Oct. 2/25 - Letters from a Cryptid Hunter with Elias Ramos - Spaced Out Radio

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We have an incredible show tonight, we're getting into the creepypasta.

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Elias Ramos is here to talk about the Letters of
a Cryptid Hunter.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You have no idea how excite did I am about
this one?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Then in our number three, Swamp Dweller, we'll kick things
off with a spooky story. We're going to follow that
up with the UFO Wizard, Josh Rutledge coming on in
for the UFO Report. Okay, I have to Usually I
read a bio off the bat here, and I will
get to that in a little bit, But I gotta

(03:22):
tell you a story I do, and it's a cool
story because it ties.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Into tonight's show.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
So almost every night I go to bed listening to
Swamp Dweller on YouTube because he's got spooky stories and
he bounces around.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
A number of years ago, when I started interviewing Swamp
Dweller and we became very good friends, he had this
story on his YouTube channel called Letters of a Cryptid Hunter,
and I absolutely fell in love with these stories. And
it would be I would be trying to fall asleep

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at time. I'd be so tired that I needed to
get to bed, and I just couldn't because I had
to keep listening to these stories, and eventually I'd fall asleep,
and then the next night I'd have to rewind and
try and find the spot that I left off at
the night before to restart again. And this would go
on and on, night after night after night, and I
listened to them all. Well, little did I know that

(04:22):
the creator of those letters is our guest tonight. I
found out literally a couple hours before showtime, and I
literally screamed like a schoolgirl, you know, because I was
so excited that Elias Ramos was the one who helped
with these It's his creation, it's his knowledge, and that

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rarely happens, and it just made me really excited to
do tonight's show. So who is Elis, Well, let's tell
you about him. You know, this guy is trained in
the acting department at Baltimore School for the Arts and
majoring in English at Williams College. Elias owl Ramos is
dedicated to writing and sharing engaging stories. Having visited and

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lived in thirty two countries on five continents, he speaks
three languages and has studied topics ranging from mythology and
language to zoology and ecology. His first public dist publicly
distributed stories rather are the Letters from a Cryptid Hunter,
which tell the experiences of Sam White Owl. Oh I

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get goosebumps just saying that. Okay, a member of a
global organization that deals with cryptids and monsters. The nineteen
episode series of this, which is absolutely awesome, was put
on YouTube acclaim thanks to Swamp Dweller.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah. So it's one.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Big tie into what we do here on SR and
I am so excited to have Elias Ramos on the
show tonight. Ilias, thank you so much for coming on
Spaced Out Radio. My man, how are you.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
Good?

Speaker 7 (06:00):
Man?

Speaker 6 (06:00):
I'm good.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
I'm a little tired. This is what times. It's twelve ten,
it's after midnight. I'm East Coast, so I'm three hours
behind you guys. But no, I'm uh yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Let me tell you. How did you find the love
for creative writing?

Speaker 6 (06:15):
Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
So I just always loved telling stories, you know, I've
always been into just like creating worlds, creating creatures, languages, worlds.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
And when I was in I think I don't evenly
get started twelve, I was in like fourth grade. I
went to this.

Speaker 7 (06:37):
It was like a summer camp. You know, a creative
writing camp, and I just kind of fell in love
with it. It was all about, you know, we would read
books and then we would write like short stories because
you know, we'd be like, oh, so did you see
how they did this in the story? You know, this
is like how we could translate that to our stuff.
And yeah, so ever since then fourth grade, goodness, I
was like nine nine. Yeah, ever since then, I've just

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you know, I've been about it. Hello, people in the chat.
People are wow, Oh my goodness, thank you.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
People in the chat.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
Everybody in the chat is greeting me and saying hello,
thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Oh yeah, we got a very engaging chat room for
our radio audience. They are very engaging on our YouTube
chat during the show, and I'll tell you they love
our guests.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
They really do.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
And I'm excited to have you here because very rarely
do I ever hear something that absolutely engages me. And
I've been a big fan of Swamp Dweller for a
number of years. I think when I hit subscribe on
his YouTube channel, I think he was he was less

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than one hundred thousd I think he was around fifty
thousand subscribers around thirty thousand subscribers, and I was just like,
I have to meet this guy. And I messaged him
one day on email and I said, dude, I need
to interview you. I literally listened to you every night.

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And you know, props to him. He's up to I
think three hundred and thirty.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
Thousand subscriber or something.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Stupid like that. And when you get to know his story,
he actually when he started the Swamp Dweller channel, he
was living in his car in a Walmart parking lot
and he used the Walmart WiFi in order to download
the stories. That's how That's how it started for him.

Speaker 7 (08:29):
How did I not know this? Wait, I've heard it.
I've heard you interview him. How do I not heard that?
That's wild? Well, good for you, swamp.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, and him and I became really good friends and
and the one and I asked him, I said, you know,
I want to spice things up, you know, give a
little change in our in our show format. Would you
mind if I started using some of your programs, some
of your stories to kick off our hour three? And
I didn't even finish it. He's like, yep, you go ahead,

(08:59):
and he you want just take it? And I'm like
that is awesome. I just love the guy much, big
big love and shout out to Robin Ta aka Swamp Dweller.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
He is absolutely amazing and an incredible musician as well.
He's in a thrash metal band. Lead singer of a
thrash metal band. I forget what it's called, but.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
Oh shoot wait, I just I was just I just
saw this the other day. I've been trying to get
in touch with him because I'm like, dude, we need
you know. I was like, Swamp, we need you to
like put this out, you know, Burn Absolute, that's it?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, Burn Absolute, that's right.

Speaker 7 (09:34):
Yeah yeah, Because I was like, I was like, Swamp,
we need you know, we need your help, man, not
your help, but like you know, you know, people loved
the same wild the Letters of a Cryptit Hunter on
this channel, so I was like, Swamp, you know, we
would love for you to put out a video. But
I haven't been able to get in touch with him
for a while now.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So I think he's on tour. I think they're touring
right now.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
No, wait, that's that is wild just thinking about that
they're actually like on that's crazy that he's he's big,
he's big, wild.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I know.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I mean, it's it's absolutely amazing, absolutely amazing. We're going
to get into Letters of a Cryptid Hunter when we
uh turned the corner after our first break at the
bottom of the all. I'm very curious about your love
of these weird, strange creatures that are going around in

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our forests and our dreams in the sky above. How
did this all begin for you?

Speaker 7 (10:31):
You know, I never really had an experience, but I've
always been okay, so I will just say I'm autistic
and I don't know, you know, my parents are gonna
be like, really whatever.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
I just have a lot of like niche, weird interests.

Speaker 7 (10:48):
And the reason I say that is because, you know,
I've always been into just kind of like stuff that
was out there. And while other kids were, you know,
interested in like cars and stuff, you know, other boys, right,
that was like that was kind of like the boy
thing was like you're young, you know, you're into cars
or dinosaurs. I loved I still do. I love dinosaurs,
Like I never got off that things. So dinosaurs and

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not just like like them, you know, I was like
deep into them, like I still have. I literally have
a shelf in my bookshelf that's devoted to just like
my dinosaur books. And so I got in there and
I was like, these are such interesting, you know, strange
like unfamiliar creatures. They're not here anymore, you know, And
it was just kind of imagining that world.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
What was it like back.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
Then, you know what, because it was our world, you know,
it's our planet, But what was it like? You know,
what were these creatures like? How did they you know,
how did they live? How did they move? And and
so that was one big thing. And then the other thing, well,
and I love animals, you know, and yeah, obviously we
can talk about that more of the same white owl thing,
but I love I just love animals and I always have.
And animals again are just sort of like, you know,

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they live right alongside us and we know them, you know.
I grew up like being around them and loving them.
But we kind of don't think about that, especially like
you know, kind of in the West, you know, our urban,
westernized world. We don't really think about like, you know,
all the other beings that like literally like around us,
you know, so it's like, what are they like? And
then from there just kind of interest in like culture, languages.

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I've had a lot of different experiences, and I mean
we can maybe talk about this later, but like, my
family is very diverse.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
Well you kind of read it in my bio.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
You know, I've been I've done a lot of traveling.
You know, I'm really into like culture, myths, languages, So
getting to learn all of that is like why aren't
we Why aren't we experiencing all of this other stuff
as well? And then of course that kind of leads
to like, well people are talking about this other stuff,
you know, like sasquatch and dog men, and when to go,

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Like I've heard these stories, like but why are we
They're right there? You know, what what what level of
truth is there to them? And what is it about?
You know, what's what's going on here?

Speaker 6 (12:56):
You know?

Speaker 7 (12:58):
And I didn't really get into the more like cryptid
stuff until kind of more recently, in more recent years.
But growing up, you know, I just love like mythology
and stuff, and so I was all, you know, always
into like stories of just weird myths and legends and
stuff and like how does that interact with our world?
You know, so always wanting to, yeah, just kind of

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experience that. So I guess that kind of you know,
meandered and developed and branched off in different ways as
I grew up, and now we're here.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I think it's absolutely great that you are able to
put pen to paper and create something that you know,
allures people and maybe there their scariest nightmares or their
or their you know, wildest of dreams, or even their
own true encounters.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Have you ever thought about the impact your stories have had?

Speaker 7 (13:54):
Actually, let me just mention really fast, I'm sorry. I
have had experiences, but it's not what you know, kind
of like kicked off the writing and stuff.

Speaker 6 (14:03):
But have I ever thought about how million pecked people? Yes,
but I think the largest reason.

Speaker 7 (14:11):
You know, as I was growing up and I was writing,
it was always just like it was mainly for you know,
family friends, right, Like I didn't publish anything. But when
I was growing up, my friend Nick Johnson shout out
Nick Johnson. I haven't talked to him in years, but
he also was writing a book and he came across
this site. It was called Lulu, and he's like, you

(14:33):
can bind your books on Lulu, like you were a
public you could you actually could publish it. You could
buy him online. But he's like, if you write a
book you can like put them into, you know, an
actual like hardcover book and they'll mail it to you
and everything. So I was like, I need one of those,
you know. So I went on and I got my
first book, and I just got in love with it,
and I was like, this is amazing. And so the

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first touch of like, how I could you know, kind
of like get people beyond just like my you know,
because your family love do right, they're supposed to support
you and stuff, right, but other people kind of the
first glimpse I got of that was in middle school,
was when I started bringing in these books, you know,
and people were like, oh my god, like this kid
is twelve, you know. I guess it was like eleven

(15:15):
twelve by the you know, the first time they were like,
oh my god, look at this, Like this kid's actually
got like a book, and you just got kind of
curious about it. And so that was the first time
I was like, no, people just actually beyond you know,
me and my fit people like this stuff, you know,
and me and my friends. They would always and my
friends none of them were writers, but we would like

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play games and stuff and we would make up like
different scenarios and things and they would all be you know,
they would all be like, I want to do this
and this, but I don't know how to make it work.
So they would just you know, say, Elias put it
in the story, you know, like make a world with.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
It or whatever, and then I would.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
But so that was kind of the first dast And
then you know swamp Fellers where things kind of hit
you know.

Speaker 6 (15:56):
Sort of like the very wider public.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
You know, before then they're like college courses, you know,
I school writing and stuff. But no, it wasn't still
swamp that. It was really like, man, this hits home
for people so many people, and home it hits home.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
For people too.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
By speaking to literal experiences that these people have had
that are not you know, sort of like commonly validated,
right like people who you know have cryptid.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
Encounters, crypted experiences.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
You know. One of the things that everybody struggles with
is like nobody freaking believes me, you know, or I'm alone.
I feel like other people you know don't even you know,
understand kind of what's going on here.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
Although those people.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
Need to go talk to some indigenous books because like
we know, we know what's up. But anyway, like Native
people have known for a long time. Like you go
to anywhere, you know, and like I saw a sasquash
and they'll be like, oh yeah, yeah, like they're around
you know. So that was the But that was the
first time I kind of you know, took took like

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a notice of how many people were connecting directly with
those like very real experiences.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, the idea that you know, as you're writing these
stories and you you are realizing that there are people
having encounters with dog Man or encounters with aliens or
when to goes or you know.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Dog Man or whatever they may be.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I mean, how does that make you feel like as
you're writing these knowing that some of these encounters have
literally you know, changed people's lives and maybe not for
the better.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
That's actually that's a good question. Now, that is a
good question. You know.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
It's kind of like I think in some ways I've
never actually put this together. You know, like I'm a
fiction writer, and I've always been a fiction writer. Like
I don't think I could ever write you know, you
know something, not never, but like I wouldn't want to
you know, write you know, nonfiction stuff, but because making

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stuff up, you know, being creative is like one of
the most fun parts. But it's kind of like handling
any topic in this realm, which is that you know,
we all use writers, right like we all use you know,
experiences that have happened probably to someone somewhere or have
some route in like ideas that we understand, you know,

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even when you're talking about you know, oh, somebody got
like you know, the wizard like blew up somebody with
the fireball, like that person died, like we all know
what death is, right, And so people write about different things.
You know, a lot of people write like war novels
for example, you know, but what they do with you know,
and what I try to do, you know, is like
take my due dillshits and do my like research, you know,

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kind of know what I'm talking about and just tell
it like truthfully, but you know, without trying to necessarily
sensationalize it or without trying to downplay it either, you know,
and just kind of let people take from that what
they will, because the thing is too you know, as
somebody who is like sensitive to different media, sometimes you know,

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there's some stuff that just I don't want to engage with,
you know, because I'm like this will upset me or
you know, trigger me or whatever. So like I'm just
not gonna watch this, you know, And so people always
kind of have that option. But and I'm not doing it,
you know, to kind of like provoke, right, you know,
And I'm drawing from these real these real experiences and
just kind of creating a fictional scenario. But I go

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out of my way, you know, to make it as
you know, serious and as as as true as possible.
You know, it's not a I mean, you know, you
listen to stories, it's not it's not a game, you know,
like this is not I mean, I can they're fun stories, sure,
like they're fun, but you know these are not you know,
they're not frivolous.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
I don't think you can say, even though you write fiction,
how much of what you write is coming off the
basis of true encounters that you've heard or researched.

