May 30, 2025 • 22 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to spacing out with BB and Jason this week
covering Foundation season two episode four, where the Stars are
Scattered thinly.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You ready?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good for insertion?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to spacing now.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm Bb and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a time.
Spoiler free. This is our first time watching through the series,
so we're not watching ahead or anything. We won't have
any spoilers at all. The show's Foundation season two episode four,
where the Stars are Scattered Thinly. This originally aired on
(00:41):
August fourth, twenty twenty three. Written by lay Danna Jackson
and David Skoyer and directed by mark Ton Duray. In
this episode, Sarah and Don bond over their mutual suspicions
regarding the assassination attempts on their families. Rio's and Glewyn
meet informant Duken Bar Swinna learning about the Magicians and
(01:02):
their links to the Foundation before escaping an angry mob,
with Bar poisoning himself to avoid capture. On Terminus, Polly
Constant and Hober meet Harry Selden, who or does the
clerics to seek peace with the Imperium while giving Malow
a secret mission. Meanwhile, Sarah secretly investigates her family's desks
with the help of a palace clavenger. I had to
look up clavager. It's a key bear or custodian.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Five check. Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
So would you like it?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Eh? It was all right. Stuff happened and it wasn't
super duper confusing this time, so it was better than
other episodes for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I thought it was enjoyable. It was fairly light. Yeah,
the tone is definitely getting a little lighter in the show.
We're finding a little more balance with that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And I liked that the action sequences with those guys
on that one planet where they were fighting. That was
really fun. Something happened.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, we got some some fights and some new space travel.
It's also very like flirty episode.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I guess, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, I enjoyed it. I don't know that it's like
going to be a standout episode or anything. But also,
notably did not have our two main women in it. Yeah,
that was minus a voiceover.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I really missed them, and they're unenthusiastic tempistry.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But just going off the screenshot that shows up for
the next episode, it looked like it was going to feature.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Them trivia time, What facts or news could we uncover
for where the stars are scattered?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Finlay trivia? Our director Mark Tanderai, someone who has a
long radio career, but has also directed some horror films
including Hush House, at the End of the Street and Spell.
So when I read that, I wondered if we were
going to be in for like a horror type episode,
But not so much. It's a pretty bright episode. TV
credits also include Gotham Man doctor who Oh. Then the
(03:03):
book they pick up and open from the do some
bars bookshelf is the streemad bag of a dad Gita,
the Hindu religious scripture written in Sanskrit. That's all the
trivia I had for this, So we can move on.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us
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on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Where do you want to go first?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I don't remember how the episode started.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I'm pretty sure we started at the palace with the
cloud Queen and the young Emperor, Is that right?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I don't remember if it was with the spaceship and
Marshmallow waking up, but either.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
That might Yeah, no, that is that is where we started.
We started with the.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I'm coming out of hyperdrive.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I was confused. The first note I wrote just
said flirtation and that wasn't specific enough because I was
talking about hober Mallow and what's her name, not Polly,
her name is Constant because she's really into him.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
She really is. She's like thirsty for him. Yeah, in
a way that's like uncouth.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Even in that first scene, like he said something and
just like did this loud giggle.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, tone it down, girl, but also like respect because
like sometimes, like I hate to do this, women tend
to be very coy and indirect with their flirting and
dudes don't get it. It goes over their head. The
signals aren't matching up and they think, Oh, she's really
(04:47):
nice and it's not like, oh, she likes me and
wants my dep which is what the vibe she's giving
off right now is very thirsty.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, And at the end of the episode, he's very direct, like, oh,
I thought we were going to go on this trip
together and we were gonna consummate for.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Her words, and I'm sure he was like, oh, Okay,
she went there, but yeah, she's thirsty and the only
thing that can satisfy her thirst this Marshmallow or herber Murru,
I don't know his name. And then they like they
(05:30):
take his ass to the triangle or whatever it is
the vault and no resistance from him at all until
they finally revealed that the last guy that approached it
was turned into ash and then he's like what the fuck? Wait? Yeah,
but then he still goes in.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I mean, I think he didn't feel like he had
a choice to get away.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I feel like in the vault it was very basic
and boring, Like the only part that was kind of
interesting was when finally Celdic showed up. And I feel
like when they came in after two days of being
alone and freaked out, the energy from Hobermellow should have
been like way more chaotic, way more desperate. Like if
(06:13):
I haven't seen two people and I was stuck inside
of it like an eternal abyss, I'd be freaked out.
