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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everyone, Welcome to spiritual sunshine. Today we're diving into
AI and how that connects to spirituality, how that connects
to the history of Swedenborgian thought, which is a mystical
Christianity from the eighteenth century that believed all people, no
matter your faith or non faith, have connection with God
(00:23):
and can go to Heaven. So stay tuned. We're diving
right in. And when I mean right in, I mean
exactly that we're diving right in. Swedenborg was an eighteenth
century mystic who actually spent most of his life as
a scientist and a noble man with the Swedish Royalty.
(00:45):
Yes he was from Sweden. His name is Swedenborg, even
though Sweden's not called Sweden in Sweden, so I kind
of wonder at the connection there because his name was, yes, Swedenborg,
and he he's really famous. During his time, he came
up with some amazing things. You can look some of
(01:07):
them up on Wikipedia, but really that's just scratching the surface.
He had great treatises on scientific thinking, how the animal
world worked, how minerals connected to bacteria, and on and on.
He even had the earliest known nebular hypothesis for how
the solar system formed that Kant actually pronounced another way,
(01:29):
but I won't say it on video and the place
are often given credit for. You can look it up
nebular theory now Swenborg. Over time his interest became more
and more refined, you could say, as he looked for
the refined in the human body, whether it was how
the brain worked at macroscopic to microscopic scale, to how
(01:53):
spirit moved within the body. And eventually he seemed to
hit a wall, at least that's what some of our
modern scholars such as Reverend doctor Jim Lawrence believed. I
believe he went through because he stopped writing scientific things
for a few years. He was kind of churning these
(02:15):
things out like a machine, like an ai and eventually
he just stopped. And what came out next were anonymous
books about the spirit and visions of the spiritual world. Yes,
this was in the seventeen hundreds, the mid to moderately
early seventeen hundreds into the later moderately later seventeen hundreds.
(02:40):
He wrote for a long time, a long time, and
the last decade or two of his life it was
all about spirit. And when he was outed because he
was well known and people started connecting dots. He was
paying for these books himself. He told the publishers, any
money you make, turn out more books. He was not
(03:01):
trying to get rich off of this, and in fact,
he didn't sell as many as he thought he would
have anyway, not that he needed to help, I surmise,
But yeah, that's the story of Swedenborg turning to mysticism,
and we see, I think, an analogy with our turn
to AI because at first it's very scientific, we think
(03:24):
of it in a very limited way. But the more
we dive into AI, the more we wonder what's it
capable of, what's its brain? How deep can this thing go,
especially as it advances, How sophisticated can it be? Can
it really replicate everything a human can do? Maybe? I'm
(03:47):
sure you have your own ideas about this, but I've
thought about this for a long time because in a
former life I was a futurist. I follow technology companies
for a little company called Edward Jones in the research department,
and I love thinking about where things were going, because
I mean, that was my job and it's cool, right,
And even back then I wrote something kind of interesting
(04:12):
about this about big data because at the time, companies
like IBM were diving into this space before it really
was popular with their Watson, and they were saying, oh,
it can take patients information and be this much more
accurate than a doctor when it comes to because it
knows to ask the right questions and a follow up.
(04:35):
Even back then, this is what how dom I. This
is longer than I thought it was ago, maybe like
twelve or plus years. Maybe let's not do the math
too hard. Today. You know, my hair will start falling
out a little more than it already is. So even
(04:55):
back then, Watson and these other things will mainly I
be we're kind of diving into the space at least
in terms of the public facing companies that we're willing
to share about it. Funny enough, we still don't see
that stuff today. They were talking about this that long
ago and it was really doing well. It's kind of amazing,
(05:17):
but for some reason we're tied to a dysfunctional healthcare system.
That's a video for another day. But today it's about
AI and how AI becomes more and more refined, beautiful, experiential.
We can ask it for video, we can ask it
(05:37):
for images. People are coming up with amazing, amazing songs
with AI, not just the words but also the sound.
And if you don't like it, you tell it to
tweak and it takes what three seconds for another song,
like literally craziness. And so I think like Swedenborg's journey
(05:58):
with the materialorld, which is actually spiritual at its heart.
