July 2, 2025 • 51 mins
Our team preview a star-studded Coral-Eclipse at Sandown, reflect on Lambourn's Irish Derby victory and pay tribute to Barry Hills and Kevin Prendergast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Sporting Life.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well welcome along to the Sporting Life Raising podcast. David
or John By Battling foot Ed Chamberlain, Graham Cunningham and
Billy and Ash. It's fifty years of the Cold Eclipse.
Ex will be previewing what looks like being the stellarvian
ule of the sand Down Group. One other bits and
bobs to discuss, of course, as we make our return GC,
have you been Have you been soaking up the best
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of the British and Irish action of late?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I have, and I might be a bit rusty with
his game notes, but I think it's it's time we
had a reprise, So here we go help everyone's doing good.
One week you're basking in a golden Royal ascrit loam.
The next it's strictly a dismal dance around the Irish
Derby Richie and Ruby grizzling about a handicap heavy card.
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They have a point, but it might be worth noting.
First five jolleys on Saturday's card were four to nine,
eight to fifteen, two to nine, four to nine and
five to six. A brace of Brian's clumping and stomping
around the crowd. Conundrum Kerr Boss Cavanagh with a logic
one step above Father Ted saying that money was just
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resting in my account. Blakey rannying the troops with a
video of tipsy revelers boogying round the bins, Fran and
Jane gliding off the RT set to tell us the
buzz is back. Aiden calling criticism the greatest nonsense. Big
John Magnia saying he had a good bet of Lamborne
in the whirlpool and Twitter piranhas who hardly ever go racing,
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griping about why people don't don't go racing anymore, again
saying Lamborne is so laid back he'd have a tiger
on his back if we were in the wild, Aiden,
I'd be more worried about what might happen when he
finally gets a proper group one.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Rival on his back.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Dave speaking of Ascot American affair. Thanks for all the messages,
and Dave speaking of Asker later this month. Kalpana King,
George Collision course that Murphy analysis on Lucky Show, Wow,
bad segment. Kevin Prendegast, what a life trained hard Ross
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in his early days maybe the most handsome horse I've
ever seen. Barry Hills, great trainer with no need for
a silver spoon. Nightmare to get a quote from if
he wasn't in the mood rip Barry Kevin pdf. Congrats
on the AMMO job. Hope it goes well, but maybe
don't buy green bananas absorbing the clips On Saturday, strong
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card at Haydock, Wimbledon in.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Full flow, Open golf looming at Port Rush. Then it's
on to Ascot, Goodwood and York.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
There's nothing like the British and Irish sporting summer, so
come on, piranhas.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Just think of Luke Harvey.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
On a scorching summer day standing in a swimming pool
with his top room and see if you can find
one little bit of fun and join it all or
a great Aiden says, we're all in this world at
this time, so enjoy it and get together and have
a great time.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Lads obvious. The Eclipse week game notes tremendous.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Thank you j S. Let's live by Aiden's advice. That's
my new policy, chamblin because this cover Eclipse on Saturday's
got potentially be a belt invece, hasn't it ed?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, it's a good one, really good one, and it's
got plenty of the sort of sporting spotlight to itself
which it might not have in a World Cup or
a Euro's year. There's plenty going on as GC talked
about now with wimbled and the Women's Euros, the star
of the Tour de France on Saturday, but it'll have
plenty of prominence this weekend. And it's the eclipse you want,
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isn't it. And I like the preview on the sporting
life with all those Group one winners in the race,
the clash of the generations, high profile horses. Yeah, it
shakes up to be a really good renewal.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Now, Benlin. I was on a Jockey Club zoom with
Thada Gosden yesterday talking on Budsmen. It was one of
the very rare ones that five minutes eleven in was done.
I mean you're often you're often looking for the half
hour buzz, but there was there was no day. It
was in good form. But it's not a man who
was a thousand words if ten will to fights was, however,
read the situation, but how it should be exactly Bear
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that in mind with the answer to this question onwardsmen
brilliant in the Prince of Wales, estates why last got
we had a saving pace to aim at Benlin. But
how different a test could this common eclipse be?
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Yeah, it could be very different.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
There's not an awful lot of pace on paper, I
guess with bally Doyle having potentially three in there that
will help, you might expect Expanded to be a pace maker.
Dela Quare is probably going to be ridden, certainly more
prominently than he than he was in the Derby. If
al mccameruns he went forward in the Brigadier Gerrard, but
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there has to be a big question mark about him turning,
you know, on what it's likely to be fast ground
with a hot weather forecasting star. So yeah, it could
be really different from Budsman. I mean, he cut his
teeth out in France last year and certainly his raised
at long Shomp in September was run off a slow
gallop and he dealt with that pretty well. And he
does look like a horse that's got plenty of gears,
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doesn't he. All of his entries are ten in a
mile and a half, but it wouldn't be a massive
surprise if he dropped back to a mile perhaps later
in the season then on soft ground or something like
the qwy too. I think he's a horse with plenty
of pace. I think the worry would be would he
settle off a slower gallop because he could be he
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could be a bit keen in the early stages. But
it's a minor it's a minor worry. He just looks
the class act in the race to me, Dave, and
I think they've all got it on to beat him
after what he did at ur Aasca. I mean, he
found so much trouble in the straight and still sprinted
away from them, off for a strong galup, like you say,
and because of the patients have showed he's so anexposed
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any mouths on the clock. This is just his seventh start. Yeah,
very much the one to beat for me.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But do youc you watch over previous eclipses and last
to first is not a common sight in the sundown feature.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Ben summed it up quite neatly.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
A bit longer than ideal perhaps, but he summed up
the pace scenario. Well, it's one thirty time form now
on Bardsman, and it's a question of can he get
close to that, repeat it or even beat it in
a different tactical setup because it was a really truly
run race the Prince of Wales's States and as usual, lads,
I've done the hard work, so you don't have to
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have had a look at the last twenty years of
horses who won the Prince of Wales and went for
the quick turnaround, and it is a pretty quick turnaround
in the Eclipse. My dream boat wasn't a flash Prince
of Wales's Stakes when he was fifth of seven at
six to one in the Eclipse when he up the
few was five to two favorite. She won a role
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askdot Prince of Wales's steaks. She was only six of
nine in the Eclipse al kazine he did the double
fifteen to eight when he won in twenty thirteen wija board.
She want to ask it in l six, but she
got badly, badly hampered in the Eclipse, so I think
we can give her a pass for the records. So
you think didn't quite win the Prince of Wales's Stakes.
He was beaten just by Rewilding, but he went on
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to beat Workforce in the Eclipse in twenty eleven. So
my key question is I came away from the Prince
of Wales of thinking Craigy. I didn't think he was
that good and I shouldn't knock him now, but I
am thinking, is he going to be quite so dynamic
if it turns into her a last first swoop attempted
swoop in a more tactical race.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
That's my concern at sixty four And.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's a fascinating question. Are you following against his favorite?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well, I'm really interested, Billy might be able to help me.
What will Valley Doyle do here?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Because they made an absolute mess of it and they
held their hands up in the Prince of Wales yea,
And what a pace collapse that was that he was
able to have trouble in the straight and still win
like that onwardsman, And it just strikes me this is
going to be completely different. They will have a plan
up their sleeve, and the two big guns aren't necessarily
going to want to all out gallop, so they could
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make it very tricky to set it up for either
Camille Pissaro.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Or de Lacroix.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
And yeah, I'm really interested by that, Billy, because they
want to make amends when they Bally Doyle here.
Speaker 9 (08:30):
Absolutely will And you make a good point at Yeah,
I think we're all pretty we can assume that expanded
will make the running, but I very much doubt it
go as hard as they did at Ascot, which did
definitely the pace collapse in the straight and it probably
did show. I won't say it flattered onwards man, but
he was maybe seen to advantage the way the race
worked out that the pace did collapse, he was finishing
best of all, and whether he can back that up,
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and as the lad said, like it's seventeen days, it's
quite a tight turnaround having had a hard race that
askut because let's face it, there they were flat out
from the world go there. So that was a tough race.
And it will be really interest to see what Balid
I'll do. And it'll be really interesting to see what
Ryan Moore rise. Will he ride the French Derby winner
Camille Pisaro or will he write Delacrasts, who of course
he picked for the Epsom Derby, And obviously they think
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quite a bit of delacrast He's a beautifully bread cold
I think they'd be really keen to get a middle
distance group won into him if they could it. Also,
I wouldn't be surprised if he rides him again, you
can easily put a line through his Derby run because
things just didn't pan out for him on the day.
He met trouble early on, he never got competitive. He's
better than that, but just how much better than that?
We're kind of still in the dark because yes, he
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beat Lamborn in the bally Sacks, but the Darrenstown thereby
are what used to be the Darningstown Derby Tild. The
Leopards Downd Derby Tild was a bit of a fast
They went gallop, So yeah, I don't think they're gonna want.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
To flat out gallop for him.
Speaker 9 (09:47):
Probably the same for Camiali Pisaro, who just about got
them out in a quarter in the French Derby. He
wouldn't be bred to get any more than that, So yeah,
it will be really interesting. They have a pacemaker in
the race, but don't expect them to go flat out.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Really, I'm going to ask you back.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Came up pasorrow because he got the complete saloon passage
as Shaun t didn't. He everything went right on the inside.
The one gap came just when he needed it and
he was all out. And my natural instinct is to think,
well it's time for one one one seven on that
that's not good enough for this year's eclipse. And then
I think of Trinity College, and I think of Garden
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of Eden, and I think of Lambone and the way
that Aiden can train a hardness and a progression into
hosts past the point when you think they should have
stopped improving it in leaps and bands.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
That's the thing with him, isn't it?
Speaker 8 (10:34):
Absolutely is, And let's not forget this horse.
Speaker 9 (10:36):
I think around seven times last year GC and probably
posted his best effort in the seventh one where he
won a Group one in France, which he wasn't really
expected to win. He wasn't the first string on that occasion,
and he has taken a leed forward this year. He
certainly has improved again, thurding a French guineas won a
French Derby. I think he just seems to be sort
of exceeding expectations all the time.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
And how much higher he can go.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
I'm not sure he's like you said, he's a typical
bally dying horses, hard knocking.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
He takes his racing really well.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
He'll turn up again, but whether he'll be able to
take the leap against these older horses I'm not convinced, no.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Know me and Matt. Matt insisted Scoop that he did
the horse by horse with the clips very sweet on
Camille Passaro, do you share that enthusiasm.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
More with jcaing in doubting that he has quite got
the talent to mix it with these what look a
really good bunch of old horses, you know, headed by
on Boodsman, but you've got Serzi as well and perhaps
Al mccamon. We can't leave, and I think that's a
really good solid bunch of fire year old plus horses.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
And the three year olds, for.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Me, have a bit to prove to show that they're
up to this standard at this stage of the season.
Obviously they get the ten pound weight for age, but
I think they'll need all of that. And yeah, like
the Lad's already said, you know, he got a great
ride in the in the French Derby, and I think
he has to step up quite significantly to be amongst
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this lot now.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And it's great to see Soulsi in there that Andre Farb,
isn't it bringing a new fresh angle into the eclipse.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yes, very much so. That the French before the Danny
didn't that they had an awful record in this race.
They hadn't won it for donkeys' years, and then the
day he broke that trend a couple of years ago,
I might have him wrong. I looked at him and
my immediate reaction was one and a half soft ground
and here we are quick ground ten fernals.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
He's a great, big brute of a horse. Am I
being harsh? There is the ground all right for him.
