September 25, 2023 • 36 mins
I met John when he came to hear me speak at the Awaken to Destiny conference at All Things Restored in Jacksonville last June. He got freedom and revelation from an activation we did, and shared his testimony.
He and I got to chatting, I realized he was a Spirit-Centered powerhouse, and the rest is history. Here he is sharing his brilliance with you…enjoy!
BIO:
John Beehner is an entrepreneur, author, mentor, and radio personality. He has spent nearly 40 years strategizing with Entrepreneurs on how to grow their businesses. In 1982 he started TEC (The Executive Committee, now called Vistage) in Florida and personally worked one-on-one with hundreds of CEOs of fast-growing, small to mid-sized companies through a round table process of problem-solving with a major focus on quality, service, and profitability.
After 13 years, with nearly 300 clients and a staff of 20, he sold the business, sensing that God was taking him in a different direction.In 1999, John founded Wise Counsel, a small group process that helps Entrepreneurs and Ministry Executives of Faith focus on the balance between their Business and Spiritual calling. John has authored 4 books on Christians in the Marketplace.
He also hosts a radio show called Inspiration316 on Jacksonville’s 91.7FM, and is highly respected in the community among Christian business leaders.
TOPICS:
– Demon in the backseat
– Full Gospel Businessmen testimony
– Saved in a hotel room
– Founded The Executive Committee, now called Vistage
– Stopping time
– 10 Commandments of Business
– Roundtable process
– Natural health
– Prayer language
– Taking risks
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– Learn more: https://askwisecounsel.com
– Find John’s books: https://www.askwisecounsel.com/books
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– Bralynn Newby Int’l. All rights reserved.
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Welcome to the Spirit Centered Business podcast, where we blend the spiritual with the
practical for supernatural results. Now here'syour host, Rolyn Nuby. Hello there,
welcome to Spirit Centered Business. I'mfor Lynn Nuby and I'm here with
a brand new guest, John Meanerfrom Ask Wise Counsel, and I'm excited
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to introduce him to you guys.But you guys have to remember that if
you haven't gone over to Spirit centeredBusiness dot com and filled out that free
business assessment to see just where yourbusiness is in the trajectory of being spirit
centered, go ahead and go overthere and get it. I would love
to be able to work with youto make sure that your business is established
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in heaven and that you're operating fromthe heavenly realms as God intended. Because
you have your own business destiny andyou don't have to try to do it
on your own. The Lord wantsto help you. Okay, John,
and welcome. Thank you, Thankyou, Brian, Thank you for having
me appreciate it. Of course.Yeah, we met in Jacksonville when I
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was speaking at All Things Restored thatwas and you had a great insight there.
So that was a lot of fun. Yes you blush. Oh good
good. I'm glad that you enjoyedit. So I was looking at you
know what you do and I andI said, you know, I need
to have this guy on spirit ciderbusiness because you've been doing this a long
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time. So I want to hearyour story. Okay, sure, all
right, Well tell us I'm justone of these guys that were strying to
make a mark in life. Youknow. I was told as a kid,
you know, the way to besuccessful is to move and to go
to the next job, and you'dmake more money the next town. I
didn't really learn a lot about Ididn't know much about Christ. My parents
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said be a good person, you'llget to heaven, always kind of thing.
And so but I ended up herein Jacksonville floor way back in nineteen
seventy six, and worked for theJacksonville Chamber of Conference and did work for
different chambers of company. Even mywife and I met on a boat going
to Europe. We were the peacecarper for two years from Brazil. But
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I changed different jobs, worked withthe roush Coming for a while and started
a business at Fale. So Ihad lots of experiences, okay, and
warts I call him and I wasstarting a new business. You're in Jacksonville,
leaving the chamber again and starting atraining business. And on my way
there, I saw a demon inthe back of my mind trying to get
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me down, and I was wrestlingmass back and forth. And so that
was a shocking experience for me becausemy mom and dad says, original system
is a demon. That's Halloween cartoonstuff. Okay, so well it was
real to me and I was greatwith fear and they got That night on
TV, I saw this little TVshow from a group called Full Gospel Businessman.
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Never heard him before, did nothingabout him. But anyway, here's
Dary Farmer from Los Angeles interviewing anattorney from Toronto, Canada. And the
attorney says, you know, mywhole life changed. My attorney toord Jesus
Christ. Stopped trying to live mylife for myself, started living in for
him. I said, wow,I started to cry. For the first
time I heard a testimony, Ifigured pastors of preest had paid to say
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the things they said, but noneof them gave a testimony. It was
not in a church where we wentto church every Sunday but didn't learn anything
particularly new, same old routine kindof stuff. But then that next day
I went to this group meeting fullgospel, when I heard a testimony again.
And then I took my King JamesBible, which I never read,
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with me down to Fort laur Islandan appointment with a big bank down there
for a training program. And I'msaying, Oh God, help me,
help me, help me, helpme. So this Bible I took was
a King James version, which Inever really read, Okay, And I've
stopped the days in that night,and here on the side of the credenza
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at the day's end is a paperbackBible published by the day's end, and
I said, wow, this iseasier to read than the one I brought.
And in the back of the bookwas a sinner's prayer. And I
ended up giving my life to Christright there in that hotel room. Cried
a lot. All that kind ofgood stuff happened. Jesus did not come
into the room. I'm very disappointedabout that. He tapped me on the
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shoulder. He didn't do it.He let me suffer a little more.
But anyway, the next day waskind to be excited because the bank people
never showed up for the meeting.Okay, Worcher's kind to let me off
the hook. But within three weeksI had a big conference set up with
a major insurance company here in Jacksonville, and I was brokering a speaker from
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Dallas, famous guy, and theysaid the next day had a conference.
So they called me the night beforeand said the guy's sick, he can't
come. But he said, theysaid, we have another man coming in
his place. He's almost as good, et cetera, et cetera. Wealth
as I hung off the phone,I'm in my spirit. And at this
point I didn't even rule a Hannispirit, didn't know a Hannis spirit or
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what that was like or what wasall about. Anyway, I kept hearing
over and over in me that thisman is coming to tell you something about
your business. And so I said, okay, I told my wife,
maybe God got this other guy sixso this other guys to tell him.
But if the guy did a great, great job speaking for us, I
took him to lunch afterwards before Ihad to find back to Dallas, and
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I kept saying, well, whatare you doing in your business? And
I'm not doing in my business.We were still in the same kind of
training business and working together in asmall way, And every time he'd say
something, I'd say, well,I'm gonna do an anim right, doing
the animal right, doing that,and then he starts to mission this thing
called tech. The executivity never heardit, didn't anything about it started Milwaukee
nineteen fifty seven on a roundtable processfor CEOs of companies, and as he
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talked about it, God stopped tyingfor me. I saw six pictures flash
in front of me if things hadalready done to prepare me to do that
business, So that at that momentI knew that was my calling. And
within about eight or nine months,I'm gone to California where they've kind of
regrouped out there with this business.Even to start in Milwaukee, a guy
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took it to California, and anyway, I was the first one on the
East coast of the United States toever get involved with it. So I
ended up getting a license for thestate of Florida, and we ended up
having three hundred CEOs executives involved allover the state of Florida. By the
time God called me to sell it, I had a lot of olive bumps
and bruises along the way, andinterferences from demons and other things. But
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I learned how to bat them awayand deal with it. And but it
was a fun ride. So innineteen ninety five, the lords telling me
to sell that business and to goand I had a five year non compete.
