Dec. 10/25 - Science Bob and Friends - Spaced Out Radio

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We got a great show coming at you tonight, our
monthly edition with Science Bob. Doctor Bob Maguire is here

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for all of the absolute great, wonderful year in review
when it comes to ufology. We're gonna have a great
show with Science Bob tonight. Then in our number three
swamp Dweller will join us. But Science Bob is going
to go the distance. Katie Page is feeling ill and
under the weather tonight, so Science Bob says, let's just
keep the ball rolling. Man, We're gonna have some fun.

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So we go. We're going with Science Bob right to
the end. So if you don't know who Science Bob is, well,
Doctor Bob Maguire, widely known in the UFO world thanks
to me as Science Bob, is a renowned scientist, engineer,
and researcher whose career bridges advanced signal processing, classified government projects,
and cutting edge studies into the unexplained. With decades of

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experience and innovation. Through academia, Bob has become a respected
voice of the UFO, UAP and paranormal communities. His ability
to translate complex scientific concepts into clear, compelling discussion has
made him a sought after guest on shows like this.
Science Bob combines rigorous methodology with an open minded curiosity,

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creating a rare blend of expertise that resonates with audiences
seeking credible insight into the high strange phenomena. Let's bring
him on in science, Bob, it is always good to
have you here. Merry Christmas to you and your lovely family.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Ay Christmas to you and yours and to everybody in
the in the studio. In chat and man, that was
an awesome intro, Dave, that was new. I liked it
and it was over the top. You made me blush.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Well, you know what, anytime I can make you blush
is it's a good thing. It's a rarity. But we're
going to go through the top ten, Top ten, Top
fifteen UFO stories tonight at least if I missed any,
you know what, maybe we can get them at the
back end of the show. But we're going to go
through this. But first, for people who may have not

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heard you. Let's talk a little bit of your background here.
You're a scientist by trade, You've taught it Virginia Tech University,
you worked for the alphabet agencies, and then the UFOs came.
Give us a little synopsis of that.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Okay. So I was a geek from the time I
was a kid. Went to Auburn University because I thought
there was no other school could hold me, because you know,
you had to be at one football school of the
other football school. So I chose Auburn and went there

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with one thing in mind and wound up doing mathematics
and engineering. So I graduated from there, went to Sandy
A Labs, and after about a year, I saw that
if you won't respect you got to get a graduate degree.
So I went to Brown University and got a PhD
and applied mathematics with my application areas physics, computer science,

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and signal processing. So there you go. So that was that.
Then I went to work for the intelligence community, where
I lasted. I survived twenty eight years, and then at
the end of twenty eight years, I decided to retire
and go. After a year at detail to Oakridge, I
decided to retire and go to work at Virginia Tech

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in the Human Center for National Security and Technology, where
I stayed for ten years and was the chief scientist.
So it was a nice long run. And during the
time I was a Virginia Tech I founded two successful companies.
One is Hawk three sixty, which is a satellite company
that looks down at the Earth and locates transmitters on

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the ground for pre letter agencies and companies. And the
other one is Federated Wireless, which is doing a new
way of using spectrum for cellular telephones. And it's also
a major player in the Wi Fi six development stuff.
So I can't wait till we roll out Wi Fi six.
So anyway, I'm a technical geek. Then I got into

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doing technical stuff with UFOs and UAP stuff, and then
asked to be on the board of advisors of Skywasher LLC.
And now I'm in the Visible College with a bunch
of other pe people. You'll soon see my face and
all out on the Visible College website, and there are
other things that I'll be in formerly be joined and

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soul here in about a month and then we'll we'll
we'll we'll figure out where it goes from there.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Where did the love of UFOs come from?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
When I was single digit years old, I can't remember
the exact number. My dad loved science fiction and he
that that rolled over into me and we watched Michael Rennie,
Sam jaffieh what's her name? And uh, Bud what's his name?

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From Dennis to Menace or my father knows best I mean,
and uh the day the Earth stood still caught my imagination.
The flying saucer, of the robot, all of it, every
bit of it just turned me on. So I started

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looking up at the sky and saw a few things built, telescopes,
got into radios, and it just being a geek all
my life was just part of I love science fiction
and it made me wanted to do science.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
As I'm hardcore on X says scientists by day sor
super correspondent by night. That's what I love about it,
or for me, that's what I love about you, Bob.
You have over the last couple of years, really, you know,
kept a very close eye on the UFO community, the
UAP community, because I still believe there is a divide

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in between the two. Not trying to get political, but
you know, I do believe that there is something about that.
Your thoughts looking back before we get into the top
fifteen stories. Here, your thoughts overall on twenty twenty five
for the UFO community. A good year, a bad year,
a challenging year. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Okay, So, all the way up until three weeks ago,
it has been a grumpy year for UAP and UFO
people because they kept thinking and I never thought that
Congress is going to pass the law that broke all
us out in the open, and it was just never

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gonna happen, I mean, and then they adopted heroes in
Congress that had that zero power zero their representatives and
they can write laws, but they have no power because
they're not the chairperson of a committee. And those are

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the people with power. And these people like Burchette and
apol A Luna and so forth and so on, they're
doing good stuff, but they have no power to make
stuff happens. So I just went, well, this is good.
We're hearing stuff.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
But then.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I thought Age of Disclosure was going to fall
flat on his face. And I will tell you what, Dave,
you know me when I'm wrong, I admit I'm wrong.
Age of Disclosure hit and it's the single most popular
documentary ever released on prime video. It has poles rocketing

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through the top in the United statess this is an
issue they actually care about, and the political people are
listening to all of that. And I'm hopeful that there'll
be some motion inside the White House and the National

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Security Council. But I hope the motion isn't let's spin
our wheels. Stay absolutely nothing. We got this on under advisement,
and if we find something, we'll let you know. Don't
call us, We'll call you until it drifts away like
it has in the past. I'm hoping it's not that.
And Trump needs Trump needs a win. He definitely needs

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a win. His poll numbers are falling. The things he's
promises people are not quite coming around. He needs a win,
and I may I believe as strongly as I can
that he wants this win. He needs to figure out
how to make the win without getting into trouble.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Lou Elisondo was recently interviewed by Ross Coltart on that
exact subject, and Ross asked Lou point blank, has Trump
been read in fully on this subject?

Speaker 2 (11:41):
And yes, that's an absolute yes.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
But Lou's response was no comment. Yeah, but that is
a yes, I would agree with you on that.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I know. I know Louis wants to look. Look, it's
clear for a the memo or letter of whatever that
he sent to the National Security Council and the President,
he was angling. And this is my opinion. I haven't
talked to him. And though he says I'm giving my
he was angling for the job or Ufo Tzar for

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the National Security Council, and so he is. He knows
no one is worse than Trump about you talking out
about him or for him without his permission and blessing,
and mostly only when you're standing by him. That is
a surefired way to get in trouble with his president
is speak out a turn and get ahead of it.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
What would be the reasoning Trump or any other president
in the future would want to disclose.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Trump I think he believes it'll be a popular de session.
And he is truly, truly a love of being loved
and thought of and spoken of. And if he's not
in the news every day, five times a day, he's
an unhappy camper. And it's just it's one of his

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personality traits. He likes being in the public eye. He
likes the things he's praised for, and I think if
he does this, he'll get he'll be praised. I'll praise
him if he becomes a disclosure president, but I don't
think it's gonna be. We need to define disclosure. If
you think he's gonna show you a craft and say

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this landed at Roswell and show you the alien bodies
that are frozen in the bottom of right Patterson Air
Force Base, that ain't happening.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
So what do you see happening?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
He might come out and say, we're not alone.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Predicted for me, what do you see happening? If it
does happen.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, I predict that he will say, we have for
some time known that we are not alone. We've been visited,
we've even had some interactions. But those things we know
that we feel will give the United States an advantage
because of our advantage position. Technically, we will not be

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discussing because we don't want to advantage our peer adversaries
while the world is in such a troubled state. Our
job is to protect you and our institutions. So we're
here to tell you sorry about the way we felt
we had to do this. Starting in World War Two,
when the Soviet Union looked like it might blow us

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up one day, and now we're at different times and
the structures got to be redone. We'll be working our
way through how to change this structure over the next
year or two, maybe five. But for now, we admit
they are here. We admit they are known, and we

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have technologies that we're doing. But the thing we won't
hear is we're in named the embargo on all science
that might be related because they just they just don't
want to do that. But and that science is the
thing we need because it will transform human society.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I think if I were to ask my if my
opinion were asked on it, I think it's going to
go something like this, My fellow Americans, we have we
have picked up a signal from somewhere deep in space.
We believe it is from an an extraterrestrial type planet

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or a life form. We have no signs of craft.
I think they'll deflect it from Earth and that's the
way I see it going. I think it'll be some
sort of NASA. You mentioned Trump needs a win. I
think NASA needs a bigger win, Okay, And I think
they they put it on NASA that NASA picked up signal,

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and that's how it's gonna play out. What do you
think about that?

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, so the problem with that is Putin's mad at us.
He is really angry, and so if we do that,
he and g will probably want to do something to
try to one up us. And Putin had cosmonauts that
had a direct interaction with non human intelligence on the
Solute seven and the Mirror, both of them, and you know,

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I think she has down craft. He he might even
decide to show the down craft. I mean, it's it's
one of these things where you got to you gotta
do enough that you can go as far as not
give away stuff, but to force your adversaries if they
want to go further, they have to tell stuff they

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don't want to tell. So in other words, it's a
it's a balancing. He wants to go as far as
he can to try to him in and corral what
they feel they can do.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
All right, Bob, you ready, we got six and a
half minutes ago before we go to break at the
bottom of the hour science Bob is here. We're going
to get into the top fifteen stories of twenty twenty
five in the UFO world. And we're going to go
back to the month of September where during a congressional hearing,
Congress played a video released it to the world of

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military surveillance clip showing a hell fire missile striking then
deflecting off some sort of moving orb It was over
the sea near Yemen. It becomes one of the most
debated UFFO slash UAP evidence pieces since the Nimitz encounter.
A lot of people believe they have debunked this video.

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What's your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
It has not been develunked. And the reason is once
you look at it carefully and see the piece that
happened after that when the thing hit what it hit,
it did not explode. The missile did not explode, and
what it hit came into three or four pieces, but

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they kept flying along. They didn't fall to the earth.
So that's not something we know how to do.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
What if the health fire missile wasn't activated in order
to explode on impact.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well, it didn't explode on impact, and so if it
was deactivated, but it doesn't matter. The pieces exhibited behavior
that physics can explain after contact.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Now Here is one of the theories I heard on
this Okay, from somebody who has spent time in combat
is they don't know where it came from. They don't
know if it came from the from the Nutbars and Yemen,
they don't know if it came from some other source.
Could have been American for all we know. And the

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theory that I've heard from somebody who spent combat time
is it's better to shoot down and say sorry rather
than say sorry after whatever it is engages you and
kills a bunch of soldiers. So just your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I completely agree. Look, if it's in if they're insight
the Gulf and there, or the Aiden or or the
Red Cita, any of those places, and they're shot at
our sus Canal and they're shot at by the Nis
regularly there Anything that comes into their exclusion zone they're

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gonna shoot at. But the thing that I saw is
when you have a collision, all the room pieces share
the momentum. So momentum from this piece is transferred along
with the momentum from this piece when they collide, is

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transferred in different measures to all the remaining pieces. But
the sum of this one and the sum of this
one has to equal the sum of all the pieces,
and it did not happen. Dave. That's a violation of
classical physics, meaning we don't know how it happened. We

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don't know how it works, but it did not preserve
the linear momentum of the two pieces.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Do we know how fast it was going?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I could not see a thing that told.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Us, because I've heard reports.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. One piece tells us something. We
know how fast the hell fire almost surely was going,
but after that we just don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, now I'm going to look up how fast does
a health fire missile travel? Hellfire missile can fly it
over one thousand miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
That sounds right, it's well above the speed of sound.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, but it's not my one.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, it's not hypersonic. But there you go.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And they're usually very accurate missiles.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
They are one of the most spectacularly successful weapons in
our arsenal.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Are they heat seeking or no?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
They have multiple ways of finding and tracking and tagging.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Okay, so does the warhead. I think I was told
by someone, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that
it takes about a minute for the hellfire missile to
activate once it takes off.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, you definitely don't want it coming back and hitting you.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
No, no, but it from the time it's launched, there
is there is a window. I think it's either thirty
seconds or a minuteosion.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
That you don't want an accidental explosion of any type
damaging you, so you wait to mock. One point three
mock will move away from you so fast. Even if
it explodes, it's nowhere near you.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, yeah, I can. I can totally see that. But
is there a chance that it hit this object before
the warhead was or had the ability to be detonated.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
That is a possibility, but again we don't know enough
details to say that's true. But that that that kind
of thing happens like torpedoes hit something, ding and fall off.
That's because the warhead has not been activated because it
wasn't far enough away from the marine that fired it.

