SATN Episode 365 with Rob "The Unpaid" Producer and Sean

Hot topics of the day. Ukraine, State of the Democrat party, JKP and Jake Tapper books, Biden autopen, and more

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Welcome to Stu in the Nun episode three sixty five.
Stu in the Nun both have the night off, so
you're stuck with me Rob the unpaid producer, and I
have my friend friend of the show, Sean here with us. Sean,
how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I'm good. Thanks for having me Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, boy, do we have a show tonight. There are
no shortage of topics, no short So let's let's kind
of jump right into the first thing I wanted to
talk about was Ukraine. Right, So, for for the last
several years, Ukraine Russia, I mean, this has been a
conflict for going on for a couple of years, and
you know, we never quite know what truth we're getting

(02:16):
out of, you know there, because obviously none of us
are there. But you know, I think for the most part,
we've we've always we view Russia as the big bad right,
and the big powerful military and going in and really
dominating Ukraine. Now that being said, this has gone on
for a couple of years, So you know, what, if
if Russia is so powerful a military, why have they

(02:39):
not been able to take care of Ukraine? Right? So now,
I think I think one of the the answers to
that is is you know, NATO and US AID. Right,
we're supplying them with weapons, We're supplying them with money,
We're supplying them with you know, resources. There's even US
citizens over there fighting on the front lines. So, right,

(03:00):
what do you think?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I think a lot of it has to do with
the money, perhaps the sanctions to a degree, But it
sounds like Putin has insulated himself, or at least did
for her quite some time against those sanctions. I think
the money, more than anything, they've been able to purchase,
insulate themselves, purchase arms, just purchase their way through this

(03:27):
thing for quite some time. It seems to me that,
I mean, you know, just from a casual observer, just
like yourself, right, it seems to me that they've that
they've been extending, extending this longer than it should be.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Right. Well, I mean Russia. Russia is getting backing from China, right,
I mean China. You know, we don't really have any
sanctions other than you know, the tariff war going on
with China. But China's I mean, they're they're not hurting
for money, not not really. I mean it could be,
but you never know. So I mean, you've got on
one side, you've got the US funding Ukraine. On the
other side, you've got China funding Russia, three of the biggest,

(04:08):
biggest bads in the you know, on the globe right now,
and we almost seemed to be in a stalemate until
until recently when Ukraine struck into Russian territory, into mainland
Russia with what I thought was pretty ingenious in their
drone strike. I mean, I saw a meme earlier this week,

(04:32):
and I wish I could have found it for the show.
And it showed a US aircraft carrier and it was
I forget which one, and then it showed like a
uk Russia aircraft carrier, and then it showed a Ukraine
aircraft carrier and it was a semi truck and trailer.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It almost reminds you of one of those spy versus
spy nineteen sixty ish massade type let's go kidnap the
Nazis in South America type operations. That's kind of what
it reminds you of. They they hid drones inside wooden

(05:07):
crates on trains going in to Russia and apparently got
fairly deep inside and by various reports, they took out
anywhere from a third to half of Russia's long range
bombers that they used to deliver heavy munitions and potentially WMDs.

(05:31):
So it's significant. I mean, who knows how much truth
there is to any of this, because I mean, apparently
apparently Donald Trump was taken by surprise.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, and I've got a video for that. That's a
good segue into the video I want to play. There's
a we saw in Trump's first administration. We saw where things,
you know, either hidden from him or used against him.
And this video I'm going to show, I think we're
kind of going down that same path. So let let
me pull that up and let's let's watch this real quick.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
For sure, all of this is that elements of the
US intelligence community that absolutely knew about this operation Spiderweb
and hid it from the President of the United States
and the White House, upper echelons of the national security leadership,

(06:25):
and particularly there are a lot of questions surrounding as
you've mentioned Senator Lindsay Graham, but also former CIA director
Mike Pompeo, who is currently right now in Odessa, Ukraine,
And there's a lot of questions about who actually is
the head of the CIA because Mike Pompeo is over there.
Mike Pompeo has said that we need to end the

(06:47):
piece talks. Mike Pompeo has said that the war should continue.
And they're now seeing elements of the CIA apparatus and
other national security apparatuses within the current and Trump administration,
within the current government of the United States that are
loyal now to Brennan, they are loyal to Clapper. They

(07:07):
were those guys that were put up and promoted during
the Biden administration, so they got started. Remember under Obama
they were never fired. Then under Biden they were put
into positions of power. Steve, they are still in those
positions of power, and they have gone rogue.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Wow, so we we have what's fired.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well, we came out of one presidency where we didn't
know who was in charge, and we'd come into another
one and we think we know who are in charge,
who's in charge, But it seems like there's still a
lot of a lot of things going on, you know
behind closed doors that the deep state. You know, anybody,
I mean, a couple of years ago you say the
words deep state and you're calling conspiracy theorists. But now

(07:49):
I think these are conspiracy facts. These are not theories, right,
So I mean, what are we to make of this
if this is Is this a case where Trump is
insulating himself so that he can still play both sides
of the fence, or is this truly a case where
the president of the United States knows nothing about what

(08:11):
our CIA and what our deep state is doing.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think it's a case of there are so many
rogue actors embedded into this multinational organization that has their
tentacles into everything that I'm not even sure of course,
this is his second term, that this is Trump's second term,

(08:37):
and he had a four year hiatus where he could
plan this out, and we've seen it go smoother than
a lot of people predict they would because he had
a four year hiatus where he could plan it out.
But these folks are embedded in there so deep, and
the tentacles are everywhere that they don't know who is
where and doing what. That's what I think it is

