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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
covering Foundation season three episode two, Shadows in the Math.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to Spacy Now.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a time,
and we're going to try to do this weekly as
season three is airing, So our episode come out on
Tuesdays when the show comes out on Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hooray.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
That might vary depending on where you live, and you
might be listening to this on our Foundation podcast, but
I invite you to check out our main channel, Spacing
Out with Bheb and Jason. We've done a bunch of
stuff there. What do we done? Battle Star Galactica, our
flag means death.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
A couple of movies like the Star Trek movies and the.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Star Trek Alien. We're working on some Predator stuff that'll
come out after this, So hit us up.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I feel like sci fi.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
In this episode, Dale and Harry advance their plans on
Igness Empire, grapples with an unforeseen prediction in Han Piccher
and list help to investigate the Mule.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Five check. Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
All?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
How are we feeling episode two pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I'm feeling pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah this I feel like the season has gotten off
to a strong start so far, and I think every
storyline is interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh yeah, their show is like unlike, it's like I
don't even know how to describe it, which is kind
of problematic considering this is what we do. But it's
like piecing together this like image of a larger picture
that's so interesting. It's a tapestry of storytelling that I'm
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just like, like I want to pull the next string
to see what image will unfold next or something. I
don't know if that analogy works because you don't want
to unravel the Travis Craps three.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But you know, yeah, like there's early on in this show,
there's a lot of times where like I'm confused, I
don't understand what's going on, and it's making me angry.
That's not the case anymore. Like there's stuff that I'm like,
I'm not sure where this is going.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
But I'm coming with you.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, I'm here for the ride. So with that, let's
move into trivia trivia time.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
What facts or news could we uncover for Shadows in
the Math?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
This is Foundation Season three, Episode two, Shadows in the Map.
It's originally premiered on July eighteenth, twenty twenty five, written
by lay Dana Jackson and Caitlyn Parrish and directed by
Tim Southend. And Tim Southend is a Canadian television and
film director, so he has lots of Canadian films and
documentaries on his resume, as well as some international series
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such as Bones House, Darryl Dixon, Lost in Space, and
Lock and Key. And for the writers, I've talked about
lay Dana Jackson before, but Caitlin Parish is a new
name for so. She's an American screenwriter and playwright and
appears to be more active in the theater landscape and
for television. Has written for Emily Owens, MD, Under the
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Dome and Supergirl, and also directed a film adaptation of
her first play, The View from Tall And That's all
I have for Trivia. I was trying to dig and
see if there's any news coming out really, but not
so much. There's just kind of various people talking about
what they think about the show.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, like us, great, we are many in our ranks.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So now we will recap all the other reviewers.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Now, deep Space Dive, Let's break down some of our
thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
us through email or social media. We may use your
comments on an upcoming episode, as we've predicted.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Last time, we got caught up with Gail and Harry
traveling through time. Basically they're trying to you know, speed
ramp through this hold preparing the Second Foundation, and even
one time, Gale just comes out ands like our religious
era is over. Yeah, I didn't know you could just
claim that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You would think that that would happen organically.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
He's like, hey, you know, you guys, you don't have
religion anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Sorry, I don't think people would take that very well.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
But then they realized that they're not. They need to
be on the ground more, not in their tanks.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, but it looks like Harry has been spending most
of his time making statues. What.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well. It's weird because like at the end of last season,
it was like the plan, the initial plan was for
Gail to get in the tank and come back, you know,
once a year, and Harry was gonna live out his
life mm hmm, and made a big point of like, no,
Harry's coming with her. And now they're like, actually undo that.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, I'm never mind.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
That's the one part that felt a little messy.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And then what happened to his tank? What did they
do with it? Like why would they get rid of it?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's like, I don't know. I'm kind of like a
little bit of a hoarder, and I feel like I
would save it. I like, I don't know, maybe I'll
need it. What if the first one breaks I need
parts for the other one or something.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You know, maybe they moved it to a safer spot.
Where is that one? Other one's just like out there
in the elements, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it was raining on one of them when she
came in and that guy who was signing, I'd like
that she learned how to sign really quickly, like almost
too quickly, Like yeah, I feel like it takes years
of study for different language, but galed it in a
couple of days.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, that was there was no barrier for her. Yeah.
So yeah, so Harry selling ages And do you think
we're gonna see that character again that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Version of we have to Well maybe not that version,
but that actor's locked in.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, well because we have the one from the vault that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I just but I don't know what he's gonna
do with that lady. That lady with like intergalactic transport abilities.
