Sept. 19/25 - Dark Forces & Paranormal with Kaedrich Olsen

Kaedrich Olsen joins us to talk about everything paranormal. After 30-years of teaching people about the paranormal and supernatural, Kaedrich has seen enough to believe there is another realm of phenomena that envelopes humanity.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hello, and welcome to the radio and podcast side of
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Olsen is gonna join us. We're gonna have a lot
of fun. What are we gonna talk about, Well, let
me tell you dark forces, spirit, possessions and much more.
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to be possessed. What's it like to see the darkness
of the paradormal? Kdrik Olsen is going to join us.
We're gonna get deep into all of this tonight. Then
in our number three, Lee Strauss is going to join
us for the Q and A. So make sure you
participate in that because we like getting audience questions in there.

(03:12):
But I'm excited about this guy because it's Kadrik Olson's
first time on spaced Out Radio. And let me tell you,
I know this is going to be a good show
right off the bat. How do I know Because I
know you can't see it on our radio side, but
on the YouTube side you can. We get a bird's
eye view. This guy has a power beard of knowledge.

(03:34):
That beard of knowledge is going to teach us tonight.
And let me tell you a little bit about him.
Kadrik is a renowned author, speaker, spiritual teacher at paranormal
expert with over thirty years of experience helping others navigate
the unseen realms. Known for his extraordinary life between worlds,
Kadrick brings deep wisdom and practical guidance to those ready

(03:58):
to explore the mysteries of the afterlife. Life shadow work
and ancient spiritual traditions. From growing up in a haunted
house to training in seance and channeling at a spiritualist church,
Kdrick's path has always been interested and intertwined with the supernatural.
His lifelong connection with advanced spiritual beings known as the whisperers,

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gives him unparalleled insight into the spiritual dimensions, the structure
of the afterlife, and how to work with spirits and
entities of all kinds. Now, if that doesn't tickle your
paranormal fancy, I don't know what is. Let's bring in
the beard of paranormal knowledge. Kadrick Olsen. Welcome to spaced
Out Radio for the first time. How are you hey,

(04:43):
I'm doing great. Thank you for having me here. Oh man, anytime, anytime.
I can already tell this is going to be a
good show and I'm looking forward to it. My man,
and I want to learn a little bit about you
here right off the bat, because thirty years you've been
delving into the paranormal and supernatural. What led you to

(05:03):
this path?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
That's a great question and a little bit of clarification.
It's been thirty years teaching people and helping people with it.
And the reason why I make that distinction is I
literally grew up with the paranormal. And what I mean
by that is my mother's OBGYN when she was pregnant
with me was doctor Robert Bradley, who not only was

(05:27):
the inventor of the Bradley Method natural method of childbirth,
but he would hold regular seances in his home. Part
of his story is captured in the movie The Changeling
with George C. Scott way back in the eighties, and
I attended a number of his lectures, met him personally
a few times when he would teach at the Spiritualist
church that I was growing up in. So right off

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the bat, born into the paranormal, grew up in a
haunted house, who was so haunted that you know back
in the old days, you know, you remember these just
like I do, where the TV had to to get
up and walk across the room and change the dial.
You say, hey, Dad, why can't we get a TV
with a remote control? And he would go, well, why
do I need that, I got a remote control already.
You He would actually be watching TV and the dial

(06:15):
would physically change. While you're watching the TV, the radios
would turn on my mom collected music boxes and they
would all go off at the same time. Hear footsteps
up and down the hallway. And like I said, I
went to a Spiritualist church, which is like your typical
Protestant church. The services are just like you would expect
in a normal Protestant church, but they concluded with one

(06:38):
to three trance channelers coming up on stage at the
end of the service giving channeling. And every Saturday night
in the basement the church would hold seances. And I
went to a psychic development class as a kid. Like
I said, literally grew up with this. It's a natural,
normal part of the world to me because I've been

(06:58):
doing it for fifty three years years now.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, I want to tell you a little bit about me.
December thirteenth, twenty eleven, my first true incredible paranormal experience
personal experience. I had lived in a haunted house and
worked in a haunted building. I'd seen two UFOs. At
that time, I actually channeled the Angel of Death. I

(07:29):
didn't even know what channeling was. I had seen him
earlier on in my mother's eyes, and two hours after
everybody had left my house, the Angel of Death came
back to me. And channeled through me on how to
keep my mom alive. Oh good. And the interesting part

(07:51):
was there was a recording of it for thirty eight minutes.
And then do you remember the old iPhone threes famous
or infamous blue screens of death that immediately killed your phone.
That's what wiped it out, unfortunately. But the one thing's
thing that I remember the most about that conversation with him,

(08:14):
or him speaking through me, was the fact that he
stated that my mom was ill and that if we
as a family did not start loving her more and
showing her more love, he was going to take her home.
He didn't say Heaven, he didn't say hell. He said
take her home. I got another twelve years out of

(08:38):
my mom or ten years. Yeah, twelve years out of
my mom. She would have never met my son, you know,
and here she was, you know, you know, she passed
away at the age of eighty and hard to believe.
Mom was eighty, man, that's hard to believe. But nonetheless,
you know, it's weird how the phenomena can affect you.

(09:02):
I mean, you got it early in your life, extremely early.
I got it at thirty eight years old. You know,
I'm now fifty two. So I've been dealing with this
for fourteen years. I mean, how do you tell people
who may not understand what this is all about that
it doesn't matter what age it is. I mean, when
the phenomena sets the hook and you're like fishing, you

(09:25):
got to answer the bell.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
I tell people all the time that we live in
a spiritual and a physical world all the time. The
paranormal is a completely normal part of our world. It's supernatural,
completely natural, and we were all born with paranormal abilities,
our natural abilities, our natural gifts. It's when we think
about kids having imaginary friends, or they're just aware of

(09:50):
something else going on. They dream something very interesting, or
they remember spontaneously a past life. That's their paranormal abilities.
That happens is Mom and dad, Oh now it's just
your imaginary friend. I don't want to hear any more
of your little games. Go play in your room quiet
to even the fear that sets in. You know, these
are deem These are awful, evil things. If you do that,

(10:13):
you're going to hell. They're going to take your soul.
Friends laughing at them in school and nobody else around
them acknowledging that these things are around. So most people
in this world just tune out their abilities, They just
turn them off, they stop using them because it's a
way of adapting to our society or culture that's around us.

(10:33):
And then something happens along the way in life those
abilities kick on again. They start to wake up a
little bit. They have a paranormal experience, an undeniable one,
and then they go, oh, yeah, there is more to
this world. There's more going on. And when I'm working
with clients and they're working with their abilities or learning
how to reconnect with them and re understand them, every
single one of them goes, oh yeah, remember now back

(10:55):
in when I was a kid, this happened, that happened,
This was going on, that was good going on.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Oh what happened over the years.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
It's just what happens with our culture, and we start
we can reclaim that we can return back to our
spiritual side, in our spiritual existence.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
As you went on your journey to learning and gaining knowledge,
some of the paths that you went down, you know,
like when people ask me, let me rephrase that so
I could put it as I would understand the question.
When people ask me, you know, hey man, how did
you get into this you know, what did you do?

(11:35):
How can I learn about this more? I always answer
with a little bit of a smirk on my face,
and I ask one question, how far down the rabbit
hole do you want to go? And it catches people
off guard because they don't know if I'm if I'm
telling the truth or if I'm just playing a joke

(11:59):
on them, And then when they finally realize them I'm
being serious. It's kind of like that spiritual uh oh
movement that kind of kicks in on their face and
their body language. For you, as you've developed your own
skills and decided that you wanted to go deep down

(12:19):
the rabbit hole, what kind of of roadblocks did you hit?
What kind of paths did you take?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
That's a really good question. I'm glad you asked that
what kind of roadblocks are there? Because me too, I'm
just like everybody else.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I'm human.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
I have insecurities, I have doubt, I have those blocks
that just pop up. And the biggest one was I
was always the weirdo. I was always the like the outcast,
and there was no way I was fitting in with
the normal mainstream world at all, which made it so

(12:57):
challenging going through junior high at high school, because I
was really the weird o kid. Not only did I
dress it, you know, I was, you know, the goth
punk industrial kid listening to that crazy music with the
weird hair and the black clothes. I still wear all
black clothes. It's just really comfortable. But it was trying to,
you know, get a job, trying to figure out what

(13:17):
my place is in this world and who I am,
and thinking I had to conform to mainstream standards, that
I had to fit the norms of society, when really
my uniqueness, my abilities, the things that I learned, the
things that I grew were my strengths. And it took
some ment of shadow work. It took some deep introspection

(13:38):
and some connecting with those dark, dark thoughts was all
around me to go no, no, no, no, no, this is
my strength. These are people reflecting their shadows that they learned.
This is people trying to enforce their comfort zones onto me,
which is not serving anybody at all. And so I
learned to just say, okay, great, I'm going to fly
my freak flag. I'm going to fly it proud. It's

(13:59):
going to be everything they do everywhere, all the time,
that's me, and when I got over that hurdle, look
where we are today. I'm helping to share these experiences
with people and help them realize this is a natural
level part of being a human.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
This may be a tough follow up to that, and
I'm not sure how you're going to answer it. So
I'm very curious how has New Age spirituality, the peace,
love and light, the crystals and the gem shops, the
tarot cards, the tea leaf readers, how has that kind

(14:34):
of changed the look at spirituality for you? Because so
many people are delving into that last the last number
of years, and the New Age spirituality really seems to
hit a big popularity with people, especially women and especially
you know, younger women. And my question to you, and
the sex really isn't isn't important, But my question to

(14:58):
you about that is, I know a lot of people
in my community who are into this new age of
spirituality that they're trying to find their path and find
their own glory and their inner self and their spiritual
peace on that. But in my opinion, spirituality is so
much more than that, because you can't control what the

(15:20):
phenomena is going to put in your road. Where I
feel a lot of these New Age spiritualists feel that
they can control their own destiny because of the two
words free will.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
That's a fair question to ask, because the New Age
community is almost a double edged sword in a sense,
because remember where we are in the spiritual world these
days and where it was. You remember the Satanic panic
of the eighties and how that really upset everybody. Let's
stack kind of like pull out, And this is going

(15:55):
to be a bit of a long winded answer.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
I apologize for that, but no.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Please, we we got eight minutes. If you can take
it eight minutes to shoot this question, I would love it.
But take your tape.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
If we pull all the way back out, we go
back to ancient societies. They lived and communicated and worked
with the spiritual beings as a natural part of their world.
That wasn't a scary thing, it wasn't an evil thing.
But as medieval times came in and the church came in,
it started to say only our church, only our way

(16:25):
is it. Everything else is evil, everything else is bad.
People you know, were persecuted, killed, tortured because they believed
in a different spiritual path. They believed a little bit
different than the mainstream at that time, and so a
lot of these mystery schools, a lot of these teaching
groups had to go underground. They had to become really secret,
which is where we get the word occult from occult

(16:48):
means hidden. So they had to hide themselves so that
they wouldn't get tortured and killed because of their spiritual growth,
their spiritual practices, and the church is really really good
at pr They can find a group that they don't like,
that they don't agree with, and convince the population that
these are evil satanic people trying to come and get

(17:08):
your children, to destroy your family and ruin everything. And
fear is a powerful motivator, and the church is an authority,
so people believe that people follow that thoroughly.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Well.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Now comes along the mid you know, even the nineteenth
century with a miracle Club and the folks in New
York that we're working on the whole power of positive thinking,
the power of attraction, all of that law of attraction,
all that it had to be very sacriing, it had
to be very peace, love and light, puppy dogs and rainbows,

(17:41):
so that it wasn't scaring the mainstream people. So the
people would see this and go oh the threefold law.
Oh this happy, this good stuff, this happy, wonderful stuff. Yeah, okay,
these aren't bad people, they're just weird because anything that
wasn't part of mainstream religion was instantly lambasted as evil.
As we are progressing though, from the mid nineteen hundreds,

(18:04):
from the mid twentieth century into where we are today,
there is a limiting factor to the New Age community
because it is peace, love and light, and I could
lead to some spiritual bypassing, Oh I'm angry. I must
not be very spiritual. I must not be doing my
spiritual I have negative thoughts, I have bad thoughts. It
must mean I'm not really a good person. So let's
throw more peace, love and light at it. And it
pushes down those darker aspects of ourselves which really need

(18:27):
to be taken a look at, which we have to
have a harder look at what that is. And so,
like I said, it's a double edged sword. We need
that peace, love and might in a sense to reach
more of the mainstream so that it doesn't look as
evil satanic people coming to take our children. But at
the same time it's limiting because it's not giving the
full picture. The full spectrum of humanity, the spiritual community,

(18:50):
what goes on in so many different places. So I
have a complex answer to that one, and so I
apologize for that.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
And I think that's a good answer. I think that's
a good answer, you know. And I was kind of
giggling inside my head here as you were answering that,
because I'm like, geez, you know, when I go to
the local, you know, markets, because I live in a
small town where local markets are still a big thing,
you know what I'm saying. And you go there and
you see the people who have all the gemstones and

(19:18):
the bracelets and the necklaces, and you know, this is
a piece of go f your celf height, you know.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
And and if you wear this on your necklace around
your neck, you know, between the hours of six and nine,
it's going to purify your chakras or whatever you want
to call it. I I go to those people when
I go around them, you know, because I look at
them and I'm like, man, you're so out of touch

(19:49):
with what the phenomena really is. You don't need that
that crystal, you don't need that that necklace or that
bracelet or whatever.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, I mean and I say that as as a
hypocrite because I have a bracelet of soda light on
my microphone. Okay, so I'm speaking from following for it
at one point, but now I just kind of look
at it on my own spiritual path and say, isn't
this just all inside of us? And when you give
yourself to the phenomena, which I still think is quite godly,

(20:24):
you know, and probably is a path of God in
a way a different way. Isn't it just about what
is in tune with you and what you're allowing yourself
to get in tune with rather than using a crutch
of a crystal or of a gemstone. Yes, and no.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
That's what I call the believing scene dynamic. And what
I mean by that is, if you can believe it
just a little bit, you'll see it a little bit,
which then reinforces that belief. So now you have more
of a belief. So now you see it more, and
you see it more, you believe it more. And people
have been trained that they are not connected to the spiritual,

(21:07):
that they are not in the spiritual world. People have
been trained to be completely shut down, and so when
they get some of these tools, when they learn some
of the rituals, some of the practices, even if it's
wearing a crystal or any of the stones. They believe it,
and then they start to see it, and then they
start to progress, and then they get to the point

(21:27):
just like what you're saying is like, oh, this was
always in me the entire time. I don't need to
do all that. I don't need to do all this.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's just me. But it also helps in a group.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Setting, like if you get a group of people together
and you're doing the same processes and they all agree
what these tools are and what they're doing, it helps
their minds tune into the same process. But again, it's
just tools. They're just physical tools to affect our consciousness.
Because you're absolutely right, it's within us. And you will
get to the point where you don't need any of
that because you won't use it in the afterlife, won't

(22:00):
it when you have no longer a body. So it's
that believing, seeing dynamic that will eventually get you to
that place.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Okay, so with two minutes to go here, isn't that
putting your trust in some sort of falsehood or false
idol at first?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yes, and if you leave it there you can get
stuck there. But if you continue to grow. See I
tell people all the time, if you ever find an answer,
you went the wrong way. But if you keep finding
ways to ask better questions, you're headed in the right direction.
So if you say, well, I've got my crystal, that's
all I need done. And for some people that's enough,
and if that's all they want, let them have it.

