Sept/ 26/25 - Bigfoot of Sumatra with Patrick Spain - Spaced Out Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to the radio and podcast side of
spaced Out Radio tonight. Good to have you with us.
My name is Dave Scott and we're gonna be talking
about Bigfoot in Sumatra and all over the world. Legend
hopper Patspain is here Patspain dot com if you want
to check out his website. Guy is literally all over
the world searching for monsters. What a job. He's got

(00:24):
good hair, too good hair. You could tell he uses
good hair product in order to go out in the field.
If you're watching on YouTube, you'll see momentarily that's right,
little too clean shaven for me, but the good hair.
He does have the good hair. All right. We are
in a roll call on our YouTube side as we speak.
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Speaker 1 (01:52):
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We have an amazing show tonight. Pat Spain is here.
He is the legend tracker, literally going around the world

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search for monsters. We're going to get to him momentarily.
Then in our number three Swamp Dweller will kick things
off with a creepy story. Right after that, extra small
Lee Strauss will be here for the cryptid Q and A.
Let's get right to Pat. He is a good guy man.
You're going to enjoy this show. If you've never heard
him speak before, you will notice a couple of things

(03:21):
that I've noticed before. Passion, excitement, and an unwavering attitude
about learning to love finding mystical and mythical creatures that
may come alive. And you get to be a part
of this tonight. It's a good one. Pat is a
wildlife biologist. He's a biotech expert, TV presenter, keynote speaker, author, father,

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cancer survivor, cryptozoologists and cultural anthropologist with a passion for adventure. Man.
This guy barely has time to really tie his own shoelaces,
but he's out there doing this for the love of
the hunt, the hunt for the mythical creature. Yeah, I

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added that to the bio. He can borrow that if
he wants, because that sounded good. That rolled off the
tongue well. Pat thinks of himself as carrying on a
family tradition by questioning the mainstream, considering unusual explanations for
bizarre phenomena, and investigating these things most people right off
as impossible. Pat was named Cryptozoologists of the Year of
twenty twenty three for his work it investigated cryptids and

(04:31):
publishing the results. Let's get right to him. I'm just
going to shut up here because Pat is going to
bring some incredible engagement here. Pat Spain, welcome to spaced
Out Radio. Your hair looks perfect. I appreciate that. How
you doing, my friend.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I'm doing very well. Thank you so much. I wish
I could throw a beard like you. If I could,
it'd be there. When on one of the first shows
that I did, they wanted me to have a beard,
and I just said, hey, I'll do my best, and
they were like, yeah, I just don't shave for a
couple of days. I was like, I haven't. I haven't
shaved for two weeks at this point. Oh my hell, yeah,

(05:07):
it's pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I can lend you some believe it or not. As
sick and as twisted as this sounds, I actually have
listeners who will send me their beards. Okay, So I
actually have a collection of beards in my studio. It
sounds gross. No, I'm not using them for voodoo dolls
or anything like that. Okay, but if you need a beard,

(05:30):
I can lend you one.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
I do absolutely.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
I have the facial hair of a twelve year old.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So oh, it reminds me of a story my son
and I. My son is twelve and he loves hockey. Okay,
go figure, being Canadian, how cliche can that be? Right?
And so every night, usually every night, we play a
game of mini sticks, and so the bet is if

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if he wins, he gets to hug on my beard
for how many goals that he scored, and he doesn't
just give a little tug tug. It is yanking my
beard down and it hurts, It really hurts. So when
I win, I have to tug his non beard, you know.

(06:17):
So I grab his chin and I'm like, oh, you know,
trying to pull his mustache hair that he has none,
because the kid hasn't even started shaving it. You know, barely.
I think he's just starting to enter puberty now. So,
I mean, the whole thing is, it's hilarious. So my
beard gets a workout just from my boy, and I
just pray that I don't lose like ten nothing one night.

(06:39):
You know what I'm saying. You know, but either way,
boys will be boys. I guess you're a father, you're
a scientist.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Two kids.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
How old are your children?

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Eleven? And well they're almost eleven and almost seven.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Oh it's great. And they love the outdoors. I mean
we're outside. We caught a little garter snake today. I
get them kind of into all of this stuff. We
go tidepooling all the time. We're constantly out there looking.
We have bug nights. We raised hundreds of caterpillars in
twenty twenty, we raised thousands of caterpillars and mantis's and

(07:16):
all kinds of other stuff. My wife puts up with
it all.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
She's a brave woman. Yeah, brave woman. How do you
share your love of monsters with your children?

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Yeah? So I always think that just getting them out
there and telling them the telling them the legends and
the stories and teaching them about this stuff and getting
them to kind of expand their horizons on it. And
it's exciting the kids, right, Like every kid goes through
a dinosaur phase. But when you can tell them, what
if there's something real that's just as cool as dinosaurs,

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what if there's something that's still out there that's just
as cool as dinosaurs, And then you show them some
of the stuff that's really around and even in Massachusetts,
we can find some really cool stuff out there. My
daughter is more into the like the things that I
find it as a biologist, the things that I find

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really interesting, you know, like a new to branc is
a sea slug, not super exciting to most people, but
to my daughter and I that's like, that's a great day.
If we find a new to brank we're both over
the moon exciting pace. My son likes things that are
a little bit like the kind of big sexy animals,
you know, like he wants to see a wolf, he
wants to see a giant snake. He wants to find rattlesnakes,

(08:32):
that kind of thing. So we can do both of them.
But I think I always time monsters back to the
natural world. I don't really look at cryptozoology as too
different than biology. I just say it's biology with a
little bit of anthropology thrown in.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, I hope you if your children ever see a sasquatch,
they're not as melodramatic as my son was.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Oh what was his reaction?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
In twenty twenty two, my son and I are along
with two of my friends at about nine forty five
at night, on a full moon night, the moon just
coming down perfectly, we had an encounter with a ten footer.
He was about eighty yards away, and the reason why
we could measure him was because when we went out

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there the next day back to that spot, there was
a tree that he was standing beside, and we could
measure the tree. Oh nice, yeah yeah, And the tree
was only about eight feet tall at that time, and
knowing that this guy was standing above that by about
two feet, that's and he was just in the classic
sasquatch pos you know. And it was weird because I'm

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looking at my son and I'm like, do you see that?
And he's like, yeah, isn't that awesome? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (09:51):
You know, Like my kid is like never too high,
never too low, Like he's so even keel, so unlike
his dad that way, and I'm sitting here freaking out, like, yeah,
I got to see a sasquatch with my son. And
he's like, oh, well, you know, I get to play dinosaurs.
But here's one thing that I did notice about my son,

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and I would encourage you to take your kids out
in that era in an area if you don't already.
His laughter when he's playing out there, Uh, it draws
them in. Something about children, happiness, kids laughter, kids making

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noise like you know, when they're you know, acting like
dinosaurs ra or whatever. It totally drew draws our guys in, uh,
before they have an attraction. And then because your children
are young enough, they might actually get the telepathic communication

(10:54):
my boys had it. We were sitting there, my buddy
Mike and I were sitting on his tailgate on the day.
My son's playing to our right, about twenty twenty five
feet from us, not very far. It's playing now, he's
playing literally, he's playing Godzilla to an ant hill, okay,
and he's given the raw raw right and he's doing
his own thing, and Mike and I are on his

(11:16):
tailgate and all of a sudden, to our left, Mike,
here's a tree snap right, and he kind of taps
me on the leg and he points that way and
he whispers, I just heard tree snap over here. Like, okay,
not a problem. So all of a sudden, like fifteen
twenty seconds later, like there's no way my boy could
have heard Mike say what he wanted to be, and

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all of a sudden, my son jumps up and he goes, Dad,
they're here. I said, where are they? And he points
to the exact direction of where Mike had just pointed.
And I said, how many of them are there? He goes,
there's two of them. I said, well, how big are they?

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And he got meters and feet mixed up and he's
like ten to fifteen meters and I'm like, son, that
would put them at sixty feet tall. Yeah, you know,
And he goes, well, what's the other one. I said,
it's feet. He goes, yeah, they're about ten to fifteen feet.
I said what are they doing? He goes, they're watching us?
And I said are they going to come close? He

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goes no, they're going to stay there, but they're watching us.
I said, well, are they okay with us being here?
He goes yeah, for now, and he's we're like having
this conversation and they are like feeding him the information
to talk to us. And so after that point happen.
When we take my son out there, he'll literally say,

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you know, it'll be like it's usually around between nine
forty five and ten thirty at night where he'll say, hey, Dad,
they want us to leave now, and that'll be our
sign that it's time to exit the area. But it's
pretty wild, man, I recommend it for you and your kids.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
No, I'm fascinated by telepathy, research and consciousness, all things
human consciousness and talking about you know, being having that
kind of conscious connection with other consciousnesses that are there,
human and nonhuman. And yeah, no, that's really interesting. And
you know, kids are definitely more receptive.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
The love you have for this subject because you don't
like this, you love it, I do. Okay, that passion
that you have, how does it drive you?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
How does it?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
How does it keep you going? Because for many of us,
like me, I could be at my daytime job or
even doing this show, I'm still thinking about the force.
How do you keep that passion going and on fire
while being a family man, while being a scientist, while
doing everything else that you do in your life.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, I want the answers. Man. That's what it comes
down to, is that it's constantly driving me because we
don't have the answers yet. When there's not something that
I can read and figure, you know, something that I
need to figure out on my own, I will spend
years or spend my life trying to get those answers.
And that's just constantly in the back of my mind. So,
like you said, I can be working my day job,

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but I'm thinking about the next trip, the next adventure,
the next thing that I want to research, the next
thing that I want to find. And the only way
to get the answers in this field is to go
out and find them yourself.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
You have had an opportunity that many researchers have wanted.
You've been on television many a times. You've done documentaries,
television shows, all in these subjects that you love and adore.
How did that road begin for you? When so many
people are like, man, I just wish I could be

(14:47):
Pat in Pat Spain's shoes for like ten minutes.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Man, A lot of people wouldn't feel that way if
they saw the places where I've slept and where I've eaten, met,
where I go the way that we do it is
a little bit different. But it all started with just
that passion for wildlife. Ever since I was a little kid,
I've been absolutely fascinated and just enthralled by the mysterious
creatures of the world. And you know, the giant squid

(15:12):
is what got me into it, and I wanted to
find out more about that. So I went to school
for marine biology and I got some of the answers,
but I still wanted more, so I kept exploring. I
kept looking for these animals where in their own habitat,
where they live, and I kept on getting more and
more and more questions. I found out my family history,
my family connection to Charles Fort. Now he's a great

(15:34):
great uncle, you know. I found that out after I
had already read Fort's works, and then it all kind
of clicked into place that like, yeah, I should really
be doing this research, and I really, like I said,
cryptozoology to me is biology with a little bit of
anthropology thrown in, and that's that's what I live. So

(15:55):
field biology is what led to it all. I went out.
I decided that I loved giving talks about wildlife, so
I love finding the wildlife. And then getting other people
as excited about them as I am. And you do
that by giving speeches, by giving talks. So I'd go
to the beach with my girlfriend at the time, who's
now my wife, and I'd go to tidepools, even though

(16:17):
I was an adult man, and I'd go and I'd
be catching all this stuff. And then soon you get
a crowd gathered around you. You get some kids. You know,
usually it's kids, because kids are as excited about animals
as I am. And I'd start to give these talks.
And I started to notice that as I got older,
some of the parents got a little nervous. We're like,
maybe you don't go near the strange man holding the
rattles safe. And my wife said, you, you know, you

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love this. You really you need to figure out something
that will give you some credibility so that parents know
that you're safe and that you can continue to kind
of give these talks. And she suggested television, beautiful and
it was just right at that time that Animal Planet
was running a show called King of the Jungle where
they were looking for, you know, just anyone who was

(17:02):
very interested in this to go out. So I gave
I was working in the labs at the time in
biotech in a microbiology lab. I told my boss that
I wasn't going to be in the next day and
I drove to Ohio and auditioned for King of the Jungle,
where I ended up going through the full audition process
and making it on, made some friends with the crew,
and then I started filming my own wildlife show. So

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I just went on to the early days of YouTube,
like two thousand and three YouTube, started making my own
wildlife show that I self funded, maxed out all my
credit cards, and flew myself and my friends all around
the world to find different animals that eventually caught the
eye of a production company who asked me if I'd
ever heard of a man named Charles Fort, and I

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was like, ah, funny enough, and that's how it all,
you know, went about. They asked if I was interested
in cryptids. I gave a very rambling answer kind of
like I am right now, and they loved it. And
then I've just been fortunate and to be able to
keep going with it.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Outside of Bigfoot and maybe a couple of others, there
are so many different cryptid creatures out there that we
talk about on a daily basis, could be sea monsters,
could be dinosaurs. You know, a good friend of ours
of this show, Brian Bowden, he was driving home from Missouri,
you know, through I believe Alabama, back to Florida and

(18:25):
literally swears by God that he had a pterodactyl fly
over his car. You know, I mean, this is things
that are happening to people in your scientific thought process
outside of Bigfoot, because I know Bigfoot exists, I've seen it. Okay,
what cryptid creatures do you think are still actually out there?

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Sea monsters for sure, so sea serpents. I think that
something in the deep, deep ocean, we know. I mean,
I always go back to the darren naishkind of mode
of how he did the analysis to determine how many
large undiscovered creatures were left in the deep ocean, and
he gets, I believe it somewhere between six and twelve.

