Episode 325 Northern and Southern Border Crisis

Join us tonight with an anonymous member of the Federal Government who is going to talk about what is really happening at both the southern and northern borders.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (01:34):
All right, everyone, welcome to the next episode. I think
it's three twenty five of Stu and the Nun. And
as you see, I got none here. We got Toby
back in the house from our super southern studio in Mexico,
and of course me in the northern studio here, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Glad to be back. Took a little break a.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Christmas time, which we all do, enjoy time with family
and friends and maybe alleviating some of the dear population
in western New York and doing all that good stuff.
I had this guest. We have a very special guest tonight.
We're gonna call him Frost.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Frost.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I was gonna have him on right before the week
before Christmas. I came down a little ill and I
was not feeling good that night, so I waved it off,
and so I make sure we gave this. We gave
Frost the the respect he deserves. So we're covering a
lot of great information tonight. So this is kind of
a pick back up rescheduling of that, and luckily we're
able to have Toby with us too, and Toby, hey,

(02:32):
you doing brother.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Good my man, and welcome twenty twenty four Venti Venti
quatro already starting off with the bang. You know, like
we're down here catching fish, making money, not getting arrested,
and here I am, we're doing a podcast with you.

(02:55):
How awesome is that?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Like first show of the year, first show.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Of the year, starting off with a big bang. Maybe
maybe that means, like we kind of hinted, I'm getting
back in the sad a little bit more. Well, we
do have our our little show down here. Uh that's
like fishing and culturally related. You know, you know, this
is the real house, this is the home, right. Uh

(03:21):
so you know it's good to be back with my
me Hermano.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yes, absolutely, And you know twenty twenty four, anyone that's
watching the show for a while, those you know, politics
is a big part of our show, and through the
Trump years and the initial Biden years, there was so
much content all the time. Well, we are back in
an election year.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Actually we started doing politics in the Obama years.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
We did, but yeah, yeah, yeah we did, but it
was it was it was lively in the Trump years.
Yeah yeah, yeah, so uh yeah, so but no, we
we're back. So I'm hoping you're able to be on
a lot more because I think, just like our years past,
we just have to wait till the day of the show,

(04:07):
and there's no shortage of content. And I think it's
already gonna be that way as we see things happen.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
But we're not talking politics tonight per se.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
But we are definitely gonna talk about a topic that
is huge to our domestic policy, and we're gonna talk
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stuff here. But anyways, without that, Frost, I want to
welcome to the show. Thank you so much for coming on,

(05:09):
my friend.

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you for having me. Glad to
be on this. You know, there's a lot going on
in the country and I can't wait to get into
some some good, uh conversation about what's happening in the
country kind of behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And uh well let's get on it.
So I'm gonna let you divulge what you want to
divulge as far as I'll say. You're in a government
employee and uh you work with that and you have
firsthand knowledge of what's like happening at the border, So
I want to kind of just hit on and and
talk about Obviously everyone is seeing everything about the southern

(05:45):
border and what's going on there, and obviously we see
a lot of stuff in the.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
News and it's and it's pretty dismal.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I mean there's there's just you see just thousands of
people every day you hear all about We've heard so
much about the human trafficking, the rapes, all the terrible crimes,
to the degree that they don't even talk about it anymore.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's just considered like a byproduct.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
But you know, we saw the accusations in the of
what the agents were doing on the horses and all
that stuff. But Toby and I both know and just
as you do, and many people that have been around
this kind of stuff, like what the news covers is
not even close to really what's happening.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
And I'm hoping you can kind of like put some
light on that tonight.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah, so that's correct. So, like you said, I do
work for the government, and I'm kind of in this
position right now where as a government employee, I also
help out with a lot of state level politics and
immigration and just criminal criminal stuff happening, you know, within
the state. So I kind of have a dual approach

(06:47):
to it, a dual look at it, I guess, from
the federal immigration side of things, and then also from
the state level and how immigration is impacting the state.
So starting off the border, I mean, right, like you said,
we've all seen the news coverage. It's it's atrocious. The
numbers are just astronomical, you know, and and the news
likes to talk about these got aways, and I've seen

(07:11):
it firsthand, these gotaways. I mean, those numbers are super
deflated that the news is talking about because realistically, we
have no idea how many godaways there actually is. What
I could tell you is I'll urge your listeners to
do this is go to your you know, go to
your local Department of Home and Security office for example,
and just any day of the week and just look
at the thousands of people lined up. It's getting to

(07:35):
the point it's just unsustainable. Really, the problem that that
we've experienced with immigration is, you know, the immigration system
is broken essentially, and things were definitely better under Trump.
You know, the remain in Mexico policy was it was
a fantastic policy. They're really spearheaded immigration at the border.

