Dec. 4/25 - Secret Space & UFOs with Olav Phillips - Spaced Out Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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We're gonna get deep, deep, deep into the dark secrets. Tonight. Researcher, podcaster, author,

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and a man who wears a lot of plaid olive
phillips will be here momentarily to get into the dark
stuff of ufology. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
You notice how we use the words stuff there, You
know what I use the word stuff, I meaning some
serious stuff here. Then in our number three swamp dweller
will join us to kick things off. We're going to
follow that up with our good friend the Wizard. Yes,

(03:05):
the Wizard of UFOs, Josh Rutledge, will be here for
the UFO reports. So let's get into the fun stuff
right now. I'm looking forward to this. I hope you
are too. Olive Phillips is a veteran UFO and paranormal researcher, author,
and alternative history investigator known for digging into the edges
of reality where government secrecy, high strangeness, and unexplained aerospace

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technologies collide with decades of experience. Olive specializes in UFOs
secret space programs, deep state black projects, exotic propulsion, and
hidden history of human contact with non human intelligences. His
work connects hard to find documents, leaked intel, and forgotten
eyewitness testimony offered, offering a wider range of how much

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more is happening behind the scenes than most people ever realize.
As the founder of the Anomalies Network and a contributor
to major paranormal and conspiratorial platforms, all of has written
extensively on breakaway civilizations, lost technology, crypto terrestrials, and the
shadow groups that have influenced global events for generations. Yes,

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he is into the deep, He's into the dark, and
he's right here for you tonight. Ol of Phillips. It
is always a pleasure to have you on Spaced Out Radio.
How are you, my friend?

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Greetings and salutations? Boy that bio Wow, he sound exciting.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
You are an excited guy. I mean you wear different
colors of plaid each day.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
I do. I do. Actually, all my shirts are plaid.
I'm wearing green, green, and black today.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Oh good good, that's a good winter color. It really is.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
It's a little cold out here, so I have to
wear my jacket.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
For listeners who have never heard your story before, you
are somebody who is seen a number of UFOs. You've
worked in defense projects, and you also are one of
the biggest voices when it comes to the deep dark
side of ufolog secret space programs, and everything in between.

(05:16):
How did this come of age for you?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
You know, it's actually funny. I always like to think
that I'm I'm the guy. You've probably read my stuff
or heard me on a podcast or a radio show,
but you don't know who I am. So that's I
always take great, great solace in that. You know. It's
a funny story, and I actually I had to write

(05:41):
it down. It's in the intro to the re released
a book by Brad Steiger, Mysteries was it. It's like
Mysteries of Time and Space or something, I think, And
basically what by the way, you know brother Brad and Michuman.
But basically what happened is that I was I don't know,

(06:03):
I was like eight, eight years old. I was reading
to Choose your Own Adventure in my nice, snugly bed,
and I saw a light outside my window. I lived
on the second floor, and this light was hovering and
I couldn't figure out what it was. Scare the crap out.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Of me, so I hid.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
I mean, I did everything a kid's gonna do. I hid.
I wished it away, but it didn't leave. So eventually,
you know, I worked up the courage to run out
of the room across the hall to my parents room
and I got my dad and I told my dad.
I said, you know, you were in the air Force. Yeah,
you know you saw kinds of planes and helicopters and whatever. Yeah, okay,

(06:44):
you got to tell me what this thing is. And
I'm scared out of my mind. So my dad, being
a good dad, he says, you know, get in behind me,
and you know, get right behind me. I'm going to
go through first and I'll deal with whatever it is.
So he bum rushes the door and there's nothing there.
So I go to my elementary school the next day.
Back when elementary schools had libraries and librarians, and I

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asked the librarian and I said, hey, because you know,
when you're back then in the eighties, you know, the
librarian and a school, especially in elementary school, was less
a librarian more of like a gateway to information. And
so I said, hey, I saw something that I can't
figure out what it was. You know, I know what
an airplane is. I grew up on Air Force bass I.

(07:31):
You know, my whole family was in the Air Force.
My grandpa was in Strategic Air Command, my dad was
in the Air Force. Even my wife was in the
Air Force. My aunt married a guy who was in
the Air Force. And everybody's in the Air Force. So
I know airplanes. So she says, oh, okay, well, here's
the Dewey decimal number. Teachable moment so I go over.
I look up the Dewey decimal number. It's books about airplanes.

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And so I walked back to her. I said, look,
that's not what I want, any of the weird stuff.
This is not an airplane, right, And she's like, oh,
you want one of those books. So she gives me
a different Duey decimal number. I could still walk to
that bookshelf and get the book, like, I remember that clearly.

(08:14):
So I go get the book I got, like I
got the Heinech the Heinech book. I got one of
Belly's books. I think it was Messengers of Deception and
I have Mysteries of Time and Space by Brad Steiger.
And so I tried to read the Heineck book. It
was too dense. V Lai's book was too confusing because

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for an eight year old, you know, it's it's about
metaphor and symbolism, and you know, I just I just
couldn't rationalize it. And so I started reading the other
book by Brad Steiger. And Brad Steiger's book opened up
the world for me. There were time shifts, UFOs, cryptids.

(08:56):
I mean, it was about every ultra terrestrial fourteen thing
that you can imagine and it just blew my mind
and that kind of started me on the back.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
That is incredible. And and the fact that you had
that sighting okay as a youngster, and that it affected
you that deeply. It's been a passion for the last
you know, forty plus years since then, all of that
that you have been searching and seeking answers, only to
find more roadblocks than actual answers to what we know?

(09:30):
How did you get down the rabbit hole of looking
into all of the darker side of technology?

Speaker 4 (09:38):
You know, It's funny. When I started out for a
very long time, you know, I was a rampant believer
that you know, every kind of weird light in the
sky's aliens. And over time I saw more and more
and it's, uh, you know, you just kind of you

(10:01):
kind of get there after a while. I mean, if
you're if you're really reasonable about it and your rational
about it, you know, you start to realize, Okay, there
are these other kinds of aircraft, you know, like things
with Paul stet Nation engines, aerospike engines, and you know, uh,
you just you you find it. And then the deeper

(10:21):
you go, the more you start to hear about the weird,
the truly weird stuff, the darker stuff. You know, it's
it's one thing like you It's it's kind of like
UFOs are the gateway drug. And then you you know,
eventually you get to the cattle mutilations and you're like, oh,
this is interesting. And then off the cattle mutilations. You know,

(10:42):
when you read enough of that crap, then you you
get to the human mutilations, right or if you look
into UFOs enough, you start to realize that some of
these are not alien. They must be something else. And
then you start trying to figure out what it is.
And you know, if if you're reasonable and rational about it,
when you hit that that fork where you can say, okay,

(11:04):
well I can't explain any of it. It must be
aliens or you know, it could be human. Well, you know,
you start to look in the actual aerospace literature, You
start to look in the Jans Defense weeklies of the
you know, and you start to look at the actual
documentation and try to understand it. I think a lot
of people they skim the surface and they say, okay, well,

(11:27):
you know I watched the tic TAC video and that's
got to be aliens. So well, maybe not. I mean
it's about having an open mind. Truly, I have an
open mind. I'm not here to tell you exactly what
it is. I'm only here to tell you what I
think it is. And I try to use Oakham's razor,
which is as simplest answer is probably the right one.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
What was your first find? What was your first deep
dive into the secret space program or projects like that?

Speaker 4 (11:58):
It was Alternative three. That's what I actually started to
write the book about. Okay, the original.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Book explained to people what Alternative three is.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
So it was a it was a TV show that
was aired on April first in England, well, it was
supposed to be aired on April first in England about
it was basically a doomsday show that you know. These
investigative reporters were started out trying to figure out what
the brain drain was in England in the seventies, and

(12:29):
it was made in the seventy seven and they realized
that these all these scientists were actually disappearing, and they
were trying to explain why they were disappearing, and eventually
they came to the realization that it was they were
being shifted off world to Mars and so the first
time I watched it, I was at a I don't

(12:50):
I think it was at like a like a sci
fi convention or maybe like a like a Dungeons and
Dragons convention when I was a kid, and I watched
a twenty thousand generation VHS copy because you know, you
couldn't get a real copy of this thing. The masters
were destroyed. The only known master reel, because it was

(13:10):
shot on sixteen millimeter, the only master reel that still
exists is in the possession of the guy who actually
filmed it, the guy who directed it. And you know,
at the time I watched it, like I didn't know
who any of these people were. Like, the soundtrack was
done by Brian Eno, you know, if you know, if
you know electronica, Brian Eno is like one of the

(13:33):
original pioneers of electronica. Well he did a soundtrack for it,
you know. David Ambrose, the guy who wrote it. You know,
he went on to do some very popular stuff in Europe.
But anyway, it was so it was shown it was
shown after April first because of I think there was
like a like a strike, and so they showed it later.

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And when they showed it, it scared the crap out
of people so bad that in Britain it's actually illegal
to show it. In fact, in most of Europe you
can't actually air it. The only place in the world
you can actually show it on television is in Japan.
And the guy that ran NBC Drama at the time

(14:17):
in seventy seven was in England and he watched the
airing and he was like, this is great. This is great.
So he goes back and tries to option it to
show it in America, and standards and practices, which is
basically the censors told him that it was impossible to
show it because it was too scary, it was too realistic.
And so the first time I watched it, I thought

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it was crap. I thought it was utter crap. The
production quality was mediocre, you know, it was just it
was just unbelievable. And so the more times I watched
it out of curiosity, the more it started to make sense.
And then eventually I came to believe. After reading a
quote from Leslie Watkins, who wrote the book Version based

(15:01):
on the show, you know, he said that he had
moved to New Zealand and when he got his container
of stuff from Australia. Somebody had gone through it and
taken all his actual research about it, because he had
done all his research and he had come to believe
that it was absolutely real, and so somebody had gone
through and taken all his research out, and you know,

(15:22):
it just it just made me believe that it's real
even more. And so what it is is that if
you watch Alternative three, it's a TV show period, the
people in it are actors. In fact, one of the
guys who plays I forget his name right now on
the show, but he's basically buzz Aldrin. And that actor

(15:45):
was actually in a whole bunch of science fiction TV
shows in the seventies, including UFO, which was a pretty
popular show back then. And you know, you recognize all
the actors, but the template of it is real. And
I actually asked the guy who directed it. The last

(16:05):
I think four minutes supposedly show a man landing on
Mars by a Russian a Soviet module and they see
something moving around in the dirt, and I asked him
how he actually did it, and he said that he
filled these tables with red dirt and they made this

(16:27):
fake sky and he drilled a hole through the bottom
of one of the tables. He kind of ran his
finger around inside to make something move, and that sounded preposterous.
So I talked to a couple. I have a friend
who you know, he's real big in the horror world,
and he's a horror host and named mister Lobo, and

(16:49):
I asked him if he knew anybody who did practical effects,
and so he got me a guy who did practical
little effects and I showed him the footage and he's like,
that guy's lying. There's no way that that's how they
did it. It's totally BS. So what I came to
realize there was the more I looked into it, the

(17:10):
more I realized that it's a structure, like it's a model.
Everything in it is true, and I was able to
verify that it's true, except you know, the landing on
Mars thing. I can't prove that, but there's evidence of it.
But everything else in the movie is true. All the
different alternatives are all real. So that's how I really

(17:33):
That was the first real discovery I made was that
Alternative three is real and I was able to prove it.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
How are you able to prove it? Like, is there paperwork.
Is there a paper trail? What leads you to it?

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Well, so I went through each alternative I started with
before the So there's a part where the main investigative,
the host, is walking with this guy, Professor Ballantine, you know,
through a university it doesn't exist, and he's basically confronting
him about alternative three. And the guy says, you know,

(18:11):
it all started it at the American Chemical Society Media
in nineteen fifty seven, you know, where they released a
report that showed that, you know, carbon dioxide was actually
running out of control and that we weren't processing it
fast though. So I thought, okay, you know, I'm gonna
go see if that's real. And it was. It actually
was real that there was a I can't remember the

(18:33):
guy's name off the top of my head, but he
was an oceanographer and a biologist, and he did a
pioneering study of phytoplankton and according to his research, the
phytoplankton were only producing scrubbing the carbon dioxide. I remember,
the ocean is one of the biggest carbon dioxide scrubbers,

(18:53):
you know, in the entire world, that in like the Amazon.
And he said that the rate of carbon dioxide scrubbing
by these phytoplankton was fifty percent of what they thought
it was, and so, you know, we should be choking
on on CO two and other gases, and basically, basically
are you know, if you look at the particulate that's

(19:14):
in the air, and you know there's a lot of
argument around climate change and that we're reaching this tipping point. Well,
what he said in nineteen fifty I think it was
fifty seven is that there was no way that we
could scrub this much, you know, the post the industrial
age and the post industrial age. There's no way we
could scrubble that bad gas. And he was right, and

(19:38):
so after that they undertook a program to prepare for
an ecological doomsday and they actually did it. And the
quote that came from the guy who did their research
is that we are we are now undertaking in an
experiment and basically in climate change. I'm paraphrasing, but we're
undertaking experiment and climate change the ramifications with ramifications of

(20:02):
which we could not even imagine. And so now in
twenty twenty five, you know, we're seeing the results of
it that the you know, the ice packs are are
the glaciers are melting, the ice packs are thinning. You know,
there's off and on. There's fears that the conveyor belt
that exists in the Atlantic Ocean will shut down, you know,

(20:25):
and you'll get a day after tomorrow kind of thing.
I mean, there's there's plenty of evidence.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
When we look at the Dark programs, A lot of
people have a trouble trying to understand the fact that
there are secret projects going on, whether it's an Area
fifty one twenty nine palms or some secret hidden base
on an island somewhere in the Pacific. All if you
have started to look into this, we got three minutes

(20:54):
ago before we go to break. At what point do
we start seeing or wreck recognizing this type of technology,
and how do we know it even exists?

