August 30, 2024 • 17 mins
On this week's edition of Sportsfeld Storytime, we continue our look back at the Roy Halladay/AJ Burnett showdown of 2009. This week, we Remember Some Guys like Aaron Hill, Lyle Overbay, and Scott Rolen. Plus, Zubes has the opportunity to sing the praises of Travis Snider and slander the good name of Cito Gaston. All that plus the early days of the Blue Jays blogosphere and how that has influenced our memory of this team ever since.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One two on Hinsky and that's strike three, called one
(00:05):
lousy hit. This is fly to center field. It settles
into the glove of Vernon Wells, and Roy Halladay has
one hit the Yankees. You've just witnessed one of the
finest performances of his career. Oh two picks, strike three
(00:27):
called say good night, mister TISHERA ohy, Halliday is just
mowing him down.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now, I believe, and try to put him away.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
There's the breaking ball, and that's a base hit down
the line.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Rios is in the score.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Here comes Wells, half to second, goes rolling and it's
two nothing for the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
A good piece of hitting by Scott Rowland. Found off
the fastball and got the breaking ball, able to place
it down the line, hit it hard enough to get
it past a rod a couple of runs. In sports
(01:32):
Beld it is Sports Felt story time. We are digging
back in as we always do on this show. We
are digging back into the classics. Looking back at I
would say an underrated gem, because the Blue Jays became
a much better team than this. Shortly thereafter. One of
my favorite moments from an era of Blue Jays baseball
(01:54):
that I think I am probably more nostalgic of than people.
It is the two thousand and nine Toronto Blue Jays.
I recognize now we talked in the last episode that
the era of Blue Jays here, that the Black Jays,
the that Burnett era was a little bit better than
everybody remembers when they were consistently in above five hundred team.
(02:16):
They were eighty seven win team in his first year.
Two thousand and nine is not one of those seasons.
Decidedly bad in two thousand and nine straight up.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, but didn't they start really well?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I believe they got out They were thirteen and
five at one point, or if you'd like fifteen and eight,
or if you'd like eighteen and nine or twenty and ten.
So they were ten games of a five hundred in May.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
In May, and they're in first place in the real
East until they were in first place in the near
least until May twenty third, two thousand and nine, and
then they lost it, which, like I feel like the
last couple of years we've talked, especially last year, the
shortened season, it was kind of like, well, the first
sixty games of a baseball season don't matter. This is
(03:05):
one of those teams where boy is that ever true?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Absolutely the case, an interesting amalgamation of this team. You know,
obviously the most important factor is twenty one year old
Travis Snyder is on this team and everybody's favorite player.
He was just like it's I know that obviously it
is parody at this point that I am the leader
of the bandwagon, But at the time he was the guy.
(03:34):
It wasn't like like the thing about Travis Snyder that
I think maybe people who weren't there don't remember. It's
like it's it's not like I was hitching my wagonto
Richard Urania, you know what I mean. Like this dude
was a cannot miss prospect. He was the number one hitter.
