Sept. 17/25 - Ghosts of the Great White North

Paranormal Investigator 'MERLE' from the Paranormal Roadtrippers joins us for the monthly edition of 'Ghosts of the Great White North'. Tonight we travel to Washington State, where Eric, Matt and Austin from North by Northwest Paranormal come in to talk about some of their favourite hauntings from the Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 1 (01:56):
Dave Scotch from the mountain of Central British Columbia to
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as our main man, Merle the Paranormal Road Trippers comes

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in for Ghosts of the Great White North, and we
got a great group of paranormal investigators who are going
to tell their stories and hauntings as well. Then in
our number three, Josh Rutledge will be here for the
UFO Report, filling in for an ailing Tim James. We're
going to have a great night. I didn't get to
swamp dweller. I promise that I'm gonna try better for tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Swampy.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Don't hate me for it. Just do not hate me.
For That's all I really ask. And I know if
I ask, I shall receive, So he's going to be
good with it. All right, it's time to talk some ghosts.
Merle is a season paranormal investigator based in Langley, British Columbia,
widely known as Merle on spaced out Radio That's right here,
right here. With over two decades of experience, he brings

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a grounded, methodical approach to exploring the unexplained, combining historical
research with first hand encounters. Since twenty fifteen. Merle has
been a regular on this show and a monthly segment
called Ghosts of the Great White North, sharing chilling stories
and investigating insights with listeners across North America. And we

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love it when he's here because you know it's Merle.
How can you not enjoy Merle very much? Merle? How
you doing doing fantastic? Dave?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I am looking forward tonight's show? And you know what
your new studio looks nice and pretty. I like the bar,
I like the big Foot. Yeah, looks great.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's very nice. Even though our radio audience can't see it.
It does hate. I was painting a picture for them.
I know. I love you for it. I do, Yeah,
I do. You brought some friends with us todight out
of you know, northwestern Washington state. Merle, who are we
talking with tonight?

Speaker 4 (04:42):
We have north By Northwest Paranormal. They're based out of, yes,
the Pacific, northwest Washington, and I came across their instagram
quite I've been following them for quite a while and
as the YouTube videos are pretty awesome too, and I
noticed that we have both cross path set of various
locations throughout Washington. So I would like to pick their

(05:06):
brain on a lot of the investigations, a lot of
the haunts up there and see what they have to say.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes, absolutely wonderful. Gentlemen. Welcome to spaced Out Radio for
the first time. It's good to have you with us.
And you know what, the paranormal is something that I
think over the last few years has kind of, you know,
taken a downward spiral in the fact considering it, you know,
eight nine years ago, it was at its peak. Everybody

(05:33):
wanted to do it, everybody was getting into it. Everybody
and their dog had a paranormal podcast, a paranormal YouTube channel,
you know, posting everything. How did you guys get started?

Speaker 5 (05:45):
Well, yeah, I don't know, it's not really quite an
exciting story.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
We all we all worked together at one point and
then we're just in the office one day and you're like, hey,
you like the paranormal.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
I like the paranormal. Hey you got ghosts on the equipment?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Sweet.

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
I think it was over a new episode or some
kind of some storyline with ghost hunters or ghost adventures,
and we're just like, oh, oh, yeah, you watched that.
And then we're like, hey, let's just let's get together
one day and go out. Yeah, that's kind of just
where it started, was a joke to mess around, and
then it turned into a passion honestly.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
And it was like our first investigations where we're just like,
oh my god, yeah this is amazing, Like let's keep
doing this.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
And so that's kind of and here we are.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
You know, I do have to say, you know, it
takes a lot of commitment to do this, and you know, Eric,
just your thoughts. Why did you guys decide this was
something that you wanted to do? Was it? Was it
just something to do that's different? It was it a
you know, I know for me, Man, I love going
into the field, and I'm not a researcher. I'm an enthusiast,

(06:53):
you know. Was it was it just to have that
experience to confirm for yourself, Eric, that there's something out there? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I think a lot of it was with my family.

Speaker 8 (07:04):
My dad and he was always in the supernatural or
anything like that, paranormal, and he was always trying to
scare us as kids growing up, and I think that
kind of carried on to us kids, and it's kind
of been almost like a lifelong fascination with it. And
when I met these guys, you know, we kind of
took that dive into it and then.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, and that's where it kind of hit it off.

Speaker 8 (07:27):
It was more than I expected it to be, and
I loved it way more than I thought it would.
Just the weird things that we happened to happen to
capture just on our first investigation, just she got there
to see what's going to go on, and we were
pretty surprised about it.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
One question I like to ask teams when we bring
them on is like, for me, I got into the
paranormal because I had experiences growing up at a young age.
Now did any of you guys have experiences or is
it more of like watching shows getting into it that way?

Speaker 7 (07:59):
I think god, all of us here, I've always since
I was young had some form of kind of experiences,
or at least even when I was younger, I didn't
quite know what it was or what anything was, but
I've always had interactions or seeing ghost spirits or hearing them.

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So I've always, since I was young, had interactions.

Speaker 6 (08:23):
Yeah, and that's what we've kind of, you know, when
it comes to forming this group, we've all noticed, we've
all had some sort of like experiences like I've never
had experiences growing up, even all the way until.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
We started do our investigations.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
You know, I've always been fascinated with the TV shows,
and like you said, years ago, this is when I
was at its peak, and that's when I was super
interested in shows. You knows all sorts of shows you
can see even today with just paranormal experiences. So I
would always be watching them, which got be fascinated into it.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And then yeah, mine was kind of the same thing.

Speaker 8 (08:55):
I remember watching Ghost Hunters when that came out, started
from the very beginning on that and just fascinated with it.
Gill Cementary, is America smeus haunted? You're always watching that?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah? That that really tacked.

Speaker 8 (09:08):
Everything off, just always that obsession with it and having
to try to try to feel it for myself to
see what's actually going on right.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Now now, Austin, you said you had experiences growing up.
What would you say to be your earliest what happened?

Speaker 5 (09:24):
So my earliest I think I had to be.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
Just coming out of middle school going into high school probably,
and it was a I called him Peter. I don't
know why, just Peter seemed like a fitting name. But
he was a shadow figure that would appear on my wall.
It was always kind of late at night and everything's
settled down and quiet, nothing egregious, never jump scared.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
You'd just kind of be you'd be doing something, you see.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
Him and you kind of look at it, look at him,
and then you just kind of go on his way.
And that lasts the whole time I lived there, and
that's kind of where I was like, oh, maybe there
is more to what I understand or what we might
see on ghost Hunters, ghost Adventures, all of that haunted travels.
And from there I just kind of opened my eyes more.
It paid more attention, and I've had multiple experiences since then,

(10:16):
just personally, you know, things walking up behind me when
nothing's there. I used to live on a house that
had three ghosts at one time, or three spirits, had
a little girl, a shadow figure, and then somebody that
I don't know what it quite what it quite was,
but it always moved the controller when you were walking
with the remote when you were watching TV. He just

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kind of move it and that would be it, like
he wanted the channel changed. Yeah, so it was always fun.
I've always had a good experience. It's nothing, terrifle.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Was it about.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Da sorry?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Was it about having the experiences Matt? Or was it
more about learning about what is truly out there? Is
there something in life after death?

Speaker 6 (11:03):
And that is a question that I want to answer
that I want to find out myself. I mean, I
would say I'm probably, you know, with having no experiences
all the way up until we started doing this. You know,
I'm always kind of I wouldn't say skeptical, but like
pretty critical about the evidence that we get. You know,
I always try to find a reasoning behind the evidence

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that we get. And if I can't find anything that
were to prove whether you know, this device over here
went off by something around us that you know that
I have to objectively say that was something paranormal. Right,
So that's basically just my objective and a question that
I want to answer and find out myself.

Speaker 9 (11:43):
Is you know basically that?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
So is that an important question for you? I mean,
considering you're dealing with people who we can assume we're
living at one time, is it something for you that
you want to find out? Hey? Is this what I'm
going to be doing once I exit my body?

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right?

Speaker 6 (12:02):
That's basically how I keep that mindset because that's how
I treat the spirits that I communicate with in our investigations.
I treat them as it was a person wants to living.
So I'm gonna treat them with the respect that they deserve, right,
I'm not going to go in there and trying to
and you know, aggravate or anything like that. You know,
if I were if I were dead and I were
to pass on and maybe I'm still lingering around.

Speaker 9 (12:24):
I would want to be treated with respect.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
So I'm going to treat them with respect that I
would want to be treated with, just like a person.
So that's kind of my mindset when it comes to
communicating with the spirits.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
And how about for you, Austin.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
I personally believe that every spirit, ghost, shadow, figure that
you might you know, see come across or interact with,
was once a human.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
I'm very strong in that, just due.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
To the very intellectual responses you potentially can get during
some investigations like we have. And I'm not one too
believing coincidences. Everything is happening at you know, the chance
of multiple you know, devices maybe going off at once
for that to happen on separate occasions or with different aspects.

(13:13):
That's that's a lot lining up in the universe for
that to just happen. So I personally do believe that
you know, they were human, and you know, I can't
say I would totally be mad at this moment if
I was a ghost and when I pass on, But
who knows, it could do not be as fun as
it sounds.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I don't know, man, I think being a ghost would
be pretty good, right, I think you could do the
revenge or shows whenever you want. Yeah, now, Matt, you
said you didn't have many experiences growing up. You enjoyed
the shows, you enjoyed all that sort of stuff. Now

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now that you're on a team, how long have you
guys been a team?

Speaker 9 (13:56):
Been team since twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Okay, what's your first experience like doing doing the ghost thing?

Speaker 6 (14:05):
It was our first investigation, and you know, when it
comes to the perception I got from watching those shows
growing up, right, And the perception that I got was that,
you know, ghost evil, scary. Right, So I was a
little jumpy in our first investigation. But I remember the

(14:28):
very last part of our investigation we got we're getting
all these responses, We're getting responses on spirit box. We're
getting emf spikes when there shouldn't be. All of a sudden,
we're just like, all right, I think that's it. It's
time to go. And we go and we're about to
head towards the door. The door just slam shut on us.
And so at that point I was just like, oh

(14:49):
my god. I was like, that's something's trying to trap
me in here to get out of here. But then
Austin was like, okay, hold on, wait, you know, it's
just spieled out a little bit, and so we started
asking questions and you know, eventually we stayed there for
a little longer, starting got like spearbox readings.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Then it kind of slowed down a little bit, and
I just remember like, all right.

Speaker 9 (15:07):
I think that's it. I think it's time to go.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Right we got we got everything we could, and the
door just opened that and I was just like, all right,
that that is not a coincidence. Right there, we're saying, okay,
let's go, and all of a sudden, door closes and
then a little bit later, okay, time to go.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Door opens and it was like it was a heavy.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah, it's a pretty heavy door.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
We are on door.

Speaker 8 (15:27):
Yeah, we went back, trying to open it, trying to
recreate the whole thing, and it was pretty still on
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
So yeah, that stood out pretty pretty well.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
At that point, I was just like, all right, I mean.

Speaker 9 (15:39):
I'm ready for this.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
And so that was basically just my experience to where
it's like I cannot explain that I did everything I could.

Speaker 9 (15:46):
You know, it wasn't windy enough that door.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
We tried to recreate that as best we could, but
at that point we're just like, I was like, all right, Yeah,
this is something I could do for the long run.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Where was this place? Where was your first investigation or
experience this stuff?

Speaker 8 (16:00):
So our first one that we did was at Northern
State Hospital, the recreational grounds.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
I love that place.

Speaker 8 (16:07):
Yeah, Yeah, that's an amazing place, beautiful, that's the whole place.
There was the fall that we went, it was everywhere.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Cold, over mud. We got stuck in, yeah, some mud.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
So for our listeners, Northern State, it's it's a shutdown.
Part of it's still active. I think psychiatric hospital asylum.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
Yeah, a lot of history, very not positive, not all
I won't say it's all negative.

Speaker 9 (16:40):
A lot of negative practices, yes.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
And that's we experienced the barn door.

Speaker 10 (16:45):
Oh I think I know a building you're talking about,
the milking barn.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
And then we went back there last year, so last year.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah, I call last year.

Speaker 6 (16:57):
Yeah, last year, and that door was gone. But we
still had equally as weird experiences. But yeah, I tried to.
That was my main goal going back there, was like, Okay,
I want to get the door to And then first
thing I went there checked the door.

Speaker 9 (17:07):
It was torn off.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
God dang it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
As you guys have gone down this road of the
paranormal and have experienced different hauntings, different locations and everything,
what have you found, Matt that captivates you about the subject,
about what you're doing.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Well, captivates me. It's the unknown.

Speaker 6 (17:35):
I'm a naturally just curious person and investigation is just
what fascinates me.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
So I just I want to know. I want to
contribute in the field of the paranormal.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
I think we can all agree that you know a
lot of the paranormal, you know, mainstream I wouldn't say mainstream,
but like a lot of paranormal stuff can be very
mis questionable and misleading, right, one of my I guess
what I would like to strive to do is just
have an objective look at the paranormals, so anybody can

(18:13):
see this and have some sort of you know, decision themselves.
And I think we can all agree that we're not
really out here trying to sway one way or another.
We try to present our evidence, our findings in a
way that anybody can look at it and make hopefully
an objective opinion based on what we post. And so

(18:35):
basically that's just my goal, and I think I think
we'd all agree that's all of our goals, because you
don't really see that a whole lot, and I think,
you know, just watching laws like again, the mainstream stuff
that's kind of lacking.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
One of my critiques of the paranormal and I haven't
said this a little while, so Murle will just sit
here and shake his head and roll designs at me.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
I know what's coming up, David.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
One of my critiques has always been what do you
do with your evidence? Okay, because you know, I actually
believe it or not. For a long time, outside of Merle,
stop doing paranormal shows, because there wasn't a single paranormal
investigator who could answer that question. As I would say,
what do you do with your evidence? Well, we review it, okay,

(19:24):
Well what do you do with it after? Well? We
store it? Well, what are you doing with your evidence?
What are you trying to solve? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
We move on to the next case.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, And and to me, it really as somebody
who is an experiencer turned me off of a subject
that I love, because it was really these a lot
of these people and I'm not saying you guys, and
I definitely known merlestyt like that, but a lot of
a lot of these people were just doing it for

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the popularity they wanted. They wanted their shot at a
television show, or they wanted their shot at growing there.
You know, this even goes beyond, you know, the last
number of years where YouTube and other streaming services have
taken over and it's all about clicks, it's all about
likes and shares and all sorts of fun stuff, you know.

(20:16):
But before that, these people really weren't solving anything. They
were going into people's houses, going into people's businesses and saying, yeah,
your place is haunted. Well that's why I called you, right,
I didn't call you to confirm something that I already know.
But so My question is for your guests, for where

(20:39):
you investigate and what you do. What is the ultimate
goal for you guys on an investigation, Because it's okay
if you're saying, hey man, we're just going for the thrill,
or hey, we're trying to help people. So how do
you guys look at the overall topic of north by Northwest?

