July 7, 2025 • 14 mins
An Encouraging Reminder That When Facing Trials, We Can Trust God To Bring Us Through
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Starcares, a weekly program that delves into the
issues that impact you and your family. This program is
a public affairs feature of this radio station. Now here's
your host, Michael Leach.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Too often we say we believe in God's goodness, but
when we're faced with trials or tragedy, our faith is
put to the test. My guest today, author and Christian
musician Michelle Wilkins, believes that experiences with profound grief and
loss reveal our true character and our beliefs. Michelle Wilkins,
thank you for joining me today and welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Absolutely so. You have written a resource entitled A Rise,
Shine and Conquer. Why did you write that resource?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know, I mentor a lot of young ladies, and
I noticed that during the different difficult moments in their lives,
they were actually losing battles they didn't have to lose
because they were not sure if God was who he
said he was in that moment. And so it's important
in that moment, when you're walking through a dark time
(01:05):
or challenging time, that you realize the power of God
and that He is actually the treasure hidden in dark
places if he looked for him.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Our lives reveal what is truly in our hearts, especially
in those difficult times. How did you discover this in
your own life?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Oh my gosh, in the middle of a very difficult time.
What came out of my heart was, I don't deserve this.
You know, maybe someone else deserves this kind of trial,
But I'm a good person. I do this for God,
that for good. I've trialed, I do missions, I do
all these things. I don't deserve this kind of trial.
And this sensitive entitlement came pouring out of my heart.
And you know what, I wouldn't have believed it was
(01:41):
there if he had told me prior to that moment.
And so when you go through the fires, kind of
like tea, you don't get that bold flavor until it's
in hot water, all all of that flavor comes out. Well,
that's exactly what happened. What was in my heart began
to come out, and everything that came out wasn't so great,
but it was good that I saw it, good that
I understood that I truly need to lead on the
(02:01):
Lord a lot more.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And then as you were going through I know this
because I studied your work. After you move through the
entitlement phase, you began to praise the Lord. What prompted
you to turn to praise during that difficult moment? How
did you press in?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Let me make it very clear, I didn't feel like
doing it at all in the beginning. But the reason
why I did that was because I knew that the
alternative was to fall into a pit that was telling
me that God wasn't good, telling me that somehow this
was maybe my fault, and all of the anger and
frustration and depression and anxiety was waiting for me. And
(02:37):
I knew that if I fell into that pit, I
didn't know how long I was going to be there
or who I would become in that pit, And so
the only thing I knew to do was to turn
my face away from where my emotions were automatically leading
me to and say, God, I'm going to pull your
face to my face, I'm going to look into your eyes.
I'm going to cling to you like never before. And
(02:58):
the only thing I need to do was to begin
to worship the Lord, begin to sing He's good, He's good,
You are good, You are good. That's the only thing
I need to do to rescue myself out of that pit,
and so after a time of worship, you know it's true.
The Lord really is close to the broken heart of
He showed up in a powerful, beautiful way in that
moment as I began to worship, right in the middle
(03:19):
of a place and time that didn't make sense and
didn't feel good.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Let's talk about why spending time in God's word and
in his presence is really key to understanding God's perspective.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, you know, life comes out all of us pretty fast,
and they can knock the wind out of us. And
these are the moments where it's crucial. It's crucial to
know what you believe. And so if you don't read
the Word, if you don't spend time with him and
understand his personality, his character, his principles, you're going to
be floundering around trying to figure out what to do
in the middle of a very intense moment. And in
(03:51):
those moments where we're broken hearted, they can lead us
to a wrong path if we're not careful, because we're
so vulnerable and we're emotional, and we can find ourselves
doing things that aren't going to edify us, aren't going
to build us up. They're going to end up causing
us to regret because that moment is so intense. So
the thing that anchors us is to know who he
is and know what he said, and that's what you
(04:13):
cling to. And so it's very important to spend time
with him because these are the moments that build us
up and prepare us for those very difficult times, so
that we stand we are anchored in Him and that
we are full of His wisdom and powered by the
Holy Spirit. We hold his hand as he escorts us
through the ups and downs of life. And it's important
to do that because people are watching. What's the difference
(04:34):
between you going through a trial and an unbeliever going
through the trial if you're just as frustrated or just
making decisions that are destructive to you and your family,
your health. And so, as an unbeliever, how can you
show that God is real in the middle of it?