(08:00):
You know, once that was taken away by Biden, it
got to the point it was just unsustainable. So essentially
the problem now is, and no one's talking about this.
The problem now is and I'll just break down the
basic immigration process just so your listeners could could understand
what I'm talking about. So, you know, when you go
through immigration, you know, you either if you come into

(08:21):
the country illegally and you get arrested, what happens is
you've got to go in front of an immigration judge.
And because nobody coming into the country at this point
is detained, they're all detained for maybe a day and
then they're released. It's called an o rex or release
on their own recognissance, and essentially, wherever they want to
go to they go right whether it's New York or California, Texas,

(08:44):
they go to that state, they're supposed to report to
their local Department of Homeland Security office at a given
date and time. Unfortunately, that's not happening. And majority of
the cases, if they were following the correct path to
the immigration process, you know, eventually they would be given
what's called an NTA in notice to appear. That would

(09:05):
be their charging document, almost like if you were arrested,
as your arrest affidavid that get you in front of
a judge, they'll let them hear your case. The problem
is nobody's doing that. So essentially, you know, if we
fast forward this immigration process three four years down the line,
these people don't show off for court. So what happens
is they get what's called the final order of removal

(09:26):
and absentia, so that means, hey, we're gonna order them.
A judge is going to order them to port it.
But there's a little clause in there saying it's an absentia,
meaning well, they were never physically present to fight their case.
And on the immigration side of the House. What that
does is an automatic reopening of their case. So as
much as I love you know, President Trump and he's

(09:47):
saying we're gonna, you know, remove people that need to
get removed from the country, the fact of the matter
is our immigration system is so backlogged it's gonna it
probably is gonna take ten to fifteen years to actually
get even even half of the people that came as
the country removed. It's just really unsustainable at this point.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Toby got something. Yeah, look I see it in your face.
I'm about to go like Toby's Toby's qued up.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
I got a lot of things.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
So the.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm gonna I'm gonna come at this from my very
own personal perspective, uh, Frosto, Like, uh, as you might know,
I am an immigrant going through the immigration process actively,
and you know I am well versed at its challenges

(10:46):
and the speed at which it does not operate. Now,
I want to like kind of ask a couple of
questions and the and the I want to ask it
because you know, you've kind of framed some things. You've
talked about the remain in Mexico policy, You've talked about

(11:07):
the previous administration. You've talked about the current administration and
what I'm curious about, which I think a lot of
people are, because this is something that's really hard to
grasp and understand, and perhaps you can shed some light
on it. So when one person changes, right, so, the

(11:30):
president of the United States, the person that conceptualizes the policy,
or you know, is the vision cast of the policy.
When that one person changes, how does it have such
a dramatic and direct effect. So obviously we know that

(11:52):
that one person that appoints somebody, and in this case,
I'm going to use the Department of Homeland Security as
the example, and in DHS they appoint the cabinet appointee
for that position was mister Majorkis. And now, with the

(12:20):
change of one person, how much staff does this one
person get to bring on board? Because as a common American,
as a common hopefully a citizen someday person looks at
this objectively and critically thinks that through the rank and

(12:42):
file should be the same. Right, how is it that
in leadership there's been such a dramatic swing? How is
that possible? And how is the culture changed so dramatically
by such a change in few people?

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Right? So, good question and I'll tell you it's it's
you know, the government is very much just like the military, right. Unfortunately,
even in the military, and I experienced this as well.
You know, you have senior level level leadership that could
literally dictate almost whatever policies or procedures they want, you know,

(13:25):
within a general scope of their practice, so they could
they can make a lot of changes, right, either good
or bad. Unfortunately, the leadership underneath, right, that the junior
level leadership. And this is the case especially in the government.
From what I've seen is a lot of people are
just looking for their next promotion. So at the end

(13:45):
of the day, and that's the same thing with you know,
Secretary of Marakis. At the end of the day, he's
put in that position to play whatever role the president
wants him to play, whether that means to that he's
going to enforce immigration laws or not enforce immigration laws
and right, and that's that's how he gets his his
next promotion or his bonuses. And unfortunately that even goes

(14:07):
to the point of essentially them breaking immigration law, right,
constitutional law in the country. But that's if that's what
they're instructed to do from above, that's what's being done.
And you know, and I've seen it firsthand, is with
these changes of administration, the changes in ultimate like staff

(14:27):
across the board happens. Right. So, people who are staffers
within DHS under President Trump, if they held strong political viewpoints,
or they made accusations or made statements you know that
went against President Trump then, or even President Biden for
that matter, those people got reappointed to other positions where

(14:49):
they had zero influence in whatever immigration policies or whatever
policies they wanted to push whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
So they just they reassign him.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
They just like, hey, we need you, we need you
in the California desert.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Now you're gonna be go over.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Well essentially, right, because i mean all government employees for
the most part have a mobility agreement. Right, So if
you get to the point, and and that's the thing
with being a government employee also is again like you're
in the military, is you know, you you serve in
the military, you don't really have a voice on what's
going on. Sure, you could have enough as a person,
but you know, as a as a government employee, you know,

(15:27):
you cannot have a political position.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
So it's it's funny you bring us up because I'm
leading you down this garden path and look at you.
You bit. Yeah, So in the military, you cannot be
an activist, correct, And now, like in my time in
the military, I did see an activist or two or five.
You know, we saw the people that you know wiki leagues.

