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June 19, 2025 • 67 mins
David Gregory Bellavia is a former United States Army soldier who was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during the Second Battle of Fallujah. Bellavia has also received the Bronze Star Medal, two Army Commendation Medals, two Army Achievement Medals, and the New York State Conspicuous Service Cross. In 2005, Bellavia was inducted into the New York Veterans' Hall of Fame. He has subsequently been involved with politics in Western New York State. Upon being awarded the Medal of Honor on June 25, 2019, Bellavia became the first, and currently only living recipient of the Medal of Honor for service during the Iraq War.
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Speaker 1 (01:35):
All right, everyone, welcome to episode three sixty seven of
Stewing the Nun. Dave, do you recognize something young kids
in those pictures that.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
That was really incredible?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Like, yeah, that was awesome, man, I saw you focused
in on it. I'm like, he's looking for what's coming
up next. It's a couple couple in there, a couple
from your times. But everyone, I want to thank you
and welcome mister David Bellavia. Mister David Bellavia to the show.
Then used to call him mister when we first started
interviewing him in two thousand and seven and eight. But Dave, welcome,

(02:08):
It's good to have you back. Buddy used to be
our most long term guest host. I think our good
buddy Wolf has out done you on that.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
We had to see you in a while. But good seeing,
good to have you back, Good to be back.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Man.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, I'm glad you were able to like tell you know,
all the other major news outlets that it just you
had something more important to do tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
And I apologize for the tardiness, but.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
No, good.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
You got a build, you got you got a Bill's
helmet behind you. So you're good.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
We'll go with that.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
But no, good to see you, buddy. Hey, it's been
a while. You've been up to a lot. I would,
I would let you cover anything you want. But you know,
I was saying I need a good foreign policy expert
on for tonight with everything going on, and well, Chuck
wasn't a elbow, So I Chuck is.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Chuck's an expert. I'll tell you he knows the stuff.
He is that.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
You you got a question about a tank, a gun,
how to shoot it, how fast it goes.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Chug Z is my go too, man.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, if he needs specs or stats on a tank
or you.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Need you need Everyone needs a Chuckszy in their life
and they need You need a mechanic, you need an attorney.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
And you need a chug Z.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
He'll tell you if a stake is poisonous, he'll tell you.
You know, he's he's my go to.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
And he'll bring puppies with him.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
So that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
That's always a benefit. But uh yeah, So I'm really
glad you could join me. There's been a lot going on.
We've been running guests back to back for a while
and and covering a lot of topics and uh and everything.
But I was glad to be able to get you
just kind of talk about the current state of the
world and current state of affairs and man Sen Young
Fox a few times. Recently lost our good buddy Jimbo,
who is just on a little while ago. I just

(03:59):
saw him on Laura Show and uh yeah, so it's uh,
it's good man. So what's going on? What is your
take on everything happening in the world right now? We
got you know, I Ran hitting hospitals, just shooting in
discriminately into the Sivian populace. We have, uh, you know,
Israel with complete air superiority. I just really thought that
I Ran had better air defenses, but maybe they were.

(04:22):
Maybe that was part of the battlefield prep to take
all those out. But it just surprised me how quick
that Israel was able to maintain their take over a
full air advantage.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
It's to the point where if we get involved, we've
got to ask Israel for permission to fly faced.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Is that bad? But uh no, Look, I mean think
about this. If you go back to when we were.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Running around, you know, in Afghanistan for you Iraq for
both of us, right.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Did you didn't get.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
You got if you were Afghanistan, all you got what
how many was Iraq?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I was old school Iraq desert storm.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Okay, well Iraq in Afghanistan.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
If you go back to the Global war and terror,
the you know, after watching Russian Ukraine, I want, you know,
a rebate for all the months I wasted, you know,
getting ready for the Russian you know, hordes that were
crossing over an NTC and you name it.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
But you know, the threat was always that before you
got to.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
A rain, you had to do with Hesbula and Hesbula,
you know, they cut their teeth, they had all the
munitions and and they would rain them down. And then
you had a sod that was right next to Hesbulah.
And then you know, Hamas is a startup at the
really early part of global war and terror and the Houties,
you know, Obama told us they were the worst people

(05:43):
and they Obama said that the Saudis were the worst
people on earth for hitting the Houties, right like, how
how dare you?

Speaker 2 (05:50):
The Houtis are our friends.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
The peace loving flower handing out people.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Of the So so when Israel October seventh kicks.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Off, you've got you know this this, you know five
headed monster of If you take care of Hamash, you
got to deal with Hasbla. If you deal with Hasbula,
you got to deal with with Assad. He's coming next.
And then you know, you got the Jutis and finally
you've got the boss, you know, level of Iran.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
So Hamas folds Hesbla like.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Every time they promote someone, there's a jay dam at
that promotion ceremony.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
They're done. You got the.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Houtis that fold like a card table, and then mysteriously,
when Hesbula goes away, Assad goes away.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
So that regime was essentially stood up.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
But the other threat we had was that if we
ever went after Ran, we would have Russia. Russia would
stick up for their friends, China would be right there,
Pakistan be right there. Well, Russia's got their hands full
right now. And if this is a dress rehearsal for
Jiji paying to show us what he's going to do
with Taiwan, he wants nothing to do.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
With this fight.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
And Pakistan, I mean, they're dealing with India. They've got
other problems in their own airspace. So I mean, you know,
whether you're four it against it just calling balls and strikes.
You know you're in the you're on that final runway,
Luke Skywalker.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
You see the death Star. You got that open h vacuum.
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
You can put two little torpedoes right in that thing
and blow it the high Hell, I'm sure Tucker Carlson
won't sleep. But the fact is is this is the
best time to hit him, you know, now hit them hard.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I think I figured out what was up with the
houthies in Obama. I think he was taking advice from
Biden and he said, no, they're with the blowfish. Don't
mess with the houthis.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Who.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I think he thought they were putting out good music
and that's why he's like, why would you want to
hurt them? I could be guessing, but Biden could have
messed that up.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
I mean, look at you know one of the things
you mentioned about their air defense, you know in h
what was it?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
It would have been October of twenty four was when
Israel finally punched back and I ran and softed them
up pretty good.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
They devastating.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Think about they devastated. They have not recovered from that attack.
When hit No, I'm talking about when when Israel went
over with their air force.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, they haven't recovered from that.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
So while these guys were as susceptible today as they
were last fall, and you had an administration that wouldn't
even allow them to arm David sling an iron dome,
let alone give them bunker busters or anything else.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
They could have done this in November. You know, they
could have done this before the election.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
So, I mean, this is this is just it shows
you what weakness is, and it shows you what power
looks like.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And now luckily we have a different president.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, let me ask you. So Israeli has always been
known as quick to react, right in the history well
before this, right going way back. I mean, they've always
been one that someone attacked them. They were an eye
for an eye, right, they was like, don't screw I
remember being young in the army and be like, man,
don't mess with these railies, Like they will freaking clap
back at you really fast. But in the last year,
it seems that they are become masters at the long game.

