Oct. 21/25 - The UFO Legacy of Paul Hellyer with Victor Viggiani - Spaced Out Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, and welcome to the radio and podcast side of
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going to take a look at the legend of Paul Hellier,
the former Canadian politician who literally believed in UFOs and
for a long time was the highest politician to ever
talk UFOs publicly. Victor Vigiani is here to talk about

(00:25):
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have an amazing show coming at you tonight. Canadian ufologist

(02:54):
Victor Vigiani is going to join us. Hopefully he does
not talk to Toronto Blue Jays, because as a Yankees fan,
I am absolutely stunned by this. Yes, I know I'm Canadian,
Yes I should be cheering for the Jas, but I'm
a Yankee fan and I'm not happy right now. And
I can already see the smile on Victor's face as

(03:16):
he's going to rub this in. He's going to rub
it in hard. But that's okay. Then in our number three,
swamp Dweller will join us with another creepy story. We're
going to follow that up with Robin Haynes coming in
for the Q and A. Now Victor Vigiani, which most
people don't know. I don't even think Victor knows that.
When I first started out on spaced Out Radio way

(03:37):
back in twenty fourteen, there was a conference in Vancouver
that had Grant Cameron, it had Victor doing the MC ing.
This is an event that went right across Canada. Paul
Hellier was even there speaking at the event, and I
got to meet Victor there when I was a literal
nobody in this field. I'd only been doing spaced Out

(03:59):
radio for a couple of months, and I don't even
know if Victor remembers that or not. But nonetheless, you know,
I have always very much looked up to Victor Vigiani.
He is somebody who has never said no to an
interview from me. We enjoy talking UFOs, even if it's privately,
when we talk every couple of months, and he is
somebody who is really trying hard to make a difference.

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He has his own media company out of Toronto called
Zeeland or if you're pronouncing it Canadian wise, Zedland Communications,
where he breaks into all sorts of UFO news. If
he finds something that's breaking, Zeeland is right on top
of it making sure that it happens. He's a retired
school teacher. He is somebody who now does UFOs full time.

(04:45):
And I got to bring him on, you know, I
really do, because I know I'm supposed to read the
bio that we have for the person, but I just
didn't feel like it tonight. I needed to just make
it happen with Victor. How you doing, my friend, It's
good to see you and have be back on spaced
Out Radio.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Thank you for the kind words, and my friend, thank
you David very much. You're right and reading a bio
and introduction is a little kind of dry. But the
introduction that you used is is, I guess appropriate at
this particular point. And I do remember that conference in
Vancouver with with Paul and the rest of it with
the Bader Knowledge tour that we did across it hiped Vancouver,

(05:26):
Calgary and Montreal and Toronto, so it was quite quite
the event it was.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
And and I remember going there and I was just
so amazed because I had heard of you, I'd heard
of Grant, I've heard of Paul Hellier. I forget the
other two speakers that were there, because there were there
were four speakers in yourself total.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Bassett was there in Dolan.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I'm sorry, who in Dolan?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Bassett?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Steve Steve Bassett, that's right. And I remember looking up
at the stage that you eyes and I was just
in awe, you know. And and what's weird for me,
Victor is it kind of reminded me being an old
sports journalist. I got to interview a lot of hockey players, man,
a lot of hockey players, especially Mario Lemieux, you know,

(06:19):
Matt Sundeen, Ray Bork, Joe Sackett, Patrick Roa, you know.
But I only froze once. And that's when I interviewed
Wayne Gretzky. Wow, and I froze. He looked I wasn't
even prepared, and he looked right at me, like, are
you gonna ask a question? And I froze right there.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I mean, I'm.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Like, uh, you're the great one, you know. That's all
I really wanted to say was you're You're the great one, you.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Know, But what a contribution. Eh.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
But I I It's weird because I kind of had
this same moment with all of you guys up on
stage because I'd seen you guys all on these documentaries
on UFOs on Discovery Channel and History Channel because Netflix
wasn't really around back then doing their thing. Amazon was
just a pipe dream at that point. And I looked

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at this and I'm like, wow, Like I'm in the
presence of these guys who know the UFO story, and
it just I've never really told you this, man, but
it meant the world to me. It really did mean
the world to me as a youngster in this field,
you know, trying to carve oute this little niche dream
that I had called spaced out Radio. And I mean,

(07:37):
this is going back ten years now, and yet here
you are not only do I consider you a mentor,
but I have the privilege of being able to call
you a friend as well. And it just means a lot.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well, back at you, man, back at you. Well, it's
a special relationship, David, because not only of the people
that you have attached space out, but the influence that
that flows out from you to them and to all
of their friends. And that's how this this particular issue
gets gets propagated. And and I think you are a

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great benefit to the cause in so many different ways
in the way you you help us through this, uh,
this miasma of information, and uh, you're just the person
to do it here in Canada. If that if that's
if it's going to be something that's gonna really if
the fit's going to hit the shan eventually, uh, you're
going to be part of it big time. And and
it will happen eventually, just a matter of how and when.

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And it's a it's an important factor. Your program is
a very important factor. It's the only one in Canada
that I can think of that really even in a
in North America that it really kind of focuses on
the specific issues in a in a pretty in depth
kind of way. And your technique of getting to people
and and having them explain their perspectives on this whole

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issue is is so valuable. I mean, I can't even
quantify it because it's extremely powerful and what you're doing,
and do not ever underestimate your influence.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Let me tell you thank you, And I'm going to
give you a whole eight seconds to rubbed in about
the Toronto Blue Jays because of the time words you
just said.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Well, I was going, you know what, to be really
honest with you, I have as a kid, I always
admired the New York Yankees. They were they were my
team as a kid. I played a lot of baseball
when when I was younger and upstairs. I have two
Yankee hats to one that I got at Yankee Stadium

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back in twenty eighteen when my wife and I went
to New York. We watched a game and I purchased
an official Yankee hat and it's upstairs, and then I
bought another, so I do have that hat. They're no
longer my favorite team, they haven't been for a while,
and not that I don't like them, but and I
wear the hat all the time. Because I love the
hat and and as you mentioned, I was gonna run

(10:01):
upstairs again it quickly, but I figured i'd better not,
so I do wear their hat all the time. But
then again about the Jays, it was just a magic moment.
There's just no doubt about it. We didn't think they
would be able to do it. I mean it was
seventh or eighth any when they did it, And when
when Springer hit that hit that dinger, it really rung

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a bell. Let me tell you, the whole places became electric. Yeah,
good on them there, They were great. There were a
great bunch of guys, and wish them well and we'll
just see what happens in the next in the next
week or so.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I had no idea who to cheer for that series.
I really didn't. I mean, you know, as a Canadian,
you have a soft spot for the Toronto Blue Jays.
I think every Canadian does. But on the West Coast here,
I mean, Seattle is our team, and so it was.
It was very, very hard to try and be unbiased

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during that series because I wanted both teams to win.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, you know, but of course, of course.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know, I will say this though, man, I love baseball.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Oh dude, don't you.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, I love baseball, and.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
You know what, Yeah, it's amazing. You know what. I
do a lot. I don't necessarily follow the Jays religiously
as much as I should, but I just love coming
downstairs and we have a big fifty inch screen downstairs
and a nice sound system, and I'll throw on the
sports channel, the sports and Editor, and I'll just watch
any two teams play. I don't care who they are.

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I just love the sound and the vibe and the
whole just the calm nature of this game. And I
just love watching because I played so much as a kid.
I was a catcher all all of my youth, and
even I stopped playing baseball when I was fifty three
years old as a catcher, so it's it's it was

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in my blood. And watching people play this game and
doesn't matter who plays. I just love watching how of
that field. So many interesting things about the game of baseball.
Second number one, Number one, there's no time limit. Okay,
it could, it could conceivably go on forever. There's no
time limit. There's all nine players in the field, right,

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There's only one player on the field who's facing the
opposite direction you no other sport, and that's the catcher
and and everybody else on the team. And the other
part of it is the catcher is the only player
standing out of bounds. And it's a very unique game
in so many different ways. And the mistake that the
surveyor made when they made the sixty feet six inches

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is a is a kind of a bell ringer to
how what kind of mistake they made in keeping that
distance with the six zero six and all of the
threes and all the things are involved with the baseball
game itself, with the nine innings, everything is a multiple
of three, and it's a it's kind of a funny
thing that it would happen that way. I think it
makes it makes that game very unique.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Oh I agree, I absolutely agree. And you know, as
much as I'm a hockey guy through and through, I
don't even you know, and I don't mean to talk
sports here, but I am a sports fanatic. I don't
even recognize hockey anymore. They've taken it. They've changed the
game so much. And yes they say the skill is better,
the players are better. I like, I miss that hard

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nose grinding hockey, you know, not when you see a hit.
Now there's a big scrub not in the you know,
and it just drives me nuts. I don't recognize the
game anymore. It's become too too watered down, in my opinion.
But let's talk some UFOs here.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Anyways, Yes, let's launch into it.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Let's talk some UFOs. We got about ten minutes to
go before the break, and I only mention that victor
because in the next half hour I really really want
to get into Paul Hellier. You and I have dabbled
in that conversation before, but we've never really gone in
depth with it, and that's why I wanted to bring
you on. Your love of this subject is why why

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do you do it?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Why do I do it? Well, first of all, because
it's got to be done. Okay, that's the first thing.
It has to be done. There's so many people working
at it, and it just has to be done because
of the nature of this phenomenon. It's something that's a
must in the human condition. As much as it gets

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disregarded in the media, ridiculed in so many different ways
in corporate American corporate, just the corporate industry throughout the
planet and the whole power structure. The way it's all
minimized and criticized and downplayed. The issue is so controversial
and so mind blowing that it's in the interest of

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the power structures of the globe to downplay it because
if it gives if the power structures in international and
give it any kind of airplay, it reduces their ability
to control what some people call full spectrum dominance of
the planet. And when we recognize that there are so
many countries vying for that full spectrum dominance in the

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face of the cosmic reality that we are not alone,
everything that we're doing on the planet here looks so
simplistic and so neanderthal in the face of this cosmic
call that we're facing by these non human intelligence. So
it's something that has to be done. It has to
be brought to the surface. It has to be recognized
as the main issue that the planet faces in addition

(15:44):
to all of the other problems that we have. This
particular issue has to be recognized, and it's not getting
the recognition that it should. And that's when you say,
you know, why do I do it? That's probably one
of the reasons why I keep on doing is they
just keep on ringing the bell and trying to raise
the flag and create an awareness that we have to
pay attention to this issue more than any other issue

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on the planet. And once we recognize this particular issue,
all of the other issues that we face the human
family will they take on a different perspective. It doesn't
matter what the issue is, be a climate change, be
it technology, be it science, and be it medicine, doesn't
matter what it is, every single issue on the planet
that we're facing will completely change, will be mutated by

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the recognition that we are in a that we're not
alone in the causals and be that we are being
engaged by these offworld intelligences. So once we get that
on the table for everyone to recognize and to talk about,
then I think all of our other difficulties that this
planet is facing will will be put in a different perspective.

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There will be a different lens that we can look
at all of our problems with. Once this whole idea
of the presence of a non human intelligence is to
the to the to the forefront, and not just a
matter day of it being brought to the forefront. It's
the possibility of what contact will look like. How will
these species interact with us to allow us to understand

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that we are part of a go lacked community that
we really don't recognize. And when we do become in
fact aware of that community and part of it through
through some sort of diplomatic contact, how will that change
the planet? What? What will happen as a result of
everybody on the planet recognizing that there are non human

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intelligence out there that for some reason or another are
attempting to monitor us and watch us and be vision
about what we're doing, and that kind of how can
I put it that that surveillance that's not a negative word,
that the way they're watching us is very important for
us to realize because it is my opinion that there

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there's a certain huge benefit to that surveillance eventually when
we recognize that, it's got to happen. And so that's
why I do it, so just to raise the whole
issue to a point, and everybody else that I'm involved with,
the you know, the Danny Shean's and the Bassetts and
the Dolans and you know, and Paul's work, that was
what they wanted. It was the same sort of thing.
So you ask why I do it, and that's why.

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And you know, if we If people like us don't
do it, David, nobody else will, you know, the ambivalent
won't do it, the powerful won't do it, and so
it's up to us to do it.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
This may sound like a loaded at a very vague question,
but I'm going to ask it to you anyways, Why
do you think there is a cover up continually going on?
Not only from a Canadian perspective, but from a United
States perspective.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
It's a it's a really loaded question, and it has
to do with if you just take just take for example,
the United States alone. Okay, there was a project, it's
called the Project for a New American Century. It was
something that happened right after I guess Robald Reagan took

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his position as a president. And what they did was
had a fellow named Billy Crystal, William Crystal, along with
a partner of his right, this Project for a New
American Century. And in that project, it was just after
the fall of the Soviet Union, and once the Soviet

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Union fell, that adversarial relationship between the Soviet Union and
the United States just fell apart, completely fell apart. And
what they did was the United States recognized that they
now had a free pass to develop technology, weaponry, call
it what you want. Their dominance over the planet, and

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they took full advantage of it. And that project for
the New American Century was written up in a form
that is still with us today. And what it did
do it defined what I just mentioned earlier, if a
thing called full spectrum dominance. And that's what they wanted

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and they've achieved that. They've achieved that with their nuclear
weapons and with their military bases around the world. They
are a dominant world force in the face of even
someone like, you know, a country in Russia. Although Russia
is a dominant force with its nuclear arsenals, its economic
structure does not hold a candle to what the United

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States has. So that power structure is is the thing
that's the dominant feature of the global community right now.
If there's one thing that everybody agrees upon, is that
the United States of America, for better or worse, is
the most powerful entity on the planet. And there in

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and of itself is the reason why there is a
cover up, because the United States having this huge arsenal
of weaponry, this huge dominance economically over the planet, and
this huge dominance over the planet in terms of you know,
geopolitical influence. It's got its finger in every single pie.
And if the UFO issue, to categorize it were to

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ever come out, and the UFO issue be recognized for
what it really is, that a we're not alone in
the cosmos and b that there are planets that are
inhabited by non human intelligence. Intelligences that are five to
six billion years more advanced than us, have technologies that make,

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you know, our nuclear weapons look like, you know, a
box of matches, and the United States is not willing
to allow that idea to propagate. So therefore there's there's
the cover up. They do not want the information out
that there are intelligences out there that have a significant
amount of intellectual, cultural dominance, and history than the United States,

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So they don't want to give that up, and that's
why there's a cover up. And in natural there there
are other reasons, subsidiary reasons, but that's the main reason
why there is a cover up. The United States of
America and its influencers all across the geopolitical spectrum in
the West and even in the in the in Europe,
maintain significant control as to how other countries frame this

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issue and the United States has these countries under its
thumb you shall not disclose. That's basically what they're saying. Now,
how they go about, you know, using that threat isn't
of the question altogether. But the fact of the matter
is the United States of America does not want this
information out, and that's why there's a cover up.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Is it about hiding the technology as we go to
about ninety seconds to go here, victor, or is it
about hiding something from humanity?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Both? Definitely both. I'll try to do this in the
time you allowed it. It is about the technology. The
United States we know, and some other countries probably too.
The United States has back engineered some of these crafts,
so they do know how some of this technology works.
But the reason that there's a cover up is that
whatever kind of technology the US has perfected, or at

(23:31):
least are experimenting with, they don't want other nations to
know that. They don't want although other nations know that
it's possible. But I think the United States is by
far in the lead with experimenting with some of the
anti gravitic technologies that are out there that they have
gained by back engineering some of these these crashed UFO.
So the United States does not want the stuff to

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fall into the hands in a perfected way. And if
they say, for example, in China or Russia, they don't
want that to happen. So it is about technology. And
then the hand and glove issue there is the rest
of humanity does not want to know this. According to them,
the humanity must be kept in the dark about this

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issue because if they're not kept in the dark, it's
going to seep out all over the place. And therefore
this whole full spectrum dominance that the United States maintains
will fall apart in peace, as it might already be
happening right now. So that's kind of it in a nutshell.
It is both an answer to your question.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
When we return with Victor Vigiani from Zedland Communications, Zealand,
if you're below the forty ninth parallel, we're going to
get into the legacy the history of Canadian politician Paul
Hellier and how he helped redefine the UFO story on
spaced out radio. All right, we are clear, Okay, good times.

