Oct. 8/25 - Cryptid Stories with Christian MacLeod - Spaced Out Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello and welcome to the radio and podcast side of
spaced Out Radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott. We
got a great show of cryptid and weird talk tonight
from americancryptids dot com. We have Christian McLoud hanging on
out with us. We're in roll call on our YouTube
side right now, so bear with us. We're close to

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the show starting as we next say hello to let's
see here. We said hello to all of them, and
there's PARAMARV because he's pretty awesome, and uh, I think
we're caught up. We're actually caught up right now. Hard
to believe, Hard to believe. Yes, tomorrow night on the show,

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Sweet Robbie g will be filling in for me as
host for Science Bob and Friends, so that will be
cool and you guys will enjoy that show. But for
tonight we're gonna have some fun with Christian coming up
here momentarily. Hey, thank you for the super chat so
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Are you ready to hear your mister, Voice of the Knights.

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He's here.

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The quiet, he is ready, useless. Let's point our.

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Ears tools so we can come in. Knives went together.

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people thrown in American cryptid hunter Christian McLeod joins us
for what we call a little ditty around here called well,
we'll just call it. I don't know Christian, because he's
just Christian. I got nothing for him today. This guy's
just bad news, bad bad news. And I say that

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with all due respect and love to him. That's for
sure our number three. We'll actually have Swamp Dweller tonight,
because you guys will be happy that after last night Snaffu,
I actually recorded Swamp Dweller for tonight's show. Then in
hour three, after Swamp Dweller, Robin Haynes will be here
for the Q and A. So if you're in one
of our audience memberships like X, like YouTube, or anywhere

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else on social media, you can ask questions for Robin
and we'll get them answered right off the bat. Let's
go for it right now. Christian McLeod is the director
and lead investigator of ACAPS. Has over twenty five years
of experience investigating crypti at paranormal activities, with a passion
for studying preserving the Native American tribe, culture, folklore, and legends.

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He also knows about dealing with topics such as the
occult UFOs, Forbidden Archaeology, the Freemasons, Knights, Templar, Secret Societies,
and much more. He holds a bachelor's level degree in
psychology at a minor in criminology from the University of
South Florida and has an Advanced Masters of Arts and
Teaching degree from Western Carolina University. Yeah, this guy's pretty smart.

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He's also one of our good friends here on spaced
Out Radio. He joins us each and every month to
talk some monsters and legends. Christian McLeod, it's great to
have you back on spaced Out Radio. How you doing, my.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Friend, and it's great to be back. How you been.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Busy man, very busy? You know, it just seems like
everywhere I turn, I'm running into work. You ever get those.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Days, unfortunately, and I try to avoid them.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, they're not fun, but you know what, I'm having
fun and that's all that matters. I gotta, I gotta.
I'm in a little bit of a conundrum right now
because you know, with Tim James are my former UFO
reporter going on the on the DL as we use
a sports term there or injured reserve, whatever you want

(05:16):
to use. Okay, I'm having to rebuild my team for
flight twenty one, because that's not an area that you
want to go out alone in. You know what I'm saying,
it's too.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Dangerous, all of the stuff you've seen.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
I'd be, honestly, I'd be very apprehensive about going out
there alone.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
That to me, that place is too hot to handle.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I agree with you. I agree with you, So you
can't go out there. No. So I'm kind of in
a crunch time here, And the reason why I am
is because we're running out of time. We have a
time limit here, and I don't know whether I should
shut it down for the year and just say, you

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know what, let's get Tim healed up, hopefully he'll be
able to be back next year, or do I take
the winter and take some time to build a proper
team because I would like to have like four maybe
five people maximum out there at any time, you know.
So there's all of this stuff that I'm thinking of doing,

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and it's running through my head. And what it means
is I'm not getting out to fight twenty one. So
I don't have any good stories to go along with
that right now.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Well, I mean, sometimes you just got to bite the
bullet and you know, and just sit back and maybe
do some warmchair researching. So you can't go out there alone.
It's just it's not smart, you know that. So I mean,
maybe that's time to just go over and compile some
more data, go through some stuff you already have.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know, sometimes when I get a.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Situation quite like that, I start going through my older
stuff and then I find stuff that I haven't looked
at in some of the old files and things like that.
And then sometimes what I'll do is just you know,
kind of look from the back down and see how
it goes.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
But that's a rough You're in a difficult position, man.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Like I said, well as close to ivy up there, Dave,
I think we should have your your support family here.
Just get a travel budget made and I'll just fly
back and forth every weekend.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Hey man, I would love for you to do that,
no problem, I would love for you to do That's ready.
I'm good, you know, I'm just I'm debating what to do.
I really am. And you know it's not like you
could just put a I mean I guess you could.
You could put an ad on Facebook, like one of
the local places say hey, look, I'm looking for a

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videographer or I'm looking for you know, but I'm probably
I got good friends here that are you know, have
the kind of the metaphysical store here, and I know
the dude at the tattoo shop he did my last
tattoo a couple of years ago of a bigfoot walking
through the trees on my ankle. And I'm I'm thinking

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of maybe just seeing if they wouldn't mind if I
posted a little bit of a list there, right.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
You know, Well, the problem is, dude, And I'll tell
you I kind of went through this because when I
was starting, you know, I always went solo and everything,
which is the dumbest thing you can do. And I'll
be the first one admit that, but well, I was
putting a team together. I advertised I was dumb enough
to my real phone number out there, and that was
Oh that was a mistake, man. So you gotta be

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careful with that because you don't know who you're going
to attract. I'm to this day, I still get people
I had. I had someone ask me tonight if they
if they could like intern. I mean, I seem to
think it's like a paid position. I don't know how
that well with that rumor started.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
But it's not the problem with a project like Flight
twenty one though, my friend is it's time commitment. Mm hm,
you know with you know, with the sun starting to
set earlier and earlier, and then you know November when
there's the time change, you know, because let's face it,
you could only you know, cut six inches off a blanket,

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so it on top to think you're going to get
more daylight, right, Yes, I mean it's ridiculous, but that's
for another argument for another day. But nonetheless, it is.
It is something that is on my mind continually now
because I could feel the area like kind of saying
to me. And I got to talk to Robin about
this a little bit later when she's in hour three

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and if you want to stick around with her Christian,
you're more than welcome to.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I have to harass her, so I must.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, but you know I can feel the area saying
pretty much to me, when are you coming back? Why
haven't you been here? When are you coming back?

Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's yeah, see, that's you know, that's because you've kind
of you connected with that area, you know, and you
know it's been good to you, and they probably like you,
I don't you know, I'm just guessing.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
It's it's been. It's been a whirlwind, man, it really has,
you know, I mean, first and foremost, we we definitely
need we definitely need my you know, Tim to get healthy,
you know.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I mean, that's what I'm saying, Man, that's our rough
and I can't even imagine what he's going through.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, and you know that kind of worries me.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
And I just basically said to him, you know, like
any when you're ready to come back, if you ever
get ready to come back, the door is open. The
door is open. Like I'm not closing the door on
him at all. Right, So you know a lot of
people are you know, even yourself said, you know, why
don't you do you know, any type of of research

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from from a distance with Flight twenty one. You can't
because we're not investigating the plane crash site, the plate.
We know the plane crash site was the cause. Okay,
we but you can't study the effects from afar, you
know what I'm saying. Like, there's nobody else who's had

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that we know of. We still think at twenty eighteen,
we did the first the first ever paranormal investigation there.
There has never been a paranormal investigative report that we
can find online or from anybody out there prior to
twenty eighteen. And so there's no you know, there's no

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information about Bigfoot out there. There's no information about the
UFO activity out there because nobody lives out there. You're
thirty miles into the forest, right, So I.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Don't think that's the other Probably most people can't comprehend
that kind of distance. Dave, like, you know, when he's
talking about going thirty miles into the fort.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
You're in there.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah, there's nothing, there is nothing. There's no cell phone.
I don't know if you have a cell phone.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, we don't.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Nothing works that The radio and MASSOUPI doesn't work when
you go in that dog. I mean, it's just it
doesn't work. I've got I've got a ham operator, Ham
Raise you operator and one of my I've got two
or three. My phones won't even work out there, or
my radios won't even work out there. There's just there's
no line of sight. You get the mountains absorbing all
the signals and there's none you can do. I mean,

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you're you're out there, and people.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Well, I'm just you know what, I'm just kind of
bummed over it, you know, because Tim and I were
just having so much fun out there, so much fun.
And I really hope that he can come back. I really,
I really hope that happens. But I'm going to come
up with a game plan here pretty quickly, probably uh,
starting on the weekend here, I'm I'm going to be Uh.

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I got a real cool thing happening. So tomorrow night
on the show. My good friend Rob g my my
partner in crime here at s R. He's going to
be hosting for me tomorrow night with Science Bob and friends.
Excuse me, And I'm gonna go really, I'm gonna take

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a forty eight hour relaxation before coming back for the
next show. And I am going to be going to
a rock concert with my partner and my daughter and
my son. And I'm going to say, we're gonna go
see the rock band Hailstorm.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
I did. I love them.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, We're gonna go see them, and and uh we
got to make the uh got to make the four
and a half hour drive tomorrow to see them. That's okay,
got the hotel room and and you know who's opening
for them, virtuoso violinist Lindsey Sterling.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Get at you really?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, Like, how wicked is that going to be? It's
going to be amazing.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
She did some work with the Three Tenors and it
was awesome. Yeah, they did a Queen cover who Wants
to Live Forever? And she made that that, I mean
just totally gave it.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I am so pumped up. I already said to my son,
I said, are you ready to get your horns up
tomorrow night? And He's like, I'm ready, Dad, I'm ready
do it. Oh yeah, yeah, he likes his rock and roll,
he really does. Like all right, enough about me, Christian,

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am my whining for tonight?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
You're whining?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
All right, let's get let's get to you here because
a lot of people may be tuning into you for
the first time. This is a lifelong passion for you,
investigating the paradormal and supernatural for you, Why do you
do it?

Speaker 4 (14:46):
I honestly don't know. I'm not that smart. I guess
it's just I'm dumb. I keep falling into the same
trap over and over again.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
When I was a kid, I was I was kind
of exposed to it when I was a little kid,
and I'm just always I wanted to know more where
I'm from. I'm from a small town in Maine called York,
and that place I think Stephen King was just when
he was writing any of his books, he just thought
of that town because it was just creepy. It's historic,

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it's founded in sixteen twenty. There was graveyards in everyone's
front yard. I mean, it's just one of those places.
Of course, our house, we had some kind of activity
in there, and everyone everyone that I knew, had the
same thing. So it's just kind of something I guess
I was born into, born with. It's just the way
it is because my mom, it's kind of fat. My
mom doesn't believe in the pair noormal, but she believes

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in the ets. And that's funny to me because you know,
she was there when stuff was happening in our house,
and she used to blame me or my sister. But
you know, I think we'd have things disappear, like there'd
be a plate that would go managed from the kitchen
end up in the barn, you know, fifty yards down
the street with you know, on the hayloft, in the hayloft,
and we didn't go off there. There's no reason for it,

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but that's where we'd find stuff. It was just weird,
weird stuff like that. So I grew up with that
kind of been telling that that's just normal. And ever
since then, I've just been looking for answers.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Do you have a lot of fun with this?

Speaker 4 (16:10):
This is some last you know, I'm like you, I'm
not gonna sit down and get well, I'm gonna laugh.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
You know, something happens is funny. I'm gonna laugh about it.
But you know, it's it's it is. You have to
have fun with it.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
You know, I've got Christina, Uh, that my better half
that I do my research with. I've got a great team,
We've got tiny, We've got a few other people, and
we all have the same mindset, you know, first rule
of safety and second rules have fun and then if
we record it, we're lucky. And that's just the way
it is. But you're gonna have fun with If you don't,
you don't want to burn yourself out in this. I've

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seen people do that. I've also seen people and I
know you have to. People put themselves in situations where like, uh,
you know, they have to have new material every week,
and you know that that's fine and Danny.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
But sometimes you're.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Just not gonna have anything, you know, it's just you know,
you got what you got and then you've got your
archives and things like that.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
But anyone that has to make a living.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
At this, I I would tell them where anyone wants
to make a living at this, I tell them, well,
you got a job to pay for it. So, you know,
my my accountant was telling me I lose about eight
grand a year doing this between travel and uh just
investigations and things to do, just simple stuff car meting

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and things like that.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
And uh, you know, I wouldn't change it. It's you know,
I kind of build it in the budget.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
And of course I'm like I said, I'm lucky enough
to have a uh love my life to do it
with me, so I don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Well, I appreciate you calling me your love of your life.
I know, stop it I do with me, you I know. Christina.
Christina sneaks in there right now and again she actually
did her hair for this show, which is nice for
once she did.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
She just got her hair all dead today. Looks fabulous.
I get.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Anyway, we should you know, the the attitude that this
is all out there that this is all put together
and that we're just not seeing, you know, this giant
kaleidoscope of paranormal events that happened all around us. I mean, realistically,
a lot of people don't believe that it's just there.

(18:16):
You don't have to be at a haunted location. You
don't have to be you know, in a in a
farmer's field in the middle of the night to watch UFOs.
It just happens, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
It does. I had some of the most active UFO.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Activity I've ever seen was in Tampa, like you know,
just over the Bay, you know, on a Friday Saturday night,
just two o'clock one is just stuff flying all over
the place. Of course you have the military base and
you know the airport there, but I mean the way
things were flying that you straight up down boom boom boom.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I mean, it's just it's just crazy stuff.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
We used to see it there a lot, you know,
and then again out in the middle of nowhere sometimes
you see these things. I think another time I did
the Stagebrush Range trail a few years ago in Nevada,
a few years about five ten years ago, Nevada, and
I can't remember him so old now, but at night
you would we'd be on horseback doing the stage trash

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at night and you just look up and there's stuff
just doing like Ariel, I mean, you can't explain it.
So yeah, I'm with you. I think it's everywhere. I
think it's always been everywhere. I think people are just
now getting to the point where the governments are starting
to be realistic with us and we may get the truth,

(19:31):
and I hope we do.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I think a lot of people think, well, if they
tell the truth about this, then that destroys the religion
for the world. I disagree. I disagree. You know, God
created all things seen and unseen, so that's the way.
That's all you have to do is say to fix that.
So that's how I shut down people like that. And
it's the same thing with cryptids. You know, you can't

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tell me it's going to bring about the end of
the world, because there's there's a cryptid that's got human
DNA that we've.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Just now began to recognize.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
So what we find ten thousand species a year, most
of them are little insects and germs, But you know,
that's that's what happens.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's it's called, you know, growing up and paying attention.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
So when people say, oh, it's gonna be the end
of this, the end of that, it's it's you know,
all those people just there. I hate saying it. They're
just not educated, bro. They just got to have an
open mind. You have to twenty twenty five on twenty
twenty six, you gotta you gotta think a little outside
the box.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I want to hit you up on that because you
mentioned something that we we do find about ten thousand
species a year new, but they're all microbial, small bugs.
We don't find any big creatures anymore that we know of. Okay,
you know, I'm curious when it comes to cryptids, bigfoot,

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dog man, goat man, and all of these weird, strange
things that we like to chase down. Let's say we
were able to prove their existence outside of our own sightings.
Would we then labeled them as an animal or a
different species rather than cryptid.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Man's you know? For all you know, they've been around
longer than us. You know.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Uh, they could have had all the technology we have
and they decided to walk away from it and go
live in the woods.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
We don't know. I mean, but if you know, I
have to.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
I still look at that that that Melbourne study, you know,
on the DNA study, and you know exactly what I'm
talking about it.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
You have just as much inside on that that I do.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
You know, I still think, you know, I know a
lot of people don't say naphlo, but I still think
there's some kind of connection there.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Whether it's naphlim or not, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
I still think that that's there, you know, I still
think that's Yeah. I think there's some kind of biblical
connection in there. I really do. But uh, I don't know.
I guess if we could communicate with them, like if
they knew exactly what we were saying and they know
what we know they're saying, then we'd have to just
call them, you know, their own species, like they'd have
to have you know, we're Homo sapiens, and you know,
maybe they'd be something else. You know, you know, they're

(22:12):
SAFEI and home. I mean, I don't know, I mean,
they're you know, definitely you know part eight. You know,
I just think that, you know, they're just in a
different evolutionary branch than us. But I still think they're
just as much part of this world as we are.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
But I think the question is very valid. I mean,
what do you call them?