(08:58):
that it's so hard to root these pep people out.
They're like these It's like when your dog goes into
the woods hunting with you and gets ticks and you're
and you find yourself picking out ticks for the next
month and they're just everywhere. That's the best analogy I
could come up with.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
So, I mean, with with a dog, at least you
can treat your dog for ticks before you take him
to the woods. But here you've got you've got no
way to treat.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know, you can't treat, especially with road judges right, yes.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Time, every time he tries to do anything, whether it's
you know, layoff the people in the government or eliminate
institutions that were created by executive power like the Education Department,
he's he's being blocked at every turn and he's unable
to do so. So where do we go from here?
I mean, how how do we clean up? How does
it do we just? Are they going to simply wait

(09:50):
him out and do what they're going to do and
just ignore it or I mean.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
So we were talking about this earlier. That's my fear.
My fear is they're going to wait him out. If
I were, oh goodness, if I were king for a day,
what would I I mean, what would I do? He
doesn't have the ability to fire. Apparently he doesn't have

(10:17):
the ability to fire, but I wonder if he has
the ability to silo And what I mean by silo
is take these rogue actors, or at least root them
out where you know where they're at, and silo them
in a way where they're completely ineffectual and toothless. Make
them as toothless as possible. Or play dirty pool. I mean,

(10:40):
this sounds terrible, This sounds terrible, but play dirty pool.
Initiate investigations against all of them.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Just in order to do so, you have to have
the full power of Congress behind you. And as we've
seen time and time again, Republicans are spineless Republicans Right now,
the Republicans could starve the CIA of money, of money.

(11:07):
The the current Republicans owned the House and the Senate
and the Presidency. Where are these Republicans at? Where are
you at, Mike? Where are you at?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (11:18):
What's the Senate leader? Thuon? Where are you at?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Rick Scott? Right? Well? Where that right?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
You know?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I love Rick Scott, So I'm just I'm just wondering
where the representatives from my state, great state of Florida,
where are they at? Where all? I mean, I'm not
trying to call them out because I love them, I
love them. I try to help get them elected, But
where are they at what are we doing? You're exactly right.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I mean spineless, I mean he he if what Paso
Bic just just put out, if that is you know,
provable one fact and Donald Trump knew nothing about. We
have a we have a true constitutional crisis that the
Democrats keep screaming about. That is a true constitutional crisis
when an elect when a duly elected president who has

(12:10):
given all of these powers by us because we elected him,
and he is being subverted by unelected bureaucrats and unelected
deep state individuals. We have a true constitutional crisis where
we are no longer a constitutional republic and we are
we are one foot in the grave or one foot

(12:31):
into communism, where the country is not being run by
who we think it's being run by.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
This is a man who is elected by popular mandate,
by the will of the people, and in my humble opinion,
the first president definitely in my lifetime and probably in
all in all of the twenty first century, probably in

(13:00):
all of the twentieth century, who really really has the
American people's best interests at heart. And they are terrified,
they're threatened, they're completely threatened by what's going on. And
you're seeing the machine act in ways that's unpredictable. They

(13:21):
don't know what to do. And I don't think it's
just the Democrats, it's both sides of it. They don't
know how to react.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Well, the machine is self protecting, right, I mean correct,
it's going to always protect itself. That's right, against against
any anything that comes in. You know, it's it's like
the white blood cells in the body.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know, it's going to attack.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Anything that comes in that they don't want it, that
threatens their existence or threatens there their well being. Right,
that's JFK, Yeah, exactly. Regardless of what is right for
the American people. We are so far past what is
right for the American people with this government, with these
un elected bureau with these activist judges. We are so

(14:03):
far past what is good for the American people. I
don't know where we go from here. I truly don't
know where we go.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
It's so if he went fully radical, which he hasn't,
and he hasn't even come close to going what the
Democrats warned, you know, tried to warn everyone against coming up.
Oh you know, he's a threat to the democracy. He
hasn't even come close. He hasn't even come close. I

(14:31):
think it's one of those things. And I hope this
is not true, and the ardent patriot in me hopes
this not true. But I fear it's one of those
things that maybe to save it, you have to break
it just a little bit, just to save it. In
my heart of hearts, I hope that's not the case.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Well, let me let me start this off by saying,
I am not condoning violence. I am not asking for this.
I am simply dating effect. Right, every country has gone
through a revolution. Now, I don't consider the American revolution
quote unquote this country's revolution. That was a revolution to
start this country. But if you look at the French Revolution,

(15:14):
if you look at all the other countries revolutions, I
mean that is the that is the people against their government. Now,
our American revolution, you know, again, was a little bit different,
but I almost I mean, we we always hear of
civil war. I don't think civil war would solve anything.
Civil war would cause a lot of problems. But I

(15:35):
think I think a revolution maybe more likely because more
and more people are getting fed up with the government. Now.
I think January sixth and what happened post January sixth
with the Biden administration. I think that that puts a
lot of fear in people because we saw people incarcerated
for four years with with no you know, due process

(15:57):
that the Democrats cry for for every illegal that's being deported.
I think that does squash some of that, but I
don't really think we're too far off from it because
people are getting fed.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Up where I think this goes, And honestly, this may
be a slight segway off topic or segue into something
else entirely, but I think where we are at as
a society is right now. You have two political parties
in this country. You have two and it's been that

