Horse Racing Podcast: The Finale

In the last of our weekly racing podcasts the team look ahead to the finale of the jumps season at Sandown and pick out their moments of the jumps season

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Sporting Life.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well we'd belong to the Sporting Life Racing podcast. David
Aunt joined by Ed Chamberlain, Bill in Ash, Devid Johnson
and Graham Cunningham. As you will know from the back,
Dot not in his usual haunt but in Hong Kong.
I need to say the start. This is the last
About weekly podcast. It's a different style. We're doing for
the flat season, a series of bigger than previews and podcasts.

(00:25):
So we're not going to be disappearing. We just want
me back next week as well. We build it up
to tell you we'll be back for the Derby, the
Bedford Abbey Fastival, ad EPSOM and all the big meetings
beyond there. So let's sign off in style. Let's sign
off with a lot back at the Craven meeting and
the sign off with a very simple question to you,
Ed Chamberlain, did we see the Betford two thousand guineas

(00:45):
winner in Field of Gold?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And the response is a little bit on the fence.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh so we might well have done our role with
Jason Weaver on this Audie. Jason was marking about Field
of Gold before the race. He came into the paddock
and he went ooh, because Field of Gold was fat
and we used him. If you're watching the coverage, we
used him to explain the fitness of a horse and
the belly on him and so on and so forth.

(01:11):
So I think you can guarantee from that he's going
to take a giant stride forward. The form of the race,
I would slightly question the price. I don't particularly like,
but the Golsons have got rocking and rolling early delighted
for Kieran Schumarch a couple of days he had. That's
huge for him and he's definitely possible.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
David, I'm looking at the time on ratings and he's
top of the shop. Now, isn't he going into that classic?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, and it's no wonder that we're having to shell
these podcasts when I'll try and shed some light. Yes,
Field of Gold is very much towards the head of
the ratings now for the time from view rating of
one hundred and twenty one p so would have a

(02:00):
little bit of improvements still to find to win a
typical Guineas, but the way that he came through and
won that race, you'd hope that there is a little
bit there, and particularly given what edg was saying there
about what he may have to work on, and I
quite like the solidity of the form Wimbledon Hawk And
he danced plenty of dances in good races in group
company last year, didn't he Maybe the mile on quickening

(02:22):
ground is a little bit short of what his optimum
will be this year. But field of Gold beating him comfortably,
I think it's exactly what you would want in a crave.
And you know it is a trial. It shows that
he's taken the step forward and yeah, what was he
about nine to four? Now you're not going to get
riched back in him, but he's definitely the one to
be looking at what we know at this moment in time.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
So he had touched upon it. The Kill and Schumach
angle this time last year. Beginning to the pelt are
beginning to be delivered, they continue to build the Midsummer
great to see that it's got some ammnition to go
to work with and be a real intended to He
was to win that first Gosden Senior at first two
thousand gives.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Yeah, we'll get him again down the track. The Schumach
and that's the joke said that we're you know we're
going away from this format, and it chased out of
town by the bar stewards and did tell. But that's
how it goes these days. I really like the performance.
I thought it was really smooth and when the gap

(03:25):
finally came, he put it to bed right quickly. Now
the price is gone. There was you know, round about
double the current price available straight after that race. And
I will make a point I quote Graham North in
his face maps piece Bradford Elvis. Of course the eight
winners since half the last Graven winner who went on

(03:45):
to win the Guineas, who went by at least as
far as field of gold. Was it three in a
bit lengths something like that? Yeah, the eight tried their
luck in the Guineas and only three managed to make
the first three. But the rating is key here. As
David touched on one one eight, that looks a very
solid rating based on air Orris City and Wimbledon HAWKEI

(04:08):
they seem to run their races and they were put
away in style and one one eight is a very
strong passport thought for running really well. And it's don't
forget king Man. Is this sireh king Man was all
the rates for the two thousand guineas six to four
I thing, and he got turned over by night of thunder,
a horse he demolished. I think in the Greenham a
couple of weeks before, but in isolation, the visual impression

(04:32):
was striking the field of gold. And whether it's Guinea's
day on or he has to be a group one cult,
I think, doesn't he?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Right now we've fall a victim. To cancel cult, I'm
gona have to come a week early. Give us a
three Irish arts that will finish in front of field
of gold.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
That's sure.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
There's three horses, three Irish ones that will finish in
front of many guineas. Dave to be honest, looking at
the Irish challenge. We spoke about Aiden's ones last week.
Joseph has a couple in there. The Luxas Scarty Champ
would be in interesting. But the really interesting Irish ones
I think are the Jessica Harlton horses.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
And yes, Billy, Yes, I would have thought.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
Hot as Hell was an ideal two thousand guineas horse,
but Jessica said in her media piece a couple of
weeks ago that she thinks Green Impact is the horse
for the race, and that to me is highly significant
because all I said was obviously a group woman or
last year he'd won a Barras for you one of
the futurity. He looks to have all ticks in all
the right boxes, I would have thought. And if Green
Impact they think is better than him at home and

(05:29):
must be working better than him at home to say
they're leaning towards new market with him sending hot as
hell to friends, well, I think that's a bit of
a tip in itself. And I think he's about thirty
three to one. I think that looks a massurprise about
Green Impact at the moment.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well, sure he's that big believe, but I agree with
all you've just said. And even if it's twenty of thereabouts,
if there's a horse in the market who has the
potential to shorten and shorten quite a bit, I think
it might be Green Impact. He's a tremendous looker and
significant that the trainer seems extra keen.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
I'm not certainly he'd win, but like he's certainly represents
theatery value.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Would think at the moment, there you go, but that
thought quite a good In the Wimbled and Hawkeye team,
it was straight to the damn t immediately after the Graven.
It's now the Ginns, the Dante and the Darby. Looks
like you're going to be campaign sporting a boy.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
The Gredleys, Yeah, and the Redley's are sporting full stop.
And I thought that was a bit of an overreaction
the difference between the two price wise. I know Five's
immediately afterwards was disappearing on field of goal, but Wimbledon
hawkye fifty and sixty six to one possibly a bit
of an overreaction, particularly when you think back as GC
just mentioned then to the Green and when Knight of