(09:25):
When you look at the Pager attack, which was years
in the making and months in logistic planning, and now
we find out they had their own drone making factory
inside of Iran and Masad was operating pretty much unmolested
in Iran building their own drug I mean Ukraine shift
them over in a truck by some poor DHL driver,

(09:46):
you know, to take out Russian bombers. These guys just
didn't worry about trying to ship them into Iran. They
just made them right there. Obviously had to be a
long game there too. I mean, these guys have been
planning this thing out for a while. And if you
think about the pager attack, removing the Hesba Lah, going
after Hamas, removing you know, hitting all those people with

(10:06):
the page attack, making them not trust electronics, not even
their toasters anymore, and that they were really softening up
the battlefield, removing the the immediate threat, which were the
ones located closest to it. And now they're doing the
launch into Iran itself. The more I sit back and
look at it, I'm thinking, all these things are absolutely
interconnected and this is a hell of a long term strategy.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
It is, and that's it.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I think that that's a pretty good observation and analysis.
One of my first jobs coming out of the Army
was covering, you know, the surge in Iraq and like
the spring of six that you know, the Sons of
the Sunni, you know, uprising of people that are Kaeda

(10:50):
joining our side and Ambar Province and there was like
Nick Robertson from CNN and me where the only two
guys in Ramadi running around. And then it was I
got a chance to get the Southern Lebanon War, which
was the summer of two thousand and six, and it's
hard to argue that Israel won that.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I mean, they really got handed.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
They spread their supply line super thin long, they went
into the Bikaw Valley, which connects Lebanon to Syria. They
were getting wiped out, had the spider holes, they were
jumping up right behind the tanks. They were finding soft
spots everywhere. But you know, if you look at Israel
and you look at the United States in two thousand
and six, we went in two different directions. Israel learned
their lessons and we didn't. And so Israel started to

(11:38):
realize that you need better intel, you have to have
a plan.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
But when I watched Israel do all these things, it
reminds me of like, yeah, it's cool when you borrow
dad's car. You can do some cool things with Dad's car.
But when Dad gets his car, like nobody knows how
to drive the car like Dad, you know.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
And I see the Israelis like playing with our toys.
I'm like, theyans don't get it. They don't get it.
They they this is not in the stratosphere. You know,
a lot of technology has changed. We're talking about six
generation fighters and everything else, the drones, uas, all that stuff.
But the fact is we've got stuff. I mean, we've

(12:19):
got some stuff. And you think that motorolas. I mean,
god forbid we get another war with people that are
still your to pagers. But that's gonna be. We're gonna
hit the cast of twenty one Jump Street to be
able to use that again. But I mean there are
things in our inventory that you know, our enemies know

(12:41):
full well that you poke this bear. Even Joe Biden
is going to find a way to reach out and
touch you. With Trump, I mean, Trump's put all his
pieces on the table and said, hey, I don't want
to You know, Trump is using the Ike Turner strategy
for diplomacy, which is, bag, don't let me hurt you again.
You know, like I could do this at any time.

(13:04):
Don't make me do it don't make me do it.
And you know, you got to look at that firepower
out there and realize, you know, it's it takes two
and a half three hours for the Israelis to do
their sorties, two HUNTERD planes, whatever they're doing, we are
going to do the Henry Ford of I mean, we're fighting.

(13:25):
You know, Americans traditionally fight with one carrier group. We
tried something new about two years ago when we started
bringing two carriers together and that has not happened since
we toyed with it in World War Two but never
mastered it. The Navy has mastered the two carrier fight.
And when that happens, I'll tell you what, man, We're

(13:46):
gonna get to the bottom of this whole Jesus Muhammad
thing real quick, because I mean they're flying sorties left
and right, refuel it, getting ready.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
It's it's it's Mayhem. There's nobody that can do that
the USA does.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I think Nimans is coming in to be the second
one in the golf it's right, and and I think
Ali Ali or whatever it is, that's the one that's
off of that's the one that's off in the ocean
off of Israel. There's three. There's one on the west
side and two in the golf right there is UH
and you've got every media outlet camped out outside of
right in an airbase, waiting for a B two to

(14:22):
take off. I am I am confident that we probably
have a couple of positions somewhere else and we'll let
we'll let the media set up their cameras and wait
for a B two to take off to try to
alert Iran when they're probably coming in from a different direction.
But then again, we've got B fifty two is also
if a B two can carry it, a B fifty
two can carry it.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
And if you oh, I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Two and then and then you know Saudi's getting in
this fight. I mean if the US is.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Watching, Saudi is going to be right there, and yeah,
that's that's going to be trouble.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, So Rob says, Yeah, the Niamens and the Carl
Vincent are and the Golf and the Burke I think
is the one that's off the off of Israel in
the UH. Is that the matter or whatever that is?
But yeah, it's they're they're bringing it. You mentioned Russia
a second ago. It was you think it was just
good timing. I mean, I heard Trump said yesterday that
that he had a talk with Putin and Putin offered

(15:15):
to Brooker peace deal. In Trump, in his classic way,
uh said, how about you worry about your own peace
deal and focus on your own war and don't worry
about this one. I mean, he claims that Putin said
he would try to offer and mediate. But that's the
extent of the Russian involvement.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
For one.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I know, I haven't heard anything else out of them,
miss saying you guys really shouldn't do that. They have
been neutralized in this and probably because they have their
own problem to deal with, which.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Is well, first of all, the biggest issue for Putin
right now is where is he going to get his
radio shack drones, because that's that's all coming from Iran
those you know, when you start hitting manufacturing, you know,
I mean, listen, no offense to Kim John mun No
one watch your soldiers. If you're breaking glass and taking

(16:02):
to her Koreans, you're in a world or hurt. Yeah,
you're in a world.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Or Hurt's taken out. You've got no Wagner group.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Wagner Boys got introduced to some Rangers and some uh
you know V one bombers too a couple of years back,
and that didn't last too long.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
So I mean, look, they he's in a tough spot.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
But more, you know, importantly, is that Iran is completely
isolated and that that's the worst spot to be in.
I mean Turkey, you know, you know, we have at
least one NATO ally that's pulling for him, and Turkey
just they're gonna lose everything if they even I mean,
you're not gonna hear a peep from them.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
They've got too much to lose.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Everything is everyone is silent, Saudi, Jordan, Turkey.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I mean there's nobody serious, not even really country anymore.
I mean there's nobody's even not even Pakistan like you said,
I mean Pakistan, I think was at the White House yesterday.
Their military chief was hosted, probably had a lunch or
dinner with President Trump. I mean, he's he brought them over.
But there's no one piping up. Like when I was
in Desert Storm, right, everyone it was a big coalition
and it was get all the countries and blah blah blah.