Speaker 4 (22:33):
I mean, you know, the First Nations calls them, you know,
they call them the first humans, the first people.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
So you know, do we call them that? I mean,
you know what, you know, it.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Just depends, because that that's a real good question, Dave,
that's like a scholarly question.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
You shouldn't answered me. That's too hard for me.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, I understand that, but you're in this realm like
I am, or we're having fun. Is we got about
ninety seconds to go here, and we can continue this
conversation when we return. But I mean, the way I
look at it is there's a lot of conspiracy theory
around these subjects. A lot of conspiracy. Oh the you know,
they're storing bodies at the Smithsonian. The government is using

(23:11):
them for you know, creating all of these weird creatures
out of mon talk back in the day. There's a
lot of you know, conspiracy that just even to a
guy like me, sounds so far fetched. I believe almost anything,
you know, because it's fun to believe. It doesn't hurt
to believe, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Well, no, and no, only that it gives you an
open mind, because you know, look at the Cela Camp.
Everyone thought the Cela Camp was extinct for eighty eighty
million years, and then in the twenties they find it
off the coast of Africa.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
And what's that? That's an extinct fish. You know. Christina
just showed me a picture today in Alaska.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Guys walking around has got a bald eagle on his
shoulder and it was allegedly an extinct species and there
it is on the shoulder like it's his pet. So
I mean, it's just I don't, I don't we are
so arrogant to assume we know everything that happens. It's like,
you know, I think a lot of the dog man sightings,
I think that's that.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I think that's a branch off of the dire wolves,
you know.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
I mean they just they just Roy Misson remus on
them saw that they just had their one year birthday
and they're sixty pounds at one year. Yeah, and they
you know, and and they're beautiful animals, but what what's
to say that, you know, they could have developed a
different way for other reasons. I mean, you've got monkeys
that live in the water, you or they're in the water.

(24:30):
Half today you've got is it fox or no?

Speaker 3 (24:32):
A bear? I'm sorry as well.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Let's let's continue this when we return from the break.
Christian McLeod, the American cryptid Hunter, coming out with us
each and every month. Right here on spaced out Radio,
we're gonna get more into what are these species we're chasing?
Next on spaced out radio, all right, we're clear quickly here.

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Hi to Mark, Eddie, Paul Demon, how you doing? Ub
to Joe's Mane. You've got aliens? Yes you do? Who
else showed up late? Here? Let's say hello? Next to
Lou Cruz, how you doing? There's the paramarv right there

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doing his due diligence to make everybody happy. Because when
you you know, when you get Christian McLeod unhappy, this
is what happens there is. This is what happens. It's
called the look of disgust. This is the agity of
defeat after a conference.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
You know where that came from.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I know I was sitting right beside you.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
You know why that came about?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh, by.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
These questions for David.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
H.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
You know we're gonna take a nap. You go ahead,
you get it.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
No, you take that question.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
You take, don't worry about me. Let me get some drinks.
I want to do one of these in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
That's I really want to do what those in Vegas
because I think to make us in Vegas doing this
forget about it, and we hire a crew just to
follow us and film everything.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
M hm, that's what I think.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
We could put that out and be like a mockumentary
kind of thing. Give us to sponsor us.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Oh bye, Lidison Jamison's.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, I do have alien tequila and abducted whiskey here,
I do, I see it.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
I have doers right here, and there's some hoes that
quereabout hidden over there.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I've never opened the Any of these bottles here have
never opened.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
You can't open them, man, I paid one hundred.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
And fifty bucks for this one.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
What are you gonna do? You know? It's funny. I
was sawing this guy today. There's a specific bourbon I like.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
It's called Blanton's and then Buffalo Trace makes it, and
it's my favorite bourbon.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
And it used to be thirty bucks a bottle. It
was everywhere.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Well, they got a marketing thing going and it was brilliant.
They cut down the supply chain. So now it's three
hundred bucks of bottle.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Oh wow, you can't get it.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
So I've got a bottle hidden in my underwears are
and I'm afraid to drink it.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Is that clean underwear? Dirty underwear?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
It doesn't matter. That's not that's that's not necessary. You
know the in you know you just have to flip
them every couple of days. You know it's washing. Go,
maybe it's washing. Oh man, a little tafflon on them
and everything's great.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Oh I hear you oy.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Sneaking into the concert?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Right?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
No one just said, sneak your bottle into the concert.
Big Foot Bourbon, Bethlehem, Pa.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Is that a real thing?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
I'm gonna I'm checking right now.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Big Foot Bourbon. I like to try that.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Big Foot bourbon. Let's see here, big Foot bourbon. There
it is. It looks like a bottle of hot sauce
to be blunt. Now hold on that second.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
There's a big hot sauce. It's not as good as
your Taco bell hot sauce. I don't you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Right? I'm almost out of my Taco Bell hot sauce.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Are you can I mail it up to you?

Speaker 5 (29:20):
No?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
We actually actually sell it in the store here. Oh ever,
saw how you doing? I think you need a couple
of more thumb tacks in your wall there saying yeah

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your wall.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Oh well that that's actually bolton board.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
Oh is it? The rest of it's just stuff? Ou
that's it. I'm glad you have fun with that.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I will never let that picture go.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
You should put like an emergency flash on it. We
have an alert, have an alert.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Hi, Nikki and Seattle, how are you? Nice to see you?
And they were caught up. Thank you tonight so far
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(30:54):
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(31:41):
height unknown, weight unknown, just like a wrestler wears a mask,
except he's going looking for monsters. Check him on out
on his website americancryptids dot com. Christian, welcome back. Hold on,
let me get you here. Hold on, there you go. There,
you are good, that we're good. We're having a discussion

(32:02):
about the last half hour about whether or not these uh,
these monsters are going to come to light here man,
you know, and would they would they be named different
creatures or you know, where where do you think you know,
if if we are not finding that larger creatures outside
of the ocean, you know, we're not sitting there finding

(32:23):
a woodly mammoth still or something along those lines. You know,
this is where Bigfoot dog Man kind of come into play.
A number of these cryptids. You know, what do you
think would take to finally bring one to light or
do you think the conspiracy theories of them not being
brought to light are more prevalent than we know.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
I think the only and you know and that that Dave,
that's a that's a darn good question.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I'll tell you what I think.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
The only way you're going to bring one of these
the light is if you've got just unbelievable amount of press.
There's no way can be suppressed. There's people everywhere actually
seeing it. DNA has been taken, hair SAM has been taken.
They run through gen Bank and they say, bam, this
is something completely different. But you just have to have
a huge amount of people behind you, like you couldn't

(33:12):
if you and I were just in the woods and
one guy or or big Wood just walks up and says, hey,
let's let's go talk about you know, us, us coming
out of the woodwork.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Here's metaphorically, uh, what would we do?

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I mean, we'd be like, okay, but how would you
how did you begin to circumvent the government's control over
what's uh, you know released, Because if you think about it,
it would when it happens, it eventually it's gonna happen.
But when it happens, it's gonna be they're gonna have
to prep and they say, listen, we've talked to you know,
all the religious leaders on the planet. You know, the

(33:44):
Pope said this, you know, the Dialoma said this, someone
else said this, you know, whoever runs whatever religious organization
said this is this.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
And I think if you brought it out that way,
then you'd have less problems.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Because I think what you're gonna have fundamentally is when
you find out this thing is half human, and all
you have to do is think about Genesis six.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
You know, they're giants in those days and then after people.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
You know, it can fall right in the line, but
it can also be taken a different way. We're like, okay, well,
if this is here, then you know God made man
and man tell him and who's this guy who made that?

Speaker 3 (34:17):
And is everything real? It just gets to be confusing.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
But I think if you handle it properly and do
the right thing, and you know, and I think they've
done that to this point. I think they've let enough
information out to know that I don't think there'd be
a whole lot of surprises tomorrow. Dave, if if if
you're prime minister or my president got up on the
air and said, okay, yeah, we've got these creatures that

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live in the woods.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
They've been living there before us.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Our government's known about them since pretty much Jeffersonian period.
Canada has probably got more experts on these particular topics
and we'll ever have and these they're just out there,
and that's what it is. If they said that, I
don't think there be any issues. I really don't because
people be like, okay, now what it would do. Basically,

(35:05):
it'd be the you know, the three billion dollars a
year forestry industry would take a hit, and I think
that they'd have to re look at some of the
national parks and then the way those things are right up.
But other than that, I don't think it'd be much
of a big deal. I think it'd be business as usual.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
You know, you got the types they say, well, they
need our protection. The only thing they needed protection is up.
They need to be staying away from us because we're
the only species on the planet. It just seems to
like to destroy everything we get our hands on. So
they're living fine. They just if anything, they just need
to stay away from us. And we need to stay
away from them. But I mean, there's no problem with
acknowledging they live. And I think the same thing for

(35:45):
the dog man Seno Cephali. They're in the historic narrative, man.
I mean, you can't not think that they've been sat Christopher.
When you see the original depictions of Saint Christopher, he.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Was a dog headed man.

Speaker 7 (35:57):
All right, I've I I'm just don't mind to think
they've they've been in the antiquity in what happened is
they just saw the way humans three at each other
and they just probably got discussed and said, you know what,
I'm bailing, I'm out to see you.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
And I think that's what I think, that's what the
vibe was. I really do. They just didn't want to
be around us because we're so destructive.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I think that the more we look at these at
these creatures, you know, it's easy to sit there and say, Okay,
in Australia or New Zealand, the thyla scene might be alive. Okay.
I mean, we haven't seen one physically in ninety years,
but they keep popping up on trail cams and and

(36:41):
ring cameras and home security cameras. Like people are having
sightings of them, you know what I'm saying. And I
think of other creatures along those lines that are probably
still out there. The numbers may not be high, but
they're still out there somewhere. You know, They've just been
pushed out of their own territory. It's like my area

(37:04):
here where I live, it's called the Cariboo. Well, we
don't have any caribou running around here. We don't have
elk running around here. Why Well, due to hunting, but
more so, you know, everybody wants to blame humans, but
more so nature took its course with the moose and
the wolves, chasing these creatures away out of their natural area.

(37:29):
And I'm wondering if that's been happening with a lot
of these creatures.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Well, I mean it's possible, but you know, I like
to go back to the historic narrative. You know, let's
face it.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
You know, Canada, United States, they're both pretty much the
way I look at it, they're identical as far as.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Being settled by Western Europe.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
I mean, at one point everything was one big piece
of English or French territory. And it's just the way
it is. And you know, history can't be rewritten that way.
But I look at it this way, and I don't
disagree with you, But think about this. When seventeen seventy
six has happened, the entire world is basically focused on
the New England colonies. Right What they don't realize, or

(38:13):
what most people don't realize, is that smallpox was not
only hitting South America.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
It was hitting North America.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
It was hitting the Eastern seaboard, it was hitting the
West Coast, and it was decimating not only the Native
American populations. But smallpox is the only virus that will
transmit to a grade eight, and most people don't know that.
So think about this way. If you had that invasive
disease coming in. And I've read stories about Native Americans

(38:41):
in Canada laying down with Bigfoot, you know, in the
same area, to die because they both were afflicted with
smallpox and they just couldn't find help for each other.
They just ended up dying next to each other, which
I think is actually kind of cool because that's a
symbiotic relationship right there, if you think about it. I mean, so,
what kind of relationship did the original natives have before
we came in and screwed everything up. But what if

(39:03):
that disease had swapped species and started killing off everything
and it just took this much time for them to
get back.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
And that's why there's more and more sightings.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
And in America, eighty six percent of the forest is
still intact from day one when we got here.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I can't imagine what it is in Canada.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
I mean, it's it's you guys are just completely you know,
it's all for stuff that's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Like you said, I'm from Maine originally, so when.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
You know, I think of Canada, you know, I think
about the train back home because it's you know, it's
it's almost the same. But I mean, if you think
of all that stuff, it's it's it's it actually fits
the narrative because if we take it out so much
of their population and it took a couple hundred years
from to come back to be back where they were,
that's why you're seeing.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
More of them.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
The other thing is this, and I hear what you're
saying about, you know, the the Alkan stuff, and we
had the same thing in North Carolina happened with them.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
But you know, and I hate to sound.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Like that Jurassic Park movie, but Nature chooses what's going
to happen. You and I can't really do anything about it.
They can put the wolf population back in Yellowstone National
Park and see what happens, and they got lucky. But
the other thing they got to look at is this.
There was so much more food now because of the
fore station before station, because the first thing that happens
when you cut down trees is what grass starts to grow?

Speaker 3 (40:20):
What each grass?

Speaker 4 (40:20):
We've got more white tailed deer in this planet right
now that we ever have any time on this planet's history.
All right, That means the predators for them are there's
more predators for them. So bigger families is so if
bigfoot and dog men eat deer, that's one of their
main food staples, of course you're gonna have more of
a population move. That's just it makes sense. But it
nature provides a way for everything. I firmly believe that.

(40:40):
So I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's very interesting. You wanted to get some stories tonight,
both missing people and other stories. Let's get right to it.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
All right.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Well, we've been very lucky. My mother was actually associated
that she knew Betting and Barney from of course the
Betting Barney Hill incident. He was the male person for
both my dad growing up and my mom grown up
where they lived.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
And my mom actually went to see him.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
He spoke at our church about the induction and things
like that, so she actually used to talk to him
quite often. And I had no idea about this, And
then I started talking to her and Ransom names by her,
and I actually been in contact with some people that
had research that had never been released, and I was like,

(41:33):
we're going to talk a little bit about that, but
I like to go from the inception, because what happens
is the inception to say, like Project Blue Book, it's
all connected, man, it is all connected. You can't talk
about the Betty and Barney Hill without them because there
was more going on than what anyone ever thought.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
And I will talk a.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Little bit about that, and then I've got some people
that have disappeared in the Flash of Mountains from weird circumstances,
when we'll talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
But you know, it's like I said, we run out
of time. We run of time.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
I'll just come back and do another you know that's
a great thing about this. Uh, there's always more time.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Well, do you want to start with Betty and Barney Hill,
or do you want to go right into the start.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
I'm gonna start with if you don't mind, I'm gonna
do a little timeline. We'll get right to Betty Barney Hill,
but I always like give him the timeline. And one
when the UFO Pheno'm gonna start to really take a
huge focal point in the country. And believe it or not,
it starts at the end of World War Two with
the food fighters, and of course, uh, the first use
of nuclear weapons. And one of those why I think

(42:32):
that's important to talk about is I don't think the
say the UFOs are aliens of the visitors were too
worried about us as a species until we started to
split the atom. I think that was a I think
that was a wake up call for rest of the galaxy.
If there is life out there, says we gotta we
gotta do some.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Of these cats.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
These guys are crazy and now somehow they've got the bomb,
you know, and UH, say what you want, I don't.
I don't think a nuclear bomb can uh. I think
a whole I can stop anuclear bomb. So I mean
it's just one of those I feel like, if you
if you saw Independence Day.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Yeah, since we won.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
But I'm just saying that's an awful lot of power
technology to have for such a young species, and I
think that that's one of the problems they had with us.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
And the other thing.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Most people think Roswell was the first incident of UFO report,
that's not true. It was June in nineteen forty seven
the Cascade Mountains. There's a guy named Kenneth Arnold. This
guy reports seeing nine saucer shaped UFOs. This is July,
right or June. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, this is this
is in this June forty seven. So he sees this,