(06:40):
Thunder was beaten, convinced and then came around and turn
it around at Newmarket. So I think Wimbleden Hawkeye is
probably overpriced at that sort of mark. Though he's got
his work cut out to turn the full around. But
it's I think it was DJ said he would definitely
be better with a bit more cut in the ground.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Did it feel like the big time flat Racing was
back covering the Craven meeting for ITV. I know it's it.
It's not in a rock and rolled crowd. But the
horses speak of themselves, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yes, and no, yes, and no.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
I think that means no, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
It was pretty bleak GC pissed with Ray one day
and then blew a gale the neck, So.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
The party in there it was quite a contrast.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And the mornings were interesting seeing the desert flowers and
sure we talked about work in the morning.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Was interesting. But it'll go up a gear or two
guineas weekend.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
I think.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
One playing that David wouldn't need to go with gear.
That was Andrew Balding two hundred and eighty on horses
in training started the season like a house on five.
What's six of those have gone? I think it's down
to hundred and seventy four now split with katar Racing.
What what did you make of this start? I mean
they have been biggers over the years, but you're madically
not the biggest.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
No, that's and I mean it's not a new thing,
is it?

Speaker 6 (07:51):
Was?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
It a couple of years ago shape Muhammad a Bay
took seven horses away from Andrew Bowling in a similar situation.
Who claim that bolding was unlucky, Well, you know so, yes,
it happens. You know, these these rich and powerful owners
that are used to get in their own way. When
it doesn't happen, they do tend to throw the toys

(08:12):
out of the pramps and what doesn't it And I
think Bolding is in that kind of position now where
like you mentioned, he's got two hundred nexty odd horses
he can afford to Tata the likes of guitar racing. Well,
if that's how you feel, you can take them away.
But I think the significant wider point is when you
look at Qatar racing and how they've been a clear

(08:33):
downsizing of the British operation over the years and sort
of go back to their numbers. At their peaks sort
of twenty thirteen to twenty nineteen they were averaging about
thirty winners a year. That was down to sixteen and
twenty twenty one and fifteen and twenty twenty two, and
then last year they had only eight winners from four
to six and wow, you know when when you think

(08:56):
they were sort of ten twelve years ago they were
where now we see Ammo racing.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
You know, they were spending a million.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Pounds at the sales at the eve of Royal Ascot
to buy Coppella San Severo just before the coventry. But
now the horses that they are running, they're mostly homebreds,
and you know, we saw that obviously with the New Century.
He's a son of Kamaco and they're just not there
to compete in the way that they were. And we've

(09:23):
seen there's a wider issue as well with the sponsorship
cutbacks of kip COO. Obviously, I think this is the
first year since twenty ten that the two thousand and
one thousand Guineas aren't under their banner.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
They're pulling out of the King George and.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
I think KIPCOA committed to champions Day until twenty twenty six,
but that is a potential headache for British racing that
might not be too far away that they're going to
have to deal with.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Would you strike me as well? In Vans will continue
as retaining jockey for the jar Bason given that firepower,
the balding stable jobs of one that will make the champion,
isn't it. Chatuchu was aside right now in that part.
I don't know what she obviously worked the spot tonight.
I've got no inside track on that, but an interesting
one to follow. Billy inn ash I watched the Blue

(10:11):
Ribbon twirl at Newby yesterday. I saw Sea Scout win
for chrispher and I said, Derby winner. What did you say, Dave?

Speaker 6 (10:21):
I said, nice horse. He's in look big improvement. He's
up to I thinking time from raising, provisional time from
raiding one hundred and three, which is a long way
off what you're going to need to win a Derby.
He's to see the stars. He's certainly going the right way.
He beat Trinity College of Aiden O'Brien's, who is a
fairly solid yardstick. He'd already won to Raise this year.
He'd wanted Nason his reappearance. He'd finished second in the

(10:43):
Airfield Stags. I think it was towards the back end
of last year. He's rettedly about one hundred and three himself.
He's rock solid, but he's a long way down the
pecking order of bell.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
He dying.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
So Sea Scout has definitely gone the right direction, but
he is a long way to go to be considered
a realistic Derby contender on yesterday's performance.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Anyway, if you want to be, I want to watch
a video about how difficult some heart to find some
drinks to college would be an absolute CAZy im part
when they're hanging down the camp, but the entire length
of the straight Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
I don't think it's just Nepson. We think he's kind
of difficult anyway, you know, and he probably didn't probably
exactly a bit of that small but he's not the
most raight forward. But yeah, like I said, he's also
not the best horspendy that I have.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Now we'll look forward to those coming out your anchester
in the coming wakes, Ed, before we move on. That's
part of the guineas right now. What the guin is double.
The one thousand and two thousand gus is double. For
Ed Chamberlain, We've we've seen, We've seen the clothes of
all in place.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I'm looking for another inner shore and probably won't find
one looking at it at the price is now, I'll
go to the double. I'll go ruly caught in the
two thousands, and I love Lake Victoria. I think desert
flowers very very short. I do love Late Victoria. I
think she could be very special. It's a question of
whether she's going to be ready.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Has there been another update on her, because I'm very
keen on her, But it seems a bit of a
RACI in time still doesn't it It.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Does that has a bit up there, but that hasn't
been the medium is it's the first one in about
three weeks we haven't so.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Mar hasn't she there was twenty of six is knocking about,
but you won't get any bigger than fours currently. And
I think a few of creditor seven to two, so
that that seems a positive with regards to her chances.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Gee, you give us two of them on your radar
than for these these first.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Classics, say tentative Lake Victoria, I don't like backing non
runners and the other one. I think Billy might go
along with this, and I think in terms of a
horse who can run really well in the two thousand
and shortening price green impacts are also really liked last year.
I saw them at Leopardstown when he got the better
of a good scrap with Galacois, who police to form

