Horse Racing Podcast: Cheltenham Festival Special

The Cheltenham Festival is almost here! In part one, Dave Ord is joined by Patrick Mullins, Ed Chamberlin, Graham Cunningham and David Johnson to discuss the big talking points. Matt Brocklebank and Billy Nash join the party for part two as the team pick out some bets.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Sporting Life.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well welcome along to the Sporting Live Racing podcast. Looking
head to the Childen Festival less than a week away.
Now doing so in the company of Patrick Mullins, At Chamberley,
Greh Cunningham, David Johnson. There is a part two coming
where with a joy by Matt Brocklebank and Billy Nash.
Part one had looked through the big yards, the big chances,
the big talking points. We've got to sell a Nick Anderson, Jason,
you've canceled your campaign against the statue being built at

(00:28):
Chelbourne suspended, suspended.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I've got another campaign now, it's a slightly different one.
Ed Chamberlain, you've been banging on about this constitution Hill
forever that he's the poster boy of the festival. Gallapang
would like a word by the way, and I wonder
why is he constantly going on about this source And
I realized bafter two years ago you got the bathter

(00:51):
when constitution of Hill wonder chamber helps user you're clinging on.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
But well.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
For NICKI after the build the statue ory but the
holes of last year touch water this vod We're not
in our office. It's genuine what it's been a plain
now we've lost the geno, but in terms of it
this time round it's been plintailing its ending.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
They in Gunnck Touchwood absolutely deserves a change of luck,
not just the geno but others as well.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
And he was the missing ingredient last year.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
A lot of people say, well, why was that first
couple of days just that little bit flatter and it
didn't quite feel like Shelton and a big ingredient that
that was no Hendo and his horse is missing and
he's a vital ingredient in Constitution Hill. This is no
offense to Galapan kalapuand is a wonderful horse. And you
know what Iland thinks when you saw the reception you
got at Epistown, but in this country you see Galupan
once a year.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
The public of taking Constitution Hill to their hearts. He's
had the setbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
The public do love Endo, even though all the sometimes
the criticism he gets. Within racing, there's one trainer who
cannot get from the steppings to the paddock because you
get stopped everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
And that's Nicky Henderson. The public have taken to him.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
They've taken the Constitution Hill and he is the most
important horse next week for ICV, for the sport.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
If he wins that Champion Hurdle, we're rocking around.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
There's a simple question, though, what do you think Patrick?
Is he as good as he used to be? What
do you think.

Speaker 7 (02:17):
The toys oice him? This year? He hasn't been as
good as he used to be, But that's not to
say that he can't be as good as used to be.
But from our point of view, there's hope that he's not,
because if he is, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You rode in that Skybay Supreme Patrick, which is monster
time fon figure came for riding. Did it feel different?
Did it feel?

Speaker 7 (02:35):
It was just phenomenal. I mean it's one of the
most memories I've ridden in now. The ground that they
were particularly quick, remember that menty rain didn't come. They
probably hadn't watered and it ended up being loosed the
next day. But we jumped out. We had dice of
Dinald who with a runaway John Bone. I was decided
they weren't going to give him any rope and him
with them and they went just flatter. Matt I was
on kill. Crutch Jack Kenny was a mighty Potter, I

(02:57):
think and half on the back straight were twenty links behind.
But I'm thinking I could winness because they can't keep
going so faurs. We almost catch on one and could
quarters along with my John one. I think we got
people are two links. Of course, needs got faster. I
mean it's just the most jaw dropping performance I ever
saw on a race course. Anyway, David, what.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
What do the numbers say?

Speaker 8 (03:17):
But the time?

Speaker 3 (03:18):
For example, how far as Constitution will be below his
absolute peak this season?

Speaker 9 (03:23):
Yeah, I think at Kempton he was run into somewhere
in the one sixties, so that's about a stone. Billow
is very best. And then I mean he's a long
way below that in the the International, but that's not
to say he couldn't have obviously run a lot higher
if he'd needed to move.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
The word to the real get back to that level,
don't you?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I do.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Yeah, I love that you put on's the time for race?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
After episode that was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I mean, oh yes, I thought it was really unbeliever GC.
And the reason I'm a believer is because at Newberry,
the day is at Newbery, you know, so you know,
you know, I think he's an aeroplane and the Costution
hill that day was fat he was. And you saw
him in the paddock at Kempson on the twenty sixth
of December and he was still early. Really even I

(04:10):
could tell, and all the horsed look he's after the
same Patrick even I could tell. And the other day
I only watched it on Telly obviously at at Kensey
he looked like he looked like a machine again, he
really did. And I've seen him work a couple of times.
He looks like the old Constitution hill. And I'd always
say anti power epics on if you get a Mayor
getting seven pounds in a normal champion hurdle.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
They are deadly.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
They're absolutely deadly. And lost his mouth for brighter day's ahead.
In a normal year getting seven pounds would almost be unstoppable.
But there's nothing normal about this guy.

Speaker 6 (04:38):
If you think he's the boss he used to be,
you're having a maximum.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
But I think he's a certainty, really yeah, I do.
I think he's going to be a backup a price
as well.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Just to be clear that is watered as well, that
he is drinking more right to day's ahead.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I mean, I've always been a believe with constitution Hill,
I don't fancy Price to days ahead.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
I know Ruby does, but to me, I find that
performance a lepis down.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
There's something I know it was.

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Wow, it's something like I almost don't believe it.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
State that didn't turn up that day.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
And Johnny Mercer always said to me, good horses or
great horses find a way to win.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Why does she not win? A very recent Mayor's novice heard, I.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
Know the pace was muddling, but horses win races like
that there.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
And she couldn't beat Golden Egg This a little pace batal.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
My view on those two Stateman and Bright to Day's
Ahead is why isn't the Morgiana a reasonably.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
Good reflection of where they are? And State Man hadn't
had a run before that race. Holy, well, yeah, we came.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
Out of the Morgan, I think, and we get her
next time, and I thought, so we we felt we
remember your coat, haven't aged the chicken? Well yeah, so
I never stopped doing that though, I said, it's good.
I said, but yeah, like we thought we got the front,
we blew up and she had a run. She went
to a gallop, and now, of course she said she
set the race up differently. The next day she got
the pacemaker, so that you know she probably improved statement

(05:53):
didn't turn up and so I don't think we learned
anything at Christmas. But if she runs some time I
heard with her pacemaker, it make it fantastic viewing because
just from the world go, it's going to be on
the knife edge and I wouldn't fancy sitting mind the
piece maker. You fairly you missed one or two down
the back of the episode in Christmas, so it'll be

(06:14):
be could set up for conscious It was a strong
allipus suiting.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Really well, David, you have got that set up. You
look at the monster timefe figure that took him to
the Custard Nightmarse. It was that sky by Sapree that
he won, that he hit that number. This set up
in the Champion Hurdle with King of Kingsfield broad Today's
head taken over attacking early, it's the same sett up
with Red Is.

Speaker 9 (06:30):
That's a free it is and I think that's why
the race is so good to look forward to, because
you've got two horses that are both from big figures
and they're going to get the setup to allow them
to do it. Again, So there shouldn't be any excuses,
any hiding place for either of them, as long as
they get there fit and well, we're gonna find that
which one really is the best?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Now, guc thing Graver, according to Edkins, start putting on
the Henderson Statue of constitutionals your champion hurdle win it,
Canny Stage and John Bone on his list of champion
chairs with this different I hope, so.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
I hope so that the top grade one horses, the
one forget the price. The one I'd really like to
see when is John Bond because I think his his
CV deserves it. He missed last year because of the
problems with Henderson's yard. He would have been second favorite,
probably behind ol Fabiolo last year. But he's just never

(07:20):
been better than he is right now. And this is
the key question here. Some people think he's not particularly
a Cheldham or so I can't buy that. I'm not
mad about the price, but this looks to be his
year and I don't believe that he is unable to
get up that shelb.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
So why is his records ht them so poor? Jockey?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I think Nicko has transformed him. Nick is Nicko ridden
in any of those defeats. He's one two out of
five of Sheldenham.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
And I mean you could have forgiven the Supreme because
he went to try and follow conscition Hill and he's
obviously not quite as good as conscition them, was.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
He in the article.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
He's just got that aberration in the You're still talk
well beaten here. You still talk to Anthony, and you
still talk to Anthony about John Bond. He's the one
horse that he'd love to ride again. And he will
say to you that Nicko's transformed, and he talks about them.
You'd know much more about this than me. The bit
being hard up in the mouth, in the mouth making
his mind up for him, forceful, And that's not Aiden

(08:21):
Coleman or James Bowen's fault.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
They were finding out about.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
The horses, much more mature, easier horse now. But Niko's
so important for him, being so positive on him, and
they don't see Cheldham as a problem.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
I could see that with the straw orbs he didn't jump,
but I just don't the actually go beat friends square.
I don't remember any job.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I remember.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I remember being stood next to Anthony during that and
him going no no each fence taking him back being
positive on him interest and that's not the JP way
in many ways, and that those were early days in
his career. But watching the article, I remember my pundit
being very frustrated.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
If he's gonna be a bit of a lot bar
which horse can I'd love?

