Sept. 24/25 - Citizen Science of the Paranormal with Christopher Jordan - Spaced Out Radio

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night and the weird news of the week. So let's
learn about our guest tonight, shall we. Christopher Jordan is
the founder of Curious Research and organization whose mission is

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helping the world of fringe scienceists, sciences, and paranormal research
prepare their data to shake hands with science at large,
and helping scientists prepare to look at the data provided
by the disciplines of upology, cryptozoology, and parapsychology study in
a whole new light. In twenty twenty four, Christopher created

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the Field Observation and Counterlog, a groundbreaking, first of its
kind field data log made specifically for field researchers of
the paranormal cryptids and UFOs to standardize the data gathered
while investigating on location. I mean, how cool is that.
He is also the host of Curious Realm, a program

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that explores interesting and unusual topics related to science, technology, history,
and culture, interviewing experts and exploring the topics in greater depth.
Let's bring them on in this his first time on
the show. I'm excited to have him. Christopher Jordan, how
you doing, my friend? Welcome to spaced Out Radio.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Thanks so much for having me, Dave. I greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Not a problem. We're going to help you get to
one thousand subscribers tonight. Well, I appreciate that is my goal.
We're going to hit one thousand subscribers before you go,
because I love being able to help people who are
doing great work in the field. And if I can
help that out and get that number closer or push
you over the edge, that's gonna be amazing. I'm so
happy that you're here because this is a subject that

(05:09):
I absolutely love is the citizens side of what we do.
We can hear the researchers, we could hear the scientists.
They all talk big, and the first thing that the
majority of them do is say, hey, experiencers, Hey, citizen researchers,
get out of the way. Let the pros do their job.
And here you are kind of doing something a little

(05:31):
bit different with than that.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, for me, it's the fact of if you have
had an experience and I'm gonna pop something up on
screen real quick, that's actually on the front of my
field observation log. But it's the scientific method. And if
you look at the scientific method, as soon as you
have had an observation, as soon as you saw something,

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had an experience, and then you went out and were
like what was that, and you started looking into it more,
and then you've formed an idea about it. Buddy, science
started like you're a scientist. At that point, the only
questions whether or not like you bought a ticket to
the science trainer, if you're eating a twist at the station,
like the science train left, you know. So it is

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the fact that, yes, if you're out and you've had
an experience with sasquatch. If you have had a paranormal experience,
if you have had an experience, that the way I
put it, has kind of shoved a crowbar in your
keyhole and changed the aperture through which you see the world.
You are a citizen scientist at that point. So yeah,

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being able to write down the data as it happens
to you is massively important. That's one of the things
that they try to do all the time in laboratory
science is write down the observations as they happen in
real time. And that that kind of brings us to
the fight because there's a constant fight between these things

(07:07):
dave between the world, the paranormal and science, and it's
hilarious to me.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I'm kind of one of those.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
I understand the back doorway in which they changed UFO
to UAP. However, when you change it to anomalist phenomena,
you now bring it directly into the world of science.
Like anomaly and phenomena are things that scientists have to
be able to extract from their data set. They have

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to be able to get that out of their data
set so that they know that their data set is pure.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
You know, Oh, you and I can open up a
whole can of worms with that, my friend, Because you
know what, behind the scenes, I've talked to a number
of people because I was one of these guys. Man,
I always hated the term UAP. You always hated it.
I still hate it, cannot stand it. But the one

(08:03):
thing that I learned over my hatred of that acronym
was this, the more I talk to people, and the
more I did my own studying, and when I say
talk to people, I'm talking people on the inside. The
one thing that I learned, and it's funny you say that,
because underneath my sweater, I have a shirt on that

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you can be found at our spaced out radio store
that says friends don't let friends UAP, right, And yeah,
so you guys could go to our store and get
that shirt. But here's the one thing I learned to
get to it is that the people that I know
on the inside when we talked about it, this goes
from former CIA members to former people who worked at

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secret bases in Nevada that they're not supposed to talk
about and other places, was that UFO and UAP is
actually completely two different subjects. Every time we hear the
term UAP, they're covering up hidden technology and man made objects,
whereas UFOs completely different subject of study for them.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Interesting, interesting, and you know, that's that's something that I
bring up regularly is the idea that unfortunately, so many
of these topics, whether it's UFOs, whether it's cryptozoology, whether
it's all been shoved into the Kleenex box, that is paranormal,

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you know. And the thing with science is they like
to categorize things, you know, kingdom, phylum, species, that kind
of stuff. So describing everything as Kleenex doesn't really help
clear up the situation. They want to know is okay,
so it's a facial tissue, is it pleated, nonpleated, single plied,

(09:55):
double ply lotion, non lotion like you can get it, Cleenex,
just a brand name. So we tend to lump things
together into familiar terminology instead of actively making a divide
between the disciplines of study. You know, even though there

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may be some crossover between them. For instance, I'm an
audio and video engineer, and there are things that are
cross compatible between the two. However, there are many parts
of both disciplines that are very separate.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
At the same token, for our audience, to help build
your credibility with the audience, because all of us are
getting to know you here. How did you develop us?
Do you have a scientific background? Is that where life
kind of took you before you got into this?

Speaker 4 (10:49):
You know, I have done the typical lab science that
people have done in college, that kind of thing. I
can't even say I'm a college graduate. I have numerous
friends that have gone into sciences and that's what they do,
be it genetic sciences. I have numerous friends that went

(11:10):
off into pharmacology, all kinds of things. But but for me,
it's the fact that I have always been fascinated by science.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Astronomy specifically.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
I do tons of nighttime photography of the night sky,
beautiful things like that, and and that's probably the science
that I've loved the most in my life. But it's
the fact of there are there are testable ways that
science does things, and and the way that they look

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at things is different than the way than your average
weekend warrior paranormal investigator looks at things. Their terminologies are different.
You know, for instance, the difference between data and evidence.

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There's there's a fine line difference between data and evidence.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
You know, evidence is once one's.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Data has passed through filters, one's data has been double checked,
one's data has gone gone through uh, the the clearing
of phenomena to make sure it isn't some sort of
explainable phenomena, you know, the things like that.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
So it's it's.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Different when you start looking at it that way, and
when you start considering the fact that when you're out
in the field sasquatching that kind of stuff, that you
could be supplying all kinds of data to your local college,
to your to your local actual scientists, that would be

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helping to make that handshake, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
And and I love what you were doing. See, I
went and got my degree in broadcast journalism because I
was absolutely terrible at sciences, terrible at them.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
That's pretty much what I did was go go study
recording and engineer.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Absolutely absolutely. And I have to be on my best
behavior right now because I just found out my father
is listening. So now I got to be good. Oh,
now I got to be good, you know, never.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Mind the broadcast rules. Pops on the line.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, there's nothing more embarrassing than knowing that your
father is listening to it. Hey, everybody, listen up. My
son's a weirdo. Listen to the topics he's talking about.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Right, But I can appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
But here's the thing that I've learned in my almost
eleven years doing this show is the importance of the
citizen interest of this subject. Whether you're an experiencer, whether
you're an enthusiast, whether you are a researcher of it,
doesn't matter what the subject is, cryptids, paranormal UFOs, alien abductions,

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whatever it may be. We all have a part to
play in this except the majority of us, especially the
paranormal world. They don't know what to do with their evidence.
They have no clue what to do. And you know what,
I'll be blunt with you for a second here, Chris.
For a long time I actually stopped interviewing paranormal people

(14:15):
on this show because if there's one way you want
to screw up a paranormal researcher, you say, what do
you do with your evidence? Well, we collect it, Well
what do you do with it afterwards? Well we put
it in a database for ourselves. Well what do you
do with it? Nobody can understand or answer that question,

(14:38):
what are you doing with it? Because it's great that
you got this giant database of evidence. But you know what,
if Team Chris investigates ABC Hotel and Team Dave investigates
ABC Hotel, we should be able to collaborate to see
what were you getting John Smith in Room one, p.
Seventy two. You know, we should be able to We

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should be able to do that. And that is something
I believe if I, if I get what you're doing correctly,
that's what you're putting together is collaboration.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
That is exactly what I'm trying to do precisely because
because frighteningly, and here's the thing, man is, science in
and of itself is very protective, you know, and it's
it's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
There are things.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
That that happen in science where where things get sabotaged.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
It's kind of kind of bad and horrible.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
People will hold back information from other researchers, all kinds
of things.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
So I have been witnessed to that. I have seen
that happen. I have I have.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Seen things things go awry in the background where people
want to try to share data, but then it comes
to well, who's going to be the one who releases
it first? You know, things like it's like, well, if
it's about who gets the shoe drop on social media,
is it really about the research at that point?

Speaker 1 (16:09):
You know, well, and that's exactly it, because we've changed
research for clicks and and clickbait titles.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, yeah, precisely.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
And see the problem is the the way I describe
it to people is we got to the moon and
we got robots on Mars for very specific reasons.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
That was that was healthy competition.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
That's how we got to have blue program and stealth
technology was healthy competition. You know, you put up a
competition and say who can do this, who can achieve this?
And people people compete and then eventually what happens is
they share data. At the end of it, all the

(16:57):
data comes together and things get put put together and
cold together in a different way, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
So yeah, it helps you build a larger thing.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
But it it's hard to convince people to share data.
It's hard to convince people to want to do that
because a their their data may be seen through a
lens that they may not want it to be seen through,
you know, which can be scary because yeah, somebody else

(17:34):
with a different set of skills than you have may
get a hold of things and be able to show
show that your data may not be what you think
it is.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Is it? Is it ego?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
There's some of that, most definitely, there's a lot of
that ego and fear. You know, it's it's the fact
of how do you how do you get as the
fear a of failure and and be the fear of
somebody else taking your work? Well, and I know a

(18:12):
few researchers just personally who have been on my show
who in the last two three years have straight up
had work taken from them and put on broadcast TV.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Things like that, and it's like, wow, Wow, I.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Have seen once again in the background, the straight up
somebody trying to stop somebody from getting documents.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
So, yeah, here's an important question I want to ask
you about this. Please, Okay, there's a lot of anger
and hatred in these fields right now. I mean, it's
like a political battlefield. The UFO world, the cryptid world,
the paranormal world. That if you're not investigating, or you're

(19:03):
not a part of TAPS, or you're not a part
of BFRO, or if you're a UFO person and not
a UAP er, you know, get out of the field.
Where's your evidence? Where's your proof? And then people just
cutting to shreds anything that goes online these days. You
could have the picture perfect video of a UFO landed

(19:25):
in your backyard, okay, and the beings coming out with
celebratory signs saying, Hey Dave, we made it, you know,
and these people, and you're going to get half the
internet who is absolutely going to carve you a new
one for setting this up and making fun of the subject.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
And it doesn't just go to the criticism, but there
are some literal psychopaths out there who are who are
going to threaten you online. They're going to dox you online,
they are going to give you unaliving threats online in
DMS or emails. Now, I haven't had that happen, but
I know people who have.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
The NASA panel had it happen.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Man, if you remember the second NASA UAP panel that happened,
the head of the NASA panel had to get up
in the first five minutes and be like, Hey, if
we could not threaten NASA scientists on social media, that'd
be great.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know, Like you've asked us to.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Come be part of this, and now that we're part
of it, you're telling all these people that they're part
of a fifty year cover up, like they've.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Worked here five years.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
What do you mean they've been at this fifty years
and hide and stuff like they've gotten threats, all kinds
of things. So it's interesting to see that because yeah,
there is a once again, a definite facet of all
of these communities that is hard set against the scientific

(20:56):
community and against laboratory science toward things.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
But does it fascinating and play at.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
The same token laboratory scientists that hate the idea of
paranormal But let's.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Play devil's advocate for a second, please, Okay, because NASA
is my audience knows. I think NASA is the greatest
bunch of liars in this field. And I hate the
term liar because so many people throw it around like
it's candy in this field. Oh, I don't believe you
because my opinions different. You're a liar. We see that

(21:31):
all the time. Okay, But NASA has been proven that
they have lied numerous times. Their own astronauts have said
this is what they saw. And for you know, NASA
to come out, you know, and good old cowboy Bill,
they're up top, coming in. We're gonna go find them.

