Oct. 16/25 - UFOs at the Capital with Matt Laslo - Spaced Out Radio

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and a guy who's not afraid to put up a
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All right, let's get right to it. Matt Laslow is
an award winning journalist and founder of Askepole, bringing real
journalism back to the UFO and UAP conversation. Reporting directly
from Capitol Hill, Laslow tracks down lawmakers, intelligence officials, and
Pentagon officials who are quietly shaping the future of the

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UFO disclosure world. His fearless coverage cuts right through political
spin and secrecy, exposing the power dynamics behind the scenes
debates driving the modern UAP narrative. Through Askepole, Matt interviews
key decision makers, whistleblowers, and insiders who are changing how
the world sees UFOs, whether it's uncovering classified briefings, analyzing

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congressional hearings, or revealing how money and politics influenced the
disclosure movement. Matt brings credibility and transparency. Yeah, there's a word.
We hear a lot out of DC transparency to one
of the most complex stories of our time. Let's bring
him on in. I've wanted to interview him for a
long long time, and I'm so proud that he said

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yes to come on. Matt Laslow, Welcome to spaced Out
Radio for the first time. How are you?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I cannot wait to fall short of your expectations?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Brother, Wow, Wow, it wasn't expecting that. Now I got
to tell you man, for the last couple of years,
you have literally come out of nowhere to be a
real influential source of journalism and credibility in this UFO world.
And how did this all begin for you? Why did

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you take on the UFO subject?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Do you remember Lake? This feels like ages ago? But
what was it? Started? Twenty two three before Grush came
out with his bombshell, American airspace was invaded by a balloon,
and then so Congress because this balloon was floating from

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what they first we first heard of Atlindzo from Montana,
but then it went all the way to South Carolina
and then Congress, you know, because the American people were
flipping out. Congress had a couple of classified briefings, and
at the end of that, if you remember, the Air
Force shot down three objects that UAPs because they didn't

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know what they were. We still don't know what they
were are technically, but the Air Force didn't stop shooting
down objects because they weren't there. The Air Force stopped
shooting down random objects invading US airspace because the American
people freaked out. So I think it was like three
days in a row air Force shot down these objects

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and then they just stopped again, not because there were
no more unknown objects in US airspace, and like, take
a step back. We drop about a trillion bucks a
year on our Pentagon, and I'm like, wait, we getting
invaded by a balloon. And so then, you know, there's
all this intense pressure from the media and lawmakers and

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then everyone just went away. It happened and then it
was gone. But then David Grush dropped his bombshell. I
believe that may and I was like, oh, wait, you
all haven't even finished this debate, and you guys are
trying to not have this debate that Grush just put
in your lap. And so then as a congressional junkie,

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I was like, Okay, I'm gonna talk to all one
hundred US Senators about Grush's claims because you know, I'm
a professor teacher JOHNS Hopkins and some other schools. I've
been covering Congress nineteen years now. I'm a congressional yungkie.
Like most people in the press corps in Washington try
to climb the ladder to the White House. I don't

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want to cover the White House. I have for years.
But Congress is constitutionally where the power is my little
pocket Constitution. And so even though we have a terrible, derelict, lazy,
ridiculous Congress, I'd love to be that mirror that just
shows them how terrible and worthless they are. Because Congresses

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of both parties going back to the Vietnam War have
just like signed away all their constitutional powers to the
executive branch, and they basically just have tried to wash
their hands and say like, oh, it wasn't me. No, no, no, Congress,
how are the persons you power over the pentagon is you.

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So no, I'm not going to let you get away
with shirking your responsibility. And so that's where it was
fun going up to each one of them and asking
not so much about David Grush's first claim, because I'm like,
all right, you can either prove or disprove that there's
recovered crafts or biologics. It was David Grush's second claim

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that really woke me up, and that's the one I
brought to lawmakers because his second claim was, Hey, they
are these special access programs or SAPs that even though
they're funded by you, Congress, because all funding has to
come from Congress, they are hidden from you. And so
it was fun to go up to all one hundred

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senators and just be like, hey, why are you terrible
at your job? Because to date, even though Grush testified
publicly in the House, to date, Congress has not refuted
David Grush. He might be a pinata, there might be
leaks about him, and then he's actually a congressional staffer
these days. But as much as he's been derided, nobody

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has come out and been like, hey, this guy's full
of it. Here's X Y and C. Boom and refute Nope.
In fact, in this Congress, they just don't even want
to talk about the issue, not because they've answered anyone's questions,
but because they just want to move on, which gives

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us all more questions.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
How have you found covering this subject of UFOs. I'm
still a UFO guy. I haven't switched over to UAP.
Refused to because I've had too many people on the
inside tell me UAP or man made objects that we're
covering as UFOs, you know, So I'm wondering, how have
you found covering this?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
People always call me on on this. In Washington, I
use UAS. On mandarial system, I use drone because at
least specifically on Capitol Hill, they won't talk about a UFO.
They'll rule my their eyes if I bring up UFO UAPH.

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The last Congress they would talk about it a little bit,
but now they won't. But they'll talk about drones over Langley.
But I'm like, wait, if the Pentagon tells Virginia's senators,
one of them who's the vice chair of the Senate
Intelligence Committee, Mark Warner, if they tell them for a year,

(10:26):
two years running, that hey, we have no idea what
shut down Langley Air Force Base for seventeen days. Cool,
y'all can call it a drone swarm, but that's a
UAP or UFO swarm. And so I use all the
terms interchangeably because my subjects do.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
So what is the attitude, the real attitude of this
subject on the hill? Okay? Because for many of us
who are on the outside, me in a different country,
you know, the kind of the attitude that I see
of it in looking at it from a branched out
point of view, is that you have this little conspiracy

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club that is there to try and take advantage of
bringing this subject out. But they're made up of a
lot of congressional people who don't have as much pull
as others do. Is it to keep these people busy
or is there a genuine interest within Washington, d C?
To find out what these are?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well, so it's actually funny that you said conspiracy club.
Very well put. Professor Laslow gives you a plus on
the federation there. But the first piece that I did
on UAPs was for Wired magazine or I'm a contributor,
and it like they work at magazine speed. So everyone

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else had already done their David Grush story like a
week or so later, after I already did twelve or
fifteen whatever interviews with wallmakers, finally got the commission from Wired,
and everyone else had done this story, so I had
to do it at the magazine angle. So that first
piece really ticked off UFO x UFO read it because

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that Wired piece put this issue within the context of
this very conspiratorial congress where we have anti vaxx, there's etc.
Some of those same people were the ones who were
leading on this issue, and so initially when that piece
dropped the entire UAP community UFO community, it just felt

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like they were just beaten up on me, like how
dare you mock us? Blah blah blah. And I'm pretty
sure it was Dean Johnson. Like part way through the
day after there's hundreds of tweets at me, someone just
literally strips my voice out of my Wired piece, and
I'm pretty sure it was Dean Johnson. He's just like, hey, guys,

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we have nine different federal lawmakers discussing our issue in
this piece, like literally democratic leadership. That's uh. And they're
just like, wait, no one in power ever discusses these issues.
And so that's where you know, I've been retweeted by
AOC that was Vice News correspondent, uh when they got

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into power, so we joked that I was the squad
correspondent for Vice. So like, AOC's retweeted me, Omar and
all of them. Matt Gates, he's retweeted me from my
drug coverage, all that, and then quick aside, you see
the most disgusting and disheartening parts of the Internet. When
either Matt Gates or AOC retweets, you just get You

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see their rape threats that they get, death threats that
they get, like that's the internet they live in. So
everyone's just like, please be better. I could be an
angry jerk on line, but please remember these politicians do
listen to you all, so yeah, be intense, get at them,

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make your point. Maybe don't drop the f bombs especially,
don't do rape threads. But anyway, all that to say,
when I've been retweeted by these big million follower accounts,
I would never see a big spike in my followers.
When I did that Wired piece putting the UAP issue

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in the Conspiratorial Congress is I literally saw like three
thousand new followers, and I had owned ask apole dot
com for years, and I was like, wait, wait, wait,
I'm gonna deploy this and test this out in this
community because I've never seen this movement. I'm like, hey,
let me take their questions and take them to their lawmakers.

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And seems to be working because y'all make me look smart.
Keep the questions coming. But to get back to your
actual question there, this Congress is different and I'm still
trying to figure out. And if anyone out there knows,
please let me know. I'm on all the encrypto apps

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you can find me. Dms are open. But there was
a change from the one hundred and eighteenth Congress, the
last congress where we had David Grush testify publicly in
twenty twenty three. Then at the end of that Congress,
Senator Jilibrand she had a public UFO hearing in the Senate.

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I know Jill Brand gets a lot of flat from
the community, but everyone take a step back. The United
States Senate had a public UFO hearing. Now in the
one hundred nineteenth Congress, I can't get a single US
Senator except for US. I can't get a single US

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Senator to even talk about the issue on Mike and
so with Trump's reascension, for lack of a better term,
into office, I can't tell like that has changed the
mood throughout Washington. Even milk that wasn't politicized before it

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is now politicized, you know, like sidewalks are now politicized
in DC, and so like, I can't tell if it's
just those hyperpartisan And I would even argue Professor Waslow
would argue hyper tribalistic now because we have more of
a warring mentality as opposed to disagreement of ideas, which

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I would say is hyperpartisanship. Sorry, I digress. And so
again I'm trying to figure out what changed. But with
Republicans getting swept into power and having House, Senate and
the White House, one different thing we saw with Republican
leaders is at least according to UAP Caucus co chair

(17:13):
timber Chet, he tells me that the UAP Caucus is
effectively dead for all practical purposes. He's like, no, that's
now the Secrets Task Force. And I probably get a
little controversial here. I see this Secrets task Force as
Republican leader or pardon me, just party leaders. This isn't

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a partisan issue. It just seems like party leaders gave
this topic the biggest eye roll they could. And you know,
because party leaders didn't care, like the UAP caucus had
to fight to get crushed and they had to fight
to get skip briefings in the last Congress, and they

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fought and won a lot of those battles. So when
this Congress starts, what do the same party leaders do.
They don't empower the UAP Congress. They don't give them
a select committee like they'd been asking for, and a
select committee comes with a budget, subpoena, power, etc. Et cetera.

(18:21):
In actual staff, like David Grush, he's hired personally now
by Congressman Burlison from Missouri, which is a beautiful little workaround. Again,
covering Congress nineteen years, I've never seen a committee or
a person on a committee hire one of the whistleblowers.

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It'd be like the Armed Services Committee hiring Edward Snowed.
You know, it's just kind of like unheard of. And
so you know, they have been smart if they've had
like play within the bounds, But it kind of feels
like everything was set up against the secret Staak force

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because again, you have party leaders who I roll the
UFO issue. What do they do instead of just a
select committee focused on that or all these drone incursions,
your phote incursions, instead of that, what do they do?
They take these lawmakers who are kind of more fringe

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Freedom Caucus folks, and they empower them to tackle every
conspiracy ever known to America. Literally JFK conspiracy RFK, MLK
junior COVID nineteen. The origins of nine to eleven party
leaders did not expect answers on eighty ninety maybe ninety

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five percent of the issues in front of the Secret
SaaS Force, which makes me think this PEA caucus was
kind of duped again. Please prove me wrong, anyone on
the Secret task verst or Uapea caucus, Please prove me wrong.

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But what do we see in the first secret Task
Force meeting? Numerous issues were discussed, not UFOs.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Right. I want to cut you off right there, and
I apologize. We got four minutes ago before we have
to go to break what is matt, this secret caucus
when it comes to UFOs, what is that?

