September 13, 2024 • 22 mins
On this week's episode of Sportsfeld Storytime, we wrap up our look back at the Roy Halladay/AJ Burnett duel of 2009. This week, we're remembering the Roy Halladay trade, which saw him leave Toronto and head to Philadelphia where he would, of course, throw a no-hitter in his first playoff appearance. We then look back at Life After Doc, as Alex Anthopolous makes his first moves as GM, Jose Bautista becomes The God King, and Brett Lawrie leaps his way into our hearts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Today in Philadelphia, Roy Halliday was officially introduced to the media,
and in true Holiday fashion, he started by thanking Toronto. Now,
it's unfortunate due to the economic disparity in the game,
he couldn't finish his career with the Jays. He wanted
to go with a contender, and us you spend, you
can't contend Philly spends. Claude Faye has more in this report.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'd like to start first of all by thanking you know,
everybody in Toronto, the fans, your organization, the people. It's
been a big part of my life and something I'll
never forget.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
The dealing of Roy Halliday to the Phillies proved to
be a complex three team trade initiated by the Phillies
at the Baseball Winter Meetings, consummated last Sunday and finalized Wednesday,
sending the twelve year Jay and winning his pitcher in
the majors since two thousand and two, to the Phillies
along with six million dollars a place The thirty two
year old had long made a pitch for it.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It was an easy decision for me, I think once
the opportunity came up to be a part of this.
It was something I couldn't pass up. And you know,
I think there's you know, things not only in business
but in life that you know are worth it, and
for me, this was one of those things.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Sports it is.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Sports Felt Storytime.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
We were back once again to close out the Halliday
versus Burnett Sports Felt story Time two thousand and nine.
What a time to be a Blue Jays fan. I
was a big time two thousand and nine Blue Jays fan,
not afraid to say it. In the last episode, we
looked at Roy Holliday, one of his last true gems,
the complete game win over A. J.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Burnett and the New York Yankees.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
The pinnacle of that season is they would then go
on a gigantic losing streak. They would hit the garbage
pail and the Yankees win the World's But for one night,
Holliday was the correct answer and Burnett was the loser,
and we boot him off the field and it felt
so good. It was a fun time that night. It
would then sort of morph into this is what being
a Blue Jays fan is in this era, and really
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the question after that, the question after.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
That was.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
What is going to become of Roy Holliday and we
knew that there was a chance he was going to
get traded. He was I believe he was one year
away from free agency, and it was, you know, similar
to I think what we went through in March of
this year with Kyle Lowry of like is it do
you get nothing for Royal Halliday? And he wanted to
get something. And Alexanthopolis took this team over in October
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October third, two thousand and nine. Al Saithopoulos took over
in December sixteenth. Harry Lee Roy Howiday the third Is
traded the Philadelphia Phillies for Travis Darnault, Kyle Drebeck and
Michael Taylor. Then then shifted this is the thing that
people forget. They then traded Michael Taylor for Brett Wallace
and for Brett Wallace.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I do remember I remember being very high on both
those guys. I remember like like this was a big
period as Blue Jays fans of like being talking yourself
into lesser returns.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
So listen, I thought Caldre Kyle Drabek was gonna be
really good. I was like Kyl drey Beck's and and he.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Was also one of those guys were like every spring
he put together like four innings. Yeah, you're like, it's happening.
It's Kyle Drei bick time.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
As being Sean Reid Foley.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
If you want to make a like a modern day,
it's like every year you're like man if Reid Foley
finds the finds the command. Look out never finds the command.
So yeah, it was I remember I remember being very
sad about this, of course, because Howiday was a lifelong
blue Jay and and is such a great journey he
had made the minor leagues that the turnaround Travis Darno
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ended up being I think he was an al star
like last year.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I just don't know, is yeah, he turned into.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
A serviceable Yeah, of course drey Beak would be nothing,
Taylor would be nothing, Wallace would be nothing. So way
she goes with where how I did. But of course
he would go on to the Phillies. He would throw
a perfect game in the regular season against the Marlins,
and he would throw a no hitter in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
It was we know, we talked.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
We were asked in a recent mail bag about whether
we loved Jose or Doc Moore, and I think we
both said Jose because he had those fuck you moments
and he got to prove everybody wrong. And Doc got
to do that, but he didn't get through that as
a Blue Jay. I remember being so proud, so proud
when he threw the perfect game, and when he his
first playoff start was a no hitter. It was like, Wow,
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if we had had this, it would have been just
the greatest possible thing for me.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It was a really interesting moment as a sports fan
because it came right at like was it twenty ten?
So I'm like, I just turned twenty two, so that's
like peak like petty angry sports years. And I've always
hated the Phillies. I still hate the Phillies and having
to sort of at especially at that, like now, if
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that happened, you can It'd be very easy as thirty
two year old me to sort of put it aside
and be like, well, like, that's amazing for Doc, he
a that he did. That be the context like awesome, awesome.
