Oct. 6/25 - Talking with Spirits with Tony Rathman - Spaced Out Radio

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you tonight as we're gonna delve deep into communication with
the paranormal. Tony Rathman is here from Entityvoices dot com
and we're gonna talk about staticcom. We're gonna learn all
about this tonight. I am pumped up about it then
in our number three, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I forgot to pre record swamp dweller. Don't kick me

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in the shins for its soccer fans. Okay, you can
run me through the boards. You can, you know, drop
the gloves with me at center ice. You can hit
a home run off me like Vladimir Guerrero Junior did
on my Yankees the other day. Okay, but don't kick
me in the shins. We'll get to him tomorrow night.
But the UFO Wizard, Josh Ruttledge will be here for

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the entire hour number three. It's going to be a
great show coming in. All right, let's get right to it.
Tony Rathman is an ITC researcher, paranormal investigator, and technology
innovator recognized for pushing the boundaries of spirit communication. With
over a decade and a half of field experience, he
has dedicated his work to designing advanced tools that bridge

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the gap between science and the unexplain. His both significant
and recent method, staticcom three point zero represents a new
era in spirit communication technology, utilizing customized scanning, filtering, and
signal manipulation methods to capture real time spirit responses with

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unprecedented clarity. Through staticcom Tony has not only redefined how
investigators interact with the spirit world, but also set a
new standard for evidence based paranormal research and the possibility
of proving that consciousness can and in fact does, survive death.
I got to learn more about this because when I'm

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doing out at Flight twenty one, we could definitely use
something like this. Tony Rathman, Welcome to spaced Out Radio
for the first time. How are you pleasure to be here?

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Actually this is my second time. It's been a few years,
but we've spoken.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
You know what, You're right, I apologize.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
My No, no apology needed. It's a pleasure to be here, Dave,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Tony. Your love for the paranormal is second to none.
You're very passionate about it. You know, I don't even
know if you have a daytime job, because all you
do is talk paranormal you know, I mean, but you're
obviously a smart guy. You're trying to develop this happening.
How did this love for the paranormal begin for you?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Well, fifteen and a half years ago, there was none.
It was my wife that actually got me started. In
all of this. She took a fascination to the paranormal
shows when they first came out, and she kept saying
to me, come over here, you got to watch this,
You're going to love it. I'd last about two minutes
and I'd look at her and go i would say,

(05:29):
you know, none of this is real, right, this is
just for entertainment purposes, and I'd walk away. Well, then
she tricked me back in twenty ten, on Valentine's Day weekend,
I said, hey, what do you want to do for
Valentine's Day? She goes, I want to do something different.
I said, okay, what do you want to do? She said,
I want to go ghost hunting? And I was like,

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oh kidding me. But I had two choices. I could
take her or have her mad at me until next
Valentine's Day. I didn't want that, so I did a
quick internet search found a hotel in the Phoenix area
that had a reputation for being haunted, and I booked it.
I thought, okay, I'm done, and then I'm thinking, wait

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a minute out of the whole maybe six minutes of shows.
I was sitting there with her, I noticed they were
using equipment. So then I researched that bought her night
vision camera, digital recorder and an EMF meter. I thought, okay,
now we're good to go. So we went for the
weekend and I played along. I knew she found it

(06:33):
fun and exciting, so I took pictures, I asked questions
with the recorders, played along with everything that she wanted
me to do, and then we came home and she
had a blast. So that was all I cared about.
I figured the equipment would sit in the closet until
we sold it or threw it away. But when she
started reviewing the pictures, the video, the audio, it was

(06:57):
the audio that caught my attention to them most. There
were EVPs on the digital recorder. When her and I
were in the basement of this hotel, which technically we
probably shouldn't even have been, but it was like two
in the morning, there was nobody else out. There were
only three other guests in the whole hotel, and none
of them were in the basement, nor was any of

(07:18):
the staff. Yet we were asking questions and she kept
calling me over and she goes, whose voice is this?
They're responding to our questions? Sure enough, they were that
absolutely fascinated me. I for a couple of months, tried
to debunk it. Figured there had to be a reasonable
explanation for it. Couldn't do it. So finally I said,

(07:41):
there were Let's go back. Maybe there was an air
event where voices were coming filtering down through for the
weird things and the pictures. I said, maybe there was
a window in the basement we didn't notice and there
were car lights hitting it, or you know. I was
trying to still find rational explanations. We went back. There
was no vent, there was no window, there were no
strange lighting, and we ended up coming back with even

(08:05):
more evidence. And the voices, again are what blew my mind.
This is how it started fifteen and a half years
ago and has now propelled us into the search to
understand how spirits speak, to clear up what we're hearing,
and to use alternative methods to do that.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
So, before your addiction got started, because that's what it is,
it's an addiction once you actually have something happen right okay,
before it started, were you a believer in life after death?
Were you a believer that there was something more out
there that you were drawn to, or were you pretty agnostic?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I believed it from religious teachings when I was a kid.
I mean, I attended Sunday School, I was in the
church choir. So yeah, I probably believed there or I didn't.
Probably I did believe there was an afterlife, but I
didn't think it was an everyday occurrence, Meaning that they're

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around a heck of a lot more than we think
they are. They have knowledge way beyond what we think
they do, and they can interpret information to a level
that I didn't even know was possible. So it's not
that I didn't believe that there was an afterlife and
that you probably did survive death. Not only has my

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belief strengthened to a level that is unprecedented today, but
it has literally changed my thought process, my belief in
what life here on earth is and what life is
in the afterlife, to a degree that I never thought
possible fifteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well define that for us. What do you believe now?

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Okay? Well, I usually use this as an example, but
when we started ghost hunting, I was looking for a
spirit and I wanted to prove that this thing could speak,
could communicate, And my one intention was to get the
clearest vocal capture from a disembodied human or spirit that

(10:24):
I could catch. And a friend of mine, Rick McCollum,
used to always say this, and it really didn't sink
in until probably five six years ago, but he always
to say, I went out searching for spirits, but the
one I found was my own. And that has so
much more meaning to me today because it's not just
about this spirit floating around somewhere and you're trying to

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catch them talking. It's about consciousness. It's about who we are,
embodied in human form, what happens to us after And
people always say, well, you know, does consciousness go with you? No,
we are consciousness. That's you moving on. All that's happening
is you're leaving a vessel or a body behind, but

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the actual you continues. You are consciousness, and so it's
just it let us down a path of what's called
analytic idealism, which talks about the fact that human consciousness
is the ontological primitive of life, meaning it's there before,
it's a fractual portion of it while you're alive on

(11:33):
this planet, and then it returns back to universal consciousness
when you pass away.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
That sounds like a very scientific kind of answer. I'm curious,
what is your educational background to be playing with all
of this technology and learning all of this.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Sure, a great question. I have a degree in philosophy,
so that's where the thinking aspect comes from. My father
was a physics professor for forty six years. So growing
up everything I asked, every question, all scientific answers, all materialistic,
science based. And then somewhere in the middle of high school,

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I started working in electronic shops, fixing TVs, radios, anything
anybody brought in of an electronic nature that didn't work properly.
So all three of those kind of got combined. And
now we're sitting on a new communication method that seems
to be blowing boundaries away with what we believed to

(12:37):
be disembodied consciousness.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
If you were to look internally within yourself, Tony, and
I'm asking this because you know there are people listening
out there who may not be believers of the paradormal
or any of these crazy subjects that we talk about. Correct,
what would be your best piece of advice, going from

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skeptic to now full on believer. What would be your
advice to those people who questioned whether or not this
is some sort of alternate reality that we live.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
In I guess, if I had to make a statement,
is that life is full of more variables than we
have any idea. And if we think, even through the
hundreds of years of science, materialistic science, if you think
we know everything that occurs, everything that happens, we're wrong.

(13:35):
Science is an evolving media. They change direction as information
changes and they learn more. And when you hit the
paranormal side, we don't even know the variables, which is
why you know, working on something like statacom is so different.
Because science thinks we're absolutely crazy, because they think that

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when the brain dies, the body dies, you're gone. There
is nothing else after that. Religion thinks you're talking to demons.
Skeptics think you've lost your mind, and even believers probably
don't like you because you haven't told them every aspect
of how it works and how to do it. So,
you know, it's a tough struggle to go through something this.

(14:17):
My advice is somebody who doesn't believe give it time.
You know, try doing a little research on your own EVPs,
go out to some locations, go with other people that
are already doing it. See what happens. See if you
experience something you may not it doesn't happen on a
regular basis. But the bottom line is a lot of

(14:39):
people are I need to see it to believe it. Well,
then go take a look and see what you see.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
And realistically, you got to put yourself in that experience
or in that zone to gain and experience. It's not
something you know that that just happens just because you're
sitting around. I think a lot of skeptical people don't
do it. Like if I look at my father, I'm
going to use my father as an example. You know,

(15:08):
five years ago, he didn't believe in squad. He wouldn't
even want to talk about my radio show, okay. And
then it was shortly after my mom passed away two
years ago that all of a sudden he started asking
me questions. He all of a sudden. You know, he's
one of these old timers who still watches the news

(15:29):
at six o'clock, and all of a sudden, he started
seeing these stories about UFOs and then, you know, and
I remember him asking me, this was only about six
seven months ago. He's like, what's with all this UFO
talk going on on the news. I saw something on
the news and they had these videos, and we went
on about it, and then we started talking about cryptids,

(15:53):
and I actually took him to one of my sights
and he's like, I just I want to have one.
I want to say see that I've I've actually, you know,
say that I've seen something. And be damned if we
didn't find like a fifteen inch print in the moss,
right exactly. And he was just blown away by this.

(16:16):
But it took him a long time. And I think
my mother's passing in hopes that he could see her again,
that maybe woke him up a little bit. At seventy
six years old or seventy five years old at the time,
right right. And and I look at that as, you know,
somebody who's gone from a real five senses kind of

(16:38):
guy to saying, well, jeez, maybe there is something more
out there that I don't know about. My kid isn't crazy,
you know? So how do you deal with with those
types of people who are so set in their ways
that they're making armchair decisions on what is right and
what is wrong when all you have to say to
them is come with me, let me show you what

(17:01):
an experience is. I will let you pick out the
voice recorder. I will let you pick out the recording
device or the or the little you know, a little
chip that you stick in your trail cam or whatever
it is. You pick it out, you do whatever you want.
How do you deal with that?

Speaker 4 (17:22):
You know, we gave up trying to change somebody or
their way of thinking a long time ago because you're
not going to do it. So everything we've done since
then is only to capture everything we can capture, and
we'll share it and show people what they do with it.

(17:45):
After that, we allow that for them to make their
own choices. Why do we do that because we also
believe that you know, everybody who's going through their lifetime
are at different levels of accept and understanding on different topics,
different scenario, having different experiences, some experiencing things, some not,

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and maybe that's the path they're meant to go down.
So trying to force somebody to do it now, we've
had lots of people all say, oh, I'd love to
try that, and have tried it, have used staticom and
just been blown away. But until somebody's ready for it,
I mean, you have people who are so skeptic that
you know they could be out looking for bigfoot, lose

(18:33):
their car keys and have Bigfoot turn around and hand
them their car keys, and they still wouldn't believe it
because that's their mindset. And you're never going to change
somebody of their particular mindset, nor do we plan to.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I think that's a good attitude to have, and it's
not being a jerk, but that's the reality of it
all because in the end, you're doing this for yourself,
you're doing it for fun, You're doing it to enjoy
something different. And how much enjoyment do you get from
this type of communication?

Speaker 4 (19:07):
A ton? Because we're when when we get to the
point in the show where people can understand what kind
of communication we're talking about. It's one of the most
advanced systems out there, and we're talking communication similar not exactly,
but similar to the conversation you and I are having

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right now.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
See, that's absolutely incredible. I mean to think that we're
able to do that is pretty phenomenal. Nonetheless, how you know,
we're going to get into the in the next half hour,
We're going to get into the technology behind staticom and
what it's all about. Because I do want our team
to learn about our listeners rather to learn about this

(19:53):
Why is this subject important to bring to the public
for your sake. What is the message here?