(12:45):
to a fair extent. So to me, he needs to
find a bit, but physically he might just do that.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
Believe following in the two thousand, Yes, I don't think
green impact is probably each way each value at the moment,
even though I do think shadow of Light is a
massive price. I don't understand what he said to one.
The bulletins about him have been very positive, and he
was obviously a really good two year olds, so I
think he's a he's overpriced. The one thousand two horse
lays to me Desert Floor on Lake Victoria both unbeaten.

(13:17):
I agree with that. I'm a big fan of Lake Victoria.
But we're just you know, will she be ready on time?
If she is, she'll take a lot of beating.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Really, just wanted to ask you. I've just read Tom
Siegal's midweek piece in the Writing Post, and he is
of the opinion that, you know, the likes of Twain
and Expanded might be short of conditioning if they got
to New markt on Guiness they whereas Camille Pesaro and
Henri Matisse have both had a run and and maybe
they will be, you know, at least as strong for

(13:46):
Aiden on guineas day as that what's as he were
shorter in the market right now.

Speaker 6 (13:51):
I think the certainly the top process with Tony Matis
was he was going to go to France. Whether they've
changed their minds or not, I don't know. Camille Pissaro,
I think as well, was being considered for maybe the
Coral rather the new Market. But it's you know, these
things can change, and maybe there certainly would be you'd
imagine more forward than the lakes of Twain and Expanded,
So they may well turn up at new Market. If

(14:13):
they do on I Matis, I think we'll have a chance.
I think he's very talented. I think he's the better
of the two in my opinion. He obviously has his quirks,
but yeah, like I said, from from what I can gather,
the French Guineas was the planet only Matis, let's see
whether they change plans or not in the If they
do next week, then it's certainly negative against Twain and Expanded,

(14:33):
I would have thought.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
And it's going to be really lively in terms of
the betting prices for the balied old colts. Isn't it
that this ample scope for certain ones to shorten then
others to drift.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
I think, oh absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Last but not LEAs dj R two for the classics.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I wouldn't have a strong view on the two thousand,
so I don't think there's any points in me muddy
in the waters when GC billion ed have got fairly
strong views already, But I had back one in the
one thousand, and that was Duty First that won the
Newberry Trial. I thought that was a really good effort
on the clock. She was quicker than the cults in
the Green and slight concern when a silly or eat

(15:12):
a cult for that matter, when they run such a
good time first time whether a race like the Guineas
might come slightly too soon. But I thought twenty to
one was too big, and I think sixteen still is.
So Duty First is a bet for me in the
one thousand, Can I give you a horse from the meeting?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Please please please follow over cliffs.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
In the Alex Scott maybe we back to horse called
Nakiva Richard Hannad's that was very very well fancied and
a could Alpen horse called Indian Springs absolutely danced past him,
and I think could be very very good. So wherever
Indian Springs go, it could be could be the Guineas meeting,
It could be Comwealth Cup's jersey something.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I'd that, But Indian Springs is a horse.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
To follow, and whatever happens to this podcast, Indian Springs
is my horse to follow.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
You can imagine Indian Springs on the even ill from
strength to strength in the meantime, I'm quite sure. In
the meantime, of course, you will be at Sandown. You
were Sandown on Friday, hat and bucking the bet. Three
sixty five mile, I'm going to find vintage renew all
of this. You've got Tam Farmer gunting, Gemina Heart and
lead Artist. It's a proper race.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
I think there's a bet in the race as well.
Or it's a cracking couple of days to look forward to.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I always look forward to the Friday because previous years
there have been so many clues from the Classic Trial
and other races moving forward, and the Saturday has really
grown in recent years as a finale to the jump season.
So two really good days to look forward to. I
think Lead Artists is are bet in the race. Aldy,
I really do with the way that stable have started
the season really consistent last year when the horses weren't

(16:41):
running brilliantly, weren't they And in the race, I'm just
not sure how good that Dogster mile was. Tam Farner's
got to give away that group one penalty and she
don't think, reading between the lines from David Menutier that
she's going to be ready. French horse is interesting heart.
I'm surely going to need it. But there's a fascinating contender,
is it and the others look like they've got their
work cut out. I think the need artists could be
absolutely prime for this For the inform team. Four to

(17:03):
one I think is a big price it stops.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
It is an intriguing inyal, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
David?

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Absolutely yeah, plenty more strength and depth than what we
often have. Like you mentioned obviously Tam Farner in there
with the group one penalty, she probably is a little
bit vulnerable first time partem as well. He's on a
retrieval mission after having to miss the second half of
the season. But he looked so good in the first half,
didn't he In the Craven and Jersey, and really good

(17:32):
efforts in both Guineas.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
As well dancing Gemini.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
I was quite keen on after Doncaster, but it's one
of those where you look back on it and in
hindsight maybe it was more style than substance when you
see him having to pitch up against some of the
horses here. So yeah, lead artist is the one that
sets the standard on the time Form ratings didn't quite
have the gears over seven effort Donnie, but stepping up

(17:57):
in trips since then has seen him into know that
the real lead artist has been able to step forward.
So yeah, this is a real interesting race in terms
of taking us onto the lock in shirt next month.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
I think there's a good race. Can I quickly tell
you my anecdote from this meeting many moons ago? Yeah,
I'm gonna be careful what I say it because she's
lurking in the bathroom by better half, my first wife
as I call her. It was nineteen ninety two and
it was still a mixed meeting and there's a wibread

(18:30):
going on, and I think Christine had been to the
races before, and I took her to the paddock and
this horse walked past, and I promise you even a
first time race go up would have said, oh my lord,
it's called dear Doctor, a French shorts cash as Moussen
was riding it. That's how long ago we're going back?
And she's look at that. We got aback that one.