I'd be like, oh my god, what the fuck where
have you been?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, he gets over it really quickly. Yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
What did you think about the abyss or the vault?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah? I mean I didn't feel too much about the inside.
It felt like a stage or something.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, and I feel like this Feldar or whatever his
name is, he seems more like evil, right.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, he's like sinister. Yeah, he's playing like the role
of the god.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, he's really leaning in.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, and he's like trying. He's like doing things the
maintain control. That's why he fried that guy.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Creepy, creepy, creepy, creepy, creepy. I didn't like that at all.
I felt like alarm bells should have gone off, but
because the religious people were so religious, they didn't care.
And then the one skeptic stayed back and got a
separate mission that he was totally into because he got
called the Blade.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, and it seems to be just going along with it,
not trying to run away as far as we can tell.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, I feel like there's got to be like an
angle here. There's gotta be one because this guy's a
con man, not just because he wants to thrust. I
could not get over that line.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
We got thrusting, we've got insertion.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh my god, why was that the most homorotic interaction
when we literally had two gay men in a scene
together who were partners, so it's not like, oh, we
don't know each other, we're going to be respectable weird.
I really wish that there was a kiss before they
went on their little AirPod mission, just a quick like
(08:08):
good luck, babe peck or something. But I guess they're
trying to show us how they're a little bit disjointed.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah they are. There's there's a lot of friction there.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Oh maybe they just they don't kiss in the workplace.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't believe that. I really don't. I've seen coworkers
hold hands and eat together and be very like canoodlely
googly googly love. I've seen a lot. Okay, I used
when I worked as a security guard. I even't seen
them go to the parking lot and bang went out,
(08:43):
so I'd be excited to go to work. I don't know,
but I thought it was interesting that part of the
lore is that people don't see books often.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, so there's we've gotten definitely like pieces of this
idea that they have restricted technology in this universe, and
you would think that would mean like more books. We
saw books on like the library, the Emperor's Library on Tranter,
or Seldon's Library or something. Yeah, And then.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But he's like an elite, right, so he has access
and privilege. So it was interesting to see a home library.
And it's kind of sad because the guy died, so
you don't know what's going to happen to those books
with that Really like ignorant population, no offense. I think
ignorant people are obviously capable of like learning and subcombing
(09:31):
or nots upcombing to the ignorance, I guess, but persevering
and advancing and all that. But it's hard to believe
that the house was so nice too. Holy shit, I
would love to live in that house. Yeah, it was
so nice with those high ceilings and the adobe white walls,
oh my god, and the plants and the books. It
(09:53):
was like idyllic. And he was a fucking royalist wh
would be sending messages to the Empire even though the
Empire never responded, And like, you like this guy, but
then you think, is he worth liking for being somebody
who's kind of like a class trader, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I don't know. I mean, because he it's hard to
get a read on him, like where obviously he has
loyalties to the empire if he's sending him stuff, but
he also seems to acknowledge that like the Empire harmed
their world by leaving coming there and then harmed them
by leaving.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, so it's hard to say like where he stands
with the Empire, even though he was like dedicated to
informing them, so on some level he was aligning himself
with them, and he died with them. So it's just
very interesting. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, I was surprised that they were shocked by books.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, that was really interesting, and I think that's a
like really good way to kind of understand life in
the outreach or life even in this galaxy, in this area.