(43:39):
and this goes global, This goes all over the world
bdo wise, and everyone's talking about it, and then it's
kind of hushed up and then a little something happens
on July fourth, nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
According to Colonel J.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Corso, that's when the real Roswell incident happens, all right,
So July fourth is when it happens.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Now, there's there's a.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Thought for process that there was two craft or one
large craft that actually got cut in half and went
two different ways. I've heard that myself. I honestly don't
know how true that is. It would not surprise me
either way. It really wouldn't. But when July fourth happens
in forty seven and Roswell hits, people start to start

(44:20):
thinking a little more about this because what happens on
July seventh, it's officially announced that there was an extraterrestrial crash,
and then that goes global, and then of course, you know,
there's the whole skull about about how it was a
weather balloon.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
And all this other stuff they try to cover it up.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
But what's interesting to me is that aircraft or whatever
it was on July seventh, that wreckage actually leaves. It
gets picked up in New Mexico. It gets taken a
fort Blitz, Texas, all right. Then they take out what
they think is the best parts of that specific wreckage
and then they reroute it to Fort Riley and can

(45:00):
all right, and this is where they had an EBE
electrical extra tiscal biological entity and they called him. His
codename was Fred. Now well, actually Fred gets dripped off
at UH. He's dropped out for the research in Fort Riley,
and apparently this is where he spends a next decade

(45:21):
of his life. We i've heard so many different stories
about that, but this is the guy with the video
when he talks about eating ice cream, like strawber ice
cream is his favorite.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
I don't know if you guys remember watching that, but.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
There was a video that came out years ago and
it was largely government released that's allegedly Fred.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Whether or not that's sure or not or disinformation, we
don't know. It's just one of those things we're not
coming out.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
But then eventually all roads lead to right Patterson in Ohio,
and that's where the wreckage ends up. Now, from right
to Patterson, this is where Colonel Corso says, they start
to do the reverse engineering.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
And then he's given the job.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Of basically distributing the different technology used to different companies,
research companies, and colleges. And this is where all this
is actually. This is where velgrow comes from. This is
where CD technology comes from. This is where the circuit,
you know, the circuit comes from, the chip, this is
where all this comes from has been reverse engineered. So

(46:17):
he gives us out and he's under orders to give
it out to certain areas and he distributes it.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
And now what's.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Interesting about this is, if you think about it, look
at the jump we made from forty seven to basically,
what was it fifty three when we're doing you know what,
Mock three with Chuck.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeger, Mack one with Chuck Yeger. But it was right
after that they designed the Mock three three.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
They went from a proper driven airplane that was still
the most The Hellcat was the fastest air propeller driven
plane in the air. It was four and thirty four
miles an hour top speed. They go from four thirty
four to basically Mock two in less than three years,
and I've got a completely different uh design, completely different navigations,

(47:02):
everything's different.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Where'd that tech come from?

Speaker 4 (47:05):
You can't tell me that was just O, we figured
that out or oh, they say, well the Nazis had
it first. Yeah, the Nazis had rocket tech, but they
were solid boost rockets. They actually had to land. No,
they actually had to land on gear to land. Most
people don't realize that, but that's that's how the that's
how the Nazis were doing their rocket programs. When the
X ones come out, they're they're a great power source,

(47:26):
but they don't have a whole lot of distance in them,
and they're hard to control. So I mean, even then,
that's still years away from where we should be technology was.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It's just we made so many jumps.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
In that a middle, a little forget, a bit old
time in that gap. There's no there's got to be
a reason for it. And I'm a firm believer. Corso
puts it together. I've said this before, I say it again. Guys,
if you get one book and you want to read
anything the day after Roswell.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I've had this thing for fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
I don't know how many times I've quoted it, and
there's parts of this book that still when I read it,
it scares me. Also tells you exactly what grays are
and why we should be scared of them.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
It's just brilliant. But all this.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Technology is, you know, basically reverse engineered. And then you
have September eighteenth, nineteen forty seven, the National Security Act
number forty seven, and that gives way to the birth
of the Air Force. And when that happens, all this
money and everything's transferred. The Air Force takes over all

(48:27):
of the basic information and reports that are given pretty
much globally to UFOs, and that's when you start having
a little something called Jane app now Jane App has
created after the Air Force has made and that's.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
The Joint Army Navy publication about unknown Aircraft.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
And when that happens, basically what they do is the
Army Navy just kind of give all that information and
research to the Air Force because you know, that's pretty
much part of their mandate right now. And from Jane App.
The other thing that comes out of that is the
possible birth of what we like to call the MIBs.

(49:07):
Is that's when they're actually giving government uh government official
money and contracts to do what they need to do
to keep things either hush hush or top secret. And now,
why would you have a group of individuals that go
around telling people they didn't see what they thought they saw.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Always seems to happen that way, right, But if you.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Think about it, it's total control. Right.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
What's more controlling than fear, fear of moving your livelihood,
fear of jail, fear of losing your licensure, fear of
you know, fear of losing all your money everything. And
who's the only entity that can do that to you,
h government? I mean, that's it. I can't think of
anyone else I can recollect the government, So it all
makes sense to me. It's actually it falls righty into place.

(49:54):
Now the Joint the Joint Task Force allegedly becomes the
Majestic twelve. Now Majestic twelve is a very interesting group
of people. You have, oh my goodness, here, you have
an admiral in there, you have various doctors, you have
a Secretary of the Navy.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Forest All in there.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I mean, you've got Vanderberg, You've got Huntsecker, You've got Sewers,
You've got Gray, you Mitchell, you've got Montague, you've got everyone.
You've got every basically every player in the military when
it comes to technology involved in this. And I'm sure
you know what happens to Forrest all right, this Secretary Navy.
He says, hey, we can't keep this from the public.

(50:37):
We need to let it go, and he went suicide.
You know, three days after he says that, in Bethesda, Maryland,
jumps out of a twelve story window its hospital and
his room looks like they had like a war zone
in there. And there's scuff marks all over the window
from where you know, it's just stuff like that. But
this continues to happen, and I think it still happens today.
But in nineteen fifty two, Majestic twelve becomes well, we

(51:00):
all know this Project blue Book, and then there's an introducing,
there's person, there's a person introduced there. But in total,
Blue Book investigates twelve six hundred and eighteen cases. Think
about how many cases that is, twelve six hundred and
eighteen cases, and they do that all in a couple

(51:22):
of years. But there's one gentleman that gets pulled into
this right in the beginning. His name is Jay Allen Heinek.
I'm sure every everyone's for sure with him, everyone's familiar
with him, right.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
He's a father modern youthology.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
This guy's a physicist from Ohio, and he gets pulled
into this, and what they want him to do is
basically tell people that it's not UFOs, it's not advanced technology,
it's swamp guys, it's this, it's that, anything but the truth.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
And he goes on to pretty much do a real
good job of that. And then you have the first
abduction case, that's Betty.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
And Barney Hill, and then of course Heinek gets involved
with this. But what's interesting about Betty and Barney Hill
is after they come back and they realized something had
gone on with them and they had lost time, and
Betty's got a course of staying on her dress and
Barney's got a few injuries he doesn't know how he gets,
and they go through reverse hypnosis. This becomes a global issue.

(52:20):
And why I say global issue, the Federal VIEWAU Investigations
in the CIA is in on there, doing background on it.
The government the Blue Book's doing. Air Force is all in,
the KGB is in on this, I six is in.
Every government agency is in on this, and it's never
talked about. Those documents are never released until many, many

(52:41):
years later. But what's fascinating about this is you would
never realize that these two people coming back from Canada
over the White Mountains in New Hampshire just get pulled
up for two hours and what happens to them and
regret and when they discuss it in reverse hypnosis, it's
fascinating in's fact they actually have conversations with these entities.
I mean, there's actually a book Betty's trying to get

(53:02):
because in this book it explains why humanities here, how
it started.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Blah blah blah, pretty much every question you can imagine.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
But then they only said that to calm her down,
and then when they put her back, she goes into
hypnosis and they take the book from her. But I mean,
you don't ever hear about stuff like this. Now. Unfortunately,
Barney dies I think was he dying sixty nine? Yeah,
Barney dies a lot earlier than Betty, and the investigation
still to this day continues. But it's fascinating because after

(53:31):
they get abducted, the story goes public and they're missing
two hours and they just couldn't figure it out.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
So everyone knows what happened to them, and they want
to know what happened.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
And what they do basically is they become pretty much
globally famous under hypnosis. And if your viewers really want
to watch a good hypnosis, you can see that on
the YouTube and it's the original recordings and it's them,
and you see Betty and Barney screaming about being separated,

(54:03):
and then you see them being put back together after
a little while, and Betty's watching Barney basically get examined
medically by these things.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
And then Barney has you know, he has an issue
with when he gets.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Violent, and then they kind of drug him out and
then she starts to talk to one of them, and
this whole conversation goes on, but then she's shown a
map of art galaxy.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Absolutely, let's hold on. Let's hold on because we do
have to go to break here. And when we continue
with Christian McLoud, we're going to get into the story
and the timeline of Betty and Barney Hill. It's probably
one of the most famous abductions. It happened about almost
sixty plus years ago now, and people to this day

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with us talking Betty and Barney Hill. Hey, why don't
you fill us in on the timeline? Christian? Continue? Oh
one second here, buddy, there were all right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Got okay?

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
When Betty and Barney Hill go public, it becomes a
global phenomena and most people don't realize.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
But James Earl Jones stars in a movie betraying Barney Hill.
I think I can't remember what it's called. It's linked.
It's on my web page.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
But there's actually a movie about Betty and Barney Hill
and James Earl Jones plays the point of Barney and
it's awesome because it's like you see you get see
Darth Vader playing in an abduct gate earlier on in his career.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
It's actually kind of cool.

Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
Now the government documents that proved that this was of
a real interest are very much sealed up and we're
not released when they do get When some of them
get released, they actually get released to the University of
New Hampshire, of all places. Now, this is where Betty
and Barney both went. I know Betty went there. I
believe Barney went there as well. But they all go
to the University of New Hampshire and they have them

(01:03:56):
in their archives to this day. And if you do
contact the artivists over there that they will tell you
how to get copies of some of this stuff. It's
actually it's not as easy as you think. But some
of the other documents that we were able to obtain
have never been released, and what those are Those are interesting.
Now we are still actually getting some of those translating

(01:04:17):
because some of them are in Russian. Because there was
CAGYB files and that's that's also fascinating a home in
their aspect. But the United States goes into such depth
about this whole abduction day that they actually get a
weather report from Ashville and base the possibilities of UFO
siting off of that, and then they go into different reports.

(01:04:39):
We have one here from where's this one from P's
Air Force Base during a conversation on twenty two September between.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Major Gardner Reynolds and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Robert Odherty, the commander, and it gives all this information
about where they are, what they're doing. They say that
there's definitely a possible relationship between the abduct and what
they saw and what they say is actually happening.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
And that's that's from the military. That's that's that was
never released.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
And that's incredible because it's a complete event timeline on
what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
And like I said, there's more here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
The cool thing that there's actually evidence that right Patterson
in Ohio, the the holders of the you know, sacred
key of ufology, if she'll we say, from Oswell, they
put a whole bunch of people in on this and
try to get as much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Information as they can.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
They actually send people down to Portsmouth, New Hampshire, via
P's Air Force base to go and talk to these
people and nice to brief them and get as much
information out as a ken And at first they're not
really willing to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
But then Barney, you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Know, he sees a diehard American, He's like, you know,
this is for the benefit of the country. He goes, okay,
we'll talk about it. And they start having these conversations.
But some of the conversations that they have are are
so out there that they actually get put on a
watch list by the government. So they are constantly in
a constant con surveillance, constant at all times since this

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comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
When this comes out, they are under constant surveillance.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
Either on their phone, their mail, or they're driving to
with their job, whatever they do, they're under constant surveillance.
And it's completely denied at this point in time. And
then years and years later, of course, you find the
proof that says, oh no, this is real, this really happened.
We were following them, we want to know exactly what
was going on. And the other thing they were worried about,
believe or not, they were worried about the Russians either

(01:06:30):
bribing them or kidnapping them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Now, think about that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
If this was no big deal, Dave, why would that
being concerned for the federal goverm United States back then?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
I agree with you on that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
This is the mid sixties, man, all this stuff going
on the government's worried about two guys that or two
people that say they got abducted in the White Mountains,
you know, in sixty one. That to me is terrifying
because why would they put so much time and effort
into it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
I don't don't know, I don't know, you know. But
there was also a bunch of blinders thrown up as
people tried to break this story. I mean, there was
a lot of negative feedback around this that they that
they were, you know, making this story up, that they
were not telling the truth. They were looking for some
sort of fame because they were an interracial couple during

(01:07:23):
a time when interracial couples were extremely frowned upon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Well, I mean, i'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
I'll talk about that they where they lived in ports
of New Hampshire, except I was born in actually in Portsmouth.
I'm from Maine, but I was born in forts from
hospital because they didn't have a hospital from the town.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
I was in, But I don't think that was much
of an issue there.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
I really don't very very open minded people, very very
devout yet coolicism, a lot of Catholics, a lot of Piscopalians,
a lot of Southern Baptists, or a lot of Baptists.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
So I think they were very very given, very very.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Kind of people because, like I said, my mom never
had a bad word to say about either one of them,
and neither did my grandparents on either side, and my
dad's parents were a little bit, but my mom's friends
complete opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
They were just very very kind to everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:08:13):
But I don't think that was an issue specifically for
where they lived because he had done so much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Barney did a lot for that area. He was.

Speaker 4 (01:08:20):
He was a community activit. He helped clean up some areas,
He helped with a lot of political things.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
He was.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
He was a very well respected man. He was a
post office guy in Boston, so I actually worked in Boston.
He lived in Portsmouth, so he was he was a
very you know, very well phought up person. But it's
funny is because we have when I talk about the watchlift,
one of the people on the watch list is actually
the mutual UFO Network.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Which is wofuon and they.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Were on the watch list because of the Betting and
Barney Hill issue, which I find is fascinating because they
sent a couple of letters to and want to know
what happened and all these letters. By the way, if
you get the archives U n H they have it
is they did.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Such a good job organizing this stuff, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
They have everything, and it's all sequential order, and it's
all pretty I mean, it's all right there and they
send it to But it's fascinating because you can you
can just look at it and you can read the
story and you can see where things happen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
UH.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
And a lot of people don't like talking about it,
especially if you know they're working in the government.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
But we have we have paperwork and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Like I said, we're still going on UH and and
having translated.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
But there's there's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
One thing that Betty and Barney both agreed on and
this this came about after UH, Betty goes under hypnosis.
You know, Stan Friedman was involved with that. I'm not
sure if you're aware of that, right. Freedman was involved
with the hypnosis. And this is when you know this
is a nuclear physicist and in his point in time
when he's coming out and doing this UFO stuff that

(01:09:54):
was detrimental to him, that was detrimental. He uh, you know,
this is guy, he's got to have top security clearing.
This is a guy who's helping to you know, to
build nuclear power plants. And he comes up and starts
talking about UFOs and abductees things that he do believes in,
and you know, this becomes an issue for them later on.
But he gets involved with the reverse hypnosis on Betty

(01:10:14):
and Barney. They have same stories, but under hypnosis they
both draw, you know, identical what we would call the grays.
But Betty goes to an extent where she draws the
map of our Milky Way, and what she does is
she draws the whole thing, but she does it upside
down from a different point of view. And what happens

(01:10:36):
is Stan Friedman's looking at it and he goes, well,
this doesn't look right, and he's looking at a map
of our Milky Way, and then he flips it over
and he transposes it and it's both perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
And then they even show extra.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Planets outside our you know, realm of existence and knowing
what's out there, you know, the ones past Polluto and
things of that nature, which we find are true today.
So it's just fascinating all this information comes up, but
nobody is discussed seeing the fact that every government in
the world wants to get a hold of these people,
uh and and basically squeeze them for information. And that's

(01:11:07):
that's why I think it's fantastic. That's fascinating because you've
never heard that. It was it was you're you're absolutely right,
it was. It was it was about you know, attention,
It was about this, It was about that. But if
it was just about this, we would have these documents.
And what I'm planning to do is once they get
everything translated, and once we get everything the way we
want on the website, we're probably going to upload all

(01:11:28):
this stuff and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
That's never been seen. This came from a family source,
so the stuff we have no one's ever seen. So
that's actually a very fascinating fact.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
When we first talked about this, we had a little
issue with a government agency. We were I don't know
if I ever told you about this, but this is
the first time we ever had any real issue. I
was discussing this topic at a par con and uh,
there was actually some federal agents in the audience, and

(01:11:57):
they identified themselves. They showed their identification, and they wanted
to know where I got this information. Because this woman's
exact words, where I have I have clearance? What was
her clearance?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
She said?

