Sept. 23/25 - Haunted Lakes & Hospitals with Mark Leslie - Spaced Out Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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We have an amazing show coming up for you tonight.
We're gonna find out about the ghosts of the Great Lakes,
haunted hospitals, and many many more awesome hauntings. Author researcher

(03:20):
paranormal enthusiast Mark Leslie is here his website Mark Leslie
dot ca A if you want to check it on out.
Then in our number three, we got swamp dweller kicking
things off. Then Robin Haynes returns for the cryptid Q
and A. So I'm excited to get this guy on.
This is going to be a good, good show. Mark

(03:40):
Leslie is the author of more than thirty books that
include the award winning humorous urban fantasy Canadian Werewolf series,
hailed by readers as the thinking Man's Werewolf, and his
award nominated ghostly explorations such as haunted hospitals and Tomes
of Terror. He also is the editor of more than
ten anthology he's including titles of the Hugo Award nominated

(04:03):
pulp House fiction magazine and the Aurora Award, which is
Tessercat series which showcases the best Canadian speculative fiction. Mark
has delved into nonfiction covering the subject of the paranormal
with six books, including his most popular Haunted Hospitals. He
has a seventh release coming out soon, the Ghosts of

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the Great Lakes. I am so interested in that one,
and we're going to get to a Mark Leslie dot
Ca is his website. This a good time, Mark Leslie,
Welcome to spaced Out Radio for the first time.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
How are you, hey, Dave. Great to be coming at
you from the other side of the country.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Absolutely, my friend. And you know, hockey season is right
around the corner.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
It really is the time of year for Leafs fans
to get excited and get disappointed again. Has been for
my entire life. Yes, God love.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Him, God bless you for holding on that tight, you know,
because you know, Mark, if I would have known your
relief fan, let's just cut it, I wouldn't have injured. Okay,
I mean no offense.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
I mean I'm not going to say fan, but I'm
just gonna say it.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Sixty seven Okay, sixty seven your password for tonight people,
I'm going to get the password out early sixty seven.
That's what the password is. And when you can figure
that out, my audience that is not in Canada, you
will understand what I mean by that. Mark. Thank you
so much. I love talking paranormal, especially with my fellow

(05:33):
Canadians here.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
What sparked you into this realm? I've always been afraid
of the dark. I'm still a big chicken at the
age of fifty six. I'm afraid of the dark. I'm
afraid of what might be lurking in there. I'm afraid
of the monster under my bed, the shadows. My imagination
is very powerful and I've always I've always had those fears.

(05:58):
And so even as a child when I started writing,
I started to write stories, and I couldn't just write
a normal story. I always had to write like these
what if tales, Like what if there were you know,
creatures visiting us from another planet? What if that light
in the sky was at Uffo? What what if that
shadow in the woods was Bigfoot or whatever it was?
And I didn't actually start writing paranormal books until I

(06:22):
was an adult. I had already written tons of horror
fiction and thrillers and other you know, sort of speculative fiction.
And it wasn't until what was about fourteen years ago
that I had moved to Hamilton, Ontario, and I'd moved
there because that's where my wife's family was from. We
wanted to live either closer to my family or her family,

(06:44):
so we went there. And one of the ways I
like to get to know a place is going to
ghost walk and the Haunted Hamilton was a group called
Haunted Hamilton. They put out they had these great ghost walks.
They had already been doing them for ten years by
the time I moved there, and I just learned so
much about the city of Hamilton and the history and

(07:05):
the ghosts. And I ended up turning that into a
book because I was listening to the stories I was
going on the ghost walks, and I said, you guys
are amazing. And I've been a writer and a bookseller
most of my life, and so I always think, well,
you should put this into a book. This would make
a good book for other people to read. And they
said that we're too busy running our business. But if

(07:26):
you want access to our files, you can have Adam
and you can write your own book, and so Lo
and Behold. You know, a few months later I pitched
to Dunder and, Canada's largest independent publisher. I pitched them
a book of ghost stories about Hamilton and Lo and Behold,
Lo and Behold. That started off the trend of researching
for fiction, which is fun, rightly, and researching werewolves and

(07:49):
understanding the mythology so I could write my own fictional
werewolf novels, but then also researching and putting that into
paranormal books.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I love how you found out about Hamilton through a
ghost walk. And here I thought it was just about
the Tiger Cats and Steel City in an empty NHL dream.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know, you know, oh, I know, so close, so
close for them actually having an NHL team.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
But you know what did happen in Hamilton in nineteen
eighty seven? We just had an anniversary of that.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Was it was that when we got the Great Cup.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
No, it was the famous uh Gretzki to Lemieugal the
Canada Cup.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Oh my god, yeah, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Okay, yeah, thirty eight years ago, many eight years ago.
The year said the kid was born. Sidney Crosby was
about a month old when that happened.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Really, yeah, there was some hockey trivia for you. Oh
my favorite goal ever favorite. I grew up with.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Gordy Howe and Bobby Orr and those were those were
my guys when I was young. I mean, I was
actually hockey when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
I may live in BC, but I'm an Oilers fan
through and through.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, it's hurt the last couple of years. I'm not
gonna lie. It's hurt for you going on this paranormal
journey and learning about yourself and what this is all about.
I think for our mostly American audience, I don't think
they understand how haunted Canada really is. And I guess

(09:28):
the reason why is we don't promote things very well.
Canada has a social media problem where we don't promote
things that are really cool in our country because we
don't want to brag. We don't want to make a
scene for ourselves. What will other people think? You know

(09:48):
what I'm saying. We don't want to admit it. You know,
Like I live right If you go right behind my
studio about three quarters of a mile, that's the original
gold Rush trail going straight up that I think Wow,
that thing is haunted as anything that trail okay, And and

(10:10):
I've done some investigations along that for a while. And
and but we have a lot of ghost towns here.
We have a lot of very haunted historic places here.
Why do you think we don't, as Canadians promote how
really cool Canada is for a paranormal adventure.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
I think there's a there's a quietness about the way
we approach things. There's a subtlety as well. I mean
I grew up in Sudbury, Ontario, the nickel capital of
the world. Like this is the you know, and the
basin created by a meteorite crash, which probably is what
deposited all of all of the nickel and the iron
ore and all that stuff into the ground there. And

(10:54):
even I think it was seventy six that we actually
had you have foes come from Colorado Springs up from
the airbase there, come over Subury, Ontario in seventy six
to intercept these unknown objects that were captured on radar
at that time. I mean, that's a significant international event.

(11:17):
I believe they thought there might have been Russians and
stuff like that coming into Canadian airspace. But it wasn't
the big news you'd think it would be. When you
look at the stuff that we can do in Canada,
I think we very often will take an introverted approach
to the world in general and just sit back. And

(11:38):
so I grew up with a cousin who talked a
lot and spoke a lot, and in my home, sitting
beside this cousin, we grew up really close, almost like brothers.
He was the funny one and the active one. He
was always doing stuff, and I was led to be
believed that I was the shy one, but it was
only the shy one in comparison. Maybe we're considered shy

(11:59):
because we have this big brother who lives some of
us that is pretty bold and boisterous and noisy and loud.
And the population, let's look at the population of Canada
is about the population of the state of California, right,
So there's not a lot of us when you think
about it that way. So there's probably various reasons why

(12:20):
we're either quiet about it, or we just say, hey, well,
no my big brother's talking. We're just going to sit
back and smile and grind, or or maybe we just
don't have the volume of people to share the stories.
Right when you think about our population.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, I know my community, which is extremely haunted. People
here don't like talking about it. We don't want the attention.
We don't want people to think we're a weird community. Yet,
if you talk to people one on one in my community,
most of them have had a UFO sighting, most of

(12:56):
them have lived in a haunted house in this area,
and some of them have even had encounters with Bigfoot
or other weird creatures in the forest. It just seems
to happen all over the place. I do have a
question for you, though, because you are East coast, have
you ever looked into the paranormal legend of the Montreal Forum.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I haven't, actually, even when I was working on Ma
Cob Montreal. I mean found a whole bunch of haunted
breweries in Montreal well and all kinds of other great legends,
but no, nothing about the Forum. You've got some stories
to tell me.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think you need to look into this story. I
really do. I'm going to tip you off on what
could be your greatest book ever. Okay, Montreal Forum Ghost.
The Montreal Canadians were the last Canadian team to win
the Stanley Cup back in nineteen ninety three nineteen ninety four,
Gary Bettman takes over as commissioner literally comes out basically

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saying he hates Canadian markets. Okay back then, Yeah, Canada
has never won a Stanley Cup since. So there is
actually paranormal people and investigators who thought that or called
it the curse of the Montreal Forum, because in nineteen

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ninety four, the Habs moved from Montreal or from the
Forum into the Molson Center, and a few years ago
when Montreal played in the Stanley Cup final, they actually
tried to take the ghosts from the old Forum that
are said to still be walking around, including Geen Bellevaux,

(14:41):
Henri Rochard, Rocket Richard and all of the legends, Howie
Morenz and Jacques Plant, you name it. And they were
trying because the original dressing room is still intact, and
they tried to do a seance in order to to
try and get the ghost to move over to the

(15:04):
Molson Center. Now, it was unsuccessful because the Habs never
won the Stanley Cup, but there is a huge portion
of Montreal who believes that it's the curse of the Forum,
that the Habs should never have left the Forum.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Wow, that is amazing. You know, it's funny. That reminds
me of another building that seems to have like either
a curse or a protective element associated with it, and
it's the Parliament of the Parliamentary Library in Ottawa. Right
when you think about I've been thinking we talk about
the Montreal Form, that there's something special about the spirits
that are there and maybe if we can only bring

(15:41):
them over, that can win a cup again. But the
Parliamentary Library, despite disaster and a massive fire that took
down the entire Parliament buildings, the library is the only
standing part of that structure. And even when there was
an incident that took place several years ago where unfortunately
a soldier had been shot and killed, it was near

(16:05):
the library where they actually apprehended the suspect. Almost as
if there's a positive element or a positive spirit associated
with that building. And and and I wonder if there's
something about that, but that, you know, the association with buildings.
You remember the even the the looney in the.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Ice what was that the Olympics a Salt Lake City
two thousand and.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Two, Yeah, exactly, And maybe there was was that the
spirit of the Canadian loon in that coin in the
in the ice that helped us win that one.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
I would say it was the magic of Mario Lemieux,
but that's just for another topic of course. Yeah, conversation,
you know. But and Joe said, what a team. It's
all Hall of famers on that team.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Oh yeah, that was. That was a powerhouse, right.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Sickening sickening. And imagine if we would have had Brent
Hull instead of him getting pissed off with Hockey Canada
and going to Team USA, that would have been even better.
But nonetheless, I'm telling you, man, if you look into
that story and there was a paranormal team that actually
tried to do the seance and carry the dose over,

(17:15):
that would be one hell of a book for you.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Thank you. I've made some notes of that for future research.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Absolutely. What do you love about the paranormal?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
What?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Really? I mean gets you going? You say that that
you're still a kid at heart. You check under the
bed for monsters, You make sure your closet doors are
closed and windows are closed and everything at night, you know,
But what do you love about this?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
I think what I love about it is that sense
of wonder that sense of what if that sense of
there is, there's more out there then we can comprehend,
you know, to go back and quote Hamlet from Shakespeare,
there are more things in heaven and earth than are
dreamt of in our philosophies, And and that there's so
much much we don't understand, even about our own brains

(18:02):
and our own minds and the soul and all these things.
There's so much we don't understand. That there has to
be more. Right, we didn't understand how certain elements worked.
We didn't understand how to control electricity and fire and
all those things. As we've grown, as you know, as
society has grown and science has grown, and yet still

(18:24):
there are things that we can't explain. There's phenomenon that
science can't explain. There's experiences people have, and that drives
me that curiosity, that sense of wonder. So I love
digging into the stories. I love researching the stories. And
you know what, half the time when I researched the stories,
I found out it's just a legend, it's just a myth,

(18:47):
and it's been disproven or you can you can prove
it by you know, gravity and physics and things like that, right,
like this, this phenomenon, but there's something magical about you know,
when you're looking into it and you go, but I
can't figure this one out. It doesn't make sense. How
do you explain how that could have happened? And that's
where the wondering sense of magic comes back in m H.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
What is your greatest ghostly encounter that you've had personally?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, So it's funny. For years doing this research, I
would often say I haven't had one, Thank goodness, because
I'm such a big chicken. I probably would have had
a heart attack or what I had to change my
pants or whatever, you know, whatever the case may be.
But it was a few years ago. So my girlfriend
at the time, my wife now, and I were traveling

(19:38):
from Ontario, Canada, down to Orlando for a writer's conference
and she works in education, so she was off for
the summer. So we decided to do a fun road
trip and we were going to try to go to
as many haunted bars as we could along the way.
So we took about four four days or so to
drive down, but on the way back we had other
things going on back in Ontario to get to We

(20:01):
just did it in two days and the one place
we wanted to stop on the way back was in
West and West Virginia. And this is a haunted hospital story,
and this is the trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum, and that's
something Ronda Parish and I wrote about in haunted hospitals,
except Ronda from Edmonton, Alberta. Ronda did half the stories.

(20:23):
I did the other half the story, so she did
all the in depth research about that particular location. So
I had only just proofread the chapter before we sent
it off to our editor. But I was excited for
Liz and I to travel up so I could actually
tour the Lunatic Asylum. They had tours going on, and
then I could experience some of the research firsthand, and

(20:46):
you know, and had to copy the book with me
and so I could take some promotional pictures, etc. So
we're drive from Orlando all the way up to West
and West Virginia and we finally are getting in around
one in the morning. It's been a really long day
of driving, and we're in the mountains where the fog
is happening, and Liz is driving and I'm in the

(21:07):
passenger seat, and we're like, Okay, we just need to
find a hotel to stay at, and then we'll get
up in the morning at nine o'clock we'll go on
the tour and then you know, we'll be a home
in six or seven hours because we were rough, or
maybe eight or nine hours. We were relatively close to
Ontario by then. I get into the car at this
first hotel and the parking lot is packed. I run
in and say, do you have any rooms? Like, nope,

(21:29):
But there's an Acondol Lodge just about a couple of
miles up the highway. They may have some rooms. So
we get back. I get back in the car, we go.
We get to the Econol Lodge. The lot is also full,
and I'm getting getting this feeling. Oh man, I'm just tired.
I want to go to bed. Go in and say,
do you guys have any rooms and they say, yeah,
we have one room butt and this is where you know,

(21:53):
maybe chick in the butt steps back. He said, but
it's just a room with two double beds. We don't
have queen or king or anything. I said, Oh, that's
we're just going to sleep. We don't care. All we
need is a place to just close our eyes and
go to bed. So I run back out to the car,
you know, tell Liz to park so we can check in.
We get into the room, we're so exhausted. She picks

(22:14):
the bed by the bathroom. I picked the one by
the door, and she gets into bed, puts her hoodey up,
rolls it over, and she falls asleep right away, which
she does very brilliantly. I'm very jealous because I lay
there in the dark and I hear every noise and
I get scared and stuff like that. So anyways, so
she falls asleep, and I'm I'm all excited about this,

(22:36):
So it takes me a while to fall asleep. So
I wake up at a particular point in the night
and I can hear someone shuffling around the bed, and
I look up and I see Liz moving around the
side of her bed, moving towards the bathroom. And then
I'm waiting for her to turn on the light, and
I'm laying there waiting for her to turn on the light.
She doesn't turn on the light to the bathroom. And

(22:58):
then I hear breathing snoring coming from the bed beside me,
and I look over and Liz's laying in bed. So
I sat bolt upright, and I thought Oh my god,
there's a woman in the room. What she doing. She's
sneaking around in the dark. That's why she didn't turn
off the light. And I was, of course, you know,
overtime imagination, freaking out. And then I got my phone.