Speaker 7 (20:05):
No, that is a good, that that is a good. Well,
so I would say I would say almost all of it.
But in the sense that it's not that I'm directly
like retelling people's encounters or like directly kind of you know,
lifting from people's encounters necessarily. Every so often somebody will

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have mentioned you know, maybe like some aspect of a
creature or some you know, like aspect of their experience,
you know, maybe a specific sound that they heard or
specific movement that the being made. And sometimes I'll lift that,
but by and large, but an even when I do that,
I like to, you know, take a something that a

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bunch of people have said, you know, and kind of
crowdsource it. And if a lot of people are saying,
I don't know, for example, dog man, you know, we'll
just take dog man because it's very common. Everybody knows
dog man. Dog Men are said to produce when they
growl or snarl, you know, they produce a form of infrasound,
you know, which often people hear in their bodies, and

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that goes for like a lot of different animals, even
you know, more like common animals that we all know.
But but I've heard that said so much, you know,
very specifically with people's encounters that I was like, okay,
so if we're gonna have a dog in the story
and its snarls, it's that has to happen, you know.
But all that is taken from you know, real encounters.
It's all taken from it in the sense that like

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it's all informing it very directly. You know, I don't
make a you know, make up a ton of stuff
or like you know, throw in a too much of
my own stuff. I kind of maybe reinterpret it or
you know, frame it slightly. A lot of times there's
contradictory data. You know, people will say, oh, well I

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saw this, or somebody will say, well, no, that's actually
what this is. So sometimes I might kind of try
to synthesize that and bring it together, but no, it's
all drawn from you know, yeah, people's experiences. Again, not
directly lifted or not like retelling it, but you know,
it's all informed by actual stuff by and large, not all,

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but almost all.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
We have two minutes ago before we have to go
to break at the bottom of the hour. Elius Ramos
is our guest tonight on Spaced Out Radio. Elias Ramos
dot Com is his website. Elias, why do you think
people love to get scared? Because you're you're trying to
please take this the proper way. You're trying to prey

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on their imagination. You're trying to prey on their fears
in order to create a better story.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
Sometimes sometimes a lot of the monsters, and you know
a lot of the cryptos in these stories have I mean,
maybe humanity experience is intense, but they're they're actually not
designed to be it's actually interesting.

Speaker 6 (23:04):
Yeah, I'll try to make this quick. I know, we
gotta go to break.

Speaker 7 (23:06):
But uh, I have troubled defining the genre of these
of these letters because I don't know if it's horror
or fantasy or action, because it's kind of all of
those things. Like I don't know, I don't know how
to classify it. But it was on Swampoiler obviously a
horror channel. But no, I mean a lot of these
stories are really not actually designed to be scary.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
They're they're designed to maybe be intense.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know, suspenseful yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Suspenseful yeah, or like or just intriguing. You know, a
lot a lot of these stories in fact, you know,
I have no action or not no action, but you
know a lot of the stories it's not like, you know, oh,
we're gonna get killed, you know, it's just like, no,
there's something wrong here that we got to figure out,
you know. So it's not always about fear, but sometimes

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it is. Sometimes it is. There's some that are much
more explicitly you know, kind of scary, but by and large, no,
it's not.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
It's not specifically written.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
To be a horror, but it's all in the way
that people take it too. It is like for me, Okay,
I don't really care for horror movies. They don't do
anything for me. But I do love suspense. I could
tell you, you know, let's go with an oldie, but a
goodie Blair Witch Project. Nothing happened in that movie. Nothing

(24:25):
happened in that movie until the end. Nothing happened. Yes,
but it was a suspense. We're gonna get more into that.
A great creator of creepy pasta writing, Elias Ramos is
our guest. We're gonna get more into his information, his
story and more. When we returned on Space Out Radio,

(25:04):
all right, we are clear.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
There we go, Chat is out.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
I love it. It's great.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
No, you have some good questions, Dave, very insightful stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Thank you. It's all about fun man.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, my, it's funny. You mentioned Blair Witch Project.

Speaker 7 (25:26):
My my, it's probably like it's it's gotta be less
than like two hours. No, maybe maybe like two and
a half hours from where I live is where that
was filmed and It's so funny because I was like
I told my friend. I was like, kovid we gotta go, like,
we gotta go to the wood and and he's like,
what is that? And I was like, you don't know
about the Blair Witch Project. He's like, no, not really.

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I was like, well, we got to watch it then,
and he's like, I'm not. I don't want to watch
a horror movie. I don't want to get scared. Why
would I want to scare myself. It's like it's not
that scary. I mean it's and like you said, You're like,
nothing happens to the end, and I'm like, it's actually
kind of slow, and he's.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Like, they're I don't want to be bored. It was like,
come on, man. I was like, dude, we cannot go.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
I was like, we can't go to Burkettsville and not
watch the Blade, Like that's the only reason we would
go there, you know.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
And he's like, I don't want to get eaten by
a witch.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Was so dumb.

Speaker 6 (26:17):
So I think I might just go there with my dog.
I might I might just take Joe and we might
just go.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Along nice as you should. As you should? Oh man
breaks last by the way, pardon me.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
How long did the breaks last?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
We have about three and a half minutes?

Speaker 6 (26:37):
Oh, it's always it's a five minute.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, five minutes of the bottom six at the top.

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Okay, cool, I'm gonna go actually run to the bathroom
real quick.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, I'll take you out there. You go.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Dave cries when he watches the Golden Girls. Hey, that's
b Arthur, not myself. B Arthur is the one who
who cries of the Golden Girl fun show tonight. So far,
this guy's got great energy, great energy.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I sucked.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Oh, Deirdre has a crush? Didre has a crush? H
Barry Lyttleton is amazing too. We've got to get Barry
back on the show. He is handsome, Let's be honest.

(28:10):
He's handsome. All right, bring Elias back on. There you go.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Hello from a couple of our ladies in our chat room.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm just supposed to tell you, you, sir, are handsome.

Speaker 6 (28:34):
You are?

Speaker 7 (28:35):
I know I've seen chat chat is chat is out
of control? Uh huh oh, undead Jed, he grew up here.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
What's up on? Dead Jed?

Speaker 7 (28:45):
Undead Jed knows Maryland is Maryland is it's weird man
We're such a weird state.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
We're so interesting.

Speaker 7 (28:52):
I'm in a Facebook groups it said the name of
the group is Maryland is a cult, not a state.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Oh nice, very interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
We got about a minute or so to go.

Speaker 6 (29:07):
We we don't.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well.

Speaker 7 (29:09):
You mentioned Goman Copeman is probably the most famous Maryland
crypt that he does not have a full you know,
Sawhaite Owl story devoted to him. But I do bring
him up. I did get a question about him, so
he is. I do mention him in one of the
questions and answers.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's funny. I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Oh man, I don't know how I'm gonna keep the
next hour and a half in control here because I'm
just so excited.

Speaker 7 (29:36):
No, no, you can. Well, you you asked some great questions.
You you're a great questions in the sense of like
actually making you think, you know, like they're not like
actually super like you know, incisive, but or like challenging necessarily,
but they're just like, damn, this.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Is like about how you feel, man, that's about how
you feel.

Speaker 7 (30:00):
You know, well, and it's not just like you know,
oh I got you know, an immediate response for this,
you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Like, no, I hear you brother. All right, we got
about eighteen seconds. Just want to say thank you to
everybody who's giving us a thumbs up and hit subscribe tonight,
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And if you're shopping, go to our space Out Radio store.
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Planet we call Earth. So thank you very very much.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
We're going to get back to our guest, Elias Ramos
here momentarily, but first we want to remind you that
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Speaker 2 (31:32):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Elias Ramos is here his website Elias Ramos dot com.
If you want to check him on out learn all
about his book that is coming on out Letters from
a Cryptid Hunter Volume one. It's about a gentleman named
Sam White Owl. And if you want to hear the
audio version, go to Swamp Dweller's YouTube channel. He has

(31:54):
them all recorded there and Elias has put them all together.
Now Elias, welcome back.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
Let me also just mention really quick, so there will
be an audiobook and it will actually be mean reading
it it rather than you know, rather than Swamp. You know,
I have a very different voice.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
I don't know, do you know if Swamp has had
any like acting experience.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I have no idea if Swamp Broller took acting.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
I think, yeah, no, I've never I've never asked him actually,
but no. Well, I say that because like I've been
acting since I was Jesus, like since I was like six, dude,
I've been acting since I was in like first grade.
But no, and I say that because you know, I
acted basically and again, and like, you know, I think

(32:45):
one of the good things about the audiobook is that,
like you know, you always not always, but like it's
good to have an audiobook read by the author, you know,
the author.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
Like knows that you know, they know their stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
I just have a very different voice than swamp Boiler.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Though, I will say I think it's great. How did
you come up with Sam White Owl?

Speaker 7 (33:05):
I will tell you. Okay, So and it was it
was from Swampboiler. So for whatever reason, I'm listening to Swampweller.
I'm listening to like a lot of these horror narrators.
This is back in twenty twenty twenty, and I'm so.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
I said, he doesn't look that old.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
I'm twenty eight anyways, So I'm listening to all these narrators,
these horror narrators, and I'm hearing all these stories. People
are like I saw when to go, I saw we'll
say it this once, Well I saw a skin walker.
And it's like, that's not what that is, Like you
did not see. What you saw is not that's not
what that is. You have no idea what you know
this creature, that creature is, you know. So I was like,

(33:44):
I was like, I grew up with stories of like
these creatures.

Speaker 6 (33:47):
You know.

Speaker 7 (33:47):
I was like, I gotta tell I got to do
this right, you know, I gotta do that, Like, I
gotta tell this right.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
You know.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
So I was like, okay, so who would know? I
was like, who you know?

Speaker 7 (33:55):
Because the thing about Swampoeiller and a lot of the
other narrators is, you know, they read stories that you know,
viewers submit and a lot of them are true and
you know, like the viewers actually had an capture. So
I was like, okay, but you know, I got to make,
you know, something we could do, like, you know, not
just like a one off, right, And it would be
a very one off if it was just some random
guy who had an encounter with like, you know, a cryptid.

(34:18):
So I was like, no, we need we need a
kind of a character basically, you know who we can
follow and talk about many different cryptids and kind of
set the record straight off a lot of these. And
I was like, who would make you know, who would
be able.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
To do this?

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Or somebody who studies cryptids? Right?

Speaker 7 (34:34):
What if it was somebody who like hunted cryptids or
not and not just hunted them, but like you know,
kind of dealt with the things that go bump in
the night, because it would be cool, you know, to
have a story where you know, some dude is like
you know, rumble in the jungle with like emmelumtuca or
like you know, battling, like oh when to go right, Like,
these are not creatures that you know, a lot of

(34:54):
the time, you know a lot of the time you
can't just sit and watch these things supernoculars.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
They sound like very dangerous, you know. So I was like, Okay,
so that's number one.

Speaker 7 (35:03):
And I was like, well we got and I was like,
then we've got to have an indigenous guy, because like
we know what's up, and there's like very poor Indigenous
representation in media in general.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
And I was like, so that too.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
And then I was like, and then if he was black,
I was like, we don't have a ton of black
you know, like cryptid hunters, you know, sort of in
this like horror space that aren't like stereotypes necessarily. And
then and then it all just kind of came together
because I was like, because then if we had the
indigenous perspective too. You know, when you hear a lot
of these fictional stories, right, a lot of people's actual encounters,

(35:39):
you know, they come away with it having very different reactions,
you know, to the creatures themselves. But in a lot
of stories that involve you know, Cryptid's fictional stuff. They're
always like the enemy, and they're not actually very like real.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
They're almost there. They're almost cartoonish.

Speaker 7 (35:56):
They're almost like tropes rather than actual beings.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
It's like they don't feel like real. They feel like
you know.

Speaker 7 (36:03):
Quote unquote monsters, right, they feel like movie monsters. They
don't feel like actual beings. And they're always the enemy.
It's always like we need to exterminate you know, this
that crypt you know, we need.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
To kill it.

Speaker 7 (36:14):
And it's like no, you know, like hold on a second,
you know some of them, yes, but like this isn't
about just going out and wiping out you know, all
these creatures, right, Like, we can coexist.

Speaker 6 (36:26):
To some degree with these things.

Speaker 7 (36:28):
It's not it's not morally right to just go out
and wipe these things out. It's not feasible, you know,
it's not like it doesn't make a ton of sense.
It's difficult, it's dangerous, and you know, again having this
indigenous perspective of there's this phrase it's called metaku easing,
which is a Lakota phrase that basically means all my
relations I talk about it in the book a little more,

(36:49):
which is basically the idea of everything is connected. We
are all part of like this much bigger, broader hole.
And you don't cut out and you know relations, meaning
like family relatives, you know, so you don't just cut
out an entire part of your family, you know, just
because you don't like them. You know that you might
hate them, but like you depend on them for your survival,

(37:12):
you know, and you need to respect them even if
you know you don't want to deal with them, right, So.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
I was like, so let's do it.

Speaker 7 (37:17):
I was like, let's just do a story where you know,
these guys talk about kind of like managing cryptis, you know,
and like helping humanity.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
You know.

Speaker 7 (37:25):
It's not about like, yes, they're called the Hunters, which
I had an explanation for that too, but it's not
about you know, going out and wiping out all these things.
It's like, hey, let's try to balance here, you know,
let's try to live coexist side by side.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
You know. I have to tell you a story. I
don't even know if you know this or not.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
But in the number of times I have talked with
Swamp Dweller about Sam White Owl and the Letters of
a Cryptid Hunter, I have asked him point blank, is
Sam White Owl real and and have you talked to
Sam white Owl lately? And he was always very dodgy

(38:07):
around the question. He never gave it up that this
was a creation of you. He always let us believe
that it was Sam white Owl was a real person.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
That's well, that's very good. Well, and you know he
we'll tell you what.

Speaker 7 (38:30):
So when I would send him, you know, the stories,
I never like it was from my email address, but
I think I even wrote it into the stories. I
had it in the stories I had it said, you know,
like you know, as Sam, I'm hijacking my nephew's email address.
You know, I wrote myself into the stories, like as
Sam's nephew.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Right.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
I never named myself, but I wrote myself into these
stories because I was like, you know what, what if
something happens, you know, I got to like include myself,
you know what if I need to take these stories
in a different direction or something.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
I was like, I got to be in there.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Right.

Speaker 7 (39:03):
So when I emailed him, he never never said he
never called me Elias, you know, even though it was
coming from the alias or almost addressed, and I always
wrote him as Sam.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
You know, I never said anything.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
About being Elias until the series was done, so it
was wild. He he never you know, gave it up
for me either, So well, you know, I think that's
you know, I take that as very high praise that
both you and so many other people you know have
have really you know, just like Dad, I was able

(39:37):
to tell a story that was so uh so real, Right,
that's kind of the that's that's kind of the dream,
you know, to make a story, a world, a character,
concepts that feel fully lived in. And I think you know,
we were talking about, you know, where we get this
inspiration stuff from.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
You know. I mean again, like I'm I'm not really.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
Making up a ton of this, you know, I'm using
all this information that other people have gathered and you know,
stuff that I've been told, and yeah, just trying to create,
you know, a real, real story.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
It shows his professionalism too, that he wouldn't give it up,
you know, and for respect not only of his listeners
but his but his channel and you being a writer
on that too. Now tell us about Sam White.