Speaker 7 (20:59):
Yeah, no, that's a great question, and so we do
We make a We kind of put everything in o
archives and we've started building a library of our findings
that we hope just gets big enough that we will
put it on our website. So you could, you know,
it's good spend a good couple hours just reviewing evidence
and maybe even getting submissions from around the world as

(21:19):
they happen. But beyond that, we've always said that, you know,
a video is great, but we could always do.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
More than that.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
So we like to get involved in the local communities.
So we have the snow Owl Library Systems that is
in Snowbush County. We do a lot of seminars, especially
you know, Halloween time while we go out and do
seminars for the at the public libraries for the general public,
and you know, we just kind of go hey, this
is what we do around the area.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Maybe you guys haven't heard of this.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
Maybe you guys have heard of this, This is what
we caught or this is what we didn't get based
off these claims, based off of this, whatever it may be.
And so we like to do that because that gets us,
you know, a good chill spot to say, hey, you
don't have to go watch a video, come listen to
us talk about it or something like that. And then
obviously we do festivals and uh, you know, more seminars obviously,

(22:07):
and then when it comes to homeowners, we we take
every everything they say and we were not necessarily there
to prove what they are claiming, but we're there to
say this is.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
What we were able to capture.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
And I think going that route and instead of trying
to prove what, like, you know, Dave, you just said
something they may already believe fullheartedly, us just saying yes
and showing them a you know, a video isn't doing much.
It's hey, I think you don't have anything to worry
about based off of these responses that we we got
at this time, based off of the questions asked, and

(22:41):
we try to just we we do a lot of
historical research for the our You know, our clients more
than they they may even know about.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
So we try to give them just everything.

Speaker 7 (22:52):
It's it's not just to confirm or deny what they
might be claiming.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
It's here's a history of building.

Speaker 7 (22:58):
Here's some of the stuff that happened in this exact
area and this exact you know property. This is what
we found based of what you said, and this is
you know, this is what it is. We're not here
to convince you, and we're not here to not convince you.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
We're just here to say this is what it is.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Yeah, and then some of like the some of it
going like I had to add on top of that,
I guess. Our most recent investigation was a business called
Temperate Habits in Mount Vernon, and a lot of the
stories that they told was of a brown hat man.
So our goal at that point was to maybe find out,
you try to communicate with that brown hat man, who

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are you, why are you here?

Speaker 9 (23:35):
What do you want?

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Do you like?

Speaker 5 (23:38):
You know, kind of asking questions whether.

Speaker 6 (23:41):
They like the employees, because of some of the employees
would feel a little scared going in there. Some employees
found make it a little little thrilling. So we tried to
ask questions like maybe who are you why here? I know,
when did you die? Questions like that to where the
owners and the employees to where they can feel a
little safer in their place, or if we can get

(24:03):
like maybe a name to whur they even after that,
just like like cleansing the place if they're like, hey,
if you guys don't feel comfortable with the entent to you,
we can you know, people who can cleanse, So we'll
offer those cleansings and even for like homeowners where they're like,
you know, going back to like you know, confirming whether
they you know, they hear a couple of things here
and there, so we're gonna confirm that the place.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Is onto for them.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Right then, I'm gonna cut you off right there because
we do have to go to break. I apologize me.
We got to apologize when we got to go to break.
Here go to the Great White North with our main
man merle Is coming up here and we got special
guests Matt eric at Austin from North Bite, Northwest Parandormal
out of Washington State. It's a fun topic. So far,

(24:47):
this is spaced out radio. It is go sit Ghoules
for the next hour and a half on the show.
Sit back, relax, you'll enjoy We'll be right back. All right,

(25:14):
we are clear.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Cool. That was That was a quick half hour.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Blue. I loved your answer, by the way, because I
do find that that is a difficult question for a
lot of paranormal people they answered. I thought you answered
it extremely well, So thank you.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
It was. It is a very good question answer.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
It's it's hard to answer because each investigation is completely different.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Oh, very true, Jason. I just I'm batching it this
next couple of days, so I just got to make
sure that uh that my boy upstairs is in bed and.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
And yeah, I get it. I got you.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I'll be right back. Guys, understandable.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
No, that was good. I enjoyed that answer a lot.
That's exactly kind of how I roll to. You do
the history, You do the research before you even walk
into a building, right.

Speaker 6 (26:07):
Yeah, so that plays a big part, I think, yeah,
because it's like it's like the history of the place,
the witness accounts, and it's like usually when you get
the witness accounts and the history that ties into the
evidence that you get. That's that is I would rather
get anything that kind of correlates together than any sort

(26:27):
of door swinging or anything like that. Because if it's
like history says this, witness says this, we experienced that firsthand.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
That combines the two that we found that is amazing.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
It's a home run. That's That's kind of what I
go for too. I'd rather have those type of experiences
from the history or the yeah, like the witness and
stuff where you can confirm instead of just going in guns,
the blazing and yeah.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
I think my favorite more than anything, even a full
even if we got a full body apparition, maybe, I
think repeated evidence.

Speaker 11 (27:01):
It was the biggest, biggest What was the our second
investigation over at Mirkwood. M hm, you were there too,
it was it was at Mirkwood. Remember when what's what?
What was the spirit's name?

Speaker 5 (27:16):
Oh, who's who?

Speaker 6 (27:21):
Yeah, the story was that there was a girl who
who the building burned down, there was a girl who
died in the fire. Guests of the place were actually
ran out by a girl in a pink purple dress
with burns on our face. And and so I remember
we were with the employee and we're like, oh, yeah,
there was history of a girl who burned.

Speaker 9 (27:42):
Her face was just like, oh.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
My god, that match is exactly what happened. And then
I remember down the basement and we asked, oh are
we talking to Abby and one of the one of
the devices that we.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
Did were just yes, instant. Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
So all that correlation right there is just like a
mind blowing.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
It's like the part of the movie where they say
the title and then everything just kind of comes together.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
That's how it makes sense.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
That it's good, especially like with residential houses too, when
when you go in and people are having all this
this weird stuff happen and you just like uncover something
from the house of the property or I don't know,
it's just it's your answer is spot on. That's that's
literally I can get that answer.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
No.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
I love questions like that because I mean you if
you applied that same question to ghost hunters or ghost
of ventures, like what do they do afterwards? I mean,
you know, ghost Ventures that got the museum and all stuff,
but beyond that, it's like what do they do with it?
They were there for a TV show?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, next show.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
You know they're doing seven investigations, seven nights, you know
week sometimes, so I've got.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I've gone to a handful of places they've gone, and
they don't get very good yelprov is from the property owners,
their their their techniques and stuff. I'm not hating on them.
I'm just going off of what other people the neutral
with the whole Zach Beggin's thing. I'm not gonna right, but.

Speaker 10 (29:13):
But like one adule, I show up at your doorstep exactly,
but but no, like yeah, I lost my train of
out there.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
That's all right, I'm gonna cut you off anyway tomorrow.
We got about forty seconds left. I want to say
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(29:45):
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(30:06):
on out. Here we go. Oh, I lied, We're coming
back in like twenty seconds. My fault, my fault.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Uh huh m hm.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
And we're gonna come back in fifteen seconds. And what
will we change Merle's name to this time?

Speaker 4 (30:27):
I didn't understand that one, Dave.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Chris Merlo said of Chris Jericho.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
I got oh, okay, Christian Mercy, I get I get
you now, all right, the walls of merlco.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Here we go with the second half hour of spaced
Out Radio Tonight. My name is it's Dave Scott. Thank
you for joining us as we take a road to
the paranormal Tonight with Merle and Ghosts of the Great
White North. Before we bring the gentleman back, we want
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Paranormal road Trippers our main man Murle. We talk ghosts
with them on Ghost the Great White North once a
month here on the show, and we are joined by Austin,
Eric and Matt from north By Northwest Paranormal based out
of the Puget Sound in Washington State. We love these

(31:59):
guys already favorites of mine and it's only been about
half an hour since i met them. But hey, they
got great beards and that's all that matters. So thank
you for coming on in and Merle take it away.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I guess out of the five of us, I'm the
beardless one one day one day. But I'm gonna I'm
gonna hitch up with this question. I was creeping your
your website pretty good today and a lot of teams
do you have the link? I have it on mine too,
request an investigation? How do you weed them out? Because

(32:39):
I've had a lot of a lot of experiences where
I'll give you a quick one before I get you
to answer people. This was about four years ago. People
requested investigation. Me and two of my friends that were
from a previous team. We go, we do a thing,
We bring our gear, we show up and it was
a dinner party. They're like twelve to fourteen half corked

(33:04):
adults in there expecting us to put on a free show. What. Yeah,
and it was longer four years ago. I'd say it's
probably more like six six this years ago.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
That story still makes me laugh.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
It was after that date when I made a checklist
of things. I ask people when they want a residential investigation,
and I tell the story.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Don't don't nide behind the story. Tell the story because
it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Well, you know, Dave, I pulled my socks up and
I'm like, we will put on a show. And we did,
and we did the investigation. We just put all of
our gear out, acted like no one was there while
people just kept cracking beer and making stupid ghost noises.
And you know, we showed face. We got a good review,

(33:56):
and that's what you want, because it's one tarnish on
your paranormal record. And people yes, and yeah, like I said,
it was after that date, when I made a very
lengthy checklist, even questions about drug use, mental health, everything
and and and I think that's what's needed. So how

(34:16):
about you, guys, what do you do?

Speaker 8 (34:18):
That is a pretty hard one that that we haven't
luckily haven't been come across it anything that weird, but
but yeah, we we kind of go through this whole
checklist too. One thing that we do, we definitely want
to schedule a call with them after going through the
emails and going back and forth with them with some
of their questions. We definitely do that phone call with them.

(34:39):
Obviously there's still some things in there that you oftously
can't tell right off the bat, but yeah, kind of
going through that whole checklist that we have as well,
which does kind of include the same questions kind of
mental history or everything like that. Medical history. But it's
gonna be hard, especially nowadays. You know, we never know
where you're gonna get. But hopefully maybe we'll get that

(35:01):
and we'll get some free dinner out of it.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
I think one thing we've found that helps is having
a you know, instead of just scheduling right away, try
to have a good daily communication. If they are they
seem pretty serious about it. I know we were messaged
on Facebook from a family out of Oregon and it
didn't sound too urgent until you know they bring it.

(35:25):
You know, we have three young kids, and that's where
you kind of you're as a parent of three young kids.
Your your hair is kind of raise up and you're like,
all right, well, what's going on, and you take a
little more investment in what they're saying.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Where we were ready to drop whatever we're doing.

Speaker 7 (35:42):
And you know, within like two or three days we
were ready to plan a trip to go.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Six seven eight hours away.

Speaker 9 (35:48):
The mountains were snowing.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
The mountains were.

Speaker 7 (35:50):
Snow and we're like, I don't know if we're going
to get back home afterwards. So there's different things that
I think raise your or kind of make it a priority.
And when it comes to children and especially, that's when
you want to take serious.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
But you also got to really get.

Speaker 7 (36:05):
A consistent story from and that's where being in daily contact.
How you guys feel in a day, how are the
children feeling. I know it's a last anything new happened.
Did the kids wake up in the middle of the
night again and talk to the ceiling in the middle
of the hallway? You just kind of and then you
start phrasing or asking questions different you know, a little differently,

(36:25):
and they're already questions you have answers to, and you
you you start to kind of get a pattern on
whether they're going to be telling they're telling you the truth,
or it's maybe just they're all having a bad day
and they need somebody to talk to, whatever the case
may be. So I've found that just having a daily
communication or very often communication before saying yep, we're gonna come,

(36:46):
we're gonna we'll be right there, tends to help sort
out a lot of the the real stuff, well real
stuff and the whatever whatever else anybody might be trying
to trying to get our attention for.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah, and what I like to do similar to you guys,
like the daily conversation. Like I haven't done residentials in
the while. I've been focusing on other investigations. I'd love
to get back into them. I know, I get some
DMS and Instagram, but anyhow, what what I like to
do is I'll tell people two weeks from the day
they talk to me, I want them to write down

(37:19):
every single day what happens and email me at the
end of the week for two weeks, and I find
either at fizzles because it's not cool after a couple
of days and it gets boring and you never hear
from them, or if they're in genuine urgency or a
problem in their house, because we want to help. At
the end of the day, that's what we're doing. Exactly

(37:40):
they follow through. I would say it's a sixty to
forty ratio of if people actually all through. I don't
know if it's the same for you guys where you are.

Speaker 7 (37:49):
I have found I feel like we've got more things
that have panned out to be for the better than
I think we have that hasn't panned out or has
been just a waste of say, wasted time, because you know,
everything is something. But I think for the majority so far,
knock on wood, we've been pretty lucky on when people
have reached out, it's we've been able to get there

(38:10):
and investigate it.

Speaker 6 (38:12):
Yeah, there's been a couple of times where it's just
like exactly what you said, like a couple a few
days or like a week, Yeah, nothing's happening anymore.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
That's weird.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
I think businesses is more tougher than residential. You know,
We've been contacted with a couple of businesses. Hey, we
really want you guys here, and we're like, cool, well, yeah,
come on in anytime we get there. Oh they're not there.
Hey we call at this time. We call them and
they're like, ah, we're busy. And then you just you know,
four years later, here we are going a We're still

(38:43):
we're still to do that investigation.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
You're still interested.

Speaker 9 (38:46):
We actually go into the business and see the owner.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
And run out the back door.

Speaker 9 (38:51):
True story.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
The ghost people are here again, always the ghost people.
Speaking of ghosts, Matt, do you have a favorite ghost story?

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Hmm, ghost story? You know, I think.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
I think my recent encounter would probably my my favorite
because I actually lived with it for a week. So
I'm looking at it right now. More of my my
recent kind of.

Speaker 9 (39:23):
Endeavors.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
This.

Speaker 9 (39:25):
It was last week actually.

Speaker 5 (39:26):
I we had we got we acquired.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
A doll that had some interesting history with the previous owners.
So we took it off their hands and I was like, hey,
you know what, let me confirm that for you. So
I took it to my own place and I told myself,
I'm going to communicate with this doll for one hour
each day for a week and document and record my

(39:51):
you know, videotape my interactions and post them. You know,
it's kind of a live update on this my interactions
with this doll. Fully expecting to be having little to
no communications at all. Come to find out, I got
a whole lot of communications.

Speaker 9 (40:12):
You know, I have like all my devices, I have
the Flux.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
You know, most of my stuff is from ghostops, my Flux,
my envoy Modulus emf at, a rim pod all set
up around me were doing this stuff. I would ask questions.
First day I chalked up to just nearby interferences. At
the time it was a little odd. But then the
later in the week I found out that it was
just interferences that chalked up to my my readings. But

(40:36):
then as the days went on, I started asking the
very specific questions I would get. I would get names,
I would get phrases on the ovulus. I would ask
about them, Okay, like, for example, the name Alice. I
got Alice three days in a row, and so finally
I asked, why, you know, why are seeing the name Alice?

(40:58):
You know, I think at one point I asked, like,
because that had two dolls with me. So I was like, okay,
on the flux, light up the green light if the
doll with the overalls is your doll, or light up
the red light if the doll with the dress is
your doll.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
It let the green light pretty quick. So I was
like okay.

Speaker 6 (41:15):
I was like, so the doll with the overalls, I
was like, okay, you're telling me the name Alice. Are
you telling me that the doll's name is Alice? Because
they're you know, the dolls there, they look like girls.
So I was like that doll named Alice. Green light
lit up. So I was just like, okay, that's coincidental.
Let's you know, I can't really explain that. And then

(41:35):
the second day, I think that was kind of like
the highlight of that whole that whole night. And then
the second day, you know, again it's all about consistency.
Was okay, so just to confirm the doll with the overalls,
his name is Alice?

Speaker 9 (41:48):
Green light for yes.

Speaker 12 (41:49):
No.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
I was just like that confirmed, like I can't, I
can't argue with that anymore. So then I kept constantly
asking for his name. You know, I would ask very
personal questions, you know, how would you die with your name?
How old were you when you died? Are you a
child or your adult? I eventually got adult. I think
that was kind of close to the second or third days.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
And then.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
I would ask the same question again the next day
you an adult? Or like, maybe not the next day,
but a couple days after, are you an adult?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yes? Right?

