August 26, 2025 • 56 mins
This episode will be looking at another herb of the world: Vasaka, Justicia adhatoda, or malabar nut. This is a relatively well known Ayurvedic herb used for over 2,000 years and is used primarily for respiratory complaints, though different preparations are used for other applications. As always, we will do our deep dive into this herb and look at its traditional uses, and its preparation, interactions, and cautions and see if the science supports its use. And, as usual, we will be adding something a little different… we are going to look at the similarities and differences between Ayurvedic and Chinese herbal medicine Each episode of the podcast will go into great depth about a single herb or formula. Besides covering the basics of herbology including category, and functions, we will explore the history, quality, science, pharmacology, evidence, and any potential interactions of each herb or formula. Please join us, it is going to be another intriguing episode as we look at Vasaka, Justicia adhatoda, or malabar nut!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
That Angelica. Hello, and welcome to episode ninety two. We're
getting close to that episode one hundred of Sperbs Herbs.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Today we are going to be talking about an interesting
Irebtic herb, and again I I'm not sure about pronunciation
on this stuff, so please bear with me if I'm
totally butchering it. But I believe it's Forsaka or it
could be vasica. I I'm not sure. And this is
an interesting one because I actually had it as a
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completely different species, but as I studied it, the actual
species is Justicia at of Tota.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I think I had it out of Tota as the as.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
The genus name, and there was a different species name,
which is a ballad synonym. But it seems like the
most correct species name for this herb is Justishia out
of Toda and.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's also commonly known as malabar nut.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So, without further ado, I am, as always your presenter,
doctor Greg Sperber.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Let's get into it. Today's episode will be.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Looking at another herb of the world of Asaka of
Justicia out of Toda.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Or malabar nut. This is a relatively well known ire
Vedic herb used for over two thousand years and is
used primarily for respiratory complaints, though different preparations are used
for other applications.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I just before we go too, for I want to
go back to this two thousand years thinking, because a
lot of herbs are say that have been used for
thousands of years, and they very well maybe and they've
they've found some evidence of them being used thousands.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Of years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
This one, there were just a lot of quote saying this,
this is over two thousand years old, but nothing specific.
So please take that two thousand years as with a
little a grain of salt, which we should always do
once we get past about one thousand or fifteen hundred years.
But as always, we will do our deep dive into
this herb and look at its traditional uses and its preparation,
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interactions and cautions and see if the science supports its use.
And as usual, we'll be adding something a little different.
We are going to look at the similarities and differences
between iron vedic and Chinese herbal medicine. I found it
an amazing article that I'm going to summarize for you
about the differences between those because I will get into it.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I just it's fascinating.
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It's going to be another fascinating submarine journey into the
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Often I figure out what each episode is a little
something different after I'm done with developing the rest of
the episodes. Sometimes I know what I'm gonna do before,
but most often I kind of developed an episode and
then go, Okay, what am I going to do for
a little something different? Often like today, I will find
something that I think will be awesome for a little
something different as I'm researching the episode.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Which is why I kind of do it that way.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Going back a long time over thirty five years now,
my martial arts instructure would instructor would say that many
aspects of Chinese martial arts and possibly medical arts stem
from or are derivations.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
From the Indian and iervedic thought.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So he would say that the the Irevetic or the
Indian side, they were very good at figuring this stuff out,
and then the Chinese were very methodical, so they'd add
very specific methodologies to things, and together it came out
with something really amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So when I stumbled on an excellent.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Article entitled Iervetic Herbal Medicine and its relation to Chinese
herbal Medicine, it was a fit for today's episode as.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
We're talking about an iarebetic herb couple that with.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It was written by Sabouti Darmananda, a very distinguished author
whose articles always show a deep understanding of Chinese medicine,
and with the background in iabetic medicine, it is going
to be a very interesting discussion.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
While this little.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Something different is based on this article from doctor Darmananda.
I encourage you all to read it for yourself, as
it is a long and deep read, which I don't
think I can do complete justice too.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You can you can see where to get it.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
If you're if you're online, you're going, of course, just
look it up.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But I have it. If you have the notes, it's
in the bibliography.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's a fantastic you want to look for Darmananda and
uh I put in iabetic and Chinese verbal medicine. He
has a ton of articles. I gotta say, I I
don't know how he's written so many great articles, and
I just every time I come across one of his articles,
I I've learned something, which is not easy to do
with a lot of the articles that are out there.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So I love his articles in general.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I think I met him once, but kind of before
I knew that he had done so many great things,
so I don't I don't think I appreciated it and
when I met him. But it's just fantastic articles. So
this is a great article. So there's gonna be a
lot of quotes from the article, and then I'm gonna
throw in some of my own thoughts as we go
along so Iveda is often translated as quote the science
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of life unquote. How doctor Darbanada suggested it is less
science and more religious, saying Ireveda is an instruction for
enhancing life rather than science for enhancing life. I think
that's really interesting, kind of gets into the philosophy. And
he actually, he's as we're about to say. He says,
this is very similar to Chinese medicine as well, which
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I think is an interesting thing, and I don't think
we should.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You know, you know, we know that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Chinese medicine works those of us who use it a lot,
but it also the science is getting there, but it
isn't fully behind it either, So it's kind of an
interesting thing to say. It compares this to Chinese medicine,
saying aerobatic medicine has some relevance to Chinese traditional medicine.
Both systems are instructional rather than scientific, and are fundamentally
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aimed at enhancing life. Both are additionally focused at treatment
of specific diseases that plagued ancient societies for centuries. Nearly
half of the most commonly used herbs in each of
these two Asian medical systems India and China are the
same or similar, and their actions are described in somewhat
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overlapping terms. For example, in both systems, herbs are described
according to the symptoms they treat, their warming or cooling nature,
and their influence on the body humors. What differs is
the basic set of categories of disharmony, the diagnostic and
therapeutic groupings and traditional Chinese medicine. The correspondence systems of
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yin and yang and the five elements have a strong influence,
as do the depictions of certain bodily humors cheat blood,
moisture and essence.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
He says, moisture.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know, we usually translate that as fluids and essence
and the internal organ systems or the zongfu in Irvenic medicine.
Although the total system is quite complex, there is a
dominance of the three do shells known as the tri
Dosha system Kafa pitavata, also called value. These three function
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within a body that is described primarily in terms of
stages of transformation following the path of congestin food as
it is converted into essential substances that comprise the body,
rather than by physical structures and functional organs.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
This is where I just want to continue to quote.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
The article because it's so well done, I am going
to indulge the search.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A little longer.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
How to interject there and kind of put my own
spin on things a little bit before I just quoted
indefinitely the reliance on a triad of influences on health
and disease sometimes forces Iravetic medicine into a relatively sim
simplistic system, which has had the effect of strangling its development.
Compared to Chinese medicine. The enforced alignment with so called
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cosmological speculations was a problem that also affected Chinese medicine.
With a five element and six ch environmental influences systems
we would call it six CHI or six pathogenic factors
or pathogenic g systems had a stifling effect because everything
was forced to fit even when reason and experience indicated otherwise.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I like that he's bringing this up because this is true.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I mean, I still remember, you know, I got my
first teachings of Chinese medicine from my martial arts instructor,
and he said, okay, look you look at something like
the stomach and the spleen, the spleen being digestive organ
those make sense, as you know, and young pairs but
when you start looking at like the heart and the
small intestine.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
How the heck are those young yin and young pairs?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And he was skeptical of it as well, even though
he was very much into Chinese Chinese theory and Chinese
medical theory as well. So I've always had a little
bit of that kind of inculcated into me.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So, continuing with Dermanona's article, Chinese medicine made an escape
from its philosophical binds through constantly reworking of the basic
system by strong minded and experienced commentators. Iervetic medicine did
not have a similar transformation, and so it struggles with
certain inconsistencies that date back to a much earlier age
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without having been addressed at least in any preserved writings
in the interim. Iervetic Chinese and other traditional systems are
today yielding their theoretical and experiential frameworks to investigation by
modern scientific techniques applied mainly for the purpose of illustrating
the effectiveness of remedies that have been developed over the centuries.
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And I would say, in the absence of these theoretical
sort of frameworks in this context, you underlining theoretical framework
fades away, and the tested substances become the focus of
a new international effort preventative healthcare and disease treatment. Herbal
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formulas developed today rely on a combination of traditional and
modern indications for the use of the medicinal materials. Domerinonda
then continue to discuss the original source books verbs in
the Chinese medical tradition, the wangdi in Ajing or Yellow
Emperor's Classic of Internal Medicine, written about one hundred BCE,
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which he actually breaks down into its two components, the
su wen or basic questions and the Lingshu or the
there's different translations of this for the center pivot or
something along those lines, and the ioretic tradition. The Karak
Samhita or compenium of Karaka and the Susruda Semhita or
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companium Cusruda, both written about one hundred CE, so those
are about two hundred years later. Together, the Chinese texts
are about six hundred pages in translation, while the Diabetic
texts are twenty seven hundred pages in translation. The Chinese
siu win again, this is a component of the of
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the punkin Aging yell Emper's Classic of Internal medicine. So
Chinese zu Win and Indian Karaka each present steps to
take in one's daily life to promote health. They also
describe causes of disease such as environmental dietarian emotional factors,
present information about specific diseases and disease progression, and offer
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therapeutic measures. Whereas the su Win mainly recommends acupunctures the
therapy to be used for diseases, the Kraka mainly presents herbs, oil,
massages and enemas. In that aspect, the Kraka is comparable
to a different pair of Chinese books, the chakum Lung
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Treaty sun diseases caused by cold pathogens and the Jingue
Yao Jua misslanus diseases in their treatment.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So both of these were actually.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
One book and they were split up later on into
two books. So this is still just it's technically one
book originally, and this was written about two hundred actually
it's often given to twenty CE, so this would have
been one hundred or so years one hundred and twenty
years after the Kraka. Those texts mainly present rbal therapies. Yes,
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when I talk about the chak Lung and the Jingue
Yao La Yao Lua. I talk about them being the
oldest existing books on herbal formulas, so these are really
about herbs. The use of therapeutic massage with specific oils
according to the disorder being treated, and heavy alliance on
enemas usually made with an oil base, is unique to
the Aavetic system. Applications of oils internally and topically is
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often referred to in recent books as olation. While the
Chaqua Mung and Jingue Liao Lua, originally a single book
and later divided, are their earliest existing Chinese books on
ribal formulas, there has been a long reliance on various
material medica texts throughout the centuries. Dormananda says arabetic medicine
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has not had as rich a tradition of material medica works,
with much reliance placed still on the contents of the
Karaka in nineteen oh eight, so this is after centuries
of a lot of development in Chinese I mean millennia
and a lot of development of Chinese medicine. In nineteen
o eight, doctor K. M. Nodcarnia published a two volume
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Indian Material Medica, A Guide to Areveda that is still
considered the standard text. It combines information from ancient traditional practices,
current iovetic practices, and reports from Europeans, such as analysis
of active constituents, pharmacology and European uses of.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The same herbs.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Unlike the Chinese material medica books, this Indian text makes
no references to previous works on Indian herbs, does not
outline any history of the development of the drugs, does
not indicate when an herb was introduced into practice, and,
except for occasional references to Karaka, doesn't quote earlier authors
on aerobetic medicine except for those working.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Right around the time of its publication.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The proper translation and understanding of the key element of
the Aabatic tradition, the tridosha, remains at the heart of
making an iovida accessible to those who did not grow
up with and assiduously study this field well. Darminina adds
a lot more context and correlations. He does a great
job of discussing similarities between these medicines and the following text.