(22:40):
But if other people are using that to ask better questions,
they'll get to that point. They'll get there.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I love chatting with you already, I do. I do.
You're like instantly one of my favorites. After eleven years,
you're instantly one of my favorites. So I'm so excited
about this. And trust me when I when I say this,
and I know I've read a couple of comments in
our chat rooms already. You know I'm not saying this

(23:08):
to put down people for you know, going to the
store to buy emiolite or soda light or any type
of crystal. I mean, hell, at my gifting site, I
have jade, I have courts there because apparently Sasquatch likes them,
even though they haven't taken mine yet. Okay, so I'm
not saying that it's that it's you know, out of

(23:30):
the realm that these things don't help. What I am
saying is this as as Katerriick just said, this is
all really within us. It's already built in. It's stored
in the body. It's stored in the brain, the mind,
and the soul. You don't need the stuff or to
spend a ton of money. It's like ghost hunting. But

(23:50):
you hear people go ghost hunting, Kadrick. You know they
go think they got to go to the ghost store
and buy six, seven, eight, nine hundred dollars worth of equipment.
When your best equipment is your body. Your best equipment
is your brain, your eyes, your ears, your nose for
some of us who have a nose that works, you know,

(24:12):
that's what it's all about. And that's what I just
don't like people getting sucked in. That's I think the
big thing. And Kterrick, I hate to cut you off
right there, but we are going to go to our
first break at the bottom of the hour. Kadrik Olsen
his website kadrick dot com. You can check him on
out there. Spiritual status, shadow beings, dark forces, manipulation and

(24:38):
more from the Spirit Realm with kdrik Olsen next on
spaced out Radio. You have to forgive me because I

(24:59):
know there are topics I want to hit. But sometimes
when the conversation gets good, I just kind of get lost.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
Oh, not a word, not a word. I can keep
going on this one to the difference between esoteric and
exoteric practices, and I put together a class about being
your own K two meter. I can keep going on
this too.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Oh, my god, you are a wealth of knowledge, my man.
This is why you know you are the beard of
paranormal knowledge right there. Indeed, mister being friends, how you doing?
Welcome Jeff Steve Garvey is here. He'll hit a home
run for you, all right, skip them. A little good

(25:38):
morning to you, Vanessa? How are you this evening? And
let's see here. Okay, I can just feel some of
my listeners getting pissed.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Off with me.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
Dave, don't you shut down my crystals? Don't you shut
down my gems? Stop it, stop it smacking my hand.
You know that's okay, no worries. I always wear crystal myself.
I just like the way it looks, I can feel it.
I like the way it feels.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
But yeah, the reason why I do keep so de
light around is because it's alleged to help with depression anxiety,
and it helps with left handed people because left handed
people are more creative than right handed, and so I

(26:31):
keep it on my microphone as a symbol of good luck.
So I am usual being a complete hypocrite to what
I just asked you. So, but that's okay, not at all.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
When we use amulets, I know we're not on air,
but when we use ambulets, it's actually what our intention
is that we use it for. It's like a subconscious reminder.
In hypnotherapy, we would call that an anchor. So when
you get to a certain state of mind, a certain
inneral that you want to have, we anchor it so
that a person can, you know, do a certain boudra

(27:04):
they touched that body part or they have an amulet
like that that reminds the subconscious to tune in. So,
just like what you're saying, it does have an effect
on our psyche.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Totally, totally does No. I love it. I love it,
And you know, I guess one of the big reasons
why I kind of went down that road is I
have a friend of mine right now who's way more.
And I had a conversation with her the other day.
She is way more powerful than what she knows. But

(27:40):
she's caught up with the New Age thinking that going
down the rabbit hole scares her, even though she is
of First Nation's heritage and it comes naturally to her.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Yep, that's what I meant by our society and our culture.
It just shuts that down everywhere.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, but she's very much wanting she she's very much
battling between her on how she wants to take this
because she is so she's she's scared. Okay, she's scared
of what she might see, she's scared of what she
may channel. She's scared of what she may communicate with. Uh,

(28:27):
She's scared. And the the New Age, Peace, love and
light is very much a protectant for her. It's like
a it's like a safeguard rather And so I'm not
you know, I'm not trying to get her to come
out of that shell. And I and I had a
conversation with her because our sons play hockey together and

(28:48):
I and I basically told her, I said, look, this
is a decision you need to make. I said, but
what you need to do is you need to talk
to your guides to be an ask them point blank,
did the people who train me maybe give me the
proper building blocks but the wrong information on how to
put those blocks together? Interesting? And I said, your spirit

(29:13):
guides may come back and say Dave is completely wrong,
or these other people are wrong, or may take you
on a completely different path. And that's okay. There is
no win lose here, you know exactly I said, But
you need to talk to your guides and just say say, hey, man, like,
was I given bad information?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
They'll tell you exactly exactly, and that will open even
more doors by learning to listen to those guides and
connect with that information and using.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
It absolutely, my man. Absolutely. In the studio, how you doing?
We got about twenty five seconds. A big thank you
to Kitty, Kaddy, Pam for the great super chats. Our
audience is probably like, Man, I didn't realize Dave goes
this deep into the spiritual zen mode. Man, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
I do.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's relaxing to me to do that. Stores open on
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kdrick dot com. That's k Ae d Riich dot com Kdrick.

(32:09):
Welcome back. A pleasure to have you here. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
This is a great conversation, like looking forward to continuing.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
One of the topics that over the ten years and
ten months that we have been doing this show, one
of the topics that we've never did enough on is seances.
Now I got to tell you, my friend, I want
to take part in one of these. So bad, so

(32:39):
bad for people who may not understand what a seance is,
please break that down.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
For us, absolutely think of it more of is a
process to tune in. You see, we hear so much
about the veil between worlds, like at midnight the veil
is thinnest between worlds, or somehow it's now three am
the bail between world is thinnest. I think somebody is
on the west coast looking at East coast time. I

(33:04):
don't know the vice versa there, we y all, but
there is no bail between worlds. It's not when you
go to a cemetery the veil's thinnest. It's not Halloween
or Volpurgis knock that the veil is the thinnest that
you are the veil. You have the ability to tune
in and communicate with spirits at any time, all the time.
You always have had that ability. But when we are

(33:27):
in our normal day to day world, driving our car,
going to work, we need to be in the physical world.
We are not tuned into the spiritual side. And that's okay.
You know, we can't do a spreadsheet and communicate with
a spirit at the same time. It uses two different
parts of the brain, two different parts of everything going on.
And what a seance is is think of it as
just a process to tune in. It's where we set energies,

(33:50):
we set a safe setting. And that's one of the
key rules here. I've got like a list of ten
rules for interacting with the paranormal. The biggest one is
similarities attracted for petuate. And so if you're worried, and
if you're scared about something negative or bad, well it's
a lot of the TV shows and movies will show that.
But in a seance, we're setting it up so that
it's sacred space, it's safe, and we're getting ourselves into

(34:12):
a meditative state of mind. And however people do in
the different chance, they say, sitting around the table, holding hands, whatever,
it doesn't matter. It's just a process so that you
tune in, and once you're tuned in, the communications come
through and people have a connection and they realize that
death is not the end of a person's existence.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
And here I thought it was just about trying to communicate,
bring everybody's energy together to move tables or tip tables
or move chairs.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Those are forms of communication. Table tipping was really big,
I would say, late nineteenth century to early twentieth century,
where a spirit would come through. People put their hands
on the table and they would ask the spirit to
come through, and the table would tip and it would
basically tap letter for the A letter for the alphabet,

(35:06):
you know, like one tap for A, two taps for B.
And so the table tipping was all about a form
of communication, moving chairs, all the other kind of stuff
it can happen. You know, I've been doing this my
entire life, and I've only seen something move without anyone
near at one time. I've only seen ectoplasm one time.
I used to think ectoplasm was nonsense. I used to

(35:28):
think It wasn't anything real until I actually saw somebody
producing ectoplasm and I was like, oh, that's interesting. But yeah,
the table tipping and all that is just a form
of communication.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Why would somebody take part in a seance? Is it
like a human weedja aboard?

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Oh, wija boards are a part of seance. Like when
I do a seance, I will do a two hour
session of seance. Part of it is me channeling a
little bit because people like to see that. The rest
of the seance, I'm helping people learn to tune in,
like they're learning how to use a pendulum. You'll learn
how to use a beija board. I have Wiji boards.
People sit down with it, use it right there. I'll

(36:09):
teach people how to do automatic writing. And so those
are physical tools of seance. You know, the pendulum, the wijaboard,
automatic writing. There are various different tools that you can
bring in. I think of them like toys to play
with because I like to have fun at seance. But yeah,
the seance is just a setting. I mean, the word
seance itself means sitting. It's a French word that means sitting,

(36:31):
and it's just a place where we just gather together
and say, hey, let's open up and talk and you know,
reconnect with loved ones.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
What's the weirdest thing that ever happened to you with
using a wija board?

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Using a wija board, I usually don't use them. To me,
they're slow and clunky. My wife is really good at it.
They can really fly around with her and they work
really well for me. They're slow, so I tend not
to use them. I've only use them a few times,
but I teach people how to use them, and I
see great success with some people. They just don't connect
with it. But you know, one of the weirdest things

(37:07):
I would say, and it's not that weird, but somebody
was not a German speaker at all, but they started
getting German words through the wija board, and they thought
they were just getting nonsense. But I know a little
bit of German, especially andition Deutsch, and I was able
to go, oh.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
No, this is German coming through. How interesting is that?
No difference between a spirit board and a wigia board.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Now wigiboard is just a trademark term.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Weirdest thing that ever happened to me was in twenty thirteen,
we were in a session on a spirit board, and
all communication was pushed to me through the board saying
that I was going to win the lottery in nine weeks,
and I played along. I said, oh, okay, how much?

(38:01):
And it was forty three million. I was like okay,
And I said where do I buy my ticket? And
it spelled out same place that I always did, which
was a gas station that I filled up. Okay, So
I played along, And forty three million is a weird
number in Canadian lottery because the numbers every time there

(38:25):
is a draw usually only go up by two five
or ten, two million, five million or ten million, so
it's very hard to get to the number forty three
through two five and ten. And all of a sudden,
going into the week before it was another carryover, nobody
had won. And going into nine exactly nine weeks later,

(38:49):
six weeks later, whatever it was, the lottery is forty
three million dollars. So I go that morning, I buy
the ticket, I go to I totally forget about the ticket,
totally forget about the draw. We go back to our
friend's house that night, get on the spirit board and

(39:10):
the spirits come rushing through saying they wanted to talk
with me. And they spelt out congratulations. So all of
a sudden congratulations, and my friend says, the lottery ticket
forty three million. I said, yeah, the draw was forty
three million for tonight, And so I run out to

(39:33):
my vehicle, grab my ticket, hop on the on the
app that shows the lottery winning numbers, and I didn't
have a single number. Oh no, And I tell you
I never never, And I laugh about it now, but
I was so angry at the spirits on the other

(39:56):
side of that board that I said, what is my
life a joke to you? That you think you could
just play me for that? As I did everything that
you asked me to do and then you play me
like that. I was so mad. Not a single number
and all it kept on spelling out was sorry, m

(40:17):
I still to this day do not know what that
meaning was or why they did that to me. I
think somewhere it was a spiritual, practical joke.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
That is one of the things that I love for
people to know is on the other side of life,
it is in some places a party. That doesn't mean
you have the right to get out of here because
things are difficult. That doesn't work that way. Things could
still be difficult over there, But for a lot of
people over there, and a lot of people it's a party.
It's a good time. And this is one of the

(40:48):
more difficult things I've had to work with with clients
when they're going through challenging, difficult times in their life
and it's very serious to them, and it really is,
and we really do need to take the difficult, challenging
times in our life seriously. But when we are communicating
with spirits, they exist outside of a time sense than
we do. They don't have linear three D time like

(41:10):
we do. They exist in a completely different way of time.
It's hard to explain it. And they have a very
flippant attitude about dying. They have a very flippant attitude
about the things that we achieve in this life, even
our own higher self. It's just like, yeah, cool, isn't
that right? And we're like, no, what do you mean?

(41:31):
So I kind of liken it to a roller coaster,
you know, when you're going on the roller coaster, the
car is kind of shaking, and you're going up that
really big hill and it's looking really scary. You're holding
on tight. You're starting to question the decisions you made
in your life that brought you to this place. You're like,
I don't really want to do this. But finally you
go over that crest to that hill and you're going

(41:51):
shooting all over the place. The car is shaking. You
go around those curves, wondering if you're going to fly off,
screaming for your life, going no, no, what am I doing? Meanwhile,
higher self is at the end of the ride, at
the dock, at the platform, just going yeah, this is
a lot of fun. Can we do it again? And
that's a lot of the way the spirits are over there.
It's just like, yeah, so what did you gain from that?

