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August 28, 2025 79 mins
Craig Johnson aka “Brother Craig the Hatchet Man” is the popular on-air personality of conservative talk radio program “The REALLY, Real, Deal with Brother Craig the Hatchet Man” and features the people and the things that make America great. The program airs on on 1140AM / 96.1FM WRVA Richmond, VA, 6am – 7am Sundays, and Fox 580AM, WLVA, Lynchburg, VA, 11am Saturdays. Radio program archives are available at www.thefirstamendmentinc.com.
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Speaker 1 (01:35):
All right, everyone, welcome to another episode of Stewing the Nun,
episode three seventy five, here on August twenty. First, I
don't know how this summer has gone by so quick,
but we are lucky to have a little bit of
time tonight from mister Craig Johnson, or better yet, Reverend
Craig Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Brother Craig, Brother, Craig the hatchet.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Man, Brother Craig the hatchet Man. We're gonna get into that,
but Craig, thank you so much, thank for joining us,
and any thank.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
You, thank you for having me. Man, it's my pleasure. Wow.
Three hundred and seventy five programs, you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Are rolling's that's just this one. This is about the
fourth or fifth rendition of a show that Toby None
and I have done. Toby's not here tonight, but my
co host, but of course you met Rob. But yeah,
we've been doing this since about two thousand and seven,
different shows. Some we had sponsored and that kind of stuff.
This one Toby and I just do on our own

(02:28):
because we just like bringing stories to light and highlighting
you know.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Great, that's great, Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I'm normally on
the other side of the interview. I'm normally the interview were. Yeah,
I started in radio in two thousand and nine, a
couple of years after you. Guys.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, that's that is. You have to let me know
how I'm doing tonight. So you know, we're kind of
bushley here.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, Toby, you're doing fine. You're doing fine.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Toby and I are a couple ex retired senior non
commissioned officers out of the army and we just kind
of do this, figured this out on the side.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
And okay, yeah, but thank you for your service.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh, thank you, and uh and we're looking forward to
talking to you. And I know you have met and
talked and hung out with a number of bets yourself,
and yes, and I've seen that. But hey, so again
Brother Craig Johnson or Reverend Craig Johnson and hatchet man.
So we'll just get right into it, kind of give
our listeners a little bit. I'm kind of going a
little bit about your background, the name, but I'm curious,

(03:28):
uh for obviously, reverend, so you're an ordained minister, you
preach it.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well that kind of happened. I wasn't trying to become
an ordained minister, but I figured that. Okay. The first
time I was asked if I wanted to go into ministry,
I was a teenager, and quite naturally I said no. Okay.
So fast forward, I'm doing radio and doing speaking engagements,
and you know, we start out mostly politics, with a

(03:57):
little bit of I won't say a little bit, but
the politics outweighed the Christianity, although the two are they're
just two sides of the same coin, really okay. But
as the years went on, it got to be more
and more like a sermon, and so people just started

(04:17):
calling me Pastor Craig, even though I you know, I
was not a pastor. I'm still not a pastor. And
you know, I go out and I speak, and you know,
my wife would be with me, and you know, they
called me pastor, and I'm always trying to explain, oh no,
I'm not a pastor, I'm not a rebon I'm just
a little old guy on the radio. And my wife
would be giving me an elbow and she said under

(04:39):
her breath, and so she has been kind of helping
nudge me in this direction. And you know, when COVID hit,
I started doing sermons because churches closed down, and so
I was saying things that I never heard any other

(04:59):
preacher say. So I ask a preacher who I have
a lot of respect for his biblical knowledge. I send
him some of my sermons. I ask him to please
critique me and make sure that I'm not taking the
Bible lot of context or I'm not reading things in
and he he was just blown away. And he asked

(05:21):
me if I wanted to He asked me first if
I was ordained. I said no, But you know, people
always assume that I am, and I keep having to
explained to them that I'm not. So he asked me
if I wanted to be ordained and so and I thought, okay,
last time I said no, I better not say no again.
This might be God speaking to me through this gentleman here.

(05:44):
And so I think, what about three years ago I
got ordained? But so I you know, I enjoy I'm
still doing the same thing I've been doing. It's just
that sometimes now I get Reverend And although I kind
of prefer Brother Craig because I've been Brother Craig for

(06:06):
twenty years and now and you know, and now it's
like Reverend Craig and I don't know, it's as long
as I can share God's word and show people how
the Bible is talking about real life and it's not
just theology, it's real life. And so this is what

(06:30):
I do. I take things that are happening in the
news that if we all see it and we hear
about every single day, and I find examples of that
in the Bible, and I illuminate you know what, Thus
saith the Lord in regards to this particular issue.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
That's my specialty, right right, So, I mean it's interesting, right,
I was going to ask you kind of answered one
of you kind of have this journalist, you know, like
political commentator, reverend or you know that kind of thing
you know from from the school of the Gospel.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
And don't forget I'm a carpenter.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I mean you're kind of bringing it all together.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
So now do you.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Do carpentry full time?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Is that like a main part of Well, my wife
and I we buy houses and then I renovate them
and then we sell them. Okay, but prior to doing this,
I had been a carpenter and a small contractor for
forty two years now. So there's there's nothing on a
house I can't fix.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
So you've got all these different aspects. But you know,
Folcus on the first three and you've answered how you
got into the ministry side of it, But I mean
which one came besides the carpenter. You say after the carverter?
Was it the political commentary and feeling like you had?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, it was political commentary. Strangely enough, when I got
into radio, our current lieutenant governor wins some seers. I
was working with her volunteering. She was running for Congress
against Bobby Scott, and I took her to a radio
station and she was interviewed there and I asked. She

(08:08):
didn't have any money. So I asked the guy, well,
you know, how can she get some ads on your station?
And you know the amount of money he wanted. She
did not have the money. So I look up at
his roof and I said, man, I bet that roof
is leaking? Is he? How do you know? Well, that's
what I do. I fixed roofs I said, how about
you give her some free advertising and I will fix

(08:31):
your roof, okay, And we struck that deal. So she
got some ads on his radio station. I came back
later and fixed his roof. After the election was over.
He was so shocked he said, Man, usually guys say
stuff like that, you never see them again. And so
he asked me to participate in a political roundtable at

(08:52):
the station, and I did that for about a month,
and then he asked me if I wanted to have
my own radio program. And that was in two thousand
and nine, So okay, you know, And I picked the
name Brother Craig, the really real deal with Brother Craig
the hatchet Man, because one of my high school football
coaches gave me the name hatchet Man when I was fifteen.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Well, you answered one of me. I there's another question
I had spun.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Up, was where the man. I'm not gonna let you
ask me any questions, am I.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
This is how I know you're used to being on
this side of the microphone, because you already know what's
going to be asked. Uh yeah, because I'm obviously you
don't hear hatchetman, you know, with a reverend or someone
or someone.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Right, it's usually a negative. And so and when I'm
talking and I always say your friendly neighborhood, hatchet man,
Brother Craig, come in at your live. I always put
in there friendly because people think hatchet man, they think
something bad.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, you guys coming to fire everybody or take everyone out.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Of Yeah, it's just the sword of truth, the hatchet
of truth. And the hatchet is sharp on both sides.
So you know, I'll chop up democrats. It's our chop
up Republicans, our chop up atheists, our any we all
we're all sinners, and we all fall short of the
glory of God. And so you if any person in leadership,