(18:51):
I quite fancied it. So I went to the tall
window and let's say it was number four. It's always
going to back it, say number. He named the number
and just as I got like one person from the front,
she said, but what about eight? And I said, that's
got no chance. And then I turned around. I was
at the front of the queue and the lady said,
what do you want, love, And it's like fifty pounds
win number eight please, as Mussen brought the Deeer Doctor

(19:14):
from last to first like an absolute good thing. I
think it was six to one, and we were on
the wrong horse, you know. I explained to Chris that
we were you know, this was a bad segment, you know,
and she said, don't worry. We'll just go to the
top window and explain that Chris, that is not how

(19:35):
it worked. We're getting nothing back from this slip. She
marched off, and you know a big tree at the
fire end of the She sat under this tree like
a seasoned punter and said, we've got to get this
money back. So she asked James willer Bey, who knew
absolutely nothing about the Red Gold Cup, and I think
this top theres a certainty put She back that and catched.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
It magnificent star.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
Since he's going loaded with dollars the Happy Valley tonight,
thinking might happen.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Before we leave Sandown. Fad A bit we need to
line on the classic trial and even run Swagman with Ryan.
Is this a side for others to.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
Come watch testing the water? I would say already Swagman
is the hearse that he scrambled home and the Maiden
at this last year Jack Cleary rode them one day.
The race hasn't worked out particularly well. He did run
very well in the Tyrelesticks. Next time out he put
it up to Hot as Hell finished second, but we
haven't seen him since. So he hasn't been out since July.
We really don't know what to expect from him. It

(20:45):
looks very much like I said that he's he's testing
the waters.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Certainly on time.

Speaker 6 (20:50):
From readings, wind Lord is the horse to beat.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
His burros were.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
The run was a very good effort, also behind Hot
as Hell, and you'd imagine if he turns up and
that sort of form, he'll.

Speaker 7 (20:58):
Be very difficult to beat.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
David Demesius, I'm quite sure that's how, not how you
pronounce it for John goals and One's race ontamed FRANKL.
Cole One on the Old Weather interested Aby Fairs.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Absolutely, obviously a fair bit to find on the phone,
but you will do when you've only won a souther
Novice on your only start compared to a few of
these that have had a few more runs and been
running in group company. They obviously had the disappointing favorite
in the Classic Trial of Steps and yesterday that Devil's Advocate.

(21:30):
But yeah, it's interesting that they're putting him in at
this this level. He's got a couple of interesting entries
and he you know, he's got the Race and the Dante.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
He's got the entry in the Derby as well.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
So this looks a stepping stone to see whether either
of those are the kind of races that is entitled
to be going for.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Was on Ireland Today's job biggest jumps race of the
year fact on Monday the Irish Grand National, yet another
pot headed back to Britain. Right, there's something like a
seventy percent right with Irish rights this jump season. I'm
not fact checked that, but it's something like that. How
am bavised to you for the national racing in Ireland

(22:12):
that we found it so easy to win Irish National?

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Off cuts off to eighty color, tremendous performances, great race
are a great training performance where Rebecca Curtis, she's handled
that horse tremendously well. I think it has. It shows
somewhat the difference between the way horses are handy captain
Ireland and the way handicap horses are handy captain in Britain.
Haiti Klore this season he went up three pounds for
finishing second he got beaten off a market I think

(22:37):
it was one hundred and twenty one on his reappearance
at Chepsto. Since then he went up five pounds for
his horse win, five pounds for a second win, six
pounds going the National un Chase. There is no way
he would have gone up in such small increments if
he'd been winning races like that. Over in Ireland they
are handy Caapper tends to put them up much bigger
chunks if they win races. Whether that's right or wrong,
I don't know. But fair playing Haiti Colore, he's gone

(23:00):
and won and did it well. I must say. When
I saw him down at the start, he was a
watch with sweat. I certainly wouldn't have fancied him at
that point, but at no point in the race would
you have been in any warrant reading because he looked
in control the whole way. But I've got to ask
you a question. Dave thought out to the panel, how

(23:20):
many British trainers have trained winners over jumps in Ireland
this season? And I'm sure you'll give them a massive
prize day if if the panel can name any or
all of them.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
Yes, Rebecca, there's just so many, so many, so many.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
I'm selling it five really right to you're.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah, we're under five, it's over three, but.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Under five it's far, it's far.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
The other two, Billy, no, I stand corrected.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Bus. We've already mentioned Rebecca Crtas and Harry Durham. Rebecca
Menzies had a couple of winners at Town Patrick and
Adrian Keatley had a winner at Call. Now that's a
you know, obviously wet on you have to come, but
that's a pretty poor returnable Dave.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
The something you need to rectify, Billy on Irish National Day.
But at was tremendous. I was watching late at night
here in Hong Kong, and you know when a horse
he jumps offence beautifully and you can see he's looking
for the next one right away, and he's and he's
just grinding horses and and making it hurt for them,
So that was terrific. Shoan bow In fantastic. I felt
for him that he didn't manage to ride that horse

(24:50):
at the Childman Festival because he's still chasing that elusive
but Billy, you need to get on this. In Irish racing,
I associate the Irish National finish with absolute chaos, with
fans all over the shot on the track, almost two
or three minimum police forces going nuts in the back
of the shot and just bed them everywhere. And it seemed,