(42:12):
You saw that we could see forty three billion, We
saw that we could see the time going forward. But
if you won that money, are you sure that would
have been a good thing?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
So sorry, sorry.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
They do have kind of a really weird sense of
humor and a very flippant attitude about the things that
we take so seriously over here.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Oh I get you there, you know, I you know,
it's just it's a tough ruse when you're when you're like, okay,
I'll play along, I'll play along. You know, I'm not
saying give it faith because you have to be. I'm
very strict with my faith. I just don't throw my
faith around on on just anything or everybody. But that
was a tough lesson to learn in the spiritual world

(42:54):
that I was absolutely played, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
But here's the thing. Look at all of those people
who have won the lotto the water. They got the
big numbers, they got the big amount of money coming in.
Very few of them actually ended up in a very
good place. Most of the people lost that money, ended
up in worse debt, worse situations. They wish they had
never won the lottery in the first place. So maybe

(43:22):
somebody was watching out for you anyway, even though they
have a weird ass sense of humor about it.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Could be, could very much be, you know. But enough
about me. Let's get more to you because this is
about you, and we're talking about seances and communications and channeling.
Is this something that people should do? Now? I believe
everybody has the power to do it, But is this

(43:50):
something that we should be looking into.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
I really do think the answer to that is yes.
Because another one of my rules of interacting with the
pair normal is the more you interact with the paranormal
the safer it gets. And it goes right back to
that first rule that similarities attract and perpetuate. You look
at these kids on TikTok and making these videos that

(44:15):
watch each other. They grab the Ouigi board. They've seen
the horror movies about the Ouiji board. They've seen the Exorcists.
They're scared to death. They're going to have a bad
time with it, and they're going to record that bad time.
It's gonna go up. They're gonna get clicks, they're gonna
get clout for it. They're like, that's great. Somebody else
is going to see that video get scared. They're going
to look at it. They're gonna have a bad time
with it because they're perpetuating that fear. But when you

(44:37):
do seance in the proper setting, when you learn how
to set sacred space, when you learn how to set intention,
when you learn how to call in the spirits, you're
going to have a whole much better time. It's going
to make for a boring TikTok video, it's going to
make for a boring movie or a TV show, but
it's going to go so much better. And the more
you do that, the more you engage with seance. The

(44:59):
more that you're connecting with those spirits at that level,
the more you realize like, oh, this is just a
natural part. This is what it means to be a
living being. This is when the body's gone. This is
what it's life is like over there? What's so scary
about it? And then you start to see it in
the world around you. It's everywhere, and it's just like, oh,
and now you're not afraid of it anymore. Now you

(45:20):
see those kids having a bad time with the Ouija
board on TikTok, and you're like, guys, come on, get
your act together.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
It's not like that at all.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
You hear the pulpit pounder screaming devil, Devil, devil, devil,
and you're like, guys, now, come on, we're having too
much fun with us. We're playing with these things. So
I do say, yes, engage with seance, learn how to
do it properly. Get away from the fear based narratives
that are out there, Get away from the clicks and
the cloud seekers that are just doing this to scare you,

(45:47):
because that's not really what it's like.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
When I first heard the term channeling, I thought it
was taking a remote control and changing the channel. I
didn't know it was allowing a spirit into your body
and allowing it to use you as it's communication device.
As fun as it is, it can be dangerous, you know,

(46:12):
especially if you can't get the spirit out of your body,
which thankfully has not happened to me. But talk about
channeling a little bit and the reason why we do it.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Absolutely and it comes in many, many different forms. The
most common form of channeling people don't even realize it is.
They just get like a sudden hair brained idea. They
just get the sudden, hey, let's go do this, or oh,
I'm curious about this. You know, you're driving your car,
you're taking the same exact breath that you always take
to go to the store, but now you're suddenly going, no,

(46:44):
I think I should turn early instead. I don't know why.
That's a form of channeling. It's that subtle, it's that simple,
and most people just blow it off as like, Okay,
that's a good idea. I don't know where that came from.
That's channeling. Channeling can even come in the form of
automatic writing, where you're cooperating with the spirit. Leijiboard, they're
helping to move your hand. It's just a little bit

(47:05):
of that. The real deep channelers are like trance channelers,
where they go into a deep state of meditation. They
set their identity aside, they set themselves aside, and the
spirit comes through. Now, this is also a very beautiful
practice for some spiritual traditions, you know, like Voudown. It's
very beautiful where they're dancing with the spirits, they're connecting

(47:27):
with the spirits, and in truth, I know it's a
big fear. What if the spirit doesn't want to leave,
What if it doesn't want to go? The chances of
that happening are so remote because if you're in that
proper set and setting, you're bringing in a certain spirit
with intention you know about that spirit. You are automatically
setting a boundary. This is the time frame, this is

(47:48):
the communication. That's it done.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
We're over.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
And they respect that, they really do respect that that
the spirits that come in to do that channeling they leave.
They're just there for that little brief moment of of
co creative experience and then they're gone. It's I would
say it's a lot safer than a lot of people
realize because it just doesn't happen that they don't want

(48:11):
to go.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Should we do it? Should we practice it? Oh?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, absolutely, And it's really just a matter of listening
to that quiet space in your mind, just learning how
to you know, when we have a thought come up,
it's going to come up, just acknowledge it, let it pass.
A feeling comes up, acknowledge it, let it pass, and
listen to that subtle whisper that's there. It's not necessarily
going to be in words. It's not going to necessarily

(48:37):
be a linear conversation like you and I are having.
But it may just be a concept, an idea, some
knowledge that you suddenly know out of nowhere. Absolutely, the
more you do that, the better connected that you get
and you realize like, yeah, this is this is it.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
You see.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
One of the things that the whispers my guides have
taught me over the years is for most people, ninety
percent of their thoughts or feelings are not even theirs.
It's from the spirits around them. It's from parasitic entities,
it's from the energy wells. Everything is energy, everywhere is energy.
It comes through these things. And the more that you
start to learn to tune into that silence, the more

(49:17):
that you start to be aware of like, oh this
isn't my thought, Oh this isn't my feeling, you start
to reclaim your own mind, your own inner world, and
that number really shifts dramatically from ninety percent not your
own to a vast majority of it will never be
one hundred percent, and you don't want to be one
hundred percent. But people are channeling all the time, whether
they realize it or not. And so the more that

(49:38):
you actively, consciously, wilfully engage in it, the more you
are actually taking back your own consciousness, your own mind,
your own energy, so that you have that firm control
over it.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
What if you're doing it on a ruse, because a
lot of people who are going into this don't know
how to control. They don't know how now to understand
or play with spirits or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
I'm curious going in on a ruse, would you mean, well.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
A ruse into the fact that you know they're going
to be, you know, especially with younger kids where they're
and I say teenagers here who will be kind of like,
I don't want to say, use it making a mockery
of it all, but using it as more of a
game than as a spiritual guideline.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Oh that's a good question, because up until the Exorcist,
Luigi Board was nothing more than a game. People would
show up at the bars, pubs, they would go to
each other's houses and break out the spirit board and
just play with it and have fun with it. And
I would say, if you're going to treat it like
a game, if it's like a toy and you're gonna
have fun with it, and you're gonna play with it,

(50:48):
you're gonna have a good time with it. And I
would say definitely treat it like a toy. Treat it
like a game, and play with it, because that's setting
up that good, positive, powerful, wonderful energy that you just
to connect with something similar to that energy. But if
you're going to follow what you're seeing in the Exorcist
or you're going to see in you know, the horror shows,
then you're gonna have a scary, bad time with it.

(51:11):
So I would definitely say play with it, treat it
like a toy and have fun, because that's how it
was used for a lot longer than what we're using
it for now, and people being afraid of it.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Three minutes ago before we have to go to break
at the top of the hour. Kater Golsen is our
guest tonight on Spaced Out Radio. Is there a type
of communication with spirit that we should be weary of?

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yeah, if you're ever in a fearful state, if you
feel something fearful, if you feel something not right, or
if something says their consequences, you've got to do this now.
You have to do this now. If you don't, these
things laugh and those things lappen urgency. If they have
that sense of urgency, don't communicate with it it. Trust
your feelings, trust your emotions. If it doesn't feel right,
don't do it.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
What about people who use it, like said, as a game,
but they're wanting to talk to b Alzibub himself, the
devil himself or some sort of demonic heathen.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yeah, those are the people watching those crazy videos and
TV shows, and stay away from that.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Don't do that. That's just that, it's just weird, Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
But how do you then tell the difference between trying
to channel the spirit of your grandma or your favorite
aunt or uncle or maybe your mom, dad or whoever,
and not knowing whether or not it's a trickster spirit
on the other end, how do you know the difference.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
The thing that I would recommend you do is laugh,
have a genuine, honest laugh, because laughter is an energy.
It puts out Every emotion you feel is an energy.
It puts it out there. And if it is something negative,
if it's something tricksy, if it's something that's not good,
that laughter energy will repel it. It'll go away. It
doesn't want that from you. It wants the fear. It

(53:02):
wants to control. And if you're laughing and having a
good time with it and it's grandma, she's going to
come in and laugh and have a good time with you.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
I never thought about it that way. I really didn't.
What do you prefer more the channeling aspect through your
maybe your own telepathy, or do you prefer using a
tool like a spirit board or tarot cards or pendulums.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
For me, it's that clear cognizance. It's just kind of
like that telepathic connection. It's nonlinear, and we need to
sometimes learn to put the training wheels on them, use
the tarot cards, use the pendulums, use the Wii board
to get to that place. Because when people are using
the Ouiji board of the pendulum. They'll start to realize
they're getting the answer before the plant chatter, before the

(53:50):
pendulum does, and then they start to tune into that
more and they're like, oh, this is what it's like really,
So yeah, internal.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
First, I love it. I love it, and I think
that you have to get a real taste for what
works for you because there are certain things that will
not work. It's like, you know, a deck of tarot cards.
You know, I could go to a store look at
tarot cards and ninety nine percent of the decks are like, Nope,

(54:18):
that's not for me, that's not for me. But then
that one just keeps standing out, and it's like talking
to you through the box and you're like, oh, maybe
we'll just dabble in this a little bit, you know,
And that's just the way it goes. Kendrick, I'm gonna
get you to hold on right there. It's hard to
believe he already through one hour here on spaced Out Radio.

(54:39):
Our guest tonight, kdrik Olsen his website Kdrick K.

Speaker 8 (54:43):
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Kdrick dot com. Make sure you check it on out.
Our two is decks.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
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Speaker 1 (55:13):
All Right, Kadrick, we got about five and a half minutes.
I'm gonna put you back in the green room and
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this is awesome, brother, awesome, love it too. All right, Undead,
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Speaker 9 (59:49):
Even if you do drink more.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Sh all right, I am back. We got just over
a minute to go here. Let's bring Katerick back in
and let's see. Did I miss anybody here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
I am not using a weija board tonight. I did
not say that I don't own one. I don't own one.
That's Merle. Maybe Merle and I should do that one
night on the show. What the hell let's go for
it could be lots of fun, lots of great questions

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Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
You're very welcome, glad to be here. This is great stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Dark forces, this is something that intrigues everybody but scares
the daylights out of everyone as well. What are dark forces?

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
They are the not so nice side of the paranormal.
Let's put it that way. They are the shadow energies,
the negative energies, the entities that feed off of them
and influence us to feel those ways. And sometimes they
could even be people or other kind of entities that
have been kind of distorted by all of that. They're

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a very real part of the human experience as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
How do we know when we're around them you feel uncomfortable?

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
A very very common thing is you're by yourself, you're alone,
there's that creepy, spooky feeling that comes over you that
you just can't explain that where's it coming from? These
are what I call thought forms. Other people call them
thought forms too, but they're thought forms which are just
little bundles of energy programmed with let's say, fear energy,

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A simple program of scare me, and you'll just suddenly
feel that fear out of nowhere for no reason whatsoever,
because that fear is also an energy, an energy that
you're putting out, and this thing is getting you to
feel that fear, so we could feed and live basically
on its terms because it's getting that energy from you.

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That's one of the most common ways. It's just that
weird feeling that you just can't explain that comes out
of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
I think we've all felt that way before, but we
kind of pass it off as just oh, there's something
you know something about. It gives me the he begbis internally.
Wouldn't that be your own spiritual self giving you a forewarning?

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Sometimes exactly yep. Sometimes that's exactly it. You know, like
when you're talking to that person that you've never met before,
maybe you have met them, and you're feeling that pit
in your stomach growing, or you're feeling like a cramp
in your stomach. You're feeling like, oh no, that's definitely
your intuition saying watch out, be careful. So that is
absolutely an aspect of it. And I tell people that

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the primary form of spirit communication is emotion, but we
can also override that with our own emotion. You know,
maybe it's Grandma coming by to say hi, and you're
getting that creep out feeling because your vibes are tingling
like ooh, there's a spirit in the room, but you're
going into the fear base yourself. So it gets a
little tricky that level of discernment. Is it me generating

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this or is it something causing me to feel this?

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
How do we as layman know the difference? Test it?

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
You just really you can't. It takes some practice, it
takes some experience. But like I was saying earlier, something
comes up. Have a good laugh at it. So let's
say you're home alone, whatever, it's three o'clock in the morning,
you get that creep out feeling, you get freaked out
by it. You don't know where it's coming from. Have
a good laugh, a genuine laugh, you know, your eyes creakle.