(10:14):
and you if you notice how Jesus critique hard critique
for people in leadership. You know, the woman caught an adultery,
he said, go and sin no more, okay. But the
leadership of the Pharisees, he said, ye are of your father,
the devil, okay. And so he had really much much

(10:38):
harder words for people in leadership. And the Bible does
say be careful when you seek leadership, because you will
be judged by a higher standard. And so I saved
my ammunition for people in leadership, you know, preachers that
don't preach the gospel with integrity, politicians that don't lead

(11:02):
with integrity, you know, and most of us have some
area of our life where we are in leadership, even
if it's only as a mother or father, you are
the leader of your.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Family, right, even if it's an informal leadership position assigned
directly or something, but right by your sphere of influence.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
And right right, and see, we zero in on the presidents,
the governors, the you know, the preachers, the pope. We
zero in on people in obvious leadership. But we all
even if you're just a Christian, other people are looking
at you to see if you are truly a Christian
or if you are you know, if you're faking it.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right right, Well, you know, hypocrisy is you know, a
measure by everyone's looked at, right, which is why leaders
why it says they're held to a higher standard, and
why we see that done throughout not only a lot
of sabine organizations, but definitely in the military, yes, you know,
the and law enforcement others. But you know it's it's
kind of inherit through all organizations that it should be. Yeah,

(12:12):
a leader is held to a higher standard. You know,
a leaders up earlier, they go to bed later, they
have everything done, you know, they are they have to
have all their stuff together because if they're going to
enforce standards or or regulate or whatever it may be,
they can't be at fault of those either, you know. Yeah,
they mistakes may happen, but they can't sit there the

(12:33):
whole do as I say, not as I do, Right.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
But what do we see in the world before us?
We see the preachers. They are like Book of John
chapter ten, the hireing. Okay, the true son stood between
the sheep and the danger represented by the wolf. And
because the sheep belonged to his father. Okay, now the

(12:59):
other guy he said, well, I'm not gonna stand in
front of that wolf. These sheep don't belong to me.
And this is a story quoted directly from the lips
of Jesus the Christ. He said, I am just a
hired And so we see in leadership there's danger when

(13:19):
you speak the truth in a world that's not based
on truth. Then, I mean, look at Trump. He you know,
like him or not like him. The man speaks a
bold truth and he doesn't care whose feelings he hurts.
And so he's been impeached twice, he's been indicted thirty
four times. They tried to give him seven hundred years

(13:41):
in prison. They shot him in the head. They tried
to shoot him a second time at the golf course,
they tried to keep him off of ballots. All of
these things. There are examples in the Bible of every
last one of them, to include assassination attempts, okay, to
include all the wickedness in the law, all of it.

(14:03):
But most people they don't sign up with that. They
want the purpose and the privileges of being seen as
a leader, but they don't want to truly stand between
the people and the wolf, okay, because they're in it
for other reasons. They're not in it to serve the gospel,

(14:23):
to preach the gospel, or to save the republic. They're
in it for nefarious reasons.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
They're not in it selflessly to bring exactly right. They're
in it for selfish and an agenda or whatever. It's
like what we see with these politicians who you know,
I'm a big proponent of term limits, and it's like,
go do your time, do civil service and public service.
It may be locally, maybe at the national level, do
whatever number of terms that that you know, two or

(14:52):
three or whatever, and then come back and be constituent
again yourself. You wouldn't represent your people, But it's not
a forty to fifty year career right where you get
time medical coverage, and you make yourself a millionaire while
you're representing a district or a state maybe, And.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
It's so obvious nowadays. It's in seeing this creates pessimism
in the public. When you know, people see their preacher
laying you know, two men okay, or he's got a
he's got a woman on the side, or whatever the
case may be, and you see the same thing you

(15:28):
see the politician. They get rich. Okay, they go in,
they go in worth one hundred thousand, and in ten
years they're worth one hundred million. Okay. It's like, okay,
I don't get those stock tips. You know, how is
your stock portfolio doing one hundred times better than everyone
else's stock portfolio?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
They say, you follow what Nancy does, You're going to
be a mading. That's the secret. He's got the best
one going. But yeah, it's funny you mentioned that, right,
because you know I've this is something I've said to
people many times in both military circles, my church and
other circles, is that humility. Being a leader of men

(16:10):
myself for twenty two years plus but just twenty two
in the military, you know, humility is the greatest overlooked
characteristic of a leader and greatest or most common right.
And I tell people I would ask people like, who's
the greatest leader you can think of ever in our
in our history and our globe, right, And some people
would him and hall different you know, political leaders and military,

(16:30):
and like, what.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Would you say?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Jesus is probably one of the I mean, a person
who led so many people and has made such an impact.
And if people don't name him, they'll say, yeah, I
get you know, he probably was the greatest. I'm like, yeah,
do you have you have you ever seen.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
The Son of God? I think what you mean though,
is mortal a mortal man? No?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
But I mean as a he was a part man,
part God, right, but right, rice, and he led you.
But he was also humble, washed the feet of his disciples, yes, right,
laid down. And I'm like, if the greatest leader of
all time can be so humble as to wash the
feet of his own disciples and give up the bread
and this and stuff, then and is willing to do that,

(17:13):
that is the life. That's that's an example by which
all other leaders are kind should follow.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right and gave his life. Yeah, yeah, no, man than
this that he laid down his life for his friends.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Right right, exactly as the book says. And as a leader,
whether your job or your military or in your community,
right you're if you have subordinate leaders underneath you, your job
is for to get them to take your job like
your job is make them and help raise them up,
not use them as stepping stones to keep refrect because

(17:49):
then you're fulfilling your own world leaders yours to bring
them to that and hopefully your leader, whoever that is,
is looking at you it that way and what can
they do to make you better? I tell people, if
you go into any kind of leadership, anytime you're in
charge of one person or a hundred, and you look
at things that way, you're gonna have people follow you

(18:09):
to the gates of helen back. Loyalty will be the
greatest trait that you possess. Because you're humble and you
have humility, and you're not self serving but yourself less.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
They see it and give you the other side. Let
me give you the other side of that coin. Because
Ecclesiastes chapter three says there's a time to everything. There's
two very long lists. Okay, right time, yeah, love, a
time to hate, a time of war, a time of peace,
a time to kill, a time to heal, a time

(18:40):
to everything under the sun. And so that great leader
knows when to do what. And so the humility is there.
But the boldness also, and so the UH and the
Bible talks about this. It says the or the righteous

(19:01):
are as bold as a lion, okay. And so now
that boldness, if a person could think, oh wow, well
he's not humble, okay, and so that is a is
a knock against Trump. Oh he's not humble, he's a braggart, okay,
but he's both. The Bible says the righteous are as