Speaker 7 (40:25):
Owl oh so in the world of the stories. And
this is another reason why it's kind of hard to
classify it as fantasy or sci fi or whatever is
because it's our world. The only difference is the cryptis
like and that's not even different because like many of

(40:46):
them are like very real in our world. You know,
it's just that they're you know, at the forefront of
these stories. But Sam is so his mom is Oklahoma Cherokee,
his dad is African Americ in black. So he is
their son and his mom because a member of the Hunters.

(41:07):
The Hunters are a global organization whose job is to
again not like exterminate cryptids or wipe them out, you know,
basically just kind of deal with them and manage them
and make sure that humans and cryptids and all other
beings you know, can coexist in you know, as much
harmony and peace as possible. Sometimes that's through like studying.

(41:31):
Sometimes that's through you know, like capturing and relocating. Sometimes
that's through just yeah, like killing, like hunting. But Sam,
you know, takes these indigenous teachings, you know, I mentioned
Mikaku Oyasi and the idea of like you know kind
of being you know, again, we're not gonna go out
and we'rek you know, not gonna like hug them all
and talk to them nicely and all the friends. Right,

(41:51):
but we're also not going to go out there, you know,
with like machine guns and like low down everything that
we don't like. Right, So Sam is kind of trying
to walk that line.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
He is in the writing of the stories.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
He's forty eight. Most of the stories take place when
he's late twenties, thirties. They span they span a big range.
But yeah, no, he's he's been on a ton of hunts.
He's been on over one hundred hunts, all across different continents.
He's you know, tangled with a lot of cryptids. He's

(42:26):
a kind person. He's a compassionate person. He's an intelligent person,
but he's he's a little detached. He's kind of shy,
you know, it's not a great, you know, people person.
And the stories will hear about his relationship with Heather,
who was his partner who he fell in love with.
And in the bonus story, there's a bonus store, a
new letter, brand new, you know, never before seen. His

(42:49):
trainee May, who is kind of like, you know, he
trained me, his his nephew who is me. He traded me,
but then also trade a new training May. So you'll
hear about his relationships with them. Yeah, no, Sam Whitewell, No.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
He's cool. He's uh yeah, he's cool. I like, I
like mlam.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Now this character of Sam White Owl, he is somebody
who travels the world going to you know, working for
this secret company. Okay, uh goodness, what's it called again?

Speaker 6 (43:26):
What the Hunters?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
The Hunters or the capital H?

Speaker 7 (43:30):
Yes, yes, that's how you know that you you listen
to those stories.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Because I said that a bunch the Hunters with a
capital H.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Why okay, let's stop. Are you there?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Why was that important the Hunters with a capital H.
Why was it important to make it that way?

Speaker 7 (43:49):
Well, so it was important just to kind of show
that like it's a formal organization, you know, like I
don't know, you would say, you know, for like a department,
like oh, like a police department. You know, you could
say like, oh, it's the police like lowercase P. But

(44:09):
if you're talking about a specific you know, department, right,
you say capital P like PD.

Speaker 6 (44:14):
You know. So I kind of wanted to make it that,
you know, with like capital H like the official thing.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
But but the reason I say capital H so much,
it's because this was read aloud, right, so for the audience,
they're not gonna see it and know that it has
a capital H, right, So I wanted to you just
kind of throw that in there so Swamp could read
it so that the audience could know, you know, oh yeah,

(44:41):
this is like not just lowercase age, you know, because
hunters is a word, right, So I wanted to Swamp
to to basically read that aloud.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
So it got said quite a bit, but yeah, no,
I wanted.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
It to be you know, formal. It's like not just
you know, not just hunters, but like the.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Hunters, you know, I love it.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I love it, And it's those little nuances that make
things a little bit more remembering of the story. At
least for me, you know, it is that way, and
I'm sure for many others as well. Now you have
Sam White Owl running around all over the world looking
for all of these different cryptids and creatures. Maybe tell

(45:20):
our audience, who isn't familiar with how the Hunters with
the capital H works, how he became part of this
cryptid team, this this conglomerate that goes hunting monsters.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
Yeah, so the Hunters.

Speaker 7 (45:37):
So well here's another you know what, here's another reason
the way the uh, the capital H kind of originated,
so you know, in just like in our world in
same what else, you know, the same at our world,
cryptids and humans have been existing, you know, side by
side forever. So there's always been you know, a need

(45:59):
to like deal with these things. You know, there's always
been a need for you know, people to interact with them,
you know, to like maybe drive them off or like
appease them or you know avoid them. You know, kind
of like set up you know, often like religious beliefs
around them. You know, so over time, you know, all
across the world there's all these independent you know, groups

(46:20):
of people or you know, just individuals who.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
It's like, okay, that's the person.

Speaker 7 (46:25):
You know, when our village is like you know, having
you know, they're like are crops rated or like you
know when we have you know, merchants like going on
the road and they're not coming back, and it's like
we know that they you know, we found their body
and it was like, you know, it was like partially
eaten you know, clearly by like something very large and
not you know, a wolf.

Speaker 6 (46:46):
Or a bear or whatever.

Speaker 7 (46:47):
Right you call that guy, right, or you call those people.
So it was often kind of you know, independently all
around the world. This is what cropped up and eventually
it started in England, which which was eventually they were like,
we need to make this like a formal organization. And
it comes from like the Hunter's Lodge, you know, which

(47:08):
is like you know, a thing like you know, a
hunting lot for like you know, it's very formal, you know,
sort of like upper class aristocratic, you know English, you know,
like oh yes, like comes like we'll go to the logge,
you know and do a hunt today, you know, or wherever.
So that's where it comes from. And the hunters in England,
you know, England's all over the world colonizing and stuff.

(47:29):
So as they go across the world, the hunters kind
of start absorbing all these other you know, individuals groups
from different places into the organization. And Sam Whitow his
mom she's again she's Oklahoma Cherokee and her and you know,
her like ancestors on that side of the family were
always kind of the people who were you know, dealing

(47:50):
with cryptis. Whenever there was a sasquatch or a dog
band or there was problems, you know, they came to them.
So she got, you know, kind of scooped up by
the hunters. She joined the organization and then Sam, you know,
was kind of like born into it.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
Yeah, so that's how he you know, kind of like
joined up.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
He was.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
He was he was born into it. But it doesn't
always happen like that. A lot of people get recruited.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
How does one become recruited into the Hunters?

Speaker 6 (48:17):
That was I knew somebody was gonna ask that.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I'm going to tell you right now, if you created
little the Hunter licenses, oh yeah, I would totally buy one.
I would totally buy one just saying that's you know
what we write that down.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
That's actually not that would actually be a lit piece
of merchandise, little Hunter swag. But no, so that's a
good question. But I knew somebody was gonna ask that.
I knew that somebody was gonna be like, yeah, like,
how to sign me up?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I want to join it.

Speaker 7 (48:53):
I was like, don't do it. So there is actually
in in the Hunters. So the Hunters capital Age is
the organization. There's a lot of branches of it who
all do different things. So Sam is like, you know,
a combat hunter or a field hunter. You know, the
guys who go out in the wilderness or whatever, you know,
go study cryptids or you know, like eliminate them or whatever.

(49:16):
There are like the surgeons who start with the capital S.
They're not actually all surgeons, but again it kind of
comes from those old you know, English times when that's
what they did. But they're like the chemists and the
researchers kind of the scientists the biologists. So there is
a wing of the hunters called the scouts with the
capital S, and their job is to like go out,
you know and find people who may or may not

(49:37):
be you know, good candidates for the organization. And often
it's people who had encounters, but often it's just people
who are like really skilled at what they do, you know,
people who are known for being like very good hunters,
very good trackers, often very good like snipers or a gunman,
or very good biologists, you know, very you know, talented

(49:59):
like management people. So they're the scouts are the ones
who go out and you know, try to find people.
But uh, that's why I said in one of my
first I think the first letter, somebody was like, how
do I become a hunter? And I immediately I was like,
I knew they were going to say that, and I said,
we will find you.

Speaker 6 (50:15):
It was like, if we want you we will find you.
But no, it's not.

Speaker 7 (50:20):
I mean, it's not glamorous, man, it's not glamorous. And
it takes a it takes it takes a lot. You know,
you got you well to be a field hunter, right,
like every every anybody can kind of do the bureaucracy,
the paperwork, right, but nobody wants to do that. Everybody's like,
I want to go, you know, out and like you know, fight,
you know, fight the wind to go, you know, or

(50:42):
like I want to go, you know, capture a thunderbird.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
It's like, don't do that.

Speaker 7 (50:46):
You're not ready.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Like you might think you're ready, but you're probably not.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You know.

Speaker 6 (50:51):
Yeah, it's it's it's it's a rough job.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Hows you develop the creatures?

Speaker 6 (51:01):
You know?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
We know the Sasquatch, we know the dog man, we
know the wind to go, the skin Walker, the aliens,
the UFO is the ghosts. You have come up with
a number of different creatures that are in the stories
Letters to a Cryptid Hunter. So I'm curious how you
came up with them and maybe give a few examples.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Wait a minute, well do you hold do we have
to take a break in like two minutes or whatever?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Three minutes, two minutes.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Okay, all right, so just make it sure so.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
You know they're all watching the talk around.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
Here, they're all really you know, I have not made
up anything, by and large. I mean these are all,
you know, either taken almost directly or very directly inspired
from actual real life cryptids from all over the world.
And one of the reasons I wanted to have a

(51:54):
and indigenous protagonists but be you know, kind of a
global story is because I love the travel, I love
different cultures, and I wanted to tell stories about cryptids that, yeah,
like people don't know.

Speaker 6 (52:03):
About it, you know, like people know what.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
A you know, what a dog is, a sasquatch want
to go, but nobody knows, you know what like a
what chew games or like a Comma sance is, or
nobody knows about even like some kind of popular stuff
like the bun yip, which is from Australia, so some
creatures some examples well so well yeah, but the bun yip,
that's probably Australia's most famous cryptid, nobody really knows where

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it is. If you go and look it up, it's
got like a zillion different representations.

Speaker 6 (52:32):
In the letters from a Crypto Hunter it's.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
Kind of like a big otter dog cat kind of thing.
It's an aquatic predator. It's got a booming roar and
an extendable neck. But then then then like the mlon
Tuka said that a couple of times. It's one of
my favorites. It's a giant they called the elephant killer.
That's what it's name, named elephant killer. It lives in

(52:55):
Central Africa and the rainforests. It's kind of like a
fusion of a rhino when to triceratops, that letter is
kind of wild.

Speaker 6 (53:05):
What else they Well, so.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
Then there are and there's there's there's stuff that are
like somewhat known, what are kind of like less popular.
So like the thunderbird, which is in a lot of
indigenous mythologies, especially in the Great Lakes and the Plains.
They are enormous essentially in the same wae el. They're
based off the terratorns, which were enormous vulture like relatives
that used to live out west. They one of the

(53:30):
largest birds ever, Argentatus, was a territorn. And yeah, so
like taking stuff like that and then combining it with
the mythology, So thunderbirds they don't you know, shoot lightning
from their eyes or you know, throw it from their wings,
but they fly around in storms like completely without fear.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
Lightning seems to follow them.

Speaker 7 (53:49):
So, you know, just kind of taking those myth aspects,
but also taking aspects of very real, very biological, you know,
zoologically plausible, you know, like animals, you know, in creatures
even you know, stuff like vampires. They're just kind of
altered humans. They're in the kind of the second season.

(54:10):
But yeah, just I try to make them, you know,
as like plausible as possible. Maybe maybe one reason, like
so many people think it's real, you.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Know, well, I mean and that's well, purpose is to
try and bring some of these creatures to light. You know,
we're used to the ones here in North America, but
we maybe not used to ones in Europe or Australia
or Asia.

Speaker 6 (54:32):
Right exactly. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
And one of my favorite is the question and answer section.
I always like to I always have a section about
cryptis from around the world. You know, we have viewers
asking questions from Scandinavia, India, Philippines.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
You know, so what's there blah blah blah.

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He is a creepypasta writer. He's got his first book
coming out called Letters from a Cryptid Hunter, Volume one,

(01:02:48):
Sam White Owl's Letters from a Cryptid Hunter. I'm telling you,
if you've never heard these stories, this is one you're
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Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Elias. Welcome back to spaced Out Radio.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Glad to be back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
All right, My man Sam white Owl has fallen in love.
He's found heartbreak and pain from people being lost to
these cryptids. I mean, you have to try and make
it as realistic as possible with this. I mean, but man,
you kill off a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I do.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
I do.

Speaker 7 (01:03:34):
It's it's not easy, there is. It's sort of it's
actually kind of like Samue Owl, except it's it's kind
of medieval there's a series it's called The Witcher. It
got a Netflix series which is abysmal. Don't that Netflix
series play the games or read the books. But the

(01:03:56):
games are phenomenal. And there's this line one of the characters.
Witchers are essentially kind of like you know, that world's
version of like Krypton Hunters. They're they're they're like specially trained.
They go to like schools in order specifically to like
hunt and kill monsters. And there's one line I think
it's the character Letho and he says, uh, a Witcher

(01:04:19):
never dies in their bed. You know, the idea of
being like this job is so dangerous, and it's like
it's all we do that like we are going to
get killed, you know, like we're not gonna live, you know,
and die of old age peacefully, you know, in our sleep,
or you get killed and it's not quite that bad
in uh In you know, Sam White Owl. But yeah, no, people,

(01:04:40):
people bite the dust. These are incredibly dangerous creatures. And
now it's it's not safe, you know, it's it's a
lot like it's I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
Want to say it's like a war because it's really not.
But if you go on a hunt.

Speaker 7 (01:04:57):
And I mean even if you're not trying to you know,
kill the cryptid, even if you're just maybe trying to
capture it or observe it. You know, this this is
what happens with you know, in real life with often
with wild animals. You know, obviously it's much rarer in
real life. You're usually not going out trying to like
you know, quite a lion or something. You know, but
you might be going out, you know, trying to necessarily,

(01:05:21):
you know, if it's a problem lion, like if it's
you know, killing a lot of people, or it's killed
a lot of livestock. A lot of times they get
killed unfortunately, and yeah, it's brutal. People die. And these
are created you know a lot of these, well not
a lot, but some of the cryptids are stuff like
the windgo or the wet chew gay, the tall deer.

(01:05:42):
Their entire existence is predicated upon you know, mass like
indiscriminate violence and indiscriminate death. So these are creatures that
you know, it's rare, but they are like that. So
there are some like that. And when it is, yeah,
people die. These are dangerous gritters. Yeah, even even the

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ones that are you know more you know, sort of
intelligent that could be communicated with stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
Yeah, it's it's it's not a safe job.

