that, the entire heat signature
for the whole thing was universal, like, meaning that the
entire thing was the same temperature. That just doesn't happen,
because I mean, just straight physics alone of something moving
through the air. Air is solid, it's not solid enough

(01:14:53):
for us to not be able to move through it.
But air has mass it will cause for That's why
we have an entire aerospace uh you know, uh industry
that has to figure out exactly how to keep those
big you know, prinle cans in the sky because of
friction and air air, you know the force of air.

(01:15:13):
And there's no there's no way in heck you can
tell me that they you know that there there wasn't
some type of there should be there should be hot
spots on the heat signatures. There should be some type
of evidence of it moving through the air. You know,

(01:15:33):
I mean when it when it goes from you know,
twenty eight thousand feet to sea level and point seven seconds.

Speaker 8 (01:15:39):
You know, when the shuttle does that, it's it's it's
bright red. You know, you see the friction of it
coming through our atmosphere. You mean, this thing had one
heat around the whole thing. And then you know, unless
I could get a hold of the metadaate, I couldn't
tell you what the temperature was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
But that's just not possible with our technology.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Were you able to listen in on the radio conversations
as this was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
I heard a little bit the chatter, you know, previous
to the to the encounter, I didn't get I wasn't
even awake when they did the intercept. I got to
see the video after the fact. So I mean so
I wasn't privy to any of the actual conversations. I've

(01:16:31):
been told about them, but I haven't been wasn't there firsthand?

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Rumor has it that a couple of men in black,
so to speak, to use that term loosely, after the
incident was done, came and confiscated the tapes that the
nimits had, as well as what you guys had. Did
this happen? Number one? And number two? What's going through

(01:17:00):
your mind when all of a sudden these spook like
guys come in here and steal your evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah, I hate, hate to kill the majesticness of men
in black. But they were actually men in khaki. They
were guys in polos and khaki pants. They looked like
the standard tech reps. But I didn't know any of them.
And I knew all the Lockheed guys. I knew all
the Northrop guys. I knew all of our all all

(01:17:27):
of the people that were responsible for our ship systems
that would be involved with the information that they were taking.
I knew all of them because we had just spent
seven months in the yards prior to our the the uh,
the last deployment. We were on installing all these together.
I know, you know, broke bread with all these guys,

(01:17:49):
you know, I mean, I spent a lot of time
with them. I knew all of the tech reps. These
were completely unknown guys. They just looked like stereotypical you know,
already something guys and polos and khakis and there was
you know, and they requested all of our tapes and
any tapes that we we didn't have any anything recorded

(01:18:10):
on needed to be deleted. That's basically so that it
would give it a time stamp, so that we can
ensure that they were deleted on the same day that
they had taken the tapes, so if somebody shows up
on the ship when we hit port, they can go
through and check every single tape and know that I
didn't keep any information behind. And uh, you know, the

(01:18:31):
only thing I had to sign was a chain of
custody for those tapes. That's it. And you know Master
Chief Kirby at the time, the one he said, nope,
you've got to give these to these guys. So here
you go, go get all the tapes. Roger that master chief,
scurry on up E four, go go grab and go.
Do as your master chief says. So I did it
and grabbed all the tapes Brian Dak and spent the

(01:18:51):
next like however many hours just deleting everything.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Did you think that you would ever see him again?
Did you know they were gone for good?

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
I honestly never thought i'd see the light of day
of any of this. I didn't think it would come
out in an article in the New York Times. I
honestly thought I'd just be called that crazy old vet
that says you saw aliens for you know, forever. And honestly,
it wasn't a story that I really even spoke about.
Not that I was afraid to talk about it. It's
just that was gonna believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
When this happened and you're watching all of this take place.
How come you guys were allowed to talk about it?
How come you guys were allowed to come out with
this event and not violate any NDAs.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
After twenty plus years of thinking about that very question,
the only thing I can come up with is that
the data that we had acquired via our systems wasn't
as important as the data that they had gotten from
the Hawkeye and they had gotten from our sonar technicians.
I think that radar data must have been mundane for them.

(01:20:05):
They must have already had some type of radar data,
they must have a database of it. It might must
not be a big issue. Plus, you know, we're all
under top secret clearance already. You know, generally we can't
speak about our systems for the most part. Basically, we
have basically a classified unclassified specifications of our equipment. So
as long as we keep to the unclassified specifications, we

(01:20:28):
don't get in trouble. And that just means how well
our equipment operates, you know, to what to what extent
is are their abilities? And there's a there's a damn
good reason we don't talk about it because we do
have real life adversaries in this world, and you know,
we don't necessarily need them to know that we can
see them from X, y or Z distance.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
After you guys came out, did anybody come up to
you guys and say, hey, you know you shouldn't be
talking about this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
None of Well, that's why it's it's a hard pill
of swallow when these guys come. You know, I can
understand some of these, you know Washington guys, because that's
that's that's those are the guys that are that that
will string you up. But nobody's come, you know, and
I've openly said that somebody knocks on my door and says,
you probably should go ahead and hang up your hat,

(01:21:22):
I would because you know, my family is more important
than any of this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
But true, very true. What was your thoughts then, as
we got about two and a half minutes to go here,
when David Fravor and Alex Dietrich came out talking about
trying to intercept.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
These I was happy because, I mean, the entire reason
Kevin convinced me to come public with this is too
in support of Commander Fravor. You know, we knew it happened.
You know, he knew it happened. He had come out
about it, and you know Kevin, you know he was

(01:21:59):
you know, very in a minute about supporting uh Commander
Favor and you know they got that patriotic juice is flowing.
You know, you got to make you got to make
sure your shipmate's not ridiculed or you got to get
support each other, you know, And that's the whole reason
why I came out about it. So it was, it
was it was kind of a point of finally, you know,

(01:22:23):
maybe we'll get the whole story that chance, but at
least we got more of the story.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
The two thousand and four incident is pretty much known
as the new age of uphology? Did you think it
would have that much impact.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Based off the credibility of the witnesses?

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Gary, you froze up on us?

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Can you? Can you still hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Yeah? There we got you?

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Okay, all right? Just a camera then it's a my
poor aging computer. It's it's struggling. But either way you
get to see me stare. I'll leave that picture up.
But uh, if restate the question, the interruption messed me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Up, well, just just in regards to do you think
it would become as popular as it did, that it
would blow up the way it did.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
I wasn't sure that it would blow up the way
it did, but I'm not surprised now looking back on it.
And it's definitely the line that Washington and the government
has taken that you know, we will admit that there's
something going on from this point on which kind of
I think it's kind of like what I refer to

(01:23:45):
as the liability point. They're not going to take any
credit for anybody that's died, just your careers, destroyed, murdered,
you know, all the stories you hear about all these
tragic things that happen around people that know something about
these things. And I think that that's kind of a

(01:24:05):
way for them to negate liability for any of that stuff,
you know, And it's kind of like a you know,
but then again they turn around, they open up an
organization like Arrow that as far as I can tell,
it's just the new blue book.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Hold that thought. Gary, We're going to talk about Arrow
next on spaced Out Radio.

Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
You're listening to space Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
All Right, we are clear, dude, big shout out to
be Arthur b Arthur there he is from the Paranormal Portal.