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Well, there are so many messages all wrapped into one.
I mean, when you talk about losing a loved one,
whether that be a spouse or a child or even
a parent, you know there's emotional grief that just overwhelms
some people that they never shake it the rest of

(20:22):
their life. When you can hear a message and have
that person say, hey, you know, I know I'm not there.
I know it feels like a loss, but I'm still around.
You will see me again, that can help with that
loss tremendously. When you can get information for things that

(20:42):
you don't know the answers to that have occurred. Can
It's be used for things like cold cases where police
or FBI have come to a complete dead end and
don't have additional information to follow up on. I mean,
they do use mediums today, and I have nothing against mediums.
We believe that staticicom works in a similar fashion of

(21:06):
receiving information. It's just vocalized. Whereas a medium has to
turn around and be a third party interpreter from whatever
message or information they're getting, they have to interpret it
and then hopefully transcribe that information back to you correctly. Well,

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staticom takes out that third party interpreter. You hear it directly.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Have you ever used this machine, as we got about
two minutes to go to communicate with anything besides ghosts, like,
could you use it to communicate with et contact? Could
you use it to communicate with cryptids?

Speaker 4 (21:50):
My personal opinion is yes. But because it's vocal only,
we don't have imagery, we can't see it, we don't
have a spirit calling id. The best we can do
is go off of what they're saying and how they're
saying it, because that's usually English, although we've gotten Japanese
to galig and the other languages my wife speaks. If

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it's English and I'm understanding the English, I don't know
that they're not human spirit. If it's an extraterrestrial that
knows how to speak English, how would I know? And
then people ask that all the time, how do you
know who you're speaking to? The bottom line is we don't.
We have no way yet to prove that.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
So you know, in the spirit realm it is, it
is a wonder on who you're communicating with. I mean,
that's that's the big one. I mean, there's a lot
of trickster spirits out there. I mean we see it
all the time with people who use weijaboards. Yep, Okay,
you know, we don't know if we're getting you know,
Grandma Mabel, or if we're getting something a little bit

(22:58):
more dastardly that's trying I kind of infringe on our
personal feelings and hope you know. So, how do you
make that distinction?

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Well, you know, there's always has to be a level
of protection when you're doing anything within the unknown or
the paranormal. Do we ever let that down? No, we don't.
But over the years, and like I said, we've been
doing this now for over fifteen years, you do build relationships,
you do build trust, and I mean we've actually we've

(23:31):
actually taken answers, been able to research them, and about
ninety seven percent at least from the ones that we trust,
come back ninety seven percent accurate. That's pretty good odds.
If you ask me about getting information, being able to
research it, look it up and verify that what you
were given was correct. Can we do that for every

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single one?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
No?

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Can we even research or verify every single one?

Speaker 3 (23:58):
No?

Speaker 4 (23:58):
It depends on what we're talking about or what information
they gave, but it is something you always have to
be aware of and be cautious of.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I like that answer, my friend. We are going to
go to break here at the bottom of the hour
and we're gonna have some fun. Next from Entityvoices dot Com,
we have Tony Rathman. We're gonna learn about staticom. How
has this improved communication with those who have passed before us.

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It's kind of an interesting topic leading into the month
of Halloween, isn't it. This is spaced out radio. We'll
be right back. All right, we are clear, Nika, Welcome

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to sour Chat. Thank you for joining us. Don't forget
to subscribe ring that belt if you are new here, Tony,
let me unmute you here there we are, and thank
you paramr for putting up all of Tony's links.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
We appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
You know. Paramarv's a real trooper for us.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Mm hmmm. Is there any way you could resend me
that email? Please?

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Probably not with an amount of time. I think I
sent eight or nine clips. It would take me twenty
minutes to get those.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Okay, let me try.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
I can play them if you allow me to share
the screen.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, let's do it that way then, all right, let's
do it that way. Yeah, so just as a reminder
for our radio audience, let's just make sure we break
it on down of what we are what we are
doing for them. Okay, okay, and that'll be that'll be
great and kind of go from there and yeah, what

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a great start to the show. Thank you again, Tony
for doing this.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Oh no, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Hi, PAULI, how are you? We'll get to questions in
hour two, but if you want to put your questions
in for hour two, make sure you put them in
capital letters, please fast, Hemmy, how are you doing? I

(26:43):
would love to see what you could get with your
stuff at my spot man.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
We have, we've gotten some amazing stuff. Matter of fact,
we made this now so it can be used remotely
online because you don't have to be there. The spirits
are have a non locality. They can answer from anywhere.
So we were doing another one overseas again in Europe
coming up this weekend. We did one last Saturday, same

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in Europe and it worked amazing.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
What's your tech look like? Is it all on computer
or do you have like a ghost box that you've amplified.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
No, it's it's a combination of lots of things, but
it uses purely white noise. White noise generator through massive
filtration systems. But no word banks, no internet, no voice,
no AI generated voice, nothing. It's just white noise, pure
white noise.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
And you can project that at any site in the world.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
I don't need to they when they answer, when they respond,
even if they're over in Europe, will come through Statacom
with the way the signals sent.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Is there any chance, I know this is really last minute?
Is there any chance of doing this live?

Speaker 3 (28:04):
No.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
It takes three computers to run it live. It took
us over four months to get it to work. It
can be done, but there's no way I could do
it during the time. Right tonight if you give me
future notice, absolutely it ken.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Gosh darn man, do this Halloween night.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
I will be in Nova Scotia.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I know you will be. I would love to test
out my site on there.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
That would be cool.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
My site that I have, which is smaller than a
football field, is probably I like to call it my
version of Skinwalker Ranch. Oh very cool. Yeah, shit, we
got going on there.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
We actually granted at skin Walker, but the power didn't
wasn't sufficient enough to run it, so it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Hi, Margaret Oliver, how are you? Yeah, my area though
there there's no power out there.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
No there is. We actually weren't where we were just
outside the fence line running it. Yeah, so we were
using external power sources.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, you'd need a generator for my place because I'm
right in the middle of the forest.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Oh yeah yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
There's not even cell phone service there, but it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
So one of those one of those generator batteri is
one of those giant thousand watt that'll.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
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(31:22):
Tony Rathman here and we're going to learn about one
of his inventions called Statcom. It is said to be
one of those communication devices that is really trying hard
to really decipher what is being said on the other side.
I'm sure I did not give a good enough description
of that, Tony, But welcome back and tell us about Statacom.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Pleasure to be back. And yeah, so let me give
you a little understanding of how Statacom was developed. So well,
four years ago we had some partners that we were
working with and they had gone through history to look
at the ITC pioneers, What did they do, what type

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of equipment were they using, what worked, what was considered
to be faked or not legit? And when going through
all of them, there was a European method called direct
radio voice. Now how did direct radio voice differ from

(32:29):
a spirit box? Well, a spirit box, which was designed
by Frank Sumption, literally scanned AMRFM radio up and down
the dial, and his theory was that spirits would manipulate
the fragments of audio that come through and that they
would turn it into their own sentences. Well, DRV didn't scan.

(32:56):
It sat on a vacant frequency between states, so you
didn't hear any stations. You only heard white noise or static.
We started with DRV, then we, through various reasons, we

(33:16):
realized we needed to remove the radio. Why while one
because anybody of from academia or from a skeptic side
would say, wait, you're telling me you're getting voices from
the other side, but you're using a radio. Tell me
how that works. How do you decipher reception from d's deception?

(33:40):
How can you tell me which ones are spirits and
which ones are stray radio waves? And that's a very
good point. Whether you're talking a spirit box or direct
radio voice because it used a radio. The second complaint
was that you are thinking you're hearing speech, but you're

(34:02):
only hearing warbles and artifacts of sound, and your brain,
through pattern recognition, is trying to make sense of it
and is trying to come up with meaning of what
it's hearing and put words into association with whatever sounds
might be coming through. So the two complaints were that
a you're using a radio and claiming you're getting speech,

(34:24):
and the other ones was it's not speech, it's warbles
and artifacts of sound. So we knew we had to
avoid both of those. So first step in moving from
DRV to regular staticcom was to remove the radio. The
second was to clear the speech. Clear it so that

(34:45):
the majority of people that heard it all heard the
same thing and no one was guessing did they say rain?
Did they say train? But that even happens with regular
speech when people are talking to each other. You might
hear a word wrong, right, So but that doesn't mean

(35:05):
it wasn't speech. It just means you misheard it. But
it's still communication and that's got to be kept in mind.
But DRV was the first method we use DRV was
the first response we got that caught our attention. We went,
wait a minute, what, And then all the other versions

(35:28):
static coom, static COOM two point zero, and now static
coom three point zero are how this system progressed. But
we did a couple of things when we removed the radio.
We went to a white noise generator. It's every sound
from twenty hurts to twenty killer hurts at a spectral

(35:50):
frequency of one, meaning every sound at every hurtz is
the same level, meaning nothing's louder than anything else. And
when you combine all those sounds together, that's what gives
you that sh sound of white noise. White noise generator
can also cannot pick up radio, cannot pick up walkie talkies,

(36:14):
baby monitors, satellite waves. It doesn't have the ability or
the circuitry to take those waves and transform them into
either speech or music. So we cut out the whole
stray radio concern, and we tried to clear the speech

(36:34):
to a point where people weren't arguing about what was said,
but instead agreed that they all heard the same thing.
So removing that low hanging fruit that itc was so
picked on for.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
So basically what you're doing on an audio trade because
I know a little bit about audio work and radio.
You're segregating the speech lines kind so to put it
in the in the public perspective, if you're on YouTube
and you hear, say a song where they've taken away
the guitar, they've taken away the bass, they've taken away
the drum, and all you're hearing is the singer. That's

(37:17):
what you're doing, is you're is you're taking away the
other aspects of the audio to create one specific channel
of what you're hearing on the white.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Noise actually more of the opposite. Really, we are adding
every frequency the human ear can hear into it. So
that is the process called stochastic resonance. What stochastic residence
does is it uses white noise to take a signal

(37:55):
that can't be heard by the human ear or detectable
by a set answer, and stochastic residence raises that signal
to the point where it can be heard by the
human ear or picked up by a sensor. So we've
actually used white noise and through the physics principle of

(38:17):
stochastic residence, to take a sound that is outside of
our human hearing or even a sensor for that matter,
because the electronics couldn't even pick it up until the
white noise was added. So what we think happens is
when the spirit speaks, they overlap a handful of those
frequencies in those hundreds of thousands of them, and then

(38:43):
it overlaps it. So what happens then is it elevates
that voice up, but the white noise we've added to
cause that elevation in the speech does not raise because
it has a spectral frequency of one. It stays at
the same level. So then at the end of it,
once the voice is elevated, we cut the white noise

(39:06):
out because we know at the level of which it is,
leaving only the voice.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Oh okay, so you're adding it and then taking it away.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
We're taking it away at the end, so we don't
have that spirit box noise where you're trying to hear
bits and fragments of radio the white noise and make
out what the spirits say.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
So how many different channels are you running in order
to do this? Just one?

Speaker 4 (39:37):
But it's using every frequency in human hearing. And why
do we do that? Because people always ask, okay, well,
what's what's their frequency range where do they speak at
Their words in a single sentence can be all over
the board.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Okay, I need I need to just like this is
blowing my mind a little bit here, tony. Okay, so
let me let me ask you this then, sure, how
did you come up with this? How did you figure
this out?

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Well, the use of white noise was used in electronic
voice phenomena or EVP to elevate their voice on the recorder.
Famous recorder is being used even today, Like the DR
sixty has an internal noise of the mechanics as well
as a small defect in the microphone which creates that

(40:33):
white noise sound within the machine, which is why we
believe it works better at least by investigators claiming that
a DR sixty will get the best EVPs you've ever had.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
It.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Also, white noise is a natural phenomena in the environment,
and I'm not sure if you're familiar with a technique
called direct voice. In fifteen years, I've experienced it maybe
three or four times. But it's when a spirit can
speak and you can hear them speak with your own ear.

(41:07):
So that's got to be through the natural ambience of
white noise in the environment. So we took and direct
radio voice used the same thing. But that's why it
sat on a vacant frequency, not one with a radio
signal coming through, but in between them with just white noise.