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I just have to do that, okay, yeah, no, that's perfect.
I just got to text my daughter back here, all right,

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quickly here. Hello to human Carl is here everybody a
great vetter to the United States Air Force. Thank you
Human Carl for coming on in. And who else do
we have that's dropped in here? Glenn John McEnroe, the
pride of Wimbledon. How are you, buddy, Blue Cruise, Nice

(25:56):
to see you. Woo pooh, nice to see you. And
who else has jumped in here? There we go, We're
caught up there.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
I'm gonna drop the the coverage of Paul into your
chat box if you want to send it out. Sure
there it is right there.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Perfect, Thanks buddy. Okay, I'm gonna put this link in
our chat room if you don't.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Mind, Nope, ahead the if you ask about how this
all happened with strange days, indeed, that will really it
really set me off. Oh well, I think I told
you that story before.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I'll get into it with the audience again.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
M hm.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Mark Cosgrove, how you doing, Eva, Nice to see you,
js c O. Thanks for coming on in. By the way,
if if you can, if you have darker skies, make
sure you go outside and look for comment Lemon tonight.

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I saw comment Lemon earlier and it's pretty amazing, pretty amazing. Ye,

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my little guy was. I brought my binoculars out. My
little dude. He was like love that. He was like,
where is it? Dad? So it took him about five
eight minutes and he was like, oh my goodness, look
at that. Look at that tail. My daughter's texting me

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right now the first time in her life she had
a migraine tonight.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Oh my god. How old is she?

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Twenty six?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
She uh, she got engaged a couple months ago. Oh
really really, and so it starts. You know what, I
will say this, I really didn't know which way my
daughter was going to go, not that it mattered, and
she but a couple of years ago she met a

(29:08):
really nice young man. And you know, as a father,
you always measure that man who's going to enter your
daughter's life as you know, you eye them up. You
you you Sam. And this young man treats my daughter

(29:30):
like a queen. Wow, just wow, just a queen.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
And that's terrific.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
And I am so blessed that I'm going to call
this young man my son in law.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, it's a new relationship, that's what. Yeah, when my
daughter got married, when she's dating, callin her future husband.
You're right, you you you sized him up pretty well.
And yeah, it's almost like a responsibility can't have to yourself.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
My first my first words to meeting the young man,
I say, I say to point blank, I said, don't
make eye contact and remember I don't like you. That's
my first introduction, Victor. Hold on right there, they're gonna
get going here. Uh that's true story. Thank you to
Lorie and thank you to Kitty for the super chats.

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It's a great way to support what we do. High
Broken Shadow Feather. Here we go. Everyone. Here comes the

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second half hour of spaced Out Radio tonight. My name
is Dave Scott. Thank you very much for tuning us
in as we're going to talk about the UFO legacy
of the late Paul. Victor Vigiani is our guest tonight.
Before we bring Victor back on, we want to remind
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(31:33):
Ontario from Zeeland Communications, Victor Vigiani is here to talk
about the legend of Paul Hellier, a Canadian politician who
served at almost every capacity except prime minister, but it
was after his career that he found a new love.
UFOs Victor, Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Great to be with you again, David, Great and your audience.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Hello.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Everyone.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Tell us about Paul Hellier.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
A quiet giant. Let me tell you I got to
know that about him later on in our relationship. To
begin with, it was an acquaintanceship, that was, That's all
it was. But as as I got to know the
man and the depth of his integrity and his confidence

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and his intellect and his care for his fellow human beings,
he stood as a giant. And he was, you know,
well over six foot three or six foot four, a
very imposing figure. He's the kind of person who you
know when you first meet him, he stares your right
in the eyes and just gives you that whole kind

(32:48):
of who he is and the gravitas in that man was.
When I first met him, right after I spoke to
him on the phone to get him to come to
the conference, I was. I was struck by all of
the things that I guess, the depth of a person
who's had that kind of experience politically over his lifetime,

(33:09):
and also to his family. Very strong family man and
sincere and as honest as you'd ever want to imagine.
He'll tell you the truth right away, whether you'd like
to hear it or not. He lets you have it
right away. There's just no there's no equivocation about the man.
There wasn't anyways. So that's what really kind of struck

(33:30):
me about him, was his sincerity and the drive that
this man had. When I first met him, I think
he was eighty one or eighty two, and he just
perpetuated that until he passed away in August twenty twenty one.
He was the same person all the time, consistent and
word indeed.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
All of the time, and very loyal to the crown.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Oh yes, very much.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
So.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
You know, we hear the word patriot used a lot
in the United States, but Paul Hellier was considered a
patriot in Canada.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, he really was. Dave A patriot in the sense
that it was born out of respect. I think that
as a member of the Privy Council at the time,
he realized the history of Canada and the way Canada
evolved with its you know, I guess, his roots in

(34:23):
the United Kingdom and all of the parliamentary procedures that
Canada took on as a result of using the same
form of governance that was the foundation in the UK.
He recognized the parliamentary system as a unique kind of governance,
not perfect by any shape, way or form, but definitely

(34:47):
a form of governance that allowed the leader of the government,
the Prime Minister of Canada, to be in the presence
of the rest of the representatives, the rest of the
members of Parliament in Parliament every single day, and that
is something very unique in the way ideas and policies
are brought about in the Canadian system and to this day,

(35:08):
the parliamentary system I think rings true about that. Like
I said, it's not a perfect system, but definitely it's
a way of I guess, expressing the accountability that elected
representatives have to have, are forced to have in things
like question period and so on, and even in legislation
to the people who elect them, and it's true right now.

(35:31):
I think it's one of the reasons why our governance
is so different from any other form, especially from the
Republic down south of US, and you can see the
problems they're having with the way their government is structured.
So I think he recognized all of that, and he
was doggedly loyal and patriotic towards that form of government.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
He was somebody who happened to be the Minister of
Defense in Canada during a couple of iconic moments. Okay,
Shag Harbor number one in nineteen sixty seven, and then
shortly after Shag Harbor, he did this really weird thing
for Canada's one hundredth anniversary in nineteen sixty seven, he

(36:15):
flew to Saint Paul, Alberta to open up a UFO
landing pad that basically said everybody is welcome, including people
from not Earth. They're welcome in Canada. I mean, that
was I think the irony in that moment that he

(36:39):
probably didn't know at that point was very very strong.
Your thoughts, well.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
No, it's a great thing for you to bring up
at this point, because the irony of him doing that
as far back as he did. Was incredible because in
some of the stuff that I learned from Library and
Archives candidates the huge composite compository of UFO files that

(37:07):
Library and Archives Canada has, and you can get to
it just by going to the Library and Archives Canada
and looking at the nine thousand, five hundred UFO files
that are there. They're all categorized the Department Transport RCNP
and Department of Defense. They're all there. There's nine thousand,
five hundred files, and they're all pretty boring and sightings
and all that, so it's not really a big deal.
But what is in there is kind of telling because

(37:30):
there's a whole lot of ministerial letters that are there
posted there and you can actually read them. They're the
actual text of the letters, the actual memos and correspondences,
and many of the Ministers of Defense at the time,
Harkness and some of the other people, Paul Hellier being

(37:50):
one of them, they were sent letters by people by
citizens of Canada saying, you know, there's UFOs out there
and this, or is this, there's that, and none of
the at the time we're talking back in Paul's initial
sort of experiences, Department of Defense because he was involved
in unifying all of the forces in Canada, bringing the

(38:11):
Air Force and Navy and the army all together into
one umbrella, and that consumed all of his time and
that was one of the reasons why he really didn't
pay and he admitted that to me, and he admitted
it publicly that he just literally did not have time
or any kind of interest interest at the time to
get involved in UFOs because it just wasn't on his radar,

(38:31):
so to speak, and it wasn't something that consumed the cabinet,
it wasn't something that consumed the Prime ministers of the day.
So it was really something that was just an oh,
by the way sort of thing. And that's his move
to do that in Saint Paul, to put that landing pack.
May have been there was He never told me this directly,
but it may have been part of his thought processes

(38:54):
at the time as a result of all the correspondences
that he was receiving at the time had to have
him wreck recognize the issue, which during his tenure as
you know, Administer of Defense, he really didn't. He really
didn't come out and say anything about it publicly. So
it was something that he did. Be it the spontaneous
as spontaneous nature of the moment, be it something that

(39:15):
he was called to do, be it something that that
people of Saint Paul said, well, we want a landing pad,
and who else can we invite into, you know, to
kind of, you know, give it an impromotuur until Paul
Hallier was called upon it to do. And that's pretty
much all he did with respect to that. And he
didn't pay to pay much attention after that to the
issue alone whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
No, he really did not, And and I think for him,
you know, I always questioned, and this may sound a
little bit controversial, but I always question whether or not
he actually cared about the UFO subject or if he

(39:56):
was covering something up because was Shag Harbor happening on
his watch at that time. It didn't make sense to
me that he, you know, in my conversations that he
really didn't know what was going on at that point,
and it just didn't make sense to me.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
M No, I think you're right, Paul, And I don't
really think Paul and I ever really talked about the
Shag Harbor incident or any of the other specific things
that may have happened when he was a defense minister.
But I think you're right it didn't make any sense
to him at the time to pay too much attention
to it because it was just so damn controversial and

(40:41):
it just didn't make sense for him to get involved
in something like that because if he did, it would
have meant I guess you know what I think it
was because if the Shag Harbor incident was really something
that would have motivated him to come forward back at
that particular point in time, he would have had he
would have had to have been bitten by this issue, okay,

(41:02):
And he wasn't bitten to by this issue until we
brought him forward in two thousand and five before that,
and there's reasons why that We can talk about how
he got bitten by it, but back then he was not.
It didn't get him in the gut, I guess is
what I'm trying to say. It didn't have the political
impact that he eventually grew into to come forward in

(41:25):
two thousand and five. Back then, it just wasn't in
his wheelhouse to even do that, and it might have
been too controversial. I don't know if it was a
matter of covering it up unless he had information about
it that he didn't share with me. That may have
been the case, but Paul was pretty open. He never
really discussed anything that would have been something of his

(41:46):
participation in any kind of cover of it, and that
never really came up. It's just that it wasn't as
important back then as he eventually learned it to be important.
So I think it's one of the reasons why he
didn't really make a bit getuot of Shag Harbor. There
may have been other reasons that he didn't tell me,
but he and I had a pretty damn close relationship,
so I'm not surprised that he chose to handle that

(42:09):
particular situation in addition to all of the other things
that happened in the late nineteen fifties and the mid
fifties with respect to UFOs crashing in Northern Saskatchewan, Okay,
or letters from the Committee of the Intelligence Committee in Ottawa,
letters excuse me, letters from the Director of the Intelligence

(42:31):
Committee in the fifties saying that we're just not going
to deal with this because the United States is telling
us to keep this on the lowdown. There are memos
that prove that, and they're available Library and Archives Canada,
and I put them on my website too. This specifically
says that we will not talk about this or raise
any questions about uf or they didn't call them UFOs
then they call them flying saucers, that they would not

(42:53):
mention them. So, I mean that was a pretty prevalent
mindset of the entire intelligence community in Canada at the time,
in addition to the Department of Defense. So it was
a case of the tail wagging the dog in the
United States saying, well, no, you guys are not going
to talk about this. And maybe that's why Paul did
not raise this as an issue, because it was policy
of the government just not to talk about it. He

(43:15):
told me that in cabinet they did discuss the issue
flying saucers when he was part of the Lester B.
Pearson cabinet, but it was never really a dominant as
it is now. I don't think I can compare it
to It just wasn't the big issue back then. That
it was was that the cover up was really active
at that point, and Canada played his role in keeping

(43:38):
his mouth shut, and I guess Paul might might have
been part of that.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Let's take a step back here for a minute and
learn why he got into UFO.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Well, it all started with me. I used to help
aerob Bruce Knapp. I was the co host on Strange
Days indeed on CFRB here in Toronto and many people
who are listening right now may be old enough to
remember that program. And Aero Bruce Knapp was a leader.