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Are you?

Speaker 9 (42:18):
I think the first question asked was like are you
a child?

Speaker 5 (42:20):
And he said no? So then I asked are you
an adult? And I said yes?

Speaker 6 (42:24):
And of course when I say yes or no, this
is like my flux or my envoy, either giving the
yes or the flux red or green light, and so.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Toward.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
It was on the sixth day I started getting you
know again. I would keep asking you questions, personal questions
to know who I'm talking with. Right, I understand that
this doll I have right hero is named Alice. It
was your favorite doll. You like this doll very much.

Speaker 9 (42:48):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
I'm treating this doll with respect. I want to know
who who I'm talking to. M I keep asking the questions.
No response is whatsoever besides an adult. So then the
sixth day I got the words like devil, evil, hell.

Speaker 5 (43:02):
And so I was like, that's odd, this is this
is going in a.

Speaker 9 (43:05):
Very ominous direction.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
We don't like that, you know, And so I was like, okay,
So I'm thinking to myself. I was like, it's in
my home, you know, I'm communicating with it. I don't
want it to be feel somewhat attached to who I
am and start to linger around.

Speaker 9 (43:20):
So I asked some questions reluctantly.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
I was like, you know, is there any significance of
why you said devil lit up green on my flux?

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (43:29):
I was like, oh, break, okay, here we go.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
So I was like, okay, you said evil saying that
the devil's evil lit up green on the flex? Oh okay, Yeah,
I'm she'rereaking all green and Devil's evil okay cool. I
was like okay. And at that point I was just like,
have you seen the devil lit up green? And I
was like, hmm, I don't like the direction this is going.
So then I sat there and I phrased my questions

(43:55):
very specifically, and the timing of my flex response is
again cannot be coincidental. So I was like, okay, so
you're saying that the Devil's evil that you've seen the devil,
So if you're saying all of that, does.

Speaker 9 (44:09):
That mean that you're a demon?

Speaker 6 (44:11):
And I remember it was like within like five to
ten seconds lit up green. At that point, I was
just like, okay, well, you know what, you know, we
don't need to be communicating anymore. And that's where I
just cut off communication at that point.

Speaker 9 (44:25):
And I left it.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
I left in my apartment, you know, just overnight, just
to see if there's any sort of you know, experiences,
and I couldn't.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Again.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Throughout the whole week, I didn't notice anything in my apartment.
I would hear like weird noises here and there, which
I can kind of chalk up to just you know,
the place settling.

Speaker 5 (44:41):
Didn't really pay too much mind too.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
You know, there's a couple of times where I've seen
like I heard my door creek when I'm sitting on
my computer and I saw it move and I heard
my door creak, and I was like, that's weird.

Speaker 9 (44:49):
I'm just seeing that before.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
And then there was the seventh day right about it,
where I brought it.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
I took it out of my home.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
I brought it here and we had these guys, all
the whole team ask questions, and the first question wasn't
the first question we asked, but it was the first
question we got a response to. I was like, okay,
you claim to be a demon? Is that true? Green
light response? Yes, So I'm like, okay, obviously it's nothing
in my place that could have interviewed with these devices.

(45:19):
When we got the same answer confirming the same thing
that I asked my place and at a completely different place,
so I'm just like, all right.

Speaker 9 (45:27):
There's really no I can't argue with that.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
So and you know that kind of you know, I
had a whole day to think about it, and I
was just like, was it Do I really think it's
a demon?

Speaker 8 (45:38):
No?

Speaker 6 (45:39):
I think it's just something posing to be a demon.
Do you either scare me, get it rights out of me?
Or maybe it was just sick of talking to me.
So it was just like, yeah, I'm a demon. So,
you know, a lot of questions going through my head
ever since, you know, I've been trying to go through
and just kind of really formulate my actual opinion on it,
and I just think it probably was. I think even here,

(45:59):
I was just like, yeah, I think that demon claim
is nonsense, and the red light no, And I'm like, okay, yeah,
you're obviously disagreeing with me saying that you're still claiming
to be a demon. But it was the whole interaction.
I would say that was my favorite, my whole favorite.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
You know.

Speaker 5 (46:16):
There was a more recent interaction with something.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
I've been watching your videos actually on that on on Instagram.
I'm like, I need to ask questions about this. I
had a similar experience. I had a lady send me
these two dolls. She was from Iowa, I think, and
she sent them all the way up here, and as
she's like, I don't want these because people in the
past I've sent me like a hunted or weird things

(46:42):
to investigate it or just because like everything in this
cabinet is kind of that's what it is. Yeah, and
these two dolls, you know, it's it's funny. I couldn't
open them. It was in a a fed X box.
And then I just I'm I'll open them later. And
then I went on vacation for a week. I put
them underneath my computer desk, like like the box unopened.

(47:06):
And I got back from my vacation and the box
was in the mid center of my living room and
I'm like okay, and then and then I'm like I'm not.
I don't want to open these alone. And I actually
was at a psychic fair I think a week after that,
and one of my trusted friends who's a psychic, I'm like,

(47:29):
I need you to open this for me. I'll film
you because I love holding a camera, and and and
and they said that it was one of the dolls.
One of the dolls what was kind of not negative
but maybe a little cranky because of where it came from.
And I guess whoever had it before. The other doll

(47:50):
was placebo, like it was nothing. It was just creepy.
So I didn't I've had enough haunted things in my
house where I don't like that. I'm not a big
fan of having haunted things in my house anymore, just
from previous experiences. I kind of like a nice chi area.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
You gotta have your you're cool, down, your safe.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
So here we are somewhere that yeah, behind me for
our listeners. I have a whole cabinet full of nick
knacks and haunted these stuff. But what I did, and
this could be a cool experience experiment for you guys,
and it's it's I think the listeners would like to
hear this too. Is I took these dolls and I
contacted i think those five teams or independent investigators within

(48:36):
the Vancouver, BC area, and I'm like, hey, I'd like
to do this experiment of are these dolls haunted? And
and it's non partial because you're just handing the box
over to the teams that I've never really worked with
or talked to. They all agreed, and I gave them
a week to two weeks to investigate them every day

(48:56):
and document everything. And one of the creepiest things is,
I think three of the five teams they got EVPs
when they're doing EVP sessions like voice recordings, and it
was the same voice in every and different teams, different cities,
and I'm.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Like, oh, that must be the ghost have consistencies.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, And and it was kind of neat, And it
was kind of neat that every team hit the nail
on the head of which doll was haunted and which one.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
Yeah, I mean it just goes to show too, I
mean yeah, again the teams that you're working with as well,
and just being like, okay, yeah, all those three teams
got the same findings and the same findings as you at
least then boom yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Yeah, And like to this day. I do not have
those dolls there with another team. I don't want them
in my in my place.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Understandable. We got plenty of them.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Yeah, I'll send them down to you guys.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Can we have a half minutes to go before we
have to go to break at the top of the hour,
Ghost to the Great White North with Merle and our
special guests Matt, Eric and Austin from north By Northwest
Paranormal out of Washington State. Austin, if you were to
look back at everything you have investigated over the years,

(50:12):
is there a favorite haunting that you have? Let's let's
tell our people a good spooky story. We got four minutes.

Speaker 7 (50:19):
I figured this question was gonna come up in Matt
and Eric already know which one I'm gonna say. And
it's not necessarily what happened during the investigation. It's what
preceded or followed the investigation. So in Concrete, Washington, there
used to be They just tore it down recently because

(50:41):
they're gonna start mining.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
It's right by the is.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
It the Columbia River right or not? Columbia It's by
one of the rivers lake right now. I don't know why,
but it has a very toward history, a lot of
deaths there. It's an old, old concrete building that's been
since you know, the beginning of time, so a lot

(51:04):
of death when it was operational, and then it became
a favorite hangout because it's up in the mountains in
the middle of nowhere. Teens can go it's very pain
and hang out without the parents and rebel against the world.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
So you know, that's kind of what the area.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Was used for.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
It was just a good hangout.

Speaker 7 (51:19):
And so our first time there, it was beautiful during
the day, it's it's a complete flip. As soon as
it turns dark, it's the most beautiful scenery. We sat
up on top of one of the roofs and we
watched the sunset go down over the mountains with the river.
It was just beautiful. As soon as it started getting dark,
all you heard was voices, conversations, men, women, and you're like, dude,

(51:43):
somebody has to be here. So we got very very
good interactions all night EVPs with no electricity. You know,
obviously up in the mountain anywhere, we are again hearing voices, conversations.
I think I even saw shadow run by one of
the rooms. We were in it. Just it was a great,

(52:04):
great experience. So I think it was a time two
three o'clock.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
In the morning. We have a long drive back home.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
We start wrapping up and we have to walk about
a mile a mile and a half back to the
car in the middle of the woods.

Speaker 5 (52:17):
As we're coming back.

Speaker 7 (52:19):
There is a big, big crash right behind us, and
we all have, you know, our flashlights, you know, high
end flashlights, and we turn around and there's nothing there,
and it's nothing but open in some trees. But you know,
you could see those moving, and they're not the biggest
trees of something big that made that sound, you would
be able to see it pretty easy easily. So we're like,
all right, we're just we're exhausted, we had a very

(52:41):
interesting night, we're in an unknown place, we're ready to
go home. We're just we're all making stuff up in
our heads. At this point, as we start going, it
happens again and it sounds closer and it sounds louder louder,
So we kind of all take a look at each
other and go, maybe we should stop walking, and maybe
we just start running to the car. And then we

(53:02):
remembered that we weren't in the best vehicle, and then
we're like, it might not even start to get us
off this mountain. We might have to take the time
to try to jump it, and you know, who knows
what will happen. We'll end up on you know, sixty
minutes in a month. So as we're getting in the car,
we unlocked the car. Luckily it starts up. We don't
even pack our gear away, we just toss everything in

(53:24):
and as we're doing this, it's nothing.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
But crashes all around us, and we have no idea
what it is. We can't see it.

Speaker 7 (53:31):
We're just miles out yet, we're miles no cell service.
Nobody's gonna hear us if we wreck or scream. You know,
we got the river right there flowing like there's there's
no chance nobody's gonna find us if anything happens for
who knows how long. So we're coming down the mountain,
we start seeing lights. Yeah, so we're like, all right,
we can breathe a little easier. Already on edge, we're

(53:52):
all huffing and puff and sweating. We finally got off
the mountains. You know, we're using spot lights outside the
car to make sure nothing's running up. Mothman isn't coming
to take us out for a flight for the night
or something.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
And so as you come off the mountain, you have
to cross this bridge.

Speaker 7 (54:07):
It's like a dam, but it's only wide enough for
one car, so if you're already on it, somebody's at
the other end has to wait for you to get
off of it if they want to go the other direction.
So three o'clock in the morning, middle of nowhere, crossing
this dam, and a all black van, all blocked out,
no headlights appears behind us out of nowhere, and we're

(54:28):
just like, did we walk into a sci fi film?

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Like what is going on?

Speaker 7 (54:33):
What did we stumble across there that we weren't supposed
to be near? And like I said, there's only room
for one car, So as we're going across the bridge,
there's nowhere to turn around. And as soon as we
turned around again to look, as we got towards the
end of the other bridge and other end of the bridge,
the van disappeared just as it showed that thought.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
We're going to continue that story with Matt Eric Austin
from North by Northwest Paranormal is Here. Ghost to the
Great White North, continuous with hour two next, Stay tuned, everybody.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
H This is Faced Out Radio with Hopes Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
All right, we are clear. We got about just under
six minutes, guys, under six minutes. I'm gonna take a
quick break. Wayne saper Leg, how are you good to
see you? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (55:41):
Yeah, and we'll be back.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
We'll be back.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Pull that right off of doctor Phil.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Does that? We'll be right, giant pause?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Do you have that?

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Do you have that doll there right now?

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (56:04):
We have a bunch of dolls, and we actually have
acquired some more, which we'll you know, watch our stuff.
We'll be posting about soon enough as we get some
videos recorded with our new acquisitions.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Cool m.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
This is what's what's his name again? Alice? That's right,
Alice doesn't like me?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Awesome, can have the other one too.

Speaker 9 (56:28):
I don't know nothing.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Yeah, there's some bros and their dolls to.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
If we pit him, you know, g I Joe's giant
size of buk.

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Ie.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
That's creepy.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
That's that's what's the story on it.

Speaker 8 (56:50):
So these ones, all three of them, the other one
that's on here also, we're actually my sisters.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Okay, he got them.

Speaker 8 (56:58):
I can't believe I was just there about them too.
She got one of them from an auction site where
they claimed they were haunted, so when she she pulled
the trigger on it and decided to buy him, got
them shipped, and the other two I can't remember which
one exactly, but one of these but another one came
together as well in a separate purchase. And she didn't

(57:20):
really know the background too much of them, the person
here on them. Just a lot of activity was going
on with them when the first one arrived. She also
said she didn't have too much going on until all
three of them were kind of together. That's when she
started hearing footsteps of everything in the house, talking, a
lot of things moving around a couple of them. I
gave her some of our tools to kind of use

(57:42):
for their own investigation on them, and they were getting
readings off both of them, actually EMF spikes on them,
which is really weird because there was really nothing around them.
They just had them laid on the bed and yeah,
so it was pretty weird for them to kind of
get that activity from them, And I really didn't know
how a backstory on them too much.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
So we're currently trying to look.

Speaker 8 (58:06):
Into that now and see what we could find, maybe
the brand, what kind of dolls they are.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
They've definitely seen some stuff that clearly this one.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
If I had to point at which one that one
mm hm.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
But really.

Speaker 7 (58:25):
You're focused on this one. This one ends up. I've
seen enough scary movies.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
I know how it ends.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Yeah. I had a boudoir doll for a while, just
guys talking about the dolls they owned, and it was
one given to me that I was doing an experiment on.
Their family called it a spinster doll. Whoever owned it
had really bad luck, and and and things would happen

(58:59):
in the in the house, and and and me being
all like, yeah, right, I'll investigate it. Well I was.
I wasn't that arrogant about it, but like I'm like, yeah,
I'll investigate it. And I had that's bad luck happened man,
and and and the dolls no longer in my house.

(59:19):
And and it's with it's with the same people that
have the other two dolls, and and and and they're
oddly attached to the dolls. And that's one thing I
noticed when I had the two dolls going to the
different teams. They would make it sounds weird, but they
would make the dolls part of their family. They would
sit them in their living rooms like like literally or

(59:39):
in in their in their dining rooms, and they would
just kind of be sitting sitting there in general population,
so to speak. And and it's it's just interesting that
the power artifacts have. And that's one thing that like
I really I really really like to investigate, like or

(01:00:00):
back behind me, this is this one here. That one's
from eighteen eighty four. Oh, oh my goodness, I have two.
I have two really old ones and I have one
from nineteen twelve. But the one behind me is a fluke.
It was found in a little fleet on a flea market,
an antique shop in a smaller city outside of Vancouver.

(01:00:23):
And yeah, and it was I saw the boarder and
I'm like, take all of my money. I really don't care,
max my stuff up. But it was one hundred and
forty dollars Canadian so that's probably like two million US and.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
After taxes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Yeah, and then I messaged the Salem Witchboard Museum and
I got the got her to a praise and just
give me some history on the board. Like I took
a bunch of photos and she's like number one. How
that heck did that get to Canada on the West coast.
And two she was like, there's under like probably ten
of those in existence.