Because the guy who said he'd never seen a book
is somebody who you know, lived within the higher realm
(11:12):
of the Empire. He was a military class, respected individual. Yeah,
and you would have guessed that maybe semi educated, but
never seen a book. So it's very interesting and the
book he I love the gesture of giving him the book,
letting him keep it, even though it's like you'll never
learn how to read this and you'll probably just enjoy
(11:34):
the pretty pictures.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah. Then also like they had to kill amount for that,
so you take as many books as you want for real.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I thought it was really cool that they could travel
in their spacesuits. They didn't need to be in a
ship or anything. They just like got zooted out. That
was cool. I think the technology here is so interesting.
On one part, you've never seen a book. On the
other part, you're wearing this highly advanced mechanical suit that
lets you be transported through space. Crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, And then they talked about what did they say,
like some sort of technology was banned centuries ago AI,
something to do with Selden's.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, AI technology like uh least something about artificial intelligence, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Something along those lines. And then we also know that
there used to be robots and those for the most
part don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah. Like Cloud Queen, I love her and I i'd.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Have her back this time.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I missed her pigments. Yeah that always that like elevates
her look and makes her look so futuristic and like queenly.
But today she's like, no, I'm gonna take it off.
She like really beared it out, like she she explained
it to us like we were fucking stupid, And part
of me was like, why did you do that? Why
did you explain it when we could have just seen it,
(13:00):
but they were like, no, I'm taking off my makeup,
so he feels like I'm being vulnerable and it's like, girl,
you're giving away all our secrets.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Don't you think they're listening.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, but apparently they have like technology so that it
muffles them or something, and then they were able to
recuperate memory, which means that that concubine lady definitely remembered
sleeping with that old man.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, and that was a weird thing because he's like,
do you want to go watch the porn we made
that you don't remember because I watch it all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Back in my day, we used to memory wipe the concubines.
Now my grandson is a marrying one. But she's really
determined to figure out whether or not her succession had
anything to do with like some sort of planned attack,
which I never even thought about because I didn't know
(13:58):
the circumstances of her coming into power, which would have
been interesting to see. It would have been cool to
know this royal family in season one and then see
them die in a horrible accident. That's how you build
emotion and depth of character.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I don't know well, yeah, she's he's on her own
mission to figure this out. And then I'm not sure
what she'll do, like if she finds out that brother
Day did orchestrate the death of her family to manipulate
her into being his wife, And I'm not sure if
she might still go through with it, but be because
she really implies like she's not the weak one that
(14:38):
he thinks she is.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I think what she wants to do is kill him. Yeah,
And I think that's another reason why she's trying to
find out how he wasn't assassinated successfully, so that she
can learn from others' mistakes. So I think she might
go through with it. It doesn't mean, if anything, that
gets her closer to him. Yeah, And uh, I think
(15:01):
we're on the cusp of her maybe finding out that
Day's step mom girlfriend is a robot, because if they
watch that footage, it's going to show her getting her
head sliced open. And still, oh.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Really, yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, And then I don't know, I thought that was
really clever that she's like, I don't know why we
didn't get courted together. When she was talking to Dawn,
She's like, it makes more sense. In my opinion, and
I think she's like flirting with him and being very
like Coquette.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, this whole thing like plays out like Porno with
all these like step family and like, oh, you guys
are the same person.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So it's it's not cheaty.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I don't know, very interesting. I like her arc. I'm
really interested to see what she finds out and I
hope she gets justice. I'm tired of Day. I'm really
tired of Day. He wasn't even in the episode, I know,
even implying like talking days like exhausting, such a like
pompous asshole, Who are we all done? Do you want
(16:07):
to talk about astro queen?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
See if I missed anything? Like there was like a
lot more humor in the episode now, I think we
can start to expect that now if they brought in
more characters and more dynamics.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, I will see. It's definitely lighter. Not that I
don't like heavy things, I do, but I think there
has to be a balance, and I feel like the
show to me is still not there yet. It's like
trying really well, like trying and showing like I think
the world building is coming across a little bit more slowly.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I'm just curious to see what happens next, which is good.