(41:29):
So we basically took staticicom and created the perfect environment
through electronics for them to speak.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
May I please just add a personal question on this,
if you don't mind, absolutely, in my area of investigation,
we are using if we use a ghost box, say
in the Estes method, we are using avis Islee a
little SB seven, right, okay, where the volume absolutely sucks

(42:05):
on that thing. It's terrible, right, okay, literally, So for
people wondering when ne SB seven is, it's a little
you know, rectangular box that's you can scan either an
AM or FM frequency and you're listening for noise because
it's it's it's going through the frequency from FM from

(42:25):
eighty eight point one all the way to one oh
seven point nine, and all you hear is is with
white noise in behind it, and same on the AM
dial as well. So my question to you about this
is this in my area, because I live in the
middle of nowhere, radio frequency is extremely hard to pick up, right, okay,

(42:51):
So even though my town has two radio stations. We
are not picked at one AM one FM where we
are twenty five miles into the forest, thirty miles into
the forest. The signal doesn't travel that far. So when
we are doing an EVP session or an estes method
session with the ghost box, we aren't getting any FM

(43:13):
or AM signal. So my question to you is, how
is that different when you're in an area where there
is zero zero interference from radio station radio waves compared
to what you would happen, say, if you were to
use that in the city or a town that has

(43:35):
stronger radio waves.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Well, the first difference is in the signal of white
noise that you're getting. There is some physics principles involved
with applying that white noise at specific levels, knowing what
level you're shooting for and the system you're using and
the thermo dynamics involved with it. So you're using just

(44:00):
a straight linear system where if you turn up the
volume on your SB seven, you're also increasing at the
same level the white noise involved in the scanning on
the SP seven, even if there's no radio station. So
the difference is I don't want to go into too

(44:24):
far into it, but The other thing, though, is that
you're basically back to a DRV system if there is
no signal coming through and it's only white noise, and
does that work? It does. It's not ideal or optimal,
but it does work.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
So interesting out of I know you're going to play
in the next half hour, you're gonna play a some EVPs. Okay,
verbally though, through your voice? What what's the the greatest
one you think you've ever heard?

Speaker 4 (45:03):
That would be? That would be really hard to answer.
I mean, when I spoke to my grandfather who passed
away when I was thirteen, for seven and a half minutes,
would I consider that one the best? What I consider
the best one? When my wife spoke to her mother,
who died of COVID four years ago. What I consider

(45:25):
the one where I asked, if I'm human and I'm
using my vocal cords to speak and they're not human
anymore and not in human body, how do you hear
me speak if they don't have ears? And we're going
to play that clip tonight, so I'm not going to
tell you what they said. I'll wait till we play that.

(45:47):
But there isn't a response we've gotten that hasn't made
us go oh my gosh. Or how about the time
when I had it running and my wife came up
to me and she said, something is wrong. I don't
feel good, I'm in pain and statacom was running. So
I said, spirits, is my wife getting ill? And they

(46:09):
said yes, and I said what should she take? Then
this word came through and I didn't know the word,
so I didn't react. The word they said was perkadan.
And when I looked up what perkadan was, it's a
prescription strength pain reliever, a combination of oxycodone and aspirin.

(46:31):
I didn't even know what it was. But would that
have actually probably solved the stomach pain she was complaining about? Yeah,
probably would I didn't even know what the word meant.
Oh wow, And I mean I could just keep going.
I mean, they they're just one after another after another.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Where do you think these spirits or these voices are
coming from.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Consciousness? And that's also how they're getting they're getting the answer.
So that one of the questions we are still trying
to figure out is whether they can physically see us.
Now they say they can, and you'll hear that on clips,
but whether they can or not. We haven't fully determined yet.

(47:23):
What we believe is happening is that if all human
beings on Earth are all part of what we call
universal consciousness. And I saw somebody in the in the
chat room before I say, oh wait, he's he's talking
about analytic idealism or Bernardo Castrop. Well, that's actually absolutely correct.

(47:45):
Analytic idealism has been one of the forefronts which is
now transitioned from you know, materialistic science to quantum physics
to now what they're calling quantum consciousness, and analytic idealism
puts consciousness at the primitive of life or the non

(48:06):
deductible portion of life or non deducible portion of life.
Consciousness is coming into play in science in every aspect
of everything that we do as human consciousness evolves and
we all grow and realize that we're treating all everybody
else on the planet wrong and inappropriately because we're all

(48:30):
the same. But back to your question, you know it,
it's all about the fact that consciousness. If I'm asking them, hey,
what color is my shirt? And I ask that question
and I'm not broadcasting my voice, so they're hearing it

(48:53):
just from me speaking in my normal tone of voice,
but yet answering with timing and relevance and intelligence, and
they say black. The question is could they really see
that my shirt is black? Or are they getting it
from me asking the question? And then mentally the answer
automatically comes into my mind when I say what color

(49:15):
is my shirt? The next thing in my mind is black,
because I know what color it is, and we believe
that they are blocking that information from my individual consciousness
back to universal consciousness, which we all return to when
the three D world is over.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Consciousness is a very large word. You know, it's starting
to get thrown out there a lot more in our field.
You know, aliens are consciousness ghosts or consciousness. Communication with
cryptids like sasquatch or dog man seems to be coming
from consciousness, and you know, telepathy it is. It is

(50:03):
a little bit of a mind meld where we seem
to be putting a lot into that that word consciousness.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Obviously, when science can't explain it or can't even study it,
then that tells us that it is an irreducible principle
that needs to be taking seriously and would affect every
portion of life on this planet on any other planet.

(50:35):
It would be the foundation for creating the entire universe
and every other universe and everything that exists in it,
So that understanding that it should be applied to almost everything,
at least as far as you're talking about life forms
and living beings. It would be the underlying principle for

(51:03):
all of it.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
How do we know if we are you know, let
me rephrase that I got a big problem, and I
know many in the paranormal world have a big problem
with these these apps that are coming out saying you
know that these are reinventing ghosts. Honey, you don't need
to buy all the gear, just buy our ten dollars

(51:29):
a month app, okay, And they only hold so many words.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
About six thousand.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, five to six thousand and I I've tested out
a couple just to see if if I wasted money
or not, and I can I can tell people point
blank right now, out of about the five or six
apps that I have personally tested, I find that they
are all a giant hoax. I wouldn't waste my money

(51:59):
on a go stab no offense. You may disagree, and
but that's just my opinion of trying them out.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Completely agree and.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Thank you and does your computer program have built in
words for these voices to choose from.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Nope, no words, no AI generated speech, no radio wave,
no satellite wave, no Internet connection. It is a closed
circuit system. It uses a white noise generator. It the
white noise sound is then put into the computer. It

(52:43):
is filtered by things like noise reduction, frequency adjustment. And
the biggest one that we did was because we noticed
the voice is coming through so fast because of the

(53:03):
frequency difference between spirits, consciousness, entity, whatever words you want
to use and our frequency, that it would come through
so fast, faster than any human vocal track could ever
say the words, but so fast that the human mind
couldn't even decipher the words. We took white noise and

(53:29):
we slowed it down in real time to fifty percent
of its value, allowing us to slow the speech pattern
down that we were receiving. Statacom also does everything you
would do to EVP, which was record and review. After
you got it back home, you would load it to

(53:52):
your computer. You might amplify it, you might try to
take out background noise. You might speed it up, slow
it down. Reverse. At STATICICOM, we don't have to reverse.
We've never run into that yet, but we do slow
it down at fifty percent all the time. It does
all of that live in real time, allowing two way communication.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Well, in the next half hour of this show, you're
going to play some EVPs for us. EVPs for people
who may not know stands for electronic voice phenomena and
you're gonna show us this communication on how this works.
I so am looking forward to this and thank you
for doing that, Tony. Tony Rathman is with Statacom. His

(54:40):
website entity voices dot com. Make sure you check it
on out. We have Tony for another hour on spaced
Out Radio.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
This is spaced Out Radio with Hopes Dave Scott.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
Hmm hmm.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
All right, Tony, we are clear. We got just over
six minutes. I'm gonna put you in the green room
and uh and we will be able to uh come
right back here in a minute. Okay, okay, all right,
be right back everybody, m hm.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Usus h.

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(01:02:33):
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Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Being here, my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
This is so much fun tonight, and I know our
audience is starting to get a little geared up for
these EVPs that you're going to bring in for us.
I want to ask you prior to doing that, for
our audience who may not know what an EVP is,
please explain.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
It, okay. EVP stands for electronic voice phenomenon. EVP was
the original term used for any spirit communication until about
the late sixties or early seventies, when a physicist by
the name of Ernst Sinkowski said, wait, we need a

(01:03:13):
term for something different from EVP, where EVP is recorded
and review. We need a term for something that's more
two way communication, and he brought in the term ITC
or instrumental trans communication. Now EVP is technically a form
of ITC, because all ITC means is that you're using

(01:03:37):
a third party mechanical electronical way of transmitting their voice
into a form that you can hear with our human senses.
So all ITC uses third party electronics to capture that voice.

(01:03:58):
EVP just record, you can play it back later. ITC
is live where you can hear the answer right then,
and they are at the location you're using it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
How does it come out where you can where you
can actually hear the voices?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Is it for people who may not know? I know
what it is, so I'm asking a question that I
already know the answer to. But for those who may
not know, is it in real time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
In regards to ITC or in staticom?

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yes, that's incredible, absolutely incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Now EVP there can be delays. Some people will leave
a ten second delay after asking their questions. I've seen
people wait as long as a minute or two to
have an answer show up. So is that still real time? Yeah?
But you know, the whole thing about time space that's

(01:05:03):
all a human construct. That we're on this linear timeline
and the past is behind you, the futures ahead of you,
and the now is what's happening now? Well, what happens
ten seconds from now? Is that no longer than now?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
So the whole concept of time and space we think
on the other side of the veil is nonexistent. If
life is eternal, if consciousness is internal or spirit or
whatever term you want to use, then time has no meaning.
And people will say, well, did you ever ask them

(01:05:42):
where they're at? Tell us where they're at? Okay, great question.
Here's the problem. If time is a human construct and
I say to you, Dave, do you like ice cream?
And you say yeah, I love ice cream? And I say, okay, Well,
without using time, tell me when you had your last
ice cream, It's an impossibility. You can't say two hours ago,

(01:06:04):
you can't say yesterday, you can't see say last week.
That's all time human construct.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Ohe with you?

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
On that something as simple as where are you at?
When we don't believe they're they're of non locality, meaning
they can be anywhere, anywhere at the blink of an
eye or a thought. Where are you is an impossible
And we've asked that question and they said, you wouldn't understand.

(01:06:33):
That was what they replied. We can't explain that you
wouldn't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
It's weird how they don't say heaven or hell.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
That's never come up, but again through religious teaching. That
I'm not saying religious religion is wrong. All I'm saying
is religion applies it to a location. Could Heaven or
Hell be right next to us? Is it just the
mental state or the emotional trauma or whatever the portion

(01:07:09):
of consciousness or spirit is going through at that time?
Is it actually a physical location? My response to that
is no, you could be in what's considered to be
heaven or Hell anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
That would make sense, you know, I mean, I'm trying
to think of a response to that, but it just
makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Let me let me ask you this though, before we
head to your EVPs, because I do want to get
to them pretty quickly here. Sure, what if we're communicating
with a different timeline, a different dimension that's rolling at
the same time. But say say a timeline from ninety
years ago or one hundred and sixty years ago. Could
that be a frequency you're picking up?

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
It can be, but again you're talking about frequency, which
is a measure of time oscillations per minute causing different frequencies.
The problem is is that our language, because of how
we were taught in what we were, what we learned
through materialistic science, literally holds us against ourselves in understanding

(01:08:26):
something that doesn't follow the same phenomena, Like something as
simple as as I said, Hey Dave, what's this and
you're like, it's a fist. Okay, Yeah, there's not anyone you, I,
or anyone in the audience that's gonna disagree. This is
a fist. Where to go? You know, it's not it's

(01:08:49):
not a thing. It's an action. It's a doing of
a behavior, not a physical thing, which we believe most
of and even you know, quantum physics is now saying
the same thing. Atoms aren't things. There's states that appear
under observation of it and the observation of human consciousness

(01:09:14):
observing it is what creates it. It's not like that
all the time until observed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
So while you're setting this up and getting ready to
play some of these, are we sure that we're not
just hearing what we want to hear?