He was he was to be forty five, one hundred
(03:55):
and twenty every year.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
He was such a can't miss and like this, I
will admit this is a little bit of hyperbole, or
maybe a lot of hyperbole, and maybe relegated mostly to
sort of the these early days of the Blue Jays
blogosphere as it were. But I would say that Travis
(04:18):
Snyder is, if not directly at least the start of
literally Sodo Gaston yep becoming like not the loved in Toronto.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Su lead for me. I mean, I take it harder
than most, but boy, oh boy, was I ever mad
at The story is that that day one game one,
Zeedle Gaston was like, you can't spend like that in
the major leagues. Oh, and like still not over it.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And the thing is like, it's an I think it's
an understandable thing to be upset about, because it's a
ridiculous thing to say, first of all, and the sort
of up and down, like we don't we all know
the Travis Snyder's story. I have to recap it here,
but like it was literally Cito Gaston. It would be
like in ten years Nick Nurse being run into town
(05:04):
for not playing a young guy like he won both
the World Series titles with the Blue Jays is on
the level of excellence. And it's like because of the
Travis SNAr thing, or at least the Travis star thing
was the start. It was like, wow, fuck this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It was extremely weird that Sita was managing this team
in the first place. Seed who got brought in midway
through the two thousand and eight season, John Gibbons was
dismissed after a thirty five and thirty nine starts Toedo
came in, went fifty one and thirty seven. The rest
of the way. You can say, oh, my goodness, Cito
really turned it around, or you could say they were
probably a better team than they were performing, and Seito
happened to be the guy who managed that. It depends
(05:45):
you're my legs Mayberry on that. But crazy, crazy to
me that Cito Gaston is a manager in two thousand
and nine, JP Richardi would get fired. At the end
of this season December third, two thousand and nine, Jipi
richartity gets fired. This is the team that breaks JP
Richardi's tenure, and then we move into the alex Anthopolis era.
Shortly after that. We'll do a little bit of remembering
(06:08):
of some guys. Of course, Vernon Wells, the stalwart is
your sending fielder, and Vernon's worst year I would say
probably as a starter, he was not great. One hundred
and fifty eight games, eighty six ops plus. He was very,
very very quiet, not very good. Basically his worst years
(06:28):
in Toronto was two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Again, I will once again say I don't know if
this is due to sort of as we talked about
last week, this being like a key entry point into
reading j like djf Era stuff. But I really feel
like outside of maybe two thoy seventeen and maybe even
(06:58):
twenty eighteen, this this is one of the more negative
from fans Blue Jays seasons I can think.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Of, yes, because even even if we look back at
them now and are like, oh man, the Black Jays
were were not that bad, this is like this team
is sort of what everybody remembers as Black Jays, which
is funny because and the old bad guys.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
And the funny thing is the years on either side
of it are actually pretty positive. They're eighty six and
eighty five wins on either side of this year. But
I think you're right, this year was so I don't
want to say fully poisonous, but like, this is the
year Travis Snyder got fucked up. This is the year
Charity got fired. This is the last year you know
(07:43):
of Roylliday with the Blue Jays. So it's I understand
sort of why this year is so reviled when it
comes to the Blue Jays and why it colored kind
(08:03):
of like half a decade of teams.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I think that's absolutely bang on. Some guys, Remember, as
I mentioned uh, Rob Barajas behind the plate, and then
just the absolute core of the of of that era
is over Bay Hill. Wells Rios, Lynde, John McDonald of course,
uh and uh Marco Scuderro who everybody loved. Everybody loved
(08:26):
Mirca Scooterol.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
We did love Mark scuro Also, I won't be afraid
to say it really didn't like Jose Bautista this season.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
This is the This is I was gonna, I was
gonna try to bury a little bit. But this is
if you look at the roster and you look, you
start to spuill down a little bit. The very bottoms
there is like Jose Bautista played one hundred and thirteen games,
hit thirteen home runs and had a three forty nine OBP.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Bautista is going after that first one. He lost it
to left center field, back to the wall.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is got put it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's gone.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I'm not old.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Edward Incarnacion listed it's a third baseman played forty two games,
e five. My goodness, gracious, Randy REI remember Randy Ruiz,
the rand of rewis right. And Scott Roland, who got
a little bit of buzz he was that's talking about
internet hype. Scott rolland was like he's like that's the
greatest je of all time. He gets created midway through
the year for Ancarnacione, but just sort of a funny
little roster of like this is you can see in
(09:28):
that midway it's to your point of like Holladay being
moved and the introduction of Batista and and Karnacy owner.
This roster is like this is the year that it
transitions from the from those days to the twenty ten team,
I mean obviously, but like the core like visibly changes
midway through this year.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think Scott Roland is one of the first guys
I can remember where like one of the first guys
with the internet really changed how I thought about him.
