"IRANIAN REGIME MUST BE DESTROYED!"

"IRANIAN REGIME MUST BE DESTROYED!"

SPECIAL GUEST: IRAN EXPERT KEN TIMMERMAN

Episode Transcript

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This is Special Prosecutor Larry Clayman.I'm the only lawyer ever to obtain a
court ruling that a president of theUnited States committed a crime for truth for
competition. As a young lawyer,I help break up at and T.
That's why you have all your cellphones today. For sovereignty, for the
republic. I'm the guy who atJudicial Watch, which I founded, uncovered
the China Gate scandal. Millions ofdollars going to the Clinton campaign corrupting our

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political system were the privacy of citizens. And I'm the only guy who have
enjoyed the National Security Agency from masssurveillance on hundreds of millions of Americans hearing
it. I'm the son of meatpackers in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I know
had a slice and dice. You'rebringing it that we're going to take this
country apart and put it back togetheragain in the way envisioned by our founding
fathers. It's not just to We'renot just regurgitating stories, Larry claiman Special

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Prosecutor is making the news, andnow here's Larry. Welcome to this week's
edition of Special Prosecutor with Larry Klaiman. Many things happening obviously that we're doing
here at freedom Watch and just inthe world in general. We're going to
have a very special guest on laterin this show. Can Timmerman, an
expert on Iran, a friend ofmine, and let me start with Iran.

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Is that we see what's going onwith the Middle East right now,
the Hoodies shutting down the Red Sea, shutting down the Persian Gulf, Iran
hijacking an American oil tanker and forcingit back to Iran. We are on
the verge of a larger war there. But the reason we're on the verge
of that larger war is because ourbrain dead criminal president Joe Biden has been

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very, very weak, and theysee this. So you talk about the
hoodies, who are the hooties soto speak. They're just you know,
two bit agents of the Iranian regime. And I've been saying it over and
over again, it's time that wetake out that Iranian regime. Now I'm
listening to you, Senator Lindsey Graham. Oh, let's bomb some oil depots

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or whatever you want. It's notenough. They've got nuclear weapons. You
bomb the nucletar sites, you takeout the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, you take
out the Supreme Leader, and thenyou go to Katar and you have the
Israelis do it, you take outthe leaders of a moss. We have
to do this surgically. You know, if you have cancer, you don't
mess around. You go in there, you take it all out, you

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qutterize it, you remove it.And now is the time to do it,
because Iran presumably does not have nuclearweapons. I think they may have
one or two, but we canhandle that. And it's a wider war
already. You're seeing gas prices goup and other prices go up. And
notwithstanding the geopolitical considerations of shutting downthe traffic in these key areas of the

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world where ships now have to goaround Cape Horn in An Africa to get
to their destination, this is harmingworld trade. So this is something I
want to discuss with Ken when hecomes on. We have worked together in
the past. I have brought lawsuitsagainst the Supreme Leader, against Iran,
against the Revolutionary Guard, for clientsthat I had who were killed at Avonne

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prison. One of them at Barmelhamedi, who was the first student leader in
modern history to call for regime change. He was imprisoned he was tortured and
his brother manager. We had acase number of years ago and Ken testified
along with the CIA director, theformer CI director in that case. That
case, it's a long story,and we'll deal with it another show.

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But this is what we're dealing withhere. We're dealing here with a threat
to the United States. The Iraniansare very, very sophisticated, but God
forbid they ever get a nuclear weapon, and now is the time to take
care of it now. Let's alsotalking about Donald Trump in his experience in
New York this week. The judgeobviously they didn't want them to speak.