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Well, i'll let you decide that when you hear the
first one. And secondly, we wanted to make sure that
we weren't. There wasn't an explanation that we were missing,
so we took the system to a PhD electrical engineer

(01:09:54):
and scientists. I'm not going to say it's university, but
he said, you know what, I'll review it, but I
will not review any voices. I don't want anything to
do with the paranormal. I'm going to look at it
from your electronic standpoint only. He reviewed the whole system.
He said, I'm going to break this into two sections,

(01:10:15):
Sections A and section B. Everything else is section B,
and I have no problem with any of that, he said.
Section A, we're going to put your white noise generator.
He said, it's encased in plastic and does have the
ability to be affected by EMI or electromagnetic interference or

(01:10:36):
possibly even some type of electronic wave. So he said,
build a new one in case it and steel in
a EMI restrictive steel container, wrap it in military grade
Faraday material, then ground it and run the wire to

(01:10:59):
a metal pole. You've pounded two feet into the ground
and grounded to that. He said, if you still get
voices after that, I'll be impressed. We did that. Guess
what we got voice? Voices are still there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
No kid, no kidding. The best EVB that I have
ever captured. We didn't even we weren't even doing an
EVP experiment. And this happened at our Flight twenty one location,
our first night filming there, and we had a we

(01:11:36):
had a little bit boy's voice, a little boy's voice.
And what's kind of funny about that is my audience here.
You know, they call me captain because I say I'm
I'm sitting in the Captain's chair of sor headquarters, so
they some people nickname me the captain in our in
our chat room, and you hear the on this go

(01:11:58):
pro microphone, you hear this little boy say captain, and
then he mumbles something. And then about a minute later, Butt,
my research partner Tim, kind of fumbles with the camera
and then he almost knocks it over, and then you
hear the little boy say uh oh, and then he

(01:12:20):
turns you hear something muffled, and then he turns back
like he's talking to his buddies, like, hey, look at
this guy. He can't keep a camera straight or whatever
it is. Whatever he said, you couldn't make it out.
But then he said. Then you hear him start to
giggle right afterwards. And I'm thinking, we're thirty miles into
the forest. There's not another human being around us from

(01:12:41):
miles miles and here we are getting this young this
young boy probably I would say, between the age of
ten and thirteen years old, talking like this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Yep, it happens. This is amazing, and you know, a
physical impossible. I mean, if you know there's no one
else around, let alone children, where is that coming from?
And that's that's exactly how we got started, and that
is what led us up to what you're about to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Well, let's play it, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
So the first one I'm gonna play, I'm gonna I'm
gonna kind of run you through one or two from
direct radio voice where we started to static coom to
staticcom two point zero to staticcom three point zero. And
as I go through them, I'll explain what's changed, what
got advanced. So the clip I'm about to play and
let me share this screen so we can bring this up.

(01:13:37):
And this particular one, like I said, is direct radio voice,
meaning that this is still using a radio. We had
not removed the radio yet, Okay, but in a year
of research, this is the best clip we had in

(01:13:59):
an entire year. But you're gonna hear my wife's voice
on this because she's the one asking. She's actually asking
for Marcello Bacci, because Marcello Bacci used this method for
about thirty five years and he was actually brought not

(01:14:20):
what you're actually seeing. He used an old vacuum tube radio,
not what you're seeing, but he did use a vacuum
tube radio on a white noise in between stations and
had communications. He'd bring in people from the neighborhood that
had lost children or parents and wanted some sort of

(01:14:43):
understanding of you know, what happened and whether they were
okay and whether they're still around. And Marcello Bacchi was
actually taken into a science lab and tested and they
pulled his vacuum tubes out of his radio one by
one to see where the voices would stop coming in
voice has never stopped coming in the only thing they
could remove was Marcello himself to make the voices stop. Right,

(01:15:08):
So that's who my wife is asking for. And here,
hold on, let me just I just got to make
sure I shared audio. I don't know if I did.
Hold on one second, no problem, yep, I did. Okay,
so we're good there and here it comes, and here's

(01:15:30):
that clip, Marcello.

Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
Can you see us? Yes, thank you, Marcello. You started
this method. It's working. Can you please try to communicate

(01:15:57):
with us.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Man, that's clear.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
So the funny part about that, if you can just
hide that share screen for now and but leave it open,
it'll make it easier for you to share more. But
there you go. The best part about that was that
that was English. He was speaking English. Now, of course

(01:16:32):
Marcellobacchi would have been Italian, but you can still hear
that accent, which sounds Italian, like an Italian accent speak
speaking English with the way he said, I'd say glad
to meet you. And that's the phenomenal phenomenal part about

(01:16:53):
working with vocals is I can tell before I even
hear what the response is. I can tell if they're
male or female. I can tell if in it's adult
or a child. I can tell what language they're speaking.
I can tell their emotional state. Are they happy, are
they angry? Are they upset? I can tell so much

(01:17:18):
before I even hear what words they say. And that
to us was just unmatchable by any other capture.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
When you play another one, I'm gonna get you if
you can to turn your volume up on it, just
a just a tad. I don't know if you can
or not.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
I don't have any control over volume.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Okay, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
Hold on, let me uh, because I'm just sharing screen.
I can try to turn the volume up on my computer,
but that's only going to come through my speakers, all right.
The next one, So the next one I'm gonna play
is this one actually becomes staticicom okay, and so I'm

(01:18:15):
I have it on now. I couldn't ask any more
questions of if that really was Marcello Boggi, because we
have no way of knowing for sure whether it was.
But dr V would let us ask maybe one question,
get an answer, maybe two, and then it would disappear
and we'd lose them, we'd lose their voice. Static coom

(01:18:38):
got a little better. It stayed a lot around. The voice,
the communication, the two ways stayed around a little longer.
You're gonna see that in this next clip. I'm gonna
play all right here it comes.

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
Can you say, Tony? Did you just say yeah, so
you know who I am?

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Can I know who you are? Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:19:15):
Sir? Thank you? Who am I speaking to?

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
So again, just amazing, incredible. We got two names first
and last. We tried to determine if we could look
them up. Now again we're dealing with just audio. So
did I spell them right? Where they're hidden consonants in
their names? Probably not, because they're pretty pretty simple names.

(01:19:54):
But we weren't able to ask any more questions like
who was president when you died? So we had some
time frame. Chip Pad him and Harold Pattern are pretty
relatively common names used probably quite frequently throughout history and
maybe making it very difficult to do the research on it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Yeah, I can definitely, I could definitely see that for
sure in regards to it. But you know the fact
that you were able to get this, I mean you
can pretty much ask a wealth of questions on it.
How do you determine who you're going to contact and
what you're going to ask.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
Well, a lot of times, I mean, we don't even
have to ask questions. We can just turn it on
and listen to what they're speaking about. And we've done that.
It's it's like a spiritual eavesdrop. You turn it on
and they're talking to each other, and you can hear
everything to them talking about other spirits, to things that
happened in their day, something they didn't like, somebody they're
mad at. It's not that dissimilar from here, and it's

(01:20:57):
it's quite amazing. And then there'll be subject matters where
on what what are you talking about? And then we'll
eventually say, hey, you know, we don't understand, No, you
wouldn't understand blah blah blah blah, whatever the case may be.
And then other subjects, you know, things like if they
don't have a body, why are they saying they're thirsty
or hungry or tired? How does that work? We don't

(01:21:18):
have those answers yet.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Hmm, what else do you got for us here?

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
We got about we got about two and a half minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
All right. Next one I'm gonna play is the question
I was talking about before, wanting to know how they
hear me speak if they don't have years. Here's that answer, how.

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
Do you hear me?

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
That's an incredible answer for a variety of reasons. One,
we did EVP work for years and years and years,
and a lot of times the answer would show up
on the recorder before we even finished asking the question.
That explains it. If it's energy of the mind or consciousness,
and that's how they're giving it. They don't need my voice.

(01:22:09):
The second thing is that is the scientific theory of survival,
meaning that the consciousness survives death. So it all ties in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I'm blown away by this right now.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Gets better, it gets better.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Wow, wow, you know, it makes you wonder on a
human level, where are they?

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
It reminds me of if you remember the seventies and
eighties where you'd get these party lines going on, you know,
And that's kind of what you're tuning into, is these
party lines of the spirit world.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Well, it's a connection party line, like the old seventies
phone lines that were party lines. But if you speak
to a medium that actually has abilities, they'll come back
when they hear this. So, goh my god, that's exactly
how it feels for me to mentally interpret because there's
so many of them speaking, I have to figure out
who's saying what. While the principles under which we made

(01:23:16):
staticicom function would be the same way that that energy
form would be sent to another human to decipher, it's
not that dissimilar. So they would be hearing probably the
same type of multiple messages from multiple voices.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Forty seconds to go. Have you ever had a conversation
with a spirit on the other side that just emotionally
touched you?

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Yes, many times? Information and where I have a clip
after break, I'll or during break, I'll ask you if
I'm okay to play it. But yeah, absolutely we have.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Well let's just wait on that one. Tony Rathman is
here talking about communications with spirit on the other side.
It is a wonder in the paranormal world if we
could communicate. Tony's basically saying we can. Entityvoices dot Com
is his website, And when we return from the break,

(01:24:23):
we're going to get into more of these incredible conversations
with spirits on the other side, wherever that other side
may be. We're going to try and fit in some
audience questions as well, so if we have time for them,
we're going to get to them. This is spaced Out Radio.
We are about to enter the second half of the show.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
Next. You're listening to Space Down Medio with your home
Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
All right, we are clear.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
All right. So, yeah, I have one clip where a
friend of ours actually was murdered and we asked Staticcom
who did it, and they give us first and last name.
But there is one swear word in it. Now, I
don't know if your radio audience would even catch it,

(01:25:33):
but it is in there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
What what swear word?

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
I think it says something like that little fucker.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
M Yeah, let's play it and then what I will
do is I'll.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
Edit that out, okay, because it's it's phenomenal the information
we got.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
So did in something like that? Did you ever take
it to the police.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Well, the problem is this murder happened in the Philippines.
The percentage percentage of murders that get solved in the
Philippines is about zero.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
I've heard that. Yeah, wow, sorry about your friend there.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Yeah, it was a shame. He was a good friend
of both my wife and and mine. But yeah, but
it was it was a test because Staticcom was running.
My wife came in to tell me and Alison his
name was being said through STATICOUM, We're like, wait what.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
All right? I think we have enough questions for the night,
so I will not be taking any more questions from
the chat room because we are going to mix this
next half hour up with both EVP and some questions
for Tony guys. So thank you for your questions for tonight.
We're going to try and get to them. I promise you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
A right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Tyler for twenty How are you alright? We got about
two and a half minutes here. My man, it's so

(01:28:10):
exciting Tony, there really is.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
But I'm glad you like it. Yeah, it's it blows
our mind even to the day with what and we've
been doing this for so many years. But it's just
that there's never a dull moment, there's never a dull day.
It's just it's unbelievable what comes through.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
How many on your team? Just my wife and I good,
So you keep it nice and small.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Yeah, we did just join forces with another ITC researcher
in Brazil through all sorts of legal contracts, non disclosure
and agreements. But we're going to move to hopefully four
five six point zero. And as far as we can
take this thing, have you patented it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
The reason being is that in order to patent it,
you have to lay out how everything is built. And
years ago when I gave some information to a psychic
and she turned it over to the police department, and
I got a call three days later from the FBI
wanting to know how I got this information. And he
asked me, is this patented? And I said no? And
he goes, why not? I said, because it's public information

(01:29:16):
and all you have to do is go look it up.
He goes, good point, So no, we have not patented this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Oh well, got about forty five seconds. All right, big

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(01:31:20):
time tonight Tony Rathman and his website Entity Voices dot com.
If you want to check this out, Tony, thank you
for being here and sharing your electronic voice phenomena with us.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Thank you a pleasure to be here and love talking
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Oh me too, man, Me too. It is one of
those mysteries of you know, people always saying, you know,
I wish I could communicate tell my mom, or tell
my dad or my brother, my sister, my grandpa or
grandma just one last time, how much I love them.
But what about pets? Did I communicate with my dog
on the other side, my cat? Whatever? I know, it

(01:31:58):
sounds weird, But I'm going to ask you about that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
You can. We've actually we've been doing a ton of
online testing the last couple of weeks. I mean I'm
talking a couple of day and we've had people ask
for their cat, their dog, the dogs barked. They've asked
for a horse that they loved that passed away, and
you heard the winning of the horse.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
It's it's amazing, unbelievable, unbelievable like this, this is just freaky.
It's free, it's freak. How do you not get scared?
Or have you have you I know you won't play it,
or maybe you don't have it lined up or anything,

(01:32:43):
but have you ever had a voice come through and
communicate with you? That was absolutely terrifying.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Yep. One time we were doing a group session in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania,
and we had something come through that shook up the
whole room to the point where we shut it off. Finally,
after about twelve thirteen minutes of just being I mean,
you felt the energy in the room change, finally we

(01:33:11):
just shut it off. Everybody went outside, tried to shake
it off. Everyone was severely emotionally distraught from what we
were hearing and the energy level of the change in
the room. But that's the only time, the only time
something more on the darker side seems to have come forward.
And we've been doing this fifteen years. That was the

(01:33:33):
only one time I've ever heard something a little more
on the dark side.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
And what was that about? What caused that?

