March 19, 2025 • 20 mins
What does it take to transition from a decorated sports career to a leadership role in the NBA? On this episode of Stay A While, host Tommi Vincent sits down with Swin Cash, Senior VP of Basketball Operations for the New Orleans Pelicans, to talk about resilience, leadership, and the lessons she’s learned from the court to the corporate world. Swin shares her experiences navigating professional sports, advocating for women in leadership, and building a career beyond the game. From overcoming setbacks to mentoring the next generation, this conversation is filled with valuable takeaways for anyone striving to make an impact in their industry.
Guest: Swin Cash
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to a special edition of Stale Wild, recorded live
on Radio Row at Super Bowl fifty nine. I'm your host,
Tommy Vincent, and we are going to be hearing some
dynamic conversations with phenomenal guests here on Radio Row. So
take a seat, get comfortable in stale Wild job. This
episode is sponsored by the House of Joy. Hi everyone,
(00:24):
it's Tommy Vincent, your host of Stale Wild podcast, and
today I have joining me at the table Swin Cash,
Senior Vice president of basketball Operations and team Development for
the New Orleans Pelicans. Welcome to stale Wild. Swim. Thank you, Tommy.
Thanks for having me. Absolutely, you and I have been
trying to make this happen for a minute now, so
(00:46):
I'm so grateful and honored that you took some time
out of your schedule to join me here for a conversation. Altely,
I'm looking forward to. So what's going on? Tell me
what's happening in your world?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Well, I don't know why the stars aligned.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So this week sitting here, you know, enjoying a lot
of people are enjoying the Super Bowl week here in
New Orleans, and I'm happy they're here in our city.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
But It's also NBA trade deadline for me ended yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So between trying to run and get honored out an
event shout out to LaToya story amazing event, the women's
sports Power Fronts, every super Bowl amazing And then I
was running back and forth in and out on calls
and people are like, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Media people that were there, and.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm like, oh, nothing, just working, just working, And so
it's done and now I'm finally able to excel.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So I'm excited to be here and have this conversation
with you. Good and congratulations on that acknowledgment. And you
do a lot. You've done a lot, and you are
very decorated and as someone that is a legend in
sports in general, so not even just a class ssification
(02:01):
male female, but in general, people know about you, they
know what you have accomplished. Tell us about the road
to your success.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yes, yes, I'm so happy you asked this question because
a lot of times I think we were talking even
earlier before we got started. And the one thing I
always say is that people want to know about the
wins and they're excited for you, but less people want
to understand about the journey. And so I remember back
in twenty twelve, I had wrote my first book called
(02:34):
Humble Journey, More Precious than Gold. And the reason why
I wrote that book it was based on a four
year kind of not struggle, but evolving of myself. And
so a lot of times in sports, every year, every athlete,
and you notice every athlete thinks every year, this is
our year to win. Well, there's only one team, maybe
(02:56):
one person that can win and be standing at the pinnacle.
And so what I learned is that the humbleness in
the journey, like what are the lessons you've learned in
the losses? And that's what my career has been is
just not so much just celebrating the wins, but making
sure we're acknowledging the losses.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You go through because you learn the most in those times.
I was just at an event yesterday and one of
the things that I talked about to the audience was
sometimes you win, always you learn absolutely and in the journey.
If you don't focus in on the process and what's
(03:34):
happening along the journey, then you miss the opportunity to
learn when everything isn't going right right because you know
that from just the things that you've accomplished as a
professional athlete and olympian and now as an executive. There's
not always just win win, win, win win. You get
a lot of You may get no, no, no, no no,
(03:56):
and then boomer yes pops up. So when you are
in that journey and you are learning, how do you
keep yourself encouraged when the yes you want it is
a no.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I think one of the things is so important for anyone,
and I've taken what I've learned in sports and brought
it into not only corporate world being an entrepreneur but
also being an executive in the NBA, is that you
have to have a foundation that's outside of what you do.