(19:24):
bold as a lion, okay. And so but I think
that people that have that boldness they also have humility.
It's just that the really great ones they know when
to show what, okay. And so a lot of times
you catch a person in their private moments, and in

(19:45):
their private moments, that's when you see the humility, the kindness.
You know, when there's no camera there to record it,
because they're not trying to show off. But then when
the cameras are there, you know, it's like you know,
the chest is out and you know, I'm ready to
go and and fight and put and put my life

(20:07):
on the line.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
And so Bible talks about that when he talks about
the when it talks about the Pharisees, when it talks
about prideful boasting, right, it talks Jesus talks about don't
be out there praying and showing your praying.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
You pray in private, pray.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
You know, right, it's that same way, right if you
if you're getting looking for camera time, if you're looking
to pander, to put it in more of like common
or current political things. That's people will see that. Yeah,
to look good and better to those that are in
your echo chamber. But for those that necessarily aren't, even
those that are, they're looking at it realized this guy

(20:41):
or gal only showed up and did this, because then
you know.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
With some people there the nature of what they do,
they're in the spotlight. For example, a governor, a president,
a CEO of a company. Then an athlete, okay, you
know every Sunday the right there on the football field,
and so some people that the nature of what they

(21:07):
do requires this. And this is why one of the
most powerful chapters in the Bible is eccles Astes chapter three,
because that prevents us from judging people with the wrong scripture, Okay,
because it's maybe it's the time for this one, but
you know last week when you saw them, it was

(21:29):
the time for that one, right and so, and to
put it in so we cut people a little slack
because our enemies want to catch us at our very
worst moment and repeat that over and over and over
again as though that's your entire life.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Right, and put it in the current context.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Right. I'll give you two examples.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I'm from Buffalo, I live in Buffalo, Right, love my Bills,
and we love our Josh Allen, right, great quarterback, and
yeah he's in the spotlight on the sidelines and in
the game. But at the same time, he goes to
the children's hospital with other players during the week Noe sees.
And the only way you know about it is because
families take pictures and gives his time and sees kids
and that kind of stuff and goes out of his way. Right,

(22:13):
that's one exactly another exacle.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Privately, to the degree that it's hard to be private
when you're such a public but he's trying to be private,
and like you said, family out of appreciation. Family makes
it known but you know, and it's it's really hard
when you're none of us knows what it's like to

(22:35):
walk in the shoes of someone that's like one of
the most famous people, you know. I tell people all
the time when they try to quote someone's sins to me,
and I will tell them, well, what if you had
reporters following you around for your entire life? Would your
would your sin be known? Because don't tell me you
don't have it, because the Bible says we all have it.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
That's going to happen with that when you go to
those gates and that book get that book of life
gets opened up. Hello, there's gonna be paparazzi.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Like, oh, that's a good point, man. So in other words,
the paparazzi out there, they're called the recording angels. It's
justin hadn't been opened yet. And the one you want
to hate on his is being told while he's alive,
you know. But we all are going to have to
face that music one day. That's a good point. I'm

(23:27):
gonna remember.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
That they got the best eight k sixty frame per
second cameras, microphone and everything you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Nothing, no deed, nothing escapes.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yes, you know, same on President Trump.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Luckily, I've been fortunate enough. I've enough a lot of
people in my circles that are either have been in
the last administration or in the current or even in
some cases knew him and were in his circles prior
to him ever even thinking about running. And what I
do know personally from those since he both administrations, is
that you know, yes, he is out there, and he
is bold, and he is brash, and he is doing

(24:04):
that because it has to be done. But I also
know there are many times he makes private phone calls
to families that he talks to privately that no cameras around,
and you only hear about it through direct contact and
personal you know, two or three right, And unlike someone
that you know gets the camera to follow him to

(24:24):
an ice cream shop or to something you know wants
that camera photo moment to be there, you know, he
can't go anywhere without a camera following.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
There's no I.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Mean, exactly today he was downtown and DC and seeing
the troops walking with the cops and all that stuff.
And I guess I just heard right before that he
brought him hamburgers and all kinds of foods, sat down
and ate with them.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
And when I understand there's no.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Cameras were there for that. He just sat down with
the National Guard soldiers and police and federal agents and
broke bread with him and just to.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Talk to him.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
And everyone I know it's been in his circle have
been like he's the most down earth person and the
image he gives on TV he has to do because
that's what's demanded of him.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
He's the way he is.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
But he's a strong man, much more humble. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I've heard he's an excellent listener that he listens,
he listens actively and he asks questions. Yeah, and you
know a lot of people in leadership don't do that.
They think they have answers and that they're supposed to

(25:30):
do more talking and so in one on one meetings.
Now I've not yet had the privilege of meeting the President.
I pray that I do one day. But as a
matter of fact, on the day that I was ordained,
you know, there's a daily Bible reading, like three hundred
and sixty five day Bible, a section every day, and

(25:55):
this section on the day I was ordained, it was
from Second Samuel I think it was chapter nine. I
think it was chapter nine, verse twenty seven. It says,
and the Man of God told the king, stand still,

(26:15):
that I may show you the word of God. And
so and this was Samuel talking to Saul. And so
he didn't say stand still that I may wild you
with my eloquence, okay, or that I stand still that
I may show you how brilliant I am. No, that
stand still that I may show you the word of God, okay.

(26:39):
And so that's basically I would love to one day
have a biblical conversation with President Trump. He is all
through the Bible, and the things that they're doing to him,
they're all through the Bible, and I wonder sometimes has
anyone told him these things? Okay? I wonder it'd be

(27:04):
nice if he would be aware of it. But I
don't know that he's.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Aware, right right, Yeah, I mean he he definitely has
a lot of faith leaders.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Around him and have been around him.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
But yeah, I know what they were shared, but again
probably shared in private, and we just don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
But yeah, we don't know, don't And a lot of
preachers don't even know these things because a lot of
preachers don't do what I do, which is take events
in real life and I go and I find these
things in the Bible. And I learned to do this
from the master of doing it, which is a Messianic

(27:40):
Rabbi Jonathan Kahan. I interviewed him. I guess it's been
about eight years ago the first time I interviewed him
on the radio. He had just written a book called
The Paradigm. And in the Paradigm he spoke about leaders
in America and how they were a paradigm is like
a pattern, and that they were matching the pattern in

(28:04):
the Old Testament, and specifically they're probably thirty I'm just
gonna give you a few, but there were I think
he had like thirty Southern instances. And what impressed me
was how precise they were. And my wife set the
interview up and for originally for thirty minutes, and the

(28:25):
book came and I started reading the book and I'm like,
I was just so blown away. So I asked her
please contact his publicist and ask if he would give
us an hour because there was so much in there,
stuff that I had never heard or read before. And
he was so kind he gave me two hours. Was

(28:45):
that at the time I was doing two hours a
day on radio. He gave me a full two hours.
And it was Bill and Hillary Clinton. Where King Ahab
and Queen Jezebel. Okay, Donald Trump was King Jehu Barack
Obama was King Joe Ran, Mike Pence was Johannadad. Vince