(17:12):
This time everyone's just sitting out and just whistling and
looking the other direction.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, I mean, Saudi Arabia is handling this conflict like
Bills fans.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Are watching Bill Belichick with his girlfriend right now.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
You know, it's kind of like we're not openly making
a comment, but we're super happy behind the scenes that
his life is coming on glued before our very eyes.
You know, Like Saudi obviously is like, hey, we don't
want to see violence anywhere.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Listen. They they they clearly have disdained the.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Gulf States, the Golf Air of states are are going
to run the Middle East and the and the one
you know, the one band. And again, this is the
difference between you know, the leftist liberal ideology of we
can balance the scales by making a ran more powerful
and just letting natural course take its way. I mean,

(18:07):
you know, the side that's against nation building and against
the invasion of Iraq had no problem with Kadafi being removed,
had no problem with the vacuum that that created. And
by the way, the biggest you know, if you want one,
you know, domino effect of Kadafi leaving, it's now the
land rush of people from Africa in that region of

(18:28):
the world that poured into the into the Europe. I
mean that's what the Kadafi regime represented. After that, you've
got Sicily is now Ellis Island for half of Central
Africa because Kadaffi isn't there anymore. So, I mean, there's
there's so many second and third degree you know, consequences

(18:50):
of actions. And I understand there's a lot of people
on the Trump side that are that are against it.
I'm just saying, look, man, pump the breaks the guy,
the guy backed his car out and you know, put
it on the side. Well, what do we Nothing's happened, man,
there's no there's no two hundred thousand troops in Kuwait.
When you see when the eighteen Airborne Corps shows up
and names a fob after Virginia or North Carolina, that's

(19:14):
when you're like, oh, oh, a bunch of hot dogs
are going to be steeved for breakfast at lunch.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
That's when you're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah. When you see green Beans Coffee being set up,
they're worried about watching the pizza orders at the Pentagon.
They know if something's happening, you need to see if
there's any mass orders for green Beans coffee.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I do all my.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Investments now are how many copies of the New Testament
are being printed in pocket size, and I know.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Exactly that there's a deployment coming. That's what I go
all in on Defense.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Contractor, and Desert Tan also, Desert did right well. The
sad thing is they just we just had this Army
birthday and we had this awesome parade. I don't know
if you were there or not, but a lot of
folks were. I noticed, for the first time in over
twenty years, every vehicle was green. And I'm wondering how
many of those poor guys are back in the shop
right now repainting them Desert Tan at the current moment,

(20:10):
because everything was a beautiful dark kark desert, you know,
pre desert storm, you know, nineteen eighties, nineties, green for
the first.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Time in a long time.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
And now I'm wondering how many are getting emergency contracted
spray painted ten.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I wonder how many NCOs are at the fourth Infantry
Division learned how to march, That's what I Well, you
think they're working on that because that was ugly.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
It looked like they had just left remember that scene.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
And band of Brothers were like they're leaving bath Stone
and as they're passing the new guys are coming in.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
That's what the fourth Infantry Division looked like at peacetime
in Washington. Do you see exhausted, you know, like they're
too old for this.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
They've been fighting.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, it feels like they're like, you have no idea
what cars that is like this time of year elevation.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I can't adabt. I'm having a lot of problems.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Because there was a lot of slick sleeves, so there
was not a lot of worn out people there. There
was not a lot of issues or I can issues.
The hanging strapped on ib A. They did it like
in basic or something.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
When when the Boston Robotics Dog robot is out marching you,
you are in trouble.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
In time in time, like if you the first arm
would he yelled at double time. I think probably has
a voice command to just take off, like yeah, yeah,
the the old first arm to me was kind of
I was twitching a little bit watching that. I was like,
you know, we've been out of g WAT for a
little bit. I get it. If this was six o
seven and you're doing back to back to back deployments,

(21:44):
maybe you've dropped a couple of things that are more,
you know, peace time. But we've been out for a minute. Uh,
let's get back listen.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
I'll tell you if it was our generation at DC four,
negligent discharges at least so hit.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
So they did the monument, We were aimed.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
We were shooting rounds in the chow halls and and
I mean our our Briley fighting vehicles were juicing off
twenty five mic Mike constantly, you know, like hey, a
German schoolhouse called, and like oops eleven Charlie's when you
a d a sixty millimeter you're having a bad day.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
When you do.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I was impressed when you see Mark nineteen, which I've
seen and it just keeps going and you're just like oops.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Right, yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
So I was impressed that there was no uh no
brass and Ammo checks and no one was rotting the
one hundred and twenty milimeter two.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
It was uh there, it was a mistake free. No
vehicles broke down.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
If it was our general, if they were Portajohns, they
would have been completely graffeeded up.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I mean, there have been a lot of artwork.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's what the left media would have been talking about,
was the sixty minutes would have done a whole special
on the artwork of the Portagohns on the parade ground.
But I did think of, yeah, you're right. You know,
there's some feedback on the people waving, and they were saying,
you know, the soldiers were waving, they weren't stoic, looking
forward all stuff. And I kind of thought of some

(23:12):
guys I know from our generation, probably from your Petune,
that if they would have been driving that Bradley would
have been waving its main gun up and down, it
would have been swinging, doing circles. It would have been
I bet you would have had a couple guys from
your ptune that would have made that Bradley dance not
just crazy.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
There is something cool about, you know, watching a Bradley
do their little maneuvers they traverse and with the tour
it around. My guys were famous, you know. The insurgents
figured out that we have to be in like the
what is it the eleven o'clock position, you know, traversed
up to reload animal, and our guys would fake doing

(23:47):
that and so that you would get movement, and then
they'd be like psych and like you know, sling bag.
You just put them in sandbags. That was pretty fun.
But but honestly, we spent a few billion dollars every
year of recruiting, and that was that's way better than
a NASCAR. That's way better than anything you could put

(24:11):
out there. That is a That was a hell of
a job of you know, getting getting the message out
that you know, it's it's cool to be a soldier.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Again, you know.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
And and I love the fact that I had Marines
talking about you know, two hundred and fifty years and
they're like, you know, we're we're up there too, you know,
the brains are trying to get there, you know, Air
Force and Navy. You're like, what about those No, Now,
you could have America without the Army, remember.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
That, that's right, you're prior Well, what's the old joke saying? Right,
no one grew up and as a kid wanting to
go play Navy. Everyone everyone played Army. No one, I'm
gonna play air Force, you know, space Force.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, but uh no, it's uh it was.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
It was pretty awesome to see that, and but it
did get me on all the green vehicles and like
we're not even we're just totally pretending like we're not
going back to the desert.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Ever again, i'mlike, you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
We got so many thousand troops in the area, and
you know, I'm looking at just what is the point
right now? I mean if Iran, you know, look, there's
a breaking news that they hit the Eye Tolls bunker.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
You know, I don't know what that means. Do they
get them? Do they not get them?