Putting that aside. It's twenty two year old and me
was tough.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
You were you were angry, you were not happy.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It wasn't I wasn't happy. It was hard for me
to separate how happy I was for Doc and how
angry I was that he didn't deal with us, and
that he did it with the Phillies, right.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
You hated the Phillies, right right, right, I.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Hate the Phillies. And it was also like it was
hard to accept that, like Roy, that it wasn't really
anger at Halliday, it was anger at the Jays right,
that they had literally Roy Halladay and could never put
it together till it was kind of like, look what
he does. Yeah, when he made the playoffs, he threw
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a literal no hitter.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Boy Boy twenty ten, Phillies ninety seven and sixty five.
The rotation Holladay Hammels was Walter. Yeah, like crazy, crazy
crazy they Kyle Kendrick.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
That rotation was fucking gross.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
And like you know Peek, Ryan Howard, Peak, Chase Utley, crazy,
Jamie Garno, Jason Worth. Yeah, incredible. I think that's the
interesting that you sort of battled those things. I remember
the big thing that year was we got Howaday versus
Linsicum in a playoff tool and that was like the
game to watch because those fucking, those fucking giants that
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were in this every single year back then.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I'm so happy that you are on the same side
of the Giants discourse.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Good Lord, good people are friends who lowered themselves, hated,
lowered themselves into becoming Giants fans.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Disgusting discust this day to this day. They shouldn't be
all to live that down.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
It's crazy to me. It's crazy to me anyway. Yeah,
uh boy, and thought was sneaky gets busy this this
little bit. He also trades Brandon League for Brandon Morrow.
That's a pretty nice piece of business.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
That is a good piece of business. I actually forgot
how Brandon Morrow came to Toronto sing about him the
other day because I was playing the show and he
popped up.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
And then in his first draft in June, he drafts
Jack Deck maguire eleventh overall. Okay, okay, Aaron Sanchez thirty
fourth overall, Noah Cindergard thirty eighth overall. Uh Asherwashkowski, who
I think is still kicking around, but it's maybe burned out.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Of the league.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Jesus, Justin Nicolino, Sam Dyson, Sean Nolan, Dalton, Pompei, Miles Jay.
And he drafts Chris Bryant in the eighteenth rout of
twenty ten draft.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, I don't think I knew that.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yeah, sneaky huh a double.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
He did his thing.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
They traded Bret Wallace by July of this year for
Anthony Gos, who would of course become uh Den TVN
Travis and Anthony Osa. I believe he was breaking into
the league as a pitcher this year.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
He definitely was last year. I don't know if he
I haven't seen anything about him this year, but I
do remember that was like that was a story last
year and he was apparently pretty good.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah, twenty ten Blue Day would bounce back. This is
sort of the irony as they are better in twenty
ten without Doc than they were the year previous when
they were seventy five eighty seven. They go eighty five
and seventy seven, still fourth in the East, still eleven
games back of a playoff. But it is the story
of twenty ten is Josey Batista officially becomes a thing.
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Swinging a drive high Bypa love Field.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
This is deep DESTI day Posa Martisa.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
His first hit at hits tornandous his home run number fifteen, right,
he hits fifty four home runs. Vernon Wells does not
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play that well, but Jose Batista it becomes like a
capital t thing. Adam Lynde has a crappy year, but
it's Batista, and it was John Buck and Edwin and
Crnasion hits twenty home runs but cannot stay on the
field at third base, and you sort of start to
see this next generation of Blue Jay teams create itself
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under the pile of rubble that was the end of
the previous regime. And here Merrill makes thirty two starts, Romero, Markham,
Cecil Morals, Apschinsky is your most common five.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
It's it's funny you bring up both Vernon and then
all those sort of draft moves and early moves of
and thoughtless, because in my brain, the first an thoughtless
move was getting out from Wells's contract.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
That was his first His first movie was Getting Out
from Halliday. It's It's Wells is January twenty first, twenty
eleven is Vernon Wells.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I know, which is crazy to me. But like as
we've talked about many times over the story time, these
Jay's years are have sort of been rewritten in all
our minds, And like the Wells deal, I thought was
at least a year earlier than it was, and I
remember it being like the new Guy's great he got
(10:30):
it's side for that contract, which also, as we discussed,
isn't as bad a contract as it may have seemed. No,
But but that is my first an thoughtless memory.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
So you want to talk about memories of this era
the very next year, I mean you talk about it's
hard to It's hard to explain into somebody that wasn't
there in twenty eleven what it was like to have
Brett Laurie appear.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
If you could forget about it, Brett Murray has Jesse or.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Doctor that sentence.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
It's one of those things.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
If you weren't there, it would be impossible to explain
to you what it was like to show up the
next year and it's Brett Laurie and he is the boy.