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As long as one is quote. So long as one
is careful not to rigidly link Indian and Chinese traditional ideas,
it is possible to make reasonable comparisons of the properties
of herbs and their therapeutic actions. For example, rather than
describing excess and deficiency conditions as done in the Chinese system,
biaerbetic system tends to depict on one hand excitation or
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disturbance quote vitiation, and on the other hand what might
be termed sluggishness of the Doshas still, these imbalances correspond
in practice with the Chinese excess and deficiency concepts. These
linkages are roughly as follows. Kafa corresponds very roughly to
the Chinese concepts of yin moisture and phlegm. That is,
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it has wet qualities and tends towards coldness and heaviness.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Herbs that are.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Classified in the Chinese system as moisturizing, several slain shaded,
slain cheet tonks.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Are described as having this property.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yin nourishing and cooling generally fit well with the concept
of increasing CAFA to counteract its relative deficiency. Herbs that
are classified as drying, dispersing, and warming generally fit well
with the concept of calming or decreasing coffa to counteract
its excitation. Coffa excess corresponds with formation of swellings, abscesses,
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and cysts. Pitta corresponds fairly closely with the Chinese concepts
of chi, especially stomach chi and fire. That is, it
has warming, supplementing, and dispersing qualities. Herbs that are classified
in the Chinese system as tonifying chi, vigorating the stomach
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swing system and dispersing cold stagnation, spilling, chill, aromatic, moisture, resolving,
et cetera fit well with the concept of invigorating pitta.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Herbs that are.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Cooling, anti inflammatory, and sedative fit well with the concept
of calming pitta. That excess corresponds with feverish conditions, hyperactivity,
and inflammation. Vata corresponds somewhat with the Chinese concept of chi,
especially meridian chi, lung chi, and kidney chi. Young and
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internal wind herbs atonifhi chi promote cheese circulation, invigorate young,
and improve nervous system functions correspond reasonably well with the
Indian concept of invigorating vata. Herbs that calm internal wind
and have sedative function fit well with the concept of
calming vada vata. However, there is a particular distinction between
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the Chinese and Indian concepts and the Chinese system, promoting
chiain and enhancing internal wind are usually associated with increasing heat.
By contrast, in the Indian system, vatas associated with cold,
so increasing Vata is attained in part by cooling rather
than heating. This diametric opposition in a fundamental area of description,
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cold versus hot leads to obvious differences in the way
some herbs common to both traditions are used. Overall, Pitta
and Vada are especially distinguished in the Indian system by
the hot versus cold properties. Vata and Kafa are distinguished
in the Indian system primarily by the dry versus moist properties. Okay, well,
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the article continues. We will continue with today's aiabetic herb.
That herb is Justicshia out of Tota or asaka as
as many as we're going to find. There's a lot
of other names for this as well. It's in the
family at Canthus, canthe canthus, Cantha, ci a Canthasia.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And sometimes I wish I took Latin.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I have a friend who did Latin species, So as
I said, the species is just Sishia out of Tota.
L Remember the l stands for the biologists who first
classified it in this case, just the simple L means Linaeus,
who's the first one who kind of established the system
on the binomial system that we use today for classification.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
But there are lots of synonyms.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Including at a Lota, serrata, raf out of toto pubscenz
moinsch at of Tota vasica knees. That was the one
that I was originally using for this for this herb,
as I said, I think Justicia atatota is more correct,
though still see that a lot at of Tota vasica kneese,
at Atta zelanica, medic Diane Thera, ladifolia, selasb and Echbolium
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out of Tota l in parentheses kunce Again those are
biologists and uh gender Russa out of Tota l.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
In parentheses, stewed Steu t so lots of different.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Species, and I saw a lot of is in the literature.
Like I said, Justicia adetota seems to be the most
correct today, though I saw atatoto vasca quite a bit
as well as several of these others.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
The medicinal part of this herb.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Many parts of the plant are used meddictionally, including the leaves, roots.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Flowers, and bark.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Other names for this Thesaka is sanskrit a doosa is Hindi.
Also dulsa aradusi a arusha adathodai, bakash bonsa, bassik bisudi
becker b h e kk R. Can please excuse some
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of my pronunciations here at a loda, cam a dousoge
at a seramu vasa lion's muzzle, and stallion's tooth.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I like those last two. Talk a little bit about
that cant a family.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
There I can finally pronounce them properly, the Canthothia, and then,
of course a Canthosia or a canthus family consists of
di coutli.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Di cut lidice flowering plants, and we're going to talk
about that right now.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
The dicot Lidans die cut li lidons Dicotolidons there we go,
also called dicots, refers to a plant having two embryonic
leaves or cutalodons. There are approximately two hundred and fifty
genera and two five hundred species. The family has simple,
opposite decussated or crossing leaves with entire margins and no stipules.
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Stipules remember, little like little stems between the leaf and
the and the actual stem. Many plants in this family
are used medicinally and maybe anti viral and fungal, anti inflammatory,
anti poetic, insecticidal and pawdo protective so it helps the
liver and ant type platelet aggregation. So lots of positive
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potentials from this family's various plants in this family.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
History.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The history is interesting about this herb, and that has
been very difficult to find any all of my sources,
several books and several web searches in many articles say
Justicia added tota has been used for thousands of years,
and that seems to be the entirety of the history
of this herb, at least as far as I can determine.
I do not know why all these sources say it
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has been used for thousands of years. They all say it,
and not one of them gave any justification for why
they say it's been used for thousands of years. There
was one article which had a little bit more than
other sources about the history of this herb. Justicia addatota
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has long been part of traditional aerobatic Indian and nani
Arab European medicine, with its roots, leaves, flowers and bark
all used in various preparations to treat elements ranging from
coughs to asthma. During the twentieth century, scientists began to
recognize the study its usefulness, with asaka syrup and liquid
extract appearing in the Indian Pharmacopeia in nineteen fifty five.
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Four years later in the Indian research study outlined the
bronchodilatory or the opening of the bronchials and lungs activity
of the justicio atatota alkaloid vacininone, while the late nineteen
fifties also saw the development of brom hexine, a vasicine
derived drug to clear mucus from the respiratory tract by
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the pharmaceutical company Barringer Ingelheim.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So these are both.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Derivatives the vaccine and the and the vasicininone are both
in this particular, herb brom hexine, introduced to the market
as bisolvon, came into medicinal use in nineteen sixty six,
was followed in late nineteen seventy by umbroxol, a semisynthetic
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bram Hicks hexine metabolite to treat respiratory diseases associated with
viscid or excessive ukis now that the original pattern has expired,
Generica ambroxol products are available from many companies, and on
Broxol lozenges for the treatment of sore throats were introduced
in two thousand and two. Wikipedia don't like using Wikipedia
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as a great source for all of these things, but
sometimes it just has an invasion you don't find elsewhere,
so sometimes.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I throw it in there.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So Wikipedia says Atatota means untouched by goats in Tamil.
The name derives from the fact that animals like goats
do not eat this plant due to its extreme bitter taste.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's what I have for the history other uses.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
There does not appear to be major other uses for
the serve, at least in the common literature. In other words,
it's primarily so one of the things that is, it's
primarily medicinal, though there are some peoples who do use
it as a food source or as one of potential
food source, so their food might.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Be another use here other than just medicinally. Traditional uses.
Lots of potential traditional uses, lots of sources. Most sources referring.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
To this herb start by saying it has been used
for centuries or millennia for treating respiratory conditions, especially asthma
and chronic bronchitis. Aervetic herbs the comprehensive resource for aavetic
healing solutions by Sodi.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
We're gonna mention his name a bit in this.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Says Atatota vasica, a small evergreen evergreen shrub as a
multitude of uses in traditional araveda and is best known
for its effectiveness in treating respiratory conditions.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
The leaf buds of.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Vassaca are chewed sometimes with ginger by Yogi's or Sadhoo's
and this has been has a stimulant.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Effect on the respiratory system. So I gotta be I.
I don't think I'd come across this word sad who's before?