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Obviously Masad and Tier one Israelis are on the ground.
I mean they look the Operation Spiderweb in Ukraine is
almost identical to what the Israelis did. You know, you're
bringing ballistic missiles in a traffic circle in Tehran, maybe
look out for the rider truck running around with the
guys smoking on Marlboro light. That's that's probably where it's

(25:47):
gonna happen. You know, These trucks just like unload drones.
I mean those we saw an image of Masade which
we've never seen before. But I was just blown away
by how absolutely you can always tell, you know. Unfortunately,
we've seen so many, you know, mass shootings in America
that we now judge when it goes to breaking news.

(26:07):
You look at the cops and you can just tell
from the first responders is this active, is it over right,
and there's over you know, just like the we had
guys that you know.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Low ready, high ready, not so ready. You know, you
can just tell like the position of their rifle like
nothing's going on. Yeah, you get a sense of that.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
These Masad guys behind enemy lines taking out launchers. I mean,
they had absolutely zero fear that anything would happen. Guys,
nods are up. You know, he's got this Mr Cooking.
I mean it was like he didn't give a damn.
There was nothing you could do, nothing you could do,

(26:49):
but it was still I'm just saying that when you're
when you're doing the evening news and a twenty five
hundred pound j on your head, it's kind of hard
to argue that you're in this.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah. Yeah, the uh no, that was when it first happened.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Uh And I was like, oh they attacked and some
images images started coming out. The first thing I thought,
and probably you the same way that any of us
with the military background, was like somebody's laysing that like
these are way too accurate. Someone's got a glid and
they have got that target painted because these things were
spot I mean they're like, look they put it through
a window. They did this, and then of course it

(27:24):
came out that uh oh, yeah, they're on the ground.
They're they're painting targets, they're building drones inside the country.
In fact, they even said that Massada was planting explosives
ahead of time. Some of those were not aerial delivered,
they were ground delivered. And that's why.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Ject you they put it? Did you see that tank
spike they loaded up for if it ran? Like I mean,
they had exquisite time. I'm telling you what. I don't
have any authority or information.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I'm just extrap lady. Those boys were in that country
for over sixty days. There is no possible way when
when you have time to spot weld a drone, would
you have time to you know.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I mean and bringing a game controller and all that.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
I mean, they were way too comfortable, man, and it
makes you think, you know, I was, I was watching.
There's a website called Memory and E M R I
I've ever seen that. It's a great If you ever
go on X you should follow them and subscribe. They're
great people first of all, but they take English translations

(28:31):
of everything in the Middle East, and I get so
much awesome information. You're watching like a newscast, but it's
it's translated so you can follow along. And they've got
like you know, when you're watching the Iranian military parades,
the officers wear like a hat that you would see
in like Key west On a sixty seven year old woman,
like a giant, like the yeah, the yeah. The bill

(28:56):
on the hat is like for if they threw the
hat on the ground, you would do a creator analysis.
It looks like a splash of a mortar round. It's
the most ridiculous hat you've ever seen. And everyone is
constantly covering their face. So think about the insecurity of
a military If Mark Milly is hanging out with the

(29:17):
Joint chiefs and and you're doing a propaganda video like
you're filming this this is for the Iranian military and
all of our generals are hiding their face, turning their
back to the camera.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
What does that tell you?

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I mean, they're afraid to even show what they look
like in fear that you know. And now it's like, hey, congratulations, sir,
you got promoted to boom. You know, like they're they're
taking these boys out. It's such a you know, crazy clip.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Before the wife can even get her yellow Roses at
the change of command, right right, it's like.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
That Hoo deformation.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
They all stood around in a circle talking about what's
what's the plan for today?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
And they got and they had footage of it on
the ground where someone was videoing. I mean to and
you mentioned that, right, So we talked about MASSA what
they've done. There's a report, and I'm sure there's gonna
be so much more. I mean, I don't know how
much it be made public, but I mean I think
the eventually it'll get out or at least, you know,
they'll share with our military. But just like the Pager attack,
there's gonna be a lot coming out after this what

(30:23):
they did. But one report out is when they took
out the four intelligence officials the other day, I think
Sunday or Monday. They had interest. They had set up
fake cell phone towers and radio relays, and the Masade
put out the message for them all to get together
and meet in this little bunker underground. They brought them all.
It was like it was like, you know, you see,
like an intervention, like hey, come over to my house

(30:44):
and everyone's waiting to ambush someone about their drug use.
They that the massads when it sent the message out
and I don't know if they did it on pager,
but they told them all to come to the secret
spot they all know of. They all came there and
they were waiting and just put one down the pipe.
I mean, even that itself, if that's the only thing
they did, would have been the phenomenal operation. But that's
just one of many because it makes sense, because I mean,

(31:08):
it's not like how they get all four of those guys,
like the tour top four and their deputies intelligence people
in one spot in the middle of like not having
any air.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Coming this morning.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
They took out thirty of them. Then you got thirty
senior military leaders in one shot. So I mean, if
I'm if I'm look, there's some jobs in the United
States Army where you have a bat phone and you
know you got eighteen hours to be sober and get ready.
If I'm in the Iranian Tier one, I'm not, I'm

(31:38):
turning that phone off.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Nobody's going to nobody's.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I don't believe a single thing I'm hearing, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's yeah, yeah, hey, akaman, this is how need we
got a formation out front.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Hell muster formation.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I'll I'll be late I'll be there. Yeah, tell tell commander,
I've got a phone, golf.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's just ridiculous. But again, you know, I love that
we're ready.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
We don't ever take our enemies, you know, never underestimate
what the enemy can do. All true, But you know Russia,
I mean, you know what, We'll look at bag the
invasion of Baghdad as the most incredible logistic feet our
American military has ever accomplished, the fact that we can

(32:27):
have like a four and a half mile convoy and
circle it, fuel it, you know, take are injured out
and just keep moving. That machine just kept moving towards
the capitol. It was absolutely incredible, and you just think
of like little things, you know, infantry, tankers all awesome,
but man, you need you need logistics. You can't run

(32:50):
out of gas and keev you know, like someone there's
you know you that cannot happen. Farmers cannot haul off
your with a John Deere that that is always frowned upon.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
But operational b MP or tank.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, how's your green degree? Well, I lost my tank?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
How's that red one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
It's not put your hands, yeah, give me give me
a thumbs up there, squad leader.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yeah, it uh No, But I mean it's like you say,
it's today you had.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
The president come out and through his press secretory, she
quoted him right that he said, you know, he's gonna
make a decision the next two weeks. We all know Trump.
President Trump's in very antire he was He's been big
on ending wars and not committee people of wars. And
right now you've got the GOP very split, right, you
got some that are that wanted to do something and
some that don't. But he came out they said, we'll

(33:59):
see how it goes time the next two weeks. We
all know he is the master of the art of
the deal. He knows how to play the media and
everything else. He's shown that through the first term and
since I mean I saw that today. I was watching
it live when it happened, and I go, man, this
guy knows exactly what he's doing. He is keeping him
on our edge. You know, it could happen now, it

(34:20):
could happen in two weeks, but I'm gonna make a decision.
What do you think that's doing. Is he is he
generating his own warfare against the Iranians?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well?