(21:52):
You eate peace. Well, okay. What I'm saying though, is
why didn't you check your closet, Bill Nelson? Why didn't
you check your closet. All you had to do is
open up your closet and it's right there. But you're
going to make a fool out of this topic, yeah,
because that's how you destroy it. I am.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
I am firmly with you there, and and you know,
even even with the even with the panels going on
with the government right now with UAPs here here in
the United States. I keep telling people on my show
all the time, even when Old Gray was on my
show and we would cover them, it was it was
the fact of you will not see big d disclosure

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is not going to be them wheeling out a gurney
with a with a tablecloth on it and pulling it
off in the aha moment of here's the wreckage and
the body.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
What you're gonna see eventually is a purse string choking
somebody and an Alie North coming forth who's like, yes,
I worked at this Alphabet agency.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
This is what happened. This is where moneys went. But
like like George Knapp.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Just said, and think of him what you will, folks,
but he brought up a very cogent point in this
last UAP hearing, and that was the fact of, Yes,
people like Lockheed Martin, people like BAE, people like NASA,
people people like you know, Big Low Aerospace, they have
been entrenched in this thing for so long that a

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they're probably looking for an off ramp of scientific cooperation
to be able to get this stuff further, you know,
because they're probably running up against brick walls as far
as how far they can go with compartmentalized science.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
But also the fact of they were sworn to such
deep secrecy years ago that they still can't say anything.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
By the government because of because of who they were,
what they did, and the specialty that they had, they
were given this stuff, but they aren't allowed to say
anything about it. And much like the the panels and
studies said from the Brookings Institute and like what was

(24:10):
that nineteen fifty eight fifty six something like that, where
it was like, no, if you find anything in space,
you really shouldn't tell the general public.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Absolutely, my friend, I'm gonna get get a hold on
right there, because we are going to go to break
here in that about oh I think well like four seconds.
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Firmage is?

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I do not offhand?

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Literally, this guy is a major UFO player, like inside player.
But he's also the guy who developed or was one
of the key developers of the World Wide Web.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
H oh wow.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
He like he pretty much from what I've learned about him,
he pretty much helped invent the dot com.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, dude is smart. Dude is smart.

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It's already way closer than I was.

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Citizen science is the topic when it comes to the
paranormal UFOs, and of of course then Big Harry Kryptids
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Here we go Christopher Jordan hanging on out with us
from Curious Realm on YouTube, and we're talking citizen science,
the importance of people getting involved and taking their information

(31:52):
he's developing a database where you can send it. Now, Christopher,
I need a hand from you. I need a hand
from you here.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Okay, what do you need?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I may have sasquatch poop okay, and we have a
sample of it or no place to send it.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
I am currently working with a few people that I
know that are in the field of like marine biology,
things like that, to make connections with DNA laboratories, things
like that where that can at least be sent things
like that.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
So we will definitely talk off air.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Man, I've got a couple people that I may be
able to get you in touch with.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I love it. I love it because I want to
be able to I want to be able to send
it somewhere. We have a few samples that we collected
on that at one of our locations here, and it's
just weird. I mean, yeah, I'm the type of person
who tells my research partner Tim to put potential sasquatch
poop in the freezer. That's me, That's right, that's who

(32:58):
I am.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Vacuum packet put into the freezer.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
One of the things that I started a long time
ago on my Curious Realm website that I carried forth
with Curious Research was the Knowledge Vault, where it's just
a huge compendium of declassified documents, patents that we regularly
refer to things like that on the show. So it's
one of those it's like, no, no, it's real, there

(33:27):
it is. But I've actively made a page of free
tools on the curiousresearch dot org website, everything from like
audio visualizers things like that where you can audio analyze clips,
video video analysis software where you can put your clip

(33:49):
in and it will analyze it for you, things like that,
EXIF data analyzers.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
So it's it's one.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Of those that getting into the world of things now
where AI is becoming almost indecipherable from real in some ways,
there are still a lot of ways to tell that
it's AI. But even when you look at the way
that the AI images of Comment three I Atlas have

(34:23):
taken over social media, you know, where it's like there's
there's probably about sixty seventy percent scientific data in a post,
but then with an utterly aied image that is very
sensationalistic in clickbaiting, and when you when you start doing that,

(34:47):
it leads into dangerous territories, you know, because one of
the things that we have to try to fight against
even as investigators ourselves, is that a the want of confirmation,
be the want of confirmation married with confirmation bias, and
the idea that when you're presented information that is against

(35:07):
what you believe or even against your hypothesis, that you're
not going to take that data into your data set,
you know, And that's.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Kind of a dangerous out.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Like I'm a true believer, I'm a believer's believer, but
that also means that my realm of proving data.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Should be larger, you know, it should be bigger at
that point.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
And I think that what a lot of people are
afraid of is that if and the example that I
give is the image with the red circle. You know,
if you've got a picture with a red circle from
an investigation, and somebody like me can explain to you
what's in the red circle from thirty years of living

(35:54):
behind the camera lens photography wise and video wise and
editing wise and things like that, or even audio recording wise,
that does not remove your experience. It doesn't change that
moment that you took the picture, or that you recorded
the video, or that you recorded the audio clip. It

(36:16):
doesn't remove that from you. That moment that happened to you,
where you said, what was that? And it changed who
you were and changed the way that you looked at
the world is still there.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I want to follow up with you on something you
said a couple minutes ago that I think is really
important and we've had on a couple shows ago. We
talked to Dean Alioto, a filmmaker and researcher in the
UFO world, about this AI. With the advancement so quickly
of AI, which is changing month to month, week to

(36:51):
week right now and becoming very very difficult to tell
the difference between real and fake, how are we going
to trust evidence these days if we can be fooled
so simply.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's hard. It's hard.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
There is a great realm of discernment that needs to
come when it comes to those things. Because yeah, it's
and I can play you a clip like I have
an AI of my voice, like I have trained an
AI in my voice, and I have it reading a
script and it is pretty well exactly what I sound like.

(37:34):
It's it's kind of frightening because all it took was
about twenty twenty five minutes of me giving it clips
of me talking to a guest, you know, and it
picked up my meter, It picked up the way that
I get excited, It picked up the way that I
get deep and contemplative.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
It's it's really interesting.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
And yeah, when you start seeing that, when you start
seeing the way that things can be generatively added to pictures,
there's there's a lot out there that can be done.
And and fortunately there's still a lot of ways and
a lot of tools once again, like some of the

(38:14):
online tools that I've put on our free tools page,
where you can throw that in there and it's going
to tell you whether or not it's been touched with
a digital paintbrush, or whether or not it's an actual
part of a negative things like that. So the the
funny thing is though even those are using AI. So

(38:37):
the there there are once again, especially with written word
things like that, there are a lot of ways to
tell that things are AI, and and a lot of
that comes down to the training of the actual AI itself.
Like I've I've got an AI server that I have

(38:57):
actively built that operates offline and and has a couple
of data grade video cards in it, like data center
video cards for specifically analyzing this kind of data analyzing
this kind of stuff. But it takes a it takes
a ton of training to get an AI to that point.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
It's one of those like if you want to.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Understand how binaural beats work, you first have to give
it the data on how frequencies work, and what a
frequency is and what frequency math is and what a
hurtz rate is, and like you have to train it
as though it's a child and explain everything to it.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
So it's it's fascinating and it's interesting to see that
the way the way the AI hallucinates and creates things
just out of the blue.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
So yeah, there's there's some troublesome things I think on
the horizon if we don't get handled on them quick.
But more than anything is once again that want and
want of confirmation, because that's that's where the AI leads
to trouble.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
We have seen some bad things happen over the last
few years within different communities from from people who have
claimed things that come to find out it ain't nothing
like that, and they called everybody who said that they
had the same experience crazy all kinds that, and that
led to lawsuits.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
All kinds of things.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
And and when you have that want of confirmation like that, uh,
you set up a very easy means by.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Which to hurt the experiencer.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
And and that is something else that I have that
I have tried to set up with Curious Research is
basically and an anonymous help group that you can set
up on your own, like there are protocols on our.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Website, and it's called Awakening Together.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
And it's basically a paranormal experiencer group where you can
come to a non judgmental space talk to other experiencers,
no advice being proffered, but the idea of it's okay
that you had an experience, you know, because even the
idea of being able to talk about an experience openly,

(41:33):
like sometimes it drives family families apart. They aren't even
able to talk about experiences. Me and a friend of
mine had an experience together while I was in college,
at least two three years into college. We did not
talk about that that experience for almost twenty years.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Dave, Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
So, Yeah, it's fascinating and just to see the way
that data affects things and when these things keep happening,
when people make accusations against the experiencers in the.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Community, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
There's been a big charge lately about the Betty and
Barney Hill experience not being real and stuff like that,
and it's like, unfortunately a lot of those are cases
that really help other people want to come forward with
their own case.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
You know, well you look at not only that, but
I mean, why would anybody want to come out today
if you had exactly let's say you had the dog
Man version of the Patterson Gimlin film. If you had

(42:51):
that million dollar film, would you release it? Would you
bring it to the public, Because I don't know if
I would because of the harassment, the dossing, and the
decades of my children and my future grandchildren having to
deal with the harassment of this for the next at

(43:15):
least fifty to sixty years. And we know it's that
timeline because Bob Gimlin still gets his ass cooked for
the video of the Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly, And it's one.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Of those it makes it hard to want to come
forward and at that point, because things like that don't
come forward.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
And I'm in the camp with people like my.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Good friend King Gerhard where he says like, we aren't
going to prove bigfoot with a picture, a photograph, you know,
or with a piece of video. It may be a
piece of data that we'll use for something, but that's
not going to be the definitive proof. And I tend
to agree with that. I think another dangerous place that
we get though, is with thinking that anybody's.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
An expert in most of this.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
They may be an expert in physics, they may be
an expert in you know, stories, in anthropology, all kinds
of things, but you can't be a bigfoot expert because
bigfoot has not been proven to exist yet, you know.
So yeah, yeah, And once again, these are all things

(44:32):
that like science will use all day to pooh pooh
the conversation and be like no, no, but they're not
going to talk to a bigfoot expert.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Okay, so sorry to cut you off there, but I'm
very passionate about this subject. Why would science take us
seriously when we have people throughout this field making up
and self titling themselves, like you just said, expert, I
know a UFO person. Okay, where this person was in

(45:03):
the field six months, got a television show, and when
on social media, I've been hired by such and such
a television show as a UFO expert expert. Okay, I
would have shot that down when I've done television, and
I've only done a couple of them. But when I've done,

(45:23):
you know, done a couple of television shows, they asked
me what title do you want? And I tell them
radio host journalists. Yeah, okay, And I'm not lying, But
I mean one of my pet peeves in this field
that has been there for a long time is people
self titling themselves as journalists and scientists and experts. And

(45:49):
when I look at that, and I know how worked
up I get over somebody proclaiming they're a journalist when
they don't even know what the beat is. Okay. I
could just imagine what a physicist or an astrophysicist, or
a chemist, or a biologist or an anthropologist would feel
if all of a sudden, you know, Dave Scott comes

(46:12):
out saying, by the way, I'm a Google scientist now,
so I've googled what an anthropologist is and I'm now
an anthropologist.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
We shot ourselves in the foot to lose that credibility
about it. And it doesn't matter whether it's cryptids or yeah,
Like for instance, one of one of the reasons why
I don't interview a lot of paranormal teams anymore is
they kept saying they are following scientific method. There is

(46:44):
no scientific method in the paranormal. Why are you doing
that to try and make yourself look good when you're
lying to the public. And yet I've grown really really
jaded by it. I'm sure you could hear in my voice.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
And and and I appreciate that and same same in
a lot of ways. And that that's a lot of
reason why I came up with the data logue. Was
was at least because here's the thing. If if you're
talking about most videos that you're watching online, feel free
to look into force perspective, folks, and what that is.
Same thing with the videos that came out from during

(47:24):
the recent hearing. You know, that is a force perspective
situation on most of that.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
And there are a lot of ways by which.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
People post things on purpose to deceive, you know, but
at this and and it's one of those like how
do you tell the difference if if there's no data, Hey,
if the post is made anonymously, consider that, like take
that with like a tablespoon of salt. You know the
fact that somebody doesn't want their name attached to something. Uh,

(47:58):
but in the same toe, and if they aren't willing
to give you data, you know, if they aren't willing
to give you directional data, what time it was taken,
what direction, what kind of camera they were using, all
things like that, what the what the average temperature was, humidity,
all those things that play into the way that optics work,

(48:20):
especially at a distance. That kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Well, we've got six minutes to go, and I apologize
for cutting you off again. I feel like I'm cutting
you off a lot because I'm sort of excited about
this conversation here. One of the things I do want
to I want to ask you though, about the citizen
people who are doing this and maybe not sharing their data.