I think it's just like last season was so hard
to follow.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, I feel like I'm keeping up with it now. Yeah,
I don't have to feel as dumb.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, And I kind of wish they would bring some
of the stuff up from last season into this season,
like that Salt place. Yeah, that would be interesting to
see what they're up to now, like get a check
in with them and see what happened after Empire kind
of turned the world around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah. That's just one of the things that does not
work well for this show, wouldn't it, Because that was
such a meaningful experience for the brother day of last
season to go through that and find like I basically
don't have a.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Soul, Yeah, and just leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Just like that really is like stripped him down and
impacted him, and that place is also very meaningful for Demersal,
and we kind of just leave all that behind. We
have the characters are same but different.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, it's weird. I don't know how I feel about that.
I wish we had a little bit of closure with that.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, But I think as we've seen from what I've read,
like there's a bit of course correction with this season
that they don't jumped through time like they did all
last season. And the show was also continued its tradition
of showing us men's butts.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Oh yeah, that was random, just in the garden. Yeah,
like just a nude man. I wonder if it's one
of the concubines for day Maybe it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Episode, Astral Queen.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I'm gonna give it to the general. The general, Yeah
for what for getting back on the horse? No, wait,
to his girlfriend, I mean boyfriend, to his boyfriend, for
not just standing by his man, but also correcting him
and saying to be wise enough to question it. Like
going into war. You don't go in blind. You question
(18:47):
the sority.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, and keep yappuff, communicate, give me a glance.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah yeah I like that. Yeah. So him, I don't
know his name, his name.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I don't know how to say it. Well, delaywin.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
What is he in the Lord of the Rings? No,
but he he was, you know, he was with his partner.
He's he's like, hey, you got to warn me. You
gotta give me like a signal if you're going to
start knocking bitches out, and you know he's tending to
his wounds. He's still on board with the plan. But
(19:23):
he's a question authority bro. And he got a free
book and he'd never seen one before. So hats off
to seeing your first book and then getting it. Wow,
what a treat you.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Think he'll get in trouble for having it?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I don't know. Is it that kind of place?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Is it a thing that like they just don't exist
because they're like an archaic technology, or they don't exist
because they're banned right, like it's and plus it's in sanscript.
Who reads sanscript in this world? I barely know anybody
in like, you know, my circle that knows sanscript like that,
especially ancient Sanskri. Yeah, what about you? Who's your standout character?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I'm trying to choose between Queen Sarah and Constant.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Do you like a thirsty, like forward bitch or do
you like a bitch that's being thirsted after who's manipulative?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
She was good at manipulating? Yeah, I Constant? Yeah, that
guy really Like I think the Queen is really in
control of this episode.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, and her shoulder blades were sharp today in that
backless dress, and the woods look good. She's a skinny legend.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, she's She's definitely among the strongest characters in the show.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, we're is saying a lot considering how many fucking
characters there are.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Right, they can't even get them all in one episode anymore.
We got to like trade off storylines. Yeah, so next
time we'll have probably a brother day and then and
Salvor the mother daughter team and Harry who's a human.
I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh yeah, he's human.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So yeah, those are astral queens. They will receive their
rewards as soon as we can figure out where they
are or when they are or when they are.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Oh, we should include a packet of pigments for their pleasure.
What is with seven pigments? Man, it's like there's a
whole pigment story arc because it's happening through all the seasons.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
They love that stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh, speaking of pigments, remember that guy, that monk who
snorted that stuff when they right right before they landed.
Do they have cocaine in this world? What was that Rhinohorn?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I mean, I think we're led to believe it's at
least something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, and then when he meets Selden, he's like, I'm
not drinking wine. I'm cool. So he's like turning no,
were a new leave for something? What's up with that
quickness for quitters?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And they're also like, you better hide that fancy old
line from him.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
All right. That wraps up our coverage for this episode.
The next one is called The Sighted and the Scene.
We will be back to cover that. Thank you for
spacing out with us. I remember, by the time you
recognize an atrocity, you may have been complicit in one already.