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, so the secrets, I think the official name is
the Task Force on the Declassification of Secrets, So big
wonky Congressional name. Like, in one sense, it does make
sense because or in this period where people are, you know,
across party lines, we're questioning vaccines. So yeah, like, let's

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get down to the science and really discuss that. That's
not what the Secret Task Force is doing. If anything there,
we'll see, we'll see, I'll shut up a little bit
right there. We'll see. The ball's definitely in their court.
But well, so here when I talked to Republican senators

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about the Secrets Task Force, so cener Mike Rounds, who's
the ua PDA, He's the co author with Schumer on
the UAP Disclosure Act. When I first brought up it
was a few months into the new Congress. I informed
him about the Secrets Task Force. If this task force
was meant to really give US answers on all these secrets,

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you'd think some US senators would have heard of it. Nope,
first time US sendors heard of it was made an
ask a Pole pushing him on it. When I brought
it up to Mike Browns, he listened to it. We
put the full audio out at ask a Pole UAPs
dot com. Rounds just giggles in their faces, and I'm like, wait, sir,

(22:08):
and he goes, no, no, no, this is great, keep them busy.
So literally from a senior Republican US senator, you kind
of get the mind of Republican leaders in the House
where he's like, no, keep these fools busy, because you know,
senators hadn't heard of the Secret Task Force. Most House

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members when I asked them even about the UAP hearing
a week after it, they didn't hear about it at all.
And so Secret Task Force now really has to wrestle
with this. They have been relegated to the wastebind of Congress.
And that's why we see someone like Jasmine Crockett, you know,

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a firebrand Democrat who goes viral all the time. She's
like far left. There's a reason. And before when Robert
Garcia was the ranking member, before he got propelled to
ranking member of the entire Oversight Committee, one of his
staffers was like, no, no, no, Jasmin kroct will never

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get it. One of Garcia's staffers literally lacked her off,
and then she got ranking member. That's because Garcia doesn't
take her seriously. And that means the party, whether it's Democrats,
because Garcia is only empowered by Democrats. His party doesn't
take it seriously, and we know Republicans aren't taking it seriously.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
So basically, what they're doing with about less than a
minute to go here, let's say thirty five seconds, is
they're just coming together, hanging on out, talking about some
fun subjects, but really it's not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Well, this were on Constant Devil's Advocate. No, we've seen
especially with Tulci Gabbard as OD and I Director of
National Intelligence. She's released it seems like some new previously
classified stuff on JFK. Seems like we're gonna get some
new stuff on I forget it. During government shutdowns, the

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prescourt works twelve and fourteen hour days from a little
fried But yeah, they're they're very active, and they would
say they're making headway. And especially on the UAP issue,
Congressman Burlison has proven himself really hold.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
That thigh death hold that thig. Matt Laslow from ascotpol
UAPs dot com is our guest when we return more
on what Washington, d C. Really thinks about UFOs from
the man himself, we'll bring him back here momentarily. All right,

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I could I could do probably a week's worth of
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Speaker 2 (25:23):
I'm enjoying it. How much longer? On this break?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
We got about four and a half minutes. I'll put
you in the green room. There you go. All right.
How's that for a start, people, How's that for a start?
This is a great show so far. One thing I

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with us tonight breaking down everything that is happening in Washington,
DC on the UFO subject of Matt. We are so
delighted to have you here. Thank you for coming on in.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Hey pleasure, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
We have seen a lot of discussion and debate with
these whistleblowers that are allegedly coming out. Now, one of
the things that I brought up to my audience, I'm
curious to your opinion, outside of maybe David Grush, have
we really had true whistleblowers come out other than experiencers said, Hey,

(32:10):
I was out for a smoke break on base and
all of a sudden I saw a black triangle above me.
I mean, that's just an eyewitness account. Why do we
keep trying to push them as whistleblowers.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well, this is the thing that I'm pushing the Secrets
Task Force on because again, this is a weird Congress.
Just it's night and day from the last Congress. But
I'm like, wait, after this last hearing, we had Congressman
Brothers and tell us that ask a pouap that hey,

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if these whistleblowers aren't going to come and talk to us,
then Wil subpoena them, And I was like, wait, wait, wait,
didn't a lot of that hearing focus on whistleblower protections.
And then also in the past Congress, I believe for
some reason, the number forty sticks out in my mind,
but I know it was dozens, you know, as in

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more than one dozen, But there were dozens of whistleblowers
who were knocking on at least the Senates door because
they didn't trust Aero. And so I'm like, wait, wait, guys,
why are you threatening subpoena these people who are either
prayed for theirifications, lives, families. You know, we saw Rush's

(33:32):
medical history, you know, disgustingly. You know, they tried to
use it as a negative that he had mental health issues.
I had mental health issues, and I'm a professor at
some of the nation's top schools Hopkins, Boston University, et cetera.
So you just saw the Pentagon and these people go
to the lowest they could go, especially knowing that the
Pentagon the number is wrong, but the number is what

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twenty one suicides a day, and you have people in
the Pentagon leak mental health issues about a whistleblower, Like
that's disgusting and so shame on all you. Why isn't
this Secrets Task Force talking about that? Instead they're threatening
folks like Crush with subpoenas, and I'm like, wait, wait,

(34:20):
why don't you give them a safe space, whether that's
initially a skiff, gain their trust, and then maybe convince them, hey,
you have an important story to tell the nation, you know,
maybe do it dark screen or whatever, blackout their face
if needed. And that's where like, it feels to me

(34:42):
like they're people with a lot more stories to tell,
whether true fake. That's not for me, but they have
stories they want to tell, and it doesn't seem like
the US government has created that space for them, whether
that's Congress itself, Lord knows Arrow, and it does seem

(35:05):
like Arrow under now in the post Kirkpatrick e era,
they have taken the issue more seriously, and it seems
like some whistleblowers who reach out to me do trust
them more. But we'll see if Arrow can ever overcome,
for one, the fact that they're in the Pentagon, and

(35:29):
so Arrow is only ever gonna be as good as
what they're allowed to see, and the top brass is
in control of what they see and what they can
tell us, and so knowing that they're what their puppet
master is, the Pentagon top Brass. There's a strong argument

(35:49):
to be made that putting Arrow within the Pentagon was
a mistake from its inception, but the jury's still out
on that. It seems like any community, you know, Jerry's
already rendered its verdict, and that might have crippled Arrow
because the community.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Distrusts Arrow so deeply. It just might be useless. They
might have to do away with it. But we'll see
under who's the new guy is it?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Phillips? Tim Phillips, Timothy Phillips. He does seem to have
He seems to, for one, take the issue more seriously,
and he seems to allow and I'm not defending him
or Arrow, but he does seem to allow. How do
I put it? Under Kirkpatrick, he just talked about, look,

(36:47):
we know what this stuff is, you morons. We know
what this is. And it's like, cool, bro, nobody cared
about this stuff that you can prove. We care about
the stuff in Europe bort that you can't prove or disprove,
you know. And I think in their last report under Kirkpatrick,
there were still a couple of hundred objects that they

(37:08):
couldn't identify, and he just wanted to talk about the
five hundred or so that they could. It's like, shut up, bro,
Like you were having a different debate than anyone else.
And I think it's called wagging the dog. And so
that's where Phillips was. He's got a little more stru us. Wait,

(37:29):
let me rip on Kirkpatrick a little more nobody forget
this when like, I think my last interview with Senator
Mark or Rubio before he became Secretary of State Mark
or Rubio, and I covered him for years. I covered
him before he even got to Congress for w LRN,

(37:51):
Miami's NPR station, and so him and I have known
each other for since before he was in Congress. And
so he just like looks at me one day. He's
always because I covered him for Playboy Rolling Stone covering cannabis.
He would always look at me and be like, are
you gonna ask me a marijuana You're gonna ask me
a pop question? Met, And that's why I always like

(38:13):
to throw him for loops. And I was like, Sir,
I'm gonna ask you you a fo question. He goes, no, no, no,
give me a pop question. Give me a pop question.
But Rubio one of the last things he told me
before he became Secretary of State was a Kirkpatrick like
he was so frustrated, and go ask a Pole and
listen to the interview because it's so telling because Rubio

(38:38):
is like so frustrated that I'm even asking him these
questions because he's like, that's why we created Arrow, and
you kind of get this glimpse into the Senate thinking
around Arrow, which, to me, in that interview, what Rubio
was saying is hey, us to the Senate, like the
issue finally rose to the search enough, our constituents were

(39:02):
talking about it big enough presence online, like we had
to deal with it, and to deal with it, we
created Arrow because we didn't really want to deal with it.
We wanted to outsource our thinking. So like Arrow, to me,
feels like the Senate outsourced it's thinking on UFOs And

(39:23):
that's where Rubio was so pained because he's literally like,
I don't want you to be asking me these questions.
We literally set up this agency to answer those questions,
and like it's literally like, oh, we washed our hands
of this. Well, no, you thought you did. But Kirkpatrick
failed his most simple mandate from the Senate. And if

(39:46):
you go back and listen to those interviews, it was Rubio.
Senator Rounds was also frustrated and just kind of laughed
off Kirkpatrick. Senator Jillibrand she's a little more like Arrow
seems to really be her baby, so she seems to
really coddle it and really have hope that you know,
this ugly toddler can one day walk. I was like, ma'am,

(40:11):
kid ain't doing so well right now, and so she'll
be a harder one to dislodge. But that also means
she's got a seat at the table. So folks like
Phillips and Kirkpatrick really do listen to her, so that
empowers her and so yeah it, but yeah again, listen
to those interviews at a bye Senator Bipartisan just took

(40:35):
a big dump on Kirkpatrick's head. And so then to
see him out there talking to my colleagues and you
know the MSM or mainstream media and seeing him on
this revival tour, it's like no, no, no, no, you failed, Kirkpatrick,
Like you don't get a platform like, oh I see
you providing what was two dozen sources to the Wall

(40:59):
Street Journal for that big deep dive they did. And
I trust the Wall Street Journal, they do great reporting.
I'm like to get that article out and to have,
as they say in the piece, two dozen sources. It's
mind bending until it's not, because it's like, wait, how

(41:21):
could you get two dozen people to say this? Well,
if they're Kirkpatrick's boys and girls, well they're gonna carry
the party line. So and even like that whole piece,
I'm like, yeah, I could see the Air Force doing
a siop on top of a syop on top of
a siop, like we're America, Like that's what you do

(41:47):
as what we do too? Well?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Right? I do want to ask you though, and we
have to make a correction here. Doctor John Koslowski is
the head of Aero. Now that we mentioned Tim Villa,
but no, it's doctor John because LOSK. Phillips was underneath
was underneath uh Sean Kirkpatrick. The dislike for doctor Seankirkpatrick

(42:12):
is very prevalent in the UFO world. We've heard Nancy
mask go Adam, We've heard Anna Paulina Luna call him
a liar. We've heard some very distasteful comments. So we
don't usually hear about program heads. Why has there been
such public vitriol for Kirkpatrick and Kazlowsky really flies under

(42:33):
the radar.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
But because Kirkpatrick is in abject failure like twinn Plank,
he failed at his most basic duty, which according to
Senator Round Julibrand, because under Kirkpatrick's tenure is the head
of Arrow. You literally had whistleblowers going to us senator's offices,

(42:59):
and that's telling they weren't going to House member's office.
Some did and some gain trust there, but you kind
of had what felt like a flood. And I think
that's where I got the dozens or forty. It seemed
like there was a lot of whistleblowers lining up at
senator's offices. And that's where rounds oh wait, because before