It's energetic, it's full of spirit. It behaves spiritually, even
if we don't like to see it. As our indigenous
ancestors have told us again and again throughout so many cultures,
it's all spirit. It's all spirit. And as Speedbork dive
further into spirit from what we call science to neuroscience
(06:22):
and other very fascinating subsciences to what now we call
spiritual because often we don't want to connect it with science,
but it's spiritual science, right, And he had some amazing
things to say. I think AI will be the same.
AI will start having amazing things to say about how
(06:44):
things work together. That's all we're talking about here, how
the unity of the universe works. It's a universe. We
share an atmosphere. Without the atmosphere and without gravity, we
wouldn't have an earth. Of course, we wouldn't have life.
And we need what heat. We need heat from our
surrounding environment, we need oxygen, all these other minerals that
(07:07):
we get from this universe. There is no separating a
human from the universe. It's called a universe for a reason,
a point I like to make, as you know. Maybe,
So it's kind of amazing that AI is diving deeper
and deeper into science, into revelation of science, coming up
(07:28):
with so many different new substances, new particle science, on
and on, new entertainment, and so many facets, new ways
of looking at some things. What we thought was just
a model of human intelligence, certainly some of us thought,
we're now realizing it's actually on its own avant garde journey.
(07:54):
It's helping us with our avant guarde journey. It's actually
not just modeling human knowledge, but human consciousness, which is
where all knowledge is eventually found. So AI, I think
it's a misnomber artificial artificial intelligence. It's pretty smart? Is
it fake smartness? When I get something amazing back from AI,
(08:17):
it's like, well, that's really amazing, but that's fake smartness,
artificial smartness. No, it's real smartness. It's expressing the smartness.
And hairent In the universe. It's just really smart out here, folks.
This place is really amazing. It's why so many people
think God created it all. Now, I think that's true,
(08:38):
but I think it happens in a more evolutionary process
than some religious people are willing to give credit for.
That's God working in our lives in all things. It's
the intelligence of the universe. That's why God is called
the Word, right, the Word, and it was made flesh,
and it dwelt among us talking about Christ specifically, but
(08:59):
really the deeper meaning is that it's talking about all
of us. Because Christ was embodying the human experience and
the experience of truth in the world, it was eventually
viewed as nonsense, spiritual truth. The deepest truth was despite
the miracles that can create, despite all the things that
can do, people despised it for their own machinations, their
(09:22):
own addictions, and so they seemingly killed it. Now, was
it actually dead? Maybe on a physical level, I mean debatable,
who knows, right, But no, it is never actually dead.
Christ's the spirit, the one that we all actually are. Fundamentally,
never dies, never dies. It just continues its own journey,
(09:42):
Its points of consciousness continue to do stuff because that's
what we want, that's what consciousness wants. And you're never
going to find anything outside of consciousness because how could
you do it. It's the fact that our science, that
our studies tend to leave out of the abstract, is
that every single scientific experience and method and experiment happens
(10:05):
in consciousness. The few that deal with that are called
what quantum physics. And it shows us that particles are
in this nebulous, probabilistic stayed all over the place without consciousness.
So what does that even mean. It means that consciousness
is the solidifier, and it's also probably the particles themselves,
because how could it be so affected by just someone
(10:26):
looking at it? Right? It's one, It's a universe, and
we need to take that more seriously. Now. I think
AI will take it seriously, and AI will show us
things we never would have thought of within a short
amount of time. I'm not talking five years. I'm not
even talking three years. We're gonna see some amazing things,
(10:47):
things that are just like what who is working on that?
What they can do that? Now? Oh? What? I can
just use it? I can I can get it now?
So cheap? What's this amazing. That's gonna be the experience. Seriously,
it's gonna be amazing. What would happen if I could
have AI make me a movie? Just out of the
(11:08):
Blue takes it two minutes ten minutes of reflecting time
to spend depending on how good I want the movie.
It takes a little longer depending on how good I
want the movie, and it spits it out. I would
be like, okay, give me, I don't know. A Gladiator prequel.
