Hulk Hogan & Ozzy Osbourne Legends, Controversies, and Final Farewells - Spitball Media Podcast 07 24 2025 - Spitball Media

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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Well, if there was ever a week to have an
entertainment podcast, this would be it. Welcome to the Spitball
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Yeah, man, I wasn't assignment. It was actually a rough
week last week. Not so much better week this week.
But I'm glad at least the three of us are here.
You know, we'll get into three other people later on,
but oh yeah, glad to be here.

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Actually, I got a shit tone of physical media that
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some some recent ones that I picked up. I'll spoil
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Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, good movie.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Oh dude, they just put it out on Phil Paxton.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, the late Bill Paxton.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Oh dude, I'm so excited to watch that again. I
haven't seen that in like fifteen twenty.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
That's a great film. That's a sure you seeing that? No,
I heard of it, but ever seen a very good
movie suspense. Yeah, independent movie. But Bill Paxton as the
father B show, He's show. Would you say that's a
real departure for him, Like he was like playing the
nice guys and then he did that.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, for sure, And I think it's it's probably honestly
one of my favorite thrillers. It's more of a thriller
than like a horror movie. Yeah, and it's got crazy
ass twists like this and Donnie Dorker are up there
as far as mind fuck movies for me, and Memento
like those are like my top three.

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You called it the end the day, like viral herpes.
You know, it just stays with you forever, like but
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Thank you to the many people keep the lights on
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It's ninety fucking degrees in my room, in my office
right now, I think I'm waiting for everything to melt.
My balls are on high alert. But we have just
an overloaded show for you. Boy. This week has taken

(04:15):
a dramatic turn. But again, you know, I don't even
know what to say. When you have a show like
this where you cover entertainment news, you kind of have
a plan A and then you have to have a
Plan B and a Plan C through a Plan Z.
But B show who's hanging out with us in the
chat before we get to the top top stories of
the week.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Here, we got our buddy, Donald stony Es Schuire, he's
a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
We got rams Fan eight six. I'm aware of him
as well.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
We've got Jamie Mehan meme machine. Sheen a meme machine.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Uh hu machine, I like that meme machine.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
We got Fatty from to Bayou Geeks with something God
bye yo Geeka.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah. We got Chris Matthews hanging out. I know the
Chris Matthews. Well. We got Rich b you mean rich
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I haven't gotten to him yet. Oh gosh, okay asking.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
You shall receive hey yeah rich yeah, rich Dowa not
to be confined.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
The Terrell Tibada.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
We've got uh oh backwards, Baron Corbyan showing Chris Barrek Corman.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
That's a great name, even though he doesn't use that
name anymore himself, because that's Eric Orbin at this point. Yeah,
just take that ship. Yeah, that's it so far, all right,
what's up everybody? Look, I look, there's the We're gonna
get to it. There's so many things to get to. Uh,
but thank you guys for hanging out in the chat.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Let's go backwards to go forwards, okay, uh we there's
so many things we were going to get to tonight
that we're tabling for next week, including some very interesting
cool movie trailers, uh, and some other news including like
some video game news. But I just want to go backwards.
So we started today's Thursday twenty four. So we started
the week off with Malcolm Jamal Warner, who I affectionately

(06:01):
and most of you will know as THEO from The
Cosby Show. Just a little personal note, my family was
a Cosby family, like most families in America in that
time period. The Thursday nights at eight o'clock, we had
The Cosby's on. I grew up with that show. My
wife is a super fan. She loved the show, loved

(06:21):
Malcol Jamal Warner, who ended up on I Think House
later in his career. He was my age just out
of nowhere passes away drowns Earlier this week, what was
that Monday or Tuesday b show?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Sunday actually died in Costa Rica at the age of
fifty four.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Fifty four shot. I mean, now, Shah, were did you
have experience the Cosby's Obviously you were living abroad and
you were moving into the States.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I started watching it in ninety seven when I moved
to America, so, I mean I was watching the reruns.
I never watched it obviously, you know when it was premiering,
but I was a fan of it. I did watch it.
I actually, I really I've recently watched Drop Dead Zone.
You ever seen that movie? Yes, Leslie Snipes and him
so that I think that was his debut film. Oh wow,

(07:15):
correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that
was his first film.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
A big fan of the guy man. I actually thought
he was pretty good man. He could have done.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, he had Malcolm and Edti rams Fans point out
he had Malcolm Andmeddi on the I forgot about Malcolm
and Edti that show that was Cosby Show. He transitioned
from Cosby to Malcolm and Eddie b Show.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, it wasn't what Malcolm Eddi was like Midt to
late nineties, right, Yeah, it was like that upn w B.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, where all these shows were stacking and there
was you know, network shows on all the time. Comedy
shows and variety shows are Sineo and you know Buffy
and all this other shit.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, man, I forgot all about that show. But you
know it's sad because he went out kind of like
Shad Gaspard from WWE. He said, I guess he was
swimming and coastere with his eight year old daughter. Surfer
spotted them struggling. They dove into health they got her out,
but he passed away.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Oh my god. Yeah, and he you know, he was
an avid swimmer, you know. Uh oh, the resident Chris
thank you. I was confused at one of those medical shows.
My wife loved this guy because she grew up with
him and she was a huge like post this week.
Yet me think about the Cosby's, Like she was obsessed
with the Cosby Show. And you know, a real real

(08:26):
kick in the balls was how that show had to
disappear from syndication, costing people like this guy and many
other people on that show. Uh or write principles on
that show never to get a residual ever again.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah for sure, man, I think you know, the outcome
of the Cosby Show was pretty sad. Even I forget
her name, but the girl. Uh, the smallest one, well,
Raven Simone. No, I guess, I guess the one that
was above.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Her, Yes, already was. Rudy was so cute, she was started.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I think she started doing porn and start doing.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Dude, look it up. I'm telling Rudy did not do porn.
Look it up, man, you look it up. I do
not want to look up from.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
The look it up right now.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
I'm not looking. Let me give you that. I don't
even want to go there. Jesus. The Byo geek said
he also had a very small part in Sons of Anarchy.
I'm actually rewatching season four. W Yeah, he had a
small part there. He was in a black biker gang.
Family Matters girl, not Rudy shot Family Matters girl. Oh Judy,

(09:39):
you confuse your your ruddy with Judy.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, the Lisa girl, she did some News and Angel Heart.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
She did full nudes. That was a three tissue movie. Nobody,
that's a three tissue movie. Lisa B and Angel Heart.
I remember she was still on The Cosby Show, and
that happened that Bill Cosby told her not to do it.
She did it anyway, b Show. Good for her.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
There's you know, funny in hindsight, a lot of people
didn't take advice from Bill Cosby probably turned out better
for it.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
But you know, Malcolm Jamal Warner, really I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
I wouldn't go so far as to say he was
Will Smith before Will Smith, but he was like America's son.
They were like the first prominent black family on TV
like that to have their own show, prime time, huge numbers,
and I just remember like he was the fun, mischievous
oldest son and always getting into trouble and shit. Really, honestly,