So I had to look it up. So a sadhu.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is a religious ascetic, medicant or any holy person in
Hinduism and Jainism, Jayanism, Jai and Im.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I haven't heard that word before who has renounced the
worldly life. So that's what intic means. So that's a
sad who.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
So moving on, as back to the quote, as an
anti spasmodic and an expectorant, Basca has been used for
centuries with so much success in treating asthma, chronic bronchitis,
and other respiratory conditions, or recently the server has been
studied for its potential in treating tuberculosis. All parts of
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atatota and vasca have medicinal value. A powdered form of
the herb, boiled in sesame oil is used to heal
ear infections and to arrest bleeding. Boiled leaves of basica
in the form of a poultice are used to treat
rheumatic pain and to relieve the pain of urinary tract infections.
At of Tota asica well, remember that's another name for this,
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just tissue out of tota.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Alotota.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Vasca also is believed to have abortifacient properties. Is commonly
used in some parts of India to stimulate uterine contractions
which speeds childbirth, so it can cause an abortion of bortifation.
It is ABORTIFATIONI and it also can be used in
childbirth as well. This plant too is used to stem
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bleeding in conditions such as peptic ulcers, gingivitis, excessive menstrual bleeding.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
And hemorrhoids.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Another book major herbs of aer Veda by Williamson or
edited by Williamsons says Atatota Assica has been most commonly
used for the treatment of respiratory complaints and diseases such
as coughs, colds, and asthma. Leaves are boiled and taken
orally for fevers, and warmed leaves are applied externally for
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rheumatic pains and dislocation of joints. The powdered, the powder
boiled and sestameal is used as a local application for
ear infection and to stop bleeding.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
In Nepal, a dried water extract of.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Leaves is used to relieve stomach acidity, and in Bihar
and other parts of India, a decoction of the leaves
is used to facilitate childbirth or induce abortion. A paste
of the leaves is sometimes applied to the abdomen to
treat urinary disorders.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
The leaves and.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Flowers are cooked as a vegetable in the Kasi tribe
in India. Has been used by European herbal practitioners as
an anti spasmodic expectorant and febrifuge. Febrifuge is a fever reducer.
Dunkar which had a review article A. Dukhar and their
team say similar things. All parts of the jayad of
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Tota has been used for their curative effects from ancient times.
Has been used in iervetics, in iabetic system of medicine
for the treatment of various elements a respiratory tract in
both children and adults. Various parts of the plant are
used in the Indian traditional medicine for the treatment of
asthma joint pain. It says lumber pain, but I think
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it means lumbar pain. That is a direct This was
not the best edited article, so that was I should
put a sick there as I see, just to show.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
That that was the original article.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Sprains, cold cough, exima, malaria, rheumatism, swelling, and venereal diseases.
Jadatota has also been used by European medical practitioners. The
fluid extract intincture were used in England as an anti
spasmodic expector in febrifuge. It was said to be beneficial
in the intermin typhus fever in diphtheria.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
In Germany, the leaves are used as an.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Expectrant a spasmolytic agent. In Sweden, jay Adatota is classified
as a natural remedy and some preparations against cough containing
an extract with osaka are accessible. Dunkar and the team
goes on to discuss the uses of various parts of
the earth. The whole plant is used as an ingredient
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of numerous popular formulations, including cough suroup used in combination
of gingers zinjabbar off ficionale and tolsi olsimum sanctum. That's
not a nerve I'm familiar with where it exerts its
actions as an expectorant and an anti spasmodic. Plant is
used for treatment of excessive phlegm and mineragia in Sri Lanka.
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Minoragias is basically bleeding outside of the menstrual vaginable bleeding
outside menstrol in between. No, it's excessive menstrual bleeding. I'll
get it right eventually. So. Also used for the treatment
of leading piles, which is an old term for hemorrhoids, impotence.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
And sexual disorders. A yoga practice is.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
To chew the leaf buds loan or with a little
ginger roup to clear the respiratory passages in preparation for
the vigorous breathing exercises. Various preparation of leaves are used
for curing bleeding, hemorrhage, skin diseases, wounds, headache, and leprosy.
In Southeast Asia, the bruised fresh leaves are used for
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snake bites. In India and Sri Lanka, usually yellow leaves
are exploited for cough and smoke from leaves is used
for asthma. Plant leaves are used for checking postpartum hemorrhage
and urinary trouble. Leave powder boiled and sesame wo is
used to stop bleeding earaches, as well as plus from
yours and jaundice. Decoction and ash of leaves are used
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for bronchial complaints such as asthma, tuberculosis, antipyretic which means
it reduces fevers and relieve acidity. Leaves are toxic to
all forms of lower life that's a quote, and have
insecticidal effects. It's also used for stomach catar with constipation, gout,
urinary stone and warm leaves used externally for phbumatic pains
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and dislocation of joints.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
His word qatar is.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
An old or old word that every time I read
it I can never quite remember exactly what it means.
It's always usually hear about it with respiratory, like you
know costs with guitar stuff. But quitar is an inflammation
of mucus membranes in one of the airways or cavities
of the body, usually with reference to the throat and
paranasal sinuses.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
In this case we're talking about the stomach.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Moreover, the preparation of leaves in spirit is used for
curing the wealthy person suffering from certain humors.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
In Myanmar Myan mar So that's the leaves, Let's go
to the roots.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
The extract of roots of j Outatota is commonly used
by rural population against diabetes, cough, and certain liver disorders.
The paste powdered and decoction of root is used for
curing tuberculosis, diphtheria, malarial fever, leukerhea, which is white discharge
for the vagina and eye diseases. In Southeast Asia, the
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paste of roots mixed with sugar and used for treatment
of acute nightfall and Sidapur District, Uttar Pradesh, India. So
I never heard this term nightfall before, so I had
to look it up to nightfall is the occurrence of
spontaneous orgasm and ejaculation, usually during sleep.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
In medical terms, it's called nocturnal emission. I never heard
of term nightfall before, so there you go.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Moreover, the mass rayed roots of jay out of tota
are applied to on the pubic region in vagina to
help paturition and it facilitates the expulsion of fetus. The
root to coction is also used for ganor rhea.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Flowers.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
The fresh flowers are used for apthalmia. Again, not a
term that I'm super familiar with.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
What it means is inflammation of the eye.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So falmia and various preparations of flowers are used for
treatment of cold thesis. I had to look up thesis
as well, which is basically a progressively wasting or consumptive
disease condition, especially pulmonary tuberculosis. So it's another way it's
basically wasting disease. So that's thesis thesis. I have a
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look up how to pronounce it too. Asthma, bronchitis, cough,
anti spasmodic fever, and gunnery. In Southeast Asia, bars are
also used as antiseptic to improve blood circulation and hectic
eat of the blood. The fruit of jay outatota are
used for curing cold, anti spasmodic bronchitis, jaundice, diarrhea, dysentery.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Fever, and as a laxative.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Another review article by Chadhari and their team says folk
uses include Atatota. Vascaca commonly known as vasacar or jayad
Tota is the most important aabatic herb which is mainly
used in respiratory diseases including chronic bronchitis, whipping cough, and
asthma for both children and adults. Glycodin, which is a
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significant product isolated from the leaves of anatotavasica, is used
to cure bronchitis. Reported studies reveal that the leaves of
the avasica plant are used to induce abortion by seventy
percent of the pregnant women in Goa village of Lucknow.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
In Sri Lanka.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It is used as a sedative expectrant to treat excessive phlegm,
mucus with bacteria in the debris off of inflammatory cells
and mineragia disorder of endometrial lining of the of the uterus.
It acts as an anti spasmonic and an and helmint
mintic drugs of anti warm drug and is also used
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to treat diseases like bleeding, piles again, the hemorrhoids, impotence,
and sexual disorders. As the planet is a rich source
of vitamin C, it possesses various therapeutic properties like anti inflammatory,
anti bleeding, anti jaundice, anti diabetic disinfectant. I don't know
if i'd equate vitamin C with a lot of those
potential therapy properties, but okay. Also, the plant has been
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used to treat cold cough, pneumonia, fever, jaundice, whooping cough,
catar asthma, and whooping cough again.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Whooping coff this is a quote, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Traditionally, various parts of the plant are used to treat
diseases like asthma, joint pain, sprains, lumbar pain, malaria, cold cough, exema, rheumatism, swelling,
and venereal disease.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
In England, the fluid. This seems very similar to what
we just read.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Fluid extracted from sleeves used as an anti spasmodic expector
in febrifuge is also advantageous against typhus, fever and diphtheria.
These to this planet, are used as a spasmolytic agent,
as an inspectorant in Germany, and sweeten the extract of
the adatoda vasaca plans used to prepare medicine against cough.
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Various parts of the plant play a significant role to
cure different diseases.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Still in traditional uses, a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Of different uses, seeing a lot of the same things,
but from slightly different sources and perspectives. WebMD, which I
consider to be not a bad source on the web.
So WebMD says malabar nut is used to loosen chest congestion,
open the breathing tubes of bronchi, and treat spasms. It
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is used for upper airway infections common colds, cough, asthma,
and tuberculosis.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
So we're talking about traditional uses.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
So let's discuss the traditional irava properties of the service
described by Sodi and as I do, I want to
remind us of what the properties mean. So the gunas
describe ten pairs of is used to describe medicinal and
other substances. Justicia ad atota is considered lagu or light
and rukshaw dry. The rasa or taste.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Refers to the sixth tastes in diabetic medicine. The herb
is tikta or bitter, and kashaya or astringent. The viria,
which is spelled both.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
V I r y a or v e e r
y a or energy is the energy or ponency of
herbs and is considered heating or cooling.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
And jaud of toota is is shita or cold. Again,
excuse my pronunciations.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
The vipaka or post digestive effects relate to quote quote
relate to processes of absorption and elimination. The final outcome
of digestion and ja out of toota is katu or pungent.
And the do doshes which we talked about at the
beginning of the tridosos. The doshes refer to the three
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basic types of constitution. J Adatota pacifies both kapfa and pitta.