She's the one who gave him life too, So how
did she get there? How did he like see her again?
Have so many questions about their relationship and who she is, and.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I feel like the show is acknowledging that there's still
questions there. So it makes me feel like that there's
gonna be some answers for that somewhere along the way.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Hopefully, right. It sucks that he just kind of left
Gail hanging though. Yeah, she's smart though. I feel like
she's gonna they're gonna work on something together. It's crazy
that she's talking to Empire.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, so that's that's the reveal at the end. But
there's some sort of dialogue there, yeah, And I mean
we can only speculate, like what that dynamic is.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah. I like their spy too. What was his name?
The guy who went to those rich people's house and
is like, invite me to your party?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Oh, Han Precher, Pretcher?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Why does that sound familiar? Pretcher? I don't know, huh,
But I like that. It's like they're everywhere they're spies
or whatever. I like that they don't spend their whole
time on the planet learning whatever they're doing over there.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, he's from.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
The Second Foundation.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
No, yeah, he's from the First Foundation.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, he's from the first second Foundation because he controls
he has mind control powers. Right. I thought he was
from the Second Foundation.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I don't think so, because he was dealing with the
traders and stuff last time. That's all First Foundation stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh that was him.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh I thought he was using mind control so that
their cameras couldn't work in that room.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
No, I think that was technology doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Oh that was a very okay.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
But yeah, So we have influencers in the world now.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I like it. I like it a lot. I think
influencers are a sign that a society is in decline. Yeah.
I think it's painting a picture for sure. And the juxtaposition.
I like the the way that the guy came in
and he's like, you're too rich to worry about conflict
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and war.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
God, yeah, that was always happening in a couple of
streets over.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Right to those other people. That's fucking real, dude.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah. I like how he called that out.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, like, your your wealth protects.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You know, they're or the guy is hober Mallow's descended.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, so it's just like, damn, you've fallen far from
that tree, not too far. But I think, uh, I
don't think they would like that. Yeah, I don't think
Hobo Mellow and uh what was her name, Constance?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yes, Constant.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, I don't think they would like where their bloodline
is going where they don't even want to move their
pillows and stuff, or they don't want to move their
chairs over because a war machine is shading their sun
or whatever, like how fucked up.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, but so I think I got confuse are times
about like what they're their whole deal like, because that
was like a bit right because they were recording that.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
They were recording everything like, but yeah, I don't know.
They just got in the house then.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Because after that guy like agreed to like help them
move their stuff, it was like, oh, I see your recording.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I don't care. Just there. They seem silly, like silly people.
I don't know what their role is going to be.
It's going to be interesting to see them in the
same room as the mule. He's so terrifying.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, they're going to a party.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, do you think there'll be another pig there. They
had that pig at that table where he walked in.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I'm sure there'll be lots and lots of food and decadence.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
That was scary though, with uh that demonstration he did
with the little girl. Yeah, I didn't get why that
lady said three. Was she trying to what was she
trying to do?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I don't know. I think she just like broke.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Why would she say three?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean she said it is kind of like a gasp, she.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Wanted the little girl to die. For a minute, I
was like, what the fuck? I don't like her either,
but it was interesting that, like she was depicted in
that image and with her father in the hall or whatever,
in that space that they were in. So that kind
of it paints the picture that she was very valued
in the public eye and to her father.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, and very close with their father. So now she's
got full devotion to the mule's kind of demonstrating how
much power he. Yes, yeah, it's very she should you
hate him? Oh yeah no, but she's like more than anything.
I'd love to do that. But it's interesting that there
are his powers not unlimited, like it takes a lot
of efforts. So that's why he's not just taking over
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everything immediately.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I do like that he's not always capable of it,
because that's scarier if he was like all powerful. So
that means that there was probably moments of recovery after
he did that whole bit with planes and the people
shooting themselves at each other. I'm very interested to see
how he's going to rule and how. I don't know.
(11:08):
It just seems like fear is such a primitive like
instinct and emotion that I think it's like, I don't
know if that's what I would choose to rule with fear, right,
because that if you're afraid, that means you can be
afraid of something else more than you're afraid of me. Potentially,
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so your allegiance to me because you're afraid of me
could falter, and it's very weak because of your fear.