(44:14):
He was the one who ran UFO Updates. It was
a huge, huge enterprise that he moderated on the Internet
at the time, and they had people commenting on UFOs.
Anybody who was anybody with respect to UFOs contributed to
UFO Updates and also too listening in on Saturday nights
from eleven o'clock to one on CFRB every Saturday night

(44:38):
to Strange Days indeed, and he had and we're talking
about in the mid eighties all the way up to
the late nineties when Strange Days indeed it was still
on the air. The listenership was just huge. And we
knew that that was a strong listenership because we'd get
calls from all over the world and this is basically

(45:00):
and it was just radio David. There was no Internet
at the time. The last couple of years there was
but we just had a huge following. So everybody who
was involved in UFOs at the time listened to that
particular program, and Errol and I interviewed anybody and everybody
who was involved in it, Jim Mars and you know,
Bassetts and the whole Stanton Friedman. The list just went

(45:22):
on and on and on every single Saturday night, and
it was really something that that particular program had the
following that it did. And as a result of how
we got involved, I'll talk to you about that in
a moment. But the reason that he actually got involved
to begin with farb before I even spoke to him,

(45:43):
that a fellow named Pierre's you know who lives out
in BC. And Pierre will probably get angry at me
for even mentioning his name, but Pierre was, it still
is interested in this whole issue, but it does not
like any notoriety he sent. He sent Paul the book
by Philip J. Corsel the day after Roswell. He sent

(46:05):
him that book, and that was months before I talked
to him on CFRB. Anyways, so he was reading the
book and he didn't he had no idea about the
whole thing. He had heard about the issue, I would imagine,
but once he read the book, he became convinced that
this was something really, really big and that he had

(46:28):
seriously underestimated as a as a as a as a politician.
So as a result of that, one night we were
doing the radio show. Earl and I were doing the show,
and I forget who we had on. I had no
idea who was, but we had there were people listening.
So the show ended at one o'clock in the morning
and so errow Busnap and I are packing up all
of our stuff in the studio and ready to go,

(46:52):
and there's the big glass window in c f B Studios.
The knocks on the on the window between us, says Victor,
there's a call for you online one. So I said,
we just spent two hours in the radiaro, I don't
want to talk to anybody. I'm wiped out. You know,
you sit there, you know what it's like here after
you finished a show like that, You're you're you're physically dreamed.

(47:12):
You know, you're listening and you're watching, and you're watching
your notes and everything and asking questions and paying attention
to everybody, and if the call in, so you really
get drained out and I didn't want to deal with anybody,
but I took the call anyways, and uh, I said hello,
Victor for janning here. He said hello, my name is
Jim Okay, and I'll leave it at that. And I
have a very close friend who's part of our our

(47:34):
our Bible study group. His name is Paul Hellier. I said, okay, yeah,
so what big deal. So you have to talk to
Paul Hellier and everybody. And I knew who Paul Hellier
was at the time, about his history, but I had
no idea that he had any interest in this at
all or that he was reading the book. So this fellow, Jim,

(47:56):
told me that Paul was reading this book uh the
day after Roswell, and that I needed to talk to
him about it because he became very, very interested in it.
And so at the time, Mike burd and I were
planning the symposium in Toronto at Convocation Hall, and we
had Stanton Friedman there and see Bassett and Richard Dolan

(48:20):
speaking at this conference, and we're planning and this was
in I think April or May of two thousand and five,
and so that was in the back of my mind,
and so I said, okay, thank you very much. He
gave me Paul's number. I called Paul. I think about
a week or so later. I didn't really jump on
it right away I spoke to so I called him up.

(48:40):
I said, mister Hellier, my name is Victor Vigiani, and Jim,
your friend, gave me your telephone number. And he said
that you're reading The Day After Roswell by Philip J.
Corso what do you think of it? He said, my goodness,
I'm about halfway through it, and it's just fascinating. You
could tell that he was actually struck by it. He
had never read anything so prescient about this issue before

(49:03):
in his life. So as a result of that, I said, well,
mister Helly, if you're involved in this particular book, you
may want to consider being our keynote speaker at the
symposium that we're holding in the University of Toronto on
September twenty fifth of two thousand and five. Would you
want to be the keynote speaker about this and bring
your ideas forward? And he said, oh, no, I could
never do that. No, no, I could never do that.

(49:26):
And I was sort of surprised, you know. I said, well, fine,
that's good, okay, But would you mind if I give
you a call back and say two weeks after you
finished reading the book? And he said, sure, that's fine,
I'll do that. So about two and a half weeks,
maybe three weeks went by, and I jumped on the
phone right away and I called him and I said,
have you finished reading the book? He said yes, I have.

(49:48):
I said, have you changed your mind? Would you be
our keynote speaker? He said yes, I will. And he
didn't say or okay, he said yes I will. And
in a way that I WoT it told me that
this guy was locked into this issue because of what
he read. And so that was one part of why
he came why he came forward. The other part of

(50:10):
why he came forward was once he finished reading the book,
his nephew was very in touch with the military at
the time, and his nephew knew a general in the
United States. I'm not sure if it was an army
or air force general. I'm not quite sure, but in
any case, it was a general in the United States.
So his nephew said, Uncle, Paul, you need to talk

(50:32):
to this general about this issue. And so Paul called
this individual. I think they had two or three conversations.
Paul called this general and asked him about Philip J.
Corso's book, which the general had read and knew about
even more. And so Paul asked about the book, and
so the general said back to him, mister Hellier, everything

(50:53):
in that book is true and more. And that was
the thing that tipped the balance for him. Once he
got the the okay from this or the sanction from
this particular general, he became convinced. In addition to reading
the book and all the details that were in the book,
that's what he That's when he decided to be the
keynote speaker September twenty fifth, two thousand and five. That's

(51:14):
how it all kind of rolled together.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Did he love this subject? Has we got about three
minutes to go? Or did you fall into it?

Speaker 3 (51:25):
No? He considered it an irritant. Believe he when when
I asked him, so, this will really tell you where
his head was at when I asked him to do this.
When we when we spoke on the phone, and subsequently
he told me he said, well, you know, at the time,
his wife, they had just been married for you know,

(51:47):
both of them for the second time, and he said
to his wife said, well, why are you doing this?
What do you And Paul said to his wife, It's
just a one off thing. That's all I'm going to do.
I'll go and I'll speak at this conference, and that'll
be it. It'll be a he used that word, it'll
be just a one off thing. And it's kind of
indicated to me that, yeah, okay, I'll speak about this.

(52:07):
I'll let everybody know how I feel about it, about
this as far as I'm going to go. And So
an answer to your question, did he love the subject
at the time, I don't think he really did love
the issue in terms of how you phrased it, but
he thought it was important that people should know that
a former Minister of Defense believe this issue was something

(52:29):
that we needed to talk about and that the government
was holding back information about it and they needed to
be accountable. So eventually, after he became this keynote speaker
and all of the people, you know, four hundred and
fifty people in convocation all heard this man say UFOs
or as reel as the airplanes to fly over your head.

(52:50):
That sort of resonated. And when I released the press
release about the middle of August, before the actual symposium began.
I put out a press release as best I could
and as much as I could afford financially, so I
put it out on it. I think it was a
Monday or Tuesday, and that the next Thursday, and you

(53:11):
get to all the all the analytics about it. There
were fifty three thousand reads of that particular press release,
so I knew something was going to be happening because
the news agencies were picking this up, so it was important.
And as that grew, it sort of struck him that
this has got I've rung a bell here that I

(53:32):
can't unring. And the more he delved into it, which
we can get to after the break, when he started
to get involved with all of the people that I
brought forward him too, or you know, brought him in
contact with, he became more and more and we can
talk about any number of people who he spoke to
who made him really understand that this affected all of humanity.

(53:57):
It became something more than just an issue, and he
had a strong belief and UH and and citizens' rights
to know, and that's why I think it really got
to him. It became a gut issue for him. After
that he took it personally, he very very much. So
it didn't begin that way, did not begin that way whatsoever.

(54:18):
But after a while, once he realized that technology is
involved the cover up. That was how deep the cover
up was. The people that he spoke to both when
he was Ministers of the Minister of Defense and after
what he came forward, everybody, I think to a person
realized that this man was now going to be in

(54:38):
charge of getting this thing onto the front pages of
of of newspapers. And and he was on MSNBC, and
he was interviewed all over the world, right, you know,
just for many, many different reasons. So it got to
him to a point where he had to do he had.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
No thought Victor. The legacy of Paul Hellier on spaced
out Radio continues after this, m.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
Hmm, this is faced down right now. It's like hopes,
Dame Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
All right, Victor, we are clear. We got about six minutes.
I'm gonna put you in the green room and I'll
be right back. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna go be right back. Everybody, Ye,

(59:39):
all right, I am back, and let's bring Victor back in.
Is he there? No, he's not into this chariot, Marie Ka,
how are you? Nice to see you, Walter Kotchabinski. Nice

(01:00:05):
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This is fun. This is a good conversation. Glad you
like it always anytime I get to spend with you. Man,
it's just so educational.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
It's a conversation. I'd like that just the way you
find it's really a It's a good way to present
the information so conversationally rather than sort of a formal interview.

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Let's bring in Victor Vigiani from Zeeland Communications based out

(01:02:41):
of Toronto, Ontario. We're talking about the legacy in the
UFO world of the late Paul Hellier. Now, one of
the things Paul Hellier was was he was the Minister
of Defense in Canada. He served on Canada's Privy Council,
he had access to some of the most powerful people
in the world. Yet those secrets seemed to go the

(01:03:03):
UFO secrets seemed to go to the grave with him.
To put it politely, Okay, why do you think he
took so many of those story secrets and knowledge to
the grave?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Well, I guess mainly because they're so controversial, I guess,
I guess is one of the reasons. But in his
book Light at the End of the Tunnel and Paul,
people need to know that Paul was seriously involved in
the economy and the economic realm of Canadian politics, and
he had ways that he wanted to, I guess, bring

(01:03:39):
forward to the Canadian government after he left politics to
remedy some of the problems that the Canada was facing
after the war and how they got out of all
the economic problems that they had experience. And Paul's some
pretty damn good ideas about that. But in the book
Light at the End of the Tunnel he expounded on

(01:03:59):
all of that. And I'm not quite sure that that
that Paul was in touch with some of the deeper secrets,
because I know for a fact that he spoke to
a number of people in his career because I read
the book itself. I mean actually I read the transcript
of and he asked me to sort of, you know,

(01:04:20):
proof read the initial the initial transcript of his of
his first book, and there really wasn't anything in there
that was that was earth shattering that I didn't know about.
And so if he did have things that were that
came forward as a result of his communication either in
his in his role as as a as a deputy

(01:04:41):
Prime Minister and Minister of Defense, uh, he really didn't,
you know, bring that stuff forward in a way that
maybe he didn't think it was important, or maybe he
thought it was just too big. But I just I
don't know if I could actually say that he knew
specific things of a deep name that he might have
taken to his grave that that to me, he never

(01:05:04):
shared And he never said that to me. Let's put
it that way, that he knew things that he just
couldn't talk about. I'll be honest with you, David. He
never he never really said that to me. Now why
he didn't and his reasons for doing that, I don't
I don't know. I mean, I knew the man well,
but not to a point of getting inside of his
head on every single thing that he thought about. So

(01:05:25):
that's the only way answered the question.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Do you think he knew a lot more than what
he let out.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
When he came. Let's put it this way. One of
the things that that that he was the first to
really kind of a first politician anyways, someone in North
America of cabinet right, the first person of cabinet rank
in North America. One of the things that he said,
and he was really dumped on for this, he was

(01:05:56):
really criticized for it heavily, is when he spoke about
the fifty three different races that were responsible for these UFOs,
and he was criticized roundly at the time because he
said that in twenty thirteen at the citizen hearings in Washington,
DC that Steve Bassett had and that's it was over

(01:06:19):
five days and Paul was one of I think about
thirty speakers that Steve Bassett brought forward, and at that
particular citizen hearing before former senators and congressmen in Washington,
d C. He said that specifically, and he was roundly criticized.
People raised the ribry hi And now it comes out

(01:06:41):
there's a multiplicity of these things of these races doing this.
So Paul's indication that that was the case, and where
he found that out, I'm not going to be really
honest with you, I'm not sure where he dug that
where he found out about that. Maybe he spoke with someone,
maybe it was the general I don't know, but he
found it out nonetheless, and it's something that he made

(01:07:02):
a point of far before its time. And then the
amount of criticism, the incur that he incuraged because of
making that statement about that number of races was almost unbearable.
I was getting I was getting dumped on myself, Victor,
who is this guy? Why is he saying that? And
eventually it comes out that, you know, there are many
more than fifty three races out there, and whether or

(01:07:24):
not there are those particular fifty three races visiting or
monitoring our planet, we don't know. But Paul somehow found
out that there's this number of races that were responsible
for the UFO phenomenon. So he wasn't a person to
pull punches. And that's one of the biggest things that
I that I feel that he kind of gave credence
to Let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
How would he know about fifty three races, like how
would like he's somebody who, if I get him right,
he's somebody who wouldn't just come out and say something
off the cuff like that. He would have to have
some sort of proof.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Yeah. Well, if not proof, at least validation from somebody else.
Now i'll tell you, I'll tell you a story about that.
And maybe this is where he might have gotten it
from in a previous conversation. But I forget. I'm trying
to He came forward in two thousand and five. Many
years later, I don't know how many years later, I

(01:08:29):
arranged a conference at dellas Ell Oaklands College and I
had Steve, Stephen Greer, Steve Bassett, and Paul speak at
that conference and at the Dallas Cell Auditorium. And it
was just jam packed. Okay, it was just a It
was a full house. And mister Bassett gave his two

(01:08:49):
cents worth, which everybody knows is listening to before. He's
a just a wealth of information and a political activist,
and so did so was Stephen Greer. And say what
you feel about Stephen Greer, and I have some very
strong feelings about Stephen. But just before the conference, after

(01:09:10):
we brought Steve Greer and I picked him up at
the airport and we drove downtown and we had a
meeting at Paul's office, about a two hour meeting at
Paul's Bay Street officers, myself and Stephen Greer and Paul,
And at that time, Greer shared with Paul a number

(01:09:31):
of things which were founded on the number of races,
and I don't remember the number the Greer used, but
he did say significant that there were many, many, many
races involved in all of this, okay, And they talked
about this, and this is you know, Steve, you know Greer,

(01:09:52):
the way he gets information. Who knows, you know, he's
probably one of the cornerstones of this whole disclosure movement
who initiated back in two thousand and one. And I
never I never really doubted Stephen in those kinds of ways.
But Greer was definitely involved in a lot of conversations

(01:10:12):
with congressional leaders and with military people and insiders in
the intelligence community. He definitely was There's just no question
about that. My only problem with Steven is that, and Stephen,
if you're listening, you'll probably I get pissed off.

