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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering the nineteen ninety movie Predator two.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, welcome to space Scene Out.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Baby and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Predator franchise. One entry at the times spoiler free, and
we're going to be doing a whole series leading up
to the release of Predator bad Lands, which as far
as we know, is coming out November seventh, twenty twenty five.
We're recording this in June, so it might change before
we get there, but that's what we know so far.
(00:38):
All these movies are available to stream on Hulu. Can
I imagine that's where they're going to stay for a while,
And if you're not in the US, it's probably on
Disney Plus. And we're going to have a spoiler section
at the end of the podcast, so if you haven't
seen all the film then you want to be spoiled
on them, you'll want to skip that section because we
will talk about some future entries in the franchise all right.
(00:59):
In this film, in the record hot summer of nineteen
ninety seven, a different Predator arrives in Los Angeles and
hunts violent gang members drawing the attention of the local
police force, specifically the Lieutenant Harrigan, who pursues the creature
as it rampages through the city. The creature itself is
a turn being hunted by Secretive Government Task Force OWLF,
(01:20):
led by CIA agent Peter Keys, which which is to
capture it for study.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Five check Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stend the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
This movie was hard to watch. There were moments where
I was like, oh wow, okay, the storyline and you know,
some action, and then it just like petered off.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Why'm not a tangent? I just couldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I couldn't stay engaged long enough to care.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, this is not a movie I'd planned to ever
watch again. I've seen it once before, didn't remember a
lot of it. But I think that was okay. Comparing
it to the First Predator, it sucks.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Even the First Predator, I mean, that's not my favorite film,
but damn, this one sucks.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Interesting. I kind of thought it was a little more
interesting than the first one.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh well, I guess it is, like the storyline is
more interesting, but that doesn't mean the movie is more
interesting to me. To me, where it was just like
Man Versus like Predator was really since that could have
done better. I don't know neither one of my favorite
honestly don't. I don't know why we're doing this. Sometimes
(02:37):
I'm waiting for Alien Versus Predator where I live where
I recognize something and I can feel grounded in some
sort of other reality because I don't know it. We'll
discuss it later. But yeah, it's just this franchise so
far isn't grabbing me the way that Alien did.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, these have not been strong showings for me either.
I thought I'd be a little more entertained by these
movies than I have, and I was mostly wanting to
do these for the Alien Versus Predator crossover. And then,
as we've said before, we really liked movie Prey so well.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Who were waiting for the two thousands?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Hit, Okay, what else you got? So the vibe check?
It didn't pass the vibe check. I don't think, not
so much.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Trivia time. Let's hear a little information about Predator.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Too, all right? This was Predator Too, which released on
November twenty one, nineteen ninety written by Jim and John Thomas,
directed by Stephen Hopkins, so writers Sim and John they
returned from the first film, Twentieth Century Fox approached him
for a sequel, and they pitched six ideas six yeah,
including putting the creature in an urban jungle, which a
(03:54):
studio liked. Arnold Schwarzenegger declined to return for the sequel
over a salary dispute.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Patrick Swayzee and Steven Seagal were considered for the role
of Harrigan before Danny Glover and a number of lethal
weapon actors were brought in. Given that the Alien franchise
is also owned by Fox, with effects work by Stan Winston.
The crew added a xenomorphe head among the trophy skulls
and the predatorship.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I did notice that.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And then although this was released in nineteen ninety Predator
two was set in nineteen ninety seven, which leads to
some developments like new video technology and a non existent
subway in Los Angeles. And then the set design also
features some boxy colorless cars.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Didn't notice them, you mean they put cyber trucks in
this movie?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yep. Lpdia Carreo reprises her role as Anna Consolves from
the first film. In a cameo appearance, she aids the
government agents and the videotape showing the devastating after effects
of the first Predator's self destruct device. So she was
on the when they had the wall of videos, greens
(05:00):
and the old trailer. She was on there, and like,
you just see her for a second. It sucks such
a small cameo. But she did film an additional scene
which she talked to the camera and describes the events
of the first film, but this whole scene was cut.
That's really the only bridge for the first movie. The
MPAA initially gave Predator to an NC seventeen rating, so
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several cuts were made to bring it down to an
R rating. The film made fifty seven million dollars against
the budget of somewhere between twenty and thirty million, the
lowest grossing Predator movie to date in nineteen ninety. The
film's reviews were generally negative. The reviewers were generally impressed
by the casting of Danny Glover as an action hero.
Robert Ebert said that the creature's design had racist undertones,
(05:42):
where subliminal clues encourage us to subconsciously connect the minutes
with blackmails and then. Several retrospective reviews have considered the
film underrated. It was a gain a cult following, with
a particular praise for Danny Glover's performance, the direction, and
the musical score, but the critical and financial disappointment caused
Fox the whole off on continuing the franchise, and the
(06:03):
next time The Predator was on the big screen was
in two thousand and four for Alien Versus Predator, and
I believe the next proper sequel was until twenty ten,
so about twenty years.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's rough.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the movie. You can share your thoughts with us
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on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
The score was good, I will agree with that. Comparing
it from the original score in the first film, it's like, oh, yeah,
that's so much better. That first film's score was like
watching a nineteen forties Common Jerry episode. It's like, oh,
I'm hunting a squooy rabbit. But I think Robert Ebert
(06:51):
is correct with racial like depictions of like the dreads,
even like the fishnets. In the nineties, a lot of
men were wearing like those types of like tanks.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, and so like. Some of that was there in
the first movie, but then I feel like they made
even more so and they really really wait for that
more like urban look for the Predator as well.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And then to show it juxtapositioned by the Jamaican characters
who also have the locks and the long you know hair,
and the ritualistic nature of their like enterprise made it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't know what the connection between Jamaica and voodoo
is because from my understanding, voodoo is a practice from
like Africa. Am I wrong? But where's voodoo from? It's
something and like to me, I associated with New Orleans
if anything like a creole this.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, West African roots developed through the Atlantic slave trade
and the subsequent mixing of African traditions with Roman Catholicism
in the America's, particularly in Haiti and New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I don't associate Jamaica with voodoo, so that like
Haiti is not Jamaica, y'all. Also, what the heck are
that many Jamaicans doing in la If you know anything
about like Jamaican immigration in the United States, they're all
in New York. Like the Jamaican presence in the Americas
(08:35):
is mostly in the in the city of New York.