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season two, episode five, Decided and the Scene
Welcome to spacing out with BB and Jason this week
covering Foundation season two episode four, where the Stars are
Scattered thinly.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You ready?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good for insertion?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to spacing now.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm Bb and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Apple TV sci fi series Foundation, one episode at a time.
Spoiler free. This is our first time watching through the series,
so we're not watching ahead or anything. We won't have
any spoilers at all. The show's Foundation season two episode four,
where the Stars are Scattered Thinly. This originally aired on
(00:41):
August fourth, twenty twenty three. Written by lay Danna Jackson
and David Skoyer and directed by mark Ton Duray. In
this episode, Sarah and Don bond over their mutual suspicions
regarding the assassination attempts on their families. Rio's and Glewyn
meet informant Duken Bar Swinna learning about the Magicians and
(01:02):
their links to the Foundation before escaping an angry mob,
with Bar poisoning himself to avoid capture. On Terminus, Polly
Constant and Hober meet Harry Selden, who or does the
clerics to seek peace with the Imperium while giving Malow
a secret mission. Meanwhile, Sarah secretly investigates her family's desks
with the help of a palace clavenger. I had to
look up clavager. It's a key bear or custodian.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Five check. Did we like the episode overall?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
So would you like it?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Eh? It was all right. Stuff happened and it wasn't
super duper confusing this time, so it was better than
other episodes for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I thought it was enjoyable. It was fairly light. Yeah,
the tone is definitely getting a little lighter in the show.
We're finding a little more balance with that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And I liked that the action sequences with those guys
on that one planet where they were fighting. That was
really fun. Something happened.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, we got some some fights and some new space travel.
It's also very like flirty episode.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I guess, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, I enjoyed it. I don't know that it's like
going to be a standout episode or anything. But also,
notably did not have our two main women in it. Yeah,
that was minus a voiceover.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I really missed them, and they're unenthusiastic tempistry.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
But just going off the screenshot that shows up for
the next episode, it looked like it was going to feature.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Them trivia time, What facts or news could we uncover
for where the stars are scattered?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Finlay trivia? Our director Mark Tanderai, someone who has a
long radio career, but has also directed some horror films
including Hush House, at the End of the Street and Spell.
So when I read that, I wondered if we were
going to be in for like a horror type episode,
But not so much. It's a pretty bright episode. TV
credits also include Gotham Man doctor who Oh. Then the
(03:03):
book they pick up and open from the do some
bars bookshelf is the streemad bag of a dad Gita,
the Hindu religious scripture written in Sanskrit. That's all the
trivia I had for this, So we can move on.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Deep space dive. Let's break down some of our thoughts
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Speaker 3 (03:32):
Where do you want to go first?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I don't remember how the episode started.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I'm pretty sure we started at the palace with the
cloud Queen and the young Emperor, Is that right?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I don't remember if it was with the spaceship and
Marshmallow waking up, but either.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
That might Yeah, no, that is that is where we started.
We started with the.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I'm coming out of hyperdrive.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I was confused. The first note I wrote just
said flirtation and that wasn't specific enough because I was
talking about hober Mallow and what's her name, not Polly,
her name is Constant because she's really into him.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
She really is. She's like thirsty for him. Yeah, in
a way that's like uncouth.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Even in that first scene, like he said something and
just like did this loud giggle.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, tone it down, girl, but also like respect because
like sometimes, like I hate to do this, women tend
to be very coy and indirect with their flirting and
dudes don't get it. It goes over their head. The
signals aren't matching up and they think, Oh, she's really
(04:47):
nice and it's not like, oh, she likes me and
wants my dep which is what the vibe she's giving
off right now is very thirsty.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, And at the end of the episode, he's very direct, like, oh,
I thought we were going to go on this trip
together and we were gonna consummate for.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Her words, and I'm sure he was like, oh, Okay,
she went there, but yeah, she's thirsty and the only
thing that can satisfy her thirst this Marshmallow or herber Murru,
I don't know his name. And then they like they
(05:30):
take his ass to the triangle or whatever it is
the vault and no resistance from him at all until
they finally revealed that the last guy that approached it
was turned into ash and then he's like what the fuck? Wait? Yeah,
but then he still goes in.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I mean, I think he didn't feel like he had
a choice to get away.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I feel like in the vault it was very basic
and boring, Like the only part that was kind of
interesting was when finally Celdic showed up. And I feel
like when they came in after two days of being
alone and freaked out, the energy from Hobermellow should have
been like way more chaotic, way more desperate. Like if
(06:13):
I haven't seen two people and I was stuck inside
of it like an eternal abyss, I'd be freaked out.