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
But he he.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Inflates his own he inflates his own importance, Okay, And
I'm just saying that he feels that he is one
of the few and if not the only, one who
has the real goods on this issue. And I would
I would debate with Steve on that at any particular time,
because he does do that. But nonetheless, he is a

(01:10:51):
kingpinan all this. So Paul was really informed by Steve
about a lot of things. One of the things that
we did talk about to really kind of blew me
away was that Greer was one of the first people
to talk about this business of UFOs being underwater or
you know, like in below the surface of water and

(01:11:13):
also having the capacity to transmute matter to a point
where there'd be he's He cited it this way. He
said that there was a mountain someplace, uh in you know,
where this destroyer was moving through the ocean, and a
UFO came over the destroyer and went right into the mountain.

(01:11:38):
There was a portal in the mountain where this this
this UFO was right into this business portal. It would
absorb it was absorbed by it within this portal, and
which blew us away at the time because it was
something that had never been talked about before, that this
kind of uh transmutations of matter to allow UFO to
go into a mountain and also come up with the water.

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And people who are listening right now can probably know
that Richard Dolan has just written a very very incisive
book about UFOs USOS under underwater UFOs and they're up
to He's investigated over three hundred and sixty cases, and
Richard Dolan's corroborative information is that there are bases underwater.

(01:12:25):
There are actual bases underwater. And for someone like Richard
Dolan who wouldn't even mention the word abductions back in
two thousand and five, he didn't. He was someone who
did not, in one way or another, believe anything about
UFO abductions or alien abductions. Now he's moved along the
continuum to a point where he's stating in his book
that there are in fact, underwater UFO bases all over

(01:12:48):
the planet. So back then, when Paul was made aware
of this kind of information, Greer had a significant influence
on how Paul went forward with some sort of corroboration
or at least confidence that the information that he had
was verifiable, and that's what Paul did. He took it
upon himself to use Greer's expertise and influence to manifest

(01:13:12):
these kinds of things which were back then, you know,
twenty fifteen or sixteen, whatever it was, was way beyond
the really beyond the curve. It was way behind before
twenty seventeen when Louis Alizondo made his big revelation in
twenty seventeen, after Blumenthal and Leslie Leslie Kane made their

(01:13:33):
made their announcement in the New York Times. So Paul
was before that, I mean he was. He was introducing
ideas that eventually became common knowledge among the UFO community.
So in a way, he was a pioneer about all
this stuff, and he took a lot of risk and
a lot of crap because of it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
But was was he on an island of his own
considering his position within government of Canada as well as
governments around the world, because nobody was speaking out. We
didn't have a president speaking UFOs back then. We didn't
have politicians and like we do see in the States

(01:14:09):
with with people in the Senate or even members of
parliament in Canada talking about this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
No, you're right, that's a good phrase on an island
of his own. I'm trying to think of other other
international leaders who who may have had some sort of influence.
The only one that I know of would have been
at the time, Bill Clinton, and he he made some
very categorical statements about he had. He spoke at some

(01:14:38):
sort of press conference or before an audience saying that
you know, if if if a UFO crashed at Roswell,
nobody told me about it, and I want to know,
so Bill Bill Clinton was someone who brought that forward.
And I think one of the reasons that that Bill
Clinton did it did that was because he received a
letter from Lawrence S. Rockefeller demanding that the president come

(01:15:02):
forward on this issue. It's time for transparency in the government.
And Rockefeller was very influential in how Clinton danced around
the issue. Clinton never said a total cooperation or yes,
in fact, this is true. He never really said that,
but he knew for a fact that there were things
going on. And I believe that he was one of
the presidents at the time who were more briefed and

(01:15:24):
took it more seriously than any other president other than
perhaps Barack Obama, who's made statements about it too. So
in a sense, during Paul's I guess a tenure from
two thousand and five on, I can't think of anybody
else other than possibly Clinton and possibly Obama who made
sort of side comments about this. Paul was the only

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one who came forward to say, UFOs are in fact
as real as the airplanes a fly overar head. So
in that sense, I think Dave yes, he was an
island to himself.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
You know, millions of questions to ask right now regarding
this entire Paul Heller's subject. After he leaves office, shag
Harbor happens, okay, and prior when he was in office,
I made him a little bit of a mistake. The last
half hour when he was in office, the Stephen Miklik

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case happened at Falcon Lake. Three weeks after the Liberal
government is voted out in nineteen sixty seven, shag Harbor happens.
He claimed that he had nothing, no knowledge of anything,
even in the transition of power as Minister of Defense
deputy Prime Minister, that he didn't know anything about shag Harbor.

(01:16:46):
Do you buy that story?

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Well, it's hard for me to understand. He may have
known about it. But I don't think he took it
seriously whatsoever, because at the time, the shag Harper incident
was just an incident. It was like any other incident
that really happened there I say, Ufo landing or whatever
it happens to be. Only subsequently, this is important. It's

(01:17:08):
only subsequent too. It happened years later, and Chris Styles
will corroborate this. Did the essence of what really happened
at Shag Harper come out and his way after Paul
had made his statement about it, and the kinds of
things that came forward about Shag Harbor were absolutely mind
blowing with respect to not just Shag Harbor, but the

(01:17:30):
Shell the Shellburn Harbor incident too. There were two separate
incidents that had happened. It wasn't just a shak Harbor,
so so much came forward about it, and it was
not really understood at the time how significant it was,
and they just kept on perpetuating the story that it
was just a yellow foam and it was some sort

(01:17:50):
of object that fell and there was nothing to it.
Only after Chris Styles wrote his book. I think it
was called Deep Secret or Dark Secret, whatever it was,
did all of the stuff that really happened at Shag Harbor,
the divers under the water and the RCNP being involved.
Did it really make a prominent impression on the UFO community.

(01:18:11):
And it's still a story that's it's not yet been
completely fleshed out because I know things about that particular
incident that no one else on the planet knows. I
can guarantee that, And I don't want to talk about
it right now, but I think maybe at some point
you and I need to talk about the actual nub
of of that particular incident because I have information about

(01:18:34):
it that would blow people's minds who actually saw what happened.
I don't want to be, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
So so curt and inspeculative about it, but I just
I just wish that the Navy divers would come out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Well, let me tell you something, my friend, I'd out
to even say this, but it's going to come out
eventually because I'm going to make sure it does. I
know a person whose father was one of the divers.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Bingo. There it is. We'll talk about that on another
show when you're ready to talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
And I think that once we do decide to talk
about it, I think my friend, we need to we
need to kind of bring this forward because it is
so damn important and I've held back on it now
for all the way a good seven years.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Getting back to Paul Hellier's we got about four and
a half minutes to go here. He became a very
big proponent of trying to bring disclosure forward. What did
his disclosure look.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Like in the sense of how it was perceived publicly. Yeah,
Paul was always a rogue, he really had. He was
once again someone like him who takes so many different

(01:20:11):
positions on things. He was a rogue. He was. He
was a conservative, he was a liberal. He founded his
own party. That was all because he was not happy
with or or could not reconcile the policies of the
government that he was, you know, involved in, particularly with

(01:20:31):
with the Pierre Trudeau, and he and Pierre Trudeau had
major battles over so many different things. And the reason
that I think those battles occurred were because at the
convention Paul Hellier was a whisper away from becoming Prime
Minister of candadate, Pierre Trudeau beat him out by the

(01:20:55):
width of a hair, okay, and the election results within
the selecting the leader of the Liberal Party. Paul Hellier
could have been elected the leader of the Liberal Party
when he ran against Pierre Trudeau, and he was very,
very very close. He had so much support, but it
just didn't go. It just didn't go over the finish
line for Paul, so he became disenchanted and becoming sort

(01:21:16):
of a second second fiddle to someone who was a
huge figure. Trudeau was a massive He's a polarizing figure
within the Liberal Party. That's something that Paul just could
not escape from. So as a result of that and
Paul taking a back seat with his intense views on
everything economic policy, immigration and everything, he just wasn't settled

(01:21:41):
with how the Liberals are moving. He became a Conservative
and then he founded his own party. So he tried
to find a place where he could have influence, let's
put it that way, And he wasn't very successful at
that in terms of politically gaining the notoriety within the
public domain of Canadian politics, he didn't really Although he
got to be Defense Minister and made the changes of

(01:22:04):
unifying the force and he was also involved in housing,
he never really got to a point where he was
an influential leader within any given party that it was in,
and that never sat well with Paul. I know that. So,
and that was something that I was own making in
a lot of ways, because he's damn determined about having
his own way. That's one thing that I learned about Paul.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
He did take a lot of heat over combining the military.
He took a lot of heat over scrapping the Avro
arrow program, him and diefen Baker, Yeah, our former prime
minister at the time. I mean, there was a lot
of people. I mean, basically, the killing of the Avro
Arrow program really sent Canada into an aeronautical demise that

(01:22:52):
they never recovered from.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean you have a
man like that with so many damned convictions about the
political realm within the Canadian context of politics. He was
just so invested in I'm not going to say arrogant ways.
He wasn't arrogant at whatsoever. But he was just so

(01:23:17):
damn determined to make sure that people are to want
people to understand that he had the answers to a
lot of the questions that would resolve Canadian politics in
a way that no one else could, particularly economically. If
anyone wants to read about that, get his books about
how he wanted to repair the Canadian economic system, and

(01:23:39):
he has some extremely definite ways about how to do it,
but he just, you know, like a lot of profits,
you know, you're not recognizing your own country and after
you after you're dead, you know, And that's a that's
sort of a kind of an unsung part of his history. So,
I mean, he's just stood up for so many different things,
and once he latched onto this particular issue, he was

(01:24:00):
a bulldog with it. I mean, he just didn't want
to let it go. And he may have recognized his
own inadequacies and saying maybe too much at sometimes or
at least taking positions that were so controversial, but that's
the nature of someone who's ahead of the curve, for
someone who wants people to recognize that this is an
issue that we need to pay attention to. And you know,

(01:24:21):
for all the criticism that people can hurl at him,
that was the one thing that he did do. He
brought this to the attention of the Canadian people in
a way that's still ringing true now. And and I'll
tell you something, Dave. When Paul fell about thinking that
eight months maybe before he actually passed away okay, maybe

(01:24:43):
a year and he fell and hit his head and
he was in pretty serious condition. It was a really
bad fall, but he recovered.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Hold that thought will continue to regard break here. Okay,
Victor vani or on Paul Hellier after this.

Speaker 7 (01:25:09):
You're listening to Space Down Medium with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
All right, we're good. Okay, yeah, that's uh yeah. You know,
going back to the whole Avro Aero program, I mean,
it's funny because a lot of people don't know this,
but historically speaking, the Avro Aro jet that was being
built was literally going to be a top of the

(01:25:46):
line fighter and the American government, the true story, did
not want Canada to have air superiority so they can.
So they convinced the Canadian government, Paul, you're in Prime
Minister John Diefenbaker at the time, to take a bunch
of elderly F one oh one voodoos in replace that

(01:26:10):
they would give them a deal on those planes. I
think there was like sixty seven of them or something
along those lines and scrap the Avro Arrow program. And
what it did was pretty much what's happening in the
automotive industry today where they're closing up shop on all
of these automotive industries to move them back to the US.

(01:26:33):
Great for American jobs, but not so great for what's
happening north of the border. And Canada never recovered financially
or aeronautically from the loss of the Avro Arrow. And

(01:26:54):
to this day, there are still people who cry about
this program because it would have made Canada, uh potentially
at that point in time that I mean, we're going
back sixty years now almost, that's right, Okay, it would
have made Canada another superpower in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
That's right, that's right. Yeah, it was more sophisticated than
anything that that the United States was developing. That Arenda
engine went through I think two or three modifications. It was.
It became the standard of of of almost mock three,
you know, flight flight capabilities. Yeah, yeah, that was a

(01:27:34):
real I watched that thing fly when I was a kid.
It was wow. You yeah, Malten air Force Malton Airport
is where they housed it, and it also landed a
Downsview Airport, which was just north of me where I
lived in North York. And when it took off from Malton,

(01:27:54):
Malton was oh, gosh, beyond Mississauga. I'm guessing at least
eight miles west of Toronto. When that thing started to
take off, you could hear it from my house. It
was just like a roar like you'd never heard it,
just soar right over the city and do the flips
and turns. And I saw it fly. I think I

(01:28:14):
saw that thing fly three or four times.

Speaker 5 (01:28:19):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
And it wasn't and it wasn't like right over my
house and it was up you know, maybe eight or
nine thousand feet, but boy, it was just a magnificent craft.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Yeah. It And for our American listeners, basically, basically what
happened was at the end of that when they canceled
the program, they literally people were so pissed off they
they literally moved or took all of the parts and

(01:28:52):
the aircraft and dumped them into Lake Ontario rather than
salvaging them. Okay, they just dumped them. They're like, well,
screw this. If if we can't play with them, no
one's going to play with them. The lake is going
to eat them up and ruin everything. So let's just
get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Yeah. A sad, a sad historical point in Canadian history
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yes it is, and now things are just so overpriced
and the military industrial complex is what it is today
that it's it's a chain that could never ever recover.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Now the old people who often thought, have you've seen
some of the updated drawings of what they're suggesting might
be with what the aro might look like? Now, yeah, yeah,
it's it's really kind of funny. I mean, it's all
sort of a pipe cream.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
But the only way, the only way Canada would be
able to do it is if we actually got smart
and started using our resources for our benefit rather than
the world's benefit.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Well, let's take that a step further.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Well, the unfortunate part is we only got twenty seconds,
so unfortunately I do have to have last word on that.
I apologize, right I do, But thank you tonight to Jeff,
Steve Garvey, JSCO, Lori and Kadie for the super chats.
Really appreciate it. We're coming back here in five seconds. Everybody,

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Victor Vigiani. We have until the top of the hour

(01:31:32):
talking about Paul Hellier, the legend and the man who
came out after his political career believing that UFOs are here,
alien species are here, and he was a very powerful
man and a big voice in this field. Victor, thank
you so much for coming on in pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
As always, David, it's a great, great challenge to get
all this information out and you are conduit here in
the Canadian realm to do it. You're doing a great
job at it. I'm just glad to be part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
What do you think Paul Hellier's role was in convincing
Canadian people, to politicians, especially to look at the UFO subject,
Because I think in the end it didn't go well,
and to this day it didn't go well, and even
after let me just finish here for a quick second.