(15:51):
We saw uh you know, I'm going to become a
conscientious objector you know, like we we saw activism at
a very small way and it got handled because this
weird thing called the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It's
pretty unforgiven the but what we're seeing and I'm gonna

(16:14):
I'm gonna pull uh an anecdote right out of a
recent hearings where the leader of Homeland Security was questioned
about the activism of employees. In fact, I'm gonna speak
specifically about someone that was in charge of granting asylum, uh,

(16:38):
you know, making you know, commentary and tweets about Hamas
and you know, their attack on Israel. And so like
we're seeing like severe activism within staff of a department

(16:59):
that that is not help to account now is that
because like and so you said the previous administration, if
you said something that was adverse to that policy or him,
you found yourself like you know, on the Greenland, you know,
airport station. And and now like if you say something

(17:21):
against Biden, you know, you're you know, you're you know,
looking at I don't know, Uh, what's a what's a
bad place? Oh, they send you to Texas.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Right, you know. And unfortunately I know the exact case
you're talking about, and you know, it's it's one of
these things where unfortunately, just at this point, the government
just seems very politically charged and if you don't have
the same beliefs as them, essentially, you know, you could

(17:54):
find yourself in a bad place now with with her specifically,
and this kind of leads into what I was going
to talk about next. Is correct. She was an asylum
officer with USCIS is probably the agency that you're going
through for your citizenship status. And you know, she has
really has direct authority in that position to grand citizenship

(18:17):
almost universally to whoever she wants to. And you know,
I just with that circumstance and with Secretary of Majorcis
really not having a strong opinion on it, it was
really distasteful because but again, you know, she was she
was following a lot of the talking points that more

(18:37):
of the left wing media has talked about right in
almost what the US government, especially DHS in recent years,
has been has been following. It's that left wing agenda
where she's going to sit there and talk badly about
Israel and you know, not condemn Mamas and talk about
how Hamas's are great people, you know, And I don't

(18:58):
really know what happened to her, to be honest with you,
but unfortunately, it's just very The whole government is very politicized.
That's why a lot of people, if you don't hold
the same opinions as the current political office, you know,
everyone kind of just shuts their mouth because they know
that the writing's on the wall if they speak out
about it. So what I was going to say about

(19:19):
asylum is, as you mentioned the asylum officer, that's another
process right now that's broken because of the Southwest border.
So typically, and I don't know that the actual statistics
behind asylum cases, but I'll tell you they've never been
to the point they are now. So a lot of these,
a lot of these, you know, immigrants come into the country.

(19:40):
You know, they're involved in some type of network that
they get information, right, they know what to say when
they come across the border, they know the entire process
before they get here. The asylum numbers now are astronomical.
For a long time, you know, there were certain threshold
and criteria you had to meet just a file for asylum,
So you had to meet a certain threshold, and that

(20:02):
threshold is essentially fear of prosecution or torture from your government,
and that's been the threshold forever. That threshold now has
gone out the window. I mean, people could file for
asylum literally for whatever reasons they want to. And this
is something that again, the asylum process, I mean it's
been backloged since President Trump, so I mean there is

(20:26):
hundreds of thousands of people filing for asylum. And the
problem with it is, once you file for asylum with DHS,
you're essentially untouchable. So whatever master list you're on right
to report to an office or to follow your immigration
steps while you're in this unknown status go away. You

(20:48):
no longer have to report. You automatically get a work
authorization and a Social Security number, and you're you're eligible
to work and be a US citizen while you're asylum
as being processed. Now, again, because of the backlog, most
of these people are probably going to be here for
the next seven to ten years before their asylum claim

(21:08):
actually gets adjudicated and looked at by an officer.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
So seven to ten years, they're gonna have the social
they're gonna have a work permit, they're gonna be able
to just get into the system and.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Correct years they have a so yeah, right, they have it.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
They right, that's that's crazy, you have that.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
So once they file for asylum, you're good. Yeah. Once
they file for asylum, they then fall off the fall
off every master list. No one's tracking them, and they
do get the Social Security number, and they get a
work authorization along with government benefits if requested.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well and in depending what state they're in, state benefits right,
free healthcare, free college.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know that, you see them.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Fox News is done there all the time. They're the
only one that are at the border talking to people,
and they're always asking these folks from all different countries,
where do you want to go? And it's like Florida,
New York, California, Chicago, like that's that's the most And
these aren't people getting put on the buses. That's where
they plan to go, and most of them are California
and Florida. I mean obviously that no one wants to

(22:19):
come to Buffalo in January from Mexico or Africa.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
But yeah, yeah, I mean there's actually, you know, it's funny.
You know a lot of people were going to New
York City for a very long time and because New
York City now, I mean the living conditions there for
you know, migrants are they're atrocious. There's been reports of
migrants in New York City actually asking to go back
to their countries, voluntarily living best to go back to

(22:44):
their countries. You know, they're they're living first in New
York City than they were in whatever country you know
they came.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Oh, they interviewed folks that wanted to get out of
Chicago and go back to Venezuela, and they said it
was better because they were promised all these things, right,
You're gonna go up and get a job and get this,
and they get up here and you mentioned New York City.
Right this weekend, they're calling for the first the first
big storm in a couple of years to hit New
York City. Upwards are two feet of snow. Most of
those people that cannot get into the hotels that they've
that may or Adams. The setup are sleeping behind barricades

(23:13):
on the street, on the sidewalks. They're about to get
hit two foot of snow that's gonna it's gonna it's
gonna wash a lot of that away.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I don't know where they're going, but I guarantee they
won't be staying there.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yeah, it's just it's unsustainable. And you know it as
far as like the whole asylum process, I mean, like again,
these people, I mean, most of these people are gonna
be here for a substantial amount of time. And like
I said, so I said earlier that you know, I
have this particular job as I assist with the locals
in the state. So I'll just talk about that quick.