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Well, you already are. I mean you can see you
can see footage of TR three bs with aerospike engines
on Facebook. I mean, if you look, it's there today,
right now. I mean it's we already see what we've
been seeing it for twenty years. I mean we The
SR seventy one was developed in the fifties, you know,

(21:26):
it started to become field deployed in the sixties and
the seventies. You know, the A twelve program was was well,
you know, well into its advanced stages, and then became
the SR seventy one. And I just bought a lego
kit for an SR seventy two that was shown in
Top Gun had skunk Works crap all over it, you know,

(21:48):
and the guys from the skunk Works were like, yeah,
we designed it, designed it for the movie. But it's
a complete it's a complete airframe and all the instrumentation,
it's all there. And they showed it and freaking Top
Gun that was right in front of you.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
You know what the best part about that scene in
Top Gun was is how they actually had the Lockheed
skunk Works skunk on it.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yes, you know, on the throttle on the throttle.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, I know. I mean a lot of people wouldn't
catch that. I remember when I when I saw Top
Gun Maverick for the first time, and I was so
giddy when I actually saw the skunk Works logo on there.
I was like, man, I know what that is. I
know what this is.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
It was the revelation of the method. Man, they show
you what they're doing. They don't hide it. You just
nobody looks. That's the key. It's like alternative three. I
went through alternative one, two three, I went through all
of them, and I found evidence that they actually happened.
It wasn't hard.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well, I mean, but that's kind of the secret of
it all. Isn't it that so much of this is
hidden in plane sight, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Yeah? Absolutely? You know, I have a relative that that
knows about such things, and I asked them once. I said,
you know, how do you hide this stuff? And their
response was under the flagpole, which means out in public.
You don't try to hide it because, honestly, as my
philosophy professor put it, ninety percent of the popular we
were talking about the allegory of the cave and this

(23:26):
idea that you know, the people are lost the doors
right there, but they can't see it, right, And so
you know, he would always say, you know, most people
are content with a six pack in the forty nine ers,
because I from the Bay Area, and so you know,
you'd say that everybody's content with a six pack and
watching a forty nine ers game. They don't walk outside

(23:47):
and actually look up in the sky.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
And we're just blinded to it because we're not used
to it.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
No, you're blinded to it because you don't look. It's
not because you're not used to it. Trust me. I
watched an aurora fly across the Nevada sky with a
doughnut on a rope in broad daylight. Most people just
don't look up. They look down. They look down at
the ground, they look at the tree in front of them.
They don't look up in the sky. You look up

(24:14):
in the sky. There's all kinds of weird stuff up there.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
All that thought, all of Phillips here, author, researcher, podcaster
and a guy who always looks great wearing plaid. We're
going to bring him back. What is the secret space
program when we return? And what kind of toys are
they hiding? All right, buddy, we're clear. Apparently Frankie B

(24:56):
thinks we're an archive. Is this a crive? We're a
crive showing showing we're a crive. Yes, we are a crive.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
You know, to your your listeners on the chat, I
wasn't born at Mendenhall. I was born in Wiesbaden. I
was born in a country that doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Ali, I'm gonna ask you something. Who's your favorite Golden Girl.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Probably be Arthur.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, b Arthur. We call him. We call him be
Arthur around here Paranormal Portals. Brett Thomas, the Golden Bee
of the paranormal right there, b Arthur.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
She is such a bitch. I just love the clever
to death. I liked her mod.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Just like you know what, there weren't a lot of
women on television outside of like pro wrestling that you
could look at and say, yeah, she could ca my ass.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
B Arthur had that book. She was a marine, Yeah, yeah,
she could. I think that's probably why I liked her,
because she was strong and she didn't take any ship
right yeah. But also but you know she had a heart,
big heart, big heart. Yeah, but no, she was in
the US Marines.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, oh, I know that. She still looked like she
could kick ass.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
I think she probably could. But but then again, uh oh,
what's her name? The the chef Julia Child she was
she was like in Special Operations. I mean Ruth, doctor Ruth.
Doctor Ruth was a sniper. Yeah yeah, doctor Ruth, the

(26:47):
sex therapist. She was a sniper.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Could you imagine.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Getting killed by by doctor Ruth?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Now not a good way to go.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
I'm getting killed in general, is a kind of a
bad scene. I would agree with it. I would agree.
I know a guy is a sniper. Man, they're intense,
they're intense people.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Oh yeah. I worked with a guy whose son was
a sniper in the Canadian Armed Forces. Yeah, and he
said being the dad of a sniper was horrible because
all you would do. It didn't matter what time of
the day or night you would get a phone call. Dad.
I'm just letting you know. I'll call you when I
get back. Can't tell you where I'm going, can't tell
you how long I'll be gone, can't tell you anything

(27:36):
but call you when I get back.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
I have some experience with that.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, yeah, freaky.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah. Actually, you know, I had a relative who fought
the Revolutionary War and he was he was the equival
of a scout sniper in the Massachusetts Militia, and so
he fights through the whole Revolutionary War. And I guess
he fell in love with some girl and he moved
to Quebec. And then I guess he didn't like Quebec,

(28:07):
so he moved back to Massachusetts. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Not surprising, M.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
I reserve judgment. I hear it's beautiful though, mm okay.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
We got about two minutes.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
But you know, I live in near Yosemite, so it's
beautiful anyway.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I love living in the mountains. Man.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Oh yeah, it's as cold, cold as fuck.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
I like it me too.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
My wife was like, what you're gonna sit outside and
do this? Are you insane? It's so cold? I said, well,
I'll do it outside as long as I can. I'll
come inside.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
All right. We got about a minute and a half.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
All right, then you can ask me the really hard questions.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Huh yeah, that's when it gets nasty.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
That's second thirty minutes. No on, it's a dumpster fire
of dunster fire of interrogation.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Of interrogating, debauchery of the secret space program.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
You know what, there's a book you should read. It's
called a kup Bark Manual. Go google the kup Bark Manual.
You should read that.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
God, if I read everything you told me, I wouldn't
be doing this show. I'd still be reading.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Can Erica Stover hear me?

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Okay? Yeah, I uh, I have a relative as well.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
What did Erica Stover say? My dad was in Osi?
Oh look at that.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
I A have a relative is in that organization as.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, hold on right there, guys. Thank you to t
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(31:22):
a guy who wears a lot of plaid and proud
of it. He's here to talk about the secret space
program and Olive, we're glad that you're here.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Well, I am very glad to be here. I always
love doing Spaceout Radio. Not only does it have the
best guest or best host ever, but also the listeners
are actually phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Your check is in the mail for that, I know. Yeah,
very true, very true. Hey, you know what. I haven't
done this yet, but I know, I know you. This
is personal for you a little bit. But a lot
of people don't know, may not know, and a lot

(32:00):
of people do know. The name of Clyde lewis from
the host of the Ground Zero radio show and podcast.
It's a great show. He's been doing it for twenty
plus years. He's an authoritative voice in the United States
about a lot of conspiracies, a lot of you know,
UFO and paranormal topics that he's delved into over the years.

(32:26):
He is fighting a real battle right now, and we
want to make sure that everybody in spaced Out Radio
land gives him a big, big healing hug from wherever
you are.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Absolutely, yeah, Clyde's having some health issues and they actually
have a gofund me as well, So definitely you know,
contribute if you've got a couple bucks for the crew
that helps Clyde and Clyde. But yeah, he just said
him a big healing hug. He could really use it
right now. And he's a good guy as a great show.

(33:00):
Yes he does. Definitely, definitely we want to give.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Him a shout out because everybody, you know, we're a
small community. We're an emotional community, we're a loud community,
but we're still a very small community and we have
to support our own. So everybody out there send him
some healing and some hugs, man, because he's going through
a tough time and and this these topics are his life.
I've never met Clyde personally, never talked to him, but

(33:25):
from what I hear, he's he's a very nice guy.
And you know, even though we're not personal friends or anything,
we still have to send that that support and that love.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Absolutely send lots.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Absolutely all right, he is, he is a super nice guy.
Let's get out. Let's get to the Secret Space Program. Okay,
all right, because I could talk about this topic literally
every single night. I love the Secret Space Program. When
did we start calliet a secret space program? How did

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this come together?

Speaker 4 (34:03):
You know? I don't know when we actually started calling
it a secret space program. I mean it started in
the fifties, you know, but I don't know when we
actually used that term. Probably after two thousand, I think,
you know, people started to really realize that something was
going on up there. But I couldn't tell you when
we actually started using that term. I mean, it's a

(34:27):
pretty basic term. I mean, it's a term that you'd
imagine it could be used. But yeah, I think people
really started to find out about it the two thousands,
after X Files. I think it was after X Files.
You know, funny, funny story I heard through the we'll
just call it the grapevine. When I wrote the book

(34:47):
about the Secret Space Program. There, I have some evidence
that Chris Carter read it. And there's a monologue when
they the X Files came back and they did that miniseries.
There's a monologue in the garage where Molders is laying
it down for Scully and he's like, just you know,

(35:09):
telling her how it really is. And a lot of
the content for that actually came out of my book.
I was going to kick out of.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
That see for me. I'll tell you where I often
wondered because I was a very amateur I still am
a very amateur military aircraft buff and I was absolutely
heartbroken in nineteen ninety two and they retired the SR
seventy one Blackbird. I've seen it fly a couple of times.

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And then they said, well, you know, the satellite technology
is so good now, we don't need these airplanes to
be flying. We've got spy satellites all over the world.
And you know, it's just antiquated technology. And we bought it.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
We bought it, well, you bought it. I didn't buy it.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
No, But when I say we, I'm saying the majority
of the public, Oh yeah, sure, right. But I remember thinking,
I was like, no, they got something else. Look what
they just did with that, that stealth fighter, the Nighthawk,
the F one seventeen Nighthawk.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Yeah, they're retiring that too. That tells you something.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, believe it or not, people, The F one seventeen
Nighthawk has been retired since two thousand and eight. Yet
it still flies in Tonapak. But it's retired.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
All of it's retired, you know the way, at least
from what I've seen, and you know, I go by
publicly available information. I'm not. You know, I don't get
I don't do whistleblowers or anything like that. But the
way that it works is that, you know, they retire
something when they have a replacement. They don't retire it

(36:57):
until there is a replacement. I mean, look at the
B fifty two. The B fifty two was invented in
the fifties. I mean, we're on the I don't know,
we're on like the Q rev of the thing. They've
overhauled the engines like twenty times. I mean, they's still
fly them. You know, when you get onto A seven

(37:17):
thirty seven and you fly to Hawaii, you know that
plane's been in the air for thirty years. They don't
retire those kinds of things until they have replacements. It's
that simple.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
What do you think replaced it?

Speaker 4 (37:33):
I think the SR seventy two. I think that there's
a couple of aircraft and it's asinine that they would
retire the SR seventy one, but they're still flying U
two missions. I mean, you know that that predated the
SR seventy one, But no, I think it's probably the

(37:54):
SR seventy two. I think it's probably you know, there's
a couple of the TR three. They probably use that.
I mean, there's a spot here up above Strawberry where Strawberry, California,
where you can you're basically I think two or three
hundred miles in a straight line to Area fifty one,

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and there's a there's a mountain range between that point
and Area fifty one, the Sierras. But when they when
they climb out, I think it's two hundred miles. When
they climb out of Area fifty one, you can actually
watch it. You can see the dot and you can
see the afterburners, like the glow as it climbs out.
And these these aircraft, I mean, it's to use one

(38:39):
of your favorite sports. It's like a hockey stick, that
kind of curvature. But I think it's I think there
are a couple of different aircraft that they're they're using
to replace it. And if you go to e SETI
out in Trout Lake, Washington, you know you can see
them all night. You know, rectangular wedge wedge shaped aircraft.

(38:59):
Why through the skies. I mean it's it's not difficult,
it's it's right there in front of you.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Where do you think they're hiding these things now? Because
I personally think Area fifty one has become more of
a test range rather than anything spectacular for UFOs or
dark projects, like where they hid the you know, the
F one seventeen for years at Area fifty one.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Well, the A twelve, SR seventy one was there, the
Nighthawk was there, the F one seventeen B two bomber.
They test all that stuff out there, and they still
do you know, as far as why they hide it,
you know, this is this is where I fall out
of favor with my fellow conspiracy nuts. You know, I

(39:48):
do honestly believe that a lot of things should be
kept secret. I mean, you know, these are national defense things, right,
we don't necessarily we shouldn't necessarily know that specifications of
the SR seventy one or the SR seventy two or
the whatever they're flying out there, you know. But no,
I think they kept it hidden because in an adversarial world,

(40:13):
which you know, you look at Russia, you look at China.
In an adversarial world, you want you don't want them
to know exactly what you got. You always want to
hold something back in case you need it, you know,
I mean the only reason we know about the F
one seventeens and the B two bombers is the success
of wars in the Middle East. They decided to annihilate

(40:35):
Saddam Hussein, so they sent over a squadron of F
one seventeen's and a whole bunch of a ten wordhogs
and tore up that place and basically annihilated him in
what forty eight hours? So you know, but you can't.
You don't have that element of surprise if you know
exactly what it is. But it's fun to guess, it's
fun to explore.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I remember talking to an F one to seventeen pilot
a few months after the war, and in my hometown
they had a big air show in Abbotsford, British Columbia.
They still hold it every year, and they brought in
an F one seventeen pilot. And this is true story.
Many people don't know this, but our slogan is we

(41:16):
own the night, right, And how I came up with
that was I remember looking at his shoulder patch yep,
and it was an F one seventeen with a skunk
on it, and it said on the bottom we own
the Night. And I thought that was the baddest patch

(41:40):
I have ever seen right.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
I think it's actually a squirrel. It's the Secret Squirrel.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Or something like that. I thought there's a skunk. I'm
gonna see if I could find it.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Here, find it. I think it's a squirrel, it's the
Secret Squirrel. But yeah. There's actually a book written by
Trivor Pagline called I Think If I told you, I'd
have to destroy you, And it's actually an analysis of
It's just a book filled with patches and he analyzes
these super secret patches and what they mean because in

(42:12):
each patch there's a whole bunch of stuff and if
you understand it what it represents symbolically, you can actually
tell what it is. Well, it's like a secret line.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, we'll get into patches here momentarily, but sure I do.
I am going to bring it up here so for
a radio audience who can't see the f one seventeen
pilots wore these patches where their aircraft was right on
the front. There was a Lockheed skunk where skunk they're
dressed up like everyone like death in a red riding

(42:47):
hood type hoodie. There is the a mosque front and
the oil fields of the desert in Iraq. It says
Operation Desert Storm. And then on top of it, it
has we own the night. Now it's what you don't
see or what you don't calculate, which is very interesting.