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And if you have to fake laugh to real laugh,
do it. You know, find some video or something funny
that make you laugh. And if this thing persists, laugh
even more because you need to push this thing away.
If it's a negative empathy. But if it's just you
and you're laughing and have a good time, and you
still get that vibe and there's still something there you

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misinterpreted it, it's a good time to connect and say, hey,
who are you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Why are you here? What's up? A lot of times
over the years of doing this show and talking to
people outside of it, there are always those people out
there who've said to me, Dave, I keep feeling like
I got this big black cloud over top of me,
that nothing ever goes right, that I can get to
the door of success, I can open the door. I've

(01:06:50):
been invited in the door. The minute I go step
in that door, the door slams in my face. What
am I doing to cause that? Why is this keep
happening to me? You know, there's a lot of people
out there where every day is a dark day.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
My friend, absolutely, this is why shadow work is so important,
because a good possibility of that that's not the entirety
of possibility, but a good possibility of that moment of
potential success from through the door we let's go. Everything
falls apart. Is there something inside self sabotaging? There's something

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inside saying I'm not worthy of this, I don't deserve it,
I'm not the right person to get it. Mom and
dad said I would never amount to anything, and they're right. Look,
I'm just proving them right. So they're bringing that down
on themselves. And again, shadow is an energy, Every emotion
is an energy, and we're putting that shadow energy out
in the world around us. We don't think that we're worthy,

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we don't think we're capable. We don't see what's the
point it is. I can't be the one doing it,
and that energy goes out and it starts drawing people
in situations and circumstances to us literally manifesting it from
our own shadow energy. But when we do that shadow work,
we go inside and we're like, well, where is this
coming from? Where is this self sabotage?

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Happening. Why is it there?

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
And we really understand it, We understand the origin of it,
and we have to remember that shadow is there in
the first place because it helped us at one point
in our life. It was actually something beneficial to us.
That's why we agree to have it, that's why we
created it. But now it's getting in the way. And
when we go and find out what that shadow's real
purpose is, we can undistort it, realign it back to

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what its original purpose is. You know, maybe it's protect me,
maybe it's make sure I'm living the right life. Maybe
it's making sure I'm a good person. And we undistort that,
we bring it back in and now you get to
that door. Why you get to that threshold, you step
through and it's like, oh, yeah, this is where it's been.
This is why I've been missing it. Because we're doing
it for ourselves. We are a powerful manifestor even for

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the negative things in our life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Do we even know that we're manifesting.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
No, it goes right back to that thing where we've
been shut down by our societies and our culture. We're
taught that this is just you know, crap happens. Wellth
crap does happen. You know, things can happen all the time,
but most people don't even know that they have that control.
They just think this is life. Sucks.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
You're born, you pay taxes, you die, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
It doesn't have to be that way. I learned a
long time ago after not listening to that little voice
inside my soul. I call it the soul voice that
you know. I almost got killed one day, okay, And
I think we've all had that near death experience where

(01:09:42):
it's like, holy cow, another inch either way and I'm
a dead person, right, And that happened to me one
day on my ATV. And the whole time I was
going up there to ride, I kept hearing that little
voice inside of me, Today's not a good day to ride.
Turn around, go home. Today is not a good day

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to ride. And I just you know, we'd come through
a long winter and I was like, man, I just
want to get outside and ride my ATV. In like
ten minutes into our ride, I had this really bad accident.
I was not hurt. My ATV was destroyed rolling down
a hill about two hundred and fifty feet okay, And

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it was it was scary, It was very scary, but
it made me look at things a lot differently. And
I'm sure other people will understand where this is leading
when I say this. All of a sudden, it started
making me realize little things like I would drive my
daughter to school and all of a sudden, she would say, Dad,

(01:10:46):
I forgot my lunch. Can we go back? You go
back and get that lunch. What did that save you from?
Did it save you from an accident? Did it save
you from something else?

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I started trying to look at the other side of why,
all of a sudden, these things that absolutely set us
off zero to sixty in a split second, all of
a sudden, trying to look at them the other way,
stating maybe there was a reason why that happened. Do
we pay attention to that enough? We need to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
This is why people say all the time, I've never
had a paranormal experience.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
I wish I could.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
I'd never had one of my entire life, because I
expect a paranormal experience to be a book flying across
the room, somebody pounding on the wall. That is, somebodied
voice yelling get out something floating. They expected to be
that A very real paranormal experience I had very similar
to yours. I was driving late at night one time,
came to a red light. I came to a stop.

(01:11:47):
I watched the light turn green. I'm still sitting there
watching the light green. I'm like, why am I sitting
here to green light? Why am I not going? And
I'm still sitting there going why am I not going? Meanwhile,
a car blazes through the intersection. That just creamed and told.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
With my car.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
That's what most paranormal experiences are like. They're that subtle,
that little voice that says, no, today's not a good
day to go writing on my ATV. Now, why you
just sit here, don't go in that green light. It's
that subtle, and the more that we start paying attention
to that going, Oh great, I'm glad. I went back
for my kid's lunch. Oh great, I'm glad I did this.
You know, even today it happened. I knew you were

(01:12:24):
going to give me a call, and I put my
phone on. I thought I turned it up so I
could hear the ringer. It didn't happen, and I'm like,
I got this nagging feeling I'd better check my phone
what's going on? As soon as I picked up my phone.
I saw it was ringing, but it wasn't buzzing or
making any sound. But that moment that somebody said, hey,
pick up your phone, look at it. Those are paranormal experiences.

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That's what they're really like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
So it's not all about ghost schools and goblins. It's
about just living reality. Exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
If we were to make a movie or a TV
show about real paranormal experiences, nobody would ever want. They're boring.
Many of us don't look at it that way, exactly.
That's the training that we have in our culture and
our society. Most people their experience with the paranormal is
what they saw on a Paranormal Investigator TV show, what

(01:13:17):
they've seen in a horror moviere what a pulpit pounder
has screamed at them is evil, and they expect a
paranormal experience to look like that, and they're blocking out
everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
So where do the spirits and ghosts come into play?
They're around us all the time, everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
We just have to tune in. We just have to
be aware of it. They're just here, just like we are.
Where are they That's a great question. Where the best
way for me to answer that, and I promise I'm
not being cynical when I say this is where are you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Where am I?

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Because we are also spiritual beings. You know, we have
this new ag saying that's out there that we are
spiritual being having a physical experience.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
It's not true.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
We are spiritual and physical beings having a dynamic experience.
So you are a spirit you are right now. So
there's one right here, right now. But the spirit world,
I don't know how to describe it. It is much
more vast than our physical world. It extends. I don't
know how to explain it. It's like another reality. It

(01:14:25):
goes out way further than what's here. But it is
also here. You know, there's spirits in the room around
us all the time. There's energy with us all the time,
so they're everywhere. Everywhere, there's like air to breathe, They're
there everywhere we are. It. It literally is a completely
natural part of our world.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Are ghosts and spirits real or are we intercepting them
in a collision of different dimensions? Great question.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
That means they're still real, we're intercepting them. Yes, I
want to answer that in a couple of different ways.
Is just as we are a spirit they're all around us.
They're very real and they do exist. I like the
word density. Density is another word that we can use.
Like the third density is our physical world, it's not

(01:15:19):
so easily quantifiable. Fourth density is kind of like the
etheric playground, like a sandbox that we create things in,
like thought forms. Fifth density and higher kind of more
like the spiritual realms. But don't think of them as
quantified realities. And we are already connected with them. It's
just multidimensionals the right word for that, because we're not

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just moving in three dimensions, we're moving in another dimensions,
so we can access these layers of density.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
We can move like that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
But I do think that there are also intersecting realities
with our own. For example, shadow people. I grew up
in a neighborhood full of shadow people. Even people who
didn't like I had friends that would show up, did
not believe in the spirit world. They're like, every time
I come to your house, out of the corner of
my eye, I swear I see somebody standing on the
sidewalk around walking through the street. But then I go

(01:16:10):
to look at them, they're gone. But it was more
like a shadow of a person than an actual person.
I am not fully convinced that those are spirits or people.
I think that is a cross dimensional thing. I don't
know that they're humans in a parallel universe or not,
but they might be their own being that exists in
a different type of reality that partially intersects with our own,

(01:16:35):
and that we occasionally get glimpses of each other, and
they get glimpses of us, and I think they're just
as curious about us as we are of them. And
they're probably somebody in the spirit person dimension going, hey,
you know, I saw these people.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
They're talking about it on the radio show over there too.
How often do you think we as humans are actually
running into that it would be fully manifested. Like I'm
walking down the street and here comes Kadrik the angel
walking by me or saying hello to me, or whatever

(01:17:10):
it may be. How often do you think that happens.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
I don't think it happens that often. It is rare,
but it happens. You know, people will see full body apparitions.
There are quite a few times I've seen apparitions and
they still kind of startle me, you know, when I'm
just hanging out in the room, or if I'm doing
some spiritual work and I'll see an apparition go I'm like, well,
they're still a bit startling to me. It happens, but

(01:17:35):
I don't think it's that often. It takes a lot
of energy or a lot of us tuning in into
that deeper level and it happens, but not that often.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Do you think when those let's say, I'm going to
use the term angels here because I'm not a big
demon guy. Do you think if we're walking down the
sidewalk and all of a sudden, you get that what
looks to be a regular person stopping by, but you
pick up on their energy and you're like, that person
is just different. That person is there's something about that person.

(01:18:09):
Do you ever figure that maybe that they were there
just to hold you for that brief second.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
That's a fair question.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
I've never thought about that before, but yeah, I think
people will have encounters with people like that just for
that moment. Oh this is going to sound weird, but
a little bit of a pope came in. It's not
less not so much as holding you there for some reason,
but it's more about being in their presence so because

(01:18:41):
these higher level beings have this high energy around them,
and that when you are in their presence, it does
a little bit of healing, It does a little bit
of clearing, it does a little bit of raising up
your vibe. And so whoever popped in for a second said,
when we do that, it's more to kind of bump
up your energy, that through some cleansing your energy. So
it's more of an energetic presence than anything.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
That energetic presence is it just a natural recognition of
when it happens. M that's a good question. That energetic grip.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
I think it's undeniable when you come face to face
with something like that. I don't think you can deny it.
It's just it's awe inspiring. It It's just like, oh, oh,
you know, a great place to actually kind of sort
of experience that. If you ever get a chance to
go to Las Vegas and just hang out on the
strip and people watch, you'll notice some people that are

(01:19:40):
just kind of out of place, that just don't look
the same. They're almost passable, you know, ninety five percent human,
but the way they carry themselves, the way they look
something is just a little bit off and there'll be
like a group of them, two or three or more
that all look different in the same way. But you
get that vibe, you get that energetic presence about it,

(01:20:03):
and you'll miss it if you're following the normal hustle
and bustle of Las Vegas traffic and Las Vegas foot
traffic and you get caught up in all the lights.
But if you take that moment to pause and really
look around, you'll spot it because they're there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
I do it every year, my man, nice, every year,
and we'll be doing it again. We got four minutes
to go before we got to go to break. Let's
start off with a question from creepy pasta here, how
can I start working on my own abilities as far
as using them and strengthening them.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Starting to recognize it those moments where you got an
insight that you didn't know how you could have gotten
that insight, a bit of moment of that clarity, that
nudge in a direction to do something, Recognize it, acknowledge it,
act on it, and it will start happening more. It's
that believing scene dynamic. Also finding that quiet place in
your own mind, listening to that quietness. I know it

(01:20:57):
can be difficult with much noise. As we got go
in our head, the many thoughts and the motions of
pop up. But if the more you can get to
that central place, the more you start to be more
aware of it, and I'll start building up. Plus, one
of the best ways to start working in strengthening your
abilities is go to seance. Just being in that environment,
being in that kind of a room will open your

(01:21:19):
senses up, and they'll be more open for a day
or two after you do seans and just continue to
acknowledge that as it keeps popping up. So there are
a lot of different ways you can take. Courses, you
can take, classes, you can take there are techniques to
develop your psychic abilities and keep using them. Absolutely, but
the more you do it, the more you have of it.

(01:21:41):
I love that answer. Great answer. Kadri Golson is our
guest tonight on spaced Out Radio. Let's go to polly
Over in Israel. How do you understand the shadow people?
Are they ghosts, people from the future aliens? I love
that question because my answer is I don't know. I've
been around them for my whole life. I've seen them around,

(01:22:03):
I've tried to communicate with them, but they don't communicate
in a way that we can understand each other. I
honestly don't know what they are, but I wish I
had a better understanding of it. They don't seem elevolent
or harmful. They just seem more curious or apathetic, just
like people would be. I don't know, I wish I did.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
A lot of people call them the watchers because that's
what they're doing. They're just watching. That's a good point
that might be exactly it. See if we can sneak
in a couple more here, let's go to fifty six Belaire.
Have you ever had to deal with a hitchhiker effect.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
It's a new term for me. Hitchhiker effect. I'm not
sure what that is. That's like a spirit attachment. Yes, yes, absolutely.
I've worked with clients all the time to work with
spirit release and letting go of spiritual attachment. It happens
as part of natural part of our existence, and as
part of the work we have to do to help

(01:22:59):
get rid of that so that they're not influing God,
influencing us in unwonted ways.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
What's the worst case of attachment You've had?

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
Almost destroyed a family, the guy was constantly fighting, arguing
with his wife. There was absolutely no romance. It was
just tearing his life all apart. And it came from
a spirit that was attached to him that had a
difficult time with family, that had a difficult time growing up,
that bore a lot of resentment, and that spirit attached

(01:23:30):
to him and is like, well, I'm not going to
let this family stand, and so it almost completely destroyed
that family. We got that spirit cleared, we sent it
back and the guy and his family, they were able
to recreate those bonds. They were to heal together again
once we got rid of that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Was it a possession?