So to put Jamaicans in and Colombians in California.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Is weird that I did look up I was watching
the movie, and I guess it is like one of
the bigger populations of Jamaicans after like New York and Chicago.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, that's third place. I don't know. When I think
of LA, I think of like people who are native
to LA, the people who migrated after the Civil War
to California during the gold Rush, like people who have
been there for like generations and who have been pushed
(09:18):
out by gentrification. I'm thinking of Compton and Inglewood. Those
people are like American citizens, not like Jamaican immigrants. That's
what I think of When I think of the black
population in LA, I think about like the people who
have been there for generations. So it's just weird that
they're kind of like highlighting immigrant groups too, and especially
(09:43):
as drug dealers, like you can see that in the
nineteen nineties was definitely already like villainizing immigrants in that
way and people of color.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, this movie is it's full of like stereotyping and
just exaggerating and not flushing out any of these characters
beyond these stereotypes.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, and then let's talk about the depiction of women.
We only saw two women depicted in this film. One
of them was nude throughout the whole time, and then
the other one maybe had five lines and she was pregnant,
a pregnant Mexican girl. What. I don't know. It was weird.
(10:28):
I didn't like it. I was like, I think in
the first film at least they did a little bit
better with the depiction of a woman because they made
her like strong and kind of like she was more
autonomous somehow. I think they kind of tried to do
that with a police officer one, but she just wasn't
flushed out. She just Latina with a gun.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, just part of the team.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And then maybe we're continuing your theory that the predator
is a woman.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Because another woman. Women are spared in this universe unless
they're carrying guns in the subway. Also, And that's one
thing that's kind of funny to me because I don't
know if you if anybody's ever been to La but
not everybody carries a gun. Not a lot of people
(11:19):
carry guns like that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, Well, I think that's part of the.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Like dystopian future they were imagining.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, this seven years in the future, they're imagining that
all this gang warfare has escalated.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And but the thing is, like the violence in LA
wasn't due to gang violence. It was due to police
brutality and due to racial injustice, not gang wars and
drug money like that had nothing to do with it.
So it's a gross misinterpretation of the actual happenings of
(11:52):
what happen of like LA in the nineteen nineties. Like
it was, it was a lot of like racial tension,
and I mean it's still happening today. It's still happening.
There's still like a tension between you know, police presence
and and them targeting black and brown communities. So I
(12:18):
don't know, it's just you can tell a bunch of
white guys made this and they were probably looking out
their window at LA and thinking, oh my gosh, wouldn't
it be cool if we made a movie about all
these brown people and we don't ever invite them into
the writing room. And then like Danny Glover's character is
(12:38):
like a cop who uses excessive force and is stubborn
and all this stuff, and you're like, that guy's kind
of a dick, right, Like if you met him as
a pedestrian, you'd be like, oh, that guy's an asshole,
Like his body cam footage would have like indicted him
in a criminal court by now.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, so yeah, so'm moving on. So obviously like all
the all the racial stuff is enough to be like,
I'm not going to be like a defender of this movie.
Mm hmm, even if you can find good stuff in it.
There's also this like kind of cop drama going on,
and I think it feels pretty cliche with you know.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
The Feds versus the local cop.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, the Feds versus the local cop. The one cop
that kind of is like going rogue and the captain's
fist at him, and yeah, just all that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And then and then we never find out about Danny
Glover's personal life. We never see him go home, we
never see him do anything. He lives out of his car,
it seems.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, I mean, he never does anything in this movie
except for pursue who he believes would be the killer.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
An invisible man.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, there's never an indication that he's has any other relationships, family,
anything in his life.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Nothing that's important to him outside of the precinct.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
No, he was born in that that's his whole life.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, it was unfortunate. I like that they established that
he's afraid of heights, but then it's like he got
over it immediately.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah. Yeah, that was a stretch because he's afraid of heights,
as he indicates early in the movie. Then he's not
climbing down that pipe. No, just go pick the stairs, dude. Yeah,
you want to go down the elevator shafting, there's another
way down.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah. It was a lot of suspended, of suspension of
disheit belief, you know, where you just kind of have
to ride along with them and like, oh, yeah, they
have suits that you can't tell a heat signature from,
and sure we have all these cameras and equipment, and
the graphics are so lame when all the other when
(14:50):
he killed the predator and then all the other predators
showed up and they were like unmasking or whatever. They
cut off their feet because because of the fog, and
they didn't blend it in right. It was so bad,
And I'm like, they spent so much money on the
effects that they didn't even pay attention to the little details.