Like I never disliked Scott Roland. Scotland was always good
to great for the Blue Jays, but like he only
played like a season and a half here, two seasons here,
(10:19):
and then like the g boat thing took off, which
again tongue in cheek, but also like he was awesome
that year that he got traded and so but there's
still very much like I remember sort of coming back
to like reading with the Jays regularly with all that
and being like Oh yeah, Scott Roland's like the best
fucking guy ever. It's just funny. It's funny how this
(10:43):
is the era of like narratives being created in that way.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's funny you mentioned that is like it felt like
Roland was there for longer than he was. I feel
the same way. I look at the pitching staff and
the reliever and stuff. I was like, man, I felt
like all these guys were there for ten years, Like
it's it's Hallett and Cecil and Zebchinsky and Fraser in
camp League, Carlson Downs, Percy, Jansen, Accardo, Derk, Hayhurst. It's like, man,
(11:09):
I felt like all every one of those guys played
Jesse Lytch down there, like played every single year of
my twenties, but like they didn't obviously, But it's just like, man,
other than yeah, other than twenty nineteen, really like really
did I'm plant itself as like this is what this
team was for this entire time?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah? I think that's absolutely true. And one day, not today,
but one day we're gonna have to talk about uh,
Scott Rowland. It's just like an underratedly great, all time
blue jay, just like so consistent always.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I feel I almost feel like it has it's coming around.
I was good, are you? I almost felt like it
swung too far in that way in that like to
your point, like it was it was basically one season,
like he played one hundred and fifteen games the one
year and eighty eight the other know, he was good,
(12:01):
he was good.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Sorry, what name did I say?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Scott Rolling?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Sorry? I fully meant to move on from Scott rolland
I meant to talk about Lyle over Bay.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It's two and one on over Bay swung on and
drilled up the middle of base, hit the center field
Kevin Lallar rounding and he comes in to score. The
Blue Jays have taken a one nothing lead.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh, lover boy, Lile over Bay is is a guy
that to your point about era, if Lyle over Bay
played now, he would be such a darling just like
always on base, good defense, That's.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
What I mean. Like his O his ears in Torontos,
his ops plus was one twenty five eighty five, one five, Yeah,
just like solid.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
People were like, he doesn't hit home runs, right, they
wanted the proficion run That's right, but like, yeah, to
that point, his five years in Toronto, which is he
played more games in Toronto than he did for anybody else.
His OBP is a time time in Toronto was three fifty.
Like he was a It's exactly what you want your
your five hole guy to be every single day. It's
just that there wasn't power in other spots, and you know,
(13:18):
Wells was bad.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
What can you really say in two thousand and nine,
the year we're talking about his his OBP was three
seventy two and he only struck out ninety five times.
Like exactly to your point, exactly what you want.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Incredible, incredible. As you said this, this team got off
to a hot start. They were listen, thirty game samples
of a baseball team. As we as we've proven many times,
you know, you get up the twenty seven and fourteenth meaningless,
just completely meaningless. If last Year'slue Jays team had been
twenty seven and fourteen at one point, think about how
how unquestionably high they would have finished in the standards.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
They would have won the probably I don't remember, but
like maybe the.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Game that we're leading to the showdown with with Burnett
is like pretty much the pinnacle of the season. They
finished that game twenty three and twelve. They finished the
season eight games under five hundred, they go on huge
leasing streaks basically immediately after they lose nine in a
(14:25):
row at one point, like a month later.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Also very funny to me sort of. I guess in
the pre twenty fifteen times of looking at Blue Jays
attendance and how like, obviously when the team is bad,
the numbers drop because that's just how it works in Toronto,
and that's fine. But like post twenty fifteen, if a
Blue Jays team and like obviously pre COVID times, but
(14:49):
if a Blue Jays team was fifteen to nine and
tied for first in the Al East at the end
of April, that weekend series in Toronto would draw more
people than the Blue Jays dead Like that weekend series
against Baltimore first weekend of May, first place in Nail East,
the Saturday game drew eighteen thousand people. That baby would
(15:12):
be pretty close to fall these days.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, Aprin might be a little but yeah, I think right,
I think the Aprin might be a little, might be
a little cut in it clothes.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
And the Burnette, I think the Burnette's the Burnett spiking
attendance is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I think I went to this weekend set against the
Athletics to play that much boil boy. So yeah, the
forty three thousand, seven hundred and thirty seven at the
Burnette game twenty thousand, the next day twenty two on
the on the Thursday set, the Yankees always you remember this,
the Yankees would always.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Bring That's right, that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Five to eight thousand fans no matter what.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Still, I think that's still true to an extent. Maybe
it's less so now because demand in Toronto's a little higher,
but there's still always a big Yankee contingent.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You know, you know, the next to the next week
Sunday thirty seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So oh yeah, I guess that's true to will and.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Then the Holliday started. But who knows that could be
I could have been a giveaway. Knowing the way this
yeah shit works. I'm gonna be interested to see how
attendance changes when when fans are back in the building.
