What Could Have Been - Chicago Bulls Dynasty of 1990's - Sports Exchange

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Good evening. Everybody, welcome to another ditch of little sports.
E jan great first show, the for No Limits can.
He wants you to give everybody review what we did
in the first hour.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
We debuted the first of our series on CTE with
a former US Olympic Bob Slutter, and he was talking
about hyperbaric Chamber CTE.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Lots of good stuff to come first of the series,
so that was what we started with previous.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
So here we are Sports Exchange or please welcome Tom
Shanna and he'll be on here a couple of times
a month. He likes to talk about basketball, college in particular,
as well as pro and college football, so glad to
have Shanny on here as well. He'll obviously have his
own segment at the end, just like fund the Fun
it called the Shanahan Report for everybody out there. When

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he talks about college football, he's the one individual that
knows an awful lot more about this game than more
than I'll ever know. So if that said, let's get
this thing going. The Detroit Tigers defeated in the Santel
Mariners nine to three today to force the game five out.
West Mauraders actually left all star Brian woo off the
Alds roster due to a peck injury. Move forward with

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George Kirby and Lewis Castillo. So, George, give me a
report about what you saw at least yesterday and then
what you probably watched today from Comerica Park.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yes, thank these guys. It's a pleasure to be out there.
Yesterday it was a terrible situation with the rain and
waiting and waiting. I felt sorry, but that's just part
of baseball in the autumn. You know, the Angela was
over two hours in Detroit. But Tigers were really outclassed.
They were out manned last night. They did not play
a good game by any stretch. The hitters were flailing

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at pitchers, a lot of strikeouts. The Tigers have had
a difficult time in the last month or so that
most of you know in regards to run production. The
bullpen has been a little suspect. I mean, they're better
than average, but they're not a great bullpen. But last
night Seattle was kicking out on all heels. Man, they
were really banging that ball, and I'll tell you what,

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you know, Tigers had nothing to match it. Yeah, they
showed up in the ninth inning Detroit and got a
couple of runs there, but that was about all they did.
And then of course today, okay, so they had to
come back right away. In fact, it started at three
litt left of three o'clock Eastern time, as you guys know.
And then they came out today and they didn't really

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look too good. I mean, the first three or four innings,
the Tigers again had no run productions, were getting angry.
There were some booze that were heard today and quite
a few last night. But the fact of the matter
was is that something clicks, something woke this team up.
You talk about that that that sleeping giant. Well today

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you know, uh three I'm sorry, three runs in the
fifth and then another fourth spot in the sixth, and
so the Tigers grabbed that lead, uh seven to two,
seven to three at that time, and the hitting came alive.
I mean, guys like Torres and and and Riley Green
and and uh Biaz had another great game today batting wise,

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and they got good pitching. So they put it all together.
So the so the bottom line is a nine three
victory for Detroit and now they're going to go to
a game five winner take all Friday. I'm sorry they
skip a day. I'm sorry. Uh yeah, it'll be It'll.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Be a job Thursday, George Friday.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
It is Friday. Thank you, Thank you Scott.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
For the I know, I know, I know. You don't
leave Michigan offense.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
You don't worry about jet black anyways, but days ago
the West you generally have to do it. So well,
that's that, that's where Tigers report fucking by the southward
of tribute.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
So let's get to the agenda.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Tonight shows what could have been the Chicago Bulls dynasty
of the nineteen nineties.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
We're going to get to that in the moment. But anyways, well.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Let's talk about what took place recently with Duke men's basketball.
Tommy that they've agreed to a new six year deal
with men's basketball coach John Shire. They give him two
additional years through the twenty thirty thirty one season.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
What are your thoughts about Duke royding mister Shire.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
What's amazing about Shire is he's picked up right where
coach k left off. There's been no no drop off
in the recruiting. They're still getting the number one and
number two top recruits in the country. And you know,
a lot of times you see players shy away when
the legend leaves, and that's just not happened to Duke.

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Shire had been on the bench for a long time
as an assistant coach, and he's made that transition. He
was actually involved with a lot of the recruits that
came in the previous years. So whatever connection you would
have thought would have been lost without coach K's magnet, magnetic.

Speaker 7 (05:20):
Name, there's nothing to it.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Shire has just picked up right where Coach k left
off with as many, if not more, top recruits.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
Cady, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
The contract that Shire and get continuity is what they want.
They haven't and have a first class coach. We were
at the de campus. That was pretty heat going over
to their facilities Canon Door Stadium.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think, go ahead, yeah, I mean they're smart to
do that. He's been, you know, there for a while.
He also now created a new opportunity within the men's
basketball program that they just announced. I don't know if
you knew this, Scott, but NBA champion and former Blue
Devil stand out Jason Tatum has been named to first

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of its kind responsibility as chief basketball Officer. He will
volunteer his time as a special advisor to Shire and
the Duke program, bringing championship level insight and professional basketball
experience to player development, leadership, and life as an elite athlete.
I think that is a superb move by him because
I think that'll help him bring in more talent to

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the school if they're gonna have an NBA player to
be able to help mold some of these college players
and help them. So good great moves by him and
the college for securing.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
Him great information by.

Speaker 8 (06:53):
Yeah, it's kind of like that Pittsburgh Steelers situation where
they've only had so many coaches because they get it
right and they understand culture. You know, this is this
is a situation where this coach was hand picked by
by coach k This guy, you know uh, coach Duke.
He understands culture, understands Duke culture, and obviously he was

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a great pick by coach k Uh Coach k Groometon.
And this is one of those rare situations where you know,
the the the master, uh, the the the the the
guy who's the uh, they're the master ultimately is able
to pick his pupil and his successor, and it was
a great pick. The results show and Duke has not

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skipped the beat. This program, you know, is rolling like
the Green Bay Packers quarterbacks for the last thirty years.
You know, they just don't miss a beat. They know
how to pick him. And you know, I love I like,
I'm a Duke guy myself. I like Duke basketball, so
I'm happy about it as his Duke basketball nation.

Speaker 9 (07:55):
Jacob, well remember this big deal. And I mean I
was with you Martin by the way, girl up, we
didn't have any's. We have a cable TV, so it's
Duke of North Carolina. So I watched both. I liked both,
but I liked Duke better Cameron Indoor, you know. But
the but the big thing you got to remember about
coaches is if they get older. Shire's probably been doing
all of the recruiting, all all that kind of work

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for so many years, like he was the coach anymore.
You get you get older, you just have somebody you
have delegation at this point. But one of the things
that you see also in Good Job. You brought that
up with Jason Tatum Candy. That is the thing I
was reading up on that. That's awesome. One thing to
realize is there is a cautionary tale. And I'm going
back to the women's side of the Tennessee women's basketball

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mind you there they're not terrible, but when someone has
been gone, they've just never been the same. So that's
a cautionary tale that you get. Now you with Duke,
you didn't want that situation. The thing is they've come,
they had somebody. He picked somebody right inside of Duke
who played for Duke that Meshryszewski did. The biggest thing

(09:01):
to see is the fact that you're going to see that.
I mean when you're going to see the next few
years and you're probably going to see a couple of
national titles just the same that it's like he never left.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Jacob George, well, yeah, and I could speak from a
little bit of experience with the situation which Scott and
I of course live with here in Michigan with Heathcote
and Iso, but I look at the Shire situation very similar.
Of course, you know, replacing a legend is never easy,
and certainly Mike Kay has done a fantastic job as
we know at Duke and also at the Olympics and everywhere.

(09:34):
He's been just an incredible, credible record that man has
and he is in the Polish Sports Hall of Fame
that I'm involved in. But John Shire, he's not shying
away from anything. No, this his schedule has voted again.
He's got the roster obviously is going to have a
different look. We all know that there's that revolving door.

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Because of that program being so successful, we're seeing departure,
you know, Cooper Flag the most recent and you know,
you know that doors to the NBA. That's all because
it's such a great program, and you know what, it's
not gonna change because Shire's got his good hand on it.
And it was that Candy just explained to us too

(10:17):
about the the return of Tatum. I mean, this is
going to be another good year I look forward from
from Shire and Douke. But yeah, he's not shying away
from any of that so called pressure that that there
was by at least a lot of the media and
fans taken over for a legend.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Hey, George, great segue to Cooper Flag, because you know what,
when he was coming out, the projected contract was a
four years at sixty two million.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
Candy, once you.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Actually go ahead and get the actual contract, I know
was projected when he was coming out a great segue, George,
because well, that's why I wanted to bring in Shire
because it was going to lead to the obvious Cooper
Flag thing. Candy, while she goes ahead and gets that
re search done. What are your thoughts about Jacob Cooper
Flagg big a product of john Shire and talk about

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Cooper Flagg, your observations on him as a player.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
This guy is pretty good.

Speaker 9 (11:09):
Oh, you know. The the big thing about with Cooper
Flag was the fact that when I saw him, I
wanted him to I wanted to say lead that. I
knew it wasn't gonna hap because it's the NBA and
it's the pay and but I was having hope against
hope for Niel to keep him there because I wanted
to see him see if he could win a national
title for Duke. He was, he is that good. But

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one thing that I'm when we worried about and I
saw him in a couple of the games in the tournament.
Mind you that mind you, it's it's in the college
and pros. He's going to mature as a player. One
of the things I saw in a couple of those
games he just felt off. It was a proosent pressure,
was it the day. Were their good defenses?

Speaker 8 (11:50):
What is it?

Speaker 9 (11:50):
That's one thing I always worried about. Now it makes
you wonder about the NBA. It's like, will he have
certain struggles and will they bring up the fans and
all of the media and theveryboy else bring up the
contract and it's like, it's of course he's a rookie
and he's too young, but that will stop anybody.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
So Scott, the answer is number one overall pick in
the twenty twenty five NBA Draft. Flags rookie contract will
be a four year, sixty two point seven million dollar deal.
If he meets the criteria to earn a Supermax. At
the end of that contract, Flag can receive a five
year contract three hundred and fifty nine million dollar deal

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for his second contract, So sixty two point seven for
four years.

Speaker 5 (12:36):
Thank you, Kendy.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, while you're talking about what you're talking about Cooper
Flagg being with the Mavericks.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
I think obviously the guy didn't have a heck of
a year. Anyways.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know, the one thing that NBA does a little
differently is they have the draft the lottery thing, so
it's not necessarily the worst team and he's going to
kind of like the NFL, where you know you're going
to a really bad TA. Kudos to him, Cooper Flag.
I think he'll he'll definitely be an impact player and

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be an impact player quickly.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Mey.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
Yeah, the thing about Cooper Flag is getting back to
what we were talking about Shire doing the recruiting. He
was the one who recruited Cooper Flag. And in fact,
Coach K's last year on the bench, he made a
point of not doing any other recruiting. He didn't want
to recruit kids and to not be their coach the

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next year. So that was all part of his plan
his transition, planned that he was going to coach one
last year and he wanted his successor to be on
the bench next to him. And there was actually three
four or five guys that are head coaches from Duke
that under Coach K's tree that could have been candidates

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and had been assistant coaches, and I think it was
Tommy Amaker.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
Tommy Amaker the one at Harvard or is he at
Central Florida.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Yeah, Dawkins is a Central Florida Almaker was very interested
in the job, but he wasn't going to give up
his Harvard job to be an assistant coach at Duke
for that one last year and that's what Coach K
wanted out of his succession plan. And he was very
clear on this. Didn't really a lot of people didn't
really understand it. They thought that he was too minutolitive

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picking Shire about. Coach K is a West Point grad,
did his five year stint in the army and then
coached an army and he was very clear on this
when he stepped down that he wanted a succession plan
similar to the army. When the Army names the new
general to be the head of a base, he doesn't

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come in one day and take over. There's a transition
period where the former boss and the new boss are
working together. And that's what Coach K wanted. With Shire
on the bench and is his successor. Shire was already
entrenched to the recruiting and uh, we're seeing, Uh it's
worked out exactly the way Coach K had hoped.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
So who hasn't.

Speaker 8 (15:24):
Yeah, So, I mean, great, great points Tom. Again, that
speaks back to culture, you know, and leadership and being
strategic and having a plan and putting ego aside. I mean,
just look about look at the leadership of a coach
k and and and the Duke administration versus you know
how Jerry Drones runs his organization and the chaos and

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the circus and the ego. I'm serious though, you know,
and you wonder why he hasn't been successful at least
without Jimmy Johnson. But you know, coach k epitomizes you know,
class and what it is to be a real leader.
And and you see that and how they went about
getting the next coach in there. The crazy thing for
Cooper Flag and what what you hate for him is.