(19:11):
Don't quote me on that, Darren, but I'd have to
go back to his paper. But for sure, even the
most conservative marine biologists that you speak with, but we'll
say that there are unknown creatures at the bottom of
the ocean, really big stuff too, things that we will find.
And I think that all of the evidence points us
towards that, you know, some kind of shark, some kind

(19:32):
of squid. Those are the two most likely candidates, some
kind of cephalopods, some kind of shark, but there's other
things as well.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
And who knows. Because recently they found a new breed
of killer whale down in the Antarctic.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Uh yeah, I can't remember exactly where it is, but
a lot of times what they're doing now is they're
doing a genetic analysis. So scientists will get really excited
and say we have a new species, but when you
look to most people, it won't look too distinct from
the known species, which is still great. I mean, it's phenomenal,
but it really gets down to the question of how

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do you determine what's a species? And that's a huge
wormhole in the biological community. You know, some people say
it comes down to genes, some people in more phenotypes.
Some people are talking about breeding. So there really isn't
a scientific consensus on how we actually determine what a
species is. And with that one with the killer whale,

(20:31):
I believe it was a genetic analysis that led them
to conclude that, but they do have different feeding preferences
as well.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
See I still think there is some sort of monster
shark out there. It may not be megalodon. Max Hawthorne
a crypto writer. Usually he writes fiction, but he does
a lot of real time research on these. I mean,
he studied a lot of these sightings that have been
coming out. He believes that there is some sort of

(20:58):
growing super great white out there that is patrolling the oceans.
And there's been, you know, even though there really has
been a lot of sightings of them, but there is
a lot of analysis. One of those was a number
of years ago where a fifteen foot great white was
caught in the net of a of a in Australia

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that they have protecting the beaches and there was a
shark bite out of its neck that went from spine
to spine and that was measured at believe to be
you know, they believed it would be anywhere from twenty
two to twenty nine feet long in order to create
that bite and kill it instantly. I mean, are we
seeing a mutation, if we could use that word, of

(21:41):
a lot of these creatures that are that are growing
bigger again.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
So I think I have a I think that there
are certainly unknown sharks that are out there and I
think there are probably some really big ones still, but
something a mega sized great white would be pretty tough
just because of the food sources that it would meet.
And with the ocean depletion that we're seeing with the

(22:07):
loss of species, I think it gets even harder to
see something like a mega great white. I think that
we are more likely to see something like a greenland
shark or some type of plankt in Peter shark, something
really large that we'll find out there, or some you know,
smaller sharks that could be in the deep ocean for
sure that would look super weird and may not look

(22:28):
exactly what we think of with sharks. But there are
the lone individuals. I mean, they just got that footage
of the giant tuna a couple of weeks ago, so
there are some really big things left to see. And
you know, an almost thirty foot long great white wouldn't
entirely surprise me to see that there's one out there.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, I mean, you look at humans. Humans have been
getting taller. I mean, what was it back in the
in the forties and fifties, the average height was about
five to five to five seven, and now it's closer
to six feet. I mean that we are getting big improve.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Improve nutrition and better healthcare. And yeah, and then just
genetic prefer or you know, different preferences as well. You're
starting to see sexual forces to bring you bring about
some changes. But yeah, I mean, every every species on
Earth is constantly evolving.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
We have one minute to go before we got to
go to break. Pat Spain is our guest tonight on
spaced Out Radio. What's your favorite creature to search for?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I really loved the Rank and Deck research and I
really really want to get back to Sumatra for that.
Everything about it was mind blowing to me and completely
changed my perspective. I had a very very different idea
before I got there than when when I left.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Oh, you're going to have to get in depth with
that in the next half Hour's great, you really are,
because I think we look at it, and please excuse
my naivity if it is a night comment, but I
think we look at it that bigfoot is bigfoot. If
they're white, they're abominable snowman or yetti, if they're if
they're cinnamon or brown, they're bigfoot. And yet it almost

(24:11):
seems like there's different subcultures of this species that we
really need to analyze, like the rang Pendeck or the
Yowie down in Australia. I mean it's more than just
changing the names.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Oh for sure. Oh yeah, no, no, the Harry Homan
in uh Phenomena around the world is Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
We're going to get into that with Pat Spain. If
you want his website patspain dot com, I highly suggest
you check it on out, check out his material. This
is going to be a great show. Bigfoot in Sumatra,
the orang Pendeck coming up next on the Mighty SR.

(25:07):
All right, we're clear. All right, let me just unmute
you here. I could listen to you speak all night.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Man.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Thank you you too.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
You you would love our area.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Oh yeah, I do. It's one of the most beautiful
places in the world.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
No, I mean where we investigate.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Oh right, Oh, absolutely, yes it is.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Uh. It is very chastrophobic because you're literally surrounded by
trees and.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Brush, old growth.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Our our gifting site is at the base of about
one hundred hundred and ten foot tree.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
God, it's so powerful. There is something you can feel
it in the air when you were in the old
growth forests in Canada. We like nothing else.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
I will tell you this. When I go up to
that tree, I always talk to it about how beautiful
it is, and the tree responds energetically. The tree responds
like that tree knows I love that tree.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, there's some really fascinating studies about sentience in trees
and tree communication with each other and that we can experience.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Have you ever studied I know we're off air here,
but I'll ask you this. Have you ever studied the
fact that trees.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Move so not I mean just just casually, not like
scolat not not no in school or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
But yeah, Like we're literally you'll be watching like a
trailcam footage and the tree will be there in one shot,
say right here. The next for the next thirty seconds,
it's over here, and then it moves back.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Oh no, no, no, I thought you meant, like, you know,
slow and gradual over time, like that kind of thing, some.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Of the actual moving.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Oh no, I haven't.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh it's it's it is an incredible piece of phenomena
that we do not study enough.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
No, in fact, I've never even heard of that. I'm
going to write it down. Is there like a book
that you can recommend or No?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
A guy who used to a guy who used to
come on this show quite a bit. His name's John Tenny.
He has been studying that. I don't think he's put
a lot into it, but he actually has footage of
it and h and he studied it in Minnesota or

(27:40):
probably in Michigan, the northern Peninsula of Michigan. But he said,
you can literally if you set up a video trail
cam for a while, you have to just you have
to watch the footage like a hawk, and he goes,
eventually the trees will literally start to move and it's
not a camera glitch where all of a sudden you'll
see the trees, say, move over two three inches and

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then it'll move back, or it will completely vanish and
then reappear.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah, no, I've never heard that, but I would definitely
like to read more about that.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, I only.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Took one botany course in college and I loved it.
At the time, I would say I didn't appreciate it,
but I've gotten way more into it, mostly as food
sources for the animals I study. But yeah, no, that
that would be something that I and there's not really
much of a field of kind of you know, para

(28:38):
normal experience with plants, so yeah, I'd be into that.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah. But this big tree Man where we have our
gifting site, you'd love this tree.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Oh god? Oh yeah, Well any old growth for us, Yeah,
I just it's only I've only experienced it a few
times in my life, but every time I have, it's
left a deep impression.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Of Especially the Vancouver Island trees. Oh for sure, they're
like you know, you get some of them where they're
they're like three four hundred years old and they're like
one hundred and eighty feet tall. Yeah, it's ridiculously gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
There was a tree in England near one of my
friend's houses that I mean, I couldn't even wrap my
if I spread my arms out all the way, I
still wasn't even getting close to around the trunk of it.
And I could just spend all day in front of
that one.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
There's one in an area called If you ever back
on Vancouver Island on kind of in the middle of
the island on the highway heading to port Alberni and
you clue it, there is an old growth forest there
called Cathedral Grove. They have one tree there that I
believe is like thirty five thirty seven feet around. Yeah,

(29:56):
and it's funny. And here's where it will also tie
into what you like. Is the lake leading up to
that cathedral grove is said to have a sea monster
in it.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Oh nice.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, and the lake is it's called the Cameron Lake Monster. Okay, yeah,
Cameron Lake. Yeah. We're coming back in about fifteen seconds.
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(31:50):
we're going to go to the beautiful country of Sumatra
because they have a bigfoot there that Pat's going to
tell us all about. This is his passion, this is
his glory, this is his money shot on trying to
prove the existence of the Orang Pendeck.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Pat, welcome back, Thank you so much, Thank you for
having me.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Tell us about the rang Pendeck.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Rang Condeck is sort of a small bigfoot, so a
little foot, if you will, and it's from time immemorial.
You know, there's always been these stories about them, and
they go by different names. You'll hear people describe them
in slightly different ways, but I went to Sumatra truly
thinking that this was a mistaken identity. The way that

(32:35):
I generally approach any cryptid is, what are the known
species in the animal? What are the known animals in
the region where this thing is being spotted that look
a little bit like it or act a little bit
like it, or that could be mistaken identity for it
because you spend a lot of time in the woods.
I spend a lot of time in the woods. You know,
your eyes play tricks on me sometimes, and sometimes their

(32:56):
animals act weird. They act in ways that you don't expect.
They look a little different in certain lighting or something
like that. So that's kind of my baseline is I
assume that something is mistaken identity. And I went into
Sumatra believing that Orangkandak was likely a mistaken identity for
an orang attack. And I left there realizing how arrogant

(33:19):
that is from someone who doesn't live there, and how
very wrong I was. This is a creature that I
believe that there are likely two different species of unknown creature,
one more given like and one that's truly a homonym.
And we know that Homo floresiensis lived there. You know,

(33:41):
the hobbit, the small human that lived on the island
of Flores, very close to Sumatra, and they are very
likely still around some of the islands in Indonesia or
were there very recently. I was able to meet with
the man who discovered homofloreesiensis. His name was Mike Morewood,

(34:05):
and he's an incredible researcher. Unfortunately he passed away shortly
after he and I met, but he told me that
he had found evidence that or that homoflooresiensis was still
there until at least the nineteen twenties. And he said,
the evidence that I found is not publishable, it's not

(34:27):
able to go into a scientific journal, but I'm working
on it. I'm working on building that. And he passed
away before any of that evidence came to life. And
to hear that from a researcher like Mike was just
absolutely life changing for me. The people that I spoke with,
the eyewitnesses, they were not describing an orangutan. They know orangutans.

(34:49):
This is not just unusual orangutan behavior or given behavior.
This is a unique species that they were describing. And
one of the things that really struck me was how
commonplace this was for them. A lot of times, when
you meet with somebody who's seen a cryptid or who
is describing a cryptid, it's burned into their memory. It's

(35:10):
this moment in their life that you know that they
will forever, they will never be able to forget. And
they've described it a million times. To a lot of
the people that I met with in Sumatra, this was
like me talking about a squirrel. They were like, oh, yeah, rankedindeck, yeah,
I saw him over in the back by there. He
was stealing some sugar from me. You know, it's the
same way that we think about, you know, the squirrels

(35:32):
coming to raid our bird feeders. In here, everyone wanted
to talk to me about tigers because they found tigers
fascinating and they thought that's a way better story. Why
is this guy here all the way from America and
wants to talk to us about these things? Yeah, they're like, yeah,
there's not as many of them as there used to be.
But no, let me tell you about the time I
saw a tiger. And that led even more credence in

(35:54):
my mind to Okay, no, this is this is not
something that they're that someone is saying for attention. This
is something that is truly there. And when I was
talking to a witness and I was I in retrospect,
I was implying that potentially this could have been an orangutan,
this guy honestly sat back and smiled and he was like,

(36:15):
all right, all right. The only people who don't believe
in rangpin deck are people who don't live in my forest.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And I was like, all right, so why is it
considered yet a cryptied if if people in Sumatra believe
that these things are just part of nature, we still haven't.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
We don't have a holotype spech, We don't have a
holotype example of this. So there's nothing in a museum.
There's nothing that exists where we can say like this
is the skull of an ranpin deck, or this is
We don't have a species in captivity. We don't have
a captured one. We don't have an incredibly clear video
footage that shows undisputably that this is a new creature.

(36:59):
And theory for that is that So again, I believe
that there's two different ones in Indonesia. I think that
there's one that's more gibbon like and one that's more
that's a hominid the one that's a hominid. I don't
think it's in Sumatra, but I do think that it's
in some of the other islands around Indonesia, and that

(37:20):
would be a descendant of homofluoresiensis the one that's in Sumatra,
I do think is a nocturnal relative of a given
that has evolved to walk upright, likely because of predation
by tigers, and does not use trails, and really the
only the only way that we can find animals in

(37:43):
a jungle like that, because let me tell you, this
is the most difficult terrain that I've ever been in,
and I've been in a lot of places. The only
ones that we can find are on trails. So if
you talk about an animal that's not using trails, that's nocturnal,
and that is you know, very very intelligent, and that
exists in extremely small numbers, yeah, it makes sense that

(38:07):
it's still hidden.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
So the fact that you're looking for many sasquatches has there,
even the people there never found a skeleton, they've never
found remains, or they just figure that's just part of nature.
Just let it go.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
So one of the some of them, some of them have.
There has been some that have collected different bones for
various reasons, it's never been analyzed. It is extremely difficult
to work in a scientific expedition with the Indonesian government.

(38:45):
The hassles are beyond numerous. Let's just say, I'll keep
it very very neutral and just say it is extremely difficult.
It is easier to get a TV crew in there
than it is to get a scientific expedition. And if
you start to blur that line and start to do
some real real science, the fees, the difficulties, the you know,

(39:11):
collection of your materials gets pretty overwhelming, very very quickly.
So also just in the forest, a skeleton isn't going
to last. We know that there are tapers there, but
it's I would challenge anybody to find the skeleton of
a taper in Sumatra because it's such a harsh environment.
It's such a rainy environment, that it's such dense undergrowth

(39:34):
that once a large animal dies between scavengers and rot,
it's just going to be gone. It's going to be
gone to the elements very very quickly.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
And nature, I think a lot of people think it's
easy being out in nature, like even even in my
area where it's a different kind you know, nature is
very good at cleaning up after itself. Oh man, yeah,
so quickly.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Oh god, yeah, absolutely. I mean that we saw that
firsthand with in both West Africa and in Sumatra, that
you know, when you're talking about jungles like gorilla gorillas.
For example, I was tracking gorillas and I asked the researchers, like,
how many dead gorillas do you find? And they've been
doing decades of gorilla research and they're like, yeah, if

(40:22):
one dies and we're not to it within a day,
we're never going to find it. And that's you know,
a massive animal that they're tracking, that they know is there,
they know the exact area where they can find the truth,
they know where they were the night before, and they said,
unless they're there within a day, they're never going to
find it. So and in Sumatra, I mean it's even

(40:43):
even worse. I would say, so I lost all of
the skin on my body. I lost two layers of
skin off my entire body from rot, just from being
constantly wet. You're putting on wet clothes in the morning,
You're going to sleep in a wet sleeping bag. You're
going through torrential downpours, you're hiking through knee deep mud,
you're covered in leeches. I'm going to sleep at night

(41:07):
with rats jumping on my head, you know, trying to
gnaw through my tent. This is not an easy place
to go through.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
And in BC we call that Vancouver on a Tuesday night.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
Ye exactly, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Right, But for people who've never been there, I've never
traveled outside of North America, you know, But for people
who've never been there or unfamiliar with that type of territory,
please explain the terrain.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Sure, So, just to get to the area that we
want that we knew was kind of a hotbed for
ringpindex sightings, and this would be the one that I
believe is more gibven, like a nocturnal you know, relative
of a given that that has evolved to walk up right.
To get to that area was a three day hike

(41:56):
from the nearest village up a active volcano sor inactive
volcano but still inactive volcano, but with there were earthquakes
while we were hiking up this. It's at points a
near vertical climb where you're pulling yourself up roots in
a torrential downpour, and then it's a hike down the

(42:17):
other side of it into the opening, and then about
a two hour cross in dugout canoes that you know,
are filling with water as you're going across and are
very easy to tip in absolutely freezing water where you've
lost all your energy. So you do this two hour
kind of canoe through there, and then you get just
to the area, the outskirts of the area where you

(42:38):
may be able to see something. Then it's multiple hours
hike into the forest again. And some of the mountaintops
that we were climbing up, our guides were saying that,
you know, due to local customs and beliefs and just
the inaccessibility of it, they believe that nobody has ever
climbed to the top of some of.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
These mountains man. And you're you're also battling a lot
of wild animals. You mentioned gibbons, which are like monkey
like creatures. You're battling tigers, which you know, I'm in an.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Area where saw a tiger just a few feet away
from me one night while we were out getting camera traps.
But they they do call them polite tigers in Sumatra.
So they're gonna check you out, They're gonna want to
look at you, but they're very unlikely to attack. Yeah,
there are tigers, there's venomous snakes. There's thorns everywhere. Everything

(43:31):
that you try to grab to steady yourself, you're going
to get a handful of thorns, get them all over you.
So I was a lot more concerned about disease than
I was about any of the wildlife. You know, venomous
snakes are always a risk, but I kind of know
how to handle myself around that, and I know what
to look for and where not grab for the most part.