Speaker 4 (01:33:41):
You think? Well, we were doing We were I don't
want to mention names. We were doing a special interaction
for a friend of ours who happened to own a
very well known haunted location. So we were trying to
get some answers for her, and that's how this occurred.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Oh my. And do you think it was something demonic
or just an angry spirit?

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
I I would bet on angry. But like I said,
the whole energy in the room changed. I mean it
was people were getting up out of their chairs and
walking out even before we shut it off. And then
we shut it off, everybody just had to get away
for a while to to unwind the emotional stress that

(01:34:31):
this caused. I mean, it was and it wasn't just
what was being said. In fact, some of them was
just sort of a screaming, but it just it had
a vicious feel to it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Oh my, what do you got lined up first? Next?

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
All right, Well, I'd like to play the one that
I was just talking about if I can. But now
that I think about it, there might be two not
so nice words in there, one in the beginning one
in the end. So if you don't want me to,
let me know. But it was. It was about a
friend of ours that that was murdered, and we asked
Statacom for answers in.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
It gives them, let's do it. What the heck, I'll
make sure that those words get out. One second here,
let me pull it up. There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
All right, So this clip is about a personal friend
of my wife and mine. His name was Lenin. He
was a politician in the Philippines and he was shot
and murdered while he was working. The news released the information.
I was running staticcom when my wife came in and

(01:35:39):
said what happened to him? We heard his name get mentioned.
I said, Shari, grab your camera, let's record this. And
we asked questions. That is what you're going to hear.
You're not going to see our faces. This was very
emotional for us. But here it is.

Speaker 8 (01:35:58):
Yes, he was shot.

Speaker 9 (01:36:06):
Okay, learning did you know that you were shot? Do
you have a message for your family to your mom?

Speaker 10 (01:36:33):
I saw you how they shot you?

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Shoot learning you can see.

Speaker 8 (01:36:43):
On boom and sal.

Speaker 9 (01:36:51):
Yes, madam, a bigamasia.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
Kill.

Speaker 6 (01:37:02):
I'm about a word sale.

Speaker 9 (01:37:08):
Just give me the name Lennon so I can help you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
That's yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:37:21):
Do you know how you were killed?

Speaker 10 (01:37:25):
H Okay, Lennon was shot and killed last Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
Good?

Speaker 8 (01:37:38):
Do you know who did or not? See? Yes? Can
you give a name please?

Speaker 7 (01:37:49):
Shame mhmm.

Speaker 8 (01:37:52):
Let's start with first name?

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
Jeez?

Speaker 8 (01:37:55):
What's his first name? Christ Christian? Was Christian? Okay? First?

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
You never laugh? Wow? So now can we prove any
of that? No, But we wanted to release it before

(01:38:47):
any any other information if it does ever surface, to
say that we had it first. Now we haven't heard anything.
Like I said, this is the Philippines. Murders are not
sold their much at all. But did he have a
publisher as a politician? Probably? You know that's not Oh,

(01:39:09):
I'm getting a name that starts with a J.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
This was a very distinct, very specific first and last
name from white noise.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
This could probably this technology could probably help a lot
of crime fighters on this.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Oh yeah, that's why we wanted to use it for
cold cases. And when we found out this happened to
a friend of ours, this was test one.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Have any police forces come up to you and said, hey,
can we try this out on this case?

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Not yet, but we are open to any police force
asking to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Do you have any cop friends who who might be
able to point you in that direction?

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
I do, I do. It's time. I mean between us
bilding this, expanding this, doing the research. It's and there's
two of us right now. Now. We're we partnered with
another ITC researcher in Brazil. He's a fantastic ITC researcher
and an electronic wizard I'm building. So we helped to

(01:40:18):
take this from what's now three to four, five, six
and however far we can take it. But you know,
time is the biggest issue. People say, did you ask
how the pyramids were built? Did atlantis exist? You know?
What types of aliens and how many species are there.
I could spend the rest of my life just asking
questions to see what answers show up, but then I

(01:40:40):
will stop everything else, and so I have to balance
each and every part.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Let's go to some audience questions here, Let's go to
Polly to kick things off. Contacting the spirit realm? Are
we supposed to? Are we breaking any law of nature?
And what could be the consequences of a permanent contact
with spirit?

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
Well, I guess my question to that is are we
supposed to? Well? Religion says no. Well, if we're not
supposed to, how come they respond when I ask a
question if they're not supposed to? When you pray to Jesus,
is that not talking to spirit? So you know, you've

(01:41:22):
got to break down every aspect of what you're told.
You can do. What you're told is what's real, and
evaluate what the evidence points to. Now, I'm not disagreeing
with anything you're saying. All those questions have come up
both in our mind and in what's right and what's

(01:41:44):
not right, But we believe spirits are under universal law.
They will answer anything that's already happened, but they will
never give us future information. I can ask a simple
question like I have a choice between two jobs, which
one should I take? Crickets? They will not reply. And
also because we've asked for the witting powerball numbers a

(01:42:07):
thousand times, no answer. But if I ask something that's
already happened something as simple as what did I have
for lunch last Wednesday? They can answer it, but nothing
for future. And we believe that's universal laws not allowing
them to affect the life. We are here to learn,
to grow, to evolve, and then take that information back

(01:42:30):
to universal consciousness to allow it to evolve and grow.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Another question, this one coming from Jules, are the voices
produced by your device of the deceased or other sounding voices?

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Well, if I'm understanding your question correctly, each voice that
speaks is individualized to whomever is speaking, and we know
that by doing group presentations where people in the audience
have actually identified the voice who it was and as
a past family member. And when we ran this live

(01:43:11):
at Phenomicon, we had people actually also identify the voice
and literally dropped to the floor crying because of the
response that they got to a question that they've been
wanting to know for years. Wow, but the device does
not create the voice. When we had it analyzed by

(01:43:31):
PhD scientists, they said, Nope, there's nothing in here to
produce voices. He shouldn't be there.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
Jay is asking have you also done work with a
gentleman named Mark Macy and using white noise snow from
on a television to develop further spirit vision and chronovision.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Yeah. I mean, I'm very familiar with who Mark Macy is,
and you're talking about a video loop where your videotape
a white noise screen on a television that loops and
definitely created and open visual. I don't want to use
the word portal, but I guess that's the best definition
for it.

Speaker 11 (01:44:08):
But they've got technology way beyond that now even today,
where you can use certain projectors and a fog or
a mist to get imagery, and we have talked about
combining that with now the vocals, but.

Speaker 4 (01:44:23):
That's going to be years away. But the thing I
don't like about any type of visual is you literally
have to go through it frame by frame to catch
something that's evolved, because that's how quickly it comes and goes.
And it's hard enough for me at times to listen
to a couple hours of a recording, which takes about

(01:44:45):
an hour for every twelve minutes of audio, so frame
by frame for a fifteen minute video, I'd probably lose interest.
But that question is a great one, and yes, something
that will be looked at down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
That would be cool. That reminds me of that old
Michael Keaton movie White Noise.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
Yeah, you know, and it's funny that that's what the
name of it was. I mean, if you look, I mean,
even Tesla said back in the fifties, if you want
to understand the universe, think in terms of energy frequency
and vibration. Well, guess what white noise is energy frequency
and vibration. What do we think spirits or entities become
after the human body is lost energy frequency and vibration.

(01:45:28):
What are thoughts? Energy frequency and vibration it is, And
that's what we believe consciousness to be. How thoughts become
reality and everything in between.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
That is amazing. All right, let's go to Marv here para.
Marv is asking when you're hearing responses from spirits, do
their accents come through?

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
Absolutely? Yeah. We had talked about that earlier with Marcellobaci.
When he answered in English, you could hear his accent.
We've had other voices. We had a gentleman one time
in a public forum say can I ask a question?
We said, yeah, go right ahead. He walked up, but
he asked the question in his native American language, so

(01:46:12):
we didn't even know what he asked. So we just
sat back and we listened, and all of a sudden
we saw his eyes kind of get wide and his
jaw drop a little bit. I said, did you get
your answer? He said, not only did I get it?
I got it in my native American language. No way, Yep,
that's amazing, amazing. All right, let's go to another question here.

(01:46:34):
Let's go to Valerie. How can we never experience ancient
ghosts like Egyptians or Neanderthals, or the ghost of a
person we were in the past life. Well, if you
believe what we believe, that you're a fractual portion of
universal consciousness when you're alive here on earth, and when

(01:46:55):
you pass, you return back to universal consciousness or one mind.
If it's one mind, all information is shared. Meeting the
idea of a past ghost or a ghost from the
eighteen hundreds would have every bit of knowledge that we
have today, and probably more in universal consciousness. Therefore, somebody says, well,

(01:47:19):
wait a minute, you're asking a ghost from the seventeen
hundreds to speak into a digital recorded or they're not
even going to know what that is. Yes, through the
theory of universal consciousness, they would have every bit of
information of everything that happens. How many thousands of people
on the planet die every day and take every bit

(01:47:39):
of information they learned here back to grow universal consciousness.
Universal consciousness would have to be constantly updated with information
to grow and evolve as a single mind.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Mail is asking do spirits talk to other spirits?

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
Yep? Absolutely, That's why I said we could turn it on,
not say a word and just listen to them speak.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
So what is that like? Let's say you just turn
the machine on and you hear a conversation. Are they
talking about, you know, if they're old enough. Are they
talking about their their last uker game? Are they talking about,
you know, the Civil War? Are they talking about what
happened on Monday night football? What are they talking about?

Speaker 9 (01:48:25):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
I think when they transfer back over there, the elevation
of their mind and their consciousness expands far beyond what
our brain filters it to be as us as human beings.
You know, science says that consciousness is derived from the brain. No,

(01:48:46):
the brain acts as a filter to minimalize consciousness. Because
if you were aware of everything that happened in the environment,
and spirits were around, and you could hear them listen
to them talk. They're talking about things not of the
everyday nature, although we've heard conversations with that. We heard

(01:49:07):
them talking about something he said, she said, type of
thing we heard them talking about just some of the
craziest subjects. We heard one spirit one time say he
was allergic to sex, which was the strangest conversation on
the planet. But you don't know what you're going to

(01:49:27):
run into. You can run into the things that you're
just going, oh my gosh, this is this is amazing,
and then you run into the things that you're like,
why A they're wasting time with that? But you know
how many times do we get in conversations during a
day that your conversations vary from one end of the
spectrum to the other throughout a twenty four hour period.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Doesn't make sense sometimes, does it? No, doesn't make sense.
Let's get to another couple questions. It's go to PAULI here,
what is your personal I shouldn't have done that worst
moment during research, probably spent.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
Money, I didn't have to upgrade. But I have no
regrets about things. I've tried things that work, things that
didn't work, And there were a lot more that didn't work.
The biggest thing that becomes a concern to me, now,
is the world ready for this? How is it going

(01:50:29):
to change things like science, religion, cultural backgrounds. How's it
going to change something as simple as if you're in
court fighting over a will and you can bring in
a device that you can bring up the person who
wrote the will saying no, the house wasn't supposed to
go to you, the house was supposed to go to them.
You know, just there's so many things that I don't

(01:50:52):
know how those are, those would be handled.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
That is very true, But I I guess in this
question from Polly's outside of that, have you ever done
an experiment that just, you know, maybe got a little
bit out of hand, like you talked about earlier with
that dark spirit who is saying some pretty rash things.