Speaker 10 (12:36):
Because I put a line for him pretty quickly, actually, Soli, Yeah, yeah,
I think I don't think he has great acceleration ed
and the combination of that and fast ground might might
be problematic.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
He adds a lot to the race, and there's no
question he's a high class horse, but something's going to
have to show a bit of real zip here. And
I think you're really well. I think there might be
one with a better, more potent turn of foot myself.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Can Billy about White Birch Billy? First, do you think
he'll come? And secondly how big a chance does he have?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Age does come?
Speaker 9 (13:15):
The forecast is correct, and if it stays as dry
as it looks like it's going to, then no, I
can't see him running I'd love to see him run
in the race. I think he'd have a big chance,
but look, they've pulled him out on fast run on
a couple of occasions, didn't send him Plaska for that reason,
so I don't see him running GC.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
I take Head's point about soci as well. Soci he's won.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Six times in France said, and all six times time
Farm have described the ground as good or softer, so
it does seem to be an issue with him. And
reading Andre Fabbs quotes during the week, it looks as
if the owners are very keen to run, and I'm
not sure he's all that keen about it, but you know,
we'll see. He doesn't tend to send him over if
he thinks they have no chance either.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And on the ground issue, we're going to play a
guessing game about a lamb quam, aren't we. I've ever
pronounced that right, Alm whatever, it's a horse.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
When he beat on Bardsman in.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The Brigadier Gerrard, yes he was getting three pounds, but
it was a combination of things. I think he's just
more mature, stronger, better horse than he was when he
he couldn't go with the real elite group one three
year olds last year, but it's new tactics.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
He made the running in the Brigadier Gerrard as well.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And the one thing we shouldn't disregard here, both from
a point of view of his improvement and a possible
news angle if he does rock up this weekend he
had a she Murphy on for the first time at
sand Down Park.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's very true, Scooby. It must be very hard for
these connections. It's long, dry summer. They're sitting on their hands.
They're potentially missing ryle Ascott, missing the eclipse. If it's
a quick ground York for the dud went into that
sole all of a sudden, you're literally getting all in
on a champion sidexiety.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a quandary for ed Walk.
He's sort of said in his weekend a column that
if it's good ground he'll he'll run, and we know
the water well at Sandown said there's half a chance
he might set up. But looking at the weatherfig I
mean it's going to be twenty six twenty seven degrees
and hot in the next couple of days at Sandown,
so you just think there's going to be some firm
creeping into the going description at least, and if that's
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the case, he probably won't run.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
And like you say, it's a shem.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
I mean, obviously the owners have a rich history with
this range that they run it with them touto and
who was the second to Saint Mark's Basilica Adeeb So
you know he he'd be so interesting if he does run.
And you know he's not an antipost but at all
is he? But if he did rock up on the day,
you know, he suddenly becomes a massive player. But I
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do think, yeah, they're going to be working backwards from
the champion stakes, aren't they, And a bit of soft
ground in the autumn.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
They raised on Friday at Sandown, don't we. So you
have to think there's a chance that horses like that
will be declared and then the trainer will have a
good look at exactly what transpires or evil transpires might
at Sandown.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Now you're clear not listening to the adel Brian landrat
because you're you're you've got ruling cart lot turning up
either that that would be a blow.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I've got no great evidence to back that up. I
would just I just find his campaigning a little bit surprising. Really,
I didn't fancy him in the derby and he didn't.
He didn't turn up, And then I thought, criikie coming
back to a mar when he's been trained for a
mile and a half. And it was so interesting hearing
Aid and O'Brien talking about the way horses are trained,
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particularly when he talked about his gold Cup horse who
he wasn't able to get that stamina into him. So
ruling cour you'd imagine might have a head full of
scrambled egg at the moment.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
What is he?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And yeah, I was just.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
A bit ask it as well ed, wasn't He was
ducking into the right when he came under pressure later.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
On he actually ran a bit better than I was expecting.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
But yeah, you're right, and yeah, i'd be surprised if
he turned up. And I'm just not quite sure what
he is, which is a shame because I thought when
he won the Guineas he looked brilliant.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But there's a poker game between connections here and if
you're looking and you thinking, well, I don't think he's
going to run. I don't think he's going to run,
and he might not run either, So that the temptation
to give it a lash for someone like that is
going to be stronger if they think a few of
the main opponents aren't on deck.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I hope he does turn up.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
You know, having two thousand guineas winner in the race
adds a lot to it as well, So I hope
I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
It looks like ten furlong half, doesn't he.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
I mean obviously with his breeding by Justify out of
a high chaparm and the way that he ran in
the Saint James's Palace. I mean William Bwick to me
he was just never happy at any stage behind the
bride or off off the bridle.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Early, but the way he stayed on.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
I know he's putting seven lens by a bit of
a monster at the line, but he just ran like
ten furlongs will be his optimum trip. So yeah, he'd
be an intriguing runner if he does turn up.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
This Budsman's going to go off with even money, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
The more you look at the rays, it feels out way,
doesn't it that it's this could be a five runner
despite the five six runner. But there's a million million
quid up for off of Billy. You don't get chance
to nice for this sort of pot.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
That we don't.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
But I'm going to probably rule another one out no Ardy,
and that's hot as hell, the Jessica Harrington horse, who
I can't see running. If the ground stays like this,
he'd be a very topical winner, of course, but no,
I think the I think the ground is gone against him,
which is a pity. Third in Irilish guineas and again
a horse that they think ten forums will really suits
but definitely wants an ease and the going. And we
haven't really touched on a Matt Ordy, who I'm sure
will turn up. Yeah, you know, he's a seven year
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old gelding. He's not sure the ten of Billy either
because of the ground. Well I hope he does, because
look he ran a cracker at Ascot.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
He looked to me like he was gonna beat umwards
Man for a lot of the way. Like I said,
he's a seven year old gelding. What else do you
do with him?
Speaker 9 (18:39):
I mean, are they what's the point in minding him
at this stage that there's a group one here that
he's got a really good chance of winning. In my opinion,
i'd certainly le him run and I think he'd have
a great chance if he did show.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Up, But if you read his sporting life, Billy, he
cannot win, absolutely cannot win. Kenny already, seven year olds
do not win, and in fact they've never won the Eclipse,
so there's absolutely no point the age of seven turning
up for the Eclipse. The horse you could be the
bet in the Race of Meal if he's going to
turn up with Stanhope Gardens, isn't it twenty or twenty
five to one?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now it'll turn up Charley, in which.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Case he's the bet right now. I would say I'm
with Billy.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I'm with Billy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I think it was time Form called the ground firm
in the Prince of Wales's stinks and he ran an
absolute screamer and given give them that, you know you're
running out of chances with a seven year old, give
it a lash and have another go Onbardsman and maybe
just sitting behind him and try and do him for
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a warm bit of pains at the end. But I
think I think me and Billy are onto something here.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
He might be the one.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
If you're looking to take on the favourite and create history,
win can what just because he's seven, he's seven, seven
year old's never how long has the race been around?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
For one hundred and something years?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
The problem then It was the same with the Prince
of Wales's stinks but he ran really well there, Sporting
Life tells me, cannot win.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, we'll cut out the spot watch you like it
for the audio clipscho, We'll just we'll just have ed
saying that. Can you scoop to make a case of
start out gardens? I mean, it looked like a big
player with the Derby, didn't he So it looked like
he might be the one to come through at least
lay a challenge down.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Certainly the most interesting of these unexposed three year olds,
I think, yes, yes, well no, there's there's four or five.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And there isn't there, but they're not exposed.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
It's his first go at ten for long, so you
can't get any more unexposed than that. The trip anyway,
and yeah, the way he moved into the Derby and
off the back of what wasn't an ideal preparation either, Remember,
I mean he ropped up at Salisbury, a race that
was put on for him over him mile. Wasn't it
just to get him to Epsom in time, so you
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can easily see him coming forward from that.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
So of course there's a case to.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Be made for him, but it just looks too hot
a race for me to be, you know, having your
first go at ten and winning.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
So we've got a map for GC and as the
alternatives to on boardsman, do you think of a Stanhope Gardens?
Speaker 5 (21:03):
I am yeah, because you know over the winter he
was definitely the number one up the road at Kipton
and the Derby just came too soon for him. He
couldn't get him ready for the Derby after the hold
up earlier on. I think you'll take a giant leap
forward from it. And you've got Delacoi at seventy one
having been miles behind the Derby, and Stanhope Gardens is
twenty and twenty five.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
School, What's what's your alternative if you've got one to onwardsmen.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
That in the race is on Budsman odds against any odds,
against even money, I would I would be getting on that.
He by firing away the most obvious winner for me
in the race, and I don't I'm not concerned enough
about the tactical scenario to be against him.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
There you go, fascinating. Let's call let's help more turn
up than the dooms.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
What do you think, Udie, where are you going after
all that evidence?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I'm going to consider the evidence. And that was my alternative.
I thought. I thought they'd like to have to have
a shot at on Woodsman rather than being shot at
by him if I make send. This sort of changed
in the tactical scenario, I thought, because he quickened up
really smartly asked. I thought he'd put the vise to
bed first and then got runned down. So I just
hope they all set up. Come on, try and listen
to Aiden. Let's be positive. Let's let's let this great game,
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Brie now Billy Nash. Aiden won. They do Bay duty
three Iris Dabbit with lambborn. It wasn't visually stunning. It
looked hard work. He won ugly. What did you make
of it?
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Yeah, exactly that he did win ugly.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
So we had him runing to a rating of one
hundred and twenty two when he won the derby at Epsom,
just one hundred and sixteen at the Coral, which is
kind of an average Ardish derby winner In recent times.
But like you said, he was pretty much all allowed
to do it. I think if you had taken the
short odds about him, you'd have had more than one
anxious moment in the street. But like a lot of
Aiden's horses, responded really well, the pressure got the job done.
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Now Aidan was talking about the King Georgie afterwards. Certainly
on that performance you wouldn't be too inclined to go
to a King.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
George with them.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
They also have the laxy Jan Bruger for that race.
But he looks at Tailor mates and Ledger hearse because
it seems to me like all he does is day
and he's one that will probably keep on progressing. He
could even make into a decent stare next year. But
at the moment that looks like the route he's gonna
go down. Like I said, Rand to one hundred and sixteen,
it's a race we couldn't take a very high view
on Lardy because the runner up seat our serious contender,
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one of the Ballyed Island lesser fancied runners. I suppose
he'd been beaten at Ascott, beaten off America ninety two
in a handicap with Ascott.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Now he was probably beaten by a very good.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
Horseed Merchant paid him a handsome compliment, but at the
same time he came into the race, you know, not
really with Group one credentials, shall we say, lazy Griff
finished third, reeled into the dxps. About this one, I
think he never looked like he was going well. Looked
in big trouble early in the strait, but in fairness
and finished off his race well. Finished third again. It
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looks like all the roads lead to the Ledger with
him and Tennessee stood back and forth finished heard at Epsom.
They rode him closer to the pace, couldn't get any
closer to Lamborne. I think maybe some off ground is
possibly an issue with him. His best efforts last year
was cut on the ground and one for the back
that they thought did emerge with credit with Sir Dinadan,
who probably paid a price for trying to eyeball Glanbourne
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early in the early in the race.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
It was still an improved performance from him.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
I think there's a good race in him later on
in the year, but might need a bit of time
to get over this because because a pretty grueling contest.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
You did come away jac thinking that Jan Brugel and
Los Angeles would be the the big balad Oil Dad
for the major middle distance prizes for the autumn.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, I've never really brought into the Los Angeles thing.
Jan Breugel went me over to a large extent at Epsom.
As for Lamborne, you know, he's a really likable, hardy horse,
and you know he rolls his sleeves up any battles.