(48:44):
M I think what a lot of it is is
to protect the location too, sure, Okay, because like I
know the one location that I talk about where we
are investigating. And I am an amateur researcher. I am
the amateur among amateur researchers. Okay, I don't even consider

(49:05):
myself a researcher. I consider myself an over exuberant enthusiast
of the phenomena. Okay, I don't mind talking about my
location because I know in my small town of twenty
five hundred people that probably only two hundred of those
people know where the location is. Yeah, and we're not

(49:29):
going to have people driving four and a half, five
and a half six and a half hours from a
metropolis here in British Columbia like Vancouver to come up
and try and take on this location, because if they
don't know the area, they're likely not going to find it,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so my area is safe,

(49:50):
But there's a lot of people, say living in Boston,
or living in Chicago, or Wisconsin, or Indiana or Washington
State wherever it may be me where those locations that
are red hot that they are studying are getting inundated
with paranormal teams or encryptid teams or even UFO teams

(50:11):
that are all using that same location for their own
personal benefit. So I could see why maybe some people
are are hesitant to talk about or release their information
because of the location and not wanting to have it overblown.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
I get that, and once again I also fully get
the idea of working on something for years and having
the carpet pulled that from underneath you because you shared
data with somebody and then they ended up taking it
eight steps further, you know, and claiming everything from the beginning.

(50:54):
And I have seen that happen to people most definitely,
and that's it's a hard thing to get past it.
It is what causes a lot of car compartmentalized science
for certain you know. And once again, even scientists are
afraid of that much less paranormal investigators. So the idea
of sharing that data, now, sharing that data across discipline,

(51:19):
like from paranormal investigator to scientists, I think is very
important though, especially whenever it comes to like if you're
out squatching that kind of stuff. The example that I
give is if you have a local university with a
biology department whatever, tell them that you are out in

(51:39):
the woods regularly in this region. You know, you don't
have to give them an exact location, but at least
a region with like six or seven trail cameras. And
I would love to give you the footage that I'm
not using so that you can use it for bear counts,
deer counts, wildlife counts, things like that. Like that is

(52:01):
data that they would love to be able to get,
but they have to write a grant to buy the
cameras and to have somebody go out and get the
camera footage every weekend and everything else. If you're out
doing that yourself already, you can now shovel data into
the hands of science that they can use all day long,
and now.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
You're their friend.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I love that point for your database that you're doing
is location protected.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
I try to keep the things like that protected. Yes,
I try to keep things like investigators' names protected, that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
So what we're mainly looking.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
For is the the other data, the specifically data like temperature, humidity,
that kind of stuff. Things that would be the first
things that a scientist would go to to try and
disprove things, or to try and put things through a
different filter of discovery, so to speak, as as you're

(53:05):
examining data points. So yeah, we try and keep things
like that, any any proprietary information like that.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Well well protected from from databasing.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
And we're trying to make it to where the reports
that we have are publicly available for people to view,
because that's that's always a big thing, especially with a
few of the alphabet agencies out there in the UFO
community is that whenever you make a report, you can't
view your report without becoming an investigator and paying money

(53:42):
to become an investigator.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
So yeah, well I think on those lines as we
have about a minute to go here. Yep, you know
you take Enigma Labs where Enigma met Labs comes out says,
don't worry, we're not a government agency, even though we're
funded by government coffers. Yeah, okay, number one, and we're
working on contracts with NASA and other military contracts. But

(54:08):
don't worry. Your information is safe with us allegedly, you know,
because you have to end those sentences with allegedly protect yourself.
So I mean, for somebody independent like you, it's got
to be a little bit more pressure on you to
protect that information than it is just to hand it

(54:29):
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I know it's going to be great as well. Absolutely,
So let's talk about the cryptid world. Okay, we have
people all over North America and the world going to
look for bigfoot, dog man, sea monsters, little people, everything

(01:03:30):
that seems to be very high strange in the forest
out there. How do we get proper information from these
creatures that are not supposed to exist.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Well, the first thing is proper information of your observation
if you are out looking for this intentionally, things like
that all two and this is just myself from over
the years attending conferences, going to conferences, talking at conferences,
and interviewing people. The one thing I hear more than

(01:04:05):
anything is when I got back to camp. When I
when I got back to camp, and I'd thought about it.
The problem is, by the time you've gotten back to camp,
you have already started deprecating the actual good scientific data
that could be there. Once again, are you are you

(01:04:26):
gathering directional data? Are you gathering data like temporate things
like for instance, if you're out sasquatching, Yes, understanding weather patterns.
Understanding those things in relation to sidings is important, no
different than understanding, uh, how how deer migrate during the

(01:04:46):
summertime as opposed to the winter time, you know, because
the temperature variation in their in their environment. So these
are all data points that are hugely important.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Aside from the actual experience. You know. And the example
that I give people.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Having worked in live events and in editing and recovering
photos and video and audio for so many years, the
turn of phrase that I've always heard is a picture
is worth a thousand words, And a picture is actually
only worth a thousand words if you've been there, or
if you have a frame of reference. If you show

(01:05:25):
a four year old who has never been to a
wedding a picture of a wedding toast, you're going to
have a lot of details to fill in because they
have no frame of bread. I mean, okay, cool, you
showed me this picture, but I don't know what this
picture is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
About, and I don't have the backstory of this picture.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I don't have the understanding of what a bride is,
what a groom is, what a toast is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
You Those are all points of data that you have
to give the person at that point so that they
can understand what that picture actually is. And it's the
same thing with science, like we've got to be willing
to give those extra points of data. And the point
that I bring up regularly is the show. I don't
know if you have it up there where you're at,

(01:06:13):
but the first forty eight yes, is the name of
the show. And the idea is, if detectives don't get
good data and good leads things like that within the
first forty eight hours, a crime may never be solved ever,
because by that point memories start deprecating. You start passing

(01:06:35):
things through your filter of reality, through your filter of experience,
or your filter of belief, stuff like that. So it's
no longer good hard rowed data. It's now deprecated data.
It's still data, but it's not as good as it
would be as if it happened in the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
It's kind of like if the chemist is in the
lab and he's mixing things and then he gets home
after traffic and writes down what he saw happen in
the flasks in the lab. You know, I'm sure he's
had time to think about it, but he's not getting

(01:07:16):
real time data, which is what's so key and absolutely important,
because if you get that data as it happens, or
as close as possible to when it happens now, it's
it's not deprecated through those filters you are. You don't
have time to start processing it in that kind of

(01:07:38):
way before you actively get it down.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Do you know, do you edit your reports? And what
I mean by that, if we stick to the cryptid world,
it has been proven many a time over that a
group like the BFRO actually edits their reports. So, for instance,
they are so wanting to be scientific with the Bigfoot

(01:08:05):
story that they will not use or they will edit
a story that has anything to do with a correlation
with UFOs or paranormal or bigfoot disappearing and reappearing, anything
that seems to be a little bit odd out of
the scientific realm. Anything woo, yeah, anything will absolutely and

(01:08:29):
to me that tells me a they're not doing anything scientific.
Number two, their data is skewed and not correct. And
number three, if people who are giving them their reports
are seeing their reports edited, they're going to be unhappy

(01:08:50):
because there's not enough or they've changed their story without
even asking permission to change their story.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Yeah. Yeah, and that's important.

Speaker 4 (01:09:02):
And that's that's a lot of what people claim with
other alphabet agencies in the UFO UAP community, things like that,
and and yes, that is an issue.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
No we do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
I mean, I can't say, as we've taken in any
more than like a dozen reports in the time that
we have been open with our reporting system, things like that,
But never would that ever be my intent. The same
way is like I don't edit my show because if
I edited my show, my man, I could make people

(01:09:33):
say all kinds of things. You know, I've got a
few skills as far as that goes. So I don't
edit my show because I want you to unabridged have
that data.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
And and that's just it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
If you're if if they're only including that data set
that I would say at the very least that they
are cherry picking their data and only going with that data, yeah,
because they that may be the only data that they.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Are comfortable actively investigating. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
And and there is a rote phrase that I use
on my show and whenever I speak in public or
on panels things like that, and that is that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I believe that there is a large, commined being roman
the woods of North America and beyond.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
However, I think that there is also something else that
is perfectly willing to use our want of experience as
a point of consent to enter this place.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
And that sets up for a lot of things, folks.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
When you're when you're talking about especially investigation and paranormal investigation,
you know, people get in hype about their investigation and
watching shows about it for three days straight and watching
YouTube channels. And I don't think that's really a good idea.
You know, you may be well charging that atmosphere with

(01:11:01):
with that, you know, you you may be inducing the
experience by that happening. At the very least, you're actively
polishing the filter through which you're going.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
To look at your data. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
So I proposed the fact that whether you're going squatching
at your favorite spot, whether you're going investigating at your
favorite spot paranormal wise or your favorite cemetery, that you
should literally just have a rope checklist and like, do
I have my coordinates to go to?

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Yes, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
That way, you weren't setting yourself up with a point
of expectation that maybe you somewhere inside feel like you
need to fill with data that may not actively be
filling that data set in that kind of way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
You know, you may be looking at that through a.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
Totally colored and polarized lens when you're looking at that
data at that point, and once again, just to bring
it into the quantum world. Things like that, I think,
and that's where I think a lot of this comes.
Dave is Once once Quantum Entanglement won the Nobel Prize,

(01:12:10):
science came running to our side, you know, and it's
really fascinating to see the number of labs that are
starting to look into psychic ability things like that. Like,
I'm pretty heavily involved in the remote viewing community. I
just went to Pygames and to see the scientists, scientists

(01:12:31):
that are there, Like that was something that was born
in the lab, and it was born out of the
hypothesis that if you if you're a scientist working.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
On an experiment, you go home and think about it, might.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
You adversely affect that experiment by thinking about it in
a bylocation kind of way, you know. So yeah, yeah,
the idea that you may be influencing the environment that
you're about to go investigate.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
If you are our rabbit.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
Holing and digging Swiss cheese, watching shows, listen to podcasts
about the location and things like that, you may be
adversely affecting the actual data that you're going to get.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Before we get to some audience questions here, because I
like to involve our audience absolutely, what is good evidence?
Because I know in my area where I investigate, the
ground is way too hard to get a quality footprint,
even though like you couldn't be cast a footprint. You know,

(01:13:35):
you can try and get photographs or videos or whatever,
but I mean nobody believes those anymore. So what is
good evidence for people who are out there work in
the field, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Mean, biological is always best. That kind of stuff. We
have all kinds of stuff in our store for actively
taking fingerprint in the field, for taking DNA in the field. Uh,
that kind of stuff for storing that, and yeah, having
somewhere to be able to send those things is hugely important.

(01:14:11):
Having like you said, it means by which to examine
that those those things are very very important as well
as the the meanwhile, storing of that in a proper way,
you know, not just the collective way, and in the
way that you collect that data, whether it's a footprint
or I would say even a picture, you know, video, audio,

(01:14:35):
that kind of stuff. But to me, the the big
thing is differentiating data from evidence. I always put it
for the fact of evidence. Evidence is what keeps you
out of prison. That is the that is the realm
of confidence that you should have in something.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
When you call it evidence, you should be able to
hand it to your lawyer and say, this will keep
me out of prison for life, or this will keep
me away from the death sentence. Like that's where you
should be as far as calling something evidence. Aside from that,
you have a piece of data that you have collected
in the field, and you have to learn to kind

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of dispassionately look at it as data, even when it's exciting,
even when it's a wow signal moment.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
You know, you have to be able to dispassionately look
at it. Because if somebody else is able to look
at it and decode what it is or figure out
what it is and get past the point of anomaly
to a point of fact, then he you don't have
that point of disappointment. But but b you also don't

(01:15:49):
have the setback of well, now what do I call evidence?
You know, your your expectation of what should be evidence
should be it should pass through at least four or
five people of better grade than you. You know, is
how I look at it before you call something evidence.
At the very least, if you're talking biological materials or

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something like that, it needs to go through some kind
of actual testing, you know. And and tracks and prints
those are those are absolutely awesome. But being able to
get them in front of somebody who is an actual
tracker UH in your localized area, I think is hugely

(01:16:34):
important as well. You know, making those if you're out
and that's the kind of investigating that you're doing, Making
making friends with local like game trackers that that's all
that they do is track game professionally. Those things are
important handshakes to make, I think because a once again,

(01:17:00):
you could be providing them stuff that may may be
invaluable data for what they do regionally, you know, like,
oh wow, I didn't realize that, you know, like you're
bringing me a lot of brown bear prints.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
I didn't realize that we had that many in this area.
Thanks so much for letting me know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
You know, so, I think that those things are important
when it comes to how do you separate data from evidence?

