November 4, 2025 • 27 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering the twenty twenty two movie Prey.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to Spacy now.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Predator franchise one entree at a time, and we're coming
up on Predator bad Lands, which we'll release on November seven.
If you're listening to this on our Spacing Out Predator podcast,
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plus everything else we've covered, not an Alien, Battlestar Galactica,
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our Flagmings, Death Foundation, and more to com so. This
movie is available to stream on Hulu, probably also on
Disney if you're not in the US, and in the future,
I think it will all be Disney in this film,
set in the Commanchi Nation three hundred years ago, this
is a story of Naaru, a fierce and high skilled
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warrior raised in the shadow of legendary hunters who roam
the Great Plains. When danger threatens her camp, she sets
out to protect her people the praise. She stalks a
highly evolved alien predator with a technically advanced Arsenal.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I love it amazing. It's so good. It's so beautiful,
and it's so different from all of these like hyper masculine, aggressive,
kind of like Predator movies that you're used to watching.
So I really, I really did enjoy it this movie.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, it's so good and it's it's almost like it's
too good to be in this franchise.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, it's beautiful and it's so well done, and it's
like you.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Can tell there was so much care taken into making
this film, and it feels so active you're it to
the time and place that it's just it's really good.
There's not much to say about it except it's great.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, so definitely watch it if you haven't. And like
the Predator movies, they're not that complex, like they're monster movies,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, they're like alien killer looking for to kill, very
like point A to point B.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, and we see them like keep kind of trying
to figure out a way to keep this franchise going
and stuff while it's you know, basically like a Chase
Hunter movie type thing. So to see this movie be
so successful at like bringing us something different in this world. Yeah,
and just putting it in this time and place with
these people, like it just works so well.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, Trivia time, Let's hear a little information about Prey.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
This was Prey, which originally premiered on August fifth, twenty
twenty two. Written by Patrick Ason, story by Patrick Ayson
and Dan Trachtenberg, directed by Dan Trachtenberg. This is Dan
Dracktenberg's second film after ten clover Filled Lane. Development on
this began in twenty eighteen during the production of The Predator,
as Trachtenberger Nason began working on the concept in twenty sixteen,
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which is originally not conceived as a Predator movie. Filming
took place near Calgary in twenty twenty one after some
delays from the COVID nineteen pandemic. Is primarily shot on
Stony Nakota First Nation lands. Jane Myers, a member of
both the Commanche Nation and the Blackfeet Nation, served as
a producer on the film. She contributed to the historical
and scientific accuracy of the production, including a period accurate
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toothbrush and adding horses into the film, which was not
in the original script. The cinematography relied largely on natural
light to respect the nature and the landscapes. Most of
the film was shot in English, with some sequences being
shot in Comanche in French as well, but there is
a full Comanche language dub as available. It's on Hulu.
You can select that one when you select the movie.
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The full cast reprises their roles, thus making it the
first feature film to do so. Sarah Schackner composed the
musical score, with Native American musician Robert Mirabal providing flute
and vocals. Bennett Taylor portrays Captain Raphael Adelini, an Italian
translator hired by the French. This character was first alluded
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to and Predator two, and is later depicted in the
comic book Predator seventeen eighteen. So this is the thing
with the pistol. That pistol shows up and Predator two.
We don't know exactly how it got back into the
hands of the Predator, but we do kind of see
at the end. So there's the paintings and the closing
credits that depict the movie's story. At the end of
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that scene we don't see in the movie is three
predatorships descending on the Comanche Tribe at the very end.
The film was released on Hulu in the US and
Disney Plus internationally without a theatrical run. But there is
a limited theatrical release happening coming up right alongside Predator
bad Lands as a double feature.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh that's exciting and we should do that.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I was thinking about. I was like thinking about even
waiting to do this until that. But it's a while. Yeah, well,
I mean it's a couple of weeks. But it's also
going to be like four or five hours at the theater.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I can do that. It's going to be a
very expensive parking ticket.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Pray was nominated for six Primetime Emory Awards, winning one
for Outstanding Sound Editing. In the film received positive reviews
from critics and high viewership, leaving Tracktenberg to direct two
additional Predator films, Predator Killer of Killers, which is an
animated movie, and Predator bad Lands, both of which being
released in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Deep Space Dive, let's break down some of our thoughts
on the movie. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
All Right, I did not take a lot of notes
on this because I was just watching the movie.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, it was really good. Okay, So we basically have
a young woman who wants to establish herself as a
hunter in her tribe like her brother. And you see
like her doing her regular duties of like gathering and
like preparing medicines with her mother and doing that. But
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then you also see her practicing her acts skills, so
you can see that she's like a multifaceted individual that
has lots of skills and interests. I like seeing that.