We saw that at the weekend. I'm not sure how
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easy he'll be the place from now on the Leger, Yes,
but if they're looking at King George's and ar except
just not sure he's that kind of good. Myself, I
lost on the race, still can hardly believe it. I
wanted to give a Biffo to Griffo, lazy griff so
I laid him for a place and that was never
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going to finish plays until he was So hats off
to them. They're having a great ride with the Griffo.
But again, all roads lead to Donnie for him. But
I watched the derby at Epsom multiple times and I
think how many Group one horses are in that field?
And I watched Sunday's race and I thought how many
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proper Group one horses are in that field, and to
be honest, I can't find many. I think we might
be looking at a relatively middling bunch of three year
old colts, which I think brings me towards the likes
of Kalpana and Whirl and how strong a hand the
Phillies might have to play in the second half of
this season.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
We'll get back to you.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
When stan had Garden wins the Eclipse said, there's am here,
isn't there Billie for cool More? Because normally they'd have
their Derby winner and think, right, he needs to win
over ten. They surely can't do that with this guy Lamborne.
But they also imagine won't want to go some Ledger woods.
So yeah, a scenario, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
We said the same thing last year this time last
year with Los Angeles and they have managed to manufacture
a group one over a mile and a quarter for him,
So maybe they'll try and do the same with Lamborne.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
Like you said, they don't generally tend to send.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
Their Derby winners to Doncaster for the Ledger, but they
might have to rethink with this, will them? Because I
can't see him coming back and winning a group one
over a million a quarter.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
But let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
It's had an interesting sort of path to being a
dual Derby winner, because did Billy did he go to
a list in race at Crayon a crowd in the
French provinces last summer time? So he's I think he's
surprised a few people, including within his own camp, hasn't he.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
Yeah, he made his debut at Kilarney last year, which
wouldn't be that unusual for an over Derby winner, but
was haunted on the day he was set to finish
second when one of Joseph's ran through the rail inexplicably
with about fifty yards to go Blambourne Lamborne was left
in front the eh Green tri angle indeed, and then
they sent to the Crayon for a list of risk,
which is a fairly bizarre way for Ballydd campaigned their horses,
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but that's where they sent them. Tried blinkers on him
on his last start last year. I'm not really sure
why quickly dispersed with them, and he just seems to
have got better and better this year, But yeah, I
do think he has surprised a few people down there.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Billy let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
We don't need to delve into the you know, the
Derby debate that's been rumbling along too deeply, but what's
your feeling about the Irish Derby where it stands nowadays
and the current situation that you know, I think about
the old days, they're the old days. They're gone of
thirty thousand crowds, et cetera. It's it's a new scenario
in more ways than one for the Caron now, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Yeah, we're rejoicing at the weekend.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
They got over eleven thousand at the weekend, which you know,
that kind of shows you the sign of the times
in Ireland. They do have a lot to compete with
this time of the year in Ireland, we have a
lot of you know, we're right in the middle of
the GA season. There's various concerts and whatever, so the
core is struggling to compete with some of these places.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
I think the Irish Derby card itself. It looks to
me like they've kind of sold their soul to the
wharterpool here because six handicaps, two listed races, and the
Irish Derby, it's like all the way on steroids that card.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
You know, it doesn't really appear to me.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
And okay, there's there is some talk about perhaps trying
to merge the Irish Oaks in the Irish Derby run
them on the same weekend or even on the same card.
Sounds like a great idea to me. Whether it will
ever happen, I don't know. The way the pattern race
program is set out in Europe, I don't know if
they'll managed to do that. They will be knocking effects
obviously with the clipses and King George's and whatever, so
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I don't know if it will happen. I hope it does,
because I do think they need to do something to
up the quality, let's say, of the Thereby card, because yes,
there was some very good racing of the weekend, but
I mean it wasn't what you'd call a top quality card.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
A question to you on that if you don't I
have a foot in the world, boom that show. But
I agree that that that card did not balance well.
I didn't so to lose at least one of the handicaps,
and you know, have a good quality group race as
backup would be a good start. There's one of the
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point I want to make it. You make your pointed,
because my memory is failing me, and there's one of
the point I wanted to make by it.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
No, I'm just going to ask Audi why he thinks
it's not possible these days. Why does it have to
be either the best race day in the world ever
where everyone had a great time, or utterly appalling what's
happened to middle ground to say it was that was
a decent.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Day that, Yeah, it doesn't exist. And I think if
you look at it, the division seems to come whether
you went or not. If you go, you tend to
think you have had a really good day out. If
you don't, you're looking on from a fat you think crap.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Well I was there and it did have a good,
really positive atmosphere. The other point I've just forgotten about
for billion and the rest of rescues.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I have no inside knowledge on this. I just rock
up and do my job.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I would guess that the Kura would not be looking
to blend Irish Derby and Irish Oaks. They'd be looking
to find an extra Worldpool card if they can, so
that they can have the right type of menu on
Irish Derby Day, and maybe just maybe fire up the
Irish Oaks weekend so that they can have another Worldpool card,
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because the sort of money that it generates for these
tracks now is very, very hard for them to ignore.
And if you've accepted the new normal of eleven thousand
citizens through the gates, you're going to need to find
your five hundred, six hundred and seven thousand euro from
another quarter.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
School before we leave the Iris Stabby just align on Merchant,
who was touched upon there, and you'd imagine that William
Hagerson hay Herbert, who was always Aidan's man trel does
have it, but you thought they'd be if every please
watching on from a fire what they saw.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Yeah, absolutely obviously serious contenders, second to Merchant at Royal
Ascot and then second to Lamborn in the Irish Derby.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
And I actually think.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
That these slower burning three year olds like Merchant and
to a lesser extent, maybe the Queens VARs Horses might
be the ones to watch in the second half of
the season, because I, like you see, I look at
the Derby and the Irish Derby and I see a
pretty run bunch of three year old middle distance cults
really and I think the ones that have shown a
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bit more patience, the likes of Merchant and Raheeve. They
might come to the fore in the second half of
the season in races like the Voltagere and the Ledger.
So that'd be the line of form might be looking
at now away from Lamborn. You know, I think he's
going to be incredibly hard to place now Lamborn, when
he comes across a horse with gears overrom and a half,
I think he's going to really struggle and it once
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surprise me if he doesn't win another ace this season.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
So yeah, I'd be looking at that other line of
form and Scoop.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Can I just say thank you to you and the
loads of others who sent the messages after our one
horse to take from Lascott feature well, I put up
servious content as could make into an ed due Arson
who was six or six one at the time. Thank
you for all the messages you sent me about that
night no.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
Where is they very good to appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
One more quick point about the currfore we move on,
and also point on Merchant as well. I met a
lovely couple from Cardiff called Jonathan on Beth on the
way in to the Cura British racecoers who loved going
racing in the Ireland, very aware of the of the
pluses and potential minuses, and they said, and you need
to get onto.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
This billion ash.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Why is there no free bus from Dublin to the
curR on major race days? You know they had to
get the train from Euston Station to New Bridge and
then blah blah blah. Why don't the curR put on
a free bus? That is merchant. I would never dream
of telling William Haggis what to do, but if I
were to, I would say consider the Melbourne Cup for
that merchant. He's by te Filo without a fight, cross counter,
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twilight payment all by tr Fhilo. Once they start to improve,
the sky's the limits. So I know the Gordon Steaks
is likely to be his next race and that was
the springboard for cross counters.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Melbourne Cup win that year.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I used to catch the Boss from Doubling to the Risty.
They definitely used to have them on. There'll be three
or fourth in there. That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
That's it, in your good hands, really in your good hands.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Three I'm driving on Saturday. That's that's that's demons. Me
and Neil Channing are slot in the parking ride at Cheldham.
So if you saw you saw Doublin for the aristarby,
Billy will be absolutely laughing. We're going to move on
to the Pretty polyment. We shouldn't move on from the
man that I've seen though, JC lying on Calandergan in
the Grand Pride's sang Clue. We saw him brought to
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his knees by Jan Bruegel and spat out in the
Combination Cup. My goodness, he was silky at the weekend.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, first Group one success.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
One of his main rivals, Goliath ran badly, didn't I think, Yeah,
but no, that was good news for caland Agan. And
he's we know how good he is. It's taken him
a while to any Group one, but he's a proper
Group one horse. And he comes to ask it for
the King George along with Jan Breugel and along with Calparo,
who I think is I think she's sneaky under the
radar at the moment. I was very impressed with what
she showed going down behind world in the Pretty poly
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stakes at the weekend. So I think especially we get
a bit of rain. I think the King George could
be a cracker jet race this year.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Billy, Let's talk about that pretty Poly. When I asked
me about the autobiography, one of the things I'll focus
in on is the the ability to improve phillies or
horses seeming to look exposed and from worl going into
the music alla to whirl. Now, it's just remarkable. And
she was tough and that she was tough? Wasn't she?
That pretty Poly.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Sheds the Camille Pisarro about this one. I think she
has kind of taken him a little bit by surprising
Bally because she wasn't one of their more high profile
two year olds.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
She won a group race at the back end of
the corral where she wasn't the.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
First string, but did it pretty much the way she
did it the weekend, made the running very hard to pass.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
And yeah, look looked really good in the music door.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
Ran a cracker on the oaks and this was a
really top performance I thought at the weekend. Yes, she
was getting twelve pounds off Calupana, so you know, kudos
to Calupanda, But the way that she was headed and
battled back, it just chose. She has a you know,
she's a really really tough video I think she was
described as the perfect racehorse by Edding O'Brien afterwards, you know,
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not like him to produce the hyperbole after a race,
but yeah, she's look, she's really tough, she's really genuine.
But obviously he's got another pretty similar filly in the
in the barn of Mini Hawks, so it'll be interesting
to see how.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
He splits them up.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
To me, the Nassau looks the obvious race for world
after the weekend. Mini Hawk's supposed to go to the
early shokes. So but yeah, another string to the board's
she's a tough Philly who's you know, there'sn't It's entirely possible.
We haven't seen the best of her yet because these
bandied horses just tend to get better and better.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
Another wooden bassard as well.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And the great thing is we'll see her everywhere, won't we.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
He's so aggressive with his campaigning of his Phillies between
now and the Breeders' Cup. I think we'll see well
all over the place, which is really good.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Fantastic scoop. I know we are team Calpano, have been
in the pasture shared GC's optimism for her moving forward.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Absolutely, yeah, I think there's been a will to try
and get a ten for long group one into her
for obvious reasons, and it hasn't quite happened. But she's
she's a proper male and a half Philly to me,
and I think.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
We're ground Ben as well.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean what she did on Champions Day
last he was on soft ground, wasn't it. And by
study of Man she's she's going to have a really
big autumn. I think still I'd take a positive view
of the form of the Petty Polly. I know Survey
was quite close up in third and she was hammered
by Bluestock and on a couple of occasions last season.
But Graham Arthur and he's watching learn about the slow
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mid section in the race, and I think that sort
of explains why they were so close. And I think
take a positive view of the first two and especially
Calpina when she steps back.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Up King Georgia or rak.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, I think he's working backwards his nee.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Andrew Er from the think she's come along and just steady, steady, steady,
and then all about the autumn.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Probably she could go Yorkshire Us on the way.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I guess that could be a cracker Jack, Desert Flower
coming back. There ain't a one mini harky I thought,
wasn't it? Yeah, a lot to look forward to. Moving
the head. Let's talk about disc mening the game now, ed,
I'll come to you with it. But a new trainer
at Free Mason Lodge Point Kevin Phillip out of DeFi
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in there. It's an opportunity, isn't it. But I still
don't understand how this is working out in terms of
are they going to fill that yard with their best horses?