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
You know, what do you call evidence? You've you've got
to be willing to put it through proper riggors first,
and be willing to let it fail.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Like the idea is to literally float it out on
a raft and shoot it with shotguns and see if
it sinks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Oh that sounds fun. I'm gonna lie, that sounds fun.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Can you tell I'm from Texas? Tell me you're from
Texas without saying you're from Texas?

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Truth?

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Truth, right, but in all sincerity.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Like That's that's where we should all be, even as experiencers,
because once again, even though what is what's in your
red circle has been proven doesn't remove your experience. What
happens is that you have now actively contributed to the
scientific data set of known quantitative and the larger we

(01:18:24):
make the data set of known quantitative, the smaller the
data set of phenomena and anomalist becomes. You know, so
we like you've contributed to the scientific process, even if
you provided something that has been proven otherwise. And that's

(01:18:44):
that's something that is so so so important to understand.
You know that even if even if the clip that
you have, even if the photo that you have has
been proven to be something that you know, may just
well be out of your range of observation, because that's
not what your realm of observation is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
That's okay, you know, just update your YouTube channel. We
need six more listeners. Oh no, we need six more
subscribers to hit a thousand for Chris tonight. So head
on into Curious Realm on YouTube and uh gets to
everybody's subscribed. I greatly appreciate it. Hey man, I told

(01:19:28):
you we were going to do it. We're going to
do it tonight, Curious Realm. I believe me too. This
is kind of awesome. I'm like totally trying, totally trying.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
And once again, that's that's a believing is a big,
big thing that we have to keep to ourselves, you know,
like hold it close because it's it's precious and it's
an important thing. But we can't let our belief get
in the way of data. We can't let our belief

(01:20:02):
color the data that we're presented. We can't let it
keep us from allowing new data into our field. And
I tell people all the time. People call me a
skeptic like it's a nasty word, and I tell them
that I wear the ass on my chest like Superman,
and I'm willing to whip it out anytime Superman would,

(01:20:23):
because quite literally, my job as a skeptic is to
be looking for the data that changes my mind, not.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
To be I think being a skeptic is healthy, though.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
It's supposed to be healthy. That's just it. You're supposed
to a question what you believe.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Whenever I taught spirituality and religion to seventh and eleventh
graders for like a decade, the thing I would tell
them all the time was that the day you stop
breathing should be the day that you stop questioning. That
should be the day that you stop questioning what you believe,
why you believe it. Everything else is the day that

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you stop drawing breath. Other than that, you should be
asking questions about everything all the time, and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Even why you believe what you believe, you know, and
why you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
Believe that something is a piece of evidence that you have,
you know. So yeah, yeah, and if you're willing to
call all of that into question, then then yeah, when
you're confronted by somebody with an alternative view on the
data that you have, it's very disarmed at that point.

(01:21:35):
You know, it's because a lot of people take it
personally because of their belief.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
But we also have this opinion that we have to
announce that we are just so skeptic all you know,
I'm the skeptic, like paranormal teams who have to have
one member who's known as the team skeptic. You know
what I'm saying, if in the way I look at it.

(01:22:00):
And by the way, we need one more subscriber now
for a thousand?

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Oh what, oh my god?

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Yeah one more? We need one more?

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Yeah. The whole crew in our YouTube chat is I'm
not going.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
To be greedy.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
I'm happy with nine nine nine. Nine is my number,
and it's a number of completion. I'm good with nine
to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
I want to see a thousand because I am greedy
a little bit, so so you could blame that on me.
If you don't mind. Oh we hit it, hit it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Give you one more beautiful feather to wear in your hat.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
There we go. We hit a thousand subscribers. Thank you,
spaced out radio listeners, appreciate you. We hit a thousand subscribers.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
There you go. That was a good push.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Yeah it was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
I hope you're happy with that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
I am more than happy with that. Thank you so much. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
The point that I was getting at with skeptics is
I think a lot of people who proud skeptics, never
mind the deniers and the debunkers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Yeah, yeah, but exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
I think too many times we think that automatically people
go to the wu you know what I'm saying, Like
like with h well, with what we do out in
the field, my buddy Tim and I, we're always looking
for that sensible answer. We are always looking Okay, was

(01:23:26):
that tree knock? Was that a woodpecker? Or was that
uh yeah, a whiskey jack? What was it? Was it
a chipmunk? What was the noise? And with forty five
seconds to go before we go to break, I think
the skeptical community doesn't realize that the majority of experiencers
out there or people sit there and say, well, that

(01:23:49):
is a big footprint. They don't know, they don't understand
that we've already debunked what it isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Yeah, yeah, and and and that's a that's a huge thing.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
It's kind of kind of the whole idea that lack
of evidence is not proof of non existence, you know,
And and just getting people to wrap their mind around
that concept is hard enough.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
I think I totally agree with you. We're going to
go to break here at the bottom of the hour.
Here we have Chris Jordan from Curious Realm on YouTube
here for another thirty minutes. We're having a great conversation.
We're going to get to some audience questions as well.
What we're going to do is I want to ask Chris,

(01:24:41):
you know his point of view, do we need the
government to tell us UFOs or here do we need
that government disclosure? Has it already happened? Because that is
stressing out the UFO community, and this gentleman is going
to have a good answer for it. I already know
Curious Realm on YouTube. Go check it on out and

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hit subscribe. We'll be right back.

Speaker 6 (01:25:12):
You're listening to Space down Medium with your host Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
All right, my man, we are clear.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Thank you so much to our s R audience on
YouTube and x and LinkedIn listening in here. Really appreciate it, guys,
really appreciate you helping Chris out tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
I like Walter's attitude of let's go for two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
That's classy, still having fun. Oh yeah, absolutely good. This
is This is the kind of conversation that I love,

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me too, Me too. Yeah, there's been.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
It's interesting being a fly on the wall in so
many communities, and there's ones again, a few that I
am heavily entrenched in, and and to see some of
the things that I've seen in like the last year
and a half. I think it's just now getting to
the point, though, where I've been entrenched in these communities
long enough that that like the other side has popped out,

(01:26:44):
you know, kind of like whenever you first start working
at a church, that first few years like it's it's great,
and you hear things and yeah, yeah, you know, okay,
But but then once you start going to the church
council meetings and everything else, You're like, holy crap, what
is all this?

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Dr I'm like, wow, wow.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
And that's what I say all the time. It's like
I'm working in a church again. Uh is what it
feels like, which is the and interspersed drama within the communities.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I think it's great, It's absolutely great.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
It's it. It feeds a lot of things that are good,
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
But at the same token, there's a lot where it's like, man,
there are some people that go to extremes, that is
for certain.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Oh yeah, oh, one n one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Then he then he get the people out there who
are like, I'm the only one who knows what I'm
doing out here.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, exactly exactly. Like there's there's a couple
of people that I see online all the time where
it's like wow, wow, like all you do is just
just straight hate on people, right, And I don't know,
I guess it's one of those is curious research.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
My job is to stand in the middle of bridges
and wave.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
Everybody into the middle, not like calling napalm strikes on
the bridges.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
I'm standing on a building.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Back in back in October, I had a show host,
a guy who I actually respect, come into my chat
room and just start carving my show. My audience and
my guests, and it was all the bullshit questions of
where's the proof, where's the evidence? You know you're lying
because you're telling a story, all this kind of crap,

(01:28:45):
and I unfortunately had to boot him. And the worst
part about it was it came at a time where
I was I'm very open Chris that I suffer from
depression and anxiety same and I I love talking about it.
Not that I brag that I have it, but I
want people, especially men, to know that it's okay to

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talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
And I figure if I can use the platform in
order to to say, hey guys, I'm not right today,
it maybe it will help somebody else reach out for
some help. But that's a different story. But it came
right at that time where I was just in a
real bad funk. And after I came out of that funk,

(01:29:30):
I literally came back to the audience and I said,
you know what, I have zero FS to give anymore.
I don't like I used to be like, no, don't
block people, don't push people out of here. They just
got to learn our chat room, who we are, what
we're about. Now it's like zero tolerance. I don't have

(01:29:51):
time for it, because if you're going to try and
bring me down, you know, because you don't want to
listen to somebody's story, or you're gonna calm my guest
a liar who is giving away two hours of their
time to entertain people. You know, you got to leave.
This isn't for you, you know. Yeah no.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
And I've definitely had that, and even you know, about
a thousand subscribers, I have had people like hop into
my chelly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
And just blast people agencies that I work with, and
it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Dude, one second here, We're coming back in ten seconds.
Sweet home, Oregon, Sasquatch Research Group, get a hold of me, please,
I'd love to bring you guys on the air to
do a show. Here we go. We're into the second

(01:30:50):
half of Spaced Out Radio tonight. My name is Dave Scott.
Thank you so much for tuning us in wherever you
are on this beautiful planet we call Earth. We have
Chris Jordan from Curious Realm on until the top of
the hour here and we're gonna get into some UFO
stuff momentarily. But first I want to make sure, I

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Out Radio Show, and on Patreon in the Space Travelers
Club from Curious Realm YouTube channel, Chris Jordan is here,
and Chris obviously you've been following the whole UFO story,
the UFO hearings in Washington, DC, the follout from that.
Who's a whistleblower, what's a whistleblower, who's not? What is evidence?

(01:31:53):
What is proof? What are they hiding? Are you just
as tired of this as I am?

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
You know, I view the panels that are happening and
the hearings that are happening in a different way.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Like I said earlier, I have never held the.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
Fact that we will get disclosure in that kind of way.
We're not going to get disclosure in a means by
which like they're going to show you wreckage or bodies
in tubes or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Of do I think that those things are out there?

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
And it's sure and absolutely I don't think that there's
any doubt that those things are out there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
I think that it's very much the way that mister
Napp put it. And you can think.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Anything you want of anybody on any side of the
aisle that's represented politically in there, or even as far
as whistleblowers or people giving testimony this time around. But
George brought up a very good point, which was the
fact of these all of these agencies, all of these

(01:32:59):
contract of these agencies have been given things, and they've
been told to defend it tooth and nail, defend it
with life, guard it with your life, don't tell anybody
about it. I think that literally the only truth that
we as people will get.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Is that something has.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
Been out there in the past at the very least,
and that people had things. I don't think we'll ever
find that out due to issues in national security. But
there's a lot that we didn't find out about Iran
Contra because of national security too. But what we did
was have somebody that at least was held accountable, and

(01:33:44):
we at least got a few answers, you know, and
we have to remember that that beautiful speech and all
of a couple of years ago I played the speech
from Eisenhower, his departing speech, and if you listen to him,
and it's especially under the understanding that he is our
last general to be a president. So he took the

(01:34:08):
oath to defend the Constitution in a different way long
before he took it politically. And when he said that,
like we gave these powers, these extra constitutional powers to
agencies and heads of industry and things like that to
build this industrial military complex, don't let them keep control

(01:34:30):
of it. You'll never get control back. That's literally what
we're up against now. We are reaping that right now,
you know. So the most that we can hope for
is a being able to pull the purse string, feel
where it's tied to, and then choke it off with

(01:34:51):
the purse string to try to get some answers of
at least, you know, are things out there that kind
of stuff. And once again, I think all the evidence
points to that. I think it was very nefarious the
way that they definitely put in a psyop professional as
the head of Arrow, while at the same time creating

(01:35:14):
a beautiful system where people can report things without actual
fear of reprisal with their career, Like there was a
person actively testifying at and giving his witness statement before Congress,
who was still a serving Navy member, like he was
like a master chief, you know, that is like a

(01:35:36):
lifetime career position. But he was still active duty and
had permission from the Navy to go speak from his superiors.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
So that's interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
You know, do we need it? Do we need Chris?
Do we need that government disclosure?

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
I don't think we need Papa's permission, you know, if
you're looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
It that kind of way.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
No, I don't think we need Papa's permission to believe
what we believe and to know what we know. However,
once again I see a lot of ire and dust
kicked up in the communities of just straight out anger
of like they ain't gonna show us nothing. It's like, no,
they're never gonna show you that. Why would you think

(01:36:26):
they ever would, Like, in all sincerity, why would you
think they ever would. It is zero percent in their
vested interest, But what is in their vested interest is
accountability of where money spent.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Things like that, So it sounds weak sauce.