Speaker 4 (01:51:17):
Yeah, that would probably be the same answer. You know,
we were in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, which is known to be
unbelievably haunted. We were there during a paranormal event. We
ran into some friends. She had questions about her location
and we said, well, we're running an event tonight, why

(01:51:38):
don't you come and after we'll ask the questions. Well,
but that's probably the one. I definitely say we probably
should have handled that one a little differently. But for
the most part, when you're dealing with communication, there's no
residual energy effects that they don't have to be whatever
location we're at to answer. You can get a voice

(01:51:59):
from anywhere. They don't physically need to be in front
of you, So the fears are lessened by that fact.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
Let's move on to another question. We got two minutes here,
Let's go to peram av Would you consider using the
staticom for revisiting something like the Seth material or something similar?

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
Yeah, you know, they're absolutely I would. There are so many,
so many things that questions can be asked, even something
as as well known and documented as the crucifixion Crucifixion
of Christ. Did it happen how we were told it
was happened? Was something different? Was there information missing? I

(01:52:44):
mean you literally could spend your lifetime asking questions. You know,
did the Pyramids exist? Did Atlantis exist? Did? I don't
even know where to stop with the questions, because you
could spend a lifetime just doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
Well before we have to say good night to you then,
which is coming up here momentarily, I'm curious to hear.
What is one question that you have asked about the
past that they've answered?

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
Oh, that they did answer, Yeah, almost all of them.
That's that's the incredible effect of this system. If it's
something that already occurred and it's public knowledge to consciousness,
they can will and do answer well. We randomly googled

(01:53:34):
one hundred Internet questions from the past and we asked
each and everyone ninety seven percent accuracy.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Now with thirty seconds ago, did it lanis exist?

Speaker 4 (01:53:47):
I haven't asked that one yet.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Oh my goodness. Oh dude, Tony, I want to say
a big thank you for you coming on spaced out radio.
Take twenty seconds. Tell everybody where they could find you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
Sure, easiest way is intovoices dot com. We also have Facebook,
Tony Rathman. Go to YouTube, Stata coom or Entity Voices.
You'll find us both there, TikTok, Instagram, most of the
or all of the social media, but Facebook and and
website intoity voices dot Com are the easiest.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
I love it, my man, Tony Rathman. Everybody coming up
next to nowur number three. The wizard is here for
the UFO report. We'll be right back on spaced Out Radio.
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott. Well, man,

(01:54:51):
that was absolutely awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Well, thank you, appreciate, appreciate you having me on to
talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Yeah, no, that's that's We're going to do it again.
I want to hear more of.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
This man, you bet anytime. Just let me know when
you've got an open spot, and I'll be happy to
come back.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
Wonderful. You're the best, Tony, Thank.

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
You you bet day, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Take care. What a great great show, fun, fun, fun,
that was fun us. All right, let's bring the wizard in.

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
He is.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
Here? I am.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
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What's going on? Dave?

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Speaker 9 (02:02:37):
As bad.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
All right, we have the man, the myth, and the
wizard or legend right here. Josh Rutledge with the UFO Report.
How you been doing, buddy.

Speaker 12 (02:03:05):
I'm doing great, man. Just coming back from my Campion
trip this past weekend with my daughter and the phoenix
moof on folks, and may have had a sasquatch visit
my tent the first night.

Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
So that was fun.

Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
Oh well, hold on here, explain this little ditty to us.

Speaker 12 (02:03:25):
Yeah, so first night we were there, went to veteran
eleven ish and was like finally got to sleep. Maybe
I don't know, welve or something. Was startled awake by
the noise of something crunching on the pine needles outside

(02:03:46):
of my tent. We had flaps open, so I could
see all around. I did glance up, which would have
been looking out towards like the fire area where everybody
was gathered when we went to bed. The only one
person was still up and the fire was out when
I glanced.

Speaker 4 (02:04:05):
I did not.

Speaker 12 (02:04:06):
Glance out the side of the tent, just in case
it was big fil like part of me, like part
of me wants to see something, but then the other
part of me is like, I don't want to get
my arms ripped off and beaten to death with them,
so I just kind of let it, you know, like
I sat there and listened like I was awake, and
I listened, and then I was just crunching around and stuff.

(02:04:28):
And then the next morning when I got up, I
had backed my jeep up to our tent because all
of our you know, food and stuff was in the jeep.
And when I got up, I was getting some stuff
out of the jeep in the morning, and I noticed
there was some small handprints on the side of my
on the door of my jeep, like so maybe a

(02:04:48):
child sasquatch because they were down low.

Speaker 4 (02:04:53):
But the fingers were very.

Speaker 12 (02:04:56):
Like, I don't know, thick, I guess, chunkyish, but close
to together, and you could make out four fingers from
maybe one hand, and then a space, and then two
additional full fingers and then like a third partial.

Speaker 1 (02:05:11):
Wow, did you get pictures of it?

Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
I did. I looked all around the tent.

Speaker 12 (02:05:17):
I couldn't find any footprints or anything, but it was
it was rather hard ground and it was dry because
it's you know, it's Arizona after all. So there wasn't
any really, you know, like any footprints or anything noticeable
to be that I wouldn't equate to just people walking
around with their shoes and stuff. But yeah, the the

(02:05:37):
fingerprints were interesting for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
What'd they look like.

Speaker 12 (02:05:43):
Uh well, no dermal like, no no dermal ridges, no
fingerprints whatsoever, just as if as if something like wearing
gloves had touched the side of the jeep. That's almost
kind of what it looked like. They, Like I said,
they were kind of like wide, I don't know how

(02:06:04):
else to describe it, so almost like ape fingers, like
in the width and how close together they were. But
like I said, I mean, I don't know why there
would have been an ape in the in the high
desert in Arizona in October, But so you know, that's yeah,
it was very very interesting. Like I said, I've got

(02:06:26):
a far I've got a kind of a standing away
from my jeep picture where you can see them in
it to give size context. But then I also did
a close up picture of the actual fingerprints, and I
might I might throw it together with a little story
about what it is and the picture of evidence and
throw it up on my YouTube channel later this week
and see what people think.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
That sounds absolutely great, absolutely great. So this past weekend
there was you know, the anniversary of the Shag Harbor incident.
That is what we would consider Canada's raw aswell. Although

(02:07:08):
it happened in deep waters off the coast of Nova Scotia,
where a big fireball kind of came down and people
from Manitoba all the way across the northern northeastern part
of the United States saw this before it eventually crashed
into you know, right in between that area between Maine

(02:07:31):
and Shay Harvard, Nova Scotia. I mean, this is a
big event, you know, I believe this happened fifty eight
years ago. Is the timeline on that, you know. To me,
this is one of the most intriguing cases that is
still out there. Where they went and checked, you know,

(02:07:52):
there were hundreds of witnesses, first off, number one. Number two,
there were military witnesses in Royal Canadian Mounted Police witnesses
on this happening, never mind the civilians. Number three, they
checked all the flight logs to make sure that no
airliners or private planes had crashed into that area causing

(02:08:12):
that which they found that didn't Number four allegedly they
sent divers down to check out what it was, and
allegedly they these Canadian naval divers saw a giant something
look like a craft being worked on. I mean, there's
a lot of information on this case that just seems

(02:08:35):
to still fifty eight years later, you know, ruffle the
feathers of great information. Do you think this is one
of those cases that goes a little bit under the
radar when it comes to UFOs and crash sites.

Speaker 12 (02:08:51):
Absolutely, I think that whether I don't know, I would
say that any case that didn't happen within the boundaries
of the United States is often overlooked by UFL researchers,
especially those UFO resourcers that are based.

Speaker 4 (02:09:10):
In the United States. And I don't know why.

Speaker 12 (02:09:13):
Maybe if it's because there's a plethora of content available
in the US, but that's one of you know, one
of the things that I dislike is just the the
lack of coverage of cases that have occurred outside of
the US. And yeah, Shick Harbor is one of those.

(02:09:34):
It's especially interesting because Shaik Harbor is, I don't think,
not not too far away, maybe a couple hundred miles
from the Alligash Alien abduction case that happened up in Maine,
I think also around the same timeline. So it'd be
interesting to look at those two cases, you know, comparatively,

(02:09:58):
to see if there are any similarities.

Speaker 1 (02:10:02):
It would be because the East Coast there seems to
have a lot of crash areas for some reason. Maybe
it's the radar, you know, that was always the theory
about Roswell, is that there there was you know, I
believe Stanton Friedman, the late Stanton Friedman, stated that he
believed that it was a cross reference between weather conditions

(02:10:25):
in that area, which was stormy, and the amount of
radar that was over top of New Mexico at that time,
because New Mexico was pretty much the hotbed for nuclear
testing at that time, and they figured it may have
been a combination of both that brought down the two
craft at Roswell and San Augustine. You know, I'm wondering

(02:10:47):
with the East Coast being so patrolled by radar by
other types of equipment, whether it's ships or airplanes, I'm
wondering if that may have something to do with with
that type of action over there.

Speaker 12 (02:11:05):
It also possibly, uh, you know, I know that there
are all kinds of uh, you know, sonar stations along
the East coast, you know, after World War Two looking
for you know, probably Soviet submarines at the time. There's
also the Montalk project there in Montauk, New York, supposedly,

(02:11:28):
you know, dealt with using radio frequencies to try to
you know, adjust the thinking patterns, if you will, of
the local residents. So if it's also broadcasting radio transmissions,
could that have interfered in some way with you know,
navigation of a craft. Then there's also the theory that

(02:11:50):
these are not necessarily crashes in the form of like
mechanical failure, but whether on purpose crashes to support the
craft program as well.

Speaker 1 (02:12:03):
What's happening in the UFO world right now.

Speaker 4 (02:12:07):
You know, it's slow again. It's slow again, Dave.

Speaker 12 (02:12:11):
You know, US government is in the process or is
in the middle of kind of another shutdown, I guess another.

Speaker 4 (02:12:20):
But it's been a few years since we had the
last one.

Speaker 12 (02:12:22):
But so because of that, we have we're still waiting
on the Senate version of the National Defense was it
NDAA to see if they're going to include the provisions
for UAP the amendment that was included in the House
version probably not as we talked about last time, because

(02:12:45):
of the whole you know, military industrial complex and such.
But so we're waiting on that to kind of see
if that's going to be left in or if it's
going to be taken out.

Speaker 4 (02:12:55):
What happens there.

Speaker 12 (02:12:57):
There's a couple of things floating around though, Like Three
Eye Antlists recently flew by Mars, and the Mars were
over on the surface, took a time lapse, if you will,
picture images over the course of ten minutes, and those
images were stacked and we get kind of a glimpse
of the three Eye Atlas as it flew by. Everybody

(02:13:21):
jumped all over it, it looking like a rod or
like a cigar shape. But Alvi Lobe took to his
you know, medium page to say, this is actually not
the case. It's that it was still moving while the
pictures were being taken in stacked, and so it's a
moving object over you know, a time lapse video, you
get that kind of stretching effect in the photo. And

(02:13:45):
as someone I've got an all sky camera in my
backyard that takes timeless, you know, pictures every four seconds
of the night sky, and I see that with like
airplanes and stuff that are flying over that it looks
like a stretch elong gated light. But it's just you know,
an aircraft that got snapped in several different frames and

(02:14:05):
the software stitches it together. So but we do have
closer images of three A three I atlas. I think
the majority of astronomers and such are still referred to
it as a comet. A V Lobe though, is still
sticking to his you know, assertion that it could be you.

Speaker 4 (02:14:26):
Know, technology. So we'll just have to wait and see.

Speaker 1 (02:14:32):
Are you surprised that there is still so much great
debate about that. I know we touched on that last
week when we were on with the UFO report, just
in regards to the amount of ridicule A V lobe
the Harvard astrophysicist has taken over saying, look, there could
be a possibility this isn't some celestial type of meteor

(02:14:57):
or comet or whatever. This could be something of a
life form m you know, And he still has even
though he's leaning towards it being a comet, you saying
we can't rule it out. I mean, have you heard
any more reactions about that?

Speaker 12 (02:15:17):
I haven't really, I mean, I as recently as this morning,
he was on a local news station here in Phoenix
talking about his theories. I think it's getting good rounds
as far as you know, the different you know, local
stations that are even covering it across the country. I
don't know, you know, if in Canada, if he's you know,

(02:15:40):
being featured on any local TV stations in Canada. Have
you seen anything that local TV or anybody's covered it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
No, there really hasn't been too much regarding it being
a potential alien They you know, craft they keep mentioning
it as a comment up here.

Speaker 4 (02:16:01):
Yeah, and that's what you know. I think that.