(15:10):
They could have cleared the fog by the time they
showed up, or just not had such a wide shot. Yeah, yeah,
it was crazy. I don't know. This movie just disappointed
me in a lot of ways, and it made me
bored a lot. Like I was just bored. I don't
care for cop dramas. It's not something I watch unless
there's like true characters in them. I think Danny Glover
(15:32):
didn't have anybody to play off of, and I think
that's where he really shines. Like in Lethal Weapon, he's
up against like you know that fucking anti semi oh
Mel Gibson. Yeah, that's it. Uh yeah, and it works
right because he's like the old haggard cop and the
(15:53):
young gun who's like shooting from the hip and learning
along the way. I feel like there's shit have been
somebody to counterbalance him, and I think they kind of
tried that with his partner that he that got killed,
but they didn't establish anything that felt solid, you know. Yeah,
Like they killed that guy right away. They didn't let
(16:15):
him like have a relationship. They're like, why was he
so messed up about it? And he's like, I'll meet
you later, dude, not come with me, brother, we're doing
this together. He was also meeting everybody later. He's like,
I'll get with you later, I'll get with you later.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I'll call you later.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, And then they could have had a moment that
was funny as fuck when he got out of the
car from from the with the Jamaicans. He could have
been acting a little funny, a little more like with
like not as uptight or something. And they didn't do it.
They all the the one line He's like, think you
(16:51):
guys are overdoing it or that's a little overkilled or whenever,
and I'm like that sucked. Yeah, that's like the only
character trait that those Wamaicans. Yes, they smoked, Yeah, they smoked,
and they do voodoo.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And voodoo, by the way, I was looking up earlier,
Jamaicans have a practice called obia is sometimes compared the voodoo,
but it's a very distinct thing.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So yeah, see, I was like, no, because when I
think of voodoo, I think of like creole, like Haitian creole,
like New Orleans and Haiti. Uh, that's where it originated.
And I'm like that ain't right, Like I'm like, why
are Jamaicans doing voodoo? It confused me. I also was like,
(17:34):
why are there so many Jamaicans in La? Like I've
been to La a couple of times and I haven't
seen any like huge pockets of Jamaicans like that. And
maybe I'm not looking.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
A lot happened in this alternate timeline to okay, change
the demographics and the religious practices people.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So it just turned La into New York too. Because subway,
oh my god, that subway.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
They also like they were making their guns look a
little different. They had little attachments to them and stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, I want to talk about Danny Glover's pants. Now
it's one hundred and eight degrees and the man is
wearing wool tweet.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, they went through all this effort to like make
everyone real sweaty and sweat and through their suits and stuff.
But like no one gets down to a T shirt
or anything.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
No, no one's wearing a T shirt. No one's wearing
like they look sweaty. But they're like wearing a suit
jacket to the to the like to their jobs and stuff.
And no one's wearing linen or something light. And I mean,
I don't know if it's a new world, if it's new,
if it's like this imagined place, why wouldn't it look
(18:42):
like Miami Lyn, give me some Miami in La with
the with the white suits. You know, a little color
would have been fun.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It was very grab and especially since they I guess
he's still they don't like relieve him a duty or anything,
but like they pull him off that case. If you'd
think he would go into a cat but it's he
only owns was work clothes.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He only wears that. That's his only sweet outfit. Oh
my god. And yeah, there was also a lot of
Danny Glover butt just random butt shots. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
This was a very it's like loud and chaotic movie
for a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, it was just like and then Gary Busey and
his teeth showed up, and I'm like, oh great, Gary Beaucy.
Why was he so popular in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I think he just had like a face that made
a good bad guy.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, but he wasn't even a good bad guy in this.
He was just a fed Yeah, Like what it would
have been cool if he's like, yeah, let him destroy everything,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't care how
many bodies it takes. I thought it was weird that
he was part of the crew that went out with
the flashlights and not in the back watching because that
(19:55):
like he's in a command position. Why wouldn't he be
in a command position. Yeah, that was weird. That was
a weird choice.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And they're gonna sit here and watch little triangles on
the screen.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And I'm pretty sure the guys in there survived because
the predator didn't go after them.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I don't know. They didn't really show us. They
just showed their.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, and that's it, and that was But yeah, the
guys watching, the guys who were like protecting Busy were
just in that trailer the whole time. They're probably still
in that trailer. Meanwhile, Gary Busey gets chopped in half
with all the beef. Those beefs also looked so fake.