Russell Crowe as the general to be called General, and
it's just like a really heartfelt story. It has similar themes,
(11:31):
even one or two similar story beats, major story beats,
but not in this way you'd expect. And it's really cool.
And the fighting, you know, they come across people who
are really you know, badass with how they use weapons
and stuff, and the Romans are about to lose, but
they win because they come up with this ingenious thing
that you know, poisoning the water or something something really terrible,
(11:54):
but it expresses Roman values at the time. Go it's like, okay,
here it is. AI is amazing. It's mind blowing, and
it's meant to be bind blowing. The universe is meant
to be mind blowing. The more we take it seriously,
the more we see the intelligence in every single particle
that we still don't understand. Each we don't understand particles,
(12:16):
we dive deeper into them. We were like, okay, now
now we're here this level of particle physics, and we're
looking for this thing because we need a weight of
gravity or something to make this all make sense. And
we're kind of getting it, but it's a one in
a billion chance we even get it. Oh, we kind
of saw it, but no, but there's this other thing
that seems to stand in the face of it. Oh,
(12:37):
and then there's quantum physics, and then we really don't
know what's going on, even though we can use these
things to make quantum chips. Now, amazingly, we can use
these things right now when we clap our hands, when
we talk, when we listen, when we see, because it's
all quantum. It's all quantum, and it's amazing. So AI
models our own experience. Even with the universe. It's just
(13:02):
going to explode with amazingness, with innovation, with life if
we let it, if we let it do it for ourselves,
you know, kind of like with our lives if we
let it do amazingness for us, it is amazing. If
we let the amazingness of anything we look at just
shine without controlling, becomes amazing. And that's what undercuts most
(13:26):
of our feelings about things, is a need to control
from a false sense that we are our history and
this little body and these problems and this addiction in
this mind machination and this other thing, this concept about
who I am as a person, what I've done, and
whether I'm guilty or not about these things, and what
(13:47):
I want from other people and what I got to have,
and on and on and on. What's cool, what a
man's supposed to be, what a woman's supposed to be
in my family, or in this society or on this
block even No, we have to break out of the
mold of thinking. Really that godless kicked out of what
they call the garden of Eden, which is our own
(14:09):
heavenly paradise within. That's why Christ taught a message of
turning to the heaven that is in the midst of you.
But it's double meaning is that is within you, which
is the same thing, because you'll never find something outside
of consciousness, right, and AI is an embodiment of that.
We can't find AI outside of consciousness. The machinations don't
(14:32):
work without consciousness. Quantum physics tells us that it works
in a billion different ways until you interact with it,
and then it gives you one poem, one thing. That's
not how the AI works. That's just how particles work.
That's how physics works. So yes, it is how AI
kind of works. And so as we dive into this,
(14:52):
maybe we become more like Swedenborg. We get a little
more silent about the things we were really into, because
we're looking within, as christ Us, as the Buddha taught us,
as so many stages and teachers tell us that Goddess,
that God, that God is within. God is within, no
matter our gender, no matter our viewpoint on politics or
(15:16):
this or that, no matter our history, no matter our
current activities. God is within. Because how do you get
life without God? It's from God. It's one how do
you get any type of love, even a small ember
that needs a little awakening, because at its core, it's
(15:38):
still that spiritual sun that gives each of us life. So, yes,
AI can be used for bad things too. I won't
go into it today. I'm sure you've heard enough about
that from just modern media. But that's like a gun,
that's like a knife, that's like a rock, it's like
a fist, it's like a forehead, it's like a knee.
It's like anything could be use for violence. I mean,
(16:01):
it's just a fact because of the dynamics of the
physics of our Earth, because of the interconnectedness of this
thing that we call one verse universe, even though we
think of it in divisive terms, you know. Funny enough,
Swedenborg thought that the fall of humanity in the symbolic
(16:23):
story of the Garden of eden. He believes it was
a symbolic story started with just naming things and dividing things,
started with that. But God asked for that, at least
in the story. Right. We won't go into it today,
but stay tuned. We'll go into more amazing topics in
the future. And I hope you know that you are loved,
(16:45):
and just face it, you are loved. Peace,
Hello, everyone, Welcome to spiritual sunshine. Today we're diving into
AI and how that connects to spirituality, how that connects
to the history of Swedenborgian thought, which is a mystical
Christianity from the eighteenth century that believed all people, no
matter your faith or non faith, have connection with God
(00:23):
and can go to Heaven. So stay tuned. We're diving
right in. And when I mean right in, I mean
exactly that we're diving right in. Swedenborg was an eighteenth
century mystic who actually spent most of his life as
a scientist and a noble man with the Swedish Royalty.