(43:07):
So for instance, on this military patch there's five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,
eleven or twelve stars and a crescent moon because the
crescent moon is a symbol of the Middle East, and
you have the Persian Gulf in the background. So the

(43:28):
end you have this this sand road that is the
road to Baghdad. So the F one seventeen's were a
very very powerful force in Baghdad during that time. And
one of the things all of this pilot told me,
I said, what was it like flying into Baghdad at night?
He goes, He goes. To be honest, it was probably

(43:51):
one of the most beautiful fireworks show I ever seen.
And as I went vertical, I was looking up over
Baghdad had watching all the tracers come through. He goes.
Then I realized, oh crap, they're firing at me.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah. Well, you know, I talked to an SR seventy
one pilot once. I used to produce Clyde Show, and
we you know, we had a couple of guys come
on to talk about the SR seventy one in Area
fifty one, the more conventional view of it. And he
told me that. He said, you know, when you fly

(44:28):
in the SR seventy one, you fly so high that
they have the enter thing they called the twilight zone,
where it's like twilight the entire time you're flying, and
you can see the curvature of the earth and you
can see the stars. And he said, it's really beautiful.
But he said, it's so beautiful you actually get addicted
to it. And when you stop flying up there as
a pilot, because the thing's so fast that you don't

(44:51):
really you can't really make like huge course corrections. You're
not like weaving in that thing. You basically fly in
straight lines like in an R And he said, you
just hang up there and it's it's just insanely beautiful.
And he said that when you eventually retire, or you know,
you get old enough, do you stop flying? He said,
you really miss it. You crave it, You crave going

(45:14):
back up there.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Do you believe that we're up to like an SR
seventy five, SR seventy six, Now.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
I don't know. I mean, it's hard to say because
you know, there's there's no real way. The only way
you can tell where you're at is observationally, like you
have to see it.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
And I.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Would suspect that we're we're deep into the SR seventy
two time, and I think we're probably they're probably working
on the next generation to replace it, because basically what happens,
right is that they'll develop an aircraft and it'll have
X y Z capability, right, and the minute it goes,

(46:00):
it goes mainstream, and you know, they actually start flying
it because the minute they fly it, everybody sees it. It's
you can't hide it. That's when they start working on
the next generation one is about the time they they
you start to see the one that's in current operation flying.
By the time you see that, they're already onto the

(46:21):
next one. And skunk Works is the premiere, absolute premiere
development operation to build those aircraft.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Researcher Michael Shratt, aviation historian as well, also believes that
you know, if you go back to nineteen ninety two,
the former head of Lucky Skunkworks, Ben Rich, stated that
he believed that they were about fifty years ahead of
what society sees in flight, but Michael Shratt has come

(46:50):
out recently stating that he believes that number is closer
to eighty to one hundred years ahead. What's your thoughts
on you?

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Well, I actually talked to a guy once who did
did DARPEST stuff. And you know, when you talk to
people like that, you have to be very careful, right,
because you don't want to know what they know, and
they don't want to know what they know.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
And so I'm going to stop you right there. What
do you mean by that? That's a very important saying.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Well, information is dangerous, right, And it's dangerous because you know,
if you talk to somebody who worked for DARPA, if
they tell you something that's classified, not only do they
go to prison, but you can go to prison too, right,
And so to possess classified knowledge is it's a burden.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
You think to yourself, well, you know, I got a
security clearance, right, so I can see all this stuff.
Actually you don't see a whole lot of stuff because
you only find out about this stuff that's critical to
what you're doing. But it's a burden to have it.
It's a burden, you know, for the to carry that
with you because you can't tell anybody what you did

(48:03):
or what you saw, and you want to, you know,
you're like, hey, I saw this cool thing, let me
tell you. Well, you can't, and people who work in
that world will not tell you. They are not a
lot of people that'll that'll break that out of secrecy.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Right.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
In fact, Luis Alizondo, you know, before he released his
book on UAPs, he actually he was required to give
it to the DoD to have it scrubbed. So you're
seeing a sanitized version of his his work.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
No, they are very careful, but that's also what the
military industrial complex is all about. You could have somebody
at twenty nine Palms making some sort of computer screen
for some sort of jet fighter. They don't know what
they're making it for, or they just know that they
have their orders to make it. And then the tires
are made in say Michigan, and another part is made

(49:06):
in Kentucky, and then the body is made in Saint
Louis or whatever.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
So my mom worked with My mom was a nurse,
and my mom worked with another nurse and her husband
was a machinist. A very good machine is very sophisticated,
advanced machining kind of stuff, and he worked in this
little machine shop and they made bolts. They made bolts
out of some very exotic material. And that's literally all

(49:35):
they did is they hand machine bolts all day, all night, bolts, bolts, bolts.
And they had some kind of DoD contract. They didn't
know where they went. They just made bolts, and they
for some reason, some material science reason, they couldn't like
cast them, like they actually had a machineum. They were
like titanium or some other exotic material. And so one

(49:57):
day they were going through a museum and it was
a you know, it was like a museum of nautical stuff,
and they had a reproduction of a nuclear reactor from
a you know, a fast attack submarine. And the guy's
looking at this. It was basically a training reactor that
they had used and they, you know, they decommed it,

(50:19):
so they put in a museum and he's looking at
this and goes, oh my god, that's my bolt. I
guess they had to put a special mark on it
or something. He's like, oh my god, that's that's my bolt.
Those are the bolts that I made. They were used
in a nuclear reactor. Well he didn't know. He's spent
his entire career machining bolts. He never knew what they
were used for. That's how you keep things secret. You know,

(50:40):
you farm out. You know, those guys make bolts, those
guys make housings that the bolts fit in. Those guys
make nuts that attack the other end of the bolts.
I mean, everything's separated to keep you from figuring out
what it's for.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
No, very true. And that's what and that's how the
in military industrial complex has spiderwebbed its way into different
states and into different cities. And this is why they
have so much poll because they may have four thousand
workers in one state and thirty thousand in another, and
if their representative is voting against something defensive, they're gonna

(51:19):
be like, you know, we could move these thirty thousand
jobs over from Washington State to Pennsylvania or whatever it
may be.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
But to answer your question, I talked to this guy,
you know that I knew, and he had worked in
some TARBET programs. And he said, I didn't ask him
what he worked on. That's a super big no, no,
you don't do that. But I asked him. I said,
if you look at what you worked on, how far
advanced is it outside of the commercial world. And he

(51:53):
said that he felt comfortable answering that because you know,
I don't know what exactly he's talking about. And he said,
you know, it ranges depending on what you're working on.
But usually it's a minimum of fifty years ahead, and
in some cases it's more like one hundred. So it's
a range depending on what you're you know, what you're

(52:13):
working on. I mean, there's a belief that they've had
fairly sophisticated AI systems since the since the nineties, you know, nick,
liquid nitrogen, cool, quantum computing kind of.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Stuff that's just incredible. But where are they playing with this?

Speaker 4 (52:36):
They're all in different places. It's hard to say. I mean,
you don't really know. I mean, you know, it's funny
when I used I went to UC Davis and there
was this rampant rumor that the engineering department had a
nuclear reactor. And you know, it was this rumor through
the whole school. I was in liberal Arts, I was
in Arts and sciences. But even in Arts and sciences,

(52:57):
you know, we were doing anthropology, but we heard the
rumors that there was an engineering lab that had had
a small scale nuclear reactor. I mean, that's a U
see Davis in the middle of nowhere. They you know,
you can't, you can't tell, you really can't. It could
be anywhere, that's the truth. I mean a lot of

(53:20):
a lot of it is in places that you'd expect
where there's no people. You know, stuff they need to
test that flies or drives or whatever. They're going to
do that where there's no people. Right, but you still
have a satellite problem. You know, the satellite overflights of
places like Dougway or Area fifty one. You know, they

(53:43):
the Russians and the Chinese prioritize tasking of satellites to
watch those places. And you know, so they have at
Area fifty one, apparently they have a big clock and
when the clock, you know, every fifty minutes, they have
to like either wheel everything back into the hangar, cover
it with special tarps, yes, the geometric patterns to confuse

(54:05):
the cameras.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
And they also have cutout They also have cutouts of
weird shaped aircraft. So when the Russian or Chinese satellites
are flying over all they can see is these weird
strange shadows. I mean they're lying flat on the ground.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
But up they paint them. They paint them on the ground.
They actually paint them.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
On all of I'm gonna get you to hold on
right there because we are going to go to break
when we return with Old of Phillips. Tonight, what's the
difference between a UFO and a UAP. We're going to
find out and do we have faces on the moon?

Speaker 5 (54:43):
Next, let's Faced Out Radio. This is Faced Out Radio
with Hopes Dame Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
H all right, buddy, we're clear. I'm gonna put you
in the green room and I'll be back in a minute. Okay, sure,
all right, be right back, everybody, be right back, be
right back. One of these days we're gonna get some

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commercials put in here.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
Said u.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
H.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
All right, I am back. Let us bring all of
back there. He is.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
I'm sorry, I was reading. Somebody asked a question I
was trying. I was going to answer that.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I have the questions all highlighted for you. Brother.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Okay, you're gonna ask.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Me, I will ask you. All right. Yeah, I'm all
ready for it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Hopefully, hopefully everybody's enjoying it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
I feel sometimes when it gets the conspiracy stuff, I
feel like a wet blanket because I'm like, well, secret
should be kept. Oh no, I don't know where the
hell I put this stuff. I know it's still little places.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
By the way, Guys, if you get an opportunity while
you're listening to this show, if you have the opportunity,
go look at the moon tonight. The moon looks spectacular.
It's a huge moon. I believe it's a super moon tonight.
Oh it's a supermon Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
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great super chants. Thank you to Amy for the membership.
Greatly appreciate it. And we are going to get to
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What is Caribou Kan.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Here we go with that, we're number two of Space
Out Radio today. My name is Dave Scott. We greatly
appreciate you tuning us on in wherever you are on
this beautiful planet we call Earth. Ola Phillips is our guests.
We're gonna get to whether or not there are UFOs
and bases on the Moon. We're gonna get to a
little bit more, get get deep into the conspiratorial stuff.

(01:01:46):
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(01:02:32):
Always a pleasure to have you on the show.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Oh same here. I absolutely love this show and I
guess and by the way, PARAMARV found all my links.
He really looked me up, so good job.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, We've got to convince old of
to come to our Vegas party this year.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Yeah, I'm really going to try to come this year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
You should. You deserve it. I'm hangout. I'll even bring
some plaid for you, how about that?

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Okay, I get some Canadian plaid, real Canadian plaid, real
Canadian plaid.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 8 (01:03:06):
All of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I have learned over the years to redefine what UFO
and UAP are. Okay, I've learned that UFO is something
that is unexplained, that includes USOS, that includes NHI, aliens,
everything like that spacecraft or alien spacecraft. UAP more so

(01:03:28):
a cover term mainly for human technology.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Yeah, I think that's probably true. I mean, and I
think when they did those congressional hearings, the first ones,
I think we really got that out of it, right
because the director, the d and I Director of National
Intelligence at that time, he said, when they were talking
about the tic TACs and all this other stuff that
were declassified, right, he said, you know they're omitting radio transmissions.

(01:04:02):
They're emitting Say first, he said, they're emitting signals, and
we we have captured the signals and we know what
they are. Well, if I'm an alien coming from Zeta Reticuli.
I'm probably not gonna use radio traffic. I'm probably gonna
use some other kind of discrete communication system that we
haven't invented yet. And honestly, even with the greatest supercomputers

(01:04:28):
in the world, it would take a long time for
any government a consortium to figure out what it's said, right, So,
you know, I think that really was the Litnus test
where we found out, Okay, these UAPs that we keep seeing,
there's something to it. And a long time ago, I

(01:04:49):
got a I got a transmission from a mag twenty
that tells you all logo is a MAKE twenty nine
pilot out on the out on the western frontier of Russia.
And this was after the Soviet Union had fallen, and
I actually had a guy trans who's kind enough to
translate it for me. And basically, one thing I found

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it fascinating is, you know, the Soviet Union was long
gone at that point, but he was still saying like
comrade major, comrade colonel, which I thought was hilarious. But basically,
he chased this thing, and they kept telling him to
chase it, and he got up to a point where
he was, you know, he was a full power like
full after burner, trying to chase this thing, and it

(01:05:30):
was still getting away from him, and they couldn't figure
out what it was. He couldn't get a good radar
walk on it. He could see it, but it would
come and go. And after he chased it for a while,
it turned and headed toward NATO like the NATO Frontier.
And you have to ask yourself, you know, if that's
an alien, why are they heading toward Western Europe and
trying to get out of Russian airspace? Right that an

(01:05:51):
alien wouldn't pair, they wouldn't even necessarily have a concept
of Russian federation versus NATO. But this whatever, this object
was extremely high speed, totally rip it past the mid
twenty nine of full power. I mean that he said
the aircraft was shaking that he had. He was pumping
out so much power of those engines and he couldn't

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catch it. It just zoomed off toward toward Western Europe.
So yeah, I think UAPs are definitely human built. Maybe
they're by US or China or Russia, you know, Japan, Germany.
I don't know who made them, but they're definitely made
by US for sure. That's my belief.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
So how do we define what's alien and what's not anymore?
Can we?