Oh my god, they looked so fake. Couldn't they spray
(20:37):
them down with something to make them at least look
we what.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
The fuck they were drying them out?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
They should have called Rocky and have been like, hey, dude,
what do you use or they could have rented some meat.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't know, like, and someone's in for a big
surprise when they go to open the butcher's shop in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, for real, Gary Busey cut in half.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Also, when they were at the beginning of the movie,
it starts chaotic as fuck with Colombians versus cops, and
there's two motorcycle cops stuck in the middle of the firefight,
and Danny Glover puts police vests on his car on
(21:21):
the windows and then rolls up and lets them drag
them in. And then the Colombians run into their little warehouse,
snort all the cocaine they can and start gearing up,
and they get killed by the predator. But then the
cops are like, oh, we need to go up there,
and they go up there, and that warehouse is also
a sweatshop. What the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
What the multi purpose building.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's so random? And the same floor too. It's not
even like we got the wrong floor. Nah, it's just
the room next door. You know, a sweatshop requires a
lot of room, right.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Like printed that one office. Yeah, it's a small sweatshop operation.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Whenever the predator speaks, it just feels so out of place.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I wish they would let him speak more and understand,
and like, I feel like I want the predator to, like,
if they're gonna humanize him, humanize him in a way
where I can understand why he's Like. After Danny Glummer specifically,
because I feel like I understand it a little when
he was like being heroic at that firefight. But then like,
(22:37):
is that it because there were other people who were heroic?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I guess, so like it, I guess what we're supposed
to piece together that the predator shows up to la,
I'm guessing of the heat wave.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It's hot, this is a down girl.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's hot, yeah, and like identifies all this fighting and
who the leaders are, so it's going after who it
leaves to be like the toughest.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, but can you like camouflage yourself and use like
ultraviolet vision and like, are you really that's not a
fair fight doing what? Like are you really hunting? And
I guess that's how humans hunt too. Less intelligent creatures
have no chance at putting up a fight. That's why
(23:22):
I personally really respect people who hunt with bow and arrows,
and not those souped up arrows either, though, you know
those bows that have like twenty strings on them and
all that. Nah, I want like a regular bow and
arrow that you carved yourself. Those that I respect that
type of hunter, But like the people who hunt with
(23:44):
guns and shit, I'm like, how is that sport. You know,
how was that fun for you to like kill a
defenseless creature that doesn't even know how to fight back
or protect itself against bullets?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yep, So yeah, I think invisibility is why is this
even like a sport for you?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
M m Yeah. He just walks up to them and
like jumps into the middle of a ring and takes
them all out. How is that fun? Other than the
element of surprise, I guess I don't know. It's an
interesting show. I feel like if a real Hunter did
write this, it would be different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, And it's also like we're kind of watching these
characters like slowly put together like what they're up against,
when like this is the second movie, so we all
kind of know what it is. And then so yeah,
like you were saying, it'd be more interesting if it
were more of a buddy cop thing where we got
to like experience the lives of these characters a little
(24:44):
bit and then like see their world get upturn.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, Like, show me the lead up to the gang fights.
Don't just drop me in in the middle of a
fucking shootout. Show me their every day, normal lives and
then all of a sudden, the gang will start and
it could be like the preditor instigates it, you know,
and that would be really interesting if the predator started
the gang war. And I really wish I don't know why,
(25:08):
but I really love when movies make the city part
of the movie, you know, like a like a character
in the film. And I really wish they would have
done that because La is such a unique city in
the way that it's laid out, in the way that
the people interact in the traffic like stuff like that.
But because they said it like seven years in the future,
(25:31):
they threw that away. They turned it into New York
and that was so fucking weird.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, I don't know why. Why did they choose to
do La and add a subway as opposed to doing
New York or DC or somewhere that has a subway system.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I feel like it would
have been cool. Like I hope that in the future
they can make the place part of the film in
a way that's like impactful, because this could have been
any city US in the abysmal future, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yep, I don't know. Yeah, Bill Paxson was really annoying.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't even know which one he is, but I've
heard of him before.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
He was the new guy that transferred in and kept
making all those like really loud jokes and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Was he the one that they called like Sonny boy
or something, the young cop that was like always trying
to hang out and who was like hitting on that
woman who's like, I gotta go dot real police work.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, out and then he dies in the subway scene.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, okay, he dies in the dark, which is choices.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, and that golf ball because he like briefly mentioned
golf in it's first scenes. It's like, that's not character work.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No astoral queen. Who was the standout character in the film,
Danny Glover.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I don't know why you would pick anyone else. You
like the Predator.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, and even the Predator and this one sucked. He's
kind of dick.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
It's also like multiple times they do the fake out
where it's like the Predator is dead, like you know
it's not gonna be dead. Yeah, but yeah, I mean
it's got to be Danny Lover. Yeah. All right, So
that wraps up the main part of our podcast here,
and we're gonna do a quick spoiler section, So if
you don't want to know anything about any of the
future entries the series, you can stuck out now otherwise
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we're going to spoil some things. But the next episode
will be Alien versus Predator woo, so we will see
how the crossover goes.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Who are you rooting for? I'm moving for Alien.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, I can make it interesting. I gotta be team Predator. Oh,
let's put our living stereo stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Race for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't watched the
whole franchise, now maybe the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Facingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on social media, share your thoughts and be
a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four three
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two one.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
First of all, like the first movie, no one from
this movie carries over to the future entries. No more
Danny Glover. So during the finale from the Elder, Predator
hands Danny Glover the gun. Dating from seventeen fifteen, Jim
and John Thomas had conceived an idea for a possible
Predator movie which would have taken place in the past
where there were no modern weapons available to combat them.
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And of course later we get the movie prey to
the prequel film, and this pistol appears in that movie, oh,
which I really don't remember that, so I am curious
to see that come up. Yeah, yeah, seventeen hundreds. But
I really didn't have anything else for the spoilers.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, I haven't seen Alien Versus Predator or else. I
tell you who won. That's I love spoiling things.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I've seen it, But like pretty much all these movies,
I don't really remember remember much about it. I think
the Pyramids the geezare in it. Oh and yeah, that's all.
And then I remember the sequel to it being a
pretty bad movie. Oh no, Aliens Versus Predators. But then
twenty ten's Predators, I think that was actually decent movie.
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That tof Grace and Danny Trey ho oh, some other
things people don't remember offhand.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
But okay, all right, let's wrap it up.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
That wraps it up. So thank you for spacing out
with us.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And that's what's like a notable quote from this movie.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Surprise motherfucker? Is that one?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't know, I don't know that was it? Your
one ugly motherfucker? That's it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Thank you for spacing out with Phoebe and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time, we will cover the two
thousand and four film Alien Versus Predator. We hope you
will join us, Hey,
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering the nineteen ninety movie Predator two.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, welcome to space Scene Out.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Baby and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Predator franchise. One entry at the times spoiler free, and
we're going to be doing a whole series leading up
to the release of Predator bad Lands, which as far
as we know, is coming out November seventh, twenty twenty five.