So anyway, I end up sellingthe business. One day, I
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was walking outside of my office andsaid, Lord, if you're trying to
get me sell the business. Yousee the buyer that led me out gracefully.
Okay. Well, the next daya guy from London calls me and
says, I want to buy yourbusiness. Okay. Well that didn't work
out, which was fine, andthen even the parent company wanted to buy
me out, and then that didn'tseem very practical either. So eventually,
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within a year and a half orso, I sold the business and was
pursuing, God, what do youwant me to do through this whole thing?
And so I was at a meetingwith the last meeting with that organization,
which at this point had grown throughoutthe United States. Okay, and
now it's in fifteen different countries.The new the name now it is called
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Vistage. I was bought by agroup. Yeah, years ago, and
so I had a five year noncompete. But anyway, the Lord told
me had that meeting to write abook on the Ten Commandments relating to business.
And I said, God, Ican't write a book or chapter.
Maybe you know what I mean.And so that kind of was He imprinted
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that on my heart, and hewouldn't let me go. Let it go,
even though I chased other dreams atthe same time. Anyway, but
what ends up happening is I hiredtwo different ghostwriters, totally insecure about writing
a book, totally fearful. Ididn't want I said, CALLI if you
want to write. If I writethis book, I don't want to run
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around the country and speak on it, which is what I did. Had
a lot of speakers. We wouldhire three hundred speakers a year to feed
me with insights and wisdom and knowledge, discernment, back, cash, blow
hiring, all these kind of things. And so anyway, at that point
in time, the Lord, Isaid, work on true different ghostwriters.
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I didn't work. And so theLord spoke to me again, said you're
going to write the book. Good, try to get other people to delegate
it. But so but at thispoint I gathered a lot of stuff.
To me, it's a big dealas testimonies. So I went after stories
about how how do people get inbusiness and how did they work and all
that. So the book ended upbeing I got to interview a lot of
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good people, and I mean booksabout gcpenny and Sam Walton, then even
Oprah went other people that created businessand James Kraft Graft Foods, you know
what I mean, the guys aboutHilton Hotels. I was going to say,
Conrad Hilton's a good story. Yeah, and so even the guy that
found a Quaker Oaks, which isa concredible story. I mean, so
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even Ray Kroc with McDonald's. Yeah. But anyway, it was a god
thing. I learned a lot,ended up publishing. It was on the
top ten sales list on Amazon thefirst year. Okay, but I actually
went through three editions finally retitled itactually called True Will By the Book,
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and it's it's a good book.I mean there's a lot of sweat and
tears that went through this thing,Okay, So it was a fun journey
when it was over, Okay.And as a result of that, of
course, it's kind of crazy.But I started I had written now four
other books and now I'm working ona fifth book right now, so it's
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not as intimidating. I've gottled throughmy insecurities and my fears and my doubts
and all that game that people getgot to play when the enemies after you
and most to chop you up atpieces. And so anyway, so after
the non compete was up, peoplewere asking me, can't we do a
Christian version of what that was roundtableprocess? And I said, yes we
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could. I prayed about it,and God gave me the name Wise Counsel,
and so I started that back inninety nine actually, and when we
first launched, and so it's beenfun. It's been exciting. It's fun,
frustrating and exciting all of one.Oh my gosh, that's awesome,
John. Yeah. So audience,in case you're wondering, you can go
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to Askwise console dot com and hisbooks are on there, so you can
go get him over there and Askwiseconsole dot com. And of course we
will put the links in the shownotes below. Wherever you're watching or listening
to this, go ahead and clickthat and those books. Thank you.
Yeah. Of course. So,so the Lord was leading you all the
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way through in your journey, asyou were moving from business to business,
you were never really incorporate. Youwere just always entrepreneurial. Is that correctly?
Was an incorporated business? Sure?Yeah? And yes still is?
I mean I have my own corporation, okay, yes, why right?
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But you you didn't have to workfor someone else in the corporate world,
right. Well, you know,the license gave me freedom to do whatever
I wanted to do. I hadto pay a royalty to them, of
course, and now they had standardstoo, you know, but the process
was good. I mean, Ididn't invent the process. A guy named
Bob Nurse in Milwaukee, Wisconsin startedit that concept. It's an interesting story.
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I'll tell you if you would liketo hear that story. Yeah,
Bob Nurse his father had started amanufacturing company. They made lawnmowers and they
would sell them to Mincom Rewards andother retailers. And one day Micom Rewards
chills up and says, hey,we're not going to buy any more lawnmoors
from you. And that was twentyfive to thirty percent of their business.
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And so the father turned the businessover to the son. He himself and
his brother. His brother died ofa heart attack, okay, and Bob
said, oh my God, whatam I going to do? Basically,
the manufacturing business went away, andhe went to church every day for like
eight or nine months, praying God, what can I do? You know
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what I mean? And he metwith a priest at Piscopal priest and one
day he just took all of hisnotes and he was pretty good at facilitating
me. He's a short, oldguy, like five foot four or something
like that, but liked and respected, and he was a good student at
the University of Wisconsin, did Donnacontinuing education through that and anyway, he
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took all of his thoughts and ideasand sat at a park bench and prayed
regard to reveal to him what hecould do. And he gave him this
whole concept of a roundtable process,you know. And there were thirteen principles
he developed, of which they're allstill used today. And so that's to
me great I got to meet him. I wrote a story about him in
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my book as well, about andTrue Wealth and how he got started.
And they still operate in obviously Wisconsinand Michigan and that kind of stuff,
even though the majority of the businessis controlled out of California, but anyways,
it's exciting. Most of the operationsin the other parts of the world
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are licensed, okay, as theyare I think still with the Vistage company,
you know. But with Wise Counsel, it was a fun process.
They get started. People knew ofme, you know what I mean,
and they knew I was a Christian. I started doing things called the Believers
in Jacksonville Conference, which was reallyan old name that had been using the
nineteen twenty year. There have beena fire here and it destroyed a lot
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of downtown and they were to stepup to the plate and put thousands of
dollars on the table to help rebuildthe city. And so we had one.
So we did the first conference andwe had two or fifty people there,
and back when that was significant,charging you like two hundred dollars,
which is a big deal compared towhat it is like today, compared with
the Internet and all the interferences andthings that go on. But it was
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fun and we even had people showup that said, well, I thought
it were just good guys that believeyou to say, no, we're believers
in Jesus Christ in the city okay, business owner. So we had fifteen
different speakers or breakout sessions and itwas a lot of fun and I did
really well. I only lost fivethousand dollars on that conference. How about
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that. It's not at all Soit was exciting. Wow, so many
poet, I'm sorry, I wasjust gonna reiterate. You were introducing the
idea of being Christian in a inthe marketplace and not being right really putting
it forward. Well, actually Iwas in nineteen let's see, it would
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have been nineteen eighty four and eightyfive. I met a guy in Tampa
because I was starting a group downthere. We had groups twenty five to
thirty different groups all over the stateof Florida by the time I sold the
business, so it was almost atwo million dollar company at that point in
time. And I met a guywho was in Tampa and he was a
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consultant and I was trying to gethim interested in leading a group and that.