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And the same thing can happen with hell fire missiles.
They're gated off until they're far up away, So that
is possible, but we don't know. We just don't know enough.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
The distance that a hellfire missile has in range is
between five hundred yards and up to six point eight
miles or eleven kilometers, so it's not an overly distant
missile to be used. It doesn't have a big.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Air air it's definitely air to air mostly, and it's
mostly when you're in air to air combat. And it's
a small missile, but the specific impulse of solid solid
fuel really gets it up and out of there in
a big, big hurry, and it burns until it's depleted,

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and it guides and glides for the rest and then
tags whatever it's going to tag. It blows. Yeah, it's
just it's a great it's a great armament in terms
of quality, Bob.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
When we return, we are going to continue with our
year in review of twenty twenty five. In the UFO world,
Doctor Bob McGuire we call them Science Bob around these
parts comes in and hangs out with us once a
month for Science Bob and Friends, and we are glad
to have him here as we review the UFO story

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of this past year. Stay tuned the second half hour
spaced out radio returns. All right, Bob, we're clear, Sarah Yan,

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How are you, my dear? I hope you're doing well.
All right? Thank you, Trucker Andrew. It's good mustache you

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got going on there.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Science Bob thank you, and the season's great east to you.
Cometh Man, my old.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Friend, Are you gonna join us in Vegas?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I'm planning on it.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
It's my birthday weekend. I need some science around there.
I want a picture of Science Bob at the gates
of Area fifty one. That's what I lovely, That's what
I want.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I don't want to see I want to see
us get close enough we bring the Camo dudes out.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, we tried to bring the Camo dudes out last time,
but then El Fantasmo and El Ovney Volador challenged them
and they and we didn't want to see that, so
we scurried away.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean, as long as you don't cross the red line,
they're not gonna mess with you, but they will come
close enough to look at you. They don't want to
get caught on camera. They know what's going on. Those
poor guys. I actually feel sorry for him because, let

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me tell you what, they actually.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
Know nothing, that's true to nothing about what's going on inside.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Is Science Bob going to be a Caribou khan if
he shows up?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yes, but oh I'm going to your thing when Yeah,
I'm I am damn determined to come to that.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, well, if you do come a few days earlier, I.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Don't know, a few days earlier, and when you're when
your refrigerator is empty, I'll go back home.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Sounds good to me. Doors open, you know, where you
can sleep.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Out in the snow.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
No, there won't be snow at that time, hopefully, No,
I don't I know. But the reason why I'm saying
come a few days earlier because I'm going to have
Grant Cameron come up a few days earlier.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So that way, Oh, it'll be great, it'll be good
to see Grant.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, but I want to go. I want to take
Grant a couple of days in a row up to
flight twenty one.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yep, I'm ready t bone my man.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
How you doing? Good to have you here, my friend.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
So what do you do? You fly into Vancouver and
then drive You.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Can do that enjoy I would I would recommend that
because the drive through the canyon is absolutely gorgeous. It's
gotta be yeah, yeah, and there's a lot of great
stops along the canyon to take pictures.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, yep, I think, uh, I think we'll probably do that.
I hope I can get long to come, but I
may not because Xandra will be in school.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you there, and.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Let me tell you a teenager. You gotta watch it.
Oh yeah, they're good there, he's a good kid. But
never mind, gotta watch no.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I fully agree, fully agree.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
People don't forget their their they're cerebrum is not fully integrated,
so they have hallucinations of grandeur.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Right, all right, we got about a minute here, Bob.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Can't wait to put on shows in your studio.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh that would be good. Aj How you doing? My
friend well, Sarah Joan, you could join us in Vegas
then Rasmetaz. Wow, been a while, Dave Tiger Williams, he'll
drop the gloves for you. How you doing, buddy? We

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show of Science Bob and Friends and we are looking
back at the top fifteen stories of ufology in twenty
twenty five. The first one was the Congressional hearing missile
video that happened around the Sea of Yemen, or in
the sea around Yemen, I should say number two. We

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continue with the Congressional hearings, Bob, and this was I
think the most profound moment of those hearings. It was
a gentleman none of us had ever heard of before
his name Dylan Borland, and his testimony and media appearances
electrified and shocked the disclosure movement. Not only did he

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claim to have an interaction with a Black triangle, but
he did what he was supposed to do, Bob. He
reported it. He reported it to Arrow, which all of
a sudden seemed to claim that he never reported it there.
He ended up losing his job. He ended up losing
his security clearance. At the time of the hearings, he

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said he only had about six weeks left of unemployment.
Didn't know what he did wrong because he followed the
protocol of what he was supposed to do in reporting
a UFO slash UAP, and he literally got ostracized from
the intelligence community over it. Now in his claims, he

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claimed the US Intelligence does possess long standing legacy data
on non human technology, that some UAP signatures have no
prosaic interpretation, And it really brought into at least in
my heart, in my feeling that he has been the
most honest and genuine. I don't want to use the

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word whistleblower because I don't believe we have a whistleblower yet,
But if there is a whistleblower. I think him and
David Grush would be the closest we have to a whistleblower.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well, David Grush is the whistle blower technically and spiritually.
He is legally a whistle blower as defined in US law.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Dylan Borland.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
But I thought Borland was I thought Borland was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
What'd you like about him?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I like the things he brought the fact that he
gave kind of sufficient evidence that if he were a liar,
he would have hung himself and he didn't. And he's
continued to talk about his brushes with the Legacy Program
and so forth. I mean, it's just and he's he's
his storyorry about what he saw and the craft that

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got him in trouble are They're the same every time
you hear them. They don't change.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Here's one of the things that I really liked about
him out of that panel, and that included I thought
him and George Knapp were phenomenal. But since the David
Grush hearing, I don't think we have had a panel
that showed as much emotion and of getting to the

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topic at hand as we did in that hearing. I
really don't and I thought George Knapp was spectacular. I
don't really care what people think, because there's a lot
of people in the UFO community who think he's just
grifting on this story. I don't believe that for a second.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Well, I'm like, I'm glad to go into my George
Rand if.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
You want, yeah, go right ahead, We got time, Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
So people have heard of Bob Bigelow in this field.
People have heard of Harry Reid in this field. People
have heard of Jim Lakatski in this field. People have
heard of Skinwalker Ranch in this field. People heard of
lots of things in this field. And people may know
that the United States government has all of the Soviet

(35:20):
Union UFO records. Why are all of those things true?
That's because George Bob George Nude Senator reed, George Nude Lekatski,
because George knew of our Skinwalker, and George was the

(35:41):
person that brought them all together in a room and
got them to work together. We own nap. Ever since
nineteen eighty nine when he brought out Lazar, almost everything
has kind of gone on in a major way. George
Knapp was there at the beginning and mostly the instigator

(36:02):
and stop talking about this guy like he's a gripter.
He's a newspaper guy, well, a television thing, and he's
making a buck. Who cares.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
He's a journalist. He's doing his job journalist, you know.
And that's that's the way I feel about it, you know.
And if you're a journalist, you build your sources, and
if your sources give you information, you report on it.
That's what he does. You know, he's been I know
for a fact he was asked by KLAS Television in

(36:38):
Las Vegas, where he's worked since I believe nineteen eighty one,
eighty two, okay, that he was asked over the last
number of years for more UFO stories. Dig into it.
That's what they wanted him to dig into. And I
thought he's done a fantastic job with it, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
And look, people don't understand when they're so union fell.
And he took an opportunity to go over there and
talk to all of these secret people who were on
the inside of their program and brought back all these
documents and told our government about their program. He risked

(37:16):
his neck sneaking those papers out. He is a brave.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Guy, totally brave guy. Okay, But when I heard him
and Dylan Borland on the panel, they came out swinging
in different ways. They came out swinging. And the one
thing that I think that you know, you know, whether
it was Ryan Graves or David Fraver or even David

(37:45):
Grush or many others, the one thing that we didn't
hear was the impact of actually doing what you're told
to do, and that is if you see something reported.
And I think because of what happened to Dylan Borland
and basically seeing a black triangle UFO while on a

(38:07):
military base, he reported it like he was supposed to
and then got reprimanded for it. I'm wondering, Bob, if
that's going to set the record back a little bit
because of the repercussions that Dylan Borland went through.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, I'll tell you what, I hope not. I'm really
upset that he's been treated the way he has. I hope,
I hope some of these lawyers we know that are
is still will take up his case and fight for it.
If unfortunately that part of his life is covered under
the Uniform Code of Military Justice and it'll be a

(38:54):
military trial. A fancy civilian lawyer can only be there
as a helper, internal official lawyer, has to wear a uniform.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Would agree, would totally agree, let's move on in our
top ten here or top fifteen, because I could talk
about Dylan Borland for another hour and that's you know,
you know, not going to do us very well. The one,
the one name that continues to come up, whether it's science,

(39:27):
whether it's these UFO slash UAP companies, these groups, every
group that seems to be set up, is Gary Nolan,
the Stanford University scientist who is literally everywhere. He in
my opinion, Gary Nolan has become the face of the
franchise when it comes to the UFO slash UAP subject

(39:52):
in the United States and maybe the.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
World pretty maybe, pretty close.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I would agree. Okay, he had some very strong assertations
about this subject this year. He said, recovered UAP materials
show non terrestrial isotopic ratios. Bob, you're a scientist, what
does that mean?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Okay, So the sun and the material that made up
our sun and our planets has all sorts of atoms
in it, but the number of carbon twelve and carbon
fourteen and oxygen disks, and so the number of neutrons

(40:33):
that are in each of the atoms is different from
our star than it is from another star. So a
material that's naturally part of our neighborhood will have one
isotope of an atom as a percentage of that which
is there, and another isotope of atom percentage that will have.

(40:57):
That's what you'll call the isotope ratio. The isotope ratio
varies depending on the material that made up the star
system from a different area. So if the ratios on
the materials are not relating it, and that's not I
just said about one atom, but it's like all the

(41:20):
atoms in the materials have these same kind of ratios.
So it's this every atom in that material has different
ratios of isotopes than are in our area. It didn't
come from here, period, no one. No one would spend

(41:40):
the money to have an amalgam of different material atoms
to have different isotopes. That would be more expensive than
the Manhattan Project.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Okay, So does that non terrestrial isotopic ratio then mean
that it is a life or that it just came
from somewhere else?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
It just came from somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Okay, I mean, look, we could have a meat.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
We could have a meteor that came from another star
system land on Earth and wind up in your metal
your metal dish, and it would have wrong isotopic ratios.
All it means is it came from a different star system. Well,
doesn't mean an ad brought it.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yep, that makes sense. Then. One of the other things
that he stated was that some craft appear far beyond
human engineering timelines.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yep. So we do not know at all. We have
no notion of how to make a craft that can
go into the ocean at high speed and move underwater
faster than the speed of sound, best, faster than the
speed of sound and air and to sound underwater it's

(43:01):
a lot faster. But never mind, you can't go anywhere
near that fast underwater because water is incompressible. You can't
compress it and have bow shock waves like you do
in the air. Yeah, it was just flatten whatever you
got there. If you try to go any faster and
then make it through without a dint, that is non human.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Bob. What kind of noise would it make underwater to
have something traveling at mock speed.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Well, so this is one of the things that I
am honored and astounded to be able to tell you,
like I've said all the places. When I was on
the USS Hampton, which is a nuclear submarine, for quite
some time, we were moving underwater deep for a while.