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This is his fraud trial. Hegot up there, he said a few
words. Anyway, this is exemplary, and this is why it's important.
It's not just Trump. Whether inthe end he has fined four hundred million
and some four hundred million dollars plusand shut down to do business in New
York, that's the least of it. That's the least of the questions that

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are issued there. This tells yousomething about our legal system today, and
there are many other examples of it. The travesty of a mockery of a
sham of two travesties of a mockeryof the sham and the words of Woody
Allen, as I always says,there is no justice anymore in the courts
in a political context. There's nojustice with bar associations in DC or New

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York that are trying to eliminate conservativelawyers in the practice of law, including
yours. Truly, I've been fightingthem for years. They won't succeed,
but they're going after everybody. Trumpand everyone else in the legal system is
being turned on his head. Andit's perverted because primary anybody who supported Donald
Trump or thinks even kindly of him, who's a conservative activist, is going

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to be targeted. But it alsotells you about the legal system. This
judge thinks he can get away whateverhe wants to do. And even before
this trial began, he issued ajudgment that Trump and his sons had committed
fraud as well as the Trump organizationdidn't even give him a trial, you
know. And then you go overand you see what's happening in the District

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of Columbia with regard to J sixand these judges, whether they're Democrat or
Republican appointees, whether they were appointedby Clinton or Obama or George W.
Bush or now Biden and of courseTrump. They're all the same. They're
establishment judges and they want to crushanyone who would ever challenge the establishment.

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So even the peaceful protesters, andwe represent several of them. I also
have a class action in the U. S. District Court for the Northern
District of Florida that's going on rightnow. We speak over illegal surveillance,
which could wind up throwing out allthe prosecutions and all the convictions if we're
successful. The government has been forcedto admit that they were illegally surveilling January

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sixth protesters, gathering evidence to useagainst them. And now we find out
that the Justice Department isn't even stoppingwith those who were at the capital that
fateful day. Anyone who communicated withanyone who was at the capital now is
being hunted down, subject to investigationand potential indictment. Now why is that?

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Because we're going into an election season, and of course the Democrats and
the Biden regime don't want anyone torise up. They want to keep people
down. They want to keep criticismto an absolute minimum. They don't want
anyone like a Larry Kleiman or anyoneelse to be able to challenge them.
And consequently, this is a reignof terror that is being voisted on the

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American people to shut us up ina virtual dictatorship. And then, of
course you have the brain dead criminalpresident Joe Biden and his druggie criminal son
and his criminal brother who are beingexposed as the crime family and the complete
criminals. They are perhaps the biggestcriminals in the history of this country in
terms of anyone who occupied the Ovaloffice. Biden gives a speech this week

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telling everyone that Trump is evil,He's the equivalent of Adolf Hitler. People
that were January sixth are like theNazis. This is his only argument to
try to retain the presidency. Andof course why does he want to retain
the presidency primarily because that way hecontrols the Justice Department, and in that
way he assures that he won't beprosecuted, that his son Hunter will be

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let off the hook for his taxevasion and everything else with a slap on
the wrist, and his brother andthe rest of his family will go free,
including his lovely wife Jill, ofcourse, is a co conspirator in
all of this, and she's benefitedfrom the tens of nine hundreds of million
dollars that have been laundered through tothe Biden crime family from communists China,

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Russia, Ukraine and elsewhere. Soall of this is related. And you've
got a situation here in this countrywhere the American people are lied to on
a continual basis. And who isone of the biggest liars in American history,
Doctor Falci that we would call himdoctor Mangela. And this week he

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was in the news. He wasforced to admit that, in fact,
the social distancing that occurred in allthe masks in quarantining during the period of
the pandemic, which is still goingon, by the way that he made
that all up, there was noscientific evidence to do that. Armed kids
in terms of their education, armedbusiness, armed everyone, and yet didn't

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prevent COVID nineteen. He also pushedvaccines which were dangerous. We know they're
dangerous now anybody that takes them asliving in a different world. And Fauci
still out in the loose. Now, what has we done at Freedom Watches?
And this is why I need yourhelp, because we have started our
own system of justice because we don'thave justice with our alleged government, our