(43:20):
Rubio went to become Secretary of State, I believe it
was maybe last fall or something, but you had a
series of interventions. Should I call him? But Senator Jillibrand
she went to Arrow, had a one on one meeting

(43:41):
with Kirkpatrick, aunty him. She would do it gently, but
being like, hey, whistleblowers to come to us, they don't
trust you. Well, then you also had Senator Round the
APDA CO author with Schumer, he went and had a
one on one sit down. This is literally, instead of

(44:01):
Kirkpatrick going to the principal's office, the principal went and
visited the naughty pupil. Well. So then not just Jilibran,
not just rounds one Democrat Warner Republican. Then you had
a bipartisan meeting with then Intelligence Committee Senate Intelligence Committee

(44:23):
Vice Chair Mark Warner and her chair Mark Corner vice
chair Rubio. The two of them had his one on
one meeting with Kirkpatrick where they presented the same stuff. Literally, Warner,
who have known for years covering him for Virginia Public Radio,
Warner literally cared less about this issue. Warner literally just

(44:48):
wants Matt Laslow to stop asking about this issue, which
is why he went down to Kirkpatrick's office to be like, hey, bro,
you are failing. And so Kirkpatrick had a meeting not
just the principle, but the principle and the vice principal,
like he's an abject failure, and like, shame on my

(45:09):
colleagues in the mainstream media, like no wonder no one
believes us. We fail at the most simple tasks. For one,
why isn't anyone asking about American airspace being invaded by
a balloon that just happened a couple of years ago. Oh,
a year ago, we had over the now Presidents Country

(45:32):
Club in New Jersey, UFOs that were in that sensitive airspace.
Oh and where else were the UFOs over Jersey? Also
over two different munitions depots. The munitions depots is kind
of gone speak for bombs, the bombs that were giving
to Israel, the bombs that were given to Ukraine, the

(45:53):
missiles those are being made in Jersey and other spots,
and they were their airspace invaded by UFO or they
would say drones, And like this is where I still
think the Secret Task Force, it's just they they don't

(46:15):
care enough about this issue because even though it's a
non partisan issue, historically that kind of changed and the
lead up to the last election, but the uap Caucus
was able to keep that at bay a little bit.
Congressman Garcia kind of tried to throw it in as
a wrench, Like I asked him about the UAPDA and

(46:37):
then he was like, oh, I'm gonna introduce it. So
he introduced it kind of as a few to the
other party. And the lead up to the election, right,
besides that, it wasn't It's always been this non partisan
issue they like with So with Congressman Luna, especially as

(46:57):
the chair, I'm like, hey, look at ascopoll dot com.
We have like I think it was Luna who introduced
impeachment articles against former DHS Secretary Alejandro Maorcis. Well, ma'am.
Senators Corey Booker from New Jersey, Senator Andy Kim from

(47:19):
New Jersey, Congressman Frank Polone from New Jersey, all Dems, Oh,
Chris Smith, Republican from New Jersey, all of them. I
don't know if Smith was on the call, but they
all had a classified call with May Orcis at the
end of last year around the election, maybe a little
after the election, because the East Coast was on fire

(47:42):
with drone fever UFO fever, because their airspace was regularly
getting invaded by craft that the US government had no
idea what they were, at least according to what they've
told us and told these United States Senators. So I'm like, hey,
a Congressman Luna, you wanted to impeach my Orkis, why

(48:05):
not have a hearing with my Orkists? Bring Senator Booker,
bring Andy Kim and be like, hey, Mayorcis told you
this under oath that when he was DHS secretary, he
literally told Congress, we have no idea what's invading US airspace. Well,

(48:26):
and Trump becomes president first couple of weeks in office,
I think it was even first week. You add, why
does press secretary come out and say, oh, guys, nothing
to see there. FAA knew what was going on all along.
If the FAA knew what was going on all along,
my Orcas should be in jail because he lied to

(48:47):
US senators. Congressman Luna, I just did your far right
work for you, literally, like, do it do that hearing
crucify my orcists? Or maybe Majorcus was telling the truth
and the US government has no idea what they are.
But it's easier to say, oh, if AA had it,

(49:11):
and then just go on to the next thing on
Trump's list, which they have effectively done. So yeah, again,
I would call on members of both parties keep the
partisan bs out. But if you want to bring the
partisan bs to this game, I'm going to outpartisan you
because literally, right may Orcus should be in that chair

(49:33):
under those lights and we might learn something.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Let me ask you, do you think then there is
a category of people elected officials or even intelligence officials
that are trying to bury this subject back under the rug.
And it's not maybe because they don't believe in the
UFO slash UAP phenomena, but it is because it is

(49:59):
putting a shot light on American technology that has been
created like Lockheed Martin, Skunk Quirks, you know, Boeing, Skunk Quirks,
McDonald Douglas and ray Theon and all of these companies
that are trying to propel the military industrial complex into
the next century already.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
And that's where the public hearing they just had was
so almost illuminating, for lack of a better term, but
it was like, whoa, whoa. It seems like the consensus is,
at least from that hearing, that these secrets are held

(50:42):
within the military industrial complex. Yeah, it could be a
Department of Energy. But I'm like, Okay, after that hearing,
let's say, hey, there's a lot of focus on these
That's where I'm like, Congress, why not forget the lawmaker?
But there might be a bill or maybe lawmakers are
discussing maybe doing a bill. But I'm like, wait, wait, wait,

(51:05):
if the military industrial complex even though they get hundreds
of billions of our taxpayer dollars annually, if they can't
be subpoenaed just like Pentagon officials can, then there's a
problem in the system because the military industrial complex, as
Homeboy President Eisenhower worn like he was a prophet, because

(51:29):
now you can't tell where the Pentagon starts and the
military contractors start, like they are interwoven together. And so
that's where Okay, Congress, like you're in control. And also
why would Congress ever take testimony from someone who they

(51:55):
couldn't punish, Like, I just don't get it. I don't
get today's policymakers allow themselves to be neutered again. The
Constitution makes you guys king and queen like they don't
have a king in queen. In America, we lost a
lot of blood fighting the Red Coats, and now we

(52:17):
have a Congress that just like bows down and gives
the White House all their power. No, no, no, Like
my life goal is to make Congress, which is supposed
to be the voice of us the people, right, especially
the House of Representatives, the rowdy, rowdy House, that's the
branch that's closest to us the people like go pull

(52:39):
of Jesus flip over some tables in the temples, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
But but do they want this subject gone? Do they
want it back under the carpet.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
It seems like it, and it seems like they're being
effective at it, because the Secrets Task Force is a
laughing stock. Like literally, when you had the David Grush
hearing in twenty twenty three, it blew my mind because
I just randomly ran into Burchette at right ahead of
the hearing and we walked around. This is the oldest

(53:13):
House office building, so it's huge because it was mentally
in house the entire Congress. Well since then Congress Crew,
the House Crew now it's four hundred and thirty five members.
Back then it was a couple of hundred, I believe. Well,
so that Rayburne House Office Building is just expansive and
massive because when it was built, that was supposed to

(53:35):
house all of the US House of Representatives. So the
hall's just going forever. I walked with Burchette as he
said hi to everyone and this hall and down another,
then down another, like I covered the MLB Major League
Baseball steroid hearings where you had all these dream Madonna's

(53:57):
except go Cubs, Sami, but all the you know him,
Mark MacGuire, Conseco, they all testified on Capitol Hill. I
think I'm the same floor as where that I don't
think the same room, but same floor as where that
hearing was. And that was the some of our nation's

(54:19):
biggest sports icons, biggest stars. The line outside was nothing
like It was just unmemorable compared to the UFO line.
And that's where the public folks were juiced. And coming
out of that hearing, you had aoc uh tell us, Hey,

(54:41):
David Grush seemed credible. I have a lot of questions
for him and his skiff. Same with Jamie Raskin, who's
now the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, who
had one of them keeps and towns against Trump.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
And let's let's go to Brank Matt Lanslow. We have
him for another hour from asketball. You have UAP dot Com.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
This is faced Out Radio with Hopes Dave Scott.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
He's reminding me I should scoop ASKAPULLUFO dot com.

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Speaker 6 (57:05):
Us us.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
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Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
What else do we have here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I think we're caught up there perfectly one minute ago.
Thank you tonight to Pam Harris, Kurt w Area fifty

(01:00:43):
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going to try and squeeze in some questions in the
second half of this hour coming up. I know there's
some good ones. You guys got some great ones in there,
so we'll get ready for Matt. Our story is always
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(01:01:06):
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you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Miserable? But that's on me for becoming a congressional reporter
two decades again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
We're coming back in seven seconds, rich buddy. Nice to
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And roll right.

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We're gonna get more into that here momentarily, but first
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(01:02:43):
the UFO UAP story in Washington, DC. His website askapull
UAPs dot com. Matt, thank you so much for being
here and we really appreciate your knowledge tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Thanks for having me. This is a blast. How does
that My pup is loving it? See him on the couch.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
What kind of dog do you have there?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
So he's a rescue, he's half black lab and then
I say he's half wool. He is a rescue from
the Flathead Reservation in Montana. By way of a Colorado journalist.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
He's my heart, beautiful, He's my guy. Love it, love it.
We love our animals around here. I want to ask
you this before we get too deep in how does
NASA get off Scott free on this subject?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Hey, my frustration with the new NASA chair is he
is not Bill Nelson. And again, as I said with Rubio,
I covered Congress for South Florida well w LRN and Miami,
and then also WFSU in Tallahasse's like I knew Senator Nelson. Well,

(01:03:57):
and the crazy thing about NASA Administrator Bill Nelson is
he was a Senator for so many years. You could
just see him walking about the capital alone with no
security detail, or he'd be giving a tour of the
Capitol to a bunch of astronauts. And it was just
I miss the access I had with Bill Nelson. Now, Duffy,

(01:04:21):
we know each other. I don't think we really respect
each other too much. We're both like bros and our
own respective lanes, but we know each other enough. I
just haven't seen him at the Capitol, so I haven't
had access to him to get questions off. And because

(01:04:42):
his plate is so full, because he's also Transportation Secretary
or FAA Secretary something, I'm curious how much attention he's
actually giving to NASA, let alone an issue like this
that seems to be very low on the backing order,

(01:05:06):
well at least publicly, of yeah, issues that NACA deals with.
And so I'm open to see Duffy soon and to
ask that question, But as of now, a lot of
these and I also have a lot of questions for
again Dni and Tulca Gabbard, who I know from covering

(01:05:26):
Congress and Rubio. Again, I just haven't had access, but
I'm curious, especially knowing their interest in issues. And take
a step back now that I've changed the subject to Tad,
but I'm very curious what the dialogue is behind the scenes,

(01:05:48):
and so I could be wrong. In the Secrets Task Force.
They could be because Tulsi Gabbert is an ally of
Congress from the Luna and others on their right, and
we've seen Tolsi Gabbert released previously classified information on the

(01:06:08):
JFK finals or whatever, just straight to Luna, and it
seems she had a hiccup yesterday or whatever releasing some
new Russian finals that I guess they got, but it
seems like those were coming through through od and I's office,
And so there could be amazing disclosure on the horizon that,

(01:06:30):
like maybe the secretsask for slash UAP caucus is now
the best poker players in the world. Maybe they're keeping
their cards very close to their chest and they're about
to drop something, But I have not seen any signs
of that right still still knowing that Tulsi and Marco

(01:06:53):
for lack of the last day, it seems like there
could be some backdoor chat with this congrus and with Duffy.
So that's why as a reporter, I don't presume anything.
But no one's given me any hints of that. It's
just been a big hope of many in the community,

(01:07:15):
and I haven't seen anything to disprove that it might
be coming right again again. The secret SaaS Force didn't
even bring up UFOs in their first meeting, which to
me speaks volumes where.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I thought this was a joke, and I think a
lot of journalists really dropped the ball on this. Was
when Bill Nelson stood up at the podium said we
got to figure out this UAP thing, and he was
adam it about, you know, finding out from the Navy,
and he talked to Navy pilots about this and it
was really interesting to him, and never once did he

(01:07:49):
bring up NASA's notes, the public videos, audios, and transcripts
where these test pilots for NASA along with astronauts had
made profound claims on recording. It's all public knowledge. Darcy
Weird did a great video documentary on this, and I

(01:08:11):
just thought, right then and there, they're playing this whole
subject for us like fools. They're playing us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
So I get it that inclination. I at no point
in time ever saw Senator or Administrator Nelson as speaking
for anyone except for Senator and Administrator Bill Nelson. The
joke on Capitol Hill was he left a lot of

(01:08:42):
his brain up in space, all right. He just was
never fully engaged, as his critics would say. And so
with what you said kind of makes total sense to me,
because we after the last hearing in September ninth or whatever.