Speaker 12 (02:16:06):
I honestly, I'm happy that there is still debate occurring,
even if the debate is occurring as a means to,
you know, try to push av down, because it still
means that people are thinking about ways for to use

(02:16:27):
the data to support their argument that that that type
of like healthy debate is essential.

Speaker 3 (02:16:35):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (02:16:36):
Number one in society in general, uh, and number two
especially in science.

Speaker 4 (02:16:42):
You know.

Speaker 12 (02:16:42):
I think a VI's point, like we've talked about before,
is that you can't we don't have enough data to
be able to rule out the possibility that it's alien.
Tach and until we do. We have to consider all possibilities.
This is science, right, that's the that's the basis of science,

(02:17:03):
and so everybody who is jumping on the it has
to be a comment. You're a crazy person for suggesting otherwise.
I think what Obvious is really highlighting is is how
how much our mainstream science has kind of fallen into
the trap of dogma as it relates to almost treating

(02:17:26):
science more like a religion. And how dare you question science.

Speaker 4 (02:17:30):
In this way.

Speaker 12 (02:17:33):
As a kind of we'll call it a wu a
wu interpretation I did at this move On camping trip
over the weekend. I broke out my my dowsing rods
and we talked to something on the dowsing rods that
identified itself as a as an alien entity, and questions

(02:17:54):
were asked about three I atlas, and the answers that
came through on the dowsing rods was that it is
a life form that is a natural phenomenon and it's
just passing through the solar system.

Speaker 4 (02:18:04):
So you know, that's one interpretation.

Speaker 1 (02:18:09):
It very much is, you know, something that is an
open subject that will continue for debate as we move forward.
Annapolina Luna, the congress person who runs what I like
to call the Conspiracy Club in Washington, d C. She
was recently on a podcast saying, you know, why do
you keep pushing the whole UFO agenda? She seems very

(02:18:32):
staunch that there is a cover up going on. Josh,
you know that there is something that is out there
that is being withheld from the American public regarding technologies,
regarding you know, UAP as a as a code word
for absolutely everything in the sky that cannot be on

(02:18:54):
a that cannot be identified. Just your thoughts on the
fact that there there are people like Luna Timbershet and
others who keep coming out saying we got something here,
we got something here. Why do you think they keep
pushing that if they can't give us anything to actually

(02:19:14):
show us what they have.

Speaker 12 (02:19:18):
Yeah, I've kind of talked about this a little bit before.
I think it really is a matter of a little
bit of a power play. There are, you know, these
projects that are occurring without congressional oversight. The twenty seventeen

(02:19:38):
article in New York Times was I would say probably
fifteen percent about up video, and the other eighty five
percent was about the fact that they are these special
access programs that are operating without congressional oversight. So I
think all activity that's occurred since twenty seventeen has been

(02:19:59):
in a tempt to gain access to to be able
to see what these special access programs are actually doing. UAP, though,
is a topic that has public reaching, you know, impact,
and so again, the public, we the community, and even

(02:20:20):
those that are not necessarily in the community yet but
are on the fence, are just a piece of the puzzle.
Or rather, you know, like I've talked about it before,
it's a big game of chess, and they're just a
piece on the board that can be manipulated to continue
to push the narrative of we need to be read
in on these programs. They should have congressional oversight, so

(02:20:44):
on and so forth. So I think the reason that
they they be in the congressional people that are still
involved and still you know, chasing this down are I
would say probably, you know, majority of their interest is
gaining you know, gaining insight into those special access programs.
But I also would say that they probably have a

(02:21:06):
personal interest because they've probably had their own experiences and frankly,
the fact that they're continuing to talk about it is
also helping to lift the taboo associated with the topic
so that people who have had experiences feel more comfortable
talking about them openly with other people. So there's a byproduct,

(02:21:28):
if you will, of their continuing interest and just making
it safer and more the norm and society that most people,
I would argue probably greater than sixty percent of the
earth population has probably had an experience with some sort.

Speaker 4 (02:21:48):
Of aspect of the phenomena.

Speaker 12 (02:21:49):
Whether it be a ghost or a poultry geist, or
a cryptid, or a bigfoot or a ufo or whatever
the case would be. They probably had some interaction with
some aspect of the phenomena, and this effort is giving
an opportunity for them to be free in their expression
of that experience.

Speaker 1 (02:22:12):
Are we at the point though, with all of this,
since we got about two minutes to go, Josh, are
we at the point though, that we're starting to tune
it out? Because it's like Charlie Brown's mother just wah wow,
you know, and that's really all we're hearing. We're not
hearing specifics, We aren't knowing places times where this is

(02:22:33):
coming from. Is it ours, is it theirs? Is it
the aliens above? Or different dimensions, Like we seem to
keep these roundabout questions going, but we never get to specifics.
And do you think that the public is starting to
tune this out or is it's a long game where

(02:22:54):
they have to take it a little bit by a
little bit, like a sink dripping filling it a cop.

Speaker 12 (02:23:01):
Yeah, so I'll stick with your Charlie Brown reference, and
I'll say this is probably a lot like Lucy in
the football right and we're Charlie Brown and we're running
to kick the football and like, oh, we're going to
be able to kick at this time, This time is
going to be it. And then right at the last moment,
Lucy pulls the football away, And I think that's what
that's what we've got going on right now. I do
think there is a long game being played. Part of

(02:23:27):
me wants to think that we are on a road
to broader disclosure, because I still think I still would
say that the twenty eighteen press release from the Pentagon
where they claimed those two UAP videos from the twenty

(02:23:48):
seventeen article, that was disclosure. They said these videos are
legitimate in their hours. In my opinion, that was disclosure.
Everything that's happened after that is just a broadening, a
widening of the gap, if you will, for us to
be able to appear through the slit in the wall
to see what else they've been keeping from us.

Speaker 1 (02:24:12):
Hold that thought, because we are going to go to
break here at the bottom of the hour. The wizard
is with us. Josh Rutledge of the UFO Report continues
after the break, and this is spaced out radio and
your host's stuff. All right, buddy, we're clear.

Speaker 12 (02:24:52):
All right, man, I'll try to hold on to where
I waste.

Speaker 1 (02:24:57):
It down, Write it down, write it down. Woo pooh,
how are you? I'm tired tonight? Man? God, am I tired?

Speaker 4 (02:25:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (02:25:15):
I did not sleep well over the weekend because just
you know, sleeping in a tent on an air mattress.
The morning we got like Sunday morning was last morning.
You know, we got up and it was thirty two
degrees outside. We did not pack for thirty two for
thirty two degrees, So like three fifteen in the morning,

(02:25:35):
I walk my daughter up and I said, let's just
let's get in the jeep and warm up. And I
would like start it and let it run and heat
us up, and then I would turn it off because
I had a friend in my early twenties that died
from an exhaust leak in their car.

Speaker 4 (02:25:49):
They didn't know that they had and they.

Speaker 12 (02:25:51):
Parked at the rest stop to take a nap and
left the car running for warmth and actually died from
carbon Knox had toison, I'm really careful about not doing that.
I don't think I have an exhaustly, but you know,
he didn't think he had one either, So but I
hated us up shut off the car, and then when
it started getting cold again, we'd burn it back on

(02:26:13):
and we cycled through that for about an hour, and
then finally I got up and fixed, uh, fixed a
fire and we got warmed up and stuff. So yeah,
I did not sleep well. Let's just say, from Friday
night to Sunday plus after Friday night's event, every time
I heard a noise the next you know, two nights

(02:26:36):
or next one night, I got so I was constantly
kind of waking to listen.

Speaker 4 (02:26:40):
So it was probably it probably came back, dude.

Speaker 12 (02:26:47):
I mean, like, it's just really interesting. This stuff seems
to be stuff being you know, all aspects of the phenomenon.
It seems to be really interested with me.

Speaker 4 (02:26:59):
Lately. I don't know why, but I'm enjoying the attention.

Speaker 1 (02:27:05):
So that's good fun experience when they're around. Man, because
you don't know whether you should be freaked out. You
don't know whether you should be you should be uh
uh you know, going to investigative mode.

Speaker 12 (02:27:22):
Yeah, that's that's my biggest Honestly, that's my biggest challenge
is not is stopping my analytical brain from immediately taking
over and you know, thinking about the investigative side and
all that kind of stuff. I really got to get.
I'm trying to work really hard and getting more into

(02:27:43):
like just the let it happen mode and then collect
all the data points and then analyze it later.

Speaker 1 (02:27:49):
Right, Nothing wrong with that, brother, Nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (02:28:00):
H We've gotta about two minutes. Okay, traffic or what's
going on?

Speaker 12 (02:28:18):
A chats M's talking about something that is causing somebody
to potentially lose sleep tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:28:27):
I don't know what they're talking about. Flying monkeys looks
like is the topic. I guess like Wizard of Oz
the flying monkeys. Maybe I don't know that.

Speaker 12 (02:28:49):
Uh, that would be terrifying, I think, because especially because
in the they're not monkeys are they are they They're
monkeys have a tail, so yeah, I guess they are monkeys,
but yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
Entity voices. Welcome to sire Chat. We got about a
minute to go here, dude. I'm so pumped up to
see you in May.

Speaker 12 (02:29:20):
Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to it. I already put
it on the calendar and blocked it out. The only
thing that could interrupt is if my daughter has a
dance thing. That's the only thing that can potentially interrupted,
and we won't know that until like March.

Speaker 1 (02:29:39):
That's a beautiful name there in the studio. Beautiful name.

Speaker 4 (02:29:48):
Love it.

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(02:31:19):
with us. We call them the UFO Wizard around these
parts talking about everything UFO. Josh, thank you so much
for being here.

Speaker 12 (02:31:27):
Yeah, man, it's great to be here again talking about
the UFO stuff going on, which right now is a
little light. But you know, you'd asked the question before
the break about if we're getting burned out.

Speaker 4 (02:31:41):
You know what, and sometimes I do get burned out.

Speaker 12 (02:31:43):
Honestly, I don't know if where we're actually gonna get
information that gives us the answers that majority of people
are looking for. And that's that's like a hard I
think truth that I've had to accept is that this

(02:32:04):
is a fantastic mystery, and I don't know that I
am ever going to solve it.

Speaker 4 (02:32:10):
Or anybody is going to solve it.

Speaker 12 (02:32:14):
I think, though, that this is one of those mysteries
where just the ability to ask the questions around this
towards the solvent in the mystery will lead us to
understand so much more about ourselves and our reality that
we'll kind of keep us engaged and keep us enticed

(02:32:36):
to continue to ask the necessary questions. Well, but when
I first started all this, I thought we're just years
away from knowing the answers. But you know, five years later,
I don't know that we are.

Speaker 1 (02:32:52):
And here's the thing I wanted to ask you though. Okay,
because since twenty seventeen, when the New York Times article
came out, you have a bunch of people who came
out of the woodwork very interested in this subject, and
this subject got a real boost in popularity. Okay, but
a lot of these people who came out, you know

(02:33:16):
what we call it, like the second generation or third
generation of eufologists, or or the first generation of you apologists. Okay,
most of them that I talk to basically said, look, Dave,
we don't care if it's a controlled disclosure. We don't
care how it comes out. We don't care. Let's just

(02:33:40):
get it out, Okay. Whereas a lot of the old
timers that have been around you know this this subject
for the last twenty thirty forty years. I think of
people like Grant Cameron and others. Okay, They're like, no,
we can't accept anything but full disclosure, because controlled disclosure

(02:34:02):
means they control the narrative, they control the subject matter
that we're going to have to take their word for it,
knowing that they are covering up very important topics, whether
it's Roswell, whether it's Kecksburg, Shag Harbor, the as Tech Crash,
whatever it may be. Your thoughts on that, as we

(02:34:22):
now see the road we are going on now, is
controlled disclosure still a healthy, viable option or do we
need to go for it all?

Speaker 12 (02:34:34):
So the question for me is always why right like
for the government to come forth and provide full disclosure
whatever that might look like We've talked about before, like
we need to agree as the community what disclosure means
when we talk about it at such an ambiguous term.

(02:34:54):
But and I think disclosure for each person is probably different.

Speaker 4 (02:34:58):
You know, like when I talk to.