He said, well, I'd loveto do that, but I'm going
to why and if I did that, I'd want to do it. I
want to do it with Christian groupsand anyway. But we got to be
good friends. He Innovator started ctwelve. I don't know if you've ever
heard of that or not, butanyway, they're in thirty five cities,
so they've grown a lot throughout thecountry. It's a franchise business. And
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I was intense cities at one time. But God told me to pull back.
As he said, John, you'vegot punt of your coverage. Okay.
I didn't call you to run aroundthe country and do all this,
okay. I want you to bemore of a thought leader, okay,
an innovator and an author and actuallyeven do radio shows. So I did
radio shows for ten different years andthat was kind of exciting and fun and
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I learned so much from that,you know. So right now, I
worked with between fifty and one hundreddifferent CEOs one on one as well as
small groups, as well as theboot camp meetings that we do once a
year, and we even guys evenmoved me into other areas to proactive health.
Unfortunately, my wife passed away acouple of years ago, and I've
been I God led me into naturalhealth versus what I call big pharm of
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health and what has happened today inour society. And so I've worked that
way, and it's I've learned alot from that, and so I bring
in speakers from different conferences we're doingon that twice a year about trying to
get people to be proactive of takingcare of themselves. You know, that
is another reason why I was veryattracted to what you were doing, because
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I think that part of my mandate, you know, is not only to
restore the influence to the influencers andactivate them and release the voices that have
been held captive, but it's alsoin order for us to leave a legacy
and fulfill the destiny that the Lordhas for us. We have to have
a longer health span, not justlife band, but a health span.
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And of course what we're talking aboutwith Big Pharma is is not God's plan.
It's a sick care system. There'sso much. You know, I'm
involved with a couple of different groupswho are working in the in health as
well and that kind of stuff.So that's exciting that you're doing that.
Awesome. Yeah good, I'm whatyou call Yeah, Yeah, I get
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that. Yeah, so I getthat. Yeah, it's fun. So
so when you look, I wantto rewind you said something that I just
want you to flesh out a littlebit more for me. Sure, you
had originally seen this demon in yourback seat, scared the heck out of
you, and then you came tothe Lord in a hotel room. But
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then there was some things that happened, and then you said you learned how
to bat the demons down, andI want to talk about that. So
they wanted you to talk about thestrategies that you learned and how did you
learn that? Okay? All right, Well, a lot of it was
the school of hard and oxygen,okay. But a couple of things that
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I could point out, one ofwhich was I was between giving my life
to Christ in that hotel room.The next week there was a meeting with
this full Gospel group here locally,and I was baptized in the Old Spirit.
I didn't know what that was.Evidence is speaking in tongues and all
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that kind of thing. And sothat started to give me revealed to me
a deeper level of Christianity, okay, and that that there's a prayer language
God can give us that helps usto walk deeper. And there's times what
I don't know what to pray forit, you know what I mean?
So this helps me God intercedes forme and so and those the way in
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the path that I have to take. Okay, that's one thing. I
mean. Another thing is, ofcourse I learned from the Christian Healing Ministry,
which is a ministry started here inJacksonville thirty years ago, and they
talked specifically around and they trained peoplearound the world. They have five hundred
intercessors around the world. From Imean, I met people from Australia and
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New Zealand and Singapore at meetings thatthey do, conferences that they do here.
They even do it now of course, all online now, so they
get double the impact. But thiswas started by a Catholic priest who was
God called to write a book onhealing, and so that led to him
getting deeper and deeper. And hiswife, Judah, still operates. He
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died at ninety five, but shestill operates the ministry and she was much
younger. But I learned a lotfrom them about dealing with that spiritual warfare
some people would call it, okay, and of course written written books.
There's there's the prayers that availed muchhave been a real blessing to me.
And there's a I put on thearmor of God every morning. That's something
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that is so profound for me,and I share that with everybody because that's
out of athesis. But I puton the armor of God in the helmet
of salvation, breastplace and the swordof the spirit, and the wordy got
a struggle in a double sort,and you're really pieced together those words that
are in that you're actually claiming toworry God over yourself, which is your
armor, your shield. In fact, I'm working right now on a fifth
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book, okay, called Don't BelieveEverything You Think. Okay, I love
that one. The enemy is tryingto tell you you're no good, you're
not smart enough, you're not intelligentenough, you're never gonna make it,
blah blah blah, all the gardens, trying to pull up your past,
your your insecurities, your fears,your doubts. That's why I couldn't get
the book done right, because you'restill working on me to say I can't
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write a book or chapter. Maybeyou know what I mean. And so
this is so I've constantly dealt withthose kind of things. I've been an
hotel rooms when I had to,you know, speak in tongues because I
didn't have no any other way toget a demon out of the room.
So I'm not all this, ofcourse, but yeah, and and that's
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a that's a common thing that peopledon't We don't learn this thing, this
stuff in church. I don't learnhow to cleanse a hotel room before we
go in so that what other peoplehave brought into that room doesn't get on
you. You know, we're nottaught these just common everyday things in church.
Yeah, yeah, I mean there'scurses, have some strongholds that come
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against us, you know what Imean. And again the enemy will try
to pull up your past and themistakes you'd made, you know, make
you feel guilty about them, andall those kind of things. And guys
are about love, forgiveness, kindness, love, the fruit of the spirit,
love, peace and joy and soand I've had a lot of speakers
to come talk about these kinds ofthese in different pieces and elements. But
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I have a blend of speakers talkingabout cash flow, marketing, hiring,
all those good things you got todo in business. I say, everybody,
everyone in business has to make aprofit. Okay, even as I
said, I said, otherwise you'renot in business. That's just ah,
your seeds to make a profit becausethey need money to keep building or hiring
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staff or you know, have cashflow workout. Well, so I say,
there is no God, show methere is no different business and ministry
in that sense. Okay, economicstill plays a role, okay, And
so every business is a ministry andevery ministry is a business. So try
to help people see that. That'swhere Unfortunately pastors think that they're saints,
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some of them. Okay, they'rebetrayed a seminary, you know, and
it's all wonderful, the Word ofGod. I love that, of course,
but their leadership skills were missing alot of times, and they don't
know the real world. I mean, I know, I mean I know
a pastor here very well who hasfears of talking about the fact that there's
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really a demon. Okay, yethe's a great teacher of the Word of
God, but he doesn't. He'safraid that you'll lose some people and this
in the church or whatever. Andhe mate, but that's part of what
you do, and you take risk, you know, if you're going to
get ahead. So so having thatmindset just shows that he realies more on
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the He has a fear of manand he reallies on the congregation to be
a provider instead of Jehovah Gira bea provider and his sam That's good,
yeah, yeah, and it's unfortunatebecause that does happen. I left church
in twenty thirteen, and I havegrown so much more since I left that
church. I was just not beingfed, you know, the same salvation
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message over and over and over.And I'm like, well, Jesus died
for a whole more than just savingme from how you know, came to
redeem everything. Yeah. So I'velearned a lot and pressed into the Lord
and grown in my intimacy with theLord, and and I'm able to walk
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that out in my business more andactually, you know, operate from the
heavenly realms like Jesus only did whathe saw the Father doing. But we're
not taught in church to go seewhat the Father's doing. Disconnect right there,
right that if we're going to runour business, we need to see
how Father, as CEO is wantsus to run our business with his plan,
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with his strategy, right right right, Yeah. I love that you're
doing that. And so you're teachingdude, are most of your clients already
stepping into this more of God orare they still back? Are they still
in the in the church Sunday morningskind of a thing and everything else still
in church on Sunday mornings for themost part. But they are, I'm
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saying, they're learning it and asmuch as they can accept at times to
go buy. I mean, we'reI'm not trying to be a pastor.