(01:09:05):
Eli Crane, who Arizona Congressman, I believe he was Navy seal.
He so, let's aid ask a pole. He's like, you know,
I didn't believe this, but when I hear veterans, when
I hear service members tell these stories, he's like, those
are my people. And he's like, I trust them. And

(01:09:26):
so he's like, I don't know what I believe. He's like,
I don't know what we saw with that Jack dodging
or surviving a health fire and missile. He's like, I
don't know what that is. I don't know what's out there.
But I'm at the table now because of his relationships
with service members, and I think that's probably what we
saw with Nelson. Yeah, he's never gonna like read a

(01:09:51):
bunch of files or whatever. But when individual navy pilots
or astronauts tell him what they saw, I could see
that having a huge impact with someone like Nelson, and
quite frankly also with mister Duffy, who Administrator Duffy is

(01:10:13):
claim to fame before Congress was being a member of
the real world cast. And I think he's very impressionable,
at least the last time I knew him good pretty mildly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
But it seems like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Again, but again, to take a step back. That's why
these whistleblowers are so important. Like whistle blowers cut through
all the bs when it comes to those relationships with
these policymakers. And that's where seeing arrow hurt the relationship
between the government whatever that is, but the federal government

(01:10:55):
and these whistleblowers. Arrow hurt that relationship. Those whistle blowers
and sought out senators and now they're getting the Secrets
Task Force and their issues what they saw and witnessed,
what defied their computer, that defied everything that they were

(01:11:17):
trained on. It's just like been lost and now they're
just fighting to be heard and to have a safe
space to be heard, which again is why it's so
wild for me hearing people who lawmakers who care about

(01:11:38):
this issue talking about subpoenaing these folks like no, they
literally are begging you for a safe space where they
won't get retribution, where they won't be laughed at or mocked,
et cetera, et cetera. And I think that's where the
entire US government, Congress included, it's just failed, just utterly failed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
I think they have failed, and I think that they've
done it to the determents of the people who are
having real encounters, real experiences. And I come from that
not only on a journalistic level, but on a personal
experience level as well. And when I look at the
whole subject, whether it's NASA playing us for fools, whether
it's Congress, you know, using the words and to quote

(01:12:29):
tim Bershett many a time, saying we need transparency, transparency, this,
transparency that. But let's put everything in a skiff where
there is no transparency. I mean, at what point does
the public and I see it turning now, but at
what point does the public just say we're running around
in circles here, And you, as a journalist covering this,

(01:12:52):
must be seeing that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Ken and this kind of goes back to your first
question to start this wonderful interview this Congress. Yeah, like,
I'm fine being laughed at, Like I'm fine, thing to
ride it. I'm cool asking the questions no one else

(01:13:16):
is asking. Again, I've done that for a decade plus.
I'm cannabis, mask incarceration, all that I'd be the only
one asking those questions again. Rubio, Secretary of State, would
always be like, are you gonna ask me a pop question?
And I'd be like, and then whenever he would do that,
then I throw a hardball. But so this Congress, I

(01:13:41):
went up to a senator I'll say his name, Senator
Martin Heinrich on Senate Intel Committee last Congress. We talked
about Grush and he was like, you know, from what
I've seen on Senate Intel, there's no there there. He
didn't really investigate investigate it. But he's New Mexico, so
he was a little conversant on it. I go up

(01:14:03):
to him this year and he literally wouldn't even move
his lips, like I think they kind of learned that
Asket poll were Alway's recording, because we just put out
the entire interview. We literally want to take our listeners
inside the Capitol and show them, Hey, it's actually worse
than you thought. So you know, I'll get a front

(01:14:25):
row seat to uh yeah, our unrepresentative government. But again,
talking to Heinrich last year, he would talk to me,
uh this year, he shook his head and he was
just like, no, isn't my issue. So we didn't even
want to be tied to it. Same thing with Senator

(01:14:48):
Mark Horner. I've got to print it out, copy of
that June Wall Street Journal article. Then, like everyone in
the community like, take a step back. Wall Street Journals
did this huge deep that you could tell Kirkpatrick Promaro
is like the main source for that. And then again
I trust my colleagues at the Wall Street Journal. They

(01:15:09):
had two dozen sources. They dropped that huge piece in June,
and the vice chair of the Senate Intel Committee hasn't
even bothered to pick it up. What does that tell you?
Bettercal no smoking gun? If anything, that's a smoking headfake.

(01:15:32):
And so last week I printed out and gave a
copy to Senator Jilibrand she one of the few last
I checked, one of just six senators, six out of
one hundred, who's a member of both the Intelligence Committee
and the Armed Services Committee. She hadn't even read the piece,
so I handed her a copy of it. Again, with

(01:15:53):
this Congress, I'm like, hey, at least is like read
this piece. Because that Wall Street Journal piece, whether you
love hate it d that's a huge feature, a lot
of energy, a lot of time from the Pentagon and
also from the Wall Street Journal, a very moneyed, wealthy

(01:16:16):
publication with and it was I think dual bylined, like
they put a lot of resources into that, and this
Congress doesn't even wrestle with that. So like, wait, if
you're not even gonna like talk about this, read it,
there's nothing there, you know, it's like whatever Kirkpatrick and

(01:16:36):
then hope to get out of that. Senators aren't even
reading it, like senators who actually care about this issue.
At least Joe Brand she hasn't even read it. And
so it's like, how are we supposed to take it? Seriously? Again,
I would love for Luna and them to have a

(01:16:58):
hearing just on that article, because again, they've got twenty
four sources at least that they say, why has Kirkpatrick
not been brought in to testify? Like literally he's been
out there making mince meat of the UAP caucus. He's
been making mince meat of this issue as much as

(01:17:20):
he can, and he's been super empowered by my lazy,
uninquisitive colleagues in the media. He's been given this pass
because he's got these credentials. But there's no there there,
And so what does the secret task for slash UAP
caucus do? Throughout this entire Congress. They've let Kirkpatrick grow

(01:17:41):
stronger and stronger in his rumor male secret of dissent
where he's just kniving them and just undercutting them secretly. Guys,
you now have a caucus. Bring the dude in and
put him in front of the lights and do your

(01:18:03):
job as congress people, especially because he's calling you out,
Congressman Luna, like, if you care about the issue at all,
if you care about your reputation at all, bring him
in and do away with him, Obliterate him and what
he's trying to do. Or maybe he's got a point,

(01:18:24):
maybe he's right, but no, you guys won't even engage
in that conversation. And guys, guess what that conversation has
overtaken yours because before we went to the break, I
know it's here. What I was trying to say is
like this Congress, So yeah, night and day between the

(01:18:46):
twenty twenty three public David Grush hearing and the other
ones that we've seen. So after the twenty twenty three
Grush hearing, lawmakers again from AOC to the Freedom Has
Congresswoman Luna per Chet and AOC and Jamie Raskin, and
Jamie Raskin again led one of the impeachment trials against Trump.

(01:19:08):
All of them far left, far right, middle of the road.
They all came out of that hearing being like Grush
seems credible. We have a lot more questions. Need to
get him into the skiff. They were never able to
get him into a skift. But like you've felt this
energy coming out of that hearing, coming out of this
September scaring. When I asked Congresswoman Nancy Mace about the

(01:19:33):
hearing two weeks after it, because I was sick as
a dog the week of the hearing, I might have
even asked her about it the next week, but she
literally stops, She goes, wait, Matt, and she's and I
haven't even dropped the interview yet. I've been sitting on it.
Maybe I'll drop it this weekend or whatever. But she's

(01:19:54):
literally like, wait, Matt, remind me, and she goes through
and asks to sh and left no impression on her.
And she's a committee member who cares pardon me, who
cared about this issue now and she's running for governor.
She doesn't seem to care about the issue, even though

(01:20:15):
this issue is hyper local because when you have objects
flying over your house in Jersey or South Carolina or
South Carolina, when you're having a balloon get shot down
by fighter jets right off your coast after that thing
floated over your house, and you're like, wait, what do

(01:20:38):
we spend this trillion bucks on the military for? She's like, wait,
what did we learn in that hearing? And so they've
kind of become this joke to themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Let me ask you. We got three and a half
minutes before we have to go to break. Matt Laslow
is our guest tonight on spaced Out Radio. Who chooses
the people who are speaking, because it really seems like
they haven't brought in very many heavy hitters regarding this subject,
Like you said, why not bring in Kirkpatrick? Why not

(01:21:13):
bring in some of these heavyweights from these committees or
or whatever that may actually be in the know rather
than than people who are witnesses.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
The smartest thing I've seen Congresswoman slash Chairwoman Luna do
is defer to Congressman Eric Burlison on this issue. And
it kind of seems like don't usually like way in
but like Burlison's been coming up again, he hired David Crush.

(01:21:49):
That's again if the Armed Services Committee had hired Edward Snowden,
Like that's a little bit comparable. Like it just is
unheard of. And so you've had Burlison working in interesting
ways and I know the community hates it, but a

(01:22:09):
lot of times, especially because these are classified issues, sometimes
the best work is going to be done, or like
the only work that will be effectual and have meaning
on the issue might have to be classified. It might
have to be in a skiff, and it might be
years for us to learn the outcome of that, just

(01:22:30):
because the way everything stacked down. Once again, I'm like, Congress,
you can change the laws, like you guys. Again. In
twenty twenty three, at the start of the year, there
was a big debate, bipartisan debate with Senator Warner and
Senator John Cornyn of Texas about overhauling the nation's classification because,

(01:22:53):
as Cornan told me, there's literally warehouses outside of DC,
warehouses that are just filled with classified documents because our
federal government has a our federal government has to live
up to a Congressional statute that says you can't I
forget again, I'm exhausted. I can't think of the name

(01:23:15):
of it. But there's that Records Act, so they have
to you can't get rid of these records until they're digitized.
So literally, we have warehouses from warehouses of classified information
that both parties think should not be classified. We just
have a lazy, derelict Congress that's enabled by lazy, uninquisitive

(01:23:41):
corporate media. Like shame on us all sorry, they're ripping
on me and Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I understand that one all too well. We've got about
thirty seconds to go here, and you know, I do
want to try and get squeeze in some audience questions
in the next half hour, but there is just so
much to talk with you about regarding this subject, like
what is really happening in these skiffs? That is a
big one that I think I'm going to ask you

(01:24:13):
in the next half hour to kick things off, just
to keep it interesting as well. Matt Laslow from ascapoluaps
dot com. You want to check him on out. He's
one of the best vegigative journalists on this subject. We'll
be right back with more spaced out radio. Oh pardon me,
we got twenty seconds left. I read my clock wrong.