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corrupt government. We indicted Biden fora briberry from communist Ukraine. In Russia,
we tried him, we convicted him, We got a sentence of twenty
years. We tried Fauci the sameway, we got a sentence of life.
These sentences need to be carried out. And we are petitioning law enforcement
all around the country, sheriffs andpolice chiefs. Because the new Speaker of

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the House, Mike Johnson, wouldn'tsend over the Capitol Police to arrest them.
We petitioned him to do It.Tells you something about Mike Johnson presents
a nice image, a nice guythat he's no different than Kevin McCarthy and
the rest of the clowns in CapitolHill. Now talk about the clowns on
Capitol Hill. We saw a publicitystunt earlier in this week Biden. One

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of the committees run by James Comerwas going to hold Hunter Biden in contempt
for not showing up for his depositionbehind closed doors. That was going to
be a vote out of the committee. It ultimately did get voted out of
the committee, but Hunter Biden's lawyer, Abby Lowell, who I call Abby
Normal, shows up with Hunter Bidenand offers to testify. Of course,

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Hunter Biden didn't want to testify.I'd have to take the Fifth Amendment.
He's got two criminal charges against him. But they make a monkey out of
the Republicans and they get there andthey say, Okay, we're willing to
testify. We're willing to do whateveryou want. And they knew that the
Republicans wouldn't take them up on theoffer. In fact, the only Republican
congressman that had any guts was NancyMace, who, there was some humor

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to it, suggested that Hunter Bidenbe arrested on the spot. Not a
bad idea, but that was notgoing to happen. The Republicans are for
show, they're not for Doe.So you've got this evil force on the
left with Biden, brain dead,criminal rubber stamping with the socialists, the
communists and the atheists and other radicalideologies want and you got a Republican party

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that does things for show, promisingthat they're going to impeach Biden, promising
they're going to impeach the Secretary ofHomeland Security majorc is. They have no
intention. It's all basically political andit's meant to weaken Biden going into the
election in twenty twenty four. Andlo and behold, if the Republicans win,
what are you going to get?You're going to get the same thing

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you got last time. They'll donothing. And even if Trump wins,
you know, and you know,I have always been support of Trump in
my personal capacity, what are yougoing to get there? He's not even
charge. The deep state will bein charge. They tried to destroy him.
The president is simply a figurehead.So it's time for me, we
the American people, to rise upand do it for ourselves. Go to

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freedom Watch USA dot org. Contributeto our cause with tax deductible contributions.
We are your real justice department.You have no justice department to return the
rule of law to this country andeveryone needs to be held to account.
I'll be back in just a littlebit with Ken Timmerman. Listen carefully to
what he has to say about itwrong, because it's just the tip of

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the iceberg in the way our internationalscene is going to explode. We're already
in World War three, and godforbid, we don't take strong action.
Now we're going to be in anuclear holocaust. Stay tuned in the meantime,
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Special Prosecutor Larry Claiming. If you'dlike to support freedom Watch and this radio
show, go to FREEDOMWATCHUSA dot org. I'm very happy and proud to have
my friend and colleague and comrade inarms, Ken Timmerman on the show.
He is an expert on Iran.He's an expert, you know, an
international matters in particular. He hasa story maybe you could tell a little

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bit about it in your in thisfirst episode, how you were actually a
hostage at one point in the MiddleEast, so you've got that experience too.
But I want to get Ken's takeon what's going on with Iran right
now and the hoodies who are thehooties, as I say, and Ken
can give you a really clear perspectiveon the risk that Iron poses to the

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United States. Of course, we'vebeen focusing only on the periphery with the
so called surrogates of Iran, Soanyway, I want to turn it over
to Ken. Tell us a littlebit about how you were a hostage,
and then then we'll get into howwe deal with Iran in your opinion.
Well, thanks for having you on, Larry. It's a pleasure to see
your face and to be here withyou. You know I've been I've been
reporting on and from the Middle Eastas a war correspondent and investigative reporter for