I like seeing complicated characters with conflicting roles in society,
Like you're expected to do one thing, but you really
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want to do another thing.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah. They clearly believe she has a certain place in
their tribe.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, and like it's very patriarchal in some ways, which
I don't know what the commanche like traditions are. I mean,
they're not outright barring her. She is allowed to participate
in like hunting, but it's like with permission with a
co signer. Yeah, so it's not something that she has
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come easy for her.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And then the expectations are you know, through the roof, yeah,
and have mistake to be successful.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah. So I do like that she has a complicated
relationship with her brother where it's not very like I
hate him because he's doing what I want to do.
You can tell like she admires him, but she's also
a little jealous of him. And I don't know, I
just I like that there's like a complexity to that relationship.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's not yeah, because he doesn't completely write her off
the way the other guys in the hunting group do.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, but he knows her too. He knows her skills,
he knows her abilities, and that's why he's comfortable co
signing for her. At first, I was like, who's this nerd?
He just looked like a geeky dude, really skinny. And
then after he killed that lion or the cat or whatever,
I don't know what kind of animal that was. It
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was like a mountain lion.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, a cougar, cougar, Yeah, they called their lion.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, so when they killed that cougar. When he killed
that cougar, he definitely elevated himself, like within the tribe obviously,
but also like as a character, he's just like seems
more legit as a hunter.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Hear her axe foot throwing is always fun to watch
throughout the whole movie. Yeah, then she elevates it by
getting the rope on it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah. I like that she can see that there's something
else happening when no one else can. Everybody else is
dismissive and kind of gas lighting. She's like something skinned
that snake, and she's gonna go out and find out
what's going on. So that moment where all the women
are waking up in the morning, getting their baskets ready
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and going out to gather herbs and roots, they're all
walking in one direction, and then she's in her basically
like her her hunting regalia, her her her action outfit,
and she's walking in the opposite direction. I thought that
was really powerful to see because it's hard, I feel like,
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when you're part of a community to walk against the
grain of what's expected of you. And I think, to me,
that was a really powerful scene. Even though there was
no dialogue, there was there was. It was just her
walking in the opposite direction of all of the women
to try to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, there's a lot of just unspoken visual things in
this movie.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Oh yeah, when she's hunting the rabbits and like at
first she's not catching any of them, but then she
adjusts her technique, and all of a sudden, she has
four rabbits on her back and she's eating really well.
Like that's like that shows that she's adaptive and skillful,
and she she can cook and clean a rabbit as
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well as kill it. So that's like so valuable to
be out in the wilderness on your own. It's not
like she can she can't be out there. She's fully
capable of doing this. And I think the first thing
she encounters is that bear, right, yeah, because that's how
she finds out there is a predatory. So she's like
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just watching the bear, and then a breeze comes through
and the bear catches her scent, and all of a sudden,
here she is pray. So's she's trying to go on
like some sort of like spiritual journey. I don't remember
what they called it, but it was like when you
hunt something that's trying to hunt you. Her brother did it.
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It's like a quest or something, and this is her
quest that she's taken onto herself, not knowing what creature
she's actually going after. When that bear starts attacking her,
and all of a sudden, something's attacking the bear, I
would be freaking the fuck out.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, well she was, I guess, like trying to not
be seen by it. Yeah, sort of dumps herself in
the river. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Well she's not a threat at this point, is what
she She comes to find out, Right, if you're not
a threat, you don't get attacked.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, I mean somewhat.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, there's not a lot of because he's.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Still like, you know, a taxi guy, like laying on
the ground, no leg Yeah, but if you're caught in
a trap, then you're not fair game anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I don't know. It's just like I like that
the movie gives you a lot of nuance where it's
not like explaining to you what's happening. It's just happening,
and you're it's it's like giving the audience enough information
for us to make to understand the film. Like she
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goes into that, she finds all those buffalo and she
finds a cigar, and she thinks at first that it
was the Predator. Again that's like maiming and killing and
indiscriminately just being savage and horrible, And later we tie
that back to the French trappers, So like, who's the
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real threat here? Because like, at first I did think
Oh my god, the predator killed all those buffalo. They're
not even like predators like buffalo don't attack anything, they
eat grass.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, I think that's an intentional misdirect. So we see it.
You know, skin that rattlesnake, which was gross.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, I skin that rattlesnake. And then that fucking wolf
it like pulled its spine out. Yeah, it's definitely doing
its ritualistic like after kills like thing.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah. So you see those buffalo skinned, and if you've
watched other predator movies, you've seen a lot of humans
and other things skinned before, So that's the natural thing
to think.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, but that's literally what trappers did back in like
the seventeen and eighteen hundreds. They would kill thousands of
buffalo and just leave the carcasses. They only wanted the fur.
It was crazy, It was crazy. So I do like
that there's nuance again, like there's it's not just this
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alien creature from another planet. It's also this alien creature
from another country coming onto this land and disturbing the peace.
And I knew there was gonna be an element of
like the Westerner when she when her dog got caught
up in one of those traps in the very presequence,
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So there was like a metal trap in the middle
of Indian country and it's like that's weird, and you
know you're ready now, like okay, where are the white people?