(10:32):
if you if you watch Family Matters, they kind of
ripped off in terms of and I know it's pretty
universal just the oldest son getting into trouble, but like
with Eddie Winslew, they kind of ripped off a little bit.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, but like ms fan Away six P Show is
saying he was the black Michael J. Fox Yeah from
Silver Spoons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Was was not Family Matters. Fuck was cause he was
more successful than Silver Spoons, right.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Silver Spoons. Silver Spoons was Ricky Schroeder. But what was
the one on Family Times? Samily Times? I'm sorry, so
was some respect on these eighties shows? B show you're
talking to an eighties person. Here, these shows all look alike, man,
that's what they all look alike to you. B show
the eighties people. Is that what you're trying to say? Yes, yes,
eighties racism, racism.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
B show decadesism.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
At least, I'm confusing why white shows this week? Confusing
your whites? Yeah, you know, Shot, it's crazy because, like,
like this is a guy who wasn't in the media
that much kind of going through his life probably you know,
it seems like he had just made like an Instagram
post about going away and then he just hits the
paper like this awful fucking tragedy. Man, it's just so shitty.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, I think, you know, one of the saddest parts
is the way that he passed away, because you know,
his last thought is probably like his his daughter gonna drown.
Like that's how he died, you know what I mean,
like like with his son, Yeah, exactly, So like just
putting yourself in their shoes, like, not only are you drowning,
that's the last thing that's on your mind, and you'll

(12:13):
never know if your daughter survived or not. That's pretty
fucking crazy, dude.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
But what a man to go out saving his kid's
life like that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not a dad, but I'm assuming
any dad would.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So so so we start the
week off at that news Monday morning, and you think, ah,
this is kind of shitty, especially my age group people
like me. Him and I literally the same age and
I always liked him and I love that show. And
then Ozzy Osbourne dies. Now I am still digesting the
Black Sabbath concert. I was gonna do a possible solo

(12:47):
show on that concert because I had watched it and
I was really overcome with emotion watching that concert and uh,
being a tremendous Black Sabbath fan as a hardcore person
and as a metal guy, and like, you know, just
the overwhelming love as he was getting, and just all
this media and attention and seeing him so frail at

(13:09):
that show, unable to stand, you know, not singing as
well as he used to. And then Shah, one of
the most famous probably people in the world, dies And
it's not so much a shock as it is just
really utterly disappointing.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, I mean, I can't say I was shocked again,
because you know, I feel like and Ozzie was one
of those people. Again, I didn't grow up on you know,
like my first exposure to Ozzie was on MTV as
a TV persona. I didn't know him from music, right,
and later on, you know how I discovered his His
first song is No. I was on Napster or you know,

(13:48):
one of those things back in the day, maybe LimeWire,
I don't know, And I was looking up Bust the
Rhyme songs, right because he was doing a lot of
remixes at that time, right, and he had done a remix,
an actual official remix with Ozzy Osborne for Iron Man,
And that was the first song that I heard, was
a collaboration with Bust of Rhymes.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Really, do you know what year that was? I don't
know if we look it up, though, Yeah, Ozzie was
making the rounds because of the advent b show of
the TV, of the reality TV show. In many ways,
he was the first reality TV star already being this
highly famous, successful person in metal.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Multiple It's amazing because I remember that was like, I
don't know, maybe I was twelve or thirteen, maybe fourteen.
I remember it started out with MTV cribs went to
his house. I'll never forget the shot at the end,
they're like they kind of do a rise up and
show like the crosses on the door and the big
door knockers.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
The satanic looking ones.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, and they're playing like the breakdown or whatever from
No More Tears. They did the tour of the house
and then like almost immediately afterward, they're like, oh, hey,
the Osbourne's.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
What I don't remember what it's called, but maybe the Osbourne's.
It was called the Osborns. Yeah, I was thinking something gimmick,
but it was ninety eight, which was the hype, the
beginning of the height of the show.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, So like I remember being amazed because like I
had always heard Ozzy Osbourne on the radio with Sabbath
and with his solo shit, so like to imagine he
was this huge star from the mid seventies through really
the early to mid nineties. Then he starts slowing down.
Then he's on this show, the most amazing thing to
me in nineteen ninety eight, looking like he has.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh be sure you're eel cut out there? Be sure
microphone has Parkinson's. Yeah it does. I have to beat
it every once in a while.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
But honestly, like seeing as bad as shape as he
was in nineteen ninety eight and thinking there's no way
this guy's gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
And now twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Five he does the Farewell concert with Black Sabbath and shit, like,
just the the scope of this guy's career is insane.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
It's insane. Yeah, shot, I think I could be raw,
but I think he sold somewhere in the neighborhood collectively
of one hundred million albums. That's not that, that's not normal.
Ild bet this is pretty streaming. I'm talking about albums

(16:17):
he had sold the physical.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I would bet it's more.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Man.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I I wish I had like a closer connection to
Ozzie because I feel like he's such an interesting person
aside from you know, like biting the head of did
you really bite the handoff?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah he did. He got Raby's, he had to
get Raby shots.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
It was it was very real bats.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, real real bats. Someone threw a real bat on
the stage. He thought it was fake and he bit
the head off of his old The blood was coming
out of his mouth.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
It wasn't intentional.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Then okay, okay, well no he yeah, so let me
rewind this a little bit. So we told yeah, because
because I've been around this person my like literally since
seventh grade. So for people that don't know, I think
Chris Matthews touched on this in his personal sort of
correspondence on social media. Ozzie Osbourne, when he launched his

(17:09):
solo career from Black Sabbath, was in very bad shape
in every way you could imagine, alcohol, drugs.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
It was a wild dude. He was so bad they
kicked him out of the band that he started with
his three friends in nineteen sixty nine or on the
Fucking Lives that they had to remove him and people
wouldn't work with him. So, but also he ushered in
an era in culture with the satanic panic. So for

(17:39):
those of you that aren't familiar with this, as someone
who went to Catholic school, Ozzi was considered a be sure,
you could probably relate to this too. Ozzi was considered satanic,
like literally satanic. You were taught that not only was
he a devil worshiper, but that if you liked him,
you were a devil worshiper. And by see you know,

(18:00):
anything that you listened to, you were listening to music
that glorified scene. And this was not just believed by
fringe people. This was the cultural milieu at the time
he showed this was this was society said this.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yes, it was almost like it was like our our
version of Karens in a way where it wasn't just
weirdos like like now you'll see people say this and
it's fucking weirdos on Facebook or Twitter. This was like moms,
some dads, teachers, everywhere.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
There's television televangelists.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
In fact, they they singled out suicide Solution, saying that
he was telling kids to kill themselves, and he's like,
it was about my friend Bond Scott who drank himself
to death. Like imagine that writing a song about your
friend drinking himself to death, committing suicide, and all these
fucking Karens being like you're telling kids to kill themselves.
It's like it was Honestly, that's the reason Sheila Burflovsky

(18:54):
goes crazy against Canada and Bigger, Longer, Uncut, because that's
what we fucking dealt with.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
That's what it was. Like, yeah, rams fans saying yeah,
so shot like in the early eighties, like it was normal,
Like Ozzie was not mainstreamed, but he was popular, so
he was very but he was a subculture, so he
lived up to the subculture. He was always drunk, he
was always high. There's a famous interview of him where
he just shaved his head. He's like sixty pounds overweight,