The forty three games of Brett Laurie in twenty eleven
is like, is it forty three?
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Yeah? Man, forty three games?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I again memory being wrong. I thought it was like
two weeks.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
About a month and a half.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, Like of obviously the home the walk off against
Boston is like, is the big moment and.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
The Grand Slam?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, but man, I realized it was that it was
forty three games. But yeah, it was like to your point,
of like you had to be there. It was like
the next superstar, like not even like it's funny being
on as talking about Jose Bautista becoming a thing and
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like literally having a guy who hit fifty home runs,
but like Brett Laurie was like, dude, I'm I'm sure
the Canadian nests played into it.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
It did, but but it was also.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Like, this guy's going to be the best player in
the league.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
The way that he played was like boy, oh boy,
it's hard to.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
It was like, there's no way he's not going to
be a superstar.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
He already is. Like it was immediate he was going
to be a superstar. But the Batisto hit forty three
the next.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Year, especially with the Jays of a team that had
for years since since ninety three, maybe you can make
an argument since like the Delgado years, like a team
with no sense of identity at all. M hmm, a
team that was literally changing up their uniforms every few
years had such a lack of identity. And then you
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have a guy like Lauri who's Canadian and plays like
he did. Not only do you think he was gonna
be a star, but you thought he was like gonna
be not just like face the franchise in a Chipple sense,
like was gonna set the tone for this like rough
and tumble kind of team, which is kind of funny
based on what the Jays would become right after he left.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah, and it's funny hearing you say that. It was
like how many how long it took for them to
accept that, Like the new face of the team was
Batista right like it was, yeah, it was Laurie and
then it was like, you know, we're gonna find the
twenty twelve guys the next year. It's gonna be Reis.
It's gonna be It's like the whole time, it's like
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it's Fatista man, like you have you have the guy.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's a really good point that I think is obviously
I think that's a thought and like a consideration I've
had before, but I don't think I've ever been able
to like phrase Thom That's a really good way.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
To put it.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
They go eighty one and eighty one under John Ferrell
in twenty eleven in that crazy Brettlawer year. You don't
escubar One of the guys to remember, Eric Thames, who
I had took a sign that said blame Thames at
one point. Yeah, I was hard on Eric Thames because
he was stealing Kramas Snyder's job. Gradually, Davis came aboard
and they traded for Kolbe Rasmus in the middle of
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that year, twenty four year old Kolby Rasmus.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I remember exactly where I was when that trade happened.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Boy, he was bad in his first season with the Jays.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I was. I was at a in the midst of
taking a bartending course because I just moved back to Toronto
after being dumped and was kind of lost. I was like, oh,
learned to be a bartender and I was. I remember
I was at lunch, sitting alone in a sushi restaurant
eating like a bento box. They had like a it
had the score, I guess, or yeah, I guess it
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would have been the score at that time. So on
the TV and that the breaking ticker came up, they traded.
I want to say it was Edwin Jackson, Kobe Rasmus.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Think you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And I remember I was so high on Colby.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yeah he had that, he had that one incredible year.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I was traded by the Cardinals with Miller talent and
Walters for Hotel, Edwin Jackson, Corey Patterson, and Mark Sceptinski.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So yes, I was ready for Kobe Rasmus to be
my favorite player until and like in a lot of ways,
maybe he was.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I was going to will it to happen if he
wasn't going to be either way.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, well I was having the hut To picture.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I guess that's right, the chicken dog up front, boil boy,
Uh what, like just a.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Lot of It's funny how Anthopolis now is sort of
held up as the golden god in Toronto, which, like
I understand I'm not saying is incorrect, but like a
lot of just like throwing darts at a board.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Those first few years, well, I mean they give up
nothing in the other end of that, right, there's like nothing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It just feels like a lot of But that's what
I mean. It feels like a lot of until the
Florida Trade and the Dickey trade. It's a lot of
like maybe not so much of the time, but definitely
in retrospect, like experimental, let's see if this works kind
of deals.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Oil Boy.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Brandon Moro was good in twenty twelve two point nine
to sixty R and twenty.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Starts Boil Boy Cheez.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
But man, everybody in this lineup is so bad. Nobody
ops plus over one hundred except for Batista and Ancarnacion,
who both are unbelievable. And this is the year that
Edwin moves to D eight and his forty two home runs,
and you're like, oh, I see what's going on here.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
We have two good hitters.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Maybe we should build it, Maybe we should build around
THO two.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Twenty twelve, they also trade Travis Snyder in the middle
of a game for Brad Lincoln, which is among the worst.