(23:46):
So you know, I pretty much assist locals identify, you know,
people are in the country illegally, and kind of do
a lot with with criminal aspect as well as immigrations.
So what I've seen in the last six months is astounding.
And this is stuff that you know, the locals would
know and the state government, but you know, Fox News

(24:08):
hasn't talked about it. There's been a major uptick in
crimes just basic you know, crimes here in the US
by migrants. And when I'm talking about crimes like d
u I, numbers are off the charts right there. It's unbelievable.
But the crimes that you know, you and we all

(24:28):
care about are the violent crimes. And I can't even
I can't even begin to list to you the number
of homicide investigations, rape investigations, child molestation investigations, sexual assaults.
They are astronomical. And you know, one of the most
upsetting things is the immigration process at the border is

(24:53):
is it's just so distraught down there that I mean,
border patrol especially is severely overworked. So they have ways
to expedite their process, which gets individuals out of custody faster,
if you will. And that's been a big push of
the Biden administration is time and custody, right because I mean,

(25:15):
common sense will tell you when you have individuals in custody,
that's when things could happen, right Like having a death
in custody is the worst pr nightmare you can imagine.
So one of the big things of the Biden administration
was listen, let's let's process these people. Let's kind of
find out some basic information from them, and let's get
them out of there, so if something happens, at least
they're not physically you know, in custody when it happens.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Not on my watch kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Not like did that Okay, did not die in our
He may have died when he walked out the front gate,
but that little kid didn't die and sleeping on the floor.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Here, frost, if I might just ask something quickly, So
with this uptick in crime and violent crimes specifically, uh,
are we are we being misled?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (26:07):
And what I mean by because my understanding is, you
know the people that are crossing the border, you know,
are these innocent, youthful hard done by you know folks
like are you know we talked about the kids in

(26:27):
the cages. We're talking about like all these things, these
like these great talking points and you know, like we
need to do better and this is why we're pushing
people through you know, detainment quickly, so like we don't
have these like you know, deaths while detained and stuff
like that. But also because they're kids, are you know,

(26:48):
the whole unaccompanied minor you know talking point? Is it
kids that are going out and doing these kind And
I know I'm sound like a smart ass, but like
I'm seriously asking the pick sure that's being painted from
my perspective is that we don't have a bunch of
military aged males hitting the streets with violent intent. What

(27:09):
we have is like women and children.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Is that not the case?

Speaker 5 (27:14):
So I've been doing this for for quite a bit,
and i can tell you there has been a big
shift in immigration. I mean, you've always had, right, your
family family units and your men and women and with kids.
What I've seen in the last three years primarily is

(27:35):
you know, I hate to even say the terminology, but
military age male, right, you're sixteen to twenty five year olds.
That's majority of what it is now. You you know,
obviously get family units and you get you know, women
with children. But really in the last year has been
a big swing towards more you know, that military age male.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
So I mean I came here's a military age male
and then I joined the military. Right. Well, listen, you
know that's that's offensive to say, but like it's a
demographic right.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Well, it's you know the problem that So what I
didn't say, and what I'm gonna say now is the
fact that, right, you came from Canada, Right, A lot
of these military age males. It what kind of puts
the hair on the back of our Next upright, that
work in the government is when you see people coming
from Uzbekistan, from Mali af Africa, from Yemen, from Egypt,

(28:37):
from Saudi Arabia, from from countries that have really high
thresholds of known terrorism. That's kind of where it comes
into play of saying, well, who are these people? And
the problem is at the border a lot of these
people have passports or have identification cards from their countries,
a birth. What they do is they chuck them in
the water before they cross the border. Right. So how

(28:59):
that essential works is they if they've never been to
the US and they've never been encountered by the US government,
they can come over here and say their name is
you know whatever it is, right, make up a fake name,
fake alias, and a fake data birth. We're going to
plug them into the system that way, and then what
happens is sure we're going to take their fingerprints. Right.
But again, if they have no FBI or any government

(29:23):
or local interactions in the US, we have no idea
who that person is. So this is really something that
since this immigration crisis has been going on for the
last couple of years, we're now seeing how it's affected
the state side of criminal law. I've worked cases, tons
of cases where people came over, they gave a fake name,

(29:46):
a fake data birth, and they were plugged into the
system as being that person, and then they get arrested
for something from the locals and I have no idea
who they are. When the locals ask me, I'm like,
I have no idea, right, I don't have that person
that you arrested in my system. I have their alias,
but there's nothing to tie those people goes alias to

(30:06):
the actual identity. So what they're doing is they come
here and then they go to their consulate and they
actually get a physical passport with their actual name, their
actual date of birth, and that's their identification that they
use in the US because that's their true identity. So
when they get arrested from the locals for whatever crime,
DHS has no idea who they are. I have no

(30:28):
idea when he crossed, right, because he's floating in some
system under an alias.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
They've got this figured out or better yet, people are
educating them, like you said, on how what they need
to do?