Because mid two, you know, they were a really bad
team last time they played at home.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But I mean, if they if they're good this year
in Florida, I could see it being pretty high.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah why not?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Why?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I hope? I hope, I hope as long as it's safe.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I hope, Oh boy, anyway of you said, the Blue
Jay is off to a very hot start to start
two thousand and nine, The Yankees not so much. They
were fifteen and seventeen. Derek Sanderson. Jeter was on the
disabled list as it was called at the time. Now
it is the injured list. Uh no Jeter, and I
(16:46):
think no, Rob, You're obviously going it was healthy. But
but your Yankees was classic Yankees that era, the Gardner
Damon to share a but Rigaz, Matt Sue, Swisher, Cano Cabrera,
Kevin Cash. This is Kevin Cash, his debut behind the
plate as a member of the New York Yankees. Anyway
you will deal it that we're gonna get into the game.
We're gonna get your first pitch, We're gonna get to
(17:08):
everything that was like to be in a quote unquote
playoff atmosphere at the Rogers Center in May of two
thousand and nine. It's Howaday versus Burnett On the next episode,
A Sports Felt story Time
One two on Hinsky and that's strike three, called one
(00:05):
lousy hit. This is fly to center field. It settles
into the glove of Vernon Wells, and Roy Halladay has
one hit the Yankees. You've just witnessed one of the
finest performances of his career. Oh two picks, strike three
(00:27):
called say good night, mister TISHERA ohy, Halliday is just
mowing him down.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Now, I believe, and try to put him away.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
There's the breaking ball, and that's a base hit down
the line.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Rios is in the score.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Here comes Wells, half to second, goes rolling and it's
two nothing for the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
A good piece of hitting by Scott Rowland. Found off
the fastball and got the breaking ball, able to place
it down the line, hit it hard enough to get
it past a rod a couple of runs. In sports
(01:32):
Beld it is Sports Felt story time. We are digging
back in as we always do on this show. We
are digging back into the classics. Looking back at I
would say an underrated gem, because the Blue Jays became
a much better team than this. Shortly thereafter. One of
my favorite moments from an era of Blue Jays baseball
(01:54):
that I think I am probably more nostalgic of than people.
It is the two thousand and nine Toronto Blue Jays.
I recognize now we talked in the last episode that
the era of Blue Jays here, that the Black Jays,
the that Burnett era was a little bit better than
everybody remembers when they were consistently in above five hundred team.
(02:16):
They were eighty seven win team in his first year.
Two thousand and nine is not one of those seasons.
Decidedly bad in two thousand and nine straight up.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, but didn't they start really well?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I believe they got out They were thirteen and
five at one point, or if you'd like fifteen and eight,
or if you'd like eighteen and nine or twenty and ten.