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
I mean you could be one of the guys at
the desk, right, you know, doing all the behind the
scenes you know, paperwork and arranging, you know, like you know,
making calls to law enforcement or whatever. But like nah,
I mean you know people who want to go out
in the field.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Yeah, it's it's it's vicious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I want to just change subjects here for a moment,
if you don't mind, because you have given yourself a
crash course encryptid creatures you know, from all over the world.
Out of all the ones that you have studied, which
one do you think or maybe ones do you think

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are real and are out there somewhere that is really
really scary.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
It's really really scary. Damn, that's a good question. Oh
I don't know. That's that's a very good question. There
are some.

Speaker 7 (01:07:11):
And I don't want to you know, I'm not gonna
go to the defense to it, but we'll just say,
walkers are you know what I'm talking about? Everybody knows
what we're talking about. Even guys are in a gred
deal note I refer to are very scary, and we
will we can leave it at that. Well, actually, just
elaborate on it slightly. They are and this kind this
comes up with the stories. They are almost exclusively a

(01:07:37):
threat and a danger in and around the Navajo Nation,
but it's also it's also kind of a broader region
called Dinanta off in the Four Corners in the southwest.
If you're away from there, you're almost you're you're safe.
But they are dangerous, and that is very scary. I

(01:07:58):
do not like people mimicking voices or not being able
to trust animals that move strangely. But we will leave
it there because I yeah, that's we don't talk about
these things, especially how at night, but they are in
the stories. But other things that are scary, you know,

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so I mean sasquatch honestly, like can be very scary.
Like there's a lot of like absolutely just horror stories
out there. The little people, actually, the little people may
be and this is another thing that you know, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
A little bit a little you know, a little.

Speaker 7 (01:08:35):
More touchy, but the little people are for those people
who don't know they are somewhat like sasquatch in that
and there's you know, stories about different sorts of groups
of them, but I'm talking about the North American ones.

Speaker 6 (01:08:49):
They live all over the continent, the North American continents.

Speaker 7 (01:08:51):
Some of them can even go down too, like Mexico
and Central America. But they're you know, they're humans, but
they're a lot like humans, but they're just smaller and
are very ridicuous if you offend them, if you go
into certain areas that they don't want you in, like
they'll warn you, but like they will kill.

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
You very quickly.

Speaker 7 (01:09:13):
And you know, it's like what a lot of times
they'll just shoot you, like with arrows or spears oftentimes
that have some sort of you know power or something
that will literally just kill you straight up. That is
very that is very scary. But but but it's kind
of like with with a lot of this stuff, it's

(01:09:34):
like just just be smart, you know, don't go into
areas where people don't tell you to go, you know,
don't do don't do dumb stuff, you know, like don't
don't go around, you know, like disrespecting you know, like
certain areas you know, like secret sites that kind of thing.
But yeah, no, those are some scary ones in other locations.

(01:09:56):
I'm trying to think about other stuff. In other places.
There are some very creepy human ish cryptids from Eastern Europe,
a lot of a lot of shape shifting things that
again I can't say, you know, are necessarily like one
hundred percent real, oh.

Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
By the way, And I'm sticking mainly.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
To things that are like, you know, we're quote real, right,
you know, because I think there's some truth to like
pretty much all of these, but I don't, you know,
not exactly necessarily like the stories some stuff in Eastern Europe, Yeah,
just shape shifting stuff that a lot of mimicry goes
on there.

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
In Japan, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 7 (01:10:35):
Japan has some very odd, very strange, very disturbing creatures.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
There is the.

Speaker 7 (01:10:45):
Like the Yuki Onna, the snow woman. She lives in
like high mountains and again like obviously snowy regions and
will often seduce men or lure them like into the
snow and just like get them lost in the blizzards
or have them freeze to death, and that must.

Speaker 6 (01:11:04):
Just be absolutely miserable.

Speaker 7 (01:11:07):
Really weird stuff, uh, some of which is not super scary,
Like the Kappa are from Japan. They're kind of like
little little uh little like.

Speaker 6 (01:11:15):
Water gremlin dudes.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
But yeah, no, there are, so there's definitely some scary
stuff out there. Also, stuff like the Ammelontuca that I
mentioned before, kind of that rhino ish the reptile sort
of crist aerotops ish or seratopsy, and that's very scary.
I would not want to have a giant, you know,
seven foot seven plus foot tall animal that regularly kills
elephants like charging me. They'll be very scary. The Oswong,

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by the way, let me mention a lot of these cryptis.
If you go on Elias Ramos dot com you sign
up for the uh the mailing list, you will get
a special pamphlet never before seen that's got little sketches
and the like I made little like doodles and little
blurbs on a lot of these ones, and the Oswong

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is on that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
The Oswong is sort.

Speaker 7 (01:12:06):
Of like a Filipino. Some people kind of call it
a vampire.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
It's not really a vampire.

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
It does suck blood, but it's about the only similarity.
It's they're very skinny, they're very long. A lot you
know a lot of these sort of like long, skinny
humanoids are very scary. It's very stealthy, and it has
an extendable tongue that weirdly enough, they will actually like
eat fetuses, like it's very fond of eating fetuses out
of like pregnant women with it's like massive tong which

(01:12:35):
is absolutely horrific.

Speaker 6 (01:12:37):
But they're yeah, it's it's so gnarly.

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
They're terrible, and they're they're they're very tall, they're very skinny,
and they're fast. They're incredibly fast. They're incredibly stealthy. That
is very That is very freaking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:12:50):
Last one, everybody everybody knows La, which is she's the
Weeping Woman of uh like basically from like everywhere, from
like Mexico's off. She's uh, you know, sort of the
morning the morning uh.

Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
Like the lady in white kind of ghost that is
all over the world.

Speaker 7 (01:13:09):
She's like the Latin American version. She she cries for
her uh, her children who were drowned. And in many myths,
if you or many of the tales, if you come
across her, she made round you. There's another creature called
the siwan Alla lives in Mexico.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
Is still bizarre.

Speaker 7 (01:13:27):
A horse woman who looks maybe vaguely like you know,
a woman from a distance, but mimics voices and mimics
like a female voice, and when you approach her, she
will reveal that she has either a horse's face or
like is like half horse and will eat you, which

(01:13:48):
is absolutely horrific. If if I heard a woman on
the side of the road, you know, crying for help,
asking me, you know, to like come over, and I
went over, and.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
You know, she had her head and she revealed she
just like a horse. No what a horse? No way,
Absolutely horrific. So there you go. Those are some of
the scariest ones.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
How many of these do you believe in? How many
do you believe are really out there? Of all of these,
whether that it's in Japan or whether it's in Bulgaria
or or Brazil or wherever it may be.

Speaker 7 (01:14:22):
M that's you know, and it's tough because like obviously
there's there's so many rights. So like I can't, you know,
off the top of my head be like that that that,
But what I would say is okay, So like the
definitely real ones I would say almost certainly are like
bigfoot little people. There is some truths to thunderbirds. Well,

(01:14:46):
and then Here's another thing too, is stuff like thunderbirds
and a lot of these scripts. I think there is here, okay,
kind of a I know, this is kind of like
a wishy washy, you know, not super definite answer, but
I think there's truth to all of this stuff. There's
some level of truth, you know, to all of it.

(01:15:06):
Whether it's all true, I don't know, right, And I
think there are very few creatures that are exactly as
they're shown or you know, portrayed or you know, spoken
of in myths and legends, in stories, in teachings.

Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
And another thing too is so many teachings differ. You know,
the same cryptid in one region maybe you know, pretty
damn different from what it is in another region.

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
You know, like sasquatches are one, and obviously they have
different you know, like groups, different troops and different.

Speaker 6 (01:15:38):
Like subspecies and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
But you know, in your in your neck of the woods,
British Columbia, even within that small range, a lot of
people are like, yeah, he's very peaceful, he's like chill,
just like leave him alone. But then a lot of
people are like, dude, if you look them in the eye,
they will kill you. You know, like in a very
you know, small region. So when you hear stuff like that,

(01:16:00):
it's like, Okay, well if I believe X version, what
if it's actually why? So the reason I say that
is because, you know, I think very few things are
true to the letter, as it were, of the myths,
the legends, but you know, the stories, but I think
there's some truth to all of them.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
There's something there.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
Again, I cannot say how valid or not it is,
but that's kind of what I try to get at
with the stories. You know, is again like you know,
the thunderbird example, No, it doesn't you know, fling lightning
or you know, like spit or you know, have like
lightning vision. But it you know, flies around in storms,
so maybe it does have you know, some sort of

(01:16:45):
thunder aspect. But yeah, as to the ones I definitely
think are real.

Speaker 6 (01:16:48):
I think the oswoon could be real.

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
I don't know if it has an extendable tongue and
eats fetuses, but like I think I think there could
be something out there that you know, moves very fast
and kills people at night. Yeah, I think those those
are probably those are some of the some of the
big ones. Oh no, dog Man, I think dog Man
is again, I don't know if it's exactly like all

(01:17:11):
the stories say, but I think there's something there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
There's something to be.

Speaker 7 (01:17:16):
Yeah, like wolf Man, dog Man idea. Crawlers, crawlers could
be a thing crawler Well, actually, do you know what
would you call do you know crawlers?

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Like do you know that the night crawlers, not.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
The frest No nightcrawlers. I'm talking do you know like
the rake? Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:17:36):
Yeah, like so in in Samwuel they're basically these they're
like the long white thing. I don't know how to say,
they're like these they very tall, very long, very skinny
like white creatures.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Extremely lanky arms and legs with no muscle tone.

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and they have like you know, large
eyes and maybe you know, like the noses, and they
crawl around at night, you know, pale rollers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Somebody said pale those things.

Speaker 6 (01:18:04):
I don't know. Again, I don't know like how one
real they are.

Speaker 7 (01:18:08):
But they could like those those those are reported all
over the place, so like that could there's totally something there.
Had a rake exciting yeah, like you know so in
more recent times they call it the rake, but uh yeah,
I mean there there's some there's something behind all of
these again, whether it's exactly like it's said, I I
cannot tell you. But no definisode hardcore, Yes, sasquatches, little people,

(01:18:35):
maybe the Oswan, And I would say wolf men will
er dog man.

Speaker 11 (01:18:42):
Yeah, I always I'm not aware that were wolves are
not not were wolves, not you know, shifting forms between
human and wolf, but like like dog man.

Speaker 7 (01:18:53):
But you know the thing that's like, you know half
which is letter number three.

Speaker 6 (01:18:59):
Is a way.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
I always look at it like I've been fortunate or unfortunate,
depending how you think I've had. I have had encounters
with sasquatch. I have had encounters or one encounter with
either a skin walker or a when to Go. Yeah,
that was a couple of months ago where my research

(01:19:25):
partner Tim and I were all of a sudden hearing
at our research spot in deep woods of the forest,
where all of a sudden hearing a woman's voice saying
help me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Over here, can you help me?

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
And where we go there is one way in and
one way out. We would see anybody who came in.
And then the voice changed from a from that woman
to a man saying help us. We're over here, can
you help bus? And it was all monotone, like there

(01:20:02):
was no emotion in the voice. There was no screaming
or you know, you hear these these AI generated videos
where these these creatures are like screaming, how bad? Right,
you know, it wasn't anything like that. It was literally
like the most monotone thing helped me.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
I heard.

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
Who wait, okay, you know Less Stroud obviously, yes, he
had a It was a radio show, it was, and
it was called like Bigfoot Chronicles or something. And it
wasn't him who actually did the show. I think he
just kind of like sponsored it. But there was a
guy who did the show, and he had a woman

(01:20:45):
on the show that said that she reported it sounded
very much like what you said. It sounded almost exactly
like what you just imitated. She said it was in
her backyard and she said it was a sasquatchals. Yes,
that's the one. And she had apparently a saucewatch in

(01:21:07):
her backyard. And I think multiple that we're doing that
exact same thing. And she actually on the show did
like she mimicked it herself, and it sounded very similar
to what you just said.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
It was creepy because at one point, at one point she.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Said, help me. I love you? What help me? Yeah,
that's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
How we knew that we weren't dealing with a human, right,
you know. Two reasons the monotone voice, and it was
moving through the forest. So like if we were sitting
up at high noon, this creature or whatever it was
was at like one hundred yards away at like four o'clock,

(01:21:55):
and then it moved up to three o'clock, and then
eventually it moved over to eleven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah, like it was.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
It was totally surrounding us, and it was all helped me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I'm over here.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
Did you can you heard it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Oh? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
The unfortunate part about it is our microphones didn't pick
it up. Okay, but we could hear it with our ears,
but it was tough to hear with the ears.

Speaker 6 (01:22:23):
Was it large?

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
We never saw it.

Speaker 7 (01:22:26):
Well or well, you heard it moving, but like, but
what you know, was it like it sounded large?

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
I guess well that they say sasquatch. You know a
lot of times.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Are so the sasquatch encounters we have had there, it's
very large. You can hear they're very large, and they've
come very close to us. Interesting, Yeah, and the the
area where I'm in, it's very it's very coastrophobic because
you're surrounded by a wall of trees and brush, and

(01:23:00):
they will move right into that brush area or just
behind it. Probably the thing that's freaked me out the
most with the Sasquatch was I had a First Nation's
friend of mine drumming and singing, and she sits down,
and out of all the nights that we were not recording,

(01:23:20):
she sits down after drumming and singing and puts the
drum on, and I, I don't understand the language.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
What she's cree okay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Okay okay, And so all of a sudden she sits
down and I said, that song really felt like it
was a welcoming song, and she goes it was, and
I was like, oh, I said that was beautiful. And
we sat there and we just kind of talked about
the song, and all of a sudden, about thirty five
yards from us, just behind this wall of trees and brush,

(01:23:57):
we heard the loudest tree knocks I have ever heard.
Like we're talking, we're talking Louisville slugger bat on a
full full berry bond, swing on a on.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
A tree twice wham wham.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah, and it was like you gotta be kidding me
right now, Like it was terrifying and and you know,
but we knew as terrifying as it was, we knew
that it was. It was literally about like a like
a thank you for the song.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Like there was nothing, there was nothing that felt the
furious about it. It was like I'm right here listing,
I'm going to respond to you. And of course, because
we're not used to it, that's where it got. It
got scary. When we return on spaced Out Radio, we're
going to take some audience questions with Elias Ramos next.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
H M.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
You're listening space Out for you? What's your host? Dave Scott?
All right, my man, we're clear. You have them fun No,

(01:25:31):
this is so funny.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Yeah, no, this is this is crazy. That's so interesting.
My well, and you know a lot of first essions
indigenous you know, have you know, reading songs obviously for
other people and visitors and stuff, but.

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
Also you know, just songs.

Speaker 7 (01:25:51):
It's like, Okay, I'm coming through the woods, you know,
just like I'm here, you know, I'm coming through you know,
just like I'm like.