Speaker 10 (16:07):
He took a pay cut going to the NBA. Yeah,
he made twenty eight million dollars in his first year
at Duke from two deals. And you know, based on
the numbers, can he's saying, what's he making in NBA
twenty two, twenty three, twenty four million. I'm not saying
that's chump change, but just think about we live in

(16:28):
a world where a kid who's making over twenty million
dollars in pro sports is taking a pay cut from
what he made in college.

Speaker 8 (16:35):
You know, again, capitalism has no mercy. The players benefit
greatly and you know twenty eight meal as a freshman.

Speaker 9 (16:45):
Wow, Oh as much as you got Martin.

Speaker 8 (16:49):
We don't talk about that. You know this, you know,
it's a different day. I don't know what you're talking about, Jacob.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
And I didn't contribute yet, Scott, but I was, Yeah,
I just wanted to add, you know, this guy, there's
a lot of pressure on him. But he did very
well in his first game down there for the exhibition season.
I mean, what can you say. He was AP Player
of the Year and all the Accoloids, the Wooden Award,
that Doctor j Award, he won everything. And he is

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a good player, and no question about that. A lot
of pressure on him, but he's got to remember that
it takes time too. And despite all the money that
he's making, Cooper Flag is going to be going through
some growing pains as a rookie in the NBA. The
kid's only eighteen. I think he turns nineteen in December,
so he's got a lot of moxie, a lot of

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determination and obviously great pedigree. Like you guys said from
Duke and from and Mixtrotest and his successor right.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Everybody contributed, Yeah, a lot of line. Cooper Fledge the
heck of a player. Dallas members are looking to end
up getting him talk about getting lucky in the lottery
at the right time. They did definitely get them. Everybody
thought that when who was it not? Oh gosh, I'm
trying to.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Blank got traded to the Lakers. Help me out. I'm
drawing a plank.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Shouldn't the guy's overweight all the time and he blues
out there?

Speaker 5 (18:20):
Yeah that's it.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, all time.

Speaker 9 (18:25):
It's usually Zion.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yeah, no, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
But yeah, the reality is they were fortunate that they
ended up getting it right the number one pick, because
now they have a good building black when Kyrie Irving
gets healthy, this team could.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Be dangerous that they have there.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
And Anthony Davis is right, the Dallas Mavericks will better
than most people think. They got new ownership Mark Cubans
out of there. But nonetheless the teams are forces to
be reckoned with us Luka Doncas all right, there you go, thanks,
all right, we'll continue on the basketball team. The title
Love the Show is what could have been Chicago Bulls
dynasty of the nineteen nineties. While Tommy, if anybody can

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be connected with this and know this, well, it's you.
With Michael Jordan who took a shot at Lebron James
when disgusting how many titles that he would have had
in Chicago. Is the nineteen ninety eight team that was
never broken up, we could have won seven, eight, nine.
Of course he's being sarcastic because the Lebron thing he

(19:27):
obviously knows and letting him know who the real king
of the Hill is. So Lebron James, I don't. I'll
get laughed at this. I wouldn't put him in my
top five or ten players when you look at that
history of the NBA, I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
That's just me.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
But Michael Jordan, no problem. I'll put in there easily
at the top. What are your thoughts about this when
you look at Jordan had six, but he could have
had nine or ten easily if it wasn't broken up.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Tommy, I guess so.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Well, it had six.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
I just always thought there was nobody that really challenged
the uh, the Bulls in those days after the Lakers
dynasty faded. There's just a lull with other teams, and
they really didn't have to beat a lot of great teams.
I don't know, but they would they have beaten the

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Rockets with a team in ninety four if if if
one of the Jordan hadn't retired to baseball.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
I don't know one of them.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Okay, that's for see. All right, So let me ask
you this, Tommy m Jay, Lebron? Who you got?

Speaker 5 (20:48):
I mean, wasn't a choice?

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
That was the other thing that I holds me back
on the Bulls because I always have thought Pippen was overrated.
He wouldn't have been as good without Jordan, and he
proved that he was no longer playing with Jordan.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
He went to other teams. But anyways, Jordan or Lebron James,
is that what you said?

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Yeah? Yeah, Jordan, Okay, Candy.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Jordan all day long?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Do you think he was online when he was taking
his shots at Lebron? Nowadays everybody's taking shots of Lebron.
I just figured I'd pulled this one in my pocket
and bring it to the forefront. If we have a
lot of North Carolina talking this show.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
I think the nineties Bulls played a different style of
basketball than they play now. So do I think it's better?
I think the old school basketball is better than the
new school basketball.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Yeah. Of course they didn't heard to have Dennis Robin
in there either.

Speaker 8 (21:45):
Marvin, without question, if they kept that team together in
ninety eight, they would have won more championships. As Tom said,
no one could touch them. I mean, these guys playing
at the top of the game. Jordan was playing great
that season in the last is last year there, and
there was nobody who would look at it and say

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they would challenge that team. Uh so, so, yeah, I
would definitely assume they'd win more championships. Listen, basketball is
big on metrics. They call Lebron James the King. What
he is, he is the King. He's the king because
he's gonna have he has all the records. He's gonna
have all the records.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
You know.

Speaker 8 (22:23):
Obviously, you know most championships is the biggest one and
and that's and that's our man out in Boston. But
in the modern game, it's Michael Jordan, you know. So
and we count in championships is the major metric. And
I get that, But what about the points? Don't tell
you that doesn't matter. The points record was held by

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Kareem for decades. You know, You've had many great players
from Kareem's retirement til today who don't want to come
close to that. Lebron did it. Longevity matters, you know,
being able to keep your body and stay in shape.
Your commitment to excellence, that matters. So, you know, I
believe that Lebron James is the king. I believe that
Michael Jordan is the goat. If you're asking me who

(23:06):
I take, I'm taking the goat every day, all day.
Michael Jordan was an assassin.

Speaker 9 (23:11):
He was.

Speaker 8 (23:12):
He was a Hall of Fame player on offense and defense.
And he gave you, you know, he gave you your money's worth.
This guy's playing, you know, eighty game seasons, eighty one
game seasons, eighty two game seasons like it's nothing, you know,
and playing at a high level both sides of the ball.
The ultimate competitor, he's still a competitor. That's why he's
talking junk to Lebron James, who's playing. He feels that

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pressure a little bit. He knows he's the guy. You know,
he's he's He was the first one to really take
basketball to a certain level economically. He changed the business
of the game, which really made him who he is
along with those championships. But Lebron James has records. Metrics matter,
Records matter, and when he says he's the King of

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the game. I can give him that, But like I said,
I gotta give Mike the title is goat.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I just want to add to what he was asked
to saying, because he was asking me about who has
the most championships, Bill Russell with eleven.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
Forgotten?

Speaker 8 (24:14):
Yeah, which is sad, Which is sad? You know, yeah, not.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
To mention an Olympic gold medal and back and back
in titles. He needs Twitter.

Speaker 8 (24:24):
If he get Twitter will blow up.

Speaker 9 (24:28):
Okay, you just you get me to get me riled up,
bringing up Lebron to just forget forget you?

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Of course, why do you think I try to bring
you on here to get you riled.

Speaker 9 (24:38):
I'm sorry, Marvin, I'm sorry. When you're a Larry Bird
guy like like I am. And you remember the guy
played through a back so bad he would be sure
in a wheelchair and this guy and this guy clops,
you know, when you touch him with a fingernail. It's like, no, yeah,
he's got the points. Yes, he's got all of those.

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He has everything he does to have four titles. He'll
get no more, never again. But but and there is
zero chance of him having that, you know what I mean.
It's it's about as much chance for him that to
get another title is killed Williams to go without figuring
out Polish. But I mean, the biggest thing to say
about this is the fact that we're talking about I

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brought up Bird earlier, that he goes with Jordan. They
were men, they were assassins, they were assassins. The reason
I can't put it on Lebron's because you put Lebron
in the nineties and he would die because there would
be nothing to fly. No, I'm sorry, it's the style
of the game pops. He fops around, He fops around,

(25:43):
and and the fakes pain on JJ Barrea. That's just
I mean, he is a he is. Here's one of
the things. He's either a horrible actor or he has
the worst pain tolerance for a guy with muscles I've
ever seen. You have a body like that, you need
to be you need to be a little bit of
a bully. You don't need to be faking it to
the refs. But the thing about it, yeah, he would

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if in the nineties. It is because I'm saying he
would have been carted off because he can't do it
because of the way he acts, like when he gets
paid in the first place, but it's a different style
of game. But you had an assassin with Michael. You
had that. But I'm gonna say this with Michael also,
I don't I'm not sure they beat San Antonio on
ninety nine. I'm not sure of that. They were getting older,

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but Pippins's back was bad, Jordan's knees were starting to
get a little bit there. Then there's a competitive they're
all getting older, and then you have a younger San
Antonio team. I'm not sure if the Bulls win any
more than those six in the first place, because and
after one loss that had been over anyway. But I'm
not sure the thing, but that six was amazing. But

(26:52):
MJ you talk about assassin, you talk about you talk
about almost ridiculous competitive fire, and I mean eighty eighty one,
eighty two games. You brought that up and he just
keep playing, and he he did not lose three in
a row from ninety to ninety eight, not once.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well, they're keep in mind. One thing you're missing here
is Michael Jordan and games off. Either he could play
eighty two, he would and I can only imagine Lebron
James would get out smarted by Larry Bird and he
would get hammerd by the bad boys. I mean, he
and Jordan had to do with all that. So part
of you there is Jacob, and the other part of
you isn't. So if you're watching baseball and I only

(27:33):
see half of you, then that's okay too. If I
see all that and I know you have incredible technology.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
Let me bring let me bring this one thing before.
I know, we need to get to George here. But
sorry about that, by the way, No, that's all right,
the bringing the just bringing these whole deals up. And
I'm not saying that for I'm not saying it for
style points or am I saying it for skill, because
I know what the skill is with Lebron, Marvin.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
I know this.

Speaker 9 (27:58):
It's not that part. It's just they, the lawyers and
the agents and Adam Silver, the walking condom. He is they.
I mean, I am telling you right now, every bit
of it. They change the style of the game for
a guy like Lebron. It's like, but you all get
the bad habits that Lebron has. He has caused athletes,

(28:19):
three hundred and fifty pound athletes from high schools and
colleges to flop such bad habits just to think that
that's good. Instead of manning up on anything, they flop
to get penalties. He flopped the guy to get fouls.
He started that stupid thing, and now everybody does it.
They think that's the right thing. And then you'll get

(28:39):
people calling him. They call him the biggest badass in
the history of the NBA, and he could be in MMA.
That's just a generation that doesn't understand what badass is.

Speaker 8 (28:52):
Girl, I'll take like this, Jacob, you can't be the
all time leading scorer and not be a badass.

Speaker 9 (29:00):
I'm talking about that. I'm talking about if I know
I'm saying this part. I know what he did for
his body. The thing is all the stuff that he
pretends to be like tough guy or whatever. He's not.
He pretends he's reading books. He's on the first two
pages on every picture. He doesn't have to. He doesn't
have to do all of that because he is the
all time waiting scorer. He is all that kind of

(29:22):
stuff like that. He made the I Promise school. He's
done these things. He doesn't have to pretend he does.

Speaker 8 (29:29):
He's been the best thing for the NBA is.

Speaker 9 (29:32):
The worst thing in the I cannot wait. He has
caused more. He has caused more bad habits for athletes
on TikTok. They all that flopping, all of the taking
time off. He has caused the bad habits. I mean, yeah,
he's a businessman and he's one of the greatest businessmen

(29:54):
we've ever seen in our lives. But let me say
that the biggest thing about it is, as far as
a ki instinct, he doesn't have Jordan's killer instinct.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Well, George, yeah, I'm just gonna close it out. And
the things that I look at, especially from Jordan, I mean,
you know, six times the NBA Finals, MVP and scoring
champion as we know what, eight nine, ten times after
I lost count. Look, but then look at his all
defensive first team, All defensive first team. So this man

(30:27):
was not only a score but you guys are right,
he was a man who was not afraid to take
punishment and give it out. Jordan was All defensive first
team for like eight ten years again during his career.
And I'll tell you what, No way would I put
Lebron ahead of him. But I'm not going to go
that far, is what you did, Jacob. I'm not going

(30:48):
to go that far and saying all of his nasty,
bad habits. He's been a lot to this league, but no,
he is not Michael Jordan and he never will be
because I look at this as Jordan being far ahead
of him as the top five goes. Like you said earlier, Scott.