I'd be like, oh my god, what the fuck where
have you been?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, he gets over it really quickly. Yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
What did you think about the abyss or the vault?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah? I mean I didn't feel too much about the inside.
It felt like a stage or something.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, and I feel like this Feldar or whatever his
name is, he seems more like evil, right.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, he's like sinister. Yeah, he's playing like the role
of the god.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, he's really leaning in.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, and he's like trying. He's like doing things the
maintain control. That's why he fried that guy.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Creepy, creepy, creepy, creepy, creepy. I didn't like that at all.
I felt like alarm bells should have gone off, but
because the religious people were so religious, they didn't care.
And then the one skeptic stayed back and got a
separate mission that he was totally into because he got
called the Blade.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, and it seems to be just going along with it,
not trying to run away as far as we can tell.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, I feel like there's got to be like an
angle here. There's gotta be one because this guy's a
con man, not just because he wants to thrust. I
could not get over that line.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
We got thrusting, we've got insertion.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh my god, why was that the most homorotic interaction
when we literally had two gay men in a scene
together who were partners, so it's not like, oh, we
don't know each other, we're going to be respectable weird.
I really wish that there was a kiss before they
went on their little AirPod mission, just a quick like
(08:08):
good luck, babe peck or something. But I guess they're
trying to show us how they're a little bit disjointed.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah they are. There's there's a lot of friction there.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Oh maybe they just they don't kiss in the workplace.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't believe that. I really don't. I've seen coworkers
hold hands and eat together and be very like canoodlely
googly googly love. I've seen a lot. Okay, I used
when I worked as a security guard. I even't seen
them go to the parking lot and bang went out,
(08:43):
so I'd be excited to go to work. I don't know,
but I thought it was interesting that part of the
lore is that people don't see books often.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, so there's we've gotten definitely like pieces of this
idea that they have restricted technology in this universe, and
you would think that would mean like more books. We
saw books on like the library, the Emperor's Library on Tranter,
or Seldon's Library or something. Yeah, And then.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But he's like an elite, right, so he has access
and privilege. So it was interesting to see a home library.
And it's kind of sad because the guy died, so
you don't know what's going to happen to those books
with that Really like ignorant population, no offense. I think
ignorant people are obviously capable of like learning and subcombing
(09:31):
or nots upcombing to the ignorance, I guess, but persevering
and advancing and all that. But it's hard to believe
that the house was so nice too. Holy shit, I
would love to live in that house. Yeah, it was
so nice with those high ceilings and the adobe white walls,
oh my god, and the plants and the books. It
(09:53):
was like idyllic. And he was a fucking royalist wh
would be sending messages to the Empire even though the
Empire never responded, And like, you like this guy, but
then you think, is he worth liking for being somebody
who's kind of like a class trader, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I don't know. I mean, because he it's hard to
get a read on him, like where obviously he has
loyalties to the empire if he's sending him stuff, but
he also seems to acknowledge that like the Empire harmed
their world by leaving coming there and then harmed them
by leaving.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, so it's hard to say like where he stands
with the Empire, even though he was like dedicated to
informing them, so on some level he was aligning himself
with them, and he died with them. So it's just
very interesting. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, I was surprised that they were shocked by books.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, that was really interesting, and I think that's a
like really good way to kind of understand life in
the outreach or life even in this galaxy, in this area.