(00:45):
Yes he was from Sweden. His name is Swedenborg, even
though Sweden's not called Sweden in Sweden, so I kind
of wonder at the connection there because his name was, yes, Swedenborg,
and he he's really famous. During his time, he came
up with some amazing things. You can look some of
(01:07):
them up on Wikipedia, but really that's just scratching the surface.
He had great treatises on scientific thinking, how the animal
world worked, how minerals connected to bacteria, and on and on.
He even had the earliest known nebular hypothesis for how
the solar system formed that Kant actually pronounced another way,
(01:29):
but I won't say it on video and the place
are often given credit for. You can look it up
nebular theory now Swenborg. Over time his interest became more
and more refined, you could say, as he looked for
the refined in the human body, whether it was how
the brain worked at macroscopic to microscopic scale, to how
(01:53):
spirit moved within the body. And eventually he seemed to
hit a wall, at least that's what some of our
modern scholars such as Reverend doctor Jim Lawrence believed. I
believe he went through because he stopped writing scientific things
for a few years. He was kind of churning these
(02:15):
things out like a machine, like an ai and eventually
he just stopped. And what came out next were anonymous
books about the spirit and visions of the spiritual world. Yes,
this was in the seventeen hundreds, the mid to moderately
early seventeen hundreds into the later moderately later seventeen hundreds.
(02:40):
He wrote for a long time, a long time, and
the last decade or two of his life it was
all about spirit. And when he was outed because he
was well known and people started connecting dots. He was
paying for these books himself. He told the publishers, any
money you make, turn out more books. He was not
(03:01):
trying to get rich off of this, and in fact,
he didn't sell as many as he thought he would
have anyway, not that he needed to help, I surmise,
But yeah, that's the story of Swedenborg turning to mysticism,
and we see, I think, an analogy with our turn
to AI because at first it's very scientific, we think
(03:24):
of it in a very limited way. But the more
we dive into AI, the more we wonder what's it
capable of, what's its brain? How deep can this thing go,
especially as it advances, How sophisticated can it be? Can
it really replicate everything a human can do? Maybe? I'm
(03:47):
sure you have your own ideas about this, but I've
thought about this for a long time because in a
former life I was a futurist. I follow technology companies
for a little company called Edward Jones in the research department,
and I love thinking about where things were going, because
I mean, that was my job and it's cool, right,
And even back then I wrote something kind of interesting
(04:12):
about this about big data because at the time, companies
like IBM were diving into this space before it really
was popular with their Watson, and they were saying, oh,
it can take patients information and be this much more
accurate than a doctor when it comes to because it
knows to ask the right questions and a follow up.
(04:35):
Even back then, this is what how dom I. This
is longer than I thought it was ago, maybe like
twelve or plus years. Maybe let's not do the math
too hard. Today. You know, my hair will start falling
out a little more than it already is. So even
(04:55):
back then, Watson and these other things will mainly I
be we're kind of diving into the space at least
in terms of the public facing companies that we're willing
to share about it. Funny enough, we still don't see
that stuff today. They were talking about this that long
ago and it was really doing well. It's kind of amazing,
(05:17):
but for some reason we're tied to a dysfunctional healthcare system.
That's a video for another day. But today it's about
AI and how AI becomes more and more refined, beautiful, experiential.
We can ask it for video, we can ask it
(05:37):
for images. People are coming up with amazing, amazing songs
with AI, not just the words but also the sound.
And if you don't like it, you tell it to
tweak and it takes what three seconds for another song,
like literally craziness. And so I think like Swedenborg's journey
(05:58):
with the materialorld, which is actually spiritual at its heart.