So as soon as I saw that trap, I was like,
there's gonna be some white person in this movie. There's
gonna be some sort of like you know, Shenanigans with
the colonizers. And I like that moment where she falls
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in that swamp that was so stressful, it was so quiet.
It was so like critical though, because she could have
died right there, yeah, by herself in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, and there's there's a couple of times in the
film where she is rescued by the men or by
her dog too.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it's like you don't want that to keep happening,
like you want to see her succeed on her own.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah. But I think it's important to know that sometimes
you do need help and that you are human and
you are flawed. And I like that each time that
she does get help or assistance or that there's some
sort of element of like help, there's also like a
learning and she gets better. So the character development there
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is just like incredible when she uses her medicine to
cure that guy who got attacked by the lion and
they're like, he's cold, we got to help him, and
she's like, do you want him to be comfortable or
do you want him to live? That's a bar And
it's kind of establishing what these herbs and this medicine does.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, she was caught in that swamp and gets covered
in mud, and I think it's it is alluding to
the original Predator movie where they get covered in mud.
But you think it's going to go that route where
she learns that she can get covered in mud and
hide herself from the predator. But that doesn't really come
back when said this herb comes about. Yeah, that lowers
the temperature.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, so she has her own medicine that she's using
her own ancestral knowledge to get the upper hand on
a creature that has technology way beyond anybody's comprehension. I
was worried when they captured her the French that they
were going to rape her or something. I'm so glad
they didn't. Yeah, it would have been like because it
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would have been so easy for them to like violate
her when she was passed out. So I'm glad it
didn't take that turn. And I'm glad that they like
recognized that she had knowledge. But then like they showed
that they had the brother too, and that was really scary.
I was worried about that too.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah. I do like that she got to fight alongside
her brother for a while.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, it was sad that he died. I really didn't
want him to go, but he was perceived as a
threat and he's like, you can run, and then she
came back. I love that she came back. She's like, nah,
fuck that you Like, it's crazy how many Native Americans died,
but I'm so glad that way more Frenchman died.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
When she goes back to get the dog, and she
just kills the rest of the camp. I did not
expect that, So it set up to be kind of
like a little sneaking around espionage, going to get my
hatchet and my dog out of here. But no, she
just takes them all lot.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, they're gonna kill her dog, they're gonna mess with
her brother. She's kind of a vengeful person and I
like that. Again, it's multi dimensional character with like an
arc and kind of like a responsibility to like act,
and I just it's so good. I don't know, and
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like there's not like there's some moments where it kind
of like feels like, oh my god, what are we doing?
Like Okay, she's walking through the wilderness. Okay, she's like
doing this, but like there's not enough. Like the pacing
of the movie is just right where there's moments where
you can just enjoy the scenery and the music and
the mood, and then there's moments where there's only action.
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There's movement, there is like you know, choreographed bite sequence,
and I don't know, I'm just like amazed by the
movie itself is so good, and I'm just like, do
we deserve this? Like the care and attention to every
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aspect of this movie. I can't think of any one
thing that's gonna be wrong with this movie. I don't
know if there's any like negative critiques on it. I
don't know. I just really like this movie and it
was really good. And then when she fucking cuts his
hand off, you can tell that pissed him off.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, and then.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
He almost her head off. Oh my god, it's so dramatic,
the drama, the theater, it's amazing, and then she uses
that swamp again, like it comes back like it wasn't
just a one off, random thing that happened to her.
She learned and she used it and adapted to it.
I think the main thing from this is the adaptation,
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like the progression of like learn and adapt and that's
how you become the Killer of Killers.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's the next movie.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, I know there's so much to say, but it's like,
at the same time, it like leaves you speechless.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, I mean a lot of it is like vibes.
It's as we already said, like it's so like gorgeously shot.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
The landscapes, the costumes, the like the music, the ambiance,
the lighting, everything just fits so well to the place
and the story.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And yeah, it feels very authentic with all that. It's
like I don't think any of it's like on a
sound stage or anything like.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, and I feel like I could totally see this
not being a Predator movie. If we took out the
Predator from the movie and just made it about a
movie about a young woman who wanted to be a hunter,
it would still be a very valid and honest interpretation
of that story. So adding the Predator kind of gave
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it like this really cool like sci fi element, but
it totally didn't need it. It was just kind of
like a little cherry on top of the ice cream
Sunday that you were already enjoying.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So there's not a lot of comedy in this, but
that one moment where all the French guys fire their
gun and then have to stop and reload.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That was so funny. Everybody shoot at the predator all
at once, Now stop reload. I love that. I love
that the comedy of the unprepared, unthinking like French trapper
where they couldn't like because by comparison, when you had
the Native Americans against the predator, they were communicating silent,
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they were talking to each other and saying you go high,
I go low, and they were trying to get there.