Speaker 9 (01:01:00):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
And it was an it's an actual original one that
was handmade. And there they're Handmaide in Baltimore, sold out.

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(01:02:53):
things paranormal and supernatural and tonight from North by Northwest
Paranormal out of Washington State. We have Eric, we have Matt,
and we have Austin hanging on out with us talking
some spooky stories. And I know you can't see this
on radio, but on our YouTube side you can see this.
One of the gentlemen has brought out a really creepy doll.

(01:03:18):
Tell us about this doll. So this is Alice.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
This is all is talking about my creepy experience. I
just can't can't separate out her whatever whatever demon and
to use with it the hairstyles. Really yeah, I strive
to have this hairstyle withday. It's you know, nice and
proper in the front and bullet in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
That's the way to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Yeah, all right, what did we leave off? That's that's
what I want to know. We got to get back
into it. This is cliff.

Speaker 7 (01:03:48):
Yeah, the bridge, black van all blocked out, came out
of nowhere, yep, one way bridge.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
So again, you can't turn around.

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
You couldn't even try to do an Austin Powers twelve
point turn if you really wanted to. But as before
we even got to the other side we turned around,
the van was gone. Just there's nowhere for it to
go besides off the side of the bridge into the river,
off the dam. That obviously didn't happen. So we're just,
you know, after everything, we haven't seen you know, whatever
was chasing us in the woods. And then with that,

(01:04:17):
you know, we're we're like, we stumbled across a UFO
landing a secret government black site. We did something we
shouldn't have, or we were somewhere where we probably we
got you know something, but you're so tired, you don't
almost know what's reality and what's not reality. And we
kind of came to the conclusion there for at least
a little bit, that we had a shared delusion that

(01:04:40):
we were just all so crazy that we saw the
exact same thing the exact same way, and I all
have the same exact thoughts, like, that's that's what we
kind of chalked it up to. So we stopped at
a local gas station because obviously, you know, get gas,
go home, get it, you know, something to drink, refresh,
sort out whatever. We just went through and that ended
up being the weirdest gas station stop. We saw a

(01:05:03):
domestic violent situation, somebody arguing with the cashier, and then
after like twelve more cars rolled up at three o'clock
in the morning. We're like, we're definitely in the wrong.
I don't know what's going on anymore. You know, is
this the Truman Show now where we're all everything is
staged thing? And so, you know, we finally get out

(01:05:23):
of concrete, we're on our way home and we run
into a random patch of construction. So we get stopped
on a two lane highway middle of nowhere. One flagger
just standing there, didn't even say anything to us. We
had the windows down. You know, it's hot at it
was semi warm out. We're all sweating from whatever that
last hour of we just experienced that we can't explain.

(01:05:46):
And it took like twenty five minutes. We guy finally
lets us go. There's no construction, nothing, just absolutely nothing.
No other cars, no construction, even equipment on the side
of the roads, just nothing. And we're like, what is
going on? I don't understand anymore. And then probably forty

(01:06:08):
five minutes after that, we're all chilling out, nerves are
starting to calm down, we're all kind of starting to
laugh about everything. And then our equipment starts going turning
on in the back by itself, and at this point
we're just like, we might as well just drive off
the road because there's there's no way we're gonna be
I've seen the movies.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
We don't make it home.

Speaker 12 (01:06:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:30):
It was the spirit Box, Yeah yeah, static that turned
on by itself and was flipping through radio.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
Channels all right.

Speaker 7 (01:06:40):
Yeah, And we scrambled to turn that off and we
double checked all, you know, all the other equipment, and
we do that pretty efficiently. Anyways, is double check our
equipment before we put it away, and so you know,
you can maybe say, yeah that it just hits right
in the bag or whatever is being held turned it on,
But it's pretty hard to turn on most of our equipment.
So yeah, you tie that in with everything where you're

(01:07:01):
being chased by something that you can't see, to a
van that appears and disappears out of nowhere, to whatever
happened at that gas station that we still don't fully comprehend,
and then sitting for construction that didn't exist, and then
our equipment turning on, plus everything we had going on
during that investigation. That's hands down the creepiest, the funnest,

(01:07:23):
the weirdest. And if these two weren't with me, there's
no way anybody will believe that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
I listen to myself say it, and I still don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Want to believe it, but it happened, and I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
Know would we do two years later? Two years later
we went back to the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Wet said you would never go back.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
Yeah, I even said I was never going to.

Speaker 9 (01:07:45):
Go back to that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Maybe I'm curious to know your thoughts on that. That's
that's that's what I'd like to know that's that's a
that's a pretty cool that's that's a wicked story.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Actually, yeah, who I'd like to know who is in
the vein, Dave David, I'd like to know who was
in the van first and foremost. Yes, you know, I mean,
it's weird because you hear all of these scenarios where
all of a sudden, a strange vehicle just happens to

(01:08:16):
pull up, and realistically, probably nine and a half times
out of ten, it's just somebody who shows up at
the right place at the wrong time, and it adds
to the creep factor of everything because it always seems
to be somebody who looks skittish in those vehicles, you
know what I'm saying. And I find that very very odd.

(01:08:37):
But you know, even at flight twenty one, when we
were there a year ago, Merle, we had somebody creep
up on us. You remember that when we were staying
the night out there that one night, and all of
a sudden, you guys had heard like a car door slam,
and then down the and then down the pathway, you

(01:08:59):
guys said you saw somebody, you know, looking like they
had a flashlight on them, and then they disappeared and
ran back kind of thing. So, I mean, you get
these creepy areas and you're already on alert because of
all the high strangeness that is going on. So I
I just find it, you know, it adds to the
creep factor of it all. And why does it have

(01:09:21):
to always be the sketchiest people you've ever seen? Who
are who were driving those vehicles? It's it's never you know,
you know, John and Jane coming back from a wedding
and taking a night drive on the scenic route. It's
never them, you know, Yeah, it's never them. It's always

(01:09:41):
somebody who you know, looks like they should be filming
in a horror movie. And I don't get that part.
I really.

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
We never even got close there. The van never got
close enough.

Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
Like I said, it was no cars should have been
out there even for us to find and where we
were going properly was a challenge, yeah, even.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
Like the banging in the woods, Like the roads were
all blocked off both ends for about a mile a
mile and a half, so you had to like exit
your vehicle and walk to wherever you're going. It was
probably like five miles out of town, maybe on a
dirt road and I remember specifically walking up there, there
were some kids spray painting in the area, and I
remember when we got out of our car, you could

(01:10:25):
hear them clear's day of talking. The place had like
a good echo to it. So we got out of
the car walking down the path, you could hear them
talking to something like, oh, there's obviously people there. So
taking like thinking back, you know, through the years we've
been up there, Like I take my experience with the
kids talking in Devil's Tower to us walking back and
hearing all these noises about not hearing anything, but just

(01:10:47):
those crashes in the woods, I'm just like, you know,
was it somebody playing a prank on us? They would
have had to been real, real quiet, you know, either
walking on the dirt path or walking in like that
that the woods that were just like littered in to breed.

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Yeah, but with that force, I mean yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Like a hill.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
It was like a drop off. There's really no way
to kind of hang out in there.

Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
So that really just like I signed up for. I
went there to hunt ghosts, not cryptids. Well, let me
let me get your thought on that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Do you guys? I think that there is a tie
in between cryptids, UFOs, and the paranormal. Have you ever
investigated the connection between the three or do you? Guys
Austin just stays straight with paranormal.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Uh No, we we love everything.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
I love aliens, UFOs and everything not of this world.
I really love like, uh getting into that, and I've
been slowly getting my children into that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
So I think we were open to everything.

Speaker 7 (01:11:56):
I mean, for me, I won't speak for everybody, but
I I don't think you could say maybe Bigfoot's real, right,
You could be a diehard and say Bigfoot absolutely real.
But aliens in the paranormal just can never be a thing.
So in that essence, I think if you believe in one,
you kind of have to say the possibility of the
others exist it maybe not even believe, but just the

(01:12:18):
possibility if one of those exists, the others have just
the same weight of the possibility to be real.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
And so in that essence I definitely tie all that in.

Speaker 7 (01:12:28):
You know, I've been telling these guys we need to
go for winter gets here. Let's go out to the peninsula,
Let's go, let's go squatch hunting. Let's take a weekend,
let's you know, debrief away from him. You know, even
if we don't record or something, it's a nice breakaway
from cameras technology investigating. But then you're also we're kind
of out in our element doing what we love.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
And who who doesn't like going yelling for sasquatches in
the woods.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
I mean that's just a great time, nice speaking Dave's jive.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
But you know what Marle Washington Merle for instance, struggles
with that he hasn't come to grips yet, that there
is like this invisible thread that ties it all together.
Because he loves his paranormal he loves his ghosts, he
loves everything to do with it. That's his passion. And
then you throw him in an area where all of

(01:13:17):
a sudden everything comes alive and he's kind of a
little bit you know, I don't want to say lost,
because he does know how to investigate that stuff. He's
incredibly professional, but you could tell that he's a little
bit out of the element, so to speak.

Speaker 7 (01:13:35):
Yeah, I mean that's where your best investigation comes from, though,
because you're not going in with an expectation of what
you might find already, you're going to win the expectation
that you know nothing and based off of that it
really comes down to your investigative skills of what you
already know or what you've learned. Is oh, that sound,
I've heard that before. That's not anything to be worried about,

(01:13:56):
but maybe comes in a different tone, and then you're like,
that's a little off.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
And that's where you know.

Speaker 7 (01:14:02):
I think my excitement for the paranormal or anything UFO Bigfoot,
it's the contribution to finding out what actually is the truth,
because we're all still pioneers at this. I mean, even
if it's been a couple hundred years that you know,
or in every society they have something of an afterlife
where paranormal stories that they tell the kids.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
It's we're always.

Speaker 7 (01:14:25):
Endeavoring to find the truth and until that happens, and
not even probably not our lifetime, we're all pioneers in this,
and we're all contributing to trying to find possibly the
connections between those.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
So I'm open to all. I just don't know if
they're all connected by thread. I think everything's out there,
like like Dave's right when when everything's happening, and once
I get a little I go into fact mode and
Dave and I will will butt heads a little bit
sometimes and that when I go into when I go
into proof right now mode, and and it's one thing

(01:15:00):
i've been I've been working on. I've been trying to
teach myself to just take in the fields and then
go for the But like with with paranormal, like when
we door go stuff facts like we were talking about,
you get the history and you get you get who's
who and the zoo, all the people that lived there
died there. And you can't do that with aliens because

(01:15:22):
they're up there they as far as you know, Yeah, exactly.
But and I'm totally open. Like I last not the
last time, but two times ago when I was out
in Spokane, some of my best friends have out there
and the Pair Northwest. They have a wicked podcast, but

(01:15:43):
they they took me out into the into the wilderness
and we did see five calling in aliens and again
I had the camera. I'm like, I'm just gonna film,
I'm just going to take it all in. But it
was really interesting to watch. And like when I told
Dave that I did this, He's like, I'm sorry what
and and and I'm like, yeah, man, the video's coming out.

(01:16:08):
But but like it was really interesting and some of
the things we heard or saw what was what was neat?
I couldn't explain some of it as I was. I was,
I was straight up just investigate, like non partial investigating.
And I still like even with Bigfoot, I've had some
pretty weird encounters with Dave and the bush and and

(01:16:32):
I think everything's out there. I just I need Jerry
still out of if they're all connected or related. But
they are there.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
No, that's fair, that's thrilled the investigations, absolutely right, Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Well, I think for you it's it's also going into
an unknown and for a lot of people. I mean,
like to me, ghost don't scare me anymore. But when
you when you hear things going on in the forest,
you know, and you have zero control because you're now

(01:17:11):
not the apex predator, Okay, you're not on top of
the food chain. That's where it gets exciting for me,
you know. I mean, and look, I can't outrun anything.
I'm way too obese for that. Again, you know, I mean,
the only way, honestly, the only way I'm getting away
is if I shoot Merle in the lake. Okay, that's it.

(01:17:33):
That's the only way I'm getting away.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Okay, and but.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
I do believe that there is a tie between it all.
We have a location up here that has absolutely everything
that you know. I try to go too week at
least once a week out in this area, and it's
crazy out there because you never know what to expect,
you know, And we've had everything from bigfoot encounters to

(01:17:59):
you FO encounters to you know, recording a child's voice
that when Tim accidentally bumped the camera, you hear the
child go uh oh and then turn kind of say
a snick or something to his friends and start laughing.

Speaker 12 (01:18:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
I mean, we've had it all up here. At what
point does your fear factor? Kicky and Eric I have
a heart.

Speaker 8 (01:18:28):
They can tell you I when something happens, when exciting happens,
if something that's actually kind of frightening, I have a
tendency to laugh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
Yeah, I'm making appropriate jokes.

Speaker 8 (01:18:45):
And that's where I have to be careful because we're
videotaping and it's either I'm laughing or I'm swearing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Like I have to be careful we're recording. I think
the last one we had was actually in uh Colfax.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
Yeah, in the hotel.

Speaker 8 (01:19:00):
In the hotel that we did the Downtown Hotel investigation,
and that one was the only one I think actually
freaked me out quite a bit where I actually wore
pretty loud on camera, and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yeah, that was something.

Speaker 8 (01:19:17):
So pretty much what was going on is we have
the doorway in one of the hallways right above one
of the stairwells. Everybody's on one side of the one
side of the building, and I'm kind of going into
the front of the building towards the street side and
just kind of checking things out. Matt was about to
join me there, but through the doorway, obviously the camera

(01:19:38):
and the light is it's casting a bit of a shadow.
But through that shadow, I saw probably someone around child
size peak right through that doorway, and I always saw
it was like a bright face, and that's what freaked
me out. And I had a shine a light around
a couple of times just to verify I actually saw

(01:20:00):
what I saw because it was just right in front
of my face, and yeah, trying to recreate that. Nothing happened.
It was just a solid doorway from the shadow. But
not when I I think I swore something really loud and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Out of pull. Matt, that's just happened.

Speaker 9 (01:20:19):
You never get scared, Yeah, Yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (01:20:22):
Never freak out really there in investigation, So it takes
me quite a bit. I think like that that was
one that really got me and I had to think
about it like I didn't get it on camera and
that it happened, and unfortunately I didn't get on camera either.
So that's why I still have one of those things
that I go back and forth and I really see
what I saw. Yeah, And so it takes me quite

(01:20:46):
a bit to get to get pretty chilled on something.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Do you ever find before we get to more stories
we got about three minutes ago, before we go to
the break, do you ever find that your best evidence
always happens when the camera isn't rolling.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
Every investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
It's give us an example of that guy.

Speaker 9 (01:21:09):
That Austin's whole story.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
Yeah, my whole story that I just shared.

Speaker 7 (01:21:15):
I think one of our strongest ones for it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
Was probably the Mirkwood.

Speaker 7 (01:21:23):
So Mirkwood is a gathering slash bar restlant public house
public house in Arlington, Washington. Like I was saying earlier,
it used to be an old church way back in
the day. It's gone through a couple of ships, burned down,
and it's kind of turned into what it is now
under the current ownership.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
The basement, you know, it's you know, the basement. All
that's original foundation.

Speaker 7 (01:21:44):
It's all the old church stonewall and all that with
minor details adjusted. So downstairs is a tattoo and that's
where we parlor studio. That's where we got our some
of our best evidence. But you know, late at night,
everybody's packing up where we've got you know, we're excited
because we got a lot of evidence.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
So we got stuff to review.