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
That's a term that some people use for it. Sure,
we can use that term, but it tends to have
the misnomers because of the movies. I'd rather say attachment
and influence rather than possession because there's some weird connotations
that come to that where that work from the movies,
but it's valid.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
We're going to get to more audience questions after the
break here. As Kdrick Ohl said, we have them until
the top of the hour on spaced out Radio his
website Kadrick dot com. Make sure you check it on
out this is spaced Out Radio, and I'm going to
tell you we have a lot of really good questions

(01:24:29):
from our audience coming up. I'm reading some of these
and I'm like, man, how did I not think of
that one? You know, as a host, the best part
is when you don't take callers, but you take questions
from a live audience on a place like YouTube or
social media. It's easy to get those questions better and
they're great. We'll bring them back right after this.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
You're listening to Space Down Medium with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
All right, my man, all right, that's good stuff. This
has been fantastic. I'm going to tell you right now,
anytime you want to come on this show, you let
me know you bet. I hope we're doing you justice here.
I'm enjoying this so absolutely. I will definitely take you
up on that. Thank you, Wolfgang Storm Writer, Welcome to

(01:25:39):
Zoar Chat. Who else is here? Let's see Last year
I had the pleasure of having to deal with the
first ever possession that I saw. Oh yeah, how did

(01:26:02):
that go? It was interesting in it It was weird
because I used to do a ghost tour at our
local museum and I took our people into the room,
and I looked at the room, but I had my

(01:26:23):
Usually I could pick up on things, but I had
my back to this one area where while I was saying, okay,
people go this way, but I had my back to
that area. And then I turned and he snuck right
around me to possess this lady m and watching her

(01:26:43):
face morph into somebody different and her voice change and
her body cringe up with her fingers all like this
and everything. I remember when I started, I'm like, okay,
let's like her name was Jamie. I'm like, I need
to speak with Jamie here. And then Jamie would come forward,

(01:27:05):
and then immediately she would like scrunch her face up
and look back down and she wouldn't look at me.
And it got to the point where right before she
started dragging me across the floor, which was pretty awesome.
I actually got a little scared because I had never

(01:27:27):
dealt with it before, a possession like that. Before. I've
dealt with spirits, but I've never dealt with like a
full on possession, and I was kind of like, Okay,
how do I do this? Like do we need to
call a priest? Do we need to call somebody? Well,
if we call a priest, that's probably going to be
the end of the ghost tour forever. And all of

(01:27:49):
a sudden, I had this power of strength in me.
It's just like, okay, you're going to do this. You
know how to do this, and you're not going to
take shit from this ghost. And that's what I did,
right and like we were, I was. I had a
friend of mine rubbing a blessed cross on her back

(01:28:12):
and everything, and finally what I was able to do
And a lot of people won't agree with this, but
it works for me because I know people who could
clear me. Was. I took him inside of me to
get it out of her, and then it was like, okay,
I got this guy and I walked away. I was

(01:28:33):
feeling great, and all of a sudden, I'm like, oh,
he's in me. He is totally in me, and it
was like, I don't feel good, and so I had
to get some people to work on me to get
it cleared. But it was a cool experience to watch, though, man.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
And that's one of your most powerful tools. And this
is what I teach like a paranormal investigator safety course,
and what I teach them is that sense of awe
and wonder is one of your most powerful tools of like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Oh wow, look you did that. How cool is that? Yeah?
Do it some more.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
That's really great because that moves you into that higher
state of being, that higher energy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
And I just don't like that. They go away. They're like,
I'm not going to do that again. Yeah, Les, I
can film any time at the museum. I just try
not to take advantage of it. But we're working on
some things privately for my business. So stay tuned, Stay tuned.

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You're very welcome. Thank you for having me. This is
a great time. I love this, love this conversations we're having. Well,
let's get to more audience questions. Okay, let's fright, Polly,

(01:31:51):
what do you never do while dealing with dark forces?

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
Get scared because that's what they want. They want scared,
they want control, They want you to be angry, they
want all of those negative emotions because it's what feeds them.
It's what perpetuates their existence. And if you can have
a good time, if you can laugh, genuinely laugh, have
fun with it, if you can move to a sense
of on wonder. I was just mentioning this that I've

(01:32:18):
got a course for paranormal investigators, like a safety training course.
And let's say they're in a place where they start
to see an apparition form. It's this black energy, it's
very dark energy. It's giving them like the creep out feeling.
I tell them, they go, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
That is so cool, that is awesome. Can you do
that so more? Can you get bigger? Or something goes flying?

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Like, yeah, do that again, because you're moving into that
sense of on wonder, which is a higher state of energy,
a higher level of vibration. I don't really like that
word vibration, but I don't know what else word to use.
And you're moving into that higher state, and it's going
to push that thing away. It's going to create like
a barrier protecting you. So never do is get scared.

(01:33:00):
What I do recommend is laugh, have a good time
with it, play with it, because it will push those
things away, it'll repel them. It's literally poison to them.
I love that answer. All right, let's go to in
the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Would you believe shadow people could be watching us ourselves
on a TV screen looking at our past history or
mistakes because something happened to me a few times and
I heard something call me.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
You know, I'm not sure that it would be shadow
people doing that, but it would be guides, it would
be teachers, higher being. And I like that You're using
that kind of an analogy, like a TV screen, past, present, future.
They have access to all of that because they don't
exist in linear time like we do in the physical world.
Like I said, I wouldn't say it's shadow people, but
I will say it's more of the higher level entities

(01:33:48):
that are there and aware of it. Shadow people. I
still don't know what they are, but it could be possible.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
That they're doing that. I just don't know. Let's move
on to another question here. Let's go next too the unknown.
How do you know the difference between your own imagination
and an actual spirit communication?

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Great question that comes up a lot as I'm teaching
people how to become more aware and to connect and
to know that connection. And it is a very tricky
thing because they are very similar. The reason being is
our cognition, our neocortex, and our prefeilt. The cortex are
so used to running the show all of the time,

(01:34:34):
and it wants information linear, it wants it logical. It
has to be reasonable. One plus one always has to
equal to You've got to have an answer for this,
and we're so used to being in our head that
we're ignoring our intuition. Our intuition tends to come in
through the gut, the visceral nervous system, and it is
very abstract, it's very nonlinear. You'll get concepts without context.

(01:34:58):
And how do we make sense out of that? Well,
when the neocortex intercepts that information, it immediately goes black.
It's nonsense. It's not there. And it has to pass
through the reticular activating system in the back of the brain,
which is kind of like a valve. Do I have
a pattern? Am I familiar with this?

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
Nope?

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Put in the subconscious ignore it. Oh, I do have
a pattern. I am familiar with it. Let it into
the conscious. And in order for that to happen, it's
got to pass through what I call the interpretation filter
that's already built with patterns things that you're already familiar with,
and so you're receiving this intuitive information in it has
to pass through the interpretation filter, and it very much

(01:35:38):
feels like imagination. It very much feels like you're talking
to yourself. And sometimes we do make it up. Sometimes
we are starting to imagine it and we're going with it.
But as you practice, as you keep communicating more, you'll
start to notice what it feels like when you receive
intuitive information. It feels different. Maybe it comes into a
different part of the brain, Maybe you feel it in
the gut. Maybe there's a different way that that information

(01:36:01):
feels and you learn that discernment. You start to discern, oh, no,
this is me imagining things, This is me making stuff up. No,
this is me interpreting intuitive information. It takes some practice,
it takes some skill, but the more you do it,
the better at it you get. It's not instant because
it will seem like you're talking to yourself for just
making stuff up at first, until you start to learn

(01:36:24):
to discern how that information's coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Moving on, let's go to another question. Let's go to
Joe here. How do we know if dark forces are
controlling a person that's driving on the freeway next to us.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
You don't You don't even know if dark forces are
controlling the person walking next to you or whatnot. There's
just no way to know at that level, even for me,
you know, I just don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
You really can't control it because it's not your destiny
to control it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
Right, And it's it's so much around us one way
or another that how do you know when you go
to the park there isn't going to be somebody just
walks up to you and does something like smacksy or
yells at you or says something awful.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
It could happen. It's just part of being alive. HM
t Bone is asking where do the aliens fit?

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
In h fair question? That could be a lot of
different ways. Maybe some of these spiritual beings are of
extraterrestrial origin, Maybe they never had a physical body. You see,
when I sit with clients, I will bring in my guides,
the whispers, and I will ask for their guides to

(01:37:46):
be present. And I started noticing blue people showing up
quite a bit with people. Their guides would show up
and there would be a tall blue person there, and
I'm like, what's going on? It's happening so many times.
Turns out that was like an ex terrestrial coming in.
One of their guides was et, and then I started
noticing that in their bodies too, and I'm like, going, okay,

(01:38:08):
and if if we follow what a lot of the
experience have told us, these beings are a more advanced
spiritual level anyway, so they're already communicating, they already know that.
We're coexisting with these spiritual beings all the time. You know,
I think they're just if they're a physical being, they're
just like us, not necessarily just like us, but they

(01:38:31):
are spiritual beings as well, and I think I think
that they would be more spiritually advanced, more spiritually connected,
and they are part of all of that. Some of
that's conjecture, you know, I have to put it that
I haven't had that I know of face to face
interaction with an extraterrestrial being. But spiritual communication, spiritual contact absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Is that your personal opinion and what guides have told you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
That's personal opinion, what guys have told me, what I've
seen coming up working with clients, So some of its
direct experience. Some of it is me trying to understand
it and putting conjecture to it. It's an amalgam of
all of it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Carrie is asking, what is your opinion then on Heaven
or Hell? Fair question.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
I've actually seen Hell, have been to Hell, oh but
not from.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
Hold on, whoa, whoa whoa time out here. You got
to tell us this story, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
You know, like Emmanuel Swedenburg great, he wrote some really
great books. He had an angel, what we would call
a spirit guy today, take him on different adventures into
the afterlife and showed them different places in the after world.
I had the same kind of experience. My guys will
take me to different places. There's schools there, there are
different realms, are different places, you know. I had a

(01:39:52):
lady that needed a spirit cleared out of her home,
and it turned out he was a biker. So we
opened a portal to like a biker room full of
people fighting and arguing in having a raucous time. When
she's like, that sounds like Hell, and I'm like, well,
for you that would be, but for him, that's heaven
because he's looking for a place like that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
But the place that they took me.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
To, it was just a bunch of people standing around
like dead, looking their ether. They're just like spaced out
and they're kind of tethered in place so that they
don't wander off, they don't get lost, and there are
other people around them kind of watching them, taking care
of them. And I asked my guide, what is this place?
What's going on? And he said, this is hell? And

(01:40:31):
what's happening is these people believed while they were alive
that they were bad people, that they were sinners, that
whatever reason, that when they died, they deserve to go
to a place a torment and torture. So they're creating
that for themselves, and these people that are around them
watching them wait for a little glimmer, wait for a
little bit of a wake up where they start wondering

(01:40:53):
does it always.

Speaker 5 (01:40:54):
Have to be like that?

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
And they're's like, no, doesn't. What else could it be?
And then they sink back in. But when they keep
popping up there, when they ask those questions what else is?
They're like, yeah, do you want to find out? I
can help you? And so these people are eventually brought
out of their own own personal hell and go through
the healing process, go through the awakening process, the whole

(01:41:14):
afterlife transition process, where before they were resisting it because
they full unbelieve when they get to the other side
that it's flat out hell and that that's what they
deserve and that's all they get. But they create it
for themselves. The heaven part is everywhere. Now to better
answer this question, there is a great Oh. I can't

(01:41:36):
say it exactly, but basically, we create it here on
our world. Sometimes our world is hell, sometimes it's a heaven,
and it really just comes down to how we see it,
how we interpret it. It's no different on the other side.
If you think it's going to be a place of
torment and horror, you'll create it for yourself. If you
think it's this place of wonder and beauty and delight,
which the vast majority of people do, they're having a

(01:41:57):
great time over there.

Speaker 5 (01:42:01):
I love that, love it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Jules is asking, what are your thought form or what
do you what? Our thought form?

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
Larva Tulpa's our thought forms Larva Tulpa is they can
be because we are all creating thought forms, whether we
realize it or not. Whenever we have like a persistent
emotional state, we're putting out that energy. We're creating thought forms,
and they're going to influence us to think that way.
And if we focus so much on that, let's say
it's anger. We're focusing so much anger, anger, anger, anger,

(01:42:33):
and we it can take on a form of its own.
It can get creative because we're programming it, we're giving
it that energy, we're giving it those thoughts. It can
get creative, and it becomes almost a sovereign entity of itself,
which is what a tulpa is. It's a sovereign entity
that we created, and it tends to have a life
purpose because we gave it a life purpose. So we

(01:42:56):
can evolve a thought form into a tulpa, and it
is for multiple thoughtforms to come together, to conglomerate and
share their thought, share their ideas together and get more
complex of a mind, get more complex of a being,
and it could move into a tulpa state. So yeah,
thoughtforms can absolutely become like a Larva tool.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
But it's a good question. It's a very good question.
All right, let's continue on here, Let's go to Warden Dragon.
I have a question, Shadows of ten. I know I
am not alone, and I see dark always till four
months back, I saw a white orb twenty five cent

(01:43:39):
piece size come through the wall and over my shoulder,
it flew up over it. What do you think this is?

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
Orbs beings like that all the time. Sometimes when I
go outside, they're just like zipping all over the place.
They could be thought forms, they could be energy beings.
You know, they are very interesting videos of people who
have died and there's like an orb coming out of
their body. It definitely sounds like some sort of a
spiritual being, but they come in all sorts of flavors

(01:44:10):
and shapes and sizes. Now, if it's white, you know,
white tends to be something that we interpret at that
level of the spiritual that it's a higher level being,
that it's a very spiritual present. And it's like those
really dark forms that not always. I don't have to
be careful there not always are dark forms malevolent or negative.
Sometimes they're not. They just they come from a different

(01:44:32):
form of reality than we're used to. But pay attention
to the color. Like if it's a white orb, yeah
you're a good company.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
What are the blue orbs?

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Blue tends to be more mental, more thought, you know,
like soda light, there's blue. It tends to be more
of that mental thought communication level. So they may be
something there to help facilitate communication, give you clarity of mind,
clarity of understand So blue density more in that area.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Perfect. Let's go to another question here, let's go over
to t bone again. What is your opinion of the
astral plane?