Speaker 9 (01:25:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
You guys were never asked to shoot it shoot them down?
Were you?

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
No, we weren't, and honestly I don't think we could.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
The only thing I've heard from a third party is
that something similar to that craft has been taken down
with what they called d U rounds or depleted geranium rounds. Right,
I'm not sure the truth of it, but that it's
a that this is like a telling of a telling

(01:25:44):
of a telling of a story. So you know, take
it with a grain of salt by that the French
government was able to take down a UAP with a
depleted uranium which is depleted geranium rounds.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
That's interesting. Yeah, what's your thoughts then on? You know,
the way Jeremy Corbell and others have told this story.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
I think they're happy to try to control the narrative.
I've got a tremendous amount of respect for George Knapp too,
and you know, I don't particularly enjoy the flair at
which they portray everything, and I think that they should
definitely hold back a little bit more and do a

(01:26:35):
little bit more research before they you know, just you know,
bring something out at high noon.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Not a fan.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
It's a it's a bit sensational for me. You know.
It's like when I say we don't have it yet,
it's because we haven't finished working with it. We haven't
finished doing the work on it. And I think that
if you don't finish the work and just trying to
be sensational. It's it's you know, but I mean that's
that's what they do, that's their their jobs. So it

(01:27:08):
comes down to it. At the end of the month,
the mortgage has got to get paid. So sensational works.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
What about somebody like louell Issondo.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
That's a hard nut to crack, and that's a big ball.
I don't want to get involved.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
I can understand. No, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Yeah, well no. I I like the guy personally. I
know him, you know, I speak to him on a
on and off general basis, and uh, he's always been
decent with me. He's always been straightforward with me as
far as I can tell, he's never actually lied to me.
So I can only base it off of my own
personal interaction with him. I still blown away by, like

(01:27:55):
the pictures of the you know, crop circles and the uh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Around here. We actually, in dedication of Lou, we have
a T shirt called the u LP the Unidentified Lighting Phenomena.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah, but to it, you know, I think it's he
should have just done a little bit more due diligence
to find out whether or not something that was real
before it went out. I think he's a victim of
his own celebrity at this point, and he gets a
you know, he probably got a briefing and went through
it real quick and then just went out with it

(01:28:34):
and didn't really didn't vet it as much as it
should have been. I think that's most likely when had
happened with that, But who knows, Maybe he's maybe he's
uh disinformation agent too. You're never gonna know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
No, I just wish I could lose weight like he
has lately. Holy cow.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
Happens, so who knows. I don't have no clue how
he does it? Well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Comment from Beno Dave's beard is being challenged today. Oh
that's nice. Gary's got the color. He's witten on the
color right now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Ah, but you got it. I mean you, uh, there's
a certain there's something we said for the achieving the
color that you have. It's a it's a it's a
a point of pride and h I honestly, I can't
wait till my mind's like that, because then I could be, uh,
you know, either I can be Jesus or Santa Claus

(01:29:36):
or no.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Uh, I'm pulling for sasquatch Santa Claus right now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
You know, I knew you would.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
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(01:31:24):
Gary Voies. He was on the USS Princeton during the
incident in two thousand and four where the Princeton and
the USS Nimtz aircraft carrier ran into the tic TACs
off the coast of California. He's our guest tonight, Gary,
thank you for being here. Let me unmute you there,
there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
There we go like alwa, It's my pleasure. I remember
how to use that mute button.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
I want to ask you, buddy, in regards to this,
what is something that now that this story has been
out for eight years and it's twenty one years since
the incident, what is something you want the public to
know about this?

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Don't stop pressing, you know, don't stop asking questions about it,
don't stop, you know, pushing your local representatives to get
it more information about UAP, because there's definitely something going on,
and until we can get serious scientists on board, which

(01:32:31):
is starting slowly, it's it's we're not going to really
be able to unravel this anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
So you have kind of taken a little bit of
a break on this. I mean, you were very much
a public figure regarding this when this story came out
for about three four years five years, and since then
you've kind of taken a step more behind the scenes
and are much less public about it. Why did you

(01:33:02):
decide to take a step back?

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Probably for two reasons. I already had my fifteen It's
not as interesting anymore once people hear your story, and
you really the only thing I have to talk about
is our research at this point. You know everybody's heard
the story, you know, not people, not as many people
are interested. It's easy enough to just search me on YouTube,
watch the one of the five hundred episodes of things

(01:33:29):
that you can, you know, and find out everything you
need to know about the Nimens encounter. Or you can
just go to Dave Beattie's site and check out his
small video about the encounter. That's probably the best rendition
if you want to know exactly how it went down.
That thing gave me goosebumps, it was so on point,

(01:33:51):
and that's the Nimens encounter. You can just find it
on YouTube for free. So, but the amount of time
that it takes to constantly keep doing the social media
takes away from my family. I'm big in the church,
and I'm probably an odd ball in this world because

(01:34:12):
I'm a conservative Christian, you know, so you know, I'm
not I'm not out there hunting bigfoot like like some
of y'all are. And you know, honestly, I'm a little
envious because I'd like, I'd love to be out in
the woods with you, just to be out in the woods.
But uh, but it's, uh, you know, I've got I've
got other priorities, you know, I got you know, I

(01:34:34):
had to run the company. I got to you know,
provide and help take care of, you know, everything that
we're trying to get done too. It takes time and
takes effort. And and then of course, like I said,
you know, my family in church, I do a lot
for you know, I got eighteen nieces and nephews within

(01:34:55):
like a couple of miles, and you know, there's never
a day I'm not busy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
I don't blame it was so.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Between the the you know, the fading interest and hearing
my voice and uh, the you know, being being busy,
I just didn't really see a reason. And then when
I really did feel like kind of coming back out,
me and me and my friend Ben, we you know,
we started our podcast and we got to know, we

(01:35:25):
got a couple episodes and we kind of faded in
and out there. You know how it is trying to
keep keep that schedule going and we were only doing
it every two weeks. So TRUDEO is to you, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
I won't let it go, my man, I will not
let it go. Hey, I do want to ask you, uh,
before we get to some audience questions here, I'm going
to start off with an opinion on it. I thought
the way Arrow treated the USS Nimman's incident was it
felt amateur. It felt like they were just trying to

(01:35:59):
sweep something on the carpet that they really didn't want
to deal with. Your thoughts on Arrow is a description
of the two thousand and four incident.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Piss poor. Yeah, I happen to agree. You know, my
company UAPx, we actually had a briefing with Kirkpatrick and
his team and we briefed him about Kevin's papers, We
briefed him about other reports, We briefed them about basically
everything in the legitimate scientific world of UAP research. You know,

(01:36:32):
we we have to stick to that type of stuff
when we deal with the government. So anybody that's upset
that we do weren't worried about experiencers and stuff like that, Well,
when we can't go into that realm, we have to
just go with the things that we can prove or
that we know that they can prove, you know, you know,

(01:36:52):
and then come to find out for most of the time,
they didn't even have the clearance to even pull the
data that they said that they were checking out. You know,
it's like, how a you're gonna tell us this story
when you don't even have the clearance or the or
the uh, you know, you can't even pull that you
don't even have the ability to get the data to

(01:37:15):
do the research. So honestly, after that whole incident, I
just I just basically said, Okay, Project blue Book two
point zero, move on.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Did you feel let down?