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, So I want to I want to switch gears
real quick. And this is obviously we could we could
spend hours just on this on the southern border, and
everyone sees about that, but I really really.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Want to talk about this northern border.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
This is something that we've talked about a while ago,
and just right before we're going to have you on December,
it started hit mainstream news on just how open, how
much cheaper, uh, and how much easier it is for
people to cross over the northern border versus the southern border.
And I think it is pretty much gotten nailed to

(31:14):
no coverage and people are just ignorant of what's happening
up there. Can you kind of cover a little bit
about what's been going on there for a while.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yeah, I can't. So you know, mister mister Nunn there right.
You know, if you drive the itent through Texas, you're
gonna encounter border patrol. I mean, there's ample amounts of
border patrol all over the place. That's Loan. Yeah, that's
such a vast area, and you know, it's unfortunate that

(31:43):
that the northern border unfortunately, and I'm gonna i'll make
up a number here, but it's probably gonna be fairly accurate.
I would say seventy five percent of of border patrol
agents or at the southwest border, and you got the
other you know, maybe twenty five percent along the northern
or so. It's it's how much bigger jurastically, It's huge,

(32:05):
and it's and it's desolate, right the northern border. A
lot of it is just desolate area. So kind of
what's been happening in the last especially in the last year.
So Canada came out and you know, they're very, very
very liberal as far as their immigration, you know, priorities
and such. So they actually gave free visas again I

(32:28):
think this started about eight or nine months ago. They
give free visas to South and Central Americans. So generally
what happens is is South and Central Americans come through Mexico, right,
they use the cartel and use coyotes to get them across,
which is pretty expensive, I mean from what I've heard

(32:50):
in interviews, I mean it's between five and ten thousand
dollars per person. Now, with Canada opening up their immigration
process to South and Central Americans, now they can get
to Canada just by a flight. They don't have to
get a visa there. So what Canada is also doing
is Canada is allowing them to file for asylum right
in Canada, and during that whole asylum process they expledite

(33:14):
it within you know, two or three months. They're a
lot quicker than the US is on it. They give
housing and food allowances and all these kinds of things.
So it's easier to get citizenship in Canada than it
is to get citizenship in the US. So Canada you
can get it from distant relatives and all these kinds

(33:34):
of things. So as long as someone in your family
line gets citizenship, it's very easy for some for another
family member to get it, which is not the case
in the US. Usually in the US, you know, it's close,
you know, familiar ties and along those lines. So what's
been happening is if an asylum claim goes south, like
it looks like it's not going to happen, then people

(33:56):
are literally just coming across the water and coming right
into New York. So kind of the what again, you know,
it must be a network of some kind. But what
they're doing, which is actually very problematic for New York's sake,
is you know, these migrants are coming from Canada and
they're crossing into New York by the Edirondecks, but they're

(34:18):
using the reservation almost as protection, crossing into Indian reservations
where you know, we don't nobody has authority, so I
can't say that, you know, the Native Americans are are
assisting with the smuggling operations per se, but you know,
migrants are crossing into reservation property which nobody has authority.

(34:40):
So from then they could just you know, generally go
to New York City from what we've been seeing. But
it's becoming a real crisis up there for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I mean, now you're talking about just what's that, Toby.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
It's a little ironic.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, yeah, now you're just talking about New York. Well,
let's talk about the cost. Now you said five to
ten thousand dollars to come across the southern border. Correct,
what's a what's a plane ticket from Mexico to cant
to Toronto, Montreal anywhere?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
A few hundred bucks?

Speaker 5 (35:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Probably one way from here?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeahs three hundred bucks one way. Right.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
They get up there, they file for asylum, they get
a phone and food and also a lot of stuff
stuff they get in the US. But but you know
they're going a lot quicker now even if they don't
do that if they want to come right across you know,
whatever border in northern New York and Arondacks and get on.
What's the cost to be shepherded across the border into

(35:36):
the res and does the res take a cut?

Speaker 5 (35:39):
So from what I've been hearing from sources, so that
the cartel. So there's a heavy cartel presence up in
you know, Toronto, Montreal, a lot of these big cities
in Canada, and that's really transpired in the last couple
of years. And so that's the thing, right, So the
cost in the southwest border is significantly higher just because
the mask of people coming across. So they could take

(36:02):
a group of twenty thirty, forty fifty people at a
time and charge everyone five to ten thousand dollars per person.
Now in Canada, from what I'm hearing, it's between one
and three thousand dollars to come across. So it's significantly cheaper,
especially if you're trying to cross an entire family unit.
It's a lot cheaper. Now, it's also a lot more

(36:22):
dangerous in New York because you're literally just in open
waters that you're crossing. So there's a significant amount of deaths.
Even a couple of years ago. I don't know if
you remember this in Buffalo, but there was there was
like a group of migrants on a raft that ended
up by like Strawberry Island, just floating around. They just