We're recording this in June, so it might change before
we get there, but that's what we know so far.
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All these movies are available to stream on Hulu. Can
I imagine that's where they're going to stay for a while,
And if you're not in the US, it's probably on
Disney Plus. And we're going to have a spoiler section
at the end of the podcast, so if you haven't
seen all the film then you want to be spoiled
on them, you'll want to skip that section because we
will talk about some future entries in the franchise all right.
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In this film, in the record hot summer of nineteen
ninety seven, a different Predator arrives in Los Angeles and
hunts violent gang members drawing the attention of the local
police force, specifically the Lieutenant Harrigan, who pursues the creature
as it rampages through the city. The creature itself is
a turn being hunted by Secretive Government Task Force OWLF,
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led by CIA agent Peter Keys, which which is to
capture it for study.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Five check Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stend the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
This movie was hard to watch. There were moments where
I was like, oh wow, okay, the storyline and you know,
some action, and then it just like petered off.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Why'm not a tangent? I just couldn't.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I couldn't stay engaged long enough to care.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, this is not a movie I'd planned to ever
watch again. I've seen it once before, didn't remember a
lot of it. But I think that was okay. Comparing
it to the First Predator, it sucks.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Even the First Predator, I mean, that's not my favorite film,
but damn, this one sucks.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Interesting. I kind of thought it was a little more
interesting than the first one.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh well, I guess it is, like the storyline is
more interesting, but that doesn't mean the movie is more
interesting to me. To me, where it was just like
Man Versus like Predator was really since that could have
done better. I don't know neither one of my favorite
honestly don't. I don't know why we're doing this. Sometimes
(02:37):
I'm waiting for Alien Versus Predator where I live where
I recognize something and I can feel grounded in some
sort of other reality because I don't know it. We'll
discuss it later. But yeah, it's just this franchise so
far isn't grabbing me the way that Alien did.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, these have not been strong showings for me either.
I thought I'd be a little more entertained by these
movies than I have, and I was mostly wanting to
do these for the Alien Versus Predator crossover. And then,
as we've said before, we really liked movie Prey so well.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Who were waiting for the two thousands?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Hit, Okay, what else you got? So the vibe check?
It didn't pass the vibe check. I don't think, not
so much.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Trivia time. Let's hear a little information about Predator.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Too, all right? This was Predator Too, which released on
November twenty one, nineteen ninety written by Jim and John Thomas,
directed by Stephen Hopkins, so writers Sim and John they
returned from the first film, Twentieth Century Fox approached him
for a sequel, and they pitched six ideas six yeah,
including putting the creature in an urban jungle, which a
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studio liked. Arnold Schwarzenegger declined to return for the sequel
over a salary dispute.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Patrick Swayzee and Steven Seagal were considered for the role
of Harrigan before Danny Glover and a number of lethal
weapon actors were brought in. Given that the Alien franchise
is also owned by Fox, with effects work by Stan Winston.
The crew added a xenomorphe head among the trophy skulls
and the predatorship.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I did notice that.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
And then although this was released in nineteen ninety Predator
two was set in nineteen ninety seven, which leads to
some developments like new video technology and a non existent
subway in Los Angeles. And then the set design also
features some boxy colorless cars.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Didn't notice them, you mean they put cyber trucks in
this movie?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yep. Lpdia Carreo reprises her role as Anna Consolves from
the first film. In a cameo appearance, she aids the
government agents and the videotape showing the devastating after effects
of the first Predator's self destruct device. So she was
on the when they had the wall of videos, greens
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and the old trailer. She was on there, and like,
you just see her for a second. It sucks such
a small cameo. But she did film an additional scene
which she talked to the camera and describes the events
of the first film, but this whole scene was cut.
That's really the only bridge for the first movie. The
MPAA initially gave Predator to an NC seventeen rating, so
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several cuts were made to bring it down to an
R rating. The film made fifty seven million dollars against
the budget of somewhere between twenty and thirty million, the
lowest grossing Predator movie to date in nineteen ninety. The
film's reviews were generally negative. The reviewers were generally impressed
by the casting of Danny Glover as an action hero.
Robert Ebert said that the creature's design had racist undertones,
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where subliminal clues encourage us to subconsciously connect the minutes
with blackmails and then. Several retrospective reviews have considered the
film underrated. It was a gain a cult following, with
a particular praise for Danny Glover's performance, the direction, and
the musical score, but the critical and financial disappointment caused
Fox the whole off on continuing the franchise, and the
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next time The Predator was on the big screen was
in two thousand and four for Alien Versus Predator, and
I believe the next proper sequel was until twenty ten,
so about twenty years.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's rough.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the movie. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media. We may use your comments
on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
The score was good, I will agree with that. Comparing
it from the original score in the first film, it's like, oh, yeah,
that's so much better. That first film's score was like
watching a nineteen forties Common Jerry episode. It's like, oh,
I'm hunting a squooy rabbit. But I think Robert Ebert
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is correct with racial like depictions of like the dreads,
even like the fishnets. In the nineties, a lot of
men were wearing like those types of like tanks.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, and so like. Some of that was there in
the first movie, but then I feel like they made
even more so and they really really wait for that
more like urban look for the Predator as well.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
And then to show it juxtapositioned by the Jamaican characters
who also have the locks and the long you know hair,
and the ritualistic nature of their like enterprise made it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I don't know what the connection between Jamaica and voodoo
is because from my understanding, voodoo is a practice from
like Africa. Am I wrong? But where's voodoo from? It's
something and like to me, I associated with New Orleans
if anything like a creole this.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, West African roots developed through the Atlantic slave trade
and the subsequent mixing of African traditions with Roman Catholicism
in the America's, particularly in Haiti and New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, I don't associate Jamaica with voodoo, so that like
Haiti is not Jamaica, y'all. Also, what the heck are
that many Jamaicans doing in la If you know anything
about like Jamaican immigration in the United States, they're all
in New York. Like the Jamaican presence in the Americas
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is mostly in the in the city of New York.