Like I know who I am and I know whose
I am, and so having that foundation and kind of
(04:33):
my faith and my family and what's important to me
allows me to show up as my authentic self every
single day. So if you're doing that, you're trying to
be the best you and not really chasing or worrying
about where the destination is going to go. Because every
day I'm just getting better every day. And I said
this at a conference. I said, the currency is my
(05:02):
currency is the equity I put in people, and that
is how I kind of lived my life is like
what I'm pouring into you, what I'm giving back to,
whether it's to society, whether it's in my children, That
right there is my equity. Like that's what you're building up,
those relationships. And so when times get hard and you're
working and you're like either losing, you didn't make that
(05:24):
big deal, something didn't go right at work, you know
you have your tribe. Who are those people in that
foundation that you go back to that's kind of lifting
you up. And I think we all need to find
our tribe and our support that we need, whether it's
in a corporate space, whether you're an entrepreneur, because you're
going to need that level of.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Support and a strong foundation. Have you found that as
you have accelerated in your career and elevated in your career,
have you found that there are a lot of transactional
relationships versus people really looking to engage, Like you're talking
(06:02):
about this group of people that you are able to
surround yourself with that are encouraging you and elevating you,
and that tends to be like a space of this
is my starting five, like these these are my whoever
it is they got me. But in the professional space,
(06:22):
we also need some level of that where you know
you have people that are going to champion you, that
are going to encourage you. What has your experience been there?
Is there a lot of transactional relationships. Are people still
interested in being relational? People need to get more interested
in being relational. I say this as sometimes the workforce
(06:43):
is coming in younger, and like you, I have a
lot of young people at times that you know, not
only are we pouring into And they asked about mentorship,
and I tell them it's great to find a mentor,
but there are stages throughout your career where you need
an advocate. And there's a difference between a mentor or
in an advocate, because an advocate is somebody who not
(07:03):
only understands like where you're trying to go, but it's
speaking about you and rooms that you'll never be in,
that is looking for opportunities to position you in that'll
help you throughout your career. And so for me, I've.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Had male and female allies, advocates, I've had mentors, and
so that's important how you're building out your child. But
this I will say this, Tommy, everybody has a seat
on your bus, it's up to you where they sit.
So in the workplace, there may be people and you
may be working with somebody every single day, and that
(07:37):
person may not like you. They may not like how
you dress, how you look, how you show up, and
that's okay, that is a them thing. And a lot
of times you think that I can't have a certain relationship,
you can have a professional relationship. I tell people people
this all the time. I have played with people that
didn't like me, and I didn't really care every much
about them either. And when you have a common goal
(08:02):
and you're between those lines and you're in that workplace
or you're on that team, you are working towards a destination.
That's a common thread. When you're in a workspace, find
the common thread between you and that other person and
know that you guys are heading in the right direction.
And when work is over, there's certain people. You and
(08:23):
I may not break bread after work. You and I
may not have great conversations, but we make magic in
the office because we have a common threat and a
common goal. And that's where you have to understand where's
the relationship, where's that person on your bus? And you
have to be okay with it. We give people too
much power of not either being like us enjoying the
(08:45):
relationships how we enjoy them. We have to also evolve
and understand it, especially in today's society. There are levels
to this. There are levels to it, and the more
you understand the politics of it, the better you're going
to be protecting your mental health and wellness, the more
you're going to be able to succeed in those spaces there.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I often refer for my this is for something I
do for myself personally. I think about I think of
King Solomon, Yes, and when it came time for him
to build the temple, he was able to do that
because there was peace. However, when David was king, there
(09:31):
was always war, there was turmoil, and so he didn't
have the opportunity to build because of the constant strife.
And so I always think to myself, if I'm like
in a work relationship, if I'm in a personal relationship,
where am I sitting at internally? Do I feel agitated?
(09:51):
Am I in a position to build? Because if I'm not,
I need to figure that out so that I I'm
able to get to the place of peace so I
can build. If we're not building, we're not creating. And
if we're not creating, we're not growing and we're not evolving.