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Yeah? Yeah, I had a you know, I was really
rooting for kirk Patrick. I was really rooting for Arrow,
and it back in my mind, I said, you know,
my brain's saying, no, it's just another gateway, It's just
another way for them to you know, change the narrative
so that every single one of these, you know, all
of the foyas that are in right now will all
end up being nullified because you know, now all the

(01:37:54):
data is being responsible by this new organization, so you
don't have to resubmit you know, thousands of four. I
guess I thought it was just a way I screw
and screwing up for yous and paperwork and being a
new gatekeeper, and I was right, and that that bad
voice ended up being right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
All right, let's get some audience questions here. Let's uh
start with Shelley here. Gary, can you explain how you
calculated the speed of the tic TAC exact longitude, latitude
and and where there was they were in distance.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Without getting my college calculus book out? Absolutely not. But
there's some very very smart people that have already figured
that all out for us. And if you go to
the Scientific Coalition for U I P Studies or U
s c U, if you type in s c U
and do a search, they've done a systematic day by day,

(01:38:56):
point by point analysis of the speeds all everything to
do with the limits encounter. So he definitely, uh, that's
that's the most in depth I've ever seen it taken
care of. They did a better job than the government,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
All right. Let's go to Pauli here. If the tic
TAC is ours, who, in your opinion, would be driving them?
Hybrid super soldiers, drone operators? What would it take a
human to drive it?

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
It would either be depending on the technologies involved. If
they're anti gravity and basically meaning that the inside of
it is no, there's no inertia being inertial forces being
pushed upon the pilot, then we could have a human pilot.
But if there's if that exists, if that technology is
not part of that package, then I would say it's

(01:39:51):
probably either an AI or remotely operated like a drone.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
All right, let's move on to Candae Here, to your knowledge, Gary,
what's the most advanced technology you've seen or experienced to date?
If you were able to say.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Oh, absolutely, the TIC TAC, there's nothing more advanced than
that thing. I've never seen it nor heard of anything
more advanced than it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Well, let me let me follow that up. Then, in
your years on patrol with the Navy, had you ever
had other maybe Black project aircraft fly up with you guys,
or or be around you guys, maybe in sensitive varies.
I don't know if you if it did happen, I
don't know if you'd be able to talk about that

(01:40:43):
or not. But had there been other encounters.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
It's it's it's unclassified now. Uh yeah, I ran it.
It was the lost UAV that was that was a
black project. They it was basically UAV they were using
to monitor board activities before we did the search, search
and seizure on ships. And at the time it was

(01:41:07):
it was all just a you know, it was a
I don't know if it was. I wouldn't say, actually
know what. I wouldn't call that a black project. I
would more call that a prototype project, but as actual
black projects, like you know, here's the NBA. No, I
have no privy, I've gotten I've never had any experience
with that, just experimental equipment.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
All right, Moving on here, let's go to t Bone.
How did you enjoy your time at Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
I love the time there. I'm still good good friends
with all the guys from there. I know Jason didn't
he actually uh he got pretty messed up on the ranch,
so he didn't even come back for the second day
in filming because of the first day, he just knocked

(01:41:59):
him on his butt whatever was going on there, So yeah,
it was pretty wild. I enjoyed the time there, and
they definitely were able to produce some As you guys
would call it high strangeness, I would call it anomalous activity.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
I actually have been chatting with Brandon Fugel via text
message in regards to an area up here that I'm investigating,
and he is very interested in seeing what's happening up here.
Because of the amount of high strangeness. It's kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
If your government was going so weird, I'd come up
and say, Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
All right, let's get to PARAMIV here. Recently, some folks
are saying that the tic TAC you encounter was man
made based on your knowledge of our capabilities. Do you
have any reason to believe that is true? I know
it's already been asked, but I'll just ask that again.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Yeah. I only know that I saw a crazy advanced technology.
I didn't see who drove it. I didn't have any
I lean more towards off world technology due to the
how far advanced it needed to be to do the
things that it did. But I guess anything's possible until

(01:43:24):
until until you know, tick tech stops and somebody hangs
out the window and waves if it has a window,
I don't think any of us are going to know.
But if if it's true that Lockheed has this tech,
they need to they need to go ahead and launch one.
Let's let's check it out. I've seen it before, so
I'll be able to tell you whether it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Are you surprised that there haven't been more incidents like
this or maybe there have been, but they just haven't
been publicly reported on.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Well, they really have been. And it's not just the
TIC tech. I mean look at Graves and you know
twenty fifteen. I mean that's pretty recent, and there's even
more recent stuff and it is being more reported now.
That's the one thing that I am absolutely thankful that
the names encounter did start that ball so that those

(01:44:21):
the recording and the reporting are completely different process. Now,
you know, a UAP is considered a serious issue. Now,
it's a it's a flight safety, it's a you know,
I mean, I know people are like, you know, why
do you military guys always you know, harp towards all
this negative stuff, And I go, well, because there's nothing

(01:44:42):
positive about a you know, something that literally we can't control,
that can invade our airspace at any time. And you know, sorry,
but it's it's hard for me to believe that the
universe isn't a dog eat dog world. It's not gonna
not gonna change much.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
It's just bigger no, very true, very true. All right,
let's move on to another question here, let's go to
necessary dialogue. Who was asking, what is your speculation why
UFOs are being kept so secret?

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
I could think of two things off the top of
my head. The first thing is is if you don't
have enough information about something, but you have some like
if I had a like, there's always a situation where
you're not going to want to tell somebody something. And
if you could have the you know, the most beautiful
relationship with somebody, but there's a situation that could always

(01:45:41):
arise or you wouldn't want to tell them. So say,
there's a situation that we don't own this planet, but
the only thing that keeps us safe is the fact
that we don't know that. Basically, whatever keeps us happy
slaves to our situation keeps us safe. But then as
soon as that Pandora's box is open, Well, we're going

(01:46:03):
to have a whole different lifestyle. That could be a
good reason to keep it a secret. The other reason
is is it they could have died a long time
ago and while we're all we're all we're doing is
picking their bones, and now they're just it's all about control.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
What do you think about this narrative control that we
see going on, whether it's happening in the media, whether
it's happening with the messages that are coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
Or well it's rolling around in his grave.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
You're not happy?

Speaker 3 (01:46:43):
No, no, I'm not not a big fan.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
Do you think that these are threats? Do you think
the threat narrative was pushed too far?

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
I'm not going to run around saying this guy's falling.
All I know is that whenever any two civilizations meet
for the first time, whichever one is the more advanced,
it usually doesn't go well for the one that's less advanced.
Just look at all of our history we do. We've
done the same thing to our own people throughout over

(01:47:18):
and over again, no matter how advanced. And you know
how how much we want a toy that we live
in a you know, modern society, we still do it.
We still do it today. So how's that going to
change if we have another advanced civilization that's introduced to us.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
What are you your thoughts then? On In the last
week and a half, we've had Vice President uh jd
Vance and now d and I Tulca Gabbard both coming
out talking about UFOs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
I don't give it much credence unless unless it ends
up put some legs, because I mean, honestly, every single
thing that's come out of Washington has been a lot
of hot air so far. I mean it's basically a
rinse and repeat of here's a little dog bone, here's
a little treat, here's a little something you didn't know,
and now we're gonna go ahead and put all this

(01:48:21):
other stuff back in the bag. Don't look this way.
I think it's a wizard of a Baz moment. Don't look,
don't look behind the curtain.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
So with that being said, do you think then that
we need any more hearings? Do you think we're at
a point where the hearings are becoming monotonous?