(19:19):
and he's like, you know, Hitler really wasn't that bad,
you know, but like, you know, like, but he was,
you could see in his face. So he was touring
and he was somewhere in the South, I think possible,
and someone threw a bat on the stage and he
just thought it was a rubber bat. So in the
middle of the song, he just goes over and choose
the fucking head off and spits it out and the

(19:41):
blood is pouring down his mouth. And then afterwards people
were like, hey, that was a real bat. You have
to get rabie shots, And at the time Rabi's was
something like twenty seven shots in your belly. It was
like the like you like they would give you something
like twenty seven inoculations in your belly. But he got
that reputation Shah for not only being the like the devil,

(20:06):
but also the drunk high metal is for drunk losers,
And then you usher in things like the preachers saying
that he promotes suicide. So he was literally like he
was like public enemy number one. He was like the
way iced tea you know, so many years later would
be with the cop Killer album.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yes, he was essentially like the predecessor to Marilyn Manson
of like, oh yeah, oh for sure, because I remember
Marilyn Manson. He was pretty much getting blamed for everything.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
You know, everybody that was Colinbine Columbine was linked to
him because they liked Marilyn Manson. But yeah, he also
neck Beards is talking about that he snorted ants. He
was on tour with Motley Crue when Motley Crue on
the verge of becoming very famous and Motley Crue were
having gross out contests with Ozzy and one of the

(20:57):
gross out contests was Ozzie had a popsicle a popsicle
stick full of real ants and he snorted it and
the combat bat. I think Nikki six and Tommy Lee
would have sex with women every day and not shower
for like a month out of time. Oh yeah, like
this is all like Christy, yeah, so but this is

(21:19):
like the early eighties.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Now, I'm a chi and don't forget don't forget you
forgot about the dove story. So they go to smooth
over the Bat thing.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
If sho hopefully he's still listening. Oh yeah, show this
is yeah, this is huge.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
They go to smooth over the Bat story with the
record executives and they sharing. His manager takes him into
the meeting in the boardroom and he just done like
a couple of tabs of acid. And she opens up
this box and says, here's this peace offering. These doves
fly out, yea, and he's fucking ripped off his gord.
He just grabs one of the doves. As he's apologizing,

(21:53):
mind you for biting your head off.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
The bat grabs one of the doves and yeah, shot
he bit the head in the board room. He was
so hot. Yeah man. But here's the thing though, Shot,
this was all tied to drug and alcohol abuse, and
then we got to see him kind of fall in

(22:14):
and out of that character. But he became so famous.
He would go back to do some things with Black Sabbath.
He would really you know, you know, Randy Rhodes with
a famous guitar player would die in a plane crash.
He would get Jaki Lee. Jak Lee would leave the
band like he would go through these phases, but he
was always consistently popular. Now here's an interesting thing that

(22:36):
I will tell you. Prior to the advent of the
TV show in two thousand and two, Ozzie was playing theaters.
He had been relegated to theaters. And one of the
things I remember was my friend who was an MTV host.
If you guys remember Ian, the chubby bald guy, Ian,

(22:57):
who is a friend of mine and a real life
friend of mine, remember him covering Ozzy at like the
Beacon Theater and it was a very small, you know,
a couple thousand people. Prior to the show, Ozzie was
not packing it in like he used to be. But
then they made this deal with MTV to do the
reality show, and almost like like lightning in a bottle,

(23:20):
he becomes and they become the most famous family in
the world. They are the precursor to the Internet. The
Kardassians like, like, I mean, so shot You never you
followed the show when you were a kid.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, I was watching it on MTV. That's pretty much
all I watched. I wasn't really too familiar with this music.
I can probably name two songs by him. Was this
means War and War Pigs those are probably.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
And then b Show. Of course they invent the oz
Fest to cash in on the popularity of the TV show,
which would launch the careers of people like slip Knot
and Zach Wilde's band. I forget the name that the
metal band that has like the gang name or whatever,
like fuck, yeah, what was the name of somebody? Will

(24:06):
g check me on Zach Why I.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Always forget just because it's him, But damn it, that's
right on my tongue.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, uh and uh and uh, rob Zon like White
Zombie and Pantera like all of these bands, and Lama
God and then bands like Hate Breathe that I know
like it would look like Ozzi, And then Ozzi had
the second coming of the fucking music career because Black
label Society. Thank you by there you go. You know
I was.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I remember I was in high school and my dad
bought me It's It's back here on the shelf. I'm
not gonna grab it because I got the head ones
in but Live at the Buddakan and that album was awesome.
And I remember hearing Ozzy on the radio and I
heard Black Sabbath and always liked them, but that's maybe
freshman sophomore year is really when I got into him,
and I wore the fuck out of that album. It's
just probably not one of my favorites now just because

(24:52):
it's not the best.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
There's other ones the tribute, right, I mean, this album
is one of my favorites alive.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Oh my god, Like Bark at the Moon. Have you
ever seen the video where they go into the archives,
So him and Jack they had a road trip kind
of reality show his son for a while a couple
of years ago, and my wife and I are watching
it one night and they go to Iron Mountain in
one of the vaults to get like the record masters,
and they grab one of the master recordings of.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
The least guitar isolated.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Isolated Randy Rhodes solo from Bark at the Moon.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Was it crazy train? Okay either yeah, either way.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
But hearing that just natural, isolated, that pristine as he
stands up and like everyone is speechless. Yeah, it's oh
my god. Those guys were so ahead of their time.
Another travesty Randy Rhodes.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, oh yeah, dies in a plane crash, yeah, so
so so shot he's had, like and then I'm whitewashing
completely over Black's happen, Like who were invented? Heavy Metal
literally created this sound that no one had all for
the influence from growing up in Birmingham, growing up post

(26:02):
World War two, listening to the fucking Beatles. I mean,
like this guy had. And then rappers start blessing him,
and like master P does this, and and uh like
you said, bus that does that? Like this guy just
kept and then commercials and then he's in Jerky Boys
movies and horror movies and and beat this.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
And but ahead, and then then they put him in
Austin Powers for the dick jokes and ship.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Put him in South Park and path. I mean, there's
no career like this. No one has had this level
of touching all these basses.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
No, yeah, for sure. Man, it seems like he was
like that Michael Jackson of like heavy metal, you know
what I mean? And you know I would. I would
love for HBO or you know, one of these other
streaming services to kind of do like a documentary on him.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
There is one being made now, is there one? Good?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I would I would be interested to learn more about
his life because he seems like a very interesting character.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
He had a very difficult life. Like his life was
not good as as boy Birmingham post World War two,
like a lot of the UK for those guys that generation,
you were literally still walking by b show like rubble
if you lived in like London or like you know,
some of these places like it was you could still