(36:44):
decided to make the leap by themselves with nobody. So yeah,
it's becoming a real thing. It's it's very problematic.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Just to give some numbers real quick, I got some
stats here, right. For one thing, the northern borders three
times the link of the southern border at over five
thousand miles long. But in twenty three we had three
point two million illegal aliens at all the borders.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Right, that's a sixteen percent increase, right.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
But the northern border alone in twenty three had one
hundred over a little over one hundred and eighty nine
thousand encounters, right, that's not counting the getaways right up
from one hundred and nine thousand. It jumped eighty thousand
in twenty three of just the encounters, right.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Right, But so.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
So stay we go with the iceberg, right, So we
go with the iceberg. You see ten percent of it, right,
I mean, so like I'm just you know, you guys
are talking about new York And you know, I'm kind
of smiling because you know, people have been smuggling things
from Canada into the United States since prohibition.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
The h but from Vancouver, from Vancouver to.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
What I mean, this makes this is even easier and cheaper. Right,
So a Pacific port right Vancouver, you find to Vancouver,
you seek asylum. Uh, and then you're like, h I'm
not saying had a family member that used to move

(38:20):
something from you know, British Columbia into Washington State. But
like it was a pretty successful business.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
You know, like it didn't involve swimming, it didn't involve swat.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
It was involving recreational vehicles and they had a lot
of fun doing it.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, but this just just yeah, but just like with
the New York piece that they have the.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Yeah, well and there's res is there too, right, right,
So there's a lot of them, some of the biggest
right the when when we start talking about like Washington State, Idaho, Montana,
like there there's some big resids there, you know, and uh,
you know, it's it's just wild to think that if

(39:05):
you use one hundred and eighty so we go one
point eight one point eight million people potentially have crossed
through there undetected. Right, that's not that's not a crazy
like conspiracy theory. That's not like, you know, we're talking
about our ass Like if twenty five percent of the

(39:27):
force is watching three times the size, chances.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Are that that means that that tip of the iceberg
may be not even ten percent.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
That may maybe it's not like and it's not like China,
just to name a country, didn't move or people flogged China,
you know, by the hundreds of thousands to Vancouver. Right,
So when Hong Kong, you know, the British lease on
honk Kong EXPI there was a mass migration to the

(40:03):
Vancouver area because it was a Pacific port and you know,
like there was organized movement to move people into Canada,
big freighters. I mean like so it's not like this
has never been done before. And it's not like they
can't be organized. And I'm not disrespecting Canadian law enforcement,

(40:27):
but they you know, Mountis used to go out two
by two, you know, like they were missionaries. You know,
they had to cover like hundreds of square miles of space.
You know, they came. Border patrol has the same challenge.
They got a couple hundred of miles of space, and
you know, with a workforce, it's not very big already.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
It's not that they're stretched in. There's not big anyways.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
The population of Canada is less than the population of California.
You could drop California and Canada, shake it up and
lose it for a week, you know, like it's it's
not anyway, Sorry, Frost.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
No, it's no, it's fine. No, I understand what you're saying,
you know, I I know right now specifically the areas
that are getting hit, you know, they're coming from Canada
is is like Toronto, Montreal. I don't I don't know
much about like, you know, Western Canada, but from what
I've heard, it's fairly desolate, is it not, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
You it's like say, like, I'm not saying that a
family member they used to move something from.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Yeah, so that's why I don't even think that's utilized
by any degree.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
But it's interesting about the cartels have moved and set
up shop.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Man.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, I mean you know a TV is down power lines.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Right, yeah, I mean hey, you know, hey, Javier and Miguel,
you're you're moving to the you're sitting up the Toronto branch,
like what bring jackets, you know, and uh, you know
they're really they're really.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Good, you know, as far as knowing kind of what
what the policies in the US are are doing, right,
and how to circumvent those policies. I mean, they know
there's a heavy presence at the southwest border. So I mean,
as a business decision, I could say, you know, they
were like, hey, let's move into Canada, right, and let's
let's start smuggling from there. And now essentially our are

(42:24):
were spread so thin that it's impossible to cover the
entire southwest border and the entire northern border, let alone
just the northeast border. It's it's physically impossible.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Now, so the good news is, well, it's not necessarily
good news, but I would say, well, there's probably a
huge influx of people, and not necessarily the best of people. Uh,
you know coming through Canada. We're not seeing the manufactured
drugs like fentanyl having you know, they're not moving that

(42:57):
from Mexico up there to bring down are they, right.
I mean, that's just an additional step that's you know,
easier to move a human than drugs, right, That's why
the compels are like they changed up their playbook and
they're making a lot more money off of humans than
they are off drugs.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
So not necessarily, there has been a huge influx in
fetanohl coming from Canada. Interesting, and again I think it's
you know, because you know, as a business, you expect
you know, I don't know, just throw out numbers, right,
four tenths of every load you ship across the Southwest
porter to get seized. Now, if you move that operation,

(43:34):
you can get drugs via however they do it right
via boat or whatever into Canada, right, that number goes
down drastically, right, So now maybe you're talking about one
tenths of your loads get seized. So there has been
a huge influx of fetanyl coming from Canada. That's Mexican fetanol.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, it's maybe that's what's uh, maybe NAFTA is that's
a real example of it. I don't know, but it's, uh,
you know, it is so much attentions on the South
news media politicians, right, they were the sixty House Republicans
were just down there yesterday touring or cross touring all over.
But you know, but when you look at the north

(44:15):
the cities that you know that that Abbot and DeSantis
and them have been busting people to and flying people
to They're the right there, They're they're Chicago, they're you know,
New York if the cartels can get them to Canada.
And you know, it's it's not that long. It's it's
six hours from uh from the border or you know,