(43:59):
We had an object go by that the master chief
senior master chief that ran the sonar room ran out
and told the captain that they had a fast mover.
And it sounded almost exactly like with the differences that
they could tell a torpedo going underwater. But it was

(44:19):
going way too fast to be a torpedo. It was
going so fast it was moving faster than the speed
of sound as it went by the boat. So it's
still displacing water, and that displacing of water makes a sound,
but it wasn't cavitation sounds, which is you're trying to
move so fast you're churning things up where it makes turbulence.

(44:42):
It was not turbulent noise.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Did you get to see.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
It, No, because I was inside and we could hear it,
but we could not see it, and we were we
were too deep for natural wide.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I'm just curious on how fast a torpedo can travel.
Pretty good clip they use torpedoes. Usually speeds vary between
thirty and fifty knots, which is fifty six to ninety
three kilometers an hour. Okay, but they have the Russians

(45:26):
have a torpedo that can fly around three hundred and
seventy kilometers an hour, and jeez, well there's sixty two
miles in one hundred, so you're about one hundred and
eighty miles an hour at the fastest.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Okay, man, that thing has to be so carefully designed,
and it is gobbling whatever's driving the props energy, just
gobbling it to plow through that dense waters. It's just
a flow, and to do that is amazing.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I can totally see that. So with that being said,
you know, getting back into the way these craft are designed,
they usually do not show rivets. They do usually did
not show any blending of materials like weld marks or
anything along those lines. You know, just your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Well, they have some kind of advanced material deposition where
things are laid out. Given that what we've heard about
their strength and all this other stuff at the atomic level,
but it's a fancy form of quantum three D printing
is how they're made.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
The other thing that caught the attention of many people
this year from Gary Lowland was that the stigma in
the science community around UFOs and UAP is collapsing. I
think this is a good thing too.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'm very happy about it.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Why do you think more scientists are starting to take
this subject seriously?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Because they the good scientists take data and they look
at the data and figure out what logically and scientifically
they can say. And lots of good scientists are coming
and saying, I don't care what anyone says, we don't
know how to do that, and it can't be from

(47:32):
here kind of thing. There's lots of scientists doing it,
and they're refused to sit behind and not say anything.
And our government, whether you like it or not, whether
you like what they have done, has admitted that these
videos that Loue Elizondo and Chris Mellen brought out of

(47:54):
the mimics incident and the go fast are real and unknown.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Do you think the SCU, the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies,
has had an impact like that as well?

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, they did nowhere near that much, but they've gotten
some really good stuff going. Well. I'll tell you anything that,
in my opinion, the SEU has made possible is that
Matthew Zadagas and Kevin Canous. They got a humongous grant
to UAP Science, et cetera at Syracuse University. They're gonna

(48:38):
have They're gonna have a they're gonna have a study
center doing real work on this problem with funding. This
is what I'm telling you. The reason scientists don't do
it every day is because they're not free to do
it every day. The scientists that work at universities, they're
quote on contract. They have to do work they are

(49:02):
funded to do, not only work, they can't do it
in any serious way technical expensive work because nobody's going
to give them money to do it. That's find funding
from a funding entity.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
All Right, we got five minutes ago. Let's move on
to the next topic. Because Gary Nolin, I'm sure will
come up once again number four this year, and this
one just irritates the living hell out of me. NASA
has expanded its official UAP research mandate, and they're calling
it the most ambitious UAP effort to date. Multisensory atmospheric

(49:42):
monitoring AI driven anomaly detection, collaborations with academic teams and Skywatcher,
a new scientific UAP advisory panel. Your thoughts on this,
So they.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Do have the ability to do that kind of coordination.
The devil is in the details, and we have not
been told all those details. The facts are they do
already operate telescopes all over the place for tracking meteors
and other things, and they could easily be repurpose to

(50:19):
look at objects that are out there. And I'm gonna
tell you what I think, beat for Vio's uh are
looking at at oh palomar plates has stirred the pot.
The problem is those kinds of telescopes are not useful
for looking for UFOs because they focus on too tiny

(50:42):
a spot because they're trying to magnify or gather light
that's from out there. Now it's it's they can do something,
but it was it's not. They're gonna they have to
have more equipment than they already have, in my opinion,
to make a useful contribution. Abviy Lowe, who is very
unpopular in science circles, has done what is the right design,

(51:07):
but I don't think it'll get be adopted because he
wants a billion dollars from the government.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Here's my issue with NASA. Okay, and I'm going to
sound like a broken record here, but I'm going to
say it again, they're fake when it comes to this subject.
They have decades of information that they have played off
and there isn't a journalist around I don't. I will

(51:36):
even call out George Knapp Ross Coltheart, you know, professionally
on not going after NASA regarding their lies and deceit
about this subject. NASA has recordings that have been released
to the public. They have astronauts who've come out. They've
had test pilots come out, including one who took a

(51:59):
far odo of a UFO right beside him at MOC
six in the X fifteen at three hundred and fourteen
thousand feet. They have the proof, but they are playing
the world, the media, and the UFO community like fools,
and yet we're letting them off the hook.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Pop totally agree.

Speaker 6 (52:24):
I think the issue is a lot of the constraints
on them are because when NASA was stood up, it
was have restrictions placed on it where things it would
work on and find and want to release to the

(52:45):
public had to go through multi agency betting.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
And they can't get the stuff past the intelligens community
and DoD because they want this stuff keft secret.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
But The thing is, if you take that report from
the X fifteen pilots, it's already been released by the public.
Why can't leadership of NASA just come out and say, yes,
we have released this in the past that are.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Under the Space Acts. They are not allowed to do
anything they aren't given permission to do.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
But if it's already been released public, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Just Look if I have a classic somebody says there's
a piece of top secret classified information, tell us about it.
I can't because it's a crime. They can't because they're forbidden.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
So what you're saying to recap is that even though
they have already released it, they can't go back and
revisit their own notes and public without permission.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
So from an inter agency committee, it's off all day.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
That is awful.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
It's horrible, and you know, and I know the consequences
are we are not doing the science work and the
public that can change the world.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I get that, I can appreciate it. I find it
extremely frustrating, but that is also the job of the
journalism community to be able to call them out on that.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
They will.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Let's continue this conversation with NASA in our Top fifteen
stories of Upology with Science Bob. This is based out
Radio with Hopes Dave Scott. All Right, Science Bob, I'm

(55:00):
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Speaker 7 (55:05):
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Doctor Bob Maguire, known around these parts as Science Bob,
is hanging on out with us for the top fifteen
stories in ufology so far. One hour in, we've made
it to number four, which is NASA, and Bob, I

(01:02:30):
want to give you some final words on NASA not
being able to tell what they've already released over the years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I think we beat that horse, and I forgot what
I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Well, let's move on. Here's one that's close to your heart.
Skywatcher really really trended in twenty twenty five with their
optical IR radio fusion and atmospheric monitoring, earning national attention
with people like Jake Barber, and they came up with Summoning.
They also decided to change all the names to from

(01:03:05):
UFOs to different names that seemed to you know, really
ruffle a few feathers, including my own on this show.
But they talked about doing these summoning features called psionics
with some success, and they really seemed to come out
of the gates fast, come out of the gates hard,

(01:03:25):
and then by the end of twenty twenty five, where
we are now, it just seems like they were like
a one hit wonder in music. They're one and done.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Okay, So if you want to think of it like this,
they were a bunch of contractors who were brought together
to do a job, and the contractors did their job,
and then they were saying, Okay, the contract's over, go home.
And the people that are left of the scientists doing
the analysis of the data. That's exact. So that's where

(01:03:58):
we AREONYX people are not doing the work churs. There's
no work being done in the field right now. The
technical people that we're doing EOI R and dog whistles
and all that, they're not doing an art because that
part of the contract is over. There are terror bytes
of data to be analyzed, and Gary Nollen is leading

(01:04:21):
the science analysis and so that's where we are. And
I don't believe another observational plan will happen until that
analysis is done, because that analysis informs what sensors and
other activities needed to be added for the future, and

(01:04:43):
so we will have to wait. We decided to be
patient and wait, and one the lead technical guy has
decided to go back to work. Is he's quite lucratively
paid by the Department of Defense and Intelligence community to
do work for them, and so he's gone back to

(01:05:03):
doing that work full time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Well, lucrative always seems to do very well there. You know,
I liked a lot of what SKYWATSH was doing. Have
I been critical of them, Yes, I have, And you
know what, that is something that I think is part
of my job as a journalist and a radio host
to sometimes critique things that we have to critique, and
you know, you may not like to at times, but

(01:05:28):
it does have to be done. I thought that their
mission to try and create and bring knowledge to how
to contact was a good thing, you know. And I
will say this. I did respond to a tweet from
Jake Barber where he got into psionics and I remember saying,

(01:05:51):
you know, can you please rectify I'm paraphrasing here, so
please forgive me if I don't know the exact words.
Basically I said, can you please let the public know
that summoning aka psionics has been around for a long
time before you guys brought it to the public, And

(01:06:13):
to Jake Barber's credit, he actually responded and says, absolutely
it has you know, because a lot of people were
thinking that, including myself at first, because we naturally assume
that they were actually trying to take credit for starting
this new piece of science that they were using whether
it was telepathy or consciousness or whatever you want to

(01:06:35):
call it, to try and contact UFOs, And yet people
had been doing it for years, but they never really
until that moment, had really stated that this was something
that had been done before. So I want to give
Jake Barber credit for that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah, he's a good guy, and I think he is
a multifaceted, multi layered, interesting guy that we are not
really going to get to know all about him because
he's a private person in many ways. But he's done
a good job as a public spokesman and he's gone
back to doing some other stuff. But you can see

(01:07:15):
that he interacts with those psionics people a lot on
x X slash Twitter, and he went to Soul represented
the group and along with James Fowler, gave a talking
Soul about their activities to give a public record along
with Gary Nolan, of the activities that have gone on inside.

(01:07:35):
And I don't know. I am not in the planning
of any of this now. My advisory capacity is not
being utilized. So I'm on the sideline like all of you.
We just don't know what the current activities will be
because this stuff was funded by Alex and some others

(01:07:57):
that met out at the California Your Haven place and
decided to fund the thing. So anyway, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I'm going to add one here because the gentleman is
in our YouTube chat room. But I would be very
remiss in the UFO Specops world, okay if we didn't
give an honorable mention on tonight's list to mister Jim Goodall.
He is a legend in this field. And Jim earlier
this year that I don't know, I don't know, and

(01:08:34):
Jim Goodall Jim my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Mother.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
In April of this year, the aviation author US Air
Force retired an expert on stealth technology, Jim Goodall, was
inducted into the United States Aviation Hall of Fame, recognized
for his extensive work documenting spooky military aircraft especially the
SR seventy one Blackbird, his Air Force service at his

(01:09:03):
significant contributions bringing these planes to museums and major highlights
in his storied career. Jim Goodall, who's been a guest
on this show so many times and he has been
just an incredible supporter of Spaced Out Radio and myself.
He has attended every single fan party that we have
done the last few years, and he is absolutely amazing,

(01:09:26):
and we wanted to just give a quick shout out
to Jim Goodall.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Let me add my little bit is He's all. He's
well known in this group for his aviation work, but
Jim has documented better than any entity I know on
Earth in unclassified circles, the nuclear submarine fleet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
He is, Bob, you froze up, You froze up. I'll
let you finish that statement when you come back. My
favorite Jim Goodall story of this year was at our

(01:10:10):
Vegas fan party that we did back in May of
this year. Jim was came with us out to Rachel, Nevada,
which is on the outskirts of Area fifty one, and
we went out into the desert with him and he
was showing us where he was able to take photos

(01:10:33):
at the mountains. They climbed in order to try and
get pictures of the elusive bass at Area fifty one,
and it was just an absolute great time with Jim.
And here's one of the things that I really enjoyed
after that, being literally on the outskirts, having the Camo
dudes watching us, and it was an amazing time. After that,

(01:10:57):
we pulled down into Rachel and we stopped at the
Little Alien and Jim was walk looking around at all
the pictures and everything, and we grabbed each grabbed a
burger and a beverage, and he's walking around as we're
by the souvenir shop and all of a sudden, I
hear Jim say, hey, that's my photo to the girl

(01:11:19):
who's working there, and it's a picture of an SR
seventy one inside a C five galaxy. And Jim's like,
that's my photo. And the lady's like that photo there
and he's like yeah, he goes. She goes, yeah, this
one has been on the wall here for quite a while,
hanging up and he's like, I took that photo. That's

(01:11:41):
my blackbird. That's my blackbird. And this lady was just like,
you got to be kidding me, and then on the
inside because it was like a I don't know if
it was like a photocopy of it or just a
secondary photo of it. And he literally was is like,

(01:12:01):
you know, there's my signature on the photo. Okay, Uh,
Science Bob has dropped out due to his internet, so
we're gonna call him right now. His internet has crashed.
Hold on.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
My internet?