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
I think that they've made them ridiculous. They should have
kept with the scientific fact first. They should have kept
with what can be proven. First, they should have kept
with what they have, at least the evidence to show
that there's something going on that needs to be researched.

(01:49:07):
If they you know, if they're sitting in the same boat,
but they just have a pile of data, they need
to they need that, And I know, the reality is
is that there's fifteen different organizations that all have a
pile of data that's all all related, but never ever
going to see the light of day, you know, and

(01:49:28):
they're never going to work together. The one thing that
you can you can take from los book is how
he highlighted how government agencies work unwell with each other,
that even their inner office relationships did not work well
together with not with sharing information.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
So to me though, it seems like a big obvious
scation of evidence obviously, but one that they want swept
right back under the rug because if we don't ask
about it, it doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
Yeah, I would say, keep pushing, keep doing the hearings,
maybe we'll get some something actually happened in the future.
I mean, look at the hearings that we had, you know,
in the past. I mean they're now referenced based off

(01:50:26):
of these new hearings, you know, and it could be
the difference in the future of finding out some type
of truth.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Do you think the politicians involved with this truly want
some sort of disclosure or do you and do you
think that or let me say, or do you think
that they're just doing this for the publicity and the
popularity of the UFO topic.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
Yeah, I don't think any politician cares about anything other
than getting reelected. They're in you know what I mean,
you might have, you know, whoever's I would say after
the first like three years in politics that every single
politician is just out to keep their seat or whatever
they're whatever they are, a congressman or you know, a representative,

(01:51:16):
you know, whatever they are. All they're doing. All they
were worried about is is keeping their constituents happy and
keeping that seat. They don't really as long as everything
stays good, stay's status quo and we all keep our
little bubbles. That's all there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
After, see if we can sneak in one more question here,
let's go to let's see your jewels here? Could the
tic TACs to be seen from the decks? And what?
And you already answered the question, was there any fear
amongst the ranks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
I didn't hear of anybody that's scared, but you know,
I mean everybody reacts differently. I had zero fear of
the entire time, and I don't think it's like brave thing.
I think it's just just too stupid to be scared
of it. And yes, you just see it in the
distance as a light at night.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
I will end it with this, as we got about
two minutes to go, Gary, do you still believe in disclosure?

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
I believe eventually it'll be forced.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Like a catastrophic disclosure.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
Yes, a matter of fact. Matthew Shoudaugas actually just he
wrote a piece about that about catasrophic catastrophic disclosure and
how as our technology becomes exponentially more advanced commercially, that
they're going to have no choice but to disclose because
we will be able to capture the evidence ourselves, which

(01:52:52):
is the whole point to u APX.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
In our lifetime.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
I think so, I mean, because it's it's exponential, maybe
our lifetimes, but maybe some of our younger audience.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
So do you believe then this is more like I've
been saying to people for the last couple of years,
we're more in a confirmation movement than a disclosure movement.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Yeah, well, I think the confirmation that there are UAPs
is already here, So I mean technically disclosures happen now.
The disclosure that everybody wants is all the information from
roswell On, And honestly, I would not wait up for
that one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
What do you think they're hiding? What's the secret in
Gary's mind that they don't want to give up? I
need a forty second answer.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
We're not in control? Is that short? Short enough?

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Well, I would have hoped for about another ten seconds,
but I'll accept that, my friend. It is always a pleasure, Yeah,
it is always a pleasure to have you on spaced
out radio. You know, you've got an open door.

Speaker 3 (01:53:59):
Here and I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:02):
And anytime you want to come in, tell everybody where
they could find u ap X.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
You can go online and search us at u ap X.
It's a it's you a wow. You got me so tired.
It's so late for me, guys, but you can search
you APX online. It'll be under I can't think of
it much.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
Just google u ap X. It'll be right there.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
It's two in the morning for me and I've been
up since five.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
So no worries, Gary worries everybody. Swamp Dweller is next.

Speaker 6 (01:54:36):
You're listening just spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
Gary. Thank you, buddy, no problem, man, I appreciate you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Sorry if some of my opinions are a little, uh
a little against the grain there, but.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
I think they're great. I do. I think they're great.
Go get some sleep, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
Yeah, I'm tired, all right, buddy, take care. Uh yeah,
if you get if you give them my Lenk tree,
they can find everything there.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
Yeah, it's already posted. It's already posted in our chat room.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Yeah, all right, bro, take it easy, brother, good night,
good night Gary.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Boys, and that incredible beard on spaced Out Radio. I'll
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Speaker 10 (02:02:31):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
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Welcome to the spaced out radio swamp.

Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
You know what, I played an empty track. I played
an empty track, all loaded up and there was like
no audio there. You can do it well. Thank you
swampedweller for that imaginary story right there. It was invisible
to our ears. It was absolutely great. If you want

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go to his YouTube channel, hit subscriberring that bell. Thousands
of stories just like that one, but a little bit
more audio for you to choose from. Let's go to
the UFO report that is an into planets terry flying
space sauce up, little Timmy James is here with the

(02:03:51):
extra long UFON report. Here and Tim, how you doing?
My man?

Speaker 9 (02:03:55):
Good man, I'm not gonna be able to sleep after
that one.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
Oh me either, me either? Holy that one was scary,
totally scary. But what do you do? What do you do? Exactly?

Speaker 9 (02:04:10):
That's what you call live radio.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 9 (02:04:14):
What's news, sir?

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Oh? Not too much, you know. I'll be honest. It's
that time of the week where I start to get
really excited about our adventures into flight twenty one.

Speaker 9 (02:04:27):
Yes, Yes, I'm looking forward to it, and I am
so relieved about getting all that audio recovered.

Speaker 3 (02:04:35):
I was like, oh, no, it happens.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
You got it though, You got it.

Speaker 9 (02:04:41):
Oh I did. I did even brought. I mean, I
was thinking about bringing my laptop to work today and
letting it work on it. And yeah, so it worked out.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
Well. Well, it's pretty amazing, pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:04:59):
My friend.

Speaker 9 (02:05:00):
Yes, you know, you're doing so much.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
Work for us here on Spaced Out Radio, getting everything
ready for our adventures and editing them. And you know,
the only thing I really do is drive. I kind
of feel bad about that.

Speaker 9 (02:05:15):
No, I wouldn't. And and you host it, and yeah,
you're you're the leader of the pack on this, buddy,
And it's going good. Dave always says, Timmy, you need
to get in front of the camera more, and I'm like,
I'm pretty good back over here. But yeah, it's it's good.
And I enjoy every every moment of it, and I'm
glad that everybody else is enjoying it too, And yeah,

(02:05:37):
it's it's more than I expected. That's that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
You know. It's you know what's pretty awesome is we've
been having a lot of people asking is Lollly Bennett
coming back? Are we going to bring Lollly Bennett back?
And the answer to that is yes, yes we are.

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
Yeah, she.