(23:22):
I lit up the room with the little flashlight. I
went around. There was nobody in the bathroom. There's nobody
in the room. The latch was still on the door.
And I convinced myself, Okay, here's what happened. I was
laying there in bed. I watched LEZ go to the washroom.
I fell asleep. She went to the washroom, came out
again five minutes later. Whatever I thought. I woke up

(23:42):
five minutes later and thought a second had passed, because
that can happen right when you're in that sleepy mood.
And she was back in bed, that's all. It was
no problem. I finally convinced myself to go back to bed.
A little later on, I hear this noise. It sounds
a little bit like this. Something dropped on the table

(24:03):
at the end of my bed, where the TV is,
where my laptop bag is, where our passports are. And
I sit up again. I go, oh my god, someone's
going through my stuff. There's someone in the room. Maybe
that woman was hiding, maybe she's still in here, the
whole bit again. I turn on the lights, I check everything.
There's nobody in the room. I finally go back to bed.
I thought, oh, maybe it's someone upstairs right drop noise,

(24:25):
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I end up
finally getting back to sleep, get maybe a couple hours sleep.
Finally we get up in the morning. We're getting ready,
and I said to Lisa, I said, wow, I had
a really weird, weird dreams last night. Some weird stuff happened.
Said did you get up in the middle of the night,
And she goes no. I didn't get up at all.
I was in bed. I said, are you sure? She
goes no? Why she goes I put the hoodie on.

(24:46):
I'd rolled over and I didn't get out of bed once.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
And so I hold that we're going to go to break.
We'll find out the end of that story with author
Mark Leslie. Mark Leshlie dot Ca is his website where
you can find his paranormal books. Check them on out.
They're really good. We're going to continue with ghostly encounters
right after this on spaced out radio. All right, we're clear.

(25:24):
I can't wait to hear the end of that story
in a couple of minutes here.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
I didn't see that indicator that we're going to go
to a break. Sorry about that. I was so enthralled.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I forgot to I forgot about the break, to be honest,
I did. I looked over and I see the light flashing,
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Like, oh, oh well, I didn't know because we were
coming up on the half hour.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
I wonder, oh well it happens.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Oh, lots of lots of action in the comments. That's
really cool.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. And we got a pretty active
chat room. They're they're pretty amazing. And then our good
man PARAMRV there he he posts everybody's links and emails
and everything. So thank you Para Marv for doing that.
Greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Oh that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
That's right. Was a fast half hour, man. I hope
you I hope you do something with that book, man,
with that idea.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
I hope you do. That would be right. Yeah, I'm
gonna look into it. I'm kind of curious. I'm kind
of curious too. I wonder if there's ever been a
book of hockey ghost stories that could be a very
Canadian thing.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
It would be I bet you and you know what else,
I bet I bet you you could get support from
the HABS or the NHL on that.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Oh yeah, potentially huh interesting. Yeah wow. Speaking of Gary Bettman,
did you see the movie that was based on BlackBerry? No,
it's a Canadian film. Jay comedian Jay stars in it

(27:11):
and there's a really wonderful line in the film where
the guy who plays Gary Beatman and says, I'm gonna
go back to Waterloo where the vampires live. It's just
this weird, weird line from the movie based on a
city TV stick that took place down down in downtown
Toronto from years ago, where that's what somebody had said
because BlackBerry was invented in Waterloo, where I am as well.

(27:36):
So it's just kind of when I saw that, I
had to look into where did that line come from?
Why did betmans say that? And he was he was
rifting on an old city TV thing that I guess,
you know, early internet days. It was one of those
few videos that just kind of went viral on YouTube.
Count Floyd, Oh yeah, Count Floyd from Hamilton right. Joe

(27:59):
came into the store when I when I worked at
the Chapter's Lancaster. I was so excited when he walked in.
I'm like, oh my god, and actually speak not count Floyd.
That was se TV, but the hilarious House of Frtenstein
was produced in Hamilton, Ontario, which I grew up watching
that show. I loved that. Did you did you get it? No?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
We didn't get that one. Odie out West, at least
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Billy Van was in it, and Vincent Price was actually right,
he did a lot of the narration for it. Right,
it was amazing.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
We got about just under just over ninety seconds. Man,
that first half hour flew by. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
I'll fill up my water on the next break.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, all good, man, all good. Did you ever make
it west?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah? I've got a funny story about driving across the
country this summer. Oh yeah, from Vancouver Island.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, even involves research with the great likes on my way.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, come up to the Caribou man where I am.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I haven't been that far north. I go to the
island a lot. We have a couple of kids that
live there. And then Vancouver, of course, but the Victoria
actually nice. Yeah, nice.

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Here we go, Mark Leslie, author Sarger Haunted Hospitals, The
Hauntings of Great Lakes. I want to hear all about it.
But first Mark, you got to finish your story that

(32:08):
you were having about the hotel room.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah. So, after this night of things I couldn't explain
or I thought might be dreams or whatever, I talked
to Liz and said, Hey, did you get up and
go to the middle of you go to the bathroom?
Said no, I didn't get out of bed all night.
And so I said, well, that's strange, because here's what
I thought happened. Here's what I saw, Here's what I heard,

(32:32):
Here's what I saw and as I finished telling the story,
and here's the thing. Liz is not a believer like myself.
She's very skeptical and very pragmatic, and you know, she
looks at things in very logical ways, and it's kind
of like, you know, always looking, you know, always doubting
and things like that. So I'm the true believer who's

(32:52):
terrified of everything over ima imaginative, and she's the one
who kind of grounds me in a lot of very
positive way. So I finished the story, her face goes
completely white. I've never seen that look on her face before.
And we've gone on a lot of ghost walks together
where I'm hiding behind her because she's the brave one.
And I said what she said, Well, I didn't know

(33:15):
if it was a dream or not, and I wasn't
gonna say anything. But since you shared what happened to you,
here's what happened to me last night. She's laying in bed,
she's got the hood pulled over her head, and she said,
at a certain point she woke up and she felt
that there was someone standing over the bed. Then she
felt a hand touch her shoulder and she knew it

(33:37):
wasn't my hand. She said, it felt like a woman's hand,
and she thought, Okay, there's someone in the room. And
she's very feisty. She's the brave one, she's the strong
one I always hide behind. She steels herself up, gets
her fists ready, and she swings around like, you know,
I'm gonna knock this person out. They're gonna surprise them.
And there was nobody there, and that kind of freaked

(33:58):
her out, and it took her a little while to
get back to bed. But that's the only thing that
happened that night, but it was enough that she felt
a woman, felt a woman standing over her, felt a
woman touch her shoulder. I heard and saw a woman
walking around her bed, and then heard some noise in
the room later on. So that was a really freaky
moment where the two of us looked at each other

(34:20):
and said, do you think there's a woman in this room? Again,
it's daylight, so I'm a little bit braver now because
the daylight hours. But the interesting thing is we thought
it was really creepy and kind of scary, but also
she didn't hurt anyone, She didn't do anything harmful. We
actually got the sense that maybe this woman was just

(34:42):
lonely and was curious, and we actually felt bad for her.
And as we're packing up and leaving to go on
the tour of the Haunted Lunatic Asylum, we actually said
goodbye to her and wished her well. It was a
weird thing where we suddenly felt this compassion for this
lost spirit. And then and then, because I'm a researcher,

(35:03):
you know, I went down to talk to the staff.
Did they hear any stories? I called the management later,
you know, after I got back home to see, like,
are there any stories of weird things happening in any
of the rooms? And nothing. So I couldn't find any
other stories about this place. But hey, it was an
interesting event. And so yes, I have encountered something I
can't explain that I believe was a ghost.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
That is absolutely terrifying because you're wondering if there's somebody
who's stuck into your room and it was able to
disappear through your room, maybe with a secret passage or something.
Oh wow, man, now you got my imagination right now.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
See that reminds me of a bookstore outside of Portland
as well in Lincoln City, Oregon. Actually have you heard
of that?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, the the Oh, my goodness, Shanghai tunnels.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
No, No, I'm thinking of the portal to Limuria, you know,
the kind of like an Atlantis kind of. It was
in a bookstore, Bob's Beach Books Wow in Lincoln City,
And I actually heard this story from the manager of
the bookstore and when I used to go there for
the writing workshops that they used to take place in

(36:19):
the town. And she she was working in the store
and this weird, this odd couple came in. They look
like academic in nature, and they came in and kind
of whispering to one another, and she in the cash
desk is right up. And this is a really small
store that kind of just has like step up when
you go to the other layer, and there's just you
go around a corner and that's it. And there's no

(36:39):
other exits from the store other than the front exit.
And she sees them wandering around and they're confused because
when they first came in, said can I help you
and they're like no, we're just looking around, but they're
still talking and whatever. So she ends up going and
helping them after about twenty minutes and they say, okay, well,
we're actually here looking for the portal to Limuria. The

(37:00):
signs point to the fact that it's here in this location,
and she's like, okay, she kind of takes a step
back from them. She ends up just going and helping
some other customers. So she's at the front of the
store the whole time, and then when she goes to close,
she realizes they've never left, and she goes in to
see where they went, and they actually disappeared. Oh wow,

(37:21):
potentially through that portal. Maybe they found it.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Now. I've heard of that happening at Mount Shasta, where
people would go into bookstores and then they'd come out
like an hour later, and they'd be like, like, say,
if you're a guy, you'd you'd go in clean shaven,
and you'd come out like an hour later, and you've
got like a complete five o'clock shadow or a very

(37:45):
short beard going on.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
You know, where was this.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Mount Shasta are?

Speaker 3 (37:51):
You're giving me all these things to research. This is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh but I got a bunch for you. I got
a bunch for you almost like.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
You host a paranormal radio show.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Maybe I do. Maybe that's something I should strive for
for the future, you know. But oh yeah, there's some
weird ones out there, that's for sure. Looking at your website,
looking at your books, you have Haunted Hamilton, Haunted Hospitals,
Spooky Sudbury, Creepy Capital, Times, Terror, and macab Montreal. I mean,

(38:22):
you've really taken on some of Eastern Canada's biggest cities
here regarding the supernatural stories. How fun has it been
to put those together?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
It's been a blast. And I actually the picked them
by locations I've lived. I was living in Hamilton when
I wrote Haunted Hamilton. I grew up in Sudbury. My
hometown newspaper was interviewing me about Haunted Hamilton and the
reporter Jenny Jellen, my co author of the book, said
have you ever thought about doing a book of ghost
stories about Sudbury? And I said no, I hadn't. She says, well,

(38:56):
if you ever wanted to let me know, I've actually
covered some story that are unexplainable, and so we ended
up doing Spooky Sudbury together. I went to university and
I lived in Ottawa for ten years, so that was
Creepy Capital and I have never lived in Montreal, but
I visited quite regularly. So a lot of the books
for locations I have lived, so it was really fun

(39:20):
to re explore the city that I thought I knew
by digging into the history. And I'll be honest with you, Dave.
One of the things I love so much when I'm
doing research for a book of paranormal stories is going
to the local library, going to the archivist and saying,
because they love a challenge, right, they love to help
people with research, etc. It's like, here's what I'm looking for.

(39:43):
And sometimes their eyes will light up and they're like, oh,
I got some stuff for you, and they start pulling
things out of the archives and photocopies of newspaper articles
and even you know, going through microfiche, and you know, oh,
why can I print this one out? This amazing, amazing experience.
It's always it's almost like it's Christmas morning and I've

(40:05):
got nothing but a ton of boxes and gifts with
my name on it that I get to open and
see what's in there.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
It is amazing. It is amazing. It reminds me I
have a location up here that we try to get
to every week. We have been able to get there
for a couple of weeks, but my research partner Tim
and I we have been investigating an area up here
that we call Flight twenty one and it is Canada's
largest unsolved mass murder. And it happened about about thirty

(40:37):
five kilometers into the forest from my town. And in
nineteen sixty five, a plane flying from Vancouver to white
Horse had a bomb on it and exploded and all
fifty two people on board didn't make it. That area.
Oh my gosh, dude, it is like Skinwalker Ranch. Oh really,

(41:01):
Oh my goodness, it is amazing, amazing.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Is there still wreckage in that area? Yeah? Yeah, I
may have seen photos of that. I didn't know that's
what it was called.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
If you go on our YouTube channel and you look
at our segment that we have in there called Secrets
of the Forest, we're actually documenting a lot of this.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah. And you know you got a book there, I bet.
Oh we have more than a book. We have way
more than a book. And I can tell you this,
I've never been more scared of my life than that location. Really,
I don't you know what I can walk into. You

(41:51):
could put me in a haunted house that has demons
from Satan himself coming up. It won't even scare me compared.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
To this place. Wow, man, I am every time.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
You go different.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Speaking of forests, it was in it was outside of
Colonna when Liz Is, one of her daughters, had lived
in Colonna, and we were visiting her there several years back,
probably about oh my god, eight or nine years ago,
and she brought us up up to this old commune
up in the mountains that looked like it was an
old hippie commune from the sixties or something like that.

(42:30):
All these abandoned buildings, and because I'm a big we're
exploring it. It was very fascinating. Because I'm the big chicken.
I grabbed this metal bar and I was convinced there
was someone watching us from the woods the whole time
we were there. You know, there's the creepy There was
even the old rusted swing set, which you always see
in a horror movie, and I was expecting the swings

(42:51):
to start moving on their own, but it was just
I just was overwhelmed with fear. And there were no
stories of ghosts there. It was just kind of like
a ghost village of all these buildings that were just
standing there empty that you know, this is where people
used to live. I actually started to write a horror
novel called Commune, in which I imagine what happened to
those people, how did they die, how did they disappear?

(43:14):
And so that's one of the many projects that's on
the back burner. But again, I was just so inspired
by that.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I want to ask you about your book that's coming out,
and I'm definitely going to get Clouse to book you
again when your new book about the ghosts of the
Great Lakes coming on out. Yeah, they interest me. And
you know what, I'm very much surprised Mark that there

(43:41):
really hasn't been a lot of paranormal authors that have
taken on this amazing task. With all of the shipwrecks
that have gone on, you know, the Witch of November
that took down you know, oh Edmund fitzgi in Fitzgerald
UFOs being seen all over the place along the Great Lakes,

(44:06):
sea monsters. There is a ton of things paranormally speaking
happening about the Great Lakes. Were you surprised in your
research that there wasn't a lot of people doing that?