Because the guy who said he'd never seen a book
is somebody who you know, lived within the higher realm
(11:12):
of the Empire. He was a military class, respected individual. Yeah,
and you would have guessed that maybe semi educated, but
never seen a book. So it's very interesting and the
book he I love the gesture of giving him the book,
letting him keep it, even though it's like you'll never
learn how to read this and you'll probably just enjoy
(11:34):
the pretty pictures.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah. Then also like they had to kill amount for that,
so you take as many books as you want for real.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I thought it was really cool that they could travel
in their spacesuits. They didn't need to be in a
ship or anything. They just like got zooted out. That
was cool. I think the technology here is so interesting.
On one part, you've never seen a book. On the
other part, you're wearing this highly advanced mechanical suit that
lets you be transported through space. Crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, And then they talked about what did they say,
like some sort of technology was banned centuries ago AI,
something to do with Selden's.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, AI technology like uh least something about artificial intelligence, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Something along those lines. And then we also know that
there used to be robots and those for the most
part don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah. Like Cloud Queen, I love her and I i'd.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Have her back this time.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I missed her pigments. Yeah that always that like elevates
her look and makes her look so futuristic and like queenly.
But today she's like, no, I'm gonna take it off.
She like really beared it out, like she she explained
it to us like we were fucking stupid, And part
of me was like, why did you do that? Why
did you explain it when we could have just seen it,
(13:00):
but they were like, no, I'm taking off my makeup,
so he feels like I'm being vulnerable and it's like, girl,
you're giving away all our secrets.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Don't you think they're listening.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, but apparently they have like technology so that it
muffles them or something, and then they were able to
recuperate memory, which means that that concubine lady definitely remembered
sleeping with that old man.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, and that was a weird thing because he's like,
do you want to go watch the porn we made
that you don't remember because I watch it all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Back in my day, we used to memory wipe the concubines.
Now my grandson is a marrying one. But she's really
determined to figure out whether or not her succession had
anything to do with like some sort of planned attack,
which I never even thought about because I didn't know
(13:58):
the circumstances of her coming into power, which would have
been interesting to see. It would have been cool to
know this royal family in season one and then see
them die in a horrible accident. That's how you build
emotion and depth of character.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I don't know well, yeah, she's he's on her own
mission to figure this out. And then I'm not sure
what she'll do, like if she finds out that brother
Day did orchestrate the death of her family to manipulate
her into being his wife, And I'm not sure if
she might still go through with it, but be because
she really implies like she's not the weak one that
(14:38):
he thinks she is.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I think what she wants to do is kill him. Yeah,
And I think that's another reason why she's trying to
find out how he wasn't assassinated successfully, so that she
can learn from others' mistakes. So I think she might
go through with it. It doesn't mean, if anything, that
gets her closer to him. Yeah, And uh, I think
(15:01):
we're on the cusp of her maybe finding out that
Day's step mom girlfriend is a robot, because if they
watch that footage, it's going to show her getting her
head sliced open. And still, oh.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Really, yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, And then I don't know, I thought that was
really clever that she's like, I don't know why we
didn't get courted together. When she was talking to Dawn,
She's like, it makes more sense. In my opinion, and
I think she's like flirting with him and being very
like Coquette.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, this whole thing like plays out like Porno with
all these like step family and like, oh, you guys
are the same person.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So it's it's not cheaty.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I don't know, very interesting. I like her arc. I'm
really interested to see what she finds out and I
hope she gets justice. I'm tired of Day. I'm really
tired of Day. He wasn't even in the episode, I know,
even implying like talking days like exhausting, such a like
pompous asshole, Who are we all done? Do you want
(16:07):
to talk about astro queen?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
See if I missed anything? Like there was like a
lot more humor in the episode now, I think we
can start to expect that now if they brought in
more characters and more dynamics.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yeah, I will see. It's definitely lighter. Not that I
don't like heavy things, I do, but I think there
has to be a balance, and I feel like the
show to me is still not there yet. It's like
trying really well, like trying and showing like I think
the world building is coming across a little bit more slowly.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I'm just curious to see what happens next, which is good.