(01:32:32):
So I'm having a power thought here and I don't
want to.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Know where you're going. I know where you're going. Yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Larry Maguire never got to talk to Paul Hellier about it.
He was a Conservative MP member of Parliament who came
out really pushing about UFOs, and he had been studying
the subject for about three four years before actually coming
out public. And then some idiot in British Columbia who
keeps a microphone in front of his face life end

(01:33:00):
up a meeting between Canada and the USA regarding this,
and then that's kind of how it all started taking
off on this north of the border. But the government
up here has always been very quiet about it. We
know Justin Trudeau when he was in power, was read
in at least three times on this subject. We know

(01:33:24):
his defense ministers were read in on this subject. And
yet silence. What do you think that all meant?

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Well? I think it goes back to what we talked
about earlier in the program. It goes back to the
wealth of information that I think the United States recognizes
that Canada has about this issue, and the nine five
UFFUL files proved that. And I believe that the pressure

(01:33:58):
that the United States has been able historically has been
able to press the rest of the geopolitical community across
the international spectrum to keep quiet about this issue because
the UK and France and number of other European countries
and also in Latin America has so much information about

(01:34:23):
that and the United States has played a major role
in keeping these countries under wraps. And I think that's
one of the major reasons why Canadian politicians have chosen
to become mum about this issue, because it probably came
down from high, depending on what the prime minister, what
was in power at the time. It came down from

(01:34:45):
on high. We are going to follow the lead of
the United States and keeping it quiet. And what kind
of sanctions was were these countries threatened by? Who knows?
I mean, maybe there's economic pressure, maybe there was other
political pressure, maybe there was an intelligence community I'd work
in keeping not just Canada but other countries quiet about

(01:35:06):
this whole issue. But it all serves to prove that
the United States, in its attempt to become the controller
of the geopolitical realm through its the project of the
New American Century that I mentioned earlier. It just shows
how powerful the United States was in keeping this important
issue under wraps, and I think all Canadian politicians bought

(01:35:29):
into that, irrespective of their rank and the government or
their feelings about this whole issue, because several MPs have
raised the issue on the floor of the House of
Commons before, but never got any answers from the Department
of Defense about what was going on or the Department
of Transport, which many people don't realize how influential the

(01:35:49):
Department of Transport was in making this a particular issue.
The Wilbert Smith incident, which we could talk about if
you wish later on, was one of the key factors
and how the United States was trying to control the issue.
So that whole thing was definitely part and parts of
why politicians here in Canada never were permitted. I don't

(01:36:11):
know how that happens in the in the back rooms
of you know, of the cabinet or the political caucuses.
I don't know how that works, but they were just
not given the permission to talk about it. No questions
came forward on the floor of the House of Comments
or if there was a question it was, it was
dealt with it in a very curt and dismissive way.
So that was just the way things happened. And it

(01:36:33):
could largely due Dave too, to the influence of the
United States that had to tell Canadian politicians to keep
their mouth shut. I'll be as blunt as that. I mean,
that's just the way. If you read the memo, it's
on my website regarding the United States control it's on
my website, and how the Canadian government admitted that we
will play down UFOs as according to the US policy.

(01:36:55):
It says that play down UFO policy, and it that's
just it just filtered through everything. And as a result
of that, Paul Hellier coming forward after he was well
after he was an elected representative, it didn't go down
well with with the with the people in power, and
I think as a result of that, it stayed as
a mum issue until, as you said earlier, Larry McGuire

(01:37:19):
raised this issue in the way that he did, and
that's also on my website too. It was a very
good chronologist to how that happened and who he spoke to,
and if you listened to John Hanniford, who was a
deputy minister of I think national he was a deputy
Minister of National Safety or whatever it was. He was
a deputy minister at the time, and and Larry McGuire

(01:37:39):
pushed him to the wall. Have you heard about what's
going on in Sweden. Have you heard about with the
legislation in the United States about UAP? Have you heard
about the hearings? And and John Haniford played dumb the
whole time. Whether he did not know anything or whether
he was playing dumb, we don't know. I can't say
that for a fact. But it was the policy of
the Canadian government to state career and Larry was the first

(01:38:01):
one to challenge a deputy minister on that. And as
a result of that, he also wrote a letter to
Anita Annon, the deputy the actual Minister of Defense, challenging
her to come forward about it, about the whole issue.
And as a result of all of that, what happened
was Sky the Sky Canada project came into being, and

(01:38:21):
that's another issue. That's another thing we can talk about.
So all of this stuff that Larry maguire learned, I'm
convinced that he was was actively paying attention to at
least some of the things that Paul Halley was talking about,
and he took this under his wing and moved forward
with it. Was in a very very demonstrative way.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Sky Canada finally came out with their their report. It
wasn't the full report, just some detail on it. I
was surprised they came out with it. Considering doctor Moninimer,
Canada's top scientist, who did sit in in private meetings
into the UFO topic with members from the United States,

(01:39:06):
whether it was Chris Mellon or Louie Elizonda or NASA
members or whoever, I was surprised that she was getting
as railroaded as she did by some of Canada's alphabet
agencies trying to gather information. What's your thoughts on.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
This, Well, it's basically I have two feelings about that report.
It's a curse in one way because of the way
it was managed and brought out and and and and
the content of it. But it was also a blessing
in another way, and I could talk to both things.
It's it's in the sense that it was a good thing.

(01:39:47):
It was motivated by I'm convinced by by Larry Maguire's
letters to all the ministers and do this the machinations
as to how this all came about through the University
of Ottawa and and doctor mon and Emer, they had
to do something that was that's my assessment of it.
They had to do something to quiet down the conversation.

(01:40:09):
So what they did was they contacted Newfon Canada. They
contacted an organization JPAN in Quebec, several independent UFO researchers
like Chris ord Kosky look at me going on him
and several other individuals groups in Canada, Okay, and they say,

(01:40:31):
give us your stuff, give us your data. So they
dumped all this data and I know all the people
that were involved in this, Mewfon Canada, I know the
director was involved in this. So they dumped the data
to the University of Ottawa and doctor mon and Emer
and they put all this stuff together at all it
was David, as you well know, was just a chronology

(01:40:51):
that a We've had this many sightings, this many years
of this, and that many in Quebec, and that many
in Saskatchewana, that many and didn't deal with the any
of the key issues about this, didn't mention Paul Hellier
at all, nothing like that. They just stated the UFO
numbers and what they look like, and that the need

(01:41:11):
for science to get more involved and the need for
agencies to be developed within Canada to report you. It
was just a nothing bar. It was an absolute nothing bar, okay,
And they did it just to placate people whoever they
whoever generated interest and say, okay, let's put let's just
throw the public a bone here. That's what it is.

(01:41:32):
It just threw as a bone. All it is is
nothing more than that. And they did a really good
job of it. It looks really official and looks oh
why to people in Canada who don't know anything about
the UFO issue, who will know a little about it,
they're gonna say, my goodness, that's fantastic, said, wow, this
is really government's talking about UFOs. There's nothing about it

(01:41:52):
says nothing about the reality of what's going on. And
that's why a CTV reporter and I'm not going to
mention his name, they don't want to get in trouble.
It talks about this guy Canada approach as you know,
as the major you know, realization or revelation about Canada's UFOs.
There's a lot of bullshit, okay, And CTV is responsible

(01:42:13):
for for propping this thing up as a nothing bar
and I have a big problem with it, big, big
problem with the way CTV has handled this whole thing.
And this particular journalist was interviewed by Russ coltheart and
let me tell you that this journalist, I'll just leave
it right there. Anyways, the fact of the matter is politically,

(01:42:36):
it died a slow death. No one mentions it anymore.
So it's just it's it's just nothing. And I think
part two is going to be even less than that.
They don't either, I have.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
I have an inside source on that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Well okay, yeah, and you're.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
Right so far. You are right. And I can say
that my source helped write it, helped write the Sky
Canada project, and they're waiting to see what happens governmentally.

(01:43:12):
That's what I've been told.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Whoever wrote this, pardon me for being blunt, but whoever
wrote the damn thing to be shot and pissed on. Okay, Yeah,
that's not a nice thing to say. But this issue
is so goddamn important, Dave, that the way it was
handled is a crime. It's an absolute crime. The way
this thing was handled, there's no doubt about it. In

(01:43:36):
my mind, it was whitewashed. Yeah, exactly. It gave whoever
made the decision to say, Okay, we've got to do
something now, whether it was the primary.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
Let me to capture your emotion here for a minute, Okay,
because no, but I have a good point on this,
because it's frustrating for me as well you and me
and people like us. We're more advanced on the UFO SEB.
We're not about the nuts and bolts. We're about the beings.
Where are they coming from? Where are they stationed? Are

(01:44:08):
they interdimensional? Are they from space? Are they time travelers?
We're at that level. They're treating this like the United
States did when the TTSA The to the Stars Academy
came out and the New York Times article came out,
where it's all about nuts and bolts. We can't get
into the WU because the people are not going to

(01:44:30):
support the WU. We have to go at this from
a technical point of view. And that's where the Canadian
government in Sky Canada, I think dropped the ball because
they are literally seven eight years behind what the US
has been putting out.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
Your thoughts. Oh, you're exactly right. I couldn't. I couldn't
describe it any more clear than you just did the
way I look at the whole the UFO issue. There's
more than two parts. But I look at the UFO
issues in two ways. First of all, there's, like you said,
there's the nuts and bolts issue of this whole, this
whole thing, which is an incredibly deep, profound and bizarre

(01:45:15):
kind of way of thinking. The perceptions about what UFOs
could be or what they are scientifically is intriguing, their
methods of propulsion and what they might look like. But
it does not deal with the other side, where are
they from, who's in charge of those things? Why are
they hear you know? Why are they taking our people?
Those two issues have yet to come together to coalesce

(01:45:39):
into one major issue about disclosure that not only is
a UFOs real, these things are from someplace else, and
we're not dealing with that issue. And that's the big
contention that I have with the Sky Canada approach. It
doesn't deal with that. It hasn't melded those two issues
yet properly, and that's why I say. And then the

(01:45:59):
damn part of it is is They know the difference, David.
They know the difference, they know it, and they're still
propagating this bullshit about UFOs being this and that there's
number though it looked it was a cloudy day and
it came up about ten fears. Dad. They have no
idea what they're talking about. And I would love to
be alone in the room or at least at a

(01:46:20):
desk with monent memories. Doctor, just tell me what do
you really think was going on here? What's going on?
And you know she's going to say nothing, that's right, nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
I mean, if you go back in history, Wilbur Smith
was the top eufologist in the world. His research led
to the start of Project Bluebook in the United States,
which led to the creation of doctor j. Allen Heinek
and a great history of this subject in the United States.

(01:46:57):
We have never capitalized on that. We don't have the information.
I mean, you're also talking about governments in the past,
Victor that have allowed American helicopters and ads and crash
recovery crews to come into Canada and pick up these
UFOs and take them into the United States without basically

(01:47:22):
any any issues whatsoever. It's like, oh, you're here to
pick it up. Well, that's ours. We're Canadian. Well we
don't care you're Canadian. We're taking this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
That's right. Well, it's the same thing that happened that
with the UFO crash that was reported in northern Saskatchewan.
They took the craft, they picked up the pieces and
sent it to a laboratory crime laboratory to be analyzed
in Regina. And we don't know where these where these
fragments are right now. And there's a report on that
on that I have on my website about it. The
other thing you go, going back to Wilbert Smith that

(01:47:53):
no one has and you're probably going to be seen
for the very first time on Canadian radio or whatever.
We got here is I have written notes here, handwritten
notes written by Wilbert Smith in his interview with doctor
Robert Sauerbacher in Washington, d C. About the UFO issue.
This has never been seen before. Now that you've got

(01:48:14):
you've got the Transport Canada memo that the Wilbert Smith wrote. Okay,
well it says UFOs you're real and there's several items
that there the propulsion. But this is the actual transcript,
handwritten transcript by Wilbert Smith about his interview with Starbacker.
And I'm planning to publish this as soon as I

(01:48:36):
could find a way to properly digitize it to show.
And then the line reads, here, Robert Sauerberger, the fact
reported in the book are substantially correct. And then Wilber
Smith asked, then then the Saucers do exist? Question mark
sauer Backer. Yes they exist. It says that right here

(01:48:58):
in handwritten notes and Wilbert Smith and nobody else has
that been me? And you know where I found that,
Paul Hallier's library that he gave it to me, and
I still have the box that I'm halfway through. I
have yet to find out exactly what more Paul Helier
has in his library.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Always ties back to Paul Heilier.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
It always goes back. I mean, did why did Paul?
How did get Paul? How did Paul get that? I'm
going to try to find that out how he did?
And I think I know how, but that's another question. Uh.
The whole thing, I guess, the whole issue is Paul
brushed the fur on this issue and any other way. Okay,

(01:49:39):
you know when you pet a dog, you used to
get your pet a dog. You know, you go with
the fur. If you want to really upset the dog,
you brush the fur the other way, and the dog's
gonna run away. That's what Paul did. He brushed the
fur the other way, and everybody just damn well ran
away from the whole issue. We don't want to hear it.
We don't want to hear it. That's the government response,
and I think the Sky Project Canada is a response

(01:50:00):
of that. They're afraid of what Paul Heller really felt.
If they really examined what Paul found out and knew
and and and was the pioneer about he got he
got to the surface of it, if they find out
more about it, and all they've got to do is
talk to me. But they haven't. They haven't said a
word to me. I know more about this issue, and

(01:50:20):
I blow my own horn here other than possibly Grant Cameron.

Speaker 1 (01:50:25):
Yes, one final question is we got about four minutes
to go here go yeah. In your estimation, where is
Canada hiding their UFO recoveries, their UFO information, like we
always believe it's at right Patterson Air Force Base in
the US or area fifty one? Where is this being

(01:50:48):
hidden in Canada? Is it Cold Lake? Is it Sufffield
or Suffolk Suffield?