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Absolutely, I mean, look, you know there's we're the right
winging in America politically has never had influencers ever. The
twenty four election was the first time that we had
people that were agnostic to politics.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
They got involved. This was like Obama in two thousand
and eight.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
You had a bunch of people that were singing, dancing,
playing basketball. They're like, this is our guy. Well, that
happened in twenty twenty four, but that it happened for Trump,
and a handful of these guys have no idea what.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
The hell they're talking about. And and now they're like, we're
going to war.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I regret voting for Donald. Try you're not going to anything.
You're not going to anything. I mean, listen, we've all
been in a training environment with a five ton. It's
seven miles away. You think it's your five ton, it's
not your five ton. Everyone starts collecting their stuff, getting ready.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
This is our ride home. No, it's not shut out,
not until it parks. Is it your five ton? So
all these machines are lined up, it's extra leverage.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
The Istola wants to come to Washington, probably to save
his life, to be honest with it.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
But but he like, they're going to negotiate.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
They have to negotiate, and if they don't, you know,
the biggest problem here is that, you know, a lot
of times we looked at bin Laden this.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Way, we look at the eye toot.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
There's gonna be another pope, There's gonna be another Iyetola,
there's gonna be another putin. These guys don't exist in
a vacuum. So you killed Burger King. They're gonna make
whoppers tomorrow. That's the way it works. You know, you've
got to be prepared for what's coming down the pipe.
And again, the people that are losing their mind over
Trump and he's vacillating, he's doing this, he's doing that.

(36:15):
The guy brought in eighty eight billion dollars on the
tariffs that ninety percent of the you know, the political
class that was going to cause hyper inflation.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
It didn't cause hyper inflation.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
We're finding out today that for every illegal immigrant we're deporting,
five to ten are self deporting. And everyone's complaining about
the number. Like again, you don't have the facts. Give
a little confidence to this team that he's built. They're
they're pretty good.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
At what they do.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, I heard yesterday they've had their reporting a million
have self.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Deporting that have gotten yes and four months.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, and what they're one thousand dollars check they've self
deported and they're out.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
And uh, Menudo canceled their tour. They're they're done. They're not. Yeah,
they're not gonna they're gonna do the events.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Hey, right, May had zero zero illegal immigrants come inside
this country, right that that they know about.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
That number one. That's that's the release. Zero were released.
They got about eighteen thousand that came in, but they
were promptly uh swaddled and kind of old.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Ye, then let me ask you what's going on in
La then went silent from about Friday on. I was
talking to my wife the other day where I was
actually like, are the riots still happening?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I'm like, I don't know, like they're not talking about them.
I don't know if that's still going on out there
or not.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
But boy, that fell off the news cycle really quick
when Israel started launching attacks. And uh, in fact, you
haven't heard anything about Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
You ever heard anybody. It's almost like the news media.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Is on they're a drink from a fire hose and
they don't know what you know, latest crisis to cover
and and you know, they go after whatever right, whatever
bleeds leads.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Look, I think what happened was people started to realize that,
you know, they spend almost a dozen times that the
president of the United States is federalized National Guard without
the permission of the governor. You go back to fifty
seven and Little Rock and JFK in sixty two, JFK
in sixty three, Lynnon Johnson is sixty five Washington and

(38:17):
the Whiskey Rebellion.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
But the other thing is when you read the US Code.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
You know, I do radio five days a week, and
it's amazing to be at you know, the difference between
you know, if you're looking at US Code ten two
fifty one and two fifty two, clearly you can see
that two fifty one is when you have the governor's
permission and two fifty two is when you don't have.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
The governor's permission.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
So why would the US Code exist with a caveat
to say that the governor doesn't want to give you
his national guard? The president of the commander in chief
of the military could say I'm taking him. Eisenhower did it,
Kennedy did it multiple times, Lennon Johnson did.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
It, George H. W. Bush did it in the La Riots.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
H W.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Bush in the La Riots used the Insurrection Act. So
it's like, again we're being lectured to by you know, lunatics.
This isn't gonna last. We're gonna get Katanji Brown Jackson,
and I will never get some in my hair. But
in the Supreme Court, there's a chance that this will

(39:30):
be an eight to one because it's that it's that nonsensical.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, if you think it'll get to that level, you
think it's going to Supreme Court, it has to because because.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
You're gonna you're gonna get the universal injunctions coming up
before the fourth of July, which I think is going
to be the most consequential.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Supreme Court decision in our lifetime.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
It's gonna beat Dobbs, it's gonna beat the guns, it's
gonna beat everything. A universal injunction Article two, you know,
to take Article two of the Constitution and reinstate it
and say the federal judges are not elected and they're
not there to circumvent the presidential power under the constitution,
executive power. That's a huge decision. And then the second

(40:10):
one is going to be you know, what are we doing.
We're codifying existing US code. It exists for a reason,
Like what what games are we playing here? It's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, I've heard of other protests or things popping up
here and there. And obviously the President hasn't backed down.
If anything, he's been like press harder, right, He's just
pushed the gas pedal down even more. And uh and
they're they're hitting raids everywhere at home depots, meat packing
plants in Florida, I mean all kinds of stuff. They're
just not He's he's not one to be scared by anybody.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's amazing to me.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
It's like, you know, the the confusion of like the
type of illegal that that is being sucked up. Imagine
you're at a d WI checkpoint the drive up and
you're like, officer, good news is I'm not intoxicated.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Bad news is I don't have a license or a registration.
They're not gonna be like only looking for drugs today.
Keep on going, you unlicensed driver.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
You you get out there and you get legals fast.
Hey man, you go in and you find a bunch
of illegals, you're taking them out. You're you're gonna deport them.
And by the way, I can't get fifty percent of
the country to you know, be in favor of the
new formula for Coca Cola to get a fit. Everything's

(41:35):
fifty to fifty is every issue. This is an eighty
twenty issue. There's there's there's nobody that you talk to
like the first generation Americans and that you have to
like listen to their English that speak you know, have
every Salina record ever made and they speak you know,
broken English. They love this country. They're gonna look you

(41:58):
right in the eyes and be like, illegal, get the
hell out it. No no matter where you're from. Avghani's
are telling the illegals to get the hell out.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Did you see them? You see the Schwarzenegger interview on
the View yesterday. Yeah, I mean that's that. I mean
he he could have been more eloquent. I mean he
pretty much was like he came here as an immigrant, right,
and he and they tried to bait him and try
to get in the same things. And he he, as
I said to some folks, right, not only did he
you know, did did Joyce set up the ambush site?

(42:27):
She walked herself right in it. And he wouldn't let
them stop him, and he just kept him in there
and they kept trying to interject and put their hands
on him, and I mean he said it like we
all know I'm gonna I was a guest. When you're
guests somewhere, you try to treat it better and be nice,
and you don't rob, you don't steal, you don't do whatever.
I just I mean, he gained I think a lot
of fans yesterday because he.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Was and a guy that hasn't traditionally shown him discretion.
I mean, he is the same math that impregnant his
fifty year old bid, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
So when Schwarzenegger is showing discretion, it's a it's a
special day.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
What the views lost in mind?