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Is all right, Science Bob, I got you on the
phone here, so we're going to continue this interview by
the phone. If you're okay with that. All right, let
me just get set up. I'm just telling the Jim
Goodall story out at Rachel, Nevada right now, So just
bear with me a couple of seconds here, Science Bob.

(01:12:44):
And while we're while I'm setting up for Science Bob,
here this watching Jim Goodall literally, you know, get so
excited that the a little alien had his picture of
a C five galaxy carrying and SR seventy one was
absolutely awesome. It was an awesome moment, and I was

(01:13:08):
so happy to be able to be a part of
that and watch his excitement and his emotion. Jim, congratulations
once again on this year being I guess I guess
we could say being part of the US Aviation Hall
of Fame. It is well deserved. Probably should have happened

(01:13:29):
a lot sooner, but we're glad that you did science, Bob.
Can you hear me? Okay, I hear you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Just fine?

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
All right, Well, we got you here on telephone now,
the old school way of doing things, and your Internet
got knocked out, but we're glad that you're still able
to do this. And we're gonna move on in our
top fifteen moments in ufology in twenty twenty five, and

(01:13:56):
this is a big one. Okay, we're gonna talk a
little bit, Bob about three I at Lists joining the
UFO research landscape. Now everybody knows three eye at Lists.
The comment that came from somewhere, we don't know where
it came from, ended our atmosphere or not our atmosphere,
pardon me, our solar system, from somewhere deep, deep, deep

(01:14:18):
in space. And many people were wondering if this was
actually a UFO craft, including Harvard astrophysicist A ve Lobe,
who said, yeah, it's probably a comment, most likely a comment,
but we can't rule out that it could be a UFO.
Your thoughts on this science Bob.

Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
Well, I mean, I don't know what Avvy was doing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
I don't know what he's still doing other than trying
to grant.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
But it appears to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Me to be granted that because it is different from
most of the comments we see. But never mind, it
developed into what looks like a comet that we see,
and we keep getting these misleading, disinformation, misinvasion, misinformed stories

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all along, and it came.

Speaker 8 (01:15:11):
It's exactly what it was supposed to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Do and left.

Speaker 8 (01:15:14):
It's still on its way out and people can see
my pictures of it. They're not great, but they're there
on x and Facebook.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
But the thing they're gonna see is how fast that.

Speaker 8 (01:15:26):
Thing was moving. Because the stars are in focus.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
But it just looks like a smear. That's not because
my telescope's not working. That's because it's smearing across the picture.
It's moving fast, and so it's it's a nice.

Speaker 8 (01:15:40):
Thing to look at and there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
It'll be gone soon because it's going back out to
another star.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Well, one of the things that people were wondering about
this this three I at list, Bob, was that it
was really making some very very interesting movements from ninety
degree turns to when it came around the Sun, it
didn't follow the gravitational trajectory that they thought it would.

(01:16:09):
It seemed to be acting on its own. And this
is where people like Avi Lobe were saying, hold on
a second here, we can't rule out that it is
potentially a UFO.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Okay, So when things get close to the Sun and
they have lots of volacles on them, those volatles can
be released explosively. And when you have a buried piece
of molecule that suddenly gets explosively released, guess what, Dave,
that's a rocket motor. So they have their own built

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in gases that go from frozen to hot propelled gas
when they come close to the Sun, and that acts
like a rocket motor and changes the velocity of the thing.
We've seen that many time on comments many and so
it's just we don't have enough information because see anything

(01:17:08):
of a van it is a different metal content, like
we were talking earlier, different isotopes and different metals and
different makeups than comments would be in our solar system
because it came up a different solar system. But it's
still a comment. It did his thing.

Speaker 8 (01:17:26):
It changed the jurjectory a little bit when it but.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
When gases expanded violently and left and made the tail,
and then after that it is gone. I mean, it's
a comment. It's just a very interesting one. Didn't we
come from here? It had some weird colors, but it
was a comic.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
So for those of us who aren't very educated on
the subject, if you look at, say, you know, a
month and a half ago, comment Lemon was flying by
Bob and it was being, you know, just acting like
a normal comment would. When we look at the way
that this happened, what would be the difference between, say,

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commet Lemon that will take another thirteen hundred years in
order to come around to Earth again, and somehow I
don't think you or myself will make it for that
next time around, you know, compared compared to say three
I atlas, which.

Speaker 8 (01:18:25):
Is that's that's pretty straightforward. So first of all, it's made.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Of different materials from a different star than our comments
are from our star.

Speaker 8 (01:18:38):
So they had.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Different colors, different metals, different concentrations, and all of those
things combined together to make the gases and other stuff
that's bottleful on it.

Speaker 8 (01:18:52):
Behave differently and look differently, and so the.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Differences are not crazy. They are in some ways easily explained,
even if they were unexpected.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
At any time. Did you think that, even though you
believed it was a comment, that three I at lists
might be something different.

Speaker 8 (01:19:16):
I had until I thought evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
I put it in the unknown category when I began
seeing evidence that it was continuing to follow the hyperbolic trajectory,
and people kept saying it moved, it moved, and they
but people forget how it happened.

Speaker 8 (01:19:37):
So people see a comment or something like it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
They guess the orbital elements using some mass, but the
observations that went into the guests are in error until
it gets closer and we can get a better look.

Speaker 8 (01:19:52):
But as it gets closer and we get a better.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Look, the quality of our description of the orbit gets
better and more accurate, and so it looks like it moved,
when all it did was we stopped adding two and
two and getting five, We started adding two and two
and got four.

Speaker 8 (01:20:09):
That's literally all the motions that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
We saw, except for the outgassing that happened around the sun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
We did the.

Speaker 8 (01:20:17):
Elements wrong, We were close foot and wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
When we got better looks, we did the elements better,
and we described it, orbit it better and so we corrected.
This is normal for these kinds of objects, even commet limits.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Okay, but what about the the side jokes. And I
don't want to use the word harassment because it's I
think it's too strong in this case. But the eye
rules that Avi Lobe got from the you know, astrophysicist
community and saying, look, we cannot rule this out, that

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this could be some sort of UFO, So that the.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
Science community won't make a statement like that. They will say,
we don't know, and we won't say anything until we
know more. That is normal scientific protocol and normal scientific behavior.
Avy Lobe does not follow prescription, so he had as

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people off. And he is very powerful. He's chair of
the astronomy department at another institute at Harvard, and that
gives him great power.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
And he is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
Using it for something that other scientists that are his
peers don't approve of the way he's going about things
because it's not typical.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
But should he have been chastised the way he was.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Because they wanted to behave like others. Should I've been
saying they have they have these standards of behavior for
talking about science.

Speaker 8 (01:21:58):
They could say, look, he could say, Look, this.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
Is an awesome opportunity. It's really neat. I think some
really neat things I think are happening. But I'm gonna
wait like everybody else, until i know more before I
stick my neck out and.

Speaker 8 (01:22:11):
Call it alien.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Well, we have two minutes to go here before we
have to go to break our next topic. We'll get
back to the whistleblowers, because there were a number of
people coming on out this year, Bob in the whistleblower community,
like Dylan Borland and many others who came out basically
saying they had seen things around nuclear missile silos. You know.

(01:22:36):
The big story, of course with Robert Silas was the
nuclear missile silos being turned on like it was a
brand news story like this had never been mentioned before.
Your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Well, I mean, I'm glad to see him coming out.

Speaker 8 (01:22:55):
I just the only problem I'm having, Griff to.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Say, is there's nothing happening that's good for all of
us with these people when they come out, other than
the small number.

Speaker 8 (01:23:09):
Of people who pay attention to UFOs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
All the time.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
In other words, there's no there's no people want official
comments on these people, and nobody is going to give
an official comment on these people. It's here, we see
the story. It adds to our personal belief that things
are weird, and but we're not going to get a
comment out of government.

Speaker 8 (01:23:32):
Then I'm glad they're coming out. I'm glad they're telling
the story.

Speaker 4 (01:23:35):
I'm glad they feel more patriotic or better about it.
But I don't think it's accomplishing that much.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Now we need some real evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Now do you think then, as we will continue this
topic into the next half hour, but do you think
the days of congressional hearings are worth it anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
Not unless that can produce some actual evidence that is
titillating outside of a skiff. Outside of the skiff, I
don't want to hear we heard all sorts of neat
stuff in the skiff, but I can't talk about it. No,
I want stuff they can talk. Look, they is absolutely
zero that I believe about. We can't show you any

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evidence because it'll reveal stuff from pictures of craft that
were taking sixty seventy eighty years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
I'm sorry, Dave. They can release those hold up hold
out side, Bob. We're going to break the top twenty
five or top fifteen Stories of twenty twenty five continues.
Right after this, you will listening Space Don't for you
with your host Dave Scott. So what happened to your

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internet there, Bobby?

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Just don't it's just off the air, I guess is
in the middle of the night. So Extinity decided to
do maintenance and just turned.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
It off, right. Oh, not very nice of them. No,
it's not very nice at all.

Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
I'm gonna look and see if I gotta thing from Externity.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Let me look.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Oh that's not very nice. We need your pretty face
on the camera. Punnis. You're nineteen eighty one. Welcome to us,

(01:25:55):
to our chat, guys. I will try to get to
questions at hour three. I want to get through the
top fifteen and we're about halfway through right now, so
going from number seven to number eight kind of go

(01:26:18):
from there. Woo poo. How you doing? Von Patrick? I
always love it when you're here, my friend, always love
it when you're here.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
Your home internet is offline due to an out is
being fixed in your area.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Well that's nice. Any timeline.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
I'm looking at the autist details now estimated time is
after your show is off the air.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Oh nice, nice, oh, they could have forewarned us.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Well, I don't have enough bandwidth it on my phone.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
That's fine, we'll just continue with the phone called Bob.
It still was.

Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
It was a crash at exactly the time I left,
which was one oh three am, and it won't be
back until after three am, so you'll be off.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
The air right Well, Mikey, thank you for that great
super chat. Greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
I got the neatest soundbox microphones well, with all sorts
of features.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
And noises, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
I can't wait to get it on the air and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Go go back on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
That'll sound sexy.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Oh man, tears and you know other other nasty noises
and other things. Reverb effect also, and it's really slick
and really cheap.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
I can hold on, let me just try something he
or I can uh, I can now do sound effects
that I bored here, that's something I want. Let's go
here so that way I sound different. Yeah, yep, yep,

(01:28:35):
hold on, there's a good one here.

Speaker 9 (01:28:37):
I can sound like a like an elf or a nome.
Imagine that. M hm, speak away science, Bob, you can
sound like me too?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Me? Hello?

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
What else?

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
This one?

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
I think this one's like hell, h just remember it's
going on over the air.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Can the phone?

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
I know you cannot. But if I do this one,
I forgot what this one? This is like hollow? Yeah,
all right, I've turned off the fun for right now here.
When you swear, Bob, I'll just give you a couple
of these uh no Jay truth secrets in my mixing board.