So they were ten games of a five hundred in May.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
In May, and they're in first place in the real
East until they were in first place in the near
least until May twenty third, two thousand and nine, and
then they lost it, which, like I feel like the
last couple of years we've talked, especially last year, the
shortened season, it was kind of like, well, the first
sixty games of a baseball season don't matter. This is
(03:05):
one of those teams where boy is that ever true?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Absolutely the case, an interesting amalgamation of this team. You know,
obviously the most important factor is twenty one year old
Travis Snyder is on this team and everybody's favorite player.
He was just like it's I know that obviously it
is parody at this point that I am the leader
of the bandwagon, But at the time he was the guy.
(03:34):
It wasn't like like the thing about Travis Snyder that
I think maybe people who weren't there don't remember. It's
like it's it's not like I was hitching my wagonto
Richard Urania, you know what I mean. Like this dude
was a cannot miss prospect. He was the number one hitter.
He was he was to be forty five, one hundred
(03:55):
and twenty every year.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
He was such a can't miss and like this, I
will admit this is a little bit of hyperbole, or
maybe a lot of hyperbole, and maybe relegated mostly to
sort of the these early days of the Blue Jays
blogosphere as it were. But I would say that Travis
(04:18):
Snyder is, if not directly at least the start of
literally Sodo Gaston yep becoming like not the loved in Toronto.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Su lead for me. I mean, I take it harder
than most, but boy, oh boy, was I ever mad
at The story is that that day one game one,
Zeedle Gaston was like, you can't spend like that in
the major leagues. Oh, and like still not over it.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And the thing is like, it's an I think it's
an understandable thing to be upset about, because it's a
ridiculous thing to say, first of all, and the sort
of up and down, like we don't we all know
the Travis Snyder's story. I have to recap it here,
but like it was literally Cito Gaston. It would be
like in ten years Nick Nurse being run into town
(05:04):
for not playing a young guy like he won both
the World Series titles with the Blue Jays is on
the level of excellence. And it's like because of the
Travis SNAr thing, or at least the Travis star thing
was the start. It was like, wow, fuck this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It was extremely weird that Sita was managing this team
in the first place. Seed who got brought in midway
through the two thousand and eight season, John Gibbons was
dismissed after a thirty five and thirty nine starts Toedo
came in, went fifty one and thirty seven. The rest
of the way. You can say, oh, my goodness, Cito
really turned it around, or you could say they were
probably a better team than they were performing, and Seito
happened to be the guy who managed that. It depends
(05:45):
you're my legs Mayberry on that. But crazy, crazy to
me that Cito Gaston is a manager in two thousand
and nine, JP Richardi would get fired. At the end
of this season December third, two thousand and nine, Jipi
richartity gets fired. This is the team that breaks JP
Richardi's tenure, and then we move into the alex Anthopolis era.
Shortly after that. We'll do a little bit of remembering
(06:08):
of some guys. Of course, Vernon Wells, the stalwart is
your sending fielder, and Vernon's worst year I would say
probably as a starter, he was not great. One hundred
and fifty eight games, eighty six ops plus. He was very,
very very quiet, not very good. Basically his worst years
(06:28):
in Toronto was two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Again, I will once again say I don't know if
this is due to sort of as we talked about
last week, this being like a key entry point into
reading j like djf Era stuff. But I really feel
like outside of maybe two thoy seventeen and maybe even
(06:58):
twenty eighteen, this this is one of the more negative
from fans Blue Jays seasons I can think.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Of, yes, because even even if we look back at
them now and are like, oh man, the Black Jays
were were not that bad, this is like this team
is sort of what everybody remembers as Black Jays, which
is funny because and the old bad guys.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
And the funny thing is the years on either side
of it are actually pretty positive. They're eighty six and
eighty five wins on either side of this year. But
I think you're right, this year was so I don't
want to say fully poisonous, but like, this is the
year Travis Snyder got fucked up. This is the year
Charity got fired. This is the last year you know
(07:43):
of Roylliday with the Blue Jays. So it's I understand
sort of why this year is so reviled when it
comes to the Blue Jays and why it colored kind
(08:03):
of like half a decade of teams.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I think that's absolutely bang on. Some guys, Remember, as