Can He really keep you? Where is the hope in
the darkness? And so it's really important that we walk
through with the Lord because it really is an example
(04:56):
of his power. We can talk about God all day long,
but people are watching our walk. I think it's really
important to know who He is. And what he said,
especially in challenging times.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
When we go through challenging times, sometimes we blame others
and think it's their fault. Sometimes we have to forgive,
and there may be times that we have to forgive ourselves.
Why do you believe forgiveness is essential to the Christian life?
And what spiritual and emotional benefits does it bring.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
If you are not a well oiled machine or forgiveness,
you're going to get stuck. Unforgiveness is like a ball
and shame kind of situation where it prevents you from
forward movement. It prevents you from growing in God. It
prevents you from being all of what God intended you
to be because you just stay in one spot. And
if we're not careful, it grows into bitterness and it
(05:42):
actually affects your physical health. Unforgiveness is so destructive to ourselves.
We have to forgive, especially when you're a believer. You
understand that your whole belief in Christ, you becoming saved,
is based on the principle of forgiveness. He forgave you,
He forgave me right, and so we have to be
able to extend that same grace to others because we're
(06:05):
going to offend people, They're going to offend us, and
if we don't release that offense, we're going to get stuck.
And God doesn't want that for our lives.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And as we move forward, we know that Jesus calls
us to share the gospel as Christians, as disciples. Yet
many may feel unqualified or unsure. What encouragement would you
give those who don't feel equipped to promote, don't feel
equipped to move forward the great commission?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know you have everything that you need. And if
we don't believe that, we will think, oh, I'm not
able or I'm not equipped and not adequate enough. But
you have to believe what God says. And a lot
of times we know that it's true in our minds,
but it hasn't sunk down to the reality of our
hearts that we live out and believe. God wants to
(06:51):
be believed when he says something, he wants to be believed.
He would never lie to us, and so it's not
based on our feelings, but knowing that the Holy Spirit
is fully capable of in that moment, In that moment,
you may not be prepared up until that very moment
when you open up your mouth to speak, he will
feel your mouth. Why because he loves the person you're
(07:13):
talking to and he wants to pour into that person
that you're speaking to. And so as you open up
your mouth and begin to share God's love, he'll speak
through you because he's reaching into that person's heart to
hold their hand and to invite them into a relationship.
So it's not about you or what you can and
cannot do in that moment. It's the business between the
(07:33):
Holy Spirit and the person he's reaching out to through
your life. And let's not get in the way of that.
Let's just believe God and be ready for whatever he wants,
knowing that he will not fail.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
We are so strong in that belief when we're kind
of in the mountaintop experiences, but during those seasons of hardship,
it really can be tough to sense God's presence and
sense God's purpose. So in those times of being in
the crucible, how can we remain faithful s I'll trust
God's plans when times are really hard. Let's do real
(08:04):
talk here, So real talk.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You will never trust who you don't know or don't know,
well you're not really sure? Well are they really for me?
Are they really going to be there for me? Are
they going to show up like they need to. You're
going to question someone's character if you don't know them. Now.
My mom, I know her, She's solid. I have a
relationship with her, and if I need something, or if
there's something that I need her to protect her or
(08:27):
watch for me. I know that she loves me so
much that she's got my back. It's there's no question.
And so when it comes to the Lord, if I'm
struggling to trust him, it's a relational thing. I need
to get to know him better to understand that he's
completely trustworthy and his ideas are going to be far
better than mine. His ways are going to be far
(08:47):
better than what I could come up with, and I
have to be able to relax in that. I remember
telling the Lord many years ago and out in my twenties.
I had to be very brutally honest with him and
I said, I don't trust you. I am struggling. I'm
terrified of this thing I'm getting ready to walk into.
And it's because I don't trust you. Are you really
going to be there for me? And I had a
real conversation with him, and he said, in my heart
(09:08):
I could feel it. He said, come and get to
know me, and you won't have this issue. And so
I began to sit with him. And so now twenty
years later, I'm realizing that there are moments where, yeah,
my NIE's going to be knocking, like, oh Lord, this
looks impossible. This looks like a goliath in front of me.