I always feel like the military had the right idea
when they were trying to win the hearts and minds, right,
I think that's more that's a harder strategy, but I
think it's like stronger in terms of like having people
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be on your side.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
People would rather they would lay their lives down if
they love you, whereas they might run away from something
if if they fear you. So I don't know. I'm
very interested to see how this pens out.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But you know, if the fear you falters for any individual,
he can step in and control them basically.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, but at the cost of his like himself in
some ways. So I don't know. I'm just very interested
to see. And like in the flashbacks with Gail, he's like,
where is the Second Foundation? Why does he want the
Second Foundation? Like what is There's something there that he
wants and it might be the people who have those
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abilities or something. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like maybe that's
why Gail and them and the Second Foundation, we're seeking
out people like that, the people with abilities, because maybe
they could like raise them to not become the mule.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I mean maybe, I don't know, that's what I would
try to do. Yeah, I'm just thinking, like, because all
those people were brought there before you know, Gaale got there,
did they continue seeking those people out? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
They said that. She said that when they were panning
over the island, that they continued their search and that
they had their people Spye and they had like people
with eyes everywhere within the Foundation and the Empire and
now I'm just like, was it the mule taking over
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the planet that broke the timeline or was it Gail
talking to Empire?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Possibly?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right, like what is it? What is because it could
very well be that her relationship with Empire is what's
causing like a fracture in the timeline. So it's very interesting.
I'm very interested to see this kind of unfold. And
then old guy with the black hole killer thing.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, so me, the most interesting part of the episode
was all the Empire stuff and so yeah, apparently they've
built a death star. But I find the Brother Dusk
it's just interesting that they they're doing something different with
the the Empire characters a season, Like they're not just
repeating the same characters. You know, Brother Day is very
disillusioned with everything. Basically, Yeah, Brother Dusk doesn't want to
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die and is you know fighting, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
He's fighting to live. He's like asking drumasel, come on, girl,
let me be here, and she's like, I am a
clock and your time is a what a cold bitch.
But so the old guy's mad at her because he's dying,
and then the middle guy's mad at her because she's
a real butt. He's like, you're more hollow on the
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inside than I thought, what a I don't know, she's
not winning anything, and now little Homeboy is like stabbing
her in the back by talking to the Foundation, having
appointments with Gail. Crazy and no wonder he's worried about
the mule because Gail warned him about the mule.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah. So, and then the Foundation ambassador is like, Empire
always knows so much more than we do. Yeah, she
just finished confirming that the mule took over that planet.
He's like, yo, that was the last episode we've moved on.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, he's like in power. Now he's got mental abilities.
Did you know that? Oh that poor lady. I feel bad, like,
but you know what I feel like, that's how it
happens when you're when you have less power, and in
any room, you're gonna know less information because knowledge is power.
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And that's like a really I think that's really interesting
to drive that home every episode that they show her
like the Foundation is falling behind on their reconnaissance and
their intel. So I don't know, I feel like we
haven't seen the Foundation in a while too.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I mean we saw him last episode, yeah, with all
the Traders and other mallow guy on the bikes.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh yeah. And then we saw that one guy that
infiltrated Harry Selden's obelisk.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Oh yeah, I wish we had more of him.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I know, he was great.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
They're continuing to kind of play on this idea of
what happens to Demursel. It's the empires no more, right,
and I like that they're talking about like, you know,
the road would open up for you, right.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
They clipped her wings, but she might still be able
to fly. Yeah, she's free.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Of them, so I'm like, open that road for her.
See where she goes.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I would be sad to see the empire die though.
It's so interesting that idea of like a genetic line.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And then brother Day is doing lots of drugs.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, and gambling. He just lost the sugar bowl. I
need to buy a sugar bowl. That just reminded me.
That's a really nice too. It comes with a spoon.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
It looked like and I assumed his little compound was
somewhere in the like the palace grounds, because they don't
usually leave there. But the gambling I think would seut
in the city somewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, I think it was. I think it was probably
like their breakroom.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Those are all palace people.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, those are all palace guards and people like that.