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
A long time ago, I'd say yes, you could clearly
define it because you have vehicles that are doing things
that are insane. Right Like when I was at Davis
there was a mass UFO sighting in in the mid nineties,
and you know, we went out there and walked the
next night, thinking we wouldn't see anything, and I watched

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fourteen UFO's dog fight and they were making geometric patterns.
I mean they were flying triangle. They weren't well, they
were flying triangles, but they when they came down, which
is a whole nother story to low altitude. And I
watched those for a while, but you know, they were
making squares, like the lights in the sky. There's fourteen

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lights in the sky and they're making circles, squares, rectangles, triangles.
The speed at which they were making these turns would
have killed a pilot, right It's too many g's and
there's no airframe that exists on the face of the
Earth that I'm aware of. They could actually make a
ninety degree turns at high speed. But nowadays, you know,

(01:07:50):
our technology has pushed the envelope so far that I
wouldn't necessarily say that we couldn't do it. I mean
a human couldn't do it, but you could have a
drone the do it. So it's it's probably a lot
harder to figure out now. But you know, I look
for the really weird ones, you know, and even Heinich

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and Belly, you know, they say, well Heinick especially, you know,
he said that ten percent, roughly ten percent of all
the UFO sightings that he saw at Blue Book were unexplainable,
and he said that those ten percent were probably alien.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Do you think then that we have potentially something ill,
interstellar that is continually watching us, that maybe there are
these hidden mother ships out there where these craft maybe
doc and they are having the time of their life

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flying into our atmosphere.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Yeah, I think it's possible. I mean, you know, the
sighting in Dixon, for example, the night before we went,
they had a huge cigar shape UFO that basically went
along the railroad tracks. And that's something that you see
that they they tend to fly along railroad tracks or

(01:09:19):
roadways like things that they can use for mapping, right,
And they had the entire police department out there chasing
this thing. And when they got the entire police department,
they called up to the sheriff's department, they called people
in off leave to chase this thing. I mean, you
had all these cops chasing this thing, you know, and
it's like, if it was human, why would they do that?

(01:09:43):
I think to actually, I think to see the difference
between something that's human built and something that might be ultraterrestrial,
extraterrestrial in origin, I think you have to look at
what it's doing. Like back in the nineties, there were
all these triangulars shaped us that were flying around England
and Europe and they would they would shine lights on

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roadways and they'd hang out by nuclear reactors, or they'd
hang out by cemeteries. And it's like, you have to
ask yourself, if I'm a human pilot, you know, fly
in one of these wedge shaped or they weren't wedge
they were triangles, and I actually saw one. But you know,
if I'm flying one of these kind of triangles and
I'm a human pilot, why am I hovering over a

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cemetery shining weird beams into it? That makes no sense.
If it's military or governmental, they don't just do things.
They do things for a reason. I mean I may
not know what the reason is, but there's a purpose
to it. And some of the UFOs are seen in
ways that are not purposeful, and a government would not

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waste time or money or pilots doing things that are
not purposeful.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
With that technology. Then on the human side, do you
think we have craft maybe it's the TR three b's
or others that can stay airborne for infinite amount of time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
I don't think that they can stay a lot for
an infinite amount of time, but they can stay up
there for quite a while. I mean even you know,
even a commercial airliner right can fly from Los Angeles
to Sydney and Australia and it's like, what is it,
something like twenty hours? So you know, with more high

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performance engines, especially things like aerospikes that you know, it's yeah.
I mean, we already have plenty of aircraft that can
stand in the sky for a roller long time. And
they've experimented with with drones that are solar powered. Right,
that's going to be more like a prop versus a

(01:11:54):
jet engine or a turbofan those require fuel. But no,
I mean, yeah, they could. We have global hawks can
stay up there for quite a long time in orbit
and take photos and monitor. So yeah, I mean absolutely
we have vehicles that can stay up there for quite
a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
What do you what do you think What kind of
propulsion system do you think they have? Would it be nuclear,
would it be some sort of fission? What do you
think it might?

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
No? Us, Oh, us, we have a whole bunch of
different kinds. Actually, stand in Freeman the you have a
researcher back in the fifties, I think it was the
fifties he worked on a nuclear powered aircraft. But it
was so heavy because of all the shielding that they
barely could get the thing off the ground. I mean,

(01:12:43):
I think that for us, you know, the conventional ish
stuff that flies in the atmosphere probably uses you know,
jet fuel, maybe modified jet fuel. Right once you get
into the secret space program and you're talking about stuff
that's outside, you know, who knows. I mean, probably fusion
like cold fusion, or probably not fission like nuclear, but

(01:13:07):
probably cold fusion. But I mean, we have aircraft carriers.
We have one. We have a real big one sitting
off in Venezuela right now. It uses a nuclear reactor.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
But that's what I'm saying. Like, if you look at
aircraft carriers, they're nuclear powered, some of them don't have
to refuel for twenty thirty years.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
It's not quite that long, but yeah, they don't have
to refuel for many, many years for sure. But yeah,
I mean it's you know it really my suspicion is
based on everything that I've seen, is that the stuff
that flies inside the atmosphere uses some kind of either

(01:13:48):
derivative of straight you know, it was a JP seven
like jet fuel. Because one of the problems you have,
especially in a military context, is that the more exotic
it is, the harder it is to maintain. So these
m one abrams, right, you know they have turbine engines

(01:14:09):
in them. They actually run on jet fuel. Okay, So
you know, we give a bunch of them to the Ukraine,
for example, and they're looking at this thing. It's like, Okay,
I'm running a jet two jet engines in the back
of this tank. You know, I need a jet mechanic
to be able to fix it, and I've got to
truck this this jet fuel all over the place. Meanwhile,

(01:14:30):
you know, you've got leopards and others that are running
on diesel, right, it's harder to maintain that they break
down more so, I think my suspicion is at least
the stuff that flies inside the atmosphere, I would say
is definitely jet fuel. Are based on jet fuel. I
don't think they need any kind of exotic exotic propulsion. Well,

(01:14:52):
I mean they are exotic propulsion systems, but not exotic fuels.
The stuff where I would expect to see something that
runs on say helium three, would be something that operates
outside the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
And you believe right now we have human craft that
we can get and fly to the moon.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
I do, I definitely do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Yeah, what craft would those be? Describe it for people
who may not.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
Know, well, I mean some of the things that are
wedge shaped, I think you're definitely candidates for it, you know,
because they're designed to fly so high. You know, you
get up to a certain point and engage some kind
of a rocket motor and you can push yourself beyond
the envelope up into low Earth orbit. Because you're not

(01:15:40):
going straight up. You're doing it kind of a little
bit at a time, raising your altitude until you just
kind of escape it. But I mean, you know, we
had a Space Shuttle. The Space Shuttle could do it.
If the Space Shuttle could do it, we can definitely.
I mean it used a rocket to get up there.
But you know, if you have something that's designed to
do that, and yeah, I think we definitely have stuff that,

(01:16:03):
you know, at a minimum can get suborbital, but it
could get orbital for sure. I think we have space planes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
And you are convinced too that we have bases on
the Moon. I do what is your evidence of that?

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Back in the again alternative three, Back in the late fifties,
the Air Force had a study called Lunax and the
Army I think it was the Army, but I think
the Army was Horizon and they the Army in particular,
the Air Force took an air force approach, which was
they wanted to have a rocket that landed and then

(01:16:41):
they turned it into a base, and you know, very sophisticated.
The Army was a lot more simplistic about it. That
they they wanted to put in quantcet huts, which in
the fifties makes sense, but they're like pressurized quantcet huts
buried in regolith, which is that material that you see
that's on the surface of the Moon. So if they
were trying to come up with something in the fifties,

(01:17:04):
by twenty twenty five, I'm sure they figured it out.
There's also some weird things that happened, like transient lighte
phenomenon that happens on the Moon where people astronomers all
over the world for decades have reported seeing lights moving
across the surface. And John Lear actually found a bunch

(01:17:24):
of photos which appear to show tracks from like a
wheeled vehicle moving across the surface of the Moon. So
I think we definitely have some level of operation up there.
Some people think that we have a very sophisticated healing
in three mining operation US in the Russians. The Russians
had a program from the early sixties, I think it

(01:17:46):
was called Spesda where they were going to put a
base on the Moon. I talked to a guy once
where he had an uncle who worked for some kind
of aluminum or steel manufacturer, and they had a contract
to the government and they were shipping just horrendous amounts
of metal to the government and they couldn't guy it

(01:18:09):
was all being built out, all weird, and he went
to his boss and asked questions and the guy said,
don't ask questions, and then later they found a reason
of fire him. Right, you know you hear stories, but yeah, no,
I think we definitely do. I think we definitely have
something on Mars too. It's in the book if you
buy The Secret Space Age. I have a picture in

(01:18:30):
there of it, and it's a it's smooth, it looks
like a house from Malibu, most of built in the
side of a cliff most of the time when it
has a sphere on the top of it. Most of
the time when I show it to people, they think
it's in Malibu, but it was actually a in a
canyon on Mars. And we're not Yeah, we're not talking
the face on Mars or anything like that. I mean,

(01:18:52):
this is a perfectly smooth kind of trapezoidal shape with
a dome on a black dome on the that's actually
reflecting somenlight. And in the book, you know, I'm a
strong believer that if I'm going to make a crazy
claim like that, that I should have some proof, and
so I in the book, I give you the url

(01:19:13):
that you can go fetch it from NASA.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
What would be the purpose of having bases on the Moon,
So secretively. I mean, that would seem like such a major,
major push for humanity if this is true.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
Well, it's about capability, right, A lot of times when
you deal with things that are pop secret or classified
or cute clearance or whatever, it's about capability. You know,
a lot of times if you have somebody who's like
in the intelligence community, right, you know, the missions themselves,
depending on what you're doing, are obviously classified, but a

(01:19:52):
lot of it is means and methods. You know, how
do they do what they do, how do they find
the information, how do they process it? A lot of
times that's what's classified. It's not so much like the photos,
you know, but it's the process by which you derived
the photo is classified. So I think if they have
secret bases on the Moon or on Mars, which I

(01:20:13):
think is definitely within our capability, right, and we've expressed
an interest in doing that, you know, I think that
it's classified based on capability that we don't want other
people to know that we have the capability to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Okay, but with Mars apart, mean, with with China or
India or any other country that's been sending rovers up
to the Moon, would they not be able to find
these bases.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Sure, but you're also assuming that they're landing the rovers
where the bases are. The bases would be on the
far side, the dark side of the moon. There's only
to my knowledge, there's only one probe that's ever gone
landed there. I think it was a Japanese one that
land maybe it was the Indian one that landed on
the far side of the moon. But I also I

(01:21:02):
tend to believe that when it comes to lunar operations
and some of this other stuff, that the other countries
are at some level aware of it. I don't think
that it's something that we do necessarily just by ourselves.
I think there is some level of collusion for some
of these things between US and the Chinese and the
Russians and others. You know, on Earth, we can argue

(01:21:24):
about the Ukraine, or we can argue about Taiwan. But
when it gets up in a space, I think there's
kind of an intrinsic pack that we kind of do
it together, because I think the objective is beyond earth
bound politics.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Is that from any potential alien threat.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Well, you know it's funny you quote it ben Rich.
You know that he went to a cal Tech alumni dinner,
and he said in his closing remarks, he said, you know,
I just want to tell you guys. Because he's in
a room with a bunch of engineers and he says,
I just want to tell you guys, not only do
I have the technology to take et home, but I
got the contract. Those were his exact words, and they

(01:22:06):
were actually backed up by this one of the guys
in Moufan who was at the dinner. Yeah. I mean,
you've got the Reagan thing about that you play at
the beginning of the show about you know, if wouldn't
it be nice if we had an alien threat because
we'd all see each other as humans, you know. I
think there's definitely an STS forty eight, I think is

(01:22:27):
a great example of that. But yeah, I think that
they're that they may may know something obviously, I mean
blue Book, right, but and the KGB had the same
kind of an operation like Blue Book. But yeah, I
think definitely, you know, they're aware of something that's coming.

(01:22:48):
I think the problem is is that none of them
can stop it, and so you don't want to talk
about it. You can't admit to it because you got
these things streaking through the sky and the government it's
not going to go. Well, you know what, we don't
know what they are and we can't stop them. That's
the last thing they're going to do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
So do you think that Russia or China also have
craft that could get to the moon or do you
think it's a United States only effort?

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Oh? No, I'm sure they do, at least the Russians
for sure. And you know, I had an interesting conversation
with a guy once. He was in the Russian Air
Force and I was asking about Star Wars and he
told me straight, he said, And I trust this guy,
and I knew this guy for a long time, and
I trust him what he said, And he said, you know,

(01:23:36):
when I was in the Soviet Air Force, He's like,
we knew that you guys launched Star Wars. He's like,
we knew where it all was, you know, the Thor's Hammer,
the rods from God, brilliant pebbles, all the lasers and
other crap. He's like, we knew where it was. We
knew you had it up there. He's like, we had
stuff up there too, We still do to this day.

(01:23:56):
He's like, I know for a fact because he worked
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
That is so weird.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
But you know, his point was, and he said it
to me kind of casually, which I thought was funny.
He said, you know, you're always assuming that he's pointed
at the Earth. He's like, don't necessarily assume that he's
pointed at the Earth. And then he just walked away.
I worked with him. He's a great guy. I love
him to death to this day. He worked to burn too.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Very interesting, ol. If we have you for another thirty
minutes on spaced Out Radio, And as per usual when
you're on this show, it flies on by. We're going
to try and get some audience questions coming out next
as well more UFO talk with all of Phillips. You're

(01:24:55):
listening to space Out with your.

Speaker 8 (01:24:58):
Host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Good question, what's my credit score in space? I think
wasn't there Wasn't there an astronaut that had to get
someone from NASA to deal with their taxes because he
was up in space during the deadline?