I want to be like David and say, do you
know who my God is? Who is this uncircumcised situation
(09:30):
setting in front of me? Right? I want to be
like that. And so I said, Lord, I want to
impress you. I want you to marvel. I want you
to marvel at my faith in you. And so this
is my opportunity. As I look at this great, big
mountain that looks impossible to scale. God, I'm standing on
your word. Now. Everything looks crazy and feels crazy. But
(09:51):
I will not be led by my emotions because guess
what they're going to tell me a lot of times,
what's completely opposite of God's word. All Right, I cannot
lead on my emotions. To learn to do that, that's hard,
but We've got to learn to say, my emotions feel
this way, but God's word said this, Which way am
I going to choose where am I going to stand?
And you got to make a real decision. You can't
flounder around without having made that decision. Is God good
(10:14):
in this moment or not? Is He who he says
he is in this moment or not? And based off
what I believe, my actions and my reactions will follow.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
MI shall speak to someone who is hearing and endeavoring
to live in the ways that we're speaking about victoriously
in God. But they've fallen, and so they feel like
a failure, like they can really really never recover. What
are your words, because you emphasize that falling is not failure.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
No, not at all. You know, the Lord is so sweet.
He covered everything. He covered your mistakes that you were
going to have. He covered the moments that we would
be confused. He covered it. He gave us grace, a
whole lot of mercy, the Holy Spirit. He is ready
to forgive. In fact, he's so excited about forgiving those
when they come back to him and say, God, I'm sorry,
(11:03):
I'm messed up that he even painted the pictures for
us to see how excited he is when we come
back to him with a story about the prodigal son
his arms fly wide open. He's running towards you as
you're coming back. He's excited and ready to celebrate. They
had a party for him, celebrate the fact that you said,
you know what, I made a mistake. I'm sorry. He's
(11:23):
not wanting his finger at you. He's not angry. He said, come, come, come,
I cannot wait to be in right standing with you again,
or you'd be in right standing with me again. So
there's an excitement about coming back to the Lord that
he just can't wait to celebrate. So when we fall,
we make mistakes, we mess up. We're hard on ourselves, right,
I'm one hundred percent of my hands in the air.
We can be critical of ourselves. We can kind of
(11:45):
wallow and guild longer than we probably need to. But
God is saying, no, that's not my heart, that's not
me at all. Listen, you fallen, and it's okay. I've
got you. I've got you. And when you feel and
know that God, the creative, all the universe has your back,
whether you're on a mountaintop or in a valley low,
you'll live differently. Those who live loved by God, who
(12:08):
are aware of his love, they walk differently. And so
it's all about getting to know him and believing what
he said. Once that thing hits your heart and you
begin to live it out, everything changes with all.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's going on in the world. I do want you
to take a few moments to talk about us surrendering
to find peace, the peace of God. Talk with us
about that.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You know, it's hard. It seems like everything is going
bananas all around us, maybe emotionally, within yourself, maybe within
your family. Then you look at the nation and you
look at the world, and it can be difficult to
find peace. But peace is a person. It's not an emotion.
It's a person. And if you're desiring to find peace,
(12:51):
then you go to the one who you love, he's
your greatest love, and you say, I've come for peace.
I've come for an exchange, he said in the word,
he said, come to me when you're heavy, make an exchange. Come.
I'll give you what I've got, and you give me
what you've got. And I literally do that. It's not
some undefined spiritual thing that I'm just trying to figure
out how to do. I literally sit on the floor
(13:11):
and I say I've come for an exchange. I am weighty,
I'm heavy right now, and I'll either worship or sit
at his feet and just pour out my heart to him.
And then I'll lay there quietly and just listen and
let him speak to me. Give him time to speak
to your own heart. And after that time and his
presence he washes over us. He's not going to withhold
peace from us if we come to him and spend
(13:32):
that time. He's not an evil father. He loves us.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
How can we learn more? Our time has ended and
we've discussed so much today. How can we learn more
about what's been discussed? And where can we get a
copy of your resource? Learn more about you?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah? So you can get a copy of my devotional
Right Shine and Conquer on Amazon or Barnes and Noble
online and you can reach me. I love people, so
I look forward to meeting people. I love you to
follow me on my Instagram, which is my music one
word and I spell my name M Y s H
E L Music. And you can also come to Mishell
(14:06):
Wilkins dot com. I can't wait to.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Meet you Michelle Wilkins dot com, Mishelle Wilkins dot com
and then my show music on Instagram. Thank you so
much for joining today and sharing your story and encouraging
us to arise, shine and conquer.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Thank you, God, bless and thank.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You for listening. Won't you join me again? I'm your host,
Michael Legion. I am praying for you and praying that
the rest of your day is wonderful.