Speaker 12 (02:35:01):
Oh, shoot, I can't remember. I'm totally blanked, the guy
that does the weekend show, I totally When I talked
to Rob about disclosure, you know, his his his opinion
is they like land a craft in the Super Bowl
and they invite everybody to come down and to see it,
touch it, like you know, that's his opinion of disclosure.
But for others maybe it's you know, all the documents

(02:35:23):
or admitting that, yes, we have had craft since oswell.
But it's always the question of why the government is
never going to do anything just because it's the right
thing to do. So they have to have a reason
to be willing to open this can of worms and

(02:35:46):
let the blue avians come and eat from it. So
what would that reason be? In my opinion, it's one
of two things. Either there is some timeline of uh,
you know, some extraterrestrial species or ultraterrestrial species or something.
It's gonna that's saying, hey, you tell them by X

(02:36:08):
date or we will right. There's there's that aspect, or
there is never going to be a disclosure and this
is just a dog and pony show again towards getting
access to those special access programs.

Speaker 1 (02:36:28):
I'm gonna throw a third version at you here. It's
also fear mongering, a potential red flag operation that creates
more hidden budget for special access programs and black programs.
There is that as well, that you know that could happen.

Speaker 4 (02:36:52):
You're absolutely right. I mean, it's it's interesting because.

Speaker 12 (02:36:57):
It was like January of this year, Jeremy Corbell, you know,
said hey, you're going to be told that there's a
craft on its way to Earth.

Speaker 4 (02:37:05):
And that's the lie that you're going to be told.

Speaker 12 (02:37:08):
And you know, Stephen Greer is also all about the
false flag event that you know, we're going to be
told that there's an invasion coming.

Speaker 4 (02:37:14):
That's going to be the false flag event that you
know is a.

Speaker 12 (02:37:17):
Grasp for power. I certainly don't put it past some
of the folks you know in the world, let alone
our government, to make that type of power graph.

Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
But I.

Speaker 12 (02:37:34):
I don't know, I don't like giving into that. In
my opinion, for me to live with that as the
greater potential reality would be to live a life of fear,
and I refuse to do so. I they do not
get to live rent free in my head.

Speaker 1 (02:37:56):
Getting back to the original topic of that though. It
really is though a put up or shut up time
on this subject, you know, But I and I think
that in my opinion, and I could be completely wrong here,
but in my opinion, I think we have one side
of the Pentagon that is pushing very hard to get

(02:38:20):
this back into the fringe topic medium where they don't
need to address it, they don't need to talk about it.
There's not going to be any more New York Times articles.
There's yeah, you may have the odd story from George
Knapp or somebody on CNN showing weird lights in the sky.
They like it what it's like that it doesn't cause

(02:38:43):
any controversy. And the more they get the politicians on board,
was shutting this subject off to conversation, the quicker it's
going to be. Now. I do believe that, at least
under the current presidency. And I'm not saying it's a
Donald Trump thing. I'm saying it's a Republican thing, that

(02:39:05):
they will have a number of people who are still
interested in to keep this conversation going. I think if
it became more of a let's say a Democratic president
came in the next time around, I could see this
topic going back under the rug, so to speak. I

(02:39:25):
really do.

Speaker 4 (02:39:27):
I mean, it's an interesting perspective.

Speaker 12 (02:39:29):
But I would also have to point out that, you know,
there's a Republicans control the Senate and they have the
ability now with this new you know, National Defense Act,
in order for them to put that amendment in place
in the final version and continue the topic. So if
they choose not to, if they remove it from their

(02:39:51):
version or the whatever the final version is doesn't include it,
it really makes you wonder if that's if it's a
if it's a party, if it's if it's one party
or another that really is driving disclosure, or if it
is really all just you know, smoking mirrors for a paragraph.

Speaker 1 (02:40:13):
Right. No, And I think that's a logical point I do.
I mean, you know, I hate to get political on
this show, but in the reality of it, this has
turned into a political topic and a political debate because
even within I think a safe way to do it

(02:40:33):
because the one thing that I would I would be
remiss if I didn't say this. The beautiful part about
this UFO topic is it's been very nonpartisan. Mh okay.
Both sides of the Ledger have been jumping on this
on this topic. We can agree on that.

Speaker 4 (02:40:54):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:40:55):
The issue that we have is a lot of these
older indi viduals who have been in those positions for ten, fifteen,
twenty plus years. You know, they seem to wiggle their
way into the Gang of eight that has a lot
of control on what goes into budgets and what doesn't.

(02:41:16):
We saw Mike Turner do it the last couple of
years to the Schumer Rounds bill, which was a bipartisan
bill supported by both parties. Okay, and it took a
couple of intelligence people from the Republicans who shot it down.
And we see Republicans again shooting it down now once again,

(02:41:39):
just a preface, because I know people are sensitive on politics.
This isn't a he said, She said, Donald Trump saying, Okay,
we don't need to get into that. We're talking UFOs here, Okay.
It has everything to do with the fact that a
lot of these cronies that have been there forever and
maybe have allegedly their pockets uh filled up a little bit. Okay,

(02:42:04):
they seem to be the ones pulling pulling the shoot
on this topic. Moving any further outside of they of
the younger core of politicians.

Speaker 12 (02:42:18):
Yeah, and I would you know, I would talk about
also or highlight that in the in the episode I guess,
part two of the Borland interview on Weaponized. You know
he he says, and and apparently when they recorded that episode, Uh,
there were Congressional staffers in the room when Weaponized recorded

(02:42:38):
those two episodes. Becau see, there's a couple of times
where he hints at people being there in the room
that he had also briefed in in earlier sessions with Congress.
So you know, he states, Congress knows the truth. They've
had enough meetings now in skifts with people that they

(02:42:59):
know the truth, They know the facts. This is no
longer a continuation of what do we not know?

Speaker 8 (02:43:07):
They know?

Speaker 12 (02:43:08):
And I would have to agree with that sentiment if
if any of the if any of the hearings were
the answer was I could tell you more on a skiff,
And we know they had some skiff sessions, then they
know the answers. So it really is just that every
six months we'll have a hearing, we'll parade some people out,

(02:43:32):
they'll give us some more information. We'll continue to kick
the can down the road. But there's I don't think
there's ever any intent of anybody in the US government
coming forward and saying, but the press conference with bipartisan
people on the stairs of the you know, congressional buildings,

(02:43:53):
here's what we know, blah blah blah. I just do
not think it's going to happen. And the question that
I all ultimately have it as why are we all
waiting on pins and needles for the government to tell
us things that we already know.

Speaker 4 (02:44:06):
The truth of.

Speaker 1 (02:44:08):
I think it's that sense of being kind of you know,
you always want big brother to give you the admiration
of it all. You know what I'm saying, the yes,
little brother, you're fine, Yes, you're that is the truth.
You know. I'm guiding you along the way. Hold my hand.
I'm going to take you to the Promised Land.

Speaker 12 (02:44:31):
But what I guess I'll just question what authority we
give the government over our lives to be able to
tell us that what we experienced was true?

Speaker 4 (02:44:44):
And why is the.

Speaker 12 (02:44:45):
World Why is the world waiting for the US to
do it? Canada take the lead, Australia take the lead,
UK take the lead. I mean, why are we all
waiting on baited breath for the US Congress to give disclosure.

Speaker 1 (02:45:00):
Because you guys have all the fun toys, you have
all the secrets, you got the secret bases, you have
an open checkbook to everything, and you know, I mean
that's the reality. Like Canada doesn't even spend two percent
of its annual budget on defense. Okay, New Zealand is

(02:45:25):
pretty much the same way. Australia is the same way.
And Great Britain spends a little bit more, you know,
in their defense, way more than probably Canada, Australia and
New Zealand if you look at the five eyes that
are together. But it's very, very difficult to try and
not put this on the US When you're the leader

(02:45:47):
of the free world. People are looking at big Brother
to say, what's going on here? You know, and that's
where it gets a little dangerous. This is why, you know,
I've tried to teach our audience here over the years,
don't buy into the threat narrative. There is no threat. Now,

(02:46:07):
you can break that down from a perceived threat because
you don't know what these craft are and they're inner airspace.
Whether it's a Batman balloon from an F eighteen a
number of years ago that was photographed, or whether it's
an orb, whether it's a drone, whether it's a UFO,
we don't know what they are. So if you look

(02:46:29):
at it from that military type perspective, then all of
a sudden, that is going to be something that would
be considered a threat. But as for aliens actually threatening
us and and everything like that, there is no threat.
There never has been a threat.

Speaker 4 (02:46:48):
Yeah, you know, I don't think.

Speaker 12 (02:46:50):
I don't think anybody's thrown a brick through our proverbial
window to say, hey, we're coming for you, you know,
you know, so on and so forth. So you know,
the closest thing I would say that it could be
potentially perceived as a threat is you know, their interest
in shutting down our use of nuclear weapons. But I
you know, some people could say, well, that's that's a

(02:47:11):
threat to our defense. But I would say that, you know,
if we've reached a point where nuclear option is the
only defense, then we're beyond saving and at that point
in time we need intervention.

Speaker 1 (02:47:26):
I agree, I agree, and that's something that will continue
with the debate on on what is going on. But
at some point, you know, I remember Josh going back
a few years now, you know, if I put you know,
back in the day when I started this show and
I didn't have white hair. Okay, that's how long ago
we're going with this. I remember somebody like Victor Vigiani,

(02:47:50):
where Stephen Bassett saying on this show, all we need
is one guy, one person to come out from the pentagon,
from the inside, to say, this is what's going on,
this is what's being hidden, and it's going to blow
this story wide open. Well, we've had dozens of these people, right,

(02:48:11):
and it still hasn't blown the story wide open.

Speaker 12 (02:48:15):
And I think it's because we continue to move the bar,
and that continual movement of the bar by the community
is really a sign of our fear of probably knowing
the truth, because more than likely that the truth that
doesn't fit within one specific model or paradigm that we've

(02:48:37):
all come up with on our own over the course
of our lifetimes, the truth is probably incredibly different than
what we expected or anticipated to be. And so it's
a really hard thing to look at what you spent
your life in some cases pursuing for that truth to

(02:48:59):
come forward. You have to face that truth and what
it means for your life and the years that you
spend on the topic. And so I think that's why
we continue, as a society or as a community, we
continue to move the bar on what disclosure looks like.

Speaker 1 (02:49:16):
And as long as they keep pushing that bar, we're
never going to be able to reach it right, Which is.

Speaker 12 (02:49:21):
Why I've said time and time again we have to
stop saying when are we going to have disclosure and
instead collectively agree on what disclosure looks like, define it,
don't move the bar, and then when we get there
we've reached disclosure, what is the next phase, What is

(02:49:43):
the next step? What do we call the next thing?
An interpretation and understanding, a deeper understanding, so on and
so forth. But as so long as we continue to
move the bar of what disclosure is, we will never
reach disclosure.

Speaker 1 (02:49:58):
Well. And the fact is we can even agree on
what disclosure is. My disclosure is full disclosure. I want
that Pandora's box that is sitting in the middle of
the Pentagon somewhere opened up. I want to know what's
true what's not. Did Eisenhower meet with aliens and trade
humans for technology? Did Bob Lazar work at Area fifty one?

(02:50:22):
Were there surviving aliens at the Roswell crash? Is j
Rod Real Okay, like, there are all these questions that
in my world for disclosure, let's get to it. Remember,
like a lot of people crap on Bob Lazar, Okay,
a lot of people do, but they've never denied that

(02:50:44):
he'd never worked there. Nobody has come out and said
Bob Lazar did not work here.

Speaker 12 (02:50:54):
Well, I think because of doing so, they would have
to admit that here exists at the time.

Speaker 1 (02:51:00):
Yes, but since that happened, since Area fifty one was
made formal from Barack Obama, right, we nobody has come
out to say there's no record of Bobblasar working here.

Speaker 12 (02:51:16):
But he's specifically worked at S four as they claimed
as four true.

Speaker 1 (02:51:22):
True. But that's another one of those one of those scenarios.

Speaker 12 (02:51:26):
But that's what I'm saying, Dave, Like you rattled off
like seven or eight different aspects of you know, the
investigation of the phenomena that's over the last twenty seconds.
We have to write those things down. We have to
collectively agree. You know, maybe somebody needs to buy disclosure
dot com. And we start compiling a list of all

(02:51:48):
the things we need answers to in order to call
us full disclosure. And as we get those answers. We
linked to the information where the answers were given. Until
we get there, we're never gonna be able to politicly breath,
kick the focun we'll be.

Speaker 4 (02:52:04):
Able to move.

Speaker 1 (02:52:05):
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