They know him. Yeah, they know the palace things too,
like they recognize shit from the palace and they're like, hey,
they And they also talked about, like, you know, Dramasol,
like they knew her, like, oh did Dramasol? Let you
take that? So I think they know like that. I
think it's like their breakroom, like they have like an
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area where they chill and because he doesn't care about rules,
he just goes in there and gambles with them. Because
I feel like if you worked for Empire like that,
you know, with your brain getting wiped every weekend, you'd
have to live there. Yeah, like sure the four oh
one K and benefits are great, but I can't remember
last time I was able to like take shit peacefully
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or something. I don't know. And it's interesting that they
know stuff, but like they're not aware of everything. Maybe
I don't know. It's I'm interested about like their depth
of knowledge that they carry from day to day because
I remember when the Cloud Princess was interrogating them and
wiping their brains and shit, like they knew stuff. But
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I think it seems like mostly it's the courtisans that
get brainwiped more often than anything.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, I'm curious about the one that's living with day
Song because they keep including here a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So I'm like, she thinks and she's involved in very
like deep state secret conversations with Day Like he's like, oh, well,
we know the knowledge of the universe, we know how
to tell the future kind of shit. Yeah, like she
knows things. And honestly, like I feel like mistresses and
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and and courtissans and and partners and the people who
share a bed with rulers are privy to a lot
of like state secrets just as like kind of like
a job hazard.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, and brother Dusk last episode made a point to
be like six months is long enough? Need to memory?
Why not? Oh sorry, And they included that in the
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recap for this episode just so this makes me think,
like it's meaningful that, Yeah, he's knowing all this stuff,
what's going on days? Carrying that ferret around you?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
He takes it with him. And then they made a
point for when Dusk came to visit that he stared
at the ferret again. Yeah, so the ferret's getting a
lot of airtime.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was just watching a l night show where Lee Pace,
who plays brother Day, was on it and they were
showing photos of the ferrets. I'm like, oh, I guess
this ferret's going to be around for more of the episodes.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, you get a lot of airtime. I'm telling you.
I like this is off topic, but I like that
marriage is no longer like a thing. Yeah, what is
everybody doing? Do you think it's like polyamory or like
voluntary celibacy where you take like an a Welcome to
(20:31):
the Monkey House where you take a pill and it
just makes you numb from the waist down, or nineteen
eighty four like where it's just like nothing's happening.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I mean, I don't know about that, but I feel
like all options are on the table, Like you can
be monogamous or polyamorous or not amorous at all. But
I don't know, there's not like a legal status of
marriage or have to dig into how the law would
work with all their parenting rights and stuff. Yeah, and
I'm sure first across the galaxy too, they talk about
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thousands of worlds.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, but the Pleasure Planet marriage thing, which.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I give of course. Yeah, like all marriages are void
when you get there.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, it's like that Love Island or that Perfect Match
or some reality TV show bullshit.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You know, any other thoughts, feelings, proclamations about this episode.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Not necessarily, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Then it is time to choose who is a standout
character in the episode?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Astral Queen? Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Man, I don't know who are you going to pick?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, I'm trying to think. I mean, it's not like
there is any big incidents going on or anything.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
No.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I was really happy to see Gaile again because I
missed her last time, but I don't like things just
kind of happened to her, and for the end where
she's contacting Empire, but I don't know what that's about.
The Merza wasn't doing much and this was getting talked
about more than doing anything. Brother Day was having fun,
Brother Dusk was interesting but kind of evil.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, and then that guy that was with him, He's like,
I'm gonna be known as the guy who gave you.
Why would you be happy about that?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Weirdo? And Harry Selden, you know he's bailed on Gail.
I don't know, so I think I want to use
other day for raising that ferret and living life.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Living life.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I'm gonna Pickture.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh that nerd Oh. He did have a good He
was the most quotable of the of the episode. I
did like his quote where he's like speaking truth to power. Yeah,
I'm gonna go with him, even though he was like
in it for like a second, but that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah,
hopefully I'm really excited about their sting operation too.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, I say, hopefully we see their party next episode. Yeah.
All right, well that is our astro queens then, so
I don't think I have anything for the spoiler sections.
