SATN Episode 370 with Dr Kara von Dresner de Rothschild

Dr. Kara von Dresner de Rothschild is a Greek-American psychologist, philanthropist, and Christian film producer. She is the founder of the Gardenroots Activism Movement and the American Republican Sisterhood. In 2024, von Dresner also launched Sweet Baby Jeez Teez - a clothing line developed to spread Christian and Conservative ideals. In 2025 she was crowned Miss Ambassador America [6]and is affiliated with Southern Luxe Entertainment, a film group that produces award-winning Christian films. She is the author of the Best-Selling books 95 Laws of Political Power, Psychology that Wins Campaigns, and How to Win Republican Campaigns in Small Town America. She additionally created and authors the conservative children's books series Well Done, Elliston![7] and Way to Be, Ellalee![8] that tackle adult issues, such as death, patriotism, religion, gender roles, morality, military suicide, kindness, friendship, and healthy boundaries, in a way children can understand and remember. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (01:35):
All right, everyone, welcome to another episode, episode three seventy. Wow,
doing the Nun. Let me check our here we go,
this is it better feels up the space and here
we are on July seventeenth, episode three seventy. I'm so
glad I am joined by hold on, let me take
a breath, doctor, Cara von Dresner, Dave Rothschild. You got

(01:56):
it okay, first time I've said it inside completely, so
I was hoping that I got it right. But Kara,
is that fine?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Kars great? Thank you?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Are you doc or you know whatever?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Kara, I go by it all.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
There we go. Well, thank you so much for joining
us tonight. My co host Toby couldn't be with us tonight.
He is down running his fishing business in Cabo. It's
a hard life. But yeah, so uh you got you
got me tonight, and thank you for coming on with us.
And this is Doing the Nun. We've had people that
are close to you on this show a number of times,

(02:34):
and so we're glad to finally get you on. We've
been working on us for a while. But thank you. Yeah,
and why didn't we start with just kind of letting
our viewers and listeners know a little bit about your
background and kind of who you are and what you
what you do.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Sure, So, my name is Kara. I am a clinical psychologist.
I was in forensics forever. I worked with sex offenders
and mass murderers for a while, where I would never
work with serial killers, ended up working with serial killers.
I was on the faculty of Harvard met and recruited
by the NSA and was probably one of the best

(03:11):
decisions of my life. I went to work at the
NSA and started working with the military. So I grew
up in Norfolk and had a lot of exposure to
the military, to the Navy. There are huge bases there obviously,
but didn't have the honor of actually working with them
till then. So ended up working with the military, and

(03:33):
from there got rolled up into politics trying to get
all of my patients and the guys I was working
with all of the gear and everything they needed, the
funding from Congress, and ended up doing a lot in
the Republican Party.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
So here I am.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Okay, and you are pretty active in Republican Party both
local and the national level.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Or absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
And you are quite an accomplished author.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's very kind.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Besides and and I don't say that lightly. I mean
someone writes a book, okay, maybe to their an author,
but when you write roughly what eight nine books.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
So I started with white paper with empirical literature when
I was in residency. So I started with basically medical journals,
working with things like gender identity disorder and how to
treat sex offenders and if you can treat them, and
you know, one off case studies on mass murders I
worked with. And then when I got to the NSA

(04:34):
and you work with the military, everything's more like a
white paper, especially if you're writing on interrogation or any
kind of sensitive materials like that. They don't they don't
want the enemy to be able to read them, so
it's not something that's widely published. But then when I
started working in politics, I guess that's what happens when

(04:55):
you put an academic in any kind of situation. I
started seeing lots of patterns, yes, and I thought it
was important to the Republican Party to share those patterns
because I could see what was working and what wasn't.
And right now I'm sitting in the twenty eighth district
of Virginia, which is the middle of Virginia and it's
physically massive, but it's God's country. So we've got you know,

(05:18):
vineyards and mountains and farms and chicken farms and you
just went through this with Karen Hamilton. But it's a
gorgeous area and the people who are very friendly and
they're very pro Republican, so you know, they're easy guinea pigs.
I could do lots of research and they answer honestly,

(05:39):
and you know, we had some findings like in this area,
people don't really respond well to negative campaigning. So I
started writing Republican books and then ended up writing this book,
The ninety five Laws of Political Power, and then started
a children's series, really because Our Girl, which is now national,

(06:02):
they were talking about not being able to find books
for their grandkids, and I thought, well, we can fix that,
so we started the Elliston series and the l series,
and those books not only tackle Republican topics, but they
talk about like a child having to process the suicide

(06:24):
of his military father and look at that, you're so good,
and how you deal with or process PTSD. So reframing
it for kids in a way that they can understand it,
so that when their mom or dad who is in
the military comes home from deployment, whether they were in
theater or not, they may have some strange symptoms and

(06:49):
kids don't always understand it.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
So we wrote books to explain it.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Okay, I definitely want to get into that, but let's
start with the ninety five Laws of Political Was that
your first book you wrote? There?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
No book, No, no, no, no, that's one. There is
a very famous book by a dude named Robert Greene
called I Believe the forty eight Laws of Power. And
Bryce Reeves, who is my fiance and the senator of
this area, were in the car listening to it and it.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Was like all evil, like.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
How to basically pulverize the guy next to you? And
it's just when I was listening to them, none of
them would work in Republican politics, and it's certainly not
the way we want to be represented. So I thought,
I'll just write a book with all of the expertise
of all of my friends, and I interviewed lots and
lots of politicians, and there are lots of quotes from

(07:49):
different people in this book, Like we came up with
ninety five laws of not only building but maintaining power
and actually transferring it without losing it and not doing.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
It by mud slinging or backstabbing. And it sounds like right,
right or positive or it did.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
And if you have to backstab, at least at least
get the most out of it.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
My goodness, right, I mean.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Like, at least maximize your backstabbing. And we certainly our
in our party, in the Republican Party, we lose a
lot of funding and a lot of stamina in primaries
where we tear each other apart. And very often in
those primaries there's a clear forerunner and instead of the

(08:35):
other person just backing out so that we can save
that two hundred four hundred six hundred grant for the general,
they stay in.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
So's there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Of tricks and tactics to being careful in primaries so
that we're not destroying each other, we're not just giving
it to the other side.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Well, and you mentioned the constituency in the Orange count
in that area down there, Yeah, that which I love
that area too, have been done or some myself. Yeah,
they don't take kindly regardless of who's on what side
or what what side they support, to just kind of
dirty politics that you see not only in d C,
but really all across the country. You just said, you know,

(09:18):
they they just have Would you call it more ethics
when it comes to politics than probably?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
You know, I think I think there's a there's some
deep seated Christianity down here, and I think people just
God don't like ugly. That's I hear that all the time,
and I don't. I don't think they appreciate the transparency
of months linging. You know, normally when somebody's month slinging,
it's because they're losing. People are people who are winning

(09:45):
don't monthsling.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
We We've seen that repeatedly in nationals right, It's yeah,
they're getting a corner. Dog would do whatever it has
to to get out of the corner, and they will
just start resorting to whatever right to take it out. So,
how has the ninety five Laws political Power been received?
And and you said you interviewed a lot of politicians.