(43:53):
But I'm just worried about constantly getting infections from everything
that you're getting cut by, and from the water that
you're drinking and things, I mean just dropping off the trees.
We're getting leeches dropping into our eyes, We're getting bitten
by parasitic flies, We're getting just covered in everything you
can think of. Just trying to go to the bathroom

(44:14):
in the morning is a struggle.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Oh my good.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Hmmm, yeah, so good.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Mark.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
People. A lot of people are like, oh, I'll go
with you and then I'll tell them some of the stories.
They're like maybe not maybe not that one.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
You know, getting back to these tigers for a second. Sure,
I've been close to cougars yeah, okay, not the high
heel kind okay, but in the forest, the real four
legged ones, and they are intimidating, but they're not looking
to hunt humans. Tigers have been known to hunt humans

(44:54):
in India.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
In India, so there are a couple of different subspecies,
a couple different species of tigers, the ones that are
in Indonesia. Yes, so they have been known to hunt
people for sure. Mountain lions have as well. I did
a I did a show on Animal Planet called How
Not to Die, where that was the whole point of

(45:17):
the show is Pat's not going to die. And we
did an episode on mountain lions where I went out
and tracked mountain lions all through the desert out in
California outside of Palm Springs, And yeah, getting up close
to one of them is pretty wild, man. Those are
those are an intense animal and the young ones, especially
the young males, will track you for miles and if

(45:40):
you give them a chance, some of the young males
will attack you, especially if you're on a biker, if
you're walking with a dog. But tigers, when I was
in India, I was a lot more concerned about tigers
than when I was in Sumatra. They are big, they
are impressive, they are absolutely stunning and beautiful creatures. But
the ones in Sumatra really were more curious than aggressive.

(46:03):
They've got enough small prey. The name of the game
with any large animal is get the easiest meal that
you can, the easiest meal that is the less that
is the least likely to hurt right the thing, because
in an environment like that, one injury can lead to
death because that injury can get infected, and animals have
evolved to be aware of this, so they're trying to

(46:26):
eat whatever the easiest thing is. So when they see
six foot meters walking on two legs through the forest,
I don't look like an easy meal. I look weird.
So I look like a curiosity. I look like something
that they're going to want to explore, but not necessarily
something that they're going to want to eat, because they
have a lot of other things available to them that

(46:47):
are much much easier meals. And that's actually my theory
as to why ran Condeck would have evolved to walk
upright because of the potential predation from a tiger, because
of that split second pause, Oh, something's standing, something is
on two legs that's weird, that doesn't look like prey.
That's really all that it takes for an animal to

(47:07):
be able to get away. It just needs that, you know,
pause from the apex predator of the region.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Mm hmm. Where are these orang pendeck located?

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Like?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Do they stay in the higher mountainous areas? Are they
buy rivers creeks? Are they in areas where there seems
to be a lot of natural predation? How do they live?

Speaker 4 (47:33):
The theory is that they are wanderers, that they are migratory,
and based on the sightings, it does hold true that
they're They're kind of spotted in different regions of the
country at different times, and all of the stories from
the local people are that they need continuous forests, so

(47:55):
they're most often spotted in the large areas of forest.
And when I did talk to people there, when I
got them to talk to me about a ring condeck
and not the tigers that they wanted to tell me about,
they have this spiritual connection with the tigers, So I
don't mean to make light of it at all, but
it just was fascinating to me. But when I would
get them to talk about a ring condeck, they did

(48:16):
say that their grandparents saw them more frequently. Their parents
saw a couple of them, and that anyone who I
spoke with who was an eyewitness and had seen one
said they had never seen a young one. They had
only seen the older ones. And all of this holds
true to an animal that would be migratory, that would

(48:37):
have a naturally small population and is potentially aging out
as the forest gets turned into rubber plantations and palm
oil plantations, and as the forest gets cut and brought
through by different roads that are coming through, their forest
gets smaller and smaller. And they are animals that are
not specialists. They are and I use the term animal,

(49:00):
but yeah, there's a lot of issues with that as well,
as you know from bigfoot research, but these animals are
very likely generalists where the again, the theory goes that
they use the forest like a buffet. They're eating a
little bit of this and a little bit of that,
and as they move through the forest, they're finding all

(49:22):
different food sources and they're kind of foraging as they go.
So it's really not one area where they're found. It's
at different times of year. They're found in different parts
of the forest, but they're using the entire thing as
their buffet. Do we know what they're likely aging out?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Do we know what they're food.

Speaker 6 (49:41):
Is?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Are they plant eaters? Are they omnivores?

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Omnivores? Omnivores? Yeah, they've They've been observed eating everything from roots,
from digging up roots to breaking sugar cane and eating
some of the not sugar cane, I'm sorry, there's another
like palm that's very similar to sugarcane, to some of
the fruit from the forest, as well as eggs and
some small like insects and things.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
We have four and a half minutes ago before we
have to go to break at the top of the hour,
and Pat Spain is our guest tonight on spaced Out
Radio talking about the little big feats of Sumatra. Now, Pat,
I know you come from a very scientific, methodical background
in your research and your connection. I look at things

(50:29):
you know a little bit differently, and I think that
when it comes to the North American bigfoot or sasquatch,
whatever you want to call it, I think there's something
I don't use the word magical. I'm going to use
the word special about these creatures where you know, take
footprints for instance, you never find it's rare to find
a full track of prints. You may fight one and

(50:52):
then the second one thirty feet up or seventy feed
up or further than that. Okay, a lot of people
believe that Bigfoot has some sort of supernatural ability. Is
are those types of legends also found in Sumatra as well?
With the orang pandeck, they aren't.

Speaker 7 (51:15):
No.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
They really speak about eringpan deck in the same way
that we talk about squirrels. It's really just one of
the things that lives in the forest. They'll talk about
tape ears, they'll talk about ringpindck, they'll talk about orangutans,
and they'll talk about gibbons, all in the same breath.
There's not a distinction made. They do talk about that
kind of stuff. With tigers. There's a lot of spirituality

(51:37):
with tigers. There's a lot of appearing and disappearing and
needing to get the tiger's approval. Before we could go
into one region of the forest, we had to go
to a shamanic ceremony and have a shaman bless us
and get the tiger's permission. The tiger that protected this
particular region of the forest. In order to enter it,
and I kind of a two for one. The shaman

(51:59):
also removed a demon from me, which was supposedly the
reason I was having so much car trouble, and I
do have to say I have not knock on wood,
I have not had as much car trouble since then,
and I still have a demon in a marble that's
in my basement right now.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Oh wow, in a marble. You carried it marble, you
carried the dimon home to show them off.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, I'm supposed to complete a ceremony that
I have not been able to do. So what the
shaman told me is that the demon is encased in
the marble. Unless I break the marble, it's all good.
But the way for me to get rid of it
completely is to take the marble, put it into a
bowl and mix it with lemon juice and fresh chicken
blood and then paint my car in different points with this,

(52:43):
and that will banish the demon forever. But for now
I'm good with just keeping them in the marble.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
You know, an extended warranty probably would have solved the
problem too.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
I don't know, man, I had some real weird car
trouble before this. I had a steering wheel crumble in
my hands once while I was driving.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Oh yeah, oh my, what what is your vehicle? Is
it like a sixty two Pinto or something?

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Oh no, No, these were like cars that were supposedly good.
I had some problems. So, I mean, and since the
exorcism it really has been Uh, I haven't had as
many issues. I haven't as many weird issues, I'll say. So,
I'm glad I've got that marble.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
One minute to go here. How do you blend your
scientific mind with legends and supernatural stories? How do you
find a happy balance?

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Yes? I mean anthropology was my minor, a cultural anthropology.
Philosophy was my minor in college, because that aspect of
human nature also, you know, fascinates me as much as
the natural world does. And that's how I that's how
I look at it. I look at it through that lens.
I look at like, what what are these legends? What

(53:56):
is the importance of these legends. I'm not going to
tell people that they're wrong, because there's something too, Like
there's a grain of truth in every story. There's something there,
and I'm very interested into what the importance of this is.
So I don't see it as too distinct from a
scientific Yeah, from a scientific expedition or analysis.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
We're going to leave it right there for right now,
because we are I can't believe we're already through our
number one. Our number two with Pat Spain is coming
up on spaced out Radio. We're going to continue the
monsters in Legends talk why because we can and it's fun.
I guess what. It's not politics. You get a break.

(54:42):
You get a break listening to this show where you
may not believe it, but hey, we're here doing it
for you to take your mind away. Patspain dot Com
is his website. The Legend Tripper continues with us on
spaced Out Radio right after this.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
Yeah h m.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
This is faced out break hewn with Hopes Dave Scott.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
All Right, my man, we are clear. I'm just gonna
take a quick break here. I'm gonna put you back
in the green room. We got just over five and
a half minutes.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Okay, okay, yeah, I'm gonna grab some water also, all right,
be right.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
Back, be right back, everybody, SA.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
All right, I am back. Just bear with me because
I am battling a little bit of cases. All right,
there we go. We got about a minute to go here, Pat,
this is awesome. Thank you for tonight, my friend.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
No, thank you, this is excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I would love to take you to flight twenty one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Yeah. I would really love to see it. I want
to see that tree.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Yeah, we if you have a few minutes after our
number two. My guy Lee is coming on in. He
was up here about a month ago and I brought
him there and he investigates out at the Pacific Northwest

(01:01:09):
in Washington State where he lives, and he was just
blown away. Yeah, he's like, it's everywhere you turn. It's
everywhere you turn. It's Oh, can't wait to get their.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Sunday those old growth forests. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Oh yeah, man, we're coming back in three seconds. Hold on,
Here we go with our number two of spaced Out
Radio tonight. Good to have you with us. My name
is Dave Scott. We appreciate you tuning us on in

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thank you so much for being here as we continue
on looking for the little big feats of Sumatra.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Man, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
These almost sound like little humanoids, almost like what First
Nations people in North America might call the little people.
You know, Is there a similarity to that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Yeah, there is. So. I have read some of the
legends from the First Nations about the little people, and
I think that there is a similarity with what we
hear about the Ring Deck. Well, you know, Rangpin Deck
potentially Homofluoresiensis, and a lot of places around the world

(01:03:33):
have stories about these small human like creatures. You think
about elves, you think about leprechauns, you think about you know,
the it's sort of embedded within human existence that we
have these stories about these small tricksters. And I do
think that in most of these stories that that's what
they are. They are tricksters. They are you know, some

(01:03:56):
kind of not quite evil with some kind of menacing press.
And those are the stories that we've heard, you know
about the Ebu go Go, particularly in Sumatra where and
that that could very well be the thing behind some
of the sightings of Homo floresiences.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
So do you think maybe then that they have their
own little villages out in the forest somewhere. Do you
think that maybe they live underground in some sort of
cavernous type system. Where do you think they live?

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
So I think that in the modern era where the
stories go, that there are not villages. That these are
more of a very very small tribal bands kind of
wandering if you think about like like the Pygmy tribes
that was just in West Africa. So I was fortunate

(01:04:51):
enough to live with two different or you know, first
spend a short amount of time with two different tribes,
Pigmy tribes in West Africa, and they do make temporary shelters, temporary,
you know, somewhere to stay, but for the most parts
are wandering through the forests. And that is how you know,

(01:05:16):
Homo floresiensis was described as well, is more of a wanderer,
more of you know, there be small bands, familial bands
that then go all through the forests. And that's really
why we think that why Mike believed that they were
only there up until the nineteen twenties, because once Western
settlers arrived and really started a lot of destruction of

(01:05:39):
the forest, these small bands were not able to persist.
And you know, while there may still be some remnant
population of them, not enough to really keep the population
going for too much longer. But there's like seventeen thousand
islands in Indonesia, I believe, I don't think I'm making
that number up. I think it's right around there. And

(01:06:02):
of a large amount of them are uninhabited, and a
large amount of them, you know, could provide enough forest
cover for a small population of hominans to still live.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Okay, So are these centralized to one of the islands
or have they been seen on other islands as well.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
No, they're spotted on a large number of the islands,
in fact, pretty much everywhere where people go regularly. There
are stories about a Homo floresiences like creature.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Are they afraid of people?

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Yes, so there is. There are a lot of stories
about avoidance, avoidance of Homo sapiens and just the idea
that you know, we we look different, we are apparently dangerous.
And I think that throughout human history Homo sapiens have
shown themselves to be very dantus to essentially each other

(01:07:02):
and everything else, every other living creature. So I think
that that is a warranted caution on the aspect of
any other homonym that we might come across. So, yes,
there is a lot of stories about avoidance. The most
famous story about Evo Go Go, which again could explain
Homo floresiensis and or in condec is of this creature,

(01:07:29):
this human like creature being tracked by a number of
locals into a cave and then the cave being set
on fire, being filled with flammable materials and being set
on fire, and this creature knew enough to stay away
from the villages and new enough to try to avoid
on any human settlements and then was eventually killed by humans.