So that's where those that plays in colms both the
cafa and the pit upright, let's talk about dosage and preparation.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
WebMD we're starting off.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
WebMD says the appropriate dose Melbourne note depends on several
factors such as the user's age, health, and several other conditions.
As time, there's not enough scientific information and determined an appropriate.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Range of doses for the malabarn nut.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
So basically what they're saying is they can determine what
it was from the literature, though there are lots of
sources on dosine in preparation which we're gonna get into
right now. Sodi says the dose should be two to
five millimeters for liquid extract. I don't like that because
that doesn't tell us the strength of the extract, which
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I think it really needs to.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
But that's what it says.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Ten to twenty milliters of leaf for flower juice, ty
to eighty mili liters of root decoction, and one hundred
milligrams twice per day for ten to one.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
For ten to one extract.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
See, that's what we need, is that kind of information
to term proper dosing with that liquid extract. Earlier Williams
Williamson agrees with these doses, but does but does not
include the dose for the extract.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Kumar discusses dosing. The drug.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Visoka is often taken in the form of juice extracted
from its leaves mixed with ginger or honey in doses
of fifteen to thirty mili liters. Leaves can be made
into a decoction, or the dried leaves can be given
in powder powder form and doses of two grams. Both
the decoction and powder are constituents of many preparations used
in the aobatic medicine or various afflictions of affect affectations
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affections says, affections of.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
The respiratory tract.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
The root and the bark have the same medicinal uses
as the leaves. The decoction of the bark is given
in twenty given in thirty to sixty milliter doses, the
powdered root bark in zero point seventy five to two
grams doses. So that's their dosage and to a certain
exemp preparation. It's about the quality.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Don't have a lot to say about it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
It was difficult to find anything on what makes good
quality just tissue out of tota. Those articles discussing quality
JFS out of tota focused on its chemical constituents, which
we will discuss shortly. In other words, what is in
it that And of course when you start kind of
going this is primary constituents, then more of those constisuents
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generally mean higher quality when it comes from a strictly
sort of pharmacological point of view, which really, when I'm
talking about quality, I'm like, when you're out looking at it,
what is good quality versus poor quality?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
And I couldn't find anything specifically on that medical actions
of the serve.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
After an extensive search to several textbooks in Google search terms,
I was able to find one source discussing Jay out
of Tota and Chinese terms, and it was a sales
page on the website made in China. This page says
Jay out of Toota's Chinese name is yadzui Hua that's
y A z u i h u a, and is
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bitter as stringent and cool, clears heat and cools the blood,
and his anti inflammatory and relieves pain. And indications include
blood heat, liver heat, bile heat, polyemia, which I don't
know what polyemia means.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I just don't and I looked it up and there
wasn't anything on the web. So my guess is that
was some sort of obscure translation from Chinese, and I
don't know what the word actually means.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Says Chinese medical actions. Not a great source for these
Chinese medical actions, though, you know what I'm I'm starting
to get a little bit more comfortable with is translating
some of these some of this stuff into Chinese actions,
and this seems pretty good from what I can tell
from the iavetic actions and some of the traditional uses
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of this, I think this is probably a pretty decent
approach to.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
The Chinese medical actions.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Comparisons and combinations. Other than the combination of ginger with
a herb, there weren't any other direct comparisons or combinations.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
For the serb in our literature searches. We just didn't
see anything. So I'd like to be able to do that.
We can't always do it.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Contents, So remember that review article by Donkar and their
team discusses the vital chemistry of this herb. The chemical
compounds found in j adatota plant includes essential oils, bats, resins, sugar, gum,
amino acids, proteins, and vitamins, c et cetera. The fintal
(45:58):
chemical analysis show that phenols, tannins, alkaloids, anthraquinones, sapinins, flavonoids,
and reducing sugars were found in the leaves of Jada toota.
We've talked about a lot of these in some of
our little something different in past episodes, so you can
always look at those. But the pharmacologically most studied chemical
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component in jayadatota is a bitter quinizoline alkaloid vaccine. We
mentioned that earlier which the technical name for this is
one two three nine tetrahydropyrol two to one b quinozolin
three all and the chemical the chemical structure the C eleven,
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H twelve and two zero, which is present in the leaves,
roots and flowers. Besides vasasine, the leaves contain several alkaloids vacinone,
vacinol A, data dyne A, Data nine add vacinone and nicistee.
I put these in to give myself a lot of
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trouble when I go to read that it's anicetine and
hydroxy paganine, betaine, steroids and alkanes. Vasacine is metabolized to
the cynanone and analysis of j at a total leaf
extract show that it contained point eight five percent vacinine
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and points zero two seven percent synanone. Roots also contain alkaloids,
the cyninol, the synolone, the cynanone, and Data nine a
steroid dacosterol, sterol, carbohydrates and alkenes and the flowers triterpenes,
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alpha amrin, flabinoids, apiginine, A Stragglin, camp camp Ferol Gerston,
the texan.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
And alkanes have been found. Okay, it's done with that
word salad. Let's talk about the science here. So Sodi,
who was the author of that book Iretic herbs Uh,
says jaded toota has various pharmacological activities including anti tubercular,
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anti asthmatic, roncodilatory, anti parasitic, anti allergy, bortifation, uterotonic, which
means it helps the uterus. Uh. You know, oh man,
I'm totally banking on the word muscle contract. There we go.
It helps uters contract, wound healing colagogue.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Which means that it helps with the bio and as
I get older, these words kind of flip on my mouth.
Anti ulser, antibacterial, and insecticidal. The exception of some generally
poor human research for its use is in abortifation and uterotonic.
These activities are reported by in vitro and animal research.
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In other words, not a lot of clinical research to
support these activities. Chodery and their team ad inspectorant anti inflammatory,
and power protective. So it helps liver, protects liver, hypoglycemic
and anti diabetic and anticholon esterrase activities from in vitro
animal studies in vitro end animal studies.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Coop Right, just.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
There skipped over things, so Okaychod Harry also discussed several
clinical stays showing the following activities. Oxytoxic effect with an
an equal sixty an equals twenty four, so a in
equals twenty four means through twenty four subjects helping dyspepsia
and equals twenty pyorrhea inflamed gun gums and equals twenty five,
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and two studies treating asthma and bronchitis, one with an
end of twenty four and another with thirty. So the
reason why I'm big on putting in the ends is
because you need at least.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Thirty to forty.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Subjects before you can start using population statistics to that study.
So anything less than between thirty and forty patients means
that it is not statistically valid. It does not give
us useful information for populations. All of these are below
that threshold, except for maybe the thirty two might be
right on the borderline of that threshold. So none of
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these studies would be what I would call significant. Still
think it's nice that we have human studies and clinical
studies to show some of these properties, but I don't
think these are conclusive in any way, shape or form.
Don Car and their team adds cardiotonic, which means it
helps the heart, and anti tuess of which stops coughing
to the list of activities.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Okay, let's talk about drug herb interactions.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Literature search did not find any mention of sacroonp for
fifty peak like approaching interactions. The American Urbal Products Association's
Botanical Safety Hambook, which is a great book on safety
aspects of herbs, does not have an entry for the serve.
It's a pretty comprehensive herb, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Have a lot of diabetic herbs and so it's not
But it has a lot of Chinese IRBs, not all
of them, but a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Kumar and his and their team says Atatota is considered
safe and recommended usage and dosing. Care should be exercised
when taking this herb with other drugs or supplements that
exhibit e spectrant or anti spasmodic effects. Sodi says no
adverse effects of using atatota and Console with other drugs
or medicine have been observed, so I think we can
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say there aren't at least known drug.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Rib interactions for this. For this herb particularly concerns.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
According to SODI, exceptive excessive doses of bassica may cause
diarrhea and vomiting. The serve should not be by pregnant
women because of its capacity to induce abortion.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Kumar and their.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Team says the safety of the serve has not been
tested in children, should be avoided unless directed by a
medical professional. Use of this supplement is not recommended during pregnancy,
except at birth and then only under the direction of
a medical practitioner. Treaterery and their team says usually there
are no side effects of jay out of tota plant
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when experimented for study purposes. There's no mentioned data of
this drug that showed its adverse effects. The only data
found is that when it is taken in high dosages,
it leads to diarrhea and vomiting.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Dalk Car and their.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Team discussed toxicity and animals and did not find much
in the research. They did discuss the administration of fascining
in humans. Fscining has been tried. In a preliminary human
study being conducted for interruption of mid trimester pregnancy by
intra amniotic installation of the drug.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Is above.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Sixty milligrams were given in twelve cases and all of
them are board within about forty eight hours. Furthermore, in
other studies, it has been shown that vassecine is a
very effective audio oxytoxic agent in oxytocic agent and human
beings in stopping postpartum hemorrhage. So oxytocin is what they're
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referring to here, which is is a normal hormone that
is expressed during a lot of things, but especially during childbirth.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
So it's a positive. It is an effect in effect
of oxytoxic tocic agent in human beings.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Overall, j ad atota appears quite safe when used appropriately
and with appropriate toascine. And that is where we're at today.
That was another deep dive into her biology. We talked
about submarine journey in the first one, so it's a
deep dive.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
That's the book ends here and we started our discussion today.
We look at the similarities and differences between iabatic and
Chinese herbal medicine. From there, We did our deep dive
into asaka justicia atatota malabar nut, an important ierveatic herb,
and found it can be useful for spiratory and obstetric conditions.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
As well as wounds. Well.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
The evidence is pretty light, has a long history of
use and appears to be quite safe overall.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Another fascinating herb needed more studies. We see that a
lot when we look at our herbs. In our next.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Episode, we will be exploring another interesting in common Chinese herb,
sure MoU or Animarina rhizoma or just ani morina rhizome.
This herb is in the Chinese medical subcategory of herbs
that drain fire category, under the category of herbs that
clear the under the category of verbs that clear heat.