Speaker 4 (43:00):
And I mean, you know there's always if things aren't
going in the news, you know, just go to the
view and just play audio and just you know, it
occupies an hour of your program of just talking about
how ridiculously untethered the planet Earth half these people are.
But I mean again, it's like, what what percentage of

(43:21):
the masses are on the side of illegal immigrants. I've
seen interviews with illegal immigrants that are saying, you know,
I really should be out of here, Like I'm going
to vote.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
If I could vote, i'd vote for Trump. And I
don't want to be here.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
You know, I should leave, you know, let's be the reality.
I mean they by the way, I would always listen
to WB and before I watched the view.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
But just give you a plug.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
But the you know, they they can't. A lot of
them came here because they were sold some grand sky
and you know, pie in the sky vision of going
to America and you're getting all this getting on the
naked here and realize, even if they get over here
and went through the old administration, got a you know,
a quarter parents for three years from now, there's no

(44:05):
you know, if they didn't make the hotel, they're on
the street.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
In New York City, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
And if they didn't you know, get there, there was
no one laying out a red carpet for him, right
and uh and they're you know, they they got into
an apartment complex in Colorado, and now trendor Egra is
like banging on their door and wanting to you know,
you know, paying money and all that kind of stuff.
I think a lot of them realized all these great
promises and this, uh, you know, this, this this, this,

(44:30):
this nirvana they were offered does not exist, even though
America is a great place, because the way they came in,
there's nobody helping them out short of a chat Catholic
charity here there.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Well, I mean, the.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
New York Times had an interesting article about the d
N c ran out of money at the same proportion
that USA I D is being defunded.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
So I found that to be rather an odd circumstance.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I had Tom Homan on my program yesterday and we
were talking about you know, he brought up this point
that really not a lot of people talked about, which
was there was a reason why they didn't want to
keep these illegals at the border. They could I mean,
what do we do. The army is created the tense city,
that's all. I mean, we can put a tense city

(45:16):
on the moon. Right now, we are subject better experts
and creating tents and putting a million cops in a tent.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
The fact is they didn't want that to happen. They
wanted the hotels, they wanted to spend more, and they
wanted to stretch the timeline for these court appearances so that,
you know, we could we could bless them.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
These blue state are hemorrhaging population. Yeah, and you know
that's money.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
And a lot of them need that population to substantiate
bottom line. They need to if they want to take
the house. Sometimes they always do it is fudge the
numbers to get more to get more reps. And if
you're counting you don't have voter ID and you're counting
every single person in a census, that's how you boost
your numbers up. I mean, that was one thing I
thought was interesting. We didn't see, at least I didn't.

(46:04):
You probably know better than I do. I didn't see
a lot of pushing of these folks too. Historically red areas.
There are some that Florida and that like that, but
mostly oh no, no, oh no.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
No, they hit those purple states in those red states. Absolutely,
that was a part of the planet. Yeah, they hit
a lot of red districts. Yeah, two am flights on
an unmarked plane, what's to see here? You know, lots
of people show up at two am on a spirit
airline filled with you know, people with oranges, bananas and

(46:36):
and you know, socks and jumpsuits.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I mean, the whole thing was an abomination. Look, we
have a president now.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
And you know, I was blown away that we just
got a report from Chuck Grassley. I mean, just a
host of ridiculous things, but one of them was that
eighty percent of the auto pen signatures were done when Biden.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Was in the in Washington. I was hoping that it
was going to be like, well, he's on vacation.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
He's home, he's at the beach.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah, no, he's he's right there. He just cannot be bothered.
It's not signing season for him. Uh, it's it's it's
it's a it's tragic, is what it is. It's a
it's a it's a constitutional crisis. It was you know,
the other side likes to project, but in this case,

(47:26):
with Iran and the world, we're not supposed to have
our director of National Intelligence making decisions. I don't want
I love the Secretary of Defense. You know, we're friends
with a secret that's insane to say, Ela, We've known
the Secretary of Defense for decades. I don't want to
make it that decision. That's the President of the United

(47:46):
States's decision. It's so you you consult, you give assistance,
you give opinions. But in the last four years, Tony
Blinken was telling Mark Milly to sit down. What is
what is Tony Blinken telling four star generals? You know
you you guys leave before the State Department does. And

(48:06):
they're like, hey, if we leave before the State Department,
are we going to come back here and bail you out?

Speaker 2 (48:11):
No, we got this.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Don't you worry about a thing. State Department's got this
on lockdown. Not even four days later, they're like, please, someone, anyone.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
We have no idea.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Go back to Cobber. We need you now.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
This is not turn out as good as we thought. Yeah, right,
all right, but you're right, I mean, and it needs
to reside with that mean. You you know the president
pretty well from from the past. You've you've spent a
lot of time in talking to him, and you could
probably say this with confidence that he like right now
the big reporters. Oh, he's got this small little click
of like four people and he's cutting everyone else out.

(48:47):
Everything I've heard and seen is that he takes advice
from a lot of people. He is not people think
he's just like, it's.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
My way of the highway.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
But he pulls a lot in now whether he obviously
there's competing opinions and all that stuff, but he seems
to be very much open to hearing as many opinions
and perspectives as possible before he formulates a decision that
he knows he has to make.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Now I can tell you with firsthand authority that Secretary
Hegseth is involved in every single aspect of Pentagon planning
and the budget process, consulting the president four times a day.
Tulsa Gabbard has not been cut out, she has not
been sidelined.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
That's absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
She was just in a meeting. I mean, look, that's
all nonsense. But at the same time, you know, President Trump,
you know, definitely gets advice. You saw him with the
construction workers talking about Jerome Powell and when they're.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Going to kick out the venture.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
That was a little uncomfortable, but President Trump, I was
right after you asked to make sure nothing more legals.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yeah, directly Trump.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
President Trump is gets a lot of advice. But at
the end of the day, President Trump makes his own decisions,
and you are are you know, honored enough to be
in his presence to give advice. You never know what
way he's gone. He'll he'll look at you he'll listen
to you and he'll be like, Okay, get out, you know,
and then either takes it or he does it. But

(50:14):
he is his own man. He knows exactly what he's doing.
He's gonna make his own decision, and he owns all
of those, even when they're bad decisions. He's the first
one to be like Minuti was a turn. I should
have fired him on day one, you know, John Kelly,
what was I thinking? Uh, you know, these guys, you
got to you know, if you're not gonna swim, he's