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
She out hue she had Justice Apartment clearance and she
could get anything, and she couldn't get this information. And
she wanted to Uh and uh, you know, after you
that was me. I had some nice comments for but uh,
we we actually had some issues after that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
And uh and to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
The point where we had uh I had him stolen. Uh,
we lost computers. Uh, they were fried.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
I took my computer to an expert computer uh guy
uh in the police department, and he's you know, he's
fairly trained. And I handed my computer and said, can
you tell me what happened to this thing? He calls
me back two days later, he goes, I don't know
what happened to this. I've never seen this. There's absolutely
nothing in here. The hard drive was completely one hundred
percent wife. He goes, it looks like it's brand new,

(01:12:54):
because I never heard of something like this happening. And
it was all after we started talking about this so
very very interesting topic.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
And even though it's right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
It's been the sixty I was almost sixty something years
old over that, you know, it's gone off forever. But
we still don't have the truth. And that's why we're really,
you know, spending time on this. But there's one thing
I would like to conclude this with, because we're we're
you know, I don't want to run.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Along on you. But there's a comment made by Philip Corso.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
And again this is the guy that wrote this is
one of the best books ever the day after Oswell, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
He comments on this whole thing all right. Now, this
is a guy who was involved with it basically too.
I mean, he was the one.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
He was the one that said, now we got to
be a little more quiet about the way we're handling this.
And he says, this is the way he's talking about
the ets that abducted Betty and Barney Hill. This is
what he says about them, this is what this is
how he ends this whole story. He says, these creatures
weren't benevolent beings that had come to enlighten human beings.
They were genetically altered humanoid automatons. Plume biological entities actually,

(01:13:57):
who were harvesting biological specimens on Earth for their own experimentation.
As long as we were incapable of defending ourselves, we
had to allow them to intrude and do as they wished. Now,
to me, that's that's terrifying, because this guy's basically on
the top notch of national security and he's saying there's

(01:14:19):
nothing we can do because we can't defend ourselves against
these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
And that's what I think the real secret.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Is between all this FUFO stuff and what's been told
to us and what's been hidden from us, is we
have no way as a planet of defending ourselves. And
to me, that's that's terrifying. I mean, you've got this
three I at Liss. We don't even know what that is,
you know, I'm I hear. I don't know how many
rumors you've heard about that thing, or how many things
you've read about that. But now it's allegedly got some

(01:14:47):
kind of propulsion system that's nuclear because they picked that
up on a certain you know, radio wave and things
of that nature.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
That's terrifying. I mean, what what do you think the
world would do.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
If we wake up one morning and there's you know, know,
a spaceship the size of you know, I don't know,
Ontario floating over Washington, d C. Saying hey, let's have
a talk. I mean, what do you think the world's
going to do at that point? And these things are
all very very.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Possible with alien abduction. I mean, it's not just Betty
and Barney Hill. There are literally thousands of people who
are going through this. They just brought it to light.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
And they went under the scrutiny and they were I
you know, there's there's actually people that there's conspiracy theories
that say that Barney was killed. Barnie dies at sixty nine.
You know, Betty lives till two thousand and three, two
thousand and four, you know, I mean, there's a whole
lot of time different, and she's a long a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
The other thing people say is what happened you know
to Betty's dress. Betty was wearing a house tra or
Betty was wearing a dress that somehow had a specific
radio active isotope on it that could never be identified.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
And that's always been you know, kind of swiped under
the rug. No one talks about it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
And the things of that nature, and the conversations they
allegedly had with these beings are very interesting, you know,
they had you know, they were talking about the history
of the galaxy and things of that nature.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
And that's all ignored.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
So I'm just wondering how much of that is actually,
you know, a false flag, or how much that could
possibly be true. And that's that's one of the questions
that we're trying to answer, is how much of this
is real? And it's not easy to figure out, man,
It's it's hard because there's a lot of different stories
happening here, and it's one of these things where you
just keep following the facts and the facts will egi
yout you know, and then when you look at one

(01:16:33):
document it says, Okay, well this is true, but this
one's false. Or you look at the original Majestic twenty
one document and it's you know, the Bobies document. Well
now they're saying half of that's all one hundred percent real.
You know, it's like, well, what's you know, it's just
different this information. But it's just why would they put
that this information out there if there wasn't something they
were heightened.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
That's that's my question.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
All right, let's switch topics because you also want to
get into missing people tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Do you know something that fascinates me is I live
at apple Achian I live in the apple Achian Mountains,
and one of the things that I hear about all
the time are people disappearing or people that disappear for
a few days and then they come back and they
just seem like they're completely disorientated. And one of the
things I like to do is I like to gather

(01:17:21):
my own information and look at it, and then I'll
go to like the national website to see if any
of this stuff is true. And all the cases I'm
going to talk to you about, there's quite a few
of them here. All these cases we can't get any
information on. They won't release it. We have some THELFOYA,
and you know, when you want information from the government,

(01:17:42):
you request al foya and then they're supposed to give
it to you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
I have.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
I've contacted the Parks Department several times about every one
of these cases, and I've actually I've heard nothing back.
I can't get a response. I did a foyer request
a couple of years ago. I got some information back
about some people that disappeared on the Tennessee North Carolina border.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
But it was completely sanitized. It was it was all omitted,
it was all in black.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
You ever seen those those documents where we get they're
redacted and it's all black. Yes, I actually have I
have a whole notebook for all of that stuff that
the government has sent me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
So it's it's very it's fascinating. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
And and what doesn't make sense is every one of
these people or everything that's been related.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
In this area.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
Is uh, it's just they're either they're in great shape. Uh,
there's no issues with them. And uh, they either are
their bodies rather found or they're found, but they're completely incoherent.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
They have no idea how long they will be gone. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
And the other thing is that we've got one case
where the guy was gone for two days, they thought
he was gone for he thought he was gone for
three weeks, and he was thirty pounds later. How you
dropped from thirty pounds in two days. I don't know
how you do that. I wish I knew. But this
guy's thirty pounds lighter when they find him and it's
only been two days, and he thinks he's been gone
for almost a month. It's just fascinating. And in this

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particular area we're going to talk about. It's all in
the Appalachia near western North Carolina and Tennessee border, and
some of it is about a place called Black Mountain
and Black Mountain that's that's been a fascinating point to
me because it was known for years for having all
these great trails and hiking paths and all these other things.

(01:19:37):
Now there isn't one trailer, one path that's open. They
say that's still from the hurricane damage. I have hard
time believe in that. And there's other issues going on there,
and the reports we've been getting out of there are
very strange. We get a lot of cryptive reports, a
lot of abduction reports, a lot of UFO sidings up there.
Places just it's one of those places. It's kind of

(01:19:57):
like your twenty one area. It's one of those places
where there's all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Going up there. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Christine and I went up there last week dual investigating,
and we were told by people pretty high up in
the government that number one, we shouldn't be asking questions,
and number two, uh, the whole area with all the
hiking and mountain passes and everything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
It's it's not open anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
And they didn't give any uh of course, no reasons,
no explanations.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
And I mean we're both sitting there talking to people.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
They we were at the what was that called the
information center. We were at the town and the visitors center,
and all their maps have been pulled out and they
had like they had on the on the walls as
you know, trails, hiking, trails, blah blah blah, and all
the maps are gone and it's all empty. And what
they did is they put little stickers, a QR sticker

(01:20:47):
coat on everything. When you scan it, it's just to
their web page and like it's supposed to be all
the maps for the whole area and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
It's it's it's there's nothing there. But I swear there's
something going on there. I don't know what it is.
We're starting to really dig into that because that's a
very very interesting place. We have had reports.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
I've had reports on that place for ten years about
bigfoot activity. One of the people I actually spoke to
said that he was walking down one of the old
trails and he saw this little fur ball. He said
it looked like a little rangutank right out in front
of him, smile at him, and then jump in the woods.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
He said it was the cutest damn thing he ever
saw in his life.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
And all of a sudden he feels something grab his
backpack pulls him. Next thing you know, he goes flying
fifteen feet back. He hits his head on his tree
and he's out for six hours. He wakes up and
it's dark, he's bleeding, he's got a heck of a head,
an ass a concussion. And when he was talking to me,
he showed me his backpack. Now you know about hiking gear.

(01:21:46):
He had an Osprey backpack. You know, the real good ones. Yeah,
I mean they're like two hundred button, real nice ones.
You can see this hand David's hand must have been
it must have been this big round, but it's where
grabbed him and you could see where the individual fingers
stretched out. The material picked him up and he went fine.
And you know, I've had reports there. We had another
reports there years ago about an old man, old got

(01:22:08):
nice guy, nice guy. I never got to meet him,
but I heard great things about him. I have friends
of mine that we're investigating this too. And apparently he
had videotaped a big gorilla eating his garbage, and the
gorilla was just a slob. But we would take just
the garbage and dump it out all over the place.
And the guy was getting taxed, so he decided videotape it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
So he does.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
He takes one of the old school VHS video cameras
he's got from his grandkids were too young, and he
just puts it in the window and he hits record
and he walks away. And the next day he's looking
at it and he's got this footage of what he
says is his big monkey eating garbage. And then when
he calls the police, of course they come out there.
Next thing, you know, the whole area. Now I did
see the whole area be shut down. I drove up

(01:22:51):
on that and they told me I had to leave,
so I had no business being there. But then a
week later the guy had moved. He was completely gone.
Is every evidence he had was completely just disappeared. So
stuff like that happens up there quite often. That doesn't
surprise me. It surprised me as the fact they said
that they know Long have a trail system, and that
really surprised me because the hiking up there used to

(01:23:14):
be awesome. But I just this is another reason. This
is one of those questions you have, is why. And
allegedly there was a port of some people that went
missing up there a couple of years ago, and I
think that has something to do with it. But what
I like to do is I just talk to you
about a few people that disappear.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
We got one minute ago before we got to go
to break.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
All right, Well, we'll talk about the hands of famine
real quick. They Mike and Sarah. They're with their ten
year old son Leo.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
They're up at Clinging's Dome, and the entire family vanishes
off the face the earth. And this is in the
early nineties, just completely gone, no absolutely no trace. They
found their car on their vehicle, they found their vehicle
in their car, and all their year.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
But these people just completely vanished. And it's this day.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
It's just one of these things where no one has
any idea, any idea what happened to these people. And
you're talking about a family, You're talking about an entire family.
And I believe, I believe the father was an engineer,
very smart guy. The wife was very much into the outdoors,
and they'd done camping and things since she was pregnant
with their son, so this was nothing new to him.
And Klingman's Dome is of virtue. It's one of the

(01:24:22):
hottest spots around my area. We have gotten reports out
of there. UFO Paranormal Encrypted Union name it. It's got
it out there, the very fascinating place. And when we
went to investigate this place, the area that all this
allegedly happened in has been basically just completely destroyed and
turned into something else. It was the highest point, but

(01:24:43):
the camping area has gone now allegedly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
It might have been a different one, but this is
when they say they.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Were at Well, let's continue this story end more. When
we returned, we have Christian McLeod here for another thirty minutes.
He might stick around for another hour and a half.
We don't know, because he's rebel that way. That's the
way he does things on spaced Out Radio. Your listening

(01:25:16):
to spaced Out Radio with your.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
That's the face you make after drinking American beer.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
No, I can't do it unless I'm disgusted.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Oh, there's Robin Hayes in the chat room. We'll see
here all right by uh Cramos. Welcome Tosa our chat.
Who else joined us? Bad cop? How are you? Night drive?
Nice to see you, and who's next here? Woo pooh?
How are you? Mm hmm like I'm out of caught up.

(01:26:12):
I'm out of caught up. You know what I've been
craving for, like the last half hour, cheeseburger. No, I
gotta finish off my box of Lucky Charms after this show.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
I'd rather have a cheeseburger.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
I'd love a cheeseburger right now, Just a greasy cheeseburger,
you know what. I'm so excited. They're actually building McDonald's
right now in my town, first time all in the area. No,
I'm telling you, I am going to be just throttling

(01:26:51):
that place.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Oh. I love Mickey D's, you know. I like Mickey
D's in the morning. Not and no egg. I mean
two of those two ash browns. I'm good to go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
I can't eat American McDonald's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Why. What's different the meat? Why?

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Because up here the meat is up here, the meat
is way better. Really, Yeah, Alexi, how are you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
That's McDonald's you're talking about, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I know, but there's different meat. Standards up here.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Probably I guarantee you're probably probably a lot healthier.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Well, McDonald's will never be healthy. This human looking at
Ossy and this is discipline. I haven't had McDonald's for
five years, not going either. Why because she's one of
them health people? Oh god, yeah, But there's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
A reason she's right now. I eat that thing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
There's a reason why when you see ossi angin in person.
I'm not gonna I think I know what here is,
but it's rude for me to guess. But there's a
reason why she only looks like thirty one years old.
And it's because she doesn't eat McDonald's. That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
I don't do it to yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Jeremy Jones, how you doing hockey seasons back? Your stars
are gonna fall in the playoffs again?

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
You're like old, I get five guys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Oh, five guys is great. It's just way too expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
It's ridiculous. Man, chili dog in here seven bucks? Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
You like a good chili dog?

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
I heard you know, I did savage.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Hey man, I'm gonna that McDonald's is gonna get a
lot of my money. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
Oh yeah, Now, five guys the fries, and five guys
they're they're phenomenal.

Speaker 11 (01:28:56):
Hey, Robin, I agree.

Speaker 12 (01:28:57):
I have not had what a burger in like twenty
five years, and I want to drive to South Carolina
just to get a water burger.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
I agree that Wager, that's not a.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Purple cupfish. How you doing, Burger King?

Speaker 11 (01:29:13):
The nearest water burger is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Hippididra. How are you cheers for the Cords in the
I am so going to up here. The McDonald's breakfast
is going to be great. McDonald's has the best hash
browns they do can't wait, and their breakfast Burritosh.

Speaker 11 (01:29:40):
McDonald's knows what they're doing with potatoes. They have the
best fries.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
I will say that McDonald's the best.

Speaker 12 (01:29:45):
Sometimes we will go get Burger King burgers and still
go get McDonald's fries just because they are so good.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Jeeves are interested.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
I think I agree with Jeremy. Wendy's burgers are the best.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
Yeah, oh yeah.

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Human Carl is here, a great veteran of the United
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Thanks you and Carl, Thank you to human Carl.

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(01:31:15):
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Appalachian Mountains. It's a weird place. Christian sad.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
You know some of these things when I get him,
they're actually scary because you've got people with like thirty
forty years in the backcountry experience, and they go vanishing,
they disappear, and you know, I gotta wonder, what, how
does that happen?