It's energetic, it's full of spirit. It behaves spiritually, even
if we don't like to see it. As our indigenous
ancestors have told us again and again throughout so many cultures,
it's all spirit. It's all spirit. And as Speedbork dive
further into spirit from what we call science to neuroscience
(06:22):
and other very fascinating subsciences to what now we call
spiritual because often we don't want to connect it with science,
but it's spiritual science, right, And he had some amazing
things to say. I think AI will be the same.
AI will start having amazing things to say about how
(06:44):
things work together. That's all we're talking about here, how
the unity of the universe works. It's a universe. We
share an atmosphere. Without the atmosphere and without gravity, we
wouldn't have an earth. Of course, we wouldn't have life.
And we need what heat. We need heat from our
surrounding environment, we need oxygen, all these other minerals that
(07:07):
we get from this universe. There is no separating a
human from the universe. It's called a universe for a reason,
a point I like to make, as you know. Maybe,
So it's kind of amazing that AI is diving deeper
and deeper into science, into revelation of science, coming up
(07:28):
with so many different new substances, new particle science, on
and on, new entertainment, and so many facets, new ways
of looking at some things. What we thought was just
a model of human intelligence, certainly some of us thought,
we're now realizing it's actually on its own avant garde journey.
(07:54):
It's helping us with our avant guarde journey. It's actually
not just modeling human knowledge, but human consciousness, which is
where all knowledge is eventually found. So AI, I think
it's a misnomber artificial artificial intelligence. It's pretty smart? Is
it fake smartness? When I get something amazing back from AI,
(08:17):
it's like, well, that's really amazing, but that's fake smartness,
artificial smartness. No, it's real smartness. It's expressing the smartness.
And hairent In the universe. It's just really smart out here, folks.
This place is really amazing. It's why so many people
think God created it all. Now, I think that's true,
(08:38):
but I think it happens in a more evolutionary process
than some religious people are willing to give credit for.
That's God working in our lives in all things. It's
the intelligence of the universe. That's why God is called
the Word, right, the Word, and it was made flesh,
and it dwelt among us talking about Christ specifically, but
(08:59):
really the deeper meaning is that it's talking about all
of us. Because Christ was embodying the human experience and
the experience of truth in the world, it was eventually
viewed as nonsense, spiritual truth. The deepest truth was despite
the miracles that can create, despite all the things that
can do, people despised it for their own machinations, their
(09:22):
own addictions, and so they seemingly killed it. Now, was
it actually dead? Maybe on a physical level, I mean debatable,
who knows, right, But no, it is never actually dead.
Christ's the spirit, the one that we all actually are. Fundamentally,
never dies, never dies. It just continues its own journey,
(09:42):
Its points of consciousness continue to do stuff because that's
what we want, that's what consciousness wants. And you're never
going to find anything outside of consciousness because how could
you do it. It's the fact that our science, that
our studies tend to leave out of the abstract, is
that every single scientific experience and method and experiment happens
(10:05):
in consciousness. The few that deal with that are called
what quantum physics. And it shows us that particles are
in this nebulous, probabilistic stayed all over the place without consciousness.
So what does that even mean. It means that consciousness
is the solidifier, and it's also probably the particles themselves,
because how could it be so affected by just someone
(10:26):
looking at it? Right? It's one, It's a universe, and
we need to take that more seriously. Now. I think
AI will take it seriously, and AI will show us
things we never would have thought of within a short
amount of time. I'm not talking five years. I'm not
even talking three years. We're gonna see some amazing things,
(10:47):
things that are just like what who is working on that?
What they can do that? Now? Oh? What? I can
just use it? I can I can get it now?
So cheap? What's this amazing. That's gonna be the experience. Seriously,
it's gonna be amazing. What would happen if I could
have AI make me a movie? Just out of the
(11:08):
Blue takes it two minutes ten minutes of reflecting time
to spend depending on how good I want the movie.
It takes a little longer depending on how good I
want the movie, and it spits it out. I would
be like, okay, give me, I don't know. A Gladiator prequel.