I will be the end of the podcast for today
the next episode only, Season three, episode three. When a
book finds you, you read.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It, maybe I'll listen to the audio book.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, Zode, thank you for spacing out with us. And
what's a good quote from the episode.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't have a list of quotes, otherwise I'd give
you the one from my astro queen. I do miss,
I do miss the classic.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Quote respect and enjoy the piece.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, I haven't heard that one in a while because
they've lost their respect and they don't got no peace.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
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Episode three, A Book finds You. We hope you will
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Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
covering Foundation season three episode two, Shadows in the Math.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to Spacy Now.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a time,
and we're going to try to do this weekly as
season three is airing, So our episode come out on
Tuesdays when the show comes out on Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hooray.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
That might vary depending on where you live, and you
might be listening to this on our Foundation podcast, but
I invite you to check out our main channel, Spacing
Out with Bheb and Jason. We've done a bunch of
stuff there. What do we done? Battle Star Galactica, our
flag means death.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
A couple of movies like the Star Trek movies and the.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Star Trek Alien. We're working on some Predator stuff that'll
come out after this, So hit us up.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I feel like sci fi.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
In this episode, Dale and Harry advance their plans on
Igness Empire, grapples with an unforeseen prediction in Han Piccher
and list help to investigate the Mule.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Five check. Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
All?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
How are we feeling episode two pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I'm feeling pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah this I feel like the season has gotten off
to a strong start so far, and I think every
storyline is interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh yeah, their show is like unlike, it's like I
don't even know how to describe it, which is kind
of problematic considering this is what we do. But it's
like piecing together this like image of a larger picture
that's so interesting. It's a tapestry of storytelling that I'm
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just like, like I want to pull the next string
to see what image will unfold next or something. I
don't know if that analogy works because you don't want
to unravel the Travis Craps three.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But you know, yeah, like there's early on in this show,
there's a lot of times where like I'm confused, I
don't understand what's going on, and it's making me angry.
That's not the case anymore. Like there's stuff that I'm like,
I'm not sure where this is going.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
But I'm coming with you.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, I'm here for the ride. So with that, let's
move into trivia trivia time.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
What facts or news could we uncover for Shadows in
the Math?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
This is Foundation Season three, Episode two, Shadows in the Map.
It's originally premiered on July eighteenth, twenty twenty five, written
by lay Dana Jackson and Caitlyn Parrish and directed by
Tim Southend. And Tim Southend is a Canadian television and
film director, so he has lots of Canadian films and
documentaries on his resume, as well as some international series
(02:49):
such as Bones House, Darryl Dixon, Lost in Space, and
Lock and Key. And for the writers, I've talked about
lay Dana Jackson before, but Caitlin Parish is a new
name for so. She's an American screenwriter and playwright and
appears to be more active in the theater landscape and
for television. Has written for Emily Owens, MD, Under the
(03:10):
Dome and Supergirl, and also directed a film adaptation of
her first play, The View from Tall And That's all
I have for Trivia. I was trying to dig and
see if there's any news coming out really, but not
so much. There's just kind of various people talking about
what they think about the show.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, like us, great, we are many in our ranks.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So now we will recap all the other reviewers.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Now, deep Space Dive, Let's break down some of our
thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with
us through email or social media. We may use your
comments on an upcoming episode, as we've predicted.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Last time, we got caught up with Gail and Harry
traveling through time. Basically they're trying to you know, speed
ramp through this hold preparing the Second Foundation, and even
one time, Gale just comes out ands like our religious
era is over. Yeah, I didn't know you could just
claim that.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You would think that that would happen organically.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
He's like, hey, you know, you guys, you don't have
religion anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Sorry, I don't think people would take that very well.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
But then they realized that they're not. They need to
be on the ground more, not in their tanks.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, but it looks like Harry has been spending most
of his time making statues. What.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well. It's weird because like at the end of last season,
it was like the plan, the initial plan was for
Gail to get in the tank and come back, you know,
once a year, and Harry was gonna live out his
life mm hmm, and made a big point of like, no,
Harry's coming with her. And now they're like, actually undo that.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, I'm never mind.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
That's the one part that felt a little messy.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And then what happened to his tank? What did they
do with it? Like why would they get rid of it?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
That's like, I don't know. I'm kind of like a
little bit of a hoarder, and I feel like I
would save it. I like, I don't know, maybe I'll
need it. What if the first one breaks I need
parts for the other one or something.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You know, maybe they moved it to a safer spot.
Where is that one? Other one's just like out there
in the elements, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, it was raining on one of them when she
came in and that guy who was signing, I'd like
that she learned how to sign really quickly, like almost
too quickly, Like yeah, I feel like it takes years
of study for different language, but galed it in a
couple of days.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, that was there was no barrier for her. Yeah.
So yeah, so Harry selling ages And do you think
we're gonna see that character again that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Version of we have to Well maybe not that version,
but that actor's locked in.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, well because we have the one from the vault that.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I just but I don't know what he's gonna
do with that lady. That lady with like intergalactic transport abilities.