Speaker 1 (08:55):
And this is where Skybett deserves enormous credit and Patrick,
I'm sure you're appreciative of this as well. It's going
to be a very emotive staff for meeting with the
minicipplause for Michael O'Sullivan, brilliant touch for Skybeck to rename
the Supreme.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
And if there's one horse I'd love to run well,
Marine national in the chase.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
And I think he will on that ground.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
We bescun to the ground with you because it's not
going to be the ground that we often associate your
yard with. It's going to be decent ground and Marine
Nationale does float on it, and I think he's going
to run a big reuse.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
I think does he jump? Does he jump? Well? Be
it's doubt.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
I'm not sure it's good enough to be John Bone anyway.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
I'm massively in a John Bond camp.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
But Patrick, the soul less have to blaze next Wednesday
if he's to show his best at Charlon.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
Yeah, I think it's it's you know, we're about doing
it at Christmas. He doubled down at at d RF
and Danny actually went faster in the first half three.
I think those Marine National obviously closed the gap. But
he's got again like the time I heard it. He's
going to make it very interesting but probably helps John Bond.
He probably sets it up and.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
I'll be very positive on John Bond. Yeah, they'll be
very positive. They won't let him get too far ahead.
That's the show.

Speaker 9 (10:00):
I think the setup will really suit Marine Nationally. I
guess obviously, Solemness, you'd be pretty sure he's going to
go out there and force it. And like you say,
John Bond, the way that you get the best out
of him, he's being right up there. He's not going
to take him on, but he's going to sit quite
post to.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Him, isn't he Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And your gang Ruby says the River seven would have
to be diverted for Nurgamine to make it Awesomeess and
Gaelic Warrior.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
Want well, and I would see on the ground is
I find when there's a constant dry forecast. That means
they can water probally and actually what you get is
perfectly nice ground. When you get quick ground, which is
what happened to day conscious Hill won. The supreme is
when there's rained you it doesn't come. They have water.
So when it's constant dry, the water approperly and it's
actually perfectly safe ground, which it is always gonna be

(10:44):
good to Staft and Gentlement. I only see its been
quick because there's drove forecastine it's very rare.

Speaker 9 (10:48):
On the first day it will be quick, will it.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
We's go around the table then. If not John Bond,
who I think me and David would both think Marine National.

Speaker 9 (10:54):
Yet Yeah, I think the way that the race is
going to be running really settled for him to put
in a career.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Risto remember this day last year? Jeez, he was the
cats in Guinness. I was I was depressing.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Laugh that's what was he.

Speaker 7 (11:04):
Talking about cats in Guineas.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, that was before John Boone was withdrawn and before
Al Fabiolo decided as well.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Been.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
You know that there is randomness, isn't that there's there's
real randomness?

Speaker 7 (11:17):
David?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
If not John, they saw us, I think I ride
the big list part. I think we've written him off
on the picts of everything in ignorant, which is not compared,
but I think they're it's one don and so on
the jump him up, he gets jumping. I get it
a Leopard style with Patrin.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Visit that with do they have to ride him in
lane eight so to speak, which is what he's done
at Leopards Down.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
It's a lot like the sound grounding. It's not the
theory that does that.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
The yeah there does. There does seem to be a
slight preference to being wide in Lepsund, but they probably
do have to be wide on him.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Yeah, John Ball after stand they didn't.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
The different race though there might be seconds and I'm
not sure that's equable because that was very heavy ground
and he nearly felt at the first right hand so
he's out of so to me that he's raised over
the first So I don't think that line forum is
is fair.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
But if not, Jo, I think John Bond to be
Marie National will be for me. I hope John bon was.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
He's another big one for the week and I've I've
done a sort of sporting analogy for our I t
V audience if you like, of the greats that haven't
won on the biggest stage of the lot. And I've
got Stephen Gerrard didn't win the Premier League, Dan Marino
and Josh Allen haven't won a super Bowl, A Sapa
pal never won one hundred meters.

Speaker 7 (12:20):
I need more.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
I need more grades than never won, who never won Wimbledon? Lendell?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah, hey, t shirts, what's your what's your who's your winner?

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Well? If not John Bond reading, anything's on less? I
just think we National doesn't quite quick enough. Unfortunately, the
ground is going to be too good for.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Quick lying for Nick Henderson, Milamba, you cashed out, You've
catched out?

Speaker 7 (12:45):
You Lambe.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're saying got no chance?

Speaker 7 (12:47):
Is that what?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Sorry?

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Because she's got no chance, Lamba.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
That's why chef, let's give me so painful, I say
professional as the presenter at my heart will go. It's
a good race. It's a good race. I think for once,
the brids are quite strong in this apartment, in the
in the Triumph. I know there's a lot of love
for East India Dock, but I just think lu Lamber
might just have that extra special ingredient I think could
be very very good.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
The Henderson Baggs. I don't think you're paying politics, Jase
that playe who costs a lot of money at the
stop saying there'sn't anything between the two and he hasn't
had a beck for years, or get you back play
if he was having a bet. I will get the
same sort of su genovars around La Lamber coming something.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
Can they know exactly what he is at the moment?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Only had two runs, one in France and an impressive
success under a penalty, I'd ask you, I'm absolutely convinced
that he's a pretty good horse, but I think there's
one better in the race in East India Dock. And
I like the fact that East India Dock has his
battle hardened from flat and jumps now, whereas La Lamba's
still an immature horse in terms of race experiment.

Speaker 9 (13:47):
David, Yeah, I mean, when you look at what the
yard have done in the triumph down the years, you
can't help but respect his position given that they obviously
think he's up there with the kind of best horses
that had. But I mean I'm obviously mostly involved in
the flat. Siding with him in the Tria fix like
siding with a maiden winner in the Derby over the
Dante winner and you might get it right every now

(14:08):
and again, but long term you just won't, will you.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
What about for Ladia, he's a high quality of horse
on the flat and yes for sure, and Darby wasn't
he here, so he had to work pretty hard to
win at hunting, and so it's it's a big, big
step forward for him to make.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, exactly the vibes I get. There's no comparison betwe
the two yeah we.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Got and the Irish juveniles. Patrick Gavin's also the best
of them on the Lord Argist So helenab on the
Avid so far, where do you think that's gonna start up?

Speaker 10 (14:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Look that the juvenile is over here. There hasn't been
only clear any clear best and you would have said
he stopped the race at the last art le say
hell Oniahbor, it looks like he's going to go away
and win well and he hasn't quite He's just kind
of fell over the line and Lips does have an
incline on it, but not quite like settling them, especially
on the new course. So that would be a worry
for me. For Head a neighbor for me, I'm not

(14:57):
sure we have I think the British definitely has.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Usual, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
We've been waiting for a really good juvenile to to
spring up from Ireland and it's not happened yet.