Speaker 6 (01:25:59):
I don't want to bother you.

Speaker 7 (01:26:00):
I'm just like passing by, you know, and you know,
just it's like a form of respect, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
It's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
The funny part of the funny part about that, the
week after that incident, I still I still laugh at this.
The week after that incident, Tim and I are out
there and once again we have the camera off, and

(01:26:31):
right in that exact same area where the tree knock happened,
we start hearing something big move through the trees so
in our area because we can't see it. We have
just so you know, we have a lot of like
twelve to fifteen hundred pound moose. There's we have grizzly bears,

(01:26:52):
we have black bears, we have wild horses, we have
laugh packs, mountain lions, like everything in that area a
lot of that could kill you, right And all of
a sudden, and it still cracks me up, we hear
this creature move in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
And it starts ripping ass right there, and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
It's like it went on for about fifteen seconds, like
oh my god, just like that. And I'm looking at
Tim and I'm like and I literally said, are you
serious right now? Like is this what's going on?

Speaker 6 (01:27:36):
And and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
It was so hilarious, I mean pun intended. The shitty
part about it was we had the camera off when
that was happening, and it's stunned and it stunned us
so much that we forgot to turn the camera on. Well,
we go back to the week after that, and we
go into that area where we thought the farting was happening,

(01:28:02):
and what we noticed was a strange clump of feces.
And we're with we're with people who are outdoors people. Okay,
we know what bear looks like, bear scout looks like,
and there is a difference between black bear and grizzly bear. Y, Okay,

(01:28:23):
we know what horse scat looks like. We know what
moose scat looks like, deer scat, wolf scat, different, mountain
lion scat.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
This looked nothing like any of those.

Speaker 6 (01:28:36):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Yeah, and so we actually we actually have some in
a freezer. I'm just waiting to find the right scientists
please to send it. Yeah, we took we took some home.

Speaker 6 (01:28:51):
I want to know. I want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
Oh yeah, now it could be it could be something natural.
I don't think it was. Yeah, yeah, right, well you know,
and oh, here's the here's the one. Here's the other
weird part about it. Those animals that are there, they
just poop anywhere, They poop anywhere. But this where this

(01:29:17):
was strange was that it actually backed its ass up
into a bunch of trees, so a bunch of like
small shrubs and bushes, and that's where it dropped. And
animals just don't do that. They don't back their butts
into a tree area. I mean, if they're walking along,
they'll just drop it right there, you know. So it

(01:29:41):
was strange, Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:29:43):
And no, because so a lot of animals, and it
really depends a lot of times. It's you know, territorial stuff,
a lot of it. And it's like you, I mean,
you have i'm seraing milk dogs.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:29:56):
Everybody's like, you know, there's the stereotype of like the
dog peeing on fire hydrant. But there's a reason for that,
which is that a fire hydrant typically it's on sidewalk.
It's big, it's obvious, it sticks out like a sword thumb,
and it's tall. So for all the other dogs coming along,
they're like, oh, that's the spot right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Hold that thought. We got to come back to the
show here in like five seconds. Hold on, everybody, we'll
get some warp.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
We're at the halfway point of Spaced Out Radio tonight.
Good to have you with us. My name is Dave Scott.
We are having a great time tonight with Elias Ramos
hanging on out with us, talking about legends, cryptids, storytelling,
and much more. His website Elias Ramos dot com, where

(01:31:06):
you can find Sam White Owl's Letters from a Cryptid Hunter,
Volume one, which is on pre sale right now. It's
going to be a great one. I highly recommend it.
You know, I don't recommend a lot of books. This
one I do. Okay, this one I do. It's absolutely amazing. Elias.

(01:31:27):
Thank you so much for being here tonight.

Speaker 7 (01:31:30):
Thank you, Dave. I appreciate it. Can I just say
something really fat, yes, I'm sorry. Well for people on
YouTube they heard they heard this story about Dave was
talking about a sasquatch or potentially a sasquatch, you know,
dropping dropping a massive turd in the wilderness, and he
heard it for like fifteen seconds. He said, you heard

(01:31:51):
a very long flatulence, a very long bout of flatchless.
I'll tell you really fast, this is very quick, and
this is a talk about a sasquatch. So you know,
if humans were what it's called PLANTI grade, which is,
you know, our whole foot sits on the ground and
this is this is the kind of stuff that goes
into sand white out too. You know, we walk like
you know, with our heel on the ground. Most animals

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are what they're called digitigrade.

Speaker 6 (01:32:15):
They walk on their toes like a hoof, you know,
a horse bow or it's.

Speaker 7 (01:32:19):
A toe just like or like even a dogs. Yeah, no,
even dogs kind of have like toes like that. Elephants
are digitigrade. If you look at an elephant foot, you know,
it's kind of just like a big pillar. Yes, but
inside there the elephants have toe and you can see
the toes on the front of the foot. They sit
like this, and so all the stuff under there, like

(01:32:40):
in the foot, that's all fat.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
It's all cushiony basically.

Speaker 7 (01:32:43):
So people are like, oh, elephants, you know, like they
must you know, like thump across the ground.

Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
They must be, So they're not.

Speaker 7 (01:32:50):
They're actually very very quiet because that fat is like
it's a cushion, and they move pretty slow and their
gait is so even you know, elephants. They literally cannot
physically run. They can only like walk like speed walk,
but they're so big it kind of doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (01:33:08):
But they're very quiet.

Speaker 7 (01:33:09):
And so when we were in Namibia, we actually had
elephants come through our camp in the dead of night
in Antosha National Park. They walked through and I don't
know exactly how many there were there. It was a
small herd and it was, you know, a female led herd,
and there were a couple, you know, children and young elephants,

(01:33:30):
and they crossed like almost directly through our camp and
I did not hear them, or I didn't know exactly
what it was. I heard movement outside. I was like,
those are I was like, there's something out there, but
you know, we're in the middle of like you know,
the wilderness in Namibia. So I was like, I don't
know what that is. And I thought about sticking my
head out and looking, and then I heard farting. I

(01:33:51):
was like, what it was like fairly loud farting and
coming from like high up, like much too.

Speaker 6 (01:33:58):
High up to be basically anything else. It was like
something is out there and it was elephants.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
It was it was like, no way.

Speaker 6 (01:34:07):
We could have seen me.

Speaker 7 (01:34:08):
I think there were like maybe three or four of them,
but we could actually see because it was the moon
was small or you know, there wasn't much light and
it was it was wild. I was like, look at it.

Speaker 6 (01:34:19):
I was like, this is unreal. It was it was.

Speaker 7 (01:34:22):
It was so incredible there. They're such cool animals. Also,
Tartar Saucer. You know what is up the rock high Rax. Well,
and not just the rock Highracks, the high Rex, but
the Dossi.

Speaker 6 (01:34:32):
Uh is what it's called.

Speaker 7 (01:34:33):
I had a toy dot see. It goes all the
way back. I had a toy Dossi when I was
a kid. They looked like little brownhowks. They're the closest
living relatives to elephants.

Speaker 6 (01:34:42):
Anyways. Just I'm kind of nerding out about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Animals here that it all goes into the same light
out of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Another question I have for you, what is your favorite
cryptid to write about?

Speaker 7 (01:34:55):
That's a good question, well to write about or just
kind of in general. Thunderbirds are so amazing. They are.

Speaker 6 (01:35:09):
I mean, you know, they're sacred.

Speaker 7 (01:35:11):
Animals and like you know, in indigenous cultures, you know,
all animals are kind of like sacred in their own
way and or have you know, some sort of like
a lot of value. But thunderbirds in particular are just
these mighty, massive birds. And ever since I was a kid,
I've always loved said, you know, we're talking about dinosaurs.
I love dinosaurs, but my favorite's always been the pterosaurs.

(01:35:33):
They're not dinosaurs, but you know what you call terot
apt those, you know, the big flying ones. I love
those so much. And thunderbirds, I don't know, they channel
that same vibe. They're enormous and lightning, man, Lightning is
just like it's such a powerful element. And to think about,
you know, a a creature that you know it's like

(01:35:55):
connected to that element in particular, it's just amazing. And
they're they're just mighty. They're like eagles. They they kind
of have like the same eagle level, but like massive.

Speaker 6 (01:36:09):
Very cool.

Speaker 7 (01:36:10):
Oh yes, and really Jane Goodall, who by the way,
I actually worked with her briefly with her grandson.

Speaker 6 (01:36:16):
I got to meet her.

Speaker 7 (01:36:17):
She was like, you should go to Tanzania and meet
with my grandson and uh and go work for him
at Pugoo Hills. And I did, but then COVID made
me come home it was very unfortunate.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
But no, she was the best.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
She was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
She was awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:36:31):
Anyways, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
She also she also believed that Sasquatch was real. Yep,
she knew. She knew.

Speaker 7 (01:36:39):
And I'm like, dude, if she like, you know, if
anybody should know, it's her, right, you know. Yeah, No,
Jane Goodall. She's just such a wonderful.

Speaker 6 (01:36:52):
She was. It's funny. She I met her with my
grandma and she was.

Speaker 7 (01:36:58):
Basically my grandma. She was like she was like my
other grandma. She held my hand and was just so nice.
She let me like hold one of her toys, one
of her her toy animals, because there's a little toy chip.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
She was awesome.

Speaker 10 (01:37:11):
She was so cool.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
Yeah, I loved her.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
That's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:37:16):
Yeah, she was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:37:18):
Yeah, everybody's in the chat stuff about elephants and yeah, well,
and the reason they can hear the sound to do
the ground we're talking about in forsound with dog men.
Elephants communicate through infrasound, and because of those cushions and
their feet they absorb all the vibrations of the infrasound
they send it for miles throughout the earth to talk
to each other. And you'll often see them standing on

(01:37:38):
three legs because they can't really send on two, you know,
because they're just too big, and they send on three
legs so they can kind of like source the sound
better with like you know, the three that are on
the ground.

Speaker 6 (01:37:50):
They're so cool. Elephants are amazing. They can also send
earthquakes like that.

Speaker 7 (01:37:54):
They're always they could they see earthquakes coming and are
always like on the move before it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
That anyways, I'm sorry, don't keep killing men.

Speaker 7 (01:38:03):
Well no, I just well because I just love animals,
and you know, this is all kind of stuff that
goes into you.

Speaker 6 (01:38:08):
Know, the Sam White owl stories.

Speaker 7 (01:38:10):
It's like, how would these creatures actually you know again
like I think some of them are real, right, just
try and condition, but it's like how how you know,
how do these how do animals actually live? And how
would you know? X y Z cryptid actually you know,
behave like that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
You know, so if you could meet one cryptid face
to face, what would you like to experience.

Speaker 7 (01:38:38):
Oh, experience I would kind of just like well you
mentioned thunderbirds. I would love to just meet a thunderbird
and have it like look at me and just kind
of be in this presence, you know, and maybe not
even just other thunderbirds. You know, something very large, you know,

(01:39:00):
the makata comes up in sam white owl. It's a
it's a giant. It's like a giant. It's it's not
a cetacean, so it's not a whale or a dolphin,
but it's huge. It's a very large you know, aquatic cryptid.
And you just kind of have one of these really
huge maybe and again it kind of goes back to
the dinosaurs, right, you know, just something about massive creatures

(01:39:22):
just kind of like looking at me and just have
like an eye to eye experience, you know, just like
acknowledging each other, appreciating each other and just kind of like,
you know, just having a moment of connection. But then
you know, potentially you know, and then then just leaving
it there because otherwise, you know, I wouldn't want to
in you know, I wouldn't want to intrude on them

(01:39:43):
too much, you know, if one was very not you know,
if if I could hang out and talk with like
a kid Suna Kidsune are the fox folk you've probably
heard of, you know, in Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam. You know,
in China they're called the hui jing in China there
or Japan, I'm sorry. In China they're called the huli Jing,

(01:40:03):
and Japan the kitsune. In Korea they're the kumiho. They
shake shift. They take the form of humans, but also
foxes you may have heard of, like the nine tailed
fox or the fox with multiple tales. Those are These
are the fox folk in sam Jui al now. Love
to just have a conversation with one of them, you know,
and just you know, like what were things like, you

(01:40:25):
know back in the old days, like did you teach
humans to write? You know, or like how do you, you know,
produce fire from your hands? That kind of stuff, you know,
and just talk with them.

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
You know, what can you teach me?

Speaker 7 (01:40:36):
You know what what do you think of humans? Like
what could you teach us? You know, like are we
being good? Or are we really? Are we really stupid?
You know that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
I would love for my encounter to be with a sasquatch.

Speaker 6 (01:40:52):
Yeah yeah, well you kind of have bad boy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Well I know that, but I want to I want
a close encounter, like like less than thirty feet oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
I want to just be able to look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
And I have this romantic picture in my head that
if I'm blessed to have that happen, I just really
want to to have the opportunity just to say thank
you and just look at amazement and in awe at
its beauty, at its strength and everything, and just show

(01:41:31):
it love. Now, I realize that may sound a little
hipsterish or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
No, but I have this thing too.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
But I have this just this romantic idea in my
head and I've had it since before I moved up
here that I just want to have that close encounter
where I could just stare at it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
I like, I don't even need to move.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
And the problem is I don't know if I would
have the fortitude to do it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:00):
I know, yes, I I uh yeah, no, I get
you well, and it's you're like, I know that sounds
a little hipster, but no it doesn't, because that.

Speaker 6 (01:42:09):
Was basically what I was saying with the you.

Speaker 7 (01:42:11):
Know, with the thunderbird, you know, just kind of like
showing the appreciation, the respect.

Speaker 6 (01:42:15):
The the love, the acknowledgment of like you.

Speaker 7 (01:42:17):
Know, interrelatedness, but also just like you know, you're there
I'm here, but we can be like chill together, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:42:28):
But yeah, no, I don't know if I.

Speaker 7 (01:42:32):
Although I gotta say, I think in these situations, I
think I would just freeze. You know, there's a fight
flight response every but you know there's there's multiple different
you know, everybody say's fight or flight response, there's actually
like four fight flight, freeze or fawn fawn meaning basically
try to like appease, you know, or try to like

(01:42:52):
placate the threat, but freeze. I think I would just freeze, honestly.
And you know it's hard to say, you know, oh
I would do that.

Speaker 6 (01:43:01):
Because it hasn't happened.

Speaker 7 (01:43:02):
But no, I feel like I would just freeze. You know,
I'd be too scared to even move. I think, you know,
but who knows.

Speaker 6 (01:43:11):
I mean, you don't know until it happens to you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
No, that's very true, very true.