So to put Jamaicans in and Colombians in California.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Is weird that I did look up I was watching
the movie, and I guess it is like one of
the bigger populations of Jamaicans after like New York and Chicago.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, that's third place. I don't know. When I think
of LA, I think of like people who are native
to LA, the people who migrated after the Civil War
to California during the gold Rush, like people who have
been there for like generations and who have been pushed
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out by gentrification. I'm thinking of Compton and Inglewood. Those
people are like American citizens, not like Jamaican immigrants. That's
what I think of When I think of the black
population in LA, I think about like the people who
have been there for generations. So it's just weird that
they're kind of like highlighting immigrant groups too, and especially
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as drug dealers, like you can see that in the
nineteen nineties was definitely already like villainizing immigrants in that
way and people of color.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, this movie is it's full of like stereotyping and
just exaggerating and not flushing out any of these characters
beyond these stereotypes.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, and then let's talk about the depiction of women.
We only saw two women depicted in this film. One
of them was nude throughout the whole time, and then
the other one maybe had five lines and she was pregnant,
a pregnant Mexican girl. What. I don't know. It was weird.
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I didn't like it. I was like, I think in
the first film at least they did a little bit
better with the depiction of a woman because they made
her like strong and kind of like she was more
autonomous somehow. I think they kind of tried to do
that with a police officer one, but she just wasn't
flushed out. She just Latina with a gun.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, just part of the team.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And then maybe we're continuing your theory that the predator
is a woman.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Because another woman. Women are spared in this universe unless
they're carrying guns in the subway. Also, And that's one
thing that's kind of funny to me because I don't
know if you if anybody's ever been to La but
not everybody carries a gun. Not a lot of people
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carry guns like that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, Well, I think that's part of the.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Like dystopian future they were imagining.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah, this seven years in the future, they're imagining that
all this gang warfare has escalated.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And but the thing is, like the violence in LA
wasn't due to gang violence. It was due to police
brutality and due to racial injustice, not gang wars and
drug money like that had nothing to do with it.
So it's a gross misinterpretation of the actual happenings of
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what happen of like LA in the nineteen nineties. Like
it was, it was a lot of like racial tension,
and I mean it's still happening today. It's still happening.
There's still like a tension between you know, police presence
and and them targeting black and brown communities. So I
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don't know, it's just you can tell a bunch of
white guys made this and they were probably looking out
their window at LA and thinking, oh my gosh, wouldn't
it be cool if we made a movie about all
these brown people and we don't ever invite them into
the writing room. And then like Danny Glover's character is
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like a cop who uses excessive force and is stubborn
and all this stuff, and you're like, that guy's kind
of a dick, right, Like if you met him as
a pedestrian, you'd be like, oh, that guy's an asshole,
Like his body cam footage would have like indicted him
in a criminal court by now.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, so yeah, so'm moving on. So obviously like all
the all the racial stuff is enough to be like,
I'm not going to be like a defender of this movie.
Mm hmm, even if you can find good stuff in it.
There's also this like kind of cop drama going on,
and I think it feels pretty cliche with you know.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
The Feds versus the local cop.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, the Feds versus the local cop. The one cop
that kind of is like going rogue and the captain's
fist at him, and yeah, just all that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And then and then we never find out about Danny
Glover's personal life. We never see him go home, we
never see him do anything. He lives out of his car,
it seems.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, I mean, he never does anything in this movie
except for pursue who he believes would be the killer.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
An invisible man.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, there's never an indication that he's has any other relationships, family,
anything in his life.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Nothing that's important to him outside of the precinct.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
No, he was born in that that's his whole life.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, it was unfortunate. I like that they established that
he's afraid of heights, but then it's like he got
over it immediately.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah. Yeah, that was a stretch because he's afraid of heights,
as he indicates early in the movie. Then he's not
climbing down that pipe. No, just go pick the stairs, dude. Yeah,
you want to go down the elevator shafting, there's another
way down.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah. It was a lot of suspended, of suspension of
disheit belief, you know, where you just kind of have
to ride along with them and like, oh, yeah, they
have suits that you can't tell a heat signature from,
and sure we have all these cameras and equipment, and
the graphics are so lame when all the other when
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he killed the predator and then all the other predators
showed up and they were like unmasking or whatever. They
cut off their feet because because of the fog, and
they didn't blend it in right. It was so bad,
And I'm like, they spent so much money on the
effects that they didn't even pay attention to the little details.