Speaker 7 (15:04):
No, and we've had We've had plenty, plenty of ball
it's fired, but they look maybe just below top class.
And we have a few first horses in there, Pons
Papano Lars that could be very good. He was second
to one a horse won for skeletons afterwards. But again,
if you believe Southern Mondy last year, we're going straight
to triumph. It is a very big ass.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Could get a point to East India Dock on day one.
If Stencil, the horse who finished second to East India
Dock on trial's day, if he runs well or wins
the re read Winter, which is a very long new title, now,
then that's.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
Going to be a big point at the moment.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Who do you think we're go o favorite East India Dock.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think it's just and Anderson's had a good way.

Speaker 9 (15:44):
Yeah, it's hard to say with that knowing what's happen Tuesday,
Wennescy Thursday, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I think that we're going to talk Willie mullins, I
forget all the mulliins Tapele's have a gap in the
shoan a third goal cut. Willie says that would be
the pitty goal of his training career. How much you're
looking forward to.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Sure, our whole season orbit's around this this race. You
know that a shuldwar cupler is the ultimate is what
we grew up talking about, Tom Draper papt half Arcle.
Ireland's had two of them called Drake in the forties,
Arkle in the sixties. I mean that's back in white TV.
That's the Beatles, that's you know, World War Two. It's
you know, it's been a long time since we've had one,

(16:21):
and you guys have had best Mate, but we didn't.
We didn't have it. So uh, it's it's the biggest
moment of Willie's career. I would say Album volt obviously
had his shot and just come up short. But I
think we're probably going with more confidence this time.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Is a different horse album fl I mean, Racy say
he's a better horse in Album Volts.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
So do you think he is?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
He all USA IT talents under the conditions he could
face Galapan.

Speaker 7 (16:44):
Yeah, Look, I think it's verthatile versatility is is proving
he's wonder. He's one soft ground, go ground, he can
make it. He can sit last. But he's so professional
now Paul can ryan whatever he wants. You know, the
first year we have to drop him in to get
him settle, where now he just bounces out and he
ends up in front graze. He ends up four to
fifth and one strong out of grational. He said. As
he jumps, he doesn't have to be ridden one way,
and that's from a jockey's point of view. It makes

(17:05):
your life a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
He masklave on time for on ratings don't but is
his servation and watch and hopefully savor.

Speaker 7 (17:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (17:13):
I think he's unopposable really, and you just he has
that fear factor with other jockeys and horses, doesn't he.
Like you say about his versatility, how do you beat him?
Because if you try and sit upside him, you just
know he's going to our gallop it and gallop you.
But then if you drop behind him, you're giving him
a head start. And he's just unbeatable as far as
I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
A challeman, he's got so much in his favor, mainly
because of his own world class ability, versatility. He's jumping.
Last couple of stance has been tremendous. But also it's
a couple who aren't there as well. Great Awnings not there.
Jerry Colombe is injured, ill Fronce is probably also, so

(17:55):
he is the shortest priced favorite.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
I wouldn't take Gambridge very seriously, of course. I mean
he's unexposed at the trip. I mean it's it's not
he could be better at three miles than three miles too.
He wasn't stopping at the end of a fast run
three miles because he's one of two miles quarters. So
I want to two miles, and so I wouldn't just
say it's a gimme either.

Speaker 8 (18:15):
Know.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I love the history angle Patrick touched on. It just
doesn't happen very often. I was out walking the dog
the other day and thinking, I'm not working on Friday.
Shall I go to Chelmham Patch trains heaving crowds of you?
And then this thought hit me from nowhere, mate, you
might never see another triple go and Cup winner. I
didn't see our call. My dad used to rave about him.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
I did see best me and I don't want to
miss this one and.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Then that's what strikes me. And you're now conscious used
to all the place, all of upd if he reclaims
his title and your lock up. And I was at
the day there and I know it's home ground for
gathering the shop. I've never seen the reception for eight
source like that. Afterwards, I think charlting will he walked, Yeah, well.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
Course it will.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
It'd be fantastic.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
And that's when you read all this stuff about people
going to better Dolm all this time.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
I mean, good luck, good luck and enjoy it. But
nothing beat there.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
He's a spectacle, isn't He's black shadow always lies, and
he's an athlete rather than the powerhouse battery.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
I mean someone of the jomps. He's put in the
second last, the second last, the d F and the
last at Christmas, I mean, and the second last the jonderuck.
I'd always started doing it, but it's just you don't
see what wors to do that.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, yeah, there are gonna be two.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I was there moments this year, and one is Constitution
Hill A few wants championed. The other's gallopap witnessing history incredible.
My point is he doesn't quite have the following in
this country. That constitution Hill's got because our audience season
once a year in the Gold Cup.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
But he's brilliant.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
It's just getting more interesting with the ground trying up
Bambridge in the race.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It could still have a twist, I know the way
you're thinking could come into the equation or I thought
a man really I catching race of Leffstown and I
still sense with your dad, you read between the lines
of it. I think factor file if it's up so
your dad would run in the Gold Cup. I think
he should run in the Gold Cup. And it's such
a shame if he doesn't run in the Gold Cup.
But that's going to be JP's call. But I wouldn't
rule it out. I wouldn't rule it out.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
I wouldn't it crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Is the thing that with a tiny bit of luck
he'd be going for a fifth festival winning a row,
wouldn't he because he win the mass in pipe.

Speaker 7 (20:05):
But there you go, and a bit of luck and
straight seagulls.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yea all the end of the spectrum. Pat Patrick, the
Michael O's Sullivan Supreme obviously big the ball odds on
now going in big, big impression. The damn I have
a whole shume now, really, well, is he the real little?

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Look? We think he's the real little. I mean, look,
did he think he'd win a dear f? Yes? Did
he think he'd put in the performance he did? I
mean you couldn't foresee that. He obviously won first amount
last year and blew us away there. He'd had in
a great preparation and we kind of thought he might
blow up and he destroyed a very good field. He
was keen and didn't jump at Christmas. A few more

(20:42):
novices didn't jump very well at Christmas, and we don't
really know what that was about. But obviously he took
much better the next day, but was still quite keen.
So the little the list worries he's going off three runs.
He's quite raw still. You know, we might we might
put a hold on him, possibly, But the big the
question mark for me is whether the occasion gets tone.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know, so what so what what are your actions there?
Because the left how barely saw him was he was
gone down to post. He's going to come into that,
there's going to be the applause to Michael. The place
is going to be crackling early. What do you do
from pre parade into the paddock. What are your options?

Speaker 7 (21:15):
Well, look, yeah, you have ear plugs, are a hood
and you just block out the noise because he didn
get quite hot in Lepards, don you know, just take
the sheets off and he got quite off. But it's funny,
there are two ways of pulling. A horse can pull
and be panicking and they don't breed and they finished.
Whereas the way he was pulling with Paul, he's just
being a bit numb and he's not actually affecting his breathing,

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and obviously he was stillble to finished the race very strongly,
So you're hoping that he just he doesn't panic, he
just is a bit numb. But obviously Romokulo is going
to need a strong gallop, so that should help us.
They shouldn' dawdle because they can. Somebody say the streams
all rounds very strong. It's not always sometimes it's especially
lately with me a small fields rubies dominate from the
front few times. But I think a strong gallop. But

(21:56):
for me, it's gonna be the five minutes before the
race is going to gosportant back.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
For him, we're going to have to watch that very closely.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Three horses from Ireland that he hasn't met me for
work Ahead, William Money, Romeo Coulil, So they represent different
stans of former David one fifty four large p time form.
If he replicates that performance, he's going to be extremely
hard to be comicable.

Speaker 9 (22:19):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (22:20):
The kind of form that he's already run to is
good enough to win what you call a typical supreme
and now this might be a slightly better one, but yeah,
I think you know that that race of the DRF.
He's got such a good list of past winners that
have gone on to success at the Festival, hasn't it,
And he's got a lot going for I'm attracted to

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work Ahead.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
He's another one who could go forward.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
And it's hard for me to back a horse in
a Grade one who's won a maiden hurdle, but he
jumps superbly Patrick.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
And the form of a seven year old wines supreme.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
I wouldn't hold that against him, but.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's it's just you want a price if you're going
from a maiden herd to a great one. But that
form has worked out spectacularly, Hony.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
It is that that made been heard is traditionally very
strong that's that's Steven's Day and Lefferstown. But it's it's
a brave quarter from Henry to the goal straight there.
But Henry gets selling them right more off than not,
so it has to take him very seriously. But I
U say it's an unknown rather than a and just
think of.