Speaker 7 (01:43:17):
And I will say, you know, I've had multiple captures
of dangerous animals and I've actually, I actually have not
frozen on any of them. Like I've actually I've gotten moving,
you know, when when it's been when it's been appropriate.
So yeah, maybe I wouldn't freeze.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Oun't now, I know I would I if I know
me as well as I know me, I would totally freeze.
But I just want that close encounter. And that's the
energy that I'm putting out. I think eventually, I don't
think it'll happen this year, but maybe in the next
year or two, it may happen at that spot.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
Yeah, I think it would be nice. I think that
would be nice. Although, well, but the thing.

Speaker 7 (01:44:00):
Is too, you know, with a lot of this stuff,
you gotta be careful, man, you just have to be careful,
you know, like it's just like well, and you know,
a lot of times it's not necessarily you know, oh
like don't don't go out there, you know, but it's
also like you just you have to be careful, you know,
kind of like be.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
Careful what you wish for a kind of thing, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:19):
But I but I hear you, you know, and and again,
and I think kind of like your energy, your vibe,
you know. I think most it's justly something like a sasquatch,
which you know, doesn't have the exact sort of level
of like you know, reactivity necessarily as like a bear

(01:44:39):
or a wolf. You know, a sasquatch would often be
able to tell you know, Okay, this guy is not
trying to do anything stupid, you know. And a sasquatch also,
like a lot of animals, you know, they're much more
likely to scare you off than they are to actually
like attack you, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
But yeah, you just gotta be careful, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:56):
But that is it is a very wholesome it is
very wholesome thought, and I think, yeah, I definitely think
it could happen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
All right, let's get to some audience questions here. Let's
start off with Philip Blair. He's over the UK. Can
Sam White Owl remember any past lives?

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
Can say?

Speaker 7 (01:45:15):
Oh, Sam, no, no. But you know, like a lot
of Indigenous people, you know, family is such a big thing,
and that's been something in my life personally that you know,
I wish I had had a better connection too. You know,
my native side uh is from Puerto Rico. That's you know,

(01:45:37):
I'm actually very sure the uh the people from Puerto Rico,
and I wasn't able to get to know my family
auton him from the island. So I don't know, I wish,
you know, I could have had that connection. But Sam
does and so he doesn't remember any past lives, but
he is very close to like his ancestors. He has
a lot of items passed down by them that he

(01:45:58):
brings with them on hunts, but mainly one of the
things is kind of like a little ring of beads.
But so, no, he doesn't remember past lives, but he's
connected to other people who lived in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
All right, let's move on to another one here. As
we continue on with our audience questions, Jules is asking,
how long does it take you to write an average
length story?

Speaker 7 (01:46:21):
Well, I mean i'm writing, I'm writing books. I'm writing
a book. But if you're talking like an average Sam
White Owl letter, I don't know, a couple of days,
But in terms of hours, I mean, it's it's kind
of hard to judge. But those initial ones, those initial
first Sam White Owl letters, I mean I was cranking
those out like multiple months. I think the first like

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five took place in like a month and a half,
so I was moving, so it could have been it
was probably like a matter of weeks, like a you know,
less than a week first story, but hours, and I
can't really say it, maybe like I don't know, seven eight, Yeah,
And the letters.

Speaker 6 (01:47:01):
Are about an hour long a piece.

Speaker 7 (01:47:05):
They were shorter, but they than they lengthened, as you know,
as I elaborated more, added more detailed.

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
Stuff in.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
All right, let's go over to PARAMIV. Here he is
asking what does Sam white Owl think about black eyed kids, cryptids,
demons or other Let's start with black eyed kids.

Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
That is so funny. So black eyed kids and demons
I actually answered. So if you have listened to the
original swamp Filler videos, I opened up pretty much everyone
with question and answer the question and answer sections Q
and A from the audience, and the audience would ask,
you know, put questions the comments, and I've have some
to answer them. And black eyed kids and demons are

(01:47:48):
actually two of them. So black eyed kids, he does
not know much about them. He didn't even know what
they were. They are, you know, usually thought to be
a form of alien. Alien are not really Sam's thing,
but he thinks they could be out there, you know.
He just doesn't know too much about them. Demons he
doesn't know, but he doesn't think they're real. He thinks

(01:48:11):
they're you know, especially kind of the Judeo Christian sense
that we usually need when we say that term here
in the US.

Speaker 6 (01:48:18):
We're in the West. So he doesn't know about them.
He doesn't think that they're you know, really out there.

Speaker 7 (01:48:22):
But ghosts, you know, a lot of ghostly stuff kind
of gets conflated with demons. And Sam does believe in ghosts.
I too, personally, you know, believe in ghosts. I think
ghosts are very much a thing. I don't think demons
really are a thing. Again, not in that Judeo Christian
sense either, but ghosts are one percent. But you gotta
read the book because you'll you'll get those questions answered

(01:48:43):
in the Q.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
And as we have five minutes ago before we have
to say good night to you, and I'm curious, you know,
for you delving into this different type of entertainment, shall
we say, being an actor, being somebody who is looking
to perform all the time. How have you grown as

(01:49:06):
an artist since you took on this position of writer, dude?

Speaker 7 (01:49:12):
One of the biggest things has just been the amount
of people and feedback. You know, it has been so
like just inspirational and encouraging to kind of see, like
you know what, like not just my friends and family,
but like you know, many many, many other people you
know enjoy my stuff. Yeah, It's that was great.

Speaker 6 (01:49:39):
And then have I grown to also just kind of the.

Speaker 7 (01:49:44):
From the the reactions of people.

Speaker 6 (01:49:49):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:49:49):
It's different because again, when you're writing a book, you're
not necessarily getting you know, feedback from like, you know,
thousands of different people, like with each you know, chapter,
you put out effectively. But that's what was happening with
Sam White. How So learning from what people's feedback was
and what people's reaction was to different things in the

(01:50:09):
letters really kind of allowed me to tailor my approach.
One of the things was people are interested in this stuff,
you know, so like I can actually put out like you.

Speaker 6 (01:50:20):
Know, longer letters with like more information.

Speaker 7 (01:50:23):
And people will you know, will will be will be.

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
Interested in that. You know.

Speaker 7 (01:50:31):
Also to just realizing that again this kind of stuff like,
you know, we live unfortunately, you.

Speaker 6 (01:50:37):
Know, in the capitalist society. We need to make money.

Speaker 7 (01:50:40):
So the fact that this stuff could sell and like
actually be of a viable opportunity for like you know
living at some point which now is happening, you know,
publishing the book. Yeah, that's a that's a good question though, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
How far do you see the Sam White Owl's story going?

Speaker 7 (01:51:02):
Ooh, you know, so it was this was the Ten Letters,
the original and then there were been nine after that,
kind of like season two. I gotta say, man, those
were I think that's kind of about it.

Speaker 6 (01:51:18):
I don't want to you know, I don't want to
overdo it. I don't want to overdo it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:23):
Also, I will say too well, you know what, No,
if I did more, I don't think it would be
Sam because the problem with it is that Sam has
a lot of stories he could tell. But one of
the things that people really like about the stories is
that I covered different cryptids you know, that they've never
heard about, or different locations that they want to learn about.

(01:51:44):
The problem is with Sam, you know, it becomes unrealistic.
He can only do so much, right, you know, you
can only go to so many places or deal with
so many cryptids that at some point it starts to
kind of like push credibility and I'm like making up reasons,
you know that don't make sense for him to go
and do things. So I think Sam's nineteen letters. I

(01:52:06):
think this is just maybe just about it. Unless people
want stories about, you know, different experiences with like the
same cryptids, maybe I could do that.

Speaker 6 (01:52:16):
But if I were to do.

Speaker 7 (01:52:17):
Any other projects kind of in the same White Owl universe.
I don't think it would be Sam. I think it
would have to be it would be me or or
any you know, another Hunter.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Yeah, I'm excited to read it.

Speaker 10 (01:52:32):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:52:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:52:35):
Yeah, Well in the I think swamp Todd Lint now
I'm a Hogay letter, which was in the second season.
I did kind of experiment this. I brought in at
least two other uh Hunter. Yeah, it was Keiko and
Philip Elip.

Speaker 6 (01:52:51):
I brought in.

Speaker 7 (01:52:52):
Their stories as well, So that was kind of like
an interesting experience to get some other stuff, you know,
other Hunters too, So that could be that could be
an avenue and then you know, that would also allow.

Speaker 6 (01:53:03):
You know, covering different regions and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:53:05):
You know, Sam's obviously based in the US or out
of the US, so you know, you know, again, it's
kind of the.

Speaker 6 (01:53:12):
Thing like I got to make up a reason for
him to go to Japan.

Speaker 7 (01:53:14):
I don't know, you know, if that would makes it,
But if I had another Hunter, I could do that,
you know, and I don't have to do my research
on you know, like in Japan because I've never been there.

Speaker 6 (01:53:24):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:53:24):
One of the benefits of traveling so much, knowing about
different cultures and stuff, you know is that like you know,
I know about like different places for Japan.

Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
I'd have to do my research on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
We have just under a minute to go here with
you tonight, and it has been an amazing show with you, Elias,
and I really appreciate you taking the time because I've
loved this story for a long time. And I'll be
honest with you, I'm gonna go listen to it again
tonight because I can't tell everybody where they can find
your website and pre order your book.

Speaker 7 (01:53:58):
Yeah, so if you go on Elias Ramos dot com
just E L I A S R A M O
S dot com websites, there you can learn a little
bit more about me. You can see a picture of
me with Addie, my other dog, and yeah, get information
on the book, my updates about social media there. I'm

(01:54:19):
not a big social media guy, but you can go
Facebook and Blue Sky and yeah, I hope you.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
I hope you pre ordered the book. I think it's
gonna be really good.

Speaker 7 (01:54:29):
You'll have illustrations again the new audiobook bonus.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Letter beautiful, beautiful, Alias Ramos. Everybody coming up next, we
have Swamp Dweller. Then the Wizard is.

Speaker 9 (01:54:43):
Back you're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host
Dave Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Buddy, that was awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:55:05):
Oh, thank you, Dave. I really appreciate I really appreciate
you having me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
Dude, you made you made my night. It flew on by,
didn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:55:14):
It? Did it? Actually?

Speaker 7 (01:55:15):
Kind of I thought I was gonna fall asleep more.
But no, I'm actually like kind of a weak. But yeah, no,
thanks for having me on I I really I do.
I truly appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (01:55:26):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
We'll talk soon, buddy, because I do want to get
that buck. Okay, yes, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:55:32):
For sure, for sure. Absolutely. Oh you know what, and
then I forgot to mention. You know, people in the
chat had questions and stuff they can are well, you know,
I kind of directed some directed them to my website,
but you can actually send me an email. You know,
I've got all my contacts and stuff up there, so
they want to send me an email, you know, I'll answer.
I'll answer questions or find me on Facebook, blues Gay

(01:55:54):
whatever from there. But no, but thank you so much, Dave.
I really appreciate it. You guys were all there and chat.
You can can hear me chat you guys were awesome.
Thank you so much. It was a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Take care of my friend.

Speaker 6 (01:56:07):
But all right, go to in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Here, take care.

Speaker 6 (01:56:11):
Thanks, thank you for having me dame.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Good night, good night. I love that guy. I freaking
love him. He's awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:56:19):
Right back.

Speaker 12 (01:57:07):
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Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
All right, let's bring in our man, the Wizard. There
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Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
How you doing. I'm doing, fantastic day, right on, right on.
Good to see you, buddy, good see you. Sorry, my
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Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
That looks like a lot better. You look gorgeous, gorgeous.
Destiny Rocks. How are you tonight, Nice to see you.
My fingers hurt, my thumb and my ring finger killing
me tonight. I injured them playing a game of sticks
with the mini sticks with my son rocked me. But

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game BB seven six. Big thank you tonight to Blue Cruise,
Jennifer mel wd forty and of course sweeth Holme Morgan
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Speaker 8 (02:02:39):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radios Swamp. I'm swamp dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unno sharing tales of monsters, legends and nightmares.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Welcome to the spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 8 (02:02:59):
I live in a room town in Australia and I'm
used to seeing kangaroos and hares when I walk alone.
This was on a Saturday, and I went for a
walk on this trail that I had found. It was
roughly thirty or forty minutes away from my house. The
trail follows a bike track till you reach a fork
in the path. If you leave, you end up back

(02:03:20):
at the beginning of the way. If you head right,
you follow this very narrow trail. You can barely fit
two people walking side by side on it. So I
continue down this track and usually I hear birds chirping
and just general wildlife noises. Still, I couldn't hear a
single noise but the wind blowing in the trees around

(02:03:41):
me and the crunching of gravel under my shoes. So
I continue my walk for about ten or twenty minutes
when I started to pick up on the leaves crunching
behind me, as if someone was trying to follow me
without being heard. They were trailing me, and I thought
nothing of it at first, so I kept walking for
just time before I heard a massive tree crack. It

(02:04:02):
was as if somebody or something had stepped on a
large tree branch and broke it in half. This caused
me to stop and jump back. As I started scanning
the tree line for whatever made that loud noise, I
noticed I saw a large black figure duck behind a
few trees. They were only about one hundred to two

(02:04:23):
hundred meters away from me. Now I knew this wasn't
a kangaroo by the size of the figure. It's hard
to describe, but I will do my best. It was
like a six foot human, but its arms were abnormally long.
They stretched down from its shoulder to the ground, and
its head was tilted nearly ninety degrees sideways, almost as

(02:04:44):
if it wasn't connected to its body. As I saw
this figure duck behind the thick trees and shrubs, I
stood there staring at where I last saw the figure.
What scared me and is engraved in my mind was
its eyes peeking through the bushes, those dark red eyes
that felt like they were staring into my soul. I

(02:05:05):
felt helpless, I felt like prey. I felt like this
was an apex predator. When I saw this, my whole
body became fearful, while my joints started shaking, and this
eerie fear washed over me as my body ran before
my brain could even comprehend what I had just seen.
As I was sprinting away, I could hear leaves and

(02:05:25):
branches cracking loudly, as if I was getting chased by
something significant and fast, and never looked back. As I
was chased for what seemed like ages, my blood coursing
through my vein to my adrenaline at an all time high.
That's when I heard the most high pitched screeching sound
that I've ever heard in my life. I didn't even
know vocal cords could even remotely make these sounds. I

(02:05:48):
immediately dove behind a big mount of dirt out of
complete fear. I sat there, trying to restrain my breathing
as to not give away my position. I heard the
sound of leaves cracking and coming from the other side
of the dirt mound. I sat there, holding my breath
when I heard this thing bolt past me at such
an incredible speed, but I was shocked that it didn't
catch me earlier. It started getting dark. As I sat

(02:06:11):
there for what seemed like hours, I was waiting for
this thing to return at any moment. Finally, I knew
I had to move or otherwise I would be here
in the pitch black and I would have to use
my pham flashlight to navigate, and with that thing looking around,
I knew I would be a dead man, so I
nervously got up and sprinted back to town. The rest of
the day was seemingly normal, and I have never heard

(02:06:34):
or seen anything like that ever again. But I still
refuse to go down that trail, as I've never been
that fearful for my life. And I'm grateful that I
hid in that fork in the road because I would
not be typing this year today.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
Thank you swamp Dweller for another spooky story. If you
want more just like that, including letters to a cryptid hunter. Anyways,
you could check it on out on swamp Dweller on YouTube.
It's subscribing that about thousands of stories right there for
you to listen to. Hey, it's time for the Wizard.