(10:08):
Have you hadians a budding or up and coming politicians
that used it as a guide, that read it as
a and did they get any feedback on this?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
So I just published it maybe a month ago, and yeah,
it hasn't hasn't been out very long. But what I've
gotten our thank you notes, which is very kind. So
I haven't, and I and everybody that buys it, I say,
please let me know if you disagree with something, like
if I need to revisit something or something's missing a

(10:41):
period or a comma like, let me know, give me
your feedback.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
And all I've gotten is positive feedback. That's hard.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, So it's definitely have you as you've seen new
politicians entering the local state races, or you know Virginia,
a wonderful lady who's a lieutenant governor I think running
for governor when some uh, have you have you sent
a copy to her? Have you thought you? Have you

(11:10):
thought about sending you may send some to some up
and coming politicians, think this looks like a good guy
or Gale, let me just send him a copy and
see if that helps him win. Has that been a thought?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I have not sent it to win some.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
I will actually see her next week, and I think
she would prefer reading the kids books. I think she
she is probably trying to escape. I mean, she is
in the thick of a very contentious race, and it's
a very close race, and it's a very important race
for Virginia, very important race for Virginia because we you know,
could wake up and be California a weekend at Abigail.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Svanberger, Yeah, it's I mean, I love term limits. I'm
big supportive at the national level, but I've kind of
hated in Virginua with this term limits that they have
and the fact that you get someone good there and
then boom their back out and penning which way Fairfax
and Loudon County vote, which is usually one way you
know you could you could lose a good candidate really

(12:07):
quick or a good leader at the governor level for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So you must think Glenn is a good governor because
you just said you didn't want to lose him.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I think I think Glenn Youngkin has been a great
yeah joke, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like when he became,
I was like, man, you know, I don't live in Virginia.
I live so sadly in the social state of New York,
but you know, I do follow a lot of Virginia politics.
I work a lot around the DC area, and when
he came in, it's like, maybe they'll change the lass,
maybe they'll let him do it two or three terms

(12:36):
or you know, a few more terms. And just uh,
you know, we wish.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
We wish he is.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
He is lovely and everybody, anybody who's met him loves him.
You may not like his politics, you may be way
for our less did not agree with that, but when
you meet him, he is so so brilliant and charismatic
and he only wants to talk to other people in
the room. He never speaks about himself. He does Glenda's

(13:02):
so many things off the books for other people that
he will never tell you, like you know, sending children
to school in Israel, and he helped build the Bible
Museum and amazing, amazing guy. And I can say equal
things about Winsome. I've spent two weeks with her in
Israel not long ago and really got to know her
very well, and she is an amazing person.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah, he seems I think, what what? And from
my outside view it looks like what attracts people to
him or likes him one like I say, whether you
agree the politics or not, is he's got a great
character and he just yeah, he just used common sense,
which is so rare in politics today, especially on one
side versus the other. He just approaches pragmatically.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Why do you think common sense is so rare. What's
your sense of that?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Well, I think part of it's tied to some of
the pandering and to stuff that people are to try
to reach across, whether they're trying to you know, invoke
and build a base of constituents that represent, you know,
one side or the other. Obviously, I think most on
the left don't have common sense because they are across

(14:15):
trying to you know, pigeonhole people into identity politics and
rather than say it doesn't make sense for boys to
be playing in girls' sports or for boys to be
going to the target bathroom, well they won't say that
because they want those votes, and oh, it's not right.
You can see it's not right every I mean, no

(14:35):
one doubts, you know, the differences physically between male and
female and the competitive edge. I don't see any transgender
females trying to play in boys sports, right, I don't
see any. You know, it's all one way and you
look at that and go, that's common sense.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think they do.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I think there are some transgender females in baseball and
also basketball, but you don't see many of them.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
At then. I haven't noticed. I haven't known of any
at the professional level, at the college.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
At the college level, there are there are a few
of them. It's been very interesting. So I started a
group called the American Republican Sisterhood. And it actually got
started because when I got I actually live in DC
and Virginia Beach. So when I got to the twenty
eighth district, I was meeting all of these women.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Amazing women.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
They've had eight children, they've got graduate degrees, they have
small businesses, they're just amazing, amazing proverbs thirty one women.
And none of them liked each other because it's a
small town and they had had so many primaries. And
when these primaries occur in small towns, it's always somebody's
uncle's dentist's friend versus everybody's tied to one or the other.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
And so there were deep seated issues.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
And we decided once month, we're gonna sit down and
we're gonna have dinner, and we're just gonna get along socially.
We're going to learn to love each other as women.
So we ended up calling that a Yappy Hour, and
it spread across Virginia and now there are Yappy Hours
and I don't know seven or eight states, but we

(16:18):
call it guarden roots activism because everybody is invited, not
just Republicans. And we've had dozens of women who were
Democrats show up at our dinners and just say I
thought I was a Democrat and then they came from
my kid right, like they can't deal with the school stuff.

(16:39):
So the more Democrats we have had joined the Republican Sisterhood,
the further Christian we have spread. It's been very interesting
those and I don't know if it's because Republican women
are just synonymous with Christianity, or these Democrat women are

(17:00):
just so embracing conservatism and Christian values that they want
to express them. So we've had lots of people can
convert to orthodoxy, to Christian orthodoxy, and we actually started
a prayer brigade. So it's it's just been very interesting.
But I don't think had the Democratic Party not started polarizing,

(17:26):
I don't think we would have all those new friends
and new sisters.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Well, it's interesting you mentioned happening in Virginia. Obviously the
after COVID and after COVID the education what was happening
in the schools. A lot of people across the country
nuts what in Virginia right, Loudon County and that area
Fairfax County, right, what was happening in the schools, resting parents,
all that kind of stuff. Do you think that became

(17:52):
such a big issue on even on the national stage. Yeah, people,
I mean I've said on here a few times, if
any good thing came out out of COVID, it caused
parents to realize what their kids were being taught in
school right back to them when they started looking over
what did your teacher just say? Do you think that's
what helped, at least in Virginia and probably other states

(18:13):
you mentioned, but starting there maybe pulling some of them
over and go, hey, you know, yeah, I may be
a Democrat or whatever, but care more about my kids
than anything else. And it were, you know, regardless of
what leader I like.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well, So the interesting thing is that Senator Reeves, who's
back here grilling something. He years ago passed a bill
that gave parents the right to their children's education.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Come over here and say it. What is it? Care
of upbringing an education?