(25:12):
you know, a little more safe and sanitized on Monday.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
Not quite the desert ark here lizards, but.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
As the anthem, the anthem started as the horses set off,
that was remarkable.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm going away with that and I TV Sean Sean
Bowen and Chamblin Champion Jockey.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Great.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
They had a big moment in the Sun as well.
After such a fantastic season.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
For him, brilliant, so pleased for him. I felt so
sorry for him last season that injury on Boxing eight entry.
Let's be honest, it did cost him and cost him
deer and he handled himself absolutely brilliantly and he's deserved
it so much.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
This season.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
He his if there's a ride of the Season competition.
I can think of two or three of his that
will probably be in the top two or three or five.
He's had an amazing season from the front, from the back.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
He can do it all.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I'm looking forward to asking Anthony McCoy about him on
Saturday because he's got a bit of McCoy in it,
and he's also very different from him, and he's really
come out of his shell as a human being in
the last twelve months or so. He's really good, fun,
very entertaining. His Louke Carvey impression that he did at Sandown,
I think it was a Christmas time genuinely hilarious and
I'm just really chopped for him. That'll be a very

(26:21):
very popular win on Saturday, and you'll see it with
the WE reaction because he's an extremely popular lad.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
What if you dig out ed? Because you remember on
AP's retirement day and obviously this flew under the radar
as a result, Sean Boyne was crowned champion conditional the
same day that AP departed, and I think he rolled
a cookie double on the day. I'm pretty sure that's right.

(26:49):
To check it out because I think the probably some
quite nice footage of a babyface Sean getting some sort
of award on the day when the governor put his
boots on for the last time, then.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
He thanks you written that down, that would be excellent, hey.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Joe, just before we leave, Sean boring that's touched upon
it there. He's a jockey of punters love to have
on their side. Is it that never day?

Speaker 5 (27:11):
It's never day? Never said.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
McLay. He's definitely in.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
There, absolutely sort of digging out a couple of them rides.
Was it Booster Bob when it was a Great Woods
handicap at Newbury? I mean it's tailed off at one stage.
Wasn't he in anybody that would have backed him? And
I've been thinking, well, got no chance from here, and
I think he traded eight hundred and eighty to one
before flying home to get the job done. Well, it

(27:38):
could be a flukey. It's happened once. But then you
go back to trials day. Was it moondrange unbelievable, you
know exactly and it's still last three out rowing away
Galvin eyed him into it and then still what happened
at the last and so yeah, you know, it's just

(27:58):
everything that you want in a off isn't. He just
keeps going, tries his hardest. And as Ed was saying
that that response this season to that injury last year,
you know, he just he just always comes across as
a brilliant, nice guy that works hard and he's just
happy that he's he's come through and it so worked
out for him well this season.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
And you say it was tough, hard that heavy fall
a costing the title of Entry on Boxing Day like year,
and it was, but every cloud and all that, and
it got me on Racing TV my one and only
line in Champions full gallop sean bowing a heavy four.
Still haven't been paid for it mine.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah, well we'll say you've got more time to do
with that. Figure out Billy after fan Ben is quite
disgraceful attack on British jump jockeys a couple of weeks
back on this very podcast, having Copt has been a
great head himself, firmly with the Mullins team. Another way
that a plumped and on Monday and he's heading to
punch us down and picking up a ride or two.

(28:57):
I mean, I presume they won't be for Paul Nichols
are trying to pick out the spot divides.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
Since double for him the Plumpton on Monday. Yeah, riding
up his skin. Look, he's he is a top top jockey.
I do think Nicholas has a couple of entries at Punches.
I saw Rubos entering one of the races, but he
won't have many runners, so yeah, but it makes perfect
sense for Cobden to come over. There is no jump
racing in Britain apart from a hunter's chase meeting at

(29:27):
Cheltenham that week. There's a couple of meetings on the Saturday,
so what else is he going to be doing. He'll
be twiddling his thumbs at home watching his cattle, so
he might as well come to Punches down. And yes,
he has certainly rocketed up the pecking order at close
Upon in recent weeks. I see even at Part today
he rides Pagan in the listed Mayor's Chase when he
has two in the race, Paul rides the first string,

(29:47):
Cobden rides the second. Even though Danny Mullens and Rachel
Blackmore at the meeting, so he's obviously alone. Said he has,
he has come up the pecking order there, and don't
be surprised if he does pick up a couple of
nice players at bunch of the next week because there
will be few boys around.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Speaking of Punches Down jockeys, I think Nicky Henderson is
going to have to be looking for somebody else the
Constitution Hill, isn't he if if he does go there?
Because it seems nick in a bad way after his
accident at plumpt and obviously wish him well.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
But that's good news, isn't it so that that is
good news? Do you think he will go to Punches Down,
and especially now that they're going to need a new
rider if he does? And if he does down, who
will get the ride?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
There's every reason not to, isn't there originally?