But these French trappers, they just all shoot their load
all at once, and now there's no plan after. So
it's very uh like. It was funny. We both laughed
at that point. That was some There is not a
lot of comedy, but that was very funny.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
They also kept shooting, like right at that shield he
was holding gain somewhere else leg.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Arm something I kind of felt bad for that translator.
But he seemed like a like a turncoat.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah. I mean he's not exactly the same as the
French guys, but he's with them.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, he almost lived.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, what else anything else?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Upon her triumphant return, you can see that there is
both like pride but sorrow within the tribe for her
return because she's probably gone a couple of days now
and she comes back alone. When they sent out a party.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, they lost a lot of people and it doesn't
seem like the tribe is that big. Now that's everyone
we saw there.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, and then but there was a moment where a
little girl was looking at her getting the war chief staff,
and you could see there was like a moment where
she's like emulating a future that is possible, it's real,
because sometimes if you don't see it, you won't know
that it's something that can be for you. So I
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really like that they kind of added that little moment
between those two girls, or those two like a little
girl and a woman achieving a goal, because I feel like,
I feel like it's important to have role models and
have people like doing things that you want to do.
I don't know that wasn't there for her, you know,
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so now she's the stand in for that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I am kind of bummed that because no one else survived,
Like none of those guys that were like always talking
down to her like got to like show her a
moment of respect or anything besides her brother. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I think they respected her as soon as they
were dying.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I think they really understood that she was not fucking
around and lying. There was something. There was a real
threat and they could not handle it, and she did.
So it sucks that they didn't survive in general, but
I don't think they needed to survive to respect her.
I think they respected her as soon as they saw
the threat. They were probably shocked because that's a big, scary,
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fucking alien. And I think the acting for when those
guys died was so good. It was so scary, Like
I so believed that, like that guy lost his arm
and was about to die. There was a moment where
one of them had his head down like he couldn't
face this creature. It was so heartbreaking because you know,
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these are young men and their tribe and they have
families and they're not coming home and it fucked. But
it's funny that you feel those emotions for those young men,
even though they were rude and kind of wrote her off.
When the French crappers died, you were just like, yeah,
I get her.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Well, I mean the Frenchman put her in a cage. Yeah,
like the I think the reason we feel a little
bit different for the interpreter is like he seemed to
actually like see her as a human.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, he spoke to her and said, you have knowledge,
and he recognized that he could help her, and it
seemed that he wanted her near him so that he
wouldn't be alone because he saw her as a protective person.
And I think that's why he was willing to show
her how to use the gun in order for him
to survive this horrific thing that happened to him, and
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he almost made it. I was really I was really
a little disappointed that he died because I don't know,
it just sucks. There's so much carnage.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
So this these movies are made by a twenty century Fox,
which was acquired by Disney. So this is the first
one after Disney acquired them. And I think I was like,
partially it was COVID, but there was also like the
plans for this movie and Alien Romulus was both of
them to be like straight to streaming. But I think
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the success of this movie like really showed them that,
like this can be a theatrical release and the future
ones are in the theaters, and Alien Romulus got shifted
to a theatrical release.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah. No, this movie. I remember when it came out,
everybody was talking about it. Everybody was excited about it.
Everybody fucking loved it.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, and I don't know, I don't think I heard
anything about it, like prior to the release. It was
like the movie dropped and then buzz went out everywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, it was really good immediate, Like I think I
watched it like the first day that it came out.
The second day, I like totally watched it right away
because like my friends were talking about and I'm like, well,
I have to watch this movie. I don't know much
about Predator, but I think most of my friends were
really excited about the Native American representation and the storytelling,
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so I was like, I'm in, let's go.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, And I think that also helped a lot. Was like,
you don't have to know the Predator franchise for this
to work.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, I don't know, I'm just I'm really glad that
this movie came out, and I'm really excited about its
impact and what it means for future movies in this franchise,
because it's like set, it's a new bar, it's like
a set, a new standard that hopefully they will continue
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to deliver on. Because I mean this to me, this
is the best Predator movie and it has nothing to
do with the Predator, right. I wouldn't mind like a
movie about the Predator too, though, like give us because
I think it's such an interesting creature. But this was
just incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Astoral queen who was the standout character in the film.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
We know you do? We even need to talk about it?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, who do you pick?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Jason H French guy number four?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, Well, what was her name? Naima Naaru Naaru? Yeah,
I picked Naru.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, it's clearly Naru.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
No one else's maybe her brother would be like a
close second. Like her brother did really well and he
like understood her and helped her and was an ally.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, it goes her, her brother, her dog.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, that's it. Anything else that should be it. So
we haven't seen the other movies, so we can't do
any spoilers. It means the next movie we're gonna watch
is Predator Killer of Killers because that should be out
next week. And then the following week we will have
seen Predator bad Lands and we'll be back to talk
about that. Thank you for spacing out with us, and
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remember this is as far as you go, no more.