(01:07:52):
So I think that if we take that as an
archetypal story, if we take this as not just one event,
but likely this happened many, many men, many times, this
could be the story of the extinction of these small
hominids at least uninhabited islands. So our best chance for
looking for them would be to go to uninhabited islands.

(01:08:15):
Oh wow, which would be really challenging. I am friends
with I would prefer to him as the best camera
trapper in the world, Jeremy Holden, who is just remarkable
in what he can capture. He's the first one to
get images of a Sumatran rabbit. He has multiple images

(01:08:35):
of Sumatran tigers and tapiers and other just sun bears,
other phenomenal animals and lots of birds. And he was
not able to get a camera trap image of an
orang con deck. But he does believe that with the
technology that exists now. He was trying to do this

(01:08:56):
back in the late nineties, I believe, but with the
technology that exists now, he does believe that if he
was given another crack at it, he'd be able to
And I do think that he's the best one to
do this. I think that if we truly had a
really well funded expedition, that we would be able to
get an image on some of these extremely remote islands.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
It sounds like the people of Sumatra are not really
interested in proving the existence because they already know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
That being said, you know, here in North America there
are literally thousands upon thousands of trail cams out there
specifically looking for sasquatch or dog man or whatever else
is weird and strange. So my question would be, are
there people over there who are setting up trail cameras,

(01:09:49):
who are setting up, you know, some sort of video
imagery to try and capture these on film or by photo.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
So, yes, yes there are, but there's a really big butt.
It is extremely difficult to get into the parts of
the forest where these creatures are spotted. This is, as
I said, days out of the way into really inhospitable territory,

(01:10:17):
and there are very strict government regulations around us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Are they a protected species?

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
No, they are not, but the areas themselves are protected.
And there's also a lot of government corruption, like a
lot of government corruption, and in order to get to
some of the areas. It involves huge payoffs, It involves
bringing government official with you in order to go there,

(01:10:48):
you know, and providing all of the resources and everything
else that is required for this government official to be
with you for the entire time, and the potential confiscation
of anything that you you do discover. And they are
developing nations. Indonesia is a developing nation. It is when

(01:11:08):
you leave the cities. So when if you go to Jakarta,
if you go to Bali, if you go to some
of the touristy spots, it's beautiful and gorgeous, and there
are you know, huge cities and it's incredible, and you know,
it's it's fairly easy to get around. But when you
go to the places where these creatures are supposed to live,

(01:11:29):
it's it becomes much much much more challenging, and there
are not there. There is not a lot of spare income.
I would say, is a kind is an okay way
to put it. There's not a lot of spare income
to invest in expensive trail cameras for things that may

(01:11:51):
or may not yield any kind of results.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
A lot of those extern Asian countries hunt specific creatures
out there for alleged medicinal purposes, you know, everything from
disease to to you know, trying to get the libido going.
Are these things poached? Do we know if there are

(01:12:19):
poachers looking for these No, So there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Is not a very strong history of that sort of
medicine being practiced in there. There's not a lot of
animal medicine. There is a very very deep respect for
all wildlife. My experience in Sumatra was that everyone that
we encountered had a deep respect for wildlife and was

(01:12:47):
only eating the things. It was only hunting the things
that they were absolutely going into it. And there was
no real waste that I saw, and there was no
hunting specifically for medicinal properties. And you didn't get the legends.
And we did hear stories about some businessmen from other
countries coming over and offering large amounts of money for

(01:13:08):
things like tiger and for other endangered species, and to
their credit, everyone that we came across said that they
would refuse any of those offers. I spoke with a
farmer who was offered two year salary if he would
kill the tiger that they knew existed on his property,
and he said, that's very very short sighted. That would

(01:13:31):
be incredibly short sighted, because if I killed the tiger,
then all of the pigs are going to come and
ruin my farm. And yeah, I'll get two year salary,
but this I'm leaving this farm to my kids. And
if the pigs come and ruin it, and if this
tiger isn't there to reproduce and to have other tigers
that come and protect it, then I'm I'm not going
to have anything to leave to my children in two years.

(01:13:52):
Isn't really going to help me very much. And I
was incredibly impressed with that, and found that in most
places that I was in Sumatra, that same mindset kind
of persisted.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
They understand that taking away one problem creates many other problems.
Absolutely correct, Yeah, that's absolutely incredible. You believe this creature exists?

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
I do. I do, and I did not when I
before I got there, I will say, but I do now,
I don't know. I can't. I don't have the evidence
to say that it is still there, but I do
believe that it was there very recently, and I think
there are there are very credible sightings within the last

(01:14:34):
twenty five years. But I don't have an extreme amount
of confidence that they are still there, at least in
the areas where I was. If I could get to
those more remote islands, the places that are uninhabited, I
could gather some more data and I might feel a
little better about it. But the scientists in me won't
let me completely commit and say that they're still there,

(01:14:56):
but certainly within my lifetime they were.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
You seem very concerned about its future existence.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
I do, yes, yes, absolutely, I mean I think that
we are. We are seeing destruction of habitat on a
scale that's almost unfathomable. We're seeing the conversion of old
growth rainforest into palm oil plantations and into rubber plantations
and into farmland, just the clear cutting of a lot

(01:15:24):
of forests for farms. And we're seeing, you know, climate
change severely impact the rainy season is changing drastically and
becoming less of a season and much more difficult to predict.
We're seeing erosion from that, and we're seeing just the
destruction of the entire way of life. We're also seeing

(01:15:47):
a lot of the native population, the truly you know,
the indigenous people who still live in a very very
traditional way. We are seeing that lifestyle being completely rooted
and destroyed. As well, just with modernization. And now I
am concerned because the capital of Indonesia is being moved

(01:16:12):
and I think that we'll see urbanization of certain areas
of Sumatra which were not before.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
And unfortunately that's part of earthly growth.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
It is, you know, it is, it's I mean, it's
one of those things. I have a very hard time
and I fully recognize that it is a it is
a Western view to even have the luxury to consider this,
but yeah, it's really challenging. When I was living with
different tribes, the Pygmy tribes, for example, I am constantly struggling.

(01:16:47):
I saw a three year old. You know, I have kids,
I know what three year olds are like. I saw
three year old who has given a machete almost as
large as they are, and one of the grandfathers and
the tribe was teaching them how to kill venomous sentipedes
that were inching towards this child and you know, getting
closer and closer in This little three year old is

(01:17:09):
trying to hold a MACHETI and I'm I'm having a
very Western struggle with that. But at the same time,
I see a three year old on an iPhone and
playing with that, and I don't feel great about that either.
So I am not able to judge what life is
better or which way of life is better or more

(01:17:29):
important or more you know, right, But I know that
things are changing drastically and that there's a way of
life that has existed for forever and is no longer
available to people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
You've been there a few times, now, have you seen
any personal evidence of these creatures, whether it's footprints, markings
on trees, maybe little carvings, what have you seen?

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Yeah, I saw markings on trees, and I did see
some some footprints that you know, if you look at
it with one eye closed, it's possible, but nothing that
was overly convincing from the footprint realm. But I did
see some markings on trees that did absolutely appear that
an upright bipedal animal had grabbed this tree. And there's

(01:18:16):
there's just this beautiful moss that grows on the tree,
just this absolutely gorgeous, really distinct kind of patterns of moss,
and you could see where an animal had grabbed it
and pulled and pulled down on the moss, and then
had grabbed the next tree and then pulled and it
was not in a pattern that would be consistent with
and given. And there are no orangutans in the area

(01:18:39):
where I was. And this was a trail where a
person who I had a personal relationship with. I knew this.
I knew this individual, and I completely trusted and believed
what he said he had seen in a rankin deck
come through. And as we were looking, He's like, it
was right over here, and this is where I saw it.
And we walked over and I'm looking at the trees

(01:19:00):
and then I see those handpoles and I was like, oh, yeah,
that that all adds up. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
What's the biggest difference between looking for a rang pen
deck and say, going to Australia to look for yahwe
or going to you know, other areas where bigfoot exists.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
Sure, so I think that it's the availability of the
I think it's the inaccessibility of the area and the
ability to go to a place where there really isn't
human interaction, where you know, you are seeing species that
have potentially never seen a human before, and you are
going to parts of mountains where you know humans do

(01:19:45):
not tread. You know, in most places where I've been,
even Mongolia or West Africa. You're not surprised to find
a cigarette butt on the ground. You know, you think
you're out in the middle of nowhere, and then you
look down like, Okay, yeah, it feels like I'm in
the middle of nowhere. But I find a cigarette butt
in Sumatra. That's not happening. You are truly in a

(01:20:07):
place where no one has been for so I think
it's that inaccessibility that leads to more of a scientific
credence for yes, there there there are unknown animals here,
and I think it's a much easier sell. I guess
in my mind, I think that when you're talking about
the YearIn I'm sorry, the Yowi in Australia, that's a

(01:20:30):
really interesting one because those stories likely came over with
the Aboriginal people who came who you know, there's some
really fascinating genetic research into the Aborigines in Australia and
the linkages with Native Americans from potentially North America as
well as from Indonesia, and the stories of the Yowi

(01:20:55):
likely came from from them. And I have not seen
as much hard evidence for that in Australia, but I
would love to get there and investigate myself.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
So sticking with North America, then you have traveled across
North America from Canada, the West coast of Canada right
through the United States. What do you think is missing
with what we're doing compared to say, what the people
of Sumatra are doing with a rang pedec.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
So I think that I think that you're in the
right spot for it. If we are going to find
any evidence of a bigfoot sasquatch, I think that you
are in the right area. I believe that the Pacific
Northwest is our best bet for that, and I think
that the more that we can get out there with

(01:21:48):
trail cams, the more that we can get people who
are and I know how hard it is to get
to get a shot off with your camera, you know,
to really be able to get that camera ab zoomed
in and focused and sure something is not very easy.
So I do think trail cams are probably our best bet.
But if we've got an animal that's not using trails,

(01:22:08):
and if we have an animal that is as intelligent
as you know, many people that I really respect to
tell me that sasquatches are, then I think it's going
to be it. Well, we know that it is an
extreme challenge. But I think that that's like, Oh the
other the other thing new technology that we have that
we didn't have when I was out there is the DNA.

(01:22:31):
I would really love to see a lot more work
done with environmental DNA, and I think that we we
will definitely find new species and I think that that
will be able to answer the question scientifically for sasquatch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Two minutes to go, well, about a minute ninety minute, yeah,
about ninety seconds to go. Pardon me, how do we
find bigfoot now? Because because there is so many fake
and CGI videos out there right now, how do we
how do we do it now?

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
DNA? E DNA is absolutely my answer. I believe that,
you know, environmental DNA is available now and reasonably inexpensive
for a lot of expeditions, and I think that that
is the tool that we use. We go out to
every stream that we can and collect water. We swab

(01:23:32):
all of the trees, we swab all the areas where
things are, where these creatures are cited. We go to
the area that you are describing and get as many
swabs of as many things as we can, and we
truly get a database going of e DNA. You know,
we we don't come back with the classic unknown human
like but we start comparing those we get enough of

(01:23:55):
those samples to build this up, and that would be enough.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
I wonder about that because I think a lot of
the problem is there's a lot of evidence out there,
but people who are looking for it don't have the
money to send it to a university or to a
laboratory to say, hey, is this sasquatch hair? Is this
dog man feces? I mean, there's a lot of issues

(01:24:22):
when it comes to the financial burden of what we do.
And it's not just traveling to the location and wondering
what kind of sandwich ham to make or to bring
with you. I'm gonna get you to hold on right there.
We're going to go to break here in about twenty seconds.
We have until the top of the hour. Patspain. Patspain
dot com is his website. You want to check it

(01:24:43):
on out. This man is a legend hunter. He's been
on Travel Channel, numerous documentaries and TV shows exploring the
myths and the legends of this beautiful planet we call Earth.
This is spaced out Radio. We'll be right back. You're

(01:25:11):
listening Space down with your host Dave Scott. My dad
went out for beers with his buddy tonight. Now I
think he's drunk texting in the chat room. Good on you, Pop,

(01:25:35):
good on you. He's single again, So ladies, careful. My
dad has an incredible mustache and he's single. Be careful. Yeah,
all of a sudden, like this past week, my dad
has decided to come into the chat room every night,
Like what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Dad?

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Leave me alone? I and I don't that my dad
is is awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
That is excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
You know, it's here's a funny story about my dad. Hi,
Ross Smith, how you doing? And I'm sorry I don't
understand the language of your name on LinkedIn, but hello
and welcome to our show. So a number of years ago,
when I in twenty thirteen, when I had my first
big foot encounter, I called it my dad.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
That night.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
I'm like, Dad, you're not gonna believe what happened to me.
And my dad's a big, tough Alberta farmer boy, and
I said, he goes, what happened? I said, I saw
two sasquatch today And he goes, no, you didn't, said yes,
I did. No, you didn't, And I said, Dad, why

(01:26:50):
the hell would I call you? Because we talk hockey
language to each other, so it's usually pretty colorful. So Dad,
why the hell would I call you and tell you
that I saw it? If I didn't, I don't believe
in that stuff. I don't care if you believe it
or not. That's what I saw. And it pissed me
off and actually hung up on him. I hung up
on him, you know, And he called me back and

(01:27:11):
he's like, did he really you know, because he knew
that he hurt my feelings a little bit, And I
said yeah, and I said, I know you're not interested.
Blah blah blah conversation, you know, never hurt our relationship
or anything like that over bigfoot. But it's fun funny
because since my mom passed away and my parents were
blessedly married for fifty three years. We lost my mom

(01:27:34):
two years ago, my dad has all of a sudden
started asking questions, especially this year, about a lot of things,
because all of a sudden he's seeing on the news
the UFO Talk, and you know, he's kind of been
asking me after ten years of doing this show, kind
of all of a sudden asking me all these really

(01:27:55):
cool questions, you know. And I took him out to
a few weeks ago to Flight twenty one. Tim and
I took him out there research buddy and I and
going out there, he's like, you know, I just I
just want to see something. I don't care what it is.
I just want to see something. And we're there probably

(01:28:16):
an hour and a half or so, and Tim's walking
through this trail and right in the moss he sees
about a fifteen inch print. So my dad, who suffers
from COPD so he can't do a lot of walking,
we bring my dad over there and show him the
footprint and he was just amazed, absolutely amazed that He's like,

(01:28:40):
what made that? Dad? He goes, that's huge, and I'm like,
I'm like, Dad, that's a sasquatch print. So he got
to go home and tell all his buddies that he
that he saw a sasquatch print. He forgot to take
a picture, but I took pictures and I got to,
you know, do that. So it's really kind of cool that,

(01:29:01):
you know, at my dad is seventy six and watching
him all of a sudden, you know, try and open
up his very five senses mind to what we are
talking about and what I do on a nightly basis.
And it's weird how he's gone from just shaking his head,
my son's an idiot to going, you know, hey, maybe

(01:29:26):
maybe there is something to this, And I got to
open my mind a little bit and see what else
is out there and just let the experience happen. So
I'm really proud of.