Okay, they'll operate in the businessworld, okay, but there are times.
I mean again, what the Lordshowed me in his first book,
there's these three cornerstones of build thebusiness solid foundation. One of them to
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me, it was very profound.I mean, he told me to write
about the ten commandments in business,okay, you know, having no other
guys before me, no false titlesthere not use guys. They they keep
sexual. And then the moral commandments, so those are spiritual. The moral
commandments is about how you treat otherpeople, you know, and so how
you love your neighbor, you know. The golden role of these kinds of
things are all seven six principles rightthere. But a guy called me on
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one night that was exercising, andmy wife sticks the phone in my ear,
says this guy wants to talk toyou here. You're writing a book.
I said, okay, and I'mmuffing and puffing, and he's telling
me, oh, okay, that'sinteresting about the ten commandments in business,
etcetera. Well what about the firstCommandment? I said, yeah, what
about it? I said, whatis the first amendment? He said,
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well, it's found in Genesis onetwenty eight. You know, take on
my nature and be character, befruitful. The month of my phillis to
do the room. So it's abouttaking risks. It's about seeing visions and
auctions and leading of God. Thisis where it really became a revelation for
me, because God is the vision. He's want to creates visions in us,
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even though he was the vision tocreate the whole world of course spoken
in the existence. But we're goingto take on his nature, okay.
And he's getting people visions and ideasalong the way, you know, and
calling people. In fact, thesecond book, or actually the third book
I wrote, is called the UntoldSecret. They creates true wealth. And
if you go back to the mostrepeated the parable on the whole New Testament,
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that said Matthew, Mark and Luke, and it's all about you know,
the the beaten down path, therocky soil, the thorny soil,
and the good soil, the parableof the sober. And this is where
it says that God gives visions okay, through seeds. Seeds are auncious leading
of God okay, and visions.And so he plants it in your soul,
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which is your mind you like personally, will in the motion and it
is fill a full of junk.Okay. It's a beaten down path.
So the God puts the seed onthe path, but the birds in then
that will come take the seed awaybecause you don't have enough faith or you
can't see well enough, and you'refull of doubts, you know. And
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then he takes you to rocky soil. He gives you another chance at it,
okay, get taking risks, seeingthe visions of things. And then
there it takes. You're a littlebetter and people are willing to try.
Well, I what a good idea. I should maybe try to do this,
you know what I mean? Oh, well, it's too hard.
I can't make it work. Iquit, you know. And then the
third one is he gives you anotherseed, another vision okay, And what
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happens is you're in thorny soil.And what happens in thorny soil will the
roots and that weeds come right againsttheir grass and the things you normally want
to plant and grow in there.Okay, so you're battling those things.
But if you hang in tight enough, you can make it through that time.
But the point is God's taking isto the good soil. So he
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has to allow us to get beatenup along the ways, okay, to
get to the good soil. AndI have a pastor tell me recently,
you know there's so many failing churchesout there right now, I said,
he tell me how bad it isand all. And I said, you
know what, there's just as manyfailing businesses too. And God can use
failure. Do you know. Godloves people who are failures. Okay,
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he loves people with second third chances. And I mean this is this is
part of what God wants. Hewants to break away your old thinking,
you know what I mean, breakaway from the luck that you had stored
up in your brain, or thefears or doubts at the enemy is trying
to keep plowing away in your brain, you know what I mean. And
so he has to use failure sometimesand then some people get they're so failed
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they just say, I'll just stayingin this job, but the rest of
my life, you know what Imean, I'll never take another risk.
Well that you, I pray youget to heaven. You know what I
mean. Well, the court Godmade can't count on them. So he
goes to people he thinks he cancount on, takes a risk with me.
And I mean even guy like RayTruck. And I'm not a big
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Hamburger fan. Okay, I gaveyou that up years ago. But as
a kid, of course I was. But he went into his story in
his book even says that he wentinto the McDonald's brother He was selling mixers
in drug stores. This was theyhad milkshakes and drug stores and they had
a fountain and the old time drugstores and you go in and get one
of those. Well, he soldthe mixers and was with a big company.
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In fact, he I didn't knowthis as a kid, but he
lived right behind us in Arlington,Ice, Illinois, where I was raised.
But he ends up going to SanBernardino, California to meet these McDonald
brothers because he heard they were theywere buying more mixtures than anybody else he
could even through business with, andsaid, what are these guys doing?
So he ends up showing him.He sits in the parking lot, you
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know, for a few hours,and then at new time there's lines down
the street to come get the hamburgers. And he said, I can't believe
it. So finally at two o'clockand dies down, he goes inside and
says, hey, you guys here, who's who I am going to sell
you the mixtures? Etcetera, etcetera. And he said, this guy,
this is so phenomenal what you're doing. You need to start this in multiple
locations and even franchise it. Theysaid, we tried that once to fail
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that we're not going to do that. We're staying here and we're good,
fine, you know. Finally hesays, damn, well, can I
franchise it for you? Okay?Then they're giving me a try. So
at des points all the way heopened up the first one. But he
when he was in there, whenhe said this to these guys, he
said, my god, you havea gold mine here. And he said,
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my God, he claimed the wordof God. Now he probably wasn't
a Christian strong Christian guy, butthe heart of God was moving on him
to take risk and take what theseguys had done and take it to a
different level. M Yeah. Mostpeople think that the business that McDonald's is
then as selling hamburgers, but that'snot the truth. Yeah, they are
in real estate. They're the secondreal estate owner at the second to the
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Catholic Church in the world. That'sright, Yes, well that's their economic
tool for sure. Exactly the bestcorner locations in the in the biggest cities
and everywhere in the world. It'sthat best location. Yeah, yeah,
yes, yes, Now they areserving people. I mean, God wants
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people to keep eating. Okay,probably not eating that though. Well,
the story of Starbucks is it's kinda similar story. I don't know if
you've researched that one or not,but well I've only researched the evil roots
of It's got the story of howthe business came to be. Well,
this is we have a problem inAmerica right now. Especially it's about greed.
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Okay, there's so many businesses thatare caught up in what the stark
market and that people who have gotthe most money in the world are saying
about money and growth and making money, and they're buying up a lot of
small businesses with five and ten locationsand what they call it roll up,
okay, and they're taking out serviceand they're taking out it doesn't matter who
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works for them. I had aguy, a client, had eleven stores.
He sold out to a chain thatwas trying to roll up to get
to one hundred stores, and hewas giving fifty percent of the profits away.
It was a god thing. Andhe'd learned from a group in the
state of Washington or Oregon. RatherI was doing that and the business and
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it became a phenomenal success. Imean a manage the structure, change and
attitudes, hard customers loved it,etcetera, etcetera. But greed is not
of God, you know, andso this God's not the love of money.