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Pardon me, yeah, Suffield, I would think, but I would
think both. I would think both and and and And
one of the reasons why I say that is because
Norad is so involved in all of this issue that
the co terminus relationship between Nourrad and the United States,
they have the nord has control over where this information resides.

(01:51:14):
And I'm convinced that's I would say Cold Lake for sure,
for sure, but I'm not sure about the other one.
And if there's deep information that's going to be and
I'm talking about information about crash retrievals and all of that,
and the crash retrieval stuff in Canada is an issue
that you yet to be resolved, and that once that

(01:51:35):
comes forward, if we find out more about that, that's
going to be a barnbuster. If Canada is willing to
come forward on which I don't think Monaemer would even
want to touch with a ten foot pole, But I
think Cold Lake is probably your best bet there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
That's just my I would agree on that too. And
I think that it's going to be interesting to see
how this all plays out over the next probably year,
going into at least mid twenty twenty six before we
get any other issue. And one of the issues that
we have is we only got about two minutes to go.

(01:52:09):
Is Canada does not have a strong media that will
ask these type of questions they do that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
That's what Yeah, that's what the Canadians for Disclosure group
that I'm director of with two other people from here
in Oakville in Ontario and went out in BC, the
Canadians for Disclosure Group. We've got about one hundred and
ten or one hundred and twelve people across Canada who
joined the group and we are trying to get information

(01:52:40):
to the members of Parliament about the issue and trying
to involve the media and the Canadians for Disclosure. If
you want to find out more about it, go to
my website. And we're really working hard to engage members
of Parliament. Not necessary to disclose or anything like that.
What we want to do is just make them aware
of the issues that you have just raised, the issues
that I've just raised, just to make them aware of

(01:53:00):
Canadian's long history about this. And what we want them
to do, David, is give them enough information. Yes, it
flood them with information so that they can ask a question,
how long has this stuff been going on? Why don't
I know about it? And that's what Canadian's for disclosure
are all about.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
One of the issues that you're going to have is
we got about a minute to go. Is since Larry
Maguire retired. I asked one of my sources in Ottawa,
who's the next one stepping up in this subject? And
right now the answer is I don't know. And that's
where I think you have to push Raquel Dancho, you
have to push Michelle rymple Garner. Those are the two

(01:53:40):
you need to push. It's nothing's coming out of the
liberal government, nothing's coming out of the other parties. And
right now this subject, much like the US, due to
Canada's economy and everything else, is this subject is going
to be right down at the bottom of the barrel.
Once again, Victor Vigiani, tell everybody where they can find
your information h.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
Zeland Communications blogspot dot com, Zealand Communications dot blogspot dot com.
Go there and you'll get all the Canadian stuff that's hot.
And there's editorials, press releases, uh public opinions, pictures, videos,
everything that you know. UFO videos I don't publish UFO videos.

(01:54:23):
But everything you want to know about what's happening in
Canada right now, you go to Zeland Communications and you'll
find out about it. Sure nobody else does it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Victor Vigiani and everybody. We will bring him on again
in a couple of months, coming up next on spaced
Out Radio, Swamp Dweller. Then Robin Haynes is here for
the Q and A. We'll be right back.

Speaker 7 (01:54:44):
And you're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host
Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
Great job, Victor, pretty boring. No, it was fantastic, No,
it was fantastic. I might have some ideas for you.
So I'm actually off tomorrow. I'm taking I got my
day off, my daytime job tomorrow, So if you want
to chat about that, I can sure.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
Yeah. Well, the idea that you mentioned regarding other people
in the government, James Bezon is another one. He's the
Conservative Department of Defense Credit. He's another one who's made
public statements about it. So yeah, there are a number
of people, Dan show we're going after here. How much
time do we have here before you go back?

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
I got to get going here in about thirty seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Okay. My Member of Parliament, Charles Sousa is the chair
of the Standing Committee on National Defense and given him
a briefing on this. Yeah, two hour briefing on this.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
Good.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
Yeah, So we're moving forward. Your ideas would be creative.
We need to get through these members, We need to anyways,
let's talk tomorrow for sure. Thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
All right, Victor, take care? Oh bye now, Victor VICIANI everybody,
I will be right.

Speaker 5 (01:56:11):
Back US.

Speaker 8 (01:57:37):
USA, USA, all right, I am back.

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Speaker 6 (02:02:39):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radios Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of them no sharing tales of monsters, legends and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 6 (02:02:55):
I have an idea of what's going on in the woods.
Just cheer me out. This isn't a long story, but
I have to tell someone. I live in northern Tennessee,
about thirty minutes north of Nashville. One weekend in the
spring of twenty nineteen, I went to the Great Smoky
Mountain National Park alone. I just needed to get away

(02:03:16):
for a bit. Newly single trouble paying my new g
Brangular aka cashtrain I thought I had to have. I
was alone. It was a typical pleasant April day. I
had gone to Klingman's Dome, I had hit some of
the silly tourist shops, et cetera. I didn't have my
camping material, so I decided to stay at a local

(02:03:36):
hotel not too far away. Even though I consider myself
pretty experienced in the woods, plenty of times I have
wandered off the trail in campsass hiked, which I wouldn't
recommend doing alone. Anyways, sorry to stray. Day two of
my little trip, I get up at about six am,
eat breakfast, et cetera. I decided to go on a

(02:03:58):
day long hike. I'm close to a place called Grotto Falls,
which is a very pretty and scenic area. I've not
seen any other hikers, nor have I seen much wildlife,
which is a little odd, but I don't think much
of it. I set down and eat some energy bars.
I take with my food energy bars, water matches, flashlight, firearm,

(02:04:22):
et cetera. I'm setting up next to a tree, enjoying
the beautiful overcast day, not the depressing kind of gray rain,
but the kind of nostalgia October gray where the clouds
look like cotton candy due to the sun. Suddenly I
see a movement about thirty yards ahead of me. It's
tough to tell what it is as I squint and

(02:04:44):
move a tag closer. I know it sounds crazy. The
only way I can describe what I see is a
human shaped figure that's hard to focus on. It's a
silver colored but transparent in a way, almost like it
was beam, but couldn't fully form or complete its beam.
I couldn't move at all. I couldn't see any facial features,

(02:05:07):
but I could tell and feel that I was being watched.
I couldn't even muster words. I did not get any
bad vibes. In fact, I got a very warming, loving
vibe or feel in the air as it was looking
at me. I just got the vibe that I don't know,
lonely or maybe some sort of curious vibe about me.

(02:05:29):
I don't know how to explain this. It was very beautiful.
I was finally able to mutter out a half choking hi.
When it moved to the left. It walked upright like
a human, but faster than a human could ever move.
It was almost digitized.

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
Who are you?

Speaker 6 (02:05:48):
I was able to say, to my surprise and shock,
I got some kind of mutter sound. It sounded like
something unrecognizable. I really don't know, as it was kind
of walking away and then vanished. Maybe it was all
in my head, but putting it together, it almost sounded
like sorry, I bothered, like English wasn't its first language.

(02:06:12):
I find myself sad to see it go. I can't
explain it. Most of these encounters people are terrified, but
I got a very warm vibe from this. I haven't
been the same since. Honestly, I would give anything to
encounter it again. I find myself going back through all
the time, but I have never had any experiences like
that again. In fact, I'm going back there today and

(02:06:35):
hoping I encounter this thing. I don't know if it
was some kind of government created being or some kind
of being from another dimension. That couldn't show itself, or
there's always the possibility I'm crazy. I know you're probably
going to ask why I didn't take a picture or
shoot any kind of video. Well, it's easy to say,
but when you're actually in a crazy situation, it's a

(02:06:56):
lot tougher to think clearly than you think.

Speaker 1 (02:06:59):
Thank you swamp Weller for another creepy story. If you
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It's time to bring in Robin Haines for the Cryptid
Q and a.

Speaker 10 (02:07:24):
Mop Soft were the tawtrees, Swing gets, Bigfoot whisper say.

Speaker 5 (02:07:32):
The Forest.

Speaker 3 (02:07:35):
They put psychic.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
Talks to Sasquatch every day.

Speaker 10 (02:07:39):
Only on Space Down Radioscryptic Cuban.

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
Name Robin Haynes coming on in with a new intro.
I finally got it done for you, Robin.

Speaker 9 (02:07:51):
Oh my gosh, I'm honored. That is amazing.

Speaker 11 (02:07:56):
I didn't even know you were doing that.

Speaker 9 (02:07:58):
It is so sweet.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
I kept it secret and I got a song.

Speaker 9 (02:08:02):
You are for you absolute best. I adore you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
You're welcome. You are very very welcome.

Speaker 9 (02:08:11):
That is one of the nicest things ever.

Speaker 1 (02:08:14):
I will send you a copy.

Speaker 9 (02:08:16):
Okay, yeah, please do I love it. How are you tonight?

Speaker 1 (02:08:21):
I am good. I've been reflecting so for people who
don't know, it had been six weeks since I had
been out to Flight twenty one, and I went with
my good friend Mark Spender, who there's a little group
of us, very small that go out here, and you know,

(02:08:43):
with Tim not being able to make it right now
due to his health, I had to get back out
there because literally, Robin I was starting to be haunted
by the location again and I started getting these I'm
going to call them telepathic messages, where are you? Why
aren't you here? You have to come back? And it

(02:09:07):
almost was to the point about a week ago where
I was I was starting to panic over it, and
I literally called up my buddy Mark and I because
I know he's a real busy guy, and I said, Mark,
I don't ask for a lot of favors, but I
need this. I need this, And I think Mark needed

(02:09:27):
it too, to be blunt, because he hadn't been out
there in over a year and it was great being
back out there. It was not the same and what
I mean by that not being the same. The area
is familiar with Mark because Mark has been going there

(02:09:49):
for the same amount of time I have been in years.
But it felt very how can I put this, very timid,
like almost like restarting from the beginning, and I didn't
like that. It bothered me your thoughts.

Speaker 11 (02:10:14):
First of all, I want to tell you did get
telepathic messages because they were getting hold of me wanting
to know where you were. So you're one hundred percent
right on that you were getting messages from them.

Speaker 9 (02:10:27):
That's why you felt the way you did.

Speaker 3 (02:10:30):
Two.

Speaker 11 (02:10:30):
For anybody out there that wants to know how to
start up a research area, how to do it the
correct way, Dave is a great example, like he really
when him and Tim were going out there, they did
it correctly. And because they did, they have built up
a relationship with the cryptids out there and with the

(02:10:51):
spirits out there, and even the ets when they've been around. Okay,
so now there's this shift change and Mark goes out
with them, and you're right, they were tim But it
went beautifully, It really did. I don't think it could
have gone any better. I think it was a great

(02:11:11):
way to bring Mark back in. They seemed very you know,
they were a little bit anxious to see what was
going to happen. They didn't know where Tim was. They'd
seen Mark before, but now he was there, and I
think they knew remember these things read your intent, yes,
and the intent was, He's not just here as a
casual thing. This is somebody that potentially could be coming

(02:11:33):
out more often. That changes things, That changes the dynamics.
They handled it extremely well.

Speaker 9 (02:11:43):
I think, what did we say?

Speaker 11 (02:11:44):
There was like five total that were there, Yes, and
there were three that were up closer to you.

Speaker 9 (02:11:51):
They did wonderfully. You guys handled it perfectly.

Speaker 11 (02:11:55):
I'm like, I get I'm so proud of you because
I talk and a lot of times nobody listens.

Speaker 9 (02:12:01):
But the thing of it is is you guys are
doing things the right way.

Speaker 11 (02:12:06):
Yes, it feels like you've been set back a little
bit some ways you have. You are starting over with Mark,
But I don't want you to feel like you're starting
the whole process over. They are very well acquainted with you,
They like you very much. They already have trust built
in you.

Speaker 9 (02:12:21):
They will get.

Speaker 11 (02:12:22):
Caught up with Mark quicker than they did when you
and Tim first came out there because they believe in you. Okay,
and this isn't the first time Mark has been there.
They were more accepting a Mark than I thought they'd be. Okay,
there's a really there's a difference culturally in the Sasquatch
in like the ones in Michigan opposed to in Canada

(02:12:46):
where you're at Yours are a little bit I don't
want to say less civilized, because that's not really it either,
but they are just a tad bit more uppity. You know,
there's more remote places where they can go to get
away from people, so they are a little bit more
not even really high strung.

Speaker 9 (02:13:03):
They're just a difference in them.

Speaker 5 (02:13:06):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:13:06):
It's like the same way is when I go to
my place in Texas. There's a difference in the ones
they are opposed to Michigan, South Carolina. They're just more standoffish.
They want to hover around you, but you know, they
don't want too much content.

Speaker 9 (02:13:21):
And they handled it really well.

Speaker 11 (02:13:26):
Like when I talked to you that night, when I
finally did get a chance to talk to you, I
was so impressed. And when I talked to them and
I asked them how things went, I thought they handled
it much better than what I thought they would.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
Yeah, and that's and that's good to hear because we
did sense them. We did sense them, and it was
something that you know, Mark, who is really building up
his own intuition and everything, he immediately picked it up
on the energy that was way. They were way in

(02:14:02):
the back. They were way in the back. But when
you're in that situation, and I don't know if a
lot of people will recognize this, when you go into
the forest, you have this human ability to pick up
when something big is around you and being big. I'm
not saying just sasquatch. It could be a bear, it

(02:14:25):
could be a mountain lion, it could be a moose
or an elk or or whatever it may be. You
get this sense that you're not alone, that you were
sharing territory. Was something big at that moment, and we
got that when we went back to the gifting site.