(29:10):
Foster was Naboth. You know. Naboth was murdered because Ahab
coveted his real estate and JB and Jezebel had him murdered, okay.
And what was white Whitewater was basically the Clinton's coveting

(29:32):
real estate along the Whitewater River in Arkansas. They set
up this scam of a deal. And Vince Foster his
name literally means keeper of the forest, that's literally. And
he was the guy who kept the Whitewater records and
when he when he was killed, they say it was suicide,

(29:54):
but when he was killed, there was a break in
in his office and the record to Whitewater were missing, yep. Okay.
And so the name nave Off literally means keeper of
the vineyard. I mean. And it's like I'm reading this
stuff and there's like thirty something odd correlations of just right,

(30:19):
I mean, And I was it was not just how
many they were, but how precise they were. Because in
my imagination, I was a little pessimistic, and I admit
and I was wrong, and I can I can admit
what I'm wrong. But I was saying to myself, Yeah, right,
this guy's gonna take the Bible and he's gonna stretch

(30:40):
it and he's gonna make it fit what he wants
to say. This is the pessimistic me saying this prejudiciously
before I had cracked the book open. Okay, and people
do that all the time. You know, I'm a human being.
I used to do it, okay, but that taught me, okay,

(31:00):
don't do that. And so I was like, Wow, the
guy he did not stretch it, he did not massage it,
he did not make it up. It was powerful. And
since then I have learned how to go into the
buy and it's not difficult to do. I mean, we
all have computers. We can do word search. It's not

(31:21):
like fifty years ago you'd have to really be a
Bible scholar. Today you have these shortcuts. You can take.
It's called word search on the internet, okay, and you
can put in a key word search. The only problem
is that because Google is so wicked that you have
to be persistent because Google will not like to give

(31:42):
you what you want. Google would like to give you
what they would like you to have, right, And so
you have to be really, really persistent and not accept
the first thing that Google kicks out to okay, because
the first thing they give you is usually not going
to be the right thing. Right.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that, you know, cracking that
book open and reading yourself. I think that's where the
good term don't judge a book by its cover comes from.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Right, Yes, yes, and that's exactly what I did. I'm
ashamed to say, but you know, God gave me people.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Do all the time you see somebody, you know, you
want to see someone with a red hat, or see
someone with a pickup truck, or see someone whatever tattoos,
and they just judge them by that, just like you
see someone with the blue hair, nose ring or whatever.
You think, oh, they're this kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
But but we're usually right with the nose ring and
the blue hair could be.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
But you know, until you sit down and talk and
crack that book open, you know, then you see what
that person is, right and and not just uh not
just look at them and categorize and and uh and
put them in a a in an identity that you
think they are by what you see and because you know,
like say, people maybe they had that nose ring done

(33:02):
and stuff done when they were young and in the
twenties and thought they were rebelling against their parents. But
then they started using access and they realized that you know.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
In that case, they would have the whole, but the
ring would be gone. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, so let me ask you. You've covered other things,
Like you say, you're preached in the pulpit, but.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
You do talk a lot of politics. I think you
kind of said probably more politics at first.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
There's a lot of controversy in the country about and
in just the Christian faith about mixing politics and.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Have you have you got a lot of backlash of that.
You hear a lot of from some people, but a
lot of most, like my audience, they like it, okay.
And so the backlash comes from the preachers that are
John ten and ten okay, Book of John chapter ten,
the hireling, because they don't they don't want to deal

(33:57):
with truth. Now, the Great Commission Jesus said to take
the Gospel everywhere. Now, so I asked these preachers. I
asked them, Okay, what part of everywhere do you not comprehend? Okay,
everywhere means you take it into politics, You take it
in you take Christian faith into your marriage, into your

(34:18):
child rearing. Would you want to do business with a
guy that cannot take Christian faith and Christian integrity into
his business relationships? Would you want to work for such
a guy? Okay? And so we have to take it everywhere.
And so once we start saying we're gonna take it
almost everywhere, we can't take our Bible into politics. There's

(34:40):
a separation there. Now that's the slippery slope, because that's
the same preacher that would say, oh, you know, Sam
and Johnny came to me and want to get married,
and you know I can't deny them, okay. And so
now he can't take the Bible into marriage, okay. And

(35:01):
now then little Johnny he wants to become john Etta
and he wants to have his private parts cut off,
put on a wig and some lipstick. Now the preacher
he can't deny him that, okay. And so once you
start down that road of there's a place you cannot
take the Bible, okay, and I don't care which place

(35:24):
that is you can start with. But I can't take
it into politics. I can't take it into marriage. I
can't take it into dealing with children. Did you know
that there is a legislator in Virginia a man who
wears a dress and wants to be called by a
woman by a woman's name. He's somewhere up in northern Virginia.

(35:45):
He tried to pass a law that if your child,
or your grandchild, or the child of someone in your
congregation they want to change their gender, and if I,
as the father, the grandfather, the minister, if I advise

(36:06):
them not to do that, they would want to make
that a felony, which is the way they do it
in California. Now, fortunately we had enough Republicans around that
the law got shot down. Okay, Now, if Abigail Spamberger
wins and the Democrats maintain control of the House of
Delegates and the Senate, they will have all three will

(36:29):
be there will be not enough Republicans to stop it.
And so then if someone comes to me, I have
to be the true son. I have to stand between
the flock and the wolf and potentially be sent to
prison for ten years. Okay, just like the praying grandmothers.
One of them was actually a great grandmother, all right.

(36:52):
They were engaged in silent prayer, silent prayer at an
aborder side facility, and they both got convicted and sent
to prison, okay, and Trump pardoned them. So this is important.
And so for the preachers that tell me, and I
do hear it a lot and from individuals, and it's

(37:13):
basically that the truth. They don't want to hear that
one plus one equals too. They can't deny that one
plus one equals too, but they won't to force me
to not say it because in their imagination, one plus
one equals.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Eleven, right right, Yeah, I mean I just wouldn't sure
if because some people would say, I guess I'm just
curious on your take on this. Right, Some people say,
are you primarily a preacher and spread of the word
to bring men and women to Christ or are you
trying to educate and teach people about politics?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
And if it were the.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
First versus the latter the former, then do you have
the is there a possibility of talking about politics?