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nearly forty years, well forty years. I was taking hostage in eighty two
in the Israeli war against the PLO, one of the early Israeli wars against
the FATA and the PLO in Lebanon, and I was captured by I tell
that in my book and the restis history, Tales of hostages, arms
dealers, dirty tricks and spies,And you can find out more about that

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at my website Ken Timmerman dot com. But I keep going back. I
was in Israel just about six weeksago after the Homas massacres in those southern
communities along the Gays of border,and I must say the stories that you
hear from the former hostages are justheartbreaking, especially the stories that we heard
from medical personnel who were examining childrenbecause the children obviously are not going to

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talk to the media. They shouldn'tbe talking to the media. But they
talked to the doctors. And thesechildren, you know, ten years old,
eleven years old, twelve years old, who were beaten by crowds when
they were brought back to Gaza,kept in solitary confinement, in rooms where
everybody was hostile to them, wherearmed men were telling these ten year olds

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eleven years old, twelve year olds, don't speak, don't speak, don't
speak, and threatening to beat themall the time. They were still speaking
in whispers after they'd been back inIsrael for two weeks. That's how traumatic
the experience was. So you hearthese stories, Larry, and it's just,
you know, it breaks your hearton the one hand, and on
the other hand, you understand theresolve of all these families in Israel who

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have loved ones. You have sonsand daughters, in most cases, husbands
and wives at the front who werefighting. They're fighting a righteous cause.
Well, you know, it isa real tragedy. Obviously you were able
to interview them or were you writingsome stories. I could not talk to
the children. Nobody talked to them, but you talk to the doctors,
So you talk to the doctors whohad examined them, and just it just

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breaks your heart. Well, youknow one of the things I said in
the intro ken and I want toget your thoughts on it. And as
I said to our listeners at thebeginning, we were engaged in the case.
You were a material witness along withCIA director Jim Woolsey at the time
with regard to a family called theMohammadi family. Back bar m Comedy was
the first student leader in modern Iranianhistory to call for regime change, and

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for that he was tortured and killedin Evonne prison. But quite apart from
that, what really upsets me,and it makes me feel very frustrated,
is is that we talk about fightingIran by putting on economic sanctions making them
a pariah. Now I've been sayingover and over again, and I think
because I haven't talked to you,I'm the only one that's been saying it,

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is that if we don't take outthe nucletive facilities, now, if
we don't take out the Iranian RevolutionaryGuard and the leadership, we're never going
to have an opportunity to do itagain because in theory they don't have atomic
weapons right now. Of course,I think they may have a couple.
But what do you think think aboutthat? Because I think the time is
right to take them out now we'vegot the excuse, the pretext because they

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seize an American oil tanker earlier inthe week, and top of everything else
that's been going on with you know, their surrogates in various countries. But
give me your thoughts on that.Well, you know, Larry, I've
worked with Iranian freedom fighters for many, many years. As you know,
I had for many years, Ihad a foundation called the Foundation for Democracy
either on you're on dot org onthe Internet, it's still there. And

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so I'm very close to the peoplewho are fighting against the regime in Iran.
And one thing that they constantly tellme is that they do not want
US military intervention unless it is sothoroughly overwhelming that it topples the regime.
And I don't think a strike onIranian nuclear facilities would topple the regime.
I don't think it would do thetrick I think. And besides which,

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this administration does not have the intestablefortitude to drop a single two thousand pound
bomb on it more question, Butin a in a future administration, I
would certainly be counseling helping the Iranianpeople to overthrow the regime, to give
the freedom fighters in Iran what theyneed in terms of where We'll be right

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back with the next segment. Hangin there, Okay, at the end
of the break, Right back,Timmermann. It's decal Prosecutor with Larry M.
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We have to pass the bill sothat you can find out what is
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We were talking about how the Iranianpeople want us to basically remove the
regime, not pinpricks you know inmilitary facilities, et cetera. You know,
we had an opportunity many years ago. You and I were working together
in effect during the Obama administration,when there was that opportunity to potentially overthrow
the regime. Now it's many yearslater and that regime is now very powerful,