(27:17):
smell the smoke as a child post World War two
in the fifties. I mean it was just like like
the like Britain was destroyed and blows in the front.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I don't know if it was Decline of the Western
Civilization part three or whatever it is. But when they
do the interview at his house, they ask him, like,
what would you have been doing if you weren't a singer?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
And he straight up just because I'd probably be in prison.
I kind of conformed to a system. By the way,
you have a very good Ozzie. You should work. You
should use that more. It's really good. Thank you than
it's good.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Dude, dude, was this an essential staple of my fucking life?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
It's pop culture, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Hear it enough, just kind of get osmosis. It observes.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, but uh no, man, he just amazing. Dude.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Probably grew up like you said, really rough didn't want
to cross really, But that's also why he lived hard too,
because that's the life he knew he wasn't gonna be
a guy. Almost like the crossover withth wrestling, which we're
talking about in a bit.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
That's I got about the wrestling crossover, Jesus, he said,
the fucking depth of the ole fame WrestleMania too.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
He came out with the Bulldogs in Albano and he
performed live on SmackDown, And I just I read a
story where they were in the middle of the PG
era and they had him on SmackDown in like the
mid two thousands, and they just get done telling all
the writers PG watched the language and he comes out
and goes, hello, motherfuckers and live Mike, what are you

(28:39):
gonna do?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Shot? I forgot about the wrestling can I didn't even
get to the wrestling connection.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, honestly, I forgot about it too, man. I do
remember him at WrestleMania though, this is when he had
the blonde hair back in the eighties. I remember, Yes,
ye forgot about all. I don't remember him during like
the Attitude though. Was that SmackDown during Attitude?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
It was it was post. It was like when Big showing.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Under and he was with DX when they re formed.
A two thousand and nine RAMS fan is saying, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
It was like late two thousands for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Oh yeah, they just put him in the hall a
few years ago, right, b they did. And you know what,
that's one of Triple Ah's things.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
He likes to appreciate the rock guys, especially ones that
have given their time, and especially back in the early
days when they really needed the celebrity endorsement.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
By the way, guys, this is the height of his
drug and alcohol use, right, you could see it in
his face. Now. Now, I want to point out a
couple of things that I think we really should bring up,
especially Shot in particular. I think he might know this
and or not this. This man became a tireless advocate

(29:44):
for animals, tireless tireless domesticated animal charity person. Him and
his wife adopted dogs as recently as four or five
years ago, disabled animals. Uh you know he was when
when you know he at the latter part of his life,

(30:05):
he was known for trying to help animals. A lot
of it was through his wife. I don't know if
you know that are not shot.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, I didn't know that at all. That's amazing. This
is why I want to documentary man because I feel
like he's such an interesting person and his whole pathways
just up and down, up and down from you know,
his beginning. And I love like old footage that they restore,
like backstage concert footage and all that crazy stuff. I
would love to see some of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, be sure. If you remember the show, they had
like eleven cats and dogs, and like they were like
they were constantly getting more, you know, they were very
like it was just a thing with them. They were
very charitable with the animals. So he just fel in
like he wasn't a people guy, but he like they
they they home, their mansions were filled with fucking cats

(30:53):
and dogs.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I think the three of us can sympathize with that
a little bit, you know. But that's also one reason
why and we'll talk about this in a little bit probably. Well,
I always thought the Hogan Show was a complete work
and to put on because you had Ozzy was popular,
the husband celebrity with the wh.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
The answer, Yeah, it was the answer, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Even like the trail of dogs because then when Hogan
comes out, It's like, oh, here's all their dogs too.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's like, no, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
I just Ozzy seemed authentic, even though some of the
their adventures seemed a little Shenanighany, like set up a
little bit. But it was just it was fun and
it was, as someone said in the chat up a
little bit ago, it was before it was oversaturated with
like those kinds of reality shows. You didn't have the Kardashians,
you didn't have Hogan Knows Best. Ozzie was like the
first real one to come out.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
It was five. None of that existed. You had Survivor.
I think maybe Survivor had just started.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
So in a way, Ozzy, who had been very popular
and good for MTV at one point, would you say
this led to the downfall of music videos on MTV?

Speaker 1 (31:54):
No, I just I think what led to reality TV
becoming more important than this sitcom or the drama or
the late night talk show. You know, you know, it
was just you know, this is very tricky for me because,
like I was a boy who used to have to
take his Ozzy Osbourne Blizzard of Oz pin off his

(32:16):
jacket before he went to school. In nineteen eighty three,
eighty four eighty five. I was I'm just gonna say it.
I was called a fag and yelled at and called
the devil worshiper for liking or listening to heavy metal
music in the eighties by the Brooklyn Cujins. They called
it kill your mother, kill your father. Shit. You know,

(32:37):
anybody who liked anything fringe in the eighties, early eighties
to mid eighties, you were called that fag word quite
a bit, you know, believe me, you know it was.
It was a staple if you weren't mainstream person. And
then to see this man who was demonized literally and
figuratively as a child, as an adult become the most

(32:58):
famous man in a Marria, on the cover of every magazine,
constantly on late night talk shows, in wrestling, on morning shows,
on other people's records, doing guest appearances on random TV shows,
on networks, the Christmas special with Triumph to insult comic Dog.
And I mean it's like a full circle thing, like

(33:19):
like it's just weird how these things catch up, like
everybody else had to catch up to what a lot
of people already knew.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You know what, I really want to check out. I
have to as soon as we're done this show tonight,
I want to go in search to see how many
Howard Stern interviews he did.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Oh you kidding him?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
And Sharon Dude, I can't imagine the interviews with that.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Let me tell you a quick story.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
I need to hear those.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
There's a very famous show. The one time I saw
Ozzy Osbourne. Will have to check this online was the
famous show where Sharon Osbourne cut Limp Biscuits power in
New Jersey. This was Hey, Rock, I'm at this show.
I'm at this show. I'll tell you the lineup. This
is nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Maybe this is That's a bad bitch, dude.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Okay, Seven Dust, the Death Tones, Godsmack, Limp Biscuits, Stone Temple, Pilots,
Ozzy Osbourne, Creed all playing together. Okay, if it was
k Rock, it was the k Rock Picnic going over.
The kid from the Sopranos introduced somebody with the all

(34:29):
the Stern people were there. Limp Biscuit didn't want to
play in daylight, so they purposely came late. So when
they showed up to play, Sharon Osbourne cut their power,
literally cut the power off. This was the only time
I saw Ozzy. It was his two thousand and two. Yeah,
two thousand, this is twenty five years ago. I'm at
this fucking show. This is one of the craziest fucking

(34:51):
shows I've seen in my life. You know, limp Biscuit
is making fun of Creed Stone, Temple Pilot is defending
Creed Ozzie is just Ozzie. You know, I'm at this
fucking show. Sharon cuts k Rockys Functional Family Picnic two thousand,
Wild Show, Wild Day. Okay, this is like, this is

(35:12):
like I'm a still young dude, but yeah, Sharon cuts
the Power because Olympiscuit didn't want to go on in daylight.
Olympis guit with the biggest band on the in the
world at the time. But that's settled. Yeah, it was
very true. That was the one time I saw. By
the way, that ticket cost me about twenty seven dollars. Wow,
twenty seven dollars to see all those bands, and then

(35:35):
they were also on opening Anthony Don Stone he's bringing up. Yeah,
I was at this show. It was crazy because because
Olympiskuit didn't want to go on on Decreed, and then
they also didn't want to go on in daylight. So
Fred there's there's plenty eclipse of this. He called Scott.
He was making fun of Scott's staff and then Stone
Temple pilots dude, Scott Whalen comes out and defenses. Fred

