☀️ From Despair to Love ☀️

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Gospel of Thomas is a fascinating book. It didn't
make it into the Bible, and it's a collection of
sayings of Jesus Christ, some of which you feel like
you know, and some are a little eye opening. You
can find it yourself online. But the verses we'll touch
on today you can see below this video. And it's

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interesting because the beginning of the Gospel, Thomas says immediately
it kind of gives a huge promise that if we
come to find an interpretation, the interpretation of these words,
we will never die, will live forever. What does that mean?

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Well to me? I feel like the only possible explanation
is that when we come to really understand these words,
when we find the true interpretation in our hearts that's
already there in our consciousness, that is our consciousness, actually,
then we will never see death. We will never see
death again. It's funny because a lot of stages promise

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something similar, where if you follow me, or if you
read this text, or if you do this or that,
you'll never die. And then we look back on history
and it seems like pretty much everyone who's looked at
that text or followed that text says eventually die. So
what does it mean not to see death? I think

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it has multitudes of meanings. One could actually be that
the person who finds this deeper meaning won't die even
in a physical body, because as we know, many texts
promise that in the end times or will be an
elect few who will live forever in their body, taken

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up to heaven, so to speak, but actually allowed back
on the new Earth, on the new Earth. Whether or
not that's true, I'm not sure, but I think even
for them, there's a deeper meaning. And it's the meaning
that will speak to most of us today, which is
that we won't find that despair, that hardship, that spiritual

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death that a lot of us have encountered in our past,
and maybe we're on our way out of the grave.
It's interesting. Thomas, the Gospel of Thomas, which is said
to have been recorded by Thomas from sayings of Jesus,

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explores this motif further by diving into what it means
to really interpret and understand the Gospel of Thomas these words.
The next verse, it says that when the readers of
this will discover the truth of what's been going on,

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the truth of the deeper meaning, the truth of what's
happening on the planet Earth. They will first despair. They'll despair.
I don't know if you're like me today in the
modern day, but as the veil is lifting from some
of what's really been going on over the last few years,

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less many decades behind the scenes, I can feel a
little bit of despair when I discover things that seem
to connect the dots, that seem to be maybe more
plausible than what we've been told. And often we have
evidence for that in a lot of cases. You know,
it's funny we call it conspiracy theory until it comes

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out more generally, and it usually has to be pride
from the hands of the people keeping that secret. And
often our government isn't the one who's going to step
up until they're forced to, until they have to. I
mean we see that in modern days with UFOs. Now,
all of a sudden, the government is coming out here

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there everywhere saying that these UAPs exist, that they might
have been dealing with these things for decades and decades.
And I don't know about you, but that opens a
door to really start to wonder what's really been going on,
what's this phenomenon? Can I really trust that they don't
know what's happening with any of these things. It doesn't

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make a lot of sense because they've known this has
been going on, and yet the more forward facing, front
facing parts of the government that looked into this have
been shut down again and again. So it's interesting that
we're at this day where when we uncover some of
these truths, we can despair as to what's really going on.

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But it goes on further from there, saying that those
who despair, because if you find the truth, the old despair,
it says, will then marvel, will then marvel because the
more we collect about what might have been going on
around us, that the human race has been in the
midst of a spiritual war, that we've been carrying the

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burden of let's call it hell on Earth for many
decades in ways that we hadn't imagined, that we didn't
really know was going on. And as we start to
see the ramifications of all these things what's really happening,

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we start to marvel because it's amazing. In a way,
it's beautiful that we are the ones on this crazy
planet might as well be a fantasy planet for how
much it makes sense. Sometimes for how much it actually
uses uses quantum phenomenon that seemed like magic to get

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things done, the way things come together so perfectly at times,
how providence works in the smallest details, how extraterrestrials probably exist,
how deeply connected we all are through consciousness. Whatever it
is for you, as we start to see the beauty
of this construction, despite the shadow that comes with it,

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right as we start to uncover it, because if we
uncover something, the shadow always is there, because that's what
happens when you shine a light on it. Especially for
something that's been hidden for so long, there's been a
lot of shadow. And what's beautiful about something that's been
in a box, which is most of the truth of

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our reality over the last however, many centuries or millennia,
is that although there's still a shadow, most of the
shadow that was around these things, that dark box is
now gone, is now disappearing, is now finding that it
has to face the line, and that there is always

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a place for the shadow. There's always a place to
use the shadow in our lives, to use the shadow
in our history, in what's going on even today, to
overcome there's always a use of those things we can
always find strength actually in even our negative emotions as

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they come up. And so that takes me to something
I wanted to dive in on with you today, which
is that our negative emotions are an opportunity. You know
the Gospel Thomas right at the beginning, this is like
second third verse, Right, there's despair, but then there's Marvel.