Speaker 9 (23:18):
The step forward that Copector board took second a first
start to second.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I think Copector buddles drift on the day. I think
I think his bookies starting a fresh they'll be able
to get him. They don't mind Skybett, don't mind our
favorite winning there. If you watch twenty seven races to
get it back and I think if he does get
warm and on his toes, he'll drift again.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
He could be very backable.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
No one would be surprised if W. P. Mullins won
the Supreme. No one would be surprised if it's the
son of no risk at all. Step forward in Salbertomande,
what are you making here?

Speaker 7 (23:48):
Look, we've never hidden our admiration from me. He works
very well ice school during the week, he jumped very well.
He was in the kura on shoesday, worked brilliantly as always.
He's you know, but he he obviously been the child
was trying to last year ranking jumps pretty good, but
the Moscot flyers, his skybite, muscle flyer. You know, it

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wasn't what you wanted to see really, I mean the
ability was there or his racing efficiency was was not
fantastic in terms of natural ability.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Is the most between the two at that do you
think that bolt coming on.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
The slightly different? So it's hard. The Savona Monday is
a board of energy, so he's always you're sitting against
him in the work and when you just let let
go of your your fingers, he just flies, whereas Copek
at home that's quite relaxed, so he's just you know,
you need to give him squez or a click. So
they're hard. They haven't worked together, but there are different
types of work courses. Savurna Monday is just there the
minuture he asked him, whereas this Copec is much more

(24:45):
relaxed at home, a bit different than his racis And
from the stupid question but is the Robritish shows with
any sort of a chance in that race?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
No, that's the shirt tip.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
A fly on the.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
He trials, doesn't he and he's got a bit of spade.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
But I don't know have been his struggle.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, I think with the pressbook, cup scoreboard, I don't
think we'll be having more.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Now.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Listen, we'll talk about poignancy.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Will you money in the same colors as Marine National
Michael Sullivan that host two years ago and he really
clicked last time Patrick didn't.

Speaker 6 (25:14):
He he'd been sketchy and he's jumping. But last time
that he was impressive.

Speaker 7 (25:18):
He was but in a five runner race, a small
field race, and he's a difficult ride and again a
bit like he's don't I'm not sure. No. If Barry
says a strong gallop and they drop him in very
hard to come, drop in and the stream and whin,
I think it's going to be difficult for him. He's
I don't really rate the race he won the last time,
and he just looked a very difficult ride. In big

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field races, his bump or form wouldn't quite put him where.
I think some of ours are.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
Romeo work ahead. Kopeck is going to be quite fire
early on this thing.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
It's a proper cracker, isn't he turners final demand at
the minute seventy thirty, that's what we call him. Gott
You could just work on with you the winter and
all the day. We spoke to Willie for the column
on the twenty seven little bit and you get and
you could sense it was an ext sagon. He thought
this was it. And then but what he did at

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the day we were expecting that that.

Speaker 7 (26:16):
Sort of level of performance in that again we thought
he'd win. But the win like he did was you
can't really foresee that the two six races is probably
usually a slightly weaker race in the two mile.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
And but the whole of final Man is unlike Ovic,
he's so professional.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
You know, he settles, he loves, he pops, and again
from a docophant of view, he's just he's the easier
ride of the two and he can't I know the
two five. Sometimes the two five race can actually be
turned into more of a sprint in the supreme they
can often hacken it. And den Man got beat and
you ordness and but I mean he can later running
as well. So I you know, I don't think he

(26:51):
needs to go three miles. It's not I think he does. Yes, this,
I think he's got plenty of class. Mean he's out
of Zuska, who's a mayor. I actually won on her
a leperstone and she was she had plenty of speed,
And it goes back to it goes back to gay
brief and gay chance doesn't that so it's a fast pedider.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Is he as big as he looks on screen? Because
he looks a real.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
Unit he is. He's a big He's thought he'd maybe
not quite as as as round as Copek, but the
two of them are and game instant. The treat him
if you if you put them you know that's what
you're trying to buy. That type of horse, did you
lie in?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Is the danger? JP's barty you can say why. I
bet it's amazing can on the market and it likes
at ass Back to anyway, Yes.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I think the spring Ground might suit him. And I
haven't seen a nob sadler with his accurate technique. He's
like he's like a cat. He's very precocious in that department.
And I'm struggling to split these two, to be honest,
I think while the man might have the slightly high
time form rating, and there was a bit of Denman

(27:57):
about the way he rolled around the bend at Leopards
Down with Hisatrick said Denman's ten to eleven in this
race and run to Nick and Or on the day,
so even the major stards can get beag in it.

Speaker 9 (28:07):
Yeah, I think Final Demands form is stronger. And I
mean we say every year, don't we have bad a
trial for this race. The shallow tends to be and
it doesn't look anything out of the ordinary. But visually
he couldn't have done anymore, could he? And like you say,
the speedy showed there. You would think that spring ground
would really suit it.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
You can easily see it a scenario with Final Demanded
rolling off that bend in front and Harry Skelton on
the new line.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'm sorry to wish him. I think I think the
new lines are certain to Yes, there's a certain thing.
I think he's one of the best of the week.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I thinks dethitely what I think I think in this race,
which is.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
The way I see it pastially?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Sure that's water.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
The way I see it is final is a gold
cup holes down the track. He's a gorgeous big and
on soft ground, heavy ground, I think this would be
very different. But on spring ground got a horse here
he's won a greade one. I noticed that you want
on the bridle you don't win great ones on the
bridle like he did. I think you got a future
gold Cup horse against a future champion hurdle horse and

(29:05):
two and a half in the terms. I know which
one I'd want to be with.

Speaker 7 (29:08):
Just think.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
I think Final Demand is a beautiful horse for the future.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
I think we'll see you in gold cups.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
I think the New Line could.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
I think he's that good with.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
A few maximum beds lined up Alreadyware we're only on
the star day two.

Speaker 7 (29:17):
I don't think it.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Change is a both some OLIDI yeah, she's.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
A big rivan and they are really fancy the New
Line and.

Speaker 9 (29:24):
Felt Patrick.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
Have you got any likely springers behind final the Man
for that race? Any any of that ones?

Speaker 7 (29:32):
A couple entered in in in Bold and a couple
of made and hurdle horses, and that's a completely unexposed
like so Kiss will obviously one very well in fairy House,
which uness and Funicolai Fnikolai is a beautiful horse. He's
the cliche oil painting different than the other three I
was talking about. He's much slimmer and much more French
than the others. But you know again, he won seventy

(29:54):
next and Clammel. We don't really know how good he is,
but they're probably overpriced for to each way play anyway.

Speaker 9 (30:01):
Yeah, good right, that's the advice. And thinking about a
lot of these races coming different ground to what some
of these horses have been running on all winter. There's
going to be a few lookers that are going to
improve fifteen to twenty twenty five pounds for these different conditions,
aren't they. And it's not easy to pick them out yet,
but it's worth having a good look at him.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's a bad question, but your novices on average would
have had perhaps one fewer run than normal going into
this year.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
I think we were slightly slower getting going. This year
was very dry autumn and we were a bit slower
getting going. But I think the order really gets the
less the less you feel as he has to run them.
You know, he's just he's just happy to keep them
at home and keep them training and keeping them shiny.
So after chatting them as well, isn't they that's yeah,
and that's it's not the Chile them, isn't the Cup final?

(30:46):
Because you've got Perry has punch zone entry and our toy,
so you do have to leave a little bit up
your sleeve. It's not like it's the end of the season.
You know there is more to go. But just on
they made heard of ours the memorized in thousand and seven.
I think my friend were in Cheltenham and my friend
asked with a horse good one a maide and heard
us and he says, yeah, you know I like Azion

(31:08):
or the back of them. I says, no, I don't
even always taking over here would be d here and
so you know it's not it's not completely new thing.
WILLI has done it and and it was only one
three to one day.