That's as low as I've been as a Blue Jays fan,
I think, to be honest, I was so sad. And
then and then you know, Escobar writes homopombic language on
his face, twelve season was really dark, it really bad season.
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And then the next year. I mean, this is the
talk about crazy off seasons. You talk about, you talk
about you know, we did it. We've done the story
time about remember where you were when they traded for
Tuloh and remember where you were that when they traded for.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Price?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Right, do you remember where you were November nineteenth, twenty twelve,
when the deal was Henderson Alvarez, Anthony Desk, Laffini, You,
Nail Escobar and Danny Hextavaria, Jake, Marisnik, Jeff and Justin
Nicolino for Bonifacio, Buck Burley, Johnson, Reyes and.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Cash I do.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I was sitting in my basement apartment at Queen and
Dovercourt in Toronto, and I remember the at the time.
I don't know if it's better now with the way
cell technology works, but my phone didn't get reception in
my apartment and I remember running out of my apartment
onto the street to call my friend and be like,
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did you do you see what's happening? Because, like I,
we thought this was it. Yes, the team, the team
was there, those those pieces around Bautista and Ncrenescion were happening.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, absolutely incredible. I also I reconnected with a friend
I hadn't spoken to in years this night and went
to his house and we wrote down lineups on paper.
We were so excited. My friend Adam. At the time,
I was like we were in a small feud and
I was like, dude, the blue days are gonna be relevant,
and he was like, let's put our problems aside. I
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remember the remember this starting with like the Blue Days
are getting Josh Johnson was what Ken Rosenthal said Burley.
It was Burley headed to Blue Jays along with Josh Johnson.
Sources tell me and John Morossi with Kenrosen Fall tweeted
at six thirteen and then six twenty. Conclusion of Rays unconfirmed.
What we know is Burley and Josh Johnson to Jay's
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Escobar hatcha Veria to Marlins more coming both ways again
more names of this the Big Ones, Rays, Burley, Josh Johnson.
This is six thirty. I remember where I was. I
was at the score with Andrew McKay. It was me
and Andrew McKay.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
That's where we were.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
And then I got off my shoe.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Chick take chuck that season really hard.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
He did, he was, he was that. He sort of
invented the term full full. Jay's talk was Andrew McKay, Yeah,
sort of quoted.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
It would of course end in tears. Reyes would get hurt,
Johnson would never be good. Burley would go on to
be a legend. However, and no, Noah Sinderguard, I don't
think you ever played again.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's right, because the Dickie trade was like two days later,
I want to sign Dickey.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Trade was it was? It was a couple of weeks.
It was, it was mid It was a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Like, first we get December, I think I want to
go back and really, damn it felt everything was back
to back, back in the day, right, So yeah, November
was November nineteenth was the deal. They also signed Malkie
Cabrara that morning.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
People forget right.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I thought. I also thought Malki was gonna be.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
A big piece, and then I want good he left.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
It was like, oh, by the way, his spine has
been broken from the last year. It's like, oh cool,
not two physicals.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Is that another thing you're doing?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
It was the nineteenth was the first deal, and the
second deal was December seventeenth, twenty twelve. Wilmer, Wilimber, Sarah
john Buck, Travis Darnaut for cindergard In Sindergard for Dicky
Nikias and Josh Tolly who you have to take if
you have Ari Dickey.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yes, it's funny you bring up the rays injury and
like where the where we use I remember the rais
injury because remember that that was weird because like they
started terribly and then they went on. I want to
say it was like an eleven game win streak to
sort of be get back in the picture. And then
the wheels started to fall off again. The injury races
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injury acting might have been pre win streak, but I
remember it wasn't going well and Reys hurt himself. I
want to say, sliding into seconds.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
It's correct, and he cried.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, and it was like, well, there it is.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It was. It was that thing of like it's not
going well, but the team is built so well that
like they could turn around at a moment's notice.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Yeah, I believe it was.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Then it was like, oh, okay, I believe it was
April twelfth, was the game rangers himself and he does
not play again until June twenty sixth.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
And then fuck was Iras forever also.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Turns out the piece of shit.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
So that's yeah, and we got a much better short
stop for it.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
We all know where this goes. It is all a
road to the team we know and love. And we
talked about twenty fifteen team take a drink all the time,
and you we find twenty fifteen trades. Talk on previous
episodes of Sports Phol Historic Times. We're going to cap
this one off there. I think getting us to the
Florida trade is sort of Darneault. I think being involved
in this sort of closes the book on the beginning
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and the end of that. So that is it for
this month's edition of Sports Paul the story Time. That's
the Holladay Versus Burnett's story. I had a great time
going back and looking back at this era of the
Blue Jays, a team that is always near and dear
to my heart, and I think was both better and
worse than I remember. We thank you all so much
the patron audience. You guys are the best for coming
along on this ride with us. We will talk to
you again next month for a brand new episode of
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Sports Felt Storytime.