Speaker 6 (01:29:33):
Him for that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
That is excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Yeah, I can't wait to take him out again because.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, And just that reaction of being confronted
by something that you didn't think was possible and then
seeing the evidence right in front of you, there's just
nothing better than that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Yeah. Yeah, I would like to get him, like I
wish our area, like the area where we investigate, the
ground is very hard. So when you get a footprint,
you might, you know, to use metric terms, you might
get a like a millimeter of an edge, like nothing
you could cast. Yeah, okay, I would love to show
him like just a beautiful giant print, you know, but

(01:30:12):
our area we just don't get those. Yeah, I do
have a We're gonna get some audience questions when we
come back. Thank you Gary, Thank you t Bone Peruda
Cat Chaser and Kitty Caddi Wack for the super chats.
We're gonna try and fit in some questions from our
audience here in the next half hour. Here we go, everybody.

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Space Travelers Club. We got Patspain here. Patspain dot Com
is his website. We're gonna get some audience questions in
just a little bit here, and Pat, I want to
ask you a question here because this will lead into
you know where I investigate out in the Caribou region
of where I live. What's the weirdest footprint you've ever seen?

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
So, Actually, when I was in Wisconsin, strangely, there was
a farm there where we were talking about the Beast
of Bray Road, and the gentleman that owned this farm
had some I didn't get to see the footprint in person,
but I saw the photos that he had, and there

(01:32:17):
were from There was a couple where you could tell
that it was oversteps where it was one animal and
then another animal that had stepped over it. But there
was one that I absolutely could not identify as any
known animal or any combination of known animals. And I
don't think that this guy planted it. I think that
it was just something really, really strange, and to this day,

(01:32:39):
I've never come up with a really great answer for
what it could have been. He believed that it was aliens.
I can't say that with any type of certainty. But
it was the only footprint that I've seen this photo
that I was not able to give any type of
reasonable explanation for.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
We have found these too really strange prints. We have
only seen two of them, and they were about ninety
yards apart. If you took a footprint of a duck,
and you expanded it to about the size of a
baseball glove, like an open baseball glove, not a closed

(01:33:24):
baseball glove, an open baseball glove.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
And it had these it had these little weird little
heels on it at the bottom of it. I don't
know what the hell that is. Neither does Tim. We
found one way in the trees, and then ninety yards
below it another one right on a path. It was

(01:33:49):
absolutely weird. I don't know if you've ever heard of
something like that or what have you. I don't have
pictures of it. I know we do have them on
camera during our flight twenty one filming Secrets of the
Forest on our YouTube channel Minor you know advertisement.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
There was it in the snow or the mud.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
No, it was one was uh it kind of moved
the moss that was on the ground into the dirt,
and the other one was just on a on a
on a beaten path that ATVs use.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
Yeah. I mean I've seen a lot of really expanded
prints in snow where I mean, you know, like as
the snow melts, it kind of expands out. And I've
seen the same thing happen with mud but yeah, no,
I wouldn't. There's no animal that I can that comes
to mind for me with that one.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Yeah. Please, let's not talk snow yet. Oh no, it's
getting really really close here. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
I like it the hottest and most humid that it
can possibly be. I like tropical heat. I feel like
in New England where I live, we are allowed to
complain about one type of weather, and I have chosen
minus snow, so I will not complain about anything else,
and I will appreciate all of the other types of
weather that we get here.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Well, I could tell you this, but man, I have
We've only seen those two prints. Don't know what it is.
I told a friend of mine in the community, good
friend of mine, and she actually said that there was
she had heard or seen an article about people in
the past in our area seeing these giant duck prints.

(01:35:35):
What that is, I don't know. I don't hunt ducks,
so I think I'm in good karma that way. You know,
there was no there was no claw marks in it either.
It was just like the flat, the flat you know,
width of the of the of the print. It was weird.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
Interesting. Yeah, No, I have no idea that that is
very strange.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
And definitely somebody is not going to be wearing flippers
up there.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Right, No, and not jumping ninety feet.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
Either, No, ninety yards apart.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
Ninety yards ninety yards yeah man, yeah, yeah, no, that's
pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Before I get to audience questions, how do you explain
the footprint phenomena where you can have one print right
in the middle of the ground looks absolutely amazing, and
then there's not any other prints, or there's another print
fifty sixty feet down the path. How do you explain that?

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
Yes, I mean we've seen this with with known animals
and with people that that we're tracking. Sorry, people who
are trackers have seen this, and there's a lot of
different reasons for that. There's everything from just the composition
of the soil, even if it feels the exact same
to us, there might be some you know, slight variations
in the soil. There's different variations in gait. There's climate

(01:36:56):
climate conditions where you know, the wind has come through
and move this one particular spot, or you know this
this large swath but left this one. We even see
this with fossils. We'll find, you know, one fossilized dinosaur
print and that's it, nothing else around it, and like,
what what can account for just this one staying around

(01:37:20):
and none of the other ones, Or you'll find one
and then another one fifty yards beyond. It's it's rare
to find that. You know, what everyone wants to find
with Prince is the trail. You want one after the other.
You want to be able to see it, you want
to be able to measure gate. But that's really unusual
to find that. So I think we're more likely than

(01:37:42):
not to just find that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Loan that is. That is strange, man. I never would
have thought about it that way, because I know people
who have seen Prince in the snow.

Speaker 4 (01:37:56):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
I had a gentleman approach me about two years ago.
Literally I have a daytime job as well. Literally walked
in to my daytime job office. I happened to be
in the hallway at the time, and he's like, hey, Dave,
are you the guy who looks for bigfoot? I'm like yeah.
He goes, let me ask you something, and he found
a row of about ten twelve tracks in the snow,

(01:38:21):
and he was walking his dog. It was probably about
minus twenty outside, which is perfect walking temperature for your dog.
Up here at least it's when it gets minus thirty
to minus forty degrees celsius. Then then it gets a
little cold, right, And so he's walking his dog and

(01:38:42):
all of a sudden, on the side of the road
in the right, on the ledge where the snow is,
he sees about twelve tracks. Now, I do understand with
what you were saying that you know, you could have
a moose print, and by the time the snow starts
a compact and melt, it looks like a sasquatch print.
I get that, and I can greatly appreciate what you're

(01:39:04):
saying on that. But at minus twenty the snow isn't melting.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Oh no, and definitely not.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
The problem with these track lines was there was no
start and no finish. They just showed up. The first
one showed up. The twelfth or tenth or twelfth one
was there. There was no exit onto the road, There
was no exit into the farmland that would have been
on the other side of the snow bank. There was

(01:39:31):
no exit whatsoever. How do we explain something like that
in say, a condition of snow rather than dirt or gravel.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Yeah, I think there's just something that we're missing I mean,
I know, I know it's it's not a very satisfying answer,
but I think that there's there's something that we're missing.
I think that there there is an exit into that
no farmland, or there is an exit into the road
that we're not seeing, or it looks more like a drag,
or there's you know, there there was some kind of

(01:40:03):
jump that moved them over there, something that made them
jump to one of those sides. Yeah, I just I
tend to stick in the very physical world of it's
not there isn't just a starting and then a disappearing
of somewhere. I can't completely rule it out. I can't

(01:40:27):
say that it's absolutely impossible, but I believe that there
are more grounded explanations for most of these most phenomena
that we see.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
See.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
That's what I like about your type of science. You
are looking for the logical, okay, and you're looking for
anything that is going to prove the logic of it,
but you're not ready to rule out the supernatural potential
or aspect of that. Because you said something very important

(01:41:03):
that the cryptid world and the UFO world especially forget about,
and that is we don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, gravity at one time
was not accepted. This was considered a heretical idea. There's
there's a lot in science that that we don't know
and that you know, I do think that we do
a disservice by just writing something off because it sounds absurd.
And that was Fort. That was Charles Fort's whole thing

(01:41:30):
is that, you know, we're just gonna we're just gonna
question this. We're not going to immediately write something off.
We're not going to immediately dismiss something. Everything should be
you know, looked at and investigated and let's see where
the grain of truth is or let's see where this
leads us. And you know, let's let's get move something
from the paranormal to the normal because a lot of occurrences,

(01:41:52):
you know, ball lightning, think about that, Like most people
thought that this, you know, was a ghost story, This
was something paranormal. Now we know that this is a
natural phenomena. That's something that does happen. It's very unusual,
super weird, but it does happen, and we can come
up with a physical explanation for it. And I do
believe that about every other phenomena that we experience that

(01:42:15):
there is a logical explanation for.

Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Let's get to some audies questions here. Let's start off
with Seymour Here, what's the difference between a cryptid and
an undocumented species?

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Nothing? Oh, and I love the name, by the way,
Seymour Glass, oh Man, very near and dear to my heart.
Salinger is my favorite author, and Seymour is my favorite character.
My daughter's middle name is Cowfield after holding Cawfield. So
Seymour Glass excellent. Really, yeah, just my favorite books. So, yeah,

(01:42:46):
there's no difference between a cryptied and an undocumented species.
That's really when we say cryptid, most people think of,
you know, kind of the big sexy animals. You think
of the really big, crazy wild things that are going
to get you know, front page news. But genuinely, anytime
that you talk about a species that we don't have
a scientific holotype, we haven't found that, you know, perfect

(01:43:12):
this is the one species that this is the one
example of this species that we can point to, then
it's a cryptid there are or then it's an undocumented Yeah,
they're they're the same thing. We have examples of this
with birds with primates, you know, they just found the
new species of skullfaced macaque where if you spoke with
the locals who lived there, the indigenous people of the area,

(01:43:34):
they could have told you everything about it. They told
you it's eating habits, they told you it's migratory patterns
where you know where it sleeps, everything else. But because
it didn't have a Latin name and we didn't have
that one, you know, that example of this uh, this species,
then it was encrypted and then when we found it,
it became you know species, which is a little bit uh,

(01:43:55):
there's there's a little bit of bias there that is
a little that is kind of uncomfortable for our community
to go with. But yeah, I mean, we should believe
indigenous people when they're telling us this stuff. So I'm
going to very long answer to a short.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
I think it was a good answer, though, because I
do want to follow up with that because many scientists, anthropologists,
and others believe that we've already discovered every potential bigger
species in North America, you know, and they that's why
they don't accept bigfoot or sasquatch as a legitimate creature

(01:44:34):
that could be out there.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
Oh No, we're finding new species all the time, and
I mean big Yeah, I think. I think it's a
it's a little bit of a tougher it's a kind
of higher bar for us to find large species in
North America, but I have no doubt that we will
and that we are. They're still finding new species of turtle.
One of the largest species of turtles in Vietnam was

(01:44:59):
found Saigon, you know, in a hugely populated area, like
less than twenty years ago. There's only been like a
dozen or less sightings of the megamouth shark, which is
a massive animal. So there's a lot of large species
that are left to be dead for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Let's go to carry. Have you ever come across a
warrock jen hunting that? I don't even know how to
pronounce that?

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
I am not I'm not familiar with that one. No,
is that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:30):
I'm going to google it onegion. Yeah, now I'm I'm
going to go do my Google research here.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
That was one of the problems actually with the Machelam
Bembe investigation is that there were so many different names
for Michela and Bembe that every time that we'd talked
to an eyewitness, it would be you know, twenty minutes
of a conversation about the name, And is that the
one that looks like a crocodile? No, no, that's this
And is that the one that looks like a pterodactyl. No?

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
No, So apparently it is a mythical creature and a
cultural symbol of Semarang, Indonesia. It represents the harmony of
the city's diverse ethnic groups Javanese, Chinese and Arab traditionally
appearing in the annual Doug Duran festival, a pre Ramadan celebration.

(01:46:22):
Weak in gen dog I apologize for butchering that is
depicted as a rhinosaurus like creature or rhinoceros. Pardon me,
We'll learn how to read dave a rhinoceros like creature
with a goat's head symbolizing the Javanese people.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
Oh, I mean the Javar rhino is absolutely gorgeous and
such a weird looking animal, such a cool and really
really unique kind of creature. So yeah, I mean I
would see that as kind of an I'm not familiar
with it. First, I will not a problem to say that,
But I mean I could see that as being an

(01:47:04):
amalgamation of the Sumatra and rhino, the Java rhino and
potentially a few other of the kind of more unusual
and less seen animals in the area.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
Let's go to Jaketta. Have you ever encountered.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
So My my in laws actually lived in Hawaii for
for a while and they had some really great stories
and some of the of some of the legends around there.
I unfortunately have not been myself, which is crazy to me.
That was It's one of those spots that keeps on
getting pushed back. But I do need to get there

(01:47:45):
at some point. So I haven't personally investigated, but I
have heard some of the stories, and I believe that
these are again like the kind of small I could
be very wrong on this, but I believe that they
are the small kind of uh, mischievous creature type.

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
All right, let's continue here. Let's go to t Bone.
Do the indigenous over there have any ufo or alien tails?