And sometimes I believe that part of our inability to
(10:16):
have success is because we stay in this constant state
of strife. So if I'm in a workplace and I'm
not in a good relationship with you and I'm not
feeling you, so I'm fighting with you all the time,
even if we're not having an exchange internally, I'm like,
I'm not feeling that person, So now I'm not building
(10:37):
with that person. We still have a responsibility, yes, to
get the job done. And to your point, we don't
have to be in love, we don't have to even
be in like, but we have to have common respect,
respect so we can get the job done. That's the
word right there. Respect.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
If people I say this, I just can't be in
a place where the level of respect is not that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That has to be equal.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That has to be equal, because you're talking about human
and human and we're losing too much of that.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We need more of that.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And so for me, I have certain boundaries that one
have to be respected. I'm gonna respect yours, but also
for myself and one of the biggest things that I've
learned is that the way that my brain works. And
I was talking to you to my therapist about this,
and if you are a professional and executive and you
(11:34):
don't have a therapist, that's a problem. Okay, I'm gonna
tell you that right now. Some people won't want to
talk about it, but you got it. Life is lifned
and you got to have some place to be able
to dump and to grow and work on your strengths,
your weaknesses, all those things. So shout out to my
therapist because I love her. And we were having a
conversation and I said to her, I said, the way
(11:55):
my brain works in chaos, I'm just good. Because you
know why I'm good, It's because the way that I think,
in the way God set me up, is the problem
solving part of it. I want to figure out how
to get out of it. So if I'm in a storm,
I'm a fighter. It's the sports side of me that
comes out, and it's like, all right, how do we
move and get out of this? And so you want
(12:17):
to figure out how can I help this person on
the team, How can I do that? And how can
we move forward? If I don't feel that energy when
we're in chaos and I feel people retreat. That tells
me a lot about the team I have around me,
because when you hire, you think when the worst of
worst happens or when things are not going well, you
want everybody to be in that fox hole and start
(12:37):
moving forward. And so I think the character shows and
a lot of times when there's chaos, so you can
I have peace in the chaos because I know, like, Okay,
here we go. It's almost like a kid in a
candy store. I'm like, all right, let's problem solve. Let's
get through this.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
It's going down, and what we're gonna do, what we're
gonna get. I don't know about retreats.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
See, because the way I grew up, and this is
something that you brought we could understand as well, is
when you're younger and you're growing up, that's all that's
all I knew. Like I came from my mom's one
of twelve. I had seventy five first cousins, so wow,
we played sports and we compete it. I went to
school like I've eight guy cousins that's the same age.
So everything was like a competition, right, So everybody didn't
(13:20):
get a participation trophy. No, we do the participation trophies.
And then it was the it was the passive aggressive
coming past. And my uncle was like, oh, so you
let him win, you let him So it was it
was bringing out all those things in us, which I love.
But I think the biggest thing about it is that
we continue to take those seeds.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So I have two boys.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I have a seven and a four year old, and
what I pour into them, it's like when I see
them stand at the bottom of the steps and I
don't tell this hopefully, I got to have to tell
this story real quick. My son, my older son seven,
stand at the top of the step and he's my caring, empathetic,
loving child. And then my four year old is like, oh,
he's like the fierce one a little bit, but they
(14:05):
love each other.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So he sai at the bottom of the STEP's my
younger one.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I'm at the top of step with my older son
and he's like, oh, same tea, can you help me
the younger one at the bottom. So my son's like, oh, okay, sire,
So he walked back down the steps. By the time
he gets to the second step, the four year old
takes off up the steps because he wanted a competitive advantage,
and he got to the top of the steps and
first and beat him to me. I looked at him
(14:29):
and I said, you're gonna be alright. You know that
second one always is. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't prepared.