This is it.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
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Us mm hmm
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week
covering the twenty twenty two movie Prey.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to Spacy now.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Predator franchise one entree at a time, and we're coming
up on Predator bad Lands, which we'll release on November seven.
If you're listening to this on our Spacing Out Predator podcast,
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our Flagmings, Death Foundation, and more to com so. This
movie is available to stream on Hulu, probably also on
Disney if you're not in the US, and in the future,
I think it will all be Disney in this film,
set in the Commanchi Nation three hundred years ago, this
is a story of Naaru, a fierce and high skilled
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warrior raised in the shadow of legendary hunters who roam
the Great Plains. When danger threatens her camp, she sets
out to protect her people the praise. She stalks a
highly evolved alien predator with a technically advanced Arsenal.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Vibe check. Did we like the movie overall? How does
it stand the test of time?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I love it amazing. It's so good. It's so beautiful,
and it's so different from all of these like hyper masculine, aggressive,
kind of like Predator movies that you're used to watching.
So I really, I really did enjoy it this movie.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, it's so good and it's it's almost like it's
too good to be in this franchise.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, it's beautiful and it's so well done, and it's
like you.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Can tell there was so much care taken into making
this film, and it feels so active you're it to
the time and place that it's just it's really good.
There's not much to say about it except it's great.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, so definitely watch it if you haven't. And like
the Predator movies, they're not that complex, like they're monster movies,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, they're like alien killer looking for to kill, very
like point A to point B.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah, and we see them like keep kind of trying
to figure out a way to keep this franchise going
and stuff while it's you know, basically like a Chase
Hunter movie type thing. So to see this movie be
so successful at like bringing us something different in this world. Yeah,
and just putting it in this time and place with
these people, like it just works so well.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, Trivia time, Let's hear a little information about Prey.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
This was Prey, which originally premiered on August fifth, twenty
twenty two. Written by Patrick Ason, story by Patrick Ayson
and Dan Trachtenberg, directed by Dan Trachtenberg. This is Dan
Dracktenberg's second film after ten clover Filled Lane. Development on
this began in twenty eighteen during the production of The Predator,
as Trachtenberger Nason began working on the concept in twenty sixteen,
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which is originally not conceived as a Predator movie. Filming
took place near Calgary in twenty twenty one after some
delays from the COVID nineteen pandemic. Is primarily shot on
Stony Nakota First Nation lands. Jane Myers, a member of
both the Commanche Nation and the Blackfeet Nation, served as
a producer on the film. She contributed to the historical
and scientific accuracy of the production, including a period accurate
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toothbrush and adding horses into the film, which was not
in the original script. The cinematography relied largely on natural
light to respect the nature and the landscapes. Most of
the film was shot in English, with some sequences being
shot in Comanche in French as well, but there is
a full Comanche language dub as available. It's on Hulu.
You can select that one when you select the movie.
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The full cast reprises their roles, thus making it the
first feature film to do so. Sarah Schackner composed the
musical score, with Native American musician Robert Mirabal providing flute
and vocals. Bennett Taylor portrays Captain Raphael Adelini, an Italian
translator hired by the French. This character was first alluded
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to and Predator two, and is later depicted in the
comic book Predator seventeen eighteen. So this is the thing
with the pistol. That pistol shows up and Predator two.
We don't know exactly how it got back into the
hands of the Predator, but we do kind of see
at the end. So there's the paintings and the closing
credits that depict the movie's story. At the end of
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that scene we don't see in the movie is three
predatorships descending on the Comanche Tribe at the very end.
The film was released on Hulu in the US and
Disney Plus internationally without a theatrical run. But there is
a limited theatrical release happening coming up right alongside Predator
bad Lands as a double feature.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh that's exciting and we should do that.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I was thinking about. I was like thinking about even
waiting to do this until that. But it's a while. Yeah, well,
I mean it's a couple of weeks. But it's also
going to be like four or five hours at the theater.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I can do that. It's going to be a
very expensive parking ticket.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Pray was nominated for six Primetime Emory Awards, winning one
for Outstanding Sound Editing. In the film received positive reviews
from critics and high viewership, leaving Tracktenberg to direct two
additional Predator films, Predator Killer of Killers, which is an
animated movie, and Predator bad Lands, both of which being
released in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Deep Space Dive, let's break down some of our thoughts
on the movie. You can share your thoughts with us
through email or social media.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
All Right, I did not take a lot of notes
on this because I was just watching the movie.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, it was really good. Okay, So we basically have
a young woman who wants to establish herself as a
hunter in her tribe like her brother. And you see
like her doing her regular duties of like gathering and
like preparing medicines with her mother and doing that. But
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then you also see her practicing her acts skills, so
you can see that she's like a multifaceted individual that
has lots of skills and interests. I like seeing that.