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah, and it was so interesting to do. I was
in contact with Wolsack and Winn, a publisher in Hamilton,
and they were interested in doing such a book now.
I have a lot of books on the paranormal because
I like reading about it and I like researching. But
I was really interested in the variety of stories about

(44:42):
the Great Lakes, right, you had mentioned right, So you've
got a ton of shipwrecks, so many different shipwrecks. You've
got lighthouse ghosts, You've got ghosts that are associated with
the land masses around those places. Mackinaw Island, for exam ample,
is another another one. You know, it's known from what

(45:03):
the movie Somewhere in Time with Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour,
that romantic time travel movie. So it's a tourist attraction.
It's a seasonal place. But Mckinaw Island being so small again,
I'm just doing the research for this book now because
it's due in December. The Mackinaw Island. I made a
list of some of the ghosts. So, yeah, it's this

(45:25):
relatively small island. You know, six hundred people on it normally.
There's an indigenous maiden who, according to legend, jump to
her death on one hundred and fifty foot limestone pillar
on the western shores, again distraught over a suitor who
was slain by her father, and he was from a

(45:46):
rival tribe. There's a woman seen at Fort Mackinaw who
is identified as the widow of the Ford's Hospital Stewart.
The Fort's hospital Stewart and his ship sank unlike here
on in eighteen eighty seven, and she's appeared as recently
as nineteen eighty five, so it's not just these old
stories about her. But the last time she was seen

(46:06):
is in eighty five and she hasn't been seen since that.
They sprinkled holy water on the last place she was seen,
so that was an interesting tale. And then yeah, there's
a melancholy little girl with black hair seen playing the
piano or crying. There's a ghost named Harvey at the
Mission Point resort, and then there's a you know bed
and breakfasts where you know, different noises have been So

(46:30):
when I look at this island within the Great Lakes
as well, just that small land mass has so many stories.
So I'm constantly amazed at the stories I didn't expect
that would find when I started doing the research.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
What's your favorite ghost story leading into this book. I
don't want to give too much way on it, because
you know, the book isn't out yet and you still
got a lot of work to do. But yeah, what
would be your favorite story that you've heard?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Well, you know what, I'm actually was really enjoying. I
was really enjoying learning more about the wreck of the
Edmund Fitzgerald. You know, the you know, the old Gordon
Lightfoot song that so many of us knew, So that
was that was kind of intriguing to learn about. But
I was also intrigued to learn more about some of

(47:19):
the ghosts on Manitoulin Island. And when I wrote about
Manitoulin Island very briefly, I had a UFO story set
on Manitoulin Island in Spooky Sedbury. I had no idea
that there were more ghost stories. So I'm really excited
to dig back in. And I grew up near there,
right in Rainbow Country, and so it's almost like returning

(47:42):
home to get to do more research like that. So
that's something that really excites me as well. Yeah, I
don't know. And then and then there's there are some
so many stories around George and Bay itself, which is
off like Huron, you know, the ten Thousand Islands, Perry
Sound in that area. And again maybe maybe I'm excited

(48:04):
for the ghostly tales, but maybe I'm also excited for
the opportunity to go and do some research and talk
to the librarians and archivists and stuff like that, because
that that's something that really kind of gets me going.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I can totally see that, man, I can totally see that.
What interests you about the Edmund Fitzgerald? What what would
bring you there?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
You know? What? It's so there's the line in the song,
and the line and the song that you know that
the Superior doesn't give up it's dead, yes, right, And
that's and is such a powerful line. But I think
about that and when you look at the depth, right,
so here, here are these lakes in the middle of
a giant land mass between Canada and the US. Right,

(48:49):
they're just right there, you know. And actually one of them,
like Michigan, is the only one that's completely surrounded by
the US. Right, most of them border on the US
and Canada, et cetera. And then they're there and we're
all around them, and that you know, the most populous
part of Canada is on the northern shores of you know,
Lake Erie and Lake Ontario, et cetera. And you got

(49:10):
all this population of the US around it, and yet
we did we know so little about the lakes, the depths,
the mysteries that that that occur beneath the surface. And
it's almost like an analogy to the way we look
at the paranormal and the way we look at the
world in general. There's these depths we can't see. There's
these things that are beyond our ability to comprehend or

(49:32):
even to detect. And so I think the mysteries of
something that's right there. I mean, I can you know,
within from from where I am in Waterloo, I can
get down to Lake Ontario within about an hour's drive
and get to the Great Lakes. But can I get
to the depths of the stories that these rich, these

(49:52):
rich waterscapes have to offer. And it's so funny. When
I was talking to my publisher, I was like, this
book's going to be pages, like this is going to
be a series of books. And she said, well, here's
your challenge for the book. Stick to stuff that's only
on the lakes themselves. So you know, when I write
about Hamilton, I'm not going to write about the Customs House,

(50:13):
which is, you know, a couple kilometers inland. I'm only
going to write about stuff that's right on the water.
I'm only going to write about stories that take place
in the lakes themselves, and that should be enough of
a challenge. It's still going to be a huge book,
so I'm curious to see what I'm going to have
to cut and not include just because you know, I
can only it's only going to be about eighty thousand words, right,

(50:34):
so three hundred and fifty maybe pages or so, so
that that's going to be one of the biggest challenges
is what gets let left on the cutting room floor.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
And the Edmund Fitzgerald still sits five hundred and thirty
feet under down, Yeah yeah, and they.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Discovered it, you know, not that many years afterwards, but
they know where it is.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah yeah. And the only thing that they've ever been
able to recover or is the bell from the ship
they left everything else.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
And of course there's there's legends of of the bell
being heard as far away as like Ontario during some storms,
and and there's a superstitious that sailors believe that it's
the warning, uh from their fellow sailors.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
What do you think about dose ships on.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
The Great Legs you're so fascinating. Uh, there's a there's
a few ships that are known as what's the Flying
Dutchman of the Great Lakes kind of thing? Right, when
you think about the Flying Dutchman story in South South
Africa and and and and all of that, I think
there's a combination because I'm always fascinated by the things

(51:49):
that are natural phenomenon that happened that can make it
look like a ship is actually floating, right, That there's
just the way that the light the light waves can
come in, and that that natural phenomena can happen. But
then there are other situations where it's not the right
time of day, the lighting is not proper, and that
this is a you know, a ghost ship that's actually

(52:10):
floating above or looks like it's on fire. Even so,
I love that juxtaposition of things that could potentially be
explained just by wavelengths and the way we see things,
and then other things that maybe not necessarily so easily explained.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
We've got about two minutes to go before we have
to go to break at the top of the hour.
Author Mark Leslie is our guest tonight. In a book
like that, you can go in so many different directions.
You can go the indigenous way, you can go the
the you know, the the more human no more UFO way,

(52:50):
ufo versus human way, the sea monster way, the legends way,
the sailing and ship shoot broat its way. How do
you combine that in such a short span.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
It's going to be a challenge. I think ghosts are
probably going to be about sixty to seventy percent of
the book, and then the other pair normal elements will
be flavor to add to it, like that sort of
lights on a stage that can spotlight a few special things.
But the main content's going to mostly because that's what
I have to do in order one of the things

(53:24):
I'm going to have to do to cut it down.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
That's going to be so much fun.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Man, so far it is. So far, it really has
been a lot of fun. And I haven't even done
a lot of the in person research that I'm looking
forward to starting to do, where I do a bit
of that travel because I know I'm going to encounter
people who are going to be able to tell me stories,
you know, one on one stories in person or library

(53:48):
archives that I was.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Going to go.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Oh, I had no idea, And again that's the that's
the magic.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I can see it be one of your favorites.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Oh, definitely, same here too. It covers a lot of territory,
not just a single city, So that's another thing that's
new to me.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Do you cover it from the Canadian side as a
Canadian withthor or do you cover it from an all
rounded side?

Speaker 3 (54:13):
I'm gonna do. I'm going to do like a fifty
to fifty. It's going to be fifty percent Canadian fifty percent.
I want to be very inclusive of all of the
great likes. Yeah, that is absolutely unesportant.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Well, when we return from the break, we're going to
get into haunted hospitals. I mean, this is the hospitals
are just creepy. Nonetheless, you know they really are, and
you know, for you to delve into some of these
haunted stories that are happening in hospitals as we speak,

(54:46):
it's not surprising. We should all expect it. But then
we got to learn the stories from the people who
have and that's why Mark Leslie wrote a book about it.
We're going to get into that and so much more
on Space Stout Radio. Hard to believe we're already through
one hour here on the Mighty s R. One hour.

(55:07):
Where did that go? I guess time flies when you're
having fun. Mark Leslie dot Ca is his website. You
can find his books there. This is his spaced out radio.
This is spaced out Radio with Hopes Dave Scott. All right,

(55:35):
we are clear. We're gonna turn things over to Dirty
philth here while he draws a cartoon. Mark, you could
go get your water and I'll be right.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Back as well. Sounds good, Hello Dirty, Hello Dave.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Try this again. My headphone did on me, so try
this again.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
I'm sure we can hear me.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Hello Dirty my computer speakers mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Well it looks like everything's fine and the cats are
out of control as usual.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
One second here, I have to get a speak of tea.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
All right. I hope that's a little bit better.

Speaker 5 (56:31):
I've been rambling for a little while tonight with some
some friends of mine, but I hope everyone's doing well. Hello,
Kitty Caddy whack. It's like it's a It's like it's
a Saturday. I apologize. I wasn't your last Saturday. Everybody
I got. I got Nancy Kerrigan on my knee. So

(56:57):
that's an inside joke and you're probably under thirty years old.
You might not understand it, but I got a I
got a sore knee.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Last weekend and I was listening.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
I couldn't sit down and draw cartoons. So here I
am now, And it's some prior engagements tonight.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
Just uh jump in and Dave was all right with
me jumping in about three and a half hours late.
That's all right doing doing the November drawing. Put the
letters on your alligator clips represent alligator clips. Oh, it's
just a z O V.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
It's a.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
It's a military thing. Well I can really say about it. Yes,
this this, this drawing here is Carl and Allen out
on a ride during November at the old Hare Airport
in Chicago. I think it was twenty fourteen or something

(58:10):
where they sped away and did a little bit of rowdiness.
But they almost crashed into gates C. Seventeen but they didn't,
so it was all good. So everything's fine. There was
no accidents at hair Bearport. Then, Hello, fastest of hemis.
I hope everyone's having a great night. Oh my Andrew

(58:35):
and Noomes Trucking Express. My favorite ghost story. I'm not
sure if it could be a ghost story. But it's
sort of a ghost story. It would have to be
HP lovecraft The White Ship, which is one of the
most interesting surreal stories if you listen to the whole
thing spoiler alerts if you haven't been around since like

(58:58):
the eighteen hundreds or whatever. But it's about a guy
that lives at a lighthouse. His families live there. Reader's
digest version is a guy goes on a creepy trip
with boats and or across a moonbeam of a bridge
of moonbeams, travels to different places, and he eventually comes home.

(59:20):
He wonders if it's a dream, but he sees something
at the end of his dream when he quote unquote
wakes up that makes him wonder if it was a dreamer. Anyways,
and my headphone died, so I'm not able to double

(59:42):
check money stuff here, so I'm just gonna make sure
I keep checking to see when Dave sauntes in. I
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My name is Dave Scott. We're gonna get back into
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Let's bring in our guest, Mark Leslie. He is an
author of numerous books, six of which are at the

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paradormal and supernatural. His book That Is most popular is
one unhaunted hospitals. Now, Mark, I got to tell you,
when my son was being born twelve years ago, what
was really interesting was as my wife was in labor
with him, at the other end of the hospital, my

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daughter's great great aunt was dying. So as my son
was being born, her aunt, who she loved very much,
was passing away. So she was kind of doing double duties.
She was running from the nursery at the labor room
all the way down to where her aunt was, and

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her aunt was like ninety nine years old, Yeah, and
then coming back to see how you know, things are
going with us, And then she was going this back
and forth. And I always found that kind of interesting,
how we're in an area where it's all happiness, and
in this other section of the hospital it's all sadness
and death and the end of humanity for so many people.

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I mean, that's pretty touching, man, not just because it
happened to me, but a lot of people experience this
kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Every single day, every single hour. There's a power in
what happens in hospitals. Emotions run high. Like you said,
people are elated, they're ecstatic because somebody survived some accident
or some surgery or whatever, and similarly, people are devastated,
their lives are completely altered and changed because of the

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loss of a loved one. That alone is probably what
can make hospitals right for paronormal activity, not to mention
the other fact. I'm just talking about the people who
are still alive and the things they experience and feel,
and the depth and the heights of those emotions. But

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then the fact that this is a building where people
come into this world and go out of this world
on a very regular basis. Therefore, if there are any
places where portals have opened up between a life we
know and the afterlife or the before life, hospitals have
got to be in right when you think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
And you know, it's funny because my cousin is a
doctor and we've had you know, he's a man of science.
He doesn't believe in any of this, and then he
hears He'll listen to my show and he'll be like, David,
is this really going on? And I'm like, yeah, man,
it's truly going on, you know. And I said, you
should talk to some of your nurses sometimes and just

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listen to them about the weird strange things that are happening,
because I mean, look, they're seeing ghosts from children all
the way up to the elderly. You know, some are
very peaceful, some are very angry. I mean they are
seeing just to a real, you know, litmus test of

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paranormal activity around them, and yet they're not supposed to
believe in that because of their job, and they can't
talk about it because of their job.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yeah, it's really funny. I used to hang out at
a bar, a haunted bar, actually, the Winking Judge in Hamilton, Ontario,
and there were a group of regulars that I hung
out there with, right and you get to know them,
you know what they did. And one of them was
a nurse and she found out that I wrote these

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kinds of books and she's like, oh, if you ever
do a book about haunted hospitals, I got some stories
to tell you about Saint Joe's where she worked. And
I'm like, oh, that's so great. I will. And then
a few years later I'm working on the book and
I said, Okay, I'll buy your drinks, dinner, whatever you want.
I just want to hear some of these stories. And
she goes nope, And I said don't worry. I'll anonymiuze you.