Well.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Today in Philadelphia, Roy Halliday was officially introduced to the media,
and in true Holiday fashion, he started by thanking Toronto. Now,
it's unfortunate due to the economic disparity in the game,
he couldn't finish his career with the Jays. He wanted
to go with a contender, and us you spend, you
can't contend Philly spends. Claude Faye has more in this report.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'd like to start first of all by thanking you know,
everybody in Toronto, the fans, your organization, the people. It's
been a big part of my life and something I'll
never forget.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
The dealing of Roy Halliday to the Phillies proved to
be a complex three team trade initiated by the Phillies
at the Baseball Winter Meetings, consummated last Sunday and finalized Wednesday,
sending the twelve year Jay and winning his pitcher in
the majors since two thousand and two, to the Phillies
along with six million dollars a place The thirty two
year old had long made a pitch for it.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It was an easy decision for me, I think once
the opportunity came up to be a part of this.
It was something I couldn't pass up. And you know,
I think there's you know, things not only in business
but in life that you know are worth it, and
for me, this was one of those things.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Sports it is.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Sports Felt Storytime.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
We were back once again to close out the Halliday
versus Burnett Sports Felt story Time two thousand and nine.
What a time to be a Blue Jays fan. I
was a big time two thousand and nine Blue Jays fan,
not afraid to say it. In the last episode, we
looked at Roy Holliday, one of his last true gems,
the complete game win over A. J.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Burnett and the New York Yankees.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
The pinnacle of that season is they would then go
on a gigantic losing streak. They would hit the garbage
pail and the Yankees win the World's But for one night,
Holliday was the correct answer and Burnett was the loser,
and we boot him off the field and it felt
so good. It was a fun time that night. It
would then sort of morph into this is what being
a Blue Jays fan is in this era, and really
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the question after that, the question after.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
That was.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
What is going to become of Roy Holliday and we
knew that there was a chance he was going to
get traded. He was I believe he was one year
away from free agency, and it was, you know, similar
to I think what we went through in March of
this year with Kyle Lowry of like is it do
you get nothing for Royal Halliday? And he wanted to
get something. And Alexanthopolis took this team over in October
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October third, two thousand and nine. Al Saithopoulos took over
in December sixteenth. Harry Lee Roy Howiday the third Is
traded the Philadelphia Phillies for Travis Darnault, Kyle Drebeck and
Michael Taylor. Then then shifted this is the thing that
people forget. They then traded Michael Taylor for Brett Wallace
and for Brett Wallace.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I do remember I remember being very high on both
those guys. I remember like like this was a big
period as Blue Jays fans of like being talking yourself
into lesser returns.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
So listen, I thought Caldre Kyle Drabek was gonna be
really good. I was like Kyl drey Beck's and and he.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Was also one of those guys were like every spring
he put together like four innings. Yeah, you're like, it's happening.
It's Kyle Drei bick time.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
As being Sean Reid Foley.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
If you want to make a like a modern day,
it's like every year you're like man if Reid Foley
finds the finds the command. Look out never finds the command.
So yeah, it was I remember I remember being very
sad about this, of course, because Howiday was a lifelong
blue Jay and and is such a great journey he
had made the minor leagues that the turnaround Travis Darno
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ended up being I think he was an al star
like last year.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
I just don't know, is yeah, he turned into.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
A serviceable Yeah, of course drey Beak would be nothing,
Taylor would be nothing, Wallace would be nothing. So way
she goes with where how I did. But of course
he would go on to the Phillies. He would throw
a perfect game in the regular season against the Marlins,
and he would throw a no hitter in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
It was we know, we talked.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
We were asked in a recent mail bag about whether
we loved Jose or Doc Moore, and I think we
both said Jose because he had those fuck you moments
and he got to prove everybody wrong. And Doc got
to do that, but he didn't get through that as
a Blue Jay. I remember being so proud, so proud
when he threw the perfect game, and when he his
first playoff start was a no hitter. It was like, Wow,
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if we had had this, it would have been just
the greatest possible thing for me.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It was a really interesting moment as a sports fan
because it came right at like was it twenty ten?
So I'm like, I just turned twenty two, so that's
like peak like petty angry sports years. And I've always
hated the Phillies. I still hate the Phillies and having
to sort of at especially at that, like now, if
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that happened, you can It'd be very easy as thirty
two year old me to sort of put it aside
and be like, well, like, that's amazing for Doc, he
a that he did. That be the context like awesome, awesome.