Speaker 7 (01:22:07):
And as soon as we turned off all the cameras,
we unplugged all our stationary cameras, everything just started happening
and we started here and knocking, running voices, just stuff
that we weren't getting during the investigation is all that
started happening.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:22:23):
We got our EVPs, of course, and our intelligent responses,
but like the really good stuff that because I was
still what our second third investigation something like that, we
were still new that. We're like, we literally just missed
our whole night's investigation. Happened within our last ten minutes
while we were packing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
That's when we learned to we can, no matter what,
always on camera.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
Somewhere somehow audio.

Speaker 9 (01:22:49):
Just something building camera.

Speaker 7 (01:22:51):
Yeah, before you even roll up, just who cares go
through the film? Add the extra twelve hours to review,
it's probably worth it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
And if not, well, at least you now you know
that it wasn't worth it.

Speaker 7 (01:23:06):
But it's better to say, you know what I tried,
then damn I could have got all that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Yeah, I find what I like to do now because
missing out on like a good piece of evidence is
usually as soon as I get to a location, I
like to like to just immediately turn an audio recorder
one because I think a lot of like the best
evidence I've ever obtained is his audio because because yeah,

(01:23:35):
like there's there was a time we were doing an
old paddlewheel boat up here and one of the ghost
stories was some people will see a full body apparition
of the original captain on the main floor and we
were getting we were setting up two of the curators

(01:23:56):
to interview them because they've had experiences there, and I
was rushing up because I you know, batteries and cameras
they don't like each other. I'd get some batteries and
I was going back up to where everyone was, and
I kid you not, I saw the captain walk out
of like his quarters look at me and then just

(01:24:18):
vanish and yeah, so no camera rolling, but batteries in
my hand right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
And on that note, gentleman, I'm gonna get you a
hold on. We're gonna go to break here at the
bottom of the hour. We have one half hour left
with Merle and the guys from North By Northwest Paranormal
on spaced out Radio. The second half of the show
is coming on up. Our main man Merle from the
Paranormal Road Trippers is here as he joins us each

(01:24:48):
and every month, and we are proud to have Eric,
Austin and Matt from North Northwest and we're gonna try
and squeeze in some audience questions too when we return
on space down Radio. The second half of the show
is coming up next. You're listening to space down Radio

(01:25:19):
with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
All Right, I gotta say Dave, I gotta say it
because I know we're on the YouTube thing now. Joe Monk.
These photos are back because of you. Every month you're like,
where are the photos? Where's that creepy lady? There she is,
She says HI to you. She'll see you in your dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
So here's a weird one. That we missed on camera.
A couple of weeks ago, about the week before Merle
was up here. We were my buddy Tim and I.
We were out at at our Flight twenty one crash
site and we have a lot of bigfoot activity up there,
and and so we're sitting there, we're preparing for to

(01:26:20):
put a trail camera up, and we just got back
into our base camp after being in the forest and
literally like we're in the middle of nowhere, okay, And
we hit these two spots in the forest where literally
it was like there was little to no oxygen in

(01:26:41):
those spots. It was creepy. So we go back and
we're like, you know what, we need to sit down,
we need to relax. We're talking about putting up a
trail cam. Cameras off and probably I'm gonna say thirty
five forty yards if that into the trees. We hear

(01:27:03):
something big moving in and then it goes silent, and
be damned if this thing doesn't start ripping ass in
the forest, and it's like this, I gotta wet my
lips here, hold on, it's like this, of course, And

(01:27:25):
this went on for about fifteen seconds, okay, And I'm
looking at Tim and I said, are you kidding me?
Bigfoot's farting at us right now? Right. And we go
back a week later, actually it was two weeks before
Merle came. We go back a week later, and we

(01:27:49):
actually find the place with the droppingsol. And what's weird
about it. What's weird about it is whatever pooped there
parked its butt in the right into the trees. Like

(01:28:11):
an animal doesn't do that. Yeah, an animal will just
drop a deuce wherever it feels like dropping a deuce.
But this one was actually parked in the trees. Like
there was a section of many trees, like the tallest
tree was maybe eight feet high. There was a couple

(01:28:32):
two three footers there, okay, and they were all kind
of congregated in this very small area. And this is
where these weird droppings were. I mean, if you took
let's say, like we have wild horses in our area, okay,
it would be like if you took wild or any

(01:28:52):
horse droppings, okay, and then miniaturized them, yeah, to the
size of say, large human feces. That's it was weird, man, Yeah,
it was weird. And of course we missed it.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
And I mean we've gotten a lot of toots on camera,
but it's usually always explained.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Yeah at our location with Tim that guy rips ass
any chance right quickly? Here Adam for Christ, Welcome to
so our chat. Emperor Penguin, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Merle likes it up there though, because you get a
little bit of everything.

Speaker 13 (01:29:39):
Paramo Smargas board yet it all hmmm, I can't ask
him for more than that then yeah, it's uh.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
It's a creepy place, very costrophobic, very costrophobic. We got
about thirty five seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Guys, looks like we have lots of audience questions day.

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We have quite a few. Yeah, beautiful, quite a few.
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our main man, Merle, because I believe in Merle Hendry.
There we go. Hanging on out with us is the
guys from North by Northwest Paranormal. We have Austin, we
have Matt, we have Eric. Thank you gentlemen for joining us.
And you know we're gonna get to some audience questions here,
and first off I want to ask ask you guys,

(01:32:00):
this is from Derek. He's asking, did anything ever happen
when you guys opened up the dibut box. Before you
answer that, please explain to our audience what the dibuc
box is.

Speaker 6 (01:32:13):
Hmm, Well, this is Matt's faith. I did a deep
dive on a dibut box, all right. Basically, what man,
It's long story, i'ma have to shorten it up. Basically,
the original dibbut box was a thing. It was a
huge thing in the mainstream for a long time. The

(01:32:33):
original owner of the box, who made the whole stories,
came out just recently into the dibut box was his
own creation.

Speaker 9 (01:32:40):
He made the whole.

Speaker 6 (01:32:40):
Thing up, which, in my opinion means that any other
dibut box, anything that claims you a div box, anybody
that's selling a dibbit box is probably gonna be big, right.

Speaker 9 (01:32:52):
But of course we're investigators.

Speaker 6 (01:32:54):
We're gonna investigate ourselves, right, So we end up buying
for debut boxes eBay. Because that's where the story happened,
is that the one of the owners bought the dibbut
box from eBay after the original owner and started having
all these crazy things happened to him.

Speaker 9 (01:33:10):
His life changed for the worst.

Speaker 6 (01:33:11):
Blah blah blah blah blah, so we wanted to emulate that,
so we ended up buying. We bought various different amount
of dibbut boxes. We bought from a seller that was
selling a whole lot of dib boxes. We bought from
a seller that was selling nothing but just one dibbit
box and opened them. And all these diput boxes had
backstories to them, so we read all the backstories.

Speaker 9 (01:33:33):
We we didn't really.

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
Spend too much time with them, but as soon as
we got them, we opened them. And three dip boxes
from the one seller all had the same stuff in them,
two tror cards and a wrist accessory, and.

Speaker 9 (01:33:46):
The third fourth dirt.

Speaker 7 (01:33:49):
And dirt Entarot cards were from the same deck. Yeah,
it wasn't even effort.

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
And the fourth dipic box had a lock of hair
wrapped in a cloth and a dried rosebud that was
nailed into the top of the top of the lid,
which is more traditional, yeah, which emulates.

Speaker 9 (01:34:08):
The original DiPT box.

Speaker 6 (01:34:10):
And the way that we really confirmed that the hair
is real not is We just took a lighter to
the hair, and obviously real hair with a lighter smells bad.
And lingers for a long time, whereas this smell was
very like synthetic smelling, so we chalked out fake hair.
Rosebud was real, but you might just get a rosebud
throwing the box have a dry but that is the

(01:34:30):
same That was the same context of the original lid
box that we kind of chocked up as the mah,
so that was.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
Our So what's the dippit box?

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
You never answered?

Speaker 6 (01:34:40):
Oh, it's a box a sealed and wax that contains
a Jewish like a kind of like a malicious Jewish
spirit called the dipic.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
Mm hm, nothing creepy about that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
Yes, that long way.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Great question though, uh I, let's get to one more here.
Let's go to in the studio here. We have a
place at Buffalo, the Asylum off of Elmwood. They give
tours around Halloween time and people seeing things or around
Halloween time pardon me and people seen things. Have you
ever been to Buffalo for that? It seems fun.

Speaker 5 (01:35:19):
One day close, But.

Speaker 7 (01:35:25):
I would love to go to the East Coast and
have jab out a lot of those locations. I like history,
so just on the architectures and the historical importance of
most locations that you already have me. You're throw in
a ghost and you know I'll hop into free Candy Vans.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
The asylum Incus Colfax. I've done that one a few times,
and that's a great just back from.

Speaker 6 (01:35:51):
There, June actually just finishing our video of our second investigation.

Speaker 7 (01:35:58):
They have a couple more building now that you get heard. Yeah,
that's fun. That's pretty, very good, very good evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
That's a twenty twenty sixth plan to go back.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
Yeah, definitely let us know because.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
All right, next question, this one comes from Fuzzy. Has
anyone ever heard of electrical paranormal activity in a residence
or building?

Speaker 7 (01:36:26):
I guess it depends on are we talking like transformers,
where the toaster's doing stuff on its own, or is
it like you know, switches, power outages. I think when
it comes to electricity, that becomes a very complicated thing
to prove, because it could be a single wire two
blocks down, you know, for all we know, but like

(01:36:50):
maybe like EMF pulses or something like that, or clusters.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
I don't know if I've personally even run into that.

Speaker 6 (01:36:57):
I mean, the closest thing I could say we can
really confirm is something like that would be interfere with
our stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:37:03):
Is our camera.

Speaker 6 (01:37:05):
Audios in our cameras cutting out during a lot of
these investigations where there's like high activity, like you might
starts spiking all of a sudden the camera the audio
and that camera starts cutting out, or like the image
starts getting kind of fuzzy or something.

Speaker 9 (01:37:17):
I think that's like the only kind of thing you can.

Speaker 6 (01:37:19):
Confirm that would be electrical interference when it comes to
our equipment on investigations.

Speaker 8 (01:37:25):
Yeah, yeah, kind of agree with Often that's pretty complicated
the figure out because.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
It could be any.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Yeah, Well, when I gets houses or wherever, buildings or whatever,
especially if they're old, I'll take a K two or
or a mail meter and I'll kind of do a
sweep of the house and yeah or whatever or the
building and be mindful of where all the wiring is,
and I'll keep I keep gear, all the gear, all

(01:37:55):
the especially audio, because audio gets that hiss when you're
close to electronics, of yeah, and I kind of steer
clear of all of that to try it. Or some
places are open just to shutting everything off just the
breaker and then you have like a naked building of.

Speaker 7 (01:38:10):
Power them like there especially concentration of ms, which tends
to be basements or addicts where a lot of the
wiring normally were usually is. It's probably where you get
a lot of the most reports of I'm being watched,
my hairs on my neck every time I go to
do the laundry stand up and are one of our

(01:38:32):
most recent ones at temperate habits where they were reporting stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
In the basement.

Speaker 7 (01:38:37):
I was like, ah, I know what that's I looked
at the wires, I know exactly what's going and then
as soon as you get into it, we take the
EMF down there and nothing just flatlined, and I was like,
all right, I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:38:51):
And that just proves you know, it doesn't matter how much.

Speaker 7 (01:38:54):
You've experienced or know what you you don't know until
you know, because I mean, they had their wires wrapped
in metal tubing.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
Everything was nice, nothing was leaking, there was no spikes.
I just went in. I was like, man, I'm an idiot.
I for sure knew it was going on.

Speaker 7 (01:39:09):
I was just gonna be like, hold it up, Yeah,
that's spiking pretty well, this is probably what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
And then yeah, never mind, So.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
All right, let's get to one more question here, and
this one comes from Jaketta. Have you ever gone into
an antique store and looked for haunted objects.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
Every time weekend?

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
That's my favorite hobby.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:39:30):
You think it's just for old people to go antiquing,
I tell you what it's. You know, thirty year olds
with some money and a knack for finding something as
creepy as you can with the story. And we're there
right absolutely, we go in looking for anything, and we
always reach out to anybody that like, oh we have
a haunted this. We're like, we'll take it off your hands,
send it to us, whatever you need. O're here, Like

(01:39:53):
I was saying earlier, we just acquired some more haunted items.
One of them is actually an American flag, a folded American flag,
so it should be interesting videos hopefully.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Come yeah for for our YouTube audience. Everything behind me,
a lot of behind me is antique stuff from antique stores.
And I thought I was thorough going through antique stores,
but but my girlfriend was like, how did you miss this?
And I'm like and I'm like, there, damn, I need

(01:40:22):
to slow down so much.

Speaker 5 (01:40:25):
To see so much so much.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
Haunted objects are cool, Like I said earlier, I've kind
of shied away from those little bit too, just from experiences.
But I kind of sniffed them out too, obviously when
you're in antique stores, because I can't say no to them.
I keep them for a while, but then i'll trade
or sell.

Speaker 7 (01:40:45):
Yeah, if we could warehouse full, I think we'd be
just fine with that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
Yeah, I need to go calm down. I'm going to
the hant room.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
My current kick is collecting the Victorian post mortem photography.
I got a handful of those of my cabinet that
are are pretty neat and they're just funky energy on
those two because what you're capturing, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:12):
Yeah, energy, it's forms of energy. Anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Yeah, very interesting. Have you either or any of you guys,
ever been followed home by a spirit?

Speaker 8 (01:41:22):
Rachel was here, Rachel, Rachel's here, she'd say, yes, Yeah,
I've only had a couple of When Austin's talking about
concrete for both investigations that we did. In the first
one that we did and the one when we came
back for a couple of days afterwards, we would have
the equipment in my house kind of going on and

(01:41:44):
off by themselves. I'd have been a two story apartment
and when I'm here by myself. This last couple of
days after the investigation, I was hearing someone walking around
the upstairs and it was like right above or my
room was I don't know if that was something following
me or coincidence, kind of try to say it was

(01:42:04):
a house settling too, but it was just the timing
of that and then it for it not happening again afterwards.
And then also with the van, I think my sister
said that van that we took that day was I
had parked the air house afterwards, and she said something
for going on that too.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
We might have had a haunted bin for a little.

Speaker 5 (01:42:25):
Definitely something.

Speaker 9 (01:42:28):
They always try to play board rules. Always say goodbye.

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
When you yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:42:32):
Yeah, We've learned to definitely say goodbye, make sure contact
is very clear, ending, don't this is where it ends.
This is and then it goes obviously into more protections
like you know, pitting some stones if you're into that
kind of round, different candles or you know, whatever stage whatever.
Maybe that at the end of the day, it's whatever

(01:42:52):
makes you feel comfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:42:54):
My biggest thing is I just both spiritually mentally physically.
I make sure I break that car technum very very
clear about the intention of nothing beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Safety is always a concern no matter what you guys do.
How do you keep yourself safe after an investigation or
even preparing for an area? I mean, because let's face it,
there's not a lot of danger when you go into
someone's house unless you get an attachment. But if you're
going into say an older asylum or somebody's property that
they want investigated, and you're going into say a dilapidated

(01:43:32):
barn or something along those lines, how do you guys
prepare for your own safety.

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
I always make sure I'm up to date on my
tennis shot to start. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 8 (01:43:44):
Life advice I learned over the years.