Speaker 9 (31:04):
Yeah, I just I'm just saying that. I'm just saying
it just habits for the other athletes that they've that
grew up with him, he just brought so many bad ones.
I mean, I know, I know his skills. I'm not
saying he doesn't have skills. I'm not saying he has
the all time greats scorer. I'm not saying he's not
one of the all time greats. But it makes me irritated.
And when you see so much of load management, he

(31:27):
started that, when you see someone's flopping on the floor,
he started that. He I mean, you see so much
of this stuff. With all this stuff, you see all
of this. You'll see him on TikTok, you on YouTube.
You see high schoolers follow all this stuff. You see
the college people follow all this stuff. It's a it's
just bad habits.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
Well, here here's the champ Okay number one.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
As I said, what could have been Chicago Bulls dynasty
of the nineteen nineties. I think they could have gotten
another title or two easily. As far as Michael Jordan
is concerned over Lefron James, this isn't even close. Michael
Jordan all day long, period. All Right, we're going to
USC but not this time for the Wolverines and the Trojans,
but we're gonna talk women's basketball. USC star Juju Watkins

(32:11):
announces that she will miss the entire twenty twenty five
season and she can continues to cover from an ACL
injury that she suffered in March. She's hoping to be
back obviously next year. Marvin Will, it's your own monitor
where you're talking about Juju Smith Watkins. Ju Ju Watkins.
I was looking forward to seeing her play in the
women's Final four. Unfortunately the injury didn't allow us. But

(32:34):
what a young, gifted athlete she is.

Speaker 8 (32:37):
Yeah, great segue from Michael Jordan, because she's she's a
Michael Jordan of college basketball, without questions. She's a generational player.
When you think about the greatest players in the history
of college basketball, women's college basketball already, you have to
say her name and that that's who she is. She
got injured in during the incident a tournament. It was

(33:01):
obviously early in the year, in the calendar year, and
I realized when she got hurt, just the timing of
it with the ACL she was gonna probably have to
miss the next season. I realized that months ago. And
it's heartbreaking because she I mean, she's a movement. She's inspired,
you know, so many people to watch the game, and

(33:22):
really coming off coming off the year before where it
was all about Caitlyn Clark, I think you see Juju
Watkins kind of filled out void and become the star
of women's college basketball. So really sad to see her out.
We're still going into this season as the number seventeen
team preseason number seventeen. We just signed the number one

(33:43):
player in the nation who will be with us, Jazzy Crumes,
I believe, and we have Kennedy Smith and a few
other players. So USC basketball is going to be competitive
this year. We expect them to be competitive to get
into the tournament tournament and make make a run. But
without your Michael Jordan is going to be tough again.
Juju was putting up guiding numbers on her way to

(34:05):
being selected as a Player of the year in college basketball, Tommy, Yeah,
the thing.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
I remember about Juju she's a great player. The thing
I remember is you heard a lot of build up
about her as when she first got there as a
young player, and a lot of times when you hear
somebody building up like that and you finally see him play,
you're kind of let down.

Speaker 7 (34:28):
But she is everything she.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
Was said to be and as produced from day one.
And yeah, she's a tremendous player. I like watching her play.
And the other thing that I guess is worth noting.

Speaker 7 (34:42):
About her is she's.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Come along in the nil age, so she's missing the
whole year, but I'm sure she's still able to cash
in like a player a decade ago couldn't have while
missing a whole year, and you know, maybe not being
the same player when they come back because of the injuries.
So there's another benefit of Niel that maybe we don't

(35:05):
think about as much.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
George, Yeah, I'm glad you brought this up, Scott, because yeah,
she is a great player, Juju. And you know when
she went out last year and sidelined for after that injury,
like you guys said that, it really took the spark
away from a Southern cal but they still, like you said, Marvin,
they still got a great program. They're highly rated, they're

(35:30):
highly favored in the Big Ten race again this year
the Trojans.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
It's gonna be tough though. I mean, you know, to
take somebody of that magnitude and that ability and the
strength that she has both offensively defenses, and now she's
gonna be sidelined for the season, as you said, recovering
from that ACL. I just wish her the best, and
I'm sure that her eyes are focused too, probably on
a career as a professional with the WNBA. But let's

(35:57):
take first things first. You got to try to win.
You got pulled the team together as I know coach
will do, and pull it together and try to accomplish
feet number one, which is to win the Big Ten
title this year. But it's going to be a lost,
no question, Jacob.

Speaker 9 (36:14):
I have to say this, Marvin, how I am and
how right you are with Juju. I have to say
this part here. I was sad when I heard this,
sad because everybody was bringing up the the Caitlyn and
Angel Reese rivalry, which two different type players. I wouldn't
really calling that one. I always I never I wasn't

(36:35):
going against Angel. What I was saying was I wanted
Juju in the NBA and watch those two go at it.
Their styles are just so similar and everything like that,
and it's made me sad. It's a double said because
Caitlyn and Juju both had the injuries, you know, and
you have all this and it's like and you just
can't tell. And I kind of hate seeing this because

(36:57):
she absolutely positively she could have brought more rate that
and for the college game kind of like that from
what's because she has fun to watch. And what worries
it worries me now is because it always worries me
when somebody has a bad knee in college, whether it's football, basketball,
or whatever. How bad does it linger? Let's hope this

(37:17):
fixes it and she can have a long career because
she is fun to watch. I just hope it doesn't linger.
Going into the.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
W who's left.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I am good handy, So one of the things that
she said in her statement, these last few months have
been filled with a lot of healing, rest and reflection.
Recovering from this injury hasn't been easy, and I want
to say thank you. Your love, support and kind words
have truly lifted me up during one of the most
challenging times in my life. Because you've been with me

(37:48):
every step of the way. I wanted you to hear
it from me directly that, following the advice of my
doctors and trainers, I will sit out this season and
fully focus on continuing to recover so I can come
back to the game. I love. That had to take
a lot of guts, and that had to be hard,

(38:08):
But in the long run, she's better for it, because
sometimes people rush back from injuries, I think, and they
try and push themselves and they play and they re
injure or they're more prone to get injuries, or they
sustain what will become Mike could be a lifelong problem.
So I give her a lot of credit for her

(38:30):
to sit down and listen to the doctors and trainers
and say this is what's best for me and my
health above anything else, because you don't hear that all
the time. And I you know, I'm going to miss
her not being out there, but I hope she can
fully recover from this. You know, during this this year.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Marvin said it from the start to ju Wack Right, Okay,
Michael Jordan, Right, segue from what I need to say.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
All Right, I'll tell you what. Let's go to college football.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
Get this.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You want to talk about how far they schedule these
things out? The next Furthest contracting game is on September tenth,
two thousand and thirty nine. Troy, is that Army fifteen
years in advance? It's the furthest college football game on record,
and the schedule and the game is scheduled in twenty
four e Tommy, How does this stuff happen?

Speaker 7 (39:27):
They're scheduled that far ahead?

Speaker 5 (39:29):
You mean, yeah, they're organized.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, you think, I know you can follow the Army, right, Troy,
you gonna I don't know. I'm gonna be alive to
see it, but there'll be a different.

Speaker 7 (39:44):
One of the things.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
About Army football is they like to play a national schedule.
That's one of the reasons they ever reluctant to join
the Conference of the American Conference. And the same as
true of maybe before they went in is you know,
they have players all over the country. Every road game
they play is a homecoming for somebody on their roster, right,

(40:08):
and so they like to play across the country, and
they always had to have flexibility with the non conference games,
so now they have less flexibility. So maybe that has
something to do with scheduling a game of down in Alabama.
They like to schedule games near military bases too, so

(40:30):
it doesn't surprise me, and I don't see a problem
with it either.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Hey, Marvin, I know you're going to be in twenty forty.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Man, after you get done reading my book and you
keep making your progress in the broadcasting range, you're going
to be one of the four major networks anyhow, So
me who knows. Maybe you'll provide the color commentary for
this game. All I know is that by the time
they schedule this thing out way better than twenty forty,
I will be in a concrete nap up in Wisconsin.
I can assure you that I have a feeling. I

(40:58):
believe it.

Speaker 9 (41:01):
You're telling Kennedy she's failing in your.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Tah Not that woman here is anything. I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
She's the reason I'm still doing this stuff, because I
would be doing this. But yeah, I mean, Army a
truly a hundred percent run game in the old Earl.
There'll be one hundred percent running game at twenty forty
when I'm doing my concrete nowt mall be calling the
co colentary for this game. Marvin, what do you think
about when they scheduled this start of advance?

Speaker 8 (41:27):
Listen, Like Tom, I have tremendous respect for the Service
academies and their football team. Uh well aware of Army
and who they were in the nineteen forties Army, Navy.
And you know, I'm someone who has many family members,
like one of our last comments was from my cousin Earl,
who was in the Army. Many family members who serve

(41:49):
so absolutely got love for them. Listen, this is business.
They're they're they're figuring out their money and how they
can you know, stay relevant and play teams and play
big teams. This I don't think Troy is a big school,
but but you know, the way this thing's realigning and
with the way the money's being thrown around, they're just

(42:10):
trying to slid fight their spot, get their schedules straight,
and you know, just make sure that they have teams
to play in the future. Man, and get to get
something in writing, get something contractual. This is this is
just business.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I'm long record right now. In twenty forty, Jacob Christner
will have a star on the Hollywood Walk of thing.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
Well, I'll also be fifty eight years old with probably
a four to two year old in the house ring around.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
And by the way, Jacob, that's a segue for tomorrow's
show on No Limits. So yeah, all right, so what that?
So what do you think about them scheduling a college
football game that far out?

Speaker 7 (42:44):
Mr?

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (42:46):
Sort of? This is the thing. You're probably gonna see
this more and more as the time goes on. Like
when twenty thirty, twenty thirty five hits, you're probably gonna
see the next one in twenty fifty six. It's because
here's another thing to realize. Also, you you realize that
so people that did the scheduling before, like in the

(43:06):
years before that, years and years before that, were older.
Older people. Everybody that has these jobs now are younger.
They might be around for a while, they might be said,
they're probably thinking way far ahead like that they are.
You know, there are probably twenty five thirty year olds
doing this. They're probably thinking, well, they're gonna be ahead.
They're probably thinking fifteen to twenty years. You never know,

(43:28):
and by that point, the way things change, army might
be a army might be a four to three defense
with a with a big four hundred yard passers.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
And Bucky Morgan Ross will be going out there running
through breaking tackles.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Well, Boots will be all doing the tushbush. That's my
other cat those things.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Boots my touch Sedo Cant will be doing the tushbush,
and Bucky will be fly for.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
Tackless caring touchdown. Great stuff. I got no but I
gotta get my canceled there a little bit. And this
is perfect George getting any of this.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, this is an interesting discussion. I mean,
I know college football schedules are made up in advance,
but this is crazy non conference. Yeah, I've seen them
as far as seven years out, but you know, I
know that they already had game schedule they said, you know,
in you know, twenty thirty thirty one. This is really interesting, though,

(44:24):
because there has been a lot of good Service academy football,
let's be honest, in the past dozen years or so.
You know, it started with Air Force and then of
course Navies played very well. Armies played very well recently.
So in addition to all their academic and you know,
going through military school, et cetera, they have fielded some

(44:47):
darn good football teams. So I applaud Troy, which is
a small college. As you guys said, of going out
their years in advance with these specific goals in mind,
you know, to play to play Army and adding these
games to the future series. I think it's great stuff.
I really do.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
What are you candy for the small schools? This is
great marketing because this also helps you recruit because you've
scheduled some of these games way out in advance. So
kudos to them. I mean, I think that it's smart.
It gives them they know who they're going to be playing,

(45:26):
and it'll make it easier for the schedule makers.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Okay, well I'll tell you.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
Let me have one more thing about Army military football
in general, because this was such an interesting comment. Ruff
and McNeil used to be the head coach at East
Carolina and then he was late. In fact, his offensive
coordinator was Lincoln Riley, and when Lincoln Riley was the
head coach at Oklahoma, he brought rough and back with

(45:52):
him and one year Army played at Oklahoma and Oklahoma
had to go to overtime to beat them because Army
had controlled the ball so much. Kyler Murray was never
on the field and ruffin can you talk about going
against the academy teams, because he also had to play

(46:14):
Navy annually when he was at East Carolina, and he
said he used to always tell his players, these guys
are as heavily as recruited as you were. But let
me tell you this, they aren't gonna be afraid of you.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
That's a good one time. I love it.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Where you'll have more when you do the Shanahan Report
later as well. I'll tell you what we're gonna go
to some of the schedule way sooner than that game.
UNC and Butler will starting home and home series in
Chapel Hill during the twenty during the twenty twenty six
twenty seventh series. I'll tell you one thing, this will
be a pretty good little match up because when they
get to hankle Field House. You know, you talk about

(46:54):
where Hoosiers was filmed, but who's when you think of
Butler and North Carolina pretty interesting, Tommy, what do you
think about how that one was handled there? I kind
of like this I'm gonna treat by Butler and North Carolina.