Speaker 6 (31:17):
Be probably related point. This could be apocryphal.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Has there ever been an incident when a horse has
gone over in the battalion who wasn't even entered in
a race?

Speaker 6 (31:27):
Because I heard one year of the horse brought up
and they got him in the stable and said, well,
I'm he brought this.

Speaker 7 (31:32):
One and he's already very possibly it's definitely happened that
ones has been left behind and he brought up brought
over a late a late notice where yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Does sound very will part of the call to announcewer
we've got the producer flapping about the cut size. Well,
We're gonna a few quick questions for you. You're you're
in the office on the Sunday fall channel with his
office's ride on marge Borough or Ballyburn. Which one is
taking your handle fall?

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Oh, bally burned. Personally, I've ridden him and I just
school school during the week as well, and uh, I
mean really learning for me.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
But yeah, the bumper there was a point where it
wasn't clear after the day if I bet you were thinking,
O good as well, where's my bumpla quin?

Speaker 11 (32:13):
From?

Speaker 7 (32:13):
Then?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Two off the caps off the land. Did you know
they were coming in? Which way you leaning at the moment?

Speaker 7 (32:18):
No, we didn't. He didn't were coming because Copper Cabana
was is a big brute of a horse, but he's
a store horse, so he's been in the yard all season.
And but I remember riding his first for the work
and thinking this is gonna be this is gonna take
a lot of work. But every week he's improved, improved
and improved. It wasn't a mistake to send in the
lab and I wanted to send an album because it's

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had a long galloping track. I said, you know, punchdown
quite tight. You turn in two fums run downhill. I
didn't want to go to punch down with him. And
but if you keep watching me in now and every
time I get sapping the shoulder, he's just coming back
and brightly keeps finding you know. So he's a horse
that's improving. And what I love about him his temperment.
He only does the bare minimum and that race. It's
so important that horses settles horse in that race day

(33:01):
of a lifetime to sit in secret and other horses
and the races over time you pass them in bost
the first time game. Vinch is different because he won
his point of point November, only came to the yards
in late November December, so he's not in the yard
full winter. And I a'most sure we've had a bump
when we've done that or a shelling winner. Maybe doesn't

(33:21):
mean it can't be done, but it is unusual. And
we like to give a horse of plenty of time.
You know, Gordon gets out a bit quicker. We like
to give horses time to you're coming into a tun
horse yard. It's like going to a school. You know,
you want to pick up a little bugs. You're gonna
get sick, you're gonna get a snotty nose. And then
when we did a game, Vince's he doesn't look fantastic
and if he's on his arm po zone but like
he didn't look nasty. But it bloods a ride with

(33:43):
scope and clean he's eating. And then we worked them
and we said we want to get this fell out
before the before the before the cutoff date. So look,
he he won twenty days before the chap bumper because
of only won twenty two days in punch down the
same bumper because made an extra day. The bump got
blown back at the day that year, and Fernie Hollow

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obviously did in eighteen or nineteen days or heat ran
twice in a year. So my only war gamage is
it's it's an unusual preparation to come to the yard
halfwa through the season and have a quick run, quick backup.
But so no, they weren't immediately obviously, either of them.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
What's about Aqua Force You recruit went by a mile
f last time.

Speaker 7 (34:23):
Out Ackle Force? Yeah, landing in the yard, look again,
I I mean maybe it's just shot to nothing to
run her. She's coming from a five or six horse
yard into two hundred horse yard and then back her up.
We wouldn't dream of doing it ordinarily. Maybe you take
your chance because it's Sheltenham. I think it's a very
big ask of a Philly to to chop and change.
I know Sir Gerhard did it, but he came from

(34:45):
Gordon Elled's turn of horse yard to hour two and
the horse yard and he did it. But even later
the two weeks, I just I just think we're not
going to train her essentially, you know, we've got her
for three weeks or something, so you're not gonna have to,
you know, take hours. She's not gonna rock up and
run like a bonestars. She might need to run like
wily monitors. But I don't think we're going to improve
her in three weeks. So that's a big ask.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
If you have a chance of a big run on
days one and two, what would it.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
Be for me if I could choose? You want to
ride to be final the man because he's he's so
easy to write. It's just that's that makes as a jockey,
that makes her life so difficult. With Copek, I think
he's I think he'll win, but there is not going
to be that five minutes for getting down to the
start where you're just going to be and maybe he'll
be fine, you know, because you know maybe he's he'll
be experience. Yeah, but it is a question mark.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
If Willie offered your state him, how I lost your mouth?
Which would you join bit the champion?

Speaker 7 (35:35):
I take either? Take Warren happy? You take either?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
He also see mouth paint. Since that fault, because we'll
we talked about it at the time, how you'd get
it ready for channel? Is she schooled? Since have you
you've been played with.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
Bc Nebrosroys all the times said she can know it
feel better than you've been into the race. Extraordinary, you know,
because it was a horbor fall. But she she wasn't stiff,
she wasn't sore. So she's schooled this week and she
did sorry Paul, Paul schooler and was very happen her. Yeah,
when was that Monday? Tuesday? Some four hurdles not a
bot runner. So she is fine. I mean again, she's

(36:09):
had two chance against big boys. She could beat by
conscious Neil and she fell against statement. For me, the
Mayor's hurdle is kind of there.

Speaker 8 (36:17):
But.

Speaker 9 (36:20):
Well, two horses to be in the Champion with no
horses to.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
Be well three horses statement, yeah, and at home. At
home statement is the better horse. That doesn't always equate
to the track.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
But you're selling the seed of the mess.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Hurdle up wasn't already either.

Speaker 7 (36:38):
Know. Did you win a champion hurdle after getting a four?
I don't think you do.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Let's I mean between friends Patrick, if you had to
sit on a horse called Copek the media home, I
think it's Doggi's all. I think I'll be the shomp
in the build up this year.

Speaker 7 (36:49):
No, I haven't. I know you guys think. I'm not sure.
I don't think I think you should have to run.
I don't think you can run off a French American.
I think it's not fair on the handicapper. I don't
think it's impossible to to do. And then the factors
in Ireland and England's a different mark. I mean, I
don't I'm not sure the rulers are right there. But
WILLI would vehmently disagree with me, But.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
I came across the quote.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
You know, the perceived wisdom is that the handicapper just
has to double times of rain rate to Kailo Green
North Bradford, Elvis in a piece said not necessarily so,
Head of Handicapping BHA, Dominic Gardner Hill wrote in a
BHA blog after a furori following the opening handicap mark
give them to stablemate or castle them up.

Speaker 6 (37:30):
We remember him. He hasn't won a race yet.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
He said that the BHA does have discretion in powers
to stray from the standard conversion two palm for every
kilo allotted by the French handicapper in certain situations where appropriate.
So not for the first time in the BHA.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
It seems like the left hand doesn't know what the
Ryans do.

Speaker 7 (37:51):
But look, David Warrior got beat doing it and cast
the marker beat, so it doesn't mean that he's he's
fired in Look, he works very well. Do we think
he's better than his mark? We do, but it is
obviously very hard to go to their first time up
and win a race like that. O Petty did it? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I was I think I saw that it was
a true from thirteen if done it at the festival
or something. But look, he works well. But you know,

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do you think he's better his mark?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yes, but you ask if you felt a massive week
he's going to go six to the bye, doesn't it
file the vesterboy. We we're Gonulda. Let you go your
own night. How's about looking at which one of you
your Montucky follow this stuff?

Speaker 7 (38:29):
Look, I'll ride one of the Gelling's the bump where
I can't have ban been a fever and she will
come into it. But I want to see literally Monday morning.
I want to see them in the middle of the
track and see are they melting or the cool camera relax.
I think avand will be cool, came relax and game
misges probably will be as well. But you don't know.
I've definitely seen horses on the Monday morning at the top.
But you you're You're going to be very difficult tomorrow.
On Wednesday, I think I get on transmission and astroal

(38:51):
chase as James did he appeal.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
I think it could be Thursday. I think sorry if.

Speaker 12 (38:58):
He yeah, I think if if James's man with a
green ride for someone zuber raid Yeah, got a great
spin off him meant that the American ship would really
suit him and the Kimure.