(16:29):
way since since basically the Civil War. It's been that
way since the Whigs dissipated, and you have the Republican
and Democrat parties. I think in our lifetime one hundred percent,
probably by the twenty thirties and mid twenty thirties twenty forty,
you're going to see three to four major political parties,

(16:53):
not just the Green Party with one or two members
in Congress or I'm talking three to four. I think
the Democrat Party is going to be the first party
to have a major schism, a major fracture. You'll see
that fracture followed by the Republican Party and the wing
of that that's going to fracture off is are going

(17:15):
to be the moderate, the moderate the I like to
call them the Rhino Republicans from the Maga Republicans that's
going to fracture. The Democrats are going to fracture. And
I think while we end up rob in our lifetime
is going to be for four major parties. And honestly

(17:37):
that I'm not sure if that fixes anything, but I
believe that would be good for the country in a way.
It will give us more points of view and more
dissenting opinions. I mean that may lead, I mean, it
may lead the chaos. It's just just I just think
there needs to be more voices heard at this point.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, I mean we've we've had in the past, We've
had the Green Party, right, and the Green Party always
seems to but those are parties to me, well, they
always put up some lunatic, some some you know, I mean,
what sin.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
There wasn't Jill Stein a Green Party? Ye?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, I mean they always put up I mean, what
was what was the guy that they ran?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Like?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
What is an Aleppo. He didn't know where Aleppo was, Like,
are you kidding me? Now? I think if we had,
you know, four or more, I think that would be better.
I think I think two is no longer the answer. No,
I think I mean, especially when you have people go
independent like Bernie Sanders who always votes Democrat, Why why

(18:40):
why do you continue to lie to your your constituents
and why do your constituents allow you to lie to them?
I mean, you're not an independent, You're a Democrat. Period.
You even ran on the Democratic and they yanked the
rug out from underneath and you went crying back to it.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I think the AOC wing, whatever, the wad, whatever you
want to call that, I think that's going to be
the you know, sheep falls under the Bernie sandersh umbrella.
I think that's going to be a schism. That's going
to be a schism that's going to be this This

(19:17):
is my weird conspiracy theory of how it's going to fracture.
But I don't think it's that. I mean that this
isn't far fetched. This is I mean, all the stuff
we've seen come out in the last few years, this
is completely plausible. There's going to be a schism. It's
gonna it's got, it's going to break. It's not going
to be a wing of the Democrat Party. It is

(19:37):
going to fracture. When your popularity isn't even at twenty percent,
it has to fracture. I mean it has.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Congress overall has had had a low double digit you know,
approval rating for decades, right, I mean nobody approves approves
of them. But you're right, the Democrat Party right now
is I mean there, they're a ruddorless ship. They don't
they don't have they don't have a captain, they don't
have a rudder. They're just kind of floating around.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
There is no captain.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Now what I what I'm hoping doesn't happen, and it
always happens, So I'm I'm probably throwing it out there
in the ether because it'll happen sooner than later. Did
you Well, Republicans can't seem to get out of their
own way, right, I mean they they're they're spineless. They
get into a majority, they do nothing. Uh and when

(20:29):
they you know, yeah, they continue it safe. Yeah, that's
that's a good segue into the next video. I wanted
to show. Uh, Nick Freetas, who is a part of
the Virginia House of Delegates as a Republican, a former
Green Beret. I think he is actually leaving office. I
don't know what he's gonna do, but he's leaving office.

(20:53):
But I don't want to play a video on and
he he nails this perfectly.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Democrats are in power. They're not afraid to do things
that will cause them to lose power temporarily if it
means they get the sort of permanent structural changes that
will ensure that they get back power in the future.
And Republicans are not They're not willing to do it.
They're not willing to make the cuts. They're not willing
to go back and make an argument to somebody and
tell somebody no. The Democrats and the progressives have operated

(21:18):
onto the understanding that if they move as far and
as fast as they possibly can when they have power,
even when they lose intermittent elections, they'll be back and
they'll have a bigger bureaucracy to work with, a bigger
budget to work with, and they'll be able to manipulate
it in the ways they want to push their ideological
agenda at the expense of taxpayers. Republicans on the other hand,
So no, no, we got to keep the majority because
we've got to stop all the things the progressives are doing.

(21:39):
If you don't exercise the power the voters have given
you in order to do the things that you said
you would do, you will lose power. They lose power
temporarily because they move too fast. You lose it because
you don't do enough.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
He's it right on the head, right on the head.
I've been saying this forever. The goalposts get moved every
Democrat majority we had, and the Republicans, being the spineless ones,
they are never moved the goalposts back. They just accept
that as the new norm and try to go forward.
And they and then they they put on these dog
and pony shows. You know, Oh, we're gonna have all

(22:16):
of these these hearings. I don't want hearings. I want
to see people. I want to see like the Democrats
did to Roger Stone. I want to see you go
into an eighty year old's house and pull him out
in his underwear and handcuffs. I want to see Chuck
Schumer dragged from his house in handcuffs and his underwear.
You know, uh, I want you to. I want you

(22:38):
to go raid Nancy Pelosi's house and go digging through
her underwear drawer house. Yeah, like like you did Milania Trump.
I want to see that, you know. But but Republicans
are spineless. Now, I had I had high hosts for Pambondi.
I had high hosts for Cash mattel Uh. You know.