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
Yep, that's a very good question. That is goes back
to what I was talking about densities. Densities is the
new term, you know, third density physical world, fifth density
the spiritual world. But and right in the middle is
that ethereal layer that some people call the fourth density.
That astral plane is kind of like that fifth density,

(01:45:34):
that spiritual realm. And so when we get out of
our body and we're having an out of body experience
and we're moving through the astral plane, we're moving more
in that fifth density, that higher level state of existence
that's beyond the sandbox.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Paulie would like to know, does a state of mind
like depression make you an easier target for evil spirits
or entities?

Speaker 4 (01:46:00):
Thank you for asking that. And that's another reason why
shadow work and really doing our inner work is so
important because remember, similarities attract and perpetuate. Whenever we get
kind of caught in a perpetual state of mind, a
perpetual state of being. We're putting out that energy the
air entities that are going to feed off of that,
they're going to love it. Their means we're a bit

(01:46:22):
more open, a bit more vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
I know that there's sometimes there are biochemical things that
need to be taken care of. Please take care of those.
I will always recommend seeing a doctor and doing your
shadow work, but definitely be doing both the shadow work
the inner work, seeing the doctor making sure everything is
okay so that you can get onto that level solid ground,

(01:46:45):
because yes, when we get into some of those perpetual
states of being, it does make us a bit vulnerable
to that negative interactions that we really don't want.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
I know that that's personal. That one. Let's go to Stargazer.
What if you try to open a door if you're
unexperienced and you can't close it. That's a good question.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
We have to remember that there is no veil between
the worlds. We are the veil between the worlds. And
this is part of even my paranormal investigator training. It's
what I call don't think of an elephant, because when
we open a door and we look back at it,
and we look back at it, we look back at it.
We're keeping it open, we're staying connected to it. But
if you don't think of an elephant, and it's impossible,

(01:47:32):
I tell you that, don't not think of an elephant.
You're going to think of an elephant. But remember, the
brain can only hold three to five processes at one time.
And if one of those processes is we look at
the door, oh with the door at the door, then
it's going to keep doing that. So what you do
is you do a mindfulness practice of what's in the room,
where am I. You let your brain and your thoughts

(01:47:52):
get overloaded with something else, and if it wants to
go back to the door, cool, I'm thinking about the door,
and I want to think about this instead, And so
you keep your mind overload it. It's going to take
some practice. It doesn't happen the first time, but it
takes some practice that you build that training in your
mental state of mind to learn how to tune out
the things that you don't want to connect with. And

(01:48:12):
eventually that door will close because you're not giving it
any energy. You're not giving it any attention because you're
putting your energy and attention elsewhere. Like I said, it's
going to take some practice, practice it before you need it.
Practice overloading your mind with so many other things going
on at once that you forget what you wanted to
forget about. A great way to practice this is when

(01:48:33):
you get an earworm, when you get a song stuck
in your head. Acknowledge the song, it's there, and now
start doing these other things. Overload your brain with everything
else about that song, and when that song creeps back in,
acknowledge it. Cool, there it is, and then do something else,
and eventually you'll forget that song. It'll move away. And
it's the same way with that doorway.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
The unknown is asking can you give us a quick
lesson on how to do spirit writing? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:49:00):
Absolutely, I love doing this. What you want to do
is take a moment just to kind of settle in, relax,
maybe connect to your sense of the sacred, feel it,
let it be something that flows through you around you,
think happy thoughts, be in a happy state of mind,
and then think about somebody that you want to connect with.
I'm just going to use Grandma as a general example.

(01:49:21):
Think about the time when you spent baking cookies with Grandma.
What it felt like to be around Grandma when you
were baking cookies. When you sat down and watched the
TV show together, how good and comfortable it made you feel,
and remember what it felt like to be there with grandma,
and just tune into that feeling. Breathe into that feeling,
and then grab a piece of paper and pencil and

(01:49:41):
then either start writing nonsense. You know, roses are red,
violets are blue. This is so silly.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
I don't know what to do.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
And just let your hands start writing, or start asking questions.
You already know the answer to Grandma, what was your
favorite food? Write down the answer. What's your favorite colored? Grandma?
Write down the answer, but then just keep writing. Just
let your hand write whatever comes out. Don't worry abou punctuation,
grammar spelling.

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
Just write. Worry about reading it later.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
And then start engaging a conversation and just let your
hand write, and that way you're tuned into Grandma. It's
Grandma coming in to talk to you, and you can
ask about anything and have a great conversation and say
when you're done, say hey, Grandma, thank you, this was great.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
I'll talk to you another time. Bye. Have lots of fun,
and she'll go. Paulie is asking voodoo, what is the
process of the frequency from the sender to the receiver.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
I haven't really studied voodoo voodown in any sort of detail.
I'm not sure what their process is. But the best
that I can understand is it goes back to that
similarities attract and perpetuate. A very close analog to this
one would be God form assumption. And what I mean
by that one is like I work with the Norse deities.

(01:50:54):
I've followed the Norse tradition for a very long time.
And if I want to connect with Odin, if I
want to kind of sort of become the living embodiment
of Odin, I'll read about Odin. I'll look at the
Odin statue. I'll put on some blue clothing. I'll think
about what it's like to be Odin. I'll ask Odin
to be present because I'm tuning my frequency to his frequency,

(01:51:15):
and that I'm saying, can we share this space together?
In vocation, you see, avocation is calling a spirit into
the room or deity into the room. Invocation is calling
them to be within you. So I have to tune
my frequency to my understanding of Odin, invite them in,
and then we kind of match frequencies at that level.
That's the only way I can speak to that is

(01:51:36):
that sort of god form assumption level. I don't know
the practices of udowin.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
I like this next question from PAULI. We got about
two and a half minutes here, dark forces and psyops.
Is there a connection?

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Yeah, there absolutely is because a lot of the psyops
are definitely fear based, sending negative energies, getting people to
feel uncomfortable, scrambling their thoughts because whenever we're in a
fear state, our thoughts are going to get scrambled. And
absolutely there's absolutely connected in that sense. But now, is

(01:52:15):
it the dark force is creating psyops or is it
the other way. I think it's a little bit of both.
They see the syops and the humans that are creating
the negative effect or creating that negative energy, connecting with
beings that know that kind of stuff, and then they
start this kind of feedback process. But I do think
it all starts with humans and then these other dark

(01:52:35):
forces kind of contribute a little bit to it, but
it's really human generated.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
I believe ninety seconds we got two questions. Let's see
if we can get them in. David wants to know
do you see technology catching up with any of these topics.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
I don't see why, because spirituality is a physical thing.
It's not It's a spiritual thing, not a physical thing,
where technology tends to be more.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
However, with that said, I wanted to discount the.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
Phone apps, you know, like ghost radio and some of
the necrophonics, some of these ghost apps, whether you can
speak through your phone. However, I've been getting good results
with it, so I'm gonna be open mindedly skeptical because
I've been I've I've thwarted a K two I've had
a K two meter going off next to me and
I'm like, there's nothing in the room, but the K

(01:53:25):
two meter is going off when I'm like feeling that
there's nothing in the room, only to realize my phone
was next to the K two meter going it off,
so I was more on than the K two meter.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
And finally, have you ever had a message that made
you stop or back out of a situation?

Speaker 4 (01:53:42):
Oh yeah, it will definitely happen. I get that feeling,
that nudge of like nope, don't go there, don't do this,
not gonna happen more often than not, though I get
the message, Hey, this is the path you want to take.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
Hey, this is what you want to do, this is
where you want to go.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
I find those more effective, but yeah, those messages definitely
come through Kdrick.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
I mean it when I say this. Anytime you want
to come on spaced Out Radio, you just make the
call and we're going to make that happen. You have
been an absolutely amazing guest tonight, and what a privilege
for us in the audience and myself as host to
have you on this show.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
Thank you, You're very welcome, and thank you to This
has been amazing. I love your questions, I love your audience.
This has been a great experience, a great conversation. So
I absolutely will be back for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
Kydrick dot com is his website. Extra Small Lee Strouss
coming up next in the Q and A. You're listening
to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave scott.

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Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
Did you ever resonate with our audience?

Speaker 5 (01:54:59):
Awesome? I love that, beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
I had just an amazing, amazing time, and I got
to tell you, man, I was pretty down coming out
in because I had a really hard day today mentally,
and you just changed that entire focus. So thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
You're very welcome. Thank you for that. I love I
love that, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
All right, my friend, you take care. We're going to
let you go, and anytime you want to come on
let us know.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
You got it, man, I will definitely definitely let you
know because this was great and I'm looking forward to more.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
Me too. Take care, kater you too, man, you take care.
Kadri Colson. Everybody, how awesome is he? He was amazing,
absolutely amazing. I'll be right back.

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Yes, I had the taken nap. I needed one really
bad after.

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Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
All right, Davy's back. Let's get to lee. Hew you doing, buddy?

Speaker 5 (02:00:16):
Oh man, I'm so glad to be here with you tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
I missed the hell dude, I missed you, buddy, I
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Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Past me one right, and we even have a nice
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if Tim's ever feeling healthy enough to get back in studio,
we got it all set up, yeah, which is cool

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or if you have a visitor, Yeah, another maybe if
Extra Small comes back up. Thank you to t Bone,
Cspam and Kitty No swamp Dweller tonight. I'm going to
restart Swampdweller next week, and Lee, thank you for being here.
So we're going to go straight to you after I
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(02:02:15):
for tonight in the sr Space Travelers Club. Nebel Nebel
is your password. Use it wisely, space Travelers as a
clam says the password each and every night right here
on spaced out radio, Let's head to the swamp, all right,

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extra small Lee strouss hanging on out here.

Speaker 5 (02:02:55):
How you doing, buddy. I'm doing good, Dave. But like you,
it's been a day and I'm just happy to be
off work and I'm happy to be here hanging out
with my good buddy Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
Oh Man, thank you, thank you. I had just one
of those days today, one of those days, and I
came into the day so positively and then boom, just
like a gut punch. It's like, what am I doing here?
Where are we going with this? What's this all about?

Speaker 6 (02:03:27):
You know?

Speaker 5 (02:03:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:03:30):
I gotta say this though, as somebody who suffers from
depression and anxiety, and I'm very very open about that
because no offense to the ladies out there. Women are
very good at expressing their feelings. Very good. Men are not,
especially when it comes to being a little bit sick

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and twisted in your mind, like I am. Okay, And
I don't mean that in a negative derogatory way. I
mean that is you don't meant health is something that
you know, men try to push to the side.

Speaker 3 (02:04:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
And I gotta tell you, man, this show each and
every night I had to fight myself to get into
the studio. Tonight, I had to fight myself like anything.
And I was just like, oh god, you know, and
I literally this was my day. I worked an hour
and a half overtime tonight. Oh okay. After having a

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bad day, I got home. My beautiful partner made me dinner,
which was fantastic. And then I'm still walking around like
a zombie from the day and my son is like,
come on, Dad, it's time for me to beat your
butt in a game of mini sticks. And I'm like,

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but just give me a minute, give me one minute,
Like all I wanted was one minute. And I literally
collapsed on my man and I was just like in
mental stress, just trying to relieve it. Go play mini
sticks with my son. He beats me again, little jerk. Okay,
come into the studio. I don't want to do the show.

(02:05:12):
I don't want to do the show. No, I just
took three weeks off the show to rebuild the studio.
I'm not going to do that to our great audience
who relies on us to be here every night. I'm
not going to do that to our radio stations because
they waited and their patience with us was long enough. Okay,
And now it was like I had a great guest

(02:05:35):
with Kadrik Olsen, like I needed that guest. I even
like nine minutes into the show, I sent Dirty filth
our booker a message on Facebook Messenger and I'm like, dude,
you hit a home run with this guy. This guy
is absolutely great, absolutely great. And then now you're on

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and my spirit is completely different than what it was
just three hours ago. There you go.

Speaker 5 (02:06:06):
Sometimes it's the little things that just make it all better,
you know, getting back in the saddle and doing your
thing and having a great guest.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
Awesome. I want to talk to you about AI okay, okay,
because you're a guy who does a lot of video,
whether you're in the forest looking for Bigfoot, whether you're
up on the mountains, whether it's Mount Baker, Mount Adams
in the Pacific Northwest looking for UFOs, and you have
caught some incredible footage, you really have over the years,

(02:06:40):
and you know I've seen your work. Man, Sometimes I
just go, you got to be kidding me. There's no
way you caught that. You gotta be kidding me and
now with Ai. I don't know if you saw this
video or not out of Panama, where this gentleman claims
to have watched a meteorite go through the sky and

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it hit near his ground and he shook films it
with the fire coming out. I mean, I know it's
a fake video, okay, but this thing literally looks like
he painted a potato silver. Okay. He brings it home,
puts it in this case, notices something black on it.

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Oh yeah, and then all of a sudden he starts
making videos about how this black goo on there is
starting to grow, and it's starting to grow tentacles, and
it's literally looking like from the movie Venom, you know,
the superhero hero character Venom. And I'm like, at first,
I was like, I don't know, that looks like a potato, okay,

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a painted potato, Like who paints a Russet potato? And
then you know, with the stuff going on it and
the way it was like he had it just perfect
where it was slightly moving like it was it's just
like a twitch. And then it kept getting bigger. He's
talking about in further videos how it's getting bigger and bigger,
and then in one of the videos, I watch him

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just take his bare hand and touch it, and I'm like,
this is fake. Yeah, this is fake because anybody in
that situation is going to wear gloves because you're not
going to know what it is. And if there was

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something real about that, I'm pretty sure there may be
some people knocking at his door saying, can we take
a look at this please? Yeah? Right, And by the way,
you're probably not going to get it back, you know
what I'm saying. But oh yeah. But this is where,
in my opinion, AI is starting to become very very

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realistic when it comes to videos because to people who
don't understand stand videos or are naive videos, they're going
to look at that. And I've read some of the
comments like oh my god, like how did you touch
that with just bare hands? Or or how did you
find this? How come it's growing so fast?

Speaker 9 (02:09:13):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (02:09:14):
You know? And it's not that people are dullible, it's
just that they don't know right right right. So my
question to you is, at what point in the UFO world,
or the cryptid world, or even the paranormal world are
we going to have to say video is no longer

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proof or evidence because we're getting very close to that pointly, Yes,
we are.