Speaker 3 (18:48):
So it's codified into law that parents in Virginia have
the right to be a part of the kid's education.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Parents have the fundamental right for the care education bringing
their children, and it shall not be in fringe. Did
you hear that?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I did?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Parents?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Okay, parents have the fundamental right to the upbringing and
education of their children and it shall not be in French.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
So that's an actual law on the books in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Let me just say, one, that's awesome you did it.
But two, it's sad it took that because in our
we're probably not far apart in age and our upbringing.
That was just how it was right. Parents weren't. You
didn't have to make it a lot of parents were
involved and teachers looked for it.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
It's been on the books for years.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
So the fact that they're just plain ignoring it now
is just tremendously problematic.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah. Well, we see with the the NEA and you know,
their their grand standing and all that stuff at the
National and they've even said they don't care about writing arithmetic,
they care about fighting Trump, right, that's that's you know,
they can't even spell the word fascist right on their website.
I mean, you know, sad. So sad, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
It is it?

Speaker 1 (19:56):
And I think so back to us, So, uh, the
what these women that came into this group, the y
happy hour and all. So, yeah, they're that they're they
care more about their kids and their kids' education than
maybe what political party they voted for in a pastor
or may vote in the future. Would that be a
safe statement.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Absolutely, And beyond the American Republican sisterhood you saw during COVID,
you saw the rise of moms for Liberty, moms for America, moms,
every kind of group, because mothers were just irate, you know,
they were at home and they finally got to see
they weren't they weren't going to their nine to five jobs.
Like there's there are very few one income households these

(20:39):
these days, Like unless you're tremendously wealthy or you're independently wealthy,
two people need to work. So moms these days don't
have as much access to their children, and a lot
of times their teachers are seeing the kids more than
the moms. Oh yeah, which is tremendously problematic if you
fundamentally disagree with the way a teacher is affecting or

(21:03):
raising your child.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, especially if the teacher is not teaching just curriculum
to educate the child, but opinions and views. Ye, right,
which was you know, used to be the way in
higher ed and college colleges were always known, you know,
all the way back to the Vietnam days and stuff,
but they were always the bastion of of you know,
hippies and liberal thinking and that kind of stuff. But

(21:26):
you know, about the nineties, I would say it's probably
safe to say about the nineties it started creeping down
into the lower age and by now in the two thousands,
it's at the elementary level, and it is just it
is crazy to think that you know, they are talking.
I mean, my own boy, I'm the father of four sons.
My last one is is is you know they're all

(21:46):
out of the house. Were And my last one was
twenty three, And even when he was in even my
one it's thirty, was in high school, he was arguing
and fighting with teachers that were trying to push a
leftist ideology on him, and he got them. I didn't
make him the way. He picked what side he wanted
to be on, and he was just hardhead as they

(22:07):
could be about it. But even then I was in fact,
when my one son, my youngest was in college a
few years ago, when he first his friend, he graduated
high school in twenty twenty, so he graduated in the
middle of the pandemic kicked off. This story is so
interesting because now we look back and we go, yes, duh.
But back then he gets he goes off to college.
He's in his fall semester and he's like, Dad, people

(22:30):
think I'm a Republican, a conservative or whatever. I'm like, why,
he said, because I don't like wearing my mask. I'm like,
what's that got to do. I mean, we're talking this
is what September October of twenty twenty. I'm like, what cool?
He goes, Yeah, because every time I go outside the
dorm or whatever, we don't have to. I take my
mask off right away. S everyone thinks I must be
a Republican. I'm like, I can't believe they're making this about.

(22:52):
I mean, whether you wear or don't, I mean determined
your party. Little did I know that that's pretty much
how it turned out. Right, even then, six months in,
they were already identifying kids he went to college with
who were all very left, all from New York City
in that area, and so we're like, oh, if you
don't like wearing a mask, you Republican. Right at that point,

(23:15):
you know, President Trump was still the president. I mean,
he's the one that he'd fout. You worked for him,
and bricks worked for him and all that stuff. But
that was the mindset of just the outward expression of
not wearing a mask. They already pigeonholed you into what
your party you like.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, it took God, what about forty days to destroy
Pharaoh's entire kingdom, and it took forty years to get
the slave mentality, that's the dog slave mentality out of
the Hebrews.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
And in fact, you know, they were crossing through the
forest and the desert, and literally what had to happen
is one generation had to die out for that slaveman
to die out. And I think we're seeing a lot
of that now and I think we have to reject it.
And I also think this polarizing is another thing we

(24:11):
should be rejecting, because as we've been making calls, especially
for the Trump campaign, when I interact with Democrats and
I interact with more Democrats and Republican women, believe it
or not, they have these ludicrous things Like I was
speaking with in front of a black sorority and they

(24:31):
were all like.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
We're so proud of you for even being here.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
And one of the things I thought was that Republicans
want to deny healthcare at all women all health care. Right,
so if I have a uti, I don't have health care.
If somebody, if your wife has a baby, no health care.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
But they actually believe that.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
They've been told that so often that if I believed
what they have heard about Republicans, I wouldn't be voting
for us the either. But we need to step across
the line and show up as regular human beings, you
know that that love one another and love strangers and
stop to change tires and you know, feed homeless people

(25:13):
and are not demonized.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I mean, this is this has been age old is
time of controlling in their and and putting a sp
I mean spin's been around forever, right.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
So yeah, but this is absurd and yeah, more.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
World War two, Right, the Japanese told all the Japanese
people living across the Pacific that you know, if you
get captured by the Americans, you know they're gonna just
do all these horrible things and they're gonna rape and
murder on. So they were so Japanese Savilians would just
kill themselves if they knew Americans show up they wouldn't
even try, right, because that's all they were told when
I was in Afghanistan. Right, these villagers, these villages, all

(25:50):
they knew was what the mulah told them through the
through the loudspeaker, and even the most horrible things about us.
That the people, they didn't have any other inputs. They
believe whatever they hear. It's interesting people say, how did
all the Germans follow Hitler? How did they allow him
to do all that and not question it and all
that kind of stuff? And now and now today time