Speaker 4 (01:48:11):
Oh? For sure, yes, absolutely so. In a lot of
the different regions that we were, people would talk about
seeing lights. A lot of times it's lights from space.
There was not as much about aliens about actually anything
being on the ground, but there was about seeing things
in the sky and seeing lights. And they were definitely

(01:48:32):
not describing planes or meteors or any astrological events that
we're aware of. But yes, people would describe and you
can see the sky so much better in these places
without light pollution, so I have no doubt that they
are seeing things that we are missing here in any
regions that are close to cities.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
Final question from our audience tonight Blue Cruise is asking
was there an incident a few years back where in
a range Pendeck entered a tent of a wildlife biologist
to steal a container of sugar.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
Yeah, so there there was, but I was intrigued by it.
So while I was in Sumatra, I was able to
interview a farmer whose name was pac Pak, and he
had a story of an ranpin deck breaking into his hut,
which was his his farming hut. It was kind of

(01:49:25):
the on the far far far outside of the city
and an rankin deck broken and stole sugar. And he
gave a very very descriptive account of this. And what
really was fascinating about the account to me is I
will be very pg in this. But he was able
to describe the animal's genitalia in a in a high

(01:49:49):
level of detail, and that lended a lot of credence
to the story. Oftentimes when you ask questions about that,
you get a lot of blushes and a lot of like, oh,
I don't know. I did, but he kind of of
lit up when I asked him that question, and his
wife started hitting him, like uh so he had clearly
mentioned this before, but he was very descriptive in the

(01:50:10):
way that he was talking about the animals chenitals. And
after this story was published from POC, another like almost
identical stories but leaving out some of the details, was
published by another farmer from a few miles away, and

(01:50:31):
that was one where I found out that that farmer
was paid for his story. And then shortly after that
there was another one who had supposedly seen the rankpan deck.
And again the details get a little bit less and
less and less each time. So now the kind of
story of the rank and deck breaking in and stealing
some sugars, I do believe that originated with the gentleman

(01:50:54):
that I was able to meet with, and it's since
been kind of repeated in a few different contexts.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Three and a half minutes to go before we have
to say good night to this portion of the show.
What do you want people to know about the creatures
that are out there that are undiscovered, that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
There are undiscovered creatures out there, that there absolutely are,
and that getting out into nature is always its own reward.
So and it's a way to get especially kids, to
get really excited about this. Like my daughter is the
unusual child and that she loves going to find Nowda
branks with me. But my son gets a lot more

(01:51:36):
excited about Bigfoot. So if I tell my son that
we're going to go on a Bigfoot expedition, he's all
pumped up and all excited. And when we go out there,
maybe we'll see, you know, a couple different species of owls,
maybe we'll see some some blue herons. If we're near
any of the waterways, maybe we'll find yellow spotted salamanders

(01:51:56):
or a giant snapping turtle. Hopefully aren't going to find Bigfoot,
but we're going to have a great time out there,
and it's going to give him a love of nature,
and that's what we can continue to do. So there
is always a good excuse to get out in nature
and to go try to experience these things. And you
do have a chance of seeing something that people have
not seen.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
Before that is very very interesting. Where's your next adventure?

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
Too, So I'm actually working with a couple of different
production companies right now that I am very hopeful will
come through. I can't say all of the uh details
about where we would be, but if either one of
them happens, they would be globespanding and getting me to

(01:52:43):
some areas that I've been to before and some that
are really really have been on the top of.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
My list for a while, like British Columbia.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
I would love to get back there. I mean, British
Columbia is just far and away one of the most
beautiful places that I've ever been. The editor of my
books actually made a trip to British Columbia after reading
my description of it, because he said, he's like that,
I have to go there on vacation now, and he
was not disappointed.

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
Yeah, it's a it's a nice place once you get
out of the mainstream area where you land and you
get through you know, like Vancouver's great to look at,
you know, with the mountains in behind it, it's pretty majestic.
But once you get into the mountains, that's where it
gets fun.

Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
Oh yeah, Yeah, And Nanaimo is gorgeous, and that's.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Where I started my radio career just up the road
from Nanaimo. Really yeah, excellently Yeah c kCi thirteen fifty
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Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
Yes, very good.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
I don't even know if the station exists anymore, but
it's there. Tell everybody where they can find your website
and where they can find your.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
Work, So www dot pat Spain dot com and you
can find my books hopefully in a few different bookstores,
but definitely on Amazon. And uh yeah that's and then
I'm on Instagram. I'm on That's really the main social
media that I do. I'm trying to get onto TikTok,

(01:54:14):
but haven't really broken through that. I posted two videos
today for the first time. Actually, I'm ad good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Pat. You are a gem to this community, absolute gem.
And thank you for your hard work and more importantly,
your love and passion for these great subjects from an
open minded scientific view. Patspain dot com is his website.
Coming up next, we have Swamp Dweller. Then right after
that extra small Lee Strauss will be in for the

(01:54:43):
cryptid Q and A get your questions ready. You're listening
to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott. All right,

(01:55:07):
we are clear, Pat, If you I'll leave it up
to you. If you want to stick around and learn
a little bit about flight twenty one from Lee and I,
you're more than welcome. But if you want to get
off to bed, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:55:17):
M I think I've got a I think I've got
a bail. We're going apple picking in about three hours.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
I got to be up in six hours for hockey
PRAC or for my son's hockey in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:27):
I love it. I love it, brother, Thank you, appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
I really appreciate this. This was great.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
We'll do this soon.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Okay, that sounds excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
All right, Pat, take care. That's Spain. Everybody. Extra Small
is warming up. He is stretching as we speak, and
I'll be right.

Speaker 6 (01:55:43):
Back us.

Speaker 5 (01:58:07):
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Speaker 1 (02:00:26):
All right, let's bring in extra Small. There we go, a.

Speaker 3 (02:00:33):
Man, it would be better if I had the mic
over here.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
We got about a minute to go here. Thank you cs,
Gary T Bone, Kittie Kat and Peruda for the super
chats tonight. Greatly appreciate your love and support. And let's see, Yes,

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look at the extra small there here.

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
I am.

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
My nose has been running all day. Man.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Swamp dwellers, A little bit of a long one. It's
eight minutes, but we'll get to it. Get you here
in a minute, Okay, Lee, here we go. Hello and
welcome to our number three of spaced Out Radio tonight.

(02:01:42):
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Speaker 9 (02:02:39):
Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 10 (02:02:43):
I'm Swamp Dweller and tonight I'm going to take you
on a mystic journey of the Uno, sharing tales of monsters, legends,
and nightmares.

Speaker 9 (02:02:53):
Welcome to the spaced out Radio Swamp.

Speaker 10 (02:02:57):
In two thousand and nine, I was interested in the
paranormal since I had many paranormal experiences growing up. I
found a website that held ghost stores at the old
Southwestern General Hospital. I was excited and ready to go
on a ghost hunt. The group that held the ghost
tour was named ghost or Ghost Hunters of South Texas.

(02:03:18):
The group was professional and they used many of the
items that paranormal researchers used at the time. Before the tour,
they showed us proof that they have captured in previous investigations.

Speaker 9 (02:03:30):
While investigating the property.

Speaker 10 (02:03:32):
EVPs included a little boy saying play with me please,
and a woman with a Southern accent responding to questions.
The woman is said to be in an old time
dress and sometimes old time nurse attire. After the tour,
the group said they were having openings for new members
and the new members would be tested and would be

(02:03:53):
considered and maybe being part of the new team.

Speaker 9 (02:03:56):
I was quick to join and try out. I made
the team.

Speaker 10 (02:04:00):
The team would have private group ghost tons so we
would have the building to ourselves. The third floor was
used as a hospice type of area. The building has
four floors. The first, second, and fourth floor were left
abandoned and they looked like a scene out of a
horror movie. Hospital bedslet in rooms, dusty and unused. Many

(02:04:23):
had dates from nineteen ninety five and before I even
found a death blog that had many names and dates.
The most active areas were the fourth and second floor.
The fourth floor had a baby nursery in many rooms
that were once used for families that would be welcoming
new babies. One EVP that was caught in that area
was one of crying babies. At the time the EVP

(02:04:46):
was caught, there were no babies in the building and
it was after midnight sometime when it was caught. Also
on the fourth floor, there was a long hallway with
empty patient rooms. In that hallway, shadows were always seen
running or moving. The second floor was an old area also,
many shadow figures were seen in this area. When doing

(02:05:08):
research on the deaks in the building, I came up
with what looked like to be a nurse who was
crushed to death when a malfunction with the elevator. Happened
years ago. During the time I was a part of
this group. We investigated this building tons of times I
might even care to say maybe over one hundred. I

(02:05:29):
also led ghost tours in the building with other members.
I witnessed shadows, disembodied voices, screams, and one time heard
a female humming a song, only to find the room
empty and dark. I've seen videos of doors opening on
their own with no wind or people in the building. Also,
the third floor had employees that would see things and

(02:05:49):
hear things very often. Patients also complained of a kid
running in their room, where a man standing over their
bed just looking at them, only to disappear. Over the years,
I gained experience and loved what I did. As a group,
we investigated many places such as schools, homes, and cemeteries
in El Paso. We also got to investigate the old

(02:06:12):
Esarko smelter before it was demolished. Several years later, I
got to ghost hunt with people from ghost Hunters and
ghost Hunters International. I met many celebrities and the group
had them take their own personal ghost tours. It was
fun and I grew a thick skin for fearing anything
that goes bump in the dark. One of my favorite
places to investigate was Southwestern General Hospital. I never believed

(02:06:35):
in being followed home. One night after investigating, I was
at my apartment, eating on my couch and watching TV.
I had my hallway light on near the front door
that was visible from where I was sitting. Suddenly, from
the corner of my eye, I saw a shadow of
a person on the wall near the door. I turned
and saw the shadow in full form. It was about

(02:06:56):
six foot tall and completely black then, but even a
second later, the shadow moved as if it was running
down my hallway to my bedroom. I frozen horror, thinking
somebody was in my apartment. I got up and walked
to my bedroom. Nobody was there. I searched the whole
house up and down, and then I thought to myself,

(02:07:17):
maybe I'm just going crazy. I soon went to bed
A few minutes later. It was probably about three twenty
am when I felt my bed shaking. I woke up
to my sheets being pulled off me very slowly and deliberately.
I tried to move, but I just could not. My
sheets slid very slowly off me towards the floor. I
could not move and I started to hear growling in

(02:07:39):
my right ear. From the corner of my eye, I
could see something moving near my head on the right
of me. It was on my pillow. I can only
see it from the peripheral vision that it had hair.
It was hairy and brown. If I could compare it
to something, I would say Chewbacca from Star Wars type hair.
It was moving very slow, but obviously very deliberately. It

(02:08:04):
was growling as well. My eye started to water up
with tears. I tried to move my arm, but I
just couldn't. I could only move my fingers. The blanket
was still being pulled off me, a little by little,
until it hit the floor and I was no longer
covered by my sheet. I felt the hairy thing moving
right next to me, and the growling grew louder. Then

(02:08:25):
suddenly I was able to sit up, and I turned
and looked to see what was there next to me.
The hairy thing was gone, but I could see the
imprint of where I had sat right next to me
just a moment ago. It was the size of a
full grown cat, and I looked around the room to
gather my sanity. I don't own a cat. My sheet

(02:08:45):
was on the floor and my eyes were still watery.
I asked myself, maybe it was just sleep paralysis. I
found it hard to sleep that night since I lived
alone in that apartment. The next day I had a
girl over to my apartment. Was seeing her from school.
I was playing PlayStation and she asked if she could
take a nap in my bed. I said, of course.

(02:09:07):
She went to my bed and fell asleep. Around twenty
minutes later, she suddenly came back to my living room
in tears. She said I have to leave. Down asked
her what was happening and what was wrong. What she
said shocked me. She said that something shook the bed
and woke her up. She could not move, and then
something was growling and started getting close to her ear.

(02:09:29):
Then the bed went down as if somebody lied down
next to her. She tried to scream for me and
could not. Then she felt as if somebody was breathing
on her neck as the growling grew louder. She said
it lasted about two minutes and then she was finally
able to move. When she was able to move, she
ran to me in the living room. After she explained.

Speaker 9 (02:09:48):
This, I grabbed her stuff and helped her leave.

Speaker 10 (02:09:52):
I did not tell her what happened to me the
night before, but I had that same exact experience. What
happened to her was enough proof that something was not right.
I could not explain what was happening. First thing that
came to mind that something probably followed me home from
the hospital. After a few days, all the activity suddenly stopped.

(02:10:12):
Only when I would go in on investigations, I would
see shadows in my apartment and then they would just
go away. I loved what I did, and the only
time I feared the paranormal was this moment. I no
longer ghost hunt and the group no longer gets together.
Southwest General Hospital was purchased and is now remodeled and
is in use. I can only imagine what the employees

(02:10:34):
of the LTAC go through by being in that building.
Every now and then I drive down Cotton and passed
the building. I missed the days of being part of
ghost El Paso. If you are ever in El Paso
after stopping by at Chico's Tacos, be sure to pass
by the old building by the Star in the Mountain,
formerly known as Southwest General Hospital.

Speaker 1 (02:10:57):
Thank you swam Dweller for another spooky story. If you
want more just like that, head on over to YouTube.
Type in swamp Dweller, hit subscribe, ring that bell. He's
got thousands of stories for you, just like that. It's
time for Lee.

Speaker 7 (02:11:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:11:32):
I think I'm gonna make you a new theme song.

Speaker 3 (02:11:35):
Oh yeah, I could. I could pass on one to you.

Speaker 1 (02:11:40):
No, no, I'll make one for you. Okay, it's gonna
be fun. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be very fun. Yeah,
the Beauty of a Man, the Beauty of a.

Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
Peewee's Big Top theme music or something.

Speaker 1 (02:11:57):
Maybe you never know, you never know how you been doing.

Speaker 6 (02:12:01):
I'm good.

Speaker 3 (02:12:02):
I'm good.

Speaker 7 (02:12:03):
Yeah, nothing nothing big new and exciting, just quite yet.

Speaker 3 (02:12:08):
But you know we're working on that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:11):
That's good. That's good. You know up here it's getting cold.
I know, man, it's getting cold real real quickly. And
I got to tell you areas southwest of me had

(02:12:31):
snow already. Really, So now we have to watch because
now the countdown is on at flight twenty one, Yeah,
to see if we're going to be able to get
there any time soon, because it will shut down and
then we'll have to break, you know, So I just

(02:12:53):
hope I know, Tim has not been feeling well recently
and everything, and that's why he couldn't be on your show,
element on our YouTube channel. And so I think that,
you know, hopefully he's healthy enough where we can get
him out there and get him back going, because it's
been a couple of weeks since we've been able to go.

Speaker 3 (02:13:13):
Yeah, I think that's a great idea.

Speaker 7 (02:13:15):
He should get it at least one more trip in
before the end of the you know the season.