Speaker 4 (01:36:47):
However, you know, never forget we we got al Capone
in prison because of taxes, not because of criminal law
in that kind of way. You know, it was it
was a paper trail that led to his conviction, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
And it's it's those kind of things that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Yeah, we have to look at it in a larger
perspective and the idea of it's not that we need
their permission, it's more that we want to be able
to hold them accountable. You know, we want to be
able to make sure that this doesn't continue, that it's
not a thread of things that continues as stuff moves forward.

(01:37:28):
Do we have to accept I mean, hey, we have
to accept the fact that we will never see the
computer chips that government computers see in them, you know,
like you're just you're not going to have technology on
the shelf that competes with government technology. You're just not
you know. So those are things that we have to accept.

(01:37:49):
We have to accept the classification of some things. But
we also have to fully doubt and be willing to
doubt things like why would they show you a video
that they can't explain?

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
Oh, I agree with you, what's in a.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Full on syop kind of way.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Why would they show you a video in public that
they cannot explain? And like just an Okham's razor kind
of way. Oh do I think portals play a part
in cryptois?

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Yea, if they do?

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Oh well, And and here's where I lie on that
once again, I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
We are all vibration. Everything.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
You and I right now, Dave, despite our distance apart,
are sharing an electron shell. By all known physics, you know,
we're all vibration, and and really all that separates us
from the adjoining bubble of reality, the next dimension that's
literally right next door and adjacent to us, is vibration.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
If you're a comic book fan like I am, if
you've ever watched The Flash or anything like that, Flash
does it all the time where he phases through a
wall by putting his hand on the wall and then
vibrating his molecules at the same rate that the walls vibrating,
and then.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
He passes straight through it. That's actual physics.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
So yeah, when you start, especially when you start thinking
about the concept of sub harmonic sound sounds below the
range or above the range of human hearing that we
know animals use.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Long range communication things like that. Could it be the
fact that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
They are using at the very least maybe frequencies like
the one I give the example of all the time
is nineteen hertz. That is one hurt below the range
of human hearing, but also the range at which the
water in your eye begins to vibrate and hallucinations happen.
It's also the frequency at which you feel like something.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
Is in the room with you watch.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
So if something like a sasquatch or even dog man
something like that was able to produce these lower end
sounds that we can't hear but our bodies feel and
react in that kind of way, is it a portal
or is.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
It the fact that they're actively just warping.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
The way that we see the reality around us by
by warping our eye or the water within it. You know,
these are these are just some interesting concepts. So I
don't know if there is physically necessarily a portal that
is opened in in like a wormhole SG one stargate

(01:40:39):
kind of way, but it is. But is it the
fact that they may be able to vibrate themselves, uh
to a point of getting through that you know, or
or passing through that veil. I think that is quite
quite literally possible. And that's a lot of what they're
talking about with UF UAP activity things like that is

(01:41:02):
the fact that it is.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
It is a.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Vibrational thing and something that is kind of passing through
as it's happening, at least the ones that are not
man made. Once again that that definition, like you said,
UAP is man made, UFO not being.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
So let's go to another question here from our audience.
Let's follow up with t Bone here, Chris, have you
come across any Faye or puck Wedgie type creatures.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
I know quite a few people who actually, uh investigate
into those things, but I have not personally come across
any of you know, actually respectfully, I will, I will
say otherwise, I have INT and I just dealt with
INT today. In INT is something that lives around me.

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And I mean, this thing happens all the time. My
wife has literally witnessed it happen. Where I have put
something down and gone right back and it's gone, and
then come like looked for it and looked for it
and ten minutes later, gone right back to that spot
and it's there. And that happened to me twice today.
I'm busy getting a lot of gear ready for a

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show out of town, and twice today that happened to me,
and and int has been with me for years and years,
so I would say that, yes, that would be my
fay experience in that kind of world when it comes
to puck wedgie and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
I know a few people from when I lived.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
In the main area stuff like that who had done
a little bit of investigation into that and at least
at least into the folklore of the area dealing with that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
So yeah, let's give t Bone the hat trick here,
all right, Chris, what is your I know what I
saw a moment, you know, my, my.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
I know what I saw.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
And this is where this comes down to belief for
me and why I will always believe the experience er
until proven otherwise, because I and because I was.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
A true believer of true believers.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
Like I've I had an experience when I was sixteen
years old. I'd been a faithful altar server Roman Catholic
for many, many years, and in the middle of mass
one day I looked up and the entire world was
covered and it was like it was covered in like cellophane,

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like tangerine colored cellophane, and everything sounded like it was underwater.
And that happened for a few minutes in the middle
of mass and I felt more love then I have.
The only only time I've felt that love is the

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day I got married and the day I held my son.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
I'm welling up right now thinking about it. That is
the feeling that I know to be my creator. That
is the feeling that I know to be the opposite
of run away from that whatever that is, run away
from that, and that that feeling actively led me to
enter the seminary.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
I left a year later.

Speaker 4 (01:44:33):
I spent many years in youth ministry after teaching and
things like that, But uh, that that was my I
know what I saw moment.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Nobody will.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
And it may be the fact one day t bone
that they scan my brain, that I go into the
doctor or something like that and they like, oh my god,
you had that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
That's a form of petny mall seizure.

Speaker 4 (01:44:57):
That does not remove that beautiful moment that changed my life,
and that led me down this entire path of exploring
what if what is my connection to something greater than
me and deeper than me and what I've ever understood.

Speaker 3 (01:45:15):
And that that's my I know what I saw moment.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
That's that would be it like that's that's led me
down the road of everything and the other experiences that
I have had where yeah, I know what I saw,
I know what I experienced, Like I I remember the
night that a shadow person grabbed me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
I know what I experienced.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Whether that can be statically proven by science through repetitious
means and a lab, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
But it's at least the first few parts of.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
The scientific method where there was an observation and an experience,
there was a gathering of data after the experience and
a questioning of what the experience was. So from there
it moves into different forms of science. But yeah, I'm
a I'm a believer's believer because of that that day.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
It's amazing and I love that you shared that story
because that is something that you know, really gets the
heart of people like you, like me. And why we
do what we do is because this has affected us
on such an emotional level of misunderstanding and not understanding

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what is truly going on outside of our three D
world that we have to do something about it. It's
our calling and our duty, well not to the people
around us, it is selfish. We do it for ourselves
because we can't find the answers to what is going on,
and so I commend you for that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Well, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:46:59):
Honestly that that's what I used to every year, whether
it was seventh grade, eleventh grade, or senior year, or
even our CIA. I ended every year's last class with
a everything I told you this year may have been
a lie go look it up, go find out, go.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
Explore go question.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
But in addition to that, it's the fact of, you know,
we've got to be open to that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
We've got to be open to the experience.

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
The universe is a slinky, and a slinky does nothing
if you don't push it. It just sits there, all
kind of bound up potential energy. But if you don't
push the universe, it doesn't move. You know, you have
to be the one to push. You got to put
your effort in. You've got to put the work in.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
And yeah, yeah, let's go to the unknown here. Absolutely,
what is the one case or experience you've investigated that
still gives you the chills even after all the years
to the field.

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
You know, I had a friend of mine when I
first came up with curious research. I was telling a
friend of mine about video editing and photo editing, and
she sent me a picture that I use in my presentations.
I don't have it in my system, otherwise.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
I'd bring it up.

Speaker 4 (01:48:24):
But it was a picture that she took of a
house across the street and it looks like something's in
the window, and when you start enlarging.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
It, you can see it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
But once you start putting it through processing, this thing
takes on like full shape and there is like dimensionality
where it curves around the backside and has shadow that
is projected from that. So it's like, this is a
three dimensional fit. Whatever this is that's just in the

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middle of this is real. It's there and it is
three dimensional, like it's an actual thing with presents.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
I have to ask, was that the alien in the
window from Anseline? Yes, yeah, I've seen that photo.

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
Yeah, And and if you saw the processed stuff, that
was me so yeah, yeah, that one. That one was
one that was just like, wow, Okay, that's that's creepy stuff. Man,
that's that's really wild. And and personally, I would say
that the the most chilling experience that I've had was

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was definitely I was probably about four years old, and
this is this is where when I said that feeling
of warmth and beauty, and how it was directly the opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
This is the direct opposite. And this is.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
Something that still chills me every day. I was very young.
We lived in a house. Our neighbors lived back behind
us in a little field, and we had like one
of those rickety tetanus swing sets, you know from the
late nineteen seventies, or as you touch it, you're gonna
get cut, but you gotta go swing. And there I

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was looking out from our house to our neighbor's house
in the back, and there was this shadowy figure. The
only way I can describe it is it was it
was the devil like. It looked like the devil from
a can of ham like. It was a shadowy figure
with horns, and it was beckoning me to come out.

(01:50:50):
And that is the first time in my life that
I remember feeling fear, and that I remember feeling the
utter feeling of dread and get away from here.

Speaker 7 (01:51:06):
Now, but being frozen, being absolutely and when when people say, like,
you know, I I saw a sasquatch, well why didn't
you take a picture?

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
Like I couldn't move, man, That was the feeling that
was the feeling like i've and it sticks with me
to this day, and it is it is what I
know as the sensation of needing to run, needing, needing
to get away from this right now, whatever this is,

(01:51:36):
I need to not be in the presence of it.
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
And that that is one of the one of the
first memories of my life is that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:51:51):
Let's get in one more question here before we got
to say good eye to you, because we only got
two and a half minutes. And this goes to leach him.
Is there any cryptid et or phenomena in general that
scares you?

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
You know, more than anything, It's it's us.

Speaker 4 (01:52:14):
Like my friend Chester Moore said, there's there's nothing more dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
In the woods than us. We are the most frightening thing.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
And and with all of these things, with all of this,
it's it's us. I think that frightens me the most
because it's us that will hold it against each other.
It's us that will deride each other because of an experience.
It's us that will call somebody's experience into such question
that it will lead them into those douldrooms of depression

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and things like that. Societally leecham and or do you
prefer the spicy lizard?

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
But it's one of those.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
It to me, I think that's the most dangerous thing.
That's the scariest thing is the want to belittle somebody
for their experience and the want to make people feel
other than.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
I get you there, my friend. It was an absolute
pleasure to have you on spaced Out Radio for the
first time tonight. I hope we did you some justice
because I know you did with not only myself and
our audience, and very proud to help you push over
a thousand subscribers tonight. Absolutely, thank you, no problem. Tell

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everybody where they can find your work.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
We are live every Tuesday at eight pm Central US
time with Curious Realm, always new content, never repeat, never
taken a night off, never done a best of. In addition,
you can find everything at Curious Research. You can find
the observation and encounterlog there pocket.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Size ready for your investigations.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
It even has a scientific measure on the back for
you to be able to take photographs and stuff like that.
So when you have it in your back pocket, you
can lay it right down next to that track, take
a picture of it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
Have a known size, quantitative things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
So yeah, you can find everything, including the protocols for
awakening together all that kind of good stuff at curiousresearch
dot org.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Chris, I appreciate you coming on spaced Out Radio tonight,
an absolute pleasure. Coming up next, Swamp Dweller will kick
things off. Then Katie Page will be here for a
new feature that we call the Encounters. You're listening to
spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott. What a

(01:55:05):
great show, my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:55:07):
Thank you, Hey, thank you. That was absolutely incredible. What
a great way to spend my night.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
Appreciate it. Keep in touch. I'd like to do this again.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
Absolutely same here. I'd love to have you on Curious
Realm to talk about things. And hey, you ever need
somebody like I'm self employed, bud.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
This is all in my house, so do it. You
ever need somebody to just hop on a show, you
let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
I will definitely I'll put you in the base. Take care, Thanks,
great night, Thank you for everything. Thank you, take care
all right, Katie, I know you're listening in. I'll be
back in a couple of minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:55:41):
Okaya, apparent I've got turn off the.

Speaker 9 (01:58:01):
The speaking button. There we are sneak in while Dave's
gone up to put the dog Man and Sasquatch out
for Pee. Just draw a quick cartoon here for advertisement purposes.

(01:58:33):
This is going to be this is going to be
a cartoon for so I can make my ads for
the Saturday show fancy dancing and everything like that. So
it's like, oh what instead of having a.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
As much as I that was tim of the upside down.

Speaker 9 (01:58:53):
Eyeball did for me, make you a couple of little
drawing through some thumbnails. This could be awesome, and then
I'll have some fancy things for somebnails for the weekend show.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
Excellent.