Speaker 7 (01:43:46):
Yeah, we always try to get somewhere during the day
and do a day walkthrough. Yes, that would be our
initial first time seeing everything. We start, you know, videotaping, recording,
making sure we're making mental notes, like concrete at the
facility there, there is giant, giant holes in the ground

(01:44:08):
and if you fall, it's just rebar and concrete, Like
you are not surviving that, and that's where a lot
of does happen. And so seeing that during the day,
you kind of get that mental picture of I. You know,
you know where the dangers are or the potential dangers are,
you know where to walk watch through. And then beyond that,
it's getting in there and just taking your time.

Speaker 5 (01:44:26):
It's watching for everything.

Speaker 7 (01:44:27):
If that board looks like it might not be steady,
it usually isn't, and it's kind of bows into don't
take unnecessary risk while you're there. It is, you know,
the biggest one. We've all got families to go home to.
You know that I want to see. I don't need
to go trying to jump cliff to cliff just to
maybe see something over there. Right, So it just comes

(01:44:49):
down to situational awareness. When it comes to like spiritual stuff,
we do like to do a lot of sage saging,
and we do a lot of cleansing.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
Like prayers and whatnots. Yeah, at least that's what I do.

Speaker 9 (01:45:04):
As soon as I got rid of Alice.

Speaker 6 (01:45:06):
The first thing I do is take a good thirty
minutes of stage and nose and apartment.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
Make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Yeah, Well, I mean that's kind of the big one.
I mean safety first. You always got to make sure
you're going home right afterwards, unless you go to the
bar or something like that, because that's kind of after.
But for you guys, as you go on, there are
always locations that stick out to you. There are always,

(01:45:37):
you know, a certain hang ups. Have you, guys ever
gone to a perceived haunted location and got absolutely struck out.

Speaker 5 (01:45:47):
We've had one.

Speaker 7 (01:45:50):
Where the lady's body was found in the back of
the truck in the.

Speaker 6 (01:45:54):
Parking Oh yeah, that was like a person like a
kind of like a personal story.

Speaker 9 (01:46:00):
Yeah, that one was pretty.

Speaker 7 (01:46:03):
A lot were reported. It was under renovations. We can't
name it. They didn't want to be named for the business,
but it's a it's a very frequently used building.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
But years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:46:18):
There is a deceased body found in the back of
a dump vehicle or a trailer or something that was
dumped on their parking lot, and so people think that
they hear or see the woman that was found. So
we went there with pretty high hopes, saying, yeah, this
is gonna be good, and it was just, I think
hours after hours of we weren't getting anything. No spirit box,

(01:46:40):
no EMFs, no cameras moving, not even dust going across cameras.
It was, of course, for how big the area was,
there was just zilch and not saying that maybe there
is nothing there, but when you at least based off
the stories to what we got there was such a
opposite ends of the spectrum that it may be another investigation.

(01:47:02):
But then it kind of boils down to would it
be worth it in the end to try to go back, And.

Speaker 8 (01:47:06):
Then again on the other ones, Yeah, we're only there
for one night. Yeah we helped this eventually, you know,
the pieces like that, maybe we do multiple nights. They
kind of kind of see what we could get and
everything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
If wild, I.

Speaker 5 (01:47:18):
Think the ones that you get zilch sewan know humble
you a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:47:21):
At least what I've I've come to learn because based
off our first investigation and as we're going, we've been
pretty lucky. I feel like on potential evidence or you know,
evidence that we really strongly support our positions, and you
get you kind of ride that high in essence where
you you're like, it doesn't matter what kind of night
we're having, we're probably going to get something. And so

(01:47:43):
when you get you know, sit there for a whole
night investigating and then hours and hours upon evidence review
every you know, rewind play, rewind play and then you
get nothing and you're like, twenty hours we just sat there.

Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
For was fun. And so it humbles you to say, listen,
you've been lucky.

Speaker 7 (01:48:01):
Everything you get counted because that could be your last
that you'll ever get.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
Do you know? You know where I struck out. I'm
owing to it and I'm still a little upset about
it because I got I want to go back Mackie Mansion,
Virginia City. Mm hmm, you struck out quite so. Two
years in a row, me and it, Me and my
buddy rented it to ourself, just the two of us,

(01:48:29):
him and I for like, hey, it goes four hours
each time, and I brought I brought all my all
the toys, like on the airplane down to there, and
well this path I still got to go through that
some of the rest of my footage for MACKI for
this past year. But no, I'd say I lost both rounds.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:48:47):
That's just they're saving some good on your third third visit.
They just want to walkout.

Speaker 4 (01:48:53):
Club was popping, But like Mackie Mansion, Yeah, it's it's
really cool to go in, like it's creepy. But a
lot of them YouTube videos are the ghosty shows. They've
really hyped that place. It's cool field. There's something there,
but I guess I'm not cool enough or they don't like.
I don't know, but yeah, that's fun.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
We got five minutes to go tonight before we finish
up hour two. Here, we got Merle here from the
Paranormal Road Trippers and go to the Great White North
along with the north By Northwest team of Matt, Eric
and Austin. Gentlemen, when you go into the field, have
you either any of you ever been attacked while ghosting?

Speaker 5 (01:49:37):
If so, tell us a story. I don't know about attacked.

Speaker 7 (01:49:43):
I'm very sensitive to spirits beings, and I think I
was at Mirkwood was my first actual physical encounter. So
a lot of the reports were in the downstairs basement bathroom,
the men's room, right specifically the men's room. When men
were going to the bathroom at the urinals, they would
feel somebody like pushing on them or touching them or

(01:50:05):
some kind of or slapping their butts. It was something
really weird, and so I was like, I'll go in there,
and almost immediately my camera started, the audio started getting
interfered with, and then I felt pressure on my shoulders
and it was physically pushing me down to where it
was getting hard to stand, and I even mentioned that

(01:50:25):
to Madden Area. I was like, I gotta get out
of here. I can't stand, like it's hard to breathe.
And as soon as I walked out, cameras stopped being
interfered with, and then all that pressure was just immediately
gone off.

Speaker 6 (01:50:36):
Yeah, and it's like one of those scenes where it's like,
this is our second investigation and I'm still like on
the skeptic side of it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:50:42):
So when I heard that from aust and I was like, really, great, are.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
You really this guy? This guy?

Speaker 5 (01:50:48):
And then I was just like, you know, the back
of my head.

Speaker 6 (01:50:50):
And then all of a sudden, I started getting footage
and then the camera he's holding, audium video starts going out,
and as soon as he leaves, audium video starts going
and I'm just like in my head, I'm like, okay,
maybe I can start.

Speaker 8 (01:51:06):
So yeah, it was like right when you cross that
doorway out of there threshold, Yeah, camera's back working, audio
is working again.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:51:15):
I think that's the only I always offer, please come
touch me, push me something, but yeah, and I know
that's probably not the smartest thing.

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
Good right at least that's.

Speaker 6 (01:51:26):
Yeah right, but yeah, like the scratches or pushes like
physical touch.

Speaker 8 (01:51:30):
On Yeah, I don't think it must have. It's just
me tripping over myself.

Speaker 6 (01:51:34):
Yeah, I mean I felt like it uh for for
for Borton for Warden.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
Oh I felt like my backpack was slapped.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, like someone pulled on it.

Speaker 6 (01:51:44):
Yeah. I felt like someone just like little slap my backpack.
But then I'm like, because I re read footage, I'm like, oh,
was it like my backpackstrap that may have like swung
and hit it. But then even footage like, no, my
backpack straps are all they were like dangling a little bit,
but not enough to like do like a slap backpack.

Speaker 4 (01:51:59):
Was that the cats quarters in uh in Fort Warden, it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:03):
Was like the like the tower the watch tower on top. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:52:08):
I've heard stories there.

Speaker 6 (01:52:09):
When we were there asking questions with the people who
are working there, they definitely say, like the Captains Quarters
is like the place you got to go to.

Speaker 4 (01:52:16):
So we rented it for two nights and and yeah,
we when we were setting up our gears, sounded like
somebody rushed into the kitchen and the military boots, like
it was really heavy boots.

Speaker 9 (01:52:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
And and you rummaging through our plastic bags because you
got to bring your own food there because the kitchen right,
and we're like it was that rat, but but there
are none. It's a beautiful bed and breakfast. Yeah yeah,
And and and me and to the investigators, we rushed
into the kitchen because we're like, oh, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
We just locked the doors.

Speaker 4 (01:52:53):
Yeah, but it's Port Townsend, it's peaceful, and and and
there was nobody there. And then when we were in
the kitchen, we heard we heard loud, heavy footsteps going
down the hallway because it's it's old wooden floors to
where the junior officers would sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
Mm.

Speaker 7 (01:53:12):
So yeah, I think we heard a bunch of footsteps
and it did sound like military boots or something heavy.
And I threw out the whole like yeah, and that
echoes in there, so you could you could really tell
like close far away.

Speaker 6 (01:53:27):
I remember, like you can hear like above yeah, like
we're step We went like on the outside the first floor,
and we just heard like something right above us, like
kind of further back into that place.

Speaker 9 (01:53:35):
If you talk, you can hear from all the way across.

Speaker 6 (01:53:37):
The fort so those those footsteps definitely echoed.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
Gentlemen, it is hard to believe, but it is almost
time to start to wrap this up tonight. And you
know what I gotta say, Matt, Eric and Austin, you
guys are amazing and keep up your fantastic work and
your exploration of the paranormal. Where can people find your
YouTube channel and your social media.

Speaker 6 (01:54:02):
North By Northwest Paranormal on YouTube, Instagram at north By
Northwest Paranormal, TikTok, nx MP official. Yes, everything else will
take it. Uh Yeah, So Instagram is very usually post
most of our main up to date stuff, and then
YouTube already post off our obvious here a long, longer

(01:54:24):
length videos.

Speaker 9 (01:54:24):
So those are the two places.

Speaker 8 (01:54:26):
Yeah, already going to website n x NP's official dot org.

Speaker 7 (01:54:30):
And then we have our podcast on every major uh
podcast platform. I believe we'll be getting you get that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
Love it, love it merle, Thank you very much as well.
From the Paranormal road Trippers. Coming up next, we got
Josh Rutledge The UFO Report kicks off our number three.
You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott. Gentlemen,

(01:55:11):
thank you very much. An absolute pleasure getting to know
you guys tonight. Thank you. Yeah, this is great.

Speaker 5 (01:55:19):
Yeah, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
Merle Hendry. I believe in you. All right, guys, you
take care, have a good night. Okay, all right, good guys,
good guys. All right. I'm just gonna take a quick break.
We'll be back with Josh right after this.

Speaker 12 (01:56:01):
SA all right, I am back.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
Let's bring Josh in and say hello. Are you happy
to be here?

Speaker 14 (02:00:20):
I am ecstatic, ecstatic to be here. Nice, glad to
have you man, Dave, are you back from outer space?

Speaker 4 (02:00:31):
I am.

Speaker 1 (02:00:33):
A quick road trip. I was gone for twenty and back.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
Just walk down with that sad look upon your face.

Speaker 9 (02:00:41):
Mm hmm yep.

Speaker 1 (02:00:45):
We got just under a minute here. Okay, no, swamp dweller,
We're going straight to you, all right. Yeah, getting back
in the swing of things. My kid had his first
night of hockey tonight, so I got back to the
studio literally with like twenty five minutes to go before showtime,
so I didn't have time to record swampy.

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
Is he a wing?

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
Yeah, he's a winger. He was a little rusty today.
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Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
Where's the kabloo there.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
Was supposed to be in third shuttering cubloot. You have
made me very angry, very angry. Indeed, Well, normally we

(02:03:09):
would have Tim James in as our UFO reporter, but
Josh Rutledge is filling in tonight and we're proud to
announce that Josh will be joining spaced Out Radio as
our UFO reporter, going on straight from here. And so
we're gonna have to create a new intro for you
because that one was made for Tim.

Speaker 13 (02:03:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
Now, just got to let everybody know if you didn't
read my Facebook post earlier today, and Josh, I want
to say thank you for taking up the position. I mean,
it's really really cool of you to jump on in.
You know, when we were back at our Vegas party
and you were there with the Beard of Knowledge Shane
Hurd hanging on out. I mean you said, hey, man,

(02:03:52):
if there's anything that I could ever do to join
Spaced Out Radio, I'd love to do it. So we're
glad to have you as part of the tea moving
forward here. I mean, I I got the you know,
he reached out out of the blue with the call.
I really appreciate it, and I'm happy to be part
of the team, part of the community, and looking forward

(02:04:15):
to see, you know, what else we can do. So
for people wondering what happened with Tim James, a number
of years ago, Tim had a few concussions. And you know,
when you play combat sports, and he took a lot
of martial arts, and then you know, in our in
our younger years, you know, every now and again, you

(02:04:36):
get into a few fisticuffs when you go out at night,
and you know, things happen, and he had a couple
of really doozy, big doozy concussions. Well, you know, moving forward,
as we get older, those concussions can come back to
haunt you a little bit. And so Tim has been
struggling with sleeping and with his his head. His brain

(02:05:01):
to be absolutely blunt, and so he has visited a doctor.
He's okay. I'm going to tell everybody he is okay.
But one of the things his doctor told him was
that he has to cut back on his nighttime activity
because one of the ways that you heal your brain

(02:05:21):
in these situations is sleep. So he has to average
now a minimum of eight hours sleep a night. So
we got the news earlier today and Tim said, look, Dave,
I still want to be a part of Spaced Out Radio.
I still want to do the Friday night show before

(02:05:43):
our radio show. If you go on our YouTube channel,
we have a show called Element one point fifteen with
Lee Strauss and Tim. Tim is going to be still
a part of that. He's going to be working behind
the scenes. And if you've been watching our YouTube channel
for my journey into Secrets of the Forest, Tim will
continue with that as well. But unfortunately for staying up

(02:06:05):
late and doing the UFO Report, unfortunately he just cannot
do that anymore going forward, at least for the near future,
maybe longer. So Tim said, look, man, if we can
get literally he said, if we can get Josh Rutledge
to do the UFO report, he goes, that is going

(02:06:26):
to be kick ass. And so that's when I said, okay,
I'll call Josh. So this afternoon I hooked up with
Josh and I said, hey, man, I have some need
to talk to you about something. I think it'll be
good news for you and Josh, I don't even think
I finished the sentence, and you're like, I'm in. I'm in.
Thank you for that.

Speaker 14 (02:06:47):
Yeah, man, I really appreciate the ass coming at you
and him. You know, the confidence you have in me
as a researcher, as an investigator, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:57):
So thanks again.

Speaker 1 (02:06:59):
Well, let's get right to it, because I know you've
been thrown into the rush here trying to find a
bunch of stories here, and this past week has been very,
very tumultuous in the United States considering what happened, you know,
politically and everything. I don't want to get into the
entire Charlie Kirk situation because no matter what side of

(02:07:20):
the ledger you sit down on, it's a sad story. Nonetheless,
that has really rocked a lot of people. But the
question that I do have where it does tie to
UFOs is prior to this happening, there is a little
bit of momentum coming out of the UFO hearings, and

(02:07:41):
then all of a sudden, josh, everything seemed to go
quiet with this actually happening with Charlie Kirk, and everybody
is talking about it and everything. When we have one
of these major situations, it gets pushed, you know, the
news like UFOs especially gets pushed to the back burner.

(02:08:03):
So I'm just curious for you, how are you listening
in on what's going on in the UFO world knowing
that everybody who is at that hearing is really focused
on the political side of what's happened right now currently,
because that is really taking precedence.

Speaker 3 (02:08:21):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I use the kind.

Speaker 14 (02:08:24):
Of the back end tools like everybody else, Reddit, UFO, Twitter,
things like that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:29):
People are still posting things.