Speaker 7 (47:05):
North Carolina's gonna play at Butler. Is that it?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Whether it's a home and home series between the two,
which actually starts on twenty twenty sixth seven.

Speaker 7 (47:15):
Yeah, it's great. It's not surprising coming from North Carolina.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
They have great tradition in North Carolina and great respect
for tradition and history.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
Hubert Davis goes back all the way to.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
You know, he was a.

Speaker 6 (47:30):
Player there and then a long time assistant coach and
so it's all connected with Dean Smith and Roy Williams.

Speaker 7 (47:37):
So it doesn't surprise me a bit. It's very typical
of North Carolina Candy.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
The teams obviously will play in Chapel Hill either November
or December twenty twenty six, before the Bulldogs host the
Tar Hills at Hinkle Fieldhouse in neither November or December
of twenty twenty seven. The two programs have a six
previous meetings. The teams first met during the nineteen twenty

(48:06):
eight twenty nine season, with Butler winning atk Hankle Fieldhouse.
U n C is one the only meeting that took
place at Chapel Hill back in ninety four. So the
three most recent games have all been played on neutral courts,

(48:27):
and North Carolina has been ranked among the top ten
nationally in each of the tips. But I just I
think it's I think it's good. I think it's good
for teams to play some of the noteworthy schools, and
you know that they haven't played in a long time,

(48:48):
so I think it's good to you know, bring some
new blood and some new matchups for us to like
and get excited for.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, when this one came up there, this was an
old brainer for sure. Thank you very much. We appreciate
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We enjoy having it in here. You're a great contributor
in the chat room. We need more, likely, Earl, so
great stuff. Your contributions have been nottually short about standing

(49:16):
with a five million exclamation points.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Thanks Earl. Here's the real deal, Okay, Mervin.

Speaker 8 (49:22):
This is great for college basketball. These are two proud programs,
obviously different level, Butler's a smaller school and uh, but
you know they've been to the national title in the
last five to seven years. I don't know how when
that was. They made a run and you know they
were on the national scene. People know who they are.
And Chapel Hill is again. Here we go up to

(49:43):
the third Segway Michael Jordan. You know Chapel Hill is
Chapel Hill, you know, so they are, you know, at
the mountaintop with Duke in Kentucky and that school across
town in Los Angeles. Uh, just as an all time team,
and you know, it'd be great, it'd be it'd be
great for the FA great further alum, and I look
forward to watching that game.

Speaker 9 (50:04):
Jacob Well, I love what he said. Army is the
way army, you know that kind of stuff. Just wait
till Spaceports gets a football team. Okay, they're really going
to take it, but come on, but no, the big
one of the things about it, I remember it was
twenty fifteen, I believe when Butler almost won that game
with a half four shot against Duke. But but the

(50:30):
but one of the things that we know. But one
of the things it was a twenty it was something today,
but it was really a little farther back when we think.
But one of the things that we see with Butler
is the fact that all of these times everybody's talking
about that they're a smaller team and stuff. How do
we know that that could be a powerhouse by that
point and like I mean, I came from a school
called Lee University in Tennessee, but I helped with a

(50:52):
movie called that Keep the Flame Alive their naia and
that was a miracle to make ANAA. Now they're full
fledged Division two. Who knows that they start winning go
D one. You know, even by I mean we go
back to these points, you never know, things go quicker.
So I mean Butler could be the powerhouse by that point.
We're talking smaller school right now, they could easily be

(51:13):
a powerhouse to win two national titles. We don't know,
And don't say no to that, George.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yeah, and just to follow up with what Candy was
saying in North Carolina Butler have met six times, but
you know, the two programs are completely different in many ways.
Obviously a big powerhouse against a smaller school. But you
know that Sweet sixteen of twenty seventeen, I believe it
was when the Tar Hills beat Butler in ninety two

(51:43):
to eighty. It says in Memphis, this is good and
it's not way out like the other series we talked about.
A football this is coming up rather quickly. As you
mentioned two O twenty twenty sixth season and the twenty
twenty seven back at Hinko. It's gonna be fun. And
Butler has done a nice job, let's face it, in

(52:03):
college basketball for many years now, they've done a really
good job. So I'm happy for them. And like you
guys were saying, who knows, maybe they'll be one of
the powerhouses back then. But obviously when you sign up
to play North Carolina, you better be ready because you
know it's going to be a hell of a game
and a hell of an effort, even if it is
a couple of years of the in the future. But

(52:24):
I'm glad they're doing this. This is great stuff.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Well, I like this matchup. I really do.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Talk about the Heagle Field House and history. Butler has
a much bigger history than most people really.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Think that they do. And we all know about UNC.
Everybody talk about this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
Okay, well good.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Let's go back to the first week of the college
football season when Ohio State brought in a bag I'll
tell you a week one versus Texas. Get this, they
got eighteen million bucks and I mean against the Texas Longhorns.
According to adve Rons Peyork, he told inside the boardroom

(53:00):
the game drove eighteen million in ticket sales and a
school record three million concessions. You talk about a home
run at the box office, Tommy, this one was definitely it.

Speaker 7 (53:13):
That's what was the best part about it.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
Because Texas has gone down hill ever since then started there.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
We're all talking more about them on Tuesday next week.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
But go ahead, yeah, well, Io State they have a
cash register there so and they just keep ringing it up.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Eighteen million dollars. It just blows me away.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Eighteen million in ticket, three million concessions, candy. What do
you think about this?

Speaker 3 (53:43):
I mean it was one of the premier matchups for
that weekend and everybody was talking about it for how long?
And so I mean they were going to sell out
of course everybody. You know, I believe was that a
day game or was it a night game? I don't remember.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
It was a day game.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
If I remember, I mean a day game. People are
gonna be thirsty. Let's face it, in the sun, you're
sitting in an outdoor stadium, you want sincessions are gonna
you know, skyrocket. Good kudos to Ohio State.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Mark.

Speaker 8 (54:18):
You know, when you see these see these kind of numbers,
you realize, uh, it's never not not about football. This
is big business, you know, and it blows my mind that,
you know, the storm is kind of quieted down a
little bit. The noise is quite a down about ni
L and you know, the people being upset because players
are getting paid. It blows my mind how much money

(54:39):
these players are generating, how many billions of dollars are
being generated on the backstage players and you have people
who really had a problem with them, you know, getting
this a piece of it, you know, whatever was whatever
was agreed upon in the settlement. The schools are making
over like a fat rat. You don't hear the presidents
and the ads complaining because they making big money. These

(55:00):
schools is making you know, two hundred million dollars plus
a year just on football, you know, the biggest it's
the biggest business on campus. So listen, doesn't surprise me.
These are mega programs, you know, these the these stadium
fees and the food and the drinks. Uh some of
this call these costs are high. And when you pack

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stadiums with a bunch of loyal, loyal fan base, they
gonna spend that money. And you see it. You know, listen,
we're talking about that game. Look at look at what
they make every game, regardless of who they're playing. You know,
these major programs. So this is big business. You know,
the numbers in the reality the business is now you
know being told we're seeing it and you know, good

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for the game, great for the players, Jacob.

Speaker 9 (55:48):
Look, no, that you got the wrong numbers there, Candy.
The eighteen million dollars is actually what went to Matthew
McConaughey to pump up the Texas to lose at the game.
But the but the the big thing, the big thing
about it is the fact that this is why, this
is why, that's you never know about being play like

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we were bringing up from the last time of who
can make it, who's going to have the money? See,
one of the biggest I can say this I brought
up my school earlier. They don't have a football team
and they won't. But one of the things that they
have reminded me of is years and years ago they
made a student union for like twenty five million from
Richard de Voss, who was who was with the Orlando Magic.
He went to the league, so he got that kind

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of thing. There's so you never know who goes to
these little schools who could put that kind of money
out there and make them big, very very fast. And
so Ohio State, so Ohio State getting that kind of money.
Of course, they paid the most to get the national
title this year. Can guy last year? Congratulations to him.
Texas pays the most to well get eight wins, Congratulations

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to them, you know. But the big the thing is
it is going to be the pay. And it's like
one thing that I hope from this and I hope
this happens, is I hope that some of these players
have better nil money, that they stay at these schools
for a while instead of going straight to the NFL.

Speaker 8 (57:14):
And I've already seen it, but you've already seen it's
already happening.

Speaker 9 (57:17):
And I hope that thing because I hope, du say.
I'm not saying this is part of the thing. I'm
saying this. I hope the shaduor Sanders thing is a
cautionary tale and they stay a bit. I really do,
because college college college football can only benefit from that,
get the better players.

Speaker 7 (57:34):
You know.

Speaker 9 (57:35):
It's like, I'm not saying that is bad or doing anything.
What I'm saying is just what happened. And the whole
ramifications of everything. I just hope people think about it
a little bit. Stay in college.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Hey, Tommy, I have a few more football topics. Can
you stay on for the rest of the football And no,
it's telling about ten or fifteen minutes.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Is that okay? It's a little bit too late for you.

Speaker 7 (57:53):
That's okay.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Yeah, I just want to make sure that's okay with you,
because I do have some football George, you got the
last word on this, and I have a few more
fule topics. And Tommy, as the Shanahan Report, we go
to basketball and non sports. He doesn't have to worry
about the rest of those. I just since he's on
inside the picks and I'm sure he gets a piece
of the pigskin action.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Okay, go ahead, George, Yeah, just it is.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
It's a college football is such a big business right now,
Like you guys have said, And that game was touted,
that was touted big time. Ohio State playing Texas and
last year the University of Michigan played Texas. This year
Michigan played Oklahoma. I'd like to see these games that
we normally don't see, these rivalries that have been unfortunately

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extinct for quite a number of years. I think this
is important to college football. The payouts are unbelievable. Well,
when you have big stadiums like that Michigan State and
I'm sorry Michigan and Ohio State and Penn State and Tennessee,
all these great, big stadiums, it's no wonder that these
payoffs are so huge. But the commercial aspect and obviously

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the advertising drives all these prices as well. And you know,
college football is just you don't like the farm team
of the NFL.

Speaker 8 (59:03):
So these big.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Payouts are going to continue and even get higher.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
I think, Yeah, George, immaciently, how you mentioned that too, Kandy.
I'll bring in a second.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
We're going to have a future segment on some of
the bigger stadiums on Inside the Pitchkin and how many
of our athletes on the show have been there.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
That's probably in about a week or two Maro and
just you know, in a couple of weeks, go ahead,
Candy could.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
The only thing I did want to add to all
of this discussion is is that back in January of
twenty twenty five, the Ohio State Athletics claims that they
operated the previous year with a thirty seven point seven
million dollar deficit, but they did not make revenue from

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all the you know we take. We talk about this
big business, all this football money comes in, but we
forget there's coaches salaries, there's all kinds of other expenses.
Nil trying to you know, figure out the whole scheme
of things. Ohio State, with all that money that they
took in last year, they operated on a deficit of
thirty seven point seven million.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Great sub Candie, all right, you know what, we'll go
to one more football topic. We'll go to a station break,
and then we'll have a couple more football topics go
than the Shanahan report will be.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
As time he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Gets ready to go, I could give us a little
review there. And that's just we started our evening off
with no limits. Now I have another thing related to
no limits. One armed on Northwestern running back has no limits.
Albert Kuneck the third hung is having a childhood dream
to play Division one football. So Albert Konnick the third

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is living out his childhood dream to play Division one football. Tommy,
what are your thoughts about? I told you I come
up with some interesting ones. Now we got a guy
with one armed with no limits with his division one
living on his foot Division one college football?

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
Is he a freshman? I haven't heard about this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I don't know, but Candy, knowing her, she'll find it.
But just think a guy with one arm playing division Well.

Speaker 7 (01:01:08):
Yeah what what?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
What doer?

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
What kind of a player? He was in high school
and end up in Northwestern? He had to be pretty good. Yeah,
it's a great story. More power to him, you know.
And he's not the first one though. The was it
Central Florida US You see f that had the guy with.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
The oh yeah yeah, Shaq Griffin. Right, yeah, there were.