(50:37):
not gonna stick with you because.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
You're you know, you're you're bringing everyone down. Uh.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
The mischaracter is and here's the other mischaracterization of President Trump.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
He really does care about life. He really does. This
is not like a gimmick.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
He doesn't want to see Russians die, he doesn't want
to see Iranians die.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
And he literally wants to save human life.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
And the idea that that is somehow maybe it's new
for an American president.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I mean, you know is he Lyndon Johnson.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, brought Martha doctor King,
came into the Oval office, and then he called him
the n word I mean, so, I mean, we've come
a long way from you know, him belching into a
microphone talking to the Hagar company about his bunghole being
too tight, wanting Glyndon Johnson was an animal.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
He was an animal.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
He was an.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Absolute disgusting human being.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Donald Trump, for all of the perception out there that
he's a narcissist, at megalomaniac, he is as honest as
he could be when he's talking to the American people.
A wise person said something about Trump. Don't take Trump literally,
take Trump seriously. I think that's the best explanation of
Donald Trump that there is. Don't take him literally, take

(51:58):
him seriously. And he's been underestimated his entire life. But
he's he knows exactly what he's doing. He's already made
his decision. He's given a rant every opportunity to uh
to spare human life.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, it's that's one way, good way to put it.
I like that that quote, because, uh, he one thing
why people relate to him, which I've always said this
with him, was like how did how did he relate
to so many the American everyday flyover state person when
he's you know, born into money, and a millionaire baion
and all that stuff. But it's because he just he
didn't need a PR team, and I don't know if

(52:34):
one would want to be his PR team. And he
didn't need a teleprompter. He just talks off the cuff,
right like American, like we all do. Right, we just
saw say things and it's probably improper sometimes and off
color or well you.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
You were in the you were in the White House,
when you saw the teleprompter, there was nothing, there was
nothing that he was he'd go back to it after five,
you know, six paragraphs of his own.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah, that's his style.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
That moment.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I've been able to pick up now when I watch
I can tell when he jumps off like you can
it's and then he's just like and I really and
he just hit the same topic over and over, but
uh no, he just he just talks the way he
talks and sometimes like, oh, maybe we should look at this,
and then the whole world goes, oh my god, Trump
said we got to.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Do we got to do this, We got to put
UV lights in our veins, and you know all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
When he's just like he's spitballing, He's like, I don't know,
what do you Goya think should we try something? You know,
especially when you're talking about a possible pandemic. I mean,
he's uh, but I think you know, he he really,
in my opinion, has gotten much more mature in his
second term. He he he understands the weight of his
words and the impact that they have. I think a

(53:42):
lot more in this term than he did this first.
From what I can tell, he hasn't gotten more refined.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
He just yeah, this is his first term.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
I mean, you know, there there was a loaded gun
literally two times last year. But but there was there
was you know, the first administration. It was impossible to
get into going. He's a he's new to Washington. He
doesn't know who to trust. The last you know, six
years have really taught him, you know, who to trust
that people look, I mean he's got Stephen Miller is

(54:12):
you know when we so Vetster Freedom is the organization
back in two thousand and six, and if you look
at the class, you're a part of that and all
the mill bloggers and CV and was a founder of that,
and you think of like that class. So we were
up against the vote Vet guys. You know the vote

(54:34):
Vet guys moved down to the Obama administration. But if
you look at our class of like vetster Freedom members,
We've got guys in Congress, We've got a Secretary of Defense.
We got Hansen's over there like with his own show,
and you know, uh, he's on Fox all the time.
He's now one of the nation's leading experts and analysis

(54:55):
and commentaries in Jimbo. You know, like, like that's a
pretty impressive group of guys that all kind of got
together and did not get their cybirds.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Even it was one day I saw you, Jimbo and
Tim Kennedy almost back to back to back on Fox,
and I'm like, dude, I know everyone that's on Fox. Now.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I'm like, I'm just who's next, Like Toby coming up next?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I mean, Toby would be great.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
I'd love to get his take out what's going on
with Carney? But yeah, no, there's But I'm just saying
that that that group is I think, really distinguished itself,
and that's a neat little fraternity to be a part of.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
But Stephen Miller applied for a job.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
If that's for Freedom really, and we were like, you
don't have military experience, get out of here.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And he's like this Farnes mat of the world, and
it's like, oh man, that would have been so cool
to be have, Like Miller and Hank.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Said, you know, because we like exception on that one.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Maybe like, oh no, I'll tell you he was. He
was brilliant back then in two thousand and seven. He
was super smart.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Should have made maybe should have waived that military background,
Like let's just take him out to the right for
a while.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Right right, right, right. But he's he's brilliant and his
policy is great. But there's a guy working with the
Trump administration named Vince Haley, who's I mean, this guy's
under the radar, does policy rates a lot of speeches.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
This guy is brilliant.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
I mean, the one thing I can tell you from
this chief of staff, everyone that's in that you know
Eiseney the Eisenhower annexed.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
To the actual you know, West wing.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
I will put that crew up against any they they
they want. The Reagan administration, They've got subject matter experts
in every single nook and.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Granny of that White House. This is not the first
term at all. There are there are some really talented
people in that in that White House right now, really
smart guys and girls.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Yeah, yeah, it is a very diverse group, you know,
and and of all genders, races, sexuality doesn't matter, right,
there's two that that and and but you know, the
left or whatever the trump aiters try to paint him,
they try to create that drama, whether it's he only
consults with some people leave some out, or he's you know,
he's anti LGBTQ. This you realize two of his people

(57:15):
are openly gay. I mean, it's just like they're always
trying to create some kind of division, right, create some
kind of I think.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
At least three of them are closeted gay. No, but
I mean there's yeah, gay people, come on, there's there's everyone.
It's it's insane. But again, if that's what we're talking about.
But but you have that debate, if we're just gonna
move po.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Down the field.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Remember the first of term, everyone was like he's picking
all these generals. Remember you had General's at General Kelly
and this and that, and and everyone's like all he
does is pick generals. Well, he just kind of went
with what he taught were the best. In my opinion,
he never talked to me about it, but it's like
he probably went and got you know, these guys are
reputable commanders on the battlefield three and fourced our generals,
And he picked a couple of different ones McMaster, who

(58:00):
I'm a big fan of and like, and he just
some worked out some didn't. But he thought, well, if
I have to pick someone, they're probably better than a politician.
Like you said, he really didn't know anybody, he kind
of but at the same time, he doesn't just kick
the can down the road for someone else to deal with. Right,
He's mastered that you're fired term and he did it,
and then he would get critiqued over that, like, wow,

(58:22):
so many people he's firing and quitting. It's like because
they're not making it right. You know, you put you
appoint so many administrations that support your policies, right, it's imagine. Yeah,
it's like the cabinet hearings. Right, people are like, oh,
you're you only got picked because you're just going to
go along with the president. Yeah, because he picked me
to be the secretary of this cabinet. That's what I'm

(58:44):
gonna do. I'm gonna support him.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
But the attacks on Hesat, I mean, they got they
got in the weeds and they really hid him hard.
But but it's it's incredible of you know that job.
I think it's toughing than being president, without a doubt.
I think it's the toughest child in the world to
be Secretary of Defense because you know, the president can
always tell me.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
What you think.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
Secretary of Defense is the guy and he's not just
the Secretary of Defense as a as a spaceholder. He's
rebuilding the entire military right now. Uh the it's a
trillion dollar budget, you know, and he's in the minutia
of unions and and the shipyards and you know counter