The love still going to be shared? I didn't quite
get that from the story yesterday.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I don't think you can ever be sure, can you,
with the way they operate, But I still think the
love is going to be spread and shared. I mean,
good luck to him. He's a good trainer, good guy.
But this is this is football, This is this is
sort of a Chelsea way of going about things. And
in how long term it is I don't know, but
it could be very effective. You can certainly train and
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nothing can surprise you, really can it.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Where's you moving in.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Now?
Speaker 6 (38:49):
I think.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
He's going to keep his other yard.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
But that's the thing, Jes I either thought, if you
if you're a flat trainer taking on new this is
new horses, new staff, and you're doing so in the
first of July. It doesn't there's no bed in in process,
no but jaction.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
And he's a fascinating character.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
He's easy to he's easy to.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Pope, not pope fun at but to make it an
awkward situation. But he's a fascinating character. I like listening
to him. But the question is, to use Ed's football analogy.
He wants to play in the Premier League with the
real big lads. How many really good horses has he got,
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you know, at Lankshire Oaks this Saturday. I think he's
going to run. You got to me rend lamentably in
the Coronation Cups. She costs four point eight million. You
can't keep missing if you're paying that sort of money.
If you're paying that sort of money on a regular basis,
they've got to hit because Judmont and Chadwell and good
Olphin and Kilmore ballyd Oil, they're having edibly deep reserves
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of you know, homebreads, et cetera. Who those pedigrees will
come through over time. So then Watnam Boys have a
very different model and it's working out strongly for them,
but I'm a racing need to get some significant success
at elite level sooner rather than later, because that project
is at a critical juncture I think at the moment.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, interesting to see where that goes. I do agree
with do you see about ka though Scoop is different?
The interviews are different. I don't know. It's more of
engaging for whatever opinion might have of it. Is the
business plan of how they're trying to do it. It's
a different approach.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Obviously.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
It comes from that football background, I think, doesn't it
in a sort of fresh view of the world of racing,
and that GC says is critical the way that the
purchases are going. I mean, Ghost right was another big
money purchase for them, wasn't he? And I guess he's
staying with Clive. They're all staying with the trainers. Out
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of these horses, the likes of Clive Cocks, et.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Cetera, seemingly at this time is yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
But yeah, Kevin PHILIPODOPHI, I could do with a few
good ones to get the ball rolling early. Otherwise who knows,
you might be out of large pretty quickly. We're seeing
with the jockeys, haven't we that he can be pretty
trigger happy when it comes to the firing and hiring.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
That jockey phrase I used in the game notes about
don't grind by green bananas.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
I remember that that came. I first heard it.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Remember when see the fires Dam beat Golden Horn in
the International York Arabian Queen and massive David Ellsworth got
the massive hump with all.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
The media that name.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I remember, that's the only trainer that the media hadn't
rung for a quote for your race. So he said,
if you don't want to talk to me before the race,
I don't want to speak to you after the race.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
And so he marched off and I saw.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Him in the car park after having a drink and
I was chatting with him and we had had a
drink and what have you? And I said, never mind,
you know, never mind the race, well done and what
you said?
Speaker 4 (42:05):
But how are you?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Because I knew he'd been poorly you know, he'd had
a cancer to hypnosis and I said, well, how bad
was it? He said, put it this way? The doctor
said to me, don't buy Grooen bananas. He's still here
many moons later. Speaking of trainers who've passed on, no
Dave and Kevin Prendergast two Giants.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Two Giants, and Barry Hill's attributes being paid at a
remarkable career.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Absolutely, I so enjoyed reading it as well, Audie, because
I wouldn't have known him particularly well, and a trip
down memory lane and his brilliance as a trainer has
been fascinating to read all about.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I mean, his record at Chester is probably the thing
I'll remember most every year.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
You go through the stats at Chester and just go wow,
what he achieved there, And it looked like those records
were going to stand for a very long time before
Aiden started sending battalions there.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
But a phenomenal achievement. So amazing horses.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
What a sire, sire when you look at the Suns
and all they've achieved in the saddle as trainers, and
to lose John is so sad, and the son who's
over in Kentucky is doing so well as well.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
So a serious sire, but above all to me, a
really great human being.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
Order.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
You know, in my job you hear a lot from trainers,
but it's always when something's gone wrong. Barry was different
to that, and he'd always sidle over and have a
word and say thank you for something, or a little
word of advice about something in delightful fashion. Sadly never
got to have lunch with him because listening to Hindo,
that sounds absolutely sensational really and just the most amazing
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grit determination and what he's bounced back from himself in
terms of setbacks, and as I say, to lose a sibling,
I mean, I'm sorry to lose a son must have
been utterly horrendous, but just a very very classy character.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
And completely self maded, which is you know it. You
know it's not unique, but it's a rarity in flat
racing these days, isn't it absolutely self made?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
G See, he landed a big touch to set the
whole operation up and running.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, Frankinson's in the Lincoln plotted for months and months
and months, and people close to him said that, you know,
they always knew there was a plot ongoing in the
yard and it would be one of about eight or
ten horses, but they could never identify the wall until
it actually went back and landed and gambled. So no
happy days following Barry Hills Rounchester to trying to get
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a quote when he might not have been in the
best frame of mind and one of the most challenging
days of my career.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
I think I was on the racing post.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
My brief was to get quotes from Lord Barry Hills
and Sir Michael Stout who it was a bloody night
there all afternoon I managed to get something five twenty
five and what a relief. But no great great trainer
and a very colorful character. Kevin Prendergast Billy Ash long career,
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stellar career and revered in Irish racing.
Speaker 9 (45:01):
Yeah, another great trainer and very colorful character. Unlike Barry Hills,
Kevin Prandegasta course was born into an Irish racing dynasty.
His father Darky Prandegast, legendary trainer himself and his brother Paddi,
who we lost a couple of years ago, both carved
out really good careers as trainers themselves. Kevin road as
an amateur in his early years, but was a very
successful courter trainer. He started training in nineteen sixty three,
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so he was training for sixty two years. Sent out
his last runner on the thirteenth to June this year,
finished Thurdon Mallow, so he's been in racing all his life.
He's had some tremendous horses, the likes of Oscar Schindler
is one that sticks in my mind. Won a couple
of Irish ledgers. He had Rebelan. He won a British
Classic with Nevolo back in the day. A Tad is
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probably one of his better known horses. And I suppose.
Speaker 8 (45:48):
Matt, sorry than Matt. Yeah, just going to throw that
in there.
Speaker 9 (45:51):
It's topical enough, but yeah, Kevin was a great trainer,
also a very good trainer of jockeys. I suppose, if
you like, he put a lot of good apprentices through
his hands. He was a tough man by all accounts,
didn't suffer fools, but had a really you know, he
had the cord of staff that worked with him for decades.
So I mean, he was obviously quite a good man
to work for. I think that's always a great trait
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of somebody. But he put a lot of good jockeys
through his hands. Decla might done a British champion jockey.
I thought it was very interesting when he paying tribute
to Kevin last year or last week, he said that
Kevin got a great kickout of Decline might don A
winning the jockeys championship, not that he'd ever tell you,
he said, which I thought was kind of a reflection
of the man Chris Hayes, who of course wrote his
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thousand winner at ross Common last night. He came up
through the ranks at Kevin Prendegast's and you know, Kevin was,
like I said, he was a colorful character. He had
a running battle with the Irish handicapper, who I'm reliably
informed he used to write a letter to, or at
least dictate a letter to, on an almost weekly basis.
And it wasn't to tell him what a wonderful job
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he was doing. I'm told with you know, a very
reliably informed that each letter used to start with deer
and insert your own explete of here.
Speaker 8 (47:04):
Before he got into the look he was.
Speaker 9 (47:08):
He was a good trainer, he was an even better
rack on tour. You have very well respected figure and
he'll be sredly missed.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Absolutely medic of course. D Way Lucas, the passing de Lucas,
aged eighty nine, a legendary career he had right until
the final weeks of his life. And we're going to
end with you. It's a great time of year. This
isn't it's time to dust off the Panama July Meeting
bound and Super Saturday, which we always get very angry about.
I always like to get angry about Super Saturday.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Graceful, awful, dreadful. It's just a great time of year,
I thought, GC. I love those game notes, just summed
it up perfect. If you're a sports fan, I mean,
oh my goodness, the next few weeks, you know, I'm
listening to Billy while trying to keep up to date
with the Lions and the Test match and then Wimbedling ongoing,
and for racing.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
It's bubbling along nicely. This for that season, it really is.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
And yeah, we roll from the Eclipse into the July
Meeting next week, which is always fabulous, and then Good
which should be spectacular, and then the jug Mont itself.
When you look at that, oh my word, if you
get those overseas raiders, so yeah, I love it. What
if you're a sports fan and you can't enjoy this, then.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Open a Twitter account.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
We haven't touched on.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
I don't miss Twitter one iota. Honestly, my life is
so much better without. I missed the whole current situation completely.
I had no idea, just looked like a really nice
day to me.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
We haven't mentioned a Haydock at the weekend, but I
don't know how good she is a strange but she
looked really good when she went at Haydock the other week.
And she's been mentioned as a possible arc Philly by
David Ormara who doesn't get carried away. And there's a
red hot old Newton Cup as well this weekend. Mount
Atlas could be an interesting player in that. So no,
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if you take your time to step back, I mean
I I've lost the last couple of weeks and not
played very well and lost fortunes.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
But I've lost, but.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
I still am able to get a lot of joy
from this sport. And the moment I don't is the
moment I'll I'll give it away. But there's some tremendous
characters around, and there's some tremendous rating around.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
And that's not We're not papering over the fact that
the sport's problems, absolutely not. And you know, you know
that this is going to blow up whatever Lord Allen decides,
it's gonna it's gonna blow up.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
But but there's also a lot of joy to be
had as well.
Speaker 8 (49:32):
I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, and when I go to Ireland, it's completely separate
from crowd issues and prize money in Whirlpool, and it's
here as well, But I really feel it in Ireland.
It's with Kevin prendergast Weld all those there's a there's
a reverence for the sport there that is absolutely fantastic.
It's here in patches, but in Ireland you know that
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it's for all that the crowds are struggling a bit,
that there is still an enormous amount of color and
and joy about horse racing. So Aiden's Dr Pangloss was
the guy who said everything for the best in the
best of all possible worlds Now, Aidan's the face of
the franchise now with no Frankie around, and it was
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somewhat orchestrated at the weekend.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
It was somewhat choreographed. But I think I'd rather side
with Aiden than some of the naysayers myself. So now
let's to look forward.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
To one's Billy slots out that bus to Dublin for
in his good Hands Day, in his good Hands love
the way to finish the podcast on a positive Now
thanks to Scoop to add to GC and to Billy,
and here's hoping that Saturday's gone. The CLIPS lives up
to Bay.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
If it turns out that there is an actual free
bus from Dublin to the current blame doesn't fall on me, Beth,
that's a terrible job.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
By then we will hang them out to lie on
social we will, We'll take responsibility, but yeah, we will
do research for actors a bus and let you know
when we're back. Thank you very much for listening, and
I hope you enjoy a CLIPS day at Sandowt.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well welcome along to the Sporting Life Raising podcast. David
or John By Battling foot Ed Chamberlain, Graham Cunningham and
Billy and Ash. It's fifty years of the Cold Eclipse.