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
I mean, how did you just completely vanish off the
face of the earth.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
I mean, I understand animal predation and things like that,
but I mean you think they find something, and then
then you have a case like this next one. This
guy in November twenty sixth or twenty twenty one. His
name was Richmond Miller. He's from West Virginia, and he
went hiking in the Spruce nott Ridge area and his

(01:32:37):
body's found two years later. But it is completely rolled
up in a ball and found in a tree, like
in a hollow of a tree. How does that, how
does that even begin to happen? They've never been able
to explain it. And they charged up as like they said, well,
he must have been trying to get in there and
stay warm. He was found as like something put into

(01:33:00):
a ball shape and stuff that most yeah, broken bones everything.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
How does how does that happen? I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
And then that's that's just creepy because basically there's only
one thing out there, in my opinion, have two things
out there that can do that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
It's not a big for a dog man.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
And to me, this is just more and more evidence
these these uh you know, these cryptids are real that
that no one really wants to pay.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
A whole lot of attention.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
But if you're following the facts on this case, can
you imagine me in this poor guy's family, Hey, what
happened to our our loved one? Oh well, we found him,
but he was folded backwards in half and then kind
of stuffed into like a ball shape and then putting
the hollow of a tree. And we think he was
trying to get in there and stay warm because it
was you know, winter. How does how does that work?

(01:33:46):
I mean, it's it's just the excuse is they don't
even think, uh, you know, uh of anyone's you know,
uh yeah, thank you common sense. There's like no common
sense here. They're just done is how we found him
and we're not you know, and he must have done
to himself.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
And it's not just like that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
It's a Another one is a guy named Logan Mills
September twenty fifteen from Charlotte, North Carolina. He goes to
to go He's got Whitet Mills and his body is
found in the in the Smoky Park National Park by
Cleveland's Dome, and his skeleton was basically disassembled and part

(01:34:30):
of his body was found basically ripped apart and then
put together a different way.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
And yeah, and under the roots of the true So
how where does that come from? I mean, so, I
mean Clinton's don't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Oh, we lost Christian there for a minute. He'll he'll
hook back up. He's he's got a new computer that
that is just tooting in here. There he is. Let's
bring him on in here momentarily when he's ready. But
I mean people who just vanish into thin air. It's
different if it's like one person. But when you get

(01:35:08):
an entire family that's all of a sudden disappearing, you
have to wonder if it is foul play and somebody
is kidnapped an entire family, which would be absolutely horrendous,
or if it is something different. Christian, we got you back.

(01:35:29):
Your microphone is no longer working again. So when we
have people who who just vanish into thin air, especially
when it is multiple people Christian, it's something that needs
to be paid a little bit more attention to it.
And do we ever get any more information out of

(01:35:50):
the authorities from that?

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
Heyre's here's what bugs be the most. You can't even
find information on these people. You get more information basically
by googling them. Then you find out what happened when
you go to the National Park Securities or when you
go to National Parks Systems.

Speaker 13 (01:36:07):
Just real quick, I'll show you it's like it's being
kept out of news.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
This is a book of foyas that I have. They're
a couple of years old, and at no point did
they talk about what could have happened way the bodies
were found. They don't go to any of that detail.
So when you get the foia on a person that disappears,
they don't tell you how their body was found.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
You have to go research that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
You have to look at the police reports, and that's
not easy either because the National Securities or the National
Park System if they're in a non cohotes with like
a local sheriff or a local police officer, you're not
a police station, You're not going to get anything. So
all these reports we were lucky to get because they
were part of a task force where someone had gone missing,
but it was also reported to the Sheriff's department, and

(01:36:55):
then they in cahoots with the parks departments.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
That makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
So without both damn involved, we wouldn't get this. So
the truth of the matters, we don't even really know
how many people disappear. You know, there's statistics say there's
a million people that disappear in the parks department every year.
I've heard, you know, twelve hundred that disappear. I mean,
there's his number. Just it's it's not congruent, it doesn't
make sense. It's all over the place. But when you

(01:37:18):
keep looking, there's there's people that just keep you know,
the police report that last case, that Logan Mills, I said,
you know what the police said about it. It was
very strange. That was That was the end of the report.
Not how did he die? Was he predated on? Was
was there you know? Animals of all? Was anything else? No,
it's he died very strangely. Well, how does that give

(01:37:41):
a family peace?

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
How does that How does that make you sleep? At night.

Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
Oh well, at least he died strangely, you know that
that's not that's not a way to end report. But
these are actually the way they end reports. And it's
crazy because there's more of them. September twenty, twenty fourteen.
The Bennett family, John forty two, Uh, he's a civil engineer,
and Elise uh staying to give her age, and Abby

(01:38:06):
her daughter. They're on Big Creek Trail.

Speaker 12 (01:38:09):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
At ten am.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
They start in Piston, the National Force now Piston National Force.
I cannot believe how man people are missing in that place,
and that is right next to us. I've got a
map right here, Pisky National Force, and it's huge. Let
me square acres. It's a seven hundred and fifty eight acres.
I'm sorry, five hundred twelve, seven hundred fifty acres. It's

(01:38:33):
a big it's a big piece of land. But there's
people disappearing there all the time. And you never hear
that about these people. These people have been gone for
a few years, never heard of it. Didn't hear one news.
And I was here, I was living here when this happened.
I mean, this should be local news, completely covered up.
You don't hear about it. You talk you and this
is another entire family, you know, mom, dad, baby girl,

(01:38:55):
ten year old girl. And they said, oh, well, we
don't know what happened to her. They know where they went, uh,
and they're found of course. And this is also in
the Pisca side of the Great Smoking What's National Park
and the Blue Ridge Parkway. And when you see if
you were to google the Pisca National Force and look
at it, you see how massive it is. But it

(01:39:16):
does it coincides with a Great Smoking Mark National Park.
But they're they're there are people vanishing there. And then
nine years later again, guess where the remains are found?
Under a tree, under a massive tree? How did how
how are you gonna find remains under a tree? What

(01:39:37):
put them under the tree? Where's the you know, where's how?
What happened A to b? Okay, what happened between A
and B? Or how did they get there? There's absolutely
no explanation in this stuff. And it's terrifying because you
could have your family out there going on a hike
or something like that, and when you vanish, and your
family is not going to get any closure. They're not
going to tell you what happened I mean when when

(01:39:58):
you list uh a disappear, it's very strange.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
And that's all that that's all they can give you
to me, that's terrifying.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
And this is one of these things where this this
all stems from you know, David Plaidi's and is missing
for what one books uh and those are fascinating. I
will hand it to David. David didn't have to write anything.
All he did was take the reports and just put
them together and publish it. Brilliant, brilliant. Can't say enough
about it, just brilliant. But you know he doesn't go
to the depth. And that's what kind of bugs me.
Is like, David, what do you think happened to You're

(01:40:26):
a former cop? Tell us what happened these people? You
know you you've got to happen. He's not on a
former cop. He's a former you know. He's an author
on bigfoot activity, you know, three or four different books
on bigfoot, a loan so and according to him, he's
got you know, all.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
These connections and things like that with the Parks Department.

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
So as a former police officer, why doesn't he come
out and say, Okay, I think this is what happens
and I'm telling you this because I know that that
and this, and no one is doing that. No one
wants to actually go out there and say, hey, you know, uh,
this is what things happening. There is a dangerous possibility
that something could happen to you, your family, and it's
best to stay off the off the trails you want

(01:41:03):
to go on, but stay on the close ones. In
other words, stay in line of sight. All right, Why
don't just tell that to people? It's just just and
it goes on and on. Jeremy Jeremy Wats nineteen eighty eight,
Pisca National Forest by Turtle Cove, all right, completely vanishes
to this day. I've known you what happened to him

(01:41:24):
to this day gone? And this guy was in shape,
he was in his early twenties. He'd been hiking his
entire low, his entire life, all this stuff. Allegedly there's
an underground based.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
In the Episco. I'm sorry just reading that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
Yeah, I read about that too, but it just it's
just all these people, John and Irene, the Bryant murders.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
That happens a Pisca or part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
In nineteen seventy eight in Wavern Virginia. You have a
town in Virginia this is this is a little a
little funnier incident. But I thought people would get kick
out of this. They just want to end it because
it's not all bad.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
But there's a.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Town in Virginia that claims they have a bigfoot issue
and the reason why they do that is to get
them out of a financial mess because the lumber millert
they pulled out of town.

Speaker 3 (01:42:12):
And what they do is they come up with a
scheme about.

Speaker 4 (01:42:15):
Seeing here in bigfoot all around town, invite to get
tourists so they'll buy souvenirs and stay in the town.
So the reason why I like putting that in there,
it kind of it closes the scope out of both
reasons of people disappearing for one reason, and then of
course you have the other people that want that mysterious
you know, appointment of things happening so people will come

(01:42:38):
and see their area. And I like to combine those
two because that gives you both sides. So you see
the dichotomy there, and it's very very interesting. But day
what happens to these people? I mean, no one, no
one talks about it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
Man, do you think it might have something to do
with the underground caves.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
You know, ten years ago I would have said no,
I was absolutely not. But I started doing something three
years ago. I came up four years ago. I came
up with something called the cryptid cave theory. And it
came from I saw this thing, Is it Hollier Kentucky
over there talking about holler I saw that, And then

(01:43:20):
I started talking to a buddy of mine as a geologist.
He works for the state, and I asked him point blank,
I said, is you know are there that many caves
in this area? And he goes, we haven't even mepped
the ball. He goes, we don't even we don't even
know where to begin. Because the depth I gues sometimes
you just can't even read him, you know. And when
he told me that, I started thinking about the Crypti

(01:43:43):
cave theory. And there was a place called Fontana, and
in the early days of World War two, there was
allegedly wolf type creatures coming out of the caves in
Fontana and harassing the people of the town and you know,
eating livestock and things of that nature, and became very

(01:44:05):
very bad, and the federal government gets involved, and Fontana
is now called Fontana Lake and the original town of
Fontana is four hundred feet underwater.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Wow, And there's.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
A damn there called Fontana Damn there. Now here's my
question is why would you flood a place so deep?
I mean, why would you put four hundred feet of
water on a place unless you weren't trying to flood
out of cave system to get other things eradicated. That's
the way I look at that, and that that could
have backed up things for four or five ten states.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
I mean, I mean that's a lot of water. But
think about that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
So now Fontana is four hundred feet underwater, and that's
actually one of the biggest areas that people see underwater
goes in this area. But the whole place, it just
kind of it gives reverence to the Crypti cave theory
system because that's an example of something.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
This is in the beginning of World War two.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
All right, the United States of America just got bombed,
I mean, Power Harbor just happens.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
They keep thirty thousand workers.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Instead of going in the military right off, and they
keep those thirty thousand military workers continuing the dam project
until it's done.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Before they let him go in fight.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
World War two to me, that makes absolutely no sense,
so there must have been something else to that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
But that's all in the same general area.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Has anybody ever come out Christian from disappearing like that
and explained what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
We have one case, and this one's a weird one
because it allegedly happens in Black Mountain, but we can't
prove It's one of these things where we can't prove it.
We've got articles on it, but we can't really prove it.
But allegedly there was there was a guy that takes
people in the woods. It's like a survival kind of
trading where you do you know, and it helps you ego.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
It's like, you know, your self sufficient, that kind of thing.
And he takes six or eight people into the world.

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
He's gone for two days, and he thinks he's been
gone for a couple of you know, almost three weeks.
But he's the only one that walks out alive and mentally,
he has no idea what has going on.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
He has no idea what's happened.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Has changed, and uh, stuff like that tends to happen
a lot.

Speaker 12 (01:46:17):
He talks about the forest woods, breathing that the earth
was breathing in these two days that he thinks for three.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
Weeks, and he talks about like the force like opening
up and just absorbing people and disappearing like thinning.

Speaker 11 (01:46:30):
He says, the thinning of it, and he comes back and.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
Then it comes back completely Mayson after two days, he's
thirty pounds later, And it's just stuff like that. That's
just it's a huge question mark over my head because
I'm like, how could you? And then when you start
saying that the force was breathing and then it like
absorbed thinning.

Speaker 11 (01:46:47):
That happened at night, Yeah, that was sucking the life out.

Speaker 4 (01:46:50):
Would that be a cavern system something coming up from
the ground and grabbing people. I don't know, but that again,
that goes into the cave system there. Yeah, I mean,
could have been any thing. We just don't know. He
didn't give a proper explanation. To this day, we still
don't know what happened those people. We know there's six
or eight people that never came out of those woods.
We just don't know what happened to him.

Speaker 12 (01:47:10):
And his interviews have never been publicized. You can't find
any other information about it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
It's like he was completely wiped off the Internet and
stories like that. That just makes me shake my head,
go why why are we not looking into this?

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Do you think then that, however, these people vanish, that
we're getting the full clues of everything. Because what seems
to happen in a lot of these strange areas is
people will go missing, and then a number of days later,
in an area that has already been searched many times over,

(01:47:48):
that's where all of a sudden, the person's remains show up.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
That makes I think we're missing such a piece that
they're just not giving us the full equation. You can't
starve the equation without the variables, and they're not giving
us variables. They're skipping them there. They're just purposely leaving
them out. It makes no sense to me. You know
those talk about missing four one one. I can't tell
me how many of those cases are like that. These
places been searched two or three times, the boom, there's

(01:48:13):
the remains, or there's the shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
That's another weird one.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
They find their shoes or their boots completely intact and
they're together and their socks are inside of them.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
What is that? But that's what happens on these places.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
They just they find weird things, and no one's really
looking into it. I think it's really it's really kind
of glossed over because you don't think, you just don't
hear about it.

Speaker 12 (01:48:38):
And it's not just the authorities, Like the locals are
now pretending like these trails don't even exist. When we
went there, they were acting like, oh no, there's nowhere
to hike here.

Speaker 11 (01:48:48):
Even though we can.

Speaker 12 (01:48:49):
Find online several trails that people have gone missing on.
They say, oh no, there's no trails here. There were
never any trails here.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
Yeah, we were told there was never any trails. It's like,
that's ridiculous. There's like fifteen or sixteen Is that the
rosia the same Benacu were wearing? And he ties the
mysterious finishings of the clonell it is and so isn't that.
So that's a whole different show. But thank you for noticing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
It is high Strangers. We have about five minutes to
go here before we go to the break at the
top of the hour. Christiaan McLoud is our guest tonight
on spaced Out Radio. The fact that people are going missing,
is it mainly hikers? Is it mainly you know, teenagers
who are out camping with their buddies. Who's going missing?

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Oh, you know a lot of these people go missing
their entire families. Man, it's it's families.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
In one of Plais's books, he talks about people with
very high que in German ancestries vanishing. But that's a
different correlation. That's I think that has to do with
the smiling face killers myself. I think that's a whole
separate issue. But it's we're talking families vanishing here. People healthy,
people that have been the hiking, you know, in the

(01:50:08):
woods for years.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
People that don't get lost.

Speaker 12 (01:50:11):
That guy that was found that was the only one
that came back talking about the thinning, that thought he'd
been gone for three weeks. He was a survivalist guy
that had gone with a photographic tour.

Speaker 11 (01:50:23):
These people were out there to.

Speaker 12 (01:50:24):
Do wildlife photos and stuff, and they were supposedly prepared
for the environment and everything.

Speaker 11 (01:50:30):
And he's the only one that made it back.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Yeah, and they have no idea what happened. And he's
bought no idea. What happens to people?

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
You know, God forbid something happens to someone at least,
you know, have the decency to be honest. About what
happened to them for their families. I mean, you know,
give him some peace.

Speaker 11 (01:50:44):
The bodies of the rest of his group have never been.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Never been found, and you know that's what six eight people, Yeah,
six people never found.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
I mean think about that six that six families have
no idea what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
To the loved ones, and and it just seems like
nobody cares or you know, it just gets glossed over.
And I think that's the biggest thing that surprises me
is because when you have all these disappearances, and it's
a very eclectic group, it's not like you can say, Okay,
this guy's got blond hair and blue eyes, he's gonna
go in the woods and vanish on a Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
It doesn't happen that way.

Speaker 14 (01:51:14):
It's like they And the other thing that's weirdest is
they do everything by the book, Like they check in,
they'll check in with the rangers, they'll get the maps,
they'll they make sure they know the area, They tell
their families where they're going.