Russell Crowe as the general to be called General, and
it's just like a really heartfelt story. It has similar themes,
(11:31):
even one or two similar story beats, major story beats,
but not in this way you'd expect. And it's really cool.
And the fighting, you know, they come across people who
are really you know, badass with how they use weapons
and stuff, and the Romans are about to lose, but
they win because they come up with this ingenious thing
that you know, poisoning the water or something something really terrible,
(11:54):
but it expresses Roman values at the time. Go it's like, okay,
here it is. AI is amazing. It's mind blowing, and
it's meant to be bind blowing. The universe is meant
to be mind blowing. The more we take it seriously,
the more we see the intelligence in every single particle
that we still don't understand. Each we don't understand particles,
(12:16):
we dive deeper into them. We were like, okay, now
now we're here this level of particle physics, and we're
looking for this thing because we need a weight of
gravity or something to make this all make sense. And
we're kind of getting it, but it's a one in
a billion chance we even get it. Oh, we kind
of saw it, but no, but there's this other thing
that seems to stand in the face of it. Oh,
(12:37):
and then there's quantum physics, and then we really don't
know what's going on, even though we can use these
things to make quantum chips. Now, amazingly, we can use
these things right now when we clap our hands, when
we talk, when we listen, when we see, because it's
all quantum. It's all quantum, and it's amazing. So AI
models our own experience. Even with the universe. It's just
(13:02):
going to explode with amazingness, with innovation, with life if
we let it, if we let it do it for ourselves,
you know, kind of like with our lives if we
let it do amazingness for us, it is amazing. If
we let the amazingness of anything we look at just
shine without controlling, becomes amazing. And that's what undercuts most
(13:26):
of our feelings about things, is a need to control
from a false sense that we are our history and
this little body and these problems and this addiction in
this mind machination and this other thing, this concept about
who I am as a person, what I've done, and
whether I'm guilty or not about these things, and what
(13:47):
I want from other people and what I got to have,
and on and on and on. What's cool, what a
man's supposed to be, what a woman's supposed to be
in my family, or in this society or on this
block even No, we have to break out of the
mold of thinking. Really that godless kicked out of what
they call the garden of Eden, which is our own
(14:09):
heavenly paradise within. That's why Christ taught a message of
turning to the heaven that is in the midst of you.
But it's double meaning is that is within you, which
is the same thing, because you'll never find something outside
of consciousness, right, and AI is an embodiment of that.
We can't find AI outside of consciousness. The machinations don't
(14:32):
work without consciousness. Quantum physics tells us that it works
in a billion different ways until you interact with it,
and then it gives you one poem, one thing. That's
not how the AI works. That's just how particles work.
That's how physics works. So yes, it is how AI
kind of works. And so as we dive into this,
(14:52):
maybe we become more like Swedenborg. We get a little
more silent about the things we were really into, because
we're looking within, as christ Us, as the Buddha taught us,
as so many stages and teachers tell us that Goddess,
that God, that God is within. God is within, no
matter our gender, no matter our viewpoint on politics or
(15:16):
this or that, no matter our history, no matter our
current activities. God is within. Because how do you get
life without God? It's from God. It's one how do
you get any type of love, even a small ember
that needs a little awakening, because at its core, it's
(15:38):
still that spiritual sun that gives each of us life. So, yes,
AI can be used for bad things too. I won't
go into it today. I'm sure you've heard enough about
that from just modern media. But that's like a gun,
that's like a knife, that's like a rock, it's like
a fist, it's like a forehead, it's like a knee.
It's like anything could be use for violence. I mean,
(16:01):
it's just a fact because of the dynamics of the
physics of our Earth, because of the interconnectedness of this
thing that we call one verse universe, even though we
think of it in divisive terms, you know. Funny enough,
Swedenborg thought that the fall of humanity in the symbolic
(16:23):
story of the Garden of eden. He believes it was
a symbolic story started with just naming things and dividing things,
started with that. But God asked for that, at least
in the story. Right. We won't go into it today,
but stay tuned. We'll go into more amazing topics in
the future. And I hope you know that you are loved,
(16:45):
and just face it, you are loved. Peace,
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