(01:24:36):
Oh that happens sometimes. That happens sometimes. But yeah, my.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Only goal in life is always making enough money to
outsource my math.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Well, in radio, we try and time things out, and
I'm still getting used to my new system here, so
I'll take blame for it. Now we're going to break.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
Nice m hm.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
M.

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Speaker 7 (01:28:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
We have about two and a half minutes, everybody. We're
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(01:28:27):
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change audience members' names and put a Merle in there.
I think that would be funny. Jeez, Matt is great
on the air. Holy cow, is he great. You know

(01:29:11):
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That's what a good journalist should do. It's not putting
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Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Thanks for putting up with me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Have you have or let me rephrase that, do you
have any inside information that you can share? Because I
know with a journal as being a journalist, there are
things you can't share about what is really going on
in these skiff conversations, because going back to what is happening,
you know when we hear the hearings are always saying

(01:32:04):
we can talk about it in a skiff. I can
mention that in a skiff, okay, And yet nothing ever
comes out of those. Have you been able to have
any personal conversations with people about that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
I think timber Chat kind of summed it up best
when he was like, he's basically saying skiffs can be
a head fake, because he's like, so, let me take
a step back. What is it? Secure compartmented information skiff facility? Anyway,

(01:32:46):
that's where lawmakers get classified info, and like us senators,
they're not allowed to have Apple watches, phones, they leave
any electronics outside of it SKIP, which I'm always like, wait,
so is my phone being hacked? I'm never allowed in
the SKIP, but it's just extra secure. And what Burchett

(01:33:11):
says is sometimes they go into the skiff and he's like,
they're telling me what the New York Times printed that morning,
and then I leave And because I signed my life
away because they literally better, lawmakers have to say that hey,
I risk or I submit to going to jail if

(01:33:33):
I discuss what's talked about in this classified setting, so
Berjet's like, wait, wait, wait, I could talk about that
New York Times article before I go into the skip,
but if the classified briefing is on that material, once
I learn about the underpinnings of that article, when I
leave the skiff, I can no longer talk about that

(01:33:54):
New York Times piece. And I'm like, that's the federal
government at work, right. They're frustrating, but they're not stupid.
Many of them might be dumb, but they're not stupid.
And so that has been kind of an interesting thing
with the UAP Caucus, which evolved into the Secret Task Force,

(01:34:17):
as you've seen them kind of learn as they go.
And I just saw someone put in the comments a
question about the FBI UFO Task Force part of these
very critical wallmakers UAP Caucus included, and part of me
is like, wait, it took you all two years to

(01:34:40):
find out that less than a mile or apart of me,
one point two miles down the road from you, in
between the Capitol and the White House, is the FBI.
Took you' all two years to find out that they
have this UFO unit within the FBI that literally we
are for chatting Luna interviews when they left that classified

(01:35:03):
briefing because their eyes were just opened Luna wanting to
replace Arrow with the FBI unit. When I brought that
up to Senator Rounds, he was like, Oh, the kids,
they just learned about that. Like, again, this is where
the Senate seems to have a lot more power control

(01:35:29):
and seems to roll its eyes a lot at what
these kids in the house are doing. Again, that's where
Burlison is kind of upending that game. But specifically when
it comes to it, I was just talking about and
what the question was raised on the FBI unit. I

(01:35:50):
think something that the Secrets Task Force, especially Luna, they
haven't wrestled with is like we get that they hate Arrow,
But if you go back to why Errow was created,
Errow was created, and it seems like they failed at
their most basic duty. But they were created to be

(01:36:10):
outwardly facing. They were created to assuage some of these
fears in the public and to give information to the
public that is not the FBI's mandate in the least.
And actually, after we broke the news of the UAP
conk as Secrets Task Force learning about this FBI UFO unit.

(01:36:35):
I got my first ever call from a federal lawmaker,
member of the House on a Friday night saying, you know,
as the story is blowing up going viral, congressman calls
me up and goes, hey, just so you know, FBI
just called me and they don't really like all this attention.
I'm like, giggle, giggle, like I don't care. You got

(01:36:58):
to put up with the FBI. Maybe one day I will, but.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Like, no, no, no, no, no, Like you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Literally, that Congressman who called me, you hit on the
problem right, because if you're in trusting the FBI now
with this the mandates changed. If you guys just want
the information, and it seems like these members really do
trust them, and you know, these members of the Secret
Task Force said that, hey, that's the I even had

(01:37:31):
videos and information that ARROW didn't have. So that's very
telling that ARROW is crippled just from its inception, whether
it's Kindagon officials top down crippling what they can and
can't see, to other agencies, even having information that AERO

(01:37:51):
doesn't have, which Kirkpatrick, what you do you failed your
first year? Oh you just study Pentagon stuff, like I
bet Kirkpatrick never reached out to the FBI, or he
at least never told us public about it. I doubt
he ever even thought of asking Department of Energy and

(01:38:14):
so like. Again, Arow is crippled very much, so if
not immobilized forever. Right, we'll see jury's still out. But
that's where kind of seeing these members their eyes slowly open. Great,

(01:38:35):
you're getting more information. Again, what do you want? Do
you guys want the information or do we go back
to aaro's initial mandate, which is to inform the public.
That's something they got to deal with, but they have
not even thought about it, as far as I can tell.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
One more question for me before I get to some
audience questions. Your thoughts on billionaire Peter Thiel, owner of Palenteer,
getting into the UFO world. We know that he is
the silent partner allegedly of Enigma Labs. We know that
he has been asked numerous times to get into this subject.

(01:39:17):
Jesse Michaels has come out and said it. Do you
think that Peter thel is playing in the UFO world,
dabbling in it much like Robert Bigelow did?

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
This is pardon me, as shows my limitations. This is
kind of my first time hearing again you're a pallenteer,
not so much Peter Thiel. That's interesting because he's been
on my radar in part because he's helped fund now

(01:39:48):
Vice President J d Vance's Senate run. At a certain
point in that campaign, they kind of it seemed like
a strategic not parting of ways, but as strategic. Hey,
I'm gonna go do my thing, You go do your thing,
and I'm actually gonna get elected with your money. We're
just not gonna talk about it. And so that's where
I'm curious about a lot of things around Peal And

(01:40:14):
like I'm a Wired magazine contributor also new media professor,
I'm very curious about Silicon Valley just generally and how
much power and clout they have predating the Trump administration
or this iteration of the Trump administration. But there's a

(01:40:35):
lot of knowledge and power and just huge, huge seismic
decisions being made about Internet connectivity, in space, all these
other things that I don't Again, I wish we had
more lawmakers asking these questions like they were in twenty

(01:40:59):
twenty three. This is a little separate, but like AOC
and kind of Mace Nancy Mace as well. The reason
they're into the issue is because of the military industrial
complex and because of their you know, distrust of all
these contractors. And so I've been let down by for

(01:41:24):
when the lack of curiosity just across Washington. But even
when it comes to lawmakers who are cuted in on
these issues, I guess there's only so much I don't know.
If I were them, I'd be asking a lot more questions.
And I've read the Constitution, I'd be demanding a lot

(01:41:47):
more answers.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Yeah, all right, let's get to some honest, some audience
questions here. Let's go and kick things off with t
Bone Matt. Representative Timbershett said, if they're out there, they
could turn us into charcoal burkettes. Why do you think
he said that? I, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Brilliant question. I do not and would I never try
to step inside the mind of Congressman Tim Burchett. He
is a beautiful entity in and of himself. Yeah, I'm
gonna I'm gonna write this down. Look for an unaskable

(01:42:35):
I'm gonna ask Congressman Burchette why he's turn us into
charcoal burkettes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
Hold me to that we could do that we could
definitely do that. Let's go to human Carl here. How
does a Congressional committee subpoenas someone when most of what
they have to say requires a skiff at security levels
that congressman members don't have.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Yes and no, this is a little bit of a
conflation of two issues. And again, and I'm with you
on this confusion. I don't get like some committees just boom,
you're under oath if you're testifying in front of it

(01:43:26):
and you have to like swear and do all that stuff.
Others don't make you do that. And I'm like, wait
for one, like, is there a legal difference between those two,
because lying to Congress is lying to Congress a subpoena
on top of that, like that's compelling someone in like

(01:43:49):
forcing them. And again't I'm kind of thinking through this
out loud because I don't if anyone out there knows
the answers to this. I've had questions telling this and
I'm constitutional junkie. I'm just very curious why Congress would
ever even allow a part of the American economy or

(01:44:13):
whatever to be outside of its own subpoena power. Like
I just don't even know how that happened or how
that could happen if I'm a federal lawmaker, and I'm
not for many good reasons. May because I don't think
I got the sport, uh, because I would literally demand

(01:44:35):
all the secrets on day one, pack my head off.
But I'm like, I just my mind cannot wrap around
how members of Congress who Again, my theory constitutionally is
that the Constitution puts Congress above the White House. And
so I'm like, Congress, you are our queen, our king,

(01:44:59):
like you have the power. How did it ever happen
over the years that you would take testimony? Well for one,
that you could like leave sectors of the American workforce
whatever outside of your purview for subpoenas. Like, I just

(01:45:21):
don't get it. But somehow we had a difference with
the January sixth Committee. There's a difference with like some
people were sent subpoenas, other people were strategically not sen subpoenas.
And like, I think to me, that just comes down

(01:45:42):
to just this.

Speaker 8 (01:45:44):
Historical decades decades long snowball, effective failure and bipartisan both
chambers of Congress, both.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Parties, have just slowly allowed their powers to a road.
I mean literally, if someone was testifying in front of
me and they weren't under oath, or they maybe thought
they weren't under oath, what are we doing? Like that's
performance hard, Like it just makes no sense to me.

(01:46:16):
And so like having someone or some group, like having
military contractors not be able to be subpoenaed by the
Congress that funds them after tax Theayer dollars is filtered
through the Pentagon, like that makes no sense to me.

(01:46:36):
And there's a bipartisan agreement that that's bs And so
I'm like, Congress, you can't fund the government. Come together
and do that, like ninety percent of you all should
at least agree to that on paper. And if you don't,
please tell that to your voters so that they can
vote you out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
All right, let's go to another question here. Let's go
to Derek here, who is asking his disclosure now more
likely to come from the United States or another country
like Russia or China or maybe a smaller country.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
I've I'm not quite given up from this beautiful American experiment.
Yet I do get comfort from this quote I use
in my main History of the media lecture, where George
Washington and I think they'll lead up to the election
of eighteen hundred. But he's like, are the reigns of

(01:47:32):
power to last much longer? So like even George Washington
was like predicting the downfall of this experiment. So like
I vacillate between this, like yeah, and again, this is
where the curiosity of Congress really matters, because I can

(01:47:57):
see a world where a lot of these objects that
we don't know could be Tony Sarks an iron man,
Like our military industrial complex as about a trillion bucks
a year to play around with. Well, they probably have
just half a trillion a year to play around with.