(22:59):
Bringing on Dan Bongino, he talks a good game. I'm
starting to lose a lot of faith in him. I'm
seeing nothing.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I know. We're going to talk about the Epstein files
in a bit, so I'll wait on that. But you know,
a lot of the Tambody pushback is coming from that.
It's coming from that. I'm from Florida, so I am
a fan. But you're absolutely right. He hit that. I mean,
he nailed that. It's kind of hard to refute what

(23:29):
he's saying. I do have a bit of trepidation handing
back over power to the Democrats because I know how wacky,
how wacky their ideology is. And I use this analogy
the other day. It's like we're stuck in a pendulum. Right,
We're stuck in a pendulum, and a pendulum can do

(23:50):
one of the three things. It can swing wildly and
eventually settle in the middle. I don't think we're there
at all. Or it can swing wildly and get stuck
to one side. I do think that's a distinct possibility.
Or we've seen that seen right, Or it can swing

(24:10):
wildly and collapse. I hope we're not there. So I'm there.
There's a large part of me that is afraid to
hand back power to the party a crazy. I agree
with everything he said one hundred percent. So so yes,

(24:31):
we need to move forward with the mandate given to
us by the American people one hundred percent. At the
same time, is there a way to do it and
not handback power to crazy? I think so, as long
as we keep pushing common sense policies. I mean, I

(24:56):
do believe there's enough people in this country who don't
want to see men in women's bathrooms and men in
boxing rings.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Beating up in women.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
You know, I'm sure there has to be enough. There
has to be fifty one percent of this country that
believes that's wrong. Things like that are wacky, and the
Party of Wacky thinks things like that are okay.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Well, I mean, until until the Mike Johnson's until the
you know the we've gotten rid of a couple of others,
but until those individuals are driven from the party. Now,
I I'm a big rand Paul fan. I'm a big
Massy out of Kentucky fan. They're logical people, and they

(25:40):
look at things. You don't increase the budget with a
promise to decrease it. No, show me right. You can
show me you you want to decrease the budget by
decreasing the budget, only after you have decreased it to
a point where we are no longer running a deficit.
Show me you can do that right, and then we
can start having a conversation on how you want to

(26:03):
spend money.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
But until you.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Get your house under control, until you get your spending
under control, you need to not be able to spend
another dime.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Right. I think Ram Paul's big pushback and correct me
if I'm wrong. I think his current big pushback isn't
so much what's in the bill other than lifting the
debt ceiling that has been the current beautiful bill.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Big beautiful bill increases the debt by another five three
dollars because he's throwing a bunch into.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
The debt ceiling. Though it raises the debt ceiling.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Well, you have to. You have to raise the debt
ceiling because you're going to increase it by five trillion dollars.
So he's throwing a bunch of money into the into
the military, which we both support. I fully agree with that.
But in the same sense, you have to get the
you know, the CIA, this FBI, the Pentagon. You have
to get their budgets reduced, right, you have to get

(26:58):
those budgets down on and hold them accountable to where
that spending is going. I mean, I fully agreed with
what Doges was doing. We don't need to be spending
money on Sesame Street and god Iraq. That's not what
the American taxpayers need to spend the money on. We
don't need transgender surgeries in Bogota, Columbia or where. We

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don't need to be spending that money. We need to
get that under control. Don't tell me, don't don't make
more promises, because we know the government doesn't keep promises.
They're not capable of keeping promises. Show me with action,
show me with results that you can do what you
say you're gonna do. Then we can have a conversation

(27:42):
about spending money where you want to spend it now.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Well, so so there was there was I was watching
you know, I was watching Fox News, and I think
Jesse Waters was talking about that. You know, there's some
pork in this bill, but there's pork in all of them. No,
if you took out a lot of the pork, and pork,

(28:07):
what is pork? It's the pet projects for the different districts.
So this congressman's Congressman so and so, won't the way
you earn his vote is by funding construction of such
and such freeway in his district. Take take that shit
out of the bill. Take that out of the bill.

(28:30):
I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure that's not going to
lower the bill by five trillion, but maybe it lowers
it by a trillion. So let's start there. Take the
pork out. Really, I want the representatives to serve the people.
Take your pork out. If the people in your district
are not voting for you, unless you're going to get
a bridge funded, then you know what, maybe you weren't

(28:53):
that good of.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
A candidate to begin with. Well, and you have state budgets, right,
States have budgets. That's for that it should be spent right, right.
I want single line item bills. I don't want. I
don't want all these thousands of pages. Give me put
up a bill that says we're going to give Israel
two billion dollars. You see, if you support Israel, see

(29:17):
where your representative votes. And if you don't support Israel,
see where you're representative votes. If you're representative votes for
it and you don't support Israel, then that representative doesn't
get your vote the next time. And that's the way
it should be. That's the way it was designed to be.
We should be able to see where they're voting for.
But they've created this blanket for everybody, this cover so

(29:39):
that they can hide underneath it and say, oh, well,
I had to vote for it because of this, or
I had to vote for it because of this, And
they vote with the party. What's good for quote unquote
the party, not what's good for the American people. Give
me single line out. I don't care if you've got
to do three thousand bills this year. Give me three

(29:59):
thousand single line item bills and let everybody see where
they vote, or.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Bring back the the line item veto like, didn't they
do away with that? I mean, that's no that's no
longer no thing.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
I doubt that.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
But I mean, so it's all this pork. I mean, so,
do we have what two hundred and twenty two and
twenty one twenty two seats in Congress. I guarantee you
there are two hundred and twenty two at least minimum
pet projects in that just so you get everyone to

(30:36):
vote for it. Okay, I'm gonna get you to vote
for this just so I could get a dog walking
part in your district.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
That does his report every year. And one of the
things that he put out a couple of years ago
was how the voting for foreign aid happens. Right, They
don't say, here's a bill to get foreign aid to Afghanistan,
here's a bill to give foreign aid to Banglad, here's
the here's a bill for foreign aid for the Congo.
Here's it. No, it's one bill. It says, here is

(31:07):
three trillion dollars. Here's our foreign aid package, US A,
D and Pentagon. Go spend this how you want mm hmm.
And then doing so, we're giving we're giving countries that
hate much just what we're giving countries that hate us money.
Stop giving money to countries that hate us. You know,
if you're giving a penny to Iran, you shouldn't be.