She's the one who gave him life too, So how
did she get there? How did he like see her again?
Have so many questions about their relationship and who she is, and.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I feel like the show is acknowledging that there's still
questions there. So it makes me feel like that there's
gonna be some answers for that somewhere along the way.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Hopefully, right. It sucks that he just kind of left
Gail hanging though. Yeah, she's smart though. I feel like
she's gonna they're gonna work on something together. It's crazy
that she's talking to Empire.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, so that's that's the reveal at the end. But
there's some sort of dialogue there, yeah, And I mean
we can only speculate, like what that dynamic is.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah. I like their spy too. What was his name?
The guy who went to those rich people's house and
is like, invite me to your party?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Oh, Han Precher, Pretcher?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Why does that sound familiar? Pretcher? I don't know, huh,
But I like that. It's like they're everywhere they're spies
or whatever. I like that they don't spend their whole
time on the planet learning whatever they're doing over there.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, he's from.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
The Second Foundation.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
No, yeah, he's from the First Foundation.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, he's from the first second Foundation because he controls
he has mind control powers. Right. I thought he was
from the Second Foundation.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I don't think so, because he was dealing with the
traders and stuff last time. That's all First Foundation stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh that was him.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh I thought he was using mind control so that
their cameras couldn't work in that room.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
No, I think that was technology doing that.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Oh that was a very okay.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
But yeah, So we have influencers in the world now.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I like it. I like it a lot. I think
influencers are a sign that a society is in decline. Yeah.
I think it's painting a picture for sure. And the juxtaposition.
I like the the way that the guy came in
and he's like, you're too rich to worry about conflict
(08:11):
and war.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
God, yeah, that was always happening in a couple of
streets over.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Right to those other people. That's fucking real, dude.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah. I like how he called that out.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, like, your your wealth protects.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
You know, they're or the guy is hober Mallow's descended.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, so it's just like, damn, you've fallen far from
that tree, not too far. But I think, uh, I
don't think they would like that. Yeah, I don't think
Hobo Mellow and uh what was her name, Constance?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yes, Constant.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, I don't think they would like where their bloodline
is going where they don't even want to move their
pillows and stuff, or they don't want to move their
chairs over because a war machine is shading their sun
or whatever, like how fucked up.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, but so I think I got confuse are times
about like what they're their whole deal like, because that
was like a bit right because they were recording that.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
They were recording everything like, but yeah, I don't know.
They just got in the house then.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Because after that guy like agreed to like help them
move their stuff, it was like, oh, I see your recording.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I don't care. Just there. They seem silly, like silly people.
I don't know what their role is going to be.
It's going to be interesting to see them in the
same room as the mule. He's so terrifying.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, they're going to a party.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, do you think there'll be another pig there. They
had that pig at that table where he walked in.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
I'm sure there'll be lots and lots of food and decadence.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
That was scary though, with uh that demonstration he did
with the little girl. Yeah, I didn't get why that
lady said three. Was she trying to what was she
trying to do?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I don't know. I think she just like broke.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Why would she say three?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean she said it is kind of like a gasp, she.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Wanted the little girl to die. For a minute, I
was like, what the fuck? I don't like her either,
but it was interesting that, like she was depicted in
that image and with her father in the hall or whatever,
in that space that they were in. So that kind
of it paints the picture that she was very valued
in the public eye and to her father.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Yeah, and very close with their father. So now she's
got full devotion to the mule's kind of demonstrating how
much power he. Yes, yeah, it's very she should you
hate him? Oh yeah no, but she's like more than anything.
I'd love to do that. But it's interesting that there
are his powers not unlimited, like it takes a lot
of efforts. So that's why he's not just taking over
(10:44):
everything immediately.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I do like that he's not always capable of it,
because that's scarier if he was like all powerful. So
that means that there was probably moments of recovery after
he did that whole bit with planes and the people
shooting themselves at each other. I'm very interested to see
how he's going to rule and how. I don't know.
(11:08):
It just seems like fear is such a primitive like
instinct and emotion that I think it's like, I don't
know if that's what I would choose to rule with fear, right,
because that if you're afraid, that means you can be
afraid of something else more than you're afraid of me. Potentially,
(11:31):
so your allegiance to me because you're afraid of me
could falter, and it's very weak because of your fear.