(02:14:46):
We got that moment, you know that there was something
big out there, and you know, I could tell Mark
was a little bit hesitant because it had been a while, okay,
and we're also at the time of year where a
lot of big animals are moving and it's it was

(02:15:06):
very much a you know, we knew the area they were,
it didn't feel like we were invited, so we didn't
kind of go into that area. I did, though, take
Mark to where the droppings were okay, and he got
down on and at first he goes, well, you know,

(02:15:26):
it could be a bear, and then I said, Mark,
I don't think it's bear. And when he got down closer,
he actually picked up a piece of it okay, and
broke it apart just to see what was inside. And
he was like, that's not a bear. He go I said,
I said, a bear is not going to back their

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butt into a tree mark and all of a sudden
drop a deuce right there. It's not going to do that,
and he agreed, and he is baffled by it and
was not sure of what kind of dropping this was.
So it was good to see him kind of getting

(02:16:09):
back into it. I think it got him excited. I'm
hoping that we're going to be able to go out
again on Sunday, to go back out there so we
could check the trail cams we did for the public.
We did do a couple of things. Number One, we
did film. We did film with myself as cameraman and

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I got a great interview with Mark and his encounters
that have happened at Flight twenty one, and I'm going
to be hopefully publishing that soon under the Secrets of
the Forest. I might even try and get it set
up for tomorrow for our YouTube membership and then for
the public after that. But the other thing too, was that,

(02:16:53):
you know, putting up the trail cameras. We did put
one up by the gifting site, and we did say,
and I used your words exactly, I said, we are
putting this up to see what kind of animals are
potentially messing with the gifting sight. Is it people or

(02:17:14):
is it animals? I said, if you want your picture taken,
you're more than welcome to come in and have your
photo taken. The camera will not hurt you, It will
not do anything that damages you. We just want to
see who or what is moving the items, because there
was the quarter had moved again. The quarter had moved

(02:17:37):
approximately three inches from where it was, and the ring
had gone from in the treed on the ground. Nothing
else had moved. The courts didn't move, which I'm still surprised.
The jade, the jade didn't move. I'm still surprised over that,
so trying to find that balance. But we did put

(02:18:02):
the camera up and now we're going to see.

Speaker 11 (02:18:06):
Well, first off, I want to tell you that the
reason when you go out in the woods like that,
and like you said, you could tell that there was
something large out there one hundred percent right. But what
happens is your body is made of energy and frequency,
your soul, your consciousness. Okay, it's not third dimensional. The
body is, but the rest isn't. So your body reads

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energy even if you don't know what's reading energy, it does.

Speaker 9 (02:18:32):
And there's a disconnect and a lag.

Speaker 11 (02:18:34):
Time between when your body reads energy and it gets
to your brain because your brain's third dimensional. So when
you're out there and these other creatures, whether it's a
sasquatch or a bear, are around, everything radiates energy and frequency,
your body picks it up.

Speaker 9 (02:18:52):
You are an energy meter, so.

Speaker 11 (02:18:54):
Your body picks it up before it even gets to
your brain. And that's why you have that feeling that
something is there. You're absolutely one hundred percent right. Energy
doesn't lie, frequency doesn't lie, impossible, So your body's picking
that up. That's like when I work with people, the
first thing I do is I teach them how to
read energy and frequency because it keeps them safe.

Speaker 9 (02:19:17):
So if you aren't seeing.

Speaker 11 (02:19:18):
Any things around, you're going to know that something's around,
and you're going to know if it's good or bad
because a negative or a bad energy and frequency, you're
going to feel that bad. You're going to feel the
darkness in it. So that's why you pick it up.
And you have to remember you've been doing.

Speaker 9 (02:19:34):
This a while.

Speaker 11 (02:19:35):
You are so much more advanced in your abilities and
skill set that you had or that you have. You know,
your frequency is off the charts now. Two years ago
it was still high, but it's not where it is now.
Everybody has a baseline for abilities and when you raise
that frequency, that's how you tap into those abilities. So

(02:19:55):
you're going to start picking up on all that stuff,
like you're doing fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:20:01):
Well, like I said, it's all going to depend on
mark schedule and whether or not it aligns with what
I'm doing. And we are on a time limit now,
like the time limit has officially kicked in, and we
are going to try our best to get a few
more times in there before we have to shut it

(02:20:21):
down for winter, probably within the next four to eight weeks.

Speaker 11 (02:20:27):
Yeah, Well, and everybody needs to know too. The sasquatch
in a cryptid. Okay, we already know animals do it,
but the cryptids, and they're not animals, but the cryptids.
They're getting ready for winter as well, which means extra hunting.
They're trying to get extra food sources set up.

Speaker 9 (02:20:49):
They will, you know, get.

Speaker 11 (02:20:52):
Extra food, they'll bury it, they'll put it in caves,
they'll put it wherever they need to. So they are
really out and about right now. They're very active. They've
got a lot of things going on. They're trying to
get ready to prepare for winter. Like David your case,
you know, it gets so much heavy snow there, so
they've really got to be on their a game. In
the south over here, you know, they get ready, but

(02:21:12):
there's not a whole lot they have to do Michigan,
that's all together different. You know, they've been preparing since September,
in October, so they're out right now.

Speaker 9 (02:21:20):
They're getting all that.

Speaker 11 (02:21:21):
Extra food, whether it's berries, whether it's meat, you know, whatever,
they've got to have to sustain through the winter. They'll
hunt all winter long, but food is more scarce.

Speaker 1 (02:21:31):
Than Yeah, I can totally totally see that as you
as you talk about that and realistically, as we got
about two and a half minutes to go here before
we go to break at the bottom of the hour
with Robin Haynes. Realistically, I'm hoping to get that comfortability again.
I'm really hoping that we can we can try our

(02:21:54):
best too to gain that trust in that communication, because
I think it's going to be important, you know, And
I don't know if it's going to take another set
of weeks. But one thing that I do know that
I am determined for is, you know, hopefully Tim can
come back next year. You're regarding it, because I know

(02:22:18):
there was there was this energy around that where's Tim?
Where's Tim? I didn't want to say that in front
of Mark because I didn't want Mark to feel bad,
you know, right or as a second you know, as
a second side dish kind of thing. You know, nobody
ever wants to be that person.

Speaker 11 (02:22:36):
No, and they don't take change well and they know
there's the difference. But they did say, and they said
it again while you were talking, we are friends. Yes,
we are still friends. So I think you're going to
be surprised. I mean, they handled it better than I
thought they would. Yeah, and they you know, they feel

(02:22:56):
really comfortable. I mean it's going to move quicker than
it did when you first started. It'll take a little
bit because it is inbred in them to be cautious. Yeah,
their very lives depend on it. But I think you're
going to be fine.

Speaker 1 (02:23:08):
Well. I think too that next year I am going
to have in order to alleviate any type of situation
next year that could hinder the investigation, I do need
to build up the team, or build up a team
by at least two more people. I think if I

(02:23:28):
had a team of four, if one has to back out,
there's still three of us that could go in there.
Of course, I'm going to get them all cleared. You know,
the site will tell you whether or not it wants
you that, if it wants those people there or not.
So that's where I got to go by.

Speaker 11 (02:23:47):
Yeah, you just got to be careful because they get
overwhelmed and overstimulated extremely easy. You don't ever want to
do it by yourself, but you've got to be careful
because I had you know, somebody asked me the other day,
are they autistic? They're not autistic? I know we had
people that said they are not autistic. It's a different culture,

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that's the issue. But they do get over stimulated very
easy because they are so always concerned about being trapped,
being caught, being stocked.

Speaker 1 (02:24:17):
Yes, yeah, well I'll definitely bring in those type of
people that will have that same admiration and respect. Robin,
I'm going to get you to hold on right there.
When we return on space Out Radio for the final
half hour the crypted Q and A, we'll get some
audience questions, we'll talk more Sasquatch, Bagfoot, and go from there.

Speaker 12 (02:24:39):
We'll be right back and this is spaced Out Radio,
and your host's name Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:25:05):
All right, we're clear.

Speaker 9 (02:25:07):
I absolutely love this song I am.

Speaker 1 (02:25:10):
Do you want me to play it again for you? No?

Speaker 9 (02:25:13):
No, no, it was wonderful. I was so surprised.

Speaker 1 (02:25:17):
Oh my gosh, Now you can listen to it without surprise.
Here we go, love Soft.

Speaker 10 (02:25:29):
Were the Tall Trees, sweet gen Bigfoot, whisper say the forest,
big Foot, psychic talks to sasquatch every day, face down
the radios, Cryptic Cuban Day.

Speaker 9 (02:25:51):
Oh my god, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
I thought you would like that.

Speaker 9 (02:25:55):
Oh my god, thank you so much. That is so sweet.

Speaker 11 (02:25:59):
K I care I know I love you your group
out there. They really are handling it well, you know.
And they're like, just remember we are friends. We are friends,
And I said, I will tell him you are friends.

Speaker 3 (02:26:13):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:26:14):
I think it went better than you know, even definitely
better than what I thought. I thought they would be
more apprehensive. I think they were a little anxious. I
don't even think they were really tense. They were a
little bit on edge, just to see which way it
would go.

Speaker 9 (02:26:30):
But that's what I would expect.

Speaker 11 (02:26:32):
Yeah, but I think they did better than what I
thought they would. Yeah, you must have been talking to
him when you were out there or on your way there.

Speaker 1 (02:26:41):
Oh yeah, And I had told him.

Speaker 11 (02:26:45):
Yeah, But I had told him too, you know, he's
going to try to bring somebody else out, if somebody
you've met before, it's going to be fine, you know.
And I had told him that on and off during
the week. And I don't think it had as much
to do with me talking to him as you do
on the way out there. And you guys handled yourselves
really well, Like that's a good thing about you. No

(02:27:07):
matter what different circumstances are out there, you handle it
like a champ with them, like you handle it with
respect for them, compassion for them, and they know that
they pick it up off of you.

Speaker 9 (02:27:20):
So that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:27:22):
It was just so nice to be out there again.
It really was.

Speaker 2 (02:27:27):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:27:27):
Yeah, by the way, if you got a Facebook message,
that's from me, I sang a song over oh thank you.

Speaker 11 (02:27:36):
Yeah, you know they respect you as well, so I
you know, it'll take a little bit, but I think
it's really.

Speaker 9 (02:27:45):
Going to be fine.

Speaker 11 (02:27:46):
I mean at this point, they didn't show any indications
after you know, I'd got your message and I was
talking to them, they didn't show any indication of an issue, right.

Speaker 1 (02:27:59):
Which is good. Yeah, which is good.

Speaker 9 (02:28:03):
Yea, it was fantastic, So that's that's great.

Speaker 1 (02:28:10):
Well, hopefully they can continue to excuse me to see
that we're making an effort.

Speaker 9 (02:28:26):
Yeah, well, they missed you, they missed you.

Speaker 3 (02:28:30):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:28:31):
The feeling was mutual, like getting back out there. Like Mark.
One of the first things Mark said night. We didn't
get it on camera, but one of the first things
that he said when he got out of the vehicle
was he heard a voice in his head that said
welcome home.

Speaker 3 (02:28:48):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (02:28:50):
Well, and because of the frequency they are, you get
used to that and when it's you're not around it,
you live miss it.

Speaker 9 (02:29:00):
Like it's almost like going through withdrawals.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 9 (02:29:08):
I'm so glad it went so well. What a relief.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
Yeah yeah. It would just be nice to uh to
uh have you know, a full full uh unit on that,
so that way it would be you know good. I
think I think four people would be perfect. I really

(02:29:35):
do think four people would be perfect. My perfect team
would be would be Mark and Tim mm hmm, and
probably one more. I'd like. There there's a woman that
I need to interview regarding this, and I don't think
she's ready now, but could be ready for next year.

Speaker 10 (02:29:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:30:00):
Yeah, So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
We got about twenty two seconds here, and they're going.

Speaker 9 (02:30:11):
To tell you if they think it's too many. Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:30:15):
No more than four, yeah, but one second. Robin. Thank
you to Kitty, Lori, Jco, Jeff, Steve Garvey and CS
for the super chat tonight. Greatly appreciate the love. Here
we go at the next half hour. We're into the

(02:30:48):
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Here's Robin Haynes' final half hour with her in the
Cryptid Q and A and Robin. As we continue on here,
I do want to get your opinion because it was
the fifty eighth anniversary of the Patterson Gimmlin film and
Patti at Bluff Creek. This is the one that started
us all on our track, and it's hard to believe

(02:31:52):
that fifty eight years later, in my opinion, it is
still the greatest Bigfoot film ever.

Speaker 9 (02:32:01):
M hm, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 11 (02:32:06):
It's pretty amazing, it really is, and you know, we're
really blessed that we even have it. There's you know,
obviously been some controversy around the film. You know, Eagor
Borstaff ran testue on it a long time ago when
he first was brought to him by Renee to Heyden

(02:32:27):
and to prove that it was an authentic piece of film,
which is phenomenal. But you know, I'm Kay Davis's came
out with a lot of reports on it too, So
there's a lot of things back and forth on that.
I know it's the Sasquatch have told me about it,
so you know there's that. But regardless of the background

(02:32:47):
around it, the film itself is just incredible.

Speaker 9 (02:32:51):
It really is.

Speaker 11 (02:32:53):
Now there are mixed feelings with the Sasquatch groups on
that film. I've had clans that tell me that, you know,
they like Patty, and I've had other clans that for
a while they were so opposed to her because in
their minds, she betrayed their people.

Speaker 9 (02:33:14):
The reality is is she was scared.

Speaker 11 (02:33:16):
That's why she walked back towards them instead of trying
to lead people away. So it just depends on which
clan you're talking to as far as their opinion of Patty.
But as far as the legitimate legitimacy of that film,
it's incredible. It's one hundred percent legitimate as far as
the clarity, and I think it is one of the

(02:33:37):
best footages that we have of seeing an actual Sasquatch
on film. The only one that I've ever seen that
was as clear as that was the one that was
used during the Ketchum study the Genome Project of Matilda.
That also as many people didn't always believe it was
a legitimate piece of film.

Speaker 9 (02:33:58):
But the one of Patty, I mean, what do you say.
You know it's right there and it's crystal clear, clear
as a bell. It's just incredible.

Speaker 1 (02:34:10):
Yeah, I would agree with you. And you know, it's
funny because I think a lot of the critics and
I mentioned this on the show Last Sight with with
Josh Rutledge the UFO Wizard, because we were talking about it.
But I just want to bring this up again before
we get some audience questions. I think too many people
look at that timeline with a twenty twenty five mentality

(02:34:37):
and not a nineteen sixty seven mentality.

Speaker 4 (02:34:41):
Oh.

Speaker 11 (02:34:41):
I agree, And there is no way back in sixty
seven when that was filmed, literally no way that they
could have ever faked that film. Number One, the footage wouldn't.
They would have never had the equipment to fake it.
Number two, we didn't have costumes, masked cgi any of

(02:35:06):
those things. What they got was raw footage of an
actual being that was legitimate, and the world couldn't handle it.
We've been programmed to believe they don't exist. So back
then when that came out, nobody had even heard.