(26:10):
I go, oh, let's look at our country and may
and people voted for somebody and just followed along with
whatever he said and believed everything. How much different are
you than the German? Uh? The German citizen in nineteen
thirty nine? None, because you don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
What branch were you in? I was in the army,
the army, Thank you for your service. What was your mos?
What did you do?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I was infantry? I was in Okay, the army. Also
he was a sig Go guy, Toby, who my co
host is also infested.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Huh yeah, you're kicking indoors. Thank you for your service.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
No problem, thank you, But I mean That's that's why
it was in Iraq too, and Iraq same thing that
they were. They they what they said with the Americans,
where people go okay, and they believed it and people
don't even want to look or question anything. And in
today's time in our country, when they do, what are
they branded some kind of Islamophobia, xenophobia or what canceled

(27:06):
all that kind of stuff. You talk about people not
learning their lessons and generations dying off. Well, you know,
the left has been, you know, trying to wipe out
all of our history, even the worst part of our
country's history, right, taking down all the staff. Right, that's
there's a reason why Germany has kept Dacau in Germany,

(27:27):
and even though they are ashamed of it and all
that stuff, there's a reason they kept it. When you
walk through they so no one ever forgets what they
did at one time. Right, and the left on this
side wants to wipe out any mentioned or hint of
slavery or change every name of someone that maybe owned slaves,
even though that was totally acceptable back then, and act
like it never happened. That will cause history to repeat itself.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Absolutely, we're actually fighting in Virginia to try and get
all of the Confederate monuments and put them on the
battlefields where they belong. So they've basically been torn down.
They're in storage somewhere. We get that they're not going
back up in prominent areas, but to be on the
battlefield would be almost living a part of that history.

(28:14):
So we're fighting for that right now.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Wish me luck.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yes, yeah, that's uh, I'm sure if you could, if
you could cut off a couple of counties, Virginia would
be have no problem passing that. But that is so true.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
If we could just give those counties to DC, it'd
be fine.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
In New York. If we could get rid of the
five boroughs, New York would be as red as it comes.
Let me tell you it is. If it's if it's
not the Thruway or New York City.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Well you're so, you're in New York City. The Republican
mayoral candidate actually isn't doing that bad. His numbers look
pretty much higher than I thought.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
They would be.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, I'm actually in Buffalo. But yeah, but also New
York City now has an admitted socialist commune, this anti
Semite that is leading the way for the mayorship. And
look it's the five boroughs. Uh. You know this whole
state votes read but one burrow out the whole state

(29:13):
when it when when they vote at the state level.
And you know, if if if Adams and Como keep
both run as independent, they're there and and and the
Republican doesn't take a big lead, Madami is gonna be
the mayor of New York City because they're just gonna
pull from it. It's a very messy situation. Yeah, I

(29:35):
mean Como didn't get it. I mean he lost against
that dude. It's like, why are you still in Like
you don't have a chance. They you killed so many
old people and so many people hated you as a governor,
Like to a guy that was a failed rapper who's
thirty two years old, has done nothing, and they'd rather
have him when he's calling for a nationwide elimination of

(29:57):
the Jewish people, they'd rather have him. Then you like,
hang it out.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I was surprised. I was surprised he was even in
the race.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
But I'm I hope he splits the vote enough that
the Republican has a chance.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
That's for sure. We're praying for that. But back to you, Sorry,
you could talk all night about all kinds of stuff.
I'm sure. Sorry, that's okay. But the children's books are interesting.
You have quite a few of those. On Elle and Elliston, right,
is that the three?

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yes, so Ellily and Elliston our sister and brother. They're
obviously elephants, and they get into all kinds of situations.
And on every page there's a hidden number and a
letter and then whatever the number is. In the l
E books, there's that many butterflies to find on the page,

(30:50):
and for Elliston, there's that many lizards to find on
the page. And I'm laughing because I'm thinking about me
and all of my girlfriends sitting around table trying to
find these things to make.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Sure that they're there. So they're a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
And in the back of the books there are, of course,
I'm a shrink, there are pages that deal with feelings
and depending on the theme of the book, helping others,
you know, how how to know if somebody.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Else is sad.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
There are two books on PTSD, like I said, and
there's a lot about identifying your feelings and finding positive
ways of dealing with them. So it's it's sneaky. It's
almost like you're you're sneaking in some therapy there. But
we really believe that we need to start well with
the youngest generation and we need to get all of

(31:41):
the empathy and love into them that we can as
early on as we can.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, that's it's interesting. I was just thinking, like, writing
the children's books enough and the art work and all stuff,
but you embedded easter eggs essentially into the yes and
and and what what was the motivation behind that, behind that.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I have to compete with an iPhone that we want
kids to sit and read a book and have fun
with it and remember it, you know when they're grown up,
as opposed to scrolling we there's there's a whole new
book coming out where Elliston finds fun things to do
that don't have screens and he wants a new video game,
and his dad says, hey, look, i'll get you the

(32:26):
video game if you spend a week without screens. And
during the week he does so many fun things that
at the end he doesn't want the video game. He
wants a baseball bat because he has to go to
you know, play with his friends. Right, But that's what
we're competing with with flashing lights and you know, rewarding
sounds and it's just basic behaviorism.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, yeah, and doing what you do. I mean, that's
one thing you understand for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
So you have the one Daddy has Elliston and Ellene
learned Daddy as PTSD. How did you approach that? Yeah,
I guess just how was that written and what was
the goal at So.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I actually treated PTSD for a long time and I
still do. I get calls at two or three in
the morning all the time. And obviously with Bryce being
a senator, we have people who don't have access to
care with the VA or have not had successful care
through the VA. So I still actively treat a lot
of people with PTSD. And in the military. The military,

(33:30):
I don't think PTSD is always a disorder. I think
it's very often an adaptation. So all of those symptoms
here are actually adaptations in theater. So you're not sleeping
so that you can see things coming at you, you're
hyper vigilant so that you know if the bag iye
comes you notice shoot them back. There are every one

(33:52):
of those symptoms keeps you alive when you're in a
war zone. So we kind of looked at it that way.
So we took just very typical situations that would bother
somebody who had PTSD from the military, like fireworks and.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Parking garages and all these things.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
You know, becomes so so difficult, and we just go
through the symptoms. And you know, Ellily and Elliston noticed
that their that their dad is different and that he's
not sleeping through the night, and you know that mom
has to buy a puppy to wake him up, and
they actually go to see a psychologist and the psychologist
explains all the symptoms from a from a very normal

(34:35):
point of view.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
You know that this this is your dad and he's
grown and you and I both know.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
You watch it, you watch an amazing movie, or you
go to a museum, you change. So going to war,
of course you're going to change. We're not We're not
static as human being. So the people who sign up
to be a grunt go kicking a bunch of doors
and get shot at and come back and can't believe
they're not the same person, Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
I don't know what to tell them.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
There's there's no way you sign up for the military
and you don't grow.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah. Uh, I have the luxury of not only being
the son of a Vietnam combat bet, but also the
father of a combat bet. My oldest was a combat medic,
went right after I came back. So wow, I Uh.
One thing that you know, I've and I've been a
retired first hour and I've talked a lot of soldiers
I still do to this day on dealing with issues.