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This is common only used herb or cooling heat while
also generating yin and fluid fluids to moisten dryness, and
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Today we are going to be talking about an interesting
Irebtic herb, and again I I'm not sure about pronunciation
on this stuff, so please bear with me if I'm
totally butchering it. But I believe it's Forsaka or it
could be vasica. I I'm not sure. And this is
an interesting one because I actually had it as a
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completely different species, but as I studied it, the actual
species is Justicia at of Tota.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I think I had it out of Tota as the as.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
The genus name, and there was a different species name,
which is a ballad synonym. But it seems like the
most correct species name for this herb is Justishia out
of Toda and.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's also commonly known as malabar nut.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So, without further ado, I am, as always your presenter,
doctor Greg Sperber.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Let's get into it. Today's episode will be.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Looking at another herb of the world of Asaka of
Justicia out of Toda.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Or malabar nut. This is a relatively well known ire
Vedic herb used for over two thousand years and is
used primarily for respiratory complaints, though different preparations are used
for other applications.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I just before we go too, for I want to
go back to this two thousand years thinking, because a
lot of herbs are say that have been used for
thousands of years, and they very well maybe and they've
they've found some evidence of them being used thousands.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Of years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
This one, there were just a lot of quote saying this,
this is over two thousand years old, but nothing specific.
So please take that two thousand years as with a
little a grain of salt, which we should always do
once we get past about one thousand or fifteen hundred years.
But as always, we will do our deep dive into
this herb and look at its traditional uses and its preparation,
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interactions and cautions and see if the science supports its use.
And as usual, we'll be adding something a little different.
We are going to look at the similarities and differences
between iron vedic and Chinese herbal medicine. I found it
an amazing article that I'm going to summarize for you
about the differences between those because I will get into it.
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Often I figure out what each episode is a little
something different after I'm done with developing the rest of
the episodes. Sometimes I know what I'm gonna do before,
but most often I kind of developed an episode and
then go, Okay, what am I going to do for
a little something different? Often like today, I will find
something that I think will be awesome for a little
something different as I'm researching the episode.
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Which is why I kind of do it that way.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Going back a long time over thirty five years now,
my martial arts instructure would instructor would say that many
aspects of Chinese martial arts and possibly medical arts stem
from or are derivations.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
From the Indian and iervedic thought.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So he would say that the the Irevetic or the
Indian side, they were very good at figuring this stuff out,
and then the Chinese were very methodical, so they'd add
very specific methodologies to things, and together it came out
with something really amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So when I stumbled on an excellent.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Article entitled Iervetic Herbal Medicine and its relation to Chinese
herbal Medicine, it was a fit for today's episode as.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
We're talking about an iarebetic herb couple that with.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
It was written by Sabouti Darmananda, a very distinguished author
whose articles always show a deep understanding of Chinese medicine,
and with the background in iabetic medicine, it is going
to be a very interesting discussion.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
While this little.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Something different is based on this article from doctor Darmananda.
I encourage you all to read it for yourself, as
it is a long and deep read, which I don't
think I can do complete justice too.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You can you can see where to get it.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
If you're if you're online, you're going, of course, just
look it up.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But I have it. If you have the notes, it's
in the bibliography.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's a fantastic you want to look for Darmananda and
uh I put in iabetic and Chinese verbal medicine. He
has a ton of articles. I gotta say, I I
don't know how he's written so many great articles, and
I just every time I come across one of his articles,
I I've learned something, which is not easy to do
with a lot of the articles that are out there.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
So I love his articles in general.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I think I met him once, but kind of before
I knew that he had done so many great things,
so I don't I don't think I appreciated it and
when I met him. But it's just fantastic articles. So
this is a great article. So there's gonna be a
lot of quotes from the article, and then I'm gonna
throw in some of my own thoughts as we go
along so Iveda is often translated as quote the science
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of life unquote. How doctor Darbanada suggested it is less
science and more religious, saying Ireveda is an instruction for
enhancing life rather than science for enhancing life. I think
that's really interesting, kind of gets into the philosophy. And
he actually, he's as we're about to say. He says,
this is very similar to Chinese medicine as well, which
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I think is an interesting thing, and I don't think
we should.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You know, you know, we know that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Chinese medicine works those of us who use it a lot,
but it also the science is getting there, but it
isn't fully behind it either, So it's kind of an
interesting thing to say. It compares this to Chinese medicine,
saying aerobatic medicine has some relevance to Chinese traditional medicine.
Both systems are instructional rather than scientific, and are fundamentally
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aimed at enhancing life. Both are additionally focused at treatment
of specific diseases that plagued ancient societies for centuries. Nearly
half of the most commonly used herbs in each of
these two Asian medical systems India and China are the
same or similar, and their actions are described in somewhat
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overlapping terms. For example, in both systems, herbs are described
according to the symptoms they treat, their warming or cooling nature,
and their influence on the body humors. What differs is
the basic set of categories of disharmony, the diagnostic and
therapeutic groupings and traditional Chinese medicine. The correspondence systems of
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yin and yang and the five elements have a strong influence,
as do the depictions of certain bodily humors cheat blood,
moisture and essence.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
He says, moisture.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know, we usually translate that as fluids and essence
and the internal organ systems or the zongfu in Irvenic medicine.
Although the total system is quite complex, there is a
dominance of the three do shells known as the tri
Dosha system Kafa pitavata, also called value. These three function
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within a body that is described primarily in terms of
stages of transformation following the path of congestin food as
it is converted into essential substances that comprise the body,
rather than by physical structures and functional organs.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
This is where I just want to continue to quote.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
The article because it's so well done, I am going
to indulge the search.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
A little longer.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
How to interject there and kind of put my own
spin on things a little bit before I just quoted
indefinitely the reliance on a triad of influences on health
and disease sometimes forces Iravetic medicine into a relatively sim
simplistic system, which has had the effect of strangling its development.
Compared to Chinese medicine. The enforced alignment with so called
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cosmological speculations was a problem that also affected Chinese medicine.
With a five element and six ch environmental influences systems
we would call it six CHI or six pathogenic factors
or pathogenic g systems had a stifling effect because everything
was forced to fit even when reason and experience indicated otherwise.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I like that he's bringing this up because this is true.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I mean, I still remember, you know, I got my
first teachings of Chinese medicine from my martial arts instructor,
and he said, okay, look you look at something like
the stomach and the spleen, the spleen being digestive organ
those make sense, as you know, and young pairs but
when you start looking at like the heart and the
small intestine.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
How the heck are those young yin and young pairs?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And he was skeptical of it as well, even though
he was very much into Chinese Chinese theory and Chinese
medical theory as well. So I've always had a little
bit of that kind of inculcated into me.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So, continuing with Dermanona's article, Chinese medicine made an escape
from its philosophical binds through constantly reworking of the basic
system by strong minded and experienced commentators. Iervetic medicine did
not have a similar transformation, and so it struggles with
certain inconsistencies that date back to a much earlier age
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without having been addressed at least in any preserved writings
in the interim. Iervetic Chinese and other traditional systems are
today yielding their theoretical and experiential frameworks to investigation by
modern scientific techniques applied mainly for the purpose of illustrating
the effectiveness of remedies that have been developed over the centuries.
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And I would say, in the absence of these theoretical
sort of frameworks in this context, you underlining theoretical framework
fades away, and the tested substances become the focus of
a new international effort preventative healthcare and disease treatment. Herbal
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formulas developed today rely on a combination of traditional and
modern indications for the use of the medicinal materials. Domerinonda
then continue to discuss the original source books verbs in
the Chinese medical tradition, the wangdi in Ajing or Yellow
Emperor's Classic of Internal Medicine, written about one hundred BCE,
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which he actually breaks down into its two components, the
su wen or basic questions and the Lingshu or the
there's different translations of this for the center pivot or
something along those lines, and the ioretic tradition. The Karak
Samhita or compenium of Karaka and the Susruda Semhita or
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companium Cusruda, both written about one hundred CE, so those
are about two hundred years later. Together, the Chinese texts
are about six hundred pages in translation, while the Diabetic
texts are twenty seven hundred pages in translation. The Chinese
siu win again, this is a component of the of
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the punkin Aging yell Emper's Classic of Internal medicine. So
Chinese zu Win and Indian Karaka each present steps to
take in one's daily life to promote health. They also
describe causes of disease such as environmental dietarian emotional factors,
present information about specific diseases and disease progression, and offer
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therapeutic measures. Whereas the su Win mainly recommends acupunctures the
therapy to be used for diseases, the Kraka mainly presents herbs, oil,
massages and enemas. In that aspect, the Kraka is comparable
to a different pair of Chinese books, the chakum Lung
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Treaty sun diseases caused by cold pathogens and the Jingue
Yao Jua misslanus diseases in their treatment.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
So both of these were actually.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
One book and they were split up later on into
two books. So this is still just it's technically one
book originally, and this was written about two hundred actually
it's often given to twenty CE, so this would have
been one hundred or so years one hundred and twenty
years after the Kraka. Those texts mainly present rbal therapies. Yes,
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when I talk about the chak Lung and the Jingue
Yao La Yao Lua. I talk about them being the
oldest existing books on herbal formulas, so these are really
about herbs. The use of therapeutic massage with specific oils
according to the disorder being treated, and heavy alliance on
enemas usually made with an oil base, is unique to
the Aavetic system. Applications of oils internally and topically is
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often referred to in recent books as olation. While the
Chaqua Mung and Jingue Liao Lua, originally a single book
and later divided, are their earliest existing Chinese books on
ribal formulas, there has been a long reliance on various
material medica texts throughout the centuries. Dormananda says arabetic medicine
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has not had as rich a tradition of material medica works,
with much reliance placed still on the contents of the
Karaka in nineteen oh eight, so this is after centuries
of a lot of development in Chinese I mean millennia
and a lot of development of Chinese medicine. In nineteen
o eight, doctor K. M. Nodcarnia published a two volume
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Indian Material Medica, A Guide to Areveda that is still
considered the standard text. It combines information from ancient traditional practices,
current iovetic practices, and reports from Europeans, such as analysis
of active constituents, pharmacology and European uses of.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The same herbs.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Unlike the Chinese material medica books, this Indian text makes
no references to previous works on Indian herbs, does not
outline any history of the development of the drugs, does
not indicate when an herb was introduced into practice, and,
except for occasional references to Karaka, doesn't quote earlier authors
on aerobetic medicine except for those working.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Right around the time of its publication.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
The proper translation and understanding of the key element of
the Aabatic tradition, the tridosha, remains at the heart of
making an iovida accessible to those who did not grow
up with and assiduously study this field well. Darminina adds
a lot more context and correlations. He does a great
job of discussing similarities between these medicines and the following text.