Speaker 7 (01:01:31):
The two brothers.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
There was almost all American level player and then his
other His brother had a deformed arhim or something. But
he was a very good, good player, so may more
power to him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Hey let's say he's going to journalism school anyways, my gosh,
I mean, he's smart there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
He'll know what we talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
But the fact he's playing football, he will know exactly
what's going on. So I figured, hey, we got to
show with no limits. We've got to go out there
and probably their show in addition to talk about this guy,
Candy e anything on this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
I'm so doing research, So go ahead, Marvin listen.

Speaker 8 (01:02:06):
It is highly impressive. I'm highly impressed, and just speaks
to his passion and commitment and dedication. It's hard for
me to believe that a person with one arm can
compete in college football, just with my understanding of how
the game is played and what my mentality was as
a leading black as a run block and fullback. But

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kudos to him. It's great for the game, it's a
great story. It's going to inspire a lot of people
who are dealing with dealing with stuff much less than
what he has. So hey, good for you.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
Go get it Jacob in your backyard.

Speaker 9 (01:02:46):
Oh absolutely, I absolutely understand that. And let me tell
you this, mar between the fifty nine year old that's
played as a freshman in that college, the one armed guy.
You are ready for your comeback. I know you have
no pain whatsoever. I know I know you're into perfect shape.
You're ready. I know it's your time.

Speaker 8 (01:03:06):
I'm trying to get to the Hall of Fame of
podcasting with Scott. I'm chasing Scott right now. I'm not
chasing Tom Brady. I'm not chasing me.

Speaker 5 (01:03:14):
I'm chasing me. You're on my team. You're not chasing me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
You're with me, you know what I mean different wait
wait wait wait wait, And I'm a professor and you're
the people here, my brother, yeah, chasing me.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
You're on my team and you're winning. Brother, I don't
even go there. You're chasing. You're like Robert Redford. You're
the natural. If I ever saw one.

Speaker 9 (01:03:35):
Part of my point I'm gonna make here, this is
the part of the point I make here is gonna
be another subject real quick to just give me the
guys that warning. This just shows what physical training does now.
We have a one armed man going into football, and
you have a fifty nine year old going into football.
You had all those I just saw. I mean I

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just saw d DP helping Lex Luger get off the
wheelchair from yoga for you know, and it's like I
saw him. He got he literally got off of he's
getting him off of a wheelchair to try to get
him to walk from yoga. It's like it's like there
are It just shows the advancements of physical training now

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and what the things that you can be able to do.
I mean there are things like Parkinson's Hey, new boxing
classes and music classes. It's like there, see the thing
is now anybody that says they can't do it. Before
they would say can't do it. And it's like you
have a fifty percent thing. If somebody's saying, yeah, you're right,
but you have YouTube, you have all these things now

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showing that that's wrong. That's just you, that's just you
being lazy. So there, everybody has that option. Everybody has
that thing to put that extra mile. So it just
shows that right now, George.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Or who hasn't this?

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Yeah, I yeah, just real quick, uh yeah, this is
a This is great. You know. I always love to
see the kids trying out and pushing himselves even more
and more. You know, sometimes on your local newscast too,
you'll see where a high school team one of the
kids is in a special needs program of some sort,
and they'll help him, you know, with the with the
huddle and then you know, carry him across the goal

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line and that kind of stuff, you know, which is great.
This this, I applaud this young man. I think this
is a great thing to do. And I know I'm
comparing amples and oranges, but boil boy. When you have
an injury like that, whether you're in sports or just
everyday life, I mean, your challenge is out there, So
I think it's great. I give the kid all the

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credit in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
All right, Katy, so he he, Okay, we're gonna go
back to high school. First of all, he attended Lamont
High School in Lamont, Illinois. In his senior season, he
rushed for one thousand, three hundred and ninety three yards
nine point one yards per carry, and scored twenty two

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rushing touchdowns and two receiving touchdowns, leading Lamont to Class
six A State quarterfinals, first team All State in the
second round of States. In his senior campaign, he scored
six touchdowns also served as a kicker for Lamont. Now

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twenty twenty two, he did not see any game action
with Northwestern twenty twenty three. Red shirt first year. He
made his college debut against UTEP twenty twenty four red
shirt shirt sophomore. Appeared in three contests as a red
shirt sophomore, logged his first career carry for three yards
in the fourth quarter of a win against Maryland. He

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came on as a north came to Northwestern as a
preferred walk.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
On great stuff. All right, let's go to New York.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Russell Wilson had lost eighth street games the last time
he had ended obviously dating back to December eighth of
twenty twenty four, The Giants of Benjamin Favorite of Jackson Dart.
We all know full well, Tommy, that this was a
way for Brian Dable to try to save his job.
And I realized that Dart, Lawson, Norley and Saints. But

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that's a have up in New York with the Giants.
My goodness, it is really Russe Ledden up there, Russell Wilson.
We all know what's going to be traded by the
end of the year. Jackson Dark a good player, Ryan Davill,
Wi'll get used to what unemployment it's going to be.
Like I said, won't be long, because even Dart's not
gonna say it. What are your thoughts about what's going
on with the Giants, Tommy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
Well, Russell Wilson was done last year and as soon
as you how desperate the Giants were that they.

Speaker 7 (01:07:37):
Even signed him. Jackson Dart has got to be their future.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
And they've they've screwed up their succession plan for a
quarterback and they got themselves with an empty quarterback room
and now they're forced to play this rookie and hopefully
they don't get him beat up. And from what I understand,
I haven't watched him play, but what I understand, he's
been very promising in the playing time he's had Candy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
How interesting though, that they had Russell Wilson. Remember they
also have Jameis Winston, and Cincinnati went shopping for a
quarterback and they didn't look at either of them. They
went with Joe Flacco from Cleveland. So that's really interesting Wilson.

(01:08:28):
As much as I loved Wilson because he, yes, he
played one year at Wisconsin did well, I just I
don't think he has that fire in his you know,
within him anymore. And I think it's it shows and
sometimes you you outlast really what you should. And maybe

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it's just time for him to retire. But yeah, that's.

Speaker 8 (01:08:59):
You know, it's funny we talk about Flacco. I think
they're at the same point of their career right now.
Both of these guys super Bowl champions, and both these
guys were franchise quarterbacks and now it looks like they're
both journeymen, you know, just going to you know, be
bridge quarterbacks, you know, for for ten fifteen million dollars
a year. You know, it's sad because Russell. You know

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in that Cowboy game he do for four hundred and
fifty yards. You know, he's made some plays. You know,
he's looked okay at times. Jackson Darts to the future,
you know, Dave balls trying to save his job. As
you said, Scott, he's going with the young gun. There
are twelve more games to be played. There's a lot
of football to be played. This kid will gain more

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confidence every game. The game will slow down a little bit.
But at the same time, when these defense again, when
these defensive coordinators kind of figure out what you can
do and what you can't do, they're going to force
your hand to put you in a bad position. And
they can do that. They do that. So this would
be interesting. It would be Listen, if they win, if

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they want to run and they win the last eight
games of the season, maybe they have some If they
go on you know, they going to run and they
go six and two last eight games of the season,
we'll see. But Dart's a player. He was good at
USC and I think he'll be okay to pros.

Speaker 9 (01:10:19):
Jacob, Well, just think of it this way. You've got
Jackson Dart and you've got Camp Scataboo, and they're like
and they're like wine from the wine from Costco, the
exciting whites. But but the but the big but you know,
But the thing is they're gonna be fun. They're gonna
be They're gonna be fun to see. New York giants
usually don't have a whole lot to look forward to.

(01:10:41):
I mean, they get excited two years in a row
for Tommy DeVito because they could do this. They can
do this all the time, and they can talk about
the cutlets and they go have all that kind of stuff.
That's how bad offense bends they're gonna have regardless of
how they do the rest of the year, they're gonna
have fun there. Scoutaboo, I mean he eats crayons and

(01:11:02):
paste and his bags through yet he just he has
actually no brain with the game whatsoever. He's just he's
fun to watch like that, and dark he runs and
he I mean, he makes some good plays and he's
definitely reading the field better than Russell Wilson. I mean,
but one good thing about Russell Wilson, at least I
had time to do that. Do more dips on the sidelines, George.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
I'm not giving up totally on Russell. But boy, it
sure looks to bleak right now with the Giants. I mean,
you know, he had those great years like you were
talking about Marvin in Seattle and then Denver for a
couple of years, and Pittsburgh of course, and that didn't
work out either a year ago. Yeah, his numbers just
are out there. The numbers have dropped so much. His
his completion rates and his interceptions has increased, and even

(01:11:50):
his yards average on a pass has decreased the last
few years. A great career, but he just doesn't seem
I think you're right, Candy. No fire in the belly,
as they say, maybe there's something lacking there. I know
he's got, you know, a home life, but all the
players have that. He's got a wonderful family, I'm sure,

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And I don't know. I mean, at his age, it
doesn't look good right now. And I think the Giants
are doing the right thing, Scott and bringing the youngster
on board and starting him instead.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Well, I'll summarize it this way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Russell Wilson should have been with the Raiders and he
should have been with Pete Carroll and I'll leave it
at that. So Tommy two more football topics to get
to than to Shanahan report. That will take it the
rest of the way. Number One, we all knew that
Baltimore Rats were a train wreck earlier in the year
because an opening week they had collapse to the Buffalo
Bills and now had bloom. Excuse me, John Harball has

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now blown seventeen double digit half leads, the most by
anti coach since nineteen ninety one. Now the narrative gets
even worse. Okay, the Ravens are on pace to become
the first team to allow six hundred points, and through
Week five, the Ravens have allowed one hundred and seventy
seven points. And they've gone out there and had one

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hundred and sixty five last all of last season. So
let's get back to the first one. Blowing a seven
blown seventeen double digit second half leads as unbelievable and
Tommy it is on call for.

Speaker 6 (01:13:28):
Yeah, you know, coaches lose their ads, franchises lose their
touch on drafts developing players. That seems to all be
happening at Baltimore. I feel sorry for Lamar Jackson. I've
always loved him since he was in Louisvio. I always
remember at the ACC kickoff media days after he won
the Heisman Trophy, people, he was being questioned about.

Speaker 7 (01:13:50):
The pressure he was under, I gotta win another Heisman?
What kind of pressure he faced? And Lamar Jackson said,
I wasn't trying to win it last year.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
The boar was like Jim Since said, and apparently his
super Bowl window is closed.

Speaker 7 (01:14:07):
So I feel sorry for that for Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah, and Candy. Some talks about what's going on in Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
This might not be a popular opinion, but my question
to all of you is, if they've blown so many
first half leads, what are the coaches doing at halftime?
What are they not doing? What are the opponents coaching
doing at halftime to make the adjustments to be able

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to stop them and to be able to come back
against them. So I put a lot of that on
coaching because if you, you know, you obviously coached well
in the first half because you have the lead, what
did you change or what did the other team change
to come bat you to be able to come back
on you in the second half?

Speaker 8 (01:14:58):
Great points, Katy all right, Marvin Candy hit it on ahead.
Halftime is all about adjustment. It's all about adjustments, and yeah,
this is a football is a game of chess. You know,
you get out there at these big old brutes and
you see, you know, you see you see them beat
each other up. But it's a chess match, man, Believe me.
It is a lot of a lot of details, and
and those halftime of adjustments are everything. So what you're

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seeing is the Ravens being out coached at halftime and
in that moment, and it's it's showing up in the
scoreboard and it's consistent and it's so there's a problem there.
And with that said, it doesn't help when you know
when your two time m v p UH, you know,
in regards to this year, your two times m v
p UH isn't playing, and that your your top six

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highest paid players are not playing. That's tough. You know,
it's tough to win in the NFL, in the salary
cap NFL where your six highest paid players are on
the bench. So listen until they get healthy, specifically specifically
at quarterback, this could be really ugly. And regardless of

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aim I mentioning to get in the first half, if
they're getting out coach like this and they don't have
their quarterback and they don't have the top six guys
they're paying. This could be very ugly for Baltimore. And
you can see the conversation of Harborough getting out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Yeah, no question about it, Jacob he Candy, I can
sort of answer this for you.

Speaker 9 (01:16:27):
Whatsoever? You got to remember why is he blowing so
many Look at the game plan they have for Lamar
by itself, which looks awesome. First quarter, second quarter, stuff
like that. There go twenty eight fourteen, let's just say
that kind of thing. At a halftime, they look great.
In the middle of all that movement, he gets fifteen
minutes to rest. That's not enough for what he's doing.