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (37:55):
You know, people hear that and they shut down and
they're not listening for what God's talking to.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Well, some will, and you know, there's nothing perfect, But there,
I think there are enough preachers doing the same doing
things the same way that was done ever since I
was a little boy that I've observed. You know, in
my home church where I was baptized fifty years ago,

(38:22):
I can't come there. I never get an invitation to
speak there. Okay, they don't want to hear it, all right,
But I get invitations to speak in a lot of
other places I've seen.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
So is the message sticking? You preach a lot, you
don't preach a lot, so I'm sorry. You talk a
lot about the First Amendment with that means you really
seem to be a Scotar.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
You know, I'm founder and president of the First Amendment.
In people don't really understand it. And the first freedom
is faith, okay. And so there are even pocket constitutions.
I've seen them. As a matter of fact, I have
one I wish I had. I could hold it up
and show you. But there are pocket constitutions that say

(39:03):
the five freedoms of the First Amendment. Most people think
there's five. I've heard Glenn Beck on the radio say
the five freedoms. I've heard Tom Cotton, the Senator. I've
heard him say the five freedoms of the First Amendment.
A couple of other senators I've heard. Well, this is
the whole reason why I started the First amendmenty because

(39:25):
I'm hearing these people and I try to email them
and I never get a reply. And it was like,
my goodness. And I was in a town hall called
God Guns in the Constitution, and it's like maybe six
or seven of us on the panel, and one of
them was the president of Gun Ones of America. Another

(39:47):
one was a guy who in Virginia. He was He's
been a prosecutor, he's been a lawmaker, he's been a
law professor, he's been a criminal defense attorney. So this
is a gentleman who he's written law, he's taught law,

(40:11):
he's defended against the law, and he's prosecuted law. He's
done law four different ways, every way do it. But
he did not know that the First Amendment has six clauses.
And he said the fire and he said it twice,
the five freedoms, And then I was trying to get
the microphone and the moderator wouldn't give it to me

(40:34):
the second time, he said, I took the microphone. But
the first amendment, that the clause that they omit is
the most important one. Okay. It's actually three sets of two.
You have two things you can think or believe, two
ways you can speak about what you think or believe,

(40:57):
and then two things you can do about all right,
and so and if you read it carefully, the punctuation
even because you have the first two, which is the
the establishment clause, and then the free exercise clause. Okay,
and so Congress shall not establish a religions, meaning we

(41:19):
don't want to be like England. We don't want to
have you can't have the Church of England. You can't
have the Church of the United States, okay, or the
Church of America. Then there's a comma, all right, And
then it's this nor prohibit the free exercise thereof then
there's not a comma. There's a semicole. So these two

(41:41):
are what you can believe or think that, these are
internal to you. Right. So then the next two are
nor prohibit the freedom of speech nor of the press. Now,
then there's a comma freedom of speech, comma freedom of
the press, semicol so freedom of speech, that's individuals speaking.

(42:08):
Freedom of the press, that's what you and I are
doing now, that's you know, we we're broadcasting, or if
we had a newspaper, or back in their days they
had pamphlets, they would print pamphlets and post them. Okay
and uh. And so then the last two are and
this one people really really get it misunderstood. Okay. And

(42:33):
so they think that you have the right simply to protest,
like you can show up with some signs in the
in the courthouse steps. And that's true, you can do that,
but that's not where it stops. You can do anything
that is not illegal, okay. And so, and you can
associate within that's the freedom of association. And so, to

(42:57):
give you an example, when the Obama scam healthcare was
health bill was passed, it violated the First Amendment right
of free association because you no longer had the right
to associate with the doctor of your choice. Okay. And
so I can choose any auto mechanic I want, in
a attorney I want. Why can't I choose any doctor

(43:19):
I want? Okay? And so then the last one, and
a lot of people don't like this one either, okay,
to seek redress. That means lobbying a lobbyist, and people
love to hate lobbyists, but lobbying is protected by the
First Amendment to the United States Constitution. To see, you

(43:41):
can seek redress after the fact, or you can preemptively
seek redress. And so rather than complain about someone in
their lobbyists, how are your own lobbyists, It's be like
you complaining the guy has a pit bull in a
you know, go get your own pit bull, right yep.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Now, it's interesting how you break that down in the
six and and it sounds like you probably have educated
a lot of people on that.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Try man, But you know, people are stubborn and people
are stuck, and they teach it this way in law school.
And the one that gets when you get from six
to five, the one they remove is the free exercise clause.
And they act like the first two. That's the establishment clause,

(44:28):
and they give that the color of the negative. The
establishment clauses the negative side. The free exercise clause is
the positive side. That's the one they subtract out. And
they teach this in law school.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Don't you find it frustrating? Probably probably more so than
that where people will, especially on one side versus the other.
We'll sit there and yell about freedom of speech to
be able to say whatever they want, right, But if
you talk about something that's not in what they like
or or they were doing, right, then they try to
stretch it. Right, there's a joke, right. The people with

(45:03):
those co exist stickers in their car are the least
likely people to want to coexist.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Exactly because they won't coexist with you and I.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Because in that co exist sticker of religious symbols is
to star David Lacrosse and most people have that sticker.
Do not like either one of those and everything else
but that, And you know, so people will will. They
love to say, hey, freedom of speech. I can say
whatever I want whenever I want. So when you start,
maybe peacefully protesting on your side saying who you support,

(45:34):
then they get all mad and they.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Want to shut it down, and you want to, oh yeah,
remove it. In my personal family, man, they'll bring up
I try not to bring up politics because I know.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I bet your Thanksgiving they're good.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to stand alone and so, but
when they bring it up, I can shut it down
real easy, and I can do it politely with fact,
with with history, with math, with the buy and I
like doing it, and you know God has blessed me
with an ability to do it. And on their yeah,

(46:08):
on their side, they just have insults. They they have
no ability to debate you or I. They just have
insult and in the window. And you saw what they
tried to do with Trump to keep him off the ballot.
If he was so horrible, let him get on the
ballot and beat it. If his ideas are so bad,
then beat him with your superior ideas. They don't have.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
It, right, Yeah, that's it's their known right when you
just say, you know, people on the left, you see
enough of these men on the street interviews where they
just have emotion. When you when when someone goes and says,
why do you say Trump is a racist or why
do you say this? Well, because well give me an example,
he just is and he's like hitler, tell me the fact.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
They don't have the facts.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yeah, yeah, because they don't have the facts and they're
ignorant to those. And I don't mean to use the
word negatively, but they just they don't know them. Then
all they have is emotion because someone is told them
to be that way or they found it politically cool
or socially cool or acceptable to be that way in
the crowd, right, they have nothing to support it, you know, right, exactly, complete,

(47:16):
complete sheeple. So let me ask you, so when you
you obviously you said you earlier that you know people
that you talked to in your ministry and where you
guest speak and stuff really like your message. Have you
found times to be to reach the other side? Are
you able to talk to them? Are do you find
it as well? People you can't sit down with them

(47:38):
and talk facts with someone that maybe doesn't see things.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
There's a lot of people. Look, Jesus, Jesus couldn't reach everyone, right, Okay,
as a matter of fact, Chapter six, verse sixty six
of the Book of John. Okay, when Jesus will speaking
about how you have to eat, he was speaking metaphorically,

(48:06):
have to eat his flesh. But you know, the broken
bread when we do communion, the broken bread represents his flesh. Okay.
And so but because the people did not understand that,
and it says and the many of them walked with
him no more. Yeah, sixty six six, Okay, many of them?