Speaker 9 (02:05:57):
Just it's it's weird, but she just seeseamlessly fit in
and it was like, I don't know, I don't know
how to explain it. It was just like another piece
of that puzzle and she fits perfect. So yeah, I'm
really looking forward to going out there and hopefully.

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
She'll be there this weekend again. Oh no kidding, no kidding,
my man. What do you got for us tonight?

Speaker 9 (02:06:21):
Well, we got a little bit of Tulsi Gabert news here.
So just earlier this week, Tulci Gabbert, the US Director
of National Intelligence, joined Miranda Divine on The New York
Post's pod Force one podcast to address the topic of
extraterrestrial life and UAPs and UFOs. Gabbert expressed a clear stance, stating,

(02:06:47):
I believe aliens could be real and we need to
seriously consider the possibility. She focused on a wave of
drone sightings over New Jersey in late twenty twenty four,
which had drawn public attention and official scrutiny. Gabbard questioned
the Biden administration's explanation that the incidents were an overreaction

(02:07:08):
to mundane objects, saying the public was told it was
nothing significant, but I'm not buying it. There are too
many unanswered questions. She emphasized her role in seeking clarity,
noting as DNI, I'm committed to digging into what's really
going on, even if it's uncomfortable. While withholding classified details,
Gabbard hinted at at broader implications, stating, what we've seen

(02:07:33):
in this guy's raises questions that deserve straight answers, not dismissals.
Her comment reflected a push for transparency on UFO related issues,
aligning with her ongoing efforts to challenge official narratives within
the intelligence community. I have one question, where's she been
all this time? All of a sudden her jd Vance

(02:07:57):
bam bam. It's like, I'm just just my brain.

Speaker 1 (02:08:04):
I found it very interesting as well, because I mean
to follow up on that with you know what jd Vance,
the Vice President of the United States, said last week
that he's going to be doing a deep dive this August. Well,
you know, everything's on recess in Washington, DC, Like Gary

(02:08:25):
just stated a few minutes ago in the last half hour.
You know, a lot of these politicians, they're about themselves,
they're about the rhetoric, they're about saying what they feel
the public wants them to say, and then they end
up doing nothing about it, you know, whether or not
that's just ego or whether or not you know, the
NDAs or the Secret Service comes up to him and says, yeah,

(02:08:47):
we're not going to be talking about those topics very much.
So I find that incredibly interesting regarding that. And so
in regards to Tells Gabbard, were you shocked by her
comments because she seemed to talk very openly and in
fact to move it a little bit further. She also

(02:09:08):
said she had to be very careful with what she
said because her personal beliefs on this subject, you know,
could accidentally cross over to what her security clearance and
her NDAs say about the subject as well.

Speaker 9 (02:09:25):
Yeah, I was totally surprised because, you know, like I
just said, where where did this all come from? Like,
I don't know, I didn't see her jumping on board
when Annapoline a Luna or any of that sort of
you know, any of the other people that got involved
from Jump Street. It's I'm I'm skeptical but surprised. I'm

(02:09:46):
not sure where this comes from, or is you know,
not trying to be negative, going to be positive on this?
Could this be the move forward with the what they
call the UAP disclosure? Is this gonna? Is this leading
up to something? I don't know? Is this the next

(02:10:08):
chapter in this in the uh Annapolina Luna teams. I
guess information releases. I'm not sure, but I was quite
surprised with it and with the minimal amount of information
that I got. I'm still sitting on this one a bit,
and I'd like to see if she comes up with

(02:10:29):
anything more or if this was just a one off
who knows, who knows? But yes, definitely surprised.

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
I hope the next interview she does that somebody takes
attention to what she was stating and and you can
actually get somebody to follow up on those questions because
I do believe they are important.

Speaker 9 (02:10:52):
I agree. I agree, And if it's if she's straight shooting,
that's great because again, like we always say, that ball,
you know, moving that ball forward, that would be optimal.
I guess there is the word I'm looking for, but
time will tell. Like a lot of the stuff that
we research and you know, go down the rabbit hole
too with sometimes it takes time before we get the

(02:11:15):
real answers.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Very true, Very true. We got thirteen minutes left. I
know you had a piece that you've got written up.

Speaker 9 (02:11:24):
Yeah, I do, and it was and okay, so I'm
not jumping on Dave's coattails on this one, but it
it's one of those things that you know, I've heard
said so many times and I put some thought, in
a little bit of thought into it. So Dave's brought
up and I think we've all brought up the new

(02:11:44):
podcasters and go to guys in the UAP world, you know.
And I'm just I'm not one hundred percent sure. So,
like I said, I wrote a little bit of a
piece on it here, and yeah, so I'm just wondering,
if you you UFO podcasters and fake experts, are they
muddying the waters for clicks? I think so.

Speaker 2 (02:12:06):
So.

Speaker 9 (02:12:07):
The surge of interest in UFOs has unleashed a flood
of new podcasts and self styled journalists in quotes collaborating
to cash in on the mystery. These opportunistic voices, armed
with microphones and minimal knowledge, are flooding the airwaves with
half baked theories and recycled narratives, dragging a serious topic

(02:12:30):
into the realm of sensationalism. Their ignorance of UFO history
and their clique driven motives are not just annoying, they're
actively harming the pursuit of truth, misleading audiences, and undermining
decades of credible research. So consider the nineteen sixty seven
Malmsterm air force based incident where UFOs allegedly disabled nuclear missiles,

(02:12:55):
or the nineteen eighty rendelscham Forrest case, Britain's most compelling
UFO encounter. These events, backed by military witnesses and declassified documents,
demand rigorous analysis, Yet the new wave of podcasters and
YouTube experts rarely mention them, let alone understand their significance. Instead,

(02:13:19):
they churn out content littered with tired alien stereotypes or
wild conspiracies about government lizard people. Obviously or oblivious sorry
to the nuanced history of UFO research. They skip over
foundational work like Project Bluebook, which documented thousands of sightings

(02:13:39):
from nineteen forty seven to nineteen sixty nine, or the
nineteen seventy six Teyhran sightings where Iranian pilots encountered aluminous
objects that jammed their electronics. This isn't just laziness. It's
a betrayal of a field that deserves better. The damage
is real. The newcomer, with their superficial takes lead curious

(02:14:03):
listeners down rabbit holes of misinformation. They frame UFOs as entertainment,
not a phenomenon that challenges physics or greatly expands our universes.
We know it by ignoring the historical record, like the
nineteen fifty two Washington, DC flyovers that prompted Air Force scrambles,

(02:14:23):
They reduce a complex topic to sci fi soundbites. This
misleads audiences, and especially younger ones, who might dismiss UFOs
as a joke or worse, swallow unverified claims whole. The
result a public that's either critical or gullible, neither of

(02:14:44):
which serves the quest for answers. What drives this flood
of fake expertise, clicks and cash. Podcasts like these thrive
on sensationalism, weaving UFOs into a grab bag conspiracies to
hook listeners and boost ad revenue. Self proclaimed journalists again

(02:15:06):
journalists often lacking any background in science or investigative reporting
jump on the UFO bandwagon because it's trendy, not because
they've studied the nineteen ninety seven Phoenix lights or the
two thousand and six O'Hare airport sightings, nothing like that.
Their goal isn't truth, it's downloads, subscribers and Patreon dollars.