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So how would you go about overthrowingthem if given the current state of
affairs and the strength of the Iranianregime. Well, you know, in
two thousand and nine, which you'rereferring to, were there are three million
people in the streets of Teheran andthey were, you know, chanting Obama,
are you with us? And Obamabasically said back to them, no,
I'm not. I'm with the regime. For the past two years twenty

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twenty one, you've had uprisings allacross Iran, popular protests that the job
protest move Irani women and also ethnicminorities and extremely minority people think that Iran
is Persia. Persia is part oftoday's Yron, but that's only half of

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it. Half of the Iranian evenperson they speak Kurdish, they speak various
dialects, Arabic and other languages.So I think we need to have a
pretty broad based movement that reaches outto those leaders on the ground all across
Iran, from all different segments ofthe population. It can be done publicly

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through public diplomacy. I think thereare also things that should be done covertly.
Those obviously I'm not going to talkabout. But there's a lot that
we can do through public diplomacy,through broadcasting, through internet freedom, through
for example, ensuring that they haveaccess to the Internet, through these portable
Wi Fi networks that you can setup in the mountains of Kurdistan and elsewhere.
There's lots of things that we cando that we have not thought of

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doing. But I would like tomake the Mola's lives very uncomfortable, and
I would like to enhance the abilityof the Iranian people to make their lives
very uncomfortable. What makes you thinkthat they have the firepower to take out
the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which protectsthe Supreme Leader and the other animals over
there, Well, you're not goingto take them. You're not going to

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take them out voluntarily. And that'ssomething that is very important for people to
understand. Civil disobedience is a isa weapon of political warfare. It is
not being used as a weapon ofpolitical warfare by the United States or by
our allies. But I think there'slots of things that we can do by
helping the Iranians to organize a kindof political jiujutsu against the regime. Will

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the people of Iran will not havemore weapons than the Revolutionary Guards. It
would be futile to oppose them withThey will get creamed, they'll get destroyed.
Better is to infiltrate, to undermine, to create a popular movement,
that delegitimized system. And I thinkthat's the important thing. Right now.
They are the legitimate power in Iran. That's the way they portray themselves,

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that's the way they're seen. Wehave to find ways through political action to
delegitimize them. If you were totry to take them out militarily, how
would you do it. Well,that's a completely different story. And you
know, I'm not a military personon a war correspond I've been on the
ground, I've seen, I've beenshot at in none of of places.

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But you know, I'm not amilitary strategist. But I think there are
things that we can do. Thereare things that the Iranians have told me
we can do. But it wouldbe a very very large operation, and
it'd be the kind of thing Idon't see. Frankly, I don't see
any US administration doing anytime soon.Do you think that Milsey Graham's idea to

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bomb the oil wells would accomplish anything. I think that's one of the dumbest
things I've ever heard. And asmuch as I like Lindsay Graham, you
hit the oil wells in Iran,and what you've done is turn the Iranian
people against us. And that's thelast thing that we want to do.
We want to keep them on ourside. We want to show them that
we are on their side against theregime. So that is not a smart

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thing to do. You can dotargeted strikes like President Trump did against Costum
Solimani. That was actually up insideIran. The thugs who are running,
the revolutary guards who are running theyare You're right, So that kind of

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operation you can carry out. Butgoing after infrastructure would be a very bad
idea in my opinion. Do wehave the capability of infiltrating and assassinating the
Supreme leader and people around him?Well, look, I'm not in the
intelligence community. I can't tell you, but we did with Costam solo Money,

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and that was a pretty impressive operation. He had just arrived from I
believe Syria on an aircraft at BaghdadInternational Airport with another militia leader, got
into a car in a small convoyat like two o'clock in the morning and
bang, we hit him with awith a Predator drone strike. That was