I mean, it's the love ofservice, quality, service, all
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of these things. Right. Supplyingto the customer, the supplier, the
right products is really what helps people, you know, move forward and love
one another through a business. Apurpose of a business still to love people,
care about them, you know.Right, The old rule applies absolutely.
Johnas has been a great conversation.I need to we need to land
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the plane for this segment, andwe'll come back for a part two and
we'll tell everybody what you guys areworking on the workshop that's coming up October
fifth, right, Thank you,yes and and so you guys, and
go to check out the show notesbelow, to go to Asthwise Council dot
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com to get all of his booksand to sign up for the programs and
see what else he has over there. So until next time, stay spirit
centered, peace out. Thank youHey there, SCB peeps. I want
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Welcome to the Spirit Centered Business podcast, where we blend the spiritual with the
practical for supernatural results. Now here'syour host, Rolyn Nuby. Hello there,
welcome to Spirit Centered Business. I'mfor Lynn Nuby and I'm here with
a brand new guest, John Meanerfrom Ask Wise Counsel, and I'm excited
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to introduce him to you guys.But you guys have to remember that if
you haven't gone over to Spirit centeredBusiness dot com and filled out that free
business assessment to see just where yourbusiness is in the trajectory of being spirit
centered, go ahead and go overthere and get it. I would love
to be able to work with youto make sure that your business is established
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in heaven and that you're operating fromthe heavenly realms as God intended. Because
you have your own business destiny andyou don't have to try to do it
on your own. The Lord wantsto help you. Okay, John,
and welcome. Thank you, Thankyou, Brian, Thank you for having
me appreciate it. Of course.Yeah, we met in Jacksonville when I
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was speaking at All Things Restored thatwas and you had a great insight there.
So that was a lot of fun. Yes you blush. Oh good
good. I'm glad that you enjoyedit. So I was looking at you
know what you do and I andI said, you know, I need
to have this guy on spirit ciderbusiness because you've been doing this a long
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time. So I want to hearyour story. Okay, sure, all
right, Well tell us I'm justone of these guys that were strying to
make a mark in life. Youknow. I was told as a kid,
you know, the way to besuccessful is to move and to go
to the next job, and you'dmake more money the next town. I
didn't really learn a lot about Ididn't know much about Christ. My parents
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said be a good person, you'llget to heaven, always kind of thing.
And so but I ended up herein Jacksonville floor way back in nineteen
seventy six, and worked for theJacksonville Chamber of Conference and did work for
different chambers of company. Even mywife and I met on a boat going
to Europe. We were the peacecarper for two years from Brazil. But
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I changed different jobs, worked withthe roush Coming for a while and started
a business at Fale. So Ihad lots of experiences, okay, and
warts I call him and I wasstarting a new business. You're in Jacksonville,
leaving the chamber again and starting atraining business. And on my way
there, I saw a demon inthe back of my mind trying to get
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me down, and I was wrestlingmass back and forth. And so that
was a shocking experience for me becausemy mom and dad says, original system
is a demon. That's Halloween cartoonstuff. Okay, so well it was
real to me and I was greatwith fear and they got That night on
TV, I saw this little TVshow from a group called Full Gospel Businessman.
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Never heard him before, did nothingabout him. But anyway, here's
Dary Farmer from Los Angeles interviewing anattorney from Toronto, Canada. And the
attorney says, you know, mywhole life changed. My attorney toord Jesus
Christ. Stopped trying to live mylife for myself, started living in for
him. I said, wow,I started to cry. For the first
time I heard a testimony, Ifigured pastors of preest had paid to say
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the things they said, but noneof them gave a testimony. It was
not in a church where we wentto church every Sunday but didn't learn anything
particularly new, same old routine kindof stuff. But then that next day
I went to this group meeting fullgospel, when I heard a testimony again.
And then I took my King JamesBible, which I never read,
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with me down to Fort laur Islandan appointment with a big bank down there
for a training program. And I'msaying, Oh God, help me,
help me, help me, helpme. So this Bible I took was
a King James version, which Inever really read, Okay, And I've
stopped the days in that night,and here on the side of the credenza
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at the day's end is a paperbackBible published by the day's end, and
I said, wow, this iseasier to read than the one I brought.
And in the back of the bookwas a sinner's prayer. And I
ended up giving my life to Christright there in that hotel room. Cried
a lot. All that kind ofgood stuff happened. Jesus did not come
into the room. I'm very disappointedabout that. He tapped me on the
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shoulder. He didn't do it.He let me suffer a little more.
But anyway, the next day waskind to be excited because the bank people
never showed up for the meeting.Okay, Worcher's kind to let me off
the hook. But within three weeksI had a big conference set up with
a major insurance company here in Jacksonville, and I was brokering a speaker from
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Dallas, famous guy, and theysaid the next day had a conference.
So they called me the night beforeand said the guy's sick, he can't
come. But he said, theysaid, we have another man coming in
his place. He's almost as good, et cetera, et cetera. Wealth
as I hung off the phone,I'm in my spirit. And at this
point I didn't even rule a Hannispirit, didn't know a Hannis spirit or
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what that was like or what wasall about. Anyway, I kept hearing
over and over in me that thisman is coming to tell you something about
your business. And so I said, okay, I told my wife,
maybe God got this other guy sixso this other guys to tell him.
But if the guy did a great, great job speaking for us, I
took him to lunch afterwards before Ihad to find back to Dallas, and
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I kept saying, well, whatare you doing in your business? And
I'm not doing in my business.We were still in the same kind of
training business and working together in asmall way, And every time he'd say
something, I'd say, well,I'm gonna do an anim right, doing
the animal right, doing that,and then he starts to mission this thing
called tech. The executivity never heardit, didn't anything about it started Milwaukee
nineteen fifty seven on a roundtable processfor CEOs of companies, and as he
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talked about it, God stopped tyingfor me. I saw six pictures flash
in front of me if things hadalready done to prepare me to do that
business, So that at that momentI knew that was my calling. And
within about eight or nine months,I'm gone to California where they've kind of
regrouped out there with this business.Even to start in Milwaukee, a guy
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took it to California, and anyway, I was the first one on the
East coast of the United States toever get involved with it. So I
ended up getting a license for thestate of Florida, and we ended up
having three hundred CEOs executives involved allover the state of Florida. By the
time God called me to sell it, I had a lot of olive bumps
and bruises along the way, andinterferences from demons and other things. But
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I learned how to bat them awayand deal with it. And but it
was a fun ride. So innineteen ninety five, the lords telling me
to sell that business and to goand I had a five year non compete.
So anyway, I end up sellingthe business. One day, I
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was walking outside of my office andsaid, Lord, if you're trying to
get me sell the business. Yousee the buyer that led me out gracefully.
Okay. Well, the next daya guy from London calls me and
says, I want to buy yourbusiness. Okay. Well that didn't work
out, which was fine, andthen even the parent company wanted to buy
me out, and then that didn'tseem very practical either. So eventually,
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within a year and a half orso, I sold the business and was
pursuing, God, what do youwant me to do through this whole thing?
And so I was at a meetingwith the last meeting with that organization,
which at this point had grown throughoutthe United States. Okay, and
now it's in fifteen different countries.The new the name now it is called
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Vistage. I was bought by agroup. Yeah, years ago, and
so I had a five year noncompete. But anyway, the Lord told
me had that meeting to write abook on the Ten Commandments relating to business.