Welcome to Starcares, a weekly program that delves into the
issues that impact you and your family. This program is
a public affairs feature of this radio station. Now here's
your host, Michael Leach.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Too often we say we believe in God's goodness, but
when we're faced with trials or tragedy, our faith is
put to the test. My guest today, author and Christian
musician Michelle Wilkins, believes that experiences with profound grief and
loss reveal our true character and our beliefs. Michelle Wilkins,
thank you for joining me today and welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Absolutely so. You have written a resource entitled A Rise,
Shine and Conquer. Why did you write that resource?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know, I mentor a lot of young ladies, and
I noticed that during the different difficult moments in their lives,
they were actually losing battles they didn't have to lose
because they were not sure if God was who he
said he was in that moment. And so it's important
in that moment, when you're walking through a dark time
(01:05):
or challenging time, that you realize the power of God
and that He is actually the treasure hidden in dark
places if he looked for him.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Our lives reveal what is truly in our hearts, especially
in those difficult times. How did you discover this in
your own life?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Oh my gosh, in the middle of a very difficult time.
What came out of my heart was, I don't deserve this.
You know, maybe someone else deserves this kind of trial,
But I'm a good person. I do this for God,
that for good. I've trialed, I do missions, I do
all these things. I don't deserve this kind of trial.
And this sensitive entitlement came pouring out of my heart.
And you know what, I wouldn't have believed it was
(01:41):
there if he had told me prior to that moment.
And so when you go through the fires, kind of
like tea, you don't get that bold flavor until it's
in hot water, all all of that flavor comes out. Well,
that's exactly what happened. What was in my heart began
to come out, and everything that came out wasn't so great,
but it was good that I saw it, good that
I understood that I truly need to lead on the
(02:01):
Lord a lot more.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
And then as you were going through I know this
because I studied your work. After you move through the
entitlement phase, you began to praise the Lord. What prompted
you to turn to praise during that difficult moment? How
did you press in?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Let me make it very clear, I didn't feel like
doing it at all in the beginning. But the reason
why I did that was because I knew that the
alternative was to fall into a pit that was telling
me that God wasn't good, telling me that somehow this
was maybe my fault, and all of the anger and
frustration and depression and anxiety was waiting for me. And
(02:37):
I knew that if I fell into that pit, I
didn't know how long I was going to be there
or who I would become in that pit, And so
the only thing I knew to do was to turn
my face away from where my emotions were automatically leading
me to and say, God, I'm going to pull your
face to my face, I'm going to look into your eyes.
I'm going to cling to you like never before. And
(02:58):
the only thing I need to do was to begin
to worship the Lord, begin to sing He's good, He's good,
You are good, You are good. That's the only thing
I need to do to rescue myself out of that pit,
and so after a time of worship, you know it's true.
The Lord really is close to the broken heart of
He showed up in a powerful, beautiful way in that
moment as I began to worship, right in the middle
(03:19):
of a place and time that didn't make sense and
didn't feel good.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Let's talk about why spending time in God's word and
in his presence is really key to understanding God's perspective.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah, you know, life comes out all of us pretty fast,
and they can knock the wind out of us. And
these are the moments where it's crucial. It's crucial to
know what you believe. And so if you don't read
the Word, if you don't spend time with him and
understand his personality, his character, his principles, you're going to
be floundering around trying to figure out what to do
in the middle of a very intense moment. And in
(03:51):
those moments where we're broken hearted, they can lead us
to a wrong path if we're not careful, because we're
so vulnerable and we're emotional, and we can find ourselves
doing things that aren't going to edify us, aren't going
to build us up. They're going to end up causing
us to regret because that moment is so intense. So
the thing that anchors us is to know who he
is and know what he said, and that's what you
(04:13):
cling to. And so it's very important to spend time
with him because these are the moments that build us
up and prepare us for those very difficult times, so
that we stand we are anchored in Him and that
we are full of His wisdom and powered by the
Holy Spirit. We hold his hand as he escorts us
through the ups and downs of life. And it's important
to do that because people are watching. What's the difference
(04:34):
between you going through a trial and an unbeliever going
through the trial if you're just as frustrated or just
making decisions that are destructive to you and your family,
your health. And so, as an unbeliever, how can you
show that God is real in the middle of it?