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very good intelligence. So if youhave the intelligence to do that kind of
thing, you ought to have theintelligence to go about assassinating just about anybody.
Now, I remind you assassination isof course illegal under US law,
and it requires a presidential finding.And I can't remember the last time there
was a presidential finding to assassinate theleader of another country unless it's our leader,

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you know, yes, unless it'sour leader. And there's political assassinate
well, right, and political assassinationswhen with President Trump. What do you
think the effect would be in Iranif we did assassinate the Supreme Leader?
Would that freeze them? Well,Larry, I think again, the regime
itself has a monopoly on all theforces of repression, on all the weapons.

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They have a monopoly on the policeand the IRGC, and I think
they would clamp down very very quickly, and there would just be another Supreme
Leader. I don't think that's asolution. I would not advocate that as
a policy at this point. Ithink there are again, I favor a
political jiu jitsu. I favor nonviolent political activity. I favored delegitimizing the

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regime in the eyes of the peopleand in the eyes of the regime leaders
themselves. If you have a defectionamong revolutionary guards officers against the hierarchy because
they're corrupt, because they're putting moneyin their pockets, because they are not
helping the junior officers and the peopleon the ground, I think that goes
a long long way to getting ridof the regime. You delegitimize them.

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Let's talk about the Moss leaders thatare living high on the hog in Qatar,
right, Yeah, we're not allowedto continue. Well, why aren't
the Israelis taking them out? Well, I don't bet that the Israelis won't
take them out. They have saidthey will, and they have said that
all of those the Humas leaders whohave taken part in the October seventh massacres,

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they will pay a price. AndI sat and listened to Mark Regev
just today say exactly that again,they will pay a price. So you
know, the Israelis are patients whenit comes to things like this. Remember
they waited several years after the nineteenseventy two massacre at the Munich Olympics before

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they got most of the people there, and then of course there was a
mistake and they had to stop.But I believe that they will go after
them wherever they can find them andwherever they can mount a credible operation.
What do you think about whether ornot there should be some kind of piece
between a moss in Israel? Itlooks to me like what Israel's doing now

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is they're moving troops to the northernborder with Lebanon it and they're basically just
doing a holding action in southern Gaza. Is that a prelude to possibly some
kind of an agreement where a mosswill be relegated to lesser importance. I
don't see, frankly, how theIsraelis, the way they're going about it,
will ever eliminate all the Moss.It's going to be difficult. I

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think they realize how difficult it's goingto be. They have destroyed the Hamas
military infrastructure in the north. Theyare working on that. In central Gaza,
they're working on that. In hannishan Unis is a very difficult piece
because it's full of so many civilians. So they have to try to go
after these tunnels and underground workshops inthe midst of a civilian population. Very

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very difficult thing to do. ButI think what the Israelis want to do
is ultimately to to stabilize the situation. They want to prevent Hamas from being
able to launch rockets against Israeli populations. They want to be able to prevent
Hamas from launching a cross border attacksuch as they did on October seventh,
And slowly they are getting to thatgoal. But you know, it looks

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like they're moving troops away and youknow, moving up to the northern border.
But they're in this for the longhaul, you know. They're Defense
Minister and the Chief of Staff haveboth said the fighting in Gaza will continue
throughout twenty twenty four, all yearlong. So they're not leaving, they're
just minimizing the They're working with asmaller footprint and with more targeted attacks based

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on what you know, because youare an expert in that area, Ken
if the war breaks out with HesboLah Hesbola, you know, reportedly has
over one hundred thousand rockets, use, how can Israel expect to win that
war under those circumstances? Would inHesbola totally decimate Israel at that point no.