Speaker 4 (30:36):
And they've never really needed much of an excuse to
take the easy option with him, have they.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Unfortunately, you presume.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It would be James would give him the must It
will be James lovely hair besting James Owen. I'm quite
confident about that. It's a remarkable construction. It doesn't move
whatever weather's.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah and Tom Stanley, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, two live runners there, two lives. I think what's
interesting in Jess Cobbden saying after a couple of the
Mulliins winners how we spoke to Ruby Walsh, David Casey
and Willy Mullins before the rage. You can see secret
of the success the Moneys seem have got. That's the
sort of backup team you've got offered instructions and guidance.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
Absolutely and gritty. Kirsten Rousing mentioned and again I believe
hot favourite to win the award for the lady you'd
least likely to be sitting behind in the cinema. She's
She's won it for ten years, twenty years running.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think now let's talk about this title race and Chamberlain.
We're heading to did you have on Saturday? And I'm
not going I'm going to stand down on Saturday's coming
down got to go down to the wire giving the
sheer weight of numbers that both have got. Think Dan's
got thirty eight runners over two days coming up with
his go I don't know he is in at sixteen

(31:55):
in about three sixty five Gold Cup in the host
of star names as well that you can say it's
done an awful lot twin Live in the last day
of the jump season over the last two years.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
So I'm Brian May at the ITV pollusive gee that
was crazy. It really has already.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Honestly within racing will say there's no interest in it. Well,
you read the newspapers and speak to sports editors and
they're saying something different. There's plenty of interest in it,
even to such an extent that we might be having
a switcheroo around on Saturday. So watch this space with
the ITV coverage on Saturday, because it'd be great if

(32:34):
we can actually show the winner and show the decisive moment.
So Richard Willoughby's an absolutely maestrong these things, is working
hard on that at the minute.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
So hopefully some news later.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Other breaking news is that Mark Watsh will write John Bond,
which will come to sure he writes in the Celebration Chase.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
But yeh has had a real interest in these cards.
At PERFO.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
We've got coming up for the next couple of days
have just got so much more coverage they'd normally get.
And I think the overriding thing here is already and
I think William le will probably within by my very
amateurist calculations, I think Dan needs a leader at least
one hundred gram going into Saturday to have a chance.
That's my take on it, But whatever happens, I think
both Willi's always going to emerge with credit. But I

(33:13):
think Dan Skelton emerges from this with enormous credit. One
for the way he went for it and the way
he attacked it from the off, and two for the
way he's handled himself since, because it can't have been easy,
and he's had a bit of stick, And I imagine
there's a lovely closer at the end of this chapter
already of the great game notes and that type thing.
Dan has had a bit of stick for some of

(33:34):
the things he said, but I don't think he's put
a foot wrong GC would that be fair?

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Since since National I've been really impressed with him.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
All you ask of leading sportsmen is that they're accessible
and that they speak from the heart. Anyone can get
the old cliche book out, and we know people often
attempted to do that, but he says what's in his arm.
Sometimes it's a little off beam. But I think those guys,

(34:01):
and by and large, i'd like to especially over jumps,
and I think the flat guys that they're very very
good now at fronting up and giving the audience what
they're looking for, which is an honest reply to a
probing question. So whoever wins it will deserve it. And
I think you right. Willy might have the firepower, but
it's been an absorbing scrap and if Dan Skelton doesn't

(34:24):
win it, then his terms only delayed. I think that.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
There's a bill Twilet doesn't win the big mass Chase today, David,
he's got a company of runners before Saturday. After today,
he's only got a handful of coupley of that valuable pot.
It could easily be one hundred thousand given the weight
of numbers and the different for Dan Skelton this year
he's got fresh horses, winning racers at this time. The
last year was treading water. Last year they sitting dock.

(34:48):
It does seem to have a bit of momentum David,
going this time around.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Absolutely, And it's it is all going to set up
for so well for Saturday, isn't it? But and just
looking at the best three sixty five Gold Cup and
it's the shadow of Grange Claire West looming over the race,
isn't it? With that thirteen pounds the difference that he
is ahead of Minnela Kakuna, who would be top weight

(35:14):
if he doesn't run and obviously you can imagine how
many horses Grange Clear West is keeping out of the
handicap and it's just going to be.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So interesting what Willy decides to do.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
It's not like he's not fully entitled to go there
is He Grange Claire West on the back of what
was a really good run in the Grand Nationals. He'd
obviously be good enough to be going to the Grade
one at Punchestown if they want it. So yeah, it's
just going to set up for a really interesting day's action.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
We've got looster Win. They delivered in these big Stone
and the cap churches one two threes, one two, as
et cetera. People are almost taking it as that he'll
do it again in this There's some interesting horses in
among that huge team we've touched on Grange Claire West,
we've got Dancing City Progressive novices as well. If you've
got the phone call from Ruby David casein well, which how.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Would you ride Billy nottch good question, that would be
a phone call I'd like to get. I think it's
highly significant that high class hero who we spoke about
last week as a potential Irish National winner didn't run
in the Irish National, but does appear in the entries
for the Battery sixty five Chase. I think he'd beat
an ideal type for the race, and especially the ground.

(36:23):
That sandal will probably be a little bit quicker than
it was that fairlyals on Monday, so that would suit him.
DJ's right. Greenslair West will, whether he runs or not,
will will have a massive effect on the race, obviously,
Menellica Coon who won it last year. He might go
back again. Dancing City is a class act, but you
know he comes into it on the back of a
poor effort at the entry, so a little bit to

(36:44):
prove and you've got a heart like Spanish Harlem, who
I was fancying for the Scottish National, unfortunately got carried
out at halfway so didn't have a hard race there.
He'd come back, he's got a chance. But of all
of them, I think high Class Hero is the most
interesting one to me. I wouldn't be a lot surprised
to Paul Town and decides to ride him.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Jac just the ship waiting for numbers elsewhere, The Gallic Warriors,
the Lossy Mouse al Fabio. I mean, let's say Thomas
is back, isn't it. We thought he was out for
the season. He was a late a dish. It shows
it matters to what I mean. They have all the
entries at this stage, we don't know quite what's turning on.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Yeah, and if some of them don't win, they'll pick
up very good money.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
And finishing second. Does you have nine of the first
thirteen in the big handicap in terms of the top weight,
it's staggering. It's staggering depth. From a logical point of view,
if you'd lay the title race aside for a minute,
when you have that many horses of that quality, you
should be having multiple runners. It should be inevitable that