That first one gets you get your thinking.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh I can have like friend, Oh my goodness, these ladies.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And then that second one came and he said, hello,
I have I'm here, I have arrived. But yes, so
so we we try to build character. I think it's
important people sometimes, especially young people that are out there
are listening, and moms that are listening because I know
you have a great thought following the female followers and audience. Moms,
(15:04):
it's okay to allow our kids to learn and sit
and like and when they're uncomfortable, yes, it's okay. We
can't fix it all the time. We have to allow
them to go through it, because I promise you, if
my mom, if she wouldn't have, if she wouldn't have
let me go through some of the stuff I went
(15:24):
through in life, I wouldn't be the person I am today.
My grandma used to say it to my mama. Starts
saying it you're gonna have to learn how to crawl
before you can walk.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And in that moment, I'm like, oh, no, I'm walking.
But then eventually you hit that wall, You're like, oh,
let me crawl on the ground. Yes, yes, So before
I let you go, tell us about She's Got Time.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yes, yes, She's got time, and hopefully maybe you'll join
us there this summer we are taking our show.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
On the road to Vegas. Oh wow. And so She's
Got Time is a platform.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
We also have an app that people can go and
download the app and become a member. When I retire
and went into the Nationsmith Basketball Hall of Fame, as
I was writing my speech, I had been really kind
of in a fasting moment in deep prayer and saying, God,
you know, this is one chapter of my life closing.
I've done a lot of philanthropy. People ask for a
lot of your time, but I wanted to be more intentional.
(16:25):
And as I started thinking about would I want as
someone that has a career in sports, I came.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Up with She's Got Time.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And so what we try to do is bring together
women across all platforms a sports, whether you have a podcast,
whether you're at a brand, whether you're at.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
A league, whether you're at a team. It does not.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Whether you're interney, you're in finance, you're an entrepreneur, whatever
business touches sports, We want you to become a member
of our community. We believe in intergenerational connectivity. We believe
that the OGS have a lot to share with even
the entry level women that are coming into sports, and
we believe that sharing information is the way that we're
going to continue to grow women in sports, but at
(17:04):
the same time positioning them, position them for their pivot,
because sometimes we get into a job and we think,
I'm not this team, I'm at this league, I'm gonna
be at this job for the next ten, fifteen years,
and this is where I'm gonna stay. But what you
don't realize is sometimes that pivot means more money, more opportunities.
How can I get to a team? And women don't
(17:25):
understand transferable skill sets and so that's what we're building within.
She's got time.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
We have our.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Like we have to call it the super Bowl is
our summit that happens July fourteenth and fifteenth, and if
that's going to be in Vegas and then throughout our app,
we are constantly giving women information, having opportunities for them
to learn. We have mental health and wellness sessions, meditations
that go on, and so I wanted to connect us
through in person activities but also through our app and
(17:55):
through technology.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And so we're going to meet you where you are.
We want you to come in.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It doesn't if you are somebody that's just starting out
in the workforce or if you're somebody that's a CEO.
We have we run the gamut and that's important to
me and I stand on that because as we see
more and more things get cut and us not part
of the conversation. We have to figure out how we
stay together in order to build us back up.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I love it. Listen before the weekend is out. I'm
going to be a part of that community. Absolutely, absolutely
to your point, we have to we're stronger together. We are.
We are stronger together. So I'm looking forward to that.
Do you have any words of encouragement for our listening community?
Oh about anything too, because you know I would share this.
(18:49):
I know you're tired.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I know right now and it feels like the world's
heavy because I feel it.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But I will say this.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
In every storm and every chaos that happens with rain,
with the weather, the sun always comes out. And women
have a way of connecting, of being that light in
room and spaces and are kind of saying, for she's
got time this year. It's all bets on you. So
(19:25):
I want women to start betting on you, betting on
investing in yourself, betting on investing in your mental health
and wellness, whatever it is for you to be strong
because we're the backbone of this family, of the family,
we're the backbone of this country. And I truly believe
even though we feel tired, we are going to pour
into ourselves, bet on ourselves, and then we're going to
(19:47):
be able to be the light that everybody else needs.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So that's my words. Thank you. You heard this, wins
said troubled on last always not at all, but they
just yes, it does, Yes, it does. I thank you
so much for taking time out of your schedule to
join me today and just know you always have a
seat at my table. I appreciate you. Thank you, Tommy.