Speaker 9 (01:59:12):
And if anyone's wondering the Grimlin and the gargoyle just
sitting there on top of the printer as they usually are,
you screw up here for one second. Oh yes, oh yeah,

(01:59:36):
param Marpez. By the way, I have a new uh,
I have a new book out. Just plug in Crypty
Cartoons Volume two on Amazon. But it'll be there, which
like I am here right now. And if you ever
buy one and you go to spaced out radio thing
and we're hanging out in junk call, I will sign

(01:59:57):
your book and.

Speaker 3 (01:59:59):
Nope, oh my, it's a dirty hike Jack Da.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
Look at this. Yeah, dirty Phil so excited Katie's coming on.

Speaker 10 (02:00:15):
That.

Speaker 1 (02:00:16):
He jumps on in beautiful. I love this. I know
Katie's gonna be excited. Let's let's bring her in. Let's
say Hi Katie, Hi Katie. Your mic is muted.

Speaker 11 (02:00:34):
Goody evening.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
How you doing beautiful?

Speaker 11 (02:00:39):
I'm doing good. I took a power nap a little bit,
so I'm like Kevin getting my second wind going here.

Speaker 9 (02:00:46):
Owls.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
You know what's funny is people in my town are
all excited because the first wall of our first McDonald's
is up on the building. So people in my town
are going like crazy. Right now there's a wall up.
Is mm hm about a taco bell?

Speaker 4 (02:01:06):
Dave?

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
Apparently you're coming excited. A big thank you.

Speaker 11 (02:01:12):
Tonight from the McDonald's menu, What do you order?

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
Big mac combo without pickles and a McChicken burger?

Speaker 11 (02:01:20):
All right, another no pickle lover. I'm a no pickle
person too.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
We have eight seconds, people, so I'll get you to
mute up. Katie. We're gonna play swamp Dweller for four
minutes and then you're on. Oh okay, here comes the
third and final hour of Spaced Out Radio tonight. Good

(02:01:46):
to have you with us. My name is Dave Scott.
We appreciate you tuning us on in wherever you are
on this beautiful planet we call Earth. Swamp Dweller and
Katie Page with a new feature on spaced Out Radio
called the Coming up here momentarily. But first we want
to say hello to everyone tuning us in on our

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(02:02:49):
on spaced Out Radio, let's head to the swamp.

Speaker 3 (02:02:53):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radios.

Speaker 10 (02:02:55):
Swamp On, Swamp Dweller, and tonight I'm going to take
you on the mystic journey of the unknown, sharing tales
of monsters, legends, and nightmares. Welcome to the spased out
Radio Swamp high swamp dweller. My name is Seth. During
the summer of twenty twenty, I moved to the South
Georgia area near the Okefinokee Swamp. There are tons of

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alligators and snakes everywhere here. In case some people may
or may not know, it is the biggest swamp in
the United States, as it corners the southeast part of
the state and into northern Florida. Anyways, my house sits
on the edge of a canal, which is about ten
miles from a state park. Nothing but deep forests around
the four bedroom house. Plenty of late nights, I can

(02:03:42):
hear gators hissing from the water as I sit on
my back porch. The porch sits alone on the upper floor,
right above the main level porch. It has no stairs,
so I'm at a safe distance away from any of
the wild predators that could be looking around, like black bears, coyotes, hogs,
and from when I hear the occasional jaguar. One night,

(02:04:03):
I am on the porch having my second beer and
I hear something from an echo. It was coming from
the water, and it sounded like a loud, wailing creature.
I thought to myself, this is fresh water. One on
Earth would be in the swamp that could sound like that.
Is there something in the swamp that I don't know about.
The creature got closer to my house as it made

(02:04:24):
its final sound. That is when things got extremely quiet.
All the crickets and frogs came to an abrupt stop.
That is when I tensed. Up On my table was
my spotlight, so I grabbed it and shine the light
directly into the water where I had been feeling the
creature would be. I saw something tremendous, but I could

(02:04:44):
not see the creature. I saw a huge wake of
water rising. As I stood up in fear, my chair
falls off its legs. Whatever this thing is sure was
not an alligator. Not even a full length twelve to
fourteen foot adult could do what I was witnessing right now.
I've hunted plenty of gaters with friends during the season.

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I've never heard of anything else that lives in the
swamp that could be like this. I get more frightened
the more I think about it. About a week later,
my buddy asked me if I wanted to go hunt
more gaters. It was a tough decision for me, but
as much as I love gator hunting, I finally said
yes and asked my wife if it was fine. She
gave me the approval since she did not have any

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plans for the day, and we headed out into his boat.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
We began the.

Speaker 10 (02:05:31):
Day by checking the crawfish traps that he had set up.
As I started to load the rifle and put all
forty gater tags in the box, I had told him
about last night and asked if he had ever heard
anything like this or had some sort of experience similar.
He stopped the boat before we got to the fifth trap,
and he said that he had lost a relative to
this so called creature about four years ago on a

(02:05:53):
late night that nobody has ever been able to explain,
and nobody has ever seen this thing, but the sound
that it makes is the same thing that I heard
that night. The way he explained it almost gave me chills.
I felt so bad for his loss, though, as he
started to tear up a little, and I told him
how sorry I was. He never spoke about it after that,

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but we had a great day, catching over one hundred
pounds of crawfish and thirteen gators from nine to eleven
feet long. It was quite an impressive day for us.
Later that night, he wanted to go back to the
water to catch some frogs. This is when it happened again.
I went with him with my thirty rifle just in case.
I could not let him go alone. But at the

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same time, I was fearing for our lives. As we
got into the boat and the water, the creature was
at a greater distance, this time from its echo, so
we tried to hurry and catch up to the twenty
frogs that we needed to meet our goal. We could
hear the creature getting closer and making huge splashes. Yet again,
we did not waste any more time to stop and
hurriedly caught the last few frogs. As soon as we

(02:06:58):
caught the last one, we turned the boat in jenn
and scrambled out of the area. He gave me half
of all the catches he had. Our family and friends
had a feast the next day. We decided to never
go catching frogs that late.

Speaker 6 (02:07:10):
Ever.

Speaker 10 (02:07:11):
Again, we still don't know what this creature was, but
it still haunts us to this day.

Speaker 1 (02:07:18):
Thank you swamp Dweller for another spooky story we have
for you to play each and every night to kick
off our number three. If you want to listen to
more Swamp Dweller, head on over to his YouTube channel
Swamp Dweller. Hit subscribering that bell and you get thousands
of stories right there for free. We have an amazing

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new feature here on spaced Out Radio. We're gonna call
it the Encounters where Katie Page from Rocky Mountain Research
is going to come in once a week to tell
us some weird, strange, spooky encounters. Here we go, sschuncis

(02:08:19):
Katie Page. Welcome to the spaced Out Radio family. Do
you like your new theme song?

Speaker 9 (02:08:26):
It's very upbeat and catchy.

Speaker 3 (02:08:28):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
I noticed a little shock when you heard your name
said on it.

Speaker 3 (02:08:33):
I did.

Speaker 11 (02:08:35):
This is a first for me. Thank you for having
me every Wednesday night.

Speaker 9 (02:08:38):
This is a treat.

Speaker 11 (02:08:40):
So I have never done anything like this before and
I had to katieize it. So you know, I decided
to make this encounter segment a little learning adventure for
all of us. I even you know, I'm a little
adhd right Dave, you know that, right? Yes, So, in
order to organize my thoughts. I thought, every week what

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we're going to do, Starting with Alabama, We're going to
feature a state or go alphabetical order, So next week
will be Alaska. So I would love to see in
the chat if we have anybody from Alabama, and in
the future, if anybody Sonight, next Wednesday, we're going to
focus on Alaska, and if anybody has a cool encounter

(02:09:23):
story they would like me to cover, you can go
to Rocky Mountain ranch research dot org or kiepage net
and send me your encounter stories and maybe I'll share
them on the segment too. But for tonight, we're going
to start with a good old state of Alabama. And
I thought I would use this as a learning opportunity
so I can learn about each individual state. And then
I thought it would be fun. Maybe at the end

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of all this, we'll put it in a little booklet
or something for everybody, right you put it on my
Patreon page or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
I love it. I love it. It will get dirty
filth to.

Speaker 6 (02:09:55):
Do the art.

Speaker 11 (02:09:56):
Yes, I made a book. I'm going to collect them.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
I love it. State before you get started, Okay. I
love helping out YouTube channels, especially for friends of mine,
and you recently had a little snaffoo on your YouTube
channel where you literally lost it and had to rebuild it.
So I did I want to encourage your own fault.

Speaker 11 (02:10:18):
It wasn't like it was taken down either. I literally
had two channels and it said I was deleting the
one with three subscribers. In one video it popped and
I deleted it thinking I was safe, and it wasn't.
It deleted my main channel and I was that close
to being able to anyway. Yeah, it was a sad,
sad day, but I'm rebuilding it. So thank you for

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mentioning that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:42):
Well. We encourage all of our spaced out radio listeners
to go on YouTube. Type in Rocky Mountain Ranch Research
that's Katie Page's channel, and make sure what you do
is you hit subscribe, ring that bell. Let's try and
get her back to over one thousand subscribers as quickly
as possible. Make sure you watch all her videos too,

(02:11:02):
so she could monetize the channel as well. What do
you got forced from Alabama?

Speaker 11 (02:11:06):
Whenever you have to put it on mute while you're
cooking dinner or something, you don't want to listen to it, Hey,
it doesn't know what if it's running in the background.
But yeah, it's a slow process. I'm not even quite
yet to three hundred. So I would really appreciate all
your help and support out there if you could just
go hit that subscribe button. That helps me out a lot.
So I appreciate that day. Thank you, and thank you

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to everybody out there. So Alabama, So okay, these these
are encounter stories, and I want to just start with
one of the first encounters that really kind of set
off Project Signs. So Project sign became before Project Grudge,
and then of course Project blue Book. But this is
a famous sighting out of Alabama. And I like this

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sighting a lot because it is a pilot sighting. Two
pilots with thousands of hours are flying in There was
at a DC eight I believe, no a DC three,
and looking at pictures of the old DC threes. Oh
my gosh. So this was back in nineteen forty eight,
and back in nineteen forty eight. First of all, I

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think you're brave flying any airplane back in those days.
But they had these big, huge, comfy seats, right, So
we have two pilots flying near Montgomery, Alabama, and they
see what they described as a torpedo shaped UFO in

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the sky and they only watch it for ten seconds,
but if you think about it, ten seconds is fairly long.
It was long enough for these pilots to draw what
they saw. And I mean it looked like it had
two rows of windows. It had this red light out
of it. And the skeptics say, well, it could have

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just been, you know, a comet or an asteroid or
something like that. But these pilots have thousands of hours
of time fought in World War Two military pilot's commercial pilots,
and they were quite confident that comets do not fly
at a level trajectory and then shoot up. Comets typically

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fall down, right, So this was a really important sighting.
And what really really makes us cool is I can
kind of relate it to the Snippy case. In nineteen
sixty seven they saw something very similar. This particular craft
two reported of having a blue light on it as well.
So again this is the child's witted sighting from July

(02:13:35):
twenty fourth, nineteen forty eight, and there was an hour
earlier there was a second witness on the ground. He
was a chief ground crew from Robin's Air Force Base
and he witnessed this same craft described it almost identical

(02:13:57):
to what the pilots described an earlier from the ground.
So that's a third third witness. And then we have
a fourth witness. One of the passengers also spotted from
his passenger window this same craft. And one of the
arguments for this craft is that maybe it was a

(02:14:18):
V two rocket. But why that doesn't work is because,
as most of you know, with Project paper Clip, they
brought over, you know, the Russian scientists and stuff, but
they were actually stationed in Texas and they're in Alabama.