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I won't use your name, I won't mention anything. And
she's like, nope, I'm not. I was like, but but,
but but you tease me that you had these great stories.
And and I think part of sometimes people don't want
to share the stories because sharing the stories makes them
more real.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
That makes a lot of sense that that does. I mean,
these are people who have to go in there each
and every day, and if it's happening that frequent, I
can understand why they don't want to bring that energy
to them at work where it starts happening more and
more frequently.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Yeah, it is so funny. I was at a writer's
conference in Saint Pete Beach, Florida. Just I got back
on Sunday or Monday morning around this time, and I
was talking to a writer there who knew I wrote
paranormal ghost stories, and they were sharing a story of
a family member who is a nurse, who had a

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habit of when somebody died, they always always cracked window open.
I always wanted to open the windows of the spirit
could get out that they always had an easy way
to get out. And there was this one time where
the there was a two layered window and they'd open
the one window but not the other, and they actually
saw these handprints inside. And again it's that there's just

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a space that there's no way a hand could fit
inside there. And it fogged up. They heard a thump
and they saw these handprints inside the window, and I
was like, Okay, that's kind of a weird thing. So
the ghost made it all the way into the at
least that the past the first pain, but not past
that second pain because it was still sealed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
And it makes you wonder what nurses and doctors, mainly
nurses have seen, you know, you know, I look at,
say somebody who works as a nurse or a carriaid
inside let's say a hospice or an elderly you know
care facility where you know, they they know when the

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patients are going. And I remember, you know, talking to
you know, some of the nurses when my mother passed away,
that they knew, they know when somebody is getting close.
They could feel it around the room. They can they said,
there's an energy change that goes on. Have you talked
to any nurses about that energy change? And what have
they said?

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Uh, it's sort of. Yeah. It's it's almost like that
feeling of static electricity in the air. There's there's a
feeling that you can feel, but it's it's there and
you can't describe. It reminds me of somebody we were
sitting up talking one night. It was very very quiet,
and I remember she said listen. I said what, She goes,

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it's snowing outside, and I said, oh, yeah, it is.
And I didn't know what it was about the sound,
because snow doesn't It's not like it was a storm
where it was like pelting, you know, ice pellets hitting.
It was just a soft, white, fluffy snow. But for
some reason, the sound that was coming from outside in

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the city, it was different. It seemed a little bit muffled,
and we knew it was snowing, so we opened the
curtains and said, yep, it's snowing. And I think it's
that sort of feeling like you know it's there, but
you don't know how you know it's there. If that
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I totally get that, totally get that. I wonder how
many of them have actually watched spirits leave the human body.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't talked to anyone directly who's
seen that. But I've heard them talk about feeling feeling
something past them right on the way out, as if
some sort of energy mass was flowing. And that's the
thing we don't We don't really understand or or can see.

(01:10:55):
You know. I've read some great science fiction where where
you know, you can potentially they have some technology to
capture the soul wave and stuff like that. But that's
something we still can't comprehend. And I think I liken
it too. There are I'm a big beer nerd, craft
beer nerd. I love beer, but I can't really talk

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about the flavors and that tastes and notes. It's the
same with a wine lover. Yeah, I like this wine.
It's sweet, stride, it's whatever. But there are some people
who taste the wine and they go, oh, there's notes
of cinnamon and chestnut and all this whatever and a
little bit of this and a little bit of that.
And I was going, it just tastes good. I like it.

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And I think there are some people whose taste buds
are so refined that they can pick up on things
like that. And I think potentially our perception of the
spirit world, there are people who are gifted in the
way that they can see and experience and feel things
that the rest of us can't. Just like that, you know,

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wine connoisseur or somalier who understand stands what's going on
where the rest of us just go yep, that's a
dry red you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
It reminds me of people who play guitar, who could
tell the difference between a gibbson the sound of between
a Gibson and a Fender. It's the long guitar battle.
What's better? What sounds better the Fender or the Gibson.
I listened to it, I can't tell a difference, But
to those who have perfected their ear to it, it's

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amazing what they hear exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
My best friend in Ottawa is that way when it
comes to vinyl and really good stereo systems and picking
up on things where I just go, it's a song,
I like it, It's good he's listening to He's listening
to it at a whole deeper level.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Tell me a couple of your favorite haunted hospital ghost
stories from your book.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
I think my favorite happened is I was on a
late night radio talk show like this one that goes
on from midnight till three in the morning in Eastern
and I was talking about toms of terror, hunted bookstores
and library book And then there was an open call
session at the very end of the story and a

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caller had called in and wanted to share a story.
He was from Alberta and he had worked at a
hospital in and of course I can't remember the name
of the hospital. I have to look it up because
it's been so many years since since this book came out.
This was in Pinoka, Alberta. And he shared a story

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on the show that was so chilling. Now Liz was
in the other room sleeping. I'm in the living room
by myself with most of the lights off. It was
just radio. It wasn't like a video. And as he's
telling the story, my hairs are standing on edge. And
I talked to the producer at the end of the
show and said, would they be willing to talk to
me because I am working a book, a Hunted Hospital Stories.

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And I managed to get the book. I managed to
get the story in the book. So in a nutshell,
the tale was there was a woman who was at
this hospital and it was it was a hospital for
kind of. It was sort of an asylum, and she
was there for most of her life, and a lot
of people believe she was possessed. She would have these

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uncontrollable rages where she had the strength of like ten
people and she would just throw people off them and
had to be sedated regularly so she didn't hurt herself
or other people. There were times when she would go
into a room and she would start to complain about
the cold, and you'd walk in there and it was
completely freezing, so they'd move her to a different room.
Lo and behold, the room she moved into suddenly became freezing,

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and the other room was warm again. But the incident
he shared that kind of got us was he was
doing his rounds one night, just kind of you know,
he was sitting in the TV room and every once
in a while twenty minutes get up and go and
do some rounds. And as he's walking by her room,
he hears voices, because they were often she would often

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talk to people that weren't there, but he heard a
male voice in her voice, and he was like, that's weird.
Did another patient get into her room? So he opens
up the door, walks into her room, and he sees
she's in the room alone and she's sleeping, but she's
standing on the wall about four feet up, her feet

(01:15:30):
around the wall. She's sticking out into the room. Her
hair is hanging down over her face. She's completely still.
And all he does at that point is he just
backs up, closes the door, goes into the TV room,
and doesn't say anything until this radio program, which this
is like years later, but he's listening to the radio program,

(01:15:52):
he's hearing some hospital stories, decides to share this story.
He had never said anything. Anyways, I ended up after
this conversation. I ended up talking to the producer getting
this person's phone number, and it was okay for me
to call them, So I arrange a phone call with
him about two weeks later. Not only does he share
more details about the story and the hospital and just

(01:16:15):
so I can help flesh out a chapter about it,
but he said that somebody else who worked at the hospital,
because he didn't tell anyone about this, they heard his voice,
they heard the story, they knew who he was, and
they approached him afterwards and said, I didn't tell anyone either,

(01:16:35):
but I had a very similar experience, and this other
person had this experience where they were again they were
working a night shift and they were doing the tours.
They thought they heard voices coming from a room, and
they walked into her room and she was sleep standing,
but this time she was sleep standing completely vertical, but
she was floating about six inches off the floor and

(01:16:58):
again sleeping, and again this person backed out of the room,
didn't say anything to anyone, and it wasn't until they
compared their stories that they thought, Okay, I'm not crazy.
I actually saw this. This is something so that that's
got to be one of my favorite haunted hospital stories,
only particularly because of the way it came to me,
you know, in a conversation like this, and then the

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way that the way that when the first person shared
their story, that allowed the other person to have that
release too. You know, there's that relief to say, oh
my god, that happened to me too, And that's such
a powerful thing as well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
The idea that you walk into a room and somebody
is levitating. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
That's yeah. I mean I was like, I'm glad I'm
not the only one who saw that, right, Like, that's
the feeling they have, so that there's some there's something
really important in that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
I think too, Oh my goodness, what are some of
the hospitals you cover in this look?

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
We talk so we even include prisons, So we include
because there was a time when hospitals and prisons were
all merged together. We talk about the Carlton Jail in Ottawa,
one of the most haunted buildings in Canada. Right, that's
one of the ones that we talked about, which has
a lot of intriguing stories and you can stay there.
It's a hospital, you can stay there for relatively cheap.

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We talk about the Charles Campcil Hospital in Edmonton, Alberta.
And and that was a genesis for this book because
Ronda and I were at a conference in Calgary and
she learned that, you know, we're talking about the haunted books.
And she leans over and whispers, she goes, I live
near a haunted hospital. And I leaned back in and
I said, Oh, tell me more. And then, you know,

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we end up talking about haunted hospitals. And then and
then we're like, hey, maybe there's a book here. And
it kind of came out of that. There's the Golf Hospital,
which is in Lethbridge. There's the the Victoria hospital in
Halifax as well. Some interesting stories there are Hamilton as well,

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and it was so funny I can share a story
from the Haunted Hamilton or it didn't make it in
Haunted Hamilton. I was doing an event at a library
for Haunted Hamilton, and oftentimes when I do events and
talk about those, there will be people who kind of
stay off in the back and they wait till everyone
else is gone and then they approach me and they

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it's usually because they say, well, I've got to tell
you about this weird thing that happened to me. I
didn't want anyone else to hear it. And so this
gentleman was waiting and he came up and said, oh,
I worked at the psychiatric hospital on Hamilton Mountain back.
It was closed and he was just it was connected
through this underground tunnel to another hospital that was on

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that site, and he was just doing his tour and
this is in the seventies. He's walking the tour and
he heard voices in one of the rooms and then
he went to check it out out this one night
and he opened it up and he saw two people
standing there. There was a nurse standing there, and then
there was just a person in playing clothes, and the

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person in playing clothes looked at him, then looked back
at the nurse and said, see, I told you he
could hear us. And then they disappeared.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
And so that kind of freaks. And as he's moving
out of that section, like getting out of there, like
he's not sure what's happening, he felt this incredible force,
it's almost like a wind pushing him. And to get
him out of there, what he did is he left
the building at that point, he ran across the street

(01:20:39):
to the corner. He called his boss and he quit.
He's like, I'm not going back in there. And so
it was interesting because that story ended up in Haunted Hospitals.
But it's not in Haunted Hamilton because I didn't have
it when I was writing Haunted Hamilton. I only had
it because I was talking about Haunted Hamilton. Those are

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funny stories too, when that sort of thing can happen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
What's the creepiest story you've heard of the hospitals?

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Yeah, I think there's one in Illinois, Kentucky, Kentucky. It's
the Waverly Hills Sanitatorium and and that and again, this
is one of the chapters that Ronda had written, but
the subtitle for that chapter was the most Haunted location

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on Earth. And there's just so many different stories. But
that's the first time I've I've found some really intriguing
tales about the shadow people that allegedly live in that
area or in different areas of that hospital. There's a

(01:21:50):
body shoot associated with the hospital that has some intriguing
stories and even some intriguing urban legends. And urban legends
are also fun because they got to be based on something, right,
what's that I said?

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
You'd think?

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
So, yeah, yeah, there's like did it come from some
sort of actual experience? Maybe it got expanded upon, but
the yeah, like the Waverley, when I look at the Waverley,
I'm just digging through the book. Here is like there's
stories about the first floor, there's stories about the second floor.
There's stories about the ghost of Timmy, the small child

(01:22:32):
on the third floor who was allegedly a patient who
had died there, and there's even videos where people claim
to have caught Timothy. But the most fascinating story was
the ghost of Mary, who appears on the third floor
as well. And this is they're not sure if she's
Mary Lee or Mary Higgs, but she believed this is

(01:22:55):
a woman who died on that floor, and she plays
hide and seek with visitors. And there's even some spectral
photographs of Mary that you can kind of see her
down the hall of this abandoned hallway looking at looking
at them. And when you look at the picture of
the patient and you look at the picture of Mary
the ghosts, which we did publish those in the book,

(01:23:18):
you realize like, oh my god, is that her? And
this is where I think, this is where there's still
a shadow on the floor where her body or where
she had died that they can't they couldn't clean up
as well. So intriguing intriguing tales.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Yeah, no kidding, no kidding. Out of all the ghost
stories that you have covered, we got about a minute
to go here, right, is there one that stands out
for you? One that just kind of tugs at your
heart or maybe just creeps you out you don't even
like discussing it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Yeah, there's there's one that tugs at the heart, which
I'll have to tell you about after the break. But
then there's another that probably scared me the most as
I was researching it and as I was sitting there
at two in the morning putting the story together, and
it scared me in such a way that I wanted

(01:24:19):
to sit and sleep in my chair in the light
in this basement office instead of going through the dark
and trying to make my way back into bed.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Well, let's get to that when we return on spaced
Out Radio. That sounds like a good place to segue
into our break, to keep the audience intrigued until the
next half hour when you can spill the beans on
this one. Because you know the paranormal, it's easy to
have fun with it, but it could be very creepy
as well. So I mean, I think it's something that

(01:24:50):
we definitely need to investigate a little bit more. Mark
Leslie is our guest tonight on spaced Out Radio. We
have them till the top of the hour. His website
is Mark Leslie dot ca A, not dot com dot
ca A. Make sure you check it on out. You
can order his books right on his site. It's a

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great time if you go into the paranormal adventure. You're
listening to Space Down Medio with your homes Dave Scott,

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all right, my man, we're clear.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Yeah. I thought I thought i'd tease a couple out
before the break.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Oh for sure, that was good timing, man, good timing.
I'm having a lot of fun with you tonight, my man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Yeah. This has been this has been great. I've even
gotten some comments from folks. Erica had mentioned the SS
Eastland Chicago nineteen fifteen ghost ship ghost. Someone had pointed
out Sue Saint Marie, which I still have to research
in terms of So it was like, this is great.
I'm making notes for things I have to look into.

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So thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
There you guys, there are people off the coasts of
Newfoundland and Labrador who still claim to see Titanic sailing by.
Oh wow wow, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
I you know, it's funny. When I was writing the
Ottawa book, you know there's a connection to the shadow
Laureer in the Titanic.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
I'm sure you've heard that tale as well. But that
was a that was a that was a heartwarming and
touching story. And I think the reason that he's one
of the alleged ghosts there is he never did make
it back for the grand opening after doing all that
all that work.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Do you consider yourself a paranormal investigator or just an
enthusiast who gets to write about it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
I I'm I think of myself more as an enthusiast
than an investigator. I've only I've gone with some some
actual proper investigators who do you know, they have the
equipment and and and and they're professional in their approach.
I'm more of a hobbyist and I like to go
along with them, and I learned from them. But I

(01:27:33):
don't consider myself an investigator. So yeah, more like a
citizen who and who who goes along on a ride
along with the detectives.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
I'm usually the same way. I call myself an enthusiast.
But in kind of taking the lead on this project
that we're working on out here, it's been it's been
a complete change of thought and a complete change of
how to do things because we're kind of learning on

(01:28:05):
the fly as we go because we're not investigators. Man Like, Yeah,
the ship we have had happen while we have not
been on camera. He's ridiculous. It's ridiculous the stuff we
haven't caught on camera compared to the stuff we have.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Yeah, that is Yeah, I went I was in a
haunted for a con. Once I was in a haunted
allegedly a haunted hospital or a hotel in Niagara Falls,
New York, and the Little Ghost of Angela. Two in
the morning. My friend of mine and I who are

(01:28:51):
into horror, and she had one of the little if
oh my god, yeahf readers, and we were trying to
conjure Angela and get her to speak speak to us
walking around in the morning. We got nothing except we
were both on a panel talking about pardon Me Canadian

(01:29:14):
horror the next day and she had that the reader
on the desk in front of us, and while we
were talking about Canadian ghost stories, it started going off
and we're like, sure she shows up. Now he's giving
us something.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Now always the case, we had a situation where it's
a funny story from our from our area where we were.
We decided to take a break after walking in the
forest and walking into two areas where we couldn't breathe

(01:29:52):
in the middle of forest. It was like there was
no air in it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Yeah. So we go back to our base camp. We
sit up in our chairs and we're preparing to go
set up a trail camera. So Tim puts the camera
down and something we hear, something big move in the trees,
probably thirty five yards from us, and it starts farting,

(01:30:16):
and it starts ripping ass and Tim and I are
looking at each other and looking at the trees, looking
at each other, looking at the trees, and I'm like,
can you believe this? Right now? I said, you're not rolling?