(20:13):
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Welcome to a special edition of Stale Wild, recorded live
on Radio Row at Super Bowl fifty nine. I'm your host,
Tommy Vincent, and we are going to be hearing some
dynamic conversations with phenomenal guests here on Radio Row. So
take a seat, get comfortable in stale Wild job. This
episode is sponsored by the House of Joy. Hi everyone,
(00:24):
it's Tommy Vincent, your host of Stale Wild podcast, and
today I have joining me at the table Swin Cash,
Senior Vice president of basketball Operations and team Development for
the New Orleans Pelicans. Welcome to stale Wild. Swim. Thank you, Tommy.
Thanks for having me. Absolutely, you and I have been
trying to make this happen for a minute now, so
(00:46):
I'm so grateful and honored that you took some time
out of your schedule to join me here for a conversation. Altely,
I'm looking forward to. So what's going on? Tell me
what's happening in your world?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Well, I don't know why the stars aligned.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
So this week sitting here, you know, enjoying a lot
of people are enjoying the Super Bowl week here in
New Orleans, and I'm happy they're here in our city.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
But It's also NBA trade deadline for me ended yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So between trying to run and get honored out an
event shout out to LaToya story amazing event, the women's
sports Power Fronts, every super Bowl amazing And then I
was running back and forth in and out on calls
and people are like, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Media people that were there, and.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm like, oh, nothing, just working, just working, And so
it's done and now I'm finally able to excel.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So I'm excited to be here and have this conversation
with you. Good and congratulations on that acknowledgment. And you
do a lot. You've done a lot, and you are
very decorated and as someone that is a legend in
sports in general, so not even just a class ssification
(02:01):
male female, but in general, people know about you, they
know what you have accomplished. Tell us about the road
to your success.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yes, yes, I'm so happy you asked this question because
a lot of times I think we were talking even
earlier before we got started. And the one thing I
always say is that people want to know about the
wins and they're excited for you, but less people want
to understand about the journey. And so I remember back
in twenty twelve, I had wrote my first book called
(02:34):
Humble Journey, More Precious than Gold. And the reason why
I wrote that book it was based on a four
year kind of not struggle, but evolving of myself. And
so a lot of times in sports, every year, every athlete,
and you notice every athlete thinks every year, this is
our year to win. Well, there's only one team, maybe
(02:56):
one person that can win and be standing at the pinnacle.
And so what I learned is that the humbleness in
the journey, like what are the lessons you've learned in
the losses? And that's what my career has been is
just not so much just celebrating the wins, but making
sure we're acknowledging the losses.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You go through because you learn the most in those times.
I was just at an event yesterday and one of
the things that I talked about to the audience was
sometimes you win, always you learn absolutely and in the journey.
If you don't focus in on the process and what's
(03:34):
happening along the journey, then you miss the opportunity to
learn when everything isn't going right right because you know
that from just the things that you've accomplished as a
professional athlete and olympian and now as an executive. There's
not always just win win, win, win win. You get
a lot of You may get no, no, no, no no,
(03:56):
and then boomer yes pops up. So when you are
in that journey and you are learning, how do you
keep yourself encouraged when the yes you want it is
a no.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I think one of the things is so important for anyone,
and I've taken what I've learned in sports and brought
it into not only corporate world being an entrepreneur but
also being an executive in the NBA, is that you
have to have a foundation that's outside of what you do.