(02:15:30):
This mercenary approach cheapens a topic that has gripped serious minds,
from astronomers like Jay Allen Hinnick to whistleblowers like Robert Sallis.
In turn, it turns a profound mystery into a circus
where the loudest voice wins, not the most informed. The
cultural fallout is serious. The credible research, like those behind

(02:15:54):
the twenty twenty one Pentagon UAP Task Force Report are
drowned out by podcasts those speculating about interdimensional Bigfoot. The
public loses trust in the topics, legitimacy, serious inquiry get sidelined,
and policymakers hesitate the fun research when the disclosure is
hijacked by profiteers to The twenty twenty three Congressional UAP

(02:16:19):
hearings featuring testimony for military insiders should have been a
turning point. Instead, they're buried under a deluge of low
effort content from hosts who can't distinguish a garden rake
from a spacecraft like the way I did that. This
isn't a call, This isn't a called a gatekeep curiosity.

(02:16:42):
New voices are welcome, but they must do the work.
Read the to classified files, study the physics defying maneuvers
reported in the two thousand and four USS Princeton Encounter.
Engage with the decades of data, not just the latest
viral video. Until then, these podcasts and quote journalists are

(02:17:03):
just noise, profiting off of mystery or a mystery. They
don't respect they They're not advancing the conversation, they're selling
it out, leaving truth seekers lost in a fog on
their own making and in ending this Dave Scott and
Spaced Out Radio thank you for your unwavering commitment to

(02:17:24):
exploring the UFO phenomenon with integrity, intelligence, and genuine passion
for discovery. Your dedication to truthful storytelling and thoughtful discussion,
unswayed by the lure of cliques and commercial gain, has
earned the trust and respect of your audience. Here's to
continuing the pursuit of knowledge and understanding free from sensationalism

(02:17:47):
and driven by sincere quests for truth.

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
Thanks Buddy, Well hold on, make me put a hat
on just so I can, you know, give you the
old hat tip right there. I appreciate that I knew
no worries. I don't begrudge anybody for picking up a
microphone and getting into this subject if it's something that
they love. I really don't. But the problem that we

(02:18:13):
have is the people who continuously push themselves as experts
in the field. I can tell you right now, I've
been doing this show for ten years. I am certainly
no expert on this topic. I'm not an expert on Randelsham,

(02:18:33):
I'm not an expert on Roswell. I'm not an expert
on Kexperg or shag Harbor or anything like that. My
job is to make sure that we bring those stories
to light on this show for our audience. That's what
we do. That being said, you're right, it is a
lot of this about clickbait. It's a lot about trying

(02:18:58):
to you know, encourage subscribers or rage bait people, or
do whatever you can to try and you know, get
that down the road, get that story and that show
down the road. And I believe it goes a little
bit deeper than that because ninety five percent of the

(02:19:21):
shows like ours out there, Okay, they are struggling with
minimal subscribership, minimal viewers, okay, but they know how the
social media game works. They understand This younger generation understands YouTube,

(02:19:42):
they understand TikTok, they understand the importance of shorts and everything,
and that is what is driving their subscribership. It may
not be about knowledge or anything. And we also have
to realize there's two different ufologies. There's a ufology that
has been around since this subject became a matter of

(02:20:06):
interest for many people. And then there's you apology, which
really started the new wave, as we talked about earlier
with Gary voories about the two thousand and four Nimens
incident and what has happened since then. And that newer
generation doesn't matter if you're in your twenties or in

(02:20:27):
your seventies and you just started following it because of
the niemts, that new wave of eufology. They haven't taken
to the older stories like you said, Rendelsham or or
whatever those stories may be, the White House incident, because

(02:20:49):
they haven't been told about it okay. When New You
Apology came out, it was all about the Nimtz incident
going forward, like UFOs just started in two thousand and four.
This is simply not true, right, But that is their roswell.

(02:21:11):
It's not your roswellt it's not my roswell. It's not
euphologies roswell, it's you apologies roswell. And I would argue
the difference in anything about that because there are two
different aspects to uphology. There are the people who call

(02:21:32):
it UFOs and then there are the people who call
it UAPs. And that's why we have t shirts on
our website that say know the difference absolutely, you know
as But the problem that we have is with any
social media, whether it's UFOs, whether it's Bigfoot, whether it's

(02:21:56):
sports or politics or anything you want to put your
name on. There's a million and one podcast for every topic.
The audience will eventually go to a bunch of different shows,
but the one they can relate to, that's where they stay.
It doesn't matter whether the person has a million subscribers

(02:22:19):
or one hundred and twelve subscribers, that's where they go
because that's where they feel that their opinion most aligns
to they're not interested in hearing aroundabout subject. Like many
shows of the older variety, and We're one of the
older varieties has out there, they're not interested in it.

(02:22:41):
They want to align with what they believe, and you
can't blame them. You can't blame them. If that's where
a person feels comfortable, good on you listen to it.
There are people who listen to us across the North
America who and the world who think that, you know,
we're the best, But there are others out there who say, no,

(02:23:02):
that's not the best. Based out radio is not the best.
It's Coast to Coast am or it's Jimmy Church, or
it's that UFO podcast, or it's podcast UFO or UAP Studies,
whatever it may be. And that's good. There's some good
shows out there, man, and I just yeah, and I
just named a few, Okay, but there are dozens more

(02:23:25):
out there that are incredibly amazing. But the oversaturation gets it.
And the other thing about it too is a lot
of these channels they have become just a drinking game
among buddies where they sit around, they have a few beers,
they talk UFOs, UAPs, what have you. And they don't

(02:23:46):
care if they have eight viewers or if they have
one hundred and sixty eight. And that's okay, Sure, that's okay.
Everybody's allowed to have fun here, you know. But like
you said, keep it fun, don't try and be an expert.
You know. I watched one person in this field, and
I got to be quick here because we're about to
run out of time. This person got a television show

(02:24:07):
six months into ufology claimed that she was a UFO
expert ah, and then in another show claimed that she's
a journalist. Never worked a day in journalism in her life,
but that's our field, unfortunately, know the good from the bad.
Thank you, little Timmy James. I got a real important

(02:24:29):
topic coming up on the Day of one oh one next.

Speaker 3 (02:24:33):
Is based out radio and your hotes nas.

Speaker 1 (02:24:55):
All right, we're clear you might want to pay attention,
tim to the day one on one tonight.

Speaker 9 (02:25:02):
I most certainly will.

Speaker 1 (02:25:03):
Yeah. I'm going to open up a can of worms.

Speaker 7 (02:25:08):
Excellent.

Speaker 9 (02:25:08):
Yeah, I can hardly wait. Sah. That's why I love
the day one on one. Open up them worms, buddy.

Speaker 1 (02:25:18):
Yeah, this is I'll tell you right now, this is
one I don't want to do. Oh, but I'm going
to okay, all right, right Lexis you know me. I
don't mention names because that starts drama.

Speaker 9 (02:25:34):
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It was like when I was right there,
I was like, oh, this podcast. I was like, no,
I'm not going to name anybody. What he's doing?

Speaker 1 (02:25:44):
Man?

Speaker 9 (02:25:46):
Oh alrighty, well, then I'm going to take off and
go sit over there and watch you do the day
of one on one my friend?