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We have the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama,
but that didn't really get started till nineteen fifty and
there was a second rocker. It was a little larger
than the V two rocker, called the Redstone Rocket, but
that that did never that never launched out of Huntsville,

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and that first flight was in nineteen fifty three. So
you know, I really like this case too because it
really ruled out the B two rocket, the Redstone Rocket,
and any other craft like that. So that is the
UFO sighting out of Alabama. Now let's get into the
cryptid sighting. So one of the most famous cryptids in

(02:15:21):
the state of Alabama is called the white Thying. And
here's a picture of the white thing. And I love
this cryptid story put because again this reminds me of
the cryptid out at the Rocky Mountain Ranch in Colorado.
These are white, seven to eight foot hairy creatures with
red glowing eyes. You know, they don't smell too great,

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and this is spotted quite often in northern Alabama. What
I thought was interesting about this some people say that
the white thing doesn't even have thyeing, doesn't have any eyes.
It runs super fast and or we'll get down on
all fours very much like a skin walker type. So
I wonder if it can morphit shape like that. Some say, well,

(02:16:06):
when it gets down on all fours, the white thing
will resemble a lion or a sloth, which is kind
of funny because loss as the slow so I'm like,
how can they compare it to a lion ami sloth
At the same time, but the sound the white thing
makes sounds like a screaming woman. So that is that's
Alabama's cryptid, the white thing.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
That is creepy. You know, Tim James, when we were
out at Flight twenty one, a couple weeks ago, he
actually saw something white that he thought was a wolf
running on all fours, and we went looking for it.
It disappeared. And it's funny because Robin Haynes in her breakdown,

(02:16:51):
she wasn't even there, she doesn't even know the area.
And I said to her, what happened?

Speaker 3 (02:16:57):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (02:16:57):
Robin, tell us what happened? And she said, yeah, I'm
getting the image of There were three of them there.
There was a blonde one, a cinnamon colored one, and
a white one that was kind of running on all fours.
She goes and says this right, and we're like, how
the hell do you know that?

Speaker 3 (02:17:16):
How do you know that?

Speaker 10 (02:17:18):
So?

Speaker 1 (02:17:18):
Yeah, I these white ones are weirdly awesome, right.

Speaker 11 (02:17:23):
And the ones in Melburg County were called the white fuzzies.
So we got the white than and the white fuzzy.
And it would be kind of interesting as we go
state to state every week to see what the cryptids
are and how they vary from state to state, Like
I really kind of want to like, what is you know?
How you have a state bird and a state flower
and a state tree. We're gonna have state cryptids. That's

(02:17:46):
our goal here on SPACETI Radio. I love it, State
Red So the Strange, the Strangest encounter in Alabama. I
love this one too, because you know me, I love
the seventies. That's sort of like my decade of focus.
So I came across this strange encounter from Fulkville, Alabama.
It happened October seventeenth, nineteen seventy three. And I like

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this case too because it involves a police officer on
the around ten o'clock at night. He gets a phone
call from a woman who was very frightening because a
UFO had landed in a nearby field. So he's like, oh,
it's probably a prank, there's nothing to it. I'll go
check it out. So he goes to her property and
he's on patrol, doesn't see anything. He's watching for fifteen

(02:18:31):
twenty minutes and nothing's going on. Create lady must be
a little battye or whatever. So he gets in his
patrol car and starts to leave the ranch. And this
is kind of creepy standing in the road, not making
any sound. Standing on this dirt gravel road, he sees
this et says it's about six feet tall, wearing a

(02:18:57):
reflective metal suit. Like four And what's funny about this
to me too? In the seventies, so it says it
looked like it had an antenna on its head, no
facial features, no eyes, no mouth, only the green haw
said none that the green hall could see, no features
that the police officer could see. He stopped the car,

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He took out the camera and snapped a few photos.
The creature didn't speak, it didn't move towards him, at
least not immediately. Then reportedly it turned and ran off,
moving unnaturally fast, and disappeared into the field or woods. Now,
what's really interesting about this kind of robotic, metal suited
creature that is standing in the road that this officer sees.

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It's also very similar to to be Guy and some
of the other reports that are really well known for
that decade. Right the nineteen seventies, we had a lot
of these antennae or helmeted et creatures and stuff like that.
But so that was kind of a funny case. What
he that, Dave.

Speaker 1 (02:20:02):
I love those type of encounters that come from like
the fifties through the seventies where police officers run into things.
You know, it reminds me of the Frogman of Ohio
type story. And one thing about policing back then. And
I think one of the issues that we have, Katie,
is at times we try and look at things with

(02:20:24):
a twenty twenty five mindset, not a nineteen fifty six
or a nineteen seventy one mindset, where people at that
time trusted the police and their word. You know, they
were actually doing community service, not policing, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (02:20:44):
Especially in these rural areas like that, these small towns
you know out there, they were almost I mean, they
were very embedded into the communities. Like you said, they
drove their patrol cars home at night, you know kind
of things.

Speaker 1 (02:21:01):
Absolutely, So hearing this story from this police officer is amazing.
I wish more police would do that today. Like I've
talked to a number of Royal Canadian amount of police
in my town about a lot of the weird and
strange stuff. And I actually have one mountee who will
come up to me every time he sees me, Hey man,

(02:21:21):
you got any new Sasquatch stories? But he They've told
me no. Numerous officers have told me that you wouldn't
believe in my area how many times they get called
out haunted houses where people see, you see a shadow
in their house and immediately call the police, or they
hear something big walking through their property in a rural

(02:21:44):
area and they call police. I'm like I said to
them many times, the police is it?

Speaker 10 (02:21:49):
Call me?

Speaker 1 (02:21:51):
Call me, I'll come. I know how to deal with
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:21:53):
Call me, I know. Isn't that so true?

Speaker 11 (02:21:57):
People used to call the police for hauntings. And speaking
of hauntings, I'll end it with because every week too,
I want to do a UFO E T siting, a
cryptos writing, and a paranormal one. So for the Alabama,
their famous paranormal ghost is out of Huntington College and
this story, I guess this woman in red has said

(02:22:20):
to haunt this college campus for decades. She unfortunately, she
was very quiet, very withdrawn when she was alive. When
she was a student there, this used to be a
woman's college and then later it opened up to both
the sexes. When she was there, I believe it was
both sexes if I'm correct on that, I'm pretty sure.

(02:22:40):
But she had like red drapes in her dorm room,
wore red shoes, red dresses. Everything was red. And so
she's known as a Lady in Red and she you know,
is seen going in and on the walls or standing
at the foot of your bed. But she unfortunately did
take her life there at the college. So she has
said to haunt that campus for a very long time.

(02:23:04):
So she's known as the Lady in Red. Wow. Yeah,
which reminds me of the Lady in White. There's a
famous cemetery in Chicago. I went on a ghost tour
and they have a Lady in White at the cemetery there.
So we have all these ladies in different colored dresses.

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So that is my Alabama for today. How are we
doing on time?

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
I have, We got one minute and I just want
to I just want to ask one thing from you.
As you go state by state mm hmm. I'd appreciate
if you went province by province and territory by territory too.

Speaker 2 (02:23:46):
Oh.

Speaker 11 (02:23:47):
That will be very very educational for me, so I
can learn all about Canada while I'm at it. I
love that.

Speaker 1 (02:23:52):
I will add that I love it. Tell everybody where
they can find your YouTube channel.

Speaker 11 (02:23:58):
My YouTube is Rocky Mountain Ranch Research with Katie Paige.
Just type that in you will find it. My website
is Rockymountain ranchresearch dot org, or you can go to
Katie page and that's Paige dot net. And if you guys,
next week will be Alaska. So if anybody has any

(02:24:19):
encounters from Alaska, send them to me and maybe we'll
talk about them next Wednesday night.

Speaker 1 (02:24:24):
I love it, Katie Paige. Everybody in a new feature
that we call the Encounters here on spaced Out Radio.
Katie will join us midweek each and every week. I
love her. She's one of my favorite people in this field.
I'm so glad she's part of it. Dave one O
one is next.

Speaker 6 (02:24:42):
And this is spaced Out Radio and your host's name Stop.

Speaker 1 (02:25:08):
Katie. If you want to take this segment and clip
it and put it on your channel for views and
ratings and everything, just tag spaced Out Radio in it.
But you're more than welcome to thank you.

Speaker 6 (02:25:25):
I do that.

Speaker 1 (02:25:27):
It will give you a little bit more different content
too on what we're doing.

Speaker 11 (02:25:31):
I love it. Well, have a good rest of the show, guys.

Speaker 2 (02:25:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:25:36):
You were amazing. I hope you had fun.

Speaker 11 (02:25:40):
See you next Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
Absolutely, good night, everybody. Katie Paige, everybody, she is amazing.
We love her around here.

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
We do.

Speaker 1 (02:25:51):
We're going to say good night to her. Night Katie,
good night, Katie Paige. How awesome is she? What a
score for us to get her on the show with
us absolute score? She's amazing. I love her theme song.

(02:26:12):
I'll play it one more time because it's fun.

Speaker 3 (02:26:14):
Where did I put it here?

Speaker 5 (02:26:15):
Here?

Speaker 9 (02:26:15):
It is.

Speaker 11 (02:26:24):
Bluely bad.

Speaker 1 (02:26:48):
Dirty filth.

Speaker 3 (02:26:53):
Mm hmm. Hello Dave, Hello dirty, Hello Dave, Hello dirty.

Speaker 9 (02:27:00):
I poured myself a nice glass tea. H how's your
nack going, Dave?

Speaker 1 (02:27:11):
What do you think I should talk about for my
Dave one on one? I got a couple of ways
I could go here. What do you think cryptid, UFO
or paranormal?

Speaker 9 (02:27:23):
You know what I think you should talk about ufo, Dave,
That's what we should go with. But you know what
I really want people to talk about. I know you're
not a big fan of it, but the Panama Green Glob,
Black Glob. I have to draw that as a cartoon
sometime soon.

Speaker 3 (02:27:43):
But I think about it.

Speaker 9 (02:27:47):
Dave keeps doing it, Someone's gonna some's gonna have some
entertainment value and all of this stuff. What if he's
actually telling the truth and he actually has a spiky
green media write like everybody's watched Creep Show before.

Speaker 1 (02:28:03):
Mm hm, so.

Speaker 9 (02:28:06):
I don't know if he's actually got an alien and
that's this that's the catastrophic disclosure or.

Speaker 1 (02:28:13):
Whatever they're calling it. You're a catastrophic art closure. By
the way, you'll be really happy. I got a beautiful
stand for your book that I could show off in
the showroom, yeah, or in the studio now.

Speaker 9 (02:28:34):
But I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (02:28:37):
I gotta I gotta take I gotta get one more
so when I get when I get volume two, that
way I can put it up there as well.

Speaker 9 (02:28:47):
I'm already having away a Volume three, Dave. There's ninety
eight drawings for volume three so far. I have no
idea where I came up with this stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:28:59):
I love it. I love it. I still think you
need to do any a A A A I can't
even speak. I would love it if you did a
cartoon on Tim and I sitting in the lawn chairs
with sasquatch farting in the in the forest.

Speaker 9 (02:29:24):
Just text me a message of that so I can
put into the cue of things that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:28):
Have gotten well it's recorded here now well, yeah, but
I still have to break it down. That would be
funny though. J truth Seeker.

Speaker 9 (02:29:40):
Did you know that j Truth Seeker is actually his? His?
The J stands for justice and he's a paladin.

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
Here I thought it was here. I thought it was
jumbo shrimp.

Speaker 9 (02:29:54):
I like jump shrimp.

Speaker 1 (02:29:55):
I do like a good jumbo shrimp.

Speaker 10 (02:29:56):
I do.

Speaker 1 (02:29:59):
All right, big thank you tonight to Pam t Bone,
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Alaska's greatest athlete, and AJ for the amazing super chats tonight.
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Speaker 9 (02:31:48):
For on.

Speaker 1 (02:32:13):
All right, We're gonna get into the UFO subject tonight
because it's been a while since I ranted on that,
and I figured, what the heck, It's that time to
finally go down the rabbit hole of ufology. And my
big question to each and every one of you is
do you really want disclosure? What would disclosure mean to you? Well,

(02:32:35):
if testimony is anything that we saw just a couple
of weeks ago, it really shows the massive cover up
that is going on. George Napp did a phenomenal job
at calling out the government officials for the cover up,
saying follow the money trail, follow it. It leads right

(02:32:56):
out of Washington. D c into the hands of government
contractors in the military industrial complex, and because they can't
be foyed, they get to hide anything they want, including disclosure. Now,
what would disclosure mean to you? What would it look like?