Ex will be previewing what looks like being the stellarvian
ule of the sand Down Group. One other bits and
bobs to discuss, of course, as we make our return GC,
have you been Have you been soaking up the best
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of the British and Irish action of late?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I have, and I might be a bit rusty with
his game notes, but I think it's it's time we
had a reprise, So here we go help everyone's doing good.
One week you're basking in a golden Royal ascrit loam.
The next it's strictly a dismal dance around the Irish
Derby Richie and Ruby grizzling about a handicap heavy card.
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They have a point, but it might be worth noting.
First five jolleys on Saturday's card were four to nine,
eight to fifteen, two to nine, four to nine and
five to six. A brace of Brian's clumping and stomping
around the crowd. Conundrum Kerr Boss Cavanagh with a logic
one step above Father Ted saying that money was just
(01:13):
resting in my account. Blakey rannying the troops with a
video of tipsy revelers boogying round the bins, Fran and
Jane gliding off the RT set to tell us the
buzz is back. Aiden calling criticism the greatest nonsense. Big
John Magnia saying he had a good bet of Lamborne
in the whirlpool and Twitter piranhas who hardly ever go racing,
(01:38):
griping about why people don't don't go racing anymore, again
saying Lamborne is so laid back he'd have a tiger
on his back if we were in the wild, Aiden,
I'd be more worried about what might happen when he
finally gets a proper group one.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Rival on his back.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Dave speaking of Ascot American affair. Thanks for all the messages,
and Dave speaking of Asker later this month. Kalpana King,
George Collision course that Murphy analysis on Lucky Show, Wow,
bad segment. Kevin Prendegast, what a life trained hard Ross
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in his early days maybe the most handsome horse I've
ever seen. Barry Hills, great trainer with no need for
a silver spoon. Nightmare to get a quote from if
he wasn't in the mood rip Barry Kevin pdf. Congrats
on the AMMO job. Hope it goes well, but maybe
don't buy green bananas absorbing the clips On Saturday, strong
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card at Haydock, Wimbledon in.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Full flow, Open golf looming at Port Rush. Then it's
on to Ascot, Goodwood and York.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
There's nothing like the British and Irish sporting summer, so
come on, piranhas.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Just think of Luke Harvey.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
On a scorching summer day standing in a swimming pool
with his top room and see if you can find
one little bit of fun and join it all or
a great Aiden says, we're all in this world at
this time, so enjoy it and get together and have
a great time.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Lads obvious. The Eclipse week game notes tremendous.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Thank you j S. Let's live by Aiden's advice. That's
my new policy, chamblin because this cover Eclipse on Saturday's
got potentially be a belt invece, hasn't it ed?
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, it's a good one, really good one, and it's
got plenty of the sort of sporting spotlight to itself
which it might not have in a World Cup or
a Euro's year. There's plenty going on as GC talked
about now with wimbled and the Women's Euros, the star
of the Tour de France on Saturday, but it'll have
plenty of prominence this weekend. And it's the eclipse you want,
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isn't it. And I like the preview on the sporting
life with all those Group one winners in the race,
the clash of the generations, high profile horses. Yeah, it
shakes up to be a really good renewal.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Now, Benlin. I was on a Jockey Club zoom with
Thada Gosden yesterday talking on Budsmen. It was one of
the very rare ones that five minutes eleven in was done.
I mean you're often you're often looking for the half
hour buzz, but there was there was no day. It
was in good form. But it's not a man who
was a thousand words if ten will to fights was, however,
read the situation, but how it should be exactly Bear
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that in mind with the answer to this question onwardsmen
brilliant in the Prince of Wales, estates why last got
we had a saving pace to aim at Benlin. But
how different a test could this common eclipse be?
Speaker 6 (04:34):
Yeah, it could be very different.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
There's not an awful lot of pace on paper, I
guess with bally Doyle having potentially three in there that
will help, you might expect Expanded to be a pace maker.
Dela Quare is probably going to be ridden, certainly more
prominently than he than he was in the Derby. If
al mccameruns he went forward in the Brigadier Gerrard, but
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there has to be a big question mark about him turning,
you know, on what it's likely to be fast ground
with a hot weather forecasting star. So yeah, it could
be really different from Budsman. I mean, he cut his
teeth out in France last year and certainly his raised
at long Shomp in September was run off a slow
gallop and he dealt with that pretty well. And he
does look like a horse that's got plenty of gears,
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doesn't he. All of his entries are ten in a
mile and a half, but it wouldn't be a massive
surprise if he dropped back to a mile perhaps later
in the season then on soft ground or something like
the qwy too. I think he's a horse with plenty
of pace. I think the worry would be would he
settle off a slower gallop because he could be he
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could be a bit keen in the early stages. But
it's a minor it's a minor worry. He just looks
the class act in the race to me, Dave, and
I think they've all got it on to beat him
after what he did at ur Aasca. I mean, he
found so much trouble in the straight and still sprinted
away from them, off for a strong galup, like you say,
and because of the patients have showed he's so anexposed
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any mouths on the clock. This is just his seventh start. Yeah,
very much the one to beat for me.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But do youc you watch over previous eclipses and last
to first is not a common sight in the sundown feature.
Speaker 8 (06:18):
No.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Ben summed it up quite neatly.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
A bit longer than ideal perhaps, but he summed up
the pace scenario. Well, it's one thirty time form now
on Bardsman, and it's a question of can he get
close to that, repeat it or even beat it in
a different tactical setup because it was a really truly
run race the Prince of Wales's States and as usual, lads,
I've done the hard work, so you don't have to
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have had a look at the last twenty years of
horses who won the Prince of Wales and went for
the quick turnaround, and it is a pretty quick turnaround
in the Eclipse. My dream boat wasn't a flash Prince
of Wales's Stakes when he was fifth of seven at
six to one in the Eclipse when he up the
few was five to two favorite. She won a role
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askdot Prince of Wales's steaks. She was only six of
nine in the Eclipse al kazine he did the double
fifteen to eight when he won in twenty thirteen wija board.
She want to ask it in l six, but she
got badly, badly hampered in the Eclipse, so I think
we can give her a pass for the records. So
you think didn't quite win the Prince of Wales's Stakes.
He was beaten just by Rewilding, but he went on
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to beat Workforce in the Eclipse in twenty eleven. So
my key question is I came away from the Prince
of Wales of thinking Craigy. I didn't think he was
that good and I shouldn't knock him now, but I
am thinking, is he going to be quite so dynamic
if it turns into her a last first swoop attempted
swoop in a more tactical race.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
That's my concern at sixty four And.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's a fascinating question. Are you following against his favorite?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well, I'm really interested, Billy might be able to help me.
What will Valley Doyle do here?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Because they made an absolute mess of it and they
held their hands up in the Prince of Wales yea,
And what a pace collapse that was that he was
able to have trouble in the straight and still win
like that onwardsman, And it just strikes me this is
going to be completely different. They will have a plan
up their sleeve, and the two big guns aren't necessarily
going to want to all out gallop, so they could
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make it very tricky to set it up for either
Camille Pissaro.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Or de Lacroix.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
And yeah, I'm really interested by that, Billy, because they
want to make amends when they Bally Doyle here.
Speaker 9 (08:30):
Absolutely will And you make a good point at Yeah,
I think we're all pretty we can assume that expanded
will make the running, but I very much doubt it
go as hard as they did at Ascot, which did
definitely the pace collapse in the straight and it probably
did show. I won't say it flattered onwards man, but
he was maybe seen to advantage the way the race
worked out that the pace did collapse, he was finishing
best of all, and whether he can back that up,
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and as the lad said, like it's seventeen days, it's
quite a tight turnaround having had a hard race that
askut because let's face it, there they were flat out
from the world go there. So that was a tough race.
And it will be really interest to see what Balid
I'll do. And it'll be really interesting to see what
Ryan Moore rise. Will he ride the French Derby winner
Camille Pisaro or will he write Delacrasts, who of course
he picked for the Epsom Derby, And obviously they think
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quite a bit of delacrast He's a beautifully bread cold
I think they'd be really keen to get a middle
distance group won into him if they could it. Also,
I wouldn't be surprised if he rides him again, you
can easily put a line through his Derby run because
things just didn't pan out for him on the day.
He met trouble early on, he never got competitive. He's
better than that, but just how much better than that?
We're kind of still in the dark because yes, he
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beat Lamborn in the bally Sacks, but the Darrenstown thereby
are what used to be the Darningstown Derby Tild. The
Leopards Downd Derby Tild was a bit of a fast
They went gallop, So yeah, I don't think they're gonna want.
Speaker 8 (09:46):
To flat out gallop for him.
Speaker 9 (09:47):
Probably the same for Camiali Pisaro, who just about got
them out in a quarter in the French Derby. He
wouldn't be bred to get any more than that, So yeah,
it will be really interesting. They have a pacemaker in
the race, but don't expect them to go flat out.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Really, I'm going to ask you back.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Came up pasorrow because he got the complete saloon passage
as Shaun t didn't. He everything went right on the inside.
The one gap came just when he needed it and
he was all out. And my natural instinct is to think,
well it's time for one one one seven on that
that's not good enough for this year's eclipse. And then
I think of Trinity College, and I think of Garden
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of Eden, and I think of Lambone and the way
that Aiden can train a hardness and a progression into
hosts past the point when you think they should have
stopped improving it in leaps and bands.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
That's the thing with him, isn't it?
Speaker 8 (10:34):
Absolutely is, And let's not forget this horse.
Speaker 9 (10:36):
I think around seven times last year GC and probably
posted his best effort in the seventh one where he
won a Group one in France, which he wasn't really
expected to win. He wasn't the first string on that occasion,
and he has taken a leed forward this year. He
certainly has improved again, thurding a French guineas won a
French Derby. I think he just seems to be sort
of exceeding expectations all the time.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
And how much higher he can go.
Speaker 9 (10:58):
I'm not sure he's like you said, he's a typical
bally dying horses, hard knocking.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
He takes his racing really well.
Speaker 9 (11:04):
He'll turn up again, but whether he'll be able to
take the leap against these older horses I'm not convinced, no.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Know me and Matt. Matt insisted Scoop that he did
the horse by horse with the clips very sweet on
Camille Passaro, do you share that enthusiasm.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
More with jcaing in doubting that he has quite got
the talent to mix it with these what look a
really good bunch of old horses, you know, headed by
on Boodsman, but you've got Serzi as well and perhaps
Al mccamon. We can't leave, and I think that's a
really good solid bunch of fire year old plus horses.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
And the three year olds, for.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
Me, have a bit to prove to show that they're
up to this standard at this stage of the season.
Obviously they get the ten pound weight for age, but
I think they'll need all of that. And yeah, like
the Lad's already said, you know, he got a great
ride in the in the French Derby, and I think
he has to step up quite significantly to be amongst
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this lot now.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And it's great to see Soulsi in there that Andre Farb,
isn't it bringing a new fresh angle into the eclipse.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yes, very much so. That the French before the Danny
didn't that they had an awful record in this race.
They hadn't won it for donkeys' years, and then the
day he broke that trend a couple of years ago,
I might have him wrong. I looked at him and
my immediate reaction was one and a half soft ground
and here we are quick ground ten fernals.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
He's a great, big brute of a horse. Am I
being harsh? There is the ground all right for him.
Speaker 10 (12:36):
Because I put a line for him pretty quickly, actually, Soli, Yeah, yeah,
I think I don't think he has great acceleration ed
and the combination of that and fast ground might might
be problematic.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
He adds a lot to the race, and there's no
question he's a high class horse, but something's going to
have to show a bit of real zip here. And
I think you're really well. I think there might be
one with a better, more potent turn of foot myself.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Can Billy about White Birch Billy? First, do you think
he'll come? And secondly how big a chance does he have?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Age does come?