(37:42):
you'd be having big teams in each of this big races.
So the bad news for Nicky Henderson, Paul Nichols and
Dan it might be the shape of things to come,
and not just in the last month of the season.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
It seems strange that you know you can see from
the entry is how much he's desperate to go out
and win it. Yet if that was the case, you
know you had you go back to the King George.
He didn't even have a single runner. I think did
he have one runner in the Betfair chase. You know,
there's so many of the good races throughout the season
that he could have ensured had bigger seals were more

(38:15):
competitive at that time. And if he did that, then
this had already been done and sift for him, wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
It's no, there's not a cash prize, is there? There's
no is there? I can't think of a trophy. Is
there a significant trophy? But it's legacy for for a
firm like this now it's it's history and and doing
you know what has hardly ever been done by an
Irish trainer. Ver jumped, Well, do.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
You say I can't exclude the reveal of a trophy
because with it keeps it on his table in his
living room. And when we were there h Maximus landmarks
Gaster visit, he revealed it keeps linde Or chocolates in
there and lind chocolates and no, one don't want to
give it away. It's a very useful.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
The equipment of the Sporting Life podcast exclusive.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Taking us off, it's like that to offer, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
The quiz question already the quiz question for both our listeners,
when was the last time two horses were the same
name ran against each other.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
M hmm, we'll leave.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
We'll leave that.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I know at thirty in the nineties, but there's one
Gorham Park more recently than that. The viewers can try
and work out.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
In the interviewing time and while you're at it, put
it on the poll.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
We're finishing.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
It's here Lindoor of Prero Russia. Which which would you go? Yeah,
I don't thin, Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
We we've mentioned Matt Walls right to John Bond. That's
another exclusive. There's a lot on the list of exclusives
that this podcast has provided and that was quite interesting.
Nicky's quotes on the Nick look the early podcast. I
do believe that is continuing It's daily farmat earlier. How
he was looking for doing in John Bond doing it
for Dan. They're all good mates. This is the Fellow
and we all sat singing we are the Champion with

(40:04):
Willi Mullins on the Friday night of Charlm.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
It's a game, that great game, good old tender, You've
got to love it. John Bond on Saturday. My goodness,
I mean his Sandown records imperious, isn't it. Two Tingle
creeks two of these five out of five at Sanddown,
but he's very short, and as you know, I think
Nico de Boynes was so important to him. I would

(40:26):
just have my slight, very very slight doubts because he
does get it and does take a bit of knowing.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
So Danna were cheering him on, but I couldn't back
him by that proce.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I believe all the money's big ones. I was surprised
to see him was lost in Mouth only on the
basis that she didn't think to be at her best,
particularly MTVL she won, and they didn't think she particularly
enjoyed the ground that day. It was going to be
basically very similar surface you'd imagine that sand Down on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
I wouldn't have to wait and see if she runs.
But even if she doesn't, I think he'll probably won
the rast anyway. I mean, looking at the entries, he's
got three or four. If he runs the Lakes of
gen the Grugie, for example, she'd be very hard to beat.
She'd probably be top rated with us L Fabiolo possibly
back over hurdles would look very interesting in that race.
So I think if lastly More turns up, she won't
need to be out of her best to win it,
but she will have other options of bunches done, so

(41:17):
they will. They'll make a decision close at the time.
If she runs, she's It'd be very hard to see
her getting beaten in that field.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
With this tiphile flat editor, what would you give for
this scenario going into champions Day, Apple being O'Brien toe
to toe, they'vebout thirty miners at Redkill on the preceding day.
They're going all in for this this drama for some reason,
it just beats it out with the jumps game, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
It does, absolutely, yes, certainly has done, and I think
it helps you know that it's the English versus Willie
Mullens angle as well.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Definitely.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
So Yeah, Like I said a couple of weeks ago,
I think once you get the Grand National out of
the way, the jump season sort of tails off, whereas
it's very much holding full attention very much to the
last day, may even go to the last race.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
And Dave, I would never dream of plotting a conspiracy
theory on this podcast, but if I were to, how
about declaring loss amount where I think it's raised five,
raised six at the weekend declaring her to run. But
if the title's in the bag after the Best six
five Gold Cup withdrawing her and keeping her on layaway

(42:28):
for the Punches Down, what do you think about that?

Speaker 9 (42:30):
One think before the Judd really yeah, I think he
did a couple of years ago Benny the judge that
she was declared and the title was gone, so she
didn't run, Yes, she went to it.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Did it do with death as well? One year He's
definitely did it with one of them.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
So it's a rum old game. Now we need to
top Punches Town next week. Went but it's a big weak.
I mean women's finishing the season in styling Ireland just
as much as you expected the big I don't have
gallop in the shop. If you look it to the
way then it is it a crack of Jack festival

(43:09):
for him?

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Always yeah love punches Down. You know it is the
the traditional finish at there jump season in a the
jump season in Ireland, and it never makes much sense
to me that the jump season officially finishes at sand
Down and then Punches Down is in regarded as being
the start of the next season, but it's not over
here in Ireland. The the it finishes the punches down.
It's obvious a tremendous week. You know you've got great

(43:32):
ones every day. We'll hopefully see a whole k, a
vast array of Chelton Festival winners to hopefully turn out again.
Fingers possibly be a Constitution Hill. I'm not cancel until
come but it'll be great if he did. And you
know there should be some really top tass section. It's
I don't think I know the way you're thinking is
gonna run the gold Cup and galloping the champ I