(44:37):
north of Plattsburgh, between Plattsburgh and Montreal down to New
York City. You know, on a good day, it's six
hour drive. You know the city we talked about, you
know those the streets in New York City are full.
The hotels are overflowing. They've shipped migrants out all over,
including right near my house. They're all spread all over
New York and hotels there's there. They've been saying for

(44:58):
a while that the few amount of buses that have
been that the governors of New York or the Texas
and Florida have sent up are nowhere near the number
of people that are in the city. They are coming
from somewhere out that there's a leak somewhere else, and
that leak is not on a Greyhound bus. Right, it
makes sense that they're coming across the northern border.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Yeah, for sure. And you know, I know those during
during the springtime, in the fall or the summer, those
numbers are definitely inflated. Oh yeah, I'm sure you know
during the wintertime. And that's the one caveat about going
through Canada is obviously wintertime is problematic right up north,
so those numbers are going to slow down drastically over

(45:38):
the winter. But nonetheless it's you know, you're right. All
the coverage has been on the southern border and there's
not much talk about the northern border. You know, A
couple of things I just wanted to add real quick
is you know, there's been there's a huge influx of
the Romanians specifically that are coming into Canada. And I
mean you could pretty much pick up any police report

(46:00):
from any jurisdiction throughout the country at this point, and
you know they're criminal syndicates and what they do. They
what they do is they actually they're going to targets
and walmarts and they steal all the baby food, all
the baby formula. They're stealing it off the shelves and
they use little you know, Ponzi schemes to do it, right,
money exchange schemes. There is billions of dollars of baby

(46:25):
formula that has been solen by these Romanian groups. What
they do is they ship it off and sell it
overseas for high dollar. It's becoming a real problem here
in the US, and I've seen it literally almost on
a daily basis. And the unfortunate thing is, you know,
just because like we talked about, with priorities and procedures
you know, set forth by high ranking government officials, even

(46:49):
when these people are arrested, we cannot do anything with them.
We can't keep them in custody, and we can't support
them because they have minor children. So that's another caveat
to this whole immigr thing. Barring you having killed somebody,
almost any other crime, you will not get arrested or
deported for at this time.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Because if you have a minor child with you, correct,
that could or could not be yours.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
That exactly, we have no DNA to prove it's it's
their child at all. But that's kind of just the
the blanket statement that we've been given as well. They
have they said they have a minor child, or they
said they're four weeks pregnant. We're not going to keep
them in custody.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Oh yeah, because you couldn't You couldn't tell in four
weeks unless you did a medical exam.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
And the last thing I kind of wanted to bring
attention to because as as an American citizen in this country,
it just really picked me off is the fact that
I have worked unfortunately a high number of cases where
you know, there was individuals here I legally that were
involved in d y manslaughter cases or homicide cases, just
really atrocious things, and we find out that they flee

(48:00):
the country. That's the first thing they do is they
flee the country. So not only did they come here
illegally live on our system, right that we pay taxes for,
then they commit atrocious crimes and then flee back to
their country for safety so they can't to avoid prosecution.
And you know, as you said, like someone being in
law enforcement, there's almost nothing that pisses you off more

(48:22):
because you know, God forbid, right, these people came in
here and again not I've met some great people, great
migrants who are here and just want to become American citizens, right,
I mean, obviously they are here, but it seems like
the bad ones that are here for bad reasons are
very very bad. But That's the first thing they do
is they tuck their tail and run right back to

(48:42):
their country.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You know, interesting fun fact you talked about the baby.
For me, I'll kick it up a notch.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I just recently had to go into Toronto and I
rented a car at the airport and I justly want
to take my truck and the guy's like, hey, you
can rent. You know, there's a sign up, but you're
going to Canada. You can't take you know, as or
trucks or this or that. And I'm like, hey, what's
up with that. I can rent whatever I want. He's like, no,
we will not let those go up there. They will
get stolen. And he explained to me that there's this

(49:09):
racket Nigerians actually that are stealing anything like above fifty
to sixty thousand dollars and every full size truck is
that all the big SUVs are that they are stealing
them so fast. In Toronto, they said they are putting
them on they are leasing cargo ships and they are
shipping cargo ships full of stolen vehicles back to Africa.

(49:31):
So they are stealing f one, fifties, tahoes, lexus, you
name it, any kind of large any kind of SUV,
high end vehicle or truck. They're being so stolen so
fast and leased in Toronto that and they're putting it.
So they just busted a big racket. They busted a
warehouse that had over ten million dollars of cars in
it that they were getting ready to load onto a

(49:52):
ship and they are shipping them in Africa. So not
much different than the baby formula talked about, except that
they're vehicles. So the rental car companies like, Nope, our
vehicles aren't going out there because they'll be snatched.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Yeah, no, that's that's definitely a thing going on too.
I've worked in the last couple of months several cases
high end usually it's high in cars from what I'm seeing,
so I know firsthand of a Lamborghini being sold on,
a Ferrari and a Bentley that we're all taken within
a couple of weeks of each other and uh, never
to be seen again.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, they're not being stripped for parts.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
They're they're not yeah, they're not yet right, They're they're
being shipped on cargo ship.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah, but no, it's it's good. We got we got
a few more minutes left before we got to wrap
up here. But uh, but Frost, I mean, we we've
covered a lot. Uh, let me just kind of go
to Toby first. Anything Toby we did not cover, you
want to ask real quick.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
To cover north.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
So Frost, you know, I'm gonna ask you, like, uh,
the weird question and and that's just like give us
some hope, man, tell us uh uh to tell us
how we can be hopeful about the situation.