Speaker 5 (02:09:46):
You are absolutely correct. I would say that we're probably
a year out from not being able to tell whatsoever.
Some of the things right now that you can look
on like YouTube or Facebook is they'll show like a,
for instance, okay, it looks like there's a sasquatch in

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the ditch, right, but they show several different pictures, and
between those several different pictures, you can tell that one
is not matching the other because of the background, or
because of the color of the grass, or there's different
telltale signs that shows us that these two pictures don't belong.

(02:10:28):
You've got to be a detective, you know, you just
have to anymore. AI is so is getting so stupid,
it's getting ridiculous. I would say that for a while,
we're going to be able to say, Okay, well, this
person's had this video up on YouTube for the past

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ten years, so that could be real what we're looking
at here right But very quickly, if it's a new
video coming out of a spectacular thing, you can't trust it,
You just you can't. It's getting really difficult.

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:11:11):
Most of the UFOs that you will see are going
to be objects that are off in the distance and
they might flash colors and do that sort of thing.
But if you're seeing a lot of detail in a
craft and a lot you know, like where it's really
close up to the camera, yeah, you're going to have
to question it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:31):
You just are. And it's sad because the worst part
about it is a lot of these videos like this
fa fake Venom character go, whatever you want to call it.
They're getting the clicks, they're getting the million plus views,

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and it's sad that we need to look at that,
but we do because views and clicks can be major money,
major major money. If you get a video with a
million plus views, you're looking at putting thousands of dollars

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in your pocket because you're creating traffic to that area
and that's going to set off the algorithms for YouTube
or TikTok or whatever it may be, and you're going
to be able to cash in. You know. It's almost
like back in or any time in music where you

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have a one hit wonder. All you need is one
hit song and you can become a millionaire. Now we're
not at the millionaire stage for the most part on
social media, but there are a number of people who
are making that one hit wonder video and they are

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hitting it out of the park financially because of it,
and they don't care if it's fake. They don't care
if people don't believe, because there there's going to always
be that person. I don't believe in the mainstream media,
it's all bull crap and wise and nobody tells the truth.
But look at this potato that's been painted silver. That's

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a real meteorite with some go on there with alien
life on it. And that's where we are as a society.

Speaker 5 (02:13:27):
Yeah, yeah, this biggest fear as well. I mean with
fake as I'll get out as far as I'm concerned
just looking at the engravings that were on the object.
But yet you've got somebody creates a story, right, and
it's a story if you put it out there, and
a lot of people are interested in the story, that's
great for them because, like you say, it makes the money.

(02:13:50):
But on the back end, they could be doing a
lot of harm to the eufology, the community, the community
of eufologists, right, people that are interested in this sort
of thing, Because then you get more and more people saying, well,
it's just hogwash. Anyway, right, because of all this previous stuff.

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So it makes us look bad in the end, even
though those individuals that are making up a good story
make thousands of dollars on it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
So you send something very interesting. You think we're within
the next year or two of not being able to
trust any videos? Is that just going to be the
time when we throw our hands in the air and
say it's all bs, so we just can't trust it
because most people won't have a detailed eye like you

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do for video.

Speaker 5 (02:14:46):
Ly, Well, you know a lot of the times I
have to throw my hands in the air a lot
of the things that I see out there right now,
and I'm like, well, you know, it's it's too to
be true, or it's just too far off in the
distance for me to give my you know, a genuine opinion,

(02:15:07):
because and for myself, right, I critique the crap out
of that stuff for my own good. Right, Even when
I take something and I think I might have saw something,
and I look at it and then I have to
go through it in my mind. Okay, well, maybe it's
a moth and a flashlight. That's that's what I could

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be seeing right now. It's not an object in the sky.
But people will go ahead and release it and say
it's a UFO or or whatever the case. Maybe look
they're they're following the light or whatever. Well it's a
fucking moth. Now they'll do it with AI, you know,
just to get the same clicks. So it's unfortunately, it's

(02:15:51):
detrimental for us who actually know what to look for,
and you know, it's detrimental to the community at large.

Speaker 1 (02:16:00):
Here, it's getting tough. It's getting very tough in order
to figure this out. If video you want a point
to make.

Speaker 5 (02:16:16):
Yeah, it just it just occurred to me that we
might be able to make a tool with AI to
detect AI. Right, So we should be able with the
technology with AI technology to say it and run it
through some sort of a scanner to find out whether
or not it was built by AI or whether or

(02:16:38):
not it's a real video. Right, So I imagine that
that's very close as well. So we may be we
may be looking pretty good until of course, you might
get this back and forth thing where someone comes up
with a new way to make a video that can
can cheat basically around that. But then you know, you'll

(02:17:03):
see this back and forth. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (02:17:07):
What's going to be the in your opinion, what is
going to be the revolution next to prove UFOs, bigfoot ghosts.
I mean, if we have to eliminate video now, Okay, Like,
for instance, I know personally that if I see a

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Lee Strauss video that it's going to be proper because
I know you personally. But if I see Joe or
Jane Smith filming a bigfoot out in the forest or
capturing a UFO in the sky, I don't know them
from Adam, So immediately my hackles are going to go

(02:17:52):
up on whether or not that is a truthful video
or not. So what is the next step in trying
to use something as proof that the existence of these
craft are real, or sasquatch or dog man are real,
or ghostly activity is real. Because if we can't trust video,

(02:18:18):
which means we can't trust our eyes and our mind,
what can we trust.

Speaker 5 (02:18:25):
I used to think, when I got going with this
and I had a single camera, I'm going to need
two cameras because I want to capture this thing or
these things on a couple different cameras at the same time,
just for validation's sake, right, But AI is getting to
the point now where even they might come out with
two videos or three videos of an object from different angles.

(02:18:49):
But it's starting to be it's starting to be uncanny.

Speaker 1 (02:18:58):
So my theory of you seeing.

Speaker 5 (02:19:00):
Multiple cameras, basically multiple different sensors to capture an object
in the sky is not gonna is not going to
work anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:19:10):
It just won't.

Speaker 5 (02:19:11):
Anybody can point to my stuff and say, well, you know,
even though you captured it on two cameras or three
cameras slightly different resolution or whatever, AI can do that
too now, right, or or whatever the case. It's happening.
So I guess if you have if you have something,

(02:19:32):
if anybody in the audience has any evidence whatsoever that
they've captured on film, I suggest you get it out
on YouTube and at least that time stamps that evidence
right so they can't say, well, you made it with
a I don't sit on it, don't wait on it.

(02:19:52):
Get it published as fast as you can so that
at least you know that evidence is out there. If
I hasn't gotten to the point, you know, That's what
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
Do we see a day In your opinion is we
got about four minutes to go for break here do
we see a day where personal experiences, the ones we
have been pushing and castigating people for over the last
couple of decades. Do we see eyewitness testimony now becoming

(02:20:30):
more of a lifeline to the truth of the phenomena
than the video or audio itself.

Speaker 5 (02:20:38):
I think you need both, I really do. Every video
or photo that you take has a story behind it, right,
And it's the video and the photo with the story
that makes it plausible if somebody's just going to throw
up a video or a photo and not give you

(02:21:02):
a backstory and where exactly this happened, When did it happen,
how did it happen, What were you feeling like that day,
what was your thoughts? I mean, all of that stuff
comes into play. It makes it real, right, So that's
that's uh, that's that's very important.

Speaker 1 (02:21:24):
I get I get that, you know, because what you're
doing is you're showing different machinations of of what happened.
And I get that, and and I think that's great.
But you know what, because somebody's sitting on the other
side of the continently, who has no idea who Lee
Strauss is or no idea who Dave Scott is. They're saying, well,

(02:21:47):
this is another trust be bro situation. I don't want
to deal with that. I don't know these guys, you know.
I mean, look at Dave Scott. He's got a radio show,
and he's on YouTube, and he's got a YouTube channel
so on. So you know, he's probably just you know,
doing this for clicks. He's probably just doing this for
some sort of of you know, building of his own

(02:22:10):
social media platform. So I could see where, you know,
people are going to judge on that. Heck, I'm already
judging on that, you know. And this is where I think,
and I agree with you. Don't get me wrong that
if you all of a sudden, say, capture a photo
in your backyard of a ufone landing or a dog

(02:22:32):
man walking through and you have the say you have
it on your ring cam, you got it on your
cell phone, plus your eyewitness testimony, Sure that's going to
add credence and credibility to the topic. But for the
most part, the way people have been able to manipulate
social media, that's where I wonder if all of a sudden,

(02:22:54):
you know, like reading through our chat room, if it's
Jewels or Tim or Benno or Joe or any of
them who are coming up to me saying, Dave, I
got to tell you my story from last night. I
don't know what happened, but I woke up with scratches
on my elbow. I woke up with with, you know,

(02:23:17):
bruises on my shoulder, and there's three dots there. I
think physical evidence now is going to be that next step,
along with the eyewitness testimony, rather than video your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (02:23:33):
I agree, if you can come with some sort of uh,
you know, other evidence, Okay, I don't know how much
time we have. We might have to run this into
the next thirty five seconds. I have a Geiger counter,
So if you can video the Geiger counter going off
along with the video that you're capturing of the object.

(02:23:54):
I mean, if there's other substantial evidence that you can
back up your claims with, it's huge. If it's not video,
if it's something else more tangible, even.

Speaker 1 (02:24:06):
Better, that's really the only way to put it, my friend,
That's really the only way to put it. Lee. I'm
gonna get you to hold on right there, because Lee
Strauss will be here for another thirty minutes for the
final half hour of Spaced Out Radio. Tonight. He has
a show every Friday night on our YouTube channel called

(02:24:27):
Element one point fifteen. You may want to check that
out as well. We'll be right back. This is spaced
Out Radio and your hosts name Scott. That was a

(02:24:58):
good segment.

Speaker 5 (02:25:00):
Oh yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
Where do you want to go from here? Man? I
know you were talking three I Atlas earlier. Do you
want to go back there or do you want to
go somewhere else?

Speaker 5 (02:25:13):
We can go somewhere else. I'm sure they they've heard it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:16):
Yeah, but we have to we have to think of
the radio audience too.

Speaker 5 (02:25:20):
Okay, Oh, you're right, you're right, Yeah, we can. We
can talk about it. I mean, it's just the weird
stuff that that thing has got going on.

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
It's well, let's let's let's get back into it. I'm
curious about it because I didn't get to watch the
whole show, you know. Yeah, I did get to the
point where you called Tim a rock though on the
chat room rock. Oh, I'm not gonna lie. That may

(02:25:47):
have been me.

Speaker 5 (02:25:51):
I didn't see it happen. I wish I would have.

Speaker 1 (02:25:54):
Uh Ben, oh, Dave, personal, but have you been marked too? Marked?
How give me an example of how I've been marked
with the number of the beast. No, definitely not. And
no I'm not one of these morons who puts by
ID chips in my arm. Just like the BIP states.

Speaker 5 (02:26:19):
You don't want to tell them about that bite Mark
I left on your back.

Speaker 1 (02:26:23):
Well, that was supposed to be private. What a guy?

Speaker 5 (02:26:34):
What a guy?

Speaker 1 (02:26:36):
You know? This this week, getting everything back to normal
has just felt good. Yeah, yeah, holy mm hmm extra
small Lee Strouss will be at our next Vegas party.

(02:27:00):
Uh huh. You don't open borders for aliens. You open
the sky for aliens. Man, open sky for aliens. There
you go, hm uh Beno. I have not, but I

(02:27:25):
have had strange happenings.

Speaker 5 (02:27:35):
We had some crazy stuff happened tonight, Tim, and I
did you did? What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (02:27:42):
Well, the well, I know when his computer all of
a sudden crashed.

Speaker 5 (02:27:48):
Before that, my mic went dead, and then I couldn't
hear him after I was able to fix the mic,
so that went haywire.

Speaker 1 (02:27:59):
And then.

Speaker 5 (02:28:01):
Well, why did you n't pluge the cord?

Speaker 1 (02:28:03):
I didn't. Maybe I don't know what happened.

Speaker 5 (02:28:08):
I know ghost in the machine man the cord was
plugged in.

Speaker 1 (02:28:13):
How'd that happen?

Speaker 5 (02:28:16):
And then uh, my phone call with my girl was
like getting really wonky too. I didn't understand why that
was happening.

Speaker 1 (02:28:25):
Yeah, I hear you, I hear you. I find I
finally had Oh you eat him up pretty quick with her?

Speaker 5 (02:28:36):
Oh wow, Yeah, she's she's We've been talking for a
while before we met, but it wasn't it wasn't getting
real serious until like a week before she got here.

Speaker 1 (02:28:50):
What did What did she think about your collection of
extra small shirts?

Speaker 5 (02:28:54):
Well she tried to wear one.

Speaker 1 (02:29:01):
Oh nah, man, I do have them all hanging.

Speaker 5 (02:29:09):
In the closet and there by color, not by size.

Speaker 1 (02:29:12):
Right, that's awesome. I'm happy for you, brother, Yeah, I'm happy. Yeah,
that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (02:29:28):
Yeah, she's another paranormal investigator.

Speaker 1 (02:29:32):
Of course she is.

Speaker 5 (02:29:34):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (02:29:39):
We got about forty seconds. Oh boy. Thank you tonight
to t Bone, Pam Kitty and CS for the great
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Here we go with the third end final hour of
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here momentarily. But first we want to remind you that
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(02:31:23):
Space Travelers Club, Lee Strauss is here in the big
show for the final half hour. We call it the
Q and A with Lee and Lee right before we
get to the three I at Liss, which you were
talking about on Element earlier this week, Okay, just a
couple of days ago. I want to ask you, I

(02:31:44):
don't know if you saw this on X or dot
but ask a Poll, which is a very very popular
UFO reddit and independent media site. They came out and stated,
why hasn't Annapoline Luna who leads the conspiracy Club? Okay,
and that's what I like to call it, the conspiracy

(02:32:06):
club because it's way more fun than the governmental name
of it. And I don't even remember the gut of
then mental name because conspiracy club sounds so much more fun.
Not to be insultive, just let's have some fun. Well,
apparently she has stated that both her and I believe
Matt Gates actually saw alien bodies, and so Ascapole was saying,

(02:32:37):
why haven't we had any hearings on these alien bodies?
Why aren't we going down this road? Liam? Curious your
thoughts because Matt Laslow has a lot of questions about this.