And I said, God, Ican't write a book or chapter.
Maybe you know what I mean.And so that kind of was He imprinted
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that on my heart, and hewouldn't let me go. Let it go,
even though I chased other dreams atthe same time. Anyway, but
what ends up happening is I hiredtwo different ghostwriters, totally insecure about writing
a book, totally fearful. Ididn't want I said, CALLI if you
want to write. If I writethis book, I don't want to run
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around the country and speak on it, which is what I did. Had
a lot of speakers. We wouldhire three hundred speakers a year to feed
me with insights and wisdom and knowledge, discernment, back, cash, blow
hiring, all these kind of things. And so anyway, at that point
in time, the Lord, Isaid, work on true different ghostwriters.
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I didn't work. And so theLord spoke to me again, said you're
going to write the book. Good, try to get other people to delegate
it. But so but at thispoint I gathered a lot of stuff.
To me, it's a big dealas testimonies. So I went after stories
about how how do people get inbusiness and how did they work and all
that. So the book ended upbeing I got to interview a lot of
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good people, and I mean booksabout gcpenny and Sam Walton, then even
Oprah went other people that created businessand James Kraft Graft Foods, you know
what I mean, the guys aboutHilton Hotels. I was going to say,
Conrad Hilton's a good story. Yeah, and so even the guy that
found a Quaker Oaks, which isa concredible story. I mean, so
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even Ray Kroc with McDonald's. Yeah. But anyway, it was a god
thing. I learned a lot,ended up publishing. It was on the
top ten sales list on Amazon thefirst year. Okay, but I actually
went through three editions finally retitled itactually called True Will By the Book,
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and it's it's a good book.I mean there's a lot of sweat and
tears that went through this thing,Okay, So it was a fun journey
when it was over, Okay.And as a result of that, of
course, it's kind of crazy.But I started I had written now four
other books and now I'm working ona fifth book right now, so it's
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not as intimidating. I've gottled throughmy insecurities and my fears and my doubts
and all that game that people getgot to play when the enemies after you
and most to chop you up atpieces. And so anyway, so after
the non compete was up, peoplewere asking me, can't we do a
Christian version of what that was roundtableprocess? And I said, yes we
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could. I prayed about it,and God gave me the name Wise Counsel,
and so I started that back inninety nine actually, and when we
first launched, and so it's beenfun. It's been exciting. It's fun,
frustrating and exciting all of one.Oh my gosh, that's awesome,
John. Yeah. So audience,in case you're wondering, you can go
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to Askwise console dot com and hisbooks are on there, so you can
go get him over there and Askwiseconsole dot com. And of course we
will put the links in the shownotes below. Wherever you're watching or listening
to this, go ahead and clickthat and those books. Thank you.
Yeah. Of course. So,so the Lord was leading you all the
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way through in your journey, asyou were moving from business to business,
you were never really incorporate. Youwere just always entrepreneurial. Is that correctly?
Was an incorporated business? Sure?Yeah? And yes still is?
I mean I have my own corporation, okay, yes, why right?
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But you you didn't have to workfor someone else in the corporate world,
right. Well, you know,the license gave me freedom to do whatever
I wanted to do. I hadto pay a royalty to them, of
course, and now they had standardstoo, you know, but the process
was good. I mean, Ididn't invent the process. A guy named
Bob Nurse in Milwaukee, Wisconsin startedit that concept. It's an interesting story.
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I'll tell you if you would liketo hear that story. Yeah,
Bob Nurse his father had started amanufacturing company. They made lawnmowers and they
would sell them to Mincom Rewards andother retailers. And one day Micom Rewards
chills up and says, hey,we're not going to buy any more lawnmoors
from you. And that was twentyfive to thirty percent of their business.
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And so the father turned the businessover to the son. He himself and
his brother. His brother died ofa heart attack, okay, and Bob
said, oh my God, whatam I going to do? Basically,
the manufacturing business went away, andhe went to church every day for like
eight or nine months, praying God, what can I do? You know
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what I mean? And he metwith a priest at Piscopal priest and one
day he just took all of hisnotes and he was pretty good at facilitating
me. He's a short, oldguy, like five foot four or something
like that, but liked and respected, and he was a good student at
the University of Wisconsin, did Donnacontinuing education through that and anyway, he
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took all of his thoughts and ideasand sat at a park bench and prayed
regard to reveal to him what hecould do. And he gave him this
whole concept of a roundtable process,you know. And there were thirteen principles
he developed, of which they're allstill used today. And so that's to
me great I got to meet him. I wrote a story about him in
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my book as well, about andTrue Wealth and how he got started.
And they still operate in obviously Wisconsinand Michigan and that kind of stuff,
even though the majority of the businessis controlled out of California, but anyways,
it's exciting. Most of the operationsin the other parts of the world
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are licensed, okay, as theyare I think still with the Vistage company,
you know. But with Wise Counsel, it was a fun process.
They get started. People knew ofme, you know what I mean,
and they knew I was a Christian. I started doing things called the Believers
in Jacksonville Conference, which was reallyan old name that had been using the
nineteen twenty year. There have beena fire here and it destroyed a lot
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of downtown and they were to stepup to the plate and put thousands of
dollars on the table to help rebuildthe city. And so we had one.
So we did the first conference andwe had two or fifty people there,
and back when that was significant,charging you like two hundred dollars,
which is a big deal compared towhat it is like today, compared with
the Internet and all the interferences andthings that go on. But it was
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fun and we even had people showup that said, well, I thought
it were just good guys that believeyou to say, no, we're believers
in Jesus Christ in the city okay, business owner. So we had fifteen
different speakers or breakout sessions and itwas a lot of fun and I did
really well. I only lost fivethousand dollars on that conference. How about
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that. It's not at all Soit was exciting. Wow, so many
poet, I'm sorry, I wasjust gonna reiterate. You were introducing the
idea of being Christian in a inthe marketplace and not being right really putting
it forward. Well, actually Iwas in nineteen let's see, it would
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have been nineteen eighty four and eightyfive. I met a guy in Tampa
because I was starting a group downthere. We had groups twenty five to
thirty different groups all over the stateof Florida by the time I sold the
business, so it was almost atwo million dollar company at that point in
time. And I met a guywho was in Tampa and he was a
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consultant and I was trying to gethim interested in leading a group and that.
He said, well, I'd loveto do that, but I'm going
to why and if I did that, I'd want to do it. I
want to do it with Christian groupsand anyway. But we got to be
good friends. He Innovator started ctwelve. I don't know if you've ever
heard of that or not, butanyway, they're in thirty five cities,
so they've grown a lot throughout thecountry. It's a franchise business. And
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I was intense cities at one time. But God told me to pull back.
As he said, John, you'vegot punt of your coverage. Okay.
I didn't call you to run aroundthe country and do all this,
okay. I want you to bemore of a thought leader, okay,
an innovator and an author and actuallyeven do radio shows. So I did
radio shows for ten different years andthat was kind of exciting and fun and
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I learned so much from that,you know. So right now, I
worked with between fifty and one hundreddifferent CEOs one on one as well as
small groups, as well as theboot camp meetings that we do once a
year, and we even guys evenmoved me into other areas to proactive health.