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That's not enough of what he's doing for that kind
of deal. And then they're asking him to do the
same game plan. Meanwhile, the defense has probably put a
spy on it. Meanwhile, he's now gonna throw. Meanwhile, all
that stuff happens, especially with teams to get with KC, Buffalo,
all those ones they can just wait and hold. And
that's why the deal is. It's like it's when Greg

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Roman was there. I always used to say Greg Roman
was Techno super Bowl when it came to Lamar. He
had four plays, the same four plays over and over
because everything was fun to watch. But these are the
these are the issues that they have, whatsoever is And
the same thing happened used to happen to a lesser
extent with Michael Vick. It's like once he was so

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great against a lot of teams, Once he played Chicago,
Tampa Bay or Philadelphia, they just threw a spy on
him and he was dead. He won absolutely zero of
those games. Are those type of games, whatsoever. And once
you have a certain game plan that you can be
able to get, you can wait till they tire out.
You can wait till they get to their weakness. And

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that's what's happening. And John Harball, I think he is
a pretty darn good coach. He's been for a good
long time. But he got one of the biggest things.
He got cocky with this kind of he got cocky
with this kind of this kind of talent I liked.
I liked Lamar. I like when they used to I

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used to get insulted when they compared to Lamar to
Michael Vick. Is I always thought he was way better
than Michael Vick. He is that skilled. But he got
cocky with that, and he just keeps with that same
game plan over and over. Does that change it up?

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Okay, George, that's a very good point, Jacob. You're right.
You've got to change up. You've got to adapt in
the NFL. You can't just keep throwing the same thing
out there. Listen, I'm not gonna blame Lamar. I mean,
you know, in four games, I mean he's got ten touchdowns,
one interception. I mean, he's still pretty good on past
average nine yards a pass. The running game is not there,

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like you said earlier, and you know, Baltimore, I mean,
this is to me, this is shocking. I really they
had a tough schedule, no question about it, but I
expected a lot more out of them. They still can
salvage this, but boy o boy, they're going to have
to solve issues and they're gonna have to diversify that
offensive scheme defense, and they got tightened that up for sure.
So it's a very surprising stat I didn't think they

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were going to start out one and four, Scott, but
they have.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Well it's definitely a mass but you know, we're gonna
share with the Baltimore team a little bit, but we're
gonna the final football. Now Tommy's going to do his
thing with the Shanahan report. Okay, I want to make
sure Tommy Ditch is due on that, because you're the
weal of a job.

Speaker 7 (01:19:25):
Whip it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Okay, but let's talk about the Baltimore Ravens, but in
a different way. The Detroit Lions in primetime drew twenty
two million, eight hundred and seventeen thousand versus the Ravens,
the most watched Monday night game since two thousand and six.
Get that unbelievable. You talk with the Lion made a draw.
My goodness, Tommy Day twenty two million and get one,

(01:19:50):
and we'll take it a step further. The Detroit Lions
are twelve and two and then primetime games under head
coach and Campbell.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
And were they.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Playing on Sunday night at Kansas City in prime time
on NBC. My goodness, these numbers don't lie. I can't
make them up. I know where my research is. Twenty
two million, eight hundred and seventeen thousand did get you
a lot of numbers in the lottery. If that isn't
good enough, Dan Campbell is twelve and two, Mark gets
you a few more they's called a pre digit number
of people. Tommy, what's your take about the Lions in

(01:20:21):
prime time? They're definitely good watch, aren't they.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
Well, Detroit has always been a great sports town, and
then Michiganers been migrating across the country for a half
century since the decline of the auto industry. So you
got Michigan, you got Michigan fans everywhere, Detroit fans everywhere.
The Lions have also been a captivating team with Dan Campbell,

(01:20:47):
and they've for ways and so they were.

Speaker 7 (01:20:54):
Down for so long.

Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
It's surprising from that standpoint, But if you know the
history of Detroit teams to attract national interest, it's not
surprising from that standpoint.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Katy, I'm gonna I'm gonna say, except for the NFC
North fans, I think a lot of other fans out
there know the rise of the Lions, that they have improved, improved,
and they've been an underdog for so long that I

(01:21:28):
think they have a lot of fan base out there
that they're gonna root for their team. But then they're
gonna root for the Lions because they want to see
them do well because they haven't had the history of
doing as well. Yes, these last couple of years they have. Now,
I will say I don't think that a lot of
the other NFC North teams are thinking that way, But
I think a lot of the other fans of a

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lot of the other teams, Detroit might be their second
team that they're rooting for because they've been such an
underdog and they like they can relate to Dan Campbell
and how he's motivating his team and he's a likable coach,
and so I think that has a lot to do
with it as well.

Speaker 8 (01:22:08):
All right, Uh, I was thinking the exact same thing.
I think. I think the casual football fan likes Dan Campbell.
I think they like that blue collar grit, you know, guy.
I think I think that that football, that old school
football coach. You know, he gives you a little Mike Dick.
He gives you a little bit of you know, the

(01:22:28):
eighties Chuck. He's just he's a he's a tough guy
and he's uh, he's simple, and he's successful. He's successful.
I think people like that, you know. It's it's so
much different from what you get, you know, uh, compared
to you know, the coach in Miami or from Belichick
or you know, it's a little bit of Mike Tomman.
I think I think there's a little bit of Mike

(01:22:49):
Tomlin and him. So in Detroit, listen, we we we
love on Underdog. We love a comeback story with that question.
In Detroit is somebody who you know back in the
fifties there they they had a team back in the fifties,
but they're they are the hot new thing and Detroit
is becoming a fan favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
I think Jacob, you have a good point on this.

Speaker 9 (01:23:14):
Marvin. And here's the thing I've let me say this
about like I was saying with Detroit and I was
taking to this with Miami. It's called must see TV.
Detroit is must see TV, but every bit of Detroit
is a must see TV. You have a badass coach
with a huge arms, who looks who looks like he

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looks like he's gonna beat up every referee gives him
the wrong to call, and then you've got this exciting
offense and this then pretty rugged defense and everything goes right.
And they are photogenic and their and their jerseys and
their uniforms are cool. Everything looks cool. It's bright on TV.
It looks nice, and in truth, the Miami Dolphins are

(01:24:00):
a Dan Campbell away as far as because it's South Beach.
They just got a shrimpy little They got a shrippy
little the Harvard guy or whatever and sweats doing their thing.
He's not very photogenic. He's tiny. You know, it's the
refereence could beat him up and put him in a closet.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Hey, Jacob, just let me tell you one thing. Once
upon a time, Dan Campbell was the interim coach on Dolphins.
Was five and seven wasn't good enough?

Speaker 9 (01:24:24):
Yeah, exactly. But that's but that's the but that's the
thing I'm bringing. It's like they are the Dan Campbell
away like bringing. But the reason Detroit gets those they
must see TV bright. I mean they it's like, like you said,
everything about him looks good. They're fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
I'll say one thing. Turnover to George and Tommy gets
the Shanahan Report number one. Mike to Rico, you're in
for a treat because you didn't because you remember the
last time you did this matchup. Oh that they would
have had Travis Kelts, they would have won. Guess what
they have Travis Kelce. Mike to Rico, back air, let's
redo it again. So I have a feeling of line

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we'll win. Yes, you're right, and number to name me
one coach in this league that has an Applebee's commercial
and does it as well as Dan Damble.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
Nobody, people, nobody. But I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
I salute to Tommy for hanging in there for those
extra few minutes, even though I said an hour. But
he's been a trooper. But we had to get the
football stuff in because he's not in time to pick.
And I appreciate you saying on a little bit longer, Timmy.
But now the Shanahan Report brought to you, boy, Tom,
go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
Yeah, go to my website, Tom Shanahan and don report
and you can learn about my books. What I want
to mention before I signed off is I was scrolling
through Twitter today and Awful Announcing had a post about
how North Carolina and Hulu canceled their documentary series because

(01:25:51):
North Carolina is a dumpster fire. Of course, there's no
story to tell, but Awful Announcing put on the Twitter
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to him, please off all announce and contact me.

Speaker 7 (01:26:10):
Let me tell you about the.

Speaker 6 (01:26:11):
Documentary we have development based on my second book, The
Right Thing to Do, the two pioneers of college football
integration in the nineteen sixties. There's nothing fluff about it.
It's about straightening out history and overcoming the media ignorance

(01:26:31):
that Bear Bryant led the way in college football integration.
Bar Bryant was a follower, not a leader. Everything. Almost
everyone in the South had black players before Alabama and
the nineteen seventy USC game.

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
It's complete fiction.

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And so check out my website and if you want
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Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
And Tom Shan hands on inside the picture and every
Tuesday night and ain't thirty pm mes her time. He's
kind of enough to go out there and come on
with us here on the Sports of Change toys some one. Tom,
We appreciate you. Hope you've enjoyed the show. Hey talking
on here. Take him as one quick question. Hey, Tom,
here's one big thing.

Speaker 9 (01:27:20):
Now that I've met you, I now know what it
would be like to do a show with Harry Carry
that's sober. You got the glasses, you got the hair,
you've got the energy, you got it all.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
Shacob.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Okay, Hey, Tommy, I can't thank you enough for doing
this and saying on a little bit longer than initially.
I hope you enjoy a few acts for a few minutes,
but want to get the football out there and give
you more time on the Shanna and Report. Now we're
so you've been in a tremendous edition Tuesday Night, and we
love having you on this show as well. And Earl
Kinsey said he loves you. Tom You got another fan
out there if you love him so much, follow the

(01:27:55):
Shannan Report.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
We love you anyways, Earl. But there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
You got fan out there, Tommy, because hey, that extra
mile Gobbless. Tommy's one of my favorite people. I met
him in North Carolina. We've been for instance. You know,
we're both authors. All right, Tommy, have a good night.
See you on Tuesday Night. Every great weekend, my friend.

Speaker 7 (01:28:09):
Okay, thanks, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Thank you, Tommy. All Right, so there are five of us.
What's left. We're gonna talk a little bit of NBA
and that's that's okay. To sant Antonio's first hire.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
You forgot you forgot me about the Lions.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
Oh that's right. Well, we had to get time in there.
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Well, you know, what can we say the Lions fans
have suffered for so long. Those numbers are huge, huge following.
Uh as you mentioned Scott on the national telecast of
Sunday Night Football and Monday Night. They're going to be
on against Tampa in a couple of weeks. And you know,
all these prime time love, it's all prime time love.

(01:28:49):
But I agree with what's been said. You know, people
identifying with coach, they're identifying with the players. Uh, you
know Stafford and golf and that whole story, you know,
and and uh Saint Brown being way down in the
draft pecking order. There's great stories there, Hutchinson. So yeah,
it is. Somebody joked what a couple of weeks ago
and says, is a Hawaiians the New America's team. Well,

(01:29:13):
the numbers are showing that they might just be.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
See, George got to double those of my town tonight.
I gave him a I threw him a bone with
the Tigers and he got the Lions.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
That I go on. You'all feel pretty good. Keep up
the good research might throw you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:28):
Now we're going to the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Then we have some a couple of bone or basketball
topics when I want to tell me to do what
he had to do, and we'll go to San Antonio's
first hired assistant, Mitch Johnson as a franchise head coach
outoger for interim coach Greg Popovich in November, obviously the
top of his successor. I still think Becky Hammond should
have gotten a job. That's just my opinion, and we've

(01:29:51):
talked about it before. Nevertheless, what they're able to do
is maintain continuity to with the line laid up I
Popovich and CEO R. C. Bufort, as well as GM
Bryant Wright who was hired in the same twenty sixteen season,
and Johnson.

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
Some thoughts about this.

Speaker 8 (01:30:10):
Marvin, Listen, we've been talking about culture all night, Duke.
You know, being able to have continuity and being able
to have a real good exchange and how important that
is for culture. You know, I mentioned Green Bay quarterback situation.
They've had farvarand Rogers. You know, they got that position
right and it's crucial. You know, Steelers, Pittsburgh Steelers and

(01:30:31):
their coaches, you know, so the San Antonio Spurs are
an organization who have gotten it right for a long time.
I absolutely think this is the move. I don't listen.
I'm not a San Antonio fan. I don't even know
this coach, but I trust their culture. So this is
the right move and I look forward to seeing what
they do with Winmbin Yama.