I think it's just like last season was so hard
to follow.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, I feel like I'm keeping up with it now. Yeah,
I don't have to feel as dumb.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, And I kind of wish they would bring some
of the stuff up from last season into this season,
like that Salt place. Yeah, that would be interesting to
see what they're up to now, like get a check
in with them and see what happened after Empire kind
of turned the world around a little bit.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah. That's just one of the things that does not
work well for this show, wouldn't it, Because that was
such a meaningful experience for the brother day of last
season to go through that and find like I basically
don't have a.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Soul, Yeah, and just leave it at that.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Just like that really is like stripped him down and
impacted him, and that place is also very meaningful for Demersal,
and we kind of just leave all that behind. We
have the characters are same but different.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, it's weird. I don't know how I feel about that.
I wish we had a little bit of closure with that.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, But I think as we've seen from what I've read,
like there's a bit of course correction with this season
that they don't jumped through time like they did all
last season. And the show was also continued its tradition
of showing us men's butts.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Oh yeah, that was random, just in the garden. Yeah,
like just a nude man. I wonder if it's one
of the concubines for day Maybe it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Episode, Astral Queen.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I'm gonna give it to the general. The general, Yeah
for what for getting back on the horse? No, wait,
to his girlfriend, I mean boyfriend, to his boyfriend, for
not just standing by his man, but also correcting him
and saying to be wise enough to question it. Like
going into war. You don't go in blind. You question
(18:47):
the sority.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, and keep yappuff, communicate, give me a glance.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah yeah I like that. Yeah. So him, I don't
know his name, his name.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I don't know how to say it. Well, delaywin.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
What is he in the Lord of the Rings? No,
but he he was, you know, he was with his partner.
He's he's like, hey, you got to warn me. You
gotta give me like a signal if you're going to
start knocking bitches out, and you know he's tending to
his wounds. He's still on board with the plan. But
(19:23):
he's a question authority bro. And he got a free
book and he'd never seen one before. So hats off
to seeing your first book and then getting it. Wow,
what a treat you.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Think he'll get in trouble for having it?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I don't know. Is it that kind of place?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Is it a thing that like they just don't exist
because they're like an archaic technology, or they don't exist
because they're banned right, like it's and plus it's in sanscript.
Who reads sanscript in this world? I barely know anybody
in like, you know, my circle that knows sanscript like that,
especially ancient Sanskri. Yeah, what about you? Who's your standout character?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
I'm trying to choose between Queen Sarah and Constant.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Do you like a thirsty, like forward bitch or do
you like a bitch that's being thirsted after who's manipulative?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
She was good at manipulating? Yeah, I Constant? Yeah, that
guy really Like I think the Queen is really in
control of this episode.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, and her shoulder blades were sharp today in that
backless dress, and the woods look good. She's a skinny legend.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, she's She's definitely among the strongest characters in the show.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, we're is saying a lot considering how many fucking
characters there are.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Right, they can't even get them all in one episode anymore.
We got to like trade off storylines. Yeah, so next
time we'll have probably a brother day and then and
Salvor the mother daughter team and Harry who's a human.
I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Oh yeah, he's human.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So yeah, those are astral queens. They will receive their
rewards as soon as we can figure out where they
are or when they are or when they are.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Oh, we should include a packet of pigments for their pleasure.
What is with seven pigments? Man, it's like there's a
whole pigment story arc because it's happening through all the seasons.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
They love that stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh, speaking of pigments, remember that guy, that monk who
snorted that stuff when they right right before they landed.
Do they have cocaine in this world? What was that Rhinohorn?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I mean, I think we're led to believe it's at
least something like that.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, and then when he meets Selden, he's like, I'm
not drinking wine. I'm cool. So he's like turning no,
were a new leave for something? What's up with that
quickness for quitters?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
And they're also like, you better hide that fancy old
line from him.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
All right. That wraps up our coverage for this episode.
The next one is called The Sighted and the Scene.
We will be back to cover that. Thank you for
spacing out with us. I remember, by the time you
recognize an atrocity, you may have been complicit in one already.
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