(31:31):
They hate us, don't give it to them. You know,
we need to We need to bring that, you know,
to the front. Vote on single, single out every country
and their foreign aid package. It doesn't matter. If one
country gets more than the other, that's fine. It doesn't
matter if some countries don't get any right, that's fine.
If they hate us and they stand in the streets
and scream death to America, guess what, you don't get

(31:54):
any money this.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Year, doesn't really matter. If they're broke, yeah, you scream
whatever they it won't be broke.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I watched, I watched, and it was I forget what
I think it was. Ethiopia was the former president of Ethiopia,
and and Trump had canceled the amount of money we
were giving them. And he got up there and he said,
what are you crying for. It's not your money, it's
not your bank account. They were giving you that money
out of the goodness of their heart. Why are you

(32:21):
crying when they decided not to give you money. He
owes you nothing. That's their bank account. Go fix it yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's like they feel entitled to the US taxpayers dollars.
Every US taxpayer, it should incense them that a foreign
entity feels entitled to your tax dollars.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, I mean, I understand. The premise is if we
don't give them money, China will and they'll go running
to bricks. And if they go running to bricks, which
a lot of a lot of countries have, we're gonna
end up with the American dollar no longer being the
world's currency. And I agree that that is a threat.

(33:09):
But there's a better way to do it than just
carte blanche setting American tax money on fire. Right, you know,
Iran is going to join bricks no matter what. Iran
is not going to continue to That's correct, especially if
we Russia may Yeah, especially if we continue to keep
sanctions on them, they are not going to come. You know,

(33:30):
hey us, let's be best friends. You know, we're having
a barbecue this weekend. Come on over. You know that's
not going to happen. So we we can do this
better and instead of this just setting the American tax
money on fire. So yeah, yeah, So let's uh, let's
get to the the elephant in the room, the latest

(33:54):
tweet by musk Oh.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Here we go, This is great. The waiting on this one. Yeah,
so come on there, we're just my stuff in my
seat here.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
So Elon sent this tweet out earlier, and several more.
There's a couple of tweets that follow this. This said,
the screen capture was done a little earlier today, and uh,
Trump followed up with a tweet about, you know, pulling
all of musk. You know, we can save a lot
of money by pulling all the grants that muskas and
stuff like that. So it's like it's two petulant children,

(34:30):
you know, throwing sand on the playground. But the problem is,
this is two of the most powerful people in the world.
This is this is the richest, the richest man, and
the president of the United States and the most powerful
man and the most powerful man. And when things well
to an extent, I mean, we saw the deal from

(34:52):
Pasobic but yeah, uh, our our enemies are looking at
this going here we go. We just had four years
of an incompetent president. Now we've got four years coming
of a guy who can't even can't even hold cordial
with with somebody that you just had as part of

(35:14):
his administration.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Well, so I have an analogy that they're out there,
and I have to make sure that that I don't
get you in trouble with this analogy. But so it's
like that, uh, we were both in the military a while,
and it's like that that military couple that we all
lived next to or all knew that, you know, that

(35:38):
they always fought right. And then the husband locked locked
the wife out. And then the wife goes on Facebook
and she posts some salacious stuff about about the husband.
You know, he does this and that, and it's it's
just the most terrible stuff ever. That's what this is.

(36:00):
And and the sad thing is this isn't good for
anybody this. I know there are democrats, you know, jumping
up and down. Oh you know, this is great. It
shows you what the real dysfunction is. No, no, this
isn't good for anybody. We needed these two men to
work together. And I actually think that that that they

(36:26):
will likely mend this up. I just think that this
is at argument between good friends. Unfortunately, it's an argument
between two massively rich and powerful and egotistical good good
friends who have mega platforms. One has one has X
and the other has truth socials.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Right, It's it's great.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
In terms of like talking points.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
I mean, uh, I don't know where to land on
this one. You know, I try not. I try, you know,
like with with almost anything, I try to, you know,
let the facts speak right. If Elon Musk has proof,
show it right, show the world you have it. Now.
If he doesn't have proof, he's risking getting sued by Trump.