Speaker 1 (02:13:21):
Well, there's there's a number of different snowfalls that happened,
so probably from November until April, we will not be
able to get there end of November to April. Before that,
and after that we may have to battle some elements,
but we can get there. That's the mother there you go,

(02:13:41):
that's the main thing. There's a lot of interesting stories
coming out right now about you know, whether it's the
UFO world or anything like that. I don't know if
you saw this one, I wanted to get your opinion.
I was chatting with Matt Laslow on X Today from
Ascopole where he basically went up to Representative Eric Burlison,

(02:14:04):
who is supposed to be one of the main players
in the whole UFO Congress story. And he was asking
him about the hellfire missile video that bounced off an object,
and Burlison pretty much said he knew nothing about the video,

(02:14:25):
knew nothing about it. This is a congressman who has
literally sat in on the UFO UAP hearings. He's been
extremely public about the fact that Washington needs to spend
more time looking into this. We need to be studying
the budget, we need to be studying absolutely everything that

(02:14:46):
goes along with it. And yet everybody's blowing up about
this video and said, congressman knows nothing about Italy. What's
your thoughts?

Speaker 7 (02:15:00):
Thoughts there is he probably does, he just doesn't have
the answers. He doesn't have answers what what happened in
that video? I mean, it was a very interesting situation
where you had the hellfire missile and the object and

(02:15:20):
objects going through the screen and then a ninety degree
angle here comes a hellfire missile and then looks like
it connects with the UFO and then keeps going. And
then the UFO is sitting there wobbling around and looks
like it may have regained its itself, you know, its
composure and kept going so.

Speaker 3 (02:15:42):
You know, he doesn't have an answer, so he doesn't.

Speaker 7 (02:15:45):
Want to indulge anybody with with that, with that talk
or that.

Speaker 3 (02:15:51):
You know, that's that's my guess.

Speaker 1 (02:15:54):
I think it's a logical guess. But I think it
really looks bad here, it really does. And I actually
retweeted that earlier today, and this is kind of what
I said. I retweeted Matt Laslow's article from ascapole dot
com A s K A p O l dot com.

(02:16:16):
You want to check it on out. I said, if
you really want to know how serious Congress really is
about learning about UFOs, then just read the Ascapole underscore
UAP's tweet on Eric Burlison. The subject is going nowhere. People,
they're the their own alleged supporters aren't paying attention to

(02:16:37):
what's going on. And that's where Matt really, you know,
jumped on board that and started a little bit of
a conversation, which is very very cool. You know, I'd
love to get him on the show. I got to
get get in contact with him here, you know, to
see if he would be able to do that. But
I'm just curious, though, I mean, is this all a game?

(02:16:59):
Is this all a charade to get on television or
to give Congress people who would normally be you know,
to use a Canadian political term, backbenchers, in order to
give them something to do. That's unique.

Speaker 7 (02:17:17):
We've heard it before many times. It's the dog and
Pony show, right. But the thing is is we are
getting good information from all the whistleblowers, even though it
seems at times that Congress wants to sweep things under
the rug for one reason or another, and we just

(02:17:39):
there seems to me like there's an over arching group
of individuals that are telling people to be quiet.

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:17:49):
Well, we can surmise that, but.

Speaker 7 (02:17:54):
Are they able to basically lord over our Congress people
and say, listen, you will not talk about this stuff,
or you will not take it to the tenth degree
or the nth degree to where.

Speaker 3 (02:18:08):
You're coming clean about what you know.

Speaker 7 (02:18:10):
I mean, we don't know what that entity is back
there that's telling people to to not say anything, right,
And it's obvious that certain things are okay to talk
about and there's certain things that they're not supposed to
talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:18:25):
It seems to me so.

Speaker 7 (02:18:28):
Sometimes Dave, it seems like somebody hits a nerve and
then something happens.

Speaker 3 (02:18:37):
Where they're told to shut up, and.

Speaker 7 (02:18:38):
All of a sudden they clam up. Nope, I'm not
talking about anything anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:18:42):
I'm done. Basically they withdraw. Well.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
It was also Eric Burlison who was pushing for the
involvement of David Grush through this all. So it really
doesn't make sense. If this guy is a player on
what we are doing, how do you not see the
video or know what it's about.

Speaker 7 (02:19:10):
Yeah, I just my guess would be is that he
doesn't want to talk about it for one reason or another.

Speaker 1 (02:19:18):
Either.

Speaker 7 (02:19:19):
I wouldn't believe that he's hasn't seen it. I think
that maybe it's just he didn't want to talk about
it at the time because maybe he hasn't put enough
attention on it. And sometimes you have to watch things
over and over and over before you get an idea
in your head on what happened in that video, you

(02:19:40):
know what I mean. I've had to do that with
that same video, where I've had to watch it over
and over and over again to understand to my abilities
what I'm seeing.

Speaker 3 (02:19:53):
In that video.

Speaker 1 (02:19:58):
I don't know what it is. My inclination is it
is some sort of balloon, not a UFO. And that's
only because I know people. I've talked to a couple
of people within the intelligence community on both sides of
the border who have said balloon, complete balloon. That's my
opinion of it. I'm not saying I'm not wrong. I'm

(02:20:20):
not saying it isn't a UFO or whatever. Maybe it's,
you know, somebody throwing a shoe at someone and it
got intercepted by a hellfire missile. I don't know, you know,
And I say that facetiously, you know, but I think
the video aside. I look at the people involved, and

(02:20:41):
it just makes me wonder where this is all going.
And it's not that I don't trust the whistleblowers. It's
not that I don't trust you know, George Knapp or
anybody like that. I think there is a good game
being played here by the players on the field that
are trying to do their best, people who are much

(02:21:02):
more connected than you and I will ever be that
being said, the umpires in the game, which we could
equate to Congress or the US government or the Pentagon.
You know, they're wearing blindfolds on this. They really are.
Now I'm not saying all of them don't get me wrong,
I think there is a lot of support in there.

(02:21:24):
I mean, look at Schumer Rounds. They're going forward again
in the defense budget this year. Now, maybe that the
reason why they use it as a UAP disclosed you
know act or whatever UAP. Obviously that means potentially more
money for black budget project and research you know, just
covered under the UAP topic. We don't know, but I think,

(02:21:49):
you know, it gets to me about this transparency thing, Lee,
and you hit the nail on the head that he
may know about it but just doesn't want to talk
about it or has been told not to talk about it.
And yet these are the same people who, if that
is true, these are the same people who get on
their pedestal to launch into tirades about transparency.

Speaker 7 (02:22:14):
It's the it's the pot called the kettle, black Man,
You read what it is.

Speaker 3 (02:22:20):
I I don't. There's there's not going to be an
answer here.

Speaker 7 (02:22:25):
Okay, he may come back next time he's asked and
and talk about it after he's looked over the video
several times for himself. But I think what upsets me
with all this stuff is they're still calling it.

Speaker 3 (02:22:44):
You u AP.

Speaker 7 (02:22:47):
Very few people have actually called them UFOs. Well, they're
having these hearings, and I applaud the people that have.

Speaker 1 (02:22:59):
I loved it when Tim Burshitt came out and said,
can we get back to calling them the UFOs please? Yeah,
I loved it. I loved it. I was like, yes,
let's get back on topic to what this is and
not what it is not exactly and you know one
of the things that the UFO world speaking on that

(02:23:21):
part though. So we got about a minute to go
before we go to break, and I've seen it in
our chat room, people complaining about me, you know, using
the word it's UFO, not UAP, UAP being man made objects.
I've taken heat over that, and I'm okay with that,
you know, because sometimes you do have to stand up
for what you believe in. On this topic. That being said,

(02:23:46):
I think that we are starting to see more people
go back to UFO. We really are. I think they
are recognizing the fact that a lot of these so
called UAP have been debunked as man made objects, and
now they're realizing what we've been saying for five, six,
seven years now, UAP are man made objects, They're not UFOs.

Speaker 7 (02:24:14):
Yeah, that's the way it is too. It seems that way,
and we got to change it up. They got to
change it up.

Speaker 1 (02:24:23):
Powerful statement from the Extra small one, Lee Strauss. Right there, Lee,
we're gonna go to break here at the bottom of
the hour. He's one of the good guys in the
field that we're lucky to have of as part of
the spaced Out Radio team. Lee Strauss, Element one. They'll
be right back with us. This is spaced Out Radio

(02:24:44):
and your hosts name Scott. All right, thank you t

(02:25:12):
Bone with a hat trick. He just scored his hat
trick right there, Thank you, t Bone. Love you buddy, buddy.
How do your show go?

Speaker 7 (02:25:25):
My show was okay, the audio was wasn't that great though?

Speaker 3 (02:25:29):
Unfortunately it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:25:33):
Your microphone, your microphone or your guests my guest. Yeah,
oh that's too bad. I've had that happen. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
It was rough, by.

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
The way, really weird. When your girlfriend popped into the
chat room, she said hi, sweetheart, and I'm like, high
sweetheart back, like, I don't know why your girlfriend's calling
me sweetheart. Buddy. I mean I'm a little a little
weirded out by that. I mean, I know I'm cute,
I know I have a tuggle.

Speaker 7 (02:26:00):
You're you're you're con cute her from the backside. People
don't haven't seen that side of you.

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
But it's flat as a board. You know he's sick.
Oh but oh my god. Oh so I had to
say high sweetheart back. Yeah, but you know, Tammy's probably

(02:26:25):
rolling her eyes at me right now. Who the fuck
is this guy? Right? Kind of one of those things.

Speaker 3 (02:26:33):
You've gotten to know who you are.

Speaker 1 (02:26:35):
M m hmm. You know what I'll do for Tammy.
I just don't do this for anybody. I'll do this
for Tammy tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:26:44):
Ah. That the hat tip.

Speaker 1 (02:26:49):
Not everybody gets that. Tam. By the way, one of
my friends in town, look at this hat she got me.
She's like, I saw this and I had to get
it to you, Like, look at this hat. I gotta
figure out where this hat came from because I'd love
to add these to our store, Like look at that.

Speaker 7 (02:27:09):
Yeah, it's like Sasquatch is almost walking out of right
one dimension into our owners.

Speaker 1 (02:27:16):
Right mm hm mm hmmm mm hmm. So this lady
actually has a crush on you.

Speaker 7 (02:27:26):
Eh, Yeah, doesn't need to.

Speaker 3 (02:27:32):
We're together, so it's all good.

Speaker 9 (02:27:36):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:27:38):
I'm just trying to figure out how that happened. You're like,
you're like four foot two, yeah, with these giant steroid arms.

Speaker 3 (02:27:50):
Oh, I don't have steroid arms.

Speaker 1 (02:27:52):
But bad case of gout.

Speaker 6 (02:27:57):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (02:27:59):
What?

Speaker 3 (02:27:59):
What?

Speaker 1 (02:28:00):
Who?

Speaker 4 (02:28:00):
Go out?

Speaker 1 (02:28:01):
Huh? I don't know?

Speaker 3 (02:28:07):
No, So when are when are you? When are we
doing the based dot radio party?

Speaker 1 (02:28:13):
May twenty first, twenty fifth?

Speaker 3 (02:28:16):
Oh, I got to put that on the cant write.

Speaker 1 (02:28:18):
That down, Tammy write it down for him May twenty
first to twenty fifth in Las Vegas, somewhere. We don't
know where yet. We just know we're not allowing Merle
to choose the location. Oh, Merle's band, all right. See

(02:28:47):
look look what she puts up about me. He's amazing
that Dave Scott love him.

Speaker 3 (02:29:00):
Yeah, he's pretty special.

Speaker 1 (02:29:02):
Oh look at that her birthday. It's May twenty six,
mine's May twenty fourth. We're like two days apart, sister.
We're gonna celebrate our birthday together in Vegas and Lee
can squeeze both of our bums at the same time.

Speaker 3 (02:29:21):
Wof, that's a tall order, my friend.

Speaker 1 (02:29:27):
There's a lot of ass on my part, don't I remember.
If you ever get the chance to hang out with Lee.
You will notice that this type of conversation with him,
these little these little like alpha dude jabs, they don't stop.

(02:29:50):
It's amazing, it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:29:54):
Well we keep it kind of quiet for the radio.

Speaker 1 (02:29:56):
Yeah, we do the show. Got to tone it down
a little, all right, big thank you tonight to t
Bone with a hat Trick, Amy CS, Gary Kitty, Kaddy Whack,
the awesome cat Chaser, and newcomer Peruda. Really appreciate the
love and support tonight. Guys, thank you very very much.
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Final time tonight we got extra small. Lee Strauss. He

(02:31:35):
is from our YouTube channel where he broadcasts a nice
little show each and every Friday night before ours, called
Element one fifteen. He hosts it with Tim James when
Tim is feeding good because he not feeding good radio.
Not feeling good right now. But that's okay. Lee, Thank
you so much for being here.

Speaker 3 (02:31:54):
I wouldn't be anywhere else, Bud, What.

Speaker 1 (02:31:56):
If it was in Vegas with your girlfriend still, would
you still do this show?

Speaker 7 (02:32:03):
Maybe not? Not when Tammy's around. No, I'll probably have
to put the show on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (02:32:09):
That makes sense, yep.

Speaker 7 (02:32:17):
If I wanted to chat about something really quick, I
had something going on my mind most of the week,
and I was thinking about it most of the time.
When I've gone out to do investigations, yes, either Mount
Adams or Mount Baker or wherever it is, and I
set up all my equipment, I just I hit record

(02:32:40):
on my equipment right so I'm recording all the time.
When I first started doing this stuff, you know, fourteen thirteen,
fourteen years ago, I would my equipment be all set
up and I wouldn't turn on anything.

Speaker 3 (02:32:58):
I would just sit and wait.

Speaker 7 (02:33:01):
And then if the hebgb's started getting a hold of me,
I knew that to turn on my equipment.

Speaker 3 (02:33:06):
Because they were going to show up, right. So I told.

Speaker 7 (02:33:14):
Myself, you know, I need to go back to that
methodology and just wait for basically the tell to let
me know to turn on my equipment.

Speaker 3 (02:33:25):
There has been so many times when I have so much.

Speaker 7 (02:33:28):
Footage recorded that it takes me forever to review it all,
and it's gotten kind of ridiculous with the.

Speaker 3 (02:33:39):
Amount of equipment that I have.

Speaker 7 (02:33:43):
So I think next time I go out, I'm going
to just do what I used to do and wait
for the tell.

Speaker 3 (02:33:51):
Before I turn anything on.

Speaker 1 (02:33:57):
Don't you find that you need to have like a
after an investigation, have a mental break, Yeah, because you
have to kind of process everything that happened, didn't happen,
What did you see, what did you not see? What
was weird, what wasn't weird.

Speaker 7 (02:34:16):
Yeah, it'll wear you out pretty good, and it does
me and it's not just the fact that I stip
till three in the morning.