I like seeing complicated characters with conflicting roles in society,
Like you're expected to do one thing, but you really
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want to do another thing.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah. They clearly believe she has a certain place in
their tribe.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, and like it's very patriarchal in some ways, which
I don't know what the commanche like traditions are. I mean,
they're not outright barring her. She is allowed to participate
in like hunting, but it's like with permission with a
co signer. Yeah, so it's not something that she has
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come easy for her.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And then the expectations are you know, through the roof, yeah,
and have mistake to be successful.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah. So I do like that she has a complicated
relationship with her brother where it's not very like I
hate him because he's doing what I want to do.
You can tell like she admires him, but she's also
a little jealous of him. And I don't know, I
just I like that there's like a complexity to that relationship.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's not yeah, because he doesn't completely write her off
the way the other guys in the hunting group do.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, but he knows her too. He knows her skills,
he knows her abilities, and that's why he's comfortable co
signing for her. At first, I was like, who's this nerd?
He just looked like a geeky dude, really skinny. And
then after he killed that lion or the cat or whatever,
I don't know what kind of animal that was. It
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was like a mountain lion.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, a cougar, cougar, Yeah, they called their lion.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, so when they killed that cougar. When he killed
that cougar, he definitely elevated himself, like within the tribe obviously,
but also like as a character, he's just like seems
more legit as a hunter.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Hear her axe foot throwing is always fun to watch
throughout the whole movie. Yeah, then she elevates it by
getting the rope on it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah. I like that she can see that there's something
else happening when no one else can. Everybody else is
dismissive and kind of gas lighting. She's like something skinned
that snake, and she's gonna go out and find out
what's going on. So that moment where all the women
are waking up in the morning, getting their baskets ready
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and going out to gather herbs and roots, they're all
walking in one direction, and then she's in her basically
like her her hunting regalia, her her her action outfit,
and she's walking in the opposite direction. I thought that
was really powerful to see because it's hard, I feel like,
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when you're part of a community to walk against the
grain of what's expected of you. And I think, to me,
that was a really powerful scene. Even though there was
no dialogue, there was there was. It was just her
walking in the opposite direction of all of the women
to try to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, there's a lot of just unspoken visual things in
this movie.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Oh yeah, when she's hunting the rabbits and like at
first she's not catching any of them, but then she
adjusts her technique, and all of a sudden, she has
four rabbits on her back and she's eating really well.
Like that's like that shows that she's adaptive and skillful,
and she she can cook and clean a rabbit as
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well as kill it. So that's like so valuable to
be out in the wilderness on your own. It's not
like she can she can't be out there. She's fully
capable of doing this. And I think the first thing
she encounters is that bear, right, yeah, because that's how
she finds out there is a predatory. So she's like
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just watching the bear, and then a breeze comes through
and the bear catches her scent, and all of a sudden,
here she is pray. So's she's trying to go on
like some sort of like spiritual journey. I don't remember
what they called it, but it was like when you
hunt something that's trying to hunt you. Her brother did it.
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It's like a quest or something, and this is her
quest that she's taken onto herself, not knowing what creature
she's actually going after. When that bear starts attacking her,
and all of a sudden, something's attacking the bear, I
would be freaking the fuck out.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, well she was, I guess, like trying to not
be seen by it. Yeah, sort of dumps herself in
the river. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Well she's not a threat at this point, is what
she She comes to find out, Right, if you're not
a threat, you don't get attacked.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, I mean somewhat.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, there's not a lot of because he's.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Still like, you know, a taxi guy, like laying on
the ground, no leg Yeah, but if you're caught in
a trap, then you're not fair game anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I don't know. It's just like I like that
the movie gives you a lot of nuance where it's
not like explaining to you what's happening. It's just happening,
and you're it's it's like giving the audience enough information
for us to make to understand the film. Like she
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goes into that, she finds all those buffalo and she
finds a cigar, and she thinks at first that it
was the Predator. Again that's like maiming and killing and
indiscriminately just being savage and horrible, And later we tie
that back to the French trappers, So like, who's the
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real threat here? Because like, at first I did think
Oh my god, the predator killed all those buffalo. They're
not even like predators like buffalo don't attack anything, they
eat grass.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, I think that's an intentional misdirect. So we see it.
You know, skin that rattlesnake, which was gross.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, I skin that rattlesnake. And then that fucking wolf
it like pulled its spine out. Yeah, it's definitely doing
its ritualistic like after kills like thing.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah. So you see those buffalo skinned, and if you've
watched other predator movies, you've seen a lot of humans
and other things skinned before, So that's the natural thing
to think.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, but that's literally what trappers did back in like
the seventeen and eighteen hundreds. They would kill thousands of
buffalo and just leave the carcasses. They only wanted the fur.
It was crazy, It was crazy. So I do like
that there's nuance again, like there's it's not just this
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alien creature from another planet. It's also this alien creature
from another country coming onto this land and disturbing the peace.
And I knew there was gonna be an element of
like the Westerner when she when her dog got caught
up in one of those traps in the very presequence,
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So there was like a metal trap in the middle
of Indian country and it's like that's weird, and you
know you're ready now, like okay, where are the white people?