(37:21):
For now, I don't know if Trump can sue or
something like that. I don't know Trump Trump is sou
Trump Trump will throw a lawsuit out there, you know,
in a heartbeat.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, we already know that his name does show up
simply because he was he at Epstein shared flights. They
they shared flights. I mean, that's that's benign. So we
know that that he shows up. The place where this
does kind of make one's head scratch is the whole

(37:56):
And this is the conspiracy theorist in me. And I
believe you said the other day and it was great,
we were we were talking and you had said, if
you're not a conspiracy theorist, now you're not normal? Is
that what you said? Or is something along those And
I'm like, you know what, I think Rob's right, But
the conspiracy theorists in me, there's been a lot of

(38:16):
pushback on Pam Bondi and Cash Betel about the Epstein
files a lot. That's where a lot of their pushed
back is. I think outside the Epstein files, there was
no pushback about the JFK stuff because no one expected.
No one expected, I mean, no no reasonable person expected
the JFK files to come out and say, oh, yeah, no,

(38:38):
here's the here's the gunment on the grass, you know,
and and and it was Sean Connery. I mean, no
one expected that. What what those files did show was
a massively incompetent federal government. But but in terms of
the Epstein files, this is you know, she you know,
she promised a release, didn't happen, to my knowledge, still

(39:03):
hasn't happened. And now this coming out from Elon Musk
it's it just it just it just makes the wheels spin.
I mean, you know, would he know this, would would
would Pam Bondye and Cash Patail trust this knowledge around

(39:24):
Elon Musk or I think what's more believable is maybe
Donald and Elon were sitting up in the residence and
maybe Donald's like, oh, this epstin thing. I mean, you
can just conspiracy theory this all day thing, and you know,
apparently apparently I'm in it. I mean, I mean, it

(39:44):
could be anything. I mean I don't think I think
it's just him just going on X and just trying
to mess with trying to mess with dj T, which
is also smart.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
But well, there's a there's a couple of things. One,
you know, Trump showed up and the the answer was
that his plane was was being repaired. Now I've seen
years ago, uh, things on Trump's plane, and he's very
particular about his plane. Serial numbers have to mattch like
if you get an engine replaced. I mean like he

(40:15):
goes down to that detail for his personal plane. Right, So, uh,
why would somebody ride with Epstein if they have their
own personal plane? Now I can understand not taking Air
Force one, you.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Know, did ride with him or maybe?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I think I think it was the other way around.
I think Trump's plane was being worked on. I could
be wrong, I could be right. But the other the Yeah,
the next thing in that if Trump was in there
in any shape, form or fashion, do you not think
the Democrats would have released that four years ago? Do

(40:49):
you not think that they would have released that his
first run for president? I mean, they tried to get
him with it with this Russia Gate bullshit. Do you
not think that they would have during his presidency the
first time released that information. But on the other so
on the other side, Musk does have his cast of

(41:10):
minions that are digging through data. And we know, you know,
it doesn't matter how secure your environment is. It's not
if you get hacked. It's when you get hacked and
when the vulnerability is found and when somebody is willing
to leak something. So did one of his minions find

(41:31):
something and he has proof? We don't know, We don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
So that's a very good point.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I want to add one more thing to that. And
you and I talked about this the other day. Other
than in Washington, where blackmail we know is prevalent, why
in the world would anybody keep that information? Why is
that not sitting at the bottom of a volcano somewhere

(42:01):
That is like pure cancer to touch.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's comproment, that's comproment. And and you know, I mean
I fully believe that Epstein was you know, and this
is you known conspiracy theory. I mean, you hear Joe
Rogan talking about this all the time. I fully believe
that Epstein was was just a a a CIA, a

(42:31):
tool of the Intel agencies, and they used him to
just collect comproma on eververyone and and he just had
it on everyone. And I think someone just posted it
was mutually assured destruction. I would agree with that only

(42:52):
if Trump had access to the same information, because we're saying,
why didn't the Dems re released that when Biden had
these four years in office? Right? Well, I mean, you know,
there could be someone that had access to the files
that say, hey, if you released this about Trump, then

(43:13):
will put all the stuff out about Bill and Hillary?
Of course they could get you know, you got to
be careful.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
With Bill and Hillary.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
People disappear in their wake all the time.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
So higher body count than what's what's that porn star
out of the Middle East?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Okay on your podcast and then you throw that out.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
But you know that that is just you know what,
why hasn't it come out? You know Trump promised it, right,
he said in this campaign he wanted it released. Would
he make that promise knowing either A He's not going
to release it or B he's in there. I don't
think he would release it if he thought he was
in there.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Well, well, Okay, so let's just throw something else out.
So one, how hard would it be if if he's
in there, he's a president. I mean, I'm not accusing
him of anything. I'm just let's put on our ten

(44:21):
foil hats. How hard would it be you're the president, now, Rob,
how hard would it be for you the attorney general
in cash ptail to make sure permanently anything that's about
you that's in those files is no longer. It's kind
of like the JFK files. Anything that was in those

(44:44):
files that pointed to anyone long time ago got burned
in the bottom of a volcano, right, So anything that's
in there about Trump, you don't think he would have
burned in the bottom of a volcan. Now, what I
think is more likely. What I think is more likely

(45:05):
is that there's probably just as much stuff in there
about prominent Republicans and Republican donors and conservative backers as
there are on the liberal and leftist side. That's what
I think. I think both sides have dirt that Epstein

(45:29):
was the ultimate CIA collection intel collection mechanism. Like he
had his Epstein Island and it was this big funnel
and he just collected on just everybody, and he didn't discriminate.
He had pictures of Bill Clinton on his wall and
the mini skirt and the dress and whatever. He just collected.