I always feel like the military had the right idea
when they were trying to win the hearts and minds, right,
I think that's more that's a harder strategy, but I
think it's like stronger in terms of like having people
(11:56):
be on your side.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
People would rather they would lay their lives down if
they love you, whereas they might run away from something
if if they fear you. So I don't know. I'm
very interested to see how this pens out.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But you know, if the fear you falters for any individual,
he can step in and control them basically.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, but at the cost of his like himself in
some ways. So I don't know. I'm just very interested
to see. And like in the flashbacks with Gail, he's like,
where is the Second Foundation? Why does he want the
Second Foundation? Like what is There's something there that he
wants and it might be the people who have those
(12:38):
abilities or something. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like maybe that's
why Gail and them and the Second Foundation, we're seeking
out people like that, the people with abilities, because maybe
they could like raise them to not become the mule.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I mean maybe, I don't know, that's what I would
try to do. Yeah, I'm just thinking, like, because all
those people were brought there before you know, Gaale got there,
did they continue seeking those people out? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
They said that. She said that when they were panning
over the island, that they continued their search and that
they had their people Spye and they had like people
with eyes everywhere within the Foundation and the Empire and
now I'm just like, was it the mule taking over
(13:27):
the planet that broke the timeline or was it Gail
talking to Empire?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Possibly?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Right, like what is it? What is because it could
very well be that her relationship with Empire is what's
causing like a fracture in the timeline. So it's very interesting.
I'm very interested to see this kind of unfold. And
then old guy with the black hole killer thing.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, so me, the most interesting part of the episode
was all the Empire stuff and so yeah, apparently they've
built a death star. But I find the Brother Dusk
it's just interesting that they they're doing something different with
the the Empire characters a season, Like they're not just
repeating the same characters. You know, Brother Day is very
disillusioned with everything. Basically, Yeah, Brother Dusk doesn't want to
(14:23):
die and is you know fighting, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
He's fighting to live. He's like asking drumasel, come on, girl,
let me be here, and she's like, I am a
clock and your time is a what a cold bitch.
But so the old guy's mad at her because he's dying,
and then the middle guy's mad at her because she's
a real butt. He's like, you're more hollow on the
(14:47):
inside than I thought, what a I don't know, she's
not winning anything, and now little Homeboy is like stabbing
her in the back by talking to the Foundation, having
appointments with Gail. Crazy and no wonder he's worried about
the mule because Gail warned him about the mule.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah. So, and then the Foundation ambassador is like, Empire
always knows so much more than we do. Yeah, she
just finished confirming that the mule took over that planet.
He's like, yo, that was the last episode we've moved on.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, he's like in power. Now he's got mental abilities.
Did you know that? Oh that poor lady. I feel bad, like,
but you know what I feel like, that's how it
happens when you're when you have less power, and in
any room, you're gonna know less information because knowledge is power.
(15:42):
And that's like a really I think that's really interesting
to drive that home every episode that they show her
like the Foundation is falling behind on their reconnaissance and
their intel. So I don't know, I feel like we
haven't seen the Foundation in a while too.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
I mean we saw him last episode, yeah, with all
the Traders and other mallow guy on the bikes.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh yeah. And then we saw that one guy that
infiltrated Harry Selden's obelisk.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Oh yeah, I wish we had more of him.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I know, he was great.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
They're continuing to kind of play on this idea of
what happens to Demursel. It's the empires no more, right,
and I like that they're talking about like, you know,
the road would open up for you, right.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
They clipped her wings, but she might still be able
to fly. Yeah, she's free.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Of them, so I'm like, open that road for her.
See where she goes.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I would be sad to see the empire die though.
It's so interesting that idea of like a genetic line.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
And then brother Day is doing lots of drugs.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, and gambling. He just lost the sugar bowl. I
need to buy a sugar bowl. That just reminded me.
That's a really nice too. It comes with a spoon.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
It looked like and I assumed his little compound was
somewhere in the like the palace grounds, because they don't
usually leave there. But the gambling I think would seut
in the city somewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, I think it was. I think it was probably
like their breakroom.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Those are all palace people.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, those are all palace guards and people like that.