Speaker 14 (02:08:31):
In fact, there was another Jellyfish uap posting on Reddit
earlier today coming out of IRAQ.

Speaker 3 (02:08:40):
So I watched the video. I was a little skeptical
at first.

Speaker 14 (02:08:45):
I downloaded the video, ran it through AI, asked it
to analyze it for CGI, and it says it seems
to be natural flow and does not appear to be
CGI in anyway. So there's still stuff that's happening. Let's say, like, uh,
you know, back alley communications if you will, like write

(02:09:06):
it in UFO Twitter in places. But yeah, I mean
the the mainstream media, and I would say, like, like
you said, most of the representatives that we're at the
hearing are probably focused on, you know, the Charlie Kirk
situation and then the aftermath of it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Do you think then that we can regain that momentum
from the latest hearings or is the focus already lost
on that.

Speaker 14 (02:09:35):
I think it can be reignited, but it's gonna take
I think some sort of like kind of big I
don't know, bombshell or you know, one one of the
one of the speak one of the the testimonials that

(02:09:55):
was given. You know, one of the speakers is going
to have to go on a your news network, you know,
like Fox News or CNN and talk about the topic again.
I think in order for it to kind of reignite
that momentum.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
See, I see the current situation media wise going on
for at least another month. They are going to I
would agree, they are going to take this to the
nth degree. You know, there's an old radio saying and
an old journalism saying. You know, and I mean this
with no disrespect, but if it bleeds, it leads, and

(02:10:31):
they are going to try and get this. They know
that this story on both sides of the Ledger. And
once again, we're not political. I don't care what side
of the Ledger you're on, Okay, but the one thing
about journalism and news shows is if they know what's
bringing in ratings, they are going to run with it
until they get every last drop of sweat out of it,

(02:10:53):
you know, And that's exactly what's going to happen. And
I I really, you know, feel bad for somebody like
Dylan Borland, who was one of the eyewitnesses at the
UFO hearings where he literally lost his job. Like I
cannot get this gentleman out of my mind, you know,

(02:11:14):
I want to talk to him, and I want to
just say, man, like, like what are you going to do?
How do you live? I mean, this is a guy
who gave his entire life to the United States Air
Force and government entities after his Air Force career in
you know, everything from video analysis to intel security, everything

(02:11:38):
in between. And when he had his UFO sighting on
base at a US Air Force base, which was a
black triangle about one hundred feet away from him, you know,
he did what he was supposed to do, Josh. He
reported it to arrow his people around that he worked
with basically stated that he was not supposed he would.

(02:12:01):
They wouldn't do that if they were him, right, And
yet he felt the need to talk about this to
follow the protocol that was set up with ARROW the
all domain what is it Anomaly Research Organization Okay, and
doctor Sean Kirkpatrick was the head of that department at

(02:12:23):
that time. Kirkpatrick came out and said, oh, I know
nothing about Dylan Borland. I don't know anything about his story.
And yet Borland has the receipts showing that he actually
did put the report in and shortly after that report
went in boom. He was pretty much said, your services
are no longer required by the way what you did.
We're taking your pension, We're taking everything that you worked

(02:12:46):
hard for. I mean, this is a guy who literally
literally lost his entire life that he has dedicated his
best year, working years of his life for nothing.

Speaker 14 (02:12:59):
Yeah, I mean it's going to take I think, you know,
kind of like what happened with what is the guy
who experienced the craft at Rendallsham? I can't remember his
last I always getting confused. Is it is it Peniston?

Speaker 3 (02:13:15):
Is that who it is? Yep?

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
You know.

Speaker 14 (02:13:19):
It took Harry Reid intervening in order to unlock his
medical records so that he could get medical attention from
the v A. I think this is going to be
the same. It's going to require you know, somebody from
Congress to intervene on his behalf to to you know,
I don't I don't know that, you know, it'll be

(02:13:41):
like a job out of it, but maybe they can
do something to restore his pension.

Speaker 3 (02:13:45):
What we don't know is.

Speaker 14 (02:13:49):
We know that he filed a report to Arrow, and
we know that he lost his pension. But what we
don't know is the reasons that were documented for why
he lost his pension. So it's you know, it's it
would be easy for us in the community to just say, well,
it must be because he fouled the report, but we

(02:14:11):
really don't know what excuse was given or reason was
given for why he lost his pension. And so that's
where I think, you know, congressional oversight. You know, he should,
he should probably if he hasn't already you know, obtained
legal counsel and and and fight it from that avenue.
But it probably is going to take like I said,

(02:14:32):
somebody in Congress, maybe Luna, maybe Tim Burchett, jump jumping
in on his behalf and pushing and pushing for you know.

Speaker 1 (02:14:40):
The right thing to be done. Yeah, I would agree
with you on that one. And and you know, I
think you know that was probably the most heartfelt part
of this on. Look, you don't have to believe his story.
You don't have to believe his encounter. You don't, you know.
I mean, the people out there are already chanting, where's
the proof, where's the proof?

Speaker 12 (02:15:01):
You have?

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
No evidence? Is just another story. This guy has proof
about his career ending over this, you know. I will
say this though, and to play devil's advocate for a moment.
Outside of the UFO report that he filed, we don't
know anything else that he was into. We don't know

(02:15:22):
if he screwed up a project. We don't know if
he maybe had a cell phone compromised by the Chinese
government and Chinese spies. Now I'm hypothesizing here. We don't know, okay,
But when you get into those type of intel situations,
you know, the one thing I do know is they're

(02:15:44):
pretty sticky on knowing everything about you and who you're
communicating with and why are you communicating with a foreign
national or whatever. They know every move you make, and
it's all for national security. And when you sign on
the dotted line, you give your life to that job.

(02:16:07):
Every perspective, even what goes on in your bedroom. They
know what's going on, and even and even after you retire.

Speaker 14 (02:16:16):
I mean, it's you know, it's you're locked into non
disclosure agreements and everything else, you know, security clearance, et cetera. Yeah,
I mean, and that's what i'm That's what I mean
by you know, we don't know all the details, we
don't know all the facts, and so I think it
would be I think it would be, uh, you know,

(02:16:38):
a poor investigation for us or anybody in the community,
in the community to just draw the line between he
submitted a report and he lost his pension. It's retaliation
for submitting a report, because we there's there's just not
enough information that's been presented to really support that case

(02:16:58):
in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:17:01):
We have seven minutes to go here before we go
to break at the bottom of the hour. Josh, what
do you got for us Newswise? Uh, yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (02:17:09):
News is a little light right now, but I've got
a few things.

Speaker 2 (02:17:13):
Uh So.

Speaker 14 (02:17:15):
Representative Luna went on the news shortly after the hearing
last week, and one of the things that she's pushing
for with this new bill that her and Tim Burchett
have introduced is immunity for UAP whistleblowers, so you know,
even if they get caught up in some you know,

(02:17:37):
some hairy stuff because of the job that they're doing.
Like George Napp kept, you know, kept echoing, I don't
blame you know, he kept saying, I don't blame the
you know, the the contractors because they're just doing what
the government is asking him to do. So this would basically,
I think, give anybody from a contracting agency the ability
to come forward as a whistleblower and not face prosecution

(02:18:01):
for maybe breaking an NBA or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:18:05):
You know, if if we're going to go forward.

Speaker 14 (02:18:08):
So I think this, I think this bill, if it
makes it through oversight and actually gets voted on it passes,
could be a huge step forward and actually protecting the
whistle blowers that do come forward, and maybe we could
get whistle blowers from these contracting agencies to come forward
as opposed to you know, just folks that are within

(02:18:30):
the government.

Speaker 1 (02:18:32):
I would like to see this happen. I really would.
But here's the problem that I have. And please correct
me if I'm wrong, because I'm very I know I'm
going to be very opinionated on this. Okay, do we
really have whistle blowers or are they people who are
just having experiences like you and I, But they have

(02:18:56):
a specific title within the military, and they are coming
forward and telling their story just like you would tell
your story on this show. Or the guys before the
Paranormal investigators Matt Eric and Austin from north By Northwest
Paranormal telling their stories. What really is the difference because

(02:19:17):
I don't see these people as whistleblowers as much as
I would call them eye witnesses or experiencers.

Speaker 3 (02:19:27):
Yeah, I would say that.

Speaker 14 (02:19:29):
Like the last panel that we had, there were no
whistle blowers on that panel. Dave Grush, I would say,
as a whistle blower, And so people like him maybe
in Lockheed Martin or north of.

Speaker 3 (02:19:45):
Grunham, or you know a G and G.

Speaker 14 (02:19:48):
Maybe you know those folks that have knowledge of these
reverse engineering programs or crash retriever programs or whatever the
case may be that Grush talked about if they could
come forward.

Speaker 3 (02:20:00):
In my mind, they are whistleblowers.

Speaker 14 (02:20:01):
But you're right, the folks in the last panel were
simply we'll call it high credibility experiences.

Speaker 1 (02:20:10):
That I think that's a great name for it. I do.
And look, I don't mean to play these people down.
I'm not trying to be a jerk out there saying
they're not whistleblowers. But the problem that we have is
whistleblowers bring receipts, they bring proof. Okay, you know they

(02:20:31):
are people who will say, screw the NDA. I'm got
to get this out to the public and make it happen.
We really haven't seen that because many of them are
hiding behind a skiff. Many of them are hiding behind
the NDAs because they're not. I shouldn't say they're hiding
behind the NDAs. That's wrong. Many can't say much more

(02:20:55):
than what they can because of the NDAs. So I'm
just I'm wondering, what is the point of bringing in
whistleblower protection if we don't really truly have whistleblowers.

Speaker 14 (02:21:09):
Well, I I think we do have whistleblowers. I think
Dave Rush is a whistleblower. The difficulty is when you
compare Grush with Snowden, it's too it's it's it's two
extreme cases of whistleblowing. Snowden Uh, you know, like you said,
he made the receipts public and for doing so, he

(02:21:32):
can no longer enter the country. I think Grush brought
the detail that he could to the public, and then
he works and has been working to make the detail
available to Congress that he can. But at the end
of the day, he still wants to live in the country.
He still has a family that wants to live in

(02:21:54):
the country. So I don't I don't, uh, you know,
I don't disc count his being a whistleblower simply because
he was not willing to sacrifice his citizenship in order
to bring the truth out. And so that's why I
was like, maybe these you know, immunity for UAP whistleblowers

(02:22:16):
will go longer and farther in allowing people like Grush
to actually give more to the public and not have
to worry about facing you know, prosecution or loss of
pension or worse, loss of citizenship.

Speaker 1 (02:22:35):
I agree with you there, I totally agree with you
there that it is something that does need to be addressed.
And look, when I when I say what I said earlier,
I don't want to make it sound like I'm talking
out of both sides of my mouth, but there does
have to be something in place where these people do
not have to fear retribution of any sort, whether they're

(02:22:57):
whistleblowers or not. I mean that truly is is semantics
at the best of times on that, and I do agree.
I mean, when you're playing with something as slippery as
the US Intelligence or US Spygate or whatever you want
to call it, you have to play by their rules.
If not, you're screwed. You're absolutely screwed. But you know,

(02:23:21):
on the flip side, these people have to feel comfortable
in coming forward. How many people are working right now
who are like, no way, I'm not going down. I
saw what happened to David Grush, I've seen what happened
to other people, you know, the way they treated Jake
Barber or whoever else.

Speaker 4 (02:23:43):
It may be.

Speaker 1 (02:23:44):
I've seen it happen, and I'm all going down that road.
I'll take this to my grave.

Speaker 14 (02:23:50):
And I would even argue that Borden was a whistleblower
for how broken the Arrow process was at the time
that he made his report. I mean, that's what he
basically highlighted, right, is that the Arrow process was a
facade that they really didn't want to receive credible information

(02:24:11):
and reports at the time that Sean Kirkpatrick was running
the thing quite Sean for Kirkpatrick with basically, you know,
the Condon Report where he had already made up his
mind and he was just running this fake group of
people not really intending to actually do anything.

Speaker 3 (02:24:31):
Did he really do that or was he told to
do that?

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
Because Susan Goff, the head of PR for the Pentagon,
seems very staunch at putting down every UFO report there is.
Josh Rutledge the UFO report on space Out Radio continues
right after this, This is spaced Out Radio, and your
hosts nay Stoff, all right, my man, we are clear.

(02:25:19):
Good convo so far. Yeah, good convo. M Yeah, there

(02:25:39):
we go. Have you noticed on Facebook you're getting like
thirty to fifty friend requests a day now? Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:25:55):
Yes, but I deny most of them. Yeah. I took
the stance of.

Speaker 14 (02:26:04):
If I know you because I've been on your show,
or because I've had you on my show, or we
made at a conference or something, then I'll accept your
friend request. Everybody else can just follow me if they
want to see information that I'm putting out right, because
I still also share personal stuff on Facebook, and so
I don't want, you know, I don't want random people

(02:26:27):
that I don't know, you know, what they're up to
to have access to like pictures of my kids and stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:26:33):
So yeah, yeah, I hear you there, man, I hear
you there, all too well, all too well. The other
thing I've noticed too about Facebook, not so much on
my computer as it is on my phone, where I

(02:26:53):
barely see people anymore. It's all advertising groups now and
groups that I would never that I would never even follow,
and it's like, I just want to see somebody, somebody
that I know on my Facebook. I mean, back in

(02:27:16):
the day, it was like you only saw seven percent
of the people that you're friends with. Now that number
has to be down. It's all advertising groups and videos
and everything, and it's like I spent half my day
hitting X on them.

Speaker 6 (02:27:31):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:27:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:27:34):
It's a little misleading too, because when it shows up
in my feed, if I want to comment on the
post from this random group, it takes me to a
page that says, great, now join this group so you
can comment. I'm like, well, I'm not gonna want to
comment that bad, and I'll join this group. But yeah,

(02:27:54):
I mean, I like, if I wasn't trying to push,
you know, my YouTube channel and my podcasts and things
like that.

Speaker 3 (02:28:03):
I don't know that I would be on Facebook anymore.

Speaker 14 (02:28:06):
Yeah, you know, you know, if I had the discretionary
income to hire someone to just maintain my Facebook page,
I would probably just use Messenger to talk with my
friends and family and probably never go on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (02:28:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:28:21):
I'm pretty much the same way, pretty much the same way,
you know. Karen Holland, Welcome to sour Chat. Thank you
for the compliments. Who else has joined us here? Eva?

Speaker 3 (02:28:41):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (02:28:41):
Sweet? Tony d How you doing? Good to see you
caught up there?

Speaker 14 (02:28:52):
All the other thing I did, and I guess I'm
gonna have to maybe adjust this is I turned off
notifications for all my social media apps.

Speaker 3 (02:28:59):
Oh I did that years ago. Yeah, one of the
greatest things.

Speaker 1 (02:29:02):
I ever did.

Speaker 14 (02:29:04):
I mean, every time I launch it, it asked me
if I want to turn it back on, I just
say no and move on. Right, My battery life is
much longer now, I'm not kidding. Hundreds of notifications just

(02:29:25):
drives me nuts. Drives me nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:29:31):
All right, we got about a minute to go here, Josh. Okay,
it's it's a you know, it's a it's a blessing
and a curse.

Speaker 14 (02:29:37):
Right, we're more connected now as a people than we've
ever been.

Speaker 3 (02:29:42):
But we've also have more fake connections than we've ever
had to worry about, you know, bots.

Speaker 14 (02:29:50):
And scammers and all kinds of other stuff that are
constantly hitting us up.