(45:51):
He didn't discriminate. This dude just collected everywhere. That's what
I think. I think if Donald Trump is in these things,
he would deep six himself out of that.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I think it very seriously. There is just one copy.
He can't deep six. We live in a digital age.
We live in we live in you know again, Washington
is this cesspool of just degeneracy. And what can I
hold over you to get you to come to my site?
Not not that I can convince you with a normal argument,

(46:23):
like adults do. Let me hold something over your head
to control you to do what I want you to do.
That's right, you know. It's it's like it's like we're
being governed by a bunch of goddamn children that every
one of them needs their asspant and put in the
corner for the next half century and let the adults

(46:44):
take over.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
It only takes one one crazy leaker, one person that says,
you know what, I don't give a shit anymore. Of course,
that they're going to destroy the credibility of this person.
If if this person doesn't mysteriously hang themselves, you know,

(47:06):
or just commit suicide. But it only takes one, Well,
who's that one going to be?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I'll extend this conspiracy a little bit? How much do
you want to bet? The takedown of WikiLeaks was to
make sure they had control over the data that could
have leaked, because he always had a kill switch and
they had to make sure they took that guy down
so that they could control that information and not let

(47:37):
any of it out.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Do you know that there was a time that there
was a time and I've worked in and around government,
you know, a long time, right, and there was a
time when I was all for I'm like, you know what,
this wikileaked thing is wrong. They need to prosecute this guy.
We to get this guy from the the UK. I

(48:03):
keep forgetting his name, the Wicked Weeks guy, But I
mean it's been that long that he's been out of
the news. But I used to be in that camp, okay,
And now I'm like, you know what, this guy was
a real threat, a real threat to a lot of people,

(48:24):
a lot of people, and they and you know what
I got, I got totally hoodwinked along with billions of
other people. Julian Assange, Julian Assane. That's that, that's right,
Thank you, Doug.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
So yeah, I would almost bet he's tied in there somewhere.
I would to all of this. You know, they're the
other conspiracy. Part of that is it's not the CIA,
it's Massigh Israel. Israel controls it. Oh god, you know
which I mean massade Depending on who you talk you

(49:00):
is more I'll just say, more crafty and more skilled
than the CIA is.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, man, this is deep.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
I mean, we could go we could go way this one.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
We can riff all day on this.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I've heard conspiracies that that Musk and and uh Trump
are glluting on this together, making it all public so
that they could get the Democrats to agree to release
the files to you know, this is simply what what
it appears to be. And and two two egotistical maniacs
just throwing the temper tantrum and throwing Sam on the playground.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
So I just think it's it's it's, it's it's in.
Both these guys have have have very similar similar personalities.
I mean, you can't get to where these guys are
at in life without being extremely narcissistic and egotistical. I

(50:09):
mean it's kind of like Michael Jordan. You could not
be Michael Jordan without being as maniacal and just as
as just as narcissistic and egotistical as that dude has
to be to want to be the very best at
what he does. Well, do you think these guys are

(50:30):
exactly the same?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Do you think they're that way? You know, it's the
age old question is man good or evil? Right? So
do you think they're that way from the beginning or
do you think they become that way as they become successful,
Because you can be maniacal and if you're not successful,
you're just an asshole, right.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I think they have those traits and you combine it
with a high level of intelligence. It's like anything. So
I'll go back to Michael Jordan. He has those super
competitive those traits, but like if he has my athletic ability,
he's not going to the NBA, he's not gonna be
on TV. He has to have the skill. They always

(51:12):
said there were tons of guys that had Michael Jordan's
physical ability, but they just didn't have this. And I
mean there's plenty of guys who are as smart as
Elon Musk. He's not the only one, but just to
have that little extra. There's plenty of guys like Donald Trump.
I mean, there's guys that have more money, and there's
people who are more successful in business than Donald Trump.

(51:35):
I mean, you look, he got a modest five million
dollar a loan from his dad in nineteen sixty eight,
you know what I mean. I mean, so there are
people who are more successful, but they have a little extra,
and I think it's the combination of those things that
is the perfect mixture concoction that makes them this this
this entity that they are, right, And I'm just glad

(51:59):
you can.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Men like Warren Buffett. I mean, I don't know the
guy obviously, right. I probably can't even sit in the
same state with a guy. But anyway, I mean, he's
very successful, right, but he doesn't have any of those traits,
at least from what I've seen. He seems to be
a you know, very intelligent person. But he's not this evil,
you know, egotistical type person.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
We don't know him. We don't know him. I mean,
it's true, it's true. I do think when you're in
the room, I don't mean, I don't know him. I'll
you know, it's nine nine point nine to nine percent
should I'll never know him. But I guarantee you if
you're in the boardroom with that dude, and it comes
down to a cold business decision, even if he knew that,

(52:46):
it would make you homeless and your and your kids
would never eat again, and he would take the food
out of your last puppy's mouth, and it would increase
his net worth by fifty cents. I bet you he'd
do it.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Yeah, putting, putting on a good face for the.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Public, and and and and I don't necessarily know if
that makes him evil.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, well, I mean Trump also has that. You know,
he got the taste of it with his his TV show, right,
and he he wants to be you know this this
TV president, this TV personality, right, and he's he's on
that all the time. I mean, he he is. I
think he's truly capable of saying things in almost any

(53:35):
situation that are not controversial, that are not caused you know,
calling Rose o'donald a fat pig. He doesn't have to.
He's capable of not saying that. He just simply doesn't
want to not say.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
That he knows what puts buts. Mike Tyson said it
best controversy. I believe he says something along the lines
of controversy puts butts in the seats. He knows what
puts butts in the seats, he knows what. He's been
on TV since the mid to late seventies. I mean,
he's he's really more so than Ronald Reagan even, he's

(54:12):
really the first hardcore television personality president. He is the
first one. He's the first of his kind, a reality
TV president.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know. Had reality TV existed,
I think Kennedy would have been on that. I mean,
with his with his you know, Marilyn Monroe and all
of that. I mean that that was that was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Should he even be president now?