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
Everyone knows where they are, and then boom two three
days go by and they're not heard from again. They
call nine one one, they start the ball rolling and
then you know, it takes three or four years to
find bodies, and they're found in these crazy places, in
these strange positions, And you know, how do you I
still don't know how you put an entire family under
a tree and then the tree blows over a hurricane

(01:51:48):
and then boom, there they are.

Speaker 11 (01:51:49):
And when you think about all of these people who put.

Speaker 12 (01:51:52):
In their plans and their hiking routes and everything that
the Parks Department that have disappeared, you got to wonder
how many people that didn't register anything have also disappeared,
and just nobody happens to know that they were in
that area at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
Like, we've got a big problem with people basically squatting
a national fort. I don't know if that's a problem
you guys, I don't know if you have that. Basically
people living in the national parks are free.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Yeah, you know what, I've heard my first report up
here from a First Nations gentleman just the other day,
who is talking about the wild people.

Speaker 11 (01:52:28):
Yeah, reports are designating them feral humans.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Yeah, well they call them.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
But in Smoky Mountain National Park there's allegedly a huge
group of them, and apparently the rangers know all about it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
And you know this also, this coincides with the Dennis.

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
Martin case back in sixty seven, so I mean this
goes way back.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
But you know, it makes you wonder if you've.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
Got an issue like that going on too, because you know,
if there's a group of feral people, you know, whether
they be cannibalistic or maybe they're stealing their stuff to survive.
I mean, you don't know, but if if these people
do exist out there, you think they should be telling
the population, hey, don't go here, this could be dangerous
for this, yeah, you know, or or if you get
you know a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
There's a couple of things that grew light He's on.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
It is like most people that are armed know what
they're doing and have a you know, a system to
detect where they are, a personal protection system. As far
as the GPS. They don't have any issues or they
have very few issues. And I think that might have
something to do with it. But I think what happens
is some of these people they just go out there
and I'm sure some of them get lost on their

(01:53:32):
own court they.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
Get lost or turned around.

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
But the way their their remains are found, uh, just.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Yeah, it doesn't make it to be.

Speaker 12 (01:53:43):
Found under a three hundred year old tree where immense
strength was taken to pull up roots and stuff them up.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
No, it's a hurricane.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
No, but yeah, exactly, and then it doesn't blow down
to a hurricane hits and then you know, you find
the tree completely knocked.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
Over there, you know, and then there's there's a family
of three found there.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
I just I don't know, man, but I can't imagine
how many people can actually live there. I mean, Canada
is so fast beforeced I can't even imagine how many
people could be living up there that're just completely off grid.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
And the thing is like like there. You know, there's
a comment in the chat room about from PARAMARV how
is it even possible surviving in the Canadian parks through
the long winter. If you have fire and water, you
can survive a long time, You really can.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Well, if they have a cave, you know what, if
they have a cave of cave, get into a cave.
It's going to be fifty sixty degrees year round.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
Let's hold that. Because you're sticking around for hour three,
Robin Haynes is going to join us as well. Spaced
out radio two hours down one to go. You're listening
to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott. All Right,

(01:55:12):
I'm gonna put you in the green room. We'll be
back in a little bit. Okay, alright, right back everybody us.

Speaker 15 (01:58:27):
Us, yeh, all right, we got about a minute to go.

(02:00:48):
There's Christian, there's the beautiful Robin Hayes by.

Speaker 4 (02:00:54):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
How are you?

Speaker 16 (02:00:57):
I'm good? How are you? Guys?

Speaker 1 (02:00:58):
I've kicking all right, we got about thirty five seconds
here quickly here, Hi Lunico, how you doing? And Mike Bothwell,
nice to see you. We will get to your questions here, guys.
I know there was a bunch of them. We will
get to them here in the next hour. So if
you ask a question I haven't asked it yet, don't worry.

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Speaker 17 (02:02:47):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp. I'm Swamp Dweller,
and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic
journey of the unn sharing tales of monsters, legends and
nightmare Kue.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
Welcome to the s based down Radio Swamp.

Speaker 17 (02:03:04):
The first case I wanted to talk about today is
the truly strange story behind the nineteen ninety five disappearance
of Ferica Brown.

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
Now.

Speaker 17 (02:03:13):
Ferica was originally from New Jersey, but had moved to
his grandmother's home in Central Avenue in Lancaster, South Carolina
in nineteen ninety when he was thirteen years old. By
the time February fourteenth, nineteen ninety five, came around, Farica
was freshly eighteen years old, with a slender build, standing

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at roughly six feet tall or so and weighing about
one hundred and fifty pounds. At the time, he was
working at a local Applebe's, which, to those who may
not know, Applebee's is an American chain restaurant that can
be found virtually everywhere in the country. Ferica often dressed
rather nice. According to his family members, it was not

(02:03:54):
uncommon for him to spend his free time with his friends,
even staying overnight on occasion. Ferica would always make sure
to call home and let his grandmother know where he was. Though,
on Valentine's Day nineteen ninety five, Farica had joined his aunt,
Nita Brown to visit his grandmother at the Piedmont Medical
Center located in rock Hill, South Carolina. Ferica had brought

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her a get well balloon and spent some time with
her before traveling back home to Lancaster. He arrived back
in Lancaster somewhere between three and four pm. Not long after,
he asked his aunt Juanita if he could get a
ride from her, to note she only lived two houses
down from Ferica's home. She declined to give him a ride,

(02:04:39):
and he proceeded to walk. He was supposed to be
back later that day, but was never seen again. Unfortunately,
since Ferica's grandmother was in the hospital, his absence went
unnoticed for about six days. A couple of Ferica's friends,
who were recently borrowing his car, a gray Dodge Colt,
dropped off a keys with his relatives and mentioned how

(02:05:02):
they had not heard from him. It was very unlike
Farica to leave without any sort of warning or note.
His personal belongings were left behind, including important things like
his walle in driver's license. Investigators began speaking to family
member's friends and anyone else who may have known Ferica.
With not much to go off of, they enter Ferika

(02:05:23):
Brown's information into the National Crime Information Center also known
as the nci SEE. After heavy examination of his home
and more specifically his bedroom, Lancaster, Captain Susan Hunter noticed
that Farica had left behind an awfully lot of important
clothing he would have surely needed on an extended trip.

(02:05:44):
Captain Susan Hunter also noted that the fact that Ferika's
car was returned home the same day he was reported
as missing was a bit suspicious as well. Now, the
story Ferika's friends gave investigators as to why they had
his car was a bit fishy. They claimed Farica had
left it at a body shop to get some work done.

(02:06:05):
They could never get any information on that though. Captain
Susan Hunter did her best to follow up all the
leads they could, but it ultimately led to nowhere. She
cannot help but wonder if the friends knew more than
they have led on. In twenty ten, a news article
was released with a quote from Captain Hunter. She stated

(02:06:25):
that Ferica's case is far from forgotten and they are
still actively putting up flyers about him. They hoped to
give the family closure one day. Sadly, Ferka's grandmother died
in nineteen ninety eight, never knowing where her beloved grandson went.
Feric's mother and aunt are still alive hoping for answers.
No one really knows what happened to Ferica Brown on

(02:06:46):
Valentine's Day nineteen ninety five. At this point, all we
know is Ferica left his belongings at home and has
never been seen in her from again, and his friends
are not talking. Farica Brown is roughly six feet tall
and weighs around a hundred and fifty pounds. He has
his left ear pierced, and he has a noticeable birthmark
or scar of some kind on his right arm and head.

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He had shorter length braids at the time. If you,
or anyone you may know has any information on this case,
please contact Lancaster Police Department at eight oh three two
eight three seven to one, and of course you can
always remain anonymous.

Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
Thank you swamp Dweller for another creepy story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to his
YouTube channel, Swamp Dweller hit Subscribes Ring that Bell and
we got thousands of stories for you, just like that.
Time for Robin. Robin Haynes has joined us for the

(02:08:09):
Cryptied Q and a as she does each and every week.
We still have the cryptid guy, Christian McLeod hanging on
out with us because we love Christian around here, we
really do. And of course, oh, Robin, how are you,
my dear?

Speaker 16 (02:08:25):
I'm goode what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
I am good, I am I'm tired, but good. And
it's a it's a good night every time I get
to hang out with good friends like you guys.

Speaker 16 (02:08:38):
Yeah, this is the best place to be.

Speaker 1 (02:08:41):
It really is, even if Christian right, Oh, my goodness,
in Nebraska by the.

Speaker 10 (02:08:54):
Way, right, yeah, in Nebraska, I saw the other end
of them has to be. That picture is much better
you guys, all.

Speaker 16 (02:09:08):
Right about a white moon?

Speaker 3 (02:09:10):
Answer me.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
Let's get right to it, because we do have a
lot of audience questions to get to tonight. Robin Haynes
is an intuitive She is very much someone who is
connected to the cryptid world of sasquatch, dog men and
many other cryptid creatures that are out there. Robin, we
love it when you were here each and every time.

Speaker 16 (02:09:32):
Ah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:34):
I love it here, yes, me too, me too, And Christian,
thank you for sticking around.

Speaker 3 (02:09:42):
Of course, I gotta keep your writing up.

Speaker 1 (02:09:45):
Well, I mean somebody has to keep you going here.
We're gonna start off with a question from uh.

Speaker 3 (02:09:50):
I love this show.

Speaker 1 (02:09:51):
I know, I know, you know. We're gonna start off
with a question from Polly. Why don't we seem to
have the same ability to communicate with alien like our
Native Americans did? Or is it just an ET decision? Robin?
You start with that one.

Speaker 16 (02:10:06):
To begin with.

Speaker 10 (02:10:07):
You have to understand Native Americans are more into the earth,
They're more into the frequencies, They're more into spirituality, They're
more open. Our people tend to be more closed off.
We've listened too much to the government. We've listened to
the powers that be that have lied to us our
entire life. Where my contact with the Native American community,

(02:10:29):
they are a much more open person. They are much
more spiritual, they are much more in tuned with their
own energies and frequencies in the earth. And the ets
are going to respond to that equally.

Speaker 1 (02:10:46):
What's your what's that your thoughts of that? Christian?

Speaker 4 (02:10:52):
This is a slippery slope because I am a huge
believer that Native Americans more in touch with the natural environment.
But yeah, it's it's you know, I don't want to
knock everyone else. But I believe that that is true. Uh,
and it's I think it's a cultural thing. I think

(02:11:13):
they they're raised to respect the land, the ancestors, their history,
the water, the earth, yeah, the fire, I mean, And honestly,
if I'm being one hundred percent honest, I think we
should really pay more attentions to the way the Native
Americans lived their lives, because they.

Speaker 3 (02:11:29):
Have a lot of our lives, you know, I mean,
look at it when I agree.

Speaker 4 (02:11:34):
I mean before the Europeans came here, the Cherokee Nation
there were their average age was like ninety six when
they passed.

Speaker 12 (02:11:41):
Yes, aspecting people, respecting the planet, respecting your environment such
a big thing. But also it's like your average human
that's not Native American is going to say, I think
I'm receiving a communication from somewhere. I'm going to go
see a therapist. There's something wrong with me. As a
Native American would think I should be open and trying

(02:12:04):
to receive what information I'm being given.

Speaker 10 (02:12:08):
Yeah, they're just much more receiving and accepting of the
different things they've got their Like Christians that I agree
with that their culture is a little bit different, their way,
their thought processing, is a little bit different.

Speaker 16 (02:12:19):
They're more down to earth.

Speaker 10 (02:12:21):
They haven't been as plugged up with all the gunk
that we have and as far and I just heard
just a little bit when Christian was talking about the
Atlas myself, what little bit of intel that I've been
able to get from it. I'm not in a panic
about it. I'm really not. The there's people within the

(02:12:42):
SSP that claim that not only are there multiple different
kinds of ets on that ship, but humans, And prior
to finding that out, what I will say is when
I did a scan on it, there was various different
kinds of alien on that craft. I picked up three
human figures. So I mean when I scanned it, I

(02:13:05):
couldn't find anything negative on it. Could that change once
they get here? Absolutely? The people that I associate with
in the intel I get is they're supposed to be
coming to help with this frequency change. Now, whether that's
going to be the truth or not, we don't know,
but there's not much you're going to be able to
do about it either way, So you might as well

(02:13:26):
sit back, relax, and kind of just keep your mind
open to the possibilities that this will happen at some
point in time. The next two or three years are
going to be huge as far as disclosures with the et.

Speaker 1 (02:13:37):
World if they allow it.

Speaker 10 (02:13:44):
Well, parts of the government are the ones that are
pushing it. Yeah, we'll see if the other parts shut
it down.

Speaker 3 (02:13:50):
But I agree with you Ro.

Speaker 4 (02:13:52):
I think if we're going to find all this information now,
we do have the right people in the administration, the
cer administration.

Speaker 3 (02:13:57):
I don't see them saying no, no, no, let's keep this better.
They seem to me more like I just tell everyone
what's going on.

Speaker 10 (02:14:03):
Yeah, in my context that there's a lot of disclosures
that are coming up and people will be made aware
of them. But I would say within the next one
to three years, people are not going to recognize our
world from what it is right now.

Speaker 16 (02:14:16):
And I think that's a very good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:14:19):
Well he's hoping.

Speaker 1 (02:14:20):
All right, let's move on to another question. Let's go
to Beno here. If aliens are not real, why did
the government and three letter agencies go to Betty Hill
for advisement? Regularly? Christian Well, I.

Speaker 4 (02:14:35):
Firm believe that they are real, and that's why they
went to Betty and Barney Hill for their advisement. Because
I think Betty and Barney had the best amount of recall.
You know, I think they had you know, not to
quote a move, but I think they had total recall
about everything when they had the reverse hypnosis by you
know Stan frequently when they all got into it, they

(02:14:58):
had the best people available, and they got these answers
that were just incredible. Again, there's a whole section about
Betty having a conversation with basically the lead alien uh.
And and he was trying to calm her down because
she was really freaking out by the way the party
was being treated.

Speaker 3 (02:15:16):
So he let her read part of a book.

Speaker 4 (02:15:18):
And then this book is basically you know, it made
And I'll be the first one to say it sounds.

Speaker 3 (02:15:23):
Weird to me that a group of aliens would have
a book.

Speaker 4 (02:15:25):
I will say that it was a big deal made
about this book in her reverse hypnosis. But in the book,
it basically documents the entire galaxy, everything in our part
of the universe, expanding universe, uh, you know, time travel,
things that I mean, it's it's all basically being explained
to her. And you know, they tell her that eventually

(02:15:46):
this will be the same information your your people have
if if they can manage to, you know, keep it together.
But that book is is never really talking about. But
here's the thing. Maybe it wasn't even a book. What's
to say it wasn't like a iPad or something. You know,
maybe Betty just didn't have any other way to describe
it than a book. So I they very possibly could

(02:16:08):
have been using technology that we didn't get till like
the last twenty years. So it's just one of those things.
I think it's it wasn't only just three letter agencies.
You knows seventy five. Uh, it's it's it was global.
I keep in mind, the Russians were trying to get them,
the I six is trying to get them, the Chinese
we're trying to get. Everyone was every advanced government was English.

(02:16:32):
I mean, you know, everyone, every advanced government was trying
to get these people.

Speaker 3 (02:16:35):
That was one of the reasons.

Speaker 4 (02:16:36):
I honestly believe that's one of the reasons why the
fence kept such a close eye on them, as they're
afraid they weren't get snatched. Uh, and you know that
would have been a big problem. And and uh, if
you have a reason. Was documentation I Plan On released
and soon it talks about it. I mean, they've got
KGB officers talking about how they were assigned in Moscow.
They were their assignment was Betty and Barney Hill and

(02:16:58):
they had to go. They had enforcement. They were really
scared about getting pinched at Peas Air Force Base because
at that point the military was very escalated in that
particular era. This Pea's Air Force Base was the nuclear
mission style of that nobody knew about, absolutely nobody. It
was part of our R and curtain. Nobody had any
idea there was nuclear missiles there. So when all this

(02:17:19):
happens in that general area, I think that's what really
sounded the alarm. And then the fact that all the
ulphimate agencies jumped in on board kind of excited everyone
else in the world. And that's why they all wanted it,
because realistically they contacted her quite often. If you get
those documents from you and H you'll see all up
into her death, the federal government was still talking to her.