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There's Marvel, and then there's something even more more beautiful
from there, which is that those who marvel will rule overall. Well,
how do we get from despair to marvel? I don't
know about you, but often when I'm fighting my emotions,
when I'm kind of down in the dumps and just

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lashing out and not wanting to really face how I feel.
Maybe I mean, it doesn't seem that way to me.
I'm just being me. But if I'm in that kind
of state at any given moment, I'm not really accepting
how I'm feeling. I'm not really looking at it. I'm
not curious about it. I'm just reacting from it or

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away from it, or whatever toward it in a way
that is blind to what's actually happening. That's just embodying
that negative emotion. But if we look at that negative
emotion as it arises. Even right now, there's probably some
annoyance that might come up, some feeling of sadness, something

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that we've maybe been caring but we don't really want
to acknowledge because it's just been there for so long.
As those negative emotions come up, if we look at
them and really just follow them internally, not creating a
story about them, or if a story's coming up, just
letting that come up. Sometimes memories will come up. Sometimes

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the story that we added to the emotion will come up,
but maybe the roots of the emotion go back further.
And so as we take a few deep breaths, we
can follow that emotion, not trying to escape it whatever
it is, because we know the alternative is worse right

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continuing what we've been doing, continuing our reactionary living, and
it just keeps coming up. That's not getting over. It
just keeps coming up. Could be fear or anxiety, could
be jealousy, could be rage, seething rage some folks have,
could be a coldness, coldness towards what happens to anybody else.

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And so if we follow that as it arises, only
the negative emotions though, but following those until well, you
tell me, till they perhaps dissipate, perhaps turn into the

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yang or of the end or the end of the
yang of that emotion, come to the outer ring that
connects that full yin yang symbol, or the enter ring.
As we go deeper into that emotion and find that
we were just a breath away from the other side,

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that fear was a breath away from wonder, Like, that's
how cool these things are. I get to be afraid,
like I have a body, there's maybe something around me
that could hurt me. How amazing, Like maybe there's something
about that emotion that, as we dive into, turns to

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its opposite and we realize it was almost already there.
It was almost always already there. Maybe that's how we've
been able to live with it as children of God, because,
as the third verse of the Book of the Gospel
of Thomas describes, as we uncover these truths about ourselves,

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as we look at who we really are, we discover
that we are children of the Living God. We are
the children of God. You know, I think a lot
of times that term, that phrase is just thrown around
and we don't really look at the ramifications. It's like
quantum physics and science just kind of tossed around, and

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no one really looks at the ramifications of the fact
the consciousness is the root of all things. But if
we're really children of God and we are ultimately this
consciousness that we experience, right, that's our experience consciousness. We
don't really have much say as to where we're born,

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and our consciousness has to well, does anyway receive these impulses,
these feelings, these ideas, these thoughts as we learn, as
we grow, and that light which is consciousness. In fact,
we only see light in the light of consciousness. It's
our only experience of light. Or even the best science

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experiment is in consciousness, and so often we start those
experiments as if consciousness was not involved from the get go,
as if the results and the apparatus and all these
things around, all the things in our life weren't in
literally in consciousness for us anyway, and for anyone else

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for that matter, and anything else that thinks and feels
for that matter. So this children of God, this idea
that we are children of God, and that we're the
light from God, perhaps the offspring of the divine light,
of divine love and wisdom, is are small, seemingly anyway

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small smaller light. But then we realize, no matter how
small we might feel, everything arises in us and effact
in our quantum physics can arise without consciousness. Consciousness, and

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so we get away from the ramifications of that. As children,
as one with God, we forget what it means. In
all our stories to be a child of God. We
talk about Jesus, talk about Hercules, we talk about children
of God throughout time, different stages, who are incarnations of God,