Unfortunately, my wife passed away acouple of years ago, and I've
been I God led me into naturalhealth versus what I call big pharm of
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health and what has happened today inour society. And so I've worked that
way, and it's I've learned alot from that, and so I bring
in speakers from different conferences we're doingon that twice a year about trying to
get people to be proactive of takingcare of themselves. You know, that
is another reason why I was veryattracted to what you were doing, because
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I think that part of my mandate, you know, is not only to
restore the influence to the influencers andactivate them and release the voices that have
been held captive, but it's alsoin order for us to leave a legacy
and fulfill the destiny that the Lordhas for us. We have to have
a longer health span, not justlife band, but a health span.
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And of course what we're talking aboutwith Big Pharma is is not God's plan.
It's a sick care system. There'sso much. You know, I'm
involved with a couple of different groupswho are working in the in health as
well and that kind of stuff.So that's exciting that you're doing that.
Awesome. Yeah good, I'm whatyou call Yeah, Yeah, I get
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that. Yeah, so I getthat. Yeah, it's fun. So
so when you look, I wantto rewind you said something that I just
want you to flesh out a littlebit more for me. Sure, you
had originally seen this demon in yourback seat, scared the heck out of
you, and then you came tothe Lord in a hotel room. But
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then there was some things that happened, and then you said you learned how
to bat the demons down, andI want to talk about that. So
they wanted you to talk about thestrategies that you learned and how did you
learn that? Okay? All right, Well, a lot of it was
the school of hard and oxygen,okay. But a couple of things that
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I could point out, one ofwhich was I was between giving my life
to Christ in that hotel room.The next week there was a meeting with
this full Gospel group here locally,and I was baptized in the Old Spirit.
I didn't know what that was.Evidence is speaking in tongues and all
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that kind of thing. And sothat started to give me revealed to me
a deeper level of Christianity, okay, and that that there's a prayer language
God can give us that helps usto walk deeper. And there's times what
I don't know what to pray forit, you know what I mean?
So this helps me God intercedes forme and so and those the way in
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the path that I have to take. Okay, that's one thing. I
mean. Another thing is, ofcourse I learned from the Christian Healing Ministry,
which is a ministry started here inJacksonville thirty years ago, and they
talked specifically around and they trained peoplearound the world. They have five hundred
intercessors around the world. From Imean, I met people from Australia and
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New Zealand and Singapore at meetings thatthey do, conferences that they do here.
They even do it now of course, all online now, so they
get double the impact. But thiswas started by a Catholic priest who was
God called to write a book onhealing, and so that led to him
getting deeper and deeper. And hiswife, Judah, still operates. He
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died at ninety five, but shestill operates the ministry and she was much
younger. But I learned a lotfrom them about dealing with that spiritual warfare
some people would call it, okay, and of course written written books.
There's there's the prayers that availed muchhave been a real blessing to me.
And there's a I put on thearmor of God every morning. That's something
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that is so profound for me,and I share that with everybody because that's
out of athesis. But I puton the armor of God in the helmet
of salvation, breastplace and the swordof the spirit, and the wordy got
a struggle in a double sort,and you're really pieced together those words that
are in that you're actually claiming toworry God over yourself, which is your
armor, your shield. In fact, I'm working right now on a fifth
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book, okay, called Don't BelieveEverything You Think. Okay, I love
that one. The enemy is tryingto tell you you're no good, you're
not smart enough, you're not intelligentenough, you're never gonna make it,
blah blah blah, all the gardens, trying to pull up your past,
your your insecurities, your fears,your doubts. That's why I couldn't get
the book done right, because you'restill working on me to say I can't
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write a book or chapter. Maybeyou know what I mean. And so
this is so I've constantly dealt withthose kind of things. I've been an
hotel rooms when I had to,you know, speak in tongues because I
didn't have no any other way toget a demon out of the room.
So I'm not all this, ofcourse, but yeah, and and that's
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a that's a common thing that peopledon't We don't learn this thing, this
stuff in church. I don't learnhow to cleanse a hotel room before we
go in so that what other peoplehave brought into that room doesn't get on
you. You know, we're nottaught these just common everyday things in church.
Yeah, yeah, I mean there'scurses, have some strongholds that come
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against us, you know what Imean. And again the enemy will try
to pull up your past and themistakes you'd made, you know, make
you feel guilty about them, andall those kind of things. And guys
are about love, forgiveness, kindness, love, the fruit of the spirit,
love, peace and joy and soand I've had a lot of speakers
to come talk about these kinds ofthese in different pieces and elements. But
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I have a blend of speakers talkingabout cash flow, marketing, hiring,
all those good things you got todo in business. I say, everybody,
everyone in business has to make aprofit. Okay, even as I
said, I said, otherwise you'renot in business. That's just ah,
your seeds to make a profit becausethey need money to keep building or hiring
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staff or you know, have cashflow workout. Well, so I say,
there is no God, show methere is no different business and ministry
in that sense. Okay, economicstill plays a role, okay, And
so every business is a ministry andevery ministry is a business. So try
to help people see that. That'swhere Unfortunately pastors think that they're saints,
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some of them. Okay, they'rebetrayed a seminary, you know, and
it's all wonderful, the Word ofGod. I love that, of course,
but their leadership skills were missing alot of times, and they don't
know the real world. I mean, I know, I mean I know
a pastor here very well who hasfears of talking about the fact that there's
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really a demon. Okay, yethe's a great teacher of the Word of
God, but he doesn't. He'safraid that you'll lose some people and this
in the church or whatever. Andhe mate, but that's part of what
you do, and you take risk, you know, if you're going to
get ahead. So so having thatmindset just shows that he realies more on
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the He has a fear of manand he reallies on the congregation to be
a provider instead of Jehovah Gira bea provider and his sam That's good,
yeah, yeah, and it's unfortunatebecause that does happen. I left church
in twenty thirteen, and I havegrown so much more since I left that
church. I was just not beingfed, you know, the same salvation
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message over and over and over.And I'm like, well, Jesus died
for a whole more than just savingme from how you know, came to
redeem everything. Yeah. So I'velearned a lot and pressed into the Lord
and grown in my intimacy with theLord, and and I'm able to walk
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that out in my business more andactually, you know, operate from the
heavenly realms like Jesus only did whathe saw the Father doing. But we're
not taught in church to go seewhat the Father's doing. Disconnect right there,
right that if we're going to runour business, we need to see
how Father, as CEO is wantsus to run our business with his plan,
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with his strategy, right right right, Yeah. I love that you're
doing that. And so you're teachingdude, are most of your clients already
stepping into this more of God orare they still back? Are they still
in the in the church Sunday morningskind of a thing and everything else still
in church on Sunday mornings for themost part. But they are, I'm
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saying, they're learning it and asmuch as they can accept at times to
go buy. I mean, we'reI'm not trying to be a pastor.
Okay, they'll operate in the businessworld, okay, but there are times.
I mean again, what the Lordshowed me in his first book,
there's these three cornerstones of build thebusiness solid foundation. One of them to
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me, it was very profound.I mean, he told me to write
about the ten commandments in business,okay, you know, having no other
guys before me, no false titlesthere not use guys. They they keep
sexual. And then the moral commandments, so those are spiritual. The moral
commandments is about how you treat otherpeople, you know, and so how
you love your neighbor, you know. The golden role of these kinds of
things are all seven six principles rightthere. But a guy called me on
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one night that was exercising, andmy wife sticks the phone in my ear,
says this guy wants to talk toyou here. You're writing a book.