Putting that aside. It's twenty two year old and me
was tough.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
You were you were angry, you were not happy.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It wasn't I wasn't happy. It was hard for me
to separate how happy I was for Doc and how
angry I was that he didn't deal with us, and
that he did it with the Phillies, right.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
You hated the Phillies, right right, right, I.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Hate the Phillies. And it was also like it was
hard to accept that, like Roy, that it wasn't really
anger at Halliday, it was anger at the Jays right,
that they had literally Roy Halladay and could never put
it together till it was kind of like, look what
he does. Yeah, when he made the playoffs, he threw
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a literal no hitter.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Boy Boy twenty ten, Phillies ninety seven and sixty five.
The rotation Holladay Hammels was Walter. Yeah, like crazy, crazy
crazy they Kyle Kendrick.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
That rotation was fucking gross.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
And like you know Peek, Ryan Howard, Peak, Chase Utley, crazy,
Jamie Garno, Jason Worth. Yeah, incredible. I think that's the
interesting that you sort of battled those things. I remember
the big thing that year was we got Howaday versus
Linsicum in a playoff tool and that was like the
game to watch because those fucking, those fucking giants that
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were in this every single year back then.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I'm so happy that you are on the same side
of the Giants discourse.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Good Lord, good people are friends who lowered themselves, hated,
lowered themselves into becoming Giants fans.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Disgusting discust this day to this day. They shouldn't be
all to live that down.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
It's crazy to me. It's crazy to me anyway. Yeah,
uh boy, and thought was sneaky gets busy this this
little bit. He also trades Brandon League for Brandon Morrow.
That's a pretty nice piece of business.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
That is a good piece of business. I actually forgot
how Brandon Morrow came to Toronto sing about him the
other day because I was playing the show and he
popped up.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
And then in his first draft in June, he drafts
Jack Deck maguire eleventh overall. Okay, okay, Aaron Sanchez thirty
fourth overall, Noah Cindergard thirty eighth overall. Uh Asherwashkowski, who
I think is still kicking around, but it's maybe burned out.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
Of the league.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Jesus, Justin Nicolino, Sam Dyson, Sean Nolan, Dalton, Pompei, Miles Jay.
And he drafts Chris Bryant in the eighteenth rout of
twenty ten draft.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, I don't think I knew that.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yeah, sneaky huh a double.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
He did his thing.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
They traded Bret Wallace by July of this year for
Anthony Gos, who would of course become uh Den TVN
Travis and Anthony Osa. I believe he was breaking into
the league as a pitcher this year.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
He definitely was last year. I don't know if he
I haven't seen anything about him this year, but I
do remember that was like that was a story last
year and he was apparently pretty good.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah, twenty ten Blue Day would bounce back. This is
sort of the irony as they are better in twenty
ten without Doc than they were the year previous when
they were seventy five eighty seven. They go eighty five
and seventy seven, still fourth in the East, still eleven
games back of a playoff. But it is the story
of twenty ten is Josey Batista officially becomes a thing.
(08:38):
Swinging a drive high Bypa love Field.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
This is deep DESTI day Posa Martisa.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
His first hit at hits tornandous his home run number fifteen, right,
he hits fifty four home runs. Vernon Wells does not
(09:09):
play that well, but Jose Batista it becomes like a
capital t thing. Adam Lynde has a crappy year, but
it's Batista, and it was John Buck and Edwin and
Crnasion hits twenty home runs but cannot stay on the
field at third base, and you sort of start to
see this next generation of Blue Jay teams create itself
(09:30):
under the pile of rubble that was the end of
the previous regime. And here Merrill makes thirty two starts, Romero, Markham,
Cecil Morals, Apschinsky is your most common five.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
It's it's funny you bring up both Vernon and then
all those sort of draft moves and early moves of
and thoughtless, because in my brain, the first an thoughtless
move was getting out from Wells's contract.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
That was his first His first movie was Getting Out
from Halliday. It's It's Wells is January twenty first, twenty
eleven is Vernon Wells.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I know, which is crazy to me. But like as
we've talked about many times over the story time, these
Jay's years are have sort of been rewritten in all
our minds, And like the Wells deal, I thought was
at least a year earlier than it was, and I
remember it being like the new Guy's great he got
(10:30):
it's side for that contract, which also, as we discussed,
isn't as bad a contract as it may have seemed. No,
But but that is my first an thoughtless memory.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
So you want to talk about memories of this era
the very next year, I mean you talk about it's
hard to It's hard to explain into somebody that wasn't
there in twenty eleven what it was like to have
Brett Laurie appear.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
If you could forget about it, Brett Murray has Jesse or.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Doctor that sentence.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
It's one of those things.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
If you weren't there, it would be impossible to explain
to you what it was like to show up the
next year and it's Brett Laurie and he is the boy.
The forty three games of Brett Laurie in twenty eleven
is like, is it forty three?
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Yeah? Man, forty three games?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I again memory being wrong. I thought it was like
two weeks.