(01:48:19):
I imagine they have a lot of toys. And so I
think we as America, just the amount of money we
drain into the military industrial complex, for lack of a
better term, I could see us having a lot more

(01:48:39):
answers than other nations. But I'm with you all, like
I'm not holding my breath for this federal government to willingly.
But again, let's take a step back. You all. Congress

(01:49:01):
does listen to you all. They feel your pressure. And
again that's like you don't gotta curse at them, maybe
a little bit, but they hear when you all rattle
their cages. And again, I think the only reason Arrow
was built was to deflect from this community and your

(01:49:26):
guy's questions and pressure. Now it's Congress. So they flopped
and they gave you all a pooh sandwich for lack
of a better term, as opposed to like what you
actually wanted. But it gave you something, you know, and
so that's where they listen. Keep on them. Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Let me follow up with that question. Yeah, I'm just
gonna ask you point blank. Is disclosure a dead topic? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Never, because these people here, If anything, I have this again,
I'm a new media professor. I'm pretty upset right now
with Reddit because I don't know what they're thinking. When
I did my Ama asked me anything on Reddit, there
was like three point two million strong in the UFO Reddit.

(01:50:25):
Then over time, just over like two years, it climbed
up to three point eight so million. Congress sees that,
and I would argue the only reason Senator Jillibrand is
at the table on this issue is because she wants
to be Madam president. She already ran for president and

(01:50:48):
lost to mister Biden, which conversation for another day, but
she obviously has aspirations. It seems to me as a
political communications professor, that's someone in her office, possibly in
her looked at that Reddit group and said, wow, that's
three point two million votes, said no one else is

(01:51:11):
going after those. We can get some of that, And
I think she flopped. I think she totally squandered that.
But so now under Reddit's new thing, it shows on
ufo Reddit five hundred thousand views this week. You're freaking
moron for like there, I had so much power as

(01:51:33):
a reporter because there were three plus million, five hundred
thousand like Thanksgiving week? What's ufo reddit going to be
two hundred thousand? Like you literally took away the most
powerful metric that we have, at least in the press corps,
to have clout to demand answer like lawmakers. Again, the

(01:51:57):
cynicals we all are, and I call it studied in
the system. We're not idiots. Like these people have failed us.
They bly to us, even like about stupid things. For
seventy years. They've just bungled this like what I called
out uh sent an Intelligence Committee Vice chair Mark Warner

(01:52:18):
and I were on a set subway together as chief
staff for whatever's not with us, and he said hey,
just between us, and I was again and he goes,
you know, he's kind of like, hey, you come at
me hot with all these like UFO questions, And I
was like, sir ask a pol uap has h confronted eradicated,

(01:52:42):
Like we've done away with so many We've done away
with more rumors in the past two years than the
US government has in the past seventy years. And Warner
looks up at his chief staff and he goes, is
that right, And she goes yeah, because yeah, because Congress
has forsaken this community. Laughed you all while done ssiops

(01:53:06):
whether it's like if the Air Force thing, it's true? Cool,
the American government was actively lying to all of us
for seventy years. Like that's almost worse for them if
they were just like covering up aliens or whatever, Like
oh cool, So you guys were great just actively lying
to our faces. Why the heck should we believe you now?

(01:53:29):
So this is where the government is having to learn
from its own mistakes in real time because of the
pressure from this community. But you guys are on the map,
like hey, I'm a professor at Johns Hopkins University of Maryland.
Top three J schools in the US. Boston University GW

(01:53:52):
like a Trump pre secretary. I trained one of my courses.
So I'm as mainstrea him as it gets in the
press corps. I'm at the table because of you all
and Congress they're hearing, they're listening to you. Also, like
as as much as there's a lot of reason to

(01:54:13):
be not pessimistic, as as much as the reason to
be down and to feel disheartened. Ultimately, take a step back, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
We gotta wrap it up, my friend, after fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Years of silence. You guys have had so many public
hearings in the past two three years.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
People, Matt Laslow everybody our three of spaced Out Radio
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You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Is it my bedtime?

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You can head off to bed, my friend, Thank you
very much. Again, let's do it. I was great, Too
many questions, not enough time. We ran out of it.

Speaker 9 (01:55:08):
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Hey, anytime. And actually what I do with a handful
of spots because what we know Congress like, yeah, we're
going to take off Thanksgiving, or they'll be gone for
Christmas and then going to August. So whenever there's like
a holiday or congressional recess coming up, that's when I
try to stack up.

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in mind for that. We'll talk soon and I will
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Okay, And hey, I was gonna say, but we short
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Thank you see voice? Yeah, have a good one.

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Speaker 10 (02:02:37):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radios Swamp. I'm swamp
dweller in tonight, I'm going to take you on a
mystic journey of the unknown, sharing tales of monsters, legends,
and nightmares. Welcome to the spaced out Radio Swamp. This
happened when my son was four years old. My son

(02:02:57):
had never had any interest in aliens. Before this, he
had laughed at the idea whenever I watched TV programs
on aliens. One day, I'm watching a documentary on them,
and my son comes out and looks at the screen.
He starts to laugh. Okay, typical behavior for him. Then
he suddenly says, Mommy.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
They're wrong.

Speaker 10 (02:03:16):
The grays are tall and a bit blue, some of
the tiny ones are green. Though I asked him where
he learned that, as he had never been interested in them,
he told me that the man who comes to his
window at night told him. This kind of freaked me out,
and this definitely freaked his mother out. A strange man
coming to my son's window was something to worry about.

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My son had a loft bed where he slept, and
he was at eye level with the only window in
his room. I went outside and started looking for any
sign that anyone had been there. That's when I realized
just how high my son's window really was.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Off the ground.

Speaker 10 (02:03:51):
It was easily around seven foot, so this person would
have had to been seven feet tall or bigger to
look in that window. I don't see any sign of
a ladder or anything else being used. I asked my
son for more details, and he said this person was
named Philip and that he was an alien. He said
Philip wasn't his real name, and he couldn't pronounce it,

(02:04:12):
so he called him Philip. My son explained that Philip
was here studying the flora and fauna of the earth.
His word choice caught me off guard. I mean, these
are complicated words for a four year old. He'd never
used them before to my knowledge. He told me after
he saw I wouldn't accuse him of lying. He explained
that Philip was a royal family member of whose brother

(02:04:35):
had recently passed. That meant Philip was next in line
for the throne. He had never planned for this, and
it meant that he had to give up his passion
for science. Philip's family decided that he was allowed to
finish his research in plants and animals before he was
required to take the throne. This was a rather complicated
story for a small child of his age to make up.

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He added very little to the story, but said that
Philip came to him all summer and told him amazing
things about space. He even claims his friend showed him
how to solve a Rubik's cube. My son explained that
Philip never really spoke, but he would hear his voice
in his head. I figured there was no harm in
his tails, even if he was making them up entirely.

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
They were harmless.

Speaker 10 (02:05:20):
But I did check every morning to ensure that an
actual human person wasn't creeping into my son's room. I
never did see any sign of it. One night, at
the end of summer, I was woken up by these loud,
beeping sounds. I woke up my husband, thinking there was
something wrong with the central air. He gets up and
walks into the living room, and he suddenly starts calling

(02:05:41):
me and freaking out. I jumped out of bed, raced
down the hallway, and realized what's got him so freaked out.
He's standing at the front door looking into the field
across her house. I looked out after him, and all
I could see were lights. It's brighter than daylight outside.
Suddenly the lights are all just gone. In a flash
of a second, my husband claims he saw the actual ship.

(02:06:02):
I missed that part entirely. After that, my son didn't
mention Philip ever again. He's now seventeen. I mentioned it
to him in passing the other day, and at first
he didn't really seem to remember. I didn't give him
Philip's name, just the details, and suddenly he goes, oh, yeah, Philip.
He looks suddenly uncomfortable and refused to talk about it

(02:06:22):
ever again with me.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
Thank you swamp Dweller for another creepy story. If you
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here's the Wizard, say.

Speaker 2 (02:06:45):
Boss.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
Josh Rutledge is here for the UFO Report. We called
him the Wizard around these parts. Man, it was good
to finally have a good conversation with Matt Laslow from Ascapole.

Speaker 5 (02:07:10):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:07:10):
I don't know how much you caught of that, but
it was pretty impressive.

Speaker 9 (02:07:15):
Yeah, I got the tail end of it. Definitely seems
like he knows his stuff. So I will have to
go back and watch the full show at a later point,
but yeah, it was for what I heard last probably
fifteen minutes or so. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
One of the things that caught me in the attention
grabbers is the fact that he said he doesn't believe
disclosure is dead, but he believes that right now, Congress
just really doesn't have a real interest in it. Right now,
the Senate doesn't have an interest. Nobody seems to really
care about it. And there's a lot of eye rolling

(02:07:58):
going on every time this is brought up. Considering we
are in the UFO community and we are very small,
but passionate bunch about this subject, does it kind of,
you know, dampen the flame a little bit when you
know that this subject just may be for show rather
than actual interest.

Speaker 9 (02:08:18):
I mean, it doesn't dampen the flame for me, you know.
I feel like we've I feel like I'm gonna sound
like a broken record if anybody is paying attention to
my position on this. But I was not looking to
the government to to solidify for me that the phenomenon

(02:08:39):
is real. And I also think that you know, they
just continue. They six months will go by and we'll
have another hearing, and we'll have some a few more
folks on the panel, maybe some repeats, maybe it's some
new folks, but it's it's just to keep it fresh

(02:08:59):
so that they can continue to have the hearings. It's
not I just don't think we're ever gonna really get
to the point where there's gonna be meaningful disclosure from
the US government. I do not think we're ever gonna
get to you know, I'm gonna come on out to
the l a UFO show and we're gonna all go

(02:09:22):
out there and there's gonna you know, they're gonna invite
all the content creators to come out and tour the
hangar with all the craft in it and the bodies,
you know, hermetically sealed and all this like that is
never going to happen from unless something forces the US
government's hand. But even then it would have to be

(02:09:43):
something where the US government can benefit from that disclosure.
They hold all the cards, and nothing is making them
show us any of the cards. The only way to
it's gonna matter as if as if another country in

(02:10:03):
the in the world does do something like that and
they share what they have openly, come to our facilities,
you know, get a T shirt, whatever. But you know,
if that happens, I think the US government might might
pique some interest to roll something out. More than likely though,

(02:10:27):
they're just gonna trol whatever the other country is and
say it's all fake. If if if an et species
or whatever comes along and they try to force their hands,
maybe that might be enough. But I honestly this is
you know, Matt was talking about a little bit that
I heard talking about cynicism in this In this case,

(02:10:50):
I am very cynical that the government will ever do
anything that is not in the interest of the government.
And there's no value add in making this topic of
public because if they so, like I think Matt said

(02:11:11):
towards the end, you know, the bigger issue is not
that they have craft. The bigger issue is that they've
been lying to the US people for eighty years. So
if that comes out right, what can of worms does
that then open?

Speaker 1 (02:11:30):
Right? Then?

Speaker 9 (02:11:31):
When we got jfk assassination or you know, I don't
know the the time portal that's supposedly in the Vatican vault,
what does the US government know about it? Just all
the conspiracy theories that have ever existed, and a whole
bunch that will probably spin up because they will have

(02:11:54):
admitted that they've been lying for eighty years. It gives
credence to every single conspiracy theory, no matter how far
down the rabbit hole they are. So again, there's absolutely
no benefit for the US government to acknowledge that UFOs
are real. Beyond the statement that was given by the

(02:12:18):
Pentagon in twenty eighteen, You'll see, you'll continue to see
that every whistleblower or contact tee or witness that continues
to come forward from the government will be met with criticism,
disavow type comments from the US government. They're going to

(02:12:38):
continue to separate themselves from these people because again, there's
nothing for the US government to gain from disclosure.