I mentioned uh, Rob Barajas behind the plate, and then
just the absolute core of the of of that era
is over Bay Hill. Wells Rios, Lynde, John McDonald of course,
uh and uh Marco Scuderro who everybody loved. Everybody loved
(08:26):
Mirca Scooterol.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
We did love Mark scuro Also, I won't be afraid
to say it really didn't like Jose Bautista this season.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
This is the This is I was gonna, I was
gonna try to bury a little bit. But this is
if you look at the roster and you look, you
start to spuill down a little bit. The very bottoms
there is like Jose Bautista played one hundred and thirteen games,
hit thirteen home runs and had a three forty nine OBP.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Bautista is going after that first one. He lost it
to left center field, back to the wall.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is got put it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
It's gone.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I'm not old.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Edward Incarnacion listed it's a third baseman played forty two games,
e five. My goodness, gracious, Randy REI remember Randy Ruiz,
the rand of rewis right. And Scott Roland, who got
a little bit of buzz he was that's talking about
internet hype. Scott rolland was like he's like that's the
greatest je of all time. He gets created midway through
the year for Ancarnacione, but just sort of a funny
little roster of like this is you can see in
(09:28):
that midway it's to your point of like Holladay being
moved and the introduction of Batista and and Karnacy owner.
This roster is like this is the year that it
transitions from the from those days to the twenty ten team,
I mean obviously, but like the core like visibly changes
midway through this year.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I think Scott Roland is one of the first guys
I can remember where like one of the first guys
with the internet really changed how I thought about him.
Like I never disliked Scott Roland. Scotland was always good
to great for the Blue Jays, but like he only
played like a season and a half here, two seasons here,
(10:19):
and then like the g boat thing took off, which
again tongue in cheek, but also like he was awesome
that year that he got traded and so but there's
still very much like I remember sort of coming back
to like reading with the Jays regularly with all that
and being like Oh yeah, Scott Roland's like the best
fucking guy ever. It's just funny. It's funny how this
(10:43):
is the era of like narratives being created in that way.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's funny you mentioned that is like it felt like
Roland was there for longer than he was. I feel
the same way. I look at the pitching staff and
the reliever and stuff. I was like, man, I felt
like all these guys were there for ten years, Like
it's it's Hallett and Cecil and Zebchinsky and Fraser in
camp League, Carlson Downs, Percy, Jansen, Accardo, Derk, Hayhurst. It's like, man,
(11:09):
I felt like all every one of those guys played
Jesse Lytch down there, like played every single year of
my twenties, but like they didn't obviously, But it's just like, man,
other than yeah, other than twenty nineteen, really like really
did I'm plant itself as like this is what this
team was for this entire time?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Yeah? I think that's absolutely true. And one day, not today,
but one day we're gonna have to talk about uh,
Scott Rowland. It's just like an underratedly great, all time
blue jay, just like so consistent always.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I feel I almost feel like it has it's coming around.
I was good, are you? I almost felt like it
swung too far in that way in that like to
your point, like it was it was basically one season,
like he played one hundred and fifteen games the one
year and eighty eight the other know, he was good,
(12:01):
he was good.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Sorry, what name did I say?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Scott Rolling?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Sorry? I fully meant to move on from Scott rolland
I meant to talk about Lyle over Bay.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
It's two and one on over Bay swung on and
drilled up the middle of base, hit the center field
Kevin Lallar rounding and he comes in to score. The
Blue Jays have taken a one nothing lead.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh, lover boy, Lile over Bay is is a guy
that to your point about era, if Lyle over Bay
played now, he would be such a darling just like
always on base, good defense, That's.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
What I mean. Like his O his ears in Torontos,
his ops plus was one twenty five eighty five, one five, Yeah,
just like solid.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
People were like, he doesn't hit home runs, right, they
wanted the proficion run That's right, but like, yeah, to
that point, his five years in Toronto, which is he
played more games in Toronto than he did for anybody else.