Speaker 7 (39:10):
Possibly sam a jest and he could go national as well.
If he goes there, one or two order pastors or
in that second hard strings in from the.

Speaker 6 (39:20):
Poor races your second the third strings a bitter than
most people.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, thank you to Patrick and to they're going to
be whisked away replaced a Part two I will be
about very short Billy and Matt bock a luck. We'll
welcome back to part two as promised. The cast has changed,
Billy in Ash and Matt bockle Bank replacing Ed Chamberlain
and Patrick Modes. They din't quite got the most the
first part of that to go, but we're sticking with
the other guys. We're gonna talk Gordon earlier now. Jes

(39:46):
see another the Irish Superpowers. Watch your overriding feeling of
his team this time round.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
I think it's strong.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
But the overriding point I'd like to make is Gordon's
now king of the layaway Brigade. He is very, very
willing to put a horse away at Christmas or thereabouts
and not run again until Chillenham. Jerry Colombie is injured,
of course, right to Day's Ahead hasn't run since Christmas.
Tea Poo hasn't run since was it November or thereabouts?

(40:14):
Wod strong fancy for one of the handicaps.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
I think the Wallpark Romeo.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Cooley or the Yellow Player has run this year, but
it was the fifth of January, so it still counts
as a break. Galvin fancied for the cross country chase,
hasn't run for a long while and Calypso chance one
is listed bumper and hasn't been seen I think since November,
so that patience has to be rewarded because the owners
have been leaving a few quid on the bar in

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the last few months now.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
The owners the old Airs have been talked into or
talked around, if you believe it, into undying brighted days
ahead in the Unibeck Champion hurd'll be they were you surprised?
Is it the back move?

Speaker 6 (40:50):
Little of surprise? Yeah, especially with the forecast the word
it is.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
I thought when the girl was drawing out that maybe
they would stick to twenty eight and runner in the
Mayor's Hoddle. Whether it's the light or not, I suppose
time will tell. But to be honest, I yes she
has the lease. I can't see her winning it, even
with King of Kingsfield in it. Obviously we know what
they're gonna do. Kingsfield will will try and set it
up farther, but he'll probably just set it up for constitution.

(41:14):
He'll be honest. Brighter days Ahead has one piece of
form which suggests she's a Champion hurdle mayor, and that's
the very subspect piece of form in my opinion. I look,
I'm still thinking of for getting beaten in the Mayors
of Nobs last year. I'm not sure she's improved enough
to win the Champion hurdle this year, so she has
to the lease, but.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
I don't think you will.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Really can you make sense of the difference in price
between Brighton days Ahead and state Man, because the Morgiana
Hurdle suggests that there's really not much between those two.

Speaker 8 (41:43):
Very much thinking on the same lines as usually see,
I think state Man is too big in the market
of eight is at the moment, I think he'd have
beaten her on the Margiana to the lines with his
runningt Christmas. No, we're not gonna We're not sure he's
as good at heart as he was last year, but
at those prices I'd be willing to take a chance again.

Speaker 9 (41:58):
I disagree with you, but if I really like days
Ahead and I think what she did at Christmas, I
think you massively underestimated her, to be honest, time figure
wise it was off the scale as well. She obviously
gets the seven pound. You can see why they've decided
to change the mind, because they're never going to have
a better chance to win it.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I think David's touched on instry points. I think we'll
hear a lot of people suggesting that spring Ground might
not be ideal for Bride. Today's ahead she ran three
forty five.

Speaker 9 (42:24):
It was good, granted a Christmas three minutes forty.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Five around leopards Down, winning by thirty lengths. So as
slightly concerned about her jumping technique, it's still a bit
guessy at times.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
But I cannot have that spring Ground will be a
major problem for her.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
But you've got the Cassie valve. But you can make
it too too. It's too one of the minute far while.

Speaker 11 (42:41):
We write in't butright it has ahead, I would be
against the day. Yet it was freakish. It was speakishly good.
You've got to admit that it was a bit freakish.
It was leopards Down. I think back at Sheltenham Constitution
Hill is very much the horse to beat. She's a
bit too short for me. I'm with you, guys, I
don't see anything else bridge in the gap, so I'm
not It's not like drawn to set a man to

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vacuum each way.

Speaker 7 (43:04):
I think Constitution Hill.

Speaker 11 (43:05):
If he drifts again, he's going to get fort to
fied maybe, do you think is that the sort of price? Definitely,
And I think there'll be plenty of people willing to
say that I'd be I'd be a big backer even
when he I.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Stuck at someone that Elliott Well, this tapability in the
stay as I'll be chasis. But the tuckaway to I
mean we've only seen him once in the jogging alongside
Moss him mouth a bit the happens, guys, we well, I.

Speaker 8 (43:28):
Certainly wouldn't be backing in at the place years at
the moment that from that is one of the reasons
why not we haven't seen him since that happens great,
which obviously they did last year as well.

Speaker 6 (43:36):
It worked as well for them, But.

Speaker 8 (43:39):
He was you know, there's only an okay one being
leading by losty Mouth. Yes, the race didn't suit him,
but at the same time, you know, I thought you
won a week series word of last year and his
record on Quickish ground isn't great now.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
He didn't mean his Bunster Stone last year.

Speaker 8 (43:54):
But when you look at the horses he beat to
win that series, Ordle of Punster doone, he beat Esterian
for Launch and you know he won of these horses.
Like I said, it wasn't a strong division last year.
It's possibly a little bit stronger this year. At least
he'll have a different opposition. He'll have the likes the
look he placed Rockies Diamond, a couple more hopefully the Wallpark.
Whether he'll turn up or not, I don't buy the

(44:14):
Lee an old rival an old rival again. I'd much
prefer to see so Off grown for him. I think
he's a bit of a mother dark. I think like
he's a proper stayer. If it was three and a half,
minds set of a great chance, But I just at
the prices I couldn't have to go, but I'd be
happy to take them.

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Okay, do you think Gordon will run the Wallpark against him?
And if he does, is he a possible danger?

Speaker 7 (44:34):
I hope he does.

Speaker 8 (44:36):
I think he definitely deserves to take his chance in
the race, and if he was in any other yard,
I think that's the race they run him in. But
he's Garden and JP sofully surprised. If he turns up
from the per Times final.

Speaker 11 (44:45):
His phone from the potential qualified that he one has
worked out particularly well. I think it must be really
waging U whether to have a cracket the Great Woman him,
because obviously JPM Man, who, let's be honest, is key
when it comes to a lot of these races we're
talking about. Certainly in the handicaps, the wall Pats gonna
have top waight, and if he runs in the final
the handicap, I think he did enough for Ascott staying

(45:08):
on that day eye catching run on a track that
possibly didn't so it didn't quite have the race runs.
So I think, personally looking at that, if e mine,
i'd have seen that he's banging the mix in a
stage hurdle. If he was seen him once this season
and he was below Park, can you back him?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I was on.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
If you were the owner though, of the Wallpark JP
or Frank Berry, you'd be saying to Gordon is he
in the same league as Tearpoo? Could he give you?
You'd have to ask that question, wouldn't you.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
But I do think Drowan grown wouldn't suit the wallar
won suit to Hupo would like the Wallparker was doing
his winning during the summer lest year.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
Who wont to the ranks?

Speaker 9 (45:43):
Yeah, I think with tearpoo, isn't it you look at?
I mean, we're not sure of the short priced favorites
there this week. There's going to be a fair few
that have got more in the favor than what he has,
isn't there?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
So I would think so the Wallpark's got admittedly at
a lower level, but he's got a powerful finish, hasn't he?

Speaker 10 (45:59):
Really?

Speaker 11 (46:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
He says, really, Well, it's that time we heard you.
Who are your phone buzzers with the whispers the buzzers
that are coming out and all of a sudden, lucky
place is one that's simmling away on the forecast ground,
the Henderson, the vibes coming out of there right now,
we'll giving him a bigger chance, and that the market suggested.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
Yeah, he's up in class.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
He's only rated in the one fifties, but that puts
him in the top four and he seems to be progressing.
And he was giving Gower Road six pounds in the
real keel, so he should definitely confirm that.