Speaker 9 (13:15):
The forecast is correct, and if it stays as dry
as it looks like it's going to, then no, I
can't see him running I'd love to see him run
in the race. I think he'd have a big chance,
but look, they've pulled him out on fast run on
a couple of occasions, didn't send him Plaska for that reason,
so I don't see him running GC.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
I take Head's point about soci as well. Soci he's won.
Speaker 9 (13:34):
Six times in France said, and all six times time
Farm have described the ground as good or softer, so
it does seem to be an issue with him. And
reading Andre Fabbs quotes during the week, it looks as
if the owners are very keen to run, and I'm
not sure he's all that keen about it, but you know,
we'll see. He doesn't tend to send him over if
he thinks they have no chance either.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And on the ground issue, we're going to play a
guessing game about a lamb quam, aren't we. I've ever
pronounced that right, Alm whatever, it's a horse.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
When he beat on Bardsman in.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The Brigadier Gerrard, yes he was getting three pounds, but
it was a combination of things. I think he's just
more mature, stronger, better horse than he was when he
he couldn't go with the real elite group one three
year olds last year, but it's new tactics.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
He made the running in the Brigadier Gerrard as well.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
And the one thing we shouldn't disregard here, both from
a point of view of his improvement and a possible
news angle if he does rock up this weekend he
had a she Murphy on for the first time at
sand Down Park.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's very true, Scooby. It must be very hard for
these connections. It's long, dry summer. They're sitting on their hands.
They're potentially missing ryle Ascott, missing the eclipse. If it's
a quick ground York for the dud went into that
sole all of a sudden, you're literally getting all in
on a champion sidexiety.
Speaker 7 (14:52):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a quandary for ed Walk.
He's sort of said in his weekend a column that
if it's good ground he'll he'll run, and we know
the water well at Sandown said there's half a chance
he might set up. But looking at the weatherfig I
mean it's going to be twenty six twenty seven degrees
and hot in the next couple of days at Sandown,
so you just think there's going to be some firm
creeping into the going description at least, and if that's
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the case, he probably won't run.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
And like you say, it's a shem.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
I mean, obviously the owners have a rich history with
this range that they run it with them touto and
who was the second to Saint Mark's Basilica Adeeb So
you know he he'd be so interesting if he does run.
And you know he's not an antipost but at all
is he? But if he did rock up on the day,
you know, he suddenly becomes a massive player. But I
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do think, yeah, they're going to be working backwards from
the champion stakes, aren't they, And a bit of soft
ground in the autumn.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
They raised on Friday at Sandown, don't we. So you
have to think there's a chance that horses like that
will be declared and then the trainer will have a
good look at exactly what transpires or evil transpires might
at Sandown.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Now you're clear not listening to the adel Brian landrat
because you're you're you've got ruling cart lot turning up
either that that would be a blow.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I've got no great evidence to back that up. I
would just I just find his campaigning a little bit surprising. Really,
I didn't fancy him in the derby and he didn't.
He didn't turn up, And then I thought, criikie coming
back to a mar when he's been trained for a
mile and a half. And it was so interesting hearing
Aid and O'Brien talking about the way horses are trained,
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particularly when he talked about his gold Cup horse who
he wasn't able to get that stamina into him. So
ruling cour you'd imagine might have a head full of
scrambled egg at the moment.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
What is he?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And yeah, I was just.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
A bit ask it as well ed, wasn't He was
ducking into the right when he came under pressure later.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
On he actually ran a bit better than I was expecting.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
But yeah, you're right, and yeah, i'd be surprised if
he turned up. And I'm just not quite sure what
he is, which is a shame because I thought when
he won the Guineas he looked brilliant.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
But there's a poker game between connections here and if
you're looking and you thinking, well, I don't think he's
going to run. I don't think he's going to run,
and he might not run either, So that the temptation
to give it a lash for someone like that is
going to be stronger if they think a few of
the main opponents aren't on deck.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I hope he does turn up.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
You know, having two thousand guineas winner in the race
adds a lot to it as well, So I hope
I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
It looks like ten furlong half, doesn't he.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
I mean obviously with his breeding by Justify out of
a high chaparm and the way that he ran in
the Saint James's Palace. I mean William Bwick to me
he was just never happy at any stage behind the
bride or off off the bridle.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Early, but the way he stayed on.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
I know he's putting seven lens by a bit of
a monster at the line, but he just ran like
ten furlongs will be his optimum trip. So yeah, he'd
be an intriguing runner if he does turn up.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
This Budsman's going to go off with even money, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
The more you look at the rays, it feels out way,
doesn't it that it's this could be a five runner
despite the five six runner. But there's a million million
quid up for off of Billy. You don't get chance
to nice for this sort of pot.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
That we don't.
Speaker 9 (18:03):
But I'm going to probably rule another one out no Ardy,
and that's hot as hell, the Jessica Harrington horse, who
I can't see running. If the ground stays like this,
he'd be a very topical winner, of course, but no,
I think the I think the ground is gone against him,
which is a pity. Third in Irilish guineas and again
a horse that they think ten forums will really suits
but definitely wants an ease and the going. And we
haven't really touched on a Matt Ordy, who I'm sure
will turn up. Yeah, you know, he's a seven year
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old gelding. He's not sure the ten of Billy either
because of the ground. Well I hope he does, because
look he ran a cracker at Ascot.
Speaker 8 (18:33):
He looked to me like he was gonna beat umwards
Man for a lot of the way. Like I said,
he's a seven year old gelding. What else do you
do with him?
Speaker 9 (18:39):
I mean, are they what's the point in minding him
at this stage that there's a group one here that
he's got a really good chance of winning. In my opinion,
i'd certainly le him run and I think he'd have
a great chance if he did show.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Up, But if you read his sporting life, Billy, he
cannot win, absolutely cannot win. Kenny already, seven year olds
do not win, and in fact they've never won the Eclipse,
so there's absolutely no point the age of seven turning
up for the Eclipse. The horse you could be the
bet in the Race of Meal if he's going to
turn up with Stanhope Gardens, isn't it twenty or twenty
five to one?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now it'll turn up Charley, in which.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Case he's the bet right now. I would say I'm
with Billy.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I'm with Billy.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I think it was time Form called the ground firm
in the Prince of Wales's stinks and he ran an
absolute screamer and given give them that, you know you're
running out of chances with a seven year old, give
it a lash and have another go Onbardsman and maybe
just sitting behind him and try and do him for
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a warm bit of pains at the end. But I
think I think me and Billy are onto something here.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
He might be the one.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
If you're looking to take on the favourite and create history,
win can what just because he's seven, he's seven, seven
year old's never how long has the race been around?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
For one hundred and something years?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
The problem then It was the same with the Prince
of Wales's stinks but he ran really well there, Sporting
Life tells me, cannot win.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Well, we'll cut out the spot watch you like it
for the audio clipscho, We'll just we'll just have ed
saying that. Can you scoop to make a case of
start out gardens? I mean, it looked like a big
player with the Derby, didn't he So it looked like
he might be the one to come through at least
lay a challenge down.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Certainly the most interesting of these unexposed three year olds,
I think, yes, yes, well no, there's there's four or five.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And there isn't there, but they're not exposed.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
It's his first go at ten for long, so you
can't get any more unexposed than that. The trip anyway,
and yeah, the way he moved into the Derby and
off the back of what wasn't an ideal preparation either, Remember,
I mean he ropped up at Salisbury, a race that
was put on for him over him mile. Wasn't it
just to get him to Epsom in time, so you
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can easily see him coming forward from that.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
So of course there's a case to.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Be made for him, but it just looks too hot
a race for me to be, you know, having your
first go at ten and winning.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
So we've got a map for GC and as the
alternatives to on boardsman, do you think of a Stanhope Gardens?
Speaker 5 (21:03):
I am yeah, because you know over the winter he
was definitely the number one up the road at Kipton
and the Derby just came too soon for him. He
couldn't get him ready for the Derby after the hold
up earlier on. I think you'll take a giant leap
forward from it. And you've got Delacoi at seventy one
having been miles behind the Derby, and Stanhope Gardens is
twenty and twenty five.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
School, What's what's your alternative if you've got one to onwardsmen.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
That in the race is on Budsman odds against any odds,
against even money, I would I would be getting on that.
He by firing away the most obvious winner for me
in the race, and I don't I'm not concerned enough
about the tactical scenario to be against him.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
There you go, fascinating. Let's call let's help more turn
up than the dooms.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
What do you think, Udie, where are you going after
all that evidence?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I'm going to consider the evidence. And that was my alternative.
I thought. I thought they'd like to have to have
a shot at on Woodsman rather than being shot at
by him if I make send. This sort of changed
in the tactical scenario, I thought, because he quickened up
really smartly asked. I thought he'd put the vise to
bed first and then got runned down. So I just
hope they all set up. Come on, try and listen
to Aiden. Let's be positive. Let's let's let this great game,
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Brie now Billy Nash. Aiden won. They do Bay duty
three Iris Dabbit with lambborn. It wasn't visually stunning. It
looked hard work. He won ugly. What did you make
of it?
Speaker 8 (22:28):
Yeah, exactly that he did win ugly.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
So we had him runing to a rating of one
hundred and twenty two when he won the derby at Epsom,
just one hundred and sixteen at the Coral, which is
kind of an average Ardish derby winner In recent times.
But like you said, he was pretty much all allowed
to do it. I think if you had taken the
short odds about him, you'd have had more than one
anxious moment in the street. But like a lot of
Aiden's horses, responded really well, the pressure got the job done.
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Now Aidan was talking about the King Georgie afterwards. Certainly
on that performance you wouldn't be too inclined to go
to a King.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
George with them.
Speaker 9 (22:58):
They also have the laxy Jan Bruger for that race.
But he looks at Tailor mates and Ledger hearse because
it seems to me like all he does is day
and he's one that will probably keep on progressing. He
could even make into a decent stare next year. But
at the moment that looks like the route he's gonna
go down. Like I said, Rand to one hundred and sixteen,
it's a race we couldn't take a very high view
on Lardy because the runner up seat our serious contender,
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one of the Ballyed Island lesser fancied runners. I suppose
he'd been beaten at Ascott, beaten off America ninety two
in a handicap with Ascott.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
Now he was probably beaten by a very good.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
Horseed Merchant paid him a handsome compliment, but at the
same time he came into the race, you know, not
really with Group one credentials, shall we say, lazy Griff
finished third, reeled into the dxps. About this one, I
think he never looked like he was going well. Looked
in big trouble early in the strait, but in fairness
and finished off his race well. Finished third again. It
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looks like all the roads lead to the Ledger with
him and Tennessee stood back and forth finished heard at Epsom.
They rode him closer to the pace, couldn't get any
closer to Lamborne. I think maybe some off ground is
possibly an issue with him. His best efforts last year
was cut on the ground and one for the back
that they thought did emerge with credit with Sir Dinadan,
who probably paid a price for trying to eyeball Glanbourne
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early in the early in the race.
Speaker 8 (24:14):
It was still an improved performance from him.
Speaker 9 (24:15):
I think there's a good race in him later on
in the year, but might need a bit of time
to get over this because because a pretty grueling contest.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
You did come away jac thinking that Jan Brugel and
Los Angeles would be the the big balad Oil Dad
for the major middle distance prizes for the autumn.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, I've never really brought into the Los Angeles thing.
Jan Breugel went me over to a large extent at Epsom.
As for Lamborne, you know, he's a really likable, hardy horse,
and you know he rolls his sleeves up any battles.