Speaker 1 (02:12:48):
Worst case scenario, here's what I see happening, And I'm
curious your opinion. Could you imagine if you opened up
that UFO Pandora's box being comple completely hypothetical Here for
a moment, Josh, and let's say that there are people
in the US government or one of the agencies who

(02:13:10):
knows of the people who are being taken or being
affected personally by this. I mean that can of worms
alone is going to open up major lawsuits. Oh yeah,
you know, never mind, never mind, JFK or MLK or
any other of the major conspiracies that are tied to
the United States government, whether it's nine to eleven or

(02:13:32):
whatever it may be. Okay, let's just focus on this
because that UFO Pandora's box is literally going to cause
financial bloodshed for many people in Washington, DC, those who
are covering up now the reputations of those who covered
it up in the past but may no longer be

(02:13:52):
with us anymore because they've passed away. There is a
lot that could fall into the wrong hands regarding this subject.

Speaker 9 (02:14:04):
Yeah, I think that you know, there's a there's a
quote out there, and I'm going to try my best
not to butcher it, but you know, it's better to uh,
you know, be quiet and be thought a fool than
to open your mouth and remove all doubt. And that
I think it's oftentimes accredited to Abraham Lincoln. I don't

(02:14:25):
think he said it, but but yeah, I mean, it's
it's one of those things where I think, I think
that the bigger issue is that perhaps our government doesn't
know anything, and so you know that that's that's the

(02:14:49):
opposite side of what we think disclosure is right. Maybe
our government doesn't really know governments of the world. Maybe
they don't really know anything. Maybe they recovered some of
maybe they've recovered some bodies, but they've had eighty years
and they've answered zero questions.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
And so.

Speaker 9 (02:15:10):
Imagine if you are a citizen in a nation that is,
you know, of the top ten percent. Let's say, you know,
Canada and New Zealand or whatever, most of the UK,
most of Europe. If you're a citizen in inny nation
is in those areas the US, and it was to
be found out that your government has known about UFOs

(02:15:36):
for eighty years and they can do nothing to prevent
them from to your point, Dave, taking people, you know,
in some cases significantly impacting you know, their lives, whether
I you know, just be contact these or not. But
imagine that if the government were to come clean and say,

(02:15:59):
actually we know nothing. Number one, most of us probably
wouldn't believe that. But let's say that you know, they
you know, thirty people do a polygraph, everybody comes back
they know nothing. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (02:16:17):
Right?

Speaker 9 (02:16:18):
You know, you think about the way we hold our
intelligence as humans. Right, there's not a problem we can't solve.
Do I think we'll figure out anti gravity. Sure, if
it could be figured out, eventually, humans will figure it
out because we're just really good at solving problems. But

(02:16:40):
imagine you've had eighty years to research UFOs and craft
and bodies and you know nothing other than they're not human.
It's a non human intelligence. What would that say to
your people of your country? They lose faith in the government,

(02:17:03):
what little faith they probably aren't, you know, still have.

Speaker 7 (02:17:07):
That.

Speaker 9 (02:17:07):
The time for the in my opinion, the time for
the government governments of the world, mainly the US, though,
to come clean on this stuff was probably like my
parents' generation, which they were born in the like fifties
and something, you know, fifties and sixties, because that's back
when the American people still held you know, confidence for

(02:17:32):
the most part in the government. That would have been
the time to come clean. In today's era, there's again
nothing to be gained. And if it is the fact
that they know nothing, then coming forward and providing evidence
that they know very little doesn't help them in any way.

Speaker 1 (02:17:56):
It is an interesting subject because you know, as Matt said,
you know, there there are a lot of games being played.
Arrow is a mess. NASA has never been called out
to the carpet on what they know. I mean, there's
so many loose ends on this subject. You have to
wonder whether or not there's not only time, but enough

(02:18:16):
voices to actually put the pressure on these groups to
bring this subject to light. And of course they all
hide behind the skiff, they all hide behind the clearances,
and the public is sitting here like you and I
sitting here saying, well, what are we doing here? Like
what is going on?

Speaker 3 (02:18:37):
Well?

Speaker 9 (02:18:37):
And you know, I think that, you know, I think
that the you know, all aspects of the phenomena are
waiting for We've talked about this a little bit before
in the past too, but you know, I really think
that the phenomena is waiting for people to.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
To come to them.

Speaker 9 (02:18:59):
You know, they're they're they're standing on the sidelines or
whatever the sports analogy is for hockey, and they're waiting for,
you know, people to walk up and ask and you know,
and say, hey, can you can you come in? Can
you interact with us? Can you teach us a better way?

Speaker 10 (02:19:17):
So?

Speaker 9 (02:19:17):
Whatever the case may be. But yet we you know,
we as humans, for the most part, when you look
throughout our history, we we are vastly made up of followers,
you know, might be leaders, but the vast majority are followers.

(02:19:40):
If if forced into a situation, they might step into
a leadership role, But for the vast amount of the population,
it is easier for them to listen to what somebody
else has to say and then either just ascribe to
that belief or reject it and listen to whatever the
net X person has to say. So, you know, the

(02:20:05):
vast majority of the population is now waiting for the
US government to tell them what they should think about UFOs.

Speaker 1 (02:20:15):
Do you think we're covering this on a journalistic level
the proper way.

Speaker 9 (02:20:26):
I don't think it's being covered properly. But at the
end of the day, journalism has become, in my opinion,
corrupted to sell ads and advertising, you know, and so
a lot of journalism doesn't cover the hard hitting stories

(02:20:49):
like they should and so and plus you know, the
UFO topic as a topic has been around for a
long time. Uh And I could see, like I think
Laslow the part that I joined in he was talking
about complaining about the membership on Reddit is in the

(02:21:09):
four millions on the ur you know, the subreddit for UFOs,
but the views is in the hundreds of thousands or less.
And I think it's because people are just they're tired
and feeling like they're being strung along, and so for
for media or journalism to cover the topic with no

(02:21:31):
new information to provide, it's just going to feel like
a regurgitation of the same information just to keep people
on the hook engaged to buy a subscription to buy
a newspaper, if they're even actually our paper newspapers anymore.
But it's it's not going to feel like genuine journalism.

(02:21:56):
So I think I think what's missing if I can,
I think what's missing is is that most of the
big names in ufology are all saying the same thing.
They're just saying it in a slightly different way. There
are there are no new theories. There are there is

(02:22:19):
no new independent research pushing the boundaries of what we
know about UFOs. It's it's being left to the government
to define that for us, and all of the big
names in the community are just regurgitating the same information

(02:22:39):
over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 (02:22:43):
And I also look at it too as and this
is coming from a journalistic point of view, that I
don't think a lot of these journalists so to speak,
know how to cover this subject, you have to understand
the subject in order to cover it properly. It's easy
to go into a press conference and say, tell me

(02:23:06):
about these UAPs. But one thing that a lot of
people don't understand about journalism and journalists is if they're
unfamiliar or do not care for the beat that they've
been given or the topic they've been given to cover
for that day, they softball question the answers. They're not
doing their homework. They don't understand the history, they don't

(02:23:28):
understand the passion of the people who have been covering this.
And I think that's why these government hearings, NASA, whoever
it may be, get the soft pass on this because
they're just answering softball questions. They're not going hard on Arrow,
they're not going hard on NASA. They're letting these people

(02:23:52):
off the hook. Whereas the journalists who do know the
subject they are pressing about it. They are pushing the
envelope regarding how do we get more, give us more.
The public wants this story. The ratings and the readership
show that the public wants more stories like this. But

(02:24:15):
if we don't have people asking the proper questions, those
who are in touch with these politicians or agencies, We're
never going to get it because they don't know how
to cover it. And on that note, I'm going to
get your opinion on that when we return. The UFO
Wizard himself, Josh Rutlinch continues with the UFO Report when

(02:24:37):
we return.

Speaker 5 (02:24:39):
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Speaker 9 (02:25:02):
All right, we are clear, all right, gotta I'm gonna
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Speaker 9 (02:25:13):
I said, I'm gonna write down when I was gonna
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So I need somebody who is way more technical than

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I know there's Kick, there's Tumblr and many others that
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I don't know.

Speaker 9 (02:27:46):
I'm a pretty technical guy, Dave, So if you ever
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Speaker 9 (02:29:48):
I'm gonna have white Castle on Saturday. Never had it,
Never had white Castle.

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Space Travelers Club. He is the UFO Wizard, Josh Rutledge
here hanging on out with us. We were talking about

(02:31:34):
journalism the way this story is covered in the mainstream media. Josh,
you wanted to follow up with what I was saying
that journalists really don't know how to cover this story.

Speaker 9 (02:31:46):
Yeah, I was going to say that if you look
at every journalist who has given it at a legitimate shake,
they've all are now fully vested in the topic. I
look at Leslie Keene, Ralph Blumenthal, I mean, George Knapp,
I mean they were all, you know, just kind of doing,
you know, covering something just to cover it. And then

(02:32:08):
now they're fully vested and are you know, doing their
you know, doing as much as they can to try
to push the topic. So I do think that, you know,
the more we get I was gonna say a legitimate journalist,
but I mean he any any journalist that actually wants
to give it a fair shake, I think you know

(02:32:31):
they're gonna walk away feeling differently than when they got started.

Speaker 1 (02:32:38):
I think you are right on that, because once somebody
invests themselves in this story and figures out how to
cover it, you know, love him or hate him. If
you look at Ross Coulthard, this is a guy who
really didn't cover this story at all. Started looking into
it because he saw the twenty seventeen article in The

(02:32:59):
New York Time, gained interest in it, started asking some
questions like any journalist should. And the next thing, you know,
he's pretty much redefined his entire career on this subject. Now,
a lot of people who are anti Ross will say, well,
that's grifting. There are those who will sit there and say, well,
the guy is doing his job as a journalist. And

(02:33:21):
I like Ross personally, I'm a fan of his work.
But on the flip side, he had to learn how
to cover the story because there is more to it
than just a bunch of weirdos with no dental plan,
the yelling outside that the reptilians are, you know, coming
into my bedroom each and every night.

Speaker 9 (02:33:43):
Yeah, and I think that we're also seeing a little
bit of his he's still learning in you know what,
you know, what he's going to let's say, believe in
or ascribe to versus what he's just going to report on,
because I mean he's he's taken some in my opinion,

(02:34:04):
he's taken some stances, especially of late, within like the
last six months to a year, that I'm not sure
someone more educated or knowledgeable on the topic would take.
So it's it's nice that we also get to see
him kind of learn and grow as he you know,

(02:34:26):
kind of walks this kind of path, if you will,
on his own kind of UFO awakening journey. The downside
is is that because he has a voice, and because
he's established himself with that voice, sometimes those stumbles along
his path can have huge impacts to his credibility as

(02:34:50):
well as just you know, I think him continuing to
be a voice within the discussion. But I'm very these
that you know, he is one of the few individuals
who has his own online presence right with his podcasts

(02:35:10):
and such, but equally within you know, kind of a
major news network with news Nason So and you know,
there for a long time, News Nation was the only
you know, quote unquote you know news media organization that
was covering this topic when it kind of got the
reboot a couple of years ago or a few years ago. So, yeah,

(02:35:34):
I I don't really necessarily have any problem with with
uh with Ross because I see that he is, you know,
he he's televising his he's televising his path as he.

Speaker 1 (02:35:46):
Learns more in his.