So as soon as I saw that trap, I was like,
there's gonna be some white person in this movie. There's
gonna be some sort of like you know, Shenanigans with
the colonizers. And I like that moment where she falls
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in that swamp that was so stressful, it was so quiet.
It was so like critical though, because she could have
died right there, yeah, by herself in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, and there's there's a couple of times in the
film where she is rescued by the men or by
her dog too.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
So it's like you don't want that to keep happening,
like you want to see her succeed on her own.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah. But I think it's important to know that sometimes
you do need help and that you are human and
you are flawed. And I like that each time that
she does get help or assistance or that there's some
sort of element of like help, there's also like a
learning and she gets better. So the character development there
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is just like incredible when she uses her medicine to
cure that guy who got attacked by the lion and
they're like, he's cold, we got to help him, and
she's like, do you want him to be comfortable or
do you want him to live? That's a bar And
it's kind of establishing what these herbs and this medicine does.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, she was caught in that swamp and gets covered
in mud, and I think it's it is alluding to
the original Predator movie where they get covered in mud.
But you think it's going to go that route where
she learns that she can get covered in mud and
hide herself from the predator. But that doesn't really come
back when said this herb comes about. Yeah, that lowers
the temperature.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, so she has her own medicine that she's using
her own ancestral knowledge to get the upper hand on
a creature that has technology way beyond anybody's comprehension. I
was worried when they captured her the French that they
were going to rape her or something. I'm so glad
they didn't. Yeah, it would have been like because it
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would have been so easy for them to like violate
her when she was passed out. So I'm glad it
didn't take that turn. And I'm glad that they like
recognized that she had knowledge. But then like they showed
that they had the brother too, and that was really scary.
I was worried about that too.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah. I do like that she got to fight alongside
her brother for a while.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, it was sad that he died. I really didn't
want him to go, but he was perceived as a
threat and he's like, you can run, and then she
came back. I love that she came back. She's like, nah,
fuck that you Like, it's crazy how many Native Americans died,
but I'm so glad that way more Frenchman died.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
When she goes back to get the dog, and she
just kills the rest of the camp. I did not
expect that, So it set up to be kind of
like a little sneaking around espionage, going to get my
hatchet and my dog out of here. But no, she
just takes them all lot.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, they're gonna kill her dog, they're gonna mess with
her brother. She's kind of a vengeful person and I
like that. Again, it's multi dimensional character with like an
arc and kind of like a responsibility to like act,
and I just it's so good. I don't know, and
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like there's not like there's some moments where it kind
of like feels like, oh my god, what are we doing?
Like Okay, she's walking through the wilderness. Okay, she's like
doing this, but like there's not enough. Like the pacing
of the movie is just right where there's moments where
you can just enjoy the scenery and the music and
the mood, and then there's moments where there's only action.
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There's movement, there is like you know, choreographed bite sequence,
and I don't know, I'm just like amazed by the
movie itself is so good, and I'm just like, do
we deserve this? Like the care and attention to every
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aspect of this movie. I can't think of any one
thing that's gonna be wrong with this movie. I don't
know if there's any like negative critiques on it. I
don't know. I just really like this movie and it
was really good. And then when she fucking cuts his
hand off, you can tell that pissed him off.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, and then.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
He almost her head off. Oh my god, it's so dramatic,
the drama, the theater, it's amazing, and then she uses
that swamp again, like it comes back like it wasn't
just a one off, random thing that happened to her.
She learned and she used it and adapted to it.
I think the main thing from this is the adaptation,
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like the progression of like learn and adapt and that's
how you become the Killer of Killers.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
That's the next movie.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, I know there's so much to say, but it's like,
at the same time, it like leaves you speechless.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, I mean a lot of it is like vibes.
It's as we already said, like it's so like gorgeously shot.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
The landscapes, the costumes, the like the music, the ambiance,
the lighting, everything just fits so well to the place
and the story.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
And yeah, it feels very authentic with all that. It's
like I don't think any of it's like on a
sound stage or anything like.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, and I feel like I could totally see this
not being a Predator movie. If we took out the
Predator from the movie and just made it about a
movie about a young woman who wanted to be a hunter,
it would still be a very valid and honest interpretation
of that story. So adding the Predator kind of gave
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it like this really cool like sci fi element, but
it totally didn't need it. It was just kind of
like a little cherry on top of the ice cream
Sunday that you were already enjoying.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So there's not a lot of comedy in this, but
that one moment where all the French guys fire their
gun and then have to stop and reload.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
That was so funny. Everybody shoot at the predator all
at once, Now stop reload. I love that. I love
that the comedy of the unprepared, unthinking like French trapper
where they couldn't like because by comparison, when you had
the Native Americans against the predator, they were communicating silent,
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they were talking to each other and saying you go high,
I go low, and they were trying to get there.