Like I know who I am and I know whose
I am, and so having that foundation and kind of
(04:33):
my faith and my family and what's important to me
allows me to show up as my authentic self every
single day. So if you're doing that, you're trying to
be the best you and not really chasing or worrying
about where the destination is going to go. Because every
day I'm just getting better every day. And I said
this at a conference. I said, the currency is my
(05:02):
currency is the equity I put in people, and that
is how I kind of lived my life is like
what I'm pouring into you, what I'm giving back to,
whether it's to society, whether it's in my children, That
right there is my equity. Like that's what you're building up,
those relationships. And so when times get hard and you're
working and you're like either losing, you didn't make that
(05:24):
big deal, something didn't go right at work, you know
you have your tribe. Who are those people in that
foundation that you go back to that's kind of lifting
you up. And I think we all need to find
our tribe and our support that we need, whether it's
in a corporate space, whether you're an entrepreneur, because you're
going to need that level of.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Support and a strong foundation. Have you found that as
you have accelerated in your career and elevated in your career,
have you found that there are a lot of transactional
relationships versus people really looking to engage, Like you're talking
(06:02):
about this group of people that you are able to
surround yourself with that are encouraging you and elevating you,
and that tends to be like a space of this
is my starting five, like these these are my whoever
it is they got me. But in the professional space,
(06:22):
we also need some level of that where you know
you have people that are going to champion you, that
are going to encourage you. What has your experience been there?
Is there a lot of transactional relationships. Are people still
interested in being relational? People need to get more interested
in being relational. I say this as sometimes the workforce
(06:43):
is coming in younger, and like you, I have a
lot of young people at times that you know, not
only are we pouring into And they asked about mentorship,
and I tell them it's great to find a mentor,
but there are stages throughout your career where you need
an advocate. And there's a difference between a mentor or
in an advocate, because an advocate is somebody who not
(07:03):
only understands like where you're trying to go, but it's
speaking about you and rooms that you'll never be in,
that is looking for opportunities to position you in that'll
help you throughout your career. And so for me, I've.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Had male and female allies, advocates, I've had mentors, and
so that's important how you're building out your child. But
this I will say this, Tommy, everybody has a seat
on your bus, it's up to you where they sit.
So in the workplace, there may be people and you
may be working with somebody every single day, and that
(07:37):
person may not like you. They may not like how
you dress, how you look, how you show up, and
that's okay, that is a them thing. And a lot
of times you think that I can't have a certain relationship,
you can have a professional relationship. I tell people people
this all the time. I have played with people that
didn't like me, and I didn't really care every much
about them either. And when you have a common goal
(08:02):
and you're between those lines and you're in that workplace
or you're on that team, you are working towards a destination.
That's a common thread. When you're in a workspace, find
the common thread between you and that other person and
know that you guys are heading in the right direction.
And when work is over, there's certain people. You and
(08:23):
I may not break bread after work. You and I
may not have great conversations, but we make magic in
the office because we have a common threat and a
common goal. And that's where you have to understand where's
the relationship, where's that person on your bus? And you
have to be okay with it. We give people too
much power of not either being like us enjoying the
(08:45):
relationships how we enjoy them. We have to also evolve
and understand it, especially in today's society. There are levels
to this. There are levels to it, and the more
you understand the politics of it, the better you're going
to be protecting your mental health and wellness, the more
you're going to be able to succeed in those spaces there.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I often refer for my this is for something I
do for myself personally. I think about I think of
King Solomon, Yes, and when it came time for him
to build the temple, he was able to do that
because there was peace. However, when David was king, there
(09:31):
was always war, there was turmoil, and so he didn't
have the opportunity to build because of the constant strife.
And so I always think to myself, if I'm like
in a work relationship, if I'm in a personal relationship,
where am I sitting at internally? Do I feel agitated?
(09:51):
Am I in a position to build? Because if I'm not,
I need to figure that out so that I I'm
able to get to the place of peace so I
can build. If we're not building, we're not creating. And
if we're not creating, we're not growing and we're not evolving.