Speaker 5 (51:08):
That's a depause there I have to take.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
I really got to think about that one. You know,
it's it's again, you know, it's it's unfortunate right now
that you know, we have immigration laws in place right
to stop this kind of behavior, and the fact that
they're blatantly being disregarded at this point, it's it's an
atrocity for the whole country, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I unfortunately, Ross let me, let me, let me offer
you a chances redeem hope. If the administration changes this
year's election and someone new comes in that supports the
values that we used to have and and and is
against all this, do you think we can see a
change as quick as we've seen. As Toby started out with,
you know, talking about how so many people in the
the government factors have all like all swinging over and

(51:53):
supporting this.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Do we think we can see a swing back with
new new leadership.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
I mean, I believe. So it's you know, it's it's
really not a hard concept to shut the border down,
right and just do the right thing. But you know
that's that's step one, right, shut on the border, and
then let's deal with the situation that we currently have
on hand. Right, Let's let's figure out who the good
people are in this country that are you know, law
abiding citizens and want to be here for the right reasons, right,
that want to pay taxes and contribute to society, and

(52:19):
then let's weed out the bad eggs, right, And unfortunately
that's it's not gonna happen, you know, God willing until
twenty twenty four. But yeah, that's that's our hope at
this point.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, Okay, that's that seems like the one hope when
you when you had such a lot pause, I thought, well,
maybe the hope the good news we have is that
the administration changes.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
No, that that is the hope. But that's a long
time till twenty twenty four. So that's I just I'm
very worried about what from now till then looks like I.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Mean, we've seen you know, I don't understand how you know,
criminal charges have been pressed against some of the leadership.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Well they're talking about doing it next week.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Like contempt at Congress, perjury.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
You know, those sixty House Republicans visited yesterday, they made
claim they are planning the draft articles impeachment against my
Orcus next week.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
If something like that happened, you know, maybe you know
because clearly you know, like I'm and this isn't a
political statement, so like, don't read into this. It's very
black and white for me, cut and dried. You do
your job, keep your job, don't do your job, lose
your job. And you know, like this is an important

(53:42):
job and it's clearly not being done despite any of
the cute videos at TSA counters, you know, airports across
the country. The job is not being done and it's
a bysmal failure. And I like, I don't understand, like
how someone hasn't be held criminally held accountable, especially for

(54:04):
the deliberately misleading and lying to Congress and to the
American people. And you know, like I'm, I mean criminal misconduct.
So like I would think that it would a change
of leadership, you know, with then, like you said, there's
all these laws, they just need to be enforced. You know,

(54:25):
there's someone willing to do it, you know, I don't.
I don't think that necessarily has to be a presidential change.
I think it needs to be a cabinet change, you know.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
You know, I wish I had the answers for that.
I agree that at some point, you know, people are
going to be held criminally, criminally liable for for some
of these things that have have happened in the country.
And I'll leave on this note. You know, we all
seen Israel Homas write that whole conflict over there and
our borders being wide open for the last three years.

(54:56):
Everybody that knows anything knows that. You know, we're we're
in a position right now that's scary in this country.
And I'll say that, you know, God forbid that we
have another nine to eleven type of situation in this country.
There's there's people with blood on their hands in our government,
and there I believe that they should be held responsible
for for what's been happening.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Absolutely, absolutely, there's been a serious dere election of duty.
And uh, but I just if I can hope for
anything that people would actually be held accountable for that
and not turn into a political ay day.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
But I just don't have no confidence in that. We
we got a minute or two left frost.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Any anything else you want to leave us with, good
or bad news, anything that you just want to lead
leave our listeners with.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
You know, I would say that, you know, we're we're
in a rough time as a country altogether, right not
just with the border, and you know, just everything's tough
right now, but there there is there's a reason to
be optimistic about the future. And I just want everyone
to know that, you know, the federal law enforcement regardless

(56:05):
of what agency you know, we and I get this
a lot from locals. You know, Unfortunately, we're really bound
to priorities and policies that are in place. So for
us not essentially doing our jobs at some times, it's
not because we don't want to. It's because we physically can't.
We're instructed not to. So I just want people to know,

(56:26):
you know, we're not bad people. There's there's a reason
that we can't do certain things right now. We're handcuffed
as as an agency, essentially as a government from the
powers that be so but we're here, you know, twenty
twenty four. Let's see, right, we're praying for a change,
and whatever that change is, we're here to make it happen,

(56:46):
to make the country safer.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
You hit on it, man, We're praying that's all we
can do and put it at his feet to to
help get this country back to the God fearing country
it once was with values, morals and beliefs. So all
right with that, I will wrap it up before we
go over time. Thank you so much for us for
coming on man, we'd love to.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Have you back on again.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I know we can continue to talk for a week.
There were so many things we didn't get into, but
thank you so much for giving us some of your time.
Everyone else, thank you for for tuning in and listening.
Great start to twenty twenty four. What an awesome guest.
Got Toby back in the in the seat, and we
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Speaker 5 (57:39):
Thank you, sir, yeah,