Speaker 6 (46:29):
For is this not a character thing as well.

Speaker 7 (46:31):
Do you know what I think?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Because look at the making that there's raised.

Speaker 11 (46:33):
It's four of rogues, absolute characters, horses that are failed chasers,
horses that run like this one day and down here
and go look at this lucky place. He's solid, Henderson's
spoken about and so fondly. He knows he's going to
turn up nose, He's going to show up. And they
weren't willing to risk him over in the cliff hurdles,
just stepping him up to three mile. They're perfectly happy

(46:54):
to get it a go. And de boy and girls
said he reckons. He'll say that was enough for Nicky
and he's put him away through it. I think he's
a he's a place contender, isn't he? But again, is
he one that really likes you fire?

Speaker 7 (47:04):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
I forget the market for him. And it's a massive
down with this sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
When you see a Tapo running once before the festival
last year and again this time. If that is seen
to succeed, we're only going to get more of him
a grade.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
That's why we've gone this yellow clay billy a bet player.
We're thinking, ah, but ball, are we we we're not
quite sure where I.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Said it all year.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
I hope it's the Albert partlets and I think with
the drawing ground they might be swayed that right now.

Speaker 7 (47:31):
Interestingly I was.

Speaker 8 (47:32):
I saw Jack Indian interviewed at lepers Do one on
Monday and he was trying to tell us all that
this is his heart.

Speaker 7 (47:38):
Was really quick.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
He has loads of gears.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
Person, I haven't seen it on the track. He looks
at a proper stayer to me. He nearly got caught
out in a tactically run race that Navin, but stayed
on really well.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
And again they went quite hardly.

Speaker 8 (47:51):
Thought in the lawls of Nails on softish ground and
he ground it out. He stayed really well. So I'd
love to see him go three months for the Albert Partial.
I think he'd take a lot of eating in that.
I think he'd be vulnerable in the turners on on
goodish ground.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
If if, if you have done about one gold noss
at the festival this.

Speaker 8 (48:06):
Year, I'm gon giving you bigger price. I'm out there too,
but I'm gonna give you one of the big price
that I think will run well in the fred winter
Horse called wind Rock. I think his farmers really solid.

Speaker 6 (48:18):
He was tow to totally look first of them out.

Speaker 8 (48:20):
He beat galile O Dame may be a bit lucky,
but he's still Christmas and ran much better than finishing
position suggests at the DRF. I think of all the
Irish horses and the Fred Winter, he's possibly the best treated.
He certainly looked on a fair mark and Gardener's got
a great record in this race. So sixteen to one
each way. I'll be on him on.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
That Red Winter subject. I was having a look at
the Irish Challenge and the time for marks. I think
the lads at time Form are after going to do
a bit of creative accounting in order for those horses
not to look badly handicapped on the race card.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (48:52):
They've well Cromos all going to six or seven, haven't.
I think he's two three in the race.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
The BHA have used their discretionary powers.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
Think of some of those as to mention and Suchually not,
I thought it was a normous chase, an interesting one
a young horse kickings down horse who.

Speaker 11 (49:12):
Is a working progress I think, but interesting how it's
run behind load of Sword obviously this season. And then
he was second to him as well last time I happened.
Now his form, I'm really hoping that off a mark
one hundred and fifty one, he's going to run in
the ground annual hopefully, and that's obviously on the Wednesday.
If those two have obviously you know, fought out the
finish at an arcle, which looks highly likely on the

(49:34):
on the day one, then his one could look really good.
He's a double kicker price for the grand.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
I mentioned two Gordon horses. One's a guest because the
bumper is so full of unknown quantities. But Calypso Chance
looked a really promising horse before Christmas.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
I like his head carriage. He looks like he wants it.
But the one I think she's got a load of
ones against the name.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
But I'm sure that Wdoo is still potentially well treated.
I don't know whether it be Corald Cup or Martin Pipe,
but her sheltering form from before Christmas has worked.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
Out really strongly.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Chatting to Matty Avista Bally and the cap that was
the second horse and give me a head of corpack
to me was the first. He said he just times
that by two. So we do with the way that
form's working out. He could have done anything. He didn't
know how I he could have gone. So, yeah, really interesting.
David Yovolin on brit Today's had I yeah pretty much. Yeah,
just don't believe GC. We're going to start Dan Skelton. Now,

(50:26):
one thing that strikes we've touched upon in part one,
did you lie? This is a potentially huge horse fame.
If we talked about Henderson, you talk about John Bond,
you talk about the owners, it's the Donald's, it's JP
who giving in the A listers. JP's bought this, it's
stayed with Dan. This is potentially his route to the tap.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, he's had a couple of other JP horses before,
but none with this sort of potential.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
And did Dan Skelton have did he have four winners
the last year's festival? He certainly had a rive and yeah, yeah,
so he had a tremendous.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Week and he's going there really strong again. And we
touched on the new line in the previous conversation. He
jumps like a cat, but load of Seward also is
a very good jumper. And I think I'm in a
minority in thinking that he can give Madgeborough a ride
shake in the article nothing against Madge.

Speaker 6 (51:11):
Borough is a formidable young talent.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
But you'll see tons of previews in the next few
days and the last few days where people say I
can't possibly oppose him. The very few of those people
are going to have a seven hundred to win four
or even the seventy to win forty. There's a difference
between saying he's a star and saying I'm going to
take seven to four on in a Shelton.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Grade one nobbage chase.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
And I think lord of has got the form, the
jumping technique and the fact that he seasoned that I
would have.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Those two appreciably closer in the market. So I think
the Skeletons might have a decent birthday.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
But he's back with a previously as well. Langa Dan
lift up by the Guinness Village is the final three
that we're clinging to with Langa Dan looks like this day.
As for him, we've got to protective out back in
the line now as well.

Speaker 11 (51:53):
Yeah, and unexpected to Beck as well within the last year.
And yeah, in the Grand Daniel, I have just thought
about another friend. Suppose that it rains then he's going
to come into It's only five or six pounds higher
than last year. Protects right, he's a good he's a
good chance he gets here a proper player in the
in the Ryan Air Chase. I do like him when
he gets his own way a level bit. I know

(52:15):
he didn't lead completely from flying four last year in
the Rhyan Air Chase, but he was up there. He's
going to have some pace burners up with him. Yeah,
the likes of you Le France within this this season.
I was just wondering if he might. I think it's
a strong range. I think it's a better Ryan Air Chase.
But yeah, hopefully another good season, another good festival for them. Skelton,
I do think he might, you know, steal his title's

(52:38):
first of many six or eight, six or eight titles
to a row over there.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
That's contract, all that that's in, that's in the Cippins.
David one to stop James Owen quickly. We're talked about
East India. Doc. He's got all the well, it's the
fire looks like he's when you look at the British trainers.
We're talking. We're talking Henderson, we're talking Scales and he's
talking Nickels. You're looking for the next cubs off the vants,
how Devin bubbling away? Oh we might be on that
sort of trajectory as well in a few years time.

Speaker 9 (53:02):
Yeah, he certainly looks that way, doesn't he. I think
certainly a couple of years ago he was training hunter
chasers and he's just sort of really coming through the ranks.
He's getting plenty of support from the Gresleys, isn't He's
I think he's training Ambi anti friendly as well now,
isn't he? And Yeah, I think what East India Doc
has done, he's a better horse than what bird It
Road was this time last year. And the standard that

(53:25):
he sets in the Triumph is there for them all
to have to go and come come up to the
level that he's already got to.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
I think can I interject and ask the two blocks opposite,
can we have a little Cromwell segment? Because Gavin Cromwell
has a has a pretty impotent team for next week,
isn't he?

Speaker 8 (53:41):
He has a really strong team with things? Yeah? I
think that who bulls the questions? So they could he
win all the handicaps?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Well, this is a bit you know with the altar
for sure, because that happened much.

Speaker 7 (53:57):
You've got Malina girls.