Speaker 1 (02:29:55):
So oh yeah, you know, it's a it's a catch
twenty two one hundred percent. Man, hold on right there.
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Our UFO report continues right after this. We were talking
about Arrow right beforehand, and the distrust that seems to
have a lot of people moving and shaking and wondering
whether or not whistleblower protection is important.

Speaker 3 (02:31:58):
Josh, you are in fame of it. I am.

Speaker 14 (02:32:03):
I really think it will go a long way to well,
like I said, I really hope it will lead to
not just government people coming forward, you know, because of
the military industrial complex and the way that it's structured
where so much of the actual work is done by

(02:32:26):
independent contractors, those independent contractors are not covered unerneath FOYE,
and so we will never be able to file anything
to really find out what they're doing with the billions
and trillions of dollars that they receive and have received
from the government. Over the last sixty plus years. So

(02:32:48):
the only way, in my opinion, that we'll ever know
is if you know, there's a either a bunch of
deathbed confessionals that somehow make it into the news media
or be people have protections and they start coming forward
with what they know about these programs and don't have,

(02:33:09):
you know, because they don't have to worry about being
ensued or you know, like I said, worse having to
somehow leave the country.

Speaker 1 (02:33:18):
You know what, you bring up a good point there,
You know that we really do need to pay a
little bit more attention to the surroundings of companies like
Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon and many many others that are
that are working privately and said to have this technology.

(02:33:40):
George Knapp obviously brought it up about Lockheed Martin and
and I think that there has to It's impossible under
the way it's set up that you could ever foya
put a Foyer request in to see what Lockheed Martin
has because they are a private company. But there has

(02:34:01):
to be a way that this congressional panel or members
of Nancy Mace's conspiracy club, okay, that they have to
be able to figure out a way of how this
information is getting to Lockheed or getting to Boeing or
any of these companies that are basically running the military

(02:34:24):
industrial complex, because if they do have those parts, those craft,
the bodies, wherever, whatever they have, in the end, that
is a humanity thing. And I'm wondering, because I don't
know the American system very well, I'm wondering, could any

(02:34:45):
of those companies be taken to court for information if
they're withholding it from the government.

Speaker 3 (02:34:52):
I don't think so.

Speaker 14 (02:34:56):
Because and I think it's probably because it's going to
be more than likely. The companies, because of their governmental contracts,
are compartmentalized just like the government is. So it's on
a need to know basis, and if you don't need
to know, they don't have to tell you. So they
likely have a contact one or two within the government

(02:35:19):
that manages their contract, and via that contact they pass
information back relevant to you know, the delivery of the contract.
So whether or not that person within the government then
disseminates that information is outside of the control of the
company that is performing the activities. At the end of

(02:35:41):
the day, they're going to say we gave all everything
we had to Joe Schmoe as our contact.

Speaker 3 (02:35:48):
We have no knowledge of.

Speaker 14 (02:35:49):
What Joe Schmoe did with it after you know we
did so, and so I don't think, well, I don't
think we'll ever see like a lawsuit against Lockheed Martin
to reveal the information. But what I think we could
see is as a part of these congressional hearings, is
they could subpoena somebody within one of these you know, age,

(02:36:11):
one of these companies for them to come in and
provide testimony on these these these programs. The problem will
be in finding the right person to subpoena, because again,
if it's compartmentalized, you can't just go to the board
and say, you know, give me these three people and

(02:36:33):
subpoena them like it has to be in my opinion,
and somebody has to name someone directly as being involved
or knowledge of involvement, and then they can subpoena that person.
The only name George Knapp gave in his testimony was
right towards the end of the hearing, and I don't
remember the name exactly, but the guy that he gave

(02:36:54):
died in twenty eighteen, So I don't think we can
subpoena him.

Speaker 1 (02:36:57):
Doctor James Ryder and yep, Glenn Gafney, Yeah, from the CIA, Yeah,
from the CIA. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:37:06):
But Ryder died in twenty eighteen. So unless we want
to break out the Ouiji board, we can't subpoena him.

Speaker 1 (02:37:12):
No, that's very fair. But there are people like Steve
Justice who would be available.

Speaker 3 (02:37:18):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 14 (02:37:20):
Is Steve Justice gonna take the stand and just say
I have no knowledge of you. You know what I'm saying, Like,
it's it's hard to nail down. It's like the arcade
game where you like hit the moles that are popping up,
like it's That's what I feel like it is. And
trying to find the right person who is going to

(02:37:42):
be a worthwhile subpoena, who's not just gonna sit there
and say I'm not sure, I don't know, I'll have
to check, you know, so on and so forth, and
it's going to be a wasted, you know, thirty five
minute hearing. Well here, here's the other thing that could
be possible is if they can't subpoena or try in

(02:38:02):
and get that information out of these private corporations, these
military incorporations, what they would have the power to do
is to subpoena, whether it's members of the joints, chiefs
of staff or head of the of the military branches
to come on in and say, you take questions from

(02:38:25):
us now on regards to whether or not this technology
is here and we've get and if we have given
that technology to these businesses these entities that you could do.

Speaker 3 (02:38:39):
I believe you could, and.

Speaker 14 (02:38:44):
One would assume they would be under oath and they
would be required to give honest answers. But there's still
a part of me that thinks they're just going to
say I haven't been right into those programs, or you
don't have c earance to be right into those programs,
so I can't tell you anything. We'll have to go
into a skiff, and then that skiff process will be

(02:39:07):
blocked like it was with Crush.

Speaker 1 (02:39:11):
Very much so. And and that is a very big possibility.
But wouldn't that be a little bit more powerful going
into future hearings if all of a sudden you're dealing
with with that type of information rather than dealing with
with people trying to say, got to put it in
a skiff. You know, I can't say that due to

(02:39:32):
my NDA, I can't do this. I can't do that,
because that's all we ever get is I can't, can't, can't, can't.

Speaker 14 (02:39:39):
You know, it's really interesting because it's a lot like
pleading the fifth in the courtroom. You know, you can
plead the fifth so you don't incriminate yourself, But in
the court of public opinion, typically pleading the fifth is
effectively pleading guilty.

Speaker 3 (02:39:57):
So if even if you got them all in in.

Speaker 14 (02:40:01):
A hearing and they all basically said the governmental equivalent
of I played the fifth, which is I could tell
you in a skiff to say to not say no
to whatever the question is and instead say I can
talk about it in a skiff in the court of
public opinion, would be an affirmation and the positive to

(02:40:23):
whatever the question is.

Speaker 3 (02:40:24):
In my opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:40:27):
And that's a good point. That's that's a good point.
What else do you got for us, my friend?

Speaker 6 (02:40:33):
So you.

Speaker 14 (02:40:37):
Talked about you know, the new I think you mentioned
the new leader of the Arrow program, doctor John Koslowski.
I think is how you pronounced his last name. Yes,
he was on Star Talk, which is Neil de grasse
Tyson's podcast video cast whatever it is on YouTube and

(02:41:01):
podcast versions about a month ago, and it's a really
good interview. It's about an hour or so long. And
one thing I was really surprised at and also happy with,
is that Neil did not take his normal stance that
he would normally take and say, you know, it's just

(02:41:23):
it's just all stuff that people are misidentifying. He instead
at one point and said, you know, they were talking
about whether or not the taboo around the topic still exists,
and Neil was just flabbergasted that it still does and said,
you know something the effect of, come on, we're having
congressional hearings about it.

Speaker 3 (02:41:42):
It's a real topic.

Speaker 14 (02:41:44):
So I think it's a it's a positive wind that
Neil is finally able to admit that there are things
in the sky that are unknown that are not just misidentification,
and that this is a topic worth investing energy, time,

(02:42:05):
money to investigate. It's also a little frustrating, as I'm
sure others are as well, that it's like we've been
saying this for thirty forty fifty years and Neil and
people like Neil Carl Sagan have yet you know, didn't

(02:42:26):
really take the topic serious. I know Carl did in
the beginning, but then he flopped the other way. So
it's just it's I think it's a breath of fresh
air that Neil is finally getting on board.

Speaker 3 (02:42:39):
With, you know, actually wanting to investigate this this topic.

Speaker 14 (02:42:43):
And what I also thought was really interesting is is
Neil proposed to doctor Kozlowski that he that the government
might consider placing like like a small little box or
something in people houses that would gather you know, kind
of environmental data e MF. You know, compass readings, accelerometers,

(02:43:10):
stuff like that, so that if the government had a
citing that they were investigating, they could go to a
pool of data environmental, you know, data about that kind
of stuff based on all these little boxes.

Speaker 3 (02:43:23):
And I thought that was really interesting because I have
one of those boxes in my house.

Speaker 14 (02:43:27):
It's part of Meidar, and there are hundreds of those
boxes across the US and the world. So maybe the
government just needs to talk to the folks that run
Madar and say, hey, what can we do to to
integrate and get access to your data.

Speaker 1 (02:43:47):
The fact that the grass Tyson is maybe coming around
is impressive because you know what, he took a lot
of heat over the last number of years, especially from
people like Avi Lobe, Gary Nolan regarding his naivety to
the subject, where he was commenting on the subject without
really studying it, and really, and I don't mean this

(02:44:12):
term as harsh as it sounds, but it was making
a mockery of what was truly going on, you know,
and the grass Tyson is obviously the most you know,
popular scientist in the United States. But I mean, let's
face it, you're not a dummy if you get a
job at Harvard like Avi Lobe running the astrophysics department.

Speaker 3 (02:44:38):
I mean it's also I think you know every time that.

Speaker 14 (02:44:43):
Like in my opinion, and either Neil doesn't understand this
or he's ignorant and just is doing it anyway. But
like you said, he's the most recognizable name. I think
if if somebody came in anybody on this street and said,
who is Neil de Grasse Tyson number one answer or pipy,

(02:45:04):
like he's like a science guy, right, I mean, it's
most people know who he is. So for him to
take the stance of it's all misidentification stuff, even if
that's his stance as because he doesn't have any evidence
to support the contrary from a scientific perspective, the fact

(02:45:26):
that he is to the mass public, the most recognizable
scientific figure. He has to realize that his voice carries
more weight than just as a scientific professional. So I
think that's the that's the big disconnect, and that's you know,
I like that he said it on his podcast. I

(02:45:50):
will love it even more if the next time something
comes around like this and they have Nil on a
panel or something on CNN or Fox News or News Nation,
if he would give the same opinion, you know, in
a more public set.

Speaker 1 (02:46:05):
So in other words, what you think is maybe he's
talking a little tough on his media interviews. Yeah, I mean, basically,
I think.

Speaker 14 (02:46:15):
He's he's very conservative in his willingness to come out
in support of continuing the investigation in mainstream but not
in you know, his personal.

Speaker 1 (02:46:29):
You know, podcasts and things like that. But let me
let me go the other side here for a second.
For the last few years he has pretty much made
a mockery of this subject. Yeah, you know, basically calling
his fellow scientists fools. So that's what you know, set
a vi lob off. That's what set Gary Nolan off,
you know. And we're talking people from Harvard and Stanford

(02:46:52):
Ivy League schools where that only hire the best of
the best.

Speaker 3 (02:46:59):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. I mean, I think
in the past years.

Speaker 14 (02:47:04):
I mean realistically, as a scientist, he shouldn't have an
opinion that lands one way or the other. The definition
that it is a UAP it is unknown. Therefore it
cannot be qualified as misidentificated, you, misidentification, or whatever the

(02:47:24):
case to be. For him to take the stance of
it's all misidentification is an erroneous statement from a scientific perspective.
It really indicates that that kind of stance is more
driven by his personal unwillingness to accept the possibility that

(02:47:45):
these things exist and they're real, and that they may
have origins beyond our current capabilities.

Speaker 12 (02:48:00):
Me.

Speaker 3 (02:48:00):
Bob once told me.

Speaker 1 (02:48:04):
That one of the problems with science today, as it's
morphed over the years because of residencies, because of grants,
because of tenure and opportunity and pressure from universities, that
scientists are no longer being scientists. They are focusing their

(02:48:29):
research on their opinions rather than the science. Because any
scientist out there, whether you're you're into physics, mathematics, whether
it's biology, whether it's chemistry, whether it's anatomy, anthropology. This

(02:48:52):
subject should be right up your alley. This subject should
be you know you have an Let me rephrase this
because when I speak science, I always trip and stumble
over my tongue because I'm not a scientific guy. But basically,
what Bob was saying was that we're not doing enough

(02:49:17):
thinking as scientists anymore. We're too busy giving constructive opinion
rather than saying, hey, this is the ultimate question. There's
two ultimate questions on this planet for every person out there,
is there life after death? And is their life out

(02:49:37):
in the stars? Those are the two most biggest questions
on this planet. And if we are shutting the door
on it by just saying, yeah, there's probably life out
there somewhere, but it ain't here outside of what we got,
there's nothing here. It's pretty narrow minded. It's not very scientific.

Speaker 14 (02:50:02):
Yeah, And I think they you know, it's interesting you
use the word opinion, because a theory is an educated opinion,
and then you do the science to collect data and
analyze it to determine if.

Speaker 3 (02:50:21):
It supports your theory or if it rejects your theory.

Speaker 14 (02:50:27):
So I would say, you know, although I agree that
you know, we're you know, as it comes to this topic,
most scientists are not willing to pick up and do
the the the legwork to do scientific tests. I would
also say that when it comes to this topic, it's
really difficult to do scientific tests as we know, I

(02:50:48):
mean we you know, in order for you to be
able to test something, you have to be able to
reproduce it.

Speaker 3 (02:50:54):
At will to to our knowledge.

Speaker 14 (02:50:58):
You know, aside from the science onx guys, which is
a relatively new development, we did not have a way
to predict or even you know, cause a up citing
to occur or UAP experience to occur. So it's really
hard to test that from a scientific perspective. When you

(02:51:18):
can't you can't control the thing.

Speaker 3 (02:51:22):
That you want to test. So it you know, there's
that aspect.

Speaker 14 (02:51:28):
And then number two, you know, to your point around
you know, grants and things like that. I do think
because like you say, you know, scientists want to get paid.
Everybody wants to get paid. If the government were to
hand out grants to investigate UAPs, I think science would
they would get those grants, they would develop programs and

(02:51:51):
they would investigate the topic. But just like you know,
every politician, their number one job is to money for
the party and to get re elected. I think for
science it is true too. It's their job to raise
money for the department, for the school and to stay employed.

Speaker 1 (02:52:11):
Good point, Josh, great area. To end this UFO report,
We'll talk to you for the quick spinning tomorrow night
on the show Josh Rutledge from Mystic Journeys on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (02:52:22):
As we say, good bank to.

Speaker 1 (02:52:24):
Josh and hello to mister Ron. Bumblefoot ball rocking in
the background with little brother is watching. Bumblefoot is the
official music of spaced Out Radio, rocking us in and
out of every single show. Get your horns up for
the guitar God of Self special. Thanks to everybody listening in,
at work, at home, in your cars, wherever you may be.

(02:52:47):
Thank you to everyone in our chat rooms tonight, YouTube, Twitch, Helgap, Facebook, spreaker,
LinkedIn the Space Travelers Club and on ex hashtag spaced
Out Radio. Remember this show is copyright by spaced Out Radio,
a Bigfoot Broadcasting Limited. Thank you so much for choosing

(02:53:09):
to share your evening with us, because together my friends.

Speaker 5 (02:53:14):
Watching, we own the Knights.

Speaker 1 (02:53:17):
Mister Bumblefoot, we need a favor, We need you to
take us home. Yes, the wou train has docked for
the night, but soon, my friends, we shall ride again.

(02:53:38):
Your seats are always available, your tickets never expire. And
if you want to bring a friend, yeah we've got
room for them too. Good Night, everybody,