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As long as one is quote. So long as one
is careful not to rigidly link Indian and Chinese traditional ideas,
it is possible to make reasonable comparisons of the properties
of herbs and their therapeutic actions. For example, rather than
describing excess and deficiency conditions as done in the Chinese system,
biaerbetic system tends to depict on one hand excitation or
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disturbance quote vitiation, and on the other hand what might
be termed sluggishness of the Doshas still, these imbalances correspond
in practice with the Chinese excess and deficiency concepts. These
linkages are roughly as follows. Kafa corresponds very roughly to
the Chinese concepts of yin moisture and phlegm. That is,
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it has wet qualities and tends towards coldness and heaviness.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Herbs that are.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Classified in the Chinese system as moisturizing, several slain shaded,
slain cheet tonks.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Are described as having this property.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yin nourishing and cooling generally fit well with the concept
of increasing CAFA to counteract its relative deficiency. Herbs that
are classified as drying, dispersing, and warming generally fit well
with the concept of calming or decreasing coffa to counteract
its excitation. Coffa excess corresponds with formation of swellings, abscesses,
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and cysts. Pitta corresponds fairly closely with the Chinese concepts
of chi, especially stomach chi and fire. That is, it
has warming, supplementing, and dispersing qualities. Herbs that are classified
in the Chinese system as tonifying chi, vigorating the stomach
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swing system and dispersing cold stagnation, spilling, chill, aromatic, moisture, resolving,
et cetera fit well with the concept of invigorating pitta.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Herbs that are.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Cooling, anti inflammatory, and sedative fit well with the concept
of calming pitta. That excess corresponds with feverish conditions, hyperactivity,
and inflammation. Vata corresponds somewhat with the Chinese concept of chi,
especially meridian chi, lung chi, and kidney chi. Young and
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internal wind herbs atonifhi chi promote cheese circulation, invigorate young,
and improve nervous system functions correspond reasonably well with the
Indian concept of invigorating vata. Herbs that calm internal wind
and have sedative function fit well with the concept of
calming vada vata. However, there is a particular distinction between
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the Chinese and Indian concepts and the Chinese system, promoting
chiain and enhancing internal wind are usually associated with increasing heat.
By contrast, in the Indian system, vatas associated with cold,
so increasing Vata is attained in part by cooling rather
than heating. This diametric opposition in a fundamental area of description,
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cold versus hot leads to obvious differences in the way
some herbs common to both traditions are used. Overall, Pitta
and Vada are especially distinguished in the Indian system by
the hot versus cold properties. Vata and Kafa are distinguished
in the Indian system primarily by the dry versus moist properties. Okay, well,
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the article continues. We will continue with today's aiabetic herb.
That herb is Justicshia out of Tota or asaka as
as many as we're going to find. There's a lot
of other names for this as well. It's in the
family at Canthus, canthe canthus, Cantha, ci a Canthasia.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And sometimes I wish I took Latin.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I have a friend who did Latin species, So as
I said, the species is just Sishia out of Tota.
L Remember the l stands for the biologists who first
classified it in this case, just the simple L means Linaeus,
who's the first one who kind of established the system
on the binomial system that we use today for classification.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
But there are lots of synonyms.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Including at a Lota, serrata, raf out of toto pubscenz
moinsch at of Tota vasica knees. That was the one
that I was originally using for this for this herb,
as I said, I think Justicia atatota is more correct,
though still see that a lot at of Tota vasica kneese,
at Atta zelanica, medic Diane Thera, ladifolia, selasb and Echbolium
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out of Tota l in parentheses kunce Again those are
biologists and uh gender Russa out of Tota l.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
In parentheses, stewed Steu t so lots of different.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Species, and I saw a lot of is in the literature.
Like I said, Justicia adetota seems to be the most
correct today, though I saw atatoto vasca quite a bit
as well as several of these others.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
The medicinal part of this herb.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Many parts of the plant are used meddictionally, including the leaves, roots.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Flowers, and bark.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Other names for this Thesaka is sanskrit a doosa is Hindi.
Also dulsa aradusi a arusha adathodai, bakash bonsa, bassik bisudi
becker b h e kk R. Can please excuse some
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of my pronunciations here at a loda, cam a dousoge
at a seramu vasa lion's muzzle, and stallion's tooth.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I like those last two. Talk a little bit about
that cant a family.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
There I can finally pronounce them properly, the Canthothia, and then,
of course a Canthosia or a canthus family consists of
di coutli.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Di cut lidice flowering plants, and we're going to talk
about that right now.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
The dicot Lidans die cut li lidons Dicotolidons there we go,
also called dicots, refers to a plant having two embryonic
leaves or cutalodons. There are approximately two hundred and fifty
genera and two five hundred species. The family has simple,
opposite decussated or crossing leaves with entire margins and no stipules.
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Stipules remember, little like little stems between the leaf and
the and the actual stem. Many plants in this family
are used medicinally and maybe anti viral and fungal, anti inflammatory,
anti poetic, insecticidal and pawdo protective so it helps the
liver and ant type platelet aggregation. So lots of positive
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potentials from this family's various plants in this family.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
History.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The history is interesting about this herb, and that has
been very difficult to find any all of my sources,
several books and several web searches in many articles say
Justicia added tota has been used for thousands of years,
and that seems to be the entirety of the history
of this herb, at least as far as I can determine.
I do not know why all these sources say it
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has been used for thousands of years. They all say it,
and not one of them gave any justification for why
they say it's been used for thousands of years. There
was one article which had a little bit more than
other sources about the history of this herb. Justicia addatota
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has long been part of traditional aerobatic Indian and nani
Arab European medicine, with its roots, leaves, flowers and bark
all used in various preparations to treat elements ranging from
coughs to asthma. During the twentieth century, scientists began to
recognize the study its usefulness, with asaka syrup and liquid
extract appearing in the Indian Pharmacopeia in nineteen fifty five.
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Four years later in the Indian research study outlined the
bronchodilatory or the opening of the bronchials and lungs activity
of the justicio atatota alkaloid vacininone, while the late nineteen
fifties also saw the development of brom hexine, a vasicine
derived drug to clear mucus from the respiratory tract by
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the pharmaceutical company Barringer Ingelheim.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
So these are both.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Derivatives the vaccine and the and the vasicininone are both
in this particular, herb brom hexine, introduced to the market
as bisolvon, came into medicinal use in nineteen sixty six,
was followed in late nineteen seventy by umbroxol, a semisynthetic
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bram Hicks hexine metabolite to treat respiratory diseases associated with
viscid or excessive ukis now that the original pattern has expired,
Generica ambroxol products are available from many companies, and on
Broxol lozenges for the treatment of sore throats were introduced
in two thousand and two. Wikipedia don't like using Wikipedia
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as a great source for all of these things, but
sometimes it just has an invasion you don't find elsewhere,
so sometimes.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I throw it in there.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So Wikipedia says Atatota means untouched by goats in Tamil.
The name derives from the fact that animals like goats
do not eat this plant due to its extreme bitter taste.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's what I have for the history other uses.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
There does not appear to be major other uses for
the serve, at least in the common literature. In other words,
it's primarily so one of the things that is, it's
primarily medicinal, though there are some peoples who do use
it as a food source or as one of potential
food source, so their food might.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Be another use here other than just medicinally. Traditional uses.
Lots of potential traditional uses, lots of sources. Most sources referring.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
To this herb start by saying it has been used
for centuries or millennia for treating respiratory conditions, especially asthma
and chronic bronchitis. Aervetic herbs the comprehensive resource for aavetic
healing solutions by Sodi.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
We're gonna mention his name a bit in this.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Says Atatota vasica, a small evergreen evergreen shrub as a
multitude of uses in traditional araveda and is best known
for its effectiveness in treating respiratory conditions.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
The leaf buds of.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Vassaca are chewed sometimes with ginger by Yogi's or Sadhoo's
and this has been has a stimulant.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Effect on the respiratory system. So I gotta be I.
I don't think I'd come across this word sad who's before?
So I had to look it up. So a sadhu.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is a religious ascetic, medicant or any holy person in
Hinduism and Jainism, Jayanism, Jai and Im.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I haven't heard that word before who has renounced the
worldly life. So that's what intic means. So that's a
sad who.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
So moving on, as back to the quote, as an
anti spasmodic and an expectorant, Basca has been used for
centuries with so much success in treating asthma, chronic bronchitis,
and other respiratory conditions, or recently the server has been
studied for its potential in treating tuberculosis. All parts of
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atatota and vasca have medicinal value. A powdered form of
the herb, boiled in sesame oil is used to heal
ear infections and to arrest bleeding. Boiled leaves of basica
in the form of a poultice are used to treat
rheumatic pain and to relieve the pain of urinary tract infections.
At of Tota asica well, remember that's another name for this,
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just tissue out of tota.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Alotota.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Vasca also is believed to have abortifacient properties. Is commonly
used in some parts of India to stimulate uterine contractions
which speeds childbirth, so it can cause an abortion of bortifation.