(48:30):
Book of John, Chapter six, verse sixty six, and that
that entire passage from verse sixty to sixty six is powerful. Okay,
is powerful. And so if Jesus the Christ did not
reach everyone, there's no way that little old brother Craig

(48:53):
can reach everyone. So I don't sweat, I don't swear.
My job is to preach the word. My job is
not to make people listen.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
But have you have you been able to get some
people to pause and think and be like, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
There are many people that do pause and think and
and and they thank me when they see me. It's like, yeah,
many people. Yeah, have you seen you.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Know, I remember in the first Trump administration and previous administrations,
Bush and stuff, you know, in May, I think I
think it's the first Friday or if I remember, but
don't quote me, Like, you know, the National Day of
Prayer and that kind of stuff, and then that kind
of disappeared a little bit in the Oba administration, definitely
disappeared in the Biden administration, and it's come back strong again.
But I mean that's just an example.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
But have you seen the National Day of Prayer?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, the National Day of Prayer? But have you seen
the change of just between the administrations, Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
It's huge. And see it's always been there, but with
Trump it's bigger than ever. Okay. And so like give
you an example of the March for Life. I was
in Washington when Trump spoke to us in the March
for Life. He's the only president to ever speak directly
to us, Okay. Other presidents have articulated that they support

(50:11):
life in the world. Okay, but then when we in
the rallies have been being held ever since Roe v.
Wade back in nineteen seventy three, all right, and so
I think maybe the following year, seventy four, but he's
seventy three or seventy four, been having the March for
Life every year, okay. And so every Republican president gives

(50:35):
us verbal support. They might send a letter, or might
send a video, or might send an emissary to speak
on their behalf. But only Donald John Trump showed up
and spoke to us in person. Only him, Okay. And
I'm supposed to listen to these preachers that tell me

(50:58):
what a bad guy he is, because he'll cuss every
now and then. I wish he wouldn't, But I mean,
so what, you know, you'd rather have a guy with
perfect grammar diction and uh and even keel delivery, who's
a snake behind the scenes? Or you rather have the
guy we've been And you probably heard this your whole life,

(51:20):
because I know I've heard it my entire life. People
would say, Wow, why are all these politicians made out
of plastic speaking out of both sides of his mouth?
When are we gonna have a president that speaks like
a real person? Okay? And now that guy shows up,

(51:42):
and what do they want? They want to go back
to the Yeah, oh, we didn't mean, we didn't mean
to be that real mister president. I mean, pick your poison.
You know, I'd rather have the honest, unvarnished guy. I mean,
and look at his press conferences as it talk about
out transparent. Okay, Obama and Biden did not give press

(52:06):
conferences like that, you know, nowhere near. I wonder if
someone has calculated the number of minutes or hours actually
speaking to the press, you know, by each president. I mean,
I would guarantee you Trump's numbers would be double what

(52:26):
they these would be triple or quadruple Biden, but they'd
be way probably double Obama.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Okay, the did you go to the inauguration? Either one
of it were either one.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
No, I was not. Unfortunately, I was trying to go
and I thought I had tickets and somehow, you know,
at the last minute the tickets they didn't come through. Yeah. No,
I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I can tell you personally, haven't been both of them,
and both of George W's inaugurations. The excitement, uh, the electrician.
Everything about the second one was off the charts compared
to the first.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You know, the first it was.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
All about red hats on that day, but the next
day it was the pink vagina.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Hats everywhere, the torch cars and everything. This one had
on a pink vagina head. Yeah, this one.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Three or four days after the inauguration, all the downtown
was still that way. People are high fiving each other.
You'd see someone in in a in a coffee shop,
Hey were you there this that It was just I mean,
excitement and happen happens. People stayed around. People weren't ashamed,
they weren't like worried about their their safety because they
kept had a Trump shirt on or anything like that.

(53:39):
I mean, you know, it was the the merch kept
was still selling on the street corners in DC and.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
The malls and everywhere. You know it was something.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Let me ask you about something on your site. Uh,
the real the really real deal dot com people need
to check out know robs and putting it up there.
You have the seven seas for success. Can you explain
just a little bit about what that is?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
And so that would be Christian faith, conservative values, constitutional limits,
capitalistic opportunity, Uh, choice in all things, and these are

(54:20):
just these are foundational things to a successful society. They're
they're just they're just foundational, and they're they're the opposite
of what you get with with tearing. Okay. And the
Democrats they don't want you to have choice in all things.

(54:40):
They talk about choice when it comes to the choice
to commit a border side against an inconvenient baby. That's
the only thing that's wrong. The baby is in convenient. Okay.
So all they had to do was abstain from sex
the male and the female. It takes two to tango.

(55:02):
So I'm not picking on women. Okay. A lot of
men are in favor of a border side because they
want to have sex outside of marriage and then and
not wear a condom, and then when there's a pregnancy,
they want to just toss to the lady five or
six hundred dollars and be done with it with no
conscience at all. And so these men, you know, and

(55:25):
they claim they're supporting women, what they're really supporting is
their ability to have illicit sex, to have sex with
a woman with whom they would not like to procreate. Okay.
And so, but we believe in choice. You know, I
want to the choice of where I send my children
to school. They don't believe in that. They want to

(55:47):
send your child to the school that the school board says,
even though the school board members children quite often do
not go to those very same schools. Choice of doctor,
you should go down the list, okay. And so all
of these is capitalistic opportunity, capitalism, the greatest thing ever.

(56:10):
And these people they point at income disparity. Well, when
everyone was poor, there was no income disparity. And so
someone has to have the capacity to sign the front
of the paycheck in order for all the other people
to sign the back of the paycheck. I've been signing
the front of the paycheck for forty two years, okay.

(56:33):
And so now we don't have a big you know,
we don't have a big, huge business. But on a
typical year with all the different tradesmen that we hire, plumbers, electrician, getcter,
we tend we'll send out thirty nine Okay, we signed
the front of the paycheck. That's capitalist, okay. And so

(56:58):
you know people will complain. You know, this guy has
a yacht, that guy has a rowboat. Ronald Reagan had
a great phrase, Okay, he said, a rising tide lifts
up everybody's boat, right, everybody. That's capitalism, right. And we
let these people get away with demonizing capitalism. We let

(57:23):
them get away with demonizing Christianity. They all the Christians
had the crusades. Yeah, it took them four hundred years
of Muslim murder in conquest before they had the first
crusade four hundred and fifty years okay, And so they
you know, and so Christian faith is held to this

(57:45):
high standard. So you know, I was just looking for
different things that just happened that they all started with. See, okay,
I got you.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah it h and you mentioned school says, you mentioned
that secondal school choice.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
You kind of helped me segue right into some near
and dear to you know, come out. I'm the school
choice advocate. I'm on the board of directors of the
Virginia Christian Alliance and I'm the school choice advocate there.
So we've been champions of school choice, you know, really
ever since the inception of the Virginia Christian Alliance, which
is about fifteen or sixteen years now.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
And you have when you have Louden County, Fairfact County
and all the press coverage and everything that everyone saw
in the national media of them attacking parents and the
things happening in schools.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Oh yes, putting the FBI on parents.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Okay, is that still a me I mean, we see
some of that in the national news circuit. Is that
still a major contentious issue in the.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
It is? It is? And see, this is the issue
that won the governorship for government Younkin and Ynkin and
Winsome Seers and Jason Millaris. I was one of those parents.
I was invited to come out to speak at some
of these school boards, and so I would give speeches
to the school board at the school board meetings, and