(35:56):
Durst is my friend, but he acted like a real
dick tonight. And then Creed come on and play a
great shot. Like I have to say, it was great.
Creed did not have the stigma that they had. That
is that crazy Cabby from the Stern from k Rock
introducing Yeah, home down New Jersey? Is it? I thought
it was Pinfield for a minute, but that's that is
crazy Cabby. He is a DJ on k Rock, which

(36:17):
was the Stern. Yeah this Fred Durst, Yeah I'm at
this show. Wow. Yeah, isn't that something? But yeah, shah,
it'd be interesting to go back and look at some
of these things, because you know, it was a wild day.
I think this Gary, uh, not that it was Gary
from the Stern show. Yeah, this is a wild day,

(36:37):
you know. But Ozzie played this. This was my only
time seeing Ozzy Osbourne.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Isn't that something I passed on the opportunity a couple
of years ago and really regret it. You know, I
haven't been to a ton of concerences in my day.
But I think there's two opportunities to see.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Ozzie and I passed, and I really really should have
done it.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
The one was when I was actually in high school,
right before I got really into him. My friend's mom
went and she went with a bunch your friends and
offered to take us, and we said, no, we don't
want to hang out with a bunch of forty year
old moms.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Forty year old well, I mean at the time, it
was so funny to say.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I know, I think my kids now, they're like you
were born way back in the nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
You're old. The kids would think I would Grandpa Steve.
My goodness, but yeah, it was that.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
And then a couple of years ago when Ozzy and
Black Sabbath were touring, what yeah, right before COVID maybe yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
And then Ozzy did something with Rob Zombie. I mean,
there was plenty of opportunities, but yeah, he had the
wrestling connection. I mean, listen, they'll never be another Ozzie,
you know. Gene Simmons said this on NBC yesterday. He said,
you know, before Ozzy, there was no Ozzie, Like he
was a singular event like he was a singular like

(37:45):
he is. He is the catalyst for all of this.
There was no one like him, and they'll be no
one like him ever again. And it's just so interesting
that all three of us have had very different lives
and Sean your case, you lived on the other side
of the world. But we all singularly know who this
person is like because they were around literally all of

(38:07):
our lives, even though we have a massive.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Aged Yeah, I think his his reaches. Again, I compare
him to Michael Jackson when it comes to you know,
Michael Jackson was to pop. He is to have you metal,
because there's no way you could have avoided Ozzy Osborne
at some point in your life, you know what I mean?
And I think I really think the TV show man
that catapulted into the next Yeah, I mean that's how

(38:33):
I discovered him. It was all over MTV. I mean
I can't name another show on MTV during that time
that had more reruns like this guy was. Yeah, that
was Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
I would say Institution was about it too, his institution.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I feel like I feel like the Osborne's were on
all the time, Like anytime you turned on MTV, it
was either this.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Then they were bigger. They were way bigger than this show.
A lot of people didn't like Jackass, A lot of
people don't like beat Us. Some buttered, but everybody like
the Osbourne family, Like mainstream America was obsessed with the family.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
It's funny during that time, I uh, I almost ended
up on one of those MTV shows was called Dating
Him Wow audition that I was.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Unhanging with MTV. I could we we've pulled the clips.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I cauld always pull the all scripted to man, it
was all scripted.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I'm on that MARSI episode. And then there's that sound
guard on one where you see me clear as day
where I'm like yeah around like a like a reject.
Well we go from we go from a tar from
an untarnished legacy to quite possibly the most tarnished legacy.
Earlier today, as the gods would have it, uh Hulk Hogan,

(39:52):
who there were reports in the last few weeks that
was in some type of uh serious health crisis, has
passed away at the age of seventy one. This was
breaking earlier to this morning, on the heels of Ozzie's
death A couple of days earlier. This sort of like

(40:13):
out of nowhere news, because no one really knew what
was going on with Hogan. They knew that he was hospitalized.
Some people who were close to him were speculating that
it was serious, other people saying it wasn't. But Hulk
Hogan has passed away, and boy did the IWC do

(40:33):
what it does, which is humiliate themselves. Now we're going
to unpack this as best we can because obviously there's
a lot behind this, unlike Ozzie, where we're just going
on about these multiple careers and you know, even though
Ozzie did some ill shit, there's no denying it, but

(40:56):
it was mostly remembered for being America's dad and being
like this silly person, and you know, and then we
get to Hogan shot and boy, uh this is a
tricky one for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, I think, uh Man. My Facebook timeline, I would
say as far as wrestling related people, it was about
fifty to fifty. Fifty were completely trolling and fifty percent
were saying, you know, whether I like him or not,
he's contributed a lot to wrestling and that can't be denied.
And I would agree with that. I never grew up
as a Hulk Maniac or whatever. I never got it.

(41:33):
I never understood it. You know, I was into Ultimate
Warrior and Randy Savage, Like those were the two that
I admired as a child. You know, those are the
action figures that I had. I remember, I still have
the Ultimate Warrior jackets still, you know what I mean
from like nineteen.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
You have a satin one like Kevin Castleine.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
You know what is it?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Satin? Is it like the white and blue one or silver?
Kevin had that? Yeah, Kevin castle I have it.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I have it. I'll go grab it in a second.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I have it.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
So I grew up on them, and I never really
understood h Cogan never crossed paths with him.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Obviously I was gonna answer. I wasn't certain if you
did it. You didn't. I thought maybe you would.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I mean, I've been in the same conventions as him,
and when you do like when you do this, when
you do the conventions and your actual vendor, yeah, you
almost kind of get like a backstage past area where
you get to, you know, kind of mingle with the
other wrestlers. I've seen him like in the same area
that I'm in, But I've never had a conversation with
him or anything in that store. A picture, no, no, no,

(42:32):
but I've been like very close by him. While you
know I have, I don't. I don't think I had
Steve Corrino that weekend and.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Just as famous you know.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
One another, and went I went on with from from
Matt Hardy, So I think those were the two that
we had that week, and Hogan was there.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I think he was like the big headline guy obviously
of course, but yeah, man, you can't. You can't deny
what he's done. Man, I mean, he's fucking he was
like the face of wrestling. That's fucking everybody knows who right,
Like that's it was like the god of wrestling. And
he was super overrated, I'll say that. Like he I
don't think he was ever a good wrestler. The leg
drop finish is probably my least favorite thing. Clown ship

(43:23):
is that dude, Like like the People's elbow not you know,
like I'm just not to be biased against like Hogan,
but like the People's elbow that shiit sucks, like all
those things, I hate it, but Hogan. I remember, even
as a kid, the leg drop was silly to me
because I'm like, oh, everybody else does the leg drop
like why is why is his so powerful? Like what's
the difference? You know, So even like as a child,

(43:45):
like the logic didn't quite make sense. But I mean,
you know, rest in peace Hogan man. I mean he
was a racist, yeah, racist, but you know, I have
to I have to try to separate the artists from
from the actual person. But then again, I didn't really
respect the art either, so it makes it very hard
for me to like, right.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
So you weren't a fan and then and then said,
well fuck this guy.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, this doesn't hit me like a Sabo or Terry
Funk or Ultimate Warrior or Saturday Like this isn't the
same from or even Piper like those people. You know,
I felt for, you know, Hogan, I never really gravitated
towards Even in nWo, I was like, really, okay, remember show.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
What was your first Hogan experience?