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They could have cleared the fog by the time they
showed up, or just not had such a wide shot. Yeah, yeah,
it was crazy. I don't know. This movie just disappointed
me in a lot of ways, and it made me
bored a lot. Like I was just bored. I don't
care for cop dramas. It's not something I watch unless
there's like true characters in them. I think Danny Glover
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didn't have anybody to play off of, and I think
that's where he really shines. Like in Lethal Weapon, he's
up against like you know that fucking anti semi oh
Mel Gibson. Yeah, that's it. Uh yeah, and it works
right because he's like the old haggard cop and the
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young gun who's like shooting from the hip and learning
along the way. I feel like there's shit have been
somebody to counterbalance him, and I think they kind of
tried that with his partner that he that got killed,
but they didn't establish anything that felt solid, you know. Yeah,
Like they killed that guy right away. They didn't let
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him like have a relationship. They're like, why was he
so messed up about it? And he's like, I'll meet
you later, dude, not come with me, brother, we're doing
this together. He was also meeting everybody later. He's like,
I'll get with you later, I'll get with you later.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I'll call you later.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, And then they could have had a moment that
was funny as fuck when he got out of the
car from from the with the Jamaicans. He could have
been acting a little funny, a little more like with
like not as uptight or something. And they didn't do it.
They all the the one line He's like, think you
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guys are overdoing it or that's a little overkilled or whenever,
and I'm like that sucked. Yeah, that's like the only
character trait that those Wamaicans. Yes, they smoked, Yeah, they smoked,
and they do voodoo.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And voodoo, by the way, I was looking up earlier,
Jamaicans have a practice called obia is sometimes compared the voodoo,
but it's a very distinct thing.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So yeah, see, I was like, no, because when I
think of voodoo, I think of like creole, like Haitian creole,
like New Orleans and Haiti. Uh, that's where it originated.
And I'm like that ain't right, Like I'm like, why
are Jamaicans doing voodoo? It confused me. I also was like,
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why are there so many Jamaicans in La? Like I've
been to La a couple of times and I haven't
seen any like huge pockets of Jamaicans like that. And
maybe I'm not looking.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
A lot happened in this alternate timeline to okay, change
the demographics and the religious practices people.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
So it just turned La into New York too. Because subway,
oh my god, that subway.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
They also like they were making their guns look a
little different. They had little attachments to them and stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, I want to talk about Danny Glover's pants. Now
it's one hundred and eight degrees and the man is
wearing wool tweet.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Yeah, they went through all this effort to like make
everyone real sweaty and sweat and through their suits and stuff.
But like no one gets down to a T shirt
or anything.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
No, no one's wearing a T shirt. No one's wearing
like they look sweaty. But they're like wearing a suit
jacket to the to the like to their jobs and stuff.
And no one's wearing linen or something light. And I mean,
I don't know if it's a new world, if it's new,
if it's like this imagined place, why wouldn't it look
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like Miami Lyn, give me some Miami in La with
the with the white suits. You know, a little color
would have been fun.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It was very grab and especially since they I guess
he's still they don't like relieve him a duty or anything,
but like they pull him off that case. If you'd
think he would go into a cat but it's he
only owns was work clothes.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He only wears that. That's his only sweet outfit. Oh
my god. And yeah, there was also a lot of
Danny Glover butt just random butt shots. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
This was a very it's like loud and chaotic movie
for a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, it was just like and then Gary Busey and
his teeth showed up, and I'm like, oh great, Gary Beaucy.
Why was he so popular in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I think he just had like a face that made
a good bad guy.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, but he wasn't even a good bad guy in this.
He was just a fed Yeah, Like what it would
have been cool if he's like, yeah, let him destroy everything,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't care how
many bodies it takes. I thought it was weird that
he was part of the crew that went out with
the flashlights and not in the back watching because that
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like he's in a command position. Why wouldn't he be
in a command position. Yeah, that was weird. That was
a weird choice.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
And they're gonna sit here and watch little triangles on
the screen.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
And I'm pretty sure the guys in there survived because
the predator didn't go after them.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, I don't know. They didn't really show us. They
just showed their.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, and that's it, and that was But yeah, the
guys watching, the guys who were like protecting Busy were
just in that trailer the whole time. They're probably still
in that trailer. Meanwhile, Gary Busey gets chopped in half
with all the beef. Those beefs also looked so fake.