(35:30):
They they continue to come to me too. And and
you know one thing I've you know, I've said to
a lot of families that had young soldiers going and
stuff is like, and I said to my own wife
when when our son went, was like that, when we
went and saw him at Fort Bragg right before he
shipped out, was like, that's we're gonna see. That's our lot.
We're not going to have a little boy anymore. Right.

(35:51):
And I tell people the reason why people come back
changed and usually come back about five to seven years older,
mature or wise, and stuff like that from a one
year combat tours because obviously if they're downrange and they're
actually doing stuff, they're not sitting on a five, but
they're actually you know, seeing some the horrible parts of combat.

(36:11):
Is because they're seeing the horrible parts the things we
shouldn't see it's things that are against our DNA right,
things that right that will aid you and rip your
innocence from you because you're seeing what human kind is
capable or willing to do. You see the great parts
of humankind too, but you see so many.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Horrible guest it's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
It's gonna aid you. You're not going to come back.
Then you're gonna come back skeptical, You're going to come
back doubting, untrusting, all these things. It is realize what
mankind is capable of and willing to do it.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
And we are Americans, and we're still American in theater,
so I'm sure you know this. For a long time,
the Army wasn't allowed to bring dogs around detainees because
they were saying that Muslims were afraid of dogs and
that dogs are symptoms Muslims. But my god, they catch
one of us, they be if it's a boy, like

(37:05):
if it's a male soldier, they're beheading them. And it's
just disgusting stuff that wouldn't even occur to an eighteen
year old American until you get dropped into the sandbox
and and you said, you know, if you're on a fob,
if you're on a forward operating base.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
For people who don't know what that is.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
The people that are back here operating thrones are getting
PTSD because they have there's such an externalized locus of control,
like they they have zero control over what's happening, except
that this thing is going to either film or kill someone.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
It's a it's a very different kind of PTSD, but
it's it's.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
A it's a product of something the military does very
well and some and I've told people is they know
military does a lot of great things, but one thing
it does very well is it teaches us to dehumanize
and dese anthize ourselves to have to take another human
life because it is against our DNA. So they are
good at training us to do that. But at some
point you have to come back and deal with that,

(38:09):
which is usually why we see issues at about sixty
coming back because at some point the adrenaline stops. Which
I tell you is the greatest drug in the world,
and it's made by the human body, is adrenaline. It
is phenomenal to why a lot of people four. But
at some point it stops, and one day you wake
up and realize you're not going to have to go back.
Your thirty day leave is not ending. You're done doing that,

(38:31):
and you've got to face those demons that you had
that the army military trained you to shut off and
file away in a filing cabinet. But at some point,
a smell, a sight of a sound, whatever is going
to bring it. You don't deal with the demons. They
don't go away, They just stay there and get bigger
and bigger. You know, it's it's awesome that you're doing this.

(38:55):
But one question I got kind of a spin it
on something current a personal connect floods in Texas. There
are a lot of people going through issues down there.
Have you had any talks have you thought about anything
with that? I know it's just recently happened, but again, personally,
I just got done talking to someone not too long
ago who survived and was able to get them and
their family out. Who I was like, you have PTS.

(39:20):
I don't like using the D because not everyone Like
you kind of said, it's not a disorder, right.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
It's not a disorder for everyone.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
There are definitely people it's a disorder that can't function
the rest of their life, and that's but they've thrown
the whole four letters around. But you know, I talked
to this person said, look, you've got PTS. It doesn't
just come from combat. It comes from caracks, plane crashes,
barely getting your family out of a catastrophic flood. This
is the deal with So do.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
You remember Hurricane Katrina. During Hurricane Katrina, I went down
to New Orleans and stay there for weeks because I
was able to at that point. And it was it
was very interesting because it was to a shrink. It
was almost like a dinosaur bone like. These were conditions
that we could never emulate in a study, like we

(40:12):
could never just flood.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
A city for the sake of science.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
But there were fascinating things happening, like in the shelters,
one kid would yell up, would wake up screaming, and
all the children around them would wake up screaming the
same thing. It was. It was absolutely fascinating. So in Katrina,
and I haven't gone down to Texas to help we
Bryce's family is there, they live pretty close, but we

(40:40):
haven't been able to go because of work in political
things here that we're trying to get through. But in
those kind of situations, a lot of times the social
work is more important than the PTSD work. Like a
lot of times, getting people clothing a place to sleep.

(41:00):
It is more important than any kind of you know,
stressor nightmares they're having. They're gonna have to deal with
that months later. Right So, right now, I think people
in Texas are just trying to get those Texans situated,
just to make sure they have clothes on their back
and food. They're all still in shock, like even when
you see their interviews. It was very bad. And my

(41:24):
understanding is that the same thing happened in the same
place in nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, there was a flood there then, and there's been
a couple over the hundreds, you know, whatever number of years,
But yeah, it wasn't as bad as this one by
all means, right for whatever, But it was definitely a
big flood in eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
But it's just so sad.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, I mean, it's the same whether it's a tornado
or like say, hurricane, it could be anything. But you
know what got me on that one was the interview
I saw last week of the old rancher. Who I
mean that dude's going to need He just said, you know,
he didn't care about his how his vehicles. He just
heard the kids screaming going down the river and he
just said he'll and I was just I mean, that

(42:05):
just hit me in the gut.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I was like, just like being in theater.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yeah, I mean, having have you know, it's one thing,
you know, and he couldn't help them. There was nothing
he could do. And it's just that hopelessness right of
just of hearing that is going to be something. I
hope that that gentleman uh finds some way to deal
with that. But you could see it in the interview
that you know, he left a big, a big mark
on him and is it what anyone did has a

(42:31):
conscience and empathy. But yeah, I was just thinking about
thinking because obviously you're you know, you're a couple of
your children's books around it, and maybe something for the future,
not that you need more work, but maybe some thoughts
around that kind of stuff, of around pts, around just
maybe non combat stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Maybe natural disasters.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Disasters may be something to think about.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I don't know, I think that's going to be the
next one I write.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
But uh, yeah, so I think the chill books are great.
I like my Daddy's Republican and my mom Republican that
that's funny.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
I have a magnet that says my dog's a Republican, so.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Probably probably is it better Republican than many?