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
He goes Nope. About twelve to fifteen second fart of
an animal right in the trees. It would have been
perfect for our film, would have been perfect. I had
to blame it on Tim. But nonetheless, all right, here
we go with the next half hour. Here we go

(01:31:04):
with the second half of spaced Out Radio tonight. My
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(01:31:52):
where you can find all of his incredible books. Dad
to your library. Mark, thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
It's great to chat with you. Dave. The hour and
a half has gone by so fast.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Thank you. That's a compliment. That really is a compliment
to a good conversation, and you're a big part of that.
Stories that really tugged the strings of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Yeah, the first one is more touching, and that is one.
It was something we found in Spooky, Saidbury, And it
was just this story of a mother who shared the
story of her little girl, and her little girl was

(01:32:36):
singing this song and the mother said, well, where did
you hear this song? Because the mother remembered that that
was a song that her father sang to her and
she loved and it made her feel so special, and
she had just kept that in her heart. She hadn't
really told anyone about it. That was a special thing

(01:32:57):
between her and her father, and her father passed away
before her daughter was born, and one of her biggest
regrets was her father never got to see her beautiful
little daughter. And she's daughter singing this song and the
mother said, what where did you sing this song? And
she's like, Oh, that really nice man that I see

(01:33:17):
in those pictures on the wall. He comes and sings
them to me before I go to bed. Oh, and
they helped me sleep. And there's a beauty in that
story that the child has no idea. This is her
grandfather who is there singing the same song he sang
to his daughter. And so again it's not creepy or

(01:33:38):
eerie at all, but it's beautiful and it's that human
connection that can exist beyond you know, the world that
we know. So that's one that just sticks with me
when I think about the beauty of what we can
have in these ghostly tales.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Has it really opened up your mind to an after life?

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
I think so, especially when you when you look at it.
Almost pretty much every culture around the world there are
stories about after life ish stories or stories of and
you know what happens when when we pass, you know,
when we shuffle off this mortal coil. And so I
think ghost stories are also hope. I mean, whether you're

(01:34:27):
religious or not, there are people who more and more
inclined to at least listen or lean in. You start
talking about ghost stories, even if they're skeptical, Like Liz
is very skeptical about these things, but she she also
knows that, you know, there is something more out there
that we just can't understand. We just haven't figured it
out yet. So I think there's something. I think there's

(01:34:50):
something universal in that in all of us, and in
a world that needs more connectivity and people to listen
and connect with one another more, I think ghost stories
can be one of those things that we can have
in common.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
How about a story that just would make you go,
I'm never going there again.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
That one. I've never been there, and thank goodness because
the building's no longer there, but I've never been on
the lot and I'm not going to go there. This
is a story I was writing for Haunted Hamilton, and
so I was working full time as a bookseller at
the time, and so to get the book done, I
had to take some days off work, and otherwise I

(01:35:36):
was just working until two in the morning, you know,
on the book to get it into the publisher on time.
And I had these old newspaper photocopies of the Hamilton
spectator of this story that had actually been documented in
the newspaper in the seventies, and the story, this man

(01:35:58):
wakes up and he hears his wife in the bed
beside him screaming, and he looks over and she's like
just looking up at the ceiling and screaming and panicking,
and he thinks she might be like not again, a
comba or whatever, but she's not responsive at all until
he finally snaps her out of it and he says,
what's wrong, and she said, there was this this woman

(01:36:19):
was floating over the bed. She was staring right down
at me, and I felt like I couldn't move, just
terrified her. And it continued to happen, night after night
after night she would wake up in the middle of
the night this woman would be hovering, and a few
times when she woke up, she screamed and the woman
took off and she would disappear off into the corner

(01:36:41):
of their bedroom, like into the wall. And eventually, as
she got to see the woman more and more, she
only saw the sort of the top half of her
body in her arms, and she had those deep, sunken,
dark eyes and this long, gray, scraggly hair, and that's
what she kept seeing. And there was an illustration of

(01:37:03):
you know, artists rendition of this in the paper and
that I had that picture with me. Anyways, as the
story goes, they brought in exorcists. They brought in like
a team from the US came into Hamilton, Ontario to
do some research and priests and stuff like that to
try to bless the house, try to figure things out.
They brought in mediums, and the mediums seemed to pick

(01:37:24):
up some sort of sensitivity about this woman who was
looking for something. She was missing something and she was
just continually looking for it, and she was trying to
communicate with this other woman who was a mother that
there was something important there. That's all that the medium
came up with. Flashed to ten years later. There's a

(01:37:49):
picture of this man who was the husband, and it's
standing in this wreckage of this building that was taken down,
and he's holding a piece of a tombstone in his hand,
and they found out the tombs based on details from
the tombstone. This was a woman who had actually broken

(01:38:09):
her legs and was in a wheelchair for most of
her life. Thus that only the upper part of her
body worked. So there's that part of the ghost. Her
children had died young. And what had happened is when
the building was being built on part of the graveyard,
they had dug part of the tombstones of her children

(01:38:30):
into the wall, and those tombstones were in the wall,
that very same wall that they disappeared into. And so
this whole long story of this drama just because of
these the tombstones. I call that chapter the Tombstone Ghost.
So as I'm writing the story, it was still a
sort of a touching, sort of a touching ending when
they actually found out what happened. But what happened was

(01:38:54):
I finished writing the chapter and I was just thinking
about opening my eyes and waking up and seeing this ghost,
the spectral figure, and then looking at the sketch that
was made. We know the power of a really good artist, right,
And I was so scared. I didn't want to go
up to bed. I was too scared. I didn't want
to walk through the dark. I sat in my chair

(01:39:15):
and I thought, well, I could sleep in the chair
with the lights on, that'll be fine. Actually stayed there
for an hour and I was actually shaking. And it
is the most afraid I've ever been writing about something
to a place I hadn't been to, and I'd only
experienced through these articles and interviews, And as I was
putting it all together, I just kept imagining it, and

(01:39:36):
that just that one. Really, it still scares me to
this day.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
What's the greatest ghost story in Canada? Never told?

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Oh geez, what is the greatest ghost story Canada? Never told?
Well that's well, it's never been told. So how am
I going to find that one?

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Well, one maybe you haven't written about, or when you've
heard about, you know that you just haven't had an
opportunity to do anything with.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Well, you know what, the Montreal form one sounds really
cool to be quite honest, the one that you had.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Mentioned early, Well me let me throw a couple at you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
When when I was a kid in elementary school, there
was a book out there of the lost treasure of
Castle Looma, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and there was always
talk about ghosts being there. And nobody ever talks about
the ghosts of Castloma or the Niagara Falls battlefield between

(01:40:40):
the French and English, which was just almost as deadly
as many of the Civil War battles. People still hear
the cannons going off today.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
That's intriguing that you mentioned that I'm familiar with the
Stony Creek battlefield closer to Hamilton, but not Niagara One. Yeah,
that is intriguing, actually, I think. I mean that's the beauty.
And I discovered this earlier this year. I had to drive.
I drove across Canada. I had to do a talking
to New Brunswick in the spring, so I drove because

(01:41:16):
I had never been there. I'd only been to Nova Scotia,
and I got to see quite a bit more of
the eastern part of Canada. And then my wife and
I drove back from Vancouver Island and all the way
across the Prairies, etc. I mean, there's just so many
undiscovered places in Canada alone. Then you add on top

(01:41:39):
of it all of the really cool legends and lore
and stories, not to mention the stories we barely know
or barely even have access to unless we listen to
the people who've been here on these lands for thousands
of years before.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Right. I think one of the most creepy ones I've
heard from British Columbia was I was talking to a
couple of First Nations people from up in Fort Saint John,
which is way up north by the Yukon border. And
they were telling me when I get an opportunity to

(01:42:15):
talk to First Nations people, I always try and lead
it into sasquatch or dog man or star people or
whatever it may be. And I said to these two gentlemen,
I said, do you have any creepy stories? And they said, well,
you know, we don't got a lot of sasquatch stories

(01:42:37):
from up there, but we do have one. And I said, well,
what is it? And they start telling me about how
when they were children, they were told as it got
to dusk and dark not to go into the trees
because that's when the green men would come and get you.

(01:43:00):
And apparently these green men were like almost reptilian like,
and you know, between five and eight feet tall, and
some of them had their skin glowing, others did not,
and they would hunt you down at night and take
you away and you'd never be seen again.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
Oh oh man, okay, that's creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
Yeah that one scared me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
Yeah, oh man. Yeah, that's stuff like that where you
just hear it and go, oh okay. The reason these
stories get passed along.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Right, oh absolutely absolutely. And if you look at it,
you know, And that's what I think for a lot
of our American listeners and even our European listeners who
are tuning in. You know, there are so many of
these legends around Canada that you don't know of, from
ghost trains to to First Nations legends, that of the

(01:44:02):
monsters that they talk about. I mean, there is so
much going on that is weird and strange, but it
just doesn't get the opportunity because it's expensive. Never mind
the stories, but it's expensive for these camera crews and
these TV crews to all of a sudden head up
north into Alberta or Manitoba, or British Columbia or even

(01:44:25):
northern north western Ontario where there isn't a large population.
There isn't a lot of roads. There isn't even motels, okay,
so you have to rent a motor home and it
costs an expense and power and gear and everything. It's
expensive to film up here.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
Yeah, so a lot of it is yet uncaptured.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
I think my concern of it all, Mark, and maybe
you have this concern too, is as we start seeing
these metropolises grow and grow and grow, whether it's in
the United States, whether it's in Canada, North America in general.
The thing that I worry about, for the love of

(01:45:09):
this topic is how many of these stories are we
losing because we are not talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Them right right, that they just they disappear as we
expand and grow in a different way. And it's so
funny when when I think about my love of ghost stories,
I remember the fact that in high school I was

(01:45:37):
constantly failing history class. I couldn't find anything interesting in
the way that history was taught. And it wasn't until
I went on my very first ghost walk in Ottawa
on Sparks Street, and you know, Ottawa obviously lots of great,
lots of great history with the you know, the nation itself,
and I realized for the first time that you can't

(01:45:58):
tell a good ghost story with understanding history. And I
learned to love history and the people and all of
these untold tales, at least as far as I was concerned,
because they were usually wrapped in a ghost story, and
that was really powerful for me.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Scott here in our chat room states first Nation's legend
of Little People. I've seen and heard them in wiki
on Manitoulin Island, Ontario.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Thank you, Thank you, Scott. That's going to be something
I look up for the ghost Stories of the Great
Leaks wiki on Manitoulin Island. Thank you, just making a
note here.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Let's get to a couple of audience questions here. Let's
go and start with Stargazer here, Mark, are you familiar
with the abandoned State Asylum in Yukaya, California? If not,
you need to look into it be a great place
to investigate. I heard they did mk ultra experiments there.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Oh wow, No, I don't think. I don't think we
wrote about that. It doesn't sound familiar. But yeah, we
just did the Lincoln Heights jail in the US. No,
so thank you for that. No, that sounds very intriguing.
Making a note of that one as well.

Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
When next time you're on the West coast, check out
the ghosts of Ocalla.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Yeah, it's now turned into a townhouse complex, but the
former ocala prison because back in the day when Canada
had capital punishment, they had a hanging gallows there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
Oh intriguing.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Yeah, people say there's a lot of old criminals walking
around those places. Couldn't pay me to live there. That's okay,
all right, let's get to another question here. Let's go
to T Bone, who is asking, are you worried about attachments?

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Yeah, I am. I guess it's a it's it's sort
of a risk that one takes when when they do that. Now, again,
I don't go into a lot of haunted locations myself,
but I have written about books that were haunted. You know,
go to use bookstore and you bring a book and
you bring a ghost home with you. So and I

(01:48:23):
have been researching for a Haunted Item collection of stories
about haunted items as well. So I am, yeah, I
am worried about that T Bone. You know, you never
know what can I can come home with you, what
can be connected to you as well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
D Saifa asked a question, have you ever seen orbs
in connection with the ghosts?

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
I've always been skeptical about orbs. However, I was doing
an event with some local paranormal paranormal group. They wanted
to interview me for their podcast, but they wanted to
do it in a haunted theater near a Laura, Ontario,
and so I met up with them there and I
travel with a plastic skeleton, but life sized skeleton Barnaby Bones.

(01:49:09):
When I do a lot of events. He's there because
then you see the skeleton, you know, the guy's probably
a horror writer or whatever. Anyway, so it was kind
of funny. We've sat Barnaby in the theater and we're
sitting there near the stage, and we got all the
equipment and we're going to record the podcast. And then
he pulls out his phone and he says, look, look
at the orb lights on my phone. And they're coming

(01:49:31):
out of the ground right near where Barnaby is sitting,
and they're shooting up into the ceiling. They weren't just
floating around right, you know, like dust particles or whatever
in the air capturing. And I'm thinking, these guys know
I'm a big chicken. It's an app on his phone,
because there are some apps that can show you ghosts
and stuff like that that are just more for fun
and frivolity. And I was like, he's just trying to

(01:49:52):
pull one over and get me scared. So I open
up my own phone and I pointed at Barnaby and
on the screen, I see, now here's the thing I
can't understand, and I haven't I've done research, and I
can't figure this out. It's not a floating orb that
you sometimes see, and I've talked about that in the
Bell Mansion in Sudbury and some orbs that appear in

(01:50:12):
photographs there. But this was like this weird straight lines
of light that were shooting up in a very specific direction.
They weren't just floating around, and I can't figure out.
I can't find anything to explain what tech phenomenon it
might be on my phone, if it's if it was

(01:50:33):
a glitch or what that is. I haven't seen any
stories about it, so that. Yeah, I've seen some light orbs,
but can't figure out what the heck they were.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
Hmm, all right, let's move over to Mike here. He's
a good Ontario kid. Are there any weird stories about
the Great Lakes doing your research here in Northern Ontario,
specifically Sue Saint Marie and around the lakes in that area.