It is ABORTIFATIONI and it also can be used in
childbirth as well. This plant too is used to stem
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bleeding in conditions such as peptic ulcers, gingivitis, excessive menstrual bleeding.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
And hemorrhoids.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Another book major herbs of aer Veda by Williamson or
edited by Williamsons says Atatota Assica has been most commonly
used for the treatment of respiratory complaints and diseases such
as coughs, colds, and asthma. Leaves are boiled and taken
orally for fevers, and warmed leaves are applied externally for
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rheumatic pains and dislocation of joints. The powdered, the powder
boiled and sestameal is used as a local application for
ear infection and to stop bleeding.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
In Nepal, a dried water extract of.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Leaves is used to relieve stomach acidity, and in Bihar
and other parts of India, a decoction of the leaves
is used to facilitate childbirth or induce abortion. A paste
of the leaves is sometimes applied to the abdomen to
treat urinary disorders.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
The leaves and.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Flowers are cooked as a vegetable in the Kasi tribe
in India. Has been used by European herbal practitioners as
an anti spasmodic expectorant and febrifuge. Febrifuge is a fever reducer.
Dunkar which had a review article A. Dukhar and their
team say similar things. All parts of the jayad of
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Tota has been used for their curative effects from ancient times.
Has been used in iervetics, in iabetic system of medicine
for the treatment of various elements a respiratory tract in
both children and adults. Various parts of the plant are
used in the Indian traditional medicine for the treatment of
asthma joint pain. It says lumber pain, but I think
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it means lumbar pain. That is a direct This was
not the best edited article, so that was I should
put a sick there as I see, just to show.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
That that was the original article.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Sprains, cold cough, exima, malaria, rheumatism, swelling, and venereal diseases.
Jadatota has also been used by European medical practitioners. The
fluid extract intincture were used in England as an anti
spasmodic expector in febrifuge. It was said to be beneficial
in the intermin typhus fever in diphtheria.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
In Germany, the leaves are used as an.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Expectrant a spasmolytic agent. In Sweden, jay Adatota is classified
as a natural remedy and some preparations against cough containing
an extract with osaka are accessible. Dunkar and the team
goes on to discuss the uses of various parts of
the earth. The whole plant is used as an ingredient
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of numerous popular formulations, including cough suroup used in combination
of gingers zinjabbar off ficionale and tolsi olsimum sanctum. That's
not a nerve I'm familiar with where it exerts its
actions as an expectorant and an anti spasmodic. Plant is
used for treatment of excessive phlegm and mineragia in Sri Lanka.
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Minoragias is basically bleeding outside of the menstrual vaginable bleeding
outside menstrol in between. No, it's excessive menstrual bleeding. I'll
get it right eventually. So. Also used for the treatment
of leading piles, which is an old term for hemorrhoids, impotence.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
And sexual disorders. A yoga practice is.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
To chew the leaf buds loan or with a little
ginger roup to clear the respiratory passages in preparation for
the vigorous breathing exercises. Various preparation of leaves are used
for curing bleeding, hemorrhage, skin diseases, wounds, headache, and leprosy.
In Southeast Asia, the bruised fresh leaves are used for
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snake bites. In India and Sri Lanka, usually yellow leaves
are exploited for cough and smoke from leaves is used
for asthma. Plant leaves are used for checking postpartum hemorrhage
and urinary trouble. Leave powder boiled and sesame wo is
used to stop bleeding earaches, as well as plus from
yours and jaundice. Decoction and ash of leaves are used
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for bronchial complaints such as asthma, tuberculosis, antipyretic which means
it reduces fevers and relieve acidity. Leaves are toxic to
all forms of lower life that's a quote, and have
insecticidal effects. It's also used for stomach catar with constipation, gout,
urinary stone and warm leaves used externally for phbumatic pains
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and dislocation of joints.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
His word qatar is.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
An old or old word that every time I read
it I can never quite remember exactly what it means.
It's always usually hear about it with respiratory, like you
know costs with guitar stuff. But quitar is an inflammation
of mucus membranes in one of the airways or cavities
of the body, usually with reference to the throat and
paranasal sinuses.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
In this case we're talking about the stomach.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Moreover, the preparation of leaves in spirit is used for
curing the wealthy person suffering from certain humors.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
In Myanmar Myan mar So that's the leaves, Let's go
to the roots.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
The extract of roots of j Outatota is commonly used
by rural population against diabetes, cough, and certain liver disorders.
The paste powdered and decoction of root is used for
curing tuberculosis, diphtheria, malarial fever, leukerhea, which is white discharge
for the vagina and eye diseases. In Southeast Asia, the
(35:07):
paste of roots mixed with sugar and used for treatment
of acute nightfall and Sidapur District, Uttar Pradesh, India. So
I never heard this term nightfall before, so I had
to look it up to nightfall is the occurrence of
spontaneous orgasm and ejaculation, usually during sleep.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
In medical terms, it's called nocturnal emission. I never heard
of term nightfall before, so there you go.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Moreover, the mass rayed roots of jay out of tota
are applied to on the pubic region in vagina to
help paturition and it facilitates the expulsion of fetus. The
root to coction is also used for ganor rhea.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Flowers.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
The fresh flowers are used for apthalmia. Again, not a
term that I'm super familiar with.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
What it means is inflammation of the eye.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So falmia and various preparations of flowers are used for
treatment of cold thesis. I had to look up thesis
as well, which is basically a progressively wasting or consumptive
disease condition, especially pulmonary tuberculosis. So it's another way it's
basically wasting disease. So that's thesis thesis. I have a
(36:23):
look up how to pronounce it too. Asthma, bronchitis, cough,
anti spasmodic fever, and gunnery. In Southeast Asia, bars are
also used as antiseptic to improve blood circulation and hectic
eat of the blood. The fruit of jay outatota are
used for curing cold, anti spasmodic bronchitis, jaundice, diarrhea, dysentery.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Fever, and as a laxative.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Another review article by Chadhari and their team says folk
uses include Atatota. Vascaca commonly known as vasacar or jayad
Tota is the most important aabatic herb which is mainly
used in respiratory diseases including chronic bronchitis, whipping cough, and
asthma for both children and adults. Glycodin, which is a
(37:15):
significant product isolated from the leaves of anatotavasica, is used
to cure bronchitis. Reported studies reveal that the leaves of
the avasica plant are used to induce abortion by seventy
percent of the pregnant women in Goa village of Lucknow.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
In Sri Lanka.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It is used as a sedative expectrant to treat excessive phlegm,
mucus with bacteria in the debris off of inflammatory cells
and mineragia disorder of endometrial lining of the of the uterus.
It acts as an anti spasmonic and an and helmint
mintic drugs of anti warm drug and is also used
(37:57):
to treat diseases like bleeding, piles again, the hemorrhoids, impotence,
and sexual disorders. As the planet is a rich source
of vitamin C, it possesses various therapeutic properties like anti inflammatory,
anti bleeding, anti jaundice, anti diabetic disinfectant. I don't know
if i'd equate vitamin C with a lot of those
potential therapy properties, but okay. Also, the plant has been
(38:19):
used to treat cold cough, pneumonia, fever, jaundice, whooping cough,
catar asthma, and whooping cough again.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Whooping coff this is a quote, okay.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Traditionally, various parts of the plant are used to treat
diseases like asthma, joint pain, sprains, lumbar pain, malaria, cold cough, exema, rheumatism, swelling,
and venereal disease.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
In England, the fluid. This seems very similar to what
we just read.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Fluid extracted from sleeves used as an anti spasmodic expector
in febrifuge is also advantageous against typhus, fever and diphtheria.
These to this planet, are used as a spasmolytic agent,
as an inspectorant in Germany, and sweeten the extract of
the adatoda vasaca plans used to prepare medicine against cough.
(39:06):
Various parts of the plant play a significant role to
cure different diseases.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Still in traditional uses, a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Of different uses, seeing a lot of the same things,
but from slightly different sources and perspectives. WebMD, which I
consider to be not a bad source on the web.
So WebMD says malabar nut is used to loosen chest congestion,
open the breathing tubes of bronchi, and treat spasms. It
(39:38):
is used for upper airway infections common colds, cough, asthma,
and tuberculosis.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
So we're talking about traditional uses.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
So let's discuss the traditional irava properties of the service
described by Sodi and as I do, I want to
remind us of what the properties mean. So the gunas
describe ten pairs of is used to describe medicinal and
other substances. Justicia ad atota is considered lagu or light
and rukshaw dry. The rasa or taste.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Refers to the sixth tastes in diabetic medicine. The herb
is tikta or bitter, and kashaya or astringent. The viria,
which is spelled both.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
V I r y a or v e e r
y a or energy is the energy or ponency of
herbs and is considered heating or cooling.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
And jaud of toota is is shita or cold. Again,
excuse my pronunciations.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
The vipaka or post digestive effects relate to quote quote
relate to processes of absorption and elimination. The final outcome
of digestion and ja out of toota is katu or pungent.
And the do doshes which we talked about at the
beginning of the tridosos. The doshes refer to the three
(41:02):
basic types of constitution. J Adatota pacifies both kapfa and pitta.
So that's where those that plays in colms both the
cafa and the pit upright, let's talk about dosage and preparation.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
WebMD we're starting off.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
WebMD says the appropriate dose Melbourne note depends on several
factors such as the user's age, health, and several other conditions.