But these French trappers, they just all shoot their load
all at once, and now there's no plan after. So
it's very uh like. It was funny. We both laughed
at that point. That was some There is not a
lot of comedy, but that was very funny.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
They also kept shooting, like right at that shield he
was holding gain somewhere else leg.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Arm something I kind of felt bad for that translator.
But he seemed like a like a turncoat.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah. I mean he's not exactly the same as the
French guys, but he's with them.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, he almost lived.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, what else anything else?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Upon her triumphant return, you can see that there is
both like pride but sorrow within the tribe for her
return because she's probably gone a couple of days now
and she comes back alone. When they sent out a party.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, they lost a lot of people and it doesn't
seem like the tribe is that big. Now that's everyone
we saw there.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah, and then but there was a moment where a
little girl was looking at her getting the war chief staff,
and you could see there was like a moment where
she's like emulating a future that is possible, it's real,
because sometimes if you don't see it, you won't know
that it's something that can be for you. So I
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really like that they kind of added that little moment
between those two girls, or those two like a little
girl and a woman achieving a goal, because I feel like,
I feel like it's important to have role models and
have people like doing things that you want to do.
I don't know that wasn't there for her, you know,
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so now she's the stand in for that.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I am kind of bummed that because no one else survived,
Like none of those guys that were like always talking
down to her like got to like show her a
moment of respect or anything besides her brother. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, I think they respected her as soon as they
were dying.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I think they really understood that she was not fucking
around and lying. There was something. There was a real
threat and they could not handle it, and she did.
So it sucks that they didn't survive in general, but
I don't think they needed to survive to respect her.
I think they respected her as soon as they saw
the threat. They were probably shocked because that's a big, scary,
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fucking alien. And I think the acting for when those
guys died was so good. It was so scary, Like
I so believed that, like that guy lost his arm
and was about to die. There was a moment where
one of them had his head down like he couldn't
face this creature. It was so heartbreaking because you know,
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these are young men and their tribe and they have
families and they're not coming home and it fucked. But
it's funny that you feel those emotions for those young men,
even though they were rude and kind of wrote her off.
When the French crappers died, you were just like, yeah,
I get her.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Well, I mean the Frenchman put her in a cage. Yeah,
like the I think the reason we feel a little
bit different for the interpreter is like he seemed to
actually like see her as a human.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, he spoke to her and said, you have knowledge,
and he recognized that he could help her, and it
seemed that he wanted her near him so that he
wouldn't be alone because he saw her as a protective person.
And I think that's why he was willing to show
her how to use the gun in order for him
to survive this horrific thing that happened to him, and
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he almost made it. I was really I was really
a little disappointed that he died because I don't know,
it just sucks. There's so much carnage.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
So this these movies are made by a twenty century Fox,
which was acquired by Disney. So this is the first
one after Disney acquired them. And I think I was like,
partially it was COVID, but there was also like the
plans for this movie and Alien Romulus was both of
them to be like straight to streaming. But I think
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the success of this movie like really showed them that,
like this can be a theatrical release and the future
ones are in the theaters, and Alien Romulus got shifted
to a theatrical release.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah. No, this movie. I remember when it came out,
everybody was talking about it. Everybody was excited about it.
Everybody fucking loved it.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, and I don't know, I don't think I heard
anything about it, like prior to the release. It was
like the movie dropped and then buzz went out everywhere. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, it was really good immediate, Like I think I
watched it like the first day that it came out.
The second day, I like totally watched it right away
because like my friends were talking about and I'm like, well,
I have to watch this movie. I don't know much
about Predator, but I think most of my friends were
really excited about the Native American representation and the storytelling,
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so I was like, I'm in, let's go.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, And I think that also helped a lot. Was like,
you don't have to know the Predator franchise for this
to work.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, I don't know, I'm just I'm really glad that
this movie came out, and I'm really excited about its
impact and what it means for future movies in this franchise,
because it's like set, it's a new bar, it's like
a set, a new standard that hopefully they will continue
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to deliver on. Because I mean this to me, this
is the best Predator movie and it has nothing to
do with the Predator, right. I wouldn't mind like a
movie about the Predator too, though, like give us because
I think it's such an interesting creature. But this was
just incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Astoral queen who was the standout character in the film.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
We know you do? We even need to talk about it?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, who do you pick?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Jason H French guy number four?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No, Well, what was her name? Naima Naaru Naaru? Yeah,
I picked Naru.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah, it's clearly Naru.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
No one else's maybe her brother would be like a
close second. Like her brother did really well and he
like understood her and helped her and was an ally.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, it goes her, her brother, her dog.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, that's it. Anything else that should be it. So
we haven't seen the other movies, so we can't do
any spoilers. It means the next movie we're gonna watch
is Predator Killer of Killers because that should be out
next week. And then the following week we will have
seen Predator bad Lands and we'll be back to talk
about that. Thank you for spacing out with us, and
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remember this is as far as you go, no more.
This is it.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
The Brothers Ortiz
The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.