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That does it, all right? Thank you tonight to Little mikey,
Von Patrick, Pam Walter, Candice and truck Or Andrew for
the great super chats. We love you guys. Thank you
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(01:30:05):
Here we go, Bob. We're into the second half of

(01:30:28):
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doctor Bob McGuire. We call him Science Bob around these parts.
He comes in to talk about all things UFO and Bob.
We love having you here.

Speaker 8 (01:31:24):
I'm happy to be with you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
I'm sorry I have the Internet honors, but we seem
to be doing okay on the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
We're gonna be doing this just fine. And right before
the break, we were talking about whistleblowers. So this year
we learned names like Jeffrey Nucitelli, Chief Alejandro Wiggins, Joel Spielberger,
and of course Dylan Borland, who we talked about earlier
on in the show. So just you're Matthew and Matthew

(01:31:51):
Brown and Matthew Brown as well. Absolutely your thoughts on
these former military people coming on out to talking about
this subject.

Speaker 8 (01:32:02):
I think it's great.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
I mean, these people served our country, they served us faithfully,
they had honorable discharges.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
I trust every word they.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Say Is it worth, though, for them to come out,
or whistleblowers in general to come out anymore? I do
not personally think so, oh, come.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
But that's just one person. That's just one person's opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Why do you state that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
Because we're not moving the ball forward by them doing it,
and they are subjecting themselves to ridicule. If it helps
them feel better, that's great. If it harms them and
their families, I think they shouldn't because it's not moving
the ball forward.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
What would move the ball forward.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
Real evidence, some real evidence, and we have real evidence
that can be released because it does not reveal any
current capabilities. Because these are videos and photos, they're high
quality that were taken fifty years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
What would you like to see released if you had control,
what would you ask for?

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
I'd ask for a camera to be taken into.

Speaker 8 (01:33:30):
A place with a craft that's hovering off.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
The ground and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:36):
Told about the non human intelligences.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
We know about.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
One of the complaints from many in the UFO community,
and I've personally taken heat for this, Bob, as you
know because you and I have talked about it, is
the fact that many UFO podcasts, YouTube channels, radio shows
have not been given access to a lot of these whistleblowers.

(01:34:07):
I turn this into a little bit of a caveat.
Not trying to whine or complain here, but there is
a movement out there that is keeping these people from
talking publicly except for maybe a select handful. It's like
they are trying to control the narrative on who they
could speak to and who they can't. You're on the
inside with a lot of this. You've heard of this

(01:34:30):
happening before. What is your thoughts on these people coming
out and then not having the the ability to talk
publicly about this?

Speaker 8 (01:34:41):
Well, so all this is all?

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
So what happened is these groups that are trying to
control disclosure. They're providing these people with the lawyers, they're
paying the money for them, and so they're beholden to
them as if they don't want to lose that legal
report and other advocacy on their behalf, including help supplement

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their income.

Speaker 8 (01:35:07):
While they're looking for another job when they.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
No longer have their old one.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
Because they're out talking, they can't do anything. These groups
don't want. They have a control mechanism on it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
And it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
That's three one of the reasons I think stay in
your job while you're helping your family.

Speaker 8 (01:35:24):
Because right now, nothing will come with.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
You coming out except you and your family will be armed.
That's my personal opinion. I'm just giving you my opinion.

Speaker 8 (01:35:34):
I don't think it's worth it until there's and because.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
We know for a fact, we know for a fact
that people have gone in and talked to Arrows. They
have receipts proving they did it, and Arrow goes, Huh.

Speaker 8 (01:35:49):
We can't find your interview and know have a clue.
We don't think you even came in.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
I mean, dude, that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Do you think director Kuselowski is doing as much damage
like that as doctor Sean Kirkpatrick did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
No. I believe that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
Jean Kirkpatrick's proactive and the new guy is doing what
Susan Goff tells.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
All right, let's move on to topic number eight of
the top UFO stories of twenty twenty five, and that
is restoring public trust. In the congressional hearings, many people,
whether it was Annapolina, Luna, Nancy Mace, tim Bershett and others,
really talked about the fact that we have to keep

(01:36:39):
the public informed. We have to bring this this topic forward.
It's way too important. They talked about whistleblower protection, dataf
classifications or declassifications of UFOs, at UAPs, accountability for Pentagon offices,
handling UAP investigations, so basically giving a lot of shots

(01:37:01):
at the AERO program. The hearing signal long term oversight
is now underway. Your thoughts on this, well, I.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
Mean large blocks of data that come from multiple agencies
are now in the national archives.

Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
So that part is being.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
Obeyed. There are things that are so the way the
secrets are kept is stuck as being owned and handled
by private entities.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
And so even if.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
The government is in possession of a record, it's not
a federal record. It has proprietary information stamped on it,
and they do not have the ability to release it
without permission of the private entity. So much of the
data that you and I want to see, we can't

(01:38:01):
beat it out of the government because its ownership is
outside of the government. And until that's solved.

Speaker 8 (01:38:08):
So this is what Carl Nell and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
Others were trying to do with this EMINOL domain was
in this practice, and that was a sledgehamer to do it,
and it failed because all the big time contractors brought.

Speaker 8 (01:38:22):
All their their representatives come in and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
They went up and jaw boned and twisted arms until
the secrets were kept.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
So do you believe then that this transparency that has
been a focal point for many people in the UFO
community because it hadn't been met. It seemed like we
were hitting more roadblocks. Do you see people like Nancy
Mace and Timbershet and others getting their way and trying
to actually bring transparency to this subject in a near

(01:39:00):
impossible task.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
They are doing yeoman work.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
They're doing hard work.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
They're keeping it front and center because they don't like
being lied to like anybody else's. They're citizens.

Speaker 8 (01:39:15):
They don't like being lied to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
I don't blame me.

Speaker 8 (01:39:17):
So they want stuff to come out.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
Because they too have seen stuff been told about stuff
that from people they trust, and so forth and so on,
and they're tired of the secrecy and these secrets are
a cancer on the body of trust between government and
its people.

Speaker 8 (01:39:40):
Trust is gone.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
We have to start acting in ways that will restore.

Speaker 8 (01:39:45):
Trust to be effective.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Okay, So how do they get that transparency because everything
seems to still have to go through a skiff and
other types of top secret type of clearances.

Speaker 4 (01:39:58):
They need to man date from the president's level what
is and is not classified. And the president with the
stroke of a pen could declassify.

Speaker 8 (01:40:12):
The things I've been telling you about.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
Which were videos and radar and pictures, et cetera from
fifty or sixty years ago. There is no reason that
stuff should be kept secret.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
No, I would agree with you on that. You know
that it needs to be a little bit more open minded,
shall we say, regarding this, But I mean, that just
seems so far away. I don't mean to sound negative
on it, Bob, but it just seems so far away
and unattainable.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Except Look, my opinion is Trump will not come out
and say anything unless he can also bring something with him.
I think he knows he's got to bring something with
him or just put on a show and delay it
like everybody else, which is what.

Speaker 8 (01:41:05):
I think will happen.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
But I hope won't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
I hope he really does want to be either disclosure president,
and if Don Junior has a way.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
He will be.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Yeah. Don Junior really seems to have a love for
this subject. He really seems to want to do that. Okay,
let's move on to number nine, and this is one
that we could probably spend a three hour show on,
and that is the absolute public firing squad that Arrow took,

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coming under huge public scrutiny, political scrutiny, including members of
Congress basically calling the platform an absolute embarrassment to the subject.
And a lot of that falls on the former director,
doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, who on a couple of cases was was,
you know, caught not really telling the truth, Bob, you know,

(01:42:02):
including a conversation that him and Brandon Fugel, the owner
of Skinwalker Ranch, had publicly basically Fugal arguing with fitz
or Kirkpatrick. Pardon me when Kirkpatrick denied ever having public
conversation or private conversations about Skinwalker Ranch while the director

(01:42:25):
of Arrow and Fugal calling his bluff showing him a
photo that was taken inside the meeting room in Washington,
d C. With Kirkpatrick present, and it was the.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Thing I want to remind people about that photograph is
look at it closely, Look at where Kirkpatrick is looking,
and look how angry he is that Cameron Linds is
pointed at him.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean, and yet the fact that he
still tried to deny after the photograph came out. It
really was a bad look for Arrow, wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
It was a bad book for Arrow. But the worst
look for Arrow is Jill brand and Joni Ernst sitting
in the Senate and him sitting there testifying and lying
to their face that that has to be devastating.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Bob going to detail about that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
Has lost us with Congress, and Tim Zillis didn't help.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Go into detail about what happened there with jillibrand.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Kirkpatrick was asked questions and he misrepresented things that we
knew were different. He just flat told her and Joe
and Earth Senator Ernst lies.

Speaker 8 (01:43:50):
He lied.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
How does he still have a job?

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
He was what what his deal was was in the
cooks and in the books before he ever took this job,
and that he's down. He's now working for a private
entity which is operated by Lattel for the Department of
Energy in oak Ridge. Oakridge National Labs is a private

(01:44:23):
corporation operated by another private corporation on behalf of the
Department of Energy. So he's not a government employee now.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
But could he have not gone or been accused or
been taken to court for perjuring himself yeah, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
Gotta tell you what, Yes, theoretically, yet it's almost never done.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
I get you there, I get you there. But it
seems to have lost a lot of trust under you know,
because of the shift from doctor Shanker Patrick to doctor
John Koslowski, who is a new head of Arrow, said
to be quite the mathematician, very smart gentlemen when it
comes to engineering and science and physics and mathematics. I mean,

(01:45:16):
what do you know about John Koslowski and how does
he rebuild Arrow or can he?

Speaker 8 (01:45:25):
Until they are allowed to make different And so they're
clearing cases.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
They're definitely clearing cases. The only ones they put out
there are the cases they clear and call them prosaic.
Until they have what they call ironclad evidence of the unknown,
they will never bring those out because they're unknown. In
other words, they have predetermined a perfect filter. They can't

(01:45:55):
put anything out that they cannot explain. So the things
that we know are nominalists will never come out from there.

Speaker 8 (01:46:02):
I'm they're telling you that they putting them.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
They're putting low rev kind of stuff out there.

Speaker 8 (01:46:09):
And even Nick West figured out one of them was
an airplane. And I believe Mick West was right.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
I mean, it's just a damn joked.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Do you think in the end we will see in
twenty twenty six maybe the demise of ARROW and another
group recreated. I mean we've had you know, a TIP,
We've had OSAPP, We've had uap TF, we have had
numerous groups. I think there was what was the other one, AO, M, S,

(01:46:46):
I G or something like that. You know, it was
absolutely ridiculous name. I mean, do you see another acronym
coming if they decide to shut down ARROW?

Speaker 8 (01:46:59):
Not not any.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
But look, I believe that AEROW has a job to
do and they are performing a service that's actually needed,
which is giving the data that's coming from military people
and officers of the government in the field a place
to send stuff that can be collated and used in

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any way.

Speaker 8 (01:47:27):
Possible, whether it's secret or not.

Speaker 2 (01:47:30):
So I think that was needed.

Speaker 8 (01:47:33):
Well, does it really look bad.

Speaker 4 (01:47:36):
For Navy and Air Force to have stuff happen and
then file no reports, especially if it was something that
could have been dangerous to personnel or materials.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
For people who don't understand the role of the All
Domain Anomaly Resolution Office otherwise known as ARROW, who controls ARROW?
And is this an issue?

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
It is an.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
Issue because a rule was put out that no one
in Arrow can say anything that is not approved by.

Speaker 8 (01:48:20):
The press officer. Susan GoF.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
Susan Goff. Susan Goff explain who she is.

Speaker 4 (01:48:32):
She is the press public relations officer for the Secretary
of Defense.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
She has a lot of pull with what comes out
of the Pentagon. Is what you're saying, great power? What
is her loathing or her covering of this subject?

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
I think it's bothersome that they don't want to talk
about it and they don't want to have to add
answer NonStop questions about it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
So they're aggravated. Is it that s Is it that simple, Bob?
Or is it that talking UFOs could lead to talking
about future technologies that companies like Lockheed Martin or Boeing
or other companies are working on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
All of that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
And more so the constant nagging, constant fia that really
is making them angry. But one of the things they
don't want to do is ruined future tech.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
Right, Okay, So if they are all worried about that,
why why is she having such an issue over the
last number of years. I mean, you look at it.
Even you know there was rumor allegedly that led by her.
They were even trying to eliminate the history and the

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records of Louellisondo.