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Yeah? I think so. I think there were a couple
of them. Man, they got trapped on the space station.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Yeah, so they couldn't file their taxes on time, so
NASA had to call the IRS and say, hey, can
we have a little bit of a reprieve here.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Yeah, you know, funny thing. You've got to give the
Russians credit. You know, they were the first ones to
put armed battle stations in orbit. They had a whole
series of them called the Almas, and then we had
a Mole which supposedly wasn't armed, but supposedly was armed.
But the Russians they had I think five or six
separate Almas stations that were actually armed battle stations. And

(01:26:16):
then they fired this thing up called the Polyus Skiff.
It was like an automated battle station with like nuclear
weapons and stuff. And they claimed that this technician banken
or sent a command to it to unfurl the solar panels.
And so the guy sends the solar panels command in
the solar panels and furl and then he forgot that.

(01:26:39):
He forgot that he unfurled it. So he sent the
command again by mistake, and it forced it. It fired
its maneuvering engines and forced it into a ballistic orbit
and like crashed in the ocean. But nobody ever saw
crashed in the ocean, so most likely it's still up there. Wow, Yeah,

(01:26:59):
it's They had lasers and nuclear weapons and kinetic weapons
and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
All the fun toys that you don't want to hear about.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Yeah, sometimes you know it's better not to know, right, Yeah,
that's my point.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Probably one of those times.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Well, hopefully everybody's enjoying the show that I try to
be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
You are fun. You're all of Phillips. Okay, you wear plaid.
I wear plaid. I'm all of Phillips, and I wear plaid.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
But yeah, I know, this stuff's interesting to talk about,
and a lot of people don't talk about it. They
just get hung up about aliens. There's a lot more
going on up there than just that. But I do
think there are aliens.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
How many people you think live on the Moon?

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
I don't know. At least probably one hundred at least,
if not more.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
You think they rotate in and out?

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
Oh yeah, they'd have to. I mean, according to alternative three,
it was a one way trip to Mars. But you know,
it's I would imagine that they rotate them. I would think.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
I could see Mars being a one way trip unless
the jump rooms are real.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Yeah, but you have to you have to think about
where the story of the jump rooms are coming. From
right that there's you know, he was supposed to become president.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
No, I understand that, but I mean it also gets
into the entire twenty and back and yeah, and if
you buy into that, I'm not. I I used to
really believe in the twenty and back until I met
one person and when I when I saw him on

(01:29:06):
stage speaking, I knew he was full of it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Yeah, I think most of them are. I Mean, the
one thing that you learn very quickly is that the
people that actually do this kind of stuff, they don't talk.
There are no there. In the entire time that I've
ever studied this, there's only one guy that I believe
actually worked on this stuff that called into a radio

(01:29:31):
show to tell me that he worked on this stuff.
Out of all the the shows that I've done, over
all the years that I've done it, there's one guy.
And he was an old man, and he called up
fifteen minutes before the show ended. Was on ground zero.
He said that he was. He was an aeronautical engineer
that worked for a company in Washington State. You can

(01:29:52):
put them two and two together, and he said that
he worked on a defense on a star Wars system
that they called solar Warden and he described it, and
he said, Okay, I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
And hold that thought. Let's we'll talk about solar ward Sure,
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(01:31:22):
where's our technology going? And now solar Warden. Oli, thank
you for being here. Tell our audience what solar Warden is.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
Well, solar Warden was found by a guy named Gary McKennon.
It's actually I forgot to mention Gary McKinnon. It's one
of the reasons I do believe in the secret space
program is because what Gary McKennon found, basically the Solar
Warden that he talks about, right, is this, you know,
this this outer defensive operation with spaceships that fly around

(01:31:54):
the Solar System and you know they defend us against
a bad aliens and things like that. That the reason
that I've always been fascinated by Gary McKennon was the
reaction to Gary McKinnon. What Gary McKennon found was bureaucratic
debris that we all live in bureaucratic societies. You know,

(01:32:14):
whether you're in Canada, you're in Germany, we thrive on bureaucracy.
And in bureaucracy Land, they have manifests for buying pencils
and pens and toilet paper. If you've got this magical
spaceship that's flying around the Solar System, it's gonna have
toilet paper. I mean, unless they've invented some super cool

(01:32:35):
way to super Japanese toilet, you know, they're gonna have
toilet paper. And he found the manifest for that kind
of stuff, t shirts, socks, and that's the kind of
stuff that nobody cares about. Well, that's what he found
and so this material was being assigned to ships that

(01:32:55):
don't exist, and so by proxy figured out that these
ships were extra extra terrestrial. Effectively, they weren't on the Earth.
They have human crews flying around all around the Solar System.
And the reaction was he hacked into a bunch of
NASCID computers and DoD computers. We want to send them

(01:33:16):
to Guantanamo. And it's like, why do you want to
take this kid? Who's is a kid and you know
he was on the spectrum. He just wanted to find
some pictures of UFOs and apparently he did. He found
pictures of vehicles, probably Earth Earth based vehicles you know,
on the Moon and other places. But they wanted to

(01:33:37):
send them a Guantanamo and put them in a deep
pit and make him disappear. Why do you do that?
You know, it's it's cause and effect, you know, he
why do you want to do something that severe? Right?
I mean, he found manifest for toilet paper. Why do
you want to stick them in Guantanamo? But the guys
that are architected nine to eleven, you know, it's just

(01:33:57):
over it's an overwhelming reaction. But he yeah, he found Solar.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
War, Solar Warden deals with the Moon, it deals with space,
It deals with a lot of secrets, cars, craft, mars,
absolutely everything in deep space and putting humans there. Do
you think or in your opinion, what kind of technology

(01:34:23):
would we need to be flying right now in order
to make these missions like solar Warden happen.

Speaker 4 (01:34:31):
Fusion cold fusion, helium three powered cold fusion, which is
the dream, right They always talk about helium three, and
it's this insane power source that could run an entire
city off of a helium three block the size of
a size of like a cooler, you know, and could

(01:34:55):
run it stably at room temperature. Right, so you don't
have nuclear reactors are nasty, you know, you're basically creating
a chain reaction the amount of heat that they generate.
You know, this idea of the China syndrome that when
you get a nuclear reactor that goes goes critical, it
does something called the China syndrome where they hypothesize that

(01:35:18):
it would burn a hole through the earth because it's
so hot, you know, and it would only stop at
the core. Right, you know, cold fusion. You could stably
safely run a cold fusion reactor at room temperature you
could have one in your backyard that powers your house.
That's probably the size of a coke can, right, It

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doesn't require all this other stuff. Water. That's why nuclear
reactors are generally near the ocean or rivers, because they
need constant water to put over the spent fuel rods
and to pump into the into the ponds, you know,
the ponds, and to pump through the reactor itself to

(01:35:59):
cool the raw because how you do it is you lower,
you either lower push up, depending on who makes the reactor,
these fuel rods and then they they start burning and
they you know, create steam and you generate electricity. Well,
the cold fusion reactor doesn't need that as small and

(01:36:20):
they hypothesize that helium three is the ticket for cold fusion,
so probably cold fusion and the rest of it is
stuff that you know, we could build conventionally, build space stations.
We built you know, uh, space planes, the shuttles, bury
in whatever. You know, we've had space station since the Mold,

(01:36:42):
the Almas, you know, the Chinese have one. You know,
we have one. We had sky Lab, all that stuff.
We can build this ship, I mean, if we could
build a ship that goes in the ocean. We can
build a submarine, we can build a space ship. The
problem is is fueling it and making it run, even
recycling the air. Those guys sub mariners, they go down

(01:37:03):
there for like four months, six months. They're under the ocean.
They're recycling the air, they're recycling the water, they're recycling everything.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
That's very true. We just don't know because we're not
involved in the field of how technologically advanced we really are.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
Correct. And that's again another reason why DARPA is secret,
because DARPA is where this stuff comes from. You know.
That's again I go back to capabilities. When you think
about things that are classified, generally things that are classified
have to do with methods or capabilities, and you know

(01:37:45):
that's yeah, I mean that's DARPA's old cooperation is capabilities. Transporters,
you know, you know, replicate replicators that can make different
kinds of foods, raw like soybeans and whatever kind of mush.
You know, it can modify it at an atomic level

(01:38:09):
to create a steak, you know, Star Trek stuff Star
Trek or Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Let's go to a couple of audience questions here. Let's
start off with t Bone Well of exactly what do
you think they are mining on the Moon. I agree
they are up there.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
I think it's helium three. I think it's titanium. I
think it's a lot of rare metals, because remember a
lot of the material that you're going to get baked
into the moon, right comes from meteorites, you know, and
asteroids that strike the Moon, and a lot of times
these these asteroids have very exotic material on them. But

(01:38:48):
I think the bulk of it is probably helium three
and then titanium.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Derek is asking what's your thoughts on Marco rubio latest
comments on disclosure? Also, do you think Tulsa Gabbered will
bring some credible information on disclosure or more of the
same old, same old.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
Same old, same old.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:39:13):
I mean, we've been talking about disclosure for thirty years, right,
we don't have any of it yet. I think the
closest we we came with something called Cosmic Journey. You
can find about find out about it on sightings back
in the nineties. You know, I don't think. I don't
think that disclosure is real. I don't think that we

(01:39:33):
will ever get disclosure. I think it's a fallacy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
I think we will get a controlled disclosure, because I
think there are too many people fraid of catastrophic disclosure.
But yeah, but a regulated disclosure, in my opinion, is
not disclosure, correct.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
I think what you'll get is that there are some
there are some capabilit that they got off of a
you know, this is the Bob Blazart discussion. There's some
capability that they got off of the UFO that they
have in their possession and too. In order to normalize
that technology, they'll sneak it in, right, And that's a

(01:40:18):
kind of disclosure. But the disclosure that that career talks about,
you know, it's funny. Greer talks a lot about I
talked to this guy. I talked to that guy. You know,
if you look at wiki leaks and actually look at
the emails that he sent, it's pretty unimpressive. It's a
lot of them Leon Panetta and everybody else blowing him off.
There's there's I'm a firm believer that there will not

(01:40:40):
be any kind of disclosure worth anything. It just won't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
And why do you think that is?

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
Well, it makes you have to rationalize some uncomfortable truths. Right,
It's one thing to watch X files, you know, or
fringe or whatever, and you're you think to yourself, you know,
parallel universes and UFOs and aliens. It's another thing for
the US government to say these things are real, they
fly through the sky. We don't really know what to

(01:41:10):
do with them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
There's actually go on YouTube. There's a very famous conversation
between Art Bell and John Lear and Bell asks Lear,
you know about disclosure and Lear says, well, you really
don't want it, and Belle says, well why. He says, well,
let me give you some disclosure. And he goes through
this whole monologue about disclosure and breaking laws and all

(01:41:32):
this other stuff, and at the end of it he goes,
so what do you think, Art, did you really want disclosure?
And Art Bell Art Bell says no, I wish you
had not told me any of that. So, yeah, I
think you'd have to come to terms with a lot
of really uncomfortable things. And I think the Bricking study,

(01:41:56):
I think part some of that is really real that
people would it would cause them to question religion and society,
and I just what do you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Think, what do you think is the biggest eye opener
or would be the biggest eye opener for humanity. If
it was announced that we are not.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Alone, well, I think it's that we're not alone. I
mean that it's that by itself, you know, is just
if you sit down and actually think about it, it's
this insane problem. Right. You know, I'm not very religious.
You know, I'm spiritual but not religious. So for me,

(01:42:39):
it's not such a big deal. But if you take
somebody that is very religious, that would shake the very
foundation of their belief system, right because well, you know
God made the earth, well maybe not God made humans,
well maybe not. You know, this is the Garden of
ed it, well maybe not. I mean, you can go

(01:43:00):
through it systematically and get a well maybe not. You know,
so I think a lot of a lot of religion,
and then you've got to deal with you know, the
government's been hiding it for X number of decades and
they did all these really bad things to cover it up,
and you know, I think that that it would be
hard for people, some people a percentage of the population

(01:43:22):
to rationalize it. And we can sit around and say, well,
you know what, if the government came out and told
me the UFOs are real, I'd be totally cool with it.
You know, but it's one of those things where it's
it's a slippery slope that if it actually happened, you know,
there be It's one thing to think it, it's another
thing to know it. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:43):
I agree with you. It's a very tough subject, indeed,
you know, because I think more people want to know
about what is going on. I don't think they're going
to get any sort of of answers. I think what
they will come up out and say eventually is we've
found a signal. That's the safest way they can do it.

(01:44:06):
We've found a signal way off in space. We believe
it's of a radio signal of some sort of alien
binary code or something like that. I think that's the
way it breaks down.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
How about you, Yeah, it's it's the WOW signal on
crack or you know, it's it's a contact minus the
sphere that Jody Foster climbs into and goes to some
other planet. You know. I think that's the safest way
to do it because it's not an eminent threat. You know,
it's not to serve man, right, if you've ever seen

(01:44:42):
that out our limits to serve man, it's a cookbook,
you know, it's it's not an eminent threat of their
flying around here and we can't control it. It's okay,
there's there's other aliens out there. That Drake equation was right,
you know, but they're not coming here to enslave us
or blow us off the face of the earth, you know,

(01:45:02):
or whatever turn us into a huge, huge mining operation.
You know. It's it's at a distance, and I think
that's probably true. And you can see the foundation of
it coming right the Vatican. You know, well, the aliens,
the aliens were touched by God too, okay, and you know,
well we've got the Vatican Observatory. You know, when the

(01:45:23):
Pope comes out and says, well, you know it's not
the current pope. It was a couple of pops ago,
but he comes out and says, you know what, aliens
are cool. They you know, they they had their own Messiah.
And you know, Catholicism can coexist with aliens at a distance. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
We got eight minutes, Yeah, eight minutes. Let's get to
another question here. Let's go to Polly here, what do
you think the Vatican archives are saying? In your opinion,
what's the most compelling hidden thing there.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
In the Vatican archives Yeah, honestly, I think it's probably
something of a more accull tech nature, something demonology, you know,
something about Fatima, because there's always that that lost phantom
of prophecy. You know that everybody argues about Malachi. Martin
went on at length about what he felt that it was.