Speaker 3 (02:34:23):
It's the fact.

Speaker 7 (02:34:24):
It's the fact that you're being observant, you know, of
an area for that long of a time, you know,
maybe six seven hours of the day and into the night,
and it's just a lot. It's a lot of concentration.
But it's not just that. It's the fact that if

(02:34:46):
something does show up, it's it is exciting, sure it is,
but it's also very consuming.

Speaker 3 (02:34:57):
It consumes a lot of your energy.

Speaker 1 (02:35:01):
Why do you think for people who may not know
or understand that when you're out in the field investigating
whether it's paranormal, whether it's UFOs, whether it's cryptids, that
there is something about being in those environments that seems
to drain you energetically. Now, a lot of people will say, oh, well,

(02:35:25):
if you're outdoors and you're and you're in the forest,
you know, nature kind of takes the stress away from
you and therefore it makes you feel tired. Or if
you're staring up the sky just enjoying a relaxing night,
it's a relaxation that kind of makes you a little
bit more tired. But it seems to be a little

(02:35:45):
bit different when it comes to the paranormal supernatural that
you almost get these hangovers that are that are really
you know, pushing the threads. I know when I was
when I would do the museum at the and do
the tour at the museum, and you were there, you
understand what it's like there. You know here we have

(02:36:08):
you know, the next day you almost feel like you
drank a case of beer the night before. You feel hungover.
You feel your body is sore, your neck is sore,
your arms are sore, your shoulders are sore, your legs
are tired. They don't want to move, your tripping all
over yourself at times, depending on what it's how much
you're affected by it, I mean, it really does feel

(02:36:31):
like a hangover.

Speaker 3 (02:36:35):
It does.

Speaker 7 (02:36:36):
And I think you know, when you're looking at or
in a place where the paranormals active like it is
in that location, I think they draw on you and
their energy that you have to siphon that off and
use that for themselves in a way, maybe for manifestation,

(02:36:57):
maybe for EVPs or whatever that is, right, whatever they're.

Speaker 3 (02:37:01):
Using it for, but they are they're drawing it from you.

Speaker 7 (02:37:03):
You may not know it at the time, but like
you said, you're going to feel it the next day,
and that's just it seems to be part of it.
But even when you're doing like out in the woods
looking for sasquatch, that is extremely draining as well, especially
if you're setting up equipment and then you're got a

(02:37:25):
heavy backpack on and you're trudging through the woods and
you're looking at every little thing. I mean, you're super observant.
You're much more than you would be normally because you're
looking for identifying signs of sasquatch in the area. And
who knows, when you've opened yourself up like we have,
like the people here that watch your show and other

(02:37:47):
people that are interested in the paranormal, when you're out
there investigating, you're opening yourself up to who knows what
That will draw, you know, and they'll just draw from
you because you're open in that state.

Speaker 1 (02:38:06):
I would agree with you there. I would agree to
that openness. And would you also say it's it's a
heightened sense of your own abilities that tire you out
because when you're put in that environment ghosts, cryptids, UFOs,
When you're putting that environment, you're opening up yourself to

(02:38:29):
the phenomena, like you said, and I believe the phenomena
drains that I believe, And like I said, it doesn't
have to be a ghost. There's not a little ghost
sitting on your shoulder saying, Okay, he's opening up, guys,
let's steal this energy. Let's steal all the juju he
has for the Knight's efforts. It's not like that at all,

(02:38:51):
But there seems to be this unmanned force that comes
in and says, Okay, this person is connected to us,
We're connected to him. You know, he's not going to
be able to handle what we're getting into tonight, so
let's make him feel hungover.

Speaker 3 (02:39:10):
Yeah, I mean, just we're talking about when I was
up there with you and Tim.

Speaker 7 (02:39:17):
And Merle and that flight twenty one. I mean, that
place sucks it out of you. You can tell. You
can tell when you're there that you're getting drained.

Speaker 1 (02:39:29):
You were sleepy there, oh boy, yeah, that you know.

Speaker 7 (02:39:34):
And there's been plenty of times, Dave, where I've been
out and investigating and felt like I just had to
lay down right. And I don't know if there's something
going on, some outside force that's affecting me or other
people but sometimes you feel like you just want to
lay down and sleep. Oh, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (02:39:54):
Which reminds me I want to quickly do this before
we move on to share something here. It's officially been
announced that my area at the Heritage Site we'll be
holding twenty twenty six Caribou Con September eighteenth through twentieth.

(02:40:16):
We're going to be talking about ghosts. We're going to
be talking about UFOs, the stars, sasquatch, paranormal weekend. Lee.
You're going to be up here for that, And that's
why I wanted to put it up is because you
are going to be here ready and willing to take
people on a SkyWatch. You're going to be a part
of the ghost hunting teams, taking people on tours and

(02:40:39):
everything like that. How exciting is that?

Speaker 7 (02:40:41):
Man, It's super exciting whenever we can get a group
of people that have, you know, abilities and all these
different modalities. I guess you know you're talking about Bigfoot,
you're talking about UFOs.

Speaker 3 (02:40:58):
And aliens and the paranormal. We can learn from each other.

Speaker 7 (02:41:02):
It's how much did I learn from Merle when I
was up there? Holy cow, it's just an opportunity you
don't want to miss.

Speaker 3 (02:41:10):
That's for darn.

Speaker 7 (02:41:11):
Sure, because, like I said, because of the things that
you can learn from everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:41:17):
Now, I know the group putting this together is going
to be putting tickets up for sale here probably within
the next month. They'll have their website up at everything.
I'm helping book the guests for this event. I know
Lee is going to be there, Murle is going to
be there from the Paranormal road Trippers, and I believe
Samantha Mode is going to come up. Brett Thomas is

(02:41:40):
going to come up. We're going to try and get
Grant Cameron up here and a few other people from British,
Columbia and Washington State coming up to take part in
this wonderful event. And it is open to the public
September eighteenth to twentieth, twenty twenty six at the one
oh eight mile Heritage Site. And you're going to be

(02:42:00):
to hang on out with us. So we definitely want
to see all the spaced out radio listeners. If you're
looking for a great weekend to get away next year,
looking for a little bit of a road trip, because
it is a road trip, Lee, it is.

Speaker 3 (02:42:12):
A road trip and a beautiful one at.

Speaker 1 (02:42:15):
That beautiful one at that that we are going to
be putting this together and making sure that all of
you guys are out there. You guys have asked for it.

Speaker 2 (02:42:25):
Dave.

Speaker 1 (02:42:25):
When are you going to put an event on in
the in your area? When can we see the heritage site?
When can we go out look for Bakefoot or look
for for UFOs in your area? Well, it's I'm telling
you to put your money where your mouth is. That's
what I'm doing. You wanted it, I'm helping create it,

(02:42:46):
and we're going to have a good time and you're
going to see a lot of spaced out radio people
there that you were familiar with. I'm going to try
and get our Keith Andrews up here too.

Speaker 3 (02:42:54):
Oh that would be cool.

Speaker 1 (02:42:55):
Yeah, I think our Keith needs to be on that list.
I really do.

Speaker 3 (02:43:01):
Yeah, I agree with that. That would be fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:43:04):
I'd like to see him channel some of these ghosts
and aliens around us. Man, that would be really.

Speaker 7 (02:43:11):
Creepy, pretty intense, especially you know if we have our
a quick skywatching equipment all set up, you know, looking
at the sky, and then he's then he starts bringing
something in that would be fantastic.

Speaker 3 (02:43:24):
I would be in awe.

Speaker 1 (02:43:27):
And you know, I may go one step further with this, Lee,
I may go one step further. For every spaced out
radio listener that shows up, we may have a private
get together just to spaced out radio people. We may
do that.

Speaker 3 (02:43:47):
That sounds like a really cool idea.

Speaker 1 (02:43:49):
Yeah, we'll find a place to hang out. I will
just go hang out for a little bit. But yes,
extra small, Lee Strauss will be at the Caribou Kan
twenty twenty sixth September eighteenth through twentieth. How exciting is that, Lee,
I wanted to show you that.

Speaker 3 (02:44:09):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 7 (02:44:11):
That's awesome that you've already made that up and or
somebody has made it up anyway, But that's great. You
know what I'd really like to do, Dave, is I
want to come up and I want to spend the
night up there at.

Speaker 3 (02:44:22):
Flight twenty one.

Speaker 1 (02:44:26):
We can do that, man, I don't know why you
want to give yourself a death wish like that, but
we can do that. You know what, Hold on a
second here, I'm calling you out on something here, because
when you were up there at the weirdness started at
the close encounters started. You actually stated there was no

(02:44:48):
way you would spend the night up here.

Speaker 3 (02:44:51):
By myself.

Speaker 7 (02:44:52):
I preface that with by myself.

Speaker 1 (02:45:00):
I'm not cuddling you up there, buddy, I'm not. I
tell you what I know. Tim James has stated he
will bring his trailer up to close as close as
we could get it. I would stay in that trailer,
not a problem. But staying up there again overnight with
the activity that Tim and I have created now not

(02:45:23):
a hope. I don't need bigfoot tickling my feet in
the middle of the night.

Speaker 3 (02:45:28):
You don't need to stay right where we were.

Speaker 7 (02:45:30):
You can go out to that more main road that
you know we were talking about setting the trailer up
and camp there.

Speaker 1 (02:45:39):
I would do that there, would totally do that. I
have a feeling about that though, and I said this
to Tim with the communication and connection, because where the
camping spot is up there is approximately four kilometers are
about two point six miles from the flight twenty one

(02:46:00):
one location. As the bird flies, as the crow flies,
and I think that if we stirred up there one
night in a good way, peaceful way, I think they'll
follow us to the campsite. I really do.

Speaker 7 (02:46:17):
Even better, they're gonna hear us talking and carrying on
and having a good time.

Speaker 1 (02:46:24):
Yeah, I do too. Quick question from Poncho here trying
to find on Caribou Con. Nothing coming up. The website
is being built right now and tickets are not on
sale yet. We will announce when it's happening. We just
the group that's putting it together has set the date
on it, and I've been asked to help bring in
the guests, which I'm going to of course. I'm going

(02:46:47):
to bring in the really good people, really really good speakers.
There's a couple I need to talk to yet, and
then once we get that, we will start having an
announcement for everybody to come on up and make things
happen for the Caribou Kan twenty twenty sixth September eighteenth
to twentieth. It'll be good.

Speaker 3 (02:47:08):
I think it'll be a fantastic thing.

Speaker 7 (02:47:10):
So you're actually, do you have a hall at the
heritage site where you can Yeah, everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:47:16):
So this is where it gets a little cool, is
our community has a big hall. I showed you the
hall when you were there, when you were up here.

Speaker 3 (02:47:28):
I'm just trying to remember.

Speaker 1 (02:47:30):
Yeah, I'll tell you later where it is okay. But
we're going to hold the event at the hall, the
speaking event, and then after the speaking event, then we're
all going to congregate at the at the heritage site.
So on the Friday night it will be a VIP
get together. As I read the notes here, it'll be

(02:47:51):
a VIP get together on the Friday night for those
who bought VIP tickets to have a private ghost tour
with all of the speakers or a sky watch with Lee.
Saturday night. You can either take in the SkyWatch after
the speakers, or you could take in another ghost tour,
or for ten lucky people, just ten, I will take

(02:48:15):
them out to one of our Sasquatch sites, not Flight twenty.

Speaker 3 (02:48:19):
One, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:48:22):
Caribou Kan is located at one toh eight Mile Ranch,
British Columbia, in the Caribou Region. That's why it's Caribou Kan, right.
And so after that on the Sunday, we wrap up
the speakers. If you want to hang out for a bit,
you can, or if you want to head home you can.

(02:48:43):
That's the way it is. All the speakers are going
to stay till Monday and we're gonna have a good
party that Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (02:48:53):
That's the way it should be, my friend.

Speaker 7 (02:48:55):
So that other sasquatch area that you're talking about, would
that be the the area where.

Speaker 1 (02:49:01):
That's the area where we found the footprint. Yeah, the
sunken in footprint, which was really awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:49:10):
Indeed, you liked that area, it was good.

Speaker 7 (02:49:14):
Yeah, definitely. Uh something about that area. It's not like
Flight twenty one, but it's different.

Speaker 1 (02:49:29):
That area is very open, it is. It has a
bunch of different traffic ways which you look for in
the animal world. Like we saw all sorts of prints
from deer and moose and wolves, coyotes, bears, all sorts
of prints. It's like a highway through there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:49:48):
Yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 7 (02:49:51):
And there's so many different little ponds and areas around there.

Speaker 3 (02:49:55):
And then you got the wild horses all over the place.

Speaker 9 (02:49:59):
As well.

Speaker 1 (02:50:00):
Lee was so excited when I showed up the wild
horses up here that he actually got out of his vehicle.
I'm not gonna lie ly. I took some sexy pictures
of you with the wild you.

Speaker 3 (02:50:11):
Did, and I still haven't gone through them.

Speaker 1 (02:50:13):
You need to put those up because those are sexy pictures.
He's actually posing people very modelesque. Lee Strauss is.

Speaker 7 (02:50:27):
M okay, I just have to I know they're here
in the in in some of this data that I've
got sitting on my desk, but some of this, some
of these cards.

Speaker 1 (02:50:38):
So I hear you. We got about about a minute
and a half left.

Speaker 6 (02:50:43):
Lee.

Speaker 1 (02:50:44):
You know there's a lot of UFO talk coming up,
uh that we could see more happening here, very very soon,
more people coming out. Do you see that happening or
do you think they're going to shut it down for
the rest of the year and wait to see what
happens with the Schumer Rounds bill.

Speaker 7 (02:51:01):
Well, yeah, I mean obviously that that's a big deal.
But just like before, I think it's going to get
shot down. There's no way it's going to pass. I mean,
it's going to be uh. I mean, look what else
is going on. We've got all these these comments coming
into the solar system right now. I think I think

(02:51:24):
there's just so much happening at the moment that that
will just be another piece of tissue paper basically. That's
I don't think that's going to pass, my friend, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:51:39):
If it will. I don't know. There's already starting to
be backlash towards it. And backlash towards what Congress is
doing and they feel that it's going to affect. Here's
those two words again, national security. It's all about national security,
my man.

Speaker 3 (02:52:00):
That's another buzzword like UAP.

Speaker 1 (02:52:05):
And transparency. Lee. Thank you Lee Strauss from Element one
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