Speaker 6 (11:58):
About a month and a half.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, Like of obviously the home the walk off against
Boston is like, is the big moment and.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
The Grand Slam?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, but man, I realized it was that it was
forty three games. But yeah, it was like to your point,
of like you had to be there. It was like
the next superstar, like not even like it's funny being
on as talking about Jose Bautista becoming a thing and
(12:26):
like literally having a guy who hit fifty home runs,
but like Brett Laurie was like, dude, I'm I'm sure
the Canadian nests played into it.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
It did, but but it was also.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Like, this guy's going to be the best player in
the league.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
The way that he played was like boy, oh boy,
it's hard to.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
It was like, there's no way he's not going to
be a superstar.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
He already is. Like it was immediate he was going
to be a superstar. But the Batisto hit forty three
the next.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Year, especially with the Jays of a team that had
for years since since ninety three, maybe you can make
an argument since like the Delgado years, like a team
with no sense of identity at all. M hmm, a
team that was literally changing up their uniforms every few
years had such a lack of identity. And then you
(13:15):
have a guy like Lauri who's Canadian and plays like
he did. Not only do you think he was gonna
be a star, but you thought he was like gonna
be not just like face the franchise in a Chipple sense,
like was gonna set the tone for this like rough
and tumble kind of team, which is kind of funny
based on what the Jays would become right after he left.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah, and it's funny hearing you say that. It was
like how many how long it took for them to
accept that, Like the new face of the team was
Batista right like it was, yeah, it was Laurie and
then it was like, you know, we're gonna find the
twenty twelve guys the next year. It's gonna be Reis.
It's gonna be It's like the whole time, it's like
(13:56):
it's Fatista man, like you have you have the guy.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
That's a really good point that I think is obviously
I think that's a thought and like a consideration I've
had before, but I don't think I've ever been able
to like phrase Thom That's a really good way.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
To put it.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
They go eighty one and eighty one under John Ferrell
in twenty eleven in that crazy Brettlawer year. You don't
escubar One of the guys to remember, Eric Thames, who
I had took a sign that said blame Thames at
one point. Yeah, I was hard on Eric Thames because
he was stealing Kramas Snyder's job. Gradually, Davis came aboard
and they traded for Kolbe Rasmus in the middle of
(14:32):
that year, twenty four year old Kolby Rasmus.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I remember exactly where I was when that trade happened.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Boy, he was bad in his first season with the Jays.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I was. I was at a in the midst of
taking a bartending course because I just moved back to Toronto
after being dumped and was kind of lost. I was like, oh,
learned to be a bartender and I was. I remember
I was at lunch, sitting alone in a sushi restaurant
eating like a bento box. They had like a it
had the score, I guess, or yeah, I guess it
(15:14):
would have been the score at that time. So on
the TV and that the breaking ticker came up, they traded.
I want to say it was Edwin Jackson, Kobe Rasmus.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Think you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And I remember I was so high on Colby.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yeah he had that, he had that one incredible year.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
I was traded by the Cardinals with Miller talent and
Walters for Hotel, Edwin Jackson, Corey Patterson, and Mark Sceptinski.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So yes, I was ready for Kobe Rasmus to be
my favorite player until and like in a lot of ways,
maybe he was.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I was going to will it to happen if he
wasn't going to be either way.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, well I was having the hut To picture.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
I guess that's right, the chicken dog up front, boil boy,
Uh what, like just a.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Lot of It's funny how Anthopolis now is sort of
held up as the golden god in Toronto, which, like
I understand I'm not saying is incorrect, but like a
lot of just like throwing darts at a board.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Those first few years, well, I mean they give up
nothing in the other end of that, right, there's like nothing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It just feels like a lot of But that's what
I mean. It feels like a lot of until the
Florida Trade and the Dickey trade. It's a lot of
like maybe not so much of the time, but definitely
in retrospect, like experimental, let's see if this works kind
of deals.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Oil Boy.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Brandon Moro was good in twenty twelve two point nine
to sixty R and twenty.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Starts Boil Boy Cheez.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
But man, everybody in this lineup is so bad. Nobody
ops plus over one hundred except for Batista and Ancarnacion,
who both are unbelievable. And this is the year that
Edwin moves to D eight and his forty two home runs,
and you're like, oh, I see what's going on here.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
We have two good hitters.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Maybe we should build it, Maybe we should build around
THO two.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Twenty twelve, they also trade Travis Snyder in the middle
of a game for Brad Lincoln, which is among the worst.
That's as low as I've been as a Blue Jays fan,
I think, to be honest, I was so sad. And
then and then you know, Escobar writes homopombic language on
his face, twelve season was really dark, it really bad season.