(01:46:19):
But I think it's probably stuff like that. You know,
demons are real, you know, we have proof. I mean,
the US government sent the Columns Elite to open gateways
to Hell for a reason. So I think that's probably
what you find in the Vatican archive.

Speaker 1 (01:46:36):
What do you think do you think the Vatican knows
that there is life out there? Do you think they
have record of it?

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
I think it's likely that they have some sort of
information about it. I mean, they have their own observatory system.
You know that oddly, their largest telescope is called Lucifer.
If I recall, yes, and Lucifer, the archangel. Lucifer was
he was the archangel of knowledge, right that he was.

(01:47:06):
He was an archangel of knowledge and of exploration. So
at some level it's interesting that they called it Lucifer
before he fell. And the reason that Lucifer fell is
because you know, he he became self aware enough to
be like, Okay, why can't I be like them? And
he got bitter about it and started a war to

(01:47:29):
be free because he felt that he was enslaved. So,
you know, being having a having a Let's go call
Lucifer if you think it's kind of fascinating. But no,
I'm sure they do. I'm sure there are records going back,
you know, if UFOs of UFOs landing and interacting with
the populace and the local priest, parish priest recording the stories,

(01:47:50):
I'm sure it's.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Yeah, no kidding, no kidding. Let's I think that they
know that there is life somewhere or that we are
being visited. I am just absolutely convinced of that. And
I mean, never mind getting into the religious concept of
you know, the Shroud of Turin or John the Baptist,

(01:48:13):
or the Holy Grail or anything like that. I really
do believe that they are holding major secrets in those
votes that would literally change the entire dynamic of humanity.

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
Well yeah, that's the whole argument for the more of Ingians, right,
and the and the bloodline of Jesus, that Jesus had
children with Mary Magdalene, and Jesus spent time in India.
He also came to England, you know. And yeah, I
mean if that that would be in the Vatican archives
and that that would really upend Christianity, right that the

(01:48:51):
cat Maybe the Cathars got it right, you know, in
their beliefs. But and they eradicated to Cathars. I mean
they killed theirs in a w of them. But yeah, no,
I think I think that the Holy bloodline of Jesus,
if it exists, is definitely in there and I and
out they'll protect that into the ground because it would

(01:49:14):
upend the Catholic Church. It would completely undermine it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
The Wizard is asking could some UFOs be echoes caught
in time like stone tape theory?

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
Yeah, I mean any when it comes to UFOs, right,
it's all on the table. My own belief is that
at least a percentage of them are what's called an
ultra terrestrial, so they're maybe they're interdimensional, maybe they're time travelers, right,
although time traveling would have a lot of paradoxes, you know,
the butterfly effect and others other things. But no, I

(01:49:48):
think that they're definitely yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Where do you think they are? I mean, there is
the great debate of UFOs. Are they from outer space?
Are they i'm travelers, interdimensional hopping? What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
Well, I'm a fourteen, so I'm going to argue for
the ultraterrestrial model that says fundamentally, we don't know, so
based on that, it could be any of those things
or all of them. Right, some of the characteristics, you know,
interdimensional traveling would make a lot of sense, the way

(01:50:27):
they phase in and phase out, and things like you know,
the Mothman, right Bigfoot. Wherever you see Bigfoot the Mothman,
there tend to be a lot of UFO sightings around
these locations when these things are seen, so you know,
maybe they're aultraterrestrials as well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
All right, let's move to another question. We got three minutes,
so probably time for one more here and let's go
let's go to J here. What's your thoughts on three
i AT lists and other similar objects in space?

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Very weird? You know, they I actually ran it through
an AI and the probability of some of the things
that the thirty one outlas is doing are so astronomically
bizarre that I think there's something to it. I think
there's something weird about it absolutely. I think it's it's
I think it's definitely some kind of a robe or something.

(01:51:25):
I mean, omoa moo. But they're thirty one outlysis is
actually accelerating beyond it's it's gravitational capability. Now they're saying
it's pulsing every sixteen point sixteen minutes. You know, it's
got this weird halo. I think there's definitely something to it.

(01:51:46):
I don't. Yeah, there's definitely something to it. It's I
I personally think that it's artificial. At least there's stuff
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
What do you think of NASA's response to it with
that photo that literally really look like a microphone microphone?
Geez whiz? What am I thinking here? A motorcycle's headlight
in the fog?

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
Right? I think if you look at NASA's behavior like
holding everything until November and and the secrecy and the
lack of transparency, that also tells me that there's something
strange about it because NASA NASA is actually an okay operation,
Like the people that work there like they really care

(01:52:31):
about science, like they really care about this stuff. And
to embargo those guys, you know, there's something significant that
they're holding back under the flight bowl in front of you.
They're holding stuff back, and that that makes me wonder
what they're actually doing. There's something to it. See.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
I think the NASA people are great, but I think
it's the political side of NASA that is very dangerous,
that is very secretive, and they're playing the public for fools.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
Correct. That's what I believe. That there's a political element
in NASA, that it makes decisions that makes people lose
faith in NASA and trot around the never a straight
answer thing. And it's not the people that work there.
It's the political element of it, for sure. I totally
agree with you. But the scientists and the technicians and

(01:53:28):
you know, the people that work there, they really care
and they really love their jobs and they really want
to do good science. But I think, as with many things,
the political element of it is what damages.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
We got about thirty seconds ago. Let everybody where they
know where they can find your books.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
Amazon. Just do search for my name on Amazon. That's simple.
You can find the Secret Space Age and the Cold
Warrant Space and some other stuff that I wrote. It's
old her.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
You always appreciate when you're on the air, you know,
I appreciate it. You're the Olive Phillips. We love it
when you're here. We do, we do you stick around me,
stick around for a second, okay, because we're going to
go to break here at the top of the hour.
Swamp Dweller and the Wizard coming on up on spaced

(01:54:22):
Out Radio. It's going to be a jam packed hour
three next you're listening to spaced Out Radio with your
host Dave Scott. All right, we're clear, Olive. If you

(01:54:52):
want to stick around with the Wizard now, you're more
than welcome.

Speaker 4 (01:54:56):
Maybe I'll sticker und for a few minutes the Wizard.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
You're good with that. Yeah, hold on, he's gonna turn
his microphone on. Okay, now it's off. Now you're muted.
We can't hear your Wizard. We'll let you know. Yeah,

(01:55:25):
we got you now.

Speaker 8 (01:55:26):
Okay, yeah, im mutant. You wouldn't hear me moving the
mike ground.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Since yeah, yeah, ol of it. You are going to
stick around, all right? All right, Josh, ol Of ol
Of Josh. We call him Josh the Wizard around here.

Speaker 8 (01:55:41):
Yeah, me and Olivenoid Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Yeah, I'll be right back, guys, all right, be right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
Back us.

Speaker 9 (01:56:38):
USA, USA, all right, bring the boys in.

Speaker 1 (02:00:04):
You got the Wizard there just looking fucking stellar.

Speaker 4 (02:00:08):
Yeah, I had, I have. I have seventeen percent on
my phone, so I'll hang out for a little bit,
but then my battery will dies.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Well. I appreciate Goalie.

Speaker 4 (02:00:23):
I appreciate you too.

Speaker 8 (02:00:25):
You need a you need a connect battery charger. You know,
you just shake it orth shake weight.

Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
Oh yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 7 (02:02:28):
Hello, and welcome to spaced Out Radio's swamp. I'm swamp dweller.
In tonight, I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unn sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 4 (02:02:45):
I had this supervisor, Kate. One day.

Speaker 10 (02:02:48):
We had a discussion that turned into the unexplained, and
she told me about something that happened when she was
a teenager. She tries to debunk crazy things that have happened,
but this is when she hasn't been able to. It
was the summer or after she graduated high school sometime
in the late half of the nineteen nineties. She was
eighteen at the time. Her friend Billy was a few
years older but still lived with his mother in their house.

(02:03:09):
This was in a small city in western Maryland, and
Billy's house had just enough land that he could throw
raging day to night summer parties complete with bonfires. At
the same time, they weren't very isolated, and random people
from the surrounding neighborhoods would always show up at the party.
One day, Billy met this skater kid named Nick, and he.

Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
Seemed to chill.

Speaker 10 (02:03:30):
Being a social animal guy, Billy invited him to hang
out with him at the house. Billy probably also took
pity on Nick because Nick told him he was a
runaway living at the park. So they would play video games,
going rides, and party till late at night. Nick started
showing up every day at Billy's house, knocking at the
door at seven am sharp and engaging him in the
morning till night drinking. He was about sixteen with dark

(02:03:51):
eyes and dark spiky hair.

Speaker 7 (02:03:53):
Remember this was the late nineties.

Speaker 10 (02:03:55):
He seemed relatively normal and everything, except for a couple
of things. The first was that he always wore the
same thing, a playing T shirt and a pair of
camo print cargo shorts. Even though he was sleeping in
a park. His clothes always looked clean. The second is
that he was never seen eating or going to the bathroom,
even though Nick drank heavily with Billy. Finally, oddly enough,

(02:04:16):
no one remembers feeling Nick's skin, even my supervisor, who
had sat next to him in a car during.

Speaker 1 (02:04:21):
A road trip.

Speaker 10 (02:04:22):
She hung out with Billy and Nick at Billy's house
two times, and each time she said her friend felt
like something was very off with Nick, especially when he
would give off this laugh that sounded.

Speaker 1 (02:04:31):
Very evil and maniacal.

Speaker 10 (02:04:34):
He also seemed to get kookier and weirder when they
went on road trips and got further away from Billy City.
Nick would also never shut up about his father's gun collection. Finally,
Billy's hospitality reached its limits. After two weeks of waking
Billy up at seven am to go party, Billy snapped
at Nick at his front door. He said, look, Nick,
you've been coming here every morning for two weeks. You're

(02:04:55):
waking up my mother, who's trying to sleep. You need
to go now, Please just come back later. Then he
slammed the door shut. Nick never showed up again. Billy
came to Katie a little bit later with the newspaper article.
It was about Nick, who had killed himself. Nick had
escaped the mental asylum his parents had put him in
Billy's town, got to his father's house and shot himself

(02:05:16):
with his father's gun. Billy was initially upset because he
felt he must have put Nick over the edge when
he kicked him out, until he checked the dates. Unfortunately,
Nick had committed suicide on July tenth, two entire weeks
before even meeting Billy.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
So weird, So weird. I don't know where swamp Dweller
gets these stories, but man, some of them are just crazy.
If you want more just like that, listen to Swampdweller
on YouTube. Swamp Dweller's channel hit Subscribe, ring that bell,
thousands of stories for you to choose from, each and
every time you listen. Time for the Wizard. I still

(02:06:19):
love that intro wizard yep.

Speaker 8 (02:06:22):
And you know I really don't want to congratulate the
person who created it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
It's a computer. Congratulate the computer, all right, All of
Phillips is sticking with us tonight for just a little
bit longer. He's having too much fun. Josh Rutledge is
here with the UFO report, and I want to just
bring this one up here for you, okay, because today
was actually a very very busy day, and I'm curious

(02:06:51):
to get both of your opinions on this. Apparently a
new amendment has quietly added to the Senate Intelligence over
Site Bill is raising eyebrows of the UFO community and why.
While the language directs defence agencies to provide clearer definitions
and reporting standards for materials, craft, or biological evidence of

(02:07:14):
not of known human origin, while the wording well, what
do they call it? Well, the wording is something along
the lines of a little bit of a mystery. Because
it fell short last year in the Schumer Rounds Disclosure Bill,
analysts say it's signals continued government discomfort with opaque Pentagon

(02:07:37):
handling of UAP programs. In other words, ARO sucks. Transparency
advocates call it a small but meaningful, little victory as
we move the disclosure ball forward. Josh, I'm curious your
opinion on that.

Speaker 8 (02:07:53):
I mean, I think it'll be significant if it makes
the cut. Like you said, they tried to add numerous
things in there before, and it seems like it never
makes the cut, which at this point in time has
to be because the people who are behind the scenes

(02:08:14):
are making a direct attempt to keep this information from
coming to life. I mean, there's there's no other reason
to continue to cut this kind of inclusion, you know,
out of the bill, other than because people want to
keep it secret. That's the only possible explanation.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
All of what's your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
Well, I mean, even if it passes, it's so ambiguous.
You know, when you the government has very clear standards
about how they expect things to happen. You know, when
an airplane crashes and the NTSP goes out there to
investigate it, they have they have a six inch thick
rule book on how to handle just about anything. The

(02:09:01):
military is no different. So you know, this idea that
they throw out some ambiguous language, it's placation. I don't
think it will result in anything. Also, you have to
remember there's something very important about this is that a
lot of this kind of stuff, right, is part of
special access programs. And special access programs are not under

(02:09:25):
the purview of what you're talking about, you know, those
the restrictions and special access programs are really driven by
the defense contractor, so they're not required to release this stuff.
They're That's how they hide things. So I don't it's
great that somebody at the FAA comes out and says, Okay, well,

(02:09:46):
you know, we got to rate our track. Is something going,
you know, twenty seven thousand miles an hour at one
hundred and eighty thousand feet, you know, and everybody goes, whooh, disclosure.
But the reality is of something crash, they're going to
hand it over to Lockheed Boeing or or Gramma and
and it will just disappear.

Speaker 1 (02:10:05):
I can see where the UFO community is excited about this,
because we're used to making mountains out amorsals. Yes, we
very much are, because we will take anything and overexpose
it to make sure that it means more than it does.
That being said, that being said, I do believe that

(02:10:27):
this could be a step in the right direction. What
direction that is, we don't know, because I don't know
if the politicians who are pushing for the transparency, like Timbershet,
like Anapolina Luna and others. I don't know if they
fully understand or comprehend the deep dark part of this
on what it could mean to society, what it could

(02:10:49):
mean to Earth, what it could mean to absolutely everything.
Never mind giving up the secrets, take the aliens away
from it, those secrets of what the United States really
has in its defense department that nobody knows about. Because
if you're talking about the UAP aspect of everything, we

(02:11:10):
have to think that they are trying to expose what
the secret technologies are. And maybe that's the endgame overall.