(59:26):
I d counter should a counter drone and all this
other stuff. I mean, it is insanity that guy's workload.
And if his brain isn't blown up by now, he's
he's there.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
And he's a family man, the father, all that stuff
on the house. Poor family wouldn't ever see him because
I just he just seems like he works or is
on the go all the time. Him is shown both
because he has shown right there with another one that
comes back from our past. Right Yeah, when he got appointed,
I sent him a text and gratity thank me. I
was like, man, that's awesome, you know, Sean. He fought
in the same battles, in the same battle space, and

(59:59):
the same time we are battles intermixed, and uh, you know,
great and great spokesman and stuff. So yeah, there's a
lot of good people up there, and there's some that
didn't make it. There's some that have bounced out for
whatever reason. Right, people can speculate, but uh, you know
the same thing. I don't think the Secretary of Defense
is afraid of firing people if they're not making it either.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
So you know, now, look, Partnell is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
A great man, and we've known him forever too. You know,
we're the good guy And if there were turns, i'd
tell you, you know, like you know, there's I didn't know,
you know, some of those other guys. A couple of
them I did, and I still think they were really
good guys. And you know, who knows what happened. But
you know what, sometimes you get cut. You know, what
are you gonna do? Keep going?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Right, So we're you're sitting there Bunker Buster. They're saying
we're the only we're the only country that has this
and does this. Everyone's putting a lot of a lot
of credence on that. But you know, there's also some
talk of well, Israel saying they can do it is
Reel saying, you know, and it could be whatever being on.
They're saying they wouldn't need us. They could maybe they

(01:01:03):
can aim it down that little air shoe and get
something done there. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Listen, if that GBU fifty seven is an incredible piece
of machinery, you know, equipment, but you're not even one
hundred percent if you hit that thing four times, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I mean, the GBU fifty seven is what we got
out of Tora Bora, right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Toro Bora was really the we need a penetrator, we
need something massive, we need something that's going to be
able to go through stone. We knew Tora Bora because
we built it against the Soviets, so I mean we
knew it pretty well. And so that was that was
that took like twenty two years to roll out, you know,
And nothing's guaranteed that if you hit that thing four

(01:01:46):
times that you're actually going to penetrate the way you
want to penetrate it. So, I mean, nothing's guaranteed. But
you know, these Raelis can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Say that they could hit it and they could blow
it up, obviously they have people on the ground. I
think they have masaded with apart right now. In fact,
when they show me a general that hasn't died yet, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Thinking, spy. You know that has to be There's no way.
There's no way you survived. It's like you're in a
firefight and the enemy's not shooting at you. Where the
enemy is like, you know, I see Troy and Bellvie
over there, but they're okay right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Where they're at. Let's focus on the real threads.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
You know, if you're in like a two hour firefight
and no one has popped or snapped near your head,
it means that the enemy clearly knows where you are
and seems to not be threatened by your presence of
the battle space. It's weird that all these scientists are
killed and there's like four or five that are hanging
out and they're like, yeah, the Israelis know everything about you,

(01:02:43):
and they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
We think you're good just where you're at.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
You know, one thing to one thing to not get
promoted another thing for the enemy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
To be like, we'll keep you there, we think you're
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Reminded me of like when I was in Afghanistan, our
Battalion three for the Kandact for the Afghani. We knew
he was selling us out and over this stuff, so
it became common practice for us to invite him on
all of our big battalion missions and we'd be like, oh,
you get to ride in our hum Vy and he'd
be all out. He didn't have to ride his little
Ford Ranger. He'd be like, you can ride with us,
And that was our way to guarantee we weren't going
to get hit by a NID. So we would brief

(01:03:17):
him the dude was dirty. They could be we're like,
you ride with us, my friend. He'd be like, oh,
thank you, Like, yeah, here's a bottle of water, all
that stuff. Guess what. We never got hit like we
were like and we would tell him we'll be the
third Humbie and the convoy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
That's which when you're getting see you tomorrow, like all
the intel.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
You want to make, any phone calls, go right ahead,
You're free, whatever you want to do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Yeah, we're not damming anything. Don't worry. It was uh yeah,
that was what we used to do all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
We put him with us, and it was an intro
It was better than the jam than the dukes, better
than the jammers. We had that dude with us, We
were clear free, there was no no getting hit with that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
It's a different world now, it's a different.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
But you're right, those scientists, maybe maybe the Iran leadership
may start looking at him, like why are they're surviving
right right? You know, like when the cops do a
raid and they take the informant and kind of take
him away from everyone else and throw some cuffs on
him loosely like we're gonna take him over here and
then release them. You know, it's like they hit all
the generals, but Ahmed and Hamid.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Like, where have those dudes been taken out yet? They're
walking on.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
In the old days, they would do that just to
you know, take you out of circulation. They're you know,
just to let the other side think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
You're a moll and yeah, and let natural nature take
its course. You know, that was that was the way
it was done.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
But no, it bothers me to see Israel play with
our our gadgets and and do it in the way
that you know, this is not the I mean, we've
been blowing people's there's a whole lot of guys missing
important parts of their face. In twenty years of the
global and terror, you know we've been I mean, look,

(01:04:52):
we you know that we've got some we've got some stuff,
and it just it annoys me that I'm like, man,
we're been saving this, Like why waste it on Hezbola?

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Like into the honor today, I wore my Moab. Sure
I don't have a thing. I had my Moab shirt
on earlier in honor of the moab we dropped in Afghanistan.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I thought I still had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
On, but uh, you know that was the mother of
all bombs, and uh, we finally got to drop one
there because something's just been sitting there getting dust. Uh.
And I'm sure this one, the bunker buster, is the
same thing that maybe it just maybe it's coming up
on its best by date and they got to get
rid of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
I think they.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
Dropped one in on isis right. I think they dropped
the fifty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I don't know, I care.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Yeah, they did the Moab in Afghanistan just because Trump
wanted to.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
And then yeah, I think they did the fifty seven too,
and it you know, it found oil.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
You're not yet about you're not worried about precision. When
you just roll it back out of the back of one,
it's like it's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Close enough, right right, dangerous everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
They'll never be a joint direct munition on a on
a warhead.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
You know that's a five killed the time. They just
kind of be like six digits all I need.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
You know, we're going to go forward work too, but
you know, just you know, just give me the first number.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
That's all. We'll find a way to make it happen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Yeah, but good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Well, Hey, we've been on for about an hour day.
We covered a lot of stuff. I really appreciate coming on.
Is there anything we haven't covered you want to let
our listeners of yours know about or just be aware
of or think about. I know you talk every day
and and so that's why I really appreciate you coming on,
because you just talking.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Now stop Unfortunately I do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
That's I've never stopped since I learned how I got nothing.
I appreciate you and and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
I appreciate it, all right, man, no problem. Well hey
stand for a second after, but thank you so much.
Rob will close us out. Thank you for tuning. Everyone.
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Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
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