(17:29):
And then the next year. I mean, this is the
talk about crazy off seasons. You talk about, you talk
about you know, we did it. We've done the story
time about remember where you were when they traded for
Tuloh and remember where you were that when they traded for.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Price?
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Right, do you remember where you were November nineteenth, twenty twelve,
when the deal was Henderson Alvarez, Anthony Desk, Laffini, You,
Nail Escobar and Danny Hextavaria, Jake, Marisnik, Jeff and Justin
Nicolino for Bonifacio, Buck Burley, Johnson, Reyes and.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Cash I do.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I was sitting in my basement apartment at Queen and
Dovercourt in Toronto, and I remember the at the time.
I don't know if it's better now with the way
cell technology works, but my phone didn't get reception in
my apartment and I remember running out of my apartment
onto the street to call my friend and be like,
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did you do you see what's happening? Because, like I,
we thought this was it. Yes, the team, the team
was there, those those pieces around Bautista and Ncrenescion were happening.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, absolutely incredible. I also I reconnected with a friend
I hadn't spoken to in years this night and went
to his house and we wrote down lineups on paper.
We were so excited. My friend Adam. At the time,
I was like we were in a small feud and
I was like, dude, the blue days are gonna be relevant,
and he was like, let's put our problems aside. I
(19:05):
remember the remember this starting with like the Blue Days
are getting Josh Johnson was what Ken Rosenthal said Burley.
It was Burley headed to Blue Jays along with Josh Johnson.
Sources tell me and John Morossi with Kenrosen Fall tweeted
at six thirteen and then six twenty. Conclusion of Rays unconfirmed.
What we know is Burley and Josh Johnson to Jay's
(19:26):
Escobar hatcha Veria to Marlins more coming both ways again
more names of this the Big Ones, Rays, Burley, Josh Johnson.
This is six thirty. I remember where I was. I
was at the score with Andrew McKay. It was me
and Andrew McKay.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
That's where we were.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
And then I got off my shoe.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Chick take chuck that season really hard.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
He did, he was, he was that. He sort of
invented the term full full. Jay's talk was Andrew McKay, Yeah,
sort of quoted.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
It would of course end in tears. Reyes would get hurt,
Johnson would never be good. Burley would go on to
be a legend. However, and no, Noah Sinderguard, I don't
think you ever played again.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's right, because the Dickie trade was like two days later,
I want to sign Dickey.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
Trade was it was? It was a couple of weeks.
It was, it was mid It was a couple of weeks.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Like, first we get December, I think I want to
go back and really, damn it felt everything was back
to back, back in the day, right, So yeah, November
was November nineteenth was the deal. They also signed Malkie
Cabrara that morning.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
People forget right.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I thought. I also thought Malki was gonna be.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
A big piece, and then I want good he left.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
It was like, oh, by the way, his spine has
been broken from the last year. It's like, oh cool,
not two physicals.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Is that another thing you're doing?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
It was the nineteenth was the first deal, and the
second deal was December seventeenth, twenty twelve. Wilmer, Wilimber, Sarah
john Buck, Travis Darnaut for cindergard In Sindergard for Dicky
Nikias and Josh Tolly who you have to take if
you have Ari Dickey.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yes, it's funny you bring up the rays injury and
like where the where we use I remember the rais
injury because remember that that was weird because like they
started terribly and then they went on. I want to
say it was like an eleven game win streak to
sort of be get back in the picture. And then
the wheels started to fall off again. The injury races
(21:13):
injury acting might have been pre win streak, but I
remember it wasn't going well and Reys hurt himself. I
want to say, sliding into seconds.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
It's correct, and he cried.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, and it was like, well, there it is.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It was. It was that thing of like it's not
going well, but the team is built so well that
like they could turn around at a moment's notice.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Yeah, I believe it was.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Then it was like, oh, okay, I believe it was
April twelfth, was the game rangers himself and he does
not play again until June twenty sixth.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
And then fuck was Iras forever also.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Turns out the piece of shit.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
So that's yeah, and we got a much better short
stop for it.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
We all know where this goes. It is all a
road to the team we know and love. And we
talked about twenty fifteen team take a drink all the time,
and you we find twenty fifteen trades. Talk on previous
episodes of Sports Phol Historic Times. We're going to cap
this one off there. I think getting us to the
Florida trade is sort of Darneault. I think being involved
in this sort of closes the book on the beginning
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and the end of that. So that is it for
this month's edition of Sports Paul the story Time. That's
the Holladay Versus Burnett's story. I had a great time
going back and looking back at this era of the
Blue Jays, a team that is always near and dear
to my heart, and I think was both better and
worse than I remember. We thank you all so much
the patron audience. You guys are the best for coming
along on this ride with us. We will talk to
you again next month for a brand new episode of
(22:37):
Sports Felt Storytime.
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