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And I'll tell you why I saythat. I think the Iranians telegraphed
their intentions on October seventh when theydid not order Hezbola to join the fighting.
If the Iranians had really wanted toreally go after Israel and weak even
more destruction than they did on Octoberseventh, they would have had all three

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fronts, Hesbola in the north,Hamas in the south, and they're proxies
in Syria to the east, allthree fronts against Israel. They didn't do
that. They have not ordered HamasHesbola, excuse me, to launch a
full scale war against Israel. They'velaunched seventeen hundred rockets. That's significant,
but it's not a full scale attack. And I happened to think that Nosrala,

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the leader of Hesbola, is abit worried about whether what other Lebanese
politicians and what Lebanese public opinion thinksabout him. He destroyed the country in
two thousand and six. Because Iwas there on the Great during that war,
reporting from the Israeli side and intosouthern Lebanon. Nostraula destroyed Lebanese infrastructure.

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They don't want to see that happenagain, and I think that's actually
putting pressure on him. Now.Israel has reportedly, he's the word,
reportedly over one hundred atomic weapons,and I suspect that there is a range
of them, you know, largeones, small wins, neutron bombs,
et cetera, tactical At what pointshould Israel ever consider using them? If

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you have something, at some pointyou know you may actually have to use
them, at what point would thatarrive? Well, I think Israeli doctrine
has for decades been as former PrimeMinister Chi Montperra said, Israel will not
be the first to introduce nuclear weaponsinto the region, but they won't be

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the last either. So those weaponsare there as the ultimate guaranteur of Israel
survivor survival, should God forbid,something happened with a country like Iran,
a nation like the Islamic State ofIran, that's what I call them,
should they actually use nuclear weapons againstIsrael? And you know, we don't

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know if the Ayotola thinks that's theproblem, Larry. Nobody knows what's going
on inside train. And that's thehardest thing to day. So that's why
everybody looks at their capabilities they looknow with increasing alarm at Iran's stockpiling of
sixty percent uranium and sixty percent uraniumis almost weapons great. I mean it's

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very very close. The IAEA hasestimated that they can have five nuclear weapons
with a month. There are independentexperts who said they can have five within
twelve should push the final bit ofenrichment. So the Iranians are really on
a razor's edge between being a nonnuclear state and a nuclear weapons state.

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I don't think the Israelis will allowthem to go that final a couple of
inches whatever it is, the turnsof a screw, but they don't need
to use nuclear weapons to do that. What could they used to do that.
We've got about two minutes left andthen I want to let you tell
people where they can reach you andsupport you. Got one minute left.
Well we'll go into the last segmenttoo, so go ahead, Kim.

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Well, look, I think theIsraelis have shown over the past couple of
years that they have many other nongenetic ways of slowing down the Iranian nucletar
weapons program, whether it's by attackingthe sexrifuges with a computer virus cyber attack,
or whether it's killing nuclear scientists,whether it's by stealing the nuclear archive

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and then making it public an amazingintelligence group and play. It's getting very
very close now to a new youare ready Ieran, and I think that's
got the Israelis looking at other options, more kinetic option. Well, and
that's my point. We'll talk aboutit at the other end of the break.

(33:07):
I got about thirty seconds here,and we'll come back and deal with
this because it's a very important issueand it gets back to the initial point
that I made. We'll be rightback with Ken Timmerman. Stay tuned.

(33:39):
Before he was a trial lawyer,he sliced him and diced him. People
used to ask me, Larry,what caused you to start Judicial Watch and
now freedom Watch given the powerful forcesin this country that puts you at risk
in a meatpacking plan, I'm theson of meat packers in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
I had a slice and dice avery special prosecutor, Larry claiming.