And sometimes I believe that part of our inability to
(10:16):
have success is because we stay in this constant state
of strife. So if I'm in a workplace and I'm
not in a good relationship with you and I'm not
feeling you, so I'm fighting with you all the time,
even if we're not having an exchange internally, I'm like,
I'm not feeling that person, So now I'm not building
(10:37):
with that person. We still have a responsibility, yes, to
get the job done. And to your point, we don't
have to be in love, we don't have to even
be in like, but we have to have common respect,
respect so we can get the job done. That's the
word right there. Respect.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
If people I say this, I just can't be in
a place where the level of respect is not that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
That has to be equal.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That has to be equal, because you're talking about human
and human and we're losing too much of that.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We need more of that.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
And so for me, I have certain boundaries that one
have to be respected. I'm gonna respect yours, but also
for myself and one of the biggest things that I've
learned is that the way that my brain works. And
I was talking to you to my therapist about this,
and if you are a professional and executive and you
(11:34):
don't have a therapist, that's a problem. Okay, I'm gonna
tell you that right now. Some people won't want to
talk about it, but you got it. Life is lifned
and you got to have some place to be able
to dump and to grow and work on your strengths,
your weaknesses, all those things. So shout out to my
therapist because I love her. And we were having a
conversation and I said to her, I said, the way
(11:55):
my brain works in chaos, I'm just good. Because you
know why I'm good, It's because the way that I think,
in the way God set me up, is the problem
solving part of it. I want to figure out how
to get out of it. So if I'm in a storm,
I'm a fighter. It's the sports side of me that
comes out, and it's like, all right, how do we
move and get out of this? And so you want
(12:17):
to figure out how can I help this person on
the team, How can I do that? And how can
we move forward? If I don't feel that energy when
we're in chaos and I feel people retreat. That tells
me a lot about the team I have around me,
because when you hire, you think when the worst of
worst happens or when things are not going well, you
want everybody to be in that fox hole and start
(12:37):
moving forward. And so I think the character shows and
a lot of times when there's chaos, so you can
I have peace in the chaos because I know, like, Okay,
here we go. It's almost like a kid in a
candy store. I'm like, all right, let's problem solve. Let's
get through this.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
It's going down, and what we're gonna do, what we're
gonna get. I don't know about retreats.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
See, because the way I grew up, and this is
something that you brought we could understand as well, is
when you're younger and you're growing up, that's all that's
all I knew. Like I came from my mom's one
of twelve. I had seventy five first cousins, so wow,
we played sports and we compete it. I went to
school like I've eight guy cousins that's the same age.
So everything was like a competition, right, So everybody didn't
(13:20):
get a participation trophy. No, we do the participation trophies.
And then it was the it was the passive aggressive
coming past. And my uncle was like, oh, so you
let him win, you let him So it was it
was bringing out all those things in us, which I love.
But I think the biggest thing about it is that
we continue to take those seeds.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So I have two boys.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I have a seven and a four year old, and
what I pour into them, it's like when I see
them stand at the bottom of the steps and I
don't tell this hopefully, I got to have to tell
this story real quick. My son, my older son seven,
stand at the top of the step and he's my caring, empathetic,
loving child. And then my four year old is like, oh,
he's like the fierce one a little bit, but they
(14:05):
love each other.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
So he sai at the bottom of the STEP's my
younger one.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I'm at the top of step with my older son
and he's like, oh, same tea, can you help me
the younger one at the bottom. So my son's like, oh, okay, sire,
So he walked back down the steps. By the time
he gets to the second step, the four year old
takes off up the steps because he wanted a competitive advantage,
and he got to the top of the steps and
first and beat him to me. I looked at him
(14:29):
and I said, you're gonna be alright. You know that
second one always is. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't prepared.
That first one gets you get your thinking.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh I can have like friend, Oh my goodness, these ladies.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And then that second one came and he said, hello,
I have I'm here, I have arrived. But yes, so
so we we try to build character. I think it's
important people sometimes, especially young people that are out there
are listening, and moms that are listening because I know
you have a great thought following the female followers and audience. Moms,
(15:04):
it's okay to allow our kids to learn and sit
and like and when they're uncomfortable, yes, it's okay. We
can't fix it all the time. We have to allow
them to go through it, because I promise you, if
my mom, if she wouldn't have, if she wouldn't have
let me go through some of the stuff I went
(15:24):
through in life, I wouldn't be the person I am today.