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Yeah, some stuff that the Macana Island as well, which
is just on the other side. And there there were
a few from Sue Saint Marie that I made notes of,
but I haven't researched yet, but I'm definitely going to
look forward to it. Unfortunately, I was supposed to visit
Sue Saint Marie a few weeks ago, but Highway seventeen

(01:51:19):
was shut down as I was coming around. I was
coming around Lake Superior, so I had to turn around
and go up by Way eleven all the way all
the way north. So, Mike, I'm hoping to make it
to Sue Saint Marie in early November so I can
get some research done, and I'm hoping to get some
more details about some stories there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
You know about fifteen years ago. Sixteen years ago, now,
I'd never traveled east. I'd only been in the West. Oh, yeah,
and yeah, And so I grew up in a family
where my dad feared flying, so we had to drive
everywhere for holidays, so I never got to fly anywhere.

(01:52:00):
And I remember my first time seeing the Great Lakes.
I didn't realize how massive they were until you actually
saw them. It was absolutely incredible. I think we got
time for one more question here. Let's go to Luna here,
who is asking do you think ghosts pick and choose

(01:52:21):
who they show up to in terms of their energetic frequency, character,
et cetera. You think some ghosts choose victims because they
are good messengers.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Yeah, I suspect I suspect that or I mean, maybe
do they choose or is it that the person has
the ability and does the ghost even know that they
have the ability to see them? Like? Are they reaching
out to other people and they just can't see them?
I think potentially, in certain circumstances, I would love to believe,

(01:52:53):
as somebody who grew up reading about superhero vigilantes, that
potentially there's ghosts of chulanties out there too, that specifically
choose victims who deserve to be scared because of some
things that they did, you know, haunting you know, like
Edgar Allan post stories haunting the person who did them ill?

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Can we get one more in? Let's try, Paul. The
United States Navy has quite a presence on the Great Lakes.
Any stories from service members that you're going to go after.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
Not yet, Paul, but that is something I plan on exploring.
I'm sure I'm going to get some tales from people
obviously who spend a lot of time on the lake.
So I'm going to be reaching out if you have
any contacts, Paul, love to get a hold of some
because I'm sure they've got some really intriguing tales that
they'd be able to share.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
I want to say a big thank you Mark for
coming on spaced Out Radio. I know you have a
flight in the morning that you need to catch to
Utah for another conference, but I want to say thank you.
It was not only a pleasure to meet you, but
just to have a lot of fun talking some ghosts
and paranormal experiences with you.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
It's been absolutely a blast. I am honored that you
had me on the show. Thank you so much, and
it was great to spend a couple hours chatting with you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
Do me a favor twenty five seconds. Tell everybody where
they can find your books.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
You can ask for them at any local library, but
you go to Mark Leslie dot Ca or just search
for Mark Leslie on various websites and they're available in
many different formats paperback, hardcover, ebook, audiobook.

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
That is amazing. Thank you very much for coming on
spaced Out Radio. Mark, safe travels in the morning for
you as you make your way to Utah. Coming up
next on spaced Out Radio, we're going to kick things
off Swamped Well, there's going to be here. Then Robin
Haines will be in for the Cryptid Q and A.
We always have fun with Robin don't we. Spaced Out

(01:54:55):
Radio continues with our three. Next you're listening to spaced
Out Radio with your host Scott. Great job tonight, my friend.

(01:55:21):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Oh, thank you. I really appreciate it. I'd love to
stick around for the rest of the chap, but I
need to get my beauty ugly sleep. It's not beauty sleep,
I just roll and everything. It's really ugly.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
When your ghost book on the Great Lakes comes out,
let us know we'd like to have you back on.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
Definitely send you a copy when it comes out, and
for sure appreciate. Thank you and thanks everyone for great
questions and comments.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
All right, my friend, you take care, safe flight. Thanks
by by Mark Leslie. Everybody. Let's bring in the dirty one.
Look at that beauty by Dirty Filth. He so dirty,
you're dirty, and then he mutes himself. I'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (01:56:13):
I had to make sure that the music wasn't playing,
otherwise we get striked and that'd be the entire end
of the thing. And Dave would not pay me and
my slices of pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
Mm hm.

Speaker 5 (01:56:24):
So, as I said previously, here is Carl and Allen
driving up to Gates c seventeen it'll hear airport.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
In Chicago.

Speaker 5 (01:56:36):
So this is the November cartoon for next year. So
if you buy the car mm hmm, if you buy
the calendar next year, this.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
Is gonna be it. Otherwise it's gonna go into.

Speaker 5 (01:56:50):
The collection and it'll be there in the future. I
hope everyone's having a wonderful evening. I went out and
I had a slice pizza four and.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
Yeah, it was a good night.

Speaker 5 (01:57:06):
Let's dig into what everyone's doing here. Normally I'm not, honestly,
Usually I'm tucked into bed watching a spooky movie. The
cats are piled on me. Mark's dexter. I'm not sure
the v Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I have
to rewatch the show. Anyways, this coming Saturday, I will

(01:57:36):
be drawing cartoons.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
Hold on one second.

Speaker 5 (01:57:40):
Here, the gargoyle is out of control. I have this bag.
It's been a's a It's a plastic bag. The gargoles
had it for about like two years now, and it's
basically a second fortress, because the gargoyle has multiple fortresses
in side my house. If everyone's wondering who the gargoyle is,

(01:58:04):
it's my gray cat. And here he comes and there
he goes.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
Like lightning.

Speaker 5 (01:58:12):
Anyways, Gargoyle's out of control. Cats are out of control.
You're late for snacks, And once Davey gets back here,
snacks will be delivered and the cats will be happy.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:58:30):
Anyways, Oh yeah, I was gonna I.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
Was gonna show off my book a little bit more.

Speaker 5 (01:58:36):
Here some of the cartoons that were in it, as
I promised previously.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
By the way, you can go to.

Speaker 5 (01:58:49):
Just go to Amazon, plug in Cryptid cartoons and you
can find my book, second book or the first book.
Get a Bigfoot cartoon starring Bigfoot and the Man in Black.

(01:59:09):
Also one second here, But if I must show something,
look a look at the nice ass on the Man
in Black. There, look at that nice and tight And
look at Sasquatch all in a mass all the way
out of the forest. Because Bigfoot's a good guy in

(01:59:31):
the end, he really is. Anyways, hambling away here Dave
and Science Bob Adventures. There also might be some other
people in here.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
Look at that?

Speaker 5 (01:59:48):
Is that lou Elzardo? It might be lou Elzardo and
Dave And there look at that good job, Dave. You
ruined the only time traveling machine that humans had. And
then we have night crawls undertaking. Then we get the

(02:00:09):
other other cartoons. Anyways, look at that there's a little
halo around there, and do anything about it.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
What do you do?

Speaker 5 (02:00:21):
Crypto Cartoons Volume two on Amazon America, Japan. Wherever you
live in the entire universe, you can scoop one. If
you live in Alberta, I will hand deliver one to you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:37):
What if they live in Okatok's put back in there.

Speaker 5 (02:00:41):
Most importantly, you have November cartoon not even listening, Carl
Alan driving their UFO may or Man not been stolen. Well,
the second you're Dave, I'll be quiet. Oh hey, you
can stick around. You can stick around. Robin's hanging out
with us. Let's bring Robin in.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
Hi.

Speaker 7 (02:01:03):
Robin, Hey guys, good to see everybody again.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
It's been a long time.

Speaker 7 (02:01:10):
I know. I'm loving everything. Look at the backdrop, all
of it so cool.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
Yeah, it looks much better, much better. We got twenty
seven seconds. Thank you to t Bone times too fast,
Hamm Email, WD forty and Pam for the lovely super chats.
We greatly appreciate it. Robin, We're gonna do swamp Dweller here.
He'll be about three and a half minutes and then
we'll get right to you. Okay, sounds good to me perfect.

Speaker 7 (02:01:38):
I'm swamp dweller.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
I'm gonna mute you, my dear, and here we go.
Here comes the third end, final hour of spaced Out
Radio tonight. Good to have you with us. My name
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Speaker 4 (02:03:01):
I'm swamp dweller, and tonight, I'm going to take the one,
a mystic journey of the unkno sharing tales of monsters,
legends and nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:03:10):
Welcome to the space stout Radio Swamp.

Speaker 4 (02:03:15):
In the sultry summer of two thousand and two, I
was a mere eleven years old, marked by youthful curiosity
and boundless imagination. My family had embarked on a life
altering journey, forsaking the city's comforting embrace for the enigmatic
allure of a minor, isolated hamlet known as Greeley. Nestled

(02:03:37):
deep within northeast Pennsylvania's dense, foreboding woods, the whispers of
Native American tribes still lingered in the rustling leaves, in
the distant echoes of forgotten rituals, adding an eerie layer
to our new surroundings. Our time in Pennsylvania had extended
over several months, and as August drew to a close,

(02:03:57):
the imminent return to school cast a sh shadow over
the care free days of summer. On that particular night,
I was nestled in my dimly lit room, the TV
screen casting a flickering shadow across the wall. The clock's
hands suggested that it was around nine or ten in
the evening, and the world outside surrendered to inky darkness.

(02:04:21):
As the eerie silence enveloped me, a sound that shattered
the tranquility, a faint but unmistakable tapping against my bedroom window.
My heart, innocent and unaccustomed to fear, summer saulted within
my chest. Uncertainty gripped me as I tiptoed towards the
source of this sinister disturbance. Initially drawn to ward off

(02:04:44):
the darkness, the blinds now beckoned me to be raised.
With trembling hands, I gingerly lifted the blinds and gazed
into the abyss. What met my gaze was beyond my
realm of childish nightmares. Two piercing, malevolent orbs burned in
with a sinister glow, their unnatural luminescence tearing through the

(02:05:08):
shroud of night. The real back in sheer terror. Slamming
the blind shut. With frantic desperation that fueled by every motion,
seeking refuge from the unearthly presence that had violated my sanctuary,
I fled to the living room and huddled on the couch,
my heart pounding in a frantic rhythm. The dread that
descended upon me that fateful night was inescapable, and sleep

(02:05:33):
was an elusive mirage. When the first light of dawn
pierced the sky, I mustered the courage to confide in
my mother, recounting the horrors that unfolded in the darkness.
Her reassurances, though well intentioned, fell flat. She dismissed the
haunting experiences the antics of the neighbor's cat, attributing my
terror to a child's vivid imagination. However, with unwavering certainty

(02:05:57):
in that moment, I knew this was no ordinary feed
line prowler. The malevolent gaze I had encounter have been
way too high up in the trees, far beyond the
reach of any earthly cat. My young mind could not
yet comprehend the sinister forces at play that night. Years
would pass, and my understanding of the paranormal would deepen

(02:06:19):
in retrospect. I witnessed something truly evil that night, manifest
What I believe it was was a skim walker, a
shape shifting harbinger of dread. It gnaws at the edges
of my memories, a haunting specter that sends shivers down
my spine anytime I think of it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
Thank you swamp Dweller for another spooky story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to his
YouTube channel swamp Dweller hit subscribe, ring that bell. He's
got thousands of stories for you just like that. It's
time to bring in Robin. Robin Haines. It's great to

(02:07:23):
have you back on spaced out Radio. Hard to believe
it's been about a month.

Speaker 7 (02:07:26):
Thank you, I've missed you. Let us talk about the sign,
the spaced out radio sign that is tremendous.

Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:07:39):
Thank the one behind you. I don't remember that from before.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
No, So for our radio listeners who can't see what
Robin is talking about, what she can view on YouTube
you can too. Is we put a television screen in
behind me now so that way you can actually see
our logo going through a bunch of different scenarios, so

(02:08:03):
to speak. Robert, I'm going to get you to turn
your sound down just a little bit because we are
getting a little bit of feedback on that, if you
don't mind. Wet greatly appreciate that. Thank you, thank you
very much. Yes, it is.

Speaker 7 (02:08:18):
Okay, good how you been I'm good, I'm good. Have
a little bizarre sasquatch activity over here?

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
What's going on?

Speaker 7 (02:08:28):
But well, you know, it was really crazy. I have
my car, but I have my old car, and it's
out in the yard and it's I have it backed
up to this tree line and brush line, and they've
got tunnels that they've they've plowed through there, and they
play in there all the time. I mean they always

(02:08:49):
have since I've been here for the last seven years,
and the car's been there with no problem. When I
look out my window at the bedroom, I can see
it and I know how far it is. My daughter's
car is right next to it, and they sit in
exactly the same spot. There's not one ahead of it,
not one behind it. And I noticed the other day

(02:09:09):
when I went to leave, the car look like I've
been moved, and I'm like, what is going on? So
I go out there and they have pushed this car
like three feet ahead of the other car. Like I
have no idea why nobody has the keys. The keys
are locked up in a lock box so nobody can

(02:09:30):
get the keys to do it. And you can see
where it's been pushed across the ground. But the car
has literally been moved like three feet forward. It's the
strangest thing I've ever seen. Foot prints all around it,
handprints all over the car. I don't know if I
backed it up too close to where they've they've got

(02:09:51):
their brush in there and they go they've got it all,
got it out on the inside. It looks like a
giant tunnel through there. They play in it all the time.
And I don't know if I backed it up too close,
and I have no idea, but I mean it was
that morning, it was back. I looked outside a little
while later and it's moved forward.

Speaker 1 (02:10:09):
Well, that's weird.

Speaker 7 (02:10:11):
It is really strange. That's the first time that has
ever happened. Like handprints on the cars all the time, constantly,
I get some great fingerprints off of it. But the
cars literally pushed forward. And I went out there and
I looked at the ground and you can see where
it was skidded. I mean, it was pushed. And I

(02:10:32):
don't know of anything else they can move a pushed car,
or pushed on a car that's you know in park right.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Nothing creepy about that robin, not.

Speaker 7 (02:10:42):
At my place.

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
Nothing.

Speaker 7 (02:10:45):
You know, they've picked up activity the last few days.
They were kind of quiet for a little while, but
they seem to be having a good time now. So
so have you been out to your site.

Speaker 1 (02:10:56):
We haven't been out there in a couple of weeks.
Tim and I about two weeks ago, had just we
were both just worn out. Yeah, and we decided that
we were just going to take a night away from everything.

(02:11:17):
And then this past weekend we were about to go
and Tim got had one of those like eight hour
just nasty bugs that just kind of hits you.

Speaker 7 (02:11:29):
Yeah, well, that's all right, you need to break every
now and then. You've been working your tush off anyway
getting this whole setup done.

Speaker 1 (02:11:36):
Yes, yeah, it's we worked really hard. I'm going to
get you to turn your volume down just a little
bit again because we are getting some feedback back again
all of a sudden.

Speaker 7 (02:11:46):
Okay, try that all.

Speaker 1 (02:11:48):
Right, I think that's a little bit better. Maybe not.
I don't know. I don't know what's going.

Speaker 7 (02:11:53):
I don't know why it's doing. It's fine, like I
on my end, it sounds fine, but I can't tell
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
Yeah, no, on this end, it's kind of picking up
my voice a little bit.

Speaker 7 (02:12:02):
But let me see if I can turn it down
another way. That might be helpful. If I go into
the settings and do it that way. Maybe maybe that will.