Speaker 8 (02:07:12):
Um boss.

Speaker 1 (02:07:34):
Josh Retligi is here. Yes, we call them the UFO
Wizard around these parts. How you doing, my friend?

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
I am doing fantastic. I am off work tomorrow. My
daughter and I are going camping a couple of days
of the weekend with a bunch of moof on people,
and I'm hoping we're gonna see some stuff just you know,
a lot of good stuff coming up the next couple
of days for me.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
That is great. Have fun, Thank you, have fun. You know,
it's those moments that are just really special.

Speaker 2 (02:08:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
I was playing a game of mini sticks with my
son before the show tonight, because that's what we do
almost every night. We have a game of mini sticks
hockey on the floor and he beat me with one
second to go. And the really cool part about it
was after the game, he just came up and he

(02:08:27):
gave me a hug. For about five six minutes, we
just sat there having a dad's son hug, and it
was just it was like wow, Like am I a
blessed father or what you know? And you got to
enjoy those moments because unfortunately, there is you know, not
to sound depressive, but there is a last to everything. Yeah,

(02:08:49):
you know, so I'm just taking it in, man, taking
it in.

Speaker 2 (02:08:53):
Yeah. I try not to think about the last everything
instead of thinking about the first everything. You know, very true,
be there for all the first, very true.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
UFO world got a little bit of news this week,
and I'm sure you're going to break it down for us.

Speaker 2 (02:09:10):
YEP. I hope that I'm going to cover the UFO
knows that you're referring to. I'll lead off with just
kind of today. I don't want to spend a lot
of time on it today, but today the Munich airport
has now closed due to drones, and in a press
conference earlier in the in the week, the Danish authorities

(02:09:33):
say that there is no evidence that Moscow is involved
in the recent drones over Europe. So I guess we're
back to UAP. I mean, in that kind of the
stance that everybody took in New Jersey and Pennsylvania and

(02:09:55):
everything when it was going on over here. So I
don't know. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
Part of me says they're saying it's not Moscow to
calm the residents, right, because they don't freak out that
rush is invading their sovereign territory. But part of me

(02:10:16):
is also like, well, maybe it's you know, they truly
don't know what these things are, much like our authorities
didn't know what they were in the Northeast. So I
don't know, It'll be interesting to see where it goes.

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
I'm very torn over these drones because when I think
of drones, I think of humans.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
But I think that I think that drones has become
the a common cultural expression for lights in the sky
that you're not sure if they're airplane like. Uh. In

(02:11:03):
my opinion, before drones, people probably would have called them UFOs.
But now drones gives us gives people a scapegoat, if
you will, that is not culturally charged by using the
term UFO. So I think I think, like I said,

(02:11:26):
I think drone is just the new catch all for
things that we're not sure what they are, and we
don't we collectively as a society don't feel comfortable enough
saying the UAP or UFO term, so drones fills in
the blank. It It just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
I still think this is human made, you know. I mean,
a bunch of UFOs aren't going to just start hovering
over airports for no reason. Now I'm not saying it
hasn't happened in the past. Look at the Chicago ho
hair incident. Okay, that's a pretty big incident right there.
So I'm not saying that it didn't happen. But I

(02:12:10):
think there's a lot of crap going on in the
world right now politically and and with a lot of
nations upset about certain things. And that's what I think
it is. Drones are cheap for the military, and drones
can be very effective, much more effective than a fifty

(02:12:31):
million dollar jet fighter, much more effective than a hundred
thousand dollars missile. Drones are getting the job done. We
see that in a lot of current battlefields right now.

Speaker 2 (02:12:45):
Yeah. I mean when we were in Vegas back, you know,
in May of this year, Shane and I the Magical
Beard as you or whatever the nickname is, the Beard
of the Knowledge, Beard of Knowledge, we were out on
our way from Little Alien to back to the other

(02:13:07):
gate for Area fifty one, and we encountered two Reaper
drones that were flying towards us. They came up over
a mountain ridge, they were flying towards us, and then
all of a sudden they banked really hard and went
back towards Area fifty one. So, yeah, drones are, like
you say, they're more common. They're cheaper to deploy. Cheaper

(02:13:33):
in the sense too, that there's not because there's not
a pilot in the cockpit, there's not a chance for
a loss of you know, human life if something happens
to it. So although apparently according to Borland, you know,
suicide amongst drone operators is apparently a really big issue.

(02:13:57):
So but anyways, but I uh, yeah, I don't know.
I again, I'm not I'm not sold that it's truly
UFO or UAP, but just that I think the general
nature of the term UAP, until we know for sure
what it is, it is unknown. So if we want

(02:14:21):
to put all those unknowns in a bucket that we
feel safe saying by calling them drones, then I think
that's okay. But I don't think anybody should hear that
there are drones flying over Europe and assume that they
are man made, man operated drunes. What gives you an
inclination that these might not be man made the the

(02:14:47):
impunity in which they interact with the airspace that they're
you know, going into. They and this was especially true
in my opinion for the ones that operated in the Northeast.
And maybe that's where my issue lies is that I'm

(02:15:09):
I'm tying these two events as being related in some way,
and maybe that's an incorrect association that I'm making. But
in the case of like the New Jersey ones, a
lot of times they would come from the ocean and
then depart back to the ocean, never never going to
anything that we could identify that they were coming from. Now,

(02:15:31):
the ones in Europe could easily be land launched, be
programmed to fly you know, some pattern or some distance,
and then turn around and fly back. I have also
not spent a lot of time, honestly investigating the drone
sightings in Europe looking at headlines for the most part.
But when I was looking into the ones in from

(02:15:52):
the northeast, they also tend to fly or stay let's say,
stay aloft for a longer times than most batteries on
most you know, drones available at the commercial or personal
level have the ability to do so. If it is military,

(02:16:14):
that's very possible. It would also have to be like
they have sometimes were reported the size of a school bus,
probably to have that much battery capacity on board to
keep them airborne for that period of time. Also, in
the Northeast, they oftentimes flew against the wind, so that
would obviously chew up more battery power, but yet they

(02:16:36):
were still able to stay aloft for a long time.
I also think though in the Northeast, as the topic
became more popular, then you had actual you know, human
people that were going out and flying their drone so
that they could be part of the story. And so
because of that, we got some muddying of the waters

(02:16:58):
between what was potentially UAP or you know, something else
and what was potentially actually a man made drone. Again,
I have not taken the time to investigate all the
sightings and look at the supposed videos of things that
have been captured in Europe and to do that true investigation.

(02:17:20):
So maybe this is not in any way, shape or
form other than it is drones over airspace. That's the
only similarity to the ones in the northeast. Or maybe
it is a stronger similarity and it just is waiting
for somebody to dig into the data.

Speaker 1 (02:17:40):
It's a story that we are going to continue to
follow because we don't know what these are. Yeah, we don't.
I know which way I'm leaning, I know which way
you're leaning. But our opinions really mean nothing until we
find out what's really going on.

Speaker 2 (02:17:56):
Well, and I want to make sure I'm clear, like
I'm not leaning towards the UFO. I'm just leaning towards
because we haven't captured one to be able to name it.
It is by definition unknown, right, so a lot of
times people associate UFO with aliens. That's not what I'm

(02:18:18):
doing here. I'm simply saying it's unknown because we don't
have one. We don't know where it's coming from, we
don't know who's operating it. We didn't we don't even
know what the making model is, serial number we have.
We have nothing about these things that are flying over Europe.
So until we do it is unknown.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
Five minutes ago before we have to go to break
to the bottom of the hour, the UFO Wizard, Josh
Ruttledge is here for the report.

Speaker 2 (02:18:45):
What else you got for us? All right, I think
this will be relatively quick. But Avi Lobe and Ross
Coltheart are having a little beef right now about the
three I Atlas comet or alien craft, whichever it is.
Apparently on Ross's show, he he said that, you know,

(02:19:08):
Alvi Lobe is making a lot of assertions that aren't
grounded in any type of evidence or science, and he
basically says that, you know, he talked to some astronomers
and they said it's behaving like in a mediaor or
a comet would and so that's the end of the story.
Alvy was on another another podcast. I think it was

(02:19:29):
part of a news Nation podcast, and he basically, you know,
clapped back and said that you know, Ross has been
talking about U A P and all this stuff for
two years and the same people who would tell him
that UAP are not real are the ones that he
trusts about three I outlats like that. He points out
the you know, the irony in that. And then he

(02:19:51):
also said that you know, basically Ross is a journalist
and not a scientist, and that he AVI is the
one doing the science and publishing papers about three eye outlets.
So why would Ross take these astronomers' word over A V. Lobes?
So they're kind of beefing right now, back and forth
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:20:10):
I will tell you this. I know a lot of
people criticize Azvi Lobe. Okay, the astrophysicist from Harvard. You
don't get a job at Harvard if you're any sort
of dim wit. Yeah, okay, you don't get a job
at Harvard running an asstro physics department if you have

(02:20:30):
a Dave Scott type education. Okay, you just don't get that.
You know, this guy is brilliant, and it offends me
for him on how many of his fellow scientists get
so cranked up because he says, guys, we can't rule
this out. That's all he's saying. We can't rule it

(02:20:53):
out that it could be a spacecraft. He's already come
out publicly stating that this is a meteor. He believes
it's a meteor, but there are a lot of anomalies
this thing has performed that make it that it might
not be and we got to keep an open mind

(02:21:13):
to that. And I don't see where the problem is
with that, and why so many of his fellow scientists
are just like, oh, there goes Auvi again, thinking aliens,
thinking UFOs.

Speaker 2 (02:21:26):
We don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:21:28):
And just because we get some some sound imaging that
creates a picture from the James Webb telescope doesn't mean
we could actually see what that thing is.

Speaker 2 (02:21:41):
Well. And I think when it flies by Mars, it'll
be close enough that there's like an orbiter over top
of Mars that'll be able to snap some closer photos.
But it's not going to be like an iPhone picture.
You know, you're like, you're you're still not going to
be able to probably tell a lot of detail about it.
One of the other was recently on I can't remember

(02:22:02):
her name. She was on Big Bang Theory. She was
played Amy. Yes he was. He was recently on her
podcast Yes thank you, and his you know like you
just said. His whole thing to her was is that
the point is not that I'm trying to say, and

(02:22:24):
I'm going to paraphrase here that it's aliens. It's that
I'm trying to say that you have to consider it
as a possibility until we know for sure what it is.
And he's like, and that's he's like. And that's, in
my opinion, that's what's wrong with science, is that everybody
jumps to their conclusions before they actually do the investigation

(02:22:45):
of the science to make the determination if what they
think it is is actually what it is, you know.
And that's something that I've been complaining about for a
long time. I think people who are like diehard scientists
that have always been scientists, that science has become in
a way their religion because they are able to go

(02:23:06):
on belief instead of knowledge. They are able to say
they believe something is true, and so therefore they trusted
it is true, as opposed to going through the scientific method.
Form a hypothesis. Do the testing, measure their results, adjust
your opinion, do it all over again, so on and

(02:23:26):
so forth.

Speaker 1 (02:23:28):
So I think go ahead there and sort of add
to cut you off there, to add somebody to that.
They should be excited that it could possibly be something else, right,
they should be excited, you know. I mean, scientists are
about opening up their minds to possibilities that are unbelievable.

(02:23:49):
I mean, let's remember a few hundred years ago, gravity
was unbelievable, right, right, Yeah, Why are we trying to
pigeonhole ourselves as humans when we've done so much with
exploration of this planet and outside of it.

Speaker 2 (02:24:05):
Yeah, and it's it really is a shame. Like you said,
that he's getting so railroaded by the rest of the folks,
his colleagues, if you will, and the profession. I'm just
happy that so far at least, that his position at
Harvard is not at risk. But I think that anybody

(02:24:26):
with you know, two brain cells are up together to
probably figure out and he's just voicing an opinion and
he's not stating in this.

Speaker 1 (02:24:36):
We continue with the UFO Wizard and the UFO Report
after this is spaced out.

Speaker 2 (02:24:41):
Radio and your hosts.

Speaker 13 (02:24:43):
Names Scott all right, we're clear.

Speaker 2 (02:25:10):
Cuckoo. I can't believe how much heat av vi Lobe
takes from that well, I mean it's just like I
mean John mac took a lot of heat when he
was doing his thing with all the UFO experience. I mean,
it's unfortunate that uh, science takes such a hard line

(02:25:31):
against anything that could be beyond our current level of understanding.
Like the way I look at it is like understanding
that there might be a graviton, right, an actual particle
that is that is gravity, right, understanding that is just

(02:25:54):
beyond our current level of understanding, but understanding like anything
that's in theoretical physics or quantum physics, under like growing
as a scientific body to adopt any of those things
as potential of being true, and how they would affect
the physical sciences. That seems like for most of science

(02:26:18):
to be No, it can't happen, Like it's just you know,
it's almost like there's a divide in science where theoretical
science in physical science they don't play nice with each other.
And physical science can't look at anything in theoretical science
and say, how could this apply to my situation or

(02:26:39):
this thing that I'm trying to figure out. They just
want to shuck it out the door and say, no,
that's that's impossible. You theoretical physicists, You go on over
there and sit in the corner, and you know, blah
blah blah. So it just it. It bothers me.

Speaker 8 (02:26:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:26:54):
You know the same thing we talked about, I think
on Monday, where so many people in the UFO community
year closed off to other things. It's true for a
myriad of different industries where people who are in a
specific industry or do a specific task are unable to
think about how something outside of their scope or you know,

(02:27:17):
of of influence may help them or benefit them in
some way in solving some problem they're trying to solve.
You need people to be able to really think, not
just outside of the box, but with the idea that
perhaps the box doesn't exist at all.

Speaker 1 (02:27:39):
That's very true, very true. Hey man, did you are
we going to bring the story up about the NDAA?
Do you have that one? Probably not, then I'll bring
it out. I should bring it up. By the way,

(02:28:04):
for people who are fans of Ascopol's Matt Laslow, we
have him booked as a guest coming up. I believe
where is this wrong month? Hold on, hold on, that's
go to October, please, Dave, we have him booked for.