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Oh my god, is my youngest memory is like Saturday
mornings watching Superstars or Sundays watching All American Okay, and
Saturday Night's made event Like wrestling had already been huge
by the time I was born, so all my cousins
and my brother would watch it.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
And then a friend of mine.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
My dad's my godfather's dad had one of those giant
satellite dishes in his yard and he would always pirate
the feed for the pay per views, and then we'd
go and see him for Christmas and he always hand
me a stack of EHS tape. So like from the
time I was little, I would watch the pay per
views like six months after the fact or whatever. But
it was I think the earliest I can remember. It
was like Hogan versus Savage or Hogan versus Zeus. So

(45:03):
that's what nineteen eighty nine, Yeah, eighty eight, So I
was like two and a half, three three and a
half at the time, like real small. He's always been
with me.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
I was getting hand jobs on the regular, so.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I don't hope I wasn't getting hand jobs.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
It's funny, man, Like I just grabbed these off the
shelf because I have him in my office today.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I got the Hazra Hulkster, okay, and then I even
got John the old l.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Jan the old one, yeah, the LJ one great. Yeah.
So like it's tricky.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
It's always been a part of my shit. Like I
was going to be a wrestler when I was younger,
and I love this shit.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
I was.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I was like a spectrum me obsessed with wrestling when
I was a kid, Like I was like six seven
and like knew all the roster and like their names
and moves and shit. Wow, and uh look, I'll say this,
so I was probably gonna talk about this for a
little bit. Yeah, if you look at like Piper, I'm
sure Piper had some shit that he's not proud of
in his day, and he's openly said some shit on

(46:00):
shoot interviews that I would admit to, so people celebrate him.
Rick Flair has been accused by guys of Teddy Long
by dropping hard urs back.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
In oay yeah, Rick Flair for sure. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Dusty Rhoades, who's now kind of taken Hogan's place, is
the legend that you can actually celebrate.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Let's just say bad news Brown didn't.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Have good things to say about him in the way
he treated him, so like you can look and let's
not forget this goes from the eighties, seventy sixties all
the way up to like speaking out.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
We are fans of an industry.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
That is CD, that is Carnie, that has skeletons in
every single clause.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
If abusers violent people, criminals.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
So while thieves, I won't yes, and I won't say that.
People shouldn't be upset and shouldn't say Hulk Hogan sucked
or shouldn't say he's a racist and shit, because he was.
He did, and it's it's been hard for me to
watch him come back over the last few years. My
cousin Dan and I Dan got me into wrestling. We
had a conversation about that this afternoon.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
It was really tough.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
However, I'm not gonna shame people or things. It's okay
to do that because all these people coming out and
saying shit about Hulk Cogan would celebrate, Dusty would celebrate,
Flair would celebrate, Roddy would celebrate all these other guys.
Warrior dude, Warrior got a Heroes Welcome and he's on
tape at universities talking about how you know, he's throwing
fag word around and shit and queering don't work. So

(47:20):
everyone has blinders on when they want to talk about
their favorites. Yeah, come on, you know, let people just
celebrate the career in the spirit of the character, not
necessarily terrible.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, I mean, listen, for me, it's a little different
because I actually was around for the advent of hulkmedia,
and I saw him as Thunderlips in Rocky three as
a child, and I saw him on The Muppet Show
and Saturday Night's main event. I saw him fight Kamala
in the Blue Steel Cage at MSG. You know, I
was at the first Summer Slam, you know. I you know,

(47:53):
I've been around this a long time, and I've acquiesced
that a lot of these people are shit. And quite frankly,
there are people today in the industry. There are people
in aw whose names are all over the speaking out lists.
Book it up now. I'm not making this up, and

(48:14):
everyone's cool with it, you know. So It's like, I
feel like it's very low hanging fruit to go after
the old, you know, out of touch guy who lies
all the time, by the way, about everything. Colgan's a
big fucking liar with a shitty family, and he was
kind of a shitty dude. It's low hanging fruit to
make him the epicenter of the terribleness of the universe.

(48:38):
And I also think it whitewashes over the fact that
if it wasn't for this guy Shah, they wouldn't be
wrestling podcast they wouldn't be wrestling on mainstream television. They
wouldn't be wrestling competitive stuff. He had multiple resurgences as
his character. I don't know, Terry Boleo seems like a
real douchebag, but Hulk Hogan was a fucking superhero on television.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Yeah, listen, man, I'll never I mean, his impact is undeniable.
I'll never discredit him for that, right, That's I'd be
insane to say that he didn't have He had the
biggest impact on wrestling, right, Like even you can name
the Rock and Steve Austin and all that, but none
of those guys would be at the level they are
if it wasn't for Hope. He's the first guy that
really really brought it to pop culture and mesh just

(49:24):
like mainstream wrestling, yeah, rock and roll wrestling, you know,
the combination whatever. To b Show's point, He's right, a
lot of these wrestlers do have a similar background. I think.
I think the difference is we got to hear the
recordings of Hope, Yeah what sticks out, and there was
back to back, you know, episodes where he just lies.

(49:47):
There was like many different ones where it was like,
all right, they're gonna forgive him like whatever he was
old back in d and then he would do it again,
and then you would find new footage and then he
would you know, say some pretty ignorant shit or with
the political.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Stuff, let me see he's and then he went maga.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, and then he went and you believe what you want.
But he he he really pushed it in people's faces.
And I don't know, man, he's a little different to
me than like a dusty roads that might have bumped
heads with you know, bad News Brown. And again that's
just one person saying it. With Hogan, we heard it.
Fucking Kamala has mentioned how big of a piece of shitty.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Was and it's incredibly like Chris Matthews said, it's hurtful,
it's incredib and I think and I think it would
be disrespectful to people that that hurt, because I think
that hurt people b show that really loved him and
that thought he was a special person in their life.
And then he heard refer to them ethnically with a
hard R word so flippantly, kind of a hard thing

(50:44):
to shake.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Real real quick though. John, it's it's it's He also
did a lot of people dirty and wrestling.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Oh yeah, I'm not even getting to people talking about.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
It was a lot to this guy, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I remember and all the other Well, like I remember
reading his book back the day, and he did a
whole chapter basically defending that he wasn't holding back booker
T because he was racist, that it was circumstance and
Booker T wasn't ready and anytime someone throws the accusation around, brother,
you gotta be careful.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
And it's like it was a short chapter, but a
whole chapter, and I thought, hmm, that's interesting. It was
twenty five years ago. But like, no, I agree.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
I'm not saying that people shouldn't be upset about the
things he said and did, because let's not forget. This
wasn't like crazy Uncle Terry at the barbecue saying words
he shouldn't say, not really realizing the impact of it.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
He was maliciously saying, Yeah it was Oh yeah, it
was very blatantly with hate it. Listen, it was shocking.
I'm not gonna say to say it was shocking. But
what I do have an issue with is that I
think if you're gonna paint with that brush, you better
paint the whole fucking house exactly. We're gonna leave out
all these other motherfuckers you know, who are despicable, And