His OBP is a time time in Toronto was three fifty.
Like he was a It's exactly what you want your
your five hole guy to be every single day. It's
just that there wasn't power in other spots, and you know,
(13:18):
Wells was bad.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
What can you really say in two thousand and nine,
the year we're talking about his his OBP was three
seventy two and he only struck out ninety five times.
Like exactly to your point, exactly what you want.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Incredible, incredible. As you said this, this team got off
to a hot start. They were listen, thirty game samples
of a baseball team. As we as we've proven many times,
you know, you get up the twenty seven and fourteenth meaningless,
just completely meaningless. If last Year'slue Jays team had been
twenty seven and fourteen at one point, think about how
how unquestionably high they would have finished in the standards.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
They would have won the probably I don't remember, but
like maybe the.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Game that we're leading to the showdown with with Burnett
is like pretty much the pinnacle of the season. They
finished that game twenty three and twelve. They finished the
season eight games under five hundred, they go on huge
leasing streaks basically immediately after they lose nine in a
(14:25):
row at one point, like a month later.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Also very funny to me sort of. I guess in
the pre twenty fifteen times of looking at Blue Jays
attendance and how like, obviously when the team is bad,
the numbers drop because that's just how it works in Toronto,
and that's fine. But like post twenty fifteen, if a
Blue Jays team and like obviously pre COVID times, but
(14:49):
if a Blue Jays team was fifteen to nine and
tied for first in the Al East at the end
of April, that weekend series in Toronto would draw more
people than the Blue Jays dead Like that weekend series
against Baltimore first weekend of May, first place in Nail East,
the Saturday game drew eighteen thousand people. That baby would
(15:12):
be pretty close to fall these days.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, Aprin might be a little but yeah, I think right,
I think the Aprin might be a little, might be
a little cut in it clothes.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
And the Burnette, I think the Burnette's the Burnett spiking
attendance is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I think I went to this weekend set against the
Athletics to play that much boil boy. So yeah, the
forty three thousand, seven hundred and thirty seven at the
Burnette game twenty thousand, the next day twenty two on
the on the Thursday set, the Yankees always you remember this,
the Yankees would always.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Bring That's right, that's true.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Five to eight thousand fans no matter what.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Still, I think that's still true to an extent. Maybe
it's less so now because demand in Toronto's a little higher,
but there's still always a big Yankee contingent.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
You know, you know, the next to the next week
Sunday thirty seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So oh yeah, I guess that's true to will and.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Then the Holliday started. But who knows that could be
I could have been a giveaway. Knowing the way this
yeah shit works. I'm gonna be interested to see how
attendance changes when when fans are back in the building.
Because mid two, you know, they were a really bad
team last time they played at home.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
But I mean, if they if they're good this year
in Florida, I could see it being pretty high.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah why not?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Why?
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I hope? I hope, I hope as long as it's safe.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I hope, Oh boy, anyway of you said, the Blue
Jay is off to a very hot start to start
two thousand and nine, The Yankees not so much. They
were fifteen and seventeen. Derek Sanderson. Jeter was on the
disabled list as it was called at the time. Now
it is the injured list. Uh no Jeter, and I
(16:46):
think no, Rob, You're obviously going it was healthy. But
but your Yankees was classic Yankees that era, the Gardner
Damon to share a but Rigaz, Matt Sue, Swisher, Cano Cabrera,
Kevin Cash. This is Kevin Cash, his debut behind the
plate as a member of the New York Yankees. Anyway
you will deal it that we're gonna get into the game.
We're gonna get your first pitch, We're gonna get to
(17:08):
everything that was like to be in a quote unquote
playoff atmosphere at the Rogers Center in May of two
thousand and nine. It's Howaday versus Burnett On the next episode,
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