(02:33:17):
Because to all of us it looks a little bit
different than what my disclosure wouldn't mean compared to your
disclosure and so on and so forth. For instance, my
disclosure means everything. And as much as it may hurt
when we rip the band aid off, it needs to

(02:33:38):
be done. So what does my disclosure look like? Well,
I want to see inside that little Pandora's box sitting
inside the Pentagon, probably seventy eight stories below. The building,
probably has some sort of spotlights in it and is
in some guarded UFC type k age surrounding it, okay,

(02:34:02):
with like land mines surrounding that so that way like
nobody can get in there, And inside that Pandora's box
is probably some incredible stories. To me, disclosure coming out
of that UFO Pandora's box means what technology does the

(02:34:24):
United States government have? Are they currently in contact with
alien species or intercepting any type of radio signal from
these extraterrestrials that could be caused for concern or cause
for enlightenment. This Pandora's box would also wonder whether or

(02:34:46):
not the Eisenhower story where he traded humans for ets
or partly for et technology in order to advance the
technology on this planet, did that happen? What about Bob Lazar,
What about David Adair's rocket? What about so many different
stories like Roswell, j Rod and many more. These are

(02:35:10):
the stories and the encounters that I believe opens up disclosure. Look,
if you are a supporter of the United States government
talking about UAP, or they're talking about UFOs or aliens,
little green men, whatever the topic may be, remember that

(02:35:34):
the government is very very good at controlling narratives. A
lot of people in the UFO world will sit there
and say, I don't care what the narrative is. We
just want disclosure. We want the President of the United
States to stand up at the White House podium and say,

(02:35:54):
my fellow Americans, we have confirmed we are not alone
in this universe. Extraterrestrials have been coming here for centuries
and get used to it, and they're really good aliens,
they're the best. You know what I'm talking about? Okay,
that's not the disclosure we need. This opens up so

(02:36:19):
many doors that if it isn't opening up the doors
for you, they might as well keep things closed forever
and ever why well, let's face it, disclosure has a
lot of impact on society. The idea that aliens have

(02:36:40):
been here for millennia or are currently on their way
here or wherever they may be, if they have bases
under the ocean or bases inside mountains like Mount Shasta,
we need to know about it. There are eight billion
people on this planet that this story is to effect.

(02:37:01):
There's only a couple of subjects matters that would affect
every person on the planet. A major nuclear catastrophe, a
polar shift creating maybe a new ice age that would
kind of suck for a lot of people. What else

(02:37:22):
would aliens? Maybe an asteroid coming from space like the
movie Armaged I don't know. That may hurt too. But
there are certain subjects, and there are very few that
will affect everybody on the planet. Whether you live in
the concrete jungles of North America or you live in

(02:37:43):
the real jungles of say Southeast Asia or South America, Africa,
wherever it may be, the middle of Australia. People will
be affected by any et contact and the fact that
they may be hiding aircraft, alien bodies, DNA, time travel

(02:38:07):
or whatever it may be. Maybe multi dimensional jumping. Okay,
it doesn't matter. That is disclosure. If you want the
controlled time, you don't want to drive the Lamborghini, You're
happy driving your nineteen eighty six Toyota Corolla because hey,
you got wheels to get around. It's the same example.

(02:38:29):
I want the public to know about what is being
hidden because until we uncover the truth of what's been
held from us in the past, there is no way
this subject can move forward without giving us information. Not
grainy videos from a flear camera off an F eighteen

(02:38:51):
super hornet. That doesn't count. We need the real videos.
As I said earlier in the show, and our guest
Chris Jordan brought up NASA. NASA has been lying to
us for years. We need that information. Their astronauts have
come out, their test pilots have come out, their scientists

(02:39:14):
have come out. Okay, there is record on public knowledge
and you can go listen and hear it and read
it for yourself. Where you have scientists and transcripts talking
about alien and UFO encounters, whether it was on the
Moon or whether it was test flights and test rockets

(02:39:36):
going up into space from Gemini right up to the
Shuttle program and probably today with SpaceX it is happening.
We have a right to know. As much of the
government says, no, no, no, no no, you don't have
a right to know. You just be happy people with
what you got, pay your taxes and shut your mouth.

(02:39:58):
That's exactly the way we treated about this subject. So
what disclosure do you want for you? Personally? I will
not be satisfied until everything is out in the open.
You would think after almost eighty years, seventy eight to
be exact, that we would know about Roswell, but we don't.

(02:40:21):
We just celebrated the seventy third anniversary of the Flatwoods
Monster in West Virginia, where this alien metallic thing was
seen floating above the ground by four young men. They
ran home to catch a call the police car to
come catch whatever this thing was. They noticed it and

(02:40:44):
learn about it after seeing a fireball come down in
the sky and they went to investigate after stopping their
football game, and all they saw was this greasy type
goo in the forest. This creature was never seen again.
Stanton Friedman, the late nuclear physicist, calls it one of
the greatest encounters of ET that he's ever studied. It's

(02:41:07):
a bad ass story. We need to know, is that
Reel or DoD? What does the government know? Okay? Imagine
if the story of j Rod is real. Okay for
people who don't know who j Rod is, Okay, this

(02:41:29):
is an alien gray that is said was said to
be at Area fifty one. Okay. And there's a lot
of controversy about this about this story because apparently j
Rod was a survivor of the nineteen fifty three Kingman

(02:41:49):
UFO crash and then allegedly was transferred to Area fifty one,
where he helped work with the US government to reverse
engineer alien technology. Now, whether or not this story is true,
we'll never know, because it's in that UFO Pandora's box. Okay,
So apparently there were a few bodies that did not

(02:42:12):
survive the Kingman crash. Jrod was very helpful and apparently
helped the US government and former Navy pilot Bill u
House learn about this technology. Until the mid nineteen sixties,
the alien communicated through speech, but sounded like a parrot,

(02:42:33):
primarily offering scientific and engineering advice. Some accounts suggest Jrod
was not an alien, but a human from the future
whose species split after an Earth catastrophe, developing insectoid type traits.
You know, Dan Burish has talked about this story as

(02:42:53):
well about whether or not this happened. This is a
very controversial story indeed, But do you not think that
that falls under the disclosure movement? I personally do we
want to make sure that these stories come out? Okay,
if they don't, we're being ripped off. So I ask

(02:43:17):
you once again, what is disclosure to you? Because the
infighting that we are seeing within social media platforms, especially
x are getting extremely topic toxic and pushing people away
because of the way people are treating people. And you
would think that we might learn from some of that.

(02:43:38):
Considering recent history around the United States and North America
and the world. We're not in a happy place right now.
And if you push it onto the UFO subject, it
doesn't get any better. It really doesn't. People are treating
people like garbage for what UFOs and eight Come on,

(02:44:02):
we can do better, We should strive to do better. Yes,
we need to let the science talk. But if they
continue the disclosure topic, we're just going to keep going
around in circles. A lot of the big wigs in
this field already believe that there is no disclosure to
be had. Eventually, there's going to be a giant cover

(02:44:24):
up coming up, and basically the big wigs coming out saying, Okay, people,
you've had enough of this. It's time to push this
subject under the rug where it belongs, and then we're
going to be back to square one. I think we
may have got a little greedy and probably deserve that,
but anyways, the stories are way much better than the

(02:44:47):
information at all. But we still have some hard hitters
who are still trying to move the process forward, and
kudos to them for continuing to work on it. Now,
this could be a number of people. Whether you you
like them and not is irrelevant. Somebody like George Knapp,
Jeremy Corbel, Christopher Sharp from The Liberation Times, many others,

(02:45:09):
Ross Coltart another one. You may not like their work,
you may not agree with their work, but the fact is,
as long as they have the information line open, we're
going to be moving slower and slower, but we're still
going to be moving the ball forward. So instead of
say a timeline of three years of something happening, maybe

(02:45:31):
it happens in the next fifty years. And I think
that might be actually the story behind it all. They
may not believe that we're ready for it now. The
world is a bastion of a brutality right now. Do
we really need to know that aliens are here to
throw another wrench in the cog machine? I don't think

(02:45:53):
we do, and that might be one of the reason
why they're not disclosing closure. That's your day of one
oh one. Let's get to the news.

Speaker 6 (02:46:07):
As God as my witness.

Speaker 1 (02:46:09):
I thought turkeys could fly.

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Ladies and gentlemen, here is the latest bulletin from the
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I am good at things, fighting and.

Speaker 3 (02:46:18):
Reading the news.

Speaker 1 (02:46:20):
It's time once again were spaced out radios weird news
of the week. Have you got your Halloween costume picked
out yet? Well, maybe it's time. But there was a
big lawsuit that just finished up. Hershey's received a treat

(02:46:41):
this past week when a judge dismissed a lawsuit claiming
the company's Reese's candies tricked customers by depicting spooky Halloween
designs on their packaging, while the unwrapped chocolates were in
fact featureless us How did this even get to court? Seriously,

(02:47:01):
somebody sued Hershey's because they're candies didn't look like little pumpkins.
This is where we're at, people, This is where we're at. Anyways,
Judge Melissa Damien ruled that consumers who filed the class
action lawsuit really failed to show the lack of confectionery

(02:47:27):
details on the chocolate and peanut butter candies, such as
missing mouths and eyes on a jack O lantern, ghosts,
and other Halloween themed figures, had caused them economic harm.
Oh bs, it caused you economic harm.

Speaker 10 (02:47:41):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (02:47:42):
This is where I'm glad the judge threw this case
out said, get out of my courtroom. We're wasting time
on this.

Speaker 6 (02:47:49):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:47:50):
This is where the dumb of humanity comes in. The
lawsuit focused on several hershey candies that are marketed around Halloween,
including Its Reese's Peanut Butter Pumpkins and It's Reese's White Ghosts,
as well as a few other holiday themed chocolates like
reese Peeda Butter Shapes, Assortment, snow men's stockings, and bells.

(02:48:12):
The original lawsuit filed in twenty twenty four, claimed that
Hershey used deceptive advertising because the artistic designs depicted on
the rappers were absent from the actual candies, but the
difference between the rappers and the chocolates actual appearance wasn't
enough to prove concrete economic injury. Dabian wrote, of course

(02:48:37):
it shouldn't, you know what. Some people should just be
happy that they're doing something. These people are ridiculous. I
can't even that story's gonna upset me. I gotta stop.
All right, Let's go to San Francisco, where residents of
a San Francisco Bay area city are on the lookout.

(02:48:58):
Why because there is one badass squirrel that has sent
two people to the emergency room for medical treatment already.
Joan Hellblack said that she was walking in the Lucas
Valley neighborhood of San Rafael when all of a sudden,
she heard the theme song bad to the Bone and

(02:49:21):
this little secret squirrel with a bandana on. I'm joking
here a little bit, but take this squirrel for a second.
Just let me paint a colorful picture. Well, it seemingly
came out of nowhere and attacked her leg, clawing her
and biting her. It clamped down onto my leg. The
tail was flying up here. I was like, get it

(02:49:41):
off me, get it off me. Isabelle Compoy also said
that she was attacked while walking in the same area.
The squirrel launched itself from the ground to her face
and wound up on her arm, leaving it bloody. That
both women were taken to the emergency room, and Flyers
and I've been posting out warning residents that the secret

(02:50:03):
squirrel is no joke, that it has more than five
people attacked already, and it comes out of nowhere. Lisa
Block and Marin Hugh Maine say they have had no
reports of squirrel attacks since mid September. If the squirrel
crops up again, the nonprofit will coordinate with the state

(02:50:25):
to remove the animal. Can you imagine some squirrel walking
up to a human and doing its biss Rick flair,
I am the tree climbing, not flying Wheeland Delon kiss
stealing son of a squirrel. Whoo oh, I could have

(02:50:50):
fun with that one for a while. I really could.
If you're a baseball fan like I am, this is
gonna suck. This is really going to suck. I don't
like where baseball is going. All right, because apparently there
is a chance that Major League Baseball may adapt robot

(02:51:11):
umpires into the big leagues for next season. MLB's eleven
man Competition Committee approved use of the automated Ball Strike
system in major leagues at twenty twenty six. He been played.
Umpires will still call balls at strikes, but teams can
now challenge two calls per game and get an additional
appeals in extra innings. Challenges must be made by a pitcher, catcher,

(02:51:34):
or batter signaled by a tapping of their helmet or cap,
and a team retains its challenge. If successful, reviews will
be shown as digital graphics on outfield video boards. I
don't like it. Takes away from the purity of one
of the greatest sports ever. We cannot have this in baseball.
No Now, sure the umpire needs improvement. Whatever happened to

(02:51:58):
improving on the umpiring We don't need any more. Angel
Hernandez is out there. Okay, let's get some people who
actually know how to call a game, and by god,
get the catchers. If you want to clean up the
strike zone, make it illegal for the catchers to drag
their glove into the strike zone. It'll help out as

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