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Not even.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I mean if you go back in history, I mean
we look at you know, we often look at things
through the lens of today, right, and if you go
back and study history, controversy around the presidency has been
there the whole time. I mean, Garfield was so so
obese he had to be helped out of the bathtub because.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
He was that was taffed. I think that, I mean
just the little things like Billard in the tub just
to help that man get out. And then it was Woodrow.
It was Woodrow. Wilson his his wife practically ran the
country for a year a year and a half. I mean,
that's that awestly. That maybe a good segue to the

(55:16):
auto pen.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
I'm sure, Oh yeah, yeah, we completely skipped over auto pen.
Let's talk about Let's talk about auto pen real quick.
So it was reported today that out of the over
four thousand pardons, four and forty five pardons that were
signed under the Biden administration, only one did Biden physically

(55:37):
sign himself. So he signed Hunter Biden's pardon. Have a
theory on that now, was the theory he wanted to
make sure it was one hundred percent legit Or was
it that he was thinking, this is so personal to
me for my son that I want to do it.
So I didn't do it for James. He didn't do

(55:59):
it for for his brother. I don't know what he
thinks of his brother.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Maybe they don't get cly not Fauci.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yeah, didn't do Vuci.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
No.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
But it definitely brings into question is this going to
be challenged in the courts?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I think it's it was not only personal for him,
it was personal for Jill, was personal for the whole family.
So so, you know, I hate to admit it, but
even as a hardcore conservative, I read Jake Tapper's book right,
and and well I had the audio books. It was

(56:33):
read to me right. But and it says in the book,
you know, if you choose to believe all of it,
that there were times that they there were certain key
moments that people around him noticed when the decline, when

(56:54):
the full effect of what was happening took place. And
one of them was when Hunter Biden's charges, when his
plea deal fell apart, and you could just see the
sand in the hour glass of his of just him
being there, just drained, drained, And and as a father,

(57:17):
you know, I put myself in the shoes of someone
who lost a young wife in the early seventy He
lost a young son and a young wife in like
sis seventy two when he first got into the Senate,
and then he lost his second son to brain cancer

(57:39):
right in twenty fifteen, twenty fifteen. And god, if I
was president, I would have pardoned him if he was
my son. And I hate to admit that as a conservative,
but as a father, I would have sacrificed another term.

(57:59):
I would even have waited that long.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Well that was that was gonna be my next thing.
Let's let's talk about pardons real quick. So it has
to be a federal offense, right. Uh, the president can't
pardon himself, right, He can't can't do any pardons for impeachment.
That's what. He can't pardon for civil cases. Right, So
if he had a civil civil something, right, pardons can

(58:22):
be granted at any time after the crime is committed,
but not before indictment or trial. So Hunter Biden's trial,
you know, everything came down he.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Was Guiet.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Answers. Yeah, that answer is why he wasn't pardoned day one, right,
So he waited. But these open ended pardons for James
Biden or Fauci, the Fauci for the January sixth committee.
Now what federal crimes? Have any of those committed? Have

(58:58):
any of those been indicted on? Have any of those
has been accused of?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
So the theory is the open ended pardons were for
any and everything under the sun federally during those timeframes.
We do go back to the Nixon pardon and when
Ford pardoned Nixon. If you look at the pardon, he

(59:26):
didn't just pardon him for Watergate. He pardoned him for
everything from January twentieth, nineteen sixty nine, the day he
took office until the day he left office. He pardoned
him for all federal crimes during that timeframe. So the

(59:49):
and I would imagine if there was going to be
a legal challenge to I mean, I get your argument,
and I'm not a lawyer by any means, but but
part of me agrees with the argument. But I still
feel if there would be a legal challenge to that,

(01:00:10):
it would have happened then, right, it would have happened. Well, well, January.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Sixty Yeah, the January sixth committee. That was that at
the federal level, Right, Okay, those guys whatever, James Biden Fauci,
what is prevent what is preventing fifty states from going
after him for civil liability? I don't know. It can't

(01:00:36):
be civilability. I just read it. It does not apply
to civil cases. If they go after him for civil liability.
If every Republican controlled state goes after Fauci for civil
liability for what he did, he can't be paid. That
didn't just not covered under a parton.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I have to speak it to the camera. If there's
a god out there, someone, someone must must bring a
case against Anthony Fauci. That is the biggest mass murder
in US history.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
It's got a bigger bodyccount than the Clintons.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Oh my god, please going back to the age crisis, yeah,
oh goodness, please please.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I think the unfortunate thing is, you know, just like
we have with a lot of a lot of the
crimes in Congress, all of these people are aging out.
Even if we started taking them to court, They'll never
see the inside of a jail cell. You know that.
Nancy Pelosi's what eighty I don't know, one hundred and
eighty eight. Yeah, I mean I think Nancy Pelosi's four

(01:01:45):
hundred and eighty eight. She's been there a long time,
so yeah, yeah, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
We covered a lot of topics. That was a lot
of it was a lot of stuff that was great.
I mean, I told you an hour, it goes by
real quick. It was great, man, Any last things you
want to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
No, man, I was you know, thanks for the opportunity,
Thanks for having me here. I've been wanting to come
on for a bit I know Rob, the unpaid as
has always been talking about this podcast, and uh and
the we're colleagues at work and friends and you know,
I just it has been a huge honor. So thank you, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
I appreciate you coming on, appreciate you coming on. We
I mean, there's there's never never a shortage of topics,
especially with Trump and the presidency. So all right, hang
on a little bit and uh, we'll catch everybody next week.
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