Oh my god, they looked so fake. Couldn't they spray
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them down with something to make them at least look
we what.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
The fuck they were drying them out?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
They should have called Rocky and have been like, hey, dude,
what do you use or they could have rented some meat.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I don't know, like, and someone's in for a big
surprise when they go to open the butcher's shop in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, for real, Gary Busey cut in half.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Also, when they were at the beginning of the movie,
it starts chaotic as fuck with Colombians versus cops, and
there's two motorcycle cops stuck in the middle of the firefight,
and Danny Glover puts police vests on his car on
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the windows and then rolls up and lets them drag
them in. And then the Colombians run into their little warehouse,
snort all the cocaine they can and start gearing up,
and they get killed by the predator. But then the
cops are like, oh, we need to go up there,
and they go up there, and that warehouse is also
a sweatshop. What the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
What the multi purpose building.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
That's so random? And the same floor too. It's not
even like we got the wrong floor. Nah, it's just
the room next door. You know, a sweatshop requires a
lot of room, right.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Like printed that one office. Yeah, it's a small sweatshop operation.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Whenever the predator speaks, it just feels so out of place.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I wish they would let him speak more and understand,
and like, I feel like I want the predator to, like,
if they're gonna humanize him, humanize him in a way
where I can understand why he's Like. After Danny Glummer specifically,
because I feel like I understand it a little when
he was like being heroic at that firefight. But then like,
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is that it because there were other people who were heroic?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I guess, so like it, I guess what we're supposed
to piece together that the predator shows up to la,
I'm guessing of the heat wave.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It's hot, this is a down girl.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's hot, yeah, and like identifies all this fighting and
who the leaders are, so it's going after who it
leaves to be like the toughest.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, but can you like camouflage yourself and use like
ultraviolet vision and like, are you really that's not a
fair fight doing what? Like are you really hunting? And
I guess that's how humans hunt too. Less intelligent creatures
have no chance at putting up a fight. That's why
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I personally really respect people who hunt with bow and arrows,
and not those souped up arrows either, though, you know
those bows that have like twenty strings on them and
all that. Nah, I want like a regular bow and
arrow that you carved yourself. Those that I respect that
type of hunter, But like the people who hunt with
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guns and shit, I'm like, how is that sport. You know,
how was that fun for you to like kill a
defenseless creature that doesn't even know how to fight back
or protect itself against bullets?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yep, So yeah, I think invisibility is why is this
even like a sport for you?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
M m Yeah. He just walks up to them and
like jumps into the middle of a ring and takes
them all out. How is that fun? Other than the
element of surprise, I guess I don't know. It's an
interesting show. I feel like if a real Hunter did
write this, it would be different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, And it's also like we're kind of watching these
characters like slowly put together like what they're up against,
when like this is the second movie, so we all
kind of know what it is. And then so yeah,
like you were saying, it'd be more interesting if it
were more of a buddy cop thing where we got
to like experience the lives of these characters a little
(24:44):
bit and then like see their world get upturn.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, Like, show me the lead up to the gang fights.
Don't just drop me in in the middle of a
fucking shootout. Show me their every day, normal lives and
then all of a sudden, the gang will start and
it could be like the preditor instigates it, you know,
and that would be really interesting if the predator started
the gang war. And I really wish I don't know why,
(25:08):
but I really love when movies make the city part
of the movie, you know, like a like a character
in the film. And I really wish they would have
done that because La is such a unique city in
the way that it's laid out, in the way that
the people interact in the traffic like stuff like that.
But because they said it like seven years in the future,
(25:31):
they threw that away. They turned it into New York
and that was so fucking weird.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, I don't know why. Why did they choose to
do La and add a subway as opposed to doing
New York or DC or somewhere that has a subway system.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I feel like it would
have been cool. Like I hope that in the future
they can make the place part of the film in
a way that's like impactful, because this could have been
any city US in the abysmal future, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yep, I don't know. Yeah, Bill Paxson was really annoying.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't even know which one he is, but I've
heard of him before.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
He was the new guy that transferred in and kept
making all those like really loud jokes and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Was he the one that they called like Sonny boy
or something, the young cop that was like always trying
to hang out and who was like hitting on that
woman who's like, I gotta go dot real police work.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, out and then he dies in the subway scene.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, okay, he dies in the dark, which is choices.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, and that golf ball because he like briefly mentioned
golf in it's first scenes. It's like, that's not character work.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No astoral queen. Who was the standout character in the film,
Danny Glover.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I don't know why you would pick anyone else. You
like the Predator.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, and even the Predator and this one sucked. He's
kind of dick.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
It's also like multiple times they do the fake out
where it's like the Predator is dead, like you know
it's not gonna be dead. Yeah, but yeah, I mean
it's got to be Danny Lover. Yeah. All right, So
that wraps up the main part of our podcast here,
and we're gonna do a quick spoiler section, So if
you don't want to know anything about any of the
future entries the series, you can stuck out now otherwise
(27:27):
we're going to spoil some things. But the next episode
will be Alien versus Predator woo, so we will see
how the crossover goes.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Who are you rooting for? I'm moving for Alien.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, I can make it interesting. I gotta be team Predator. Oh,
let's put our living stereo stylus in this group.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Race for impact. Spoilers ahead. If you haven't watched the
whole franchise, now maybe the time to say goodbye. Remember
you can contact us at Facingoutpod at gmail dot com,
find us on social media, share your thoughts and be
a part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four three
(28:11):
two one.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
First of all, like the first movie, no one from
this movie carries over to the future entries. No more
Danny Glover. So during the finale from the Elder, Predator
hands Danny Glover the gun. Dating from seventeen fifteen, Jim
and John Thomas had conceived an idea for a possible
Predator movie which would have taken place in the past
where there were no modern weapons available to combat them.
(28:34):
And of course later we get the movie prey to
the prequel film, and this pistol appears in that movie, oh,
which I really don't remember that, so I am curious
to see that come up. Yeah, yeah, seventeen hundreds. But
I really didn't have anything else for the spoilers.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, I haven't seen Alien Versus Predator or else. I
tell you who won. That's I love spoiling things.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
I've seen it, But like pretty much all these movies,
I don't really remember remember much about it. I think
the Pyramids the geezare in it. Oh and yeah, that's all.
And then I remember the sequel to it being a
pretty bad movie. Oh no, Aliens Versus Predators. But then
twenty ten's Predators, I think that was actually decent movie.
(29:17):
That tof Grace and Danny Trey ho oh, some other
things people don't remember offhand.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
But okay, all right, let's wrap it up.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
That wraps it up. So thank you for spacing out
with us.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
And that's what's like a notable quote from this movie.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Surprise motherfucker? Is that one?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't know, I don't know that was it? Your
one ugly motherfucker? That's it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Thank you for spacing out with Phoebe and Jason. You
can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive
rating or review. Next time, we will cover the two
thousand and four film Alien Versus Predator. We hope you
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