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
I think just the volume are you using your phone
that way? You can just turn the volume down that way.
Robin froze herself there you are all right, yeah, we
got better, We got you. So we do plan on
going back out this weekend. And and you know what,

(02:12:37):
one of the hardest things that we have had, Robin,
is to try and find team members to join us. Yeah,
it's been very difficult to find team members, not only
because it is it a great commitment, but it's something

(02:12:57):
that the phenomena when we've brought people up there, some
people are they're very accepting of others. It's like they
don't want anything to do with them, and it's kind
of like, why did you bring this person up there?
My dad included. I brought my dad up there, you know,
because he wanted to have an experience and we found

(02:13:19):
him a sasquatch print and he thought it was one
of the greatest things ever, you know. But yeah, but seriously, though,
why is it that in certain areas like that, wonder
why the phenomena will just say, no, this area is
not for that person.

Speaker 7 (02:13:37):
It's the frequency. It really is it's and I know
I harp on the frequency all the time, but honestly,
that's what rules everything with these cryptids. It truly is.
And if they're whoever you bring up there, if their
frequency does not jive or work for the ones that

(02:13:57):
are up there, they reject them. They just don't want It.
Doesn't mean that person's a bad person. It means that
they are not comfortable with their frequency or their intent.
And you can bring up wonderful people, but if you
want to be judged, be around a sasquatch or even
a dogman, because they're going to judge you harder than anybody.

(02:14:19):
They're going to read your intent. They're going to know
your frequency and your energy level, and if it doesn't
pass their muster or if they think that, well, you
might have a good person there. But that person isn't
going to be open minded enough for them. They're done.
You know, they decide who they're going to let in
their circle.

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
Is it the connection? Is it a spiritual connection?

Speaker 7 (02:14:44):
I think some of it is, yeah, I do. I
think you know, they scan people when they come around.
They scan you not just in frequency, but your energy,
your intent, your thought process, and they go through your consciousness.
And if they think all those things will match with them,

(02:15:06):
then they're invited in. Then they're fine with it. That
could be the nicest person on planet Earth. But if
one of those things doesn't mesh with them, or if
they think that that person won't se understand them, or
that person might not accept them, they don't want anything

(02:15:27):
to do with it. They really don't. If you get
accepted by the Sasquatch, you're doing good because they are
definitely the ultimate tester, and it could be a wonderful person.
It's not always that they think this person is bad. Now,
a lot of them they'll tell you. They'll tell you,
you know, that person's okem, which means bad in their language,

(02:15:48):
and they don't want them there. But even if it's
a good person, if they don't think that spiritually or
energetically or just their thought process isn't going to work
with them, then reject them.

Speaker 1 (02:16:06):
Is it because they don't like their energy, Is it
because they don't care for the person themselves or what
they're giving off, or is it just or and I
want to add this to it, Robin, Or is it
that they just don't feel that that person is ready
for the experience.

Speaker 7 (02:16:26):
That will play a massive part in it. I have
When I was in Michigan, I let very few people
come to my property because they all walked around uncloaked
all the time. There was very rarely a time of
day you weren't going to see somebody. So I had
select people that were allowed on my property and more
that were not. And if I brought somebody on there

(02:16:49):
and they thought that they would be frightened of them,
or that mentally they would not be you know, open
enough to them, they wanted nothing to do with it.
I mean, they really for all the reasons that you listed,
you know. And the other thing is depending on which

(02:17:10):
individual comes forward, is whether or not that person's going
to be accepted. You know, just like with our people,
there's some people that we you know, we meet and
we just know right off the bat we're going to
get along with. Let somebody else come into that situation.
They may not get along with that person. It could
be just personal preference, but they do for all the

(02:17:32):
reasons that you mentioned. That has a lot to do
with it. And I think the other thing too, you know,
when you bring people in to those areas like that,
everybody has their own preconceived notions on how they want
things to flow. And they may be the most wonderful

(02:17:52):
person on the planet, but maybe in their mind they
would want you to do the research a little bit
different than what you're doing. Again, doesn't make them a
bad person. We all do things differently. However, when it
comes to sasquatch, they read your mind, they read your consciousness,
they read your intent and they know how to work

(02:18:12):
with you because how you and Tim are doing it
works beautifully with them. That's been proven. But let somebody
else come in that might have some newer ideas or
different thought process on how to do it. Not saying
their thought process is wrong, but the Sasquatch may look
at it and say, if it's not broke, don't fix it.

(02:18:34):
We like what's going on here. They like that predictability.
They don't like change. They do not do well with change.
And so if somebody comes in there with the best
of intentions and they go through and they read them
and they're like, oh, this person wants to change it
up from how we're doing, that's going to be a
no go. They are all about the predictability.

Speaker 1 (02:18:56):
So what about for Tim and I, where he and
I haven't been out there in a couple of weeks.
Is that going to make a difference.

Speaker 7 (02:19:10):
I don't think so. I think they're probably, you know,
wondering where you've been. But you know we've talked about before.
On your way out there, you're going to be talking
in your mind to them, we're coming out. We're doing this.
You know, you can be at home and talk to
them and say, sorry, we haven't been there, guys, but
we're going to be coming. We didn't forget you. Everybody's okay.

(02:19:31):
Reassure them that you're okay. They're okay, and I think
you're going to be fine. They may hesitate for a
few minutes to kind of figure out why you weren't there,
But I don't think you're going to have too many problems.
I really don't. They are very comfortable with you both.
They enjoy the interaction with you both, and your interaction
is just the magnitude of it has gotten incredible, it

(02:19:53):
really has. And you've built up a trust with them,
and you do things in a way that keeps them comfortable,
and you are somewhat predictable, and that's what they want.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
We're going to be introducing another person. Probably he's probably
the size of a sasquatch. A friend of mine named Kevin.
We're going to see how he he gets, how they
react to him. He's a very quiet individual, doesn't you
know for a man who's six foot five and probably
three hundred and fifty pounds.

Speaker 3 (02:20:28):
He is.

Speaker 7 (02:20:29):
May I make a suggestion, yes, and I found that
this has been helpful in my experiences. Doesn't mean it's
going to always work. When you bring something someone new
out there, not only are you telling introduce them, you know,
obviously hug them, give them a hug and say, look it,

(02:20:51):
I'm not being hurt. This person is safe with me.
This is a friend, you know, give him a hug.
I know it's a weird thing because it's two guys.
You don't have to grope each other, but just give
each other a quick hugs. Say look at we're friends.
I'm comfortable around them. I'm safe with them because they
are going to read off of you. Just like when
we have kids, and our kids are little, if they
fall down and skin their knee, the first thing they

(02:21:13):
do is look to the parents to see the parents reaction,
and if those parents are calm about it, they stay calm.
If the parents are panic, they panic. It's the same
thing with the sasquatch. So if they see that this
person is a friend to you and that you're comfortable
with them, like I said, give him a quick hug,
say look at he's a friend, they tend to do

(02:21:34):
a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (02:21:37):
Well, do I have no problem doing that. Let's go
to Jules here. We got three minutes to go before
we got to go to break. At the bottom of
the hour, Robin Haynes and the cryptid Q and a Robin.
Jules is asking did the sasquatch I saw want me
to see him? Or was he taken by surprise?

Speaker 7 (02:21:55):
He seem thing about he was looking at some kind
of bird or something and it was a surprise.

Speaker 1 (02:22:07):
What happens when you startle.

Speaker 7 (02:22:08):
Them depending on the individual. Some of them will just
look at you and turn and then take off. Some
will just freeze like they think if you if they
don't move, you're not going to realize they're there. Others
will make a noise to try to startle you, thinking

(02:22:29):
that gives them the upper hand. You know, a large
majority will just cloak right in front of your eyes.
It depends on the individual. They generally if you startle
them like that, they're usually not aggressive. They're more in
either that flight mode or they may yell. I had

(02:22:50):
one that a female that yelled at my son one
time because he startled her and she didn't hurt him.
She yelled at him kind of like, you know, to
get him to back off, and not being near her,
you know, which scared him because they don't usually yell
at him. But yeah, that what I'm getting is that
one was definitely surprised. And I keep seeing a bird

(02:23:13):
like I think it was focused on this bird.

Speaker 1 (02:23:18):
Makes sense? All right, Let's go to another question here
before we go to break here. Let's go to Sarah,
who is asking, do sasquatch like a high like high
vibe people.

Speaker 7 (02:23:31):
You mean like put their hand up in high five?

Speaker 1 (02:23:34):
No, like a high vibration.

Speaker 7 (02:23:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, the vibration. It's all vibration is frequency.
Everything with them comes down to frequency, energy, and intent.
I mean that's really the huge attorney factor if you
are low vibration, And honestly, I have some that I

(02:23:57):
work with and I interact with, and they will tell
you that when they're around people with a low vibration,
it gives them a headache and they don't feel good,
and it makes them feel bad and they don't want
to be around that, so they will move away from it,
and they're fearful of it. Because low vibrational people, just
like you know, the people that are not nice, unkind people,

(02:24:21):
are of a low vibration. So when they're around a
low vibrational person, they get very concerned. You know, they're
more cautious around them.

Speaker 1 (02:24:35):
Sounds good, Robin, I'm going to get you to hold
on right there, because we are going to continue with
the Cryptid Q and A on spaced Out Radio. Robin
Haynes joins us weekly at this time for a lot
of fun and questions regarding Saslatch dot Ben and any
cryptid we can find. This is spaced out Radio. We'll

(02:24:55):
be right down. This is spaced out Radio, and your
hosts name stuff. All right, we are clear, all right?

(02:25:28):
Uh night drive? How you doing? Nice to see you, Hi,
Luscious Jewels, Hi woo poo and Spiraling sixty nine, Good
to see you. Who else jumped in here late? I
just saw them?

Speaker 3 (02:25:42):
Where are they? Where are they?

Speaker 1 (02:25:43):
I just saw them? Where are you? Oh yeah, Wayne? Sacrilege?
How you doing. Hold on, oh, Robin, I accidentally muted you.

Speaker 3 (02:26:06):
I'm sorry, no problem.

Speaker 1 (02:26:10):
Do you mind sticking around for a few minutes after
the show? I got a couple questions I need to
ask you. Absolutely, thank you, JBD. How you doing. We
don't know what squatches are around here.

Speaker 7 (02:26:47):
I think I've got some new ones around here because
the dogs are out the other night, and usually they
go right to them, like if they're on the other
side of the fence, they go to the fence wag
and their tail. And they went out the other night
and they were scared. They just weren't going to get
off the porch. They would not get off the deck
at all. Their tails were wagging a little bit, but
they were a little bit concerned. So I think I've

(02:27:09):
got some new ones around here. I couldn't pick up
anything bad.

Speaker 1 (02:27:12):
That's kind of cool.

Speaker 7 (02:27:14):
Yeah, they're all moving about this time of year.

Speaker 1 (02:27:19):
Very cool. It is that time preparing for winter.

Speaker 7 (02:27:24):
Yeah, we had a heat wave here this week and
they are not happy about the heat wave. But I've
noticed when the heat wave gets really bad or if
it gets too cold, they don't really want to be
out hunting in it. And all my pet food outside disappears.

(02:27:44):
I'll go out there to check and make sure there's
food and all the bowls and stuff, and it's like gone,
it's just gone.

Speaker 1 (02:27:51):
Excuse me, sorry about that. Well that's not good.

Speaker 3 (02:27:58):
I know.

Speaker 7 (02:27:59):
Well, you know, I've got those s feral cats, and
I've got a bowl that holds like a five pound
bag of food in it, anywhere from four to five pounds,
and that will last there's only six cats out there,
it'll last them for days. I just fill it up
as needed, and I go to bed and it's completely
full to the rim. And I get up in the
morning and it's bare empty. And you know, in cats eat,

(02:28:19):
they leave crumbs. This thing looks like it lick clean.
You've got three galeon water that's empty. The food's gone,
and the cats are screaming at me like they've never
been fed. I could grief, but they run through those
tubes that they've made in the brush, and then they
go in the catpen and they get it. But they

(02:28:44):
don't ever hurt my animals. I've been you know, I've
not had problems with that.

Speaker 1 (02:28:52):
I don't bring my dog out to the forest. He's
too small. He's only like four pounds.

Speaker 7 (02:28:59):
Yeah, I've got one that's seven, and it's like he
doesn't go too far off the porch. I think he's
more intimidated by him than the other ones. I had
one pick up my daughter shits it at one time,
and it was literally carrying this dog around the woods.
Never heard it nothing. I mean I went out there

(02:29:20):
and I was like, you bring that dog. I was,
you know, like they're ever going to listen to me anyway.
And I went down the driveway thinking it was going
to take off with the dog. And when I went
down the driveway went back and set the dog on
the porch. I came back and it was just dropping
the dog off on the porch and it left, but
it didn't hurt it at all. It was just holding it.

Speaker 1 (02:29:41):
Gugway. Would have been a different story.

Speaker 7 (02:29:44):
Oh yeah, it would have been lunch. Those things are
bad news. And they llied each other, they laid anything.
They're cannibalistic, Oh nice, yep. They're like giant assassins. All
they do is kill.

Speaker 1 (02:30:04):
They need some anger management, yeah, big time.

Speaker 7 (02:30:08):
Somebody needs to be putting prozac in their food, right.
I'm surprised a lot of people are getting a lot
of interaction right now, a lot of mind speak.

Speaker 1 (02:30:26):
We got about twenty seconds to just bear with me.
Robin High Broken Shadow Feather, how are you anybody else?
Jump in here and big thank you to t Bone
times too, melwd Forty, Pam and Fast Hemmy for the
great super chats. Appreciate your love. And here we go.

(02:31:04):
We've browned third. We're heading for home tonight on spaced
Out Radio. My name is Dave Scott. Thank you very
much for tuning us in wherever you are on this
beautiful planet we call Earth.

Speaker 3 (02:31:17):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (02:31:17):
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Thank you for being here. Robin, well, thank you.

Speaker 7 (02:31:59):
May I stay one before we get started for there,
Jules had asked that he was Jewles asked the question
about if that sasquatch was startled, and it's now talking
in my head ninety miles an hour, and it's not
going to stop until I give it the message. Give
them the message when they it's said about the bird,

(02:32:19):
it's being really specific about a bluebird. I don't know
what the significance of this being a bluebird is. Maybe
the person knows. I have no idea. It's just going
You didn't tell them it was a bluebird. It was
a bluebird, so apparently that's a big deal. But they
wanted him to know it was a bluebird. It's just

(02:32:44):
once they have a message, they don't stop in your
head until you put it out there. So I'm not
trying to regress, but I'm not going to get any
peace until I said that.

Speaker 1 (02:32:53):
I could get that. Very cool, Very cool. All right,
let's get to more audience questions. Start off with the paramirev.
Here are the forest people aware of the three i
at lis object approaching Earth? If so, have they offered
any insight on it?