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah? Yes, but uh so you also have the I mean,
actually you said very involved with politics. You have the
other book, how to Win Republican Campaigns a small town?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Did that because it's different than in cities. It's a
different dynamic.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Did that come from your experience there working into politics?
And though?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Absolutely, because I had gone from d C and Virginia
Beach to running campaigns in large areas and in small
town America. It's it's just a very different dynamic. And
like I said, like everybody's interrelated. It's a total ground game.
I don't I don't care how much media you buying

(43:57):
a small town things like yards, signs and showing up
to church or everything.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's it's hand to hand combat.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
It's it's how many people can you actually meet, how
many people can you actually help? It's about asking people
what they think, not telling them what you think.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
The door to door mentality, right, going door to door?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Absolutely, yeah, kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
What is your thoughts on saying? This just made me
think of this? So I've always been a very anti
and I've kind of went back and forth in the
last few years, very anti electoral college. I've always been
very anti times daylight saving time in electoral college. And
I was always anti college because felt that, you know,

(44:44):
there's states like New York, right for example, in California
that no, they don't you know, the DEM doesn't have
to you know, campaign there. They know they have that
one in the bag. Well, if there was no electoral college, right,
they had to fight for every single vote. And I
I've always felt that more Americans would come out and
vote because some of them, again Conservatives I know here

(45:06):
in New York go, why even bother? Why she's gonna win,
He's gonna win whatever, So they don't even bother show
that They're like, I'm not going to stand in that line.
And I've always felt if everyone thought that when they
saw that final tally, that I was that one number
in mind, mate, like they do in the state, local
and every other election, that I think we would have
more of a turnout number one and number two. It

(45:29):
would force candidates to maybe they wouldn't be able to
go door to door across the country, but they wouldn't
focus on seven swing states, they would focus on their country.
I'm just curious what your thoughts are on it from
that kind of perspective, versus popular vote, versus electoral college vote,
who wins, and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
So categorically, what you're talking about is voter apathy, and
categorically Republicans experience or exhibit voter apathy for logical reasons.
You're saying, like my vote is not going to count,
it's true apathy. And with Democrats, they don't show up
when it rains. So with Democrats it has to do

(46:10):
with the weather, and with the Republicans, it has to
do with their thoughts and feelings. And I think we
just need to do I don't think at this point
in time we're going to be able to change the constitution.
You know, that's the way our country was built. So
I think what we have to do is focus on
education and really encouraging people to show up, to show
up with ten of their friends and two Democrats.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
But I don't know if you saw.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I think it's Marjorie Taylor Green that just introduced a
bill to suppress non residents from the census, which would
then very much change the composition of the electoral college,
especially in New York and California and all of these

(46:59):
same stuary states.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Did you see that?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah? Yeah, And I think part of it is because
they were trying to flood. I mean the only way
that you know, the Dems can get more it's primarily them,
that's all weason picking on them can get more seats
in the House is to have a higher power. Right,
it's trafficking, right, And so it goes hand in hand
with the voter I D. Yeah, yeah, it goes, yeah,

(47:25):
hand in hand with the voter ID laws. Right, it's
it's uh, you know to Yeah, that would keep you know,
if we implemented and you actually had voter I D
and that kind of stuff, Yeah, that would keep those
people from voting. But if they still counted them in
the census, there's still going to be more people in
heavy blue areas and uh, and they may not show
up to vote or can't vote, but they're going to
be counted towards getting another rep.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
So do you know during that great migration, at some
point in time, I decided if all of those people
were going to come into our country, that they were
going to vote read and so we went to these
hotels where these women were staying. I call it voter trafficking.
It's almost the exact same thing as sex trafficking. We

(48:06):
went to these hotels. We brought Spanish speaking clergy because
they're Catholics. You know, they're from Bolivia and Colombia and Mexico.
They were from Catholic countries, and a lot of them
were promised the American dream. A lot of them thought
they were coming to a job and a house. Few
of them you could tell, were paid actors, but the

(48:27):
vast majority of them, when you actually explained to them
what had happened, were livid. And they were living in
these dumby hotels, which is much better than the way
some Americans are living, I get it.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
And they would get.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Something in the mail that said, you have a court
date in twenty forty or you have a court date
in twenty thirty five, and they were just frozen. So
we brought them clothes, we brought them toys. We got
to know them and just made sure that if they
actually got busted to the polls, that they would be
voting for Trump.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's uh. They were a lot
of them were sold that by the cartels because that's
how they ourtels generated revenue. Oh you should go to America.
They're going to be a phone and a food and
a job and this, but it's going to be ten
grand to do it right or per person and stuff.
It was so sad, But yeah, I did hear that,
and that Marjorie Taylor Green did implement that. I mean,

(49:18):
probably not going to go far, because maybe it will.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I mean so proud of it though.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah, for the most part, you could count a couple
out of the House or the Senate that aren't uh,
that are rhinoing it up. But for the most part,
I mean they're getting everything else through. The budgets went through,
So it would be good to see that. But also
it would be good just to see term limits in Congress.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
And so that's that's interesting that you say that, why
do you think they should have term limits.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
We absolutely should have term limits need because I mean
the Congress and the elected the Continental Congress and the
elected representatives at started this country, right, they were representatives
of their area. They were bankers, farmers, mostly farmers came
up and it did their civic duty, went back home, right,
So you don't have a forty seven year person like
Biden who came out of college and never did anything

(50:08):
but politics, or strongone else that sit up there and
make it a career. They shouldn't have lifetime healthcare. They
should come up there and do their civic duty, whether
they're going to be a cop, a fireman, whatever it is,
or an elected representative. It's a civic duty you do
some time. You don't make an entire wealth building career

(50:30):
off of it and then never go back home. They
absolutely should have a three term term limit for the Senate,
two terms for the House, and that's where I think
they should be, but I don't see them ever passing that.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Well.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
So I thought something very similar for a long time
until I got more involved with politics, and then I
realized it is just like being a dentist or a
doctor or a lawyer, and that the longer they're in,
hopefully the better they get at writing legislation, at helping constituents.
They build relationships not only in our country but in

(51:07):
other countries that somebody, you know, if they were in
for four years and then had to rotate, it would
just be like your dentist having to rotate.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I mean, do you always want the brand new dentist.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
It's it's just that's why I think they should be
able to do like six to ten. I mean, I
think you should be able to do you know a
little bit of time. So you know, I don't want
them coming in and then thinking, well, I'm only here
for a little bit. I'm not going to rock the
boat or whatever. They need to be there where they
can affect some change, but not think they're they're there forever.
And that's why I think, you know, probably twelve years

(51:41):
max is what I would say. They could be in
there and then get you know, you know, one term
is way too short, but you know, if they got
around twelve years, they could make a change if they
keep getting reelected. But then they got to go well
back because because what the the sad part is, right
is they build thee when they go up there and
they start realizing how to play the game, and they

(52:04):
get disconnected from their constituents and they're up there just
enriching themselves and uh you know they.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Can hopefully the constituents take them out.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
But the problem is again, uh you know, you could
the devil himself could have could have ran for Senate
New York like Hillary did, AND's gonna win because he
had he has a D after his name. I mean,
some areas, it doesn't matter. How does Boxer, how does Pelosi?
All them continue to win every year, even even McConnell.