Speaker 10 (01:50:10):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
No, they did try that, and legal counsel got it fixed.
They tried to erase them. It seems like that this
is this is another one of those things that's a
crime and they still have their job.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Oh, I hear you. I hear you. They do. I
totally hear you that they do. You know, does she
hate this subject or is it a matter of trying
to to protect the nation.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
I think it's partially. She believes she's protecting the nation.
She's also protecting the Secretary of Defense and they joint
she's the staff. She's protecting them in a way she feels,
which is what a public relations officer does is protect
their bosses.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Very true. We got three minutes to go before we
got to go to break. At the top of the hour,
Doctor Bob Maguire aka Science Bob is here for Science
Bob and Friends. Bob, you know what, we're right in
between here. Let's get a quick question in from our audience,
and we're going to start off within the studio. Who
is asking Science Bob, do you have any predictions for

(01:51:31):
twenty twenty six, He says, mine is mice that Mount
Saint Helens will start smoldering, but not erupt. What is
your prediction for twenty twenty six Science Bob?

Speaker 4 (01:51:42):
That we will see more comments, that people will see
more UFOs, That there will be lots more instrumentation with
fancy programs attached going out and helping people get data
with these UFOs, the UAP, and it's just gonna there's

(01:52:04):
a there's a slow boil happening and it's.

Speaker 8 (01:52:08):
Gonna reach this boiling point sooner or later.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
But the technology available with the people that are involved,
it's just more and more quality days that's going to
come out. It's just gonna be hard to keep this SAP.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
It's gonna be hard. My prediction for twenty twenty six
in our field will be that the final nail in
the disclosure coffin is going to be sealed shut. There's
going to be people who still believe that it is
going to happen, but I think something happens probably mid

(01:52:44):
year going into fall, that will the government will finally
say we've had enough of this topic. We aren't doing
it anymore. We're done playing the UFO game. That's what
I think is going to happen. Am I going to
be right here?

Speaker 8 (01:52:59):
If the President Congress list.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
Called arrow Arrow is a wall passed by Congress and signed.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
By the President, well, I still think they're going to
be discouraging cases. And I'll even go one further, Bob,
because we only got about forty five seconds here, I'll
get your opinion on this. I think we're going to
see another influx of UFO slash UAP companies forming trying

(01:53:32):
to get their hands on the technologies, saying that they're
the ones with answers on how to track them on
radar units and madar and everything like that. Your thoughts,
I have five offers.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
That's that's the answer to your question.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
And there's only going to be more coming, not just
for you, but for many people out there, from companies
and names you've never heard of. They are going to
be coming because everybody wants a piece of the pie
when it comes to this potential technological advancement. That is
for sure, Science Bob and Friends is through two hours.

(01:54:09):
We're going to continue with our three Science Bob is
sticking with us as we get to number ten on
our list of the top fifteen stories of twenty twenty five.
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

(01:54:40):
All Right, Science Bob and I are going to take
a quick break. We'll be right back. Everybody.

Speaker 10 (01:54:45):
You're right back, USA, USA, USA, USA.

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Yeah, all right, we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Hey, Science Bob said, Internet's back up.

Speaker 10 (01:59:44):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
A Science Bob, looks like your internet's back up again.

Speaker 11 (02:00:00):
Okay, all right, let me hanging out the phone.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
Okay, all right, you got a Science Bob. Yeah, all right, perfect,
Let me just get set up here, all right. You
seemed to be in play here, all right. Thank you

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Speaker 10 (02:01:07):
Here we go.

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Speaker 5 (02:02:22):
You're swamp Dweller, Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radio's Swamp.
I'm swamp Dweller, and tonight I'm going to take you
on a mystic journey of the Uno, sharing tales of monsters, legends,
and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:37):
Welcome to the space Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 5 (02:02:40):
I'm an eighteen year old female who now lives with
my fiance. When we first started dating, he had just
moved to Maryland from Seattle, so his house was new
to him. A few weeks after we started seeing each other,
he told me he was hearing tapping noises on his
bedroom wall. At least once a week he would report
hearing footsteps in the hallway or tapping on the wall.

(02:03:02):
Once I started sleeping over at his place, the activity
seemingly increased. It began with hearing footsteps out in the hallway,
just to get an idea of how disturbing this is.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
The hallway outside his.

Speaker 5 (02:03:13):
Room is tile, and we would hear bare feet slapping
on the tile when we knew no one else was
in the house. Late one night, I went to the
bathroom down the hall. I didn't bother to turn the
hall light on, so I didn't find it strange when
I saw a large black shadow in front of the
laundry room. I assumed that it was just the drying
rack and paid no attention. About an hour later, I

(02:03:33):
went to the bathroom again, only to see that the
shadow was gone. I asked my fiance if he had
gotten up to move the drying rack, to which he
looked confused and asked what drying rack. I told him
when I had gone to the bathroom that I had
seen a shadow in front of the laundry room, and
he turned white. He assured me that he hadn't even
done laundry that day. This shadow figure prompted me to

(02:03:54):
look at my fiant's address on a website called died
inhouse dot Com revealed that a man had died in
the house in twenty ten, who I will just call
Robert to protect his family's privacy. So, as a joke,
whenever something would bump in the night, began to call
out Robert knock it off. However, whatever was in the

(02:04:15):
house did not like being called Robert because the activities
started to get scary after we began to use his name.
Instead of quiet footsteps we heard running down the stairs
to our bedroom, doors to closets started to open, lights
would turn themselves on and off, and my fiance's dogs
began to growl at night. This was incredibly unsettling because

(02:04:35):
these dogs never barked at anything besides other dogs and
were so affectionate. One horrifying experience was when I was
awake late at night while my fiance was already asleep.
The hall light was on and was shining underneath the door.
I heard the footsteps coming down the stairs into my horror.
I also saw two shadows appear underneath the doors if
someone was standing in front of it. The shadow eventually

(02:04:58):
moved away, just before the hall light clicked off by itself.
The breaking point came one night when I was staying
at my own house and my fiance and I had
fallen asleep on FaceTime. Around three in the morning, A
horrible screeching or a growling sound woke me up. This
sound was so loud it hurt my ears. I thought
it was my speaker next to my bed malfunctioning, so

(02:05:18):
I ripped the power cord out. However, it didn't stop,
and then I realized it was coming from my phone,
which was still on FaceTime. I turned my volume down,
but the sound was still unbearable, so I figured it
must be some sort of glitch and hung up the
video call and went back to sleep. The following day,
my fiance called me in a panic, telling me that
he had woken up at three in the morning hearing
this horrible screeching sound, only he couldn't move. It was

(02:05:42):
like he was stuck in some sort of sleep paralysis.
He heard the ding of the FaceTime call ending while
the screeching continued. He said it was so loud it
felt like it was inside his skull. While in his
sleep paralysis, he saw hooded figures around his room whispering.
I felt sick and told him the sound had woken
me up too, But I was incredibly freaked out since
it continued in his room even after I ended the call.

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After this incident, my fiance and his mother saged the
entire house. After the sage, the activity came to a
screeching halt. Now we occasionally hear footsteps, but nothing nearly
as terrifying as before. We're about to move to a
new house, and I just hope there aren't any evil
spirits in this house that we will have to deal with.

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
Thank you swamp Dweller for another creepy story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to YouTube.
Type in swamp Dweller hit subscribe ring that bell. As
we are here seven days a week listening to swampy.
You can listen anytime you want.

Speaker 5 (02:06:38):
It.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
Is that good? All right? We're gonna continue on. Normally
we go to Katie Page at this time, but she
is ill tonight, So Science Bob is sticking around for
hour three, where we're going to continue on with number
ten in our Top fifteen UFO Stories of twenty twenty five.
And Bob, I know you're gonna love this topic here

(02:06:59):
because we're going to get into the brand new Dan
Farri film documentary called The Age of Disclosure. This just
came out a few weeks ago, thirty four insiders coming
out recorded saying that the United States is in possession
of crash retrievals, non human biological materials, decades of compartmentalized secrecy,

(02:07:22):
and of course presidential knowledge dating back to George Bush Senior.
Your thoughts on all of.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
This, So there were some pretty astounding revelations there. And
I my personal opinion, and this is from personal interaction
and personal working with kind of situation. Eric Davis is

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not capable of lying. Now, I just let I just
let something out in case you were listening. So and
he's not capable of lying. And he said that George
Herbert Walker Bush told him about the non human intelligence
and the crash retrieval programs. That was a major revelation.

(02:08:12):
And my opinion is she's such a squeaky clean guy
that had to have gotten dops for approval or he
wouldn't have said it. So that was major and how
long and deeply involved an actual the controlling character that

(02:08:36):
Jay Stratton turned out to be. That was revelatory. So
and the thing that I think a man in the
street saw that maybe some of us didn't see because
we're too near it and we knew these people. Think
about how many senior level people from US government, big

(02:09:00):
time people came out and talked in that program. That
had a bigger impact on the American people than I
thought it would. And so overall, you and I wanted
to see craft and bodies, but the American people got
to see something they haven't seen before, and that's high
ranking people telling them this stuff is real and we

(02:09:21):
need to do something.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
A lot of people in the UFO community have been
supporting this, saying that there even though there isn't real
revelations in the subject, that there is a lot of
great information from people. But one complaint about this video
from those who are looking at it say there's not
a lot of evidence. It's a lot of voices telling

(02:09:47):
us what we already know that the United States government
is harboring alien craft, that they are harboring alien bodies.
You know, you could use whatever term ology you want,
NAHAI or UAP or whatever you want. Did this movie
push the ball forward a little bit?

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
My opinion is it did, even though I know a lot,
I felt it moved and I gave you some things
that I was surprised came out. So I was looking
for things that would move the public, given I knew
practically everything that was in it that move, and they
got to see really neat people and the crowd that

(02:10:32):
came out with me in Washington, where Tim Galdett was
the master of ceremonies since he was in it, that
was all positive, and I felt overall it was worth
the effort that went into it, and you could tell
that he was determined to mostly take seniors because people

(02:10:53):
that you and I know who have played a significant
role were flown to wherever California I think it was,
and interviewed for hours and days, and they wound up
on the cutting room floor. So Pharah put in an
amazing amount of effort, and it's well edited and presented,

(02:11:16):
and I think it's just overall positive. I think it's
moved Congress as much as it has anyone, now maybe
the President. I think it moved Congress and the President.
Let's see where that goes.

Speaker 1 (02:11:28):
Now. For the record, I have not seen it yet
because it hasn't been released yet on Amazon Canada, where
I am. One of the things that I have heard
from people is, you know what we have to get
out of this, this idea that we're still introducing people

(02:11:49):
to the subject. And I think it's wonderful that these
thirty four people came out and talked about this subject. Okay,
I think it's absolutely wonderful that we've we've had that. Okay.
I think anytime we have something that's bringing positivity to
the fact that we're not all a bunch of tinfoil

(02:12:09):
conspiracy theorists is a good thing. However, at some point,
to use an example here, if you're building Lego, you
have to be able to get past the first row,
and we seem to continually focus on the first row,
including still the the Nimits encounter videos. Okay, with Gimbal

(02:12:33):
Go Fast and tic Tac. You know, at some point
that we have to be able to take that second
step bop and I don't think we have yet because
we're still trying to worried about introducing this subject to people.

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
Well, so this is why I've worked really hard. I went,
why is this not making movement in the public. And
the reason it's not making movement into the public is
the appeal that people are making to have disclosure is
not what the public wants. It's what these people that

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are in leadership roles, political roles, military roles where they're patriots, etc.
And so forth, they are not. They're looking they're appealing
to those kinds of sentiments. So I am a long term,

(02:13:33):
fifty year believer in and adherent to the psychologist Abraham Maslow,
who determined that human behavior was in large part controlled
by what's called Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. We're down

(02:13:54):
at the base there's survival needs, food, water, shelter, and
above that is with a nice or home or whatever,
and all the way at the top caring about patriotism
and constitutionality. That's way at the top. You rarely get
above the bottom two rows if they are met. And

(02:14:14):
so people in this country and world are worried about
their lives down on the bottom two levels. Of Abraham
Maslow's hierarchy of needs. If disclosure can do something for them,
then they will get motivated. And that's the reason I
keep hearting on release the science and technology that would

(02:14:39):
make everyone lives better, not just the billionaires that want
to keep soaking us for money. And so that's what's good.
That is what's not being addressed in my opinion, and
what needs to be addressed.