Speaker 2 (02:28:28):
Where is it here? It's not in here. Let me
just check my text message the NDAA you're referring to
as the National Defense Authorization. Yes, okay, so make sure
I'm looking at the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:28:45):
We have Matt Laslow booked for the sixteenth this month.

Speaker 2 (02:29:15):
H Uh, all right, I've got it here today. I

(02:29:53):
can just work it in. Okay. We had twenty five
seconds fifteen.

Speaker 1 (02:30:14):
Thank you tonight, to you Blue Cruise, Jennifer and mel
wd forty for the super chats. We greatly appreciate your
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(02:30:47):
We're heading for home tonight on spaced Out Radio.

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Speaker 2 (02:30:59):
Hey.

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Speaker 2 (02:31:47):
I mean there's some great stuff though in this proposal
in the National Defense Act. Mainly you're in, like I said,
in the topic of UAP where it has a lot
of provisions in it, so it's got The Unidentified Anomalous

(02:32:07):
Phenomenon Disclosure Act of twenty twenty five is an amendment
that has been proposed for the NDAA for the twenty
twenty six fiscal year. And you know a couple of
things that to highlight, Like it would establish an independent
review Board. The amendment would create a presidentially appointed Senate

(02:32:28):
confirmed Review Board to oversee the collection, review, and public
disclosure of UAP records. It would also presume disclosure, so
all federal UAP records would carry a presumption of immediate
public disclosure. I mean that that's huge.

Speaker 1 (02:32:49):
Mike Rounds came out yesterday because he's part of the
Schumer Rounds Amendment, which is the UFO slash UAP portion
of the budget to try and get more funding for it.
But he came out yesterday basically saying there are a
number of Republicans now not to pick on Republicans, so

(02:33:09):
let's not go hey wire over politics to your people. Okay,
but we also know a lot of Republicans are very
tied to the military industrial juggernaut that we call the complex.
It seems to control this story. And he believes that
this is going to cause friction in trying to get

(02:33:30):
this off the ground, and he doesn't believe it will
pass through the budget or to the budget.

Speaker 2 (02:33:36):
What's your thoughts on that? I mean, I actually agree.
I mean they tried to get it in in twenty
twenty four and it ultimately came out. If you take
them I don't even I don't even know if you
would call this a conspiracy theory at this point. But
if you take the stance or the understanding even that

(02:33:59):
there are people in involved that don't want this information
to come out, then those people for the last seventy
eighty years have been working really hard behind the scenes
to prevent that from happening. So it would stand the

(02:34:21):
reason that they would also take a strong stance to
prevent this amendment from going in to the NDAA. So
I mean, I I applaud you know, the continued interest
in trying to put some teeth behind the effort. But

(02:34:47):
you know, history and precedents tells me that it's going
to get blocked. And you know, I don't know that
it's necessarily a Republican or a Democrat thing. I think
it's just a matter of there are people who are
being influenced by others who want this to remain quiet.

(02:35:11):
And all it takes is a handful to talk to
a handful to talk to a handful, and the next thing,
the next thing, you know, this thing dies just like
it did in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (02:35:23):
And they're expecting it to die again, you know, And
we have to Maybe I'm speaking too forward here when
I say this, but we have to remember that it
doesn't matter which country you're in. There are always politicians

(02:35:43):
who are bought off by the military industrial complex. Okay,
you look at Mike Turner when he was in the
Gang of Eight, and he kept on shooting down the
Schumer Rounds build in twenty three in twenty four, and
he stripped it so much and whitewashed it that there

(02:36:05):
was nothing in there to help promote the UFO stuff.
But then you look at his background is a background
in the in the intelligence, being part of the Senate
Intelligence Committee number one. But more importantly, you look at
who his constituents are and who are they. Well, they're

(02:36:25):
in Ohio right by one of the most elusive bases
in the world, right Patterson Air Force Base, which employees
I believe between fifty and sixty thousand people, and they
are all on defense budget from the military and from
other scientific It's basically the Area fifty one of the
East Coast.

Speaker 2 (02:36:47):
Well, I mean it was the original basically agreed right
so until they decided to start using Area fifty one
for that purpose. If they ever really did, you know,
I don't know. You know, we saw, of course, we
know Bob Blazar said he worked at that other location
near Area fifty one. But part of me also thinks

(02:37:08):
Area fifty one folks just took it and raigan with
it as a distraction from the actual place. Maybe it
never actually left right Patterson.

Speaker 1 (02:37:17):
The bulk of it anyway, so it's not surprising that
that trend has continued in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (02:37:26):
Josh, how about yours same? I mean, we I'm gonna
get the name wrong. Was the President Eisenhower that gave
the speech about warning us about the military industrial complex? Yes?
It was. I think that's right, okay. So I mean
ever since that speech, I mean, essentially his words have

(02:37:47):
come true. You know, the US at least, I don't
know about other countries, but the US at least, the
bulk of the budget goes towards defense spending. And it's
not all you know, it's not all buying you know,
planes and ships and bombs. You know, a lot of
it is I'm sure for a lot of these black

(02:38:08):
budget projects and other things, all within the scope or
realm of defense. So I mean you're right. The the
m i C, if you will, is a big headache
definitely in the US when it comes to the the

(02:38:33):
ability for us to get this information out to make
it available. It's almost like, in my opinion, m i
C is top, economy is second, and then everything else
is kind of below it. Where the m i C
is probably even a big chunk of the global economy.

(02:38:55):
So it's a it's unfortunate that that's the case. And
that's and that's ultimate why I think, like you say,
because of the amount of money that is tied into it,
it will this kind of stuff will ultimately die. I
do think it's really interesting here, and I wanted to
call this out. I don't know if you saw or not,
but two days ago Jay Sands gave an interview on

(02:39:20):
Saucers and Saints podcast, and in that interview he gave
a He gave an account, he retails an account of
a time when he was in the Legacy Program while
he was in the Air Force, and one of his
jobs in the program was to listen in on phone

(02:39:41):
calls and transcribe them. Okay, so he apparently takes he
apparently is listening to a call between someone in the
program and someone else in the program who had interrogated
an Even, And in this conversation back and forth, the
Eban told the interrogator that in fifty to seventy years time,

(02:40:06):
the Evens would return to collect their dead prisoners and
technology and to swap out their emissaries. So, if you
go off of the nineteen ninety four incident in Holloman
Air Force Base and you go out fifty years, that's

(02:40:27):
somewhere around twenty thirty or so. Well, this amendment in
this NDAA, if it goes through, one of the things
is is that UAP records would be publicly disclosed within
twenty five years. So those times seem really interesting if
evans are coming back to collect their stuff, and that

(02:40:50):
happens to line up when times to the time when
UAP reports also have to be disclosed. I mean, is
there something to read into there or is it is it?
Is it coincidental? I don't know. It's just really interesting
that Jay Sands gave that testimony about them coming back,

(02:41:12):
and if you go off of a you know, other
events or even to stretcher to the seventy years, then
that really lines up with the twenty four year time frame.
So I don't know, it's interesting. And that you know,
the even's coming back is not something or it's something
that I've heard before. It's actually a key component of

(02:41:32):
the oh my goodness, going to blank on it, the
Surpo project, Sirpo, is that you know, those were evens
that were left here and humans went with the evens
to their home planet, and that they would be brought
back eventually. In the evens that stayed here would go
back to their home planet.

Speaker 1 (02:41:55):
Are get concerned about timelines. You know, it's amazing how
in the last eight to ten months, all of a sudden,
the twenty twenty seven talk or the twenty thirty five
talk has died right down. You know that we were
going to get aliens on those dates, mark my words.
Some experts, so called experts, were saying that it's happening.

(02:42:18):
Why do you think that talk has died off?

Speaker 2 (02:42:24):
I well, people have people have made predictions about things
happening in a thirtain years for a long time, and
look at you know, no stronomers and folks like them.

Speaker 5 (02:42:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:42:34):
It's the difficulty I think is is that in today,
especially in today's society, when we have such a short
attention span, and we also have let's say, a short
you have a what's that you have a short ramp

(02:42:56):
or whatever that you can walk on before you know,
I can't remember the exact colloquialism, but you know you've
got to short rope or whatever like it's you know,
you don't have a lot of leeway before I'm not
going to trust what you have to say anymore. And
so because of that, when people make these date, you know,
proclamations and they don't come true, and then they when

(02:43:19):
they don't come true, they usually follow it up with, well,
the human race wasn't ready to receive it, or it's
because this person took office, or it's because this war happened,
or like they've always got it out. And I think
that for the most part, people are realizing that no,

(02:43:40):
no prediction ever made that was nailed down to you know,
a month or a year, has ever really come true.
People people will often say when something comes true, they'll say, see,
I told you I was talking to my mom this
one day, and but the person they're talking to can
never corroborate the story. Right. They take, they take, they claim,

(02:44:05):
they claim authority that has not been substantiated after the fact,
and somehow use that to then convince us that they
then have the ability to predict the future into the future.
But when that production doesn't occur, like you said, they've
got some way to get out of it. Well, this
happened or this didn't happen, or you know, the moon

(02:44:26):
was too close to the Earth and this one day,
and we actually had two blood moons this year. We're
only supposed to have one. And this is there's always
a condition of why it didn't happen. But trust me,
you know, it's like all trust me, bro type thing.
You know, trust me, I'll get it right next time.
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:44:43):
I have the same issue with a lot of psychics
where you know what, they're very good at predicting the negative. Oh, man,
like within the next couple of days, you're going to
have something bad happening. Something does, bad does happen. But
every time something positive comes along, it's, oh you got
to wait six, eight months, twelve months before it happens.

(02:45:04):
You're right around the corner, just be patient, you know,
giving you the big bet. And then the day comes,
nothing happens. Well, Mercury was in retrograde and Jupiter was
having an affair with your ainus. You know, I mean,
we have all of this happening, and now you're gonna
have to wait another eight, nine, ten months.

Speaker 2 (02:45:23):
Yeah, the date never gets there. Well, and it's and
I'll tell you that one of the things that from
a statistically speaking, you're going to have. You know, if
you break out all the stuff that happens to you
in your life, it's probably gonna be about equal between
negative perceived as negative perceived as positive. But I also think,

(02:45:48):
just like we talked about I think it was on Monday,
we talked about, you know, the idea that when you
are buying a car and you're thinking about a specific car,
you see that car everywhere, and that might be a
reason why when you see one UFO, you see many,
you know, in succession. The same thing could be true
about something negative. If you're looking, if someone tells you

(02:46:09):
in the next few days you're going to experience something negative,
You're you're psychologically, you're you're fixed on Oh no, something's
negative is gonna happen the next few days. It may
not even be something that if you hadn't known the
information would have affected you in any way, you wouldn't
have thought about it. But because someone told you it
was going to be negative, you then have an experience,

(02:46:31):
and because you're thinking about it, it is more fresh
in your attention span. And what does that do? That
reinforces for you that the person you spoke to is
what they say, they are right. So it's I want
to be careful here because I also am intuitive, but
I won't tell you things like it's going to be
negative where it's going to be positive. My intuition is

(02:46:53):
in like, I feel like you're having a rough time
or a rough go of it right now, and I
like it's to help you peace things out, and I
want to help you the individual, get to the information
you're getting to. I don't want to tell you it.
So I want to be careful that I'm not trying
to say all psychic people are Harlington's and they're all
trying to just get your money and get fame. But

(02:47:16):
I do think that sometimes, whether intentional or accidental, they
have these self fulfilling prophecies because of the way the
human brain works, and all that does is strengthen their
position and cause that person to come back to them
and come back to them and come back to them.

(02:47:37):
And some of these folks charge a lot of money,
and so like, if you're coming back to them and
saying I don't ever have any money and I don't
know where I'm going to get money to buy groceries
this weekend, well maybe the answer is don't spend one
hundred dollars a session with me, and instead take that
money and buy your kids groceries. But no one ever
says that, So it's just that's yeah. I I I've

(02:48:05):
had some conversations with some psychics that have known things
about myself or my family, or my wife or my
kids that were impossible for them to know because they
had no time to research me. It wasn't an appointment

(02:48:26):
that I scheduled days ahead of time where they could
have googled me or whatever it was. I walked into
a bookstore and I sat down with someone, and they
did their thing, and they knew information about me. And
I'm a very like, what's the word I'm looking for,
A strict I like the information that you give me

(02:48:48):
can't just be happenstance. Oh you're I think you grew
up somewhere in the country. That's too vague. You got
to give me more than that. So I'm always very
skeptical until they give me the goods. But sometimes I
have had some come through with the goods. So I
don't want to bottom line, I'm not trying to like
turn all psychics against me. That's not what I'm trying

(02:49:10):
to do. But I think sometimes just because of the
way the human brain works, we get we get into
these self fulfilling prophecies, and so we use that information
or that that situation to substantiate somebody's claims when that
substantiation may not be supported.

Speaker 1 (02:49:35):
It is a good lesson for people out there who
go to intuitives, who go to look for seekers of knowledge,
that be careful with what you're looking for, because you
wanting the message is sometimes all that person needs to
take advantage of you.

Speaker 2 (02:49:54):
That's like, I've done a lot of readings for people
for free. As long as it doesn't take up a
lot of my time, I don't mind doing that because
at the end of the day, that's how I wanted.
I just want to help people figure things out. And
you know, I usually take the stance of you pay
what you can afford, and if you can't afford anything,
that's fine too. I don't want to be taken advantage of.

(02:50:17):
I don't want, you know, some millionaire to come and
get free set from you. But but you know, like
at the end of the day, I just want to
help people figure out what it is they're going through
and what the other side of it looks like or
could look like. What are they trying to do where
you know, where are they trying to get to? But
you're right, there are some people who will take advantage

(02:50:39):
of you, tell you what they think you want to hear,
or even you know, lead you to a place where
you think you want to be. And you feel high
when you walk out of the when you walk out
of their establishment. But then you start thinking about it
and you're like, wait a minute, that's not really that's
not what I went in there for. Or this person

(02:51:01):
told me I should quit nursing schools, So I'm gonna
go quit nursing school and become a I don't know,
cook or something. I don't know, but that the idea
is that, you know, you don't want to just take
whatever somebody gives you and run with it. You want
to take some time, pray on it, think about it,

(02:51:23):
meditate on it. I am actually a firm believer in
gut intuition, and I think everybody has it, and your
gut will tell you what's right if you just listen
to it.

Speaker 1 (02:51:39):
Josh, it's been a great show once again with you
tonight on Spaced Out Radio. It is always a pleasure
to have you as our resident UFO Wizard. Tell everybody
where they can find your podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:51:51):
Yep, you can find all my stuff at our Mystic
journeys dot com. It's oh you are mystic journeys dot com.

Speaker 1 (02:52:00):
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