Speaker 7 (02:33:11):
That's a really good question. And I actually think they
are aware of it. The ones that I've talked to
do not seem concerned. They really don't. I know, I've
and I've been on other shows where they've asked me
about that too. And when I scan that, I got

(02:33:34):
several different races of ets on it, and I also
got three humans. Now I don't understand that, but that's
what I got. And I did ask the Sasquatch about
it that are around me and some of the other
ones that I've worked with. Nobody seems overly concerned. I mean,
I would think if these were really bad ets, they

(02:33:55):
would be in panic mode. But they don't seem overly concerned.
So you know, I'm gonna take that as a good thing.
If whatever's on that craft, and it is a craft,
if whatever is on that craft is bad intended, they're
not thinking neative, negative thoughts or bad thoughts at this
point because I couldn't pick up anything negative yet I

(02:34:17):
keep checking it, and the Sasquatch aren't picking up anything
negative either, because when I asked them if I got
it wrong, was there more to this, and they said no,
they said, your people this is what they did say.
Your people may try to make it something that's not.
But we are not concerned and you shouldn't be either.
So you know whether that means our people will make

(02:34:40):
it a false flag, I don't know, but that is
what they said and they seem quite calm about it.

Speaker 3 (02:34:45):
Good.

Speaker 1 (02:34:46):
Good, Let's move on. Let's go to creepy pasta here. Hi, Robin,
I'm just looking for some more advice to try and
initiate contact with Sasquatch. They are near me. I just
need help making initiating contact. Any ideas absolutely.

Speaker 7 (02:35:04):
First off, find a spot to sit, okay, whether you
play music, whether there's you're laughing, or whether you're just
sitting on a log and talking to them. If you
have an area you can have a bonfire. Have a bonfire,
but rather than run around looking for them, let them
come to you. It gives them a comfort. You want

(02:35:25):
to do things that raise your frequency, okay, other than
doing frequency work ahead of time, you can work on
things that bring you joy. You know, if an ice
cream cone makes you happy, eat an ice cream cone.
Reading a book makes you happy, read a book. Anything
that brings you joy will raise your frequency. So do
that prior to and even when you're out there but

(02:35:48):
don't be chasing them all over there. You can walk
in their areas certainly, but I mean, for the most part,
find a spot, sit down and talk to them. I
know somebody that will go out and play their guitar
and they love it. My daughter when she was young,
would go sit on a blanket player clarinet. They would
come out of the woodwork, you know, So those kinds
of things. They love music, not the harsh music, but

(02:36:09):
you know, upbeat, joyful music. They like that bring up
your vibration and they generally will follow you. The other
thing is mind speak. You may not understand how to
get mine speak, but you can offer it to them.
Talk to them in your mind because it will go
farther reaching than just within the vicinity where you verbally are.

(02:36:31):
You can verbally talk to them, but also in your
mind when you think about them a lot. That tends
to pick up They pick up your vibration easier, and
it tends to bring them closer to you.

Speaker 1 (02:36:44):
If I can add to something to that too, If
you don't mind, sure, do everything the same for the
first few weeks. Try and wear the same clothes. You
can wash them, okay, park in the exact same spot,
put your lawn chairs in the same spot. You don't
need to be flashing around. If you have firearms, let

(02:37:07):
them know that you're carrying that, You're not going to
bring them up to them. This is all stuff we
do out at Flight twenty one. If you look at
the videos that we have on there, Tim and I
are pretty much dressed the same every time, the same
ball cap almost except for a couple you know, usually
the same color T shirts. I'm always wearing a green

(02:37:30):
vest for the most part. Because they do love the
familiarity of everything they want, they will learn what does
your engine and your vehicle sound like? What does the
slamming of your doors sound like? They are looking to
do everything the same. And when you set up your
base camp, make sure that's a base camp that you

(02:37:51):
want to have. Okay, where you're going to put your
lawn chairs, You're going to park your vehicle in the
same spot, you're going to build your fire if if
you're if you're permitted to build fires at this time
of year in your area, do everything the same, and
the more you do it the same, they're going to
get curious because it'll be about building trust.

Speaker 7 (02:38:16):
Exete hundred percent. That was perfect. Yeah. And the thing
of it is is anytime you deviate to something new,
it sets you back because anything they don't do change well,
they are not good with change. Change to them means
it could be a trap, it could be danger. So

(02:38:37):
when you change things around a lot, even tiny changes,
they go back to square one and then they've got
to watch you for an undetermined amount of time again
until they get back into that groove. Dave is one
billion percent right.

Speaker 1 (02:38:52):
The other thing I want to add to that too, is,
and you mentioned it quickly, when Tim and I go
out to flight twenty one, we don't do the todd
standing thing and run after them. We don't do the
YouTube thing where you got to chase into that area.
Even when the a couple of weeks ago, when we

(02:39:13):
were playing Hide and go Seek with them, we were
moving just in regular walking pattern. Okay. We weren't running,
we weren't chasing, we weren't looking like we were agitating them,
you know. I mean, they're there to confuse us, We're
not there to confuse them. But you don't have to
wear a gilly suit. You don't have to paint your

(02:39:35):
face camouflage. You don't have to wear camouflage clothing, you know,
to hide yourself from the creatures, you know, so they
don't see you. They already know you're.

Speaker 7 (02:39:48):
There well and as far as the camel goes, all
you're going to do is drive them away unless they
know you well enough to know that. They're saying, camouflag
means hunters. Hunters mean weapons. They used to at my
health at deer season when it was both season. Every year,

(02:40:08):
I get from thirty to fifty arrows that they would
get from these hunters and they would bring them to
my porch, put them on my porch, so I would
take them away. Camo means you're trying. In their mind,
you're being deceptive, You're trying to hide. Now, they already
know the hunters are getting deer, and they do go
up to the hunters and they steal the deer as
they get and we already know that, but they associate

(02:40:29):
that with weapons. So it's not going to do you
any good, you know, to do that. And he's right,
don't chase them. Go out there, pick a spot, let
them come to you. You have to make a choice
when you start trying to interact. Do you want positive interaction?
Or negative because if you are just out there and

(02:40:51):
I don't think this is what you're doing. But let's
say you're going out there and you're so intent on
getting contact that you're not looking at the longevity of
how long your contact will go over you just want
to see one that's putting you in a position for
a negative contact, and that will follow you around and

(02:41:12):
you're not going to get any more contact. It's a
one and done. You blew your chance. But if you
go slow, if you do the protocols like what Dave's
done or the things that I've talked about in a
lot of other researches as well, and you let them
make the decisions their world. They have to make the decisions,
or survival depends on it. When you don't take that

(02:41:32):
out of their hands and you stay and you're doing
the same thing repetitively over and over and you're not
chasing them, you can build a relationship with them that
will last you the rest of your life. They will
follow you if you move, they will do all kinds
of things. They will show up at your home. But
it's all based on trust. So you have to before
you even start interaction, do you want a short term

(02:41:55):
interaction or a long term and then you know, you
can choose how you handle accordingly.

Speaker 3 (02:42:00):
For that, I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:42:04):
I love it all.

Speaker 5 (02:42:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:42:06):
Let's get in to another question here, Robin. Let's go
to Mike, who is asking Robin. You mentioned before you
don't believe Bigfoot migrate, but in your opinion, how are
they all over the world? How did they get there?

Speaker 7 (02:42:21):
I absolutely one do not believe they migrate, and even
when I've asked them they don't, they say they don't.
They follow the food sources, but that's not a migration.
As far as how they get all over the world,
there's several things. Number one, they live all over the world.
There is not a place on this planet that they
do not live. I know people that have them in Hawaii. Okay,

(02:42:45):
they've been cited in buy in America. They live everywhere.
But it's you know again, this goes where they are
multi dimensional beings. The clans that are allowed to use
their abilities will go through port they'll go through rifts.
There are some clans that are old school, and the
leader that clan will not allow that, and they have

(02:43:07):
to stay in flesh and blood. For them, they have
to walk if they don't walk, They're not going far.
They also don't have the lifespan that the other ones
do because within the high frequency of the portals and
the rifts, it kills off any diseases, any illnesses or
anything like that, and they have a longer life span.
But as far as your question goes, there is nowhere

(02:43:28):
on the planet that they don't live. There really isn't.
They adapt beautifully no matter what the condition is, and
they will move through the dimensions. They will go through
the portals. I have one that is out in Texas
and will show up in South Carolina in a moment's notice,
and then he's gone again. And I have a friend
that'll call me and say, you know what, he just
showed back up. I mean it literally, when they go

(02:43:52):
in these dimensions, there is no time. Time doesn't exist
in them. So yeah, they can do that. They also
have no problem walking miles and miles and miles, and
they can do that very quickly.

Speaker 1 (02:44:09):
All right, let's move on to another question here. Let's
go next to Erica. My friends Sasquatch showed himself to
me remotely. He was like, I'm showing myself to you, Yes,
you saw me. It was amazing. What's that like, Robin.

Speaker 7 (02:44:26):
I think that's beautiful and it's very common. Good for you.
I mean that really says a lot about you as
a person, about your frequency, about your heart. I think
that's fantastic. They will show you themselves remotely. For them,
it's they do it for a couple of reasons. Number one,
they're safer. It's kind of like a test if you will.

(02:44:51):
That way. They're safer because if you're going to do
anything to try to harm them, you're looking at them remotely. Okay,
Another way they do it. Maybe they're not close to
you at that time, but they want you to see
them so they can do it remotely. They also do
it for your benefit, so that they can see how
well you're going to handle that initial contact. Now, not

(02:45:14):
all of them will do that first, but a great
many will. It's like people will get them in dream
state and they're like, I just had a dream about
a Sasquatch. Well, you could be a regular dream, but
dream state is also a real plane, so it could
be like I call them the meet and greet where
different ones and different entities, dogmen, whatever other cryptids will

(02:45:36):
introduce themselves to you. That way, they find that you're
in a more relaxed state, and they're able to make
contact easier. As far as doing it remotely, I think
that's fantastic. There's been several instances where they'll let you
look through their eyes and you can see what they see,
or they will look through your eyes and see what

(02:45:58):
you're looking at. But it's wonderful when they do it remotely.
They're making sure that you get that contact, and they're
making sure that you're not going to be frightened. They're
going to judge your reaction, and it's safe for you,
it's safe for them. That's a fantastic thing. Congratulations, I
think that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (02:46:18):
All right, let's move on here. Let's go next to Vanessa,
who is asking how do your feral cats feel about
the sasquatches?

Speaker 7 (02:46:29):
Do you know what? I'm very blessed my cats don't
have a problem with them. When I moved here, and
in any place I've ever lived, I went outside with
my animals, and I mine spoke. I verbally spoke. I
held my animals, I loved on them and said, you
know what the laws are. I don't hurt your children

(02:46:50):
and your pets because they do have pets, and I
don't want you to hurt mine. These are like my children.
I love them and I have never in my lifetime
and had them hurt any of my animals. I have
miniature pigs, okay, those are part of their food source
or pigs. They don't bother them. I've seen them pick

(02:47:11):
up my cats and walk around with my cats. I've
never had a faro cat get hurt. They will get
out in the backyard with the dogs, and I've seen
them do belly crawls in the backyard with the dogs.
I've seen them pick up the dogs. Never had anybody
get hurt. So the faral cat seem to be quite
at ease with them. The only time that sends them

(02:47:31):
off is if we get a new one in there.
Everybody has an energy signature, just like a thumbprint, so
when they're used to certain ones around, they know what
they feel like. All animals are high vibrational, so they
go on the frequencies as well. They can tell your frequency,
and so as long as it's one of the regulars,

(02:47:52):
they're very comfortable with them. They don't panic. They will
walk up to them. I have a little calico feme
that's feral that comes up on my porch every night,
and she'll go right to them. If you see one
moving around in the bushes, she goes right to them.
A lot of my dogs do the same thing. The farrels.
I have in two different puns. I have boys in

(02:48:13):
one side, girls in the other. If I can get
my hands on them, I separate the sexes to kind
of slow down the breeding population. And I have caught
the cryptids in the pen with them, and none of
them have acted like they were afraid. If they walk
by the cages, they will go directly to the side
that the sasquatch are on. So I've been very fortunate,

(02:48:33):
but I'm very careful when I move somewhere to make
sure that I have boundary set. Does that mean that
they'll always follow that No, depending on if the wrong
one came in, it could be a disaster. But fortunately
for myself, I have not had that bad experience. I
do know people that have, but I have not had
that experience.

Speaker 1 (02:48:54):
All right, let's move on to another question for you
from Blue Cruise three minutes ago, Robin, do the Gugway
create crude weapons such as a stone axe or a
bow and arrow to attack from a distance.

Speaker 7 (02:49:07):
I would believe, Yes, the sasquatch do. I think the
gugleys do as well. But these are Gugwis are a
whole different creature. They may look like a sasquatch with
a snout on it, like a baboon face, but they
are so highly aggressive and they will use anything they
have to to kill.

Speaker 1 (02:49:27):
Yeah. I was just going to say, if you for
our audience who may not understand what a gugway is,
maybe explain it.

Speaker 7 (02:49:34):
Yeah, a gugway is a highly aggressive cryptid. They are
a body of a sasquatch, but instead of a normal
face of a sasquatch, it's a baboon face where they
have that snout that's squared off. They do not have
the compassion that a sasquatch does. These things are void

(02:49:56):
of emotion. They are cannibalistic in nature, and they they
live to kill. They will kill and eat each other.

Speaker 3 (02:50:04):
They will.

Speaker 7 (02:50:04):
There are humans that they've killed, there are sasquatch they've killed.
They've killed dog men. If they can get their hands
on it, they are dead. These things literally go from
place to place to kill. There is not anything good
in them, like even to scan their energy. It's horrible.
It is absolutely horrible, and they are one of the

(02:50:27):
few things that the Sasquatch and other cryptids are afraid of. Now. Generally,
when they kill a gugly, they do it by getting
it on the ground and ripping the head off, because
that's the only way to kill them. If you were
to shoot one, you would have to go through the
eye socket, and even that is not guaranteed. This is
not something that you want to come up against, even
with the weapon, because they are unstoppable. Like I said,

(02:50:51):
the cryptids do it by ripping their heads off.

Speaker 1 (02:50:54):
Oh nice, It's always so polite that way. Listen, you
know they're givers, all right, Robin, we got about one
minute left with you tonight, and it's another show that
has flown on by. And you know, I know it's
been a month, but man, has it been good being
able to chat with you again. I missed you, trust me,

(02:51:19):
I missed everything. I missed doing the show. I missed you,
I missed all of our guests, and it's just you
know what, it's over now we can breathe again, I know.

Speaker 7 (02:51:31):
But I have to say there's something special about spaced
out Radio, and that's not a promo. That's me being
very sincere. You know, I do a lot of shows,
and I enjoy my time on all the shows, I
really do, and that people are wonderful. But there is
something special about spaced Out Radio and the people that
even that are asking the questions and are in the chat,

(02:51:52):
they're just lovely. You know, there's something about it. I
missed it. I missed everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:51:58):
Well, we're glad that you're here again. So thank you
very much Robin for coming back on spaced Out Radio
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