They know him. Yeah, they know the palace things too,
like they recognize shit from the palace and they're like, hey,
they And they also talked about, like, you know, Dramasol,
like they knew her, like, oh did Dramasol? Let you
take that? So I think they know like that. I
think it's like their breakroom, like they have like an
(17:40):
area where they chill and because he doesn't care about rules,
he just goes in there and gambles with them. Because
I feel like if you worked for Empire like that,
you know, with your brain getting wiped every weekend, you'd
have to live there. Yeah, like sure the four oh
one K and benefits are great, but I can't remember
last time I was able to like take shit peacefully
(18:03):
or something. I don't know. And it's interesting that they
know stuff, but like they're not aware of everything. Maybe
I don't know. It's I'm interested about like their depth
of knowledge that they carry from day to day because
I remember when the Cloud Princess was interrogating them and
wiping their brains and shit, like they knew stuff. But
(18:25):
I think it seems like mostly it's the courtisans that
get brainwiped more often than anything.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, I'm curious about the one that's living with day
Song because they keep including here a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
So I'm like, she thinks and she's involved in very
like deep state secret conversations with Day Like he's like, oh, well,
we know the knowledge of the universe, we know how
to tell the future kind of shit. Yeah, like she
knows things. And honestly, like I feel like mistresses and
(19:00):
and and courtissans and and partners and the people who
share a bed with rulers are privy to a lot
of like state secrets just as like kind of like
a job hazard.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, and brother Dusk last episode made a point to
be like six months is long enough? Need to memory?
Why not? Oh sorry, And they included that in the
(19:36):
recap for this episode just so this makes me think,
like it's meaningful that, Yeah, he's knowing all this stuff,
what's going on days? Carrying that ferret around you?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
He takes it with him. And then they made a
point for when Dusk came to visit that he stared
at the ferret again. Yeah, so the ferret's getting a
lot of airtime.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I was just watching a l night show where Lee Pace,
who plays brother Day, was on it and they were
showing photos of the ferrets. I'm like, oh, I guess
this ferret's going to be around for more of the episodes.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, you get a lot of airtime. I'm telling you.
I like this is off topic, but I like that
marriage is no longer like a thing. Yeah, what is
everybody doing? Do you think it's like polyamory or like
voluntary celibacy where you take like an a Welcome to
(20:31):
the Monkey House where you take a pill and it
just makes you numb from the waist down, or nineteen
eighty four like where it's just like nothing's happening.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I mean, I don't know about that, but I feel
like all options are on the table, Like you can
be monogamous or polyamorous or not amorous at all. But
I don't know, there's not like a legal status of
marriage or have to dig into how the law would
work with all their parenting rights and stuff. Yeah, and
I'm sure first across the galaxy too, they talk about
(21:03):
thousands of worlds.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, but the Pleasure Planet marriage thing, which.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I give of course. Yeah, like all marriages are void
when you get there.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, it's like that Love Island or that Perfect Match
or some reality TV show bullshit.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You know, any other thoughts, feelings, proclamations about this episode.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Not necessarily, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Then it is time to choose who is a standout
character in the episode?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Astral Queen? Who was the standout character in the episode?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Man, I don't know who are you going to pick?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, I'm trying to think. I mean, it's not like
there is any big incidents going on or anything.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
No.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I was really happy to see Gaile again because I
missed her last time, but I don't like things just
kind of happened to her, and for the end where
she's contacting Empire, but I don't know what that's about.
The Merza wasn't doing much and this was getting talked
about more than doing anything. Brother Day was having fun,
Brother Dusk was interesting but kind of evil.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, and then that guy that was with him, He's like,
I'm gonna be known as the guy who gave you.
Why would you be happy about that?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Weirdo? And Harry Selden, you know he's bailed on Gail.
I don't know, so I think I want to use
other day for raising that ferret and living life.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Living life.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I'm gonna Pickture.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh that nerd Oh. He did have a good He
was the most quotable of the of the episode. I
did like his quote where he's like speaking truth to power. Yeah,
I'm gonna go with him, even though he was like
in it for like a second, but that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah,
hopefully I'm really excited about their sting operation too.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, I say, hopefully we see their party next episode. Yeah.
All right, well that is our astro queens then, so
I don't think I have anything for the spoiler sections.
I will be the end of the podcast for today
the next episode only, Season three, episode three. When a
book finds you, you read.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It, maybe I'll listen to the audio book.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, Zode, thank you for spacing out with us. And
what's a good quote from the episode.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't have a list of quotes, otherwise I'd give
you the one from my astro queen. I do miss,
I do miss the classic.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Quote respect and enjoy the piece.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, I haven't heard that one in a while because
they've lost their respect and they don't got no peace.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
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