Speaker 1 (02:14:55):
Do you think, then, with the excitement coming off of
the A the Disclosure, that this is a precursor to
what has been announced coming in June twenty twenty six,
which is Steven Spielberg's new movie on the disclosure movement.

Speaker 2 (02:15:15):
I think his movie will move things as far or
farther than Age of Disclosure. But again I could be wrong,
because I've been wrong before.

Speaker 1 (02:15:24):
Well, if it's anything like Close Encounters of the Third Kind,
I think it will have a lot of movement, and
it all depends on how it's portrayed. Because in nineteen's
what was it nineteen seventy eight when Close Encounters came
out some seventy six, seventy seven to seventy eight, and net.

Speaker 2 (02:15:43):
No, no, no, no, it was nineteen eighty, was it?

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
Nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
Yeah, because I took my brand new son to see
it in Province, Rhode Island, when I went to Brown
in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (02:15:55):
Well, let me just confirm this here.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
I could be wrong, but I think it was nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
It came out in November sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven. Okay, wrong, Okay,
So if this movie can have any sort of impact
like Close Encounters of the Third Kind by Spielberg, and
we know he loves this subject, never mind that it's
a moneymaker, but we know he loves this subject as well.

(02:16:28):
Do you think that it will garner more interest in
the disclosure movement?

Speaker 2 (02:16:36):
I hope so, but I don't know. I hope so,
but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
All right, let's move on to number eleven here on
the top fifteen stories of ufology. In twenty twenty five,
Senator Marco Rubio, coming off of the Age of Disclosure,
confirms UAP briefings involving nuclear zones. He states that these
classified briefings talked about incursions over restricted nuclear sites, sensor

(02:17:06):
data showing unclassified and unconventional signatures, repeated encounters with unknown
aerial craft. This becomes one of the strongest political endorsements
of the seriousness of the subject.

Speaker 2 (02:17:21):
So that again, please, I was a little bit of a.

Speaker 1 (02:17:23):
Dropout, Okay, Marco Rubio coming out confirming the briefings that
they have had about nuclear zones, including nuclear sites of
UFO incursions, that these classified briefings had talked about, unclassified,
unconventional signatures, repeated encounters with unknown aerial craft.

Speaker 2 (02:17:50):
So all those things that Mark Rubio can move the dime.
But I don't like what I'm hearing in the interviews
he's done the last few days, which is him and
Hawe and backtracking a little bit. He claimed he claimed
that the that the uh Verah edited selectively edited his interviews,

(02:18:16):
and Farah and others have disputed his statement. So that
is troubling to me, especially since he's both National Security
Advisor and Secretary of State. He's the most powerful person
in the White House circles outside of Trump. He's more
powerful than the Vice president because as a national security advisor,

(02:18:43):
he can run all sorts of things all over the
world at very high level, and so he's very very
powerful in that position. No one has been as powerful
as Rubio is since Henry Kissinger had both those Roles.
So I'm just telling you it's a very so I
want him to be more proactive, and I'm hoping internally

(02:19:06):
he is, because he made profound statements about what the
government knew, who knew it, who was talking to him,
and so forth, and he was didn't hold back. Now
he says to be holding back. So on, Rubio, i'ma
let me wait and see before I say much more.

Speaker 1 (02:19:26):
But isn't that the case, Bob, with a lot of
these politicians talking tough right before something happens and then
always backtracking. I mean, I recall Senator Jillibrand doing the
exact same thing, where she was talking tough that we're
going to bring disclosure forward. We got a movement that
we have to go to here and push forward. We're

(02:19:46):
being allied to by the military and the alphabet agencies,
and this isn't good for the American public. And then
after the hearings, she just kind of seemed to side
with everything that was being said that all of a sudden,
there was really nothing that was found in that first hearing,
so on and so forth. I mean, it was a
little disappointing.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
Yeah, well, I'm with you, I'm with you.

Speaker 10 (02:20:08):
Just this.

Speaker 2 (02:20:08):
We we got a hope and that's what we can do,
is we can hope. And I'm hopeful, but I am
not sanguine that it's going to go anywhere, but I'm hopeful.

Speaker 1 (02:20:24):
All Right, we got about three minutes before we have
to go to break. At the bottom of the hour,
Science Bob is here with the top twenty top UFO
stories of twenty twenty five, and Bob, we're going to
take an audience question here. This one coming from Jarence Carter,
who is asking, what's the point of SETI if the

(02:20:45):
government is covering up UFO information?

Speaker 2 (02:20:50):
Oh, well, that's yes. And my answer, which I sit there,
let me repeat it here, so because maybe you didn't
see it or ineligible care. SETI is not a government organization.
It is a private entity. It is a foundation and
an institute.

Speaker 4 (02:21:09):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:21:11):
Privately funded by donors, most of them wealthy, and it
gets zero dollars from the government. Because Senator William Proxmyer
way back when he gave out the Golden Fleece awards,
killed the internal SETI program and prohibited it from ever
being put back in the budget. And so so far

(02:21:32):
that has been the law of the land, so that
SETI Institute is completely privately funded and it is not
costing the taxpayers anything.

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
Now, let's sneak in one more question here. Let's got
a bad cop here, Bob. Why isn't your input to
skywatcher being utilized anymore? Did they implement any of your
insightful recommendations?

Speaker 2 (02:21:59):
I don't know. The answer to that is I don't know,
but what I so, just let me tell you the
response that I have had is to do those things
I knew I could do, but to do them for everyone.
So on my social media pages, people can see that

(02:22:20):
I have been uploading a steady, steady stream of code
packages that are gonna be utilized for people by anyone
to be able to look at the sky and say,
that's an airplane that's not a UA fee UFO, or

(02:22:40):
that's a satellite that's being illuminated by the sun that's
not a UFO, or it's an astronomical event like venus
or a comet or whatever that's not a UFO. So
I've been doing and if people look at the code,
they can see it's exceedingly complex, and it's done in
a presentation where basically, after you get it on a

(02:23:04):
little tiny Raspberry Pie. Anybody can use it because it
talks to a web browser and you can see what's
going on. So and I'm giving that code away, Dave.
I don't even want to think what I would get
paid to do all that code. And there's tens of
thousands of lines of code in three different repositories. And

(02:23:25):
the last one is major because it's a passive radar
so we can track the things through the sky. Now,
there are legal requirements on passive radar, and the point
I put up meets the legal requirements of not being

(02:23:46):
using a single wider than one hundred and seventy five
killer herds, using broadcasts only, and not private commercial or
military things, and not go working above two giga meets
all of the criteria not to be ite tar. I
not even need to be a license so I can
put it up on GitHub and give it away to everybody.

(02:24:06):
So all this work I'm doing, I'm putting it up
on GitHub, giving it away for what's hold and give
him I to licensees.

Speaker 1 (02:24:14):
Science, Bob and Friends continues with the final half hour
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Speaker 1 (02:24:44):
All right science, Bob, We're clear you did that.

Speaker 2 (02:24:48):
Well, what do I do well to ask the tough question?

Speaker 1 (02:24:52):
Well, hmm, okay, a job.

Speaker 2 (02:25:01):
I don't know. Hey, you're a Border'm not in mind it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:04):
Well, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:06):
And I told exactly the truth. I don't know what's
going on, but I'm moving.

Speaker 1 (02:25:11):
On, I know. Excuse me. I appreciate you hanging out

(02:25:47):
with us for for the full showed, buddy, and filling
in for Katie. I really do appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:53):
I don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:03):
How much snow do you have at home?

Speaker 2 (02:26:07):
It's melted? That was taken a couple of days ago. Yeah, yeah,
we had rain and it all melted.

Speaker 1 (02:26:23):
I've got about five to six inches in my backyard.

Speaker 2 (02:26:34):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And you would your you're you're
colder and less lie. Yeah, I believe. I believe it,
and I wish we had a little more, but it
is what it is. I like the season's day.

Speaker 1 (02:26:49):
I liked them me too, me too. I just wish
I could get back out in the forest right now.
I mean I can, you know, by doing the main
logging roads, but where I want to go, it's just
not conducive to vehicle travel right now. But if you

(02:27:18):
come up for Caribou Con, Bobby, I'm coming, then that's
going to be a good time. September eighteenth through twentieth
Caribou kan dot com. A's C A R I B
O O con dot com. Let me show you who

(02:27:39):
the speakers are for this year.

Speaker 2 (02:27:44):
Oh to be one.

Speaker 1 (02:27:51):
We have time, Yeah, we got time. Here we go,
all right, Caribou Coan dot com. Here are the speakers
so far? Where are we here? We click on that.
I don't know. I gotta talk to the grant. Cameron Kareem,

(02:28:16):
Leanne and Kelly from the Beyond the Haunting television show.
There's that guy, some radio guy. Nice Beard Merle will
be there. Samantha Moowett, Lee Strauss, r Keith Andrews, b
Arthur as In, Brent Thomas from the Paranormal Portal, Paisley

(02:28:38):
Town Numerologist, psychic reader, Christian McLeod from ACAPS, Courtney Marcusani,
she's coming down from Alaska. Jacob Brice. There we go.

(02:28:59):
That's a good list, Yes it is. That's a very
good list. Good mix of people there, cryptids, paranormal UFOs,
look at that list, great list. Get your tickets now,
VIP tickets.

Speaker 2 (02:29:17):
Somebody to talk seriously about Bigfoot?

Speaker 1 (02:29:20):
Yeah, well we're going to get into that a little bit.
What schedule caribou con dot com. Make sure you check
it on out. Get your VIP tickets now. That's right, Beno,
pretty faces all over the place, then, Dave, that's true.

(02:29:43):
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of twenty twenty five in the field of ufology. Science Bob,

(02:31:13):
thank you so much for doing this.

Speaker 2 (02:31:16):
Happy to be here, my friend.

Speaker 1 (02:31:18):
All right, let's go to another story. Here. Aviation Safety
Boards issue UAP pilot reporting protocols. The FAA responds to
arise in pilot encounters by creating standardized cockpit reporting, studying
near miss incidents, working with NASA on anomaly situation models.

(02:31:40):
As UAPs officially enter the aviation domain. Your thoughts, Science Bob.

Speaker 2 (02:31:49):
Look this, since Ryan Graves and those people started talking,
the aviation stuff is just not being taken into account of.
And the FAA has non stop records of things happening
that in fact are dangerous to flight safety and passengers

(02:32:11):
in personnel, and the stuff has to be taken care of.
And they've had a policy of not putting that stuff
out and throwing it in the trash, and now that's
ended under the new regulations. Look, we need to take
a look at all of this information from all of
these different sources, give it to scientists in a usable

(02:32:34):
form and let them do science with it so we
can figure out what's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:32:40):
Do you think then that there is a possibility of
maybe pushing this subject a little too far with this group.

Speaker 2 (02:32:53):
Well you have most any of these groups, The answer
is yes. But I hope there are enough control mechanisms
internally and enough external advisors and thoughtful people that it
won't go too far.

Speaker 1 (02:33:11):
Do you think though, that many pilots are going to
risk their careers on reporting this.

Speaker 2 (02:33:19):
That I'm happy to say has ended, in my opinion,
in the United States. So I don't know about other countries,
but I think in the United States they most they
they're I mean they're taking you know, things are different.
They're taking their cell phones out and taking pictures of UFOs,
telling who they are and putting them on the internet.

(02:33:41):
So things have changed.

Speaker 1 (02:33:44):
Is it where we need it to be though, because
I mean, you know, we do have the Dylan Borland
situation to bring that up once again where he did
the right thing and lost.