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
All right, just like the Pope would say, mm hmm yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:26:03):
Right, all right, everybody, good night, and we'll see in
the chat room later later. Holy how many times I
gotta hit this button.

Speaker 1 (02:26:18):
I was just about to say, get out of here.
H I don't like mentioning names because one second here,

(02:26:45):
because it stirs drama. Unfortunately. Although I am going to

(02:27:16):
start a little bit here with the day of one
oh one, what an oxymoron right there? I don't do it,
but I'm gonna do it. Yeah. The podcast audience is

(02:27:38):
still listening, PARAMIV so is YouTube, because remember you're watching
on YouTube. I'll rock the boat next. Josephus, how are you? Stu?

(02:28:45):
Eff and Gerson? What's happened to my friend? You know?
People named Stewart usually badasses, pr M how you doing.
I am feeling much better today, Thank you. It will

(02:29:08):
not be about my depression, but it will be about
something in the UFO world. Thank you tonight to t

(02:29:45):
Bone Times too, mel WD forty and Kitty Caddy Whack
for the amazing super chats tonight. Greatly appreciate the love
and support you guys give us. Remember you can join
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(02:30:07):
check it on out and we're going to come back
here in about ten seconds. We've rounded third We're heading

(02:30:40):
for home tonight on spaced Out Radio. Good to have
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(02:31:24):
of the week where I yell at each and every
one of you to get off my lawn. It's a
Dave one on one.

Speaker 5 (02:31:36):
Miss, I can see you. I want to sit down
and take a stress.

Speaker 1 (02:32:09):
Wait a minute, all right, this is a Dave one
on one that I really do not want to do,
and there's a reason for it. And by the end
of this you will understand why I'm very uncomfortable talking
about this Dave one oh one tonight. You see, it's

(02:32:31):
personal because I have a good friend in this field
who I love and adore, and sometimes you have to
stand up for people who are getting absolutely railroaded within
our great community. And I'm going to get to that
in a minute. But the uncomfortability that I even have

(02:32:54):
to do this will probably open up a can of
worms within the UFO world world, and I am prepared
for that because what is happening here is absolutely unconscionable. Now,
I talk to this person and I'm going to keep
their name out of it for now because it is

(02:33:16):
their story to tell, not mine. So why am I
saying it then? Because it's been bothering me since I
had a conversation with this person two days ago and
they let me know that their days in ufology are
probably done finished and maybe hopefully it's only temporary, but

(02:33:40):
I'm not so sure right now. You see, I try
to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. I try
to be Canada or Switzerland, where everyone is welcome, everyone
is allowed an opinion, and person A may not get
along with person B. But I'm not getting in the
middle of that fight because it has nothing to do

(02:34:03):
with me. And in my job as a media player,
as a journalist and as an outlet, I need to
remain neutral on every topic we talk about. And look,
I have had guests here that I have disagreed with vehemently,
but you'll never know because it's not my job to

(02:34:26):
throw my opinion at someone else. It's your job as
a listener in order to be in order to oh,
my tongue just got tied there. It's your job as
a listener to decide whether or not that is where
you want to align with or misalign with. So let's

(02:34:50):
get back to the person in question. Once again, I've
decided to leave their name out until they decide to
go public with it. This person has just deleted their
x account because of harassment, and it's the type of
harassment that I never thought I would see in our community.

(02:35:14):
There are extremely good people in our field who would
not hurt a fly, but there's a fringe minority out
there that seems to forget that outside of ufology, we
have lives. We have families, we have jobs, we have mortgages,

(02:35:37):
we have bill payments, we have everything that goes along
with having to live life. UFOs is a topic of passion.
It could fire people up, whether you're on the experience
er side, you're on the scientific side, or you're on
the government intelligence community side, or maybe you're just an enthusiast.

(02:36:01):
It has many different avenues, and a lot of times
those avenues by the fringe minority who loves to stir
things up, sometimes crosses the line and gets personal. This person,
who I have known for about six seven years, who
I trust and love dearly, is likely now going to

(02:36:24):
have to leave this field because of certain people whom
we don't know yet who they are, who have made
it part of their priority to try and ruin this
person's life. This person, and this is hard for me

(02:36:46):
to say, has had child protective services called on them twice,
even though they are the perfect parent to their children.
This person has had strange people in odd vehicles showing
up at their door in the night, in the evening,

(02:37:11):
and during the day. This person has been suspended from
their job twice, all because of UFOs. Think about that
for a second. For having an opinion and researching UFOs.

(02:37:32):
This person has had their personal life ruined by someone
a fanatic, a nutbar, whatever you want to call them,
who has nothing better to do than to take a
disagreement or two and push it and align it into

(02:37:55):
my friend's personal life. Now, I love this person dearly,
I really do. And listening to this person get extremely
emotional to the point of tears on the phone a
couple of days ago, absolutely wretched my heart. And the

(02:38:21):
unfortunate part of the Internet world is sometimes a person
needs a hug, a long hug, and a rub on
the back just to be able to whisper in their ear.
Everything is going to be okay, and I stand with you,

(02:38:42):
But in the internet world, you cannot do that. You
can't do that because of the distance of communication. How
easy it is today. I'm uncomfortable even talking about this.
I normally don't get into this, but this is UFO's

(02:39:04):
people were never going to see disclosure. Doesn't matter if
jd Vance is talking about it, Tulsea Gabbard, Lou Elizondo,
Chris Melon, Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, George Nori, whoever you
want to talk about on this subject, We're never going
to see disclosure. It doesn't matter whether you love or

(02:39:26):
hate Elizondo. It doesn't matter whether you love or hate Trump,
or love or hate Obama, or love or hate jd.
Vance or Tulsey Gabbard or Nancy Mace, Tim Burshett Anapoulina Luna,
the names that keep cropping up in this story. It
doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether or not you like

(02:39:46):
Jesse Michaels, Chris Ramsey, Dave Scott, Jimmy Church, Dave Schrader, whoever.
It doesn't matter. There is a line that has been
crossed when it gets personal. When you put your name
on social media to this topic and you are a
player or a pseudo player, that makes you pseudo famous

(02:40:07):
in this field. You're taking a chance with people playing
with your life. Now, I'm not saying an unaliving type
of situation, but what I'm saying is a doxing or
making things in trouble. Now. I know with this person,

(02:40:28):
there has been complaints filed to different law enforcement agencies.
They don't know who is causing it. They don't know
if it's one person or multiple people. They don't know
if it's government of initiated, which I doubt. This person,
who absolutely tried to trust everybody now doesn't even trust

(02:40:53):
her closest companions. This person, who I absolutely adore, is
scared to answer their phone. They're scared to check their computer,
they're scared to check their email, they're scared to go

(02:41:13):
to work to pay their bills. All over UFOs. There
are people in this field that I don't like or
I don't respect, and I think that goes with everybody
I know. There are people out there that don't like me.
They don't like this program, and that's okay. They don't

(02:41:35):
have to listen. Okay, everybody's going to have a critic.
Doesn't matter what portion of life you are in, whether
you're a lawyer, whether you're a radio host, an athlete,
gas station attendant, server, bartender. It doesn't matter. You're going