Speaker 9 (02:35:23):
Of these things.

Speaker 11 (02:35:26):
I mean, it was like the craziest thing in the
world for anybody to believe. But there's no way to
dispel this film is not being legitimate. We did not
have the technology, We did not have any type of
electronics that could have faked it, and there was nothing
in Hollywood that could have duplicated Patty and Igor boorstaff

(02:35:48):
when he checked it out and they brought that footage forward,
it showed the muscles flexing. It showed the angle of
the muscles in the legs when she walked.

Speaker 9 (02:36:04):
There's no way to dispel that that film is legit.

Speaker 11 (02:36:08):
I mean I stood up like within a matter of
five to ten feet of one that was walking. I've
had them walk next to me when they walk and
their muscles flexed. It is really a sight to behold
because they are sure muscle. That film when they did
the close ups on it and really kind of broke

(02:36:28):
it all down, shows the flexing of those muscles. Even
if you had the ability to have CGI or have
the costume equipment that we have now, and remember we
didn't have it back then, but if we had it,
it could not duplicate what was in that film.

Speaker 9 (02:36:48):
It just couldn't. And you know it really was. You
felt bad for her because she didn't know which way
to go.

Speaker 1 (02:36:56):
She was just trying to get out of dodge.

Speaker 11 (02:36:59):
Yeah, and you know, well, the large majority of the
Sasquatch have a problem with her because they claim she
betrayed their people because when she walked towards them, what
followed next and what happened was very tragic. Yeah, but
for her, going the opposite way would have put her

(02:37:19):
right in with humans.

Speaker 9 (02:37:22):
The only option was to go back.

Speaker 11 (02:37:23):
She was scared, and she was actually, from what the
Sasquatch say, she was very intrigued by humans. That was
her downfall to begin with. This wasn't her first rodeo
with you know, watching humans or whatever. But she was
scared and she did what probably anybody else would do.
She went to her people because she was scared. Yeah,

(02:37:45):
but it's just an incredible piece of footage, you know.
And the second reel to that, which is called the
Trackway footage, is a composite of all of the footage
that was taken on that mountain, and that is just
it's got just a ton of things and it it's phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (02:38:05):
Well, the one thing I'll end the conversation on this
point is nobody, and I mean nobody in nineteen sixty
seven is going to sew a pair of boobs on
a costume, right, Okay, And to me, never mind the

(02:38:28):
muscle movement and the legs. There's a couple things when
I look at bigfoot videos today, watch the walking. No
video has any sasquatch walking the way Patty did and
the way her muscles moved. Yeah, no video ever ever

(02:38:51):
brings up the breasts that Patty had. Okay. So when
people say, well it was a costume really in nineteen
sixty which was a very conservative America back then, where
they were still measuring bathing suits for women at the beach,
they are not all of a sudden going to play
a joke and say, haha, let's throw a pair of

(02:39:14):
tits on here, right, oh they're not going to do that. No,
I completely And the people that think that they made
all this money off this video, they made nothing. Do
your research. They made nothing off this video.

Speaker 3 (02:39:31):
Now.

Speaker 11 (02:39:31):
And you know the thing too is they got nothing
but harassment and ridicule.

Speaker 9 (02:39:37):
It altered their lives.

Speaker 11 (02:39:39):
So if anybody thinks that they did this for fame, fortune, money, whatever, no,
I mean, look what we go through as experiencers or researchers. Now,
you are ridiculed, you are harassed, you have hate coming
at you from every angle.

Speaker 9 (02:39:56):
I've had death threats. I mean, I've had kids aping attempts,
you know.

Speaker 11 (02:40:02):
And that's now after all these years where people are
aware that they're around. Can you imagine in sixty seven
that would have been opening yourself up for nothing but pain, right,
So they had nothing to gain by this, and you
know they did later on, you know, several years after
somebody said, oh I did this, Roger Patterson, you know

(02:40:22):
knows that I faked it. You didn't fake anything. Now
you're trying to cover up so that it all goes quiet.

Speaker 9 (02:40:28):
That was not faked.

Speaker 11 (02:40:31):
And sasquatch carries a certain energy signature for people that
know how to read energy signatures out of pictures.

Speaker 9 (02:40:37):
As I do.

Speaker 11 (02:40:40):
If that was just a human in a suit, you
would pick up straight human DNA. You would not pick
up a human hybrid DNA, and you would not get
a sasquatch signature out of it.

Speaker 1 (02:40:50):
I would agree with you on that. Let's get to
some audience questions that we have about ten minutes to go. Okay,
let's go right off the bat to the Doug Shelby.
You remember that we as in the Doug Shelby lives
in the Missouri Ozars and we really think the big
Feet have left for a while and they are back. Now.

(02:41:15):
Is this a correct hunch?

Speaker 9 (02:41:18):
To my knowledge, they never left.

Speaker 11 (02:41:20):
I think a lot of them might have moved more
isolated areas, but they are definitely back. They are loud
and proud in Missouri. So don't let anybody tell you
that they're not. They do go quiet at times. Okay, No,
they're not migrating. They're not leaving. But believe it or not,
as crazy as it sounds, they do with their own culture.

Speaker 9 (02:41:40):
They do have things that they do.

Speaker 11 (02:41:42):
I've had my group that were gone for eight months
at a time and when I asked where they were,
they said you know, they told me what they were doing,
and they said, but don't worry, we'll be home soon,
and they did.

Speaker 9 (02:41:51):
So they do have brief.

Speaker 11 (02:41:52):
Moments of time where you may not see them as
much or they may been doing something that for their
culture is important. But Missouri is always had a constant source.
There is no place that they are not. I have
clients that are in Hawaii, Okay, Like I work with
people all over the world, I've yet to find any
place that they are not. I've always known of people

(02:42:15):
in Missouri that have had sightings or contact of some sort.
But I do think that there are times that they
do kind of you know, disappear for a little while
doing whatever it is in their culture that they need
to do, and then they're back. So yeah, but they're
definitely active there right now.

Speaker 1 (02:42:34):
All right, let's get to another question. Let's go to PARAMARV.
Over the weekend, one of our dogs attacked another one
of our dogs. Could a pet communicator be able to
discern what happened and why and if it can be prevented?

Speaker 11 (02:42:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, part of the problem that
they're having with the two of them, they're around each
other and it's just like siblings you know that fight
now and then. But yeah, yeah, you can definitely have
a medium. I do it for people all the time,

(02:43:11):
you know. I help people find lost pets. I communicate
to their pets. I help do diagnosis on them when
the vet are having a hard time because they can't
talk to them.

Speaker 9 (02:43:19):
So it absolutely can be.

Speaker 11 (02:43:22):
As far as being prevented, what you're gonna have to
worry about is you have one of them that is
now carrying a grudge against the other one for going
after it. So you're gonna have to work on that.
I had a similar situation that happened with one of mine,
So you know, message me on Facebook if you are
on Facebook, and I can try to help you out.

Speaker 1 (02:43:42):
That's perfect. All right, Let's move to another one here.
Let's go to Blue Cruise. The Sasquatch dogmen and other
cryptids use handheld geometrically shaped technology on occasion to assist
with entering and exiting portals.

Speaker 11 (02:43:59):
They don't anything like that to enter and exit a
portal because it's frequency based. They take the frequency from
their body. It's already activated and they're able to just
go in it. But what I will say about the
devices we have found out. I have not personally seen this,
but I do have a lot of contacts, and in
certain areas there are a couple of different groups of

(02:44:23):
Sasquatch that seem to have that technolo handheld technology. I
do not think they are a regular Sasquatch. I think
we do have et groups that have placed sasquatch, some
sasquatch here, not just our sasquatch, but other ones. Those
are more of a robotic sasquatch and they are very dangerous.

Speaker 9 (02:44:44):
But there are some that.

Speaker 11 (02:44:46):
Are actively here in the United States and I'm sure
other parts of the world, and they one hundred percent
do have those handheld things. I had somebody refer to
it as looking like a cell phone.

Speaker 9 (02:44:55):
It's not a cell phone, but it looks like it.

Speaker 11 (02:44:58):
Now, I haven't had any that said it was like
a triangle or anything like that, but they said it
was about the size of the cell phone and they
used it, so I do believe that to be true.

Speaker 9 (02:45:08):
But they know they do not need it for exiting
an enterina portal.

Speaker 1 (02:45:13):
All right, well, let's get to another one here. Let's
go to let's see who's up. Let's go to Robin.
What do dog men like to be referred to as
Do you know.

Speaker 11 (02:45:27):
When I refer to them as dogmen, they if you're
going to put dog in front of it, they prefer
dog people.

Speaker 9 (02:45:36):
Against their Again, there's cultural based things.

Speaker 11 (02:45:41):
I had been told that certain groups are called mistahs,
uh it. You know, again, just like with a Sasquatch,
certain areas or sasquatch, certain other areas are sukola.

Speaker 9 (02:45:53):
It's a cultural thing and what they want to be called.

Speaker 11 (02:45:56):
When I refer to the dog men, they at times
will depending which group will be insulted and say we
are dog people, we are people. And again other areas
they are called mished us. So you know, it just
depends on which area they're at.

Speaker 1 (02:46:16):
It's going to blue cruise again. Are there hundreds of
physical variations of the dog men that are customized for
their particular environment.

Speaker 9 (02:46:27):
It, yes, there is.

Speaker 11 (02:46:29):
I don't, personally, and this is a personal opinion, believe
that it has to do with the environment as much
as these are. Very clearly, and we have not got
the DNA back yet, we're still waiting on it. Hopefully
it will be soon. But clearly there is canine in
there because of the way that they look and if
you look at different ones, and I have had several

(02:46:50):
different ones around me, depending on what canine they're crossed
with is going to depend on what they look like.

Speaker 9 (02:46:58):
So you may have some and ones in certain.

Speaker 11 (02:47:00):
Environments that that canine might be more prominent, but it
really seems to be whatever they were crossed with. I
have one that comes by here that looks like a hyena,
and hyenas are not dog okay to begin with, They're
not a dog or a cat, but it has that
look to it. I've seen some that look like a
pit bull, you know. I've seen the German shepherd kind.

(02:47:24):
I have one that I visit on and off a
few hours for me that he is just wonderful. I've
had pictures where they've taken my picture and he's been
in the background. He looks like a husky. He looks
like an actual husky with the markings on his face.
So it seems to be more prone.

Speaker 5 (02:47:43):
I know.

Speaker 11 (02:47:44):
There's you know, the theory of the type one, the
type two, three, four, and all their personalities are different
to the types. But in my world and the experiences
that I've had, which is what I go by, it's not.

Speaker 9 (02:47:57):
A type.

Speaker 11 (02:47:58):
It's just what canine was cross with it, and hopefully
we will know soon with the new genome project as
to what else is in there.

Speaker 1 (02:48:07):
Good ole jewels good. About three and a half minutes
Rob I had an argument that it was fake the
Patterson Gimlin film because the breasts were hairy. But cats
don't remove their hair from their teats until they are
about to give birth.

Speaker 11 (02:48:23):
Absolutely, do you know what. I've had females with babies.
The one that in fact from Sadie I called her
named Mercedie, brought her baby to me. She had as
much hair as cousin it on the Adams family, and
that hair was all over her breast as well, and
when she would walk, that hair would part as the
muscles flex, and then you could see like the nipples

(02:48:44):
and the rest of her breasts. And I was within
a very close proximity of her and her baby because
she brought the baby so I could see it. I've
seen other females that were bear chested. It's the individual.
Do not let the amount of hair on the breast
fool you or make you think any of it's fake.
They are all individualized. Every one of them there is

(02:49:05):
as different as we are.

Speaker 1 (02:49:09):
I love it all right. I think we had time
for one more blue cruise again. What's the tallest sasquatch
that you were aware of?

Speaker 11 (02:49:18):
I have heard that in the Solomon Islands they have
some that are up to twenty feet. The most common,
really large one that I hear in the United States
is around fourteen fourteen and a half feet. The tallest
one that I've been near, I would say is probably
twelve to fourteen feet. I mean I was like standing

(02:49:39):
next to his thigh and it was above my head
and I'm like five nine and a half, so yeah,
pretty big boy. But I have heard that in the
Solomon Islands as well as up in the mountains area,
where you know, there's much more room, there's the food's
more plentiful, and they're way out there that they can

(02:49:59):
get any from fourteen to twenty feet.

Speaker 1 (02:50:02):
I have heard in British Columbia here and the more
north you go towards Alaska and the Yukon that they
get bigger, that there have been creatures fifteen to twenty
feet tall seen in those areas.

Speaker 9 (02:50:21):
Yeah, you get in these more.

Speaker 11 (02:50:24):
Mountainous and wild areas where it's more open, you know,
there's there's more game, it's easier for them to get
to it, and they get big, you know. I think
some of the bigger ones that I've heard of have
all come out of like the Alaskan area, the Canadian area,
you know, up in the mountains. I think in Montana

(02:50:47):
get quite large. But in Washington State. I have heard
about some fourteen to sixteen footers in Washington State, but
it seems to be in the more reclusive areas the
bigger they are.

Speaker 9 (02:51:01):
Now.

Speaker 11 (02:51:02):
The one that I saw that was almost fourteen feet,
he was in my backyard in Michigan. So I mean,
it can be anywhere, but they can get very large.

Speaker 1 (02:51:09):
Absolutely thirty seconds ago. Tell everybody where they can find
your contact information.

Speaker 11 (02:51:18):
Okay, if you want classes or services, you can find
me at Paranormal dash empowerment dot com, or if you
just need to talk to me, you can find me
on Facebook under Robin haynes h y anys no middle initial.

Speaker 1 (02:51:32):
You're very easy to get a hold of it. The
one thing I love about you is you always respond yeah,
you do.

Speaker 9 (02:51:39):
Well, you know what.

Speaker 11 (02:51:40):
I think it's an honor that anybody even takes time
to reach out to me. So, you know, if They're
going to take their time to reach out to me.
They deserve to be responded to. Like my clients. I'm
on call for my clients twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week, and they know what do so
I mean, like I have two phones so they can
text me at any time if they have any issue
or whatever. We're besides the work that we do during

(02:52:02):
our sessions, so I try to be available.

Speaker 1 (02:52:06):
I totally agree with you and Robin. I want to
say a big thank you for coming back on spaced
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