Speaker 2 (02:33:53):
Definitely not definitely not where we need to be. So
there is one entity that it's holding out that's got
to change their ways now, and that is the United
States Air Force. And I say that because you remember
the navies reporting stuff. They're seeing stuff, radar stuff and

(02:34:16):
so forth, and they see this stuff every day in
the training range, say off Virginia Coast. That's also a
training range for the people at Langley Air Force Base.
And they have much better radars and sensors than the
Navy does. And they're reporting nothing. So let's see one

(02:34:37):
is blind and one isn't. Come on, they're just not
reporting it and they're required to by law now and
they're just not doing it.

Speaker 1 (02:34:47):
All right, let's move on to the next topic. Okay,
USOS became a giant story. We touched on it a
little bit earlier in the show. But many people, many
experts in this field, are saying new shoreline sensor data
suggests unusual, high speed, unidentified trans medium objects moving under

(02:35:10):
the waters along the US coast. Defense analysts are warning
that these objects outpaced submarines. Many show no propulsion signatures.
Some even ascend into the air and take off into space.
Big story here, Bob.

Speaker 2 (02:35:26):
Big story, And no one is driving it more than
Richard Dolan. So Richard Dolan is on with Bryce Sable
now and in many other places talking about his work.
And man has Richard done some work. He's got two volumes.

(02:35:47):
I think it's two volumes of his three volumes of
a book on USOS. Hundreds of cases, lots of details
and people all to jump into the USO stuff. And
I really have an interest in trying to make some

(02:36:08):
progress in aiding those who will take autonomous vehicles and
record data on this stuff. Again, funding is the thing
that's needed. I I'm sorry. I think Tim Galadad is
making an effort.

Speaker 1 (02:36:28):
I had one person tell me that he's like, I
wouldn't even be looking for these in the sky. He
goes the ocean is where they allegedly are. And now
there's word Bob that they may have figured out where
some of these alleged bases are. Have you heard about that?

Speaker 2 (02:36:46):
Yes, As max matter of fact, Tim Guyadad has been
on newsnights and other places saying Moterey et cetera, there
is a canyon that has seen a lot of activity
and that people need to go there and look, yes there, yes, yes,
there's lots of places off the coast of California and

(02:37:09):
along the the the the geological formations where we should
go send sensors and look.

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
Why does all this seem to be having happening on
the West coast, and it seems so silent on the
East coast.

Speaker 2 (02:37:27):
It's not silent on the East coast. It's just a
different set of reporting going on.

Speaker 1 (02:37:37):
Okay, where where are we hearing these USO is on
the East coast because every story I hear seems to
be coming from the West coast.

Speaker 2 (02:37:47):
Yeah, it's Virginia all the way down to Florida. People
are seeing stuff. It's just not and off off the
coast of New Jersey quite a few. It's just not
very loud. I don't know why. I can't explain it.
I think there's hyper activity out on the West coast
because I think there's a very large based out there
for the NHI. I think it's a very large and

(02:38:10):
now that they come up and they're aggressive when people
come near them. They don't do anything, but they make
sure you see them. They are not shy out on
the West coast about showing up at night as a
bright light underwater. They're not shy.

Speaker 1 (02:38:26):
It is very similar to the Hollywood movie The Abyss.
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:38:31):
Indeed, don't you know that probably almost surely came because
somebody knew something. His name of being James Cameron.

Speaker 1 (02:38:41):
That movie still trips me out especially love that movie.

Speaker 2 (02:38:44):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (02:38:45):
Yeah, And I would highly suggest for anybody go on
Netflix or go on Amazon, find the movie and watch it.
It is I think one of the most dynamic movies.
And nobody ever thought it before that movie. You never
heard anybody talking about aliens in the water, Bob.

Speaker 2 (02:39:05):
Yeah, but I think people knew by then, James Cameron,
others knew about the story of the submarine that went
through the Indian Ocean and saw evidence on multiple sensors
of a large city on the bottom of the ocean,
Indian Ocean, on the ocean floor, way down where nobody's

(02:39:25):
been able to get to yet. So I think he
knew that and turned it into an excellent movie. I mean,
maybe that maybe those ships were out in the out
of the Indian Ocean. Maybe that's why he put them there. Anyway,
I think it's a great and Ed Harris puts on
a spectacular performance as Bud and what's her name Mastriani

(02:39:48):
puts on an excellent performance as the female scientists and
engineer that builds the submersed station that they were working in.
And it's us a great alien movie. It's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:40:04):
Let's get to a couple questions from our audience here
before we continue. We're going to get to hill Billy
Herb here. Science Bob, what can you tell us about
the technology behind Havana syndrome, purpose and effects? Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:40:20):
I think that it is a directed energy weapon. My
personal experience, which is I won't lie like my government does.
I have seen host countries in and unear our embassies
with microwave dishes and other things like that pointed inside

(02:40:41):
our compounds experimenting. So these are attacks on American diplomats
and an American personnel and so forth and so on,
and for whatever reason, we have decided not to talk
about it. I haven't worked on it. I was invited
to work on it by multiple entities in between twenty

(02:41:03):
twenty and twenty twenty two, and they put my clearance
in a vault. They wouldn't send it to anybody so
I could help. And now that I know, since I've looked,
is my clearance is fine. There's nothing wrong with it.
There's not a mark on it. And so they just
didn't want me working on Havana syndrome. And I'm not
happy about it. It's the thing people are some doing

(02:41:27):
to us. But I think I think, you know, I
think probably the United States has a weapon or to
itself and just doesn't want the argument brought up.

Speaker 1 (02:41:39):
Here's another question, this one from Matthew. Why do you
think Richard Dolan hasn't been called the Congress yet?

Speaker 2 (02:41:48):
No idea. So a lot of what those goes on
in Congress is people that have information directly about people
that are on the inside and so forth and so on.
So like George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel, they have been

(02:42:09):
arranging for whistleblowers to come and meet Sentence Select Committee
on Intelligence, House Select Committee, House Oversight Committee. They've been
arranging for these people to testify. And Richard, that's not
a thing he would do. He is writing books and
telling what his analysis says about things, and that's his role,

(02:42:31):
and he does a good job of it. I think
he would be would give terrific testimony, agree, But it's
not the kind of testimony I think they want.

Speaker 1 (02:42:43):
I can tell you this the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance, which
is put on by Dan Harrari and Steve Bassett. They
send out a list of top three people in certain
categories and when it came to and everybody who's part
of the Disclosure Alliance, like I am, we had a

(02:43:06):
vote or we're voting right now on who would be
the person or persons in the top three categories. But
there is one name. They said, please list one name
of someone of notes still living for a Lifetime Achievement
Award and boss. You know, I have had issues with
Richard Dolan in the past, you know, going back to

(02:43:28):
twenty nineteen. He isn't one of my favorite people. I
can tell you that, and I would love to interview
him again. I'd love to talk with him because I
didn't like the way things went down in Toronto. But
I voted for him for Lifetime Achievement I did.

Speaker 2 (02:43:47):
There you go. And he he wrote the first truly illuminous,
very complete, detailed analysis of UFOs and the national security
state of the United States, and it was brilliant and

(02:44:08):
it's required reading for anybody that cares about this field.
And now that we know that these things are in
the oceans, his USO books are going to be the same. Ken.
Richard Dolan was the first person that I ever heard
of in his monograph about it talk about the secret
space program that I now think is probably gathering evidence.

Speaker 1 (02:44:35):
Let's move on to another topic. Here in the top
fifteen stories of twenty twenty five, and we are at
number fifteen right now. Okay, so we can go a
couple of different places here, you know, we really can.

(02:44:57):
But sightings, Bob, are up right across the United States,
right across North America. Sightings and reports are up on UFOs,
and some sightings from different countries are up from like
maybe twenty thirty up into the hundreds, Bob, this topic

(02:45:18):
seems to be generating a lot of interest, more than
it ever has before, and people are now finding, due
to the popularity, that they can present their information to
research groups, whether it's ARROW, whether it's mofon NYCAP whatever else.

(02:45:41):
I'm not going to mention one of them because we
don't want people setting it there, and that's because it
gets right into government hands. So just your thoughts on
the fact that sighting reports are up.

Speaker 2 (02:45:57):
So I got to tell you the you know, remote viewers, experiencers,
et cetera, have NonStop been saying this would happen, and
it's kind of surprises me it is happening. I think
that the world's population is in upheaval and is in

(02:46:18):
some danger and so I think we're being monitored, et cetera.
And but the surveillance craft and surveillance activities are becoming pervasive.
You can see them everywhere, and is interactive and that's
happening everywhere, these orbits and stuff interacting with private people

(02:46:42):
that are just will say hey, we love you, will
you come let me see you and see you five
type things, and those who are who are being surveilled
because they're involved in some kind of activity that the
non human intelligences are interested in, like military activity, et cetera,
nuclear whatevers. And as just it's up and I we

(02:47:05):
need to know what to make of it, but our
officialdom doesn't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (02:47:13):
Well, here here's a little bit of an interesting statistic
in the world. The United Kingdom is number one. Their
percentage of reports went up eighty seven percent. Wow. The
United States is number two, going up forty two percent,
including in over two thousand reports in the first six

(02:47:37):
months of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:47:40):
I believe it.

Speaker 1 (02:47:42):
Greece is number three, Indonesia number four, Brazil is number five.
But Brazil seems to be a hotbed for you know,
these really angry aliens running through the trees.

Speaker 2 (02:47:57):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (02:47:58):
South Africa number six, Canada number seven. Most of the
reports in Canada, believe it or not, are not coming
from the areas within one hundred miles of the border,
because ninety percent of Canada's population lives within one hundred

(02:48:22):
miles of the Canada US border. Most of the reports
are coming from rural, sparse areas where there is not
a lot of flight traffic, where there isn't a large
population out in the woods playing with lights. Most of

(02:48:43):
the reports are coming from those darkened areas. It's amazing,
it is, it really is.

Speaker 2 (02:48:50):
So I was going to tell people something. People may
laugh at me, and you know, I don't care. I'm
going to tell you what I know to be a fact.
Courtney Brown and the far Side Institute predicted every number
you have just said for the last twelve months before
they occurred. There is something going on with Courtney Brown

(02:49:15):
and the Farside Institute and their predictions have been coming true,
and other remote viewing groups are making these true predictions.
The other thing that's going on now is the rise
in serious research being taken seriously and consciousness, non local

(02:49:40):
consciousness including side telepathy, teleponesis those kinds of things. The
rise and all of that is really amazing to me,
I mean really true professionals doing exceptional research. People just
need to take the time day to go look at

(02:50:00):
Dean Rayden's volume of papers is They're in the hundreds
of peer reviewed papers, first rate scientific work, leaving zeroed out.
Day's zeroed out about SI and non local consciousness very true.
It's just amazing how ignorant we are don't pay attention.

Speaker 1 (02:50:23):
Rounding out the top ten are Italy, Argentina, and France.

Speaker 2 (02:50:30):
Yep, I'll believe all of that.

Speaker 1 (02:50:32):
Yeah, and Russia and Mexico appear low in this specific
tracker list, though both historically have frequent citing claims, so
it is pretty interesting. On the fact that the world
is opening up and Science Bob, I want to say
a big thank you for you coming on in and

(02:50:52):
spending this time with us to go over the top
fifteen stories in ufology in twenty twenty five. I really
look forward to doing this all again with Science Bob
and friends in twenty twenty six as well.

Speaker 2 (02:51:07):
Thank you, my friend, well, thank you Dave, and you
know you my brother and I love you and all
that stuff, and I like doing this for the audience.
I enjoy it. It keeps me up too late, but
I don't care. Once a month it doesn't hurt and help.
Wish to everyone a happy holidays. Be good to yourself,
be good to your family, and be good to your friends.

(02:51:29):
Reach out and hug someone, reach out and help someone,
because take a look around, the world's not a very
happy place and we need to do what we can
to make it happier.

Speaker 1 (02:51:39):
That is very good advice at Science Bob. I look
forward to chatting with you before Christmas and then of
course into twenty twenty six. Science Bob and Friends. We'll
continue next year and hopefully we get a Science Bob
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