Speaker 9 (02:35:50):
I don't know, his position on all these things evolves
and grows. It's it's kind of the same thing when
you know, I got started doing a podcast, you know,
I had my you know, memory recall, and immediately started
doing a podcast, And if you go back and listen
to the very first episodes and all the way through

(02:36:13):
one hundred and actually we just recently topped two hundred,
you would actually see a growth in my way of
thinking about different aspects of the phenomena. So it's it's
nice that we get to kind of go along with
him on that. But yeah, as far as the common
around grifting, I would I just find it really annoying that,

(02:36:42):
let's say it's woodworking.

Speaker 2 (02:36:43):
If somebody.

Speaker 9 (02:36:46):
Went to a to a craft fair and bought a
piece of wood wal art, and then the next weekend
they went into the garage and they recreated it, and
then they started doing a YouTube channel about woodworking. The
woodworking community wouldn't accuse them of grifting if they reformatted

(02:37:11):
their entire life around woodworking because they found this passion
that they're really involved with. So why is it that
in the UFO community, if the same thing happens, now,
all of a sudden, you're a grifter.

Speaker 1 (02:37:26):
I love it when people on YouTube channels have their
channel monetized and they're asking for super chats, and yet
they're complaining about other people grifting for support. The hypocrisy
is large, it is large, but it is an interesting topic.

(02:37:47):
What do you got for us tonight?

Speaker 11 (02:37:50):
Yeah, so it is, as we know, still kind of
light for UFOI stuff. We did get an.

Speaker 9 (02:38:01):
Official release date for Age of Disclosure. We talked about
the actual documentary earlier in the week. But for those
that are maybe just tuning in or whatever, if you
haven't heard so, Aged Disclosure is a documentary. It people
are saying that it may actually be nominated for an

(02:38:23):
OSCAR next year. That'll be interesting. But it's like thirty
four plus government officials and others that are going on
the record to talk about, you know, UFOs and their
knowledge of UFO UFO related experiences. And so the film

(02:38:46):
will release in select theaters in New York and LA.
So if you're in one of those two cities, you know,
see if you can find where it's at and check
it out, and then also concurrent release on Amazon Prime
on November twenty first, are you gonna watch it?

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
I am.

Speaker 9 (02:39:06):
I've watched every single one of them to come out.
I mean, I've watched all of Greers because even though
I'm not a big fan of Greer in his later stuff,
he brings some really interesting topics, and so yeah, I
watch all of them. I watch as many as I can.
I've got a Gaya subscription. I watch all kinds of

(02:39:28):
stuff on there. I try to immerse myself in a
number of different points of view on a number of
different topics, because you know, it's all it's all. Number one,
it's all really interesting. And number two, because I'm of
the opinion that it's all somehow related you know, goes cryptids,

(02:39:49):
as UFOs, et cetera. I want to make sure I'm
very well informed on kind of what are the leading
opinions or theories in all those different areas. So yes,
I will definitely watch it.

Speaker 3 (02:40:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:40:05):
So I'm sure the the episode that you know or
you know, space Out Radio episode that follows whenever that releases,
I'll probably have some interesting information and insights.

Speaker 1 (02:40:16):
So I look forward to watching it too. I don't
watch a lot of UFO documentaries because it to me,
it's you know, for a long time there and this
is no offense to the people involved, but it was
the same people saying the same thing under a different
title each and every time you watched, So you you know,
you could have UFOs and Aliens documentary over here, and

(02:40:40):
you would see, you know, back in the day, Jim Mars,
Richard Dolan, Linda Molten Howe, Stanton Friedman, and you'd see
all these people. Then there'd be another one over here
that se Aliens at UFOs, and then you would see
Richard Dolan. You know, it just it seemed like every

(02:41:01):
documentary had the same people in it. I got burnt
out by that. And that's no offense to Richard Dolan
or Linda Bolton Howe or any of these people who
have been paving the way for people like you and
me to be able to discuss these topics openly. It's
just you want something new, and I just hope we
just don't have a bunch of talking heads saying the

(02:41:23):
same thing. You know, I worked in ABC position at
Langley or in DC, and this is what I heard,
This is what I saw. They are here, they are real.
We have to take this more seriously and we need
to research this. There is a threat narrative. I mean,

(02:41:45):
is that what we're going to be watching or are
we going to be watching? You know, these fine people
who've dedicated their lives to public service come out and
say something completely different that may awestruck us.

Speaker 9 (02:41:59):
So we talked about on Monday. I don't think the
documentary is for the community. I think it's for the
broad reaching masses, the people on the fringes that are
interested in the topic but have not really hurt anything
to date that has swayed them, you know, to really be,
you know, invested in the topic. I think we're going

(02:42:20):
to hear what you said. Yes, the first thing you said.

Speaker 1 (02:42:24):
Here's the thing that I want to combat what you
just said, though, if you don't mind in a polite
Canadian way. Yeah, I'm getting really tired of people saying
that it's not for our community. And I agree with
you when I when you say that, I do agree
with you. But for some reason, this is one of

(02:42:47):
the only fields that I know where you literally disassociate
yourself from those who support you. I remember lou Elisondo
telling me on a phone conversation that one of the
biggest mistakes that To the Stars Academy made was that

(02:43:07):
they underestimated the level of passion and the vigor that
the UFO community had. They had all of that support,
they were the only ones financially contributing to the Stars,
and yet the To the Stars Academy basically said we

(02:43:28):
want nothing to do with the UFO field. And he
said that was one of the biggest mistakes we've seen
Skywatcher do. That Enigma Labs doesn't want anything to do
with the ufology, even though they want all of your reports,
even if they have to steal them allegedly from other groups. Okay,

(02:43:49):
all of these big name government people, even the SCU,
the Scientific Coalition for UAP studies, they don't want anything
to do with the UFO community. This is the only
field I know that continues to push away the people
that you love it. Could you imagine choose your favorite

(02:44:09):
sports team. Okay, I'm an Edmundon Oilers fan. I'm a
hockey fan. I don't really have an NFL team that
I cheer for because I just like watching good football
players and good football. But let's just say, let's pick
a team here. Let's say the Buffalo Bills because of
Josh Allen. If all of a sudden, the Buffalo Bills said, hey,

(02:44:31):
we love We know there are a ton of people,
millions of people around the United States and North America
and fans of NFL who love our team. They love
Josh Allen, but we don't care about them. We don't
want them buying jerseys, we don't want their support, we
don't want anything to do with them. That would be

(02:44:52):
kind of foolish for the league to do.

Speaker 9 (02:44:55):
Yeah, but I don't think that's what's happening here. Like,
if I take your analogy, I think I think those
areas want they want the support of the UFO community.
It would be like if the Buffalo Bill Bill said
we're gonna have a ticket discount sale for people who

(02:45:20):
have never been to a Buffalo Bills game before. That
would be the analogy, Right, We're gonna We're gonna do
a promotion that is intended for people who have never
been to a game. They've never watched one of our games.
All the fans would probably be upset because, hey, why
can't I get a ticket promotion? You know, I've been
a loyal fan for blah blah blah years. But the

(02:45:43):
attempt is to gain new fans, right to sell more
tickets to new fans. And if you take that same
analogy and apply it to this documentary, that's what it's for.
It's there, and I'm gonna revise my statement a little bit.
I'm gonna say that it's not for me and you

(02:46:04):
or other people who are very well versed in the
UFO topic. There are there are probably a lot of
people in the UFO community who who don't know you know,
every case, who don't who don't know every abduction, who
don't know all the details and you know, the ins

(02:46:26):
and outs and everything, and they'll probably get quite a
bit out of the documentary things that you know, you
and I will probably watch the documentary and say, oh, yeah,
we've heard all this stuff before. So when I say
it's not really meant for our community, I mean it's
not really meant for the researchers and investigator excuse me,
investigators in the community, the people who are very deep

(02:46:50):
in the trenches. Let's say, you know, go you know,
wake up, wake up to you know, alert on their
phone about UFO stuff and go to bed to the
same It's not meant for them, but it is a
it is an attempt, I think, to get more people
who have not ever really considered the topic to be

(02:47:10):
interested in the topic, those people who still hold some
level of reverence for the people in government who you know,
uh for for for better or for worse, do you know,
kind of go into that public servant type role or
military people or whatever the case would be, or CIA people.

(02:47:32):
I mean, you could take somebody who is a janitor
at the CIA, and all of a sudden they retire
and they start talking about UFOs and they must know
something because they were they worked at the CIA. So
I really think it's that's what it's really all about,
is you know, it'll be if I think about it
from a concentric circle perspective, there'll be people in the

(02:47:56):
community that benefit from it, but there'll be a lot
of people outside of the community, especially if it gets covered.
I think it's wide coverage. I loved that when louiel
A Zondo came out with his book. Whatever you might
feel about his book the content within it, I love
that when he came out with it, he was on
every like, he was on The View, and he was

(02:48:16):
on you know, the show with on Comedy Central. I
can't think of what it's called right now, but you know,
he was interviewed on all these different mainstream things and
people gave it, at least on the show, they seem
to give it, you know, real merit that you know,

(02:48:36):
here's this guy who ran this program from the government
who heard about it in twenty seventeen. He's right, he's
written a book about it. So if the documentary gets
that level of coverage, then I think it may pick
up people who, again have not really given it a
fair shake.

Speaker 1 (02:48:57):
I will agree to disagree with you lightly on that.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I think you're What you
say has an incredible amount of merit to it, But
I look at it is you know, in anything that
you do, there is strength in numbers, and if you
have a large community that is willing to go to

(02:49:20):
bat for you, support you spread your word around. It
goes a lot farther than saying, like using your football analogy,
which I loved by saying, Okay, all you Seison ticket holders,
all you big name fans, you're not allowed at this game.
This is the ticket promotion for just people who are

(02:49:41):
trying to attract to the subject. The chances of you
actually having that stadium full for those people is slim
to none. You might you might fill half, you might
fill three quarters, but there's going to be a lot
of empty seats. You if you have a community supporting you,
you're building a wall of strength. And a lot of

(02:50:05):
these groups I think take for granted the passion and
the desire that the UFO community has for transparency, for
disclosure and moving that ball forward, that they tend to
forget about that. They see the crap that happens on
X and all the drama and they're like, I don't

(02:50:25):
want any part of that. Well, that's only maybe one
hundred people that are that are jumping in on them,
say two hundred, three hundred, whatever it may be. But
there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands outside of
that little X world that are passionate about this subject.
They do believe they want to learn more, but they

(02:50:47):
don't know where to turn because of the drama of
being pushed away, not being informed, so on and so forth.
So that would be my rebuttal to what you're saying,
as we have about a minute and a half to
go here.

Speaker 9 (02:51:03):
Yeah, I mean I I would also say that you know,
it's the old as you know, there's no such thing
as bad press. So if all the researchers and investigators
and the folks like me and you, we all watched
the documentary and we we go on our show as
we talk about how you know, they covered the same
stuff that's been covered in every UAP hearing since they
got started. Uh, that's still us talking about it. We

(02:51:25):
still watched the documentary. You know, we're still talking about it,
and something we might we might say in a in
a you know, complaint about the documentary may still drive
someone to go and look it up and watch it
and then again bring more people into the fold. So
I hear what you're saying. I don't disagree with some

(02:51:48):
of the comments you said. I just think that it's
it's easy to feel like we're getting left out in
the cold when you know we're maybe assuming that that's
the case.

Speaker 1 (02:52:04):
Well that is going to have to continue another day
for another conversation on that. But UFO Wizard, it is
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