(43:54):
believe is on target for it again. Be great to
see him. He doesn't have the best punch stone record,
but he might put it right this year.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Fantastic days as you probably want someone in the five
year old. It'll be definitely get some experience into him.
Well these it could be an all toots about the
next year they don't get a few more hits out.
I did like he did his column with you about
there was three mayors that in the week because had
the all novices for next year. We getting a bit
of expert into.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
But I think the most interesting horse potentially all week.
It's back to file dropping down in trip mm hm.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
So going down to two.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
It sounds like he might run in the in the
chapel you're recovering of the championships.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
I wasn't aware of that, but yeah, that would be
really interesting. I assuming he'll have to take our Marine Nationale,
so yeah, that'd be a fascinating race. Of course he's
done something similar with that all in the past. That
punches down.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, great week ahead punches about before we which if
it's tied Home Jumps moment of the season, the curtain
comes out, it does finish Billy Sandown end of the
Jump Season only for this podcast purposes, because we're not
back next week. We are back, as I do stress
for the Derby Billy give us Billy that we got
a moment of the year for the Jump season.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
That was the most poignant moment of the year, and
I'm sure the other members of the panel will agree
with me. Was Marie National and Jesse Matty winning within
an hour of each other at the Children Festival, both
of whom, of course Michael O Sullivan had won on
a couple of years ago, so that was very poignant,
as was mister Policeman winning the race named after Michael
O'Sullivan at Mallow just on Sunday. He of course was

(45:24):
the first start that Michael O. Sullivan won on for
Willie Mullins at Cork, his local track, and for that
horse to come and win the race name in his
honor was particularly poignant. So those two moments would have
stood out to me.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
JC, What stood out for you?

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Yeah, that's a good, great one. Mine was a moment,
a few moments of silence, and it was when Chip
Chapman went up to interview William Mullens straight after the
Grand National. And I don't know why, but I knew,
I knew what was happening. I could sense that William
Mullens was super proud that his son Patrick won the

(46:00):
Grand National, but he was thinking about his late mum
and dad, and I think inwardly he was thinking, Jesus,
what a day. I wish they'd been here so that
we could all enjoy this historic moment together. And I
just thought it was absolutely lovely, the father and son angle,
but the grandparents as well, who couldn't be there.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
So bad? Did you change again? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I thought there was several things that you say.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
The Champman Festival, I thought itself was really good, you know,
highlighted by the carnage of the Champion Hurdle, but just
to be a little bit more lighter hearted than the
other two lads. The video of Blogger during the Stayers Hurdle,
I think has got to be right up there.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Where is that? Come on, Jack, come back, come back.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
I think that is the one that I've watched time
after time after time. So I'm going to say that what.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Had he done? Back to Heady Yeah, I mean stage
left shortly after Chiln You've been presenting to them. What's
been the best moment.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's been a dramatic national season. I've really enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Actually, I've got high hopes for champions full gallop with
the stories they might have country to believe that has
absolutely nothing to do with me, but I think stoutsher
hopefully will get stuck into some of those stories and
not major too much on their David Power Jockey's Cup
and the race to be Champion trained because I think
when you dig down there are some fabulous stories in
there and the love has been shared with Ati Kolos,

(47:33):
the Welsh National and lots of those stories from Cheltenan.
I think the best one away from the Mikey O'Sullivan story,
which was so dramatic. Being there on that Wednesday was
really spooky actually, with that dark cloud and those two winners,
and mitched with such sadness as well. But I think
on the Tuesday, I think I'll remember the Champion Hurdle
more than any other race this season. And I think

(47:54):
I remember thinking, you.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Know, you remember how I built up Constitution Hillers a
whole week revolving around him. I thought it would be
the biggest come down of all time when he got
beat and it wasn't at all. It was absolute magic. Ooh.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Jeremy Scott reverberating around the Chapman winner's enclosure and his humor,
humility and just charm I think was fantastic. So Jeremy
Scott would get my moment of the season. After the
Champion head.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Well said, I don't want to make it about me,
but in any word on whether I'll get another line
in Champions full Galloped Acond.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Series, well, the royalties are still to be settled for
the first one.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
So yeah, refused to corporate d That's not the way
they'll learn. Mine was that post guard that was just
impressed thing afterward because she wanted you the two half
as were okay, trying to find Henderson, then you find Henderson,
then Buckley's giving some parlors on racing. Then you running
around trying to find Willie Mullins and you should have
realied that six minutes later, Oh, we need to get
Jeremy Scott. It was like that the press bat was
running about that lemons in these small groups and never

(48:52):
never seen anything like it post face. Well, that's it
for us. That's the end of this podcast. In the
weekly podcast, got to stress we are back. It's not
the end and we will be back through the flat
season and beyond next jump season as well, looking ahead
to all the key action. But thankful listening on a
regular weekly basis what we've been waiting for us when
we come back for EPSOM Thanks to GENC who was
in Sharting looking for to the weekend GC big meeting

(49:14):
over there.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
Great Yeah, no Romantic Warrior, So the Q two Cup
is up for grabs. Juliath the Keyboards slashes in George
with a potentially the world's best sprinter in Kying rising
and a really good mild clash between Star Hong Kong
horse Voyage Bubble and Big Time Ossie Wull's mister Brightside,
so loads to look forward to. We hope to be

(49:36):
back in the next few weeks. But what if the
office start coming in from other podcasts? Dave? What should
we do? What do you know?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
It is all about that?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
All?

Speaker 5 (49:44):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
My agents fevioushly at work. They did very shallow pool
at them in a GC out there. H're doing a
Harry Cobden.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
You know it's the all Wanter wat Striker issue in
a come and get me play isn't it.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
He has got a good agent to be fair.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
We'll be ad and gcs go and get me play out,
don't you with that? With that, what's been going out?
Thanks to Billy, thanks to Ed and thanks to DJ
and Besselo. This weekend what promises to be a fantastic
two days at Sander.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
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