We saw that at the weekend. I'm not sure how
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easy he'll be the place from now on the Leger, Yes,
but if they're looking at King George's and ar except
just not sure he's that kind of good. Myself, I
lost on the race, still can hardly believe it. I
wanted to give a Biffo to Griffo, lazy griff so
I laid him for a place and that was never
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going to finish plays until he was So hats off
to them. They're having a great ride with the Griffo.
But again, all roads lead to Donnie for him. But
I watched the derby at Epsom multiple times and I
think how many Group one horses are in that field?
And I watched Sunday's race and I thought how many
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proper Group one horses are in that field, and to
be honest, I can't find many. I think we might
be looking at a relatively middling bunch of three year
old colts, which I think brings me towards the likes
of Kalpana and Whirl and how strong a hand the
Phillies might have to play in the second half of
this season.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
We'll get back to you.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
When stan had Garden wins the Eclipse said, there's am here,
isn't there Billie for cool More? Because normally they'd have
their Derby winner and think, right, he needs to win
over ten. They surely can't do that with this guy Lamborne.
But they also imagine won't want to go some Ledger woods.
So yeah, a scenario, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
We said the same thing last year this time last
year with Los Angeles and they have managed to manufacture
a group one over a mile and a quarter for him,
So maybe they'll try and do the same with Lamborne.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
Like you said, they don't generally tend to send.
Speaker 9 (26:28):
Their Derby winners to Doncaster for the Ledger, but they
might have to rethink with this, will them? Because I
can't see him coming back and winning a group one
over a million a quarter.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
But let's see what happens.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
It's had an interesting sort of path to being a
dual Derby winner, because did Billy did he go to
a list in race at Crayon a crowd in the
French provinces last summer time? So he's I think he's
surprised a few people, including within his own camp, hasn't he.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
Yeah, he made his debut at Kilarney last year, which
wouldn't be that unusual for an over Derby winner, but
was haunted on the day he was set to finish
second when one of Joseph's ran through the rail inexplicably
with about fifty yards to go Blambourne Lamborne was left
in front the eh Green tri angle indeed, and then
they sent to the Crayon for a list of risk,
which is a fairly bizarre way for Ballydd campaigned their horses,
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but that's where they sent them. Tried blinkers on him
on his last start last year. I'm not really sure
why quickly dispersed with them, and he just seems to
have got better and better this year, But yeah, I
do think he has surprised a few people down there.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Billy let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
We don't need to delve into the you know, the
Derby debate that's been rumbling along too deeply, but what's
your feeling about the Irish Derby where it stands nowadays
and the current situation that you know, I think about
the old days, they're the old days. They're gone of
thirty thousand crowds, et cetera. It's it's a new scenario
in more ways than one for the Caron now, isn't it.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Yeah, we're rejoicing at the weekend.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
They got over eleven thousand at the weekend, which you know,
that kind of shows you the sign of the times
in Ireland. They do have a lot to compete with
this time of the year in Ireland, we have a
lot of you know, we're right in the middle of
the GA season. There's various concerts and whatever, so the
core is struggling to compete with some of these places.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (28:14):
I think the Irish Derby card itself. It looks to
me like they've kind of sold their soul to the
wharterpool here because six handicaps, two listed races, and the
Irish Derby, it's like all the way on steroids that card.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
You know, it doesn't really appear to me.
Speaker 9 (28:31):
And okay, there's there is some talk about perhaps trying
to merge the Irish Oaks in the Irish Derby run
them on the same weekend or even on the same card.
Sounds like a great idea to me. Whether it will
ever happen, I don't know. The way the pattern race
program is set out in Europe, I don't know if
they'll managed to do that. They will be knocking effects
obviously with the clipses and King George's and whatever, so
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I don't know if it will happen. I hope it does,
because I do think they need to do something to
up the quality, let's say, of the Thereby card, because yes,
there was some very good racing of the weekend, but
I mean it wasn't what you'd call a top quality card.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
A question to you on that if you don't I
have a foot in the world, boom that show. But
I agree that that that card did not balance well.
I didn't so to lose at least one of the handicaps,
and you know, have a good quality group race as
backup would be a good start. There's one of the
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point I want to make it. You make your pointed,
because my memory is failing me, and there's one of
the point I wanted to make by it.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
No, I'm just going to ask Audi why he thinks
it's not possible these days. Why does it have to
be either the best race day in the world ever
where everyone had a great time, or utterly appalling what's
happened to middle ground to say it was that was
a decent.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Day that, Yeah, it doesn't exist. And I think if
you look at it, the division seems to come whether
you went or not. If you go, you tend to
think you have had a really good day out. If
you don't, you're looking on from a fat you think crap.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Well I was there and it did have a good,
really positive atmosphere. The other point I've just forgotten about
for billion and the rest of rescues.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I have no inside knowledge on this. I just rock
up and do my job.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
I would guess that the Kura would not be looking
to blend Irish Derby and Irish Oaks. They'd be looking
to find an extra Worldpool card if they can, so
that they can have the right type of menu on
Irish Derby Day, and maybe just maybe fire up the
Irish Oaks weekend so that they can have another Worldpool card,
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because the sort of money that it generates for these
tracks now is very, very hard for them to ignore.
And if you've accepted the new normal of eleven thousand
citizens through the gates, you're going to need to find
your five hundred, six hundred and seven thousand euro from
another quarter.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
School before we leave the Iris Stabby just align on Merchant,
who was touched upon there, and you'd imagine that William
Hagerson hay Herbert, who was always Aidan's man trel does
have it, but you thought they'd be if every please
watching on from a fire what they saw.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
Yeah, absolutely obviously serious contenders, second to Merchant at Royal
Ascot and then second to Lamborn in the Irish Derby.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
And I actually think.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
That these slower burning three year olds like Merchant and
to a lesser extent, maybe the Queens VARs Horses might
be the ones to watch in the second half of
the season, because I, like you see, I look at
the Derby and the Irish Derby and I see a
pretty run bunch of three year old middle distance cults
really and I think the ones that have shown a
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bit more patience, the likes of Merchant and Raheeve. They
might come to the fore in the second half of
the season in races like the Voltagere and the Ledger.
So that'd be the line of form might be looking
at now away from Lamborn. You know, I think he's
going to be incredibly hard to place now Lamborn, when
he comes across a horse with gears overrom and a half,
I think he's going to really struggle and it once
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surprise me if he doesn't win another ace this season.
Speaker 6 (32:06):
So yeah, I'd be looking at that other line of
form and Scoop.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Can I just say thank you to you and the
loads of others who sent the messages after our one
horse to take from Lascott feature well, I put up
servious content as could make into an ed due Arson
who was six or six one at the time. Thank
you for all the messages you sent me about that
night no.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
Where is they very good to appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
One more quick point about the currfore we move on,
and also point on Merchant as well. I met a
lovely couple from Cardiff called Jonathan on Beth on the
way in to the Cura British racecoers who loved going
racing in the Ireland, very aware of the of the
pluses and potential minuses, and they said, and you need
to get onto.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
This billion ash.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Why is there no free bus from Dublin to the
curR on major race days? You know they had to
get the train from Euston Station to New Bridge and
then blah blah blah. Why don't the curR put on
a free bus? That is merchant. I would never dream
of telling William Haggis what to do, but if I
were to, I would say consider the Melbourne Cup for
that merchant. He's by te Filo without a fight, cross counter,
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twilight payment all by tr Fhilo. Once they start to improve,
the sky's the limits. So I know the Gordon Steaks
is likely to be his next race and that was
the springboard for cross counters.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Melbourne Cup win that year.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I used to catch the Boss from Doubling to the Risty.
They definitely used to have them on. There'll be three
or fourth in there. That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
That's it, in your good hands, really in your good hands.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Three I'm driving on Saturday. That's that's that's demons. Me
and Neil Channing are slot in the parking ride at Cheldham.
So if you saw you saw Doublin for the aristarby,
Billy will be absolutely laughing. We're going to move on
to the Pretty polyment. We shouldn't move on from the
man that I've seen though, JC lying on Calandergan in
the Grand Pride's sang Clue. We saw him brought to
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his knees by Jan Bruegel and spat out in the
Combination Cup. My goodness, he was silky at the weekend.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Yeah, first Group one success.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
One of his main rivals, Goliath ran badly, didn't I think, Yeah,
but no, that was good news for caland Agan. And
he's we know how good he is. It's taken him
a while to any Group one, but he's a proper
Group one horse. And he comes to ask it for
the King George along with Jan Breugel and along with Calparo,
who I think is I think she's sneaky under the
radar at the moment. I was very impressed with what
she showed going down behind world in the Pretty poly
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stakes at the weekend. So I think especially we get
a bit of rain. I think the King George could
be a cracker jet race this year.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Billy, Let's talk about that pretty Poly. When I asked
me about the autobiography, one of the things I'll focus
in on is the the ability to improve phillies or
horses seeming to look exposed and from worl going into
the music alla to whirl. Now, it's just remarkable. And
she was tough and that she was tough? Wasn't she?
That pretty Poly.
Speaker 9 (35:09):
Sheds the Camille Pisarro about this one. I think she
has kind of taken him a little bit by surprising
Bally because she wasn't one of their more high profile
two year olds.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
She won a group race at the back end of
the corral where she wasn't the.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
First string, but did it pretty much the way she
did it the weekend, made the running very hard to pass.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
And yeah, look looked really good in the music door.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
Ran a cracker on the oaks and this was a
really top performance I thought at the weekend. Yes, she
was getting twelve pounds off Calupana, so you know, kudos
to Calupanda, But the way that she was headed and
battled back, it just chose. She has a you know,
she's a really really tough video I think she was
described as the perfect racehorse by Edding O'Brien afterwards, you know,
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not like him to produce the hyperbole after a race,
but yeah, she's look, she's really tough, she's really genuine.
But obviously he's got another pretty similar filly in the
in the barn of Mini Hawks, so it'll be interesting
to see how.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
He splits them up.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
To me, the Nassau looks the obvious race for world
after the weekend. Mini Hawk's supposed to go to the
early shokes. So but yeah, another string to the board's
she's a tough Philly who's you know, there'sn't It's entirely possible.
We haven't seen the best of her yet because these
bandied horses just tend to get better and better.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
Another wooden bassard as well.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And the great thing is we'll see her everywhere, won't we.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
He's so aggressive with his campaigning of his Phillies between
now and the Breeders' Cup. I think we'll see well
all over the place, which is really good.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Fantastic scoop. I know we are team Calpano, have been
in the pasture shared GC's optimism for her moving forward.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
Absolutely, yeah, I think there's been a will to try
and get a ten for long group one into her
for obvious reasons, and it hasn't quite happened. But she's
she's a proper male and a half Philly to me,
and I think.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
We're ground Ben as well.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean what she did on Champions Day
last he was on soft ground, wasn't it. And by
study of Man she's she's going to have a really
big autumn. I think still I'd take a positive view
of the form of the Petty Polly. I know Survey
was quite close up in third and she was hammered
by Bluestock and on a couple of occasions last season.
But Graham Arthur and he's watching learn about the slow
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mid section in the race, and I think that sort
of explains why they were so close. And I think
take a positive view of the first two and especially
Calpina when she steps back.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Up King Georgia or rak.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, I think he's working backwards his nee.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Andrew Er from the think she's come along and just steady, steady, steady,
and then all about the autumn.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Probably she could go Yorkshire Us on the way.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I guess that could be a cracker Jack, Desert Flower
coming back. There ain't a one mini harky I thought,
wasn't it? Yeah, a lot to look forward to. Moving
the head. Let's talk about disc mening the game now, ed,
I'll come to you with it. But a new trainer
at Free Mason Lodge Point Kevin Phillip out of DeFi
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in there. It's an opportunity, isn't it. But I still
don't understand how this is working out in terms of
are they going to fill that yard with their best horses?