(34:00):
If you'd like to support freedom Watchand this radio show, go to FREEDOMWATCHUSA
dot org. Now, fellow patriots, a verdict those who believe in the
vision and creation of our founding fathers. Fellow patriots were back with Ken Timmerman.
Well, this gets us full circlebecause if the Iranians are just weeks
away or a month away from puttingtogether five atomic bombs, you know,

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will cyber warfare stop that? Andif they do get those bombs in which
they apparently can get very very quickly, the ramifications in terms of what's going
on with his bolah, with amoss, with the Islamic Jahad, with
the hoodies, you name it,Syria, everything becomes much more acute and

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pronounced. So my point was isthat if you're going to do it,
if you're going to take out thosefacilities, and Israel has I believe,
probably weapons that can do it.You know that we had we could choose
the mature board, but we neverdid. We should have with in laden,
you know, tactical nuclear weapons,neutron bombs, whatever. If you're

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ever going to use something that wouldn'tnow be the time. Well, Larry,
I think there's you know, there'sthere's a a great deal of their
international standards, their international standards,their moral standards around the world not use
nuclear weapons. Every uh nuclear powerexcept for and China has pledged no first

(35:37):
use. And I think the Israelishave said that. In the statement Watch
on Paris, he says we willnot be the first introduced in new weapons.
Really don't see that happening. Iget everybody talks about military strikes on
i wan Uh. I agree withyou that a cyber attack at the timeline
the Iranians, if they turned thenuclears, if they actually put the highly

(36:06):
uranium make forehead, put it ontoa ba in the Middle East, and
I think everybody, everybody's estimates areblown off the map. Well, the
problem with that is that's right,The problem with that ken is in today's
world. But no government will tellus if that happened because they don't want
to face the reality. Particularly ourgovernment will cover that up because Biden wants

(36:27):
the Nobel Priest prize like Obama gotit, and you know who knows.
I think Ron probably has a nicedossa on him and maybe blackmailing, and
there's plenty out there to use.But anyway, I want to thank you
for your expertise. You're a goodfriend and what you do is extremely valuable,
and you're a brave guy. You'recourageous. Not many people would subject

(36:49):
themselves to that degree of risk goingover there by the way. I was
in Israel during two wars with amoss but I haven't been as deep as
you've been. But thank you Ken. Where can people reach you? The
easiest thing is at my website,just my name, Ken Timmerman dot com,
and soon you can also find meat the America First Policy Institute.

(37:13):
I've just joined the Institute as asenior Fellow, where I'll be writing about
Israel and Hamas, about the Raniansand other things. So Ken Timmerman dot
com or America First Policy dot com, congratulations on that new position. Follow
Ken Timmerman. He's one of thetop experts in international relations. Thank you,
Ken. I have a great weekend. Thank you, Thank you.

(37:36):
Larry God bless me. Meanwhile,the verdict, the verdict, ladies and
gentlemen, people of faith, others, is that we are at a crossroads
in history. We don't know whereit's going. We have a president who's
a criminal, who's brain dead,who doesn't tell the truth. Our government
as a whole does not tell thetruth. And it's time for you,

(37:57):
the American people, to rise up. I want you to go to freedom
wise dot org, join our JusticeLeague, contribute with tax deductible contributions.
We are unafraid. We can sithere in a dream world believing that nothing's
going to happen, that this willall go away, But it won't.
And as Ken Timmerman said, Iranis right on the verge of a nuclear
weapon. They can put one togetherin a matter of days, and they

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probably already have. And for usto sit there and to play games with
hoodies or or cuts or whatever thecase may be, is a waste of
time. It's simply provoking, it'spoking, it's exacerbating the cancer. It's
already there. So now is thetime to act, if you're ever going
to act. And I maintain forgetabout nuclear norms, of international norms.

(38:45):
Everybody hates is real anyway, notme, not you, not our listeners,
but the international community. They haveto do what needs to be done,
and the United States needs to dowhat needs to be done. Will
be that next week with another editiona special Prosecutor with Larry cleaning. Until
then, remember, father and Sonwill only help us if we help ourselves.
And thank God that we do havethat father and son behind us,

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because that may be our salvation,and I know it will be. Thank
you for listening to me, andwe'll be back next week.