Speaker 9 (01:30:53):
Jacob, you said, who'd you say, miss Johnson? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know. The big thing is the big thing is
you got to remember something I wanted Becky Hammond also.
But the one thing that san Antonio knew all these years,
and as we're saying fan players and everything is consistency.

(01:31:17):
They had pop for so long. You don't want one
year and out. It absolutely, I mean I talked to
San Antonio fans at the time. It shocked San Antonio
fans that Tim Duncan was one game and out. As
far as coach, it shocked them because they thought he
would have a he would be the one that bypassed
even think that thought he had one. He had one game,

(01:31:40):
one win, and that's his career. So they're so used
to that consistency that you know, all that kind of stuff,
so you have to build it. The thing about Webbin
Yama that worries me, though, Marvin. The one thing that
worries me is that he doesn't have the regular usual
injuries that seven to five guy has. He's had he
had blood clots. Will those hold up? Will those hold up?

(01:32:04):
I mean get that. I mean we saw from an old,
much older man with dion He's had to have a
four hour surgery and it's like and he and may
mean this is a twenty one and twenty twenty one
year old that had to take three months off something
along those lines, something like those like last year because
of blood cuts. Those aren't easy. Will it hold off?

Speaker 8 (01:32:27):
We're gonna find out. I don't know, but that is relevant, Jacob,
that is relevant.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
Okay, Candy, I know we all, I mean, you guys
have talked about Becky Hammond getting the job. I'm not
sure the NBA is ready to have a female as
a head coach yet. I just don't. I just don't know.
Popovich brought him Johnson in for a reason. Heir apparent

(01:32:54):
coach him, mentor him. I hate that was their game plan.
Uh when will we see? Uh? Now, I will say this,
I think Becky Hammond was qualified to be a head
coach in the NBA. But again, I'm just not convinced
that the NBA is ready for that. I mean, let's

(01:33:16):
let's face it. Even Don Staley said talked about that
when she didn't get hired either.

Speaker 9 (01:33:23):
So yeah, but Candy, let me say this, Don Stanley
is a phenomenal college coach. She is a phenomenal college coach.
I mean, Becky Hammond has not only has she done
done pro, she's done pro men and won them. Yeah,
it's like and it's like if they're I mean even

(01:33:43):
it was almost an insult to me to see them
in an interview Don Stale. It's not because of her
coaching ability, that's absolutely not. It's just the fact. It's
just the fact that it's like pros in college is
completely a different man, but a breed of animal, and
men and women are different animal. And they just put
that in And it's like, if you're not ready to

(01:34:06):
put Becky Hammon when somebody, when she has already won
even a minor title with men, then you're ready for
no one, You're ready. You're not ready for anybody to
do it. If you're not going to for a woman
for a that because she is the most qualified, she's
the only qualified one.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
I agree.

Speaker 9 (01:34:24):
So that's just their thing. It's like it just shows
whatsoever why they put them. Here's the thing you put
Don Staley and this is the thing. You picked them wrong.
And I don't think Becky Hamm is wrong because she
has people that knew her and she could have done
that job. If you picked the wrong woman to do
this with this type of deal, remember kim ink situation.
We talked about this last week with Miami and literally

(01:34:46):
got to a playoffs and they tried to get her
help and then she's out and they've been horrible since
they did. They insulted her. And look if they put
if what if they put Don Staley and she bombed
with the Knicks, especially that close to the NBA finals.
I mean, you're not gonna see another woman for a
very long time. We're already not seeing it in the
in the major leagues. So this has to be the

(01:35:08):
right choice when you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
So, Mike, I'm partial for the Detroit Lions. Okay, all right,
So I'll we'll turn over the George last word and
have one more WNBA topic and when you get to well,
I'm sure we'll have time for fund It's fundit and
two non sports topics as well. There won't be that complicated.
Dull George, what's your thoughts on this higher.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
I think it's a good one. You know, similar to
what we talked about the beginning of the show with
Duke's Mike Shershsky. You know, the situation is in the
pros is obviously not the same as college. But you know,
Johnson was a former player, okay, number one, number two
when he was the G League coach, they won the
title and that was called the Austin Spurs, and then

(01:35:50):
they added him to the coaching staff I believe in
twenty nineteen there at San Antonio, and so he's had
time to work with George, and I really do think
that I'm sorry, Greg, excuse me, I'm George. I think
he said some time, he's gotten to know the players,
He's gotten to know a lot of the younger players,
being with the G League as he was, and so

(01:36:12):
I think, you know, yeah, he deserves an opportunity here,
and you know, Papa bitch, big huge shoes to fill.
I agree with what you guys said about him, and
I wish you would have got it too, But I
think Mitch Johnson deserves this and let's see, let's see
what he can.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Do, George, there was a there was a term on
that last so called punch drunk.

Speaker 5 (01:36:34):
Maybe as you get later in this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Thing, you get yeah, yeah, all right, well anyways, sorry, Jacob,
let me get to a w NBA topic.

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
You know it's good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
So I get punted in here shortly, okay, and that's
this front office George reporters. The w NBA brooke their
season season record. Actually they did it in August set
in two thousand and two a two point four million fans.
This number was still nearly a was a month ago.
Candy want to come up with the final number. Nevertheless,
they still broke it with a month ago in the year. Margaret,

(01:37:06):
does that tell you about the popular and the growth
in the league? I know they make the bargaining agreement
to work out, but and Harold, I don't know if
you heard me, but lions on parcel for them ahead, Marvin.

Speaker 8 (01:37:15):
No, they need it. They need it because the numbers
were horrible and the w n b A wasn't really
getting the viewers and the attendance, uh that people thought,
you know. So the fact that they're a month out
and they're breaking records and they're doing this with Caitlyn
Kark on the bench. Uh, you know, because they put
a lot of that on her, and she is she's
a huge part of that, I think as a whole.

(01:37:37):
But you know that's significant. You know, these these players
want to be paid more. As you said, they're heading
into the the c b A and uh, there's there's
a lot of uh, there's a lot of state for
these for these for these young ladies. There really is.
So for them to get their numbers up and to
show that they're able to fill the stands or bring
people in. Uh, for them to be able to have

(01:37:57):
some kind of viewership. You know. I don't know what
they're merch is, but any positive, anything, any positivity in
regards to any of the metrics for them is good.
And right now, you know, it's looking like they'll have
some type of leverage in these agreements, I guess. So, yeah,
it's good. I'm happy to see it, you know, And
I'm looking forward to seeing Kaitlyn get healthy and play
again and looking forward to seeing Angel and in a

(01:38:21):
year from now.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
Juju Watkins, great soft eld. Glad you got me. Okay,
that wasn't sure? All right? So yeah, Angel Reese another
fates of the w n B. All right, clear in mind,
Jacob pund pundit is on the line, just kidding.

Speaker 9 (01:38:36):
Yeah, you're good, You're no. That's the big thing about
it is Kathy Engelberg just made the worst mistake in
the world. So, I mean, they've they've gotten these they've
gotten these numbers. Don't get this wrong. I mean, Caitlyn
did start up, but give them credit. They got these numbers,
you know what I mean, they got these numbers to
further the league. So they've got that OS leverage. But

(01:38:58):
when she they'll win. The Collier is a Collier. A Collier, Yeah,
the Pisa Collier basically was talking about I mean she
with the End of the Year. With the End of
the Year interview, Kathy Engelbert says that it's like, well,
the Kitlyn should be thankful that the w that gave

(01:39:20):
her the platform to make sixteen million dollars. And I'm like,
are you out of your mind? Yeah, it's like literally,
I mean it's just I mean, she started everything. What
we see on is the piece of Collier admits it,
basically admits it. She was not happy to hear that,
and it's like, I will gonna make a prediction. I
think kn'thy Engelbert has to go before there's even any

(01:39:40):
kind of deal. I think there's gonna be a lot.
I think it's gonna be gone. They're not gonna play,
they're not gonna they're not going to train, they're not
gonna do anything. They're gonna they will leave before she
gets back there. I think she's gonna have to go now.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
I wouldn't be surprised that it happened soon. I've been
reading the tea leaves on that. All right, Candy, so
up paid here. Then we have Georgia and I have
a couple of non sports I want to get to.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
They'll get one. Wanted to wrap up the show, like, Candy,
what are you at?

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
I'm looking at it because I've found two different figures.
So they were saying that they eclipsed three million. The
last time they outdrew back in two thousand and two
was the second highest, but they had six sixteen teams
then and they only have thirteen teams now. I can

(01:40:25):
say that a lot of it has to do with
all these name players that we're all we're hearing about now,
and yes we did we have the distractions, but I
think distractions also brought more attention to the WNBA.

Speaker 8 (01:40:40):
You know, yes, the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Caitlin Clark, Yes she was injured for part, but bringing
her in and bringing Angel reeson and some of these names,
and some of these names have good marketing teams because
they also have their own lines of whether it be
a shoe or whatever it is. But they're doing they're

(01:41:02):
doing it the right way. So kudos to them for
breaking their single season record.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
Okay, George, Yeah, I mean, you know, I think they're
going about it the right way. I agree with what
you guys said. I mean, anytime you can get ABC
and ESPN and you know CBS is doing games and
other networks, I mean, I think it's a good thing.
And I think attendance is being driven by these stars
that you've already mentioned. So I mean, the television ratings

(01:41:28):
are going to be great. They instand attendance. I know
it's not comparable to the professions the professionals in the NBA,
but don't forget the w n b A has not
been around as long, but now they're finally getting more
notoriety because of these stars that are coming out of
college and and going right into the w n b

(01:41:51):
A and it's great, great, it's a great show, and
it's a great, great value for your price. If you
want to take your family to a wa NBA game,
I heck them a lot cheaper than going to the NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
How would you know, because you get press passes. Sick
to man, don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Oh, I know, all right, Tom, all right, while you're ahead, Icorn,
all right, but I agree with you. I corns right.
I'm just like I haven't given him a hard time
much lately because he's been good, So all right, it's okay,
all right, Well, don't don't forget Sophie Cunningham. She she
knows how to knock a few people around here to
protect Caitlin Clark, who I consider. Yeah, the league, and
of course we know payd Beckers is gone have a

(01:42:29):
future part of it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
But I'll go ahead, Marmur anything you want to add
to it.

Speaker 8 (01:42:33):
Not all all good points, you know I spoke earlier.
It's a situation where it's great for the players. They
need as many fans and a reason to get paid
because this CBA is going to control the next decade
and you know they need a good deal.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
So all right, non sports compic time here. We'll save
them to the end. A man who bought an airline
ticket lifetime passes saved two point three seven mill million
dollars and travel over twenty million miles. Not too bad,
Marvin good this. I'm telling you airline lifetime paths that
say two point three seven million dollars and travel twenty

(01:43:09):
million miles.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
I can handle that. What about you, Mark Man?

Speaker 8 (01:43:12):
That's a that's a serious deal. How much did he pay?

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Let's see, he saved two point three seven million and
travel over twenty million. That's the most of my information.
But an airline pants, I don't have that information. But
no mo, she digs up everything. Anyways, all right, take it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Not a bad way to travel? You can say two
point three seven million bucks.

Speaker 9 (01:43:30):
I don't know what I mean. I understand, No, I
understand the whole thing. And then they threw a bit
and pull it away, and I'm like, that's your guy's fault.
Just take it, so let him do it till he dies.
It's like, oh, we're saving our money. No, you did this.
You gotta you need to eat it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
Anything can I'm working on a getting all.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
Right, George go ahead while our crack. The researcher goes
in digs it up.

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
Oh, there's some big money. You had big travel dollars.
But no, I hey, I think it's doing the right thing.
You know. Those miles accumulate, you know, and stuff like that,
and the airlines. But you know, I don't travel much,
as you know, so I don't get to take advantage
of those. But this is a really crafty thing. I
think that's pretty pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
I like that guy good Candy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
So he's the world Okay. His name is Tom Stucker.
He's also known as the twenty four million mile Man.
Back in nineteen ninety, he bought a lifetime pass on
United Airlines for him and a companion for five hundred
and ten thousand dollars. The pass allows him to fly

(01:44:41):
first class anywhere anytime. He actually doesn't own a car
because he uses his points for the airlines to rent
cars instead. He's he let's see with recent travels, was

(01:45:03):
out of Newark Airport. Flyers can take some advice from
a man who has flown out of New Jersey facility
more than eight thousand times. Is the world's most frequent flyer,
owns a golden ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Yeah, and the golden ticket people in the sports exchange safeties.
I love these non sports topics. So if you like
this one, I got another one in Candy. Ought to
know the person that we're dealing with here, because AI
is changing the world we live in work. JP Morgan
CEO believes it won't just be business.