The love still going to be shared? I didn't quite
get that from the story yesterday.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I don't think you can ever be sure, can you,
with the way they operate, But I still think the
love is going to be spread and shared. I mean,
good luck to him. He's a good trainer, good guy.
But this is this is football, This is this is
sort of a Chelsea way of going about things. And
in how long term it is I don't know, but
it could be very effective. You can certainly train and
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nothing can surprise you, really can it.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Where's you moving in.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Now?
Speaker 6 (38:49):
I think.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
He's going to keep his other yard.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
But that's the thing, Jes I either thought, if you
if you're a flat trainer taking on new this is
new horses, new staff, and you're doing so in the
first of July. It doesn't there's no bed in in process,
no but jaction.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
And he's a fascinating character.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
He's easy to he's easy to.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Pope, not pope fun at but to make it an
awkward situation. But he's a fascinating character. I like listening
to him. But the question is, to use Ed's football analogy.
He wants to play in the Premier League with the
real big lads. How many really good horses has he got,
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you know, at Lankshire Oaks this Saturday. I think he's
going to run. You got to me rend lamentably in
the Coronation Cups. She costs four point eight million. You
can't keep missing if you're paying that sort of money.
If you're paying that sort of money on a regular basis,
they've got to hit because Judmont and Chadwell and good
Olphin and Kilmore ballyd Oil, they're having edibly deep reserves
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of you know, homebreads, et cetera. Who those pedigrees will
come through over time. So then Watnam Boys have a
very different model and it's working out strongly for them,
but I'm a racing need to get some significant success
at elite level sooner rather than later, because that project
is at a critical juncture I think at the moment.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, interesting to see where that goes. I do agree
with do you see about ka though Scoop is different?
The interviews are different. I don't know. It's more of
engaging for whatever opinion might have of it. Is the
business plan of how they're trying to do it. It's
a different approach.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
Obviously.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
It comes from that football background, I think, doesn't it
in a sort of fresh view of the world of racing,
and that GC says is critical the way that the
purchases are going. I mean, Ghost right was another big
money purchase for them, wasn't he? And I guess he's
staying with Clive. They're all staying with the trainers. Out
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of these horses, the likes of Clive Cocks, et.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Cetera, seemingly at this time is yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
But yeah, Kevin PHILIPODOPHI, I could do with a few
good ones to get the ball rolling early. Otherwise who knows,
you might be out of large pretty quickly. We're seeing
with the jockeys, haven't we that he can be pretty
trigger happy when it comes to the firing and hiring.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
That jockey phrase I used in the game notes about
don't grind by green bananas.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
I remember that that came. I first heard it.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Remember when see the fires Dam beat Golden Horn in
the International York Arabian Queen and massive David Ellsworth got
the massive hump with all.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
The media that name.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I remember, that's the only trainer that the media hadn't
rung for a quote for your race. So he said,
if you don't want to talk to me before the race,
I don't want to speak to you after the race.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
And so he marched off and I saw.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Him in the car park after having a drink and
I was chatting with him and we had had a
drink and what have you? And I said, never mind,
you know, never mind the race, well done and what
you said?
Speaker 4 (42:05):
But how are you?
Speaker 3 (42:05):
Because I knew he'd been poorly you know, he'd had
a cancer to hypnosis and I said, well, how bad
was it? He said, put it this way? The doctor
said to me, don't buy Grooen bananas. He's still here
many moons later. Speaking of trainers who've passed on, no
Dave and Kevin Prendergast two Giants.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Two Giants, and Barry Hill's attributes being paid at a
remarkable career.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Absolutely, I so enjoyed reading it as well, Audie, because
I wouldn't have known him particularly well, and a trip
down memory lane and his brilliance as a trainer has
been fascinating to read all about.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
I mean, his record at Chester is probably the thing
I'll remember most every year.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
You go through the stats at Chester and just go wow,
what he achieved there, And it looked like those records
were going to stand for a very long time before
Aiden started sending battalions there.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
But a phenomenal achievement. So amazing horses.
Speaker 5 (42:58):
What a sire, sire when you look at the Suns
and all they've achieved in the saddle as trainers, and
to lose John is so sad, and the son who's
over in Kentucky is doing so well as well.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
So a serious sire, but above all to me, a
really great human being.
Speaker 8 (43:15):
Order.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
You know, in my job you hear a lot from trainers,
but it's always when something's gone wrong. Barry was different
to that, and he'd always sidle over and have a
word and say thank you for something, or a little
word of advice about something in delightful fashion. Sadly never
got to have lunch with him because listening to Hindo,
that sounds absolutely sensational really and just the most amazing
(43:38):
grit determination and what he's bounced back from himself in
terms of setbacks, and as I say, to lose a sibling,
I mean, I'm sorry to lose a son must have
been utterly horrendous, but just a very very classy character.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
And completely self maded, which is you know it. You
know it's not unique, but it's a rarity in flat
racing these days, isn't it absolutely self made?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
G See, he landed a big touch to set the
whole operation up and running.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, Frankinson's in the Lincoln plotted for months and months
and months, and people close to him said that, you know,
they always knew there was a plot ongoing in the
yard and it would be one of about eight or
ten horses, but they could never identify the wall until
it actually went back and landed and gambled. So no
happy days following Barry Hills Rounchester to trying to get
(44:28):
a quote when he might not have been in the
best frame of mind and one of the most challenging
days of my career.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
I think I was on the racing post.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
My brief was to get quotes from Lord Barry Hills
and Sir Michael Stout who it was a bloody night
there all afternoon I managed to get something five twenty
five and what a relief. But no great great trainer
and a very colorful character. Kevin Prendergast Billy Ash long career,
(44:57):
stellar career and revered in Irish racing.
Speaker 9 (45:01):
Yeah, another great trainer and very colorful character. Unlike Barry Hills,
Kevin Prandegasta course was born into an Irish racing dynasty.
His father Darky Prandegast, legendary trainer himself and his brother Paddi,
who we lost a couple of years ago, both carved
out really good careers as trainers themselves. Kevin road as
an amateur in his early years, but was a very
successful courter trainer. He started training in nineteen sixty three,
(45:23):
so he was training for sixty two years. Sent out
his last runner on the thirteenth to June this year,
finished Thurdon Mallow, so he's been in racing all his life.
He's had some tremendous horses, the likes of Oscar Schindler
is one that sticks in my mind. Won a couple
of Irish ledgers. He had Rebelan. He won a British
Classic with Nevolo back in the day. A Tad is
(45:43):
probably one of his better known horses. And I suppose.
Speaker 8 (45:48):
Matt, sorry than Matt. Yeah, just going to throw that
in there.
Speaker 9 (45:51):
It's topical enough, but yeah, Kevin was a great trainer,
also a very good trainer of jockeys. I suppose, if
you like, he put a lot of good apprentices through
his hands. He was a tough man by all accounts,
didn't suffer fools, but had a really you know, he
had the cord of staff that worked with him for decades.
So I mean, he was obviously quite a good man
to work for. I think that's always a great trait
(46:13):
of somebody. But he put a lot of good jockeys
through his hands. Decla might done a British champion jockey.
I thought it was very interesting when he paying tribute
to Kevin last year or last week, he said that
Kevin got a great kickout of Decline might don A
winning the jockeys championship, not that he'd ever tell you,
he said, which I thought was kind of a reflection
of the man Chris Hayes, who of course wrote his
(46:33):
thousand winner at ross Common last night. He came up
through the ranks at Kevin Prendegast's and you know, Kevin was,
like I said, he was a colorful character. He had
a running battle with the Irish handicapper, who I'm reliably
informed he used to write a letter to, or at
least dictate a letter to, on an almost weekly basis.
And it wasn't to tell him what a wonderful job
(46:53):
he was doing. I'm told with you know, a very
reliably informed that each letter used to start with deer
and insert your own explete of here.
Speaker 8 (47:04):
Before he got into the look he was.
Speaker 9 (47:08):
He was a good trainer, he was an even better
rack on tour. You have very well respected figure and
he'll be sredly missed.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Absolutely medic of course. D Way Lucas, the passing de Lucas,
aged eighty nine, a legendary career he had right until
the final weeks of his life. And we're going to
end with you. It's a great time of year. This
isn't it's time to dust off the Panama July Meeting
bound and Super Saturday, which we always get very angry about.
I always like to get angry about Super Saturday.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Graceful, awful, dreadful. It's just a great time of year,
I thought, GC. I love those game notes, just summed
it up perfect. If you're a sports fan, I mean,
oh my goodness, the next few weeks, you know, I'm
listening to Billy while trying to keep up to date
with the Lions and the Test match and then Wimbedling ongoing,
and for racing.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
It's bubbling along nicely. This for that season, it really is.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
And yeah, we roll from the Eclipse into the July
Meeting next week, which is always fabulous, and then Good
which should be spectacular, and then the jug Mont itself.
When you look at that, oh my word, if you
get those overseas raiders, so yeah, I love it. What
if you're a sports fan and you can't enjoy this, then.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Open a Twitter account.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
We haven't touched on.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
I don't miss Twitter one iota. Honestly, my life is
so much better without. I missed the whole current situation completely.
I had no idea, just looked like a really nice
day to me.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
We haven't mentioned a Haydock at the weekend, but I
don't know how good she is a strange but she
looked really good when she went at Haydock the other week.
And she's been mentioned as a possible arc Philly by
David Ormara who doesn't get carried away. And there's a
red hot old Newton Cup as well this weekend. Mount
Atlas could be an interesting player in that. So no,
(48:55):
if you take your time to step back, I mean
I I've lost the last couple of weeks and not
played very well and lost fortunes.
Speaker 4 (49:04):
But I've lost, but.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
I still am able to get a lot of joy
from this sport. And the moment I don't is the
moment I'll I'll give it away. But there's some tremendous
characters around, and there's some tremendous rating around.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
And that's not We're not papering over the fact that
the sport's problems, absolutely not. And you know, you know
that this is going to blow up whatever Lord Allen decides,
it's gonna it's gonna blow up.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
But but there's also a lot of joy to be
had as well.
Speaker 8 (49:32):
I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Yeah, and when I go to Ireland, it's completely separate
from crowd issues and prize money in Whirlpool, and it's
here as well, But I really feel it in Ireland.
It's with Kevin prendergast Weld all those there's a there's
a reverence for the sport there that is absolutely fantastic.
It's here in patches, but in Ireland you know that
(49:53):
it's for all that the crowds are struggling a bit,
that there is still an enormous amount of color and
and joy about horse racing. So Aiden's Dr Pangloss was
the guy who said everything for the best in the
best of all possible worlds Now, Aidan's the face of
the franchise now with no Frankie around, and it was
(50:14):
somewhat orchestrated at the weekend.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
It was somewhat choreographed. But I think I'd rather side
with Aiden than some of the naysayers myself. So now
let's to look forward.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
To one's Billy slots out that bus to Dublin for
in his good Hands Day, in his good Hands love
the way to finish the podcast on a positive Now
thanks to Scoop to add to GC and to Billy,
and here's hoping that Saturday's gone. The CLIPS lives up
to Bay.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
If it turns out that there is an actual free
bus from Dublin to the current blame doesn't fall on me, Beth,
that's a terrible job.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
By then we will hang them out to lie on
social we will, We'll take responsibility, but yeah, we will
do research for actors a bus and let you know
when we're back. Thank you very much for listening, and
I hope you enjoy a CLIPS day at Sandowt.
Speaker 5 (51:05):
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