Can He really keep you? Where is the hope in
the darkness? And so it's really important that we walk
through with the Lord because it really is an example
(04:56):
of his power. We can talk about God all day long,
but people are watching our walk. I think it's really
important to know who He is. And what he said,
especially in challenging times.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
When we go through challenging times, sometimes we blame others
and think it's their fault. Sometimes we have to forgive,
and there may be times that we have to forgive ourselves.
Why do you believe forgiveness is essential to the Christian life?
And what spiritual and emotional benefits does it bring.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
If you are not a well oiled machine or forgiveness,
you're going to get stuck. Unforgiveness is like a ball
and shame kind of situation where it prevents you from
forward movement. It prevents you from growing in God. It
prevents you from being all of what God intended you
to be because you just stay in one spot. And
if we're not careful, it grows into bitterness and it
(05:42):
actually affects your physical health. Unforgiveness is so destructive to ourselves.
We have to forgive, especially when you're a believer. You
understand that your whole belief in Christ, you becoming saved,
is based on the principle of forgiveness. He forgave you,
He forgave me right, and so we have to be
able to extend that same grace to others because we're
(06:05):
going to offend people, They're going to offend us, and
if we don't release that offense, we're going to get stuck.
And God doesn't want that for our lives.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
And as we move forward, we know that Jesus calls
us to share the gospel as Christians, as disciples. Yet
many may feel unqualified or unsure. What encouragement would you
give those who don't feel equipped to promote, don't feel
equipped to move forward the great commission?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know you have everything that you need. And if
we don't believe that, we will think, oh, I'm not
able or I'm not equipped and not adequate enough. But
you have to believe what God says. And a lot
of times we know that it's true in our minds,
but it hasn't sunk down to the reality of our
hearts that we live out and believe. God wants to
(06:51):
be believed when he says something, he wants to be believed.
He would never lie to us, and so it's not
based on our feelings, but knowing that the Holy Spirit
is fully capable of in that moment, In that moment,
you may not be prepared up until that very moment
when you open up your mouth to speak, he will
feel your mouth. Why because he loves the person you're
(07:13):
talking to and he wants to pour into that person
that you're speaking to. And so as you open up
your mouth and begin to share God's love, he'll speak
through you because he's reaching into that person's heart to
hold their hand and to invite them into a relationship.
So it's not about you or what you can and
cannot do in that moment. It's the business between the
(07:33):
Holy Spirit and the person he's reaching out to through
your life. And let's not get in the way of that.
Let's just believe God and be ready for whatever he wants,
knowing that he will not fail.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
We are so strong in that belief when we're kind
of in the mountaintop experiences, but during those seasons of hardship,
it really can be tough to sense God's presence and
sense God's purpose. So in those times of being in
the crucible, how can we remain faithful s I'll trust
God's plans when times are really hard. Let's do real
(08:04):
talk here, So real talk.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
You will never trust who you don't know or don't know,
well you're not really sure? Well are they really for me?
Are they really going to be there for me? Are
they going to show up like they need to. You're
going to question someone's character if you don't know them. Now.
My mom, I know her, She's solid. I have a
relationship with her, and if I need something, or if
there's something that I need her to protect her or
(08:27):
watch for me. I know that she loves me so
much that she's got my back. It's there's no question.
And so when it comes to the Lord, if I'm
struggling to trust him, it's a relational thing. I need
to get to know him better to understand that he's
completely trustworthy and his ideas are going to be far
better than mine. His ways are going to be far
(08:47):
better than what I could come up with, and I
have to be able to relax in that. I remember
telling the Lord many years ago and out in my twenties.
I had to be very brutally honest with him and
I said, I don't trust you. I am struggling. I'm
terrified of this thing I'm getting ready to walk into.
And it's because I don't trust you. Are you really
going to be there for me? And I had a
real conversation with him, and he said, in my heart
(09:08):
I could feel it. He said, come and get to
know me, and you won't have this issue. And so
I began to sit with him. And so now twenty
years later, I'm realizing that there are moments where, yeah,
my NIE's going to be knocking, like, oh Lord, this
looks impossible. This looks like a goliath in front of me.