(51:58):
there is a list of despicable people working right now
in the industry that have done heinous things that have
ties to sexual predators. Michael is still exactly Yeah, groomers.
But for some reason this is gonna be your fixation.
That's where you lose me. Shot Like, if this is

(52:20):
like I feel like, if you're gonna be about it,
be about it. Don't go don't put the tip in,
go all the way in. Don't just put your focus
on this one seventy sixty out of touch guy, that
Tony Kahan band from the fucking company, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, but that's that's not realistic though, because that's just
the world's never gonna be fair, right, I mean you have, yeah,
you have Steve Austin. Didn't he get Michael.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, that's that's the reason he left the first time.
They say it's because he wouldn't job the brock notes
because he was fucking hammered, beat up Deborah and went
on the lamb from the fucking Texas Marshalls.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Jerry Lawler wasn't Lawler a groomer. Didn't he leave in
the mid nineties because of some accusation and they just.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Got to stay allegedly on a lot of these Look
at look, don't take my word for it. Look at
the speaking out list. Do a zen diagram. There's a
very famous young person that people fawn over right now
who was named multiple times by women. Everybody's like totally
fine with it. Like they're totally fine with it. So
I'm sorry you lose me when your fixation becomes this

(53:25):
one guy v show and you don't say anything about
anybody else. That's That's exactly my point. Like I said,
I'm not saying people shouldn't be upset or betrayed or whatever,
or I don't think people should defend what the fuck
he did said because there's an entire career of it.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
No, But at the same time, like you said, that
brush needs to have broader strokes because of all the
people in the industry. Like it's hard for me to
even follow the industry sometimes because every time someone pops up,
I'm just worried that something's gonna come out or what
have they done? And like, dude, there there were guys
bragging on shoot interviews. I won't say the name. In

(54:00):
what the mid two thousands on RF video about how
they were roofyeing girls, they were h bombing girls, putting
Halcion's in their drink and then taking.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Them to the room.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Nobody cares no, but it's they would sign line up
to a table and sign autographs and buy their eight
by tens and shit. But then they'll turn around and
say shit to Hogan because he's a soft target. Yeah,
now Hogan deserves shit because of how blatant and flippany
was and how many of these fucking things he plowed through,
like his son's kid almost killing the marine, saying we're
special people and shit.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, like yeah, yeah, he was a piece of shit,
but he was. You know, we owe him a lot, uh,
people pretending that they don't owe him something or denial.
And I think the celebrating somebody's death is a little weird.
I don't know. I don't know, Shah, I just I
think it's strange to make that your identity on the
internet like one less terrible person. That's like, uh, like, well,

(54:54):
you could just not say anything. I think not saying
anything is probably the right way to go. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah, I pretty much don't exist on the internet anymore.
So I don't like post anything you never see. I
don't even think I've made like a Facebook post or
Instagram or Twitter in six months, seven months I've known.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, I'm just not active at all. Yeah, I had
to check out. Man, it's just too much.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Man, it's exhausting. And listen, I listen. I came out
of my ass a little bit today because all I
saw was the same people that'd say the same thing
all the time and ignore all these other things. And
after a while, it's just a bit exhausting. Uh, you know,
I remember, just to pivot this a little bit. A

(55:36):
bunch of years ago, Phil Enselmo, the singer from Pantera,
who is a notorious heroine and drug addict, was at
a small club doing a seguyle okay, and a lot
of people said this, she's finished and this should be done,
and he's I'll never listen to the band again. And
then phil on Selmo got clean, and now Panterra's headlining

(55:57):
stadiums and arenas and nobody talked about this anymore. I'm
just saying that it's weird that we can find grace
for some people, but for other people. And again it's
very selective. You lose you lose me like you lose
me when you uh be shown when you when you

(56:18):
make these these signular people your identity while you're surrounded
in to see a very obvious unfortunate behavior from people,
but you choose to ignore because you like them better. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
I mean, here's a huge example, and it happens to
be the person running a giant company. Tony Kahn publicly
banded hull Kogan from ever appearing on aw TV while
having NDA's signed for people under contract to him for
other shit.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Oh yeah allegedly.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah that is like really you have that kind of
like you're gonna go online and get all this fucking
attention for that shit. But that's but but that's how
fandom is. Now, that's how it is. It's exactly what
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Ewy one of the Jackson's Today made a post about
how hul Cogan was his favorite growing up and he
did a nice thing for a son and he loved
him and Sting called him the greatest of all time.
So I don't get this schizophrenia. The IWC is filled
with fat medicated losers, absolute losers of life, that you're
not important. I don't care about anything you have to

(57:19):
say about anything, and you completely humiliated yourself once again today.
So thank you for being the people that you are. Well,
we want to end the show on a high note.
South Park last night to pivot here. South Park last night,

(57:40):
I think cemented itself in comedy history. I think showed
why they are here and everyone else is there. They
came back for their twenty sixth season after signing a
one point five billion dollars streaming deal for all of
the streaming rights for every season. They're gonna get three

(58:03):
hundred million a year. Okay, and last night, boy, let
me tell you something. If you haven't seen this fucking episode,
I highly highly recommend you watch it. It might have been,
in my opinion, one of the most significant south Parks
of all time because what they did was what they've

(58:26):
always done. Shah. They fucking made fun of power. They
went after the most topical thing going on in the Internet,
and they did it in their fashion with both barrels, unapologetically. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I think the South Park creators and just the whole
team in general is a prime example of sticking to
your roots and just fucking being yourself and sticking to them. Man,
they're the best attitude. There's no one. There's not a
single show that's been going for longer than South Park.
I don't think right like, they're what's it been? This
is years?

Speaker 1 (59:02):
This is twenty seven, twenty seven, Okay, so I don't
how many years that encompasses.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
But well, let's see, they started in nineteen ninety seven
or ninety eight six Jesus, almost thirty years of South Park.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
God, damn, wow, wow wow. If you haven't seen it,
I'm just gonna say it is. I'm not going to
runer here for you. But it was shocking. But it
was also I think a very deep and not as
obvious attack on Trump as people are projecting at B show.

(59:43):
Do you think that's fair to say? Possibly?