(52:35):
I mean, they just you get in the right area,
in the right districts, you're gonna get in. You know,
no one's going to challenge you, right, no one's gonna
no one's gonna buck up from your own party if
you have the backings of everyone valor candidates.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
That is why garden roots activism is so important. That's
why it's so important to sit down with people, to
invite them to spend time with us, so they recognize
that we're not the rhetoric that they're getting. They see
the reality of us being regular human beings. And you know,
especially like the abortion issue, they assumed that like we

(53:09):
want to control.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Their bodies or we want to make them die, all
this craziness.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
But really, if we could just spend time with each
other and like each other.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
As people, right, they're seeing what what is You know again,
you control the narrative. Yeah, and the left is been
great controlling the media. And you know that whether it's
social media, or it's I mean, the best thing ever
happened Republicans. Trump was the best thing ever happened for
a number of reasons, and one of those is he
knew how to use social media better than anyone else.

(53:41):
He did it. The Republicans have never embraced social media
knew how to use it until he came about. Now
he sets the standard. But they control the regular media,
and people just nod their head up and down and say, oh, well,
whatever CNN or MSNBC or whatever tells me, or whatever
the TikTok things or whatever Cobert tells me. I've met
so many younger people twenties and thirties that tell me

(54:04):
they get their news from from late night talk shows,
from Colbert and Jimmy Fallon, like their serious.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Like comedy shows.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, comedy. They're like, that's where I get my news from.
And this is like you're like, you're joking, right, you
just pull my Like no, no, that's I don't have
time not watching news. It's depressing, blah blah blah. I
watch that and I get what I need from there,
and I'm like, oh my god, that's what's all those.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
They need to start watching gut Field then, because he's funny, funny.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Guys I love I watch. I'm trying to catch every
episode and record, but I don't. He's the reasonable, He's
number one. But you know, it's uh, you know the media.
You get the media, you get I mean, it's it's
how we talked about her, how the Nazis have done it,
how every other controlling dictator has done it. You control
the narrative, you control the messaging outlets, you control the people,

(54:51):
and you know absolutely this last election, finally you started
to see people go, wait a minute, it just you know,
that's not how I mean. They just knew. And honestly,
after you know, two terms of Obama not coming through,
especially for the black community, you saw the Hispanic community

(55:12):
saw it. And then everyone saw Biden. Everyone knew that
Biden was not control of himself or the country. They
finally were like, Okay, the maybe these conservative friends and
family and stuff I have weren't wrong. I mean right,
I mean, the joke is now I can't be a
conspiracy theorist anymore because every conspiracy has come true.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
It's real, it's real. You know you say that, but
I live in d C.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Right next to where Kamala's victory party was supposed to be,
and they everybody was afraid that if Trump won, there
were going to be all of these massive riots, and
of course there weren't because all of those kids voted
for Trump, like the young black men got a clue.
They took the blinders off, and so you know, the

(56:03):
older white Democrats didn't have anybody to riot. They weren't
going to go in and do it. They weren't like
get their nails messed up or get arrested or anything
like that. And so DC was totally peaceful.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, it's interesting. One thing, since you're so in tuned
with politics, this interviews went crazy more different. I thought
was going to but I'm sorry. Oh it's great. I
love it. It is one thing I've talked about as
I've sat back and looked at this was I felt
the America, the politicians and DC and just the overall,
especially the Democratic Party. Yeah, they didn't see the first

(56:39):
warning in two thousand and eight when Obama won. They
didn't see it again in twelve when he got re elected.
They missed it when Hillary got the nomination, and that
being that the American electorate was sick. And tired of
the established politicians always being up there. Right, Obama was

(56:59):
touted as this, you know, city or community organizer. Yeah,
he was in the Senate, young articulate, young black guy
from Chicago, all that stuff because he wasn't from DC
and he had not been in long enough. And the
American people won, Let's get this guy right, remembers hope
and change. They were he politics and campaigned, don't you
hey different, hope and change, Let's see how it works out.

(57:22):
And then he got re elected. And then they came
in and they were going for Bernie and it was
all about identity politics even then in sixteen, but they
were going for the oldest, whitest dude there was because
he was not. Hillary was considered as established as you
can get, right. She was establishment, And even though Bernie
had been there, he was this kind of kooky, old

(57:44):
independent sort of dude from Virginia or from Vermont, and
the American the electorate was saying, I mean, had the
DNC not stepped in and sabotaged him, he would have
been the candidate in twenty sixties.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Show him.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
And that was the first time that I know of
it in any recent history that it went to d C,
the last state to have a primary to determine who
was going to be the candidate. It went all the
way to the like it wasn't known for sure she
was going to get it, even though they were cooking
the books for until DC, which was the life if
I remember, it was the last one to vote for that.

(58:20):
But you know that was then the American lecturates saying
someone else right, They didn't see it. And Trump was
in it from public inside, and he won not because
everyone loved Trump at the time or his TV shows.
It was because he wasn't Hillary, right, absolutely, And then
COVID happened all that kind of stuff, and Bernie almost

(58:44):
got in again, almost again got in and got sabotaged again,
and then you know, all that stuff happened eighty one
million votes because I still call BS on it I
did back then. But Trump gets back in because he
is seen as not a regular politician. I don't know
how many more times the Democratic Party needs to recognize

(59:06):
that they don't want your standard, run of the mill politicians.
Why McCain didn't have it, Why Romney didn't have a chance,
because Obama was looked at someone that was outside of
that norm. The American people have been telling politicians that
since two thousand and eight.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Right, these all of these depend on the Purple people.
You know, we're so divided and so almost equally divided
that really all of all of these elections are decided
in the fringes, are decided by the Purple people. And
Trump is enough of a not politician that people were
willing to put his faith in them. Who do you

(59:43):
think our next candidate's going to be? Who do you
think is coming after Trump? Do you think it's Vance
or do you think it's Rubio.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I think it'll be Vance. You I think Rubyo and him.
I think Ruby would be a great VP. I mean
it would be like you know, like I knew once
Biden stepped out out, I knew it was gonna have
to be Kamala because how could you say she's not Quale,
especially when they're wrapping audur Danny politics, How could you
say the VP is not qualified to be the president? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
We could have a whole whole another three hour discussion
on Kamala like in that fiasco.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
That was the absurdity of that. But even though Obama
was like, I can't I can't endorser.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
I mean, you know, yeah, well I'll give you my
real quick, my my two cents on what happened there.
I think, and this is just ration. He didn't endorse
her when he wrote his letter, when he finally when
he actually hand signed something, he did not endorse her.
And I think it was because, you know, he just
he didn't want her. But then in that few hours