(02:17:40):
So it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (02:17:43):
All right, let's move on, let's go to Moon Cookies.
I would like to know what you guys think about
Carla Turner, who disappeared in nineteen ninety six. She talked
at Mofon conferences in nineteen ninety five. Who wants to
take that one?

Speaker 3 (02:17:58):
Rob, I'm not familiar with that one.

Speaker 16 (02:18:00):
I'm not familiar with her either. I'm not you know.

Speaker 10 (02:18:03):
But in reference to the question before, you know, they
talk about how these don't aren't exist, that don't exist.
I've been an et abductem on and off my entire life.
I have video footage which Moufon is used, and I
have photographs and memories, and I work. One of the
things I do in my businesses I work with at

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abductees and the government has never been able to convince anybody.
They keep trying, and it's like he said, you know,
that's why they kept an eye on them.

Speaker 16 (02:18:37):
I mean, it's just astounding.

Speaker 10 (02:18:39):
But as far as Carla Turner, I am not familiar
with that specific case.

Speaker 16 (02:18:46):
At all.

Speaker 1 (02:18:49):
Well, doctor Carla Turner was becoming a quick fast name
because at that point there wasn't a lot of people
with the title doctor behind their name, and she had
published a book in I Believe nineteen ninety two, called
Into the Fringe, where she kind of talks about her
close proximity in sightings of UFOs to missing time and

(02:19:13):
other chilling encounters. Now, there is a lot of discrepancy
about her passing because many believe that she passed away
from cancer. Others believe that it was a government takedown
because she was talking a little bit too much. So
there's still a lot of controversy around well, the subject

(02:19:35):
of her.

Speaker 10 (02:19:37):
The thing too is and this happens with people around
cryptis as well. Ets are high frequency beings. Cryptids are
high frequency beings that frequency on our three.

Speaker 16 (02:19:47):
Dimensional body works like radiation.

Speaker 10 (02:19:50):
So you find people that have extreme contact with cryptids,
and people that have had ongoing contact with the ets
generally get some kind of cancer.

Speaker 16 (02:20:00):
They get brain tumors. There's a lot of those things
that do happen. Now. Is that something that they.

Speaker 10 (02:20:04):
Could have used as a cover up for her, Absolutely,
because it's not like it's not something they wouldn't do,
But it is not as uncommon as you would think.
It's like, when I'm working with them, I have some
that I actually they will come right up to me with.

Speaker 16 (02:20:19):
The sasquatch and I ask them to pull the energy back.

Speaker 10 (02:20:24):
It's so strong it feels like a heavy weighted blanket,
like you can hardly move. It's like your whole body
feels like it's made out of concrete, especially if you
have the ones that use a lot of more the
abilities and have a higher frequency than some of the
other ones.

Speaker 16 (02:20:37):
But it can cause that.

Speaker 1 (02:20:40):
Yeah, So just a quick end to it here with
Talctor Carla Turner, she allegedly died of cancer back in
nineteen ninety six. This came after she was threatened for
coming out about her work in the UFO world. So
there is there is a little.

Speaker 2 (02:20:57):
Bit of that.

Speaker 3 (02:20:57):
At the same time, Phil.

Speaker 18 (02:20:59):
Of God, Phil Schneider Schneider disappeared, well, he passed away
from cancer with and many people believe he took a
couple of slugs to the back of the neck on
his own polition.

Speaker 16 (02:21:16):
I absolutely believe that.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
You know. So let's go to Jacketa here, what is
your thoughts on this black blob they're calling venom which
is growing and moving. So this is a guy who
who has put out videos from I believe Puerto Rico
or Portugal, some one of the Pea countries, Okay, where

(02:21:39):
he said he found a meteorite and there was something
growing on it. I have done a little bit of
research on this, and you know this, this black goo
just kept on growing and growing and growing on the
side of this meteorite. But if you actually go and
look at the potato, at the potato, because what they
did was a spray painted a meteorite the color of silver,

(02:22:05):
and it looks like a potato. This ai type of
black goo like venom is on there moving. He's touching
it with his bare fingers, you know, it's like he's
trying to tickle it, and all kinds of things like that.

Speaker 4 (02:22:21):
I mean, I think I've seen a video with this
and it was like it moves weird, and then like
it's kind of like this line the kids play with
in school, like they make that clim out of a yeah,
lou and see.

Speaker 10 (02:22:33):
That doesn't it doesn't wash with me because if that
was something that was extraterrestrial in nature, they would have
that quarantined off. They wouldn't know what kind of chemicals
were involved in it, they wouldn't let anybody be touching
it at all.

Speaker 16 (02:22:48):
So I wouldn't.

Speaker 10 (02:22:49):
I mean, I'm not going to say that it's fake
because that's not my experience, but to me, that is
not something that I would put a whole lot.

Speaker 16 (02:22:55):
Of faith on.

Speaker 4 (02:22:56):
I would agree with you on that I'm with you
on that one, especially if it was real.

Speaker 3 (02:23:02):
There's no way.

Speaker 4 (02:23:03):
I don't care if it's in South America, because the
US is gonna go there and take it.

Speaker 16 (02:23:07):
Absolutely. They would have quarantined off.

Speaker 10 (02:23:09):
Nobody would be near it.

Speaker 16 (02:23:11):
They would cover the whole thing up, because that's what
they do best.

Speaker 11 (02:23:14):
Nobody would be.

Speaker 10 (02:23:15):
And they would try to convince the world they were.

Speaker 3 (02:23:16):
Crazy be touched with the bare hands.

Speaker 1 (02:23:19):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's sneak in one more before
the break. We got about a minute here. Let's go
to t Bone. Christian, what's your opinion on the Ultimate Cryptid?
The t Bone loves moth Man.

Speaker 3 (02:23:35):
T Bone you got good taste. So I'm gonna say
I think I think it's real.

Speaker 4 (02:23:40):
I it's you know, there's actually Mothman sidings all over
the world. Everyone, it's sixty eight in the you know,
I'm sorry in Ohio, but point Pleasant, thank you. Everyone
thinks it's it's limited, but no, there's been point I
mean besides Point Pleasant, the signs all over the world.

Speaker 3 (02:24:01):
I just read about one.

Speaker 4 (02:24:03):
Uh there was one in Japan before that massive tsunami
camp so, uh, you know, I think he's a harbinger.

Speaker 3 (02:24:09):
I think.

Speaker 4 (02:24:10):
I think he's trying to help people out. I think,
and not for nothing. Let's be honest. He bone moth
Fan's cool. I will say that Afman is cool. He's
not a cool looking guy, can fly, he helps people.

Speaker 3 (02:24:23):
I'm down with him. I'm pro Mothman.

Speaker 12 (02:24:25):
He's been accused of bringing the disaster, but I think
he's there to warn people about it.

Speaker 16 (02:24:29):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (02:24:31):
Well, let's hold that thought because we are going to
go to our final break of the night here on
spaced Out Radio, the Cryptied Q and A with Robin
Haynes Crypted guy. Christian McLeod is sticking around as well.
We'll be right down.

Speaker 8 (02:24:46):
This is spaced Out Radio and your hosts Nay Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:25:09):
All right, we are clear. There we go one thing, guys, Uh,
when with stream yard if we if you guys start
talking at once, it all bleeds into anything and then
we can't understand a word you're saying.

Speaker 3 (02:25:24):
Okay, so words, shut it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:27):
Okay, shut it, shut it. Infomax, how you doing? Uh
huh beautiful besth noise? How are you?

Speaker 4 (02:25:41):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:25:44):
I'm still craving my bowl is cereal? After this so bad?
I want a cheeseburger. Oh god, I wanted to want to.

Speaker 16 (02:25:53):
I just want to frop.

Speaker 1 (02:25:54):
It you and your frope your fruit food drinks.

Speaker 16 (02:25:57):
I know you know what. I don't even like coffee,
but I love frappas.

Speaker 3 (02:26:04):
I'm do you have your contacts?

Speaker 1 (02:26:07):
You know it sounds good right now?

Speaker 16 (02:26:14):
Such a frightening thing.

Speaker 11 (02:26:17):
It looks like he smelled something bad.

Speaker 1 (02:26:21):
Do you know where that was taken? Robin, that was
taken When we did the panel on stage, there was
one person. I'm not going to say who it is,
but there was one person there who just wouldn't keep
quiet and wasn't coonbo. I will just de fish.

Speaker 3 (02:26:41):
I know who it was, and wouldn't I shun it?

Speaker 16 (02:26:46):
Well, he won't be back.

Speaker 3 (02:26:47):
Someone asked a question.

Speaker 4 (02:26:48):
Someone asked David direct, question Dave, and this guy goes, oh.

Speaker 16 (02:26:55):
No, he won't be back.

Speaker 3 (02:26:56):
He's been cordially.

Speaker 4 (02:26:58):
I don't care if someone cuts me off, but like
people are there to see Dave Dave, and I'm like,
you've shut him up and let Dave talk. Yeah, And
then Dave told me to calm down and I did.

Speaker 1 (02:27:14):
Oh, Christian and I were just dying laughing.

Speaker 13 (02:27:17):
Well, it was like I said, it was hilarious, but
it's kind of pissing me off because when someone says
this question, this question for Dave and the other guys, like,
sit down, Dave, I'll get this.

Speaker 1 (02:27:28):
Get the hell out of the way, Dave.

Speaker 2 (02:27:30):
You.

Speaker 4 (02:27:34):
Oh yeah, it's better than yours anyway.

Speaker 16 (02:27:41):
Yeah, it'll be fun.

Speaker 4 (02:27:42):
Then he tries sticking us with the bar I want
to say he started sticking us with a bar tab too, Dave.

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
Didn't McGee McGee, how are you? I don't know what
your issue is. Apparently McGee McGee has an issue. We don't. Well,
don't put the words on screen. If I'm want to
get timed out for saying true things. What a damn
slavic thing to say or to do what you say?

(02:28:07):
Oh look look how polite? Yeah you Dave. Oh oh
that's nice. That's nice.

Speaker 4 (02:28:14):
You know what someone said something about white people talk
about Native Americans.

Speaker 3 (02:28:18):
How do you know?

Speaker 4 (02:28:19):
I'm not part of Native American Robin is Christina is
So yeah, there's that. And by the way, I'm not
white up pink, pink pink.

Speaker 1 (02:28:28):
I'm just happy to be here.

Speaker 10 (02:28:29):
Let's see a button that it's bright white.

Speaker 3 (02:28:32):
That's different, rob that's different.

Speaker 11 (02:28:35):
I tried to make him not do that.

Speaker 3 (02:28:37):
I will not be.

Speaker 16 (02:28:41):
Christina, try harder. Some things cannot be unseen.

Speaker 11 (02:28:50):
I feel sorry for poor Christy.

Speaker 3 (02:28:52):
That was that was the best. That poor girl. She
couldn't look the next The next day I got to
talk to her.

Speaker 4 (02:29:00):
She's like, she's like this, I don't know where too
much And I looked at.

Speaker 3 (02:29:08):
Her one.

Speaker 1 (02:29:11):
I would too.

Speaker 15 (02:29:13):
Oh my goodness, we got about a minute twenty will
not be fensored.

Speaker 3 (02:29:21):
I don't buy.

Speaker 4 (02:29:25):
I like my white people like Robert Redford or Grace
Kelly will do okay, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:29:31):
Grace Kelly would totally date date Eugene Braxton.

Speaker 3 (02:29:35):
Grace Kelly was a tramp, but she was like the most.

Speaker 1 (02:29:39):
Grace Kelly was smart.

Speaker 3 (02:29:41):
Greg Kelly.

Speaker 4 (02:29:42):
Every time Hitchcock worked with her, she knew she was
gonna have stupid her leading man there.

Speaker 1 (02:29:47):
Okay, whatever either way, My my buddy there. Eugene Braxton
not only handsome but brilliant. You you got to hear
his uh, his take on the near death riddle with
his near death experiences, the way he breaks it down
so eloquently. He is brilliant, brilliant, check.

Speaker 4 (02:30:10):
Straight more beer than the Why are we getting into this.
How did that come up?

Speaker 1 (02:30:16):
I don't know. It's a chat ruin.

Speaker 16 (02:30:18):
Hold on, we got question, so I'm just here.

Speaker 1 (02:30:20):
We got fifteen seconds. I gotta mute you guys, because
otherwise Christian won't keep quiet. Thank you Human Carl Mooten,
Spongle Kitty and Creepy Pasta. And thank you to t
Bone for gifting two memberships. We appreciate you. Here we go,

(02:30:54):
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(02:31:41):
and we're going to continue with some audience questions here.
Welcome back, guys. That's where you say, well, thank you for.

Speaker 4 (02:31:51):
Having me, Thanks, thanks Yayal.

Speaker 1 (02:31:56):
At the same time, start off with paramarv here. Since
you're in North Carolina there, Christian, have you looked into
the Brown Mountain whites. Do you have any thoughts if
their UFO or cryptid related or something natural.

Speaker 4 (02:32:10):
It's a great question and we have looked at it.
In fact, we did a show on the Discovery Channel.
It's actually called the Piso Electric Effects. See what happens
when the tectonic plates move and they crush the Felts
Park courts, Fells Park Ports. Actually, this is what it
looks like. This is what Felspark Courts looks like. This
is a different day on the courts. On the planet
actually has an extra silicone molecule in it, so you

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can actually store and discharge energy with it, and you
actually use it to complete a circuit. So when there's
massive amounts of this stuff underground, specifically in this region
of Western Carolina, Astue is actually on the biggest reserve
of it and on the planet. But what happens when
the tectonic plates shift and move, and they crush all
this quartz, all this plasma release, and it's called the

(02:32:52):
piso electric effect.

Speaker 3 (02:32:53):
So it's natural. It does happen, but it has nothing
new with paranormal.

Speaker 4 (02:32:58):
Some people would correlate it with antive American folklore, where
wise we're looking for the lost warrior husbands after a battle.
But no, it's one hundred percent natural. It has nothing
to dow with UFOs. It has nothing to do with bigfoot.
I thought at once it may have something to do
with signaling en cryptids, you know, kind of like they're

(02:33:21):
spraying or mating seas or something like that. But after
doing the research on the piece of electric effect, I'm
I'm convinced that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:33:28):
All right, Let's move on to another question here. Let's
go to Blue Cruise, who is asking, based on eyewitness
reports of observing the super athletic abilities of the Sasquatch
dog men and other cryptids, does this indicate the necessity
of a second heart and possibly a third lung robin.

Speaker 2 (02:33:49):
No.

Speaker 10 (02:33:50):
In fact, when they did the DNA study, those to
my knowledge, that was never brought up that I have
ever heard that were present. They do have an extremely
large lung capacity, which is why you can also see
a lot of them that like to swim. They can
hold their breath for long periods of time underwater. But
we have not to this point, we have not seen

(02:34:11):
where there's a third lung or second heart.

Speaker 3 (02:34:15):
Where would you put the third lung? I don't know.

Speaker 16 (02:34:20):
But their lung capacity is massive.

Speaker 4 (02:34:24):
But I'm just like, I don't. I don't think they
need it. Yeah, you know, they have lungs besides the
horses pretty much, so I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:34:32):
That's either way.

Speaker 1 (02:34:34):
It's a good question.

Speaker 16 (02:34:36):
Yeah, really good question.

Speaker 3 (02:34:38):
Let's see the secondary heart being.

Speaker 4 (02:34:39):
You know, to me, I think that would be like
you know, that would make so much of the human
body than anybody more efficient secondary heart system.

Speaker 3 (02:34:49):
But you know, I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:34:51):
I don't think we Yeah, let's go to Derek Robin.
Have you ever been told why dog man isn't connected
with you as much as Bigfoot is? Has the Bigfoot
clans given you any insights on this or maybe the
dog man.