Speaker 3 (59:46):
You know, I think I think there's a lot of
people who saw what they were doing with the PC
stuff over the past couple of years who co signed
on to South Park because they wanted to own leads
and didn't realize that when you pick up one side
of the stick with Matt and Mattstone to Trey Parker,
you got to pick up the other side too, because
that is what they do. They're about nuanced. They make
fun of everything you know around the horn. So I

(01:00:09):
think that's people identify just like you talk about with wrestling,
they identify with something as a fucking belief. But we're
all old enough to and we talked about this maybe
offline today. We are all old enough to remember back
in the days of Saturday Night Live when they would
skewer Bush and Gore and make them both look equally
is retarded, Yeah, whereas instead of all this shit that's

(01:00:30):
come out, Like I know, John Stewart was talking about
Stephen Colbert losing his show and it's terrible, and yeah,
maybe it is, but those shows have been horrible for
fucking ten years, losing money.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Not South Park. They're not making money.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Yeah, if they were like South Park, they would have
got a billion and a half over five years or
whatever it is. I think there's probably more to come.
There was other little nuanced things that kind of make
fun of the people who are wishy washy with how
they vacillate from one belief system to another. So if
you watch it, it wasn't just Trump, although that was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
I tried to watch it at work before everything got
started this morning, and I couldn't like hold the laughter
in and had to turn it off because people started.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I watched it twice. Shah. You've heard about it though, right,
you heard like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
What they did, right, I have done. No, I haven't
seen any clips. I haven't seen anything from Oh is
it it's on Paramount? Right? Yeah, yes, for that, man,
I really didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Paramount's great streaming service actually has a lot of good
stuff in there. But you know, it's interesting shot because
a lot of people, I think misread the episode and
we wouldn't root it for anybody anyway, because it just
came out. But I think that on the surface, it
was making fun of Trump. But I also think on
the surface it was making fun of a lot of

(01:01:47):
this hysteria that you have to either be on the
team or you're not, or you're or where you're not
on the team, like you're either with us or you're
against us, you know. And Cartman opening the show getting
upset because NPR is canceled because he liked to listen
to it to make fun of it, and now they
took it away, and now he's upset and now and

(01:02:09):
now like because the country is getting less woke. Cartman
feels despondent because he has nothing to make fun of.
Like he even mentions like everybody hates the Jews now,
like you know, now I can't do it, Like it's
just shot. Like I think, like I feel like they
were kind of like turning like when you see it,
you can be like, oh I think I get Like
to me, I felt like they were turning everything in
on itself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah, you're you're you're selling me on it. Man. It's
how much is Paramount a month?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Now? I'm not sure I have it, but but it's
it's cheaper than most others. It's cheaper than Netflix. Cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
It's like six or seven bucks for the ads supported
without showtime.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Yeah, it's like ten bonds and then you show time
with it or something like twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
But I dropped like fifty dollars in fucking YouTube super
chats a week now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Man, I don't know. Oh fuck that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
You should get you to It's like my entertainment. So
I feel bad if I'm going to like Cartman.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
That's why he listens to NBR. Yeah, they actually referred
to Uh, they use the term. Uh. Was it faggot
retard or retarded faggot a bunch last night? Yes, yeah, yeah,
they yeah. I mean, listen, we've said this before on
this show, b show. I think south Park at the
end of the day has been playing chess for decades

(01:03:20):
while everyone else is literally trying to figure out how
to move the checker piece.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Yeah, you know, we talked a couple of weeks ago
about the difference. It might have been Patreon, I don't know.
We talked about Family Guy versus South Park and the
nuances and the difference between the two. It is like ice,
like Rick Flicker Bobby Heenen said, it's like ice compared
ice cream to Horseman or it's just a cut above
everything else. And it's because of shit like this, because

(01:03:45):
a couple of years ago, they can go after PC
Principle and Strong Woman and Heather Swanson, my bucket, Randy
Savage doing the Olympics and shit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
But they can they can go there and catch that heat,
rip you a new asshole. My name's hindersonan Heathers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
That was amazing, But like they can do that ship
one year and then a couple of years later it's
like to do the ship they did last night b Shore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Could we I think there's a couple of clips that
were allowed to play. Should we play the AI one?
No play like the from last night? Can we play
one of them from last night? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
I meant the commercial at the end, or do you
want to play just something next without the context?

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
That's ruse it for shot. I'm just okay, okay, okay,
like one of the Carson clips or when they're talking
about when they're talking about what they showed Trump with Satan. Yeah, shah,
they brought back Satan Trump and Jesus last night. Jesus, dude,
Jesus came back. But Jesus came back under duress. That's
all I'm gonna say. He wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Can we play the clips off South Park?

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
There was a ton of them on Twitter today and
they were not getting taken.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Down completely different though.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
On Twitter, I'm just saying, how about the car John
that was that was edited perfectly?

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
The car with Butter's in the car. Yeah, but he
won't get the contact no no, no Trump ones like
where like where he calls the town and here's him
walking on the White House lawn. Here we go hang on, Oh,
here we go. I got a shot. Okay, we agree.
This is Trump celebrating on the White House lawn. Just

(01:05:20):
look at this. We're making back Christ. This is what
it's going to be like when they do UFC in
a couple of months. You see the McDonald's and you
see Kid Rock in the hot tubs. You see the
alien chilling back there. Yeah, looks alien chilling. Mister president.

(01:05:44):
A lot of your supporters are starting to turn against you.
Take your rest, Please talk to them. They're really riled up.
I am a feeling were last good. Okay, what do
you think you're doing? Our children are being told that
they have to sit with Jesus at lunchtime?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Listen, that just needn't relax.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Well, no, we're not gonna give all the people here
in South Park want some. Goddamn we're probably gonna shot.
You're gonna die, dude, You're just gonna fucking die. Broh,
all right, that's it. That was That was Pamba shot.
It's yeah, it's so la.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I kind of wish they didn't. Uh, they illustrated him,
you know, instead of just using it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
That's the stot. That's what they did with Saddam, So
they're doing the same you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
I wonder if they're going to try to say he's
like Saddam reincarnated or something, because it's the same relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
That's what I think, because they hint towards that you're
exactly like that car. Yeah. Shot, they was, dude, they
went deep, man, shot they we're just scratching the surface.
That's just thirty seconds. Yeah, you got to see the
p s A at the end. Dude, it's a I okay,

(01:06:59):
what did you think of that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Because the whole show is traditional animation and then they
used an AI ps A at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
It was funny because it was funny, dude. And by
the way, a lot of not a lot of conservatives,
but a bunch of conservatives today was saying like, yeah,
that shit was fucking funny, Like you're supposed to make
fun of everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Nerd Rodick had the best response. It said, South Park
roasts everybody. Don't be a pussy, And I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Like, there it is. Yeah, Well they should take some
of their own advice. Shah, you need to watch this
as soon as possible. Man, I'm telling you, we'll be
like yo, you'll watch it again. Like I watched it
twice today, and I watched it twice today and I'm
gonna watch it again because it's just just so many
little things that you don't pick up on. Especially there's
a great thing with Jesus towards the end where it's

(01:07:40):
so fucking funny, like where like even Jesus is like, look,
he's gonna sue us. Can we just like even Jesus
is acquiescing to Trump Like it's just so great, dude,
It's so fucking funny. They're the best, dude. I mean,
I think they might be the best at this ever show.
I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
No, I would agree one percent the best at it. Man,
there's no one that can match them. Like again, I
didn't grow up on the Simpsons. I grew up on Southwark.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Like that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
When I entered America pretty much in ninety seven, Southwark
was hot. Attitude, Arrow was hot, like hip hop was
taking also everything that I yeah, pretty much love. It
was a good time to come into the America, Man,
tell you, holy shit. Internet was a kind of household
Dinnernet was dial up. Internet was a thing. Listen, speaking
of a thing. We got to go do a thing
on Patreon for the Patreon pals.

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are gonna get that right away. And also Shaw's got
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best fucking time to get to Patreon dot com backslash
backslash Spitball Media, and then of course next week you

(01:08:49):
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