(59:08):
they and people like me, we were branded as domestic terrorists, okay,
for simply you know, coming forward to defend children and
to defend children against all this hyper sexuality. I mean,
even take away all of the tranny reading our the

(59:29):
big six foot dude in a dress with a purple
wig on, and he has a fairy a magic wand
with fairy dust and all of this, and a speaks
in a soft voice, and he's reading a book to
your five year old grandchild. You don't want that, and

(59:50):
I don't want that, right, okay, And so and it's
lowering the child's defenses against this sort of thing. I mean,
when I was kid, I mean, you know, if someone
like that came around me when I was you know
my I mean, and I can remember an instance when
one of these guys did. I was too young to
even know what was happening, but I never forget how

(01:00:13):
my mother reacted, and she chased the guy away, Okay.
And so nowadays people there they have this fear of
chasing them away for fear that someone is gonna say, well,
you're a homophobe, okay. And that's like saying you are racist,
or you're a bigot, or you are Islamaphold. I mean,

(01:00:36):
it's all of this stuff is nonsense, Okay. There are
there are biblical standards of right and wrong laid out
in the in the Word of God, and civil law
comes after God's law, and civil law when it's good,
it mimics God's law. Now, there should not be a

(01:00:58):
civil law that that put those preying grandmothers in prison.
This should but people voted for people that created that law.
People voted them in. They're not dictators. They didn't just
write the law against the will of the people. The
people voted them in and then they passed this law.

(01:01:20):
And so you know, silent prayer. I mean, my goodness,
when the Democrats protest something, they spray graffiti, they handcuffed
themselves to the door of the building, they make a
human chain across the highway. I mean, they set things
on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
They've been singing a lot and dropping f bombs. That
seems to be their newest tactical bad singing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
But even that, that's a nuisance. But that's not like
you are physically you're physically stopping traffic. Okay, there could
be an ambulance in in that traffic jam and someone died. Okay,
they set things on fire. There was four hundred riots

(01:02:05):
during the George Floyd incident. Four hundred riots. And so
when Christians and Conservatives protests, we are engaging in silent prayer,
not prayer with a megaphone like a Muslim okay, silent prayer,
silent okay. And because of silent, they don't know what

(01:02:27):
they were saying. They don't even know that it was
a prayer because it was silent. And yet they sent
people to prison. Okay. And so there is a distinct
difference between how we protest and how they protest, and
we cannot pretend that this difference does not exist. We

(01:02:50):
protest within the bounds of law and they do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Not, right, right, Yeah, I mean it's not an even
playing field. But most confrontations, battles are not right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
It's right, right, and we want our leaders to call
them out, okay. And so and if we don't call
them out, why are they in leadership? Right? Yeah? I
mean look at Texas. Texas has a chance to gain
ten new seats and they're only going for five, right yeah.

(01:03:24):
I mean in New England, there's all the New England states,
there's thirty seven to forty two percent Republican, depending on
the state. Okay, so say an average of forty percent,
so sixty percent Democrats forty percent Republicans. In New England.

(01:03:45):
There's not one single Republican congress person in all the
New England states. Not one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
They have mastered jerrymandering, yes, right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Not one. And then here we're gonna go and take
a half measure this ten on the table, and we're
gonna take five of them off. This is why we're
losing the country. Yeah, leaders a week. Ye, they're afraid
they're gonna be called names. But guess what, mister, Uh, look,
I have a bunch of funny names I call these people.

(01:04:19):
Low fat Republican is one of them. Okay, zero grams integrity,
zero grams intelligence, zero grams usefulness, low fat Republican. Okay,
I'll remember that one. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. And uh,
and our contrast that with a steaking onions Republican Okay,
you and I we would be steaking onion Republicans, okay,

(01:04:42):
and not a celery and tofu Republican. Okay. So but yeah,
we need people in leadership. Uh. And they and they
hate Trump. Trump has this in spades. And I mean,
I advise anyone. Right now, we have three beallweather Republican
Democrat races across the country, Virginia, New Jersey, and New

(01:05:06):
York City. And you know, I'm I am literally advising
all three of them to go with Gusto. Okay, to
go with Gusto okay. And I mean I've not reached
anyone in the New Jersey camp yet. I'm trying, okay,

(01:05:28):
but I'm speaking with people in Virginia and in New
York to go boldly and ignore all this nonsense that
these these professional people will tell you that you have
to shy away from Trump. You have to, you know,
be cautious. You can't upset anyone. Give you one case

(01:05:53):
that I advised Dave Bratt, who you remember, Dave Brat
beat Eric Canter. I gave him a nickname on on
my radio program, Eric the Great. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Dave Bratt was not even trying to win. He was
a professor that was engaged in an intellectual exercise. He
had no clue he could win. I talked to Dave
and I told him, I said, Dave, you can actually
win this thing, man, This is winnable because Eric his
wins are weak. Okay, and so uh. And the radio

(01:06:30):
station I was on at the time had a large
black listenership, and I encouraged them. And you know, in
Virginia we have open primaries, and they did not like
Eric Canner, and I encouraged him. Man, y'all, you guys,
come on over and uh and vote for Dave Bratt
in the primary. You can you can always go back

(01:06:52):
in the general election, but come on and let's let's
let's get rid of Eric. Okay, and uh, And Dave
had he didn't have a lot of money. As a
matter of fact, Eric Canner spent more money on food
for his campaign than Dave Bratt had for his entire campaign.
And Dave had one TV commercial. It was an elderly

(01:07:13):
lady who had a long list of things to say
about Eric Canter, all of which was true. And Dave
came on in the last five seconds. And you know
what they always say, I'm Dave Bratt and I'll approved
this message. Okay, that nonsense got started with Bush. You know,
I'm George Bush and I approved this message. I saw

(01:07:35):
the ad on TV. I high tail it over to
Dave's office and I said, Dave, you gotta take that
ad down and you have to say exactly what you had.
That little lady said. Okay, everyone knows who Dave is.
I mean, everyone knows who Eric Canner is. No one

(01:07:56):
knows who you are. You have to give people time
to take the measure of you. And you have a
sixty second ad, and you gave your your voice and
your face the last five seconds, and you have an
elderly lady with fifty five seconds. You have to, you know,

(01:08:18):
be man enough to say these things about Eric Canter yourself.
Dave went and he reshot that ad that day. The
next day the new ad was up with Dave saying
these things himself. You don't see that often in political.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Ads, right right, people are worried about cancel. They're worried about, you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Know, worried about all kinds of things that they shouldn't
worry about. Politics is warfare without bullets. Okay, are you
a warrior? Are you you know, trying to be cute? Okay,
you gotta make your mind up. And so I would
just advise the candidates to do the same, and Dave
listened to me then. But look then, when Spamberger came