Speaker 8 (02:11:18):
Josh Well, and you know, if you really think about it,
that's the whole thing that started in twenty seventeen New
York Times article was not so much about the government's
UFO program. It was the fact that there was these large, say,
you know, special access programs that existed that government the

(02:11:38):
Congress had zero oversight for. And that's, in my opinion,
that's what really all these UAP hearings and everything else
are about, is an attempt to bring uh the special
access programs underneath the umbrella of congressional oversight. They just
happened to have picked on this particular topic for our

(02:12:02):
special access program because it has public interest, and so
again they can use the public's interest as a chess piece,
if you will, on this in this game that they're
playing to try to get congressional oversight. The other piece is,
like you know, all off, you're talking about if they

(02:12:24):
if the FAA announced they had you know, what was
a radar return for something doing in one hundred and
twenty seven thousand miles an hour? You know, would would
that admission even be an indication of our radar capabilities?
And is that not one of the reasons why they
continue to hold so much of this stuff back.

Speaker 4 (02:12:46):
You've got it. You hit the nail on the head.
It's it's it's capabilities. This is what they classify as
capability and method, and I think it would expose a
lot of things. I mean, remember the fewer when Trump
releasecidtelite photos and it showed the capability of the side.
It wasn't even the full capability, it was only a

(02:13:06):
partial capability. Everybody in the Pentagon freaked out. So no,
I yeah, I think that it's I think you're right.
I think it's a way to get support for it.
You know, special access programs there there is no oversight,
they're not foilable. You know, they're deep, dark holes, and
you know, the Congress wants to control it for a
lot of reasons.

Speaker 8 (02:13:28):
Well, and this is not the first time, you know,
the New York Times article I think highlighted a specific SAP.
But this is also not the first time that there
avenge concerns raised about the fact that the Pentagon hasn't
passed and on it ever, so you know, this has
been an ongoing conversation, and in my opinion, I think
the you know New York Times article and all the

(02:13:51):
UAP stuff again, it's just it's just a convenient SAP
that has public interest because there are probably a bunch
of other SAP that they also want congressional oversight of.
But the public either a wouldn't care and know about
them or be shouldn't know about them.

Speaker 4 (02:14:09):
And remember, you know this goes way back. I mean
in the eighties, there was a huge fear over the
fact that they were buying one hundred and fifty dollars
toilet seats. Right later we realized that well, they were
actually buying a twenty dollars toilet seat, and one hundred
and thirty bucks was going into a special access program.
You know, they were just rerouting things because you know,

(02:14:31):
since when does Lockheed sell toilet seats? Right right? You know,
they have all kinds of ways to do these things,
and it's because they don't want people to know, sometimes
for very good reason and sometimes maybe not so good reasons.
But and it's a mountain out of a molehill, there
will be nothing that comes of it.

Speaker 8 (02:14:50):
I would imagine a Lockey Martin toilet seat is very
very ill dynamic.

Speaker 4 (02:14:55):
I would imagine they're very talented engineers. I'd imagine that
skunk works toilet seed. It has a skunk on it,
and it probably works really really well.

Speaker 8 (02:15:04):
It's not because it stinks, that.

Speaker 4 (02:15:08):
Is for sure, But it's a nothing burger.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
Let's follow this one up with apparently there's been an
interview conducted with a former US intelligence figure speaking anonymously
that claims the United States government and they may no
longer directly maintain or retain pardon me, certain recovered anomalous materials. Instead,

(02:15:31):
they say a private sector agency legacy contractor has allegedly
been tasked with storage and engineering attempts While unverified, the
claim echoes earlier testimony at the last UFO hearing, especially
by George Knapp, about off book aerospace involvement. Expect this
rumor to stir debate in the coming weeks. Your thoughts

(02:15:55):
full of.

Speaker 4 (02:15:56):
I don't know, why would stir debate. That's a special
access program. I mean, that's how it works, right, They
hand it off and it disappears. That's the whole point
of having one. You know that this has happened repeatedly
with all kinds of stuff. I don't I don't know
what the debate is. They've been doing this stuff for
twenty years. So I there, it's it's a special access program.

(02:16:21):
That's how it works. DT it off to it.

Speaker 8 (02:16:25):
Yeah, yeah, I was just going to say that. I
think it will probably generate a lot of debate over
the validity of the statements that are going to be
made and the proclamations that are going to come out.
If that's the debate that you know, the article or
the you know, the person reporting it is referring to.
Because if there's one thing that the UFO community loves

(02:16:46):
to do, it's pick apart witnesses.

Speaker 4 (02:16:49):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
Yeah, then and witnesses.

Speaker 4 (02:16:52):
They are not necessarily good to be picked apart. You know,
they start finding real problems with a lot of these guys.

Speaker 1 (02:17:01):
And realistically, I think we we already knew this was
going on, maybe the public didn't. It's not news to
us because we're involved in this field, but it is
news to other people who have maybe just a faint
interest or just learning about this subject on how deep

(02:17:21):
it really goes. And once again, I often wonder, are
we talking about hidden US technology? Are we actually truly
talking about aliens? I don't think that. I think that's
a debate that also needs to be answered too. Well.

Speaker 8 (02:17:38):
There's also the you know, another possibility, like Golof was
talking about alter terrestrails, is that you know, there is
some ancient, you know, form of other intelligent life that
that that used to reside or even still does, but
is now hidden in some way on the Earth, and
it's their technology, you know. I mean, maybe we excavated

(02:18:03):
some you know, archaeological site and found you know, one
of their one of their ancient craft. You know, it's
not that it crashed or that it was a crash
retrieval or that or that we you know, telepathically landed
it in a field that Jake Barber swooped it up
with a helicopter and flew it off somewhere. It's just
that we just stumbled across old technology from civilization that

(02:18:29):
predates humanity. H and you know, so it's I think
the problem that we run into is is that everything
that comes out around the UAP topic and and this
is I don't mean, I don't mean any disrespect to anybody,
because that's the whole point is to have theories. But
we all have our theories as to what this is,
and so we hear these we hear these news snippets

(02:18:51):
or these interview snippets or witness testimony, and we try
to make what they say fit within our individual theories,
as opposed to looking at the evidence as a whole
and removing any bias that we may have around what
our theories might be, you know, to assume that it

(02:19:11):
might be hours, or it might be aliens or and
then you know, or it might be time travelers or
you know. The point is is that we don't know
what it is. All we all we can do is
look at the plethora of evidence that's being provided as
well as the proffer evidence that's been captured over the
last eighty years with witness testimony, experience or testimony, so

(02:19:33):
on and so forth, and try to see where that
evidence takes us as opposed to try to navigate that
evidence back to our theory.

Speaker 1 (02:19:43):
Good point, gentlemen, Really appreciate that we have four and
a half minutes to go here before we got to
go to break in the bottom of the hour. One
final part on this whole governmental side here that I
want to ask you guys about is apparently on the
science end. Physicists from the Max Planck Institute released a

(02:20:04):
theoretical paper proposing that some UFO slash UAP movements like
sudden acceleration without inertia, could be explained by localized gravitational
lensing fields. Though highly specutive, the model attempts to match
observed Navy videos and pilot accounts. It already is circulating

(02:20:27):
among mainstream science journalists, marking it another example of academia
stepping into the UAP territory. Josh, your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (02:20:36):
Yeah, I mean, I think that this also is definitely
in line with what you know, how put Off talked
about in the Aged Disclosure documentary that it's some sort
of a warp bubble or something that the craft creates
localized so that the craft can move around freely in
a different space time than what is it is actually

(02:20:58):
inhabiting in our space time. It is very cool that,
you know, we'll call it mainstream academia is willing to
get into the conversation because that is something that is
desperately missing, and it's something that I've argued that the
only way we're going to push this forward is if
mainstream science is willing to give it a fair investigation.

Speaker 1 (02:21:24):
Very true all of your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (02:21:29):
I think it's utterly fascinating because everything that you two
just said is Bobozar nineteen eighty nine. Right, the sportster
had gravitational lensing lensing gravitational lensing system, it created a
warp bubble around itself. They canceled inertia. This is Bobosar

(02:21:51):
s four, nineteen eighty nine. Watch excerpts of the Government
Bible on YouTube. You can't buy it anymore, but watch
excerpts of the Government Bible on on YouTube. Lazare draws
out this whole thing. I mean, he's got the you know,
bibblesar dot com he's got animations of how the warp
bubbles are created. Maybe he got element one fifteen wrong.

(02:22:15):
I don't know. But everything you just described as a sportster,
hidden it groom or hidden at Papoose Lake, you know,
nineteen eighty nine, George Knapp, and.

Speaker 8 (02:22:27):
You know that that makes me wonder a lot is
are these?

Speaker 6 (02:22:34):
You know?

Speaker 8 (02:22:35):
Is how put Off and others just regurgitating the same
words in a new in a new way. But really
they've made no discernible advancement in understanding the technology at
all since Bob Blazaar's announcement.

Speaker 4 (02:22:56):
Look, I love Hal Pudolf and all those guys, but
the spooks. I think what you're seeing as a I
think what you're seeing is is the trickle. If that
is indeed what the guys from max Plank, who are
eminent physicists, I mean, max Plank is one of the
most advanced research facilities for this kind of stuff in

(02:23:19):
the world. Right, If this is what the guys at
max Plank are talking about, this is that trickle disclosure
that we talked about before, right, Because it I don't
know if it's I don't know if it's a They
haven't gotten any further I doubt that. I think it's
just it's justifying what Lazar has always said. And I

(02:23:43):
met Lazar. I sat at his desk across from his
desk from this guy. He's a nice guy. He is very,
very honest with you when you talk to him, you know,
and his story has not changed materially since nineteen eighty nine.
And he's got I know, Stanton Freedman tore him apart,

(02:24:06):
but he's in the Los Alamo's phone book. He's got
a W two from Department Naval Intelligence. You know, there's
something there. And he showed me on his corvette where
Dennis Marianne put a bullet and put it back end
of it.

Speaker 1 (02:24:19):
The UFO report continues on space Out Radio for the
final half hour.

Speaker 5 (02:24:26):
This is spaced Out Radio, and your host's na stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:24:51):
All right, we are clear, all right. It was good
talking with you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:24:58):
No problem a. Let you get going, okay, because we
know your phone's about to die, so.

Speaker 4 (02:25:05):
It really is.

Speaker 8 (02:25:07):
And you look you look cold.

Speaker 4 (02:25:08):
I don't know, it's pretty damn cold. That's cool, all right, guys,
we'll have.

Speaker 1 (02:25:17):
All we're talking the next couple of days.

Speaker 4 (02:25:21):
Researcher. Yeah, we're talking the next couple of days. Thanks
me talk too soon, Okay, bye, all.

Speaker 1 (02:25:34):
Right, buddy, all right, it's just the two movements.

Speaker 2 (02:25:44):
You and uh.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
M hm.

Speaker 8 (02:25:58):
Oh uh no, you've got that thing you sent me.

Speaker 1 (02:26:08):
I assume you're gonna bring that up.

Speaker 4 (02:26:11):
And then.

Speaker 8 (02:26:13):
Saturday is a anniversary for a pretty big abduction case
in Italy. Well we can talk about that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:27):
Wizard.

Speaker 8 (02:26:35):
And then next week, December ninth is the anniversary for
the Kecksburg UFO know Kecksburg one which could be could
be interpreted as egg shaped, very true, said acorn, but

(02:26:55):
still could be egg.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
Do you prefer egg or acorn?

Speaker 4 (02:27:00):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (02:27:01):
I mean eggs are eatable, edible edible acorns are not.
Although my brother and I did try to make uh
acorn butter in our in our little dunk truck when
we were kids. Yeah, ground up with the rock, but
your acorns and mixed in some mud because that's what butter's.

(02:27:24):
I don't know, we were kids.

Speaker 1 (02:27:26):
Rock and roll, man, rock and roll, Good morning, Skip
to my loo. I'm sure I'm not missing anybody here.

(02:27:49):
Love the comment t Bone, the phenomenon rules.

Speaker 8 (02:27:59):
It's certainly occupies a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (02:28:16):
I was talking to a lady today about that. She's, oh,
just a friend of mine and well she's not really friendly,
an acquaintance in town. And she was talking about how
she's been on this spiritual journey lately, and I'm like, swear,

(02:28:36):
are you? I said, are you part of the peace
Love and lighters or what? You know? I said, are
you get real into spirituality? Yeah? She's like, oh, I
haven't really, you know, I'm just learning and just starting
my quest and all of this. And I'm like, I'm like, okay,
be careful, be careful, you know, I said, so I

(02:29:00):
I looked at her, he said, well, what do you
want to do? She goes, I don't know. You know,
I seem to be able to channel I seem to
be able to hear spirits talking blah blah blah. And
I'm like cool. I said, so, how many crystals have
you bought? And she goes, oh, I'm just starting to
learn about those. I said, well, if you want the
real phenomena, I so, you don't need to get any

(02:29:20):
of them. You don't need them.

Speaker 8 (02:29:23):
They're there, fush, but you do need to make sure
you protect yourself. Oh, one hundred percent. I mean, crystals
are just another tool to do so, but yeah, yeah,
but you there, there is no hiding the fact that
if you don't protect yourself psychically, you can all kinds

(02:29:45):
of crap can come bug the crap out of you.

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
I agree with you, But what I'm talking about is
in a lot of these new age spiritualists because it's
a popular thing to do right now. Okay, it's all
about all of the different crystals and tarot cards situary.
So do you know how you can tell it? A
person does know how to read taro? She goes, how
I said, they read the book.

Speaker 8 (02:30:12):
Well, yeah, here we go, here we go.

Speaker 1 (02:30:14):
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Here we go Josh Rutledge, we call him the Wizard
here for the UFO report and Josh, big money being

(02:31:20):
spent at a United States university to study UFOs. What
do you know about this?