Speaker 5 (01:45:41):
Assume me.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
It won't be business more. It'll make more. It won't
make business more efficient. It could also give people better
work life balance. The next generation of employees work three
and a half days a week to live one hundred
years old. Oh, three and a half days a week
isn't so bad one hundred years old.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
No way getting there.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
I told you, yes, I have a great caretaker. On
another thing, but all right, Jacob, you just talked about
it first. Here we're talking about a three and a
half day work week. The JP Morgan j CEO and
don't want to mention his name at all, but those
of you that want to research it.

Speaker 5 (01:46:19):
Go ahead and do it. Three and a half day
work week? Can you handle it? Do you do it?
Of course?

Speaker 9 (01:46:23):
It's like absolutely no. But the big thing about it
is for all of that that they're talking about, AI
is gonna take away so many other jobs too. So
one of the things that's gonna come with this now
is it's they're gonna see We're gonna see people. We're
gonna see people with the more competitive, the most competitive
mindsets get it to get these jobs now, because it's

(01:46:46):
gonna get more with I mean, there won't be any
more fast food job for kids, there won't be more
a lot of construction jobs will be gone. It will
be a lot of AI, Bobby Robotic, a lot of stuff.
So every job that people get getting out of college
now will be nothing but highly competitive. So that's I mean, yeah,
you're gonna get your three and a half days a week,

(01:47:07):
but you're also gonna get the best of the very best,
because it's it's gonna be not even just from college.
It's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of different
playing to try to get people's attention.

Speaker 7 (01:47:18):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:47:19):
Yeah, I mean, I think AI is going to impact
every aspect of our life. U three and a half
day work week, you know. So I think that's that
comes down to the individual. I think there's so many
side hustles and different opportunities to make money. I think
people are gonna be working, you know, five seven days anyway,
regardless of what you know, opportunities come from AI. I

(01:47:40):
think that the American hustle on American culture is what
it is. And I think people trying to get money.
So you know, I don't think people will be satisfied
with three and a half days when they've been trained
to work for five days. So you know. But but
you know, for for those for those who want to
play golf and chill, uh and they need more to
mental health, stay at home, whatever may be works well.

(01:48:03):
And maybe AI is going to help us in regards
to mental health by taking us out of the workplace
and gave against more free time.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
We'll see the Earl kids, he said, you know, having
fun on this positive cast because MP three you are
the best or any casters is totally awesome. Sorry you
were old, So I have an MP three player.

Speaker 5 (01:48:20):
Look us up.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
We get out there, ask Earl Kizzie. He's the biggest
fan of the night, the fan of the night, Earl
Kisie for being on the program. All right, who I left?
Who wants to get a piece of this action?

Speaker 5 (01:48:30):
Praise your hand? Go ahead, George.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Three and a half work days a week. Wow, that
sounds like a lot of fun. I don't think it's
gonna happen anytime soon. I know that these statistics say
it might. But there's a lot of people now that
are mad because they had to go back to the office.
They were after COVID as you know, they were all
working at home, a lot of them, and now they're
being called back to work. And there's a lot of

(01:48:56):
complaints about, uh, the bosses bringing them back. But come on,
you know, well, the thing is is that, yeah, the
whole world is going through a different kind of work routine,
if you will, and stay at home is increasing. But
to be able to just work three and a half days,
I don't think it's going to be a universally accepted

(01:49:17):
I'm just gonna leave it at that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
All right, And he thought, Candy, you want to leave alone?

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
No, I'll I have thoughts. There are other countries that
are already doing it. There are other countries that are
doing it and it's successful. Now. Is AI going to
change things around here? Absolutely? But I've been in the
same industry for over thirty thirty three years now. My
industry has changed, Scott, your industry has changed. You wrote

(01:49:44):
a book about how your industry has changed, and that
doesn't have to do with AI. So yes, things are
going to change. That's just the nature of us and
technology progressing.

Speaker 5 (01:49:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
The one thing I will say, as long as you
I mean, we know about it now. So you start
to prepare you you know, as as kids in school,
as long as they start to prepare for jobs that
they want to have that they think are gonna be like,
there's gonna be jobs out there. They're just different. They're changing.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Jacob, you already commented on this. Yeah, first one, good,
you get go ahead, Jacob Marvin. You're gonna partly be
a part of this, least the first part. Okay, I'm
gonna ask you this. How long did you play in
the NFL?

Speaker 8 (01:50:32):
Three years?

Speaker 9 (01:50:33):
Okay, did any time whatsoever at any time did you
see anybody on your offensive side dropped the ball before
the end zone?

Speaker 8 (01:50:45):
No? I thought, So.

Speaker 9 (01:50:47):
That's my This is so recent. This is going to Amari.
This is going to be Amri, Dave Occato and ed
Ni Mitchell and all the rest of the morons that
keep doing this.

Speaker 5 (01:50:57):
They.

Speaker 9 (01:50:58):
I mean, I was so mad when I heard you
out and game and had to pay a fine and
do the apology, which he got a fine anyway for
that ridiculous, But go when he was actually doing a
little bit that he was doing a little bit of coaching. Okay,
Kenny slack, one who cares. Derek Collie should have been out,
He should have been lucky. They were at home so
they could drive home. So should and Mitchell and Mitchell

(01:51:20):
should have walked home he was on the road. What
is going on with people? Over and over and all?
I mean, all of these players dropping the ball. They're
dropping the ball at the goal line. Why huh?

Speaker 8 (01:51:41):
They're getting ready for the celebration dance.

Speaker 9 (01:51:44):
I school and college does this crap too? And heck
I've seen him when they're two yards before the end
zone doing this crap. The big thing is I'm gonna
I'm mad that John Deangin got I'm mad that he
got fined. I'm mad that that he had they had
the forced apology like he was like he was a hostage,

(01:52:04):
kind of like Jalen Rose. I'm kind of mad at
that part. But at the same time, where's your leadership
at all? Because it happens each and every one of
these happens to each every time. I can say this
part there are specific coaches we know in this league
that that's never gonna happen. They know they're gone. I

(01:52:27):
don't ever, I don't have one memory of happening with
Andy Reid team. If I if I, if I'm wrong,
if I'm wrong, you can get that. But it's like
you can you can tell me, but I don't have
any memory of this. I don't have. There's many coaches
I can name it, and I can tell you the
old coaches that definitely wouldn't have happened.

Speaker 8 (01:52:47):
Well, I think it did happen. Wasn't DeShawn Jackson on
Andy uh on Andy's team in Philly when he ran
that pump?

Speaker 9 (01:52:54):
He was the first one, wasn't he? I think so
he was the first first. Then I'll tell you one thing.
If that was the case, it was the last time. Yeah,
I haven't seen anybody in case doing They're winning super
Bowls right this and these this is where I'm this
is where we're at here. It's like, are we are

(01:53:15):
how many of the players, let's get a percentage, how
many of the players are actually caring about going to
the Super Bowl? Because I was here, one of the
things I heard was that I was hearing about how
contracts work in the NFL. I heard it from Julian Edelman.
He was talking about how they he'll talk about did
you ever buy way in your three years? Did you
make the playoffs?

Speaker 8 (01:53:34):
Never?

Speaker 9 (01:53:35):
Okay, he said, during the playoff time, you're if you're
in a buy. If you're in a buy, you're not
getting You're doing all the same work and not getting
paid at all. And that was during the contracts. And
these are the things like it makes me wonder how
many of these people actually they are they just trying
to get out there and trying to show them get on, TikTok,
get on. They are they trying to do all stuff

(01:53:56):
and make the most money or do they care about winning?

Speaker 8 (01:54:01):
And they all go ahead, No, no, well they all
they all want to win, man, they all want to win.
We we live in a digital age. We live in
an age where these guys can make more money in
different ways. And that's what you're seeing. You're seeing, you're
seeing the evolved businessman from the from the athletes and
just wanting to without saying earlier, you know, get other hustles.
We were talking about a three and a half day
work week and I was like, Nah, people who want

(01:54:23):
to get money are going to find ways to get money.
You know, they want to work more than that. So
that's all we're seeing is this. You know how business
has evolved, uh with technology, and you know, social media
has impacted every single industry. And these NFL players are
you know, some of the biggest stars in the world.
They're on the biggest stage. We're talking about, you know,
twenty two million people watching a single football game. So

(01:54:46):
they're a big deal, and they see their opportunities and
these are the times that we're in.

Speaker 9 (01:54:53):
The third string. I'm just saying, it's a third string
running back, in third string running back in a second string,
the wide receiver, we're doing the same darn thing.

Speaker 5 (01:55:00):
We're running out of time.

Speaker 9 (01:55:02):
Man, got finished this quick. This is the thing that
I was bringing with this. It's the fact that at
some point and time, it has to be about winning
if you want to get somewhere. I know what you
were saying, Marvin, but it has to be about winning.
And some of these coaches, some of these front offices
have got to figure out and let them go fast
and then quit this bad habit.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Okay, Candy quick station break everybody to anywhere what they
want to say.

Speaker 5 (01:55:27):
Go ahead, Candy Self.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
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Speaker 9 (01:56:17):
Thank you, Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:56:18):
All right, Jacob, just so you know, everybody, Jacob Christianer
will be on No Limits with Rachel Galvin and I
tomorrow night at eight o'clock PM, Easter Time.

Speaker 5 (01:56:26):
Make it quick, Jacob, How can people find you?

Speaker 9 (01:56:29):
I'm on Sideline Sports. I'm on Sideline Sports, I am
Sideline one Sports on TikTok, I'm Jacob Christener on Facebook,
Jacob Crisner on your score on Instagram. Might make my
way back to Twitter. Wh I'll let you know. And
also I'll be on tomorrow night. I'll be I'll be
on tomorrow night for this thing. And I just all

(01:56:50):
and I was on and I was on the show
just recently on Saturday morn on Sunday morning and stuff
like that for a football show. Who knows how many
times it will be on that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
And I'll tell you get around good. But tomorrow night
you're gonna really have a good time. I've already got
some pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:57:03):
Good to plan. Marvin poul My pupil. I love this guy.
Go ahead, Marrow put it out there.

Speaker 8 (01:57:09):
Brother. You can catch you with The South Florida Tribune
Tuesday nights Wednesday mornings at eleven and then Wednesday nights
at nine. You can also catch me on locked on
usc Mondays and Fridays, and I'm Marvin on the mic.
On social media, George go ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
You can follow me at the South Florida Tribune website
on the contributor section. And I wrote a book too,
and at the end of my column, and at the
end of the column is a link rather to purchase
the book. Thank you for the cover shot there, Candy
Detroit sports broadcasters on the air. You can reach me
at GGI corn at yahoo dot com. That's the best way.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
I eard Kenzie. You love you too, Pal, and I
appreciate you being on the whole time. Great stop Pal
for old Kenzie. I almost feel like we had another
guest down here where they Kenzie. I'm looking forward to
seeing it. I don't come back on, but we love
you all well. We love you too.

Speaker 5 (01:58:03):
Earl. I'll tell you one thing we need more like it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
We need to have a xerox and copy more Earl
Kinzies out there. I don't know what about MP three's anymore,
but I know that there's an Earl kinzie that shows
you what I.

Speaker 5 (01:58:15):
Know about technology. Forget it, We're done.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
MP three is Marvin.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
Oh oh oh, sorry, Marvin, I didn't see that part.

Speaker 8 (01:58:29):
That's all good.

Speaker 5 (01:58:30):
Well, I thought it was one of those technology things.

Speaker 8 (01:58:33):
Once upon I could, I should have trademarked it years ago,
trust me.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
Oh well, Marvin, don't put it down now. I really
feel as one of these old Puerto Ricans to say
el stupid though. That's the league word I ever knew
in Spanish. But I was called el stupid though. So
all right, well you know what MP three Okay, now
that I know what your nickname is, Okay, now instead
of that device that I once thought was technology that
I know nothing about, tell you what, Marvin, I love you, brother,

(01:58:59):
earl you two and this crew was outstanding. Tom Shanahan,
George I, Corn Katya like Jacob Christner and MP three,
this is a motorm in city.

Speaker 7 (01:59:07):
Ma'am.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
We'll thank you for joining us. Well, let's see if
we can do better next Wednesday night. And once again,
if you didn't see our first show, No Limits, take
a look at it tomorrow. No Limits to Jacob is
on as all. Good night, everybody, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 4 (01:59:19):
Good night,

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