(01:09:06):
against them, he would not take my advice. Okay, oh no,
brother Creig, we can't do that because all these suburban women.
If I do that, these suburban women, they're gonna come
out of the woodwork. And I said, Dave, they're coming anyway. Yeah, okay,
there's nothing you cannot do that's gonna cause them to

(01:09:26):
not come out. Okay, you have to run your race, okay,
and so but anyway, fear.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Either on the balls of your feet or your heels,
one of the two.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Right, Hello spoken lack of military me yeh, I mean
that's just it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
But hey, brother Craig, we've had you on for over
I told you an hour go by quick and yes, yes,
over now. And we covered a lot of topics. I
got a lot of my good questions in especially you
know some of your background and that kind of stuff.
Is there anything you'd like to leave our listeners and
viewers with that we did not cover that you want
to make they know about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Some Bible Okay. For the Christians who are students of
the Bible, I would ask them to look at when
you see all the law fair that's going on against
President Trump. Okay, I'm gonna run through a few of
them really really quick, because you know your time is
valuable too. Luke twenty twenty. Okay, Trump's campaign started with

(01:10:27):
him complaining about they were spying on my campaign, and
the media laughed at him. You remember that, ye booker Luke,
chapter twenty, verse twenty. And they watched him and sent
forth spies pretending to be righteous men, that they might
take hold of his words in order to turn him

(01:10:50):
over to the power of the authorities. That's precisely what happened, Okay.
They planted spies inside the campaign. His impeachments. Both impeachments
were literally over words. Okay. The first impeachment was over
a phone call with Ukraine words. Okay, there's twenty people

(01:11:12):
on the phone call with the president. Okay. Anytime the
president is talking to someone, there's twenty people on the
phone with it, okay. And so they make all this
stuff up. But anyway, that's one book of Daniel. Chapter six.
It pleased King Dorias to place one hundred and twenty
princes over the kingdom and over these three presidents. And

(01:11:36):
of those three, Daniel was preferred above the rest, Okay,
because there was an excellent spirit in him. Apply that
to today three presidents, okay, Obama, Biden, Trump, all the leaders,

(01:12:03):
and then the three presidents and the people preferred Trump
over the others, and so verse four, and it says,
and then the others got together and they said, we
must find an occasion against this Daniel, But we can
find no such occasion against him inasmuch as he does

(01:12:26):
his job and there is no fault or error found
in him. And so again applied that. And people can
like Trump or not like him. But he has a catchphrase,
Promises made, promises kept. I've never seen anything. I've been
paying attention since Ronald Reagan. Reagan was great, but I've

(01:12:46):
never seen a president keep as many promises as Trump
has kept.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Okay, when one doesn't go like him saying I'll end
the war in Ukraine, like when the first twenty four
hours or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Yeah, he's still working on it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
He's speaking with hyperbole. But when it goes through, they don't.
It doesn't matter, like, oh look he didn't get it finished. Yeah,
but he finished sixth words in six months that no
one even knew about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
And he has eleven, yeah, eleven piece deals, okay, seven
this year alone in four piece deals in his first term,
the Abraham Accords. And he's been nominated for the Nobel
Prize ten times so far. And you know, Jimmy Carter
won it for brokering one piece deal. Obama won the

(01:13:35):
Peace prize for brokering zero piece deals. Trump has broken
eleven piece deals. He may end up with fifteen because
there's four more on the table, not just Russia Ukraine,
but there's three others that are on the table that
he's working on. So you're talking about a potential fifteen
piece deals. Okay. But anyway, so they say in the Bible,

(01:13:59):
let's see, we cannot find any occasion against this guy.
Same thing. They can't, I mean, they can't do anything
with it. And so but what ended up happening was
they manipulated the king, passed the law and got the
death penalty executed against Daniel, putting him in the lions

(01:14:20):
dead and the lions did not eat him. And look
at Trump. They tried to take Trump out by impeachment,
by indictment, by financial ruin, by assassination attempt twice. Nothing works.
So now what to do? And this is the key.
You do the biblical thing. A lot of Christians are

(01:14:42):
advising the president, mister president, don't engage in tit for tag,
don't you know, don't try to indict, don't The Bible
does not say that. Okay. The Bible says in the
Book of Daniel in the Book of Esther, in the
case of Hayman and Mordecai, in the Book of Second Samuel,
in the case of Absalom, and David in the Book

(01:15:05):
of First Kings, in the case of Ada Niga in Solomon. Okay,
in each case, the person that tried to kill the
man that God had in place, that person ended up
getting killed. And while I'm not saying we're gonna shoot anybody,
I'm just saying that they should get what they try

(01:15:26):
to put against the man of God. They should be
in this Biblical that they should be indicted, they should
go to prison in exactly what they wish for the
man that God put on the throne that is supposed
to happen to them. And you see this throughout the
Bible over and over and over again. And I just

(01:15:47):
asked people to when you hear a preacher say that,
ask the preacher show me that in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Right, yeah, yeah, Now, hey, this is like I say,
this is great, man. These connections and correlations to the
Trump administration were not something I expected that was very
very educational, and like say, I mean just just grace stuff.
I encourage people to check out the really real deal
dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
I appreciate it, man. Yeah, the web. We've been having
a lot of website warfare, and so we have to
revamp the website and looking at getting a new podcast
started up really really soon. And so right now a
lot of the content on the website is old content.
I've not posted anything new lately because there's been I

(01:16:39):
don't know what you call it. I call it warfare, Okay, technical,
whether it's purposeful, whether it's accidental. You know. I don't
want to get in all that, but I really appreciate
the opportunity to share some things with you and your audience,
and you know, and folks can reach out to me

(01:16:59):
via email, Craig at the first amendment in dot com.
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
It makes it pretty easy. Only one Craig there. So
uh that works, brother, Craig Johnson, the hatchet Man here
on episode three seventy five. Thank you so much, brother.
It was great meeting tonight and talking to you and
sharing the same here. And yeah, and I hope, I
hope we get you on again and we and we
I get down to Virginia, which I do quite a bit,

(01:17:25):
maybe we get a chance to link up. I'm I'm
where are you out of I live in Buffalo, but uh, okay,
a lot of work in DC. I'm I'm gotten through
mutual contacts. I've gotten pretty good friends of Bryce Reeves
with Cameron Hamilton. I've been down there hung out in
Orange County. Uh So I've down down some of those

(01:17:46):
same areas.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I know all those guys, Bryce, Cameron. Cameron's a young
up and comer. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
And uh I had Bryce's fiancea care I had her
on a couple of weeks ago. So uh, I'm running
in your same circles.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
I hope we will get great great with that God
bless you. I pray that the Lord would continue to
bless you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Thank you man, same thing, and uh and that you
and the Lord protects you to let you get the
word out, let you reach more people, uh in all aspects,
and UH support you and let you do what you
do and give you all those blessings do it. So
I'll let you go, brother. Thank you so much for
your Thursday night. Thank you everyone for joining us. You've

(01:18:28):
been seeing our sponsors on the bottom. We don't want
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up and UH and brother Craig, you have.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
A great night, all right you too now thanks again

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