As time, there's not enough scientific information and determined an appropriate.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Range of doses for the malabarn nut.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
So basically what they're saying is they can determine what
it was from the literature, though there are lots of
sources on dosine in preparation which we're gonna get into
right now. Sodi says the dose should be two to
five millimeters for liquid extract. I don't like that because
that doesn't tell us the strength of the extract, which
(41:53):
I think it really needs to.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
But that's what it says.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Ten to twenty milliters of leaf for flower juice, ty
to eighty mili liters of root decoction, and one hundred
milligrams twice per day for ten to one.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
For ten to one extract.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
See, that's what we need, is that kind of information
to term proper dosing with that liquid extract. Earlier Williams
Williamson agrees with these doses, but does but does not
include the dose for the extract.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Kumar discusses dosing. The drug.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Visoka is often taken in the form of juice extracted
from its leaves mixed with ginger or honey in doses
of fifteen to thirty mili liters. Leaves can be made
into a decoction, or the dried leaves can be given
in powder powder form and doses of two grams. Both
the decoction and powder are constituents of many preparations used
in the aobatic medicine or various afflictions of affect affectations
(42:54):
affections says, affections of.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
The respiratory tract.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
The root and the bark have the same medicinal uses
as the leaves. The decoction of the bark is given
in twenty given in thirty to sixty milliter doses, the
powdered root bark in zero point seventy five to two
grams doses. So that's their dosage and to a certain
exemp preparation. It's about the quality.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Don't have a lot to say about it.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
It was difficult to find anything on what makes good
quality just tissue out of tota. Those articles discussing quality
JFS out of tota focused on its chemical constituents, which
we will discuss shortly. In other words, what is in
it that And of course when you start kind of
going this is primary constituents, then more of those constisuents
(43:43):
generally mean higher quality when it comes from a strictly
sort of pharmacological point of view, which really, when I'm
talking about quality, I'm like, when you're out looking at it,
what is good quality versus poor quality?
Speaker 1 (43:54):
And I couldn't find anything specifically on that medical actions
of the serve.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
After an extensive search to several textbooks in Google search terms,
I was able to find one source discussing Jay out
of Tota and Chinese terms, and it was a sales
page on the website made in China. This page says
Jay out of Toota's Chinese name is yadzui Hua that's
y A z u i h u a, and is
(44:24):
bitter as stringent and cool, clears heat and cools the blood,
and his anti inflammatory and relieves pain. And indications include
blood heat, liver heat, bile heat, polyemia, which I don't
know what polyemia means.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
I just don't and I looked it up and there
wasn't anything on the web. So my guess is that
was some sort of obscure translation from Chinese, and I
don't know what the word actually means.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Says Chinese medical actions. Not a great source for these
Chinese medical actions, though, you know what I'm I'm starting
to get a little bit more comfortable with is translating
some of these some of this stuff into Chinese actions,
and this seems pretty good from what I can tell
from the iavetic actions and some of the traditional uses
(45:11):
of this, I think this is probably a pretty decent
approach to.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
The Chinese medical actions.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Comparisons and combinations. Other than the combination of ginger with
a herb, there weren't any other direct comparisons or combinations.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
For the serb in our literature searches. We just didn't
see anything. So I'd like to be able to do that.
We can't always do it.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Contents, So remember that review article by Donkar and their
team discusses the vital chemistry of this herb. The chemical
compounds found in j adatota plant includes essential oils, bats, resins, sugar, gum,
amino acids, proteins, and vitamins, c et cetera. The fintal
(45:58):
chemical analysis show that phenols, tannins, alkaloids, anthraquinones, sapinins, flavonoids,
and reducing sugars were found in the leaves of Jada toota.
We've talked about a lot of these in some of
our little something different in past episodes, so you can
always look at those. But the pharmacologically most studied chemical
(46:18):
component in jayadatota is a bitter quinizoline alkaloid vaccine. We
mentioned that earlier which the technical name for this is
one two three nine tetrahydropyrol two to one b quinozolin
three all and the chemical the chemical structure the C eleven,
(46:41):
H twelve and two zero, which is present in the leaves,
roots and flowers. Besides vasasine, the leaves contain several alkaloids vacinone,
vacinol A, data dyne A, Data nine add vacinone and nicistee.
I put these in to give myself a lot of
(47:01):
trouble when I go to read that it's anicetine and
hydroxy paganine, betaine, steroids and alkanes. Vasacine is metabolized to
the cynanone and analysis of j at a total leaf
extract show that it contained point eight five percent vacinine
(47:22):
and points zero two seven percent synanone. Roots also contain alkaloids,
the cyninol, the synolone, the cynanone, and Data nine a
steroid dacosterol, sterol, carbohydrates and alkenes and the flowers triterpenes,
(47:43):
alpha amrin, flabinoids, apiginine, A Stragglin, camp camp Ferol Gerston,
the texan.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
And alkanes have been found. Okay, it's done with that
word salad. Let's talk about the science here. So Sodi,
who was the author of that book Iretic herbs Uh,
says jaded toota has various pharmacological activities including anti tubercular,
(48:15):
anti asthmatic, roncodilatory, anti parasitic, anti allergy, bortifation, uterotonic, which
means it helps the uterus. Uh. You know, oh man,
I'm totally banking on the word muscle contract. There we go.
It helps uters contract, wound healing colagogue.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Which means that it helps with the bio and as
I get older, these words kind of flip on my mouth.
Anti ulser, antibacterial, and insecticidal. The exception of some generally
poor human research for its use is in abortifation and uterotonic.
These activities are reported by in vitro and animal research.
(48:57):
In other words, not a lot of clinical research to
support these activities. Chodery and their team ad inspectorant anti inflammatory,
and power protective. So it helps liver, protects liver, hypoglycemic
and anti diabetic and anticholon esterrase activities from in vitro
animal studies in vitro end animal studies.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Coop Right, just.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
There skipped over things, so Okaychod Harry also discussed several
clinical stays showing the following activities. Oxytoxic effect with an
an equal sixty an equals twenty four, so a in
equals twenty four means through twenty four subjects helping dyspepsia
and equals twenty pyorrhea inflamed gun gums and equals twenty five,
(49:54):
and two studies treating asthma and bronchitis, one with an
end of twenty four and another with thirty. So the
reason why I'm big on putting in the ends is
because you need at least.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Thirty to forty.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Subjects before you can start using population statistics to that study.
So anything less than between thirty and forty patients means
that it is not statistically valid. It does not give
us useful information for populations. All of these are below
that threshold, except for maybe the thirty two might be
right on the borderline of that threshold. So none of
(50:28):
these studies would be what I would call significant. Still
think it's nice that we have human studies and clinical
studies to show some of these properties, but I don't
think these are conclusive in any way, shape or form.
Don Car and their team adds cardiotonic, which means it
helps the heart, and anti tuess of which stops coughing
to the list of activities.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Okay, let's talk about drug herb interactions.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Literature search did not find any mention of sacroonp for
fifty peak like approaching interactions. The American Urbal Products Association's
Botanical Safety Hambook, which is a great book on safety
aspects of herbs, does not have an entry for the serve.
It's a pretty comprehensive herb, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Have a lot of diabetic herbs and so it's not
But it has a lot of Chinese IRBs, not all
of them, but a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Kumar and his and their team says Atatota is considered
safe and recommended usage and dosing. Care should be exercised
when taking this herb with other drugs or supplements that
exhibit e spectrant or anti spasmodic effects. Sodi says no
adverse effects of using atatota and Console with other drugs
or medicine have been observed, so I think we can
(51:45):
say there aren't at least known drug.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Rib interactions for this. For this herb particularly concerns.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
According to SODI, exceptive excessive doses of bassica may cause
diarrhea and vomiting. The serve should not be by pregnant
women because of its capacity to induce abortion.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Kumar and their.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
Team says the safety of the serve has not been
tested in children, should be avoided unless directed by a
medical professional. Use of this supplement is not recommended during pregnancy,
except at birth and then only under the direction of
a medical practitioner. Treaterery and their team says usually there
are no side effects of jay out of tota plant
(52:25):
when experimented for study purposes. There's no mentioned data of
this drug that showed its adverse effects. The only data
found is that when it is taken in high dosages,
it leads to diarrhea and vomiting.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Dalk Car and their.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Team discussed toxicity and animals and did not find much
in the research. They did discuss the administration of fascining
in humans. Fscining has been tried. In a preliminary human
study being conducted for interruption of mid trimester pregnancy by
intra amniotic installation of the drug.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
Is above.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Sixty milligrams were given in twelve cases and all of
them are board within about forty eight hours. Furthermore, in
other studies, it has been shown that vassecine is a
very effective audio oxytoxic agent in oxytocic agent and human
beings in stopping postpartum hemorrhage. So oxytocin is what they're
(53:21):
referring to here, which is is a normal hormone that
is expressed during a lot of things, but especially during childbirth.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
So it's a positive. It is an effect in effect
of oxytoxic tocic agent in human beings.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
Overall, j ad atota appears quite safe when used appropriately
and with appropriate toascine. And that is where we're at today.
That was another deep dive into her biology. We talked
about submarine journey in the first one, so it's a
deep dive.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
That's the book ends here and we started our discussion today.
We look at the similarities and differences between iabatic and
Chinese herbal medicine. From there, We did our deep dive
into asaka justicia atatota malabar nut, an important ierveatic herb,
and found it can be useful for spiratory and obstetric conditions.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
As well as wounds. Well.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
The evidence is pretty light, has a long history of
use and appears to be quite safe overall.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
Another fascinating herb needed more studies. We see that a
lot when we look at our herbs. In our next.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Episode, we will be exploring another interesting in common Chinese herb,
sure MoU or Animarina rhizoma or just ani morina rhizome.
This herb is in the Chinese medical subcategory of herbs
that drain fire category, under the category of herbs that
clear the under the category of verbs that clear heat.
(54:59):
This is common only used herb or cooling heat while
also generating yin and fluid fluids to moisten dryness, and
as usual, we will be exploring something a little different.
Please join us for this exciting episode see you.
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Speaker 2 (55:21):
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Speaker 2 (56:01):
So we Americans keep the AH silent while a lot
of other When I was teaching in Australia, they always
used to make fun of me when I'd pronounce herbs.
They say, they would go, excuse me, doctors. I wasn't
a doctor, mister Sperber, do you mean herbs?
Speaker 1 (56:14):
And I'm like, no, I mean herbs, and we'd always
get into it so different pronunciations. And I lived near
the Mexican border where h's are not pronounced at all.
So there you go. Thank you very much, and as usual,
we have a nice extensive bibliography. The preceding was presented
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by doctor Greg Sperber. We would like to thank Janelle
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