My grandma used to say it to my mama. Starts
saying it you're gonna have to learn how to crawl
before you can walk.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And in that moment, I'm like, oh, no, I'm walking.
But then eventually you hit that wall, You're like, oh,
let me crawl on the ground. Yes, yes, So before
I let you go, tell us about She's Got Time.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yes, yes, She's got time, and hopefully maybe you'll join
us there this summer we are taking our show.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
On the road to Vegas. Oh wow. And so She's
Got Time is a platform.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
We also have an app that people can go and
download the app and become a member. When I retire
and went into the Nationsmith Basketball Hall of Fame, as
I was writing my speech, I had been really kind
of in a fasting moment in deep prayer and saying, God,
you know, this is one chapter of my life closing.
I've done a lot of philanthropy. People ask for a
lot of your time, but I wanted to be more intentional.
(16:25):
And as I started thinking about would I want as
someone that has a career in sports, I came.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Up with She's Got Time.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And so what we try to do is bring together
women across all platforms a sports, whether you have a podcast,
whether you're at a brand, whether you're at.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
A league, whether you're at a team. It does not.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Whether you're interney, you're in finance, you're an entrepreneur, whatever
business touches sports, We want you to become a member
of our community. We believe in intergenerational connectivity. We believe
that the OGS have a lot to share with even
the entry level women that are coming into sports, and
we believe that sharing information is the way that we're
going to continue to grow women in sports, but at
(17:04):
the same time positioning them, position them for their pivot,
because sometimes we get into a job and we think,
I'm not this team, I'm at this league, I'm gonna
be at this job for the next ten, fifteen years,
and this is where I'm gonna stay. But what you
don't realize is sometimes that pivot means more money, more opportunities.
How can I get to a team? And women don't
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understand transferable skill sets and so that's what we're building within.
She's got time.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
We have our.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Like we have to call it the super Bowl is
our summit that happens July fourteenth and fifteenth, and if
that's going to be in Vegas and then throughout our app,
we are constantly giving women information, having opportunities for them
to learn. We have mental health and wellness sessions, meditations
that go on, and so I wanted to connect us
through in person activities but also through our app and
(17:55):
through technology.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
And so we're going to meet you where you are.
We want you to come in.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It doesn't if you are somebody that's just starting out
in the workforce or if you're somebody that's a CEO.
We have we run the gamut and that's important to
me and I stand on that because as we see
more and more things get cut and us not part
of the conversation. We have to figure out how we
stay together in order to build us back up.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I love it. Listen before the weekend is out. I'm
going to be a part of that community. Absolutely, absolutely
to your point, we have to we're stronger together. We are.
We are stronger together. So I'm looking forward to that.
Do you have any words of encouragement for our listening community?
Oh about anything too, because you know I would share this.
(18:49):
I know you're tired.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
I know right now and it feels like the world's
heavy because I feel it.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
But I will say this.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
In every storm and every chaos that happens with rain,
with the weather, the sun always comes out. And women
have a way of connecting, of being that light in
room and spaces and are kind of saying, for she's
got time this year. It's all bets on you. So
(19:25):
I want women to start betting on you, betting on
investing in yourself, betting on investing in your mental health
and wellness, whatever it is for you to be strong
because we're the backbone of this family, of the family,
we're the backbone of this country. And I truly believe
even though we feel tired, we are going to pour
into ourselves, bet on ourselves, and then we're going to
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be able to be the light that everybody else needs.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
So that's my words. Thank you. You heard this, wins
said troubled on last always not at all, but they
just yes, it does, Yes, it does. I thank you
so much for taking time out of your schedule to
join me today and just know you always have a
seat at my table. I appreciate you. Thank you, Tommy.
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I hope you felt the love and connection in today's conversation.
Every woman you heard from has faced the impossible and
emerged stronger. This is your personal invitation to stale while
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