I said, okay, and I'mmuffing and puffing, and he's telling
me, oh, okay, that'sinteresting about the ten commandments in business,
etcetera. Well what about the firstCommandment? I said, yeah, what
about it? I said, whatis the first amendment? He said,
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well, it's found in Genesis onetwenty eight. You know, take on
my nature and be character, befruitful. The month of my phillis to
do the room. So it's abouttaking risks. It's about seeing visions and
auctions and leading of God. Thisis where it really became a revelation for
me, because God is the vision. He's want to creates visions in us,
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even though he was the vision tocreate the whole world of course spoken
in the existence. But we're goingto take on his nature, okay.
And he's getting people visions and ideasalong the way, you know, and
calling people. In fact, thesecond book, or actually the third book
I wrote, is called the UntoldSecret. They creates true wealth. And
if you go back to the mostrepeated the parable on the whole New Testament,
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that said Matthew, Mark and Luke, and it's all about you know,
the the beaten down path, therocky soil, the thorny soil,
and the good soil, the parableof the sober. And this is where
it says that God gives visions okay, through seeds. Seeds are auncious leading
of God okay, and visions.And so he plants it in your soul,
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which is your mind you like personally, will in the motion and it
is fill a full of junk.Okay. It's a beaten down path.
So the God puts the seed onthe path, but the birds in then
that will come take the seed awaybecause you don't have enough faith or you
can't see well enough, and you'refull of doubts, you know. And
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then he takes you to rocky soil. He gives you another chance at it,
okay, get taking risks, seeingthe visions of things. And then
there it takes. You're a littlebetter and people are willing to try.
Well, I what a good idea. I should maybe try to do this,
you know what I mean? Oh, well, it's too hard.
I can't make it work. Iquit, you know. And then the
third one is he gives you anotherseed, another vision okay, And what
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happens is you're in thorny soil.And what happens in thorny soil will the
roots and that weeds come right againsttheir grass and the things you normally want
to plant and grow in there.Okay, so you're battling those things.
But if you hang in tight enough, you can make it through that time.
But the point is God's taking isto the good soil. So he
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has to allow us to get beatenup along the ways, okay, to
get to the good soil. AndI have a pastor tell me recently,
you know there's so many failing churchesout there right now, I said,
he tell me how bad it isand all. And I said, you
know what, there's just as manyfailing businesses too. And God can use
failure. Do you know. Godloves people who are failures. Okay,
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he loves people with second third chances. And I mean this is this is
part of what God wants. Hewants to break away your old thinking,
you know what I mean, breakaway from the luck that you had stored
up in your brain, or thefears or doubts at the enemy is trying
to keep plowing away in your brain, you know what I mean. And
so he has to use failure sometimesand then some people get they're so failed
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they just say, I'll just stayingin this job, but the rest of
my life, you know what Imean, I'll never take another risk.
Well that you, I pray youget to heaven. You know what I
mean. Well, the court Godmade can't count on them. So he
goes to people he thinks he cancount on, takes a risk with me.
And I mean even guy like RayTruck. And I'm not a big
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Hamburger fan. Okay, I gaveyou that up years ago. But as
a kid, of course I was. But he went into his story in
his book even says that he wentinto the McDonald's brother He was selling mixers
in drug stores. This was theyhad milkshakes and drug stores and they had
a fountain and the old time drugstores and you go in and get one
of those. Well, he soldthe mixers and was with a big company.
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In fact, he I didn't knowthis as a kid, but he
lived right behind us in Arlington,Ice, Illinois, where I was raised.
But he ends up going to SanBernardino, California to meet these McDonald
brothers because he heard they were theywere buying more mixtures than anybody else he
could even through business with, andsaid, what are these guys doing?
So he ends up showing him.He sits in the parking lot, you
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know, for a few hours,and then at new time there's lines down
the street to come get the hamburgers. And he said, I can't believe
it. So finally at two o'clockand dies down, he goes inside and
says, hey, you guys here, who's who I am going to sell
you the mixtures? Etcetera, etcetera. And he said, this guy,
this is so phenomenal what you're doing. You need to start this in multiple
locations and even franchise it. Theysaid, we tried that once to fail
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that we're not going to do that. We're staying here and we're good,
fine, you know. Finally hesays, damn, well, can I
franchise it for you? Okay?Then they're giving me a try. So
at des points all the way heopened up the first one. But he
when he was in there, whenhe said this to these guys, he
said, my god, you havea gold mine here. And he said,
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my God, he claimed the wordof God. Now he probably wasn't
a Christian strong Christian guy, butthe heart of God was moving on him
to take risk and take what theseguys had done and take it to a
different level. M Yeah. Mostpeople think that the business that McDonald's is
then as selling hamburgers, but that'snot the truth. Yeah, they are
in real estate. They're the secondreal estate owner at the second to the
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Catholic Church in the world. That'sright, Yes, well that's their economic
tool for sure. Exactly the bestcorner locations in the in the biggest cities
and everywhere in the world. It'sthat best location. Yeah, yeah,
yes, yes, Now they areserving people. I mean, God wants
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people to keep eating. Okay,probably not eating that though. Well,
the story of Starbucks is it's kinda similar story. I don't know if
you've researched that one or not,but well I've only researched the evil roots
of It's got the story of howthe business came to be. Well,
this is we have a problem inAmerica right now. Especially it's about greed.
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Okay, there's so many businesses thatare caught up in what the stark
market and that people who have gotthe most money in the world are saying
about money and growth and making money, and they're buying up a lot of
small businesses with five and ten locationsand what they call it roll up,
okay, and they're taking out serviceand they're taking out it doesn't matter who
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works for them. I had aguy, a client, had eleven stores.
He sold out to a chain thatwas trying to roll up to get
to one hundred stores, and hewas giving fifty percent of the profits away.
It was a god thing. Andhe'd learned from a group in the
state of Washington or Oregon. RatherI was doing that and the business and
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it became a phenomenal success. Imean a manage the structure, change and
attitudes, hard customers loved it,etcetera, etcetera. But greed is not
of God, you know, andso this God's not the love of money.
I mean, it's the love ofservice, quality, service, all
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of these things. Right. Supplyingto the customer, the supplier, the
right products is really what helps people, you know, move forward and love
one another through a business. Apurpose of a business still to love people,
care about them, you know.Right, The old rule applies absolutely.
Johnas has been a great conversation.I need to we need to land
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the plane for this segment, andwe'll come back for a part two and
we'll tell everybody what you guys areworking on the workshop that's coming up October
fifth, right, Thank you,yes and and so you guys, and
go to check out the show notesbelow, to go to Asthwise Council dot
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com to get all of his booksand to sign up for the programs and
see what else he has over there. So until next time, stay spirit
centered, peace out. Thank youHey there, SCB peeps. I want
to give a huge shout out anddeep appreciation and thanks to Candace Benton.
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She has become a super sponsor forthe Spirit Centered Business show, so I
would appreciate you helping me and sendingblessings and abundance back to her. Thank
you so much, Candice, andyou are well loved. Thank you for
listening to Spirit Centered Business with BerlinNuby. Be sure to like subscribe and
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