(02:41:56):
to have people who love you and people who don't.
But when you're in the public eye, like many of
us who put ourselves in the public eye, especially with
broadcasting a show like this or maybe doing interviews about
your research, that moves up tenfold. And it makes no

(02:42:19):
wonder why many of these people in the UFO world
or cryptid world, the scientists, the government officials are extremely
picky with whom they will associate with and whom they
will allow to interview because they don't have time to
go through each and every host of the thirty forty

(02:42:41):
thousand YouTube channels regarding this subject in all different languages
to actually maintain a knowledge of who's good, who's going
to treat them right, and who is downright nasty. My
friend doesn't deserve what they are going through. My friend,

(02:43:03):
who I love and adore, doesn't deserve the hate or
anything like that. My friend may be a little bit
controversial to people, and like any other researcher, my friend
has burnt bridges, but never ever should it cross to

(02:43:24):
the point of going after someone's family, going after someone's career.
Outside of this going after someone's bank records, cell phone records,
trying to absolutely ruin everything in their life. How this

(02:43:44):
sicko is doing this or multiple sichos, I don't know.
This person doesn't know if her phone is tapped, her
computer is tapped. This person doesn't know. What this person
does know is that they are scared right now. They're
scared of their own shadow, all because of UFOs. It

(02:44:10):
sounds absolutely ridiculous, but this crap needs to stop. This
crap needs to end right now because it's not worth it.
And now we have the potential in our field of
losing an incredible researcher and an incredible voice for our community,

(02:44:36):
all because one psychopath or more has decided to make
it their mantra to ruin this person's life, and likely
a person they've never met. You know, I've seen people
act tough on the internet before, and when you get

(02:44:57):
face to face with them, you realize they are a
completely different person. There are people in this field that
I really didn't want to meet, but when I finally
met them at a conference, I went, Wow, that person
is actually a really nice person. I really really need

(02:45:20):
to know them more. I need to be better. We
all need to be better. We all need to be
able to take our talents and use them for the
good of bettering this field and not bringing people down.
It's disgusting once again that I have to even talk

(02:45:41):
about this. And if this person decides to come forward
with everything that has happened, I hope they do it
on this show because it's a story that needs to
be told. But there's a lot of anger, a lot
of fear, and a lot of sadness that has to
be healed before this person can come on the air.

(02:46:05):
That is your day of one oh one.

Speaker 3 (02:46:11):
As God is my witness. I thought turkeys could fly.

Speaker 9 (02:46:15):
Here is the latest bulletin from the under Continental Radio News.

Speaker 2 (02:46:21):
I am good at things, fighting and reading the news.

Speaker 6 (02:46:24):
It's mine once again for spaced out radios weird news
of the week.

Speaker 1 (02:46:34):
All right, let's start off with the United States Air Force,
because guess what they want to do. They want to
spend about I don't know, couple hundred grand on buying
a pair of cyber trucks, why so they could use
them for live missile firing testing. Yeah, yeah, the Air

(02:46:59):
Force wants to blow up a couple cyber trucks looking
to buy two of them to use for munitions testing,
as they will likely soon start appearing on the battlefield.
Per documents posted on a US government contracting website, the
pickups are part of a larger order of thirty three
vehicles for live missile firing testing at the White Sands
Missile Range in New Mexico. The contract stipulates that the

(02:47:22):
cyber trucks need only be towable, not functional, and their
batteries must be removed. The procurement documents were first reported
by the defense blog The Warzone in a separate document
justifying why the Tesla vehicles were specifically required, Well, let's
just get into it why. The contracting officer said the

(02:47:46):
US adversaries were likely to begin using the stainless steel
clad trucks on the battlefield due to their durability in
the operating theater. It is likely the type of vehicles
used by the enemy may transition to Tesla cyber trucks,
as they have been found not to receive the normal
extent of damage expected upon major impact. The Air Force

(02:48:09):
in Tesla did not immediately respond to the request from
comment from Business Insider, but Tesla's CEO Elon Musk said
The pickup was built to be apocalypse proof when it
launched in twenty twenty three. Last year, Chechen warlord Ramzan
Kadyrov showed off a modified cyber truck decked out with

(02:48:31):
a machine gun that he said would be sent to
the front lines in Ukraine. Kadriyov later accused Tesla of
remotely disabling the would be war machine, calling Musk not manly.
Experts previously told Business Insider the cyber truck would be
useless on the battlefield. The electric pickup also has faced

(02:48:51):
eight recalls since its launch, for issues including parts falling
off and the accelerator pedal getting stuck. Musk predicted Testla
would eventually sell over a quarter million a year in
twenty twenty three, but the automaker has sold only ten thousand,
seven hundred so far this year, per auto industry consultancy
Cox Automotive. Yeah, about three million. You think they're about

(02:49:16):
one hundred grand apiece. So it's three point three million
that the United States Air Force wants to spend on
Tesla cyber trucks to blow them up. What do you
think good investment or a waste of money? Hmm? Leave
that to you, all right? Sticking with politics here. Two

(02:49:38):
MPs in Tonga's parliament, including Police Minister Paulina Pivenni Piucala,
have been suspended after they got into a brawl during
a parliamentary debate. Yeah, the Legislative Assembly of Tonga descended
into absolute chaos, even people swinging chairs at each other.

(02:49:59):
M like a battle royal in the WWE all over politics. Yep,
that's what happens, so I News understands. The fight started
when the Police Minister took exception to Lord Tui Kuleepa
telling him to stop shouting when addressing the house, and

(02:50:22):
so he walked over to his seat where punches were
now thrown. Other members tried to hold the struggling pair
apart from each other. Video of the pair absolutely going
fisticuffs like a good hockey scrap at center ice began
circulating on social media. Speaker of the House, Lord Faka Fuana. Yeah,

(02:50:45):
Lord Faka Fuuana, ruled that the actions of the pair
amounted to disorderly conduct and he suspended them for five days.
Both members are excluded from parliamentary proceedings and they can't
collect their salary for the those days. In a statement
from parliament Chief Clerk said the Lord Speaker's decision reflects

(02:51:06):
the Assembly's commitment to a safe and secure workplace along
with upholding the integrity of the legislature. The MPs will
be able to resume their duties on Monday. It's not
the first time the pair have been in conflict with
each other. Last year, they were suspended from Parliament after
a shouting match that allegedly saw threats of violence. Oh

(02:51:29):
these cojures, man, Oh you know what, both of them
just need to grow some hair, Sit back, relax, listen
to some Bob Marley, maybe watch some rastling. Maybe they've
been watching too much rastling. I don't know what it is,
but some about politicians brawling. I just think it's funny.

Speaker 2 (02:51:49):
I do.

Speaker 1 (02:51:50):
Maybe I'm a little bit sick of the head that way,
but that's okay, that's okay. Big thank you tonight to
Gary Vorie's talking about the tic TAC incident, Little Timmy
James for the UFO Report, and mister Ron Bumblefoot Thaal

(02:52:11):
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and every day and night. Bumblefoot is the official music
of spaced Out Radio, rocking us in and out of
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(02:52:31):
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(02:52:53):
for choosing to share your evening with us, because together,
my friends, what we own the night. Mister Bumblefoot. We
need a favor. We need you to take us home. Yes,

(02:53:16):
the WU train has docked for the night, but soon,
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