I want to be like David and say, do you
know who my God is? Who is this uncircumcised situation
(09:30):
setting in front of me? Right? I want to be
like that. And so I said, Lord, I want to
impress you. I want you to marvel. I want you
to marvel at my faith in you. And so this
is my opportunity. As I look at this great, big
mountain that looks impossible to scale. God, I'm standing on
your word. Now. Everything looks crazy and feels crazy. But
(09:51):
I will not be led by my emotions because guess
what they're going to tell me a lot of times,
what's completely opposite of God's word. All Right, I cannot
lead on my emotions. To learn to do that, that's hard,
but We've got to learn to say, my emotions feel
this way, but God's word said this, Which way am
I going to choose where am I going to stand?
And you got to make a real decision. You can't
flounder around without having made that decision. Is God good
(10:14):
in this moment or not? Is He who he says
he is in this moment or not? And based off
what I believe, my actions and my reactions will follow.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
MI shall speak to someone who is hearing and endeavoring
to live in the ways that we're speaking about victoriously
in God. But they've fallen, and so they feel like
a failure, like they can really really never recover. What
are your words, because you emphasize that falling is not failure.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
No, not at all. You know, the Lord is so sweet.
He covered everything. He covered your mistakes that you were
going to have. He covered the moments that we would
be confused. He covered it. He gave us grace, a
whole lot of mercy, the Holy Spirit. He is ready
to forgive. In fact, he's so excited about forgiving those
when they come back to him and say, God, I'm sorry,
(11:03):
I'm messed up that he even painted the pictures for
us to see how excited he is when we come
back to him with a story about the prodigal son
his arms fly wide open. He's running towards you as
you're coming back. He's excited and ready to celebrate. They
had a party for him, celebrate the fact that you said,
you know what, I made a mistake. I'm sorry. He's
(11:23):
not wanting his finger at you. He's not angry. He said, come, come, come,
I cannot wait to be in right standing with you again,
or you'd be in right standing with me again. So
there's an excitement about coming back to the Lord that
he just can't wait to celebrate. So when we fall,
we make mistakes, we mess up. We're hard on ourselves, right,
I'm one hundred percent of my hands in the air.
We can be critical of ourselves. We can kind of
(11:45):
wallow and guild longer than we probably need to. But
God is saying, no, that's not my heart, that's not
me at all. Listen, you fallen, and it's okay. I've
got you. I've got you. And when you feel and
know that God, the creative, all the universe has your back,
whether you're on a mountaintop or in a valley low,
you'll live differently. Those who live loved by God, who
(12:08):
are aware of his love, they walk differently. And so
it's all about getting to know him and believing what
he said. Once that thing hits your heart and you
begin to live it out, everything changes with all.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's going on in the world. I do want you
to take a few moments to talk about us surrendering
to find peace, the peace of God. Talk with us
about that.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You know, it's hard. It seems like everything is going
bananas all around us, maybe emotionally, within yourself, maybe within
your family. Then you look at the nation and you
look at the world, and it can be difficult to
find peace. But peace is a person. It's not an emotion.
It's a person. And if you're desiring to find peace,
(12:51):
then you go to the one who you love, he's
your greatest love, and you say, I've come for peace.
I've come for an exchange, he said in the word,
he said, come to me when you're heavy, make an exchange. Come.
I'll give you what I've got, and you give me
what you've got. And I literally do that. It's not
some undefined spiritual thing that I'm just trying to figure
out how to do. I literally sit on the floor
(13:11):
and I say I've come for an exchange. I am weighty,
I'm heavy right now, and I'll either worship or sit
at his feet and just pour out my heart to him.
And then I'll lay there quietly and just listen and
let him speak to me. Give him time to speak
to your own heart. And after that time and his
presence he washes over us. He's not going to withhold
peace from us if we come to him and spend
(13:32):
that time. He's not an evil father. He loves us.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
How can we learn more? Our time has ended and
we've discussed so much today. How can we learn more
about what's been discussed? And where can we get a
copy of your resource? Learn more about you?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah? So you can get a copy of my devotional
Right Shine and Conquer on Amazon or Barnes and Noble
online and you can reach me. I love people, so
I look forward to meeting people. I love you to
follow me on my Instagram, which is my music one
word and I spell my name M Y s H
E L Music. And you can also come to Mishell
(14:06):
Wilkins dot com. I can't wait to.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Meet you Michelle Wilkins dot com, Mishelle Wilkins dot com
and then my show music on Instagram. Thank you so
much for joining today and sharing your story and encouraging
us to arise, shine and conquer.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Thank you, God, bless and thank.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You for listening. Won't you join me again? I'm your host,
Michael Legion. I am praying for you and praying that
the rest of your day is wonderful.
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