Speaker 5 (02:32:53):
Well, we're not in the skiff. We don't have a
need to know.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
That's exactly what she said, not in the skiff, but
that she has seen the bodies. Okay, I don't know
if they were on photo, on video or if she
was walked into a secret base with her top secret
clearance to be shown. And then she says what I've seen,
I am not allowed to talk about why would you

(02:33:22):
bring it up?

Speaker 5 (02:33:25):
What? Because that's a little bit of a hint that
there are things going on that you know, she's talking
directly to us, right, us who believe in this stuff,
us that have seen this stuff, okay and experienced it.
She's saying, you're right, this stuff is real. That's basically
what she's saying.

Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
I've just given us a head nod. I understand that, Lee.
But you know what, when you're in a position like
she is, there's that old saying and look, I'm mister
woo here Okay, if they're there is a bow tie
that had WU on it, a big W on one
side and a couple of o's on the other, I

(02:34:06):
would rock that bow tie. Okay, I am mister Wu.
I love the WU. I want to believe this, Okay,
not be live this, but believe this.

Speaker 3 (02:34:20):
I do.

Speaker 1 (02:34:22):
But I think it also comes to the person who
is saying it. So let's say one of our audience
members listening in on KZFX in California. Okay, maybe they
work at twenty nine Palms where we're broadcasting into right now,
as we say thank you to all the agents and

(02:34:44):
agencies tuning us on in right now. We appreciate you listening. Okay,
if all of a sudden, let's say one of them
comes up and says, hey, I got some news for
you at this exact time, at this exact place, at
this exact location. We need you to be there because

(02:35:05):
you're going to see something. Come with me, meet us there,
and we go and we see it. But now you're
not allowed to tell the spaced out radio listeners. That's
not fair, Okay. I wouldn't tease the listeners and saying oh,
by the way, I was down at twenty nine Palms
at an open event for CAZYFX radio where we are broadcasting,

(02:35:30):
and I brought Lee with me and we went and
saw this. Well, we can't tell you. The audience is
going to be like, well, why would you bring it up, Dave?
Why would you do that? And look, I know there
are some times that I and once again, since of
being a hypocrite tonight, I will say this, Okay, there

(02:35:53):
are times when I have had information but I can't
tell you who told me or where it happened. That's
the journalistic part of this all. But when you were
in a position of authority trying to bring out the
story like somebody like Anna Paulina Luna or Matt Gates
or Nancy Mates or Timbershett or whomever it may be.

(02:36:16):
If you were going to tease like that, okay, you
have to be able to play the cards to back
it up. You can't just say that and then walk
away from the subject. It's kind of like when you
get women, you won't know what I mean by this

(02:36:37):
no offense. O. Hey, this isn't a misogynistic comment. But
when a guy gets friend zone, Okay, you have this
lovely girl, this lovely woman you're in love with, and
she is your best friend and you talk every day.
You know, it's pretty much like having a friend wife.

(02:36:57):
And then she gives you the yeah. But and you're like,
why can't I find a nice guy like you? And
you're right here, it's the same thing. Yeah, I saw aliens,
but I can't tell you about them. Her position that

(02:37:17):
if you're going to make and this gets to the
quote I was going to say about fifteen minutes ago
before I diatribed extraordinary words require extraordinary evidence. Well, that's right,
So what would that do to you? What that would
do to you?

Speaker 5 (02:37:36):
And it would do to me? And I'm sure a
lot of other people out there that are listening. Is
that would make you want to dig that much harder
so that you could get some evidence that you could
bring to them at least close to what you saw. Right,
I would dig so deep and I would try so
hard to bring something forward to prove to you guys

(02:38:01):
what I saw that I'm not supposed to talk about.

Speaker 1 (02:38:08):
You know what I mean. But if you can't talk
about it legally, don't bring it up unless you're willing
to whistle blow on it, which we really have it
in my opinion, And Josh Rutledge and I disagree on this,
and that's okay. Many others disagree with me on this,
but we don't have a UFO whistleblower. She has an

(02:38:30):
opportunity to be a whistleblower. So be a whistleblower. Nobody
else in the conspiracy crew is going to be. Nobody
else is going to be because all they're sharing is
their stories of what they know.

Speaker 5 (02:38:46):
So what's good for the goose then is good for
the gander. Right, So she's expecting people to come forward
and then talk about what they've seen and you spill
their guts. But she won't do it herself. That's what
you're saying.

Speaker 1 (02:39:03):
If you're going to make a comment like that, don't
you think you should? And that's what Matt Laslow from
Aska pol is pretty much saying. You made this extraordinary comment.
Why don't you back it up? Why has this not
been brought up in the hearings? And she made the
comment two years ago?

Speaker 5 (02:39:25):
Yeah, well yeah, she's uh, she's got to come out
with it then. I mean, really, she's asking people to
do that. And if she can't do it herself, then
why is she asking.

Speaker 1 (02:39:39):
People to do it? No idea? And that is the
point that we're getting at. Let's go over to three
I Atlas. Apparently they found some water on this big thing. Yep,
what do you got? Maybe? Well, the dawn thing is.

Speaker 5 (02:39:57):
Still green and they can't understand why it's green. They
say that there's not enough nickel on this thing to
have it to continue to fluoresque green as it's coming in.
But the weird thing about this is that the nucleus
of the three I atlas is red. Which are are

(02:40:19):
they telling us that? You know, it's off gassing something
else and it's just staying within the nucleus and it's
not spreading out to the outside or to the corona
of this object. It's just that there's so many bizarre things,
as if it is now moving to intercept Mars, as
it's off gassing every seventeen minutes, you know, like clockwork,

(02:40:44):
this thing is off gassing and it's propelling itself closer
and closer to actually rendezvousing with Mars. You know, Dave,
it's really strange. But I'm sure you've seen pictures of
Florida and they've got the storm tracks that are coming
into Florida and they say, well, it could go this way,
or it could go this way, or it could go

(02:41:06):
over here. Well, they're doing the same thing with the
Three Eye atlis right, trying to predict its trajectory, you know,
as it's moving closer to Mars. One of those trajectories
that they have drawn, Dave, is like the distance between
Washington State and New York City. That's how close this

(02:41:30):
thing could possibly be at some point to Mars. That's close,
which is stupid close. And the thing I'm thinking about
is they've admitted that there, NASA has admitted that there
is some sort of atmosphere on Mars. You know, you

(02:41:51):
remember the old pictures and videos they would show us
of Mars where it had a red sky, and of
course then they took the filter away and it had
a loose sky. Well, if Mars has some sort of
atmosphere and that darn thing comes close enough, it'll peel
that atmosphere away.

Speaker 1 (02:42:13):
Well, I think the big question is, you know, and
this is where maybe you know my own tinfoil is
wrapped a little too tight around my head here. Okay,
but how do they know about the colors, because all
they're going on is is computer imagery of what the
algorithms of the James Webb telescope are telling them. Yeah,

(02:42:39):
so do we really know that it's filled with water
or doesn't have enough nickel in it? Maybe we need
some nickelback up there?

Speaker 2 (02:42:49):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:42:50):
Look at this me or right? I don't know, but
I just don't get it. And the way this thing
seems to be seems to be just changing its trajectory
every so often. Now heading to Mars, I mean, remember

(02:43:13):
we're supposed to be coming towards Earth very closely where
you could see it with a pair of binoculars. At
one point they were potentially calling for that, and now
all of a sudden, it makes a right turn to
go to Mars. What did it miss Albuquerque? The left
turn at Albuquerque? I don't know, you know, bugs bunny,
Come on, everybody remembers that. I thank you, thank you? Okay.

(02:43:38):
The whole point that I'm getting at is, you know,
do we have some drunken teenage kids flying this thing
right that? All of a sudden, Oh, let's take it.
Let's do a detour over to Mars. Here, see what's
going on. Check out the new microbial life that the
that uh the herovers have found. Boy who didn't call

(02:43:59):
that one? I mean, we all knew long ago. Come on, absolutely,
so are you really buying what they know about three
I Atlas and what it is? Because I will tell
you this, At first I thought it was going to
be just another meteor coming through because I like looking
at meteors in the sky. If you've never seen a

(02:44:21):
meteor in the sky or taken the time to enjoy
the green glow that comes off of it the distance,
it's pretty amazing, it really is. But the way this
thing is acting, which seems to be a little bit
more erratic now than Omuamua ever was in twenty seventeen.

(02:44:43):
It does make you wonder whether or not Avi Lobe
from Harvard University was onto something saying, we can't rule
out a craft with THREEI atlas, And for God's sakes,
can we start naming these things with good names? Can't
we just call this thing Phil okay, or call it

(02:45:05):
something like Mike or Lee. There goes Lee through the sky,
Lee in the sky. It means, yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:45:21):
We name hurricanes right, better names than we can figure
out what to call these things. So there you go.
But this thing is traveling super super fast. It's the
fastest object that we've ever seen that we know of
coming into our or not our atmosphere, but into our
solar system. So and it's and it's it's yeah bye.

(02:45:47):
By orders of magnitude, this thing is is super quick.
So there's that which is which is bizarre. And it's
speeding up as it comes in, you know, which which
it would do because the gravitational pull of the Sun.
But still it's off gassing at the in the right
rate to move it towards Mars. And why maybe maybe

(02:46:10):
this thing does have another name Marvin uh uh, Nope,
maybe it's uh the twelfth planet.

Speaker 1 (02:46:23):
Oh, are you saying, don't go nighbero on me, do
not go? It's what about it? Though?

Speaker 5 (02:46:31):
Come on now, you wanted to take the Woo train.

Speaker 1 (02:46:35):
Because Nibru is not a cigar shaped object.

Speaker 5 (02:46:39):
They don't know what shape this thing is. They haven't
said it's cigar shaped?

Speaker 1 (02:46:49):
Might you just call it cheach.

Speaker 5 (02:46:51):
Niberu wormwood? Who knows?

Speaker 1 (02:46:57):
Are you really on the Niberu bedwagon?

Speaker 5 (02:47:00):
Well, they said they'd be coming back right. Maybe this
is it.

Speaker 1 (02:47:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:47:07):
I don't know where this thing.

Speaker 1 (02:47:09):
Do you know this where this originated?

Speaker 7 (02:47:11):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:47:12):
Where this object came from?

Speaker 1 (02:47:14):
I know it came from outside of our solar system.

Speaker 5 (02:47:18):
You remember the WOW signal? Yes, this is where this
thing comes from. Really, I did not know that the
same space where we were receiving the WOW signal from
is where this thing originated.

Speaker 1 (02:47:38):
Wow. I did not know that, and that is a wow.

Speaker 5 (02:47:41):
Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 1 (02:47:43):
We have just over four minutes to go here. I
got to ask you at him, poor question here, totally
off topic. Okay, for everybody who knows, I'm a workaholic,
I have a daytime job and then I moonlight radio. Okay.

(02:48:04):
At my daytime job, I work with a flat earther.
Oh boy, Brian is his name, and he thinks the
Earth is flat hm, and he debates me every day

(02:48:27):
on it. And he believes that we've never gone to
the moon. He believes that that everything's up in space
as a hoax, although he does believe in UFOs and aliens,
which is kind of weird. So I think he's only
like a half breed, fat, fat, fat flat earther. Okay,

(02:48:51):
But here he is saying, you know, you know when
he talks about the reason why we can't go space
is because the firmament doesn't let us, you know, I mean,
it's just wild man, How do you deal with the
flat earther that you gotta work with every day? Because
outside of his flat earth nutbarrism, he is a good guy.

(02:49:15):
He's a nice guy. He makes me laugh every day.
But I got to hold this against him, and and
originally I thought it was one of two things that
caused this. Number One, he likes soccer, so that that
is something that is a red flag for me right
off the bat. But number two, in hockey, he's a goaltender.

(02:49:36):
He played goaltender and getting pucks shot at you at
like ninety miles an hour. You can't have all your
brain cells in a game of hockey or in life
if you if you enjoy being hit with a frozen
puck at ninety to one hundred miles an hour. So

(02:49:58):
it's a double whammy. And you add to the fact
that he's a flat Earth or too or a part
time flat Earth. How do you deal with this?

Speaker 3 (02:50:07):
Lee?

Speaker 5 (02:50:08):
Well, the one thing that I point to, because I've
had some friends that have been the same way, I'm like, Okay,
so you see that big ball in the sky, that's
the moon. That the moon that's up there. If you
notice different times of the month, it has a different shape.
The light that's shining on it has a different shape.
And the reason for that is because the sun is

(02:50:31):
back there shining on the planet, and then that reflection
goes up to the moon. So it's got a concave
to it, right. That's because that that sunlight is hitting
Earth and then shining on the Moon. So it's going

(02:50:52):
to have this concave. And I'm now I'm thinking I
might be crazy. Well maybe that's not a good answer,
but that's what I always thought about this.

Speaker 1 (02:51:03):
Here's my answer to him on this. I said, Why
hasn't anybody ever fallen off from Australia or New Zealand yet,
Why haven't they fallen off? They're at the bottom. Why
haven't they fallen off?

Speaker 5 (02:51:20):
Yeah, yeah, I have to think of another way to satellites,
for instance. I'm sure there's something that we can come
up with with the way satellites are.

Speaker 1 (02:51:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:51:36):
That puts some more thought into it.

Speaker 1 (02:51:38):
Yeah, it is. It's a tough one. It's a tough
one because he doesn't believe air travel either. He believes
that we fly, but we fly in a straight line,
not with the curvature of the Earth. I'm like, well,
there are literally thousands of pilots who would say you're
wrong on that. No, no, no, no, no, no, nope,

(02:52:00):
Earth is flat. Maybe he's just doing it to upset me.
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