(01:00:44):
between him and his family, he also knew what they
were going to do. They were going to try to
put another candidate up. He knew no one wanted her,
the reason why she was the first one out of
the race, and no one liked her, no one respected her.
So he came out a couple hours later in my
camera again hopefully can still so my computed a little
quick little blip here. He came out a few hours

(01:01:05):
later and said I endorsed her. He handcuffed the DNC.
They had no choice because again, how could they say
the black female VP was not qualified to be president.
They wanted to bring up whether it was Newsom or
someone else in but he was like, oh, you guys
are kicking me out, You're screwing me over and telling
me I got a drop I'm hand I'm tying his

(01:01:25):
ball and chain called Kamala around your neck, and you've
got no Baker. I am convinced that's what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I don't think their best candidates, like Newsome, were willing
to get slaughtered by Trump. And it was very clear
that whoever went against Trump was going to get slaughtered
by Trump because of the American people, you know, because
of how we were laying and that we were just
fed up with everything that had gone on with COVID.
I mean, it was so clearly Trump was going to win,

(01:01:53):
and he did across the board. You know, he got
both the electoral and the popular It was nobody could
nobody could think about denying at this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Time, right, right? And uh and a majority in both houses,
right and uh yeah, because you don't want to lose
to him and think you're gonna have a chance to
get in four years. Whoever went up for him was
was was sacrificial lamb right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
And they sacrificed her. She's gone. You hear nothing from
her or about her anymore or something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I don't know what what did you say? Right? There's
talks that she made she's interested in looking at that,
which I mean that's kind of like going from the
CEO to a director in the company, like you're kind
of taking a demotion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
But I don't even if she took the demotion, I
don't think California is gonna buy it. I don't think
California buy it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
But Newsome is obviously going to make a run because
what he's spending all this time in South Carolina, right,
Like he's spending all of these times in these battleground states.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
He's following the Hillary model of changing his accent and
voice to whatever area s Yeah Carolina, yes, real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
He's it's what we call mirroring in shrink words. He's mirroring.
He's definitely been doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
What what do you think about advance President Trump VP ticket?

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
No what Donald or someone else? Baron? It could be Barren.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Uh, Like he says he's gonna he's still going to
be in office.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I mean, I honestly I didn't want him to run
this time because I thought they'd be tacking him NonStop.
I I wanted him to be the king maker, which
he still is a king maker, but I will Yeah, So,
I mean he's more powerful that way. I mean, the
guy had alread accomplished everything in the world. He could
have did the one time and been out. He came back.
I think for what he said, right, he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yeah, he didn't need any of this abuse. He could
take his billions but with a b and go home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Right right. But he's see him stay. I think he
will prop up the next thing. He knows he's getting older.
I mean he's just yeah, he wants enjoy life. He's
on the golf course with the grandkids and everything. No,
I think I think it could advance. I think Rubio
has really surprised a lot of people. I think he
would be a great uh VP. Maybe they'll bring in

(01:04:08):
another Trump, uh one of the other boys or something
like that. I don't know. But you know, he's the
way the everything is turned around right now and all stuff.
It's it's the country, he says, as hot as it
is was like it was prior to COVID hitting. I
mean the everyth prices are down, the market is up,
it's breaking, the budgets passed. I mean we got surpluses

(01:04:30):
coming out in June.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I mean, yep, he did everything he said he would do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Yeah, Yeah, but no, I think vance if if he
wants it, and uh, and I think he is. I
mean his story is phenomenal, from rags to riches. I
mean he's got this beautiful family. I mean checking, he
checks all the narratives, he checks all the right blocks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Yes, were you at the r n C? Did you
get to go? I went to the okay, But did
you go to the convention before that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
No? No, no, I was at the inauguration and uh
and did that was? I went to both of his
so that was yeah, I was that was a fun time,
But no, it wasn't at the RNC.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I thought the star of that inauguration was Vance's mother.
She was, you know, all of these stunningly gorgeous women,
and she is a very normal woman who had overcome
all of that for her son to go to you know,
to become the vice president of the US, I mean,
from struggling with crack addiction to she was just the

(01:05:40):
star so much, so much of female America was rooting
for that woman and could identify with that woman. I
really think she was the star of that show. And
she showed up in an outfit that you could get
from Macy's or Dillard's when everybody else up there was
wearing catoure and cloth and and you know, right off

(01:06:00):
of vogue, and she showed up as herself, as her
true self, and I thought she was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Yeah, And I think because of the movie and the
book and everything, I say, everyone has gotten to know
her story and his story, the true rags of riches.
And I mean he's still there, you know, as much
as the life she gave him, or lack thereof. He
has her right there celebrating in the moment and being
part of it and and all that. Yeah, I think
I think that was that was phenomenal for sure. And

(01:06:29):
uh yeah, it's uh. I mean she got some highlight
at the actual inauguration itself. I'm trying to remember she
came into the arena. I don't remember seeing her at
the arena, but it would be nice to kind of
tout her a little bit more. But I'm sure she
just wanted her privacy and was just there for her son.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Yes, probably probably with the grandkids.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. But no, man, this has
been great, Kara.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I'm so glad we got to meet.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah. Yeah, I knew there was a better half to Bryce.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
He's making he's making faces.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
I know I always got to bust bust the chops
or whoever's off camera. But no, it's been great. I mean,
I hope people check out. I know Rob's putting up
the links on the on the books and on the
Amazon links and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Thanks Rob.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
The children's books are great. I've got a couple of
little grand kids. I think I need to look through
grab a couple of those for them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
You'll like them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yeah, there's there's the kids Republican creed in one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Because we didn't have that, so now we do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Okay, all right, you create that. Yes, awesome, Well of
course we needed one. Yes. Well, hey, thank you. So
is there anything before I let you go, anything that
we haven't talked about any cause that is near and
dear to your heart. They just want to let our
viewers' listeners know any topic that we didn't cover that
you want to make sure you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
I just want to thank you for everything you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Like, like you said, the media is so one sided,
and it's so important for guys like you, with the
experience that you've had and the knowledge that you had
to spend your time doing these types of interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Well, thank you, thank you for since two thousand and seven.
It's been a long road. But yeah, and I get
down to DC quite a bit. I know Bryce and
I call me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Call me when you're in DC.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Please, Yeah, Iowa, and I know the Orange County area
well and uh and definitely I will the link link
up and reach out to you guys. Hopefully you guys
are in town. I'd love to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
See you and that'd be fantastic awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
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