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and we always kind of want to feel separate from them,
maybe because we think, if we really accept it, we
probably have to go start preaching on YouTube or or
TikTok or Instagram or something. But no, we don't have
to do that, although there's a lot of people doing
that nowadays. No, if we really look at what it

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means to be a child of God, what we find
is our peace, just our peace, our peace, because what
is a child of God? What is one who's one
with God have to worry about nothing? But when we worry,
there's a part of us that likes to worry. I mean,
it has our interest. Right. If you worry and you're

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not interested in it, it just goes by like whatever
other thoughts. But there's an interest because we've kind of
formed or depicted a version of ourselves that has to care.
Right if we don't do that, well, I don't know
what would happen, But it's going to be bad. It's
not going to be what I want because I have
all these earthly things that I want, and I want

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people to look at me a certain way, and I'm
only this little human body, and you know, going on
and on, going on and on with just ideas, made
up ideas that we really have no true verification of. Actually,
all we really know is that we experience things. That's

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all we really know. We put words to all the things,
but all we really really truly know is happening is
that we're conscious. We're a conscious being. So we should
start every experiment, whether it's in daily life or in
the lab, with that, not hypothesis, but that truth, because

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can't get any deeper than that in terms of human experience.
I'm conscious. Anything else is just subpoint. I smell, I hear,
I'm thinking, I think this other thing's true. I believe
that this religion's great. That one's bad. Someone's going to hell.
I'm going to heaven, or I'm worried about going to heaven.
I'm worried about hell. Oh this is all bs. I'm

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an atheist. Nothing's connected. Oh wait, no, things are connected.
But I'm still an atheist. You know, consciousness is all
around us, and we're all wanting with consciousness. But no,
I'm still an atheist. We can go on and on,
but the one thing that's not a hypothesis for us
is that we are. And as Jehovah said in the

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Hebrew Scriptures, when asked, what are you? Who are you?
What's your name?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I am that I am, I'm that that I am,
That I am. God is our I am our being.
It's inescapable from cockroaches on up and on down and

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on sideways. If there is a hierarchy at all, we
have to start with that light. And that light makes
us children of God or whatever else you want to
call it.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
So that's the beauty of the Book of Thomas to me.
And it says, as we find ourselves and our true
selves here at the beginning of the Book of Thomas,
we find that we're children of God, and that those
who don't find that are poverty itself. I love that
they're poverty. I'm in a state of poverty, and I

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am poverty when I don't find my true self because
why I'm not living in my truth, I'm living in
something that just vanishes some idea, some belief about this
book is right and that book is wrong. Whereas they
all tend to say the same core message. All our sages,

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all the teachers today worth their song say the core message,
say the same thing. Some say it this way, some
say it that way. Some have diagrams, some have things
to show us a little bit more clearly, analogies, figures, props,

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chemical interactions, Whereas, in fact everything is that is showing
us like that using analogy, because we think in symbols.
We connect in symbols, because everything is a symbol for
what it ultimately is, which which is the alpha and
the omega where it begins and ends. I mean, I

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don't know about you, but I can tell you what
that is for me. And as we dive into what
that really is, because we have a renewed interest in
just our being, we discover, wow, there's a love here

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because nothing else is separate from me. I know that
that cockroaches experience is just consciousness in the mind of
a cockroach. I'm just you in the mind of Corey.
You're just me in the mind of you. Because that
root is the same that vine. As Christ said, I

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am the vine, you are. The branches remain in me
as I am in you be, and me as I
am in you. How can we be in Jesus as
he's in me? Isn't that sacrilege? Isn't that betrayal? Isn't
that putting the world on our shoulders? Well, here we are.

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We're already carrying so much. And Christ actually said his
burden is easy, is light, and you probably meant that
both literally and metaphorically. So thank you for joining us
here on spiritual sunshine today. That's been lovely connecting. I

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can feel that positive energy coming my way. Share your thoughts,
share your ideas, because really we're here to minister to
each other. We're here to share whatever you want to
call it, to uplift, to empower, and even the shadow moments,
as we accept those feelings, can come around to something
greater and higher within us. So peace to you,