Speaker 10 (02:35:06):
First of all? Whoever said they're not. I have had
dogmen around me since I was very small. I do
not have problems with dogmen at all. Most of my
Sasquatch have dogmens around them. There are places in the
country and in the world where dogmen and sasquatch will
not share territory. The ones that have been around me

(02:35:27):
not only have they shared territory. While they don't interact
a lot. I did have one section or one group
in Michigan that actually cross bread and that's because there
is a link there that they can. And I had
a hybrid that the mom was dogmen, the father was sasquatch.
But I've always had dogmen around me. Again, I've not

(02:35:50):
had problems with them. Have I had contact from aggressive dogmen?

Speaker 16 (02:35:55):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (02:35:56):
Have I ever had any of them go after me? No,
I've had them come right up by the house. I've
had them look in the window. I've gotten pictures, So yeah,
I have had Granted, the sasquatch tend to be more
chatty than the dog men. The dogmen are more stoic.

(02:36:16):
They come around just as much. The sasquatch seem to
be more interactive.

Speaker 16 (02:36:20):
Than a dogmen.

Speaker 10 (02:36:22):
But as far as having them around, absolutely have them
around just as much as I do the sasquatch.

Speaker 16 (02:36:29):
They're just a different type of being.

Speaker 1 (02:36:31):
Let's move on here. Let's next ask a question from Oh,
let's go to Moody or Moon Cookies. What are your
thoughts on the drones in Scandinavia there, Christian McLeod, I
don't have.

Speaker 3 (02:36:46):
Any particular thoughts in the drones of Scandinavia. I'm not
aware of.

Speaker 1 (02:36:51):
Denmark has been hit with with drones recently, much like
the New Jersey area, and from what I am hearing
from my insiders, they're drones. It has nothing to do
with you.

Speaker 3 (02:37:06):
I But here's the other thing is why would they
go to Scandinavia.

Speaker 1 (02:37:10):
I mean, well, they started, they started, my opinion on it,
without any insider information. They started right a couple of
days before the UN meetings in New York, and of
course certain leaders, maybe ones in Russia, weren't invited. And yeah,

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all of a sudden, in the middle of one of
the most peaceful countries in the world, in Denmark, you know,
you start dropping drones in there.

Speaker 4 (02:37:40):
Highest living satisfaction on the planet last time my looks
was Denmark. It's supposed to be the nicest and they
have an extensive history of living be longeviy there. I
think I saw something or their average senior citizens ninety
seven something like that. I don't know how long that was,

(02:38:00):
but that was I remember reading that. Very interesting there.
But why would you choose to target Denmark? I mean,
what have the Danes done to anyone?

Speaker 1 (02:38:09):
Well, that's probably the reason they're boring.

Speaker 3 (02:38:12):
Well, I mean I can't think about it now.

Speaker 4 (02:38:15):
Now, back back way, back way in thousand years ago,
that was a Viking stronghold.

Speaker 3 (02:38:19):
So, you know, I think what happens, they just evolved.

Speaker 1 (02:38:22):
This is what happens when you lose the sword and brain.

Speaker 10 (02:38:27):
I think we need to be ready though, because there
are going to be false flags all over the entire
globe when this comes about, with these disclosures, people need
to realize that this will be a global thing. This
will not be a United States thing. It will be
a global disclosure. It's not going to stay just with

(02:38:48):
us and within this country. From every contact that I've had,
it is all always been said it would be global,
and I think there are so many false flags going
off right now it is ridiculous. So and it's all
for people to be confused, and that way the government
can keep a stronghold as well. But it's going to

(02:39:09):
be too much because eventually the truth comes out and
you can't change the truth.

Speaker 16 (02:39:14):
It is what it is.

Speaker 10 (02:39:16):
But I think that a lot of these drones, you're
going to see him on a global network.

Speaker 16 (02:39:19):
It's not going to be just in one place or another.

Speaker 1 (02:39:23):
I would agree with that. I love this next question.
This is one of my favorite stories ever on this show.
In January twenty nineteen, three year old Casey Hathaway went
missing in the North Carolina woods for three days. He
said he was with a bear that took care of him.
Has anyone ever followed up with him now that he's nine.

Speaker 4 (02:39:45):
As far as I know know, And the reason why
is the parents wouldn't let them. But I totally believe
that was a bigfoot situation. And here's why we have
the same kind of story in Michigan in the thirties
or I'm sorry, the eighteen forty seven, I believe, where
a young lady was abducted and it was by a
dog man and he took very good care of her

(02:40:06):
fetter berries. He ate her hat, which was weird. She
made a point of saying he ate her hat, but
it was very weird. But I believe, you know, above
all else due to a harm to children, And I
think that's kind of a universal, uh you know, spot
for for for any kind of entity, specifically any kind
of mammals, because if you look at it, I mean,

(02:40:28):
you've had children raised by wolves or stories and stuff
like that. So for me to think that a big
foot or a dog man wouldn't take care of a child,
I believe they would. I don't think they're that cruel
where they're just you know, killed on Saturday, eat it.

Speaker 3 (02:40:41):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (02:40:41):
I think that's like when you see a big dog
seeing a puppy, it's going to be the most vicious
dog in the world, and she's a little baby puppy.

Speaker 3 (02:40:48):
It's not gonna kill it.

Speaker 4 (02:40:50):
It understands that that's a puppy, it's a baby, and
it's gonna take care of it.

Speaker 3 (02:40:53):
So I kind of think that's just that's just me.
But I think that in the.

Speaker 4 (02:40:58):
You know, the human part of their brain, they see
that and that's that's what they go with. Robin's probably
better answer, that's the idea.

Speaker 16 (02:41:07):
Well, No, I tend to agree with you number one.

Speaker 10 (02:41:09):
When that happened and they first came out with it,
and you know, the child said that it was a bear,
and everybody automatically figured that it was a Sasquatch, which,
in my personal opinion from talking with the Sasquatch, it
was I'm just that's my opinion, and that's what I've
always been told. But as soon as that came out,

(02:41:29):
those parents went on lockdown, like nobody could get near
this kid, and that's when it switched over to it's
a bear. My guess is at that point the government
came in and said, no, it's a bear.

Speaker 16 (02:41:40):
Remember it's a bear.

Speaker 4 (02:41:43):
And but no, I remember them. I'm not sorry I
talkobe Rob. But it wasn't just a bear. It was
a female bear. Remember they said that was like they
specially said it was. It was a female bear and
the babies like were hanging on or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:41:57):
There's something to do with the female bear. I remember that.
That wasn't too far up the street. But that that's
a great question, you know, I'd like to look into
that because I'm wondering.

Speaker 4 (02:42:06):
I'm wondering what's going on with that now, because actually
I heard they moved. They're no longer in North Carolina.
I thought I thought they were on the West coast somewhere.
But that's that's a great question.

Speaker 16 (02:42:18):
They went on lockdown with that child. Immediately.

Speaker 10 (02:42:21):
It brought on a lot of publicity. Nobody wanted to
talk about it. It got pushed under the rug immediately.

Speaker 4 (02:42:30):
Yeah, that was like in the news here that maybe
a day. Maybe it was just like a blurb on
the news. That was it, because they did not talk
about it much.

Speaker 1 (02:42:40):
So for people who don't recall the story, this three
year old was playing in the yard of their family house.
It was winter time, so the three year old was
was put up in a winter jacket, a you know,
a hat and some gloves, and I believe there were
the siblings that were playing with the child outside as well,

(02:43:05):
and all of a sudden, the youngest one disappeared, vanished,
was gone for three days. People at police and search
and rescue searched all over the area, and three days
later they found the child in a briar patch. Had
not suffered any sort of pneumonia from being out in

(02:43:28):
the wilderness, there was no frostbite, There was nothing to
do with anything, considering this was at the heart of winter,
and the child stated that a big teddy bear had
taken care of the child. Now, the area in the
briar patch where the child was found. That area was

(02:43:49):
on one of the main paths that the rescuers were
going in to go into the forest, and they'd walked
by that area at least five times before the child
was found there. The child was not bruised, the child
was not hurt, and in fact, they even said the
child was fed.

Speaker 4 (02:44:06):
Well, not only that that where they had been that
You're right, they've been there five or six times, but
they photographed that area prior.

Speaker 16 (02:44:15):
So another even if another said.

Speaker 4 (02:44:18):
They hadn't been there, that they had been there because
they took pictures of that exact Brier Pass and because
they were started trying to a grid, they used a
grid system, and what they did is they took photographs
of every grid they went to, and they went to
that place at least five times. So yeah, I mean
that that to me, that's crazy, But that that goes
along what we were talking about Rob earlier about people
disappearing and then being found in like you know, places

(02:44:39):
that have ever been searched.

Speaker 10 (02:44:41):
Well, the thing of it is too, it is very
common and I've had this happen with females before when
they take their babies, like let's say they've got to
go they're gonna go get food, or they're gonna go
do something normally. Normally, they will give it to one
of the other females. They can babysit or whatever. If
there is another female that's going to watch, they will
put them in a area that is either a briar

(02:45:04):
patch or out in the middle of a pond where
there's a lot of tall reeds, where there's a dry
spot there that makes it harder, something that will make
it where other people don't want to go there.

Speaker 16 (02:45:15):
They will hide them, okay.

Speaker 10 (02:45:17):
Which is exactly what they did with this little boy.
The other thing, too, is a bear is not going
to go get food and feed a child. A child
at three years of age is not going to be
able to sustain itself for three days.

Speaker 16 (02:45:30):
If it was a bear.

Speaker 10 (02:45:31):
The other thing, even if the bear was being very gentle,
it's still his claws, it still has a mouth, It
does not have hands. There would be not know mortal
wounds on it, but there'd be some kind of scratching.
There was not one there for that child to be
put in that brier patch was done deliberately so that
someone could find him.

Speaker 1 (02:45:47):
I agree on that. I want to add to that too.
The worst time of the year for a bear to
be angry is when it's woken up due to hunger
or noise in hibernation, and that's exactly the time. If
it was a bear, it's going to be angry and
looking for food. And a young child of three years

(02:46:10):
old is going to be a free meal.

Speaker 3 (02:46:15):
Child.

Speaker 1 (02:46:16):
If it was a bear, would have been eaten.

Speaker 10 (02:46:21):
The other thing too, I want to point out for people.
I mean, most people might already know this, so if
you do, I apologize for repeating it.

Speaker 16 (02:46:29):
In their culture.

Speaker 10 (02:46:31):
In a Sasquatch culture, they are overly protective of their children, Okay,
more so than we are. When they see a child
that is outside. You know, it's very common for us
to let our kids play in the backyard, maybe go
in the house and make them lunch or whatever, and
we think they're fine because whether they're in a fenced
backyard or they're right outside the window, we can see them.

(02:46:51):
That is not how a Sasquatch looks at it. If
they see a child alone, that is a child without
a clan, That is a child that needs protection. You
have a child walking behind you, and this is why
I implore parents when you take your children out in
the woods, you have them walk in front of you.

Speaker 16 (02:47:07):
They do not walk behind you.

Speaker 10 (02:47:09):
It's not that they not that there aren't some that
are aggressive, but they look at a child behind that
is a child not being cared for. In their mind,
their culture is one hundred different than ours, and in
order to be able to be around them and work
around them, and even sometimes that doesn't give you any protection,
you have to understand the way their minds work and
their culture.

Speaker 16 (02:47:28):
So they think that's a child without a clan.

Speaker 10 (02:47:31):
So they would and there are some that have lost
a child that will grab a child just because they're
mourning or whatever. In this case, I don't think that
was it. I think they actually thought that they were
taking care of this child.

Speaker 16 (02:47:43):
They made sure that the.

Speaker 10 (02:47:44):
Child got back where he was supposed to be long
They took excellent care of him, just like a mother would.

Speaker 16 (02:47:50):
I put him it.

Speaker 4 (02:47:51):
Because even in wolf packs, the alpha is the last one.
They have the older ones out front, the older weak
ones are out for because they're sitting in the pace.
Then you have the young bucks, and then you know
the young ones in the middle, and then you have
the kids behind that, and then you have the mothers,
and then you have basically the alpha in the back kind.

Speaker 3 (02:48:10):
Of keep an eye on everyone. So I think that's
the way they work. The other thing in THEO was
left alone, what would you do, rob Oh?

Speaker 16 (02:48:19):
I know.

Speaker 10 (02:48:19):
The other thing you need to be aware of is
they can imitate any voice. And this is just kind
of FYI for parents. When my kids were little, they
all interacted with the Sasquatch because they grew up with
them around.

Speaker 16 (02:48:30):
Okay, we had a rule at our house.

Speaker 10 (02:48:33):
If they heard me calling them and I was in
the woods, they were never to go unless they could
physically see me. I don't care if I said I
was dying, they were not to go. Because they imitate voices.
They can imitate your voice so that nobody can tell
it's not you. And so that was a rule at
my house was unless you physically see me, you don't go.
You're not going to get grounded, you're not going to

(02:48:54):
be in trouble, nothing's going to be taken away.

Speaker 16 (02:48:56):
But unless you have a.

Speaker 10 (02:48:57):
Physical sighting of me, you do not follow the voice.
I don't care who it is.

Speaker 3 (02:49:02):
That's smart.

Speaker 1 (02:49:03):
Let's sneak in one or two more questions here. Let's
go next to sweet Tony d in the UK Christian.
Have you ever heard about the FBI looking into Sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (02:49:16):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:49:16):
Sure, I've actually got documentation of in the early seventies
of when they were actually looking into it, and they
were sent hair samples and footprints, tracks and prints that
had been you know, all plaster of Paris, and they
actually had the fingerprints, and they had the footprints with

(02:49:37):
the tracks on them and the mid tarsal breaks and
all that evidence disappeared. So I'm I think the FEDS
have known about Sasquatch Bigfoot forever, and just I just
want to say, for the record, Dave, I'm telling you
right now my belief is the United States federal government
has known about Bigfoot at least since the Jeffersonian administration,
maybe even before. Maybe Washington knew about him. But when

(02:49:59):
walked Washington, you know, he wasn't all about westward expansion.
He wanted to can I keep thirteen colonies in line?
But Jefferson was all about expansion, and he knew point
blank when he sent Lewis and Clark out there, they
were going to run into the Harryman. And that's one
of the reasons why he wanted them to have such
a strong connection with the Native Americans is because they
knew how to deal with them. There's actually depiction and

(02:50:21):
the original volumes of Lewis and Clark of the Harryman
that they meet and in nineteen fifty one that was
actually edited.

Speaker 3 (02:50:27):
Out of their encyclopedia.

Speaker 4 (02:50:31):
So I'm a firm believer they've known about the Federal
government center about Sasquash for at least two hundred years,
maybe more.

Speaker 3 (02:50:40):
I mean the least, because.

Speaker 4 (02:50:41):
If you think about it, really our country is only
two hudred and fift years old, and you know, a
lot of stuff can happen two undred fifty years, but
a lot of stuff a is gonna be covered up
in two hundred fifty years. And if you think about it,
if you look at things the way Jefferson was, Jefferson
wanted westward expansion.

Speaker 3 (02:50:57):
He wanted this country to get huge. He wanted it.

Speaker 4 (02:51:00):
That was one of the big things his administration was
Westbrook expansion. And he knew if reports came back about
you know, you know eight foot hairy man that was
going around picking people up and throwing them in the
trees and then pulling their heads off for fun. People
may not be so inclined as to go in the
Ohio River Valley or past the Mississippi and things like that.
So you know, I totally understand why they covered up,

(02:51:21):
but they've known about it for I'm going to say
they've known about it since the inception of the country.

Speaker 3 (02:51:26):
But thanks, Tony Due, that's a great question.

Speaker 1 (02:51:29):
I don't know if we'll have time to sneak in
one more here, but Christian, tell everybody where they can
find your work.

Speaker 3 (02:51:36):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:51:37):
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(02:52:00):
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