Speaker 11 (53:58):
She's one at the cars before, hasn't she earlier last
season and then was going to probably follow up when
she took that ever before. Anyway, she had a much
quieter season this time around and back on a reasonable match.
She finished second exter just for the week in the
Mayor's Race and has chase that she finished seconding as
well last year. She's got a chance. I actually liked
one of his in the Thread Winter at a bigger price.

(54:20):
I know he's got two. One's fairly well fancied. One's
twenty five to one.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
Robbie's rock. He ran it goalway. I thought that was a.

Speaker 11 (54:26):
He's such a great educational track, isn't it goalway when
it comes to running them in handicaps? And then he
won educational and then he was older established for uses
in a normal handicap as A as A, as A
as a youngster, and then last time out of the
race was a smaller field he ran. How would Olive
Bell say? He ran it back to fronts? You know,

(54:48):
he was a bit too keen and the front runners
just got away from him and he didn't have much
that but I think you can scrap that run.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
He's got a big chance at twenty five.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Clip this up for won it backfires on me. But
billy juvenile hurdlers in Island have looked a pretty playing bunch.
Hello Neighbor for Cromwell is yeah, just about.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
The best, just a boat.

Speaker 8 (55:06):
Yeah, like you said, they're kind of much of much
of us. From what we've seen, Alo Neighbor is the
best of them. And he's a hard half of your
handle on because you want to one the flat and
two over hurdles and not very far on any occasion.
He just looks like a half that does enough. So
he might improve. But it's a saying on the Cromwell
team he has. He has a very strong team. Know

(55:27):
the Earl has been well toped for the National mun chase.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
You you said he shouldn't make it. The mad didn't better.
You're right.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
That it was majoring but not by me.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Did really great too last year about the seventeen, Yes
he did.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Deep grand seems handy film have stumped down Vanillia or both.

Speaker 8 (55:45):
In the cross chase for Cromwell neither Actually. I think
Eldon the cross country series, I think he should be
favored for sometimes obviously has a great chance, but I
think he's very high in the waist arts. I do
like for the Week that I think will win is
six and a half in the Mayors and Nollice. I
think she's very It's a good flat horse and really impressive.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Is there any truth in the rumor that I'm starting
the Gavin Cromwell has asked Paul Carbury to come out
of retirement and place my mate Mozzy's head in front
in the Grand Annual three inches from the Lamb.

Speaker 11 (56:15):
Might get his brand in that race, hasn't it as well?
Okay from the rs that was impressive in the Dan.

Speaker 8 (56:21):
And Jomore Yes and Memorial Midnight it is who if
he hadn't known at Leperstome would be nearly favorite. And
he was actually coughing at Leperstome, so at about twenty
to one.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
You could do he's going to snag a winner.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
It'd be surprised if you don't.

Speaker 11 (56:34):
Joseph good Week potentially for Joseph Obriant just via that race.
Hello neighbor, he's got a juvenile Philly Galileo Dain. She
could potentially run in the notnres Noggus because she could
Dollilla Brians have.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
Been she was just behind Hello neighboring the Grade one.

Speaker 11 (56:52):
She was second to Hamish on the flat I believe
in in the autumn, and not many of them would
be to do that. In terms of rock gosh, she
was ready ninety odd on the plot.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Banbridge relief for Joseph.

Speaker 8 (57:02):
Don't think he'll I think three two three two were
Shelter is vastly removed from three miles of Campton and
three miles of Kington is perfect forum flat track and
they went really quick. Leaders are coming back to him.
It's going to be a different story at Shelton Gallop
and might go quick, but he won't be coming back.
And I don't think the Panders will go up the hill.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Sho go back to Commell. I was amazed by a
start picked up on one of my many media tips
at the festival. Check out the festival last year he
trained well winners Chalm then any other trainer for the
rest of the season taking out the festival, they had
more winners of ChIL than anybody in to come.

Speaker 11 (57:35):
A clever plot for the Irish trainers to come over
earlier in the season show the hand a little bit
even winner race. He just means that the British handicappers
have them on a mark and then when it comes
around to the festival waits lunch they were unable.

Speaker 7 (57:50):
To ship them up.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
You're didn't working toward the.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
Local is the speculator?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Is there any chance that I know the way you're
thinking Will suddenly launched his way back into the Gold
Cup picture on well Saturday or Sunday with a supplementary entry.

Speaker 8 (58:05):
There was no he was going to run up on
the grand natural juries and you know so I can't
if he did well, would you think he finishing a cut?
If you have clear plastics, it's going to be a
small view to go.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
Will be that many in.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
Us really, after putting it, I was amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
If they did run him in defeat out of the question, Joe,
wasn't it that one gonna go around the table? Time
are going to be just what's the thing GC most?
So you fault at the first what's going.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
To be the enormous amount of things. I'd love to
see Sean Bowen Rider winner. I just I think his
talents deserve it. Eighty colour on day one would be
a great slot for him, but nothing too much behind you.
I don't know why I'd love to see John Bond
win the championships because he's been a you know, a
byword for consistency, any number of things with all sorts

(58:57):
of random element elements. Sneaking self, I'd like to I
think from a punter's point of view, you love to
get off. I'm a good front runner as a punch,
and I'm not really good trying to trying to get
it back if if I don't start well, So hopefully
day one, Lord of Students Stencil.

Speaker 6 (59:14):
Would get me rock in the rolling David, I think
I know.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Where this is going.

Speaker 9 (59:17):
Yeah, it's it's the pusderfall shut up for the champion hurdle,
isn't it. We just want to see him both there
and no excuses for either.

Speaker 11 (59:25):
Matt Well fighting saw it from Dare I like it's
come out, come out, swinging.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
To under Nichols skills, enjoying this off for two episodes of.

Speaker 11 (59:36):
Yeah Nichols Now. In general themes, I think it's going
to be a good week for French officers. There aren't
many coming, but there are four or five with real chances.
I like Issuo Madrick in the cross country. He's going
to be out of the handicap but he's a fascinating
house with a bit of backglass obviously, and one is him.
There are others as well. David Cosson's got another couple

(59:59):
cries the handicap winners day. That's what we get when
we've got a fair ground. I hate these shout of
festivals where it comes up heavy. You go on check
and you've got about six horses that can win the
rest count and you think what am I doing? Am
I going to take a massive price about horse that
hates the ground? Or am I going to say under
the rs We're going to have fair markets fair ground.

(01:00:19):
It's going to some big price winners in the handicaps,
and think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Well, for me, it's final demand returning in trying from
the Albert Bar. It's Paul Nichols walking alongside Coldwell Potter
Miss Billy. I won't even Billy's end it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I just just well, before we go to Billy, that's
give me an idea and new cup, a Waterloo Cup
for Britain against France first of all, one that we
might just snag.

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
She's so that gold tweet. He's in various entries. Is
he going to turn up because.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Lark doesn't it doesn't keep come upon in thevation posts
that's a shame ovation post on one shoes with the
Brits and for the wash We're it, Billy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
You can win the water Look Cup, but what else
are you look at? What's what's going to be the
billion ash headline?

Speaker 8 (01:01:05):
As a child, well, I really want to see Gallup
and the Champoint Poor Gold Cup because I think, as
I've said before, I think he's already deserves to be considered.

Speaker 6 (01:01:16):
In all kinds of grace.

Speaker 8 (01:01:16):
But if you need to win it at fird Shelton
Gold Cup to be considered that by the wide republic,
and so I hope that happens.

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
Shelton for me is all.

Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
About, you know, a really good Irish one taking on
a really good British one and hopefully we'll get the
final demand beat the new line mashup in the Turners
there was going to be Sergino versus Magic Brillain and
one or two waters of the falling by the wayside,
But I'd love to see final Demand in the new
line go head to head.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
In the Turners, would you go under or over? Seventeen
and a half Irish winners out of twenty eight races.

Speaker 8 (01:01:48):
If you'd ask to be about three weeks ago, I
might have gone under those The conference is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah, final question. I've got fifty of the kings pounds
of a pocket. You've got to back a British office
at the first billion. Now where is it going? That's
destrution Hill, My dear lill get it on the board
for the water little cup and the cup time has
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and Mat and best of luck looking for to what

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should have got underway now.

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