Speaker 8 (02:31:27):
Yeah, so you're right. I mean, it's again talking like
we were, you know, in the first half hour of
this third hour about you know, mainstream science giving this
a fair shake, and this is at the University of
Albany in New York. And basically, you know, one of

(02:31:50):
the things that I've kind of harped on a lot
for the last probably eighteen months to two years is
the fact that you know, in order for universities and
scientific departments to give any fair look at the UIPI topic,
they need funding. And the only way that that's going
to happen, you know, mass on mass is if the

(02:32:13):
US government and other governments around the world are willing
to fund those research projects. But the nice thing here
about this University of Albany thing is that this group
of scientists were a part of the are some of
them were a part of the Tier in the Sky
documentary that that scientific research that they did near Catalina

(02:32:37):
on the coast of California some years ago, about three
years ago, and a bit of factor saw that documentary,
it was inspired by it and made a significant contribution.
They don't they don't really say that the number, but
a significant contribution to the school to establish what's called

(02:33:03):
uap X, which is you all Beny Project X, and
it is the Scientific Investigation of UAP's UFOs.

Speaker 1 (02:33:13):
Gary Vorhees, who's a good friend of this show, comes
into our chat room quite a bit. He was on
the USS Princeton when it happened, and him and Kevin
Day were the ones who actually started or to put
together uap X, and then they got the scientists put
together and it's really come together as a big group.

(02:33:34):
And it's taken them years in order to get this
project underway, but you know what, they always believed and
they finally got it done, which I think is exciting
for them. I'm very curious to see where they're going
to go, if they're going to do another documentary, or
if they're going to stay away from the cameras and
just concentrate and using this money as something that they

(02:34:00):
are going to try and find scientific method or maybe
even new technologies. That can attract or record UFO slash
UAP type events. And I think it's great that we
have this happening, I really do. And the fact that
a private donor somebody who's very wealthy has given them

(02:34:22):
a bag full of cashola because any of these type
of projects does need a funding system. I mean, you
want to do anything today, you need to you need
to have somebody with deep pockets. And they were lucky,
lucky enough to get it, you know. So I think
this is great for the community. And the more universities,
Josh and I know you're you're big on education, just

(02:34:44):
like a lot of us are. But the more these
universities start taking this subject seriously, which I think is
going to happen more and more often, the better it
is because we're actually going to be expanding on science
with this if it ever comes out. Even though disclosure
doesn't happened, the science doesn't stop.

Speaker 8 (02:35:02):
Oh yeah, And by the way, it's not an on Stoner.
His name is Tony Gorman, uh and he is a
longtime businessman. Whether He is a principal owner of the
Gorman Group and is a third generation family owned highway
construction and materials company. So I guess he's got some money,

(02:35:27):
and yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 1 (02:35:29):
I suspect that.

Speaker 8 (02:35:34):
The more universities treat this thing seriously, the more likelihood
there is that we might actually find UAP related courses
being integrated into various you know, degree programs. I could
certainly see a case for you know, you know, experiencer

(02:35:55):
or social response to UAP being included in like sociology degrees,
so social worker degrees, or you know, the more scient
you know, physics type thing. Looking at u I P phenomena,
how it relates to you know, what we know about physics.
So but all all in order for us to get

(02:36:16):
to that point where the UAP topic is included as
a part of legitimate university study, it has to open
up with universities doing the research.

Speaker 1 (02:36:30):
I would agree with you. I would agree with you.
And we know there are other universities that are into
this topic. Of course, Harvard, because of a v lobe
Rice University has been studying many experiences over the years.
We know Stanford is into it. I mean, look, Ivy
League schools pay a lot of money for the best
of the best instructors, and when you have two Ivy

(02:36:53):
League schools in Stanford and in Harvard that are looking
into this. Eventually, you know, the other I leagues are
going to step in. You know that the other big
time scientific universities, whether it's cal Tech, whether it's MIT
or others, are going to jump on board as well.
So this is a ball that's rolling, and I think

(02:37:18):
university wise, I think it's great that they're going to
be hopefully taking this more and more seriously over the
years because there's a new science out there. We don't
know what it is, we've seen it. We just need
to be able to figure it out.

Speaker 8 (02:37:33):
You know, I am I had a dream some years
ago of myself in the far future. I was an
old man Dave. I had a beard like yours, but
I had one, And in this dream, I was invited
to the White House to meet the President because I

(02:37:55):
was the foremost expert on the social geology and psychology
of ET encounters. And so my only hope is is
that a I can get to that point and there's
once you know, someday there's a degree for such things,
and be that other people will also take it serious

(02:38:16):
enough to start looking at all of these things in
how they are really meant to impact humanity. You know,
humanity is not just a silent experience er in a
lot of these things. I think that there is a
purpose behind humanity's involvement in the phenomena, and the more

(02:38:38):
people that take up an interest in that space, I think,
the better off will be as a society, and the
more we will we will advance our understanding. Maybe it'll
get to the point where we're no longer so much
concerned about the technology of the visitors, but more so
how it affects our lives and how much more we

(02:38:59):
can grow as a society and as a as a
species to reach the level of enlightenment, if you will,
that some of these ets have reached.

Speaker 1 (02:39:14):
Let's move on to our next topic. You have a
little bit of a historic story here for us.

Speaker 8 (02:39:20):
I do so December sixth, which is tomorrow or today,
depending on what time zone you're in. Nineteen seventy eight.
It was a pretty big abduction case that happened in Italy.
This is the I'm probably gonna butcher a lot of
this because I do not speak Italian, but the Zanfretta abduction.

(02:39:45):
The first the first encounter was December sixth, nineteen seventy
eight by an individual named Pierre for Tounado Zanfretta. He
was twenty six year old. He was a night one
Dutchman employed by a private security firm, and his encounters
took place in the town of Regula. I don't know,

(02:40:10):
in Genoa, Italy. So his first encounter, like I said,
was December sixth, nineteen seventy eight. Seventy eight is very
near and dear to me because it was the year
I was born. But Zanfreda was performing a routine routine
security check at the Villa Cosa Nostra at approximately eight

(02:40:31):
thirty pm. He reported seeing a large, triangular or egg
shaped craft behind the villa, a bright, intense green white
light illuminating the yard, and the craft appeared to be
about forty to fifty feet wide. While investigating the light source,
he claims he encountered two massive beings. He described them

(02:40:54):
as ten feet tall, covered in wardy greenish reptile like skin.
They had large heads and pointed, glowing yellow eyes. They
also had clawed hands. Very what's the one in Louisianah
totally blanket on the Come on, Dave, what's the the

(02:41:17):
case in the Louisiana, where the creatures had claw hands.
Oh goodness, anyways, I'll come back to it. I'll come
up with the name here in just a minute. But anyway,
so uh and they were wearing metallic suits.

Speaker 9 (02:41:35):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:41:35):
Zenfreda said that the beings moved with a heavy, lumbering
gait and emitted heat. This also reminds me of I've
got a really good friend who had an experience with
a being in the desert here in Arizona, and he
described it as very lumbering, very tall, and it had

(02:41:58):
a like a mask or something it's face to help
it breathe, with a long tube that came down towards
the bottom of its body. So the physical after effects.
When police responded, they did find that Zenfreda was in shock,
he was almost hypothermic, and his flashlight was on the

(02:42:22):
ground but it was still warm. A large semi circular
indentation was in the soil where he said the craft
had landed, and several witnesses in the town reported a
large bright light in the sky. Over fifty people were interviewed,
and the police to this day do not know how

(02:42:43):
to describe what he experienced. They do not have an
explanation for it. Later, he went under some hypnosis and
recalled being taken aboard to craft, seeing advanced technolog seeing
a sphere of light which was used for communications. The

(02:43:05):
beings called themselves the Dargos, and they were from planet Etonia.
They said they had no intention to harm him, they
were observing human behavior and they wanted him to serve
as a contactee. He had continued ten more additional encounters

(02:43:26):
between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty. Those included telepathic communications,
lost time, a claim that beings wanted him to return
to them voluntarily. This is also very similar to the
Woody Derrenberger experience with Injured Cold, a device that beings

(02:43:47):
allegedly gave him which later disappeared. Also very similar now
to Betty and Berney Hill, where Betty was given a
map but then it disappeared. Repeated sightings of the craft
Honor near his patrol routes. People actually reported that he
would disappear for some period of time and then show

(02:44:12):
up and just be very confused and not knowing really
you know, where he was or what he had been doing,
you know, in the time that he was missing. So
it's a very interesting case. And uh, yeah, I still
can't think of the name of the one in Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (02:44:35):
The only thing I can when they can think of
is the Kentucky Goblins.

Speaker 4 (02:44:41):
Now this, I guarantee you that.

Speaker 8 (02:44:45):
What's that come up with the name here? You're like, oh, yeah,
but let's see us.

Speaker 1 (02:44:53):
Yes, not the folk monster?

Speaker 8 (02:44:57):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (02:44:58):
Not the folk monster? No, that's more of a big foot.

Speaker 8 (02:45:02):
This was the there like two guys they were fishing
on the gulf in Louisiana. The craft came up to them.
These two like they had like pointy things coming out
of the side of their head. They hoveled, they hovered
out of the craft up to them, carried them or
floated them onto the craft. They had they had claw

(02:45:23):
like fingers. Uh, it's uh, it's totally eluding me. Uh
the name, the name of the case. But yeah, And
as I'm trying to type and talk at the same time.

Speaker 1 (02:45:45):
Oh, that's all right, we got five minutes to go here,
I got one here for you. Okay, This one heck
happening here in Canada. Yeah. Two commercial pilots flying near Thompson, Manitoba,
reported encountering a pair of bright, fast moving objects that

(02:46:05):
ascended and vanished instantly. NAV Canada, which for our American
friends is like your faa okay. NAV Canada logged the
case and local residents reported seeing unusual lights around the
same time. Atmospheric explanations haven't been matched that haven't matched

(02:46:25):
the described behavior. Canadian researchers note the area has a
long history of strange sightings, including radar anomalies, dating back
to the nineteen seventies. You know, the reason why this
story sticks out for me, Josh, is because I remember
having a conversation with lou Elizondo and there was a

(02:46:49):
texting conversation about this, and I remember saying to him,
you know, I'm in Canada, man like, where should I look?
Where should I look? And he typed back two words,
watched Manitoba. Manitoba over the years has had numerous big

(02:47:10):
time sightings that go back for decades. There was an
alleged UFO crash and I believe nineteen fifty three or
nineteen fifty five, and when the Canadian military arrived, the
US military was already unseene loading the craft up, you know,
to be hooked up to a helicopter. And when the

(02:47:31):
Canadian military said you can't do that. This is our land,
this is our country. They basically said to the Canadian military,
tough beans took it. Anyways.

Speaker 8 (02:47:41):
Is that the Falcon Lake incident?

Speaker 1 (02:47:43):
No, No, this was before Falcon Lake. You have the
Falcon Lake incident. You have the what Grant Cameron calls
the Johnny Red Star or Charlie Redstar, pardon me, the
Kecksburg case, which is an anniversary that's coming up. They
believe that that one's started over top of Manitoba, went
over the Great Lakes, and then eventually into Pennsylvania where

(02:48:07):
it crashed. They believe shag Harbor may have started in
that area and made its way across the Great Lakes
as well. There are many UFO incidents in that area.

Speaker 8 (02:48:22):
Yeah, I mean it. It's a fascinating area also geologically,
because you know, all of that area going back to
the last Ice Age was covered like you know, in glaciers.
If you don't know how the Great Lakes were formed,
you know they're mostly were carved into the ground from

(02:48:43):
these great glacier glaciers moving across the ground, and then
when the glaciers melted, they filled up with most of
the runoff. So if there was a civilization that predated
the the Last Ice Age, as a few other folks

(02:49:04):
have alluded to. Maybe you know, they they were they
lived underneath those glaciers in those areas, and so they
just kind of continued to operate in the area once
those glaciers had melted.

Speaker 1 (02:49:23):
Yeah, And and it goes right up into Hudson Bay
in the Canadian Shield, which is one of the hardest
surfaces on Earth natural surfaces that is so well.

Speaker 8 (02:49:35):
And then then you get into the whole concept of
from with the book The Smoky God, where these Norwegian
sailors supposedly found an entrance into a hollow slash inner
earth around the area of the Arctic Circle. And that's
not you know, uh, you know for Ufo Crack, that's

(02:49:58):
not too far away for things to fly or however
they get around.

Speaker 1 (02:50:04):
So yeah, it is interesting though, because there seem to
be these centralized locations for hot spots. Josh. You see
it with Moufan, where it always seems to be that
one area where they're coming in. You know, it's like
every one hundred miles or so, there's this hot spot

(02:50:26):
where people are seeing things. You know, I've lived in
two of them. When I live near you know, just
outside of Vancouver, about an hour's drive outside of Vancouver,
that was a hot spot for black triangles. Okay, where
I live now is a hot spot for people seeing UFO,
is it. Another interesting part about that is my area
is also a hot spot for meteorites.

Speaker 8 (02:50:51):
Well, you know, Arizona has the largest kind of preserved
crater from meteorite from me to right strike fifty thousand
years ago. But you're right there, there are a lot
of seemingly hotspots what John Keel often referred to as

(02:51:11):
window areas. Yes, and so you know that's actually part
of my investigation and part of my presentation that I've
made you know now a few times to move on,
as well as ons of podcasts to looking at these
you know, what I call convergences and how this phenomenon

(02:51:31):
not just UFO phenomenon, by the way, but how it
sends to be concentrated in specific areas around the world.

Speaker 4 (02:51:41):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:51:41):
I one of my very first convergences was in Wales
in the UK, identified in nineteen seventy seven. So, yeah,
in the UK has a lot of interesting activity.

Speaker 1 (02:51:54):
Josh, we got to wrap it